Um… are they drunk or something? Really…?
Cheers for a South King County woman who beat a convicted child molester with a baseball bat, underscoring the revulsion society feels toward those who hurt children.
But emotions take a back seat to the laws upholding a civil society. The woman faces assault charges. This is appropriate.
Yeah, because nothing upholds civil society more than an unprovoked vigilante beating.
A Pierce County woman welcomed a Level 3 sex offender to her neighborhood by wailing on him with an aluminum baseball bat, authorities said Wednesday.
Tammy Lee Gibson beat William Allen Baldwin badly enough Monday that he was taken to a hospital for treatment of a possibly broken arm, according to court documents.
[…] Sheriff’s spokesman Ed Troyer said the attack occurred shortly after deputies posted fliers in Gibson’s neighborhood announcing that Baldwin had moved there.
What exactly is civil about a society in which the editorial page of the largest and most influential newspaper in the state cheers on vigilante justice? And if Gibson had killed Baldwin (as she’s told the media she would like to do), would the Times cheer on his family after a retaliatory beating? Wouldn’t that appropriately underscore the society’s revulsion toward murder?
I know it’s difficult for the editors of the Times to keep two conflicting thoughts in their head at once, but they’re downright dangerous when they try to get them down on paper. I can understand being empathetic toward Gibson, even genuinely sympathetic… but to cheer her on in the lede of an editorial? That’s simply irresponsible, whatever muddle of self-contradictory justification follows.
However empowered it may make one feel, there is nothing to cheer about vigilante justice; it is a dangerous, dangerous path that can only lead to tragedy, and which can never be confined to one “revulsion” or another. One man’s sex offender is another man’s terrorist, and when left in the hands of the rabble (or the editorialists) rather than the courts, the definition of what constitutes a punishable crime quickly blurs.
UPDATE:
In the comment thread, Richard Pope points out the that the Times’ heroine has a longer criminal record than her victim.
It’s the Dorki Monsonization of the establishment media.
Dorki is an angry white male with a lot of issues. Instead of reason and making the best policy choices, violence is always the answer and once violence is meted out, a cathartic release of anxiety is attained only to build up again because the “issues” have never been dealt with.
This kind of dysfunction lurks behind vigilantism.
Goldy,
Time to stop grinding axes and start promoting Democrats!
AND improved circulation numbers among target demographics!
She-she-sshhaa!!!
Good ole’ American street-justice. I’m OK with this particular situation.
In Four Corners, MT…a 21 year-old robbed a Casino @ 3 PM putting a shotgun to the head of the cashier. One of his many mistakes was at 3PM a huge contingent of construction guys & cowboys were already there drinking. When the robber turned around, 4 guys jumped him, took away the shotgun, dragged his meth-infested ass out into the parking lot, slammed him more than a few times against a pick-up truck. Then one of the law-abiding citizens grabbed a couple rolls of duct-tape…they taped him up like a mummy and dragged him inside the casino making him apologize to the poor clerk.
THEN they called the cops.
He got 25 years. The law-abiding citizens got there pics in the paper…holding an ice cold beer in their right hand, in the left they proudly held a roll of duct tape proclaiming
“This is 4-Corners USA…we take care of our own!”
In Missoula, some other pathetic loser robbed a gas station mini-mart at knifepoint. He then ran outside with the loot and tried to carjack a woman filling up her car. Unfortunately for the robber, a law-abiding citizen filling up next to her saw what was going on. He happened to be washing his windows with a sturdy squeegee at the time and was moved to grab that squeegee with 2 hands and deliver a crushing blow to the skull of the robber.
After the robber healed up from losing a huge hunk of his skull…he got 25 years!
Sex offenders are never rehabilitated Goldy.
Perhaps you are offended because……….
Hey Goldy, perhaps you need to start walking around your neighborhood wearing a football helmet! Squirrely little fellas like you look mighty suspicious!
@4
All the more reason Goldy needs to be spending time promoting candidates that you can’t stand.
Sex offenders are never rehabilitated Goldy.
Yeah they are, what about the Kennedys??? Well nevermind.
Hey Cynical… thanks for helping to prove my point about the dangers of vigilantism. Not the first two examples, in which citizens righteously apprehended offenders during a crime in progress, but your final comment, in which you suggest that I should live in fear from right-wing militia-type wannabes like you.
That’s where this heads. Don’t like somebody’s politics? Suggest he’s a child molester and then encourage others to beat the crap out of him.
Why not just do it yourself. I’m in the phone book. Come and get me.
Fucking coward.
@8:
Got under you skin did he Goldy? Sounds like you need some relief. Calm down and go pull your pud over Ditzy, I mean Darcy.
The Seattle Times editorial board is a BUNCH OF FUCKING MORONS!
First of all, the baseball bat assault of the convicted sex offender took place in PIERCE COUNTY!
The morons on the Seattle Times editorial board have this taking place in SOUTH KING COUNTY.
I think Tammy Lee Gibson, the baseball bat assailant, has a considerably longer criminal history than her victim:
41 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Sumner Municipal 960140101 07-26-1996
42 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Tacoma Municipal D00005458 10-02-1997
43 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Clallam County Dist C00008715 10-24-1995
44 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Fife Municipal C00017749 05-19-2003
45 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Pierce Co District 950038771 10-04-1995
46 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Puyallup Municipal C00040510 08-15-2002
47 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Tacoma Municipal 1071903 11-21-1994
48 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Tacoma Municipal CR0037054 05-01-1998
49 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Tacoma Municipal CR0068470 10-04-2002
50 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Tacoma Municipal D00002610 01-14-1997
51 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Pierce Co District 4Y735008C 01-26-2004
52 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Pierce Co District 6Y0023772 10-16-2006
53 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Tacoma Municipal B00123537 05-06-1998
54 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Sumner Municipal C00010680 07-26-1996
55 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Sumner Municipal C00010681 07-26-1996
56 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Fife Municipal C00017750 05-19-2003
57 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Fife Municipal C00022448 10-07-2005
58 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Puyallup Municipal C00040509 08-15-2002
59 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Puyallup Municipal C00042612 10-04-2007
60 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Puyallup Municipal C00059635 11-30-2007
61 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant King County District C00545039 07-11-2005
62 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Fife Municipal I00037795 05-19-2003
63 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Puyallup Municipal I00085160 10-08-2007
64 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Clallam County Dist I00309009 10-25-1995
65 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Tacoma Municipal IN0062738 01-15-1998
66 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Pierce Co Superior 94-2-02484-7 03-14-1994
67 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Plaintiff Pierce Co Superior 96-2-00219-0 01-16-1996
68 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Pierce Co Superior 99-1-04619-8 10-14-1999
69 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Defendant Pierce Co Superior 08-1-02887-1 06-18-2008
70 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Respondent Pierce Co Superior 99-3-01321-1 05-03-1999
71 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Respondent Pierce Co Superior 03-2-00531-8 03-03-2003
72 Gibson, Tammy Lee
Judgment Debtor Pierce Co Superior 99-9-11493-1 10-28-1999
So according to the Times’ logic, we should be free to vandalize the Times’ headquarters. I mean afterall, newspaper profits are down so that must be society has a contempt towards newspapers right? And to express the societal contempt the best way is to inflict harm upon them.
All white trash.
I think the Seattle Times editorial board may have been taking the same kind of drugs for which Tammy Lee Gibson received a felony conviction for in Pierce County Superior No. 99-1-04619-8. Gibson was arrested on October 13, 1999, pleaded guilty and was sentenced on October 28, 1999, and had to go back to court at least four times after sentencing for violating the conditons of her probation. Gibson still owes money on the financial obligations from this drug case.
HAHAHA Goldy making a comment on responsibility. Now THAT’S rich….
Goldy is such a cunt-boy.
I wonder if he’d feel the same if a sex offender moved in next door to him and his family. Since he’s not even the bread winner in the family, maybe he should have his wife post her feelings about it.
….he’s probably a pervert like the poster @ 1.
Volks @15,
I’m not the Seattle Times editorial board, now am I? If they’re going to lord their solemn credibility over the rest of us, shouldn’t they be held to a higher standard than us lowly bloggers?
They can’t have it both ways.
What a bunch of whacked-out losing Republicans in this thread.
I sure hope these losers stay on the fringe where they belong.
Violence solves all problems to these idiots.
Well if your Liberal court hadn’t determined the death penalty was too much for someone who raped a young girl until she needed corrective surgery, maybe this guy would be on death row!
Now when he gets back out in the real world he will be looking over his damn shoulder, instead of some young girls body.
Bravo!
A gun in the home and a basball bat for the road.
Keep letting these perverts out of jail!
Brave Tammie Lee, he won’t be back in your neighborhood.
Goldy will find any excuse to dismiss perversion and lewd conduct committed on a child.
That is the truly sad side effect of Liberalism.
Truer words were never spoken.
Goldy is about as “soft and tender” as they get.
So I guess it would be ok for sicko sex offender 3’s mom to take a baseball bat to Tammy for assaulting her son? Right?
How about his brother. Louisville Slugger across Tammy’s nose for what she did to his brother? Sounds fair right?
How about taking the baseball bat to Blethen? He is provoking violence in his own way for not firing the editor.
@20 Rick D.
Fuck Yourself.
All you maggots do is “accuse” people (like Goldy) that want to fix our country. “Obama will do this” or “Hillary will do that” crap. I am sick of the lying slimeballs telling me what my candidates are gonna do to scare their brain dead bloodthirsty followers.
There is not one single thing about the GOP that doesn’t make a “real” American want to puke.
@ 21 ~ First, get over your rage little one. Second, tell me how you are a “real” American and I am not.
One more of Goldy’s angry marionettes chiming in. Truly pathetic
@18
Are you then claiming that “violence never solves anything”?
A miscreant with, apparently, a very long record of lawbreaking just committed assault, with battery, and not in self-defense. Certainly a respectable newspaper, like The Seattle Times will — what, you say? Do worse than The Stranger on this issue?
…her arrest for second-degree assault and felony harassment, which threatens her daughter’s well-being more than Baldwin ever did. “I’m in big trouble for this and I’m wondering who is taking care of my daughter right now,” Gibson tearfully told KIRO.
@11
Dang!
@ The the rest of you.
Go outside, it’s a wonderful day. I just got back from a 30 mile bike ride, I have an excuse for being inside (for a few minutes anyway).
@ 25 What makes you think we aren’t outside? just because you have a desktop doesn’t mean we do.
Take your advice and shove it up your modem.
@22
Too damn funny, you whine like a baby – then complain about others calling you on your crap.
Just because you’re scared of the boogyman doesn’t mean everyone else is.
@20: Your quote sounds to me like why people support Republicans even though their policies are hurting them.
Goldy sez–
“Why not just do it yourself. I’m in the phone book. Come and get me.
Fucking coward.”
Sounds like you are challenging me to a physical confrontation. If so, please confirm.
I was saying you remind me of a child molester. Perhaps it’s your PeeWee Herman voice!!
Nothing to do with your politics.
Everything to do with your voice, slightish physique and squeamish ways.
Real as in respecting the “rule of law”, and the constitution.
America = The Constitution
Rick, you should be thanking Goldy for actually letting you know what the Times, PI, and MSM are not telling you. If you only based your opinions on what you heard from ignorant friends, read in the paper, and watched on TV, you might think Republiconvicts are not as destructive to our nation as they truly are. To be fair, the Dems have some serious problems too. Only shining the light on them will change things.
Remember over 1/2 of all Americans polled thought Saddam played a role in the 9-11 attacks.
How could you find that many retards……
Given that we have a sex offender (bad enough) getting the shit beat out of him by a habitual criminal (kudos to the Popemeister once again), would anyone else in here think that this would make a great reality show? Y’know, just strand ’em on a desert island and let them have at it…..
When it comes to hiding the crimes of a sex offender, does the name Foley ring an bells?
@ 29 Yeah, Goldy has one of those intimidating voices doesn’t he? Scratchy, high pitched whines like his just give that “don’t fu&k with me” feel to them….Goldy and Dave Ross should trade bodies so that their voices could match their voices.
Can’t seem to find the RCW on it, but “Mutual Combat” is against the law in the state of Washington. One of the student body presidents at EWU in the mid 90’s got arrested for it.
If Tammy Lee Gibson had caught someone in the act of molesting a child, beating him with a baseball bat would be justified. WTF is wrong with the ST that they cheered her on?
They’ve gone around the bend from conservative land to crazy town. Have they always been this way? I don’t live near Seattle, and rarely read either paper’s websites.
34. michael spews:
“Can’t seem to find the RCW on it, but “Mutual Combat” is against the law in the state of Washington. One of the student body presidents at EWU in the mid 90’s got arrested for it.”
michael–
You must be mighty worried for L’il Goldy to spend time looking for an out for him.
Goldy’s way of fighting is to whine,threaten, pinch & slap and run like the bastard he is….real manly stuff.
It seemed like Goldy was looking for a little action based on his comments.
Just wanted to see if that was true or not.
@36
I guess you’re not a “Law and Order” Republican seeing how you’d be engaging in behavior that’s against the law…
Whether it’s possible for sex offenders to be “rehabilitated” or not, this incident, and the rhetoric vomited up by the participants in this discussion thread, suggests that it might be best for them to be kept in perpetual custody, for their own safety and the protection of their relatives and friends.
The very first time I can remember that the release of a sex offender was in the news, his brother in Lynnwood took him in, because he really didn’t have anyplace else to go. (Perhaps the brother also intended to try to keep an eye on the guy and prevent him from re-offending.) Anyway, within a few days, the brother got his house torched for his trouble.
I this case, it’s pretty obvious that the person who assaulted the guy wasn’t motivated by legitimate concern for her neighbors–she was getting her rocks off fantasizing about being some kind of “avenging angel”. Evidently some of the less intelligent contributors to this discussion are getting their jollies thinking about it.
I’ve got news for you guys. She, and you, are every bit as whacked out as the guy she was wailing on.
Goldy–
About 20 years ago, I was up fishing & hunting with some buddies in N. Idaho just south of Sandpoint. We were eating at a Bar when a guy came running in white as a ghost. He had just witnessed some Seattle idiot in a little Datsun pick-up drive up close to a moose and blow his horn.
The moose was pissed so just for fun he turned around and stomped the Datsun pick-up beyond All recognition. The Seattle long-haired idiot barely escaped with his life. We all drove down the road a couple miles to assess the carnage. The city-slicker was in shock, his truck was about 2 feet tall.
You remind me of that guy Goldy….Seattle city-slicker idiot blowin’ your horn and all. Me…I’m a bit moose-like.
I’d love to talk about this….just you & I.
Name the time & place.
PS–Don’t bring a horn.
Another Republican lie bites the dust. T Boone Pickens (Republican from Swift boat liars) said he would pay out 1 million dollars to anyone who could disprove the swiftboat liars – looks like he really didn’t mean that anyways.
These people with big mouths sure can’t back up what they say – so glad I am through with the party of deception and corruption. Honesty is a novel concept and using any ends to achieve their means is the Rovian way.
Link:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.....s-no-deal/
Go Ross Perot!!!
Um… Never thought I’d be saying that.
http://perotcharts.com/
Ooo… Look at this one! Democrats doing better then Republicans of course.
http://perotcharts.com/categor.....ts/page/4/
@34: And nothing worthwhile ever happened at Eastern ever again, until closeted Senator Jim West tried to make it into a WSU branch campus.
I like Cheney.
Ryan (’01, ’05)
David, wait until you tomorrow’s editorial. You’ll love it.
Another Republican lie bites the dust. T Boone Pickens (Republican from Swift boat liars) said he would pay out 1 million dollars to anyone who could disprove the swiftboat liars – looks like he really didn’t mean that anyways.
Why won’t say what the lies are and what eveidence they have to disprove the lies? Hell, too bad Kerry won’t release his military medical records to the general public like Bush did. Until that happens Pickens is right. Sit and spin.
Cynical @39,
I use words, and you threaten violence. I guess that tells us all we need to know about the strength of our respective arguments, and our ability to communicate them.
I’ve been rhetorically kicking your ass nearly four years now, and events keep proving me right and you wrong. Must be awfully darn frustrating, isn’t it?
Everybody knows my schedule; I’m at Drinking Liberally every Tuesday night. Come on by and take the first swing. You know you won’t old man, because like all bullies, you’re really just a coward at heart.
Not true, around 2000 there was the ASB president that was involved in a drive by shooting.
Like everywhere else Cheney was nicer pre-sprawl, but it’s still a fun little town and you gotta love the hobbit houses.
When I’m over Spokane way I try to leave time to take a ride on the bike trail through Turnbull NWR and to wander around campus. Turnbull is an amazing place.
46. Goldy spews:
Cynical @39,
“I use words, and you threaten violence. I guess that tells us all we need to know about the strength of our respective arguments, and our ability to communicate them.”
Sounds to me like you are using words to encourage violence.
When & where would you like to “privately” discuss this??
About 20 years ago, I was up fishing & hunting with some buddies in N. Idaho just south of Sandpoint.
So sad for Mr. Cynical, Richard Butler has since passed on and lost his ranch in a legal judgment.
Anyhow, I’m surprised that you peeps who are so into the vigilante violence against sex offenders aren’t beating the shit out of your fathers, uncles, cousins, sons, nephews, etc. Because as we know, sex abuse is most likely to occur WITHIN FAMILIES. You boys can talk big about beating up some stranger, but you sure do look the other way to what is happening with your own children, you hypocritical fuckers.
Cynical @48,
That’s not a threat of violence, that’s an acknowledgment that your threats are toothless.
At least I’m not a coward like you, hiding behind a pseudonym. If you were the manly man you pretend to be, you’d come out and openly claim your words, proudly put your name behind them, and let everybody know who you are… and who you associate with.
Well I guess that means we won’t be hearing from Puddy much this week. He’ll either be in the hospital or jail.
I know a story about a stalwart widow who inherited the deed to her daddy’s farm. Oil was discovered and the powers that be in the oil industry offered her millions for the farm.
No way I’m selling daddy’s farm, said she, and she ran the oil millionaires off her land with her daddy’s old double-barrelled shotgun.
The oil millionaires bought the farm next to her and they side drilled for the oil. She couldn’t pay the taxes and lost the farm anyway.
What’s the moral of the story?
Who knows? But the part about the shotgun makes you proud to be a ‘Murkan — don’t it, Mr. Cynical?
Cynical,
Your post at 5 refers to “Four Corners, Montana.” I don’t believe such a place exists. My father is from Montana and I spend as much time there as I can. You are lying through your teeth, you piece of shit. Montana may go for Obama in November. Montana’s governor would be a great VP selection. Both of its US Senators are Democrats. The state house and senate are controlled by Democrats. Cynical, how do you live with yourself?
@1
Another thing that lurks behind vigilantism is silence in the face of demonization, which everyone here (except me), is guilty of.
54 – You’re seem pretty Republican because you are holier than thou, like Craig, Vitter, Foley and the like.
IIRC, you were the one who said you were never going to let us forget about this or that example of Democratic perfidy. It goes without saying that if anyone breaks the law or is hypocritical that they deserve what they get. Your purpose here is defeated right out of the gate.
The theme of this blog is REPUBLICANS SUCK. The experiment with right wing Republican control of three branches of the federal government and a majority of governorships and state legislatures has been a total failure. And we haven’t seen the worst of what’s yet to come.
Feel free to stick around while we make the best of the coming Republican meltdown. It’s not going to be pretty.
okay,
totally off topic, but the Dodgers beat the Angels without getting a single hit. Not a one. 5 times in a hundred years. Wow. Obama will win. Get used to it, my friends.
too bad Kerry won’t release his military medical records to the general public
He did four years ago. You’re a liar.
The illiterate fucks at the fishwrapper can’t even spell “waling” correctly!
@4 “Good ole’ American street-justice. I’m OK with this particular situation.”
You are, huh? Suppose she had waled on the wrong person with the bat? What then? Should people like you be held responsible for vigilante lynchings gone awry? If you help promote vigilantism, and an innocent person gets killed by a mob, should you be one of those hanged for it? I would say yes. If you want to live in a vigilante society, then you must expect to become a vigilante victim yourself.
Republicans never progressed beyond tribal society. Their idea of social order works like this. If someone from another tribe commits an offense against a member of their tribe, they retaliate against the other tribe. Then the other tribe retaliates against them. Then they retaliate back. Then the other tribe retaliates back. And so on. And 2 million years later, both tribes are still a bunch of fucking cavemen living in caves and waling on each other, and the only progress they’ve made in 2 million years is now they wale on each other with aluminum bats instead of sticks and stones. Who wants to live in a society like that? Republicans suck! Their mentality sucks! They’re an unevolved tribal grouping of primitives. Someone should put them in a locked display case in a museum.
Looks like Cyn Cyn peeeeeing in his pants is more fun to watch than I thought. Come on Goldy just out this old bitch and we can all go visit him to discuss this.
hahahahaha
Priceless.
53. proud leftist spews:
Cynical,
“Your post at 5 refers to “Four Corners, Montana.” I don’t believe such a place exists.”
PL–
Just west of Bozeman….the corner of Huffeine/Norris (which go East & West) and JackRabbit and Hwy 191–road to Big Sky/W. Yellowstone.
The Bozeman Hot Springs is right near that corner.
Everyone in this area knows 4 Corners.
Montana is a huge state.
Where does your dad live?
I couldn’t find the term you used, “right-wing militia-type wannabes” in the post you replied to.
I did find the term law-abiding citizen.
Why do you consider law-abiding citizens to be right-wing militia types?
Marvin–
Of course Goldy does.
He is a LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWN…parading as a New Age Progressive.
Plus he makes stuff up….like all KLOWNS do.
Two men were killed in Bellingham for the same reason. This i a dangerous path and the TNT article appeared to encourage it.
The other part of that article that frustrated me was the quote from the police spokesman Troyer who said of Gibson that the woman was hardly a girl scout with an arrest for drugs. Is it the role of the police?