Hey you-
Yeah, you!
Do you like live and local talk radio?
Then sign this open letter, and let Seattle radio stations know that live and local is worth something to you!
Letter To 710 KIRO
If you like talk radio, sign the letter. Liberals and conservatives agree that live and local talk radio is worth supporting.
All you have to do is sign the letter!
Make it happen, Horse’s Ass readers. Tell the radio brass that you want this kind of programming on the air.
Do it!
Already signed. Hope it helps.
Good luck. Not sure letters like this amount to a hill of beans though…..
Bet you can’t guess which signer is Roger Rabbit!
I can’t give KIRO advice on business decisions. I can only tell me what I want as a listener. Radio executives know that most of their audience is drivers, and people tend to keep their car radios tuned to the same station all the time. So, if you have a show they want to hear, your station will be what they listen to the rest of the time, too. Now that Goldy is gone, my radio is tuned back to 1090 and that’s what I listen to now. If they want me to listen to 710, they’ll have to bring Goldy back — or pick up the Air America franchise.
tell them
Goldy got bitch slapped by the invisible hand. Nothing gonna change that. The fact of the matter is that there is no market for librul shit talk radio.
Hey Goldy, post the “wonk” segment from your last show. That was fucking priceless.
If Huckabee or Paul gets elected president and replaces the progressive income tax with the so-called “FairTax”, i.e., a 40% federal sales tax on all purchases, I wonder if there’ll be exemptions?
I’ll bet there will! Remember how Congress promised to “simplify” the income tax back in the ’80s, but all kinds of special tax breaks have crept back into the code? Well, why won’t the same thing happen to the Sales Tax?
The first thing Congress will exempt is food. Then, senior citizens will lobby to exempt doctor bills and prescription medicines. That will be followed by exemptions for necessities like yachts and private jets. In the end, only the stuff working people buy will be taxed.
Every time Congress “reforms” taxes, the rich people who pay for political campaigns end up paying less, and the peasants pay more.
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@10 Pay your gambling debt, you congealed conglutination of curdled pigeon poo!
Redneck, if I had no other reason to vote for Hillary, I would vote for her just to confiscate your paycheck. I’m a capitalist, and support the concept of private property, but I’ll make an exception for you.
#7 Roger Rabbit says:
What is it poor people buy that rich don’t? Please limit your list to 10 items. I’m assuming you are not spewing wingnut talking points.
10 – A nice deletion would be
[Deleted until he pays his fucking gambling debt – …. ]
roger…your lack of understanding how the economy works is frightening. you think the fair tax would be horrible for poor people? in this country corporations pay the [i believe]highest taxes in the world.all that does is keep me from hiring more people.and it makes automation look really really good. that’s where a lot of the jobs have already gone. unless you have run a company, especially manufacturing with R and D, you don’t have a clue as to how much it costs for even one employee.
and with the fair tax even drug dealers and criminals would be paying taxes. you want to look at a group of people that cost us all way more than they are worth? how about the criminals. they put people in the hospital and often those people can’t pay their bills. they cost us in police time and money, courts, child welfare….the list goes on and on.
and i have noticed that the only people that want higher taxes are the illiterate and the low rent non workers. after all…uncle sam won’t mind if you pay double or triple your tax bill. why drag the rest of us into it? hey bill gates? you are always saying we should be paying more in taxes, right? why don’t you? why don’t you even pay at the rate the rest of us are? stop using all those hidey holes and just pay up.
a flat or fair tax would not punish people for working hard, growing old, or saving their money. how can any of you be against that?
the answer? you are trough feeders…….
@13 – Poor people buy the basic necessities of life with nearly 100% of their income, unlike rich people.
Poor people DON’T buy expensive travel, yachts, and 2nd and 3rd homes.
Plus, lower income people are automatically at a disadvantage with the burden of payroll taxes — an immediate 15% off the top their take home pay. Rich people don’t pay that after a certain cut off.
I hate to break it to all of you, but rich people do pay the vast, vast majority of personal income taxes in the US. Just ask the IRS for its data. If you really, really wanted to “get these rich bastards,” you’d support a flat-rate income tax with no (and I mean no) exemptions. A flat rate tax is the fairest tax of all because it does not discriminate in favor or against the income tax payer. It’s the same sinclg rate, regardless of level of income.
mike….absolutely. and why isn’t this more obvious to our friends here?
if we went to a fair tax the “rich” would pay their share and then some. i thought that’s what everyone here wanted, right? right?
i suspect that most of the screamers and whiners on here are like goldy. they don’t have a real job and so have no idea what real people have to pay. they want handouts. those days are over.
most of these people don’t even seem to realize that we have not even had income tax for that long [it just seems like forever]….but we can thank the dems for it anyway.
@16…Mike…
Then let’s kill all the rich people and take all their money!
Let’s see…who’s “rich?” Why, we’ll use the standards of a Calcutta street begger who makes…nothing! Anyone making more than nothing is richer than the street begger, so kill EVERYONE and TAKE ALL THEIR MONEY!!!
That’s the economic philosophy of the left: class envy and redistribution of wealth. Legalized theft is another term for it.
Make sure enough postage is put on the letter so it actually gets to KIRO…
The Piper
speaking of money…here’s an interesting little factoid for you. if you are a vegan you should only use coins. no paper money. the paper money is coated before printing, with animal “glue”………
this ought to make things interesting.LOL.
17 – A flat tax would have to be in 20 percent range to be revenue neutral so it would be totally unfair to poor and middle income tax payers.
A flat tax would be a tax increase on the poor and middle class (which right wingers love) and a tax cut on the wealthy (which right wingers also love even if they’re not wealthy).
A progressive income tax is the fairest tax. If rich people think their taxes are too high then they shouldn’t support endless wars , pentagon weapon systems boondoggles or egregious ag subsidies for corporate farmers.
Pelletizer said: “Remember how Congress promised to “simplify” the income tax back in the ’80s, but all kinds of special tax breaks have crept back into the code? Well, why won’t the same thing happen to the Sales Tax?”
Yes, amazing how the donkeys kow-towed to their lobbyists and constituents.
Whereas the years with Republican control have been a beacon of transparent policy making and a cleansing of the tax code.
Oh,….. nevermind
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Something lost on the Clueless Idiot and the Minions:
Who are the rich and whom do they vote for?
Democratic majority leader Steny Hoyer’s Maryland district has almost 19K wealthy households with a median income greater than $62K. Where Republican minority whip Roy Blunt’s Missouri district is rural and has only 5.2K wealthy households with a median income of only $33,000.
Friends, comrades. colleagues, Republicans, Repricans, Demicans, Democrats ….
A lot of what I read here about KIRO, free markets, and capitalism, is more rleigion than economics. Seems ot me that lotsa folks here beleive in the great pumpkin free market.
A very large part of modern business has nothing to do with Adams Smith. I do not know a lot abuot KIRO, but at a guess:
1. Bonneville uses KIRO as a source of depreciation. Income matters but possibly less than capital appreciation.
2. Bonneville’s market is NOT Seattle, it is their entire market. This means that even the KIRO inocme may be unimportant in context of how KIRO affects Bonneville’s other sources of income.
Bottom line. Our government gave radio stations like KIRO. licenses in a past era when radio was new, equipment cost large amounts of capital. That license IS the source of Bonneville’s profit.
In the digital era, many more “fequencies” are available. The government ought to change radio into freely broadcast version of the internte. Let KIRO-classic fight it out with
HA in a real free market. My bet is KIRO would lose.
hey “bugs”….now how on earth could i tell it was you ,seattle jew? why the name change?
YLB…that would be 23% and the poor would not pay any taxes at all. now, doesn’t that sound better to YOU already?
28 – I was talking about flat tax proposals not the national sales tax you seem to be so keen on.
Which by the way is also at the end of the day, a tax cut for the rich.
Mike–
Rich people invest capital creating private sector jobs.
You envious LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWNS always seem to look at economics & taxes as a Zero-Sum game….mainly because you are stubborn or stupid. Neither one is good.
Increase the pie Mike—ever thought about that?
Kill rich people’s investment incentive==kill private sector jobs.
Where did you go to college & get your Economics education??
You desperately need a refresher course..or copy of Economics for Dummies.
YLB cleverly states Flat Tax is a tax cut for the rich.
YLB fails to state it is also a tax cut for the poor…by a higher percentage.
Half-truths==LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWNS
@13 Let’s start with company cars, company hunting lodges, and company whores. Do you want 7 more?
@15 You? Hire people? You’re too fucking illiterate to have a job, let alone hiring authority.
Ghost is daydreaming in her trailer again.
It’s like this, ghost. A corporation legally is a “person” separate and distinct from its shareholders. This has many advantages for the shareholders: They can’t be sued for the corporation’s debts or liabilities, their risk is limited to the capital they put up, etc. In return, the corporation is taxed as a separate entity. The taxes paid by corporations are a small price to pay and an excellent investment in return for the vast expenditures made by government to protect their property and promote their interests, not to mention the huge subsidies and contracts corporations get from government. Corporate welfare costs taxpayers 5 times as much as all the welfare paid to poor people put together. And you’re bitching about corporate taxes? I daresay corporations are getting more from government than they’re paying for.
@17 “I hate to break it to all of you, but rich people do pay the vast, vast majority of personal income taxes in the US.”
They also own the vast, vast majority of private property and enjoy the vast, vast majority of income — so why shouldn’t they?
Rich people don’t pay proportionately as much as poor people. Locally, poor people pay 17% of their income in state and local taxes, whereas rich people pay only 4%. A $1.2 million home on Mercer Island does not pay 3 times as much in property taxes as a $400,000 home in Ballard or Beacon Hill; it pays slightly more than twice as much. The 3 hedge fund managers who each made over $1 billion in 2006 paid capital gains tax rates on their income — a lower rate than that paid by their secretaries and janitors.
And then there are the people who pay no U.S. taxes at all by sheltering their income in Caribbean tax-free havens, a practice which has been encouraged and facilitated by the Bush administration. Yet they make their money by owning businesses in the U.S., they vote and enjoy all the other benefits of citizenship, and travel freely in this country. If it were up to me, I’d say to them, if you don’t want to pay taxes to the U.S., fine, but you don’t get to set foot in this country either — and nor will you export a penny of income from this country.
If Republicans had their way, there would be no taxes at all on inheritances, capital gains, dividends, interest, or other income derived from owning property (as opposed to working). Republicans want to put the ENTIRE TAX BURDEN on wage earners. High-income taxpayers already get to shelter many of the perks of luxury living as “business expense” deductions, or by having their companies own the assets and writing them off as business expenses. In many cases, the rich guy doesn’t own the jet, yacht, or hunting lodge in his own name — the corporation owns it. There are a hell of a lot of rich people who fly into Aspen and other playgrounds for “business meetings.” They fly on private jets, stay at luxury hotels, eat the finest food — and all of it is charged to the company and written off as a business expense because they went through the charade of holding a 1-hour sales meeting. Two CEOs who meet for lunch on the deck of a $30 million yacht to discuss a possible merger write off the whole fucking yacht as a “business expense.”
And Lunchbucket Joe? He can’t deduct his cost of commuting to work, even though his boss who helicopters in from Whidbey Island can. He can’t deduct his tools or union dues, paid for out of his own pocket, unless they exceed 2% of his adjusted gross income. He buys his own baloney sandwiches and pays into the office coffee fund out of his own pocket while the boss writes off the $15,000 espresso machine in his office as a “business expense.”
This whole system is bullshit. The rich are making out like robbers. The working class gets fucked. And then wage earners have to listen to the rich bitching about how “overtaxed” they are.
Maybe what we should do is eliminate all taxes and go to a 100% user fee system. You want Iraq’s oil? Then you pony up $2 trillion to pay for the war. Was one of your executives kidnapped in South America? Fine, send in the Marines, but we’ll send you the bill for actual cost. Want us to protect your factory in Singapore and keep the sea routes open so you can ship your products? Okay, but give us $10 billion for an aircraft carrier, plus $2 billion a year for operating expenses. See what I mean?
The rich company owners are the biggest fucking freeloaders on earth.
GOLDY IS TOAST.WITH THAT LETTER HE WILL NEVER SEE THE INSIDE OF A RADIO STATION IN SEATTLE IN HIS LIFE TIME.THANKS FOR THE ADDRESS I WROTE AND TOLD THEM THEY MADE THE RIGHT CALL WHEN THEY CANNED THAT LITTLE PRICK.WONDER WHEN THE FUND RAISER WILL START.
Of course the rich pay more taxes. The top 10% get almost half the income.
And, of course, the official figures don’t count income that doesn’t have to be reported, income the government doesn’t know about, income sheltered offshore, or noncash income in the form of the various company-paid perks the rich get. As I said above, the rich rarely own jets, yachts, hunting lodges, and so forth in their own name — but only the rich company owners get to use them; the workers on the shop floor sure as hell don’t.
” … [M]ost efforts at tax ‘reform’ are really attempts to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy. [A] blatant … example of this was the tax act of 1986. Between 1986 and 1987 the effective tax rate on millionaires fell from 40 percent to 29 percent, and as a result they paid $3.6 billion less in tax. Meanwhile people making from $50,000 to $75,000 … paid $7.6 billion more. Some reform.
“The flat-tax scam is more of the same. Nobody’s sure what the actual flat-tax rate would be, but let’s suppose it was 20 percent. Based on the 1992 returns, if this inane proposal were implemented, taxes on everybody making $200,000-plus will go down and those on everybody else will go up. Malcolm Forbes Jr., one of the richest men in America, was the leading backer of the flat tax during the 1996 presidential campaign. Now do you see why?”
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_139.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Most economists say replacing income and payroll taxes with a revenue-neutral federal sales tax would require a tax rate of 40% or more.
Replacing the income tax with a sales tax would, of course, hugely favor the rich because they spend a far smaller percentage of their income and the income they invest would be untaxed.
@31 Bullshit. See #39.
@28 “YLB…that would be 23%”
That would be Funny Math and here’s how the proponents of the so-called “FairTax” (one of the most grotesquely mis-named scams ever to come down the pike) get away with calling a 30% tax a “23%” tax:
Purchase price: $1.00
Tax: $0.30
Add $0.30 to $1.00 and you get $1.30; this is the Total Price
To figure tax rate, divide $0.30 by $1.30 and you get — eureka! — 23%
By anyone else’s calculation, a tax of $0.30 on a $1.00 purchase is a 30% tax, not a 23% tax.
The fact its proponents have to lie about what the tax rate would be proves even they don’t think this turkey would fly if people knew the truth about it.
@30 “Rich people invest capital creating private sector jobs. You envious LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWNS always seem to look at economics & taxes as a Zero-Sum game….mainly because you are stubborn or stupid. Neither one is good.
Increase the pie Mike—ever thought about that?”
Well, let’s see — since 1970, GDP has grown enormously, and the average worker’s productivity also has grown enormously, but the average worker’s inflation-adjusted increase in wages is exactly zero.
ALL of the economic gains of the last 37 years have gone to the rich.
Since 2001, real wages have fallen 8%, and labor’s share of GDP has fallen from over 60% to under 50%.
I would say Republicans have accomplished the near-impossible: They’ve taken the world’s richest economy and they have indeed turned it into a zero-sum game.
@45 There’s an obvious solution to this problem, though. Since our system coddles Owners and screws Workers, it’s better to be an Owner than a Worker, sooooo … own, don’t work! That’s what I do. I’m an Owner and Investor of Capital, and I do no fucking work whatsoever, and I don’t produce a fucking goddamned thing! I’m making more money now than I ever did from working, and paying half the taxes I used to pay! Personally, I don’t think that’s very fair to Workers, but I didn’t create this fucked up system, I’m just one little rabbit and all I can do is go with the flow.
In any case, America is a free country — no slaves — and we all have the right to choose between being Owners or Workers. What makes sense to me is that everyone will choose to be an Owner and no one will work! When this happens, wealth will soar! And federal revenues will soar, too, if what Saint Ronnie said is true: The more you cut taxes, the more revenue you rake it! According to this theory, when you cut taxes to zero, revenues become infinite. Then everyone will live like Dubai royalty.
So, if you want to help yourself and help America’s economy, stop working! Do nothing, and produce nothing! You will be rich beyond your wildest dreams, and instead of paying taxes, the government will pay YOU in order to increase its revenues!!
This Wingnut Economics Moment was brought to you by Roger Rabbit Research Institute’s Division of Wingnut Sacred Cows.
Where did the trolls go? Stomped into the dirt by a rabbit again, they’re fleeing for their lives! Since there’s no enemy left around here, I’m outta here. Later, traitors.
Right now, ChristmasGhost’s, Piper Scott’s, Mr. Cynical’s , Puddybud’s, and Mark the Racist’s ‘invisible hand’ is running the satellite ‘Phil Henry Show’ on KIRO. And he’s got a supposed faux comedian on trying to convince us that girls think ‘it’s hot’ when he takes a shit.
Bonneville’s brilliant replacement for live local talk. Phil is trying to mimic psycho gay homophobe Michael Savage (Puddy & MTR’s hero) and does a damn fine job appealing to the bottom of the trailer park barrel.
When these frustrated angry over-the-hill white guys bitch incessantly about our cesspool culture, what they’re really whining about (besides the failures which define their lives) is the pure form of their free market views. No wonder self-hatred and passive-aggressive theology run so deep amongst the broken men on the right.
@48 Yawn!
When these frustrated angry self-hating white guys bitch incessantly about our cesspool culture, what they’re really whining about (besides the failures which define their lives) is the unwillingness of society to accept their socialist views. No wonder self-righteous bitterness run so deep amongst the metrosexuals on the left.
@49: Yawn.
When these idiot right wingnuts mention socialism – it shows they are living in the past and have no clue about what needs to be done to fix things in this country – in fact, all they can do is harp on non-existent past hang-ups like “socialism” – when most of Europe has moved on and is beating our tails economically.
The real losers are those who think our health care system is somehow helping our own companies or our country (other than giving the insurance companies and the pharmaceuticals a huge windfall profit they dopn’t deserve) – or those “free market” fools who don’t realize there is no real free market anymore and are willing to ship all our money and jobs off to other countries – in the mname of some “principle” that doesn’t even exist anymore.
Love how your free market subprime loan is about to wreck the bond market and loans in general – stupids.
@49
When these frustrated angry self-hating white guys bitch incessantly about our cesspool culture, what they’re really whining about (besides the failures which define their lives) is the unwillingness of society to accept their socialist views.
Are you really saying that the people who go on the radio and complain about our cesspool culture are predominantly on the left? Really? What planet did you just move here from?
#51 Lee says:
Excellent observation. People on the left never make judgments about people, except if the person they are judging is conservative.
Liberals never speak up about the cesspool culture, unless of course they can blame it on bush.
Liberals seem to enjoy cesspools.
roger @33 and 34……..you really are a piece of work. it seems your reading comprehension skills have a hit a new all time low.
“@15 You? Hire people? You’re too fucking illiterate to have a job, let alone hiring authority.
Ghost is daydreaming in her trailer again. ”
yes…me hire people. actually what i do is review the people that get past the HR people, who usually do a great job of weeding out the “rogers” for me….and then i hire them.
if it makes a wee little man like you, with absolutely nothing going for you [goldy] feel better to imagine your “enemies” living in trailers well, there is nothing anyone can do about that…..but laugh at you.
and your peeved little rant at 34…wow, crazy doesn’t even begin to cover it.
this especially :”The taxes paid by corporations are a small price to pay and an excellent investment in return for the vast expenditures made by government to protect their property and promote their interests, not to mention the huge subsidies and contracts corporations get from government.”
wow…are you serious? first of all….why don’t you tell me, the big bad vice president of a biotech company how the government is protecting my assets? my attorneys would be fascinated by your line of “reasoning”. especially since you ‘claim’ to be an attorney.amusing especially since i know how much we PAY for our patents and how much it costs US to protect them. only loser parasites like you need the government to protect them and their “assets”…assets which in your case seem to amount to a computer and way too much time on your hands. more so now since goldy has been fired.
it’s companies like mine that run the economy you idiot …not the other way around.
and it’s companies like mine that are making the world a better place. if you only knew how many of the things that you take for granted medically and environmentally that came from MY RESEARCH LABS and manufacturing facilities you would really have a conniption.
and, can you explain to me your position that “fate” is what makes people what they are.you seem to think that in this country we have some sort of ‘cast’ system that forbids people that aren’t “born” into money from becoming what ever they want. you talk as if “poor” people are born that way and they can’t do anything about it. you are an idiot.and you couldn’t be farther off base if you tried.
why if that’s the case, that you are just stuck with being a “poor” person and there is nothing you can do about it[and btw, this lib talking point of yours went down in flames with mr.two americas…it didn’t work for him either, you didn’t get the memo?]why should anyone bother to do anything?
i guess that would explain you, wouldn’t it? you and goldy. ….neither of you BOTHER to do anything except bitch.
enviously bitch about what other people have and you don’t and it’s all because neither of you EVER WORK AT ALL.
roger….if there was ever any doubt in my mind that you and goldy are one and the same [or at least are sharing that pea you call a brain] post number 46 settled the question.
you are an idiot.
“In any case, America is a free country — no slaves — and we all have the right to choose between being Owners or Workers.”
wait a sec….i thought that you said that poor people were doomed to be poor? what’s all this free country stuff?
you can’t even keep from contradicting yourself in one thread for god’s sake!
and this pearl:”Since our system coddles Owners and screws Workers, it’s better to be an Owner than a Worker, sooooo … own, don’t work! That’s what I do. I’m an Owner and Investor of Capital, and I do no fucking work whatsoever, and I don’t produce a fucking goddamned thing! I’m making more money now than I ever did from working, and paying half the taxes I used to pay! Personally, I don’t think that’s very fair to Workers, but I didn’t create this fucked up system, I’m just one little rabbit and all I can do is go with the flow.”
yeah..that’s right rog, you didn’t create it but you are more than willing to take advantage of it to make money. but you are still a superior being to those of us who are the MONSTERS that drive the economy. and you wonder why no one, but no one, is listening to the lefties crap anymore?
look…….if i ever thought for a moment that all your big talk about your investments was true[ and i didn’t, BTW] this latest crap from you would cinch the fact that you not only aren’t an investor,you don’t have the slightest insight into how the economy really works and frankly, i don’t think you ever worked hard enough to have two nickels to rub together. your bitterness and envy give you away as one of the LAZY ,envious losers.
the difference between greedy little envious parasites and people that have amounted to something?
hard work…..and lots of it.
and, i have to agree with ME@36…..goldy will never see the inside of a radio station again. or a newspaper office. no one wants to hire an overly opinionated no-real-life-experience big mouth with a bad attitude and a gang of losers that will ‘go after them” when they finally fire him…….
200 signatures will never get him back on the air. 2000 wouldn’t either, all you are doing is sealing his fate.
@17 Politically Incorrect says:
“I hate to break it to all of you, but rich people do pay the vast, vast majority of personal income taxes in the US. Just ask the IRS for its data.”
I have steam come out my ears everytime I hear some wingnut repeat this weasle lie of deception. The rich only pay the majority of Income Tax but not taxes in general. You fail to mention that income tax doesn’t include Payroll tax of 15% on average joes until they make 100k a year then no more tax on payroll. If our govt didn’t steal this money every year to help pay for the huge deficits then you might have a point. Also poor pay sales taxes, fees, gas taxes, etc. Now the rich are getting off relatively easy, whereas average joe is spending 40% of their incomes on TOTAL TAX BURDEN. I seriously doubt Bill Gates is spending that much on his TOTAL TAX BURDEN. So stop acting like the well heeled pay their fair share.