The senate’s judiciary committee just voted seven to one for a bill that would provide legal immunity to those who call medics for someone overdosing on drugs. The bill is designed to encourage folks, who are afraid of getting busted, to call for help instead of abandoning an overdosing person to die. Drug overdoses killed 700 people in Washington in 2006. […] Only state senator Pam Roach (R-31) voted against the bill.
Which is ironic, considering that Roach is also the only state senator on the committee with a child who has been caught on videotape snorting oxycontin, and subsequently convicted on a felony drug offense. Go figure.
It’s obvious: Republican mothers hate their sons. Which isn’t surprising. We already know Republican sons hate (and sometimes beat up) their mothers. What’s next, Republican mothers shooting their children? Stay tuned.
If I were a son of this particular gun-waving Republican mother (thank the Great Mother Rabbit Spirit I’m not!!!), I’d run like hell.
So, who all expects rationality from Roach? Who all expects humanity? Who all expects anything other than rabid xtian judgementalism from somebody who knows the (entire) mind of God? Speak up, now!
So if I’m running a 50 million dollar per year heroine distribution outfit out of my house, and I’m having a bad reaction after shooting up on my own supply, and call for medical help, I can’t be busted for being a heroine dealer under this bill?
I hate to admit it, but I had similar questions as Troll did in # 4. How broad is the grant of immunity? Is it limited to the phone call, or anything observed by police or paramedics during the call, or could it provide a basis for arguing that any subsequent arrests derived from information learned during that call?
On the other hand, it’s better than (a) having the person’s friends abandon him/her while they are in distress, or (b) having them drop them off at the door of the emergency room, without staying around long enough to tell emergency room doctors information they need to know (type of drug, amoung ingested, etc.).
What I don’t get is why this idiot’s constituents keep voting for her. They must be as nuts as she is.
In Pam’s defense, she may have been high at the time.
@4: Dear Moron troll – let me explain. If you are OD’ed on heroin you would not be calling anyone. You would be undergoing respiratory depression and would be out cold. Eventually, you would stop breathing. Without immediate medical help you would die.
The most common example of this is when a heroin addict who has quit takes one more hit at their old dose – and does not realize that they have lost the downregulation (tolerance) to the old dose. This old dose is now deadly. Another time this happens is when an adict is sold some new “stuff” and it is much more potent than the old stuff. In either case, it is accidental. Once the heroin is injected – it is too late to do anything excpet go to the emergency room and get assisted oxygen if there is respiratory depression. In most cases the victim would be “out” – the law is designed so that other people will not leave someone to die for fear of the law.
It makes sense for saving lives. It doesn’t have to be heroin – any drug that has CNS depressive effects would do – there is the case of a teenager (from Washington) left to die becuase her friends were too scared to call the police. She was not on heroin.
Roger @ 1
It is perplexing that Republicans tout themselves as the family values party given that all of their families are dysfunctional. But, what is one more bit of hypocrisy when it comes to Republicans?
@9: the great thing about republicans is that they never can figure out what hypocrites they actually are – they are too busy trying to shift the blame onto the democrats to even do the necessary self-reflection to realize that they ARE hypocritical.
10
I’ve noticed that self-reflection is not a Republican characteristic. On the other hand, if we want to talk about projection and deflection, well, that’s another matter.
4 T
I believe that legislative actions are public record. You could read the fucking bill.
But it IS so Republican to believe that arresting one medium-level trafficker with no guaranteee of trial or conviction is worth 700 lives.
Republicans want other people’s children to die; just not their own.
For those who are interested, here’s the bill (PDF).
I think that took me two minutes, but I was multi-tasking.
4 T
I’ve read the bill, and I think I have an answer for you.
So if I’m running a 50 million dollar per year heroine distribution outfit out of my house, and I’m having a bad reaction after shooting up on my own supply, and call for medical help, I can’t be busted for being a heroine dealer under this bill?
Let’s take this a step at a time.
First, it’s heroin, you dope.
Second, if you were not caught selling, you won’t be arrested, tried of convicted “for being a heroin dealer” under any circumstances.
Third, any heroin found in your house in the course of receiving medical attention can, and will in all likelihood, be seized. While it’s not specified in the bill whether the paramedics may be interviewed and their impressions used to constitute probable cause for a later search warrant, the fact that this goes unmentioned says to me that they can.
Fourth, it looks as though an incident of providing medical care that results in a seizure of heroin under this bill will NOT be allowed to generate a charge of what is commonly referred to as “possession with intent to sell.” However, if you have a major operation going, as I mentioned, they’re sure as hell not blocked from coming back after you. They’ll just need evidence that does not stem from the incident.
@11 “I’ve noticed that self-reflection is not a Republican characteristic.”
Neither is having a sense of humor. Has a troll here ever been funny? Even once? Not since I’ve been around. You got to go all the way back to Reagan to find a Republican with a sense of humor. But speaking of characteristics, are all rabbits as funny as Roger? I’ve got to say, that darned bunny cracks me up!
re 4: Thanks for reminding us all that this is the most likely scenerio.
Idiot.
But that’s analogous to the so-called “ticking time bomb scenario.” IOW, something that either will never happen or will happen so rarely as to make considering it as a serious argument agaisnt the bill is ludicrous.
@7 That’s a “defense”? It sure as hell doesn’t work in court.
@11 No one as shallow minded as your average Republican is capable of self-reflection. If these people look in a mirror and see a fat slob they think it’s a picture on the wallpaper.
@14 I’m not so sure they wouldn’t kill their own kids if they had the chance. Sometimes it seems as though they want to kill us all. For example, back in the ’50s when they were advocating preemptive nuclear attack against the Soviet Union.
@17 Oh, Cynical occasionally makes a weak stab at humor, although I think it’s unintentional most of the time.
For someone like Pammie voting against such a bill is exemplary of the same kind of thinking that led many on the right to smugly proclaim the AIDS epidemic to be “God’s punishment for the wicked”–at least until a few of their own started crawling out of the closet and drawing their last, rattling breath.
17
Trolls can certainly get me rolling on the floor laughing–Puddy, manoftruth, troll, marvie. I find them hilarious at times. Of course, they would not understand why anyone would find them funny, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be grateful for the amusement they sometimes provide us.
@25 Indeed. It would have been more accurate if I’d said that trolls weren’t intentionally funny.
Curiously rhp6033@5 said:
and notice the moronic ones (yes you know who you are) above attack Troll. Goes to prove a libtard will not attack their own. And just think, clueless Don Joe tried this tactic on me.
What tards!
Troll – Te malos insolentesque vexare noli sinere!
proud leftist@25 – I’ll be the first to let you know the first day you are funny. Until then veni didici vici.
BTW one of the kings of loquaciousness you still haven’t answered my question. Butt don’t worry I realize it’s above your pay grade. And don’t ask me to repeat it. You were all over that thread until I posed the question. Then you ran off to other threads.
Hey Puddy, how about we party later. I have a couple of fresh goats right off of the farm. We can invite Troll and Marvie even though they are kind of stupid. (I still have the pictures of the goat mounting Troll. Very funny!)
leadless@29: Wow it’s now 27 sock puppets…
Gotta admit you have a vivid imagination around goats. So after you physically abuse them is it:
broiled, curried, fried, or stew?
I’m sorry Puddy, that was suppose to be a private email. Will you still love me in the morning?
@31 Private email. To you and your HA buddies?
How do you like it…
broiled, curried, fried, or stewed?
Puddy @ 25
My work, commute, and home life don’t let me follow any thread all the way through. I have to just drop by when I get a chance. Hey, man, I suspect you’re not a bad guy. You’re just wrong. You’ll still go to heaven. So will I. I’ll fetch you a beer up there and try to share a kind word.
Proud@33: That’s fine but you don’t address my point in #27. You all attack Troll but rhp agreed with Troll. If you can’t follow a thread then maybe just maybe you shouldn’t comment in it?
Why is that?
Griffey back in Seattle.
Puddy @ 35
I’m back. Griffey being back is something, I hope, we can agree upon. I was getting awfully edgy about the Braves offer. This winter, I gave up my partial season tickets that I’ve had for years because I couldn’t even give them away last season. I suspect Junior will put fans back in their seats this year. He’s older than when we last saw him play, but so are we. We will I expect, as good Seattleites, cut him some slack.
I looked at my son and agreed, time to see a Mariner’s game…
Now about #27… what say you? Do you agree or are you silent…
Puddy,
Honestly, is there something there to which I should respond? I don’t see it. Sorry, man. I’m sorry Piper is no longer around. Of the righties who were once here, he is the only one with whom I’ve shook hands.
Come on Proud Leftist, I asked you why did you all attack Troll@4 and not rhp6033@5 when rhp6033 agreed with troll?
Don’t attack a leftist cuz it’s bad form.
Why are you so dense now?