Someone in my family said that Trump ate a classified document. I refuse to look it up. If it happened, it’s so much less bad than separating families. If it’s not true, he still thinks Mexicans are rapists who can’t be judges, or at least judge him. He is a walking, talking violation of the Constitution; If he’s an eating one too, that’s probably the least of our worries.
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It appears that Ted Cruz’s Senate seat is in play.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-poll-ted-cruz-four-points-ahead-of-beto-orourke-texas-senate/
The INS happily separating families for over 100 years. Occassionally we get around to deporting old guys who might have been NAZI guards based on biased information from the Soviet Union.
@1 Or is CBS trying to fill airtime and make the big bucks on advertising in October. Could be this election really is not animating anyone and is less exciting that the press is making it. And a horse race is always more fun to report than the reality of the incumbent almost always wins.
And destroying a classified document by eating while no recommended is a way to destroy a classified document. Though it is what we tell our spies to do as a last resort. Then pop the tooth, remember destroy the classified then the tooth. Not sure how you would look it up as that information would be classified.
“Corruption” means different things to different people (and why Trump’s diehard supporters don’t care that he’s a criminal):
“Cohen’s admission makes it harder for Republicans to claim that Trump didn’t violate the law. But it doesn’t really matter. For many Republicans, Trump remains uncorrupt—indeed, anticorrupt—because what they fear most isn’t the corruption of American law; it’s the corruption of America’s traditional identity. And in the struggle against that form of corruption … Trump isn’t the problem. He’s the solution.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: “Traditional identity,” of course, means racial purity. Trumpism, at its core, is recycled Nazism. And Trump is building a cult of personality.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/08/trump-manafort-cohen-podcast-corn/
That makes him incredibly dangerous.
Someone in my family said that Trump ate a classified document.
When I think of Trump eating I think of McDonald’s and a burger.
And when I think of document destruction I think of a different burger. Its homonym, actually.
Sandy Berger.
Obama Dines With Man Caught Stealing, Destroying Classified Documents
President Obama hosted “a private dinner with a group of foreign policy experts,” the White House announced last night. Among them: Sandy Berger, who was caught stealing and destroying classified documents that related to President Clinton’s record on terrorism issues.
“Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was sentenced Thursday to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them,” CNN reported in 2005.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/daniel-halper/obama-dines-with-man-caught-stealing-destroying-classified-documents
I do hope the president enjoyed his meal.
@6 False equivalency. A paper airplane is not a Boeing 787, as you and your ilk will find out when Cohen The Canary starts singing to save his own ass. This might be a jumbo jet:
“Buried in the legal documents released Tuesday as part of Cohen’s guilty plea on eight felony counts, there was a new, previously unreported payment Cohen made in 2016 to help Trump: $50,000 for work that prosecutors say Cohen ‘solicited from a technology company during and in connection with the campaign.’ …
“Furthermore, the way that Cohen reported the $50,000 expense to the Trump Organization in January 2017 suggests the money may not have been paid out through traditional financial channels.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/michael-cohen-paid-a-mysterious-tech-company-50000-in-connection-with-trumps-campaign.html
Let me take a guess, and at this point, it’s just a wild guess: Trump hired a Russian company to hack the DNC and/or Hillary’s emails. Like I said, just rabbit intuition; it could be something else entirely. But you can be damn sure it wasn’t a legitimate campaign expense.
Well it was a border dispute…
A pair of Texas militias exchanges gunfire over the placement of a fence.
Interesting. Could it be even the cheerleaders see the scoreboard?
Fox News gets the first interview with a Manafort juror. She describes how she is “very much” a Trump supporter and didn’t want Manafort to be guilty but voted guilty because he is. Voted guilty on all counts including the mistral counts.
Fox wouldn’t have put her on air without screening.
OwOOOga OwOOOga. Abandon ship.
So now we know that 11-12 jurors voted Manafort guilty on all 18 counts. 1 holdout in the mistrial counts.
@9 And she said, “no one’s above the law.” Let’s hope not because that’s exactly the question now before the American people.
Meanwhile, Sarah Fuckface finger-wagged at reporters that the fact Trump hasn’t been charged by prosecutors proves “the President has done nothing wrong.”
What a twit. Screechier than Tomi Lahren.
I was going to say “dumber than Tomi Lahren,” but nobody could be dumber than Lahren. That’s impossible.
Rudy,
“Wake up and indict Hillary!”
(Sad Horns)
45
“Flipping to get a better deal should be illegal”
(Sad Horns)
If Cohen had real dirt on Trump, why accept a deal that involves four years of prison?
“So Michael Cohen does not have information that President Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians beforehand or even after?” CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Davis.
“No, he does not,” replied Davis, a longtime Clinton insider who started representing Cohen earlier this summer.
7,
I doubt Mr. Safety School, Esq. has much to give other than the PornAbortion payment scam, which is why no coop agreement.
Still, the abortions will prove yet another test for ride-or-die Child Molesters. I presume that the Loon (if he yet lives) will reject all of it no matter what evidence there may be. Still, on some level it is bound to sew doubt to learn that the glorious leader of their revolution rawdogged dozens of sticky porn ladies and bought them lots and lots of ‘borshuns.
The GoFundMe for Cohen has made it to $140k in less than 24 hrs.
Pitch in and learn the truth about all the abortions:
https://www.gofundme.com/hqjupj-michael-cohen-truth-fund
@ 15
Pitch in and learn the truth…
Yes, because if there’s anything we can rely upon coming from one of Trump’s lawyers, it’s the unvarnished truth, presented without agenda or self-interest.
16,
Solid gold lock compared to relying on any Roypublican for “unvarnished truth, presented without agenda or self-interest.”
Now cope with the fact that about half of Mr. Safety School, Esq’s crowd funding is coming from mouth breather Roypublican voters like Shortbus.
#youbuiltthat
@ 17
Solid gold lock…
Is that anything like an ‘absolute lock’?
’cause you should ask Pilsner boy about how Hillary’s ‘absolute lock’ on 252 EVs turned out for him. Oh, and for her.
@14
(sad horns)
Russia and Cohen are not the same thing. It is im-ma-terialThey’re not even the same investigation.
Cohen has put an illegal payment from the campaign to pay off a Pornstar to not talk days before the election directly at the feet of DerGropenfurer. He’s given SDNY ample evidence for them to obtain warrants for all kinds of financial records of the candidate and campaign.
Next subpoena will be for records of all transactions made by Donald J. Trump, Donald J. Trump Company, The Trump Foundation including tax returns.
Why take four years? Because they weren’t going to give any better. He was facing 30 years on the Bank Fraud charge.
The investigation contiunes.
(Sad Horns)
Employees at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave furiously editing their resumes, downplaying the last couple years, highlighting their “Personal Interests” and “Philanthropy”
Employees at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave furiously working with The Federalist Society to remake the judiciary.
As of July 12, Trump has successfully appointed 43 judges, including one Supreme Court justice (Neil Gorsuch), 22 appeals court judges and 20 district judges. Dozens of other court nominees are awaiting votes in the Senate, including two more appeals court judges who could be confirmed this week.
Trump has appointed more appeals court judges than any other recent president at same point in tenureWhile a few of Trump’s predecessors going back to Jimmy Carter had also appointed a Supreme Court justice by July 12 of their second year in office, none had appointed close to as many appeals court members – the powerful judges who sit just below the Supreme Court level.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fac.....al-courts/
The legislative agenda may grind to a halt after November but 50 GOP Senators are all Trump needs.
You may thank Harry Reid for that. I sure do.
@21
None of them are ever getting a promotion. Think of it as an Asterix in the record books.
Many lower court Federal Judges will eventually look at their Government Salary and return to private practice because….
They’re never getting a promotion.
18,
If it helps, think of it as the exact opposite of “complete, verifiable, irreversible de-nuclearization”.
19,
It’s actually worse in a bunch of ways.
It isn’t from the campaign. Which people on teh stoopid side of the Orange Event Horizon will tell you is “goood-goood”.
It’s from the trust contrlled by Lil’ Donnie who authorized the payments and signed the checks along with Weiselberg.
I’m just gonna leave that there.
@ 22
Many lower court Federal Judges will eventually look at their Government Salary and return to private practice because….
The vast majority of the nearly one thousand judges who are Artical III appointees don’t get promoted.
I don’t doubt that some of them leave the judiciary. Relative to the total number, though, I wouldn’t say it’s ‘many’.
You can take the House but still watch the judiciary slide further to the right. This is likely, in fact.
@16
“Yes, because if there’s anything we can rely upon coming from one of Trump’s lawyers, it’s the unvarnished truth, presented without agenda or self-interest.”
Oh so, The Hump himself is unlike his Attorneys? You trust the big bizness man more than the others? What next? You believe Putin too? How about Maria Butina?
I think we know all we need to know from Bob or the Dumbfuck Doctor – he puts up a good facade but he know’s what reality is. But it doesn’t keep him from being a cheerleader with Pink Pom Poms.
Yeah, Rah, Rah!
*I think all we need to know from Bob….
Editor isn’t working for me.
25,
That’s good. Taking more players off the board, Dumbfuck.
What? You really think these guys are going to spend two decades outlawing flag burning, licensing public queer beatings, and shoving probes up “cunts”? Is that really what you think goes on in federal court all day? Of course it is. You been grifted again. Guys like Jay Sekulow have purchased private jets off convincing Crazy Uncle Freedumb that your guns, bibles, and “traditional way of life” will all be taken away by “black robed tyrants”.
You’ve taken 43 of your most talented lawyers and consigned them to two decades of civil service salaries with metal desks listening to arguments about mineral rights sales and IP enforcement.
David Pecker should call his lawyer* right quick.
*The lawyer he calls should definitely not be Keith Davidson.
@ 28
You’ve taken 43 of your most talented lawyers and consigned them to two decades of civil service salaries with metal desks listening to arguments about mineral rights sales and IP enforcement.
If that were true then The Federalist Society should be of no concern to your leftist compadres. If that were true then the Democrat party should be cheering the removal of these talented individuals from positions in which they can do damage to the Democrats. Instead the Democrats are in near-lockstep in opposition to the Trump appointments.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-small-right-wing-conspiracy-the-federalist-society
McHillbilly, wouldn’t a talented conservative lawyer know a career trap when (s)he sees it?
If Miguel Estrada was nominated for such a shithole job, why did Democrats work so hard and for so long to deny it to him?
You’re a smart guy, making a loser argument, McHillbilly. You’re better than this.
Duplicate post, sorry.
Something else worth noting in the Trump Trust’s efforts to bury the payments to Mr. Safety School, Esq.
The Porn payment was $130k. But the sum to be reimbursed (after grossing up for tax purposes) was $180k. The plea agreement stipulates that the additional $50k was for a payment Mr. Safety School, Esq. made on behalf of the campaign to an unnamed “tech” company.
I’m going to assume for the time being that either Mr. Safety School, Esq. is in the dark about what that payment was for (otherwise he’d have a coop agreement), or that the purpose of that payment was of little interest to prosecutors. But there are at least two things that make it interesting. First is the question of why the campaign wanted to hide the payment by running it through one of Mr. Safety School, Esq’s fake companies. And second is why the payee is being kept secret by USAO-SDNY.
The two guys with the trust who set up and authorized the payments probably know what it’s about.
@31 Shit happens.
You’re not going to throw Trump out of office because the Senate will never conduct the impeachment trial. Bill Clinton was impeached but not tried by the Senate. The same thing may happen here, but Trump will be in office at least until January 2021, assuming no sudden health issues.
Also, getting Trump out of office means President Pence. Do you guys really want that?
Finally, Hillary Clinton will never be president. You need to finally acknowledge that.
Gee, look who else is ratting out President Scumbag:
“The chairman of the company that publishes the National Enquirer was granted immunity by federal prosecutors … . Chairman David Pecker [gave] prosecutors details about the president’s knowledge of payments Cohen made to women alleging affairs with Trump. … The immunity deal could hold significant consequences for Trump, as Pecker could have as much damaging information about the president as anyone in Trump’s orbit.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/national-enquirer-david-pecker-told-prosecutors-trump-knew-of-cohen-payments-report.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Now wasn’t it me who predicted a while back that everyone around Mango Mugabe, except maybe his immediate family, eventually would turn state’s evidence? Because that’s what happens when loyalty is a one-way street. Even the Mafia treats its underlings better than this gangster does.
@16 That raises an interesting question. If you don’t believe his lawyers, why would you believe their client? Unless, of course, you’re a dumbfuck.
30,
Look at Ellis for a good example.
Appointed by Reagan over thirty years ago. Hasn’t moved since. He’s tried more than a thousand cases. You’ve probably heard of three or four of them. And he’s in a great district. One of the best. One of the career makers with lots of juicy stuff involving lots of top lawyers. So at least he can console himself with that.
You ever wonder why he’s stuck there for thirty years? Because he’s a dick. Always has been. He treats the lawyers who appear before him like shit. And not just the prosecutors. You’re probably dumb enough to think that Manafort’s team were pleased to see him cutting off the OSC guys, curtailing their case, and re-phrasing their questions. But he fucked the def too. Manafort might have stood a half way decent chance of moving for acquittal on the hung counts, arguing that the prosecution had failed to meet their burden. But who the fuck knows, when the prosecution never even got to put on their case?
It’s a good example of why guys like Ellis stay put. Nobody likes them. Not the white shoe guys. Not the U.S. Attorneys. Nobody. And Ellis probably doesn’t care. Like I said, he’s in a good judicial district. Plenty of meat for him to chew on. But guys in the southern district of Iowa might feel a little differently. And if they want to get out they try their damnedest to make everyone like them, not just a bunch of Yalie interns working summers for Leonard Leo
“McHillbilly, wouldn’t a talented conservative lawyer know a career trap when (s)he sees it?”
Probably not. I know of a once talented, disciplined, and brilliant student who pissed his future away to spend his early adulthood digging ingrown hairs out of the grizzled taints of septuagenarians and filling out reams of clinical notes only to max out in his fifties in the low six figures. Dumbfucks gonna dumbfuck I guess.
@19 And now that it’s been absolutely, irrefutably, beyond a scintilla of doubt, proven by his own on-air admission, that Dergropenfuhrer lied about these payoffs, Doctor Dumbfuck is still defending his veracity. It takes a Grade F dumbfuck to do that.
@21 Actually, he’ll need only 34 to remain a lame duck. He might not have them by this time next year. Even Republicans have survival instincts.
@30 “If that were true then The Federalist Society should be of no concern to your leftist compadres.”
I don’t recall posting about it even once in my 14 years on this blog.
34, 39,
impeachment isn’t the end game here. The problem obviously goes way beyond one single dick-pill addict with delusions of grandeur.
The objective is to shame and humiliate the 63 million AM Hate radio programmed meatbags who traded their national allegiance to Russian spies in exchange for reclaiming permission to tell racist jokes.
40,
The list of generously funded “dirty hippie” legal foundations created to counter the Federalist Society:
@34 “Bill Clinton was impeached but not tried by the Senate.”
Why yes, he was, there was a Senate trial and everything, followed by a vote, and he was acquitted by a solid majority (55-45) on the perjury charge and a tie vote (50-50) on the obstruction charge.
You should learn something about process. You might also want to take note that Senators (many of whom are lawyers and former prosecutors) tend to take obstruction quite seriously. That’s a major part of what ultimately bounced Nixon out of office.
Looks like Jeffy Sessions grew a little more spine yesterday. Maybe he smells blood in the water.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/jeff-sessions-pushes-back-against-trump-actions-of-doj-will-not-be-improperly-influenced-by-political-considerations.html
@34
I’ll play….
45 is actually charged with a federal crime. Rs can talk to the media all they want and take the heat from protecting a criminal. 2020? Blue wave 2?
Senate flips (getting likelier with the sleaze in the Oval) 51-50 D. No impeachment is necessary. 45 can keep embarrassing himself and his party on Twitter to his heart’s content. 2020, Blue Wave 2?
Senate midterm ends 50-50, Trump is forced to resign because rational Republicans decide the political fallout of protecting an indicted President is too great. Pence is Pres. There is no tie-breaker vote as no new VP can be confirmed by simple majority. Senate business comes to a halt while Democratic House keeps Republican sleaze in the headlines with Congressional investigations. 2020 Blue Wave 2?
Any of these scenarios that seemed highly unlikely at the beginning of this week could be in play
@45 They’ve certainly become more plausible in the last 48 hours, and this is only the small stuff, the petty charges, the pornstar payoffs and lying about it, and tax evasion and bank fraud stuff.
Wait until we see the personal checks Trump wrote to Russian hackers in the summer of 2016.
“Trump is forced to resign”
I don’t see that one ever. He can’t be “forced”. And he won’t ever choose to do it. He will go after any member of his own party who tries to go against him and he will take down his entire party in the process if he must. They have no choice but to continue to back him and accept whatever consequences come from that backing.
That’s why the point here isn’t to go after PornSweat. The point is to go after the party and voters that put him in the White House.
@47 The funny thing is, Republicans are talking about impeachment a lot, and Democrats not at all. Yesterday, Sarah Fuckface claimed impeachment is “the only message they seem to have going into the midterms,” referring to congressional Democrats, but when Nate Silver’s shop parsed the websites of 811 Democratic candidates for governor or Congress running in primaries where there is no incumbent, they found only 1 who mentioned impeachment. Pelosi has said impeachment is not on the table, and Eric Nadler has said the Democrats “will only pursue impeachment if they think they can get the 67 Senate votes they’d need to remove Trump from office.”
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-are-talking-about-impeachment-way-more-than-democrats/
So why the divergence between what Republicans are saying and Democrats are saying? Why are Republicans obsessed with impeachment, when Democrats are not? Simple. The GOP needs something to motivate their base.
So they’re running on impeachment. Not the economy, tax cuts, bringing back manufacturing jobs, health care, immigrants, or anything else — just “if the Democrats win, they’ll impeach Trump!”
Not really. If the Democrats win control of Congress, or even one house of Congress, they won’t need to impeach Trump. He’ll instantly become a lame duck, and will spend the rest of his term fending off congressional investigations.
@ 43
You might also want to take note that Senators (many of whom are lawyers and former prosecutors) tend to take obstruction quite seriously. That’s a major part of what ultimately bounced Nixon out of office.
What Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit is trying to say is that Republican Senators take obstruction quite seriously, as the makeup of the 93rd Congress would have required about a quarter of them to remove Nixon from office. By mentioning the Senate, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit infers that the threat of guilty votes from his own party was a major reason for Nixon’s resignation.
Democrat Senators, not so much. None of the Democrats serving in the Senate voted to convict Bill Clinton on charges of obstruction. There could have been video of Clinton killing Vince Foster and Dems would have let him walk.
I’d like to thank John Edwards for, first, not wearing a condom, and second, for providing precedent.
Dumbfucks, like Dumbfuck @34 thinks all this is just about impeaching The Hump. Think again dumbfuck!
And yeah Pence is a bigger fuck, but hey what damage could he do that The Hump already hasn’t or has planned, all in the term that would be remaining? Dumbfucks will be dumbfucks!
@34
Aside – Like I’ve been saying, The Hump is not the root of the problem (all be it the racist in charge leading the charge), but Repukes are the problem. Hopefully they’ll all be voted out or in jail.
Let Russia come in and invade this Country or take over as the World’s #1 Superpower – then let’s see the egg on your face! Maria Butina!
Yeah, Rah, Rah!
There’s another possibility that I didn’t raise. The most healthful president in modern history, with his clean living diet and reliance on a solid night’s rest has a debilitating stroke or fatal coronary incident. Tales of his flying into rages are many.
He comes across as someone who is emotionally white knuckling it and his health reports are dubious to say the least.
@49 “There could have been video of Clinton killing Vince Foster and Dems would have let him walk.”
Probably not, but there will always be dumbfucks like you who believe the Clintons killed Vince Foster.
@52 Well, he’s not a brain-damaged cokehead or dry drunk like the last Republican president, who’s still alive, but yeah, any doctor who looks the other way at that lifestyle probably has to work for Trump because no patient with any sense of self-preservation would stay with him.
The hilarious thing about Doctor Dumbfuck’s stupid remark @49 is that Democrats actually police their own, whereas Republicans cover for their wrongdoers. Projecting much, Doc?
It’s getting harder every day for him to come up with more excuses for Republican criminality and corruption. There’s just too much of it.
Hawaii is about to get hit with a Cat 5 storm. Let’s hope for their sake they get a better disaster response than Puerto Ricans did. Lotta brown people there, too, but what they have going for them that P.R. didn’t is a bunch of rich white retirees live there.
@ 52
…his health reports are dubious to say the least.
Please document the number of times this influenced your support for the Democrat nominee in 2016.
Please show your work.
Cz-252, the health of the president is ALWAYS an issue. Always. Even when it isn’t, it is. Hell, in his first term Obama chose to undergo CT virtual colonoscopy so that he wouldn’t have to be sedated for an endoscopic procedure, which would have required him to temporarily turn control of the nation to Biden. Obama was a lot of things, but stupid was not one of them.
The fact that you have not heretofore considered it makes a greater point than the rest of what you have to say.
@ 56
…what they have going for them…
Two US senators.
Military bases:
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam Air Force
Fort Shafter Army
Pohakuloa Training Area Army
Schofield Barracks Army
Wheeler Army Air Field Army
Air Detachment Kaneohe Coast Guard
Marine Corps Base Hawaii Marines
Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station Pacific Navy
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam Navy
NSGA Kunia Navy
Pacific Missile Range Facility Navy
Infrastructure not rated third-world.
Economy not in self-created bankrupcty.
Plenty of pre-positioned relief supplies.
Relative absence of government corruption.
You’re a particularly stupid fuck today, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit. Maybe it’s because you’re not one of those “rich white retirees” we all know you aspire to be.
@57 “Obama was a lot of things, but stupid was not one of them.”
Which makes him smarter than you.
@58 Those are your excuses for throwing 3 1/3 million U.S. citizens in P.R. under the bus? See #59.
A Trump supporter is someone who will spend $90 million on a military parade but not one cent on Puerto Rico infrastructure. Guess we’ll have to get all our medicines from Canada now.
With each passing day it’s looking more and more like the loon’s luck finally ran out. SAD!
TIL Dumbfuck is quite a bit more delusional than I would have thought. Interesting in a creepy, sad sort of way.
Goes to show you there is really no educational ceiling when it comes to these Derp State Witch Hunt™ ! Qanon conspiracy theories. It’s been spliced into the Klownsurvaturd DNA.
Somebody really ought to figure out a way to make money off that… Oh. Right.
Know what else you have to be sensitive to?
Use immunity.
Grant the Republican Presidential Campaign Manager a full pardon and he can no longer invoke the 5th in front of a GJ or anywhere else.
Not even Cheeto Jeezus can pardon coercive civil contempt. Once Manafort gets his pardon he should depart immediately for Moldova.
“Fox News host Neil Cavuto shames Trump for threatening financial crisis to protect his own skin”
“What good is it to fatten your wallet if you’ve lost your soul?”
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/fox-news-host-neil-cavuto-shames-trump-threatening-financial-crisis-protect-skin/
What good is it to fatten your wallet if you’ve lost your soul? Ask Doctor Dumbfuck.
“If President Donald Trump were impeached, ‘the American people would revolt,’ the President’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani said in an interview with Sky News. ‘You’d only impeach him for political reasons, and the American people would revolt against that,’ Giuliani said Thursday. When asked about whether Trump was destined for ‘inevitable’ impeachment, Giuliani replied, ‘Hardly,’ and went on to say things have, in fact, ‘turned very much in the President’s favor.'”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/giuliani-donald-trump-michael-cohen/index.html
Let’s start with terminology. Impeachment and removal are two different things. Rudy appears to have fucked that up right out of the gate. It’s unlikely blood would run in the streets if the House voted Articles of Impeachment against Trump. That didn’t happen when Nixon or Clinton were impeached.
The action then would move to the Senate, where it would take a significant number of Republican votes to get the two-thirds necessary for removal. Rudy is right about one thing: It’s a political process, whose outcome is determined by the political mood of the country. As a practical matter, no president will be removed from office by the Senate unless that’s what a supermajority of the people want.
Nixon had his diehard supporters, fans who stuck with him through thick and thin. They probably didn’t like it when he was forced to resign, but resign he did — because he didn’t have enough Senate votes to save his corrupt ass — and there wasn’t a thing they could do about it, except eat shit.
Trump has his diehard fans, too. Yes, there are people stupid enough to stock with this demagogue no matter how badly he screws over the country — and them. Given his temperament, if he finds himself with his back to the wall, he might not go as quietly as Nixon did; in that case, if he’s impeached by the House and removed by the Senate, a new president will be sworn in, and the Secret Service will remove him from the building — by physical force, if need be.
There might be angry mobs of Trump supporters outside, and he’ll probably do his best to stir them up. Fuck them. If they start breaking things and hurting people, call up the troops, and fire on them if necessary. It’s been done before (usually against strikers; in one case, against veterans). Their right to petition their government with grievances goes only so far. They don’t get to keep an ousted federal official in office by force and violence. It doesn’t work that way.
It’s true that Trump was elected to this office; and those of us who don’t like it, or him, have had to lump it. But election outcomes are not absolutely sacrosanct in any and all circumstances. Even if the people chose you, you can still be kicked out of office for violating the oath of office, neglecting the duties of the office, or misconduct in office. The Constitution provides for that, and it’s sometimes been used in cases of judges and other officials. In Trump’s case, he lost the popular vote by 3 million, so he can’t even say he’s in that office by the will of the people.
If the Congress, in its great wisdom, decides to exercise the constitutional process, and removes him, and Trump’s supporters riot in the streets (as Rudy seems to be encouraging them to do), that’s a police matter. Or a national guard or army matter. As many tanks and machineguns as it takes to restore order and preserve the rule of law. If some of them decide they want to be martyrs for a deplorable cause, that’s their business.
It wouldn’t be the first time in our country’s history. The country — and our system of government — survived that time, too. Oh yeah, one more thing: Fuck you, Rudy. Go fuck yourself.
@64 I’m sure Putin will give him asylum. In appreciation of services rendered.
In the last 24 hours we’ve seen Trump and Giuliani go into full-blown panic mode and bleat (tweet?) dire warnings (threats?) about “impeachment.”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-rudy-giuliani/index.html
They must be reading the polls.
Demorat Pornstar Party Of Death News–Demorats to Women-We Always Believe You, Unless You Accuse Us, Then You Are Lying Sluts #EffYouBitch
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Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Tom Perez on Thursday refused to say whether he believed liberal Sierra Club activist Karen Monahan, who has accused Democratic Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison of physically and emotionally abusing her.
Ellison, the deputy chair of the DNC, has denied Monahan’s allegations but the committee has so far declined to say whether it believes Ellison or his accuser.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/08.....son-video/
Why, if you’re Trump’s lawyer, you should never ever let him testify under oath, subjecting him to punishment for lying.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-alternative-reality-truth_us_5b7f0ae7e4b0348585fec9dc
Because he can’t help himself. He is what he is.
@69 “‘These allegations recently came to light and we are reviewing them. All allegations of domestic abuse are disturbing and should be taken seriously,’ the DNC told NPR in a written statement.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dnc-reviewing-deputy-chair-keith-ellisons-abuse-allegations
Got a problem with that?
Premeditated obstruction of any potential investigation. And they gave him immunity.
As Dumbfuck was fond of saying drip, drip, drip…
SDNY is looking at much much bigger fish.
“Lock him up. Lock him up”
@69
Too damn easy
RNC is still reviewing multiple allegations against Donald J. Trump of sexual misconduct. It’s been over ten years since the first allegation came to light and yet….silence.
“AMI has not paid people to kill damaging stories about Mr. Trump.”
“We have no knowledge of any of this.”
“This is now the second time that you are raising outlandish allegations against my client. You have attempted to perpetuate this false narrative for over a year; a narrative that has been consistently denied by all parties since at least 2011.”
“This matter was asked and answered during the campaign, and anything else could be directed to Michael Cohen.”
“Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly. The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful, and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone.”
“I’ve had conversations with the president about this, There was no knowledge of any payments from the president, and he’s denied all of these allegations.”
“The president strongly, clearly and consistently denied the underlying claims.”
“The president was not aware of the agreement. At least Michael Cohen never told him about the agreement. I can tell you that. He was not aware of any of it.”
Reporter: “Did you know about the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels?”
Trump: “No, no.”
Reporter: “Then why did Michael Cohen make [the payment], if there was no truth to her allegations?”
Trump: “You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen. Michael’s my attorney, and you’ll have to ask Michael.”
Reporter: “Do you know where he got the money to make that payment?”
Trump: “No. I don’t know.”
Etc.
In only seven years CA-50 Child Molester Duncan Hunter and his wife racked up over $37,000 dollars in overdraft fees. Rather than joining a credit union, they decided to steal from their campaign treasury instead.
-$14,000 family vaca in Italy
-$6500 family vaca in Hawaii
-$3700 family vaca in Vegas
-$2500 romantic Mommy and Daddy weekend in Vegas
All that family togetherness and romantic getaways and it wasn’t enough to keep his dick from straying with
-$1,008.72 in campaign funds at the Hyatt Regency Lake Tahoe Resort, Spa and Casino for food, drinks, and three nights lodging during a personal ski trip with “Individual 14”.
“Vigorously denies, fight the political smear, blah, blah, blah.”
Trump won. Everything has changed. Elections have consequences. This is really who they are now.
@76 Prosecute him for theft? Partisan witch hunt!
He’d better hope he doesn’t get Manafort’s Trump-voter juror.
Two words that don’t go together: “honest Republican.”
Kinda like matter meeting antimatter.
“The Manhattan district attorney’s office is looking into possible criminal charges against the Trump Organization in relation to Michael Cohen’s payment to an adult film actress in exchange for her silence during the presidential campaign, The New York Times reported on Thursday.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/24/manhattan-da-considering-criminal-charges-against-trump-organization-report.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Probably not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. After all, corporate crime is a daily occurrence.
“The Treasury and IRS have issued new rules that will block blue states’ attempts to circumvent the new $10,000 cap on state and local tax deductions. …
“New York, New Jersey and Connecticut — among the states with the highest property taxes — had put legislation in place to help taxpayers bypass the limit on the deduction.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/treasury-and-irs-take-aim-at-blue-states-tax-workarounds-in-new-regulation.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This will fuck over Wall Street types and other high earners — people who typically vote Republican. But the GOP won’t win those states anyway, so who needs the Republican voters there? Let ’em give their campaign donations to the Democrats and see if anybody cares.
“White House Blocks Bill That Would Protect Elections”
“A bill that would have significantly bolstered the nation’s defenses against electoral interference has been held up in the Senate at the behest of the White House, which opposed the proposed legislation, according to congressional sources. …
“The Secure Elections Act, introduced by Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., in December 2017 … had widespread support, including from some of the committee’s Republican members, and was expected to come to a full Senate vote in October. …
“[… T]he legislation would grant every state’s top election official security clearance to receive threat information … formalize the practice of information-sharing between the federal government … and states … [a] technical advisory board would establish best practices … the law would mandate … [post-election audits] … [and] incentivize the purchase of voting machines that leave a paper record ….”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/08/23/white-house-blocks-bill-that-would-protect-elections/23508347/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Trump wants Putin, not you, to choose our president, governors, and legislators. He trusts Putin more than he trusts you. To some extent, he has a point; 63 million of us voted for him.
Did you pick up on Trump’s comment about more white farmers in South Africa being murdered? (Which isn’t true; fewer are being murdered.) If you did, you’re probably asking yourself, what does that have to do with anything?
Simple. Same reason he’s harping on Mollie Tibbetts’ murder (white woman killed by a Latino man).
Everyone knows America is demographically trending toward a non-white majority. He’s implying if that happens, there could be genocide against whites in our country.
https://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn%3Fsr
Rep. Duncan Hunter has hit upon an ingenious legal defense against the corruption charges against him: He’s blaming it all on his wife:
“Rep. Duncan D. Hunter seemed to shift any blame onto his wife, Margaret, on Thursday for alleged campaign fund abuses, saying she was the one handling his finances. ‘She was also the campaign manager, so whatever she did that’ll be looked at too, I’m sure,’ the California Republican said on Fox News. ‘But I didn’t do it,’ Hunter said. ‘I didn’t spend any money illegally.'”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/duncan-hunter-wife-margaret-campaign-finances/index.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: That’s Republican loyalty for ya. But she probably knew this about him from day one. Married him anyway. That took either a lot of guts or a lack of brains. You guess which.
Even Doctor Dumbfuck has a wife (or says he does), so you know there are women out there who’ll marry anything.
@20 How do you know this? And why does it matter on this list? Now if they were employees at the Washington State Governors mansion this would be real news, and perhaps important. Just gives the WH Press Secretary something to point at when she needs a go to for fake news.
There is nothing for employees of the administration to worry about, except the possible moment of “You are fired” rampage which the American public looks forward too.
@11 Of course none of this stuff occurred after the man took the oath of office. Arguable he survived the electoral college and was not arrested prior to the oath. So what has he done in office that is impeachable? How is what you wish to happen a thwarting of the will of the people in some 30 plus states. Soon enough there will be another election. Are the bunch of you so afraid the American people will reelect? Or contemplate the full meaning of if it is the President doing it, it is mot illegal. Try to keep in and drones, and the Obama bi laden raid. When congress gives power to the executive office, and the Presidential football. (Bad escargot and no more Paris,)
@13 Maybe Prosecutors should have to prove all charges in court, in a timely manner. Would gum things up, and some bad people would o free, yet defense attorneys would have to en masse insist on both. That would grind our courts here down, and the courts would need more judges, but damn if we citizens are going to pay for that. We certainly do not want to pay for bright and shiney justice.
@22 No one who becomes a US trial court judge has any guaranteed promotion. They do have a job for life if they so choose, impeachment and removal has only happened to like 13 federal judges. Overall it is nice gig if you can get it. And if you a Supreme there is a definite glass ceiling, none have become President, though one former President has sat on the court. they make great music those Supremes and most probably like their coffee black, and their space is protected from pesky protesters who are shunted to the front walk and are fun to watch from inside the building. Can’t you just hear the glasses of RGB and Scalia as they watched those hippie protestors just before they went into the court to hear arguments or read their rulings. Bet they made bets on which hippie or business person in an expensive suit would cry. Probably just a friendly one or two dollar bet. One would have to ask the clerks but they are mum to these hi jinks. Still they keep RGB young and maybe able to make it to when there is a Democrat in the WH again. Had her chance to resign for 8 years, but probably thought Obama would replace her with a Republican light judge.
@26 I think impeachment and removal are bad. Perhaps it would be a good thing if the President has an aneurism, but remains in office until the next election. Certainly the mechanism of replacement would happen in this instance. It might not be too swift and I doubt Democrats would shout too loudly if it progressed slowly for a couple of weeks or so. Even if they were the majority in the house, but it would bring any impeachment to a screeching halt. Showing the process the political process it is, and that as it is now it can just be a political coup.
85,
TIL Roypublican Child Molesters are now okay with a crook being President. Also, they are okay with said crook committing crimes in order to become President.
Trump won. Everything has changed. Elections have consequences.
This is really who they are now.
A local election board, facing national backlash and threats of lawsuits, has backed down from a scheme to close most of a Georgia county’s polling stations, which would have left many of the black residents walking for hours to reach a polling place.
The scheme was proposed by an outside consultant who is a friend of the GOP candidate for governor and has donated to the latter’s campaign.
The candidate, who is white and facing off against a black opponent, currently serves as Georgia’s secretary of state, who runs the state’s elections. Opponents of the scheme saw it as a brazen attempt to suppress the black vote.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/24/us/randolph-county-polling-closures-vote/index.html
@84 “why does it matter”
To keep you busy by giving you something to bleat about.
@85 Did I say impeach him? No, I did not. Within just the last couple days I posted that Pelosi and Nadler are cautioning Democrats against impeaching Trump.
But you’re forgetting something, Shortbus: Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million. The will of the people has already been thwarted by an antiquated electoral system created over 200 years ago for the sole purpose of preserving slavery.
It also may have been thwarted by the interference of a hostile foreign power. That’s under investigation and it’s too soon to draw conclusions one way or the other. But it’s known for sure that such interference occurred, Trump campaign officials and members of his family were parties to it, have tried to cover it up, and Trump himself has lied and changed his story about it.
@86 Prosecutors do have to prove all charges in court, in case you haven’t heard. Except when a defendant chooses to plead guilty, which is strictly the defendant’s choice.
@87 Federal district judges make slightly more than new associates at major law firms. In any given trial, the judge is often the lowest-paid lawyer in the courtroom.
@88 I think impeachment and removal are good in circumstances where it’s not in the public interest for an elected or appointed official to remain in office. These circumstances may include, but aren’t necessarily limited to, violating his/her oath of office, having obtained the office through fraud or subversion, corruption, misuse of the office, abuse of power, or commission of crimes or participation in criminal conspiracies or coverups before or during incumbency.
92,
John McCain’s family announced the senator is “discontinuing medical treatment” for his brain cancer and his wife thanked “everyone who has cared for my husband along this journey.”
@96 I accept the correction. You’re absolutely right. Or whoever wrote that is. Especially the part about “how stupid Shortbus is.” He’s more wrong than I am.
98,
Sorry. It was me who wrote it. I screwed up my tag formatting. The blockquote was just for the part of your comment that I lifted.
And sorry about being so strident. But by now I hope we can all agree that this has become a matter of national security.
No other nation on earth would do what we do. And it makes the United States an overwhelmingly tempting target. By implementing these asinine state laws our national election for the Presidency is reduced to a contest in typically no more than a dozen states, fewer than two dozen media markets, representing less than 20% of the national population.
Every single nominee campaign recognizes this and builds their party apparatus and campaign infrastructure around it. It simply can’t come as any surprise if a foreign adversary government were to recognize it also. Because of this peculiarity of our system we are opened up to a well coordinated effort to “put a finger on the scale” whether legal or not.
Foreign individuals and governments enjoy the very same broad freedom of expression protections described in “Citizen’s United”. They cannot legally coordinate with a campaign. But they can certainly interfere independently. Of course they do. And of course they will continue to do so. Aside from intervening to stop coordination our laws and constitution prohibit us from doing anything else about it. The very least we can do is not make it easier for a nation’s enemies by lowering the bar.
Reducing our Presidential elections to a contest in only a handful of states does precisely that. It creates on open door to the kind of election interference we’ve seen so brazenly demonstrated in recent years. We cannot hope to ever succeed in identifying and countering all of it. Our best hope lies in improving the democratic processes that feed into our elections making the burden to our enemies to costly to be worth it. A truly nationwide Presidential election would do just that.
Once that antiquated and undemocratic system of state laws is dismantled candidates will have to campaign for every single vote in every single state. Regionalism and special interest divisiveness will give way to governance and statesmanship. And foreign adversaries will be discouraged from these attempts to subvert our system and install a puppet executive to serve their interests instead of ours.
This system of “winner-take-all” state laws is not our tradition. It is not part of the Constitution nor The Framer’s original intent. There is no valid reason to cling to it. And the reasons to do away with it are overwhelming. Those reasons have absolutely nothing to do with partisanship or political favoritism. They are a matter of national security. Perhaps now we are finally ready to see that.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/