Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah) has an interesting relationship with “the truth.”
On Monday Rep. Cannon told a NASA scientist that he was not entitled to free speech — that apparently, he did not have the right to truthfully testify as to the conclusions of his taxpayer-funded research, if those conclusions contradicted White House policy.
“Free speech is not a simple thing and is subject to and directed by policy.”
Rep. Cannon is essentially defending the scientific equivalent of the Downingstreet Memo, only in this case it was the scientific research that was “being fixed around the policy.”
Well today Rep. Cannon shot yet another sophistical broadside through the notion of an open and informed public debate, vociferously arguing against issuing subpoenas that would command top White House aides to testify under oath as to their role in and knowledge of the controversial U.S. attorney firings.
“Let’s get to the truth. Let’s do it in a deliberate, even-handed manner, not in a stampede that will only serve to trample the truth and unnecessarily provoke a confrontation with the president.”
Because, of course, nothing tramples the truth more than, um… sworn testimony.
No, the only way we’re really ever going to “get to the truth,” according to Rep. Cannon, is to have Karl Rove testify behind closed doors, without a transcript, and not under oath. For if the truth, as Rep. Cannon implies, is not a simple thing, and is subject to and directed by policy — and if that policy is largely directed by Rove himself — then surely, anything Rove says must be the truth.
That is the sort of “deliberate, even-handed manner” in which Republicans have exercised their oversight authority these past six years. And that is why voters handed control of Congress over to Democrats this past November.
“And that is why voters handed control of Congress over to Democrats this past November.”
And we know how popular that new congress is…just below Bush.
http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....id=18#data
I do not remember who, but some sage long ago stated that crossexamination under oath is the finest tool ever devised for ferreting out the truth. Plainly, for Bush’s boys, who could not recognize the truth if it was fucking them in their assholes, crossexamination under oath represents a truly frightening concept.
How can you tell if a Republicon is lying. Their lips are moving.
Democrats are not perfect, but they don’t have to lie about every single issue…..
truthiness, that is the only form of freer speech to be tolerated; as long as the officially sanctioned truthiness comes directly from the White House, and not from any other sources. Then and only then shall all truthiness be known.
What you want truth? You want facts?
You can’t have any of the truth, we don’t want no stinking truth!!!
It is not that the Republicons lie. It is the fact that their whole ideology is based on lies.
Conservative / My Ass
Fiscally Responsible / Yeah Right
Strong on Defense / Checked how our military was doing lately?
Smaller Government / Gimmee a break
Values / Republicon values make real Americans want to puke.
Integrity / Zero integrity anywhere here or abroad.
If you still support the GOP, you are an enemy of America.
Oh, I forgot the treason stuff outing Valerie…..
Ignoring all those pre-9\11 warnings.
Ignoring global warming.
Making the world our enemy.
Lying to start a war.
The list goes on forever.
Go ahead and support these animals.
Traitors.
5 You forgot…
Family Values / Up your ass
“Because, of course, nothing tramples the truth more than, um… sworn testimony.”
You mean like Clintons testimony?
Speaking of lying.
How’s that whole “stopping the war” thingy going for you?
Your democrat party do as they promised yet?
…..or did they lie?
No, wait. Rove made them lie. Right?
Tough break libtards. No one listens to you. Must suck.
I am still waiting for Goldy to write about Larry Corrigan pleading guilty to Attempted Child Molestation.
I notice the stock market responded to the Democrats authorizing subpoenaes by squirting up 160 points today, not too far from a new all-time Dow Jones high! Maybe investors figure GOP incompetence and corruption have been a drag on the economy … ?
Roadkill McGavick, Motherbeater Irons, Richard Pope, and cigaret smoke can all take comfort from knowing Bush is making them look wildly popular! And things are looking up for Clay Bennett and Low Tax Looper, too — the trend is that pretty soon Buse will be even more unpopular than them!
Kevin Carns @8: Let’s review. The Democrats kept their campaign promises; they passed their 100-hour agenda in 84 hours. In just 2 short months, Democratic oversight has resulted in new management at the Pentagon and in Iraq, has begun cleaning up the cesspool of Republican corruption, and is moving our troops out of rat-infested mold palaces into healthier digs. And that’s just for starters.
Oh, and by the way — testimony under oath did squeeze the truth out of Bill Clinton, not to mention Libby, Novak, and Albright. Next up: Miers and Rove.
So this yahoo is out beating his chest and toeing the party line. BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL. He must be up for re-election as president of the Dubya Fan Club. Considering that he’s from Utah, the only state that still has a favorable rating of the chimpster-in-chief (or at least the last one to slip below 50 percent), I’m not surprised.
The best thing to do about these meat popsicles to just let them continue to publicly embarrass themselves, and let it build into the Perfect Storm that drags the Recraplicans into irrelevance for the next 30 years.
Roger,
Here’s why the market was higher today:
“U.S. stocks rallied sharply Wednesday after investors viewed a statement from the Federal Reserve as signaling the central bank’s next move may be a cut in interest rates.”
Higher stock prices aren’t affected by the petty back-and-forth of the Democrats and Republicans. The market is influenced greatly, however, by the actions of the Federal Reserve and the anticipation of those actions.
Sorry, Roger, but you can’t claim the Democrats had anything to do with today’s nice run-up in the market.
TL @ 8
“Tough break libtards. No one listens to you. Must suck.”
I realize you are visiting here briefly from another planet and that catching up on contemporary affairs is not something you really have time to do. Let me just hit an important highlight of the past few months, though, to try to get you up to speed–the election in November. In that election, conservatives were tossed onto the slag heap of history and progressives were given the keys to the kingdom. The voice of conservatives is no longer considered anything but a shrill whining incapable of articulating a full sentence. On the other hand, the whole nation is listening to what the Democrats are saying.
@14 I can claim anything I want. If Republicans can do it, so can I!
For example, Republicans claim Valerie Plame wasn’t a covert agent; that the Swift Boat Liars told the truth about Kerry’s military record; that Bush told the truth about HIS military service; that covering up corruption and smearing Democrats had nothing to do with the U.S. Attorney firings; that global warming doesn’t exist, and burning fossil fuels has nothing to do with it; that Al Gore owns a private jet; that Gregoire stole the election; that we’re winning in Iraq … I could go on and on.
Next to whoppers like those, I’m small-time.
@9 Larry Corrigan — didn’t he work for a Republican? Wasn’t he the campaign treasurer for a Republican candidate? Yes, I believe he did, and was.
Proud Leftist @ 15:
You do realize that TL is Puddybud, right?
@14 FYI, I was responding to this post:
“YO says: hey gbs hows that stock market crash working out for you.good thing you went to mess cooking in the navy thats how you landed that high paying job at burger king.did any one ever tell you that you an idiot. 03/20/2007 at 10:19 pm”
As I responded yesterday — what crash?
GBS
I thought the nonsense sounded kind of familiar. Thanks for the heads-up.
Roger Rabbit said:
“I can claim anything I want. If Republicans can do it, so can I! ”
I was merely pointing out cause and effect, Roger. If the Republicans were claiming the rise in the stock market was due to some off-the-wall event, they’d be wrong, too.
C’mon, Roger: I thought you’d try to be better than the Republicans, for Pete’s sake!
Libertarian @ 14:
“Sorry, Roger, but you can’t claim the Democrats had anything to do with today’s nice run-up in the market.”
By yesteryears standards, this would have been an “OKAY” day. Not great, but sometimes you had to take the good with the bad. I must apologize for I thought you were much older because I thought said you’ve been voting Libertarian for 30 years.
Obviously, that’s not the case so let me take you down memory lane. A long, long time ago back in the 1900’s, well from 1993-2001 there was a great man named William Jefferson Clinton. He was one of our greatest presidents since John F. Kennedy.
His economic polices took the stock market from about 3,200 points to 10,500 when he left office. It was without qualifier the greatest economic expansion in the history of the WORLD!
Those were the days! People were making 20, 40, 50, & 100% profit on IPO’s in just one day! The Dow averaged a 27% gain each year for that 8 year period. Unbelievable! When Bush first came into office I can see why he thought Social Security was “broken and needed fixin’” because SS only returned, quoting Bush verbatim, “a paltry 2% per year on your money.” Nowadays, that rock solid safe return of 2% looks pretty good, I know.
America can get back to the days of sound fiscal policies, but that requires one of two actions. Either people vote Democrat, or Republicans vote Libertarian.
If you’re Republican and you love America, remember, vote Libertarian!
Do your part, Republicans!
Glad to help out, Libertarian. Hey, how many converts have you made to date?
10/14/21
The stock market rose because the Fed announced it’s going to keep on lending out money for less than it costs the government to borrow it.
Oh, c’mon, Libertarian, let Roger have his fun. When the stock market dipped earlier this month, some of our resident Republicans were quick to point at the drop as evidence of how the Democrats were messing up the economy.
We all know that politics has very little to do with short term gains and losses, and that any policies put in place today won’t make any serious changes in anything for several years.
And yes, I’m sure we’ll be talking about Mr. Corrigan for a while. He’s such an easy target. Unfortunately, there are so many of them. The South Florida Sun-Sentinal had this list:
So many right-wingers, so little jail space. This may end up being our generation’s equivalent of the WPA. Building new prisons to hold all those neo-cons.
Democrats – Removing the “neo” from “neo-con”.
Roger Rabbit @ 17
Larry Corrigan claims to be a Republican, just as do the folks that he worked for — Norm Maleng and Mike McKay. Corrigan was the bookkeeper who embezzled over $70,000 from Maleng’s campaign. Mike McKay (former U.S. Attorney from 1989 to 1993 under Bush I) was “campaign treasurer” — legally responsible for verifying contributions, expenses and bank balances, and for filing accurate PDC reports.
Norm Maleng and Mike McKay are responsible for Rick White, the suspended attorney who cannot currently practice law, being recommended as U.S. Attorney for Western Washington. Norm Maleng chairs the current selection committee and Mike McKay serves on it. Dave Reichert was responsible for choosing the selection committee in January 2007.
Just like they were responsible for John McKay (Mike’s younger brother) being appointed as U.S. Attorney for Western Washington back in 2001. Mike McKay originally headed the selection committee in 2001, but stepped down after his brother applied, and Norm Maleng took over the committee. Jennifer Dunn was responsible for choosing the selection committee in January 2001.
Mike McKay was the Bush-Cheney 2000 Campaign Chair in Washington, yet donated money to Christine Gregoire and Ron Sims (either personally or through his law firm) while he was serving in that position. And Democrat Anne Bremner (posing as a Republican) was about to be recommended for the U.S. Attorney position in January 2001. At least until it was exposed that she had donated substantial money to Gary Locke and Jay Inslee in October 2000 (and had never given money to any Republican). John McKay did not apply for the position, until after Bremner was exposed as a Democrat.
John Barelli @ 24
I wouldn’t call Larry Corrigan a right-winger. At least not in the traditional sense. Maybe “neo-con” is a more appropriate label — which means mostly “con” and hardly any traditional “conservative”.
this site is for horses asses…. thank you
I wonder if Rep. Loose Cannon’s constituents know he considers truth to be a relative concept.
@27 Then you should feel right at home here. :)
@21 “Libertarian says: C’mon, Roger: I thought you’d try to be better than the Republicans, for Pete’s sake! 3/21/2007 at 2:44 pm”
I’m a partisan hack and liberal propagandist trained by Goldwater Republicans, and I’ve never pretended to be anything else.
@21 However, I’m not a liar, which DOES make me better than them. Republicans lie about every fucking thing.
@21 (continued) I don’t impersonate Roger Rabbit, either, which also makes me better than them.
@21 (continued) And, not being remunerated for my activities (I do it from a sense of duty and patriotism), I’m not a mercenary either — which also makes me better than them.
In fact, there are many ways in which I am better than Republicans, but it would take an encyclopedia to catalog them all, so I’ll just add one more item and then call it quits:
I’m right and they’re wrong. ?About everything.
@22 Now that Bush has deregulated the banks, you’re lucky to get 1/4 of 1% on your money. That 2% that Social Security earns is looking better every day!
So much for monopoly capitalism.
@24 “We all know that politics has very little to do with short term gains and losses, and that any policies put in place today won’t make any serious changes in anything for several years.”
That’s not true, John. The market reacts to daily news all the time! Many investors are irrational. For example, if the media reports that gasoline inventories have tightened, they think oil companies are gonna rush out and buy a bunch of oil drilling platforms at $5 billion a pop (hell, you can buy an aircraft carrier for that!) from National Oilwell Varco (NOV). So, NOV is up another $2.58 today; and since I own hundreds of shares of NOV, I’m doing quite well on today’s news about tighter gasoline supplies. Of course, Redneck also helps my portfolio every time he dumps my gas into the bottomless tank of his Hummer. Thanks, welsher, I appreciate your business!
@25 Well geez, Richard, Bremner has represented the Police Officers Guild for something like 25 years — you know, a union — so did the local Republicans need someone to draw a map for them before they realized that an attorney representing a bunch of union employees has Democrat sympathies??!
37
I think she calls herself a Republican, and that’s good enough for me. Anyone who would acknowledge being a Republican must be one because who would pretend to be a Republican? I mean, if you’re not a child molester, would you call yourself one? More common are Republicans who refuse to acknowledge their partisan loopiness. Self-loathing Republicans who cannot bear to publicly acknowledge what they are call themselves Libertarians.
Richard Pope at 3:22 PM (the post numbers occasionally change as stuff comes out of the filter)
Ok, I won’t argue that one, as I know some right-wing types that are good folks. Most of them are pretty unhappy with the way they’ve been used by the current folks in the White House, and while some of them still cannot bring themselves to become Democrats, a lot of them are leaving the Republicans, and those that are staying are being much more careful with their votes. Just having an “R” beside the name won’t get their votes any more.
Roger at 4:14 PM
Yes, but there’s no rhyme or reason behind those shifts, and they usually self-correct very quickly, so I tend to discount them. I’ve met a few day traders that think that they can make some sense out of them, but from what I’ve seen, they could do just as well betting on the roulette wheel in Vegas.
Oh, and for those that cannot envision an honest Republican, here is a tidbit from my favorite conservative, Rep. Ron Paul (R – TX)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hLVhgm_glc
While I think he’d make a terrible President, I’ve got to admire this guy’s honesty and integrity.
An honest, consistent conservative that is more concerned with the Constitution than with party loyalty. No wonder the Republican leadership has been trying to kick him out of the party for years.
Are there really any honest politicans. They are all no matter the background liars
@38 “More common are Republicans who refuse to acknowledge their partisan loopiness.”
Yeah, like Roadkill McGavick, whose campaign ads conspicuously omitted mentioning he was a Republican.
hey how did all you righties like big fat als pledge to use less energy.what a fat turd.he wants you to live in a cave while he burns up the energy.dont do as i do do as i say.
hey GBS hows that stock market crash working out for you.ill bet you were a sea lawyer to.your a fucking idiot to boot.
@39 I once listened to a day trader’s spiel. He pulled out his charts and pointed to all the little zigzags and tried to explain how these little lines on pieces of paper can predict what traders will do tomorrow. I believe him — you CAN predict human behavior from a chart. This works on Republicans because they all think alike, and it works on day traders because they all think alike, too. They’re all looking at the same charts and thinking the same things, and that’s what makes “technical analysis” work. When I invest, I try to figure out what the lemmings will do next, and I do the opposite. But I don’t need a chart to tell me to buy oilfield services stocks; all I have to do is look at the traffic and how many people are still driving SUVs. An awful lot of folks want to burn up that gas while it’s still cheap at $3.25 a gallon!
Reichert Calls for McKay’s Reinstatement
According to Mrs. Rabbit, KING 5 News says Rep. Dave Reichert has called on the Bush administration to reinstate fired U.S. Attorney John McKay. Nothing up on KING 5’s web site yet.
@41 Some are less honest than others; some are consistently dishonest; some are downright dishonest; and then you have … Republicans.
@41 (continued) It’s a sliding scale, with Republicans at the far right end of the “dishonesty” scale near the infinity symbol.
@47 damn right
So, Typical Liberal is PuddyBuddy. For completeness sake, that would be DarrellReckesslySucksButtPutty(E)forEugeneF. . ..
YO @ 44:
I don’t know what it is about me, but sometimes I really feel sorry for you. You’re so pathetic calling me a fucking idiot when you write a sentence like this:
“hey GBS hows that stock market crash working out for you.ill bet you were a sea lawyer to.your a fucking idiot to boot.”
Out of the goodness of my heart, I’m going to help you with your grammar, spelling and punctuation to insult me properly just this one time. That way you won’t always look like a dolt.
“Hey, GBS, how’s that stock market crash working out for you? I’ll bet you were a sea lawyer too. You’re a fucking idiot to boot!”
Notice how I start the sentence with a capital letter? Next, I used a comma because in this case, GBS, my name, is a proper noun. Whenever you’re using someone’s name in the middle of a sentence you’ll want to use the commas on both sides of the name.
Whenever you start a sentence with who, what, when, how etc. you’re asking a question, which means you must use a “?” at the end to show you are indeed asking a question.
A single space between the period and the next space is acceptable when using a digital device to type. If you’re using an old fashion typewriter, you’ll wan to double space after the end of a sentence.
Again, capitalize the first letter of a sentence. Also, with the first word “ill” you need an apostrophe to show you are making a contraction word. A contraction is two words formed into one. In this case you’re trying to say “I will” or “I’ll” as it was written.
Oh, man, you were so close to writing a sentence with only one error. Whenever you’re using “too” as in “also” it’s spelled with two “O’s” not one. This is a common mistake as there are three ways to use “to,” “too,” and “two.” When you use the word “too” at the end of a sentence you’re adding a second feature to your thought process, so you’ll want to use a comma before “too.”
Next sentence, same mistakes as the last; single spacing, capitalization, and a new mistake. “Your” is possessive, as in “That is your opinion.” The contraction word rules apply here again because you are trying to express “you are” with “you’re.” Notice how I ended with an exclamation point “!”? That puts emphasis on your statement that I was a “sea lawyer, to boot!” See?
Other than that you did really, really good.
Keep up the good work and please don’t tell people you were in my beloved Navy. I wouldn’t even consider you smart enough to be a Marine let alone a sailor.
Mums the word.
Correction @ 51:
The emphasis was on me being a “fucking idiot” not a “sea lawyer.”
GBS @ 51
You’re too kind. YO should simply be put out of his misery, painlessly, of course. But, I must respect your attempt to heal the lame, despite the impossibility of the endeavor. Sisyphus himself would recoil at the thought of teaching YO to write.
proud leftist says:
“I realize you are visiting here briefly from another planet and that catching up on contemporary affairs is not something you really have time to do. Let me just hit an important highlight of the past few months, though, to try to get you up to speed–the election in November. In that election, conservatives were tossed onto the slag heap of history and progressives were given the keys to the kingdom. The voice of conservatives is no longer considered anything but a shrill whining incapable of articulating a full sentence. On the other hand, the whole nation is listening to what the Democrats are saying. ”
LOL. The whole nation is giving the Democrats a 28% approval rating – worse than Bush.
Unlike you, I’m old enough to vote. I didn’t vote for any Republicans because they weren’t acting like conservatives.
You see, Republicans think for themselves. We don’t vote party line like the Demonrat sheeple do.
I understand. You’re poor, uneducated, and lazy. You need the democrats.
Oh Cannon, oh Cannon, thy shining story
So replete in thy rightous glory
Such intellect, segacity, at warm repose
Oozing from thy growing nose
Petulance, and arrogance, a dullard’s pass
Remove thy head from thy swarthy ass
Looks like the WingNutz™ pretty much took a rain-check on discussing the importance of truth.
‘No, the only way we’re really ever going to “get to the truth,” according to Rep. Cannon, is to have Karl Rove testify behind closed doors, without a transcript, and not under oath.’
How much louder could they possibly have screamed, “Even we think we’re as guilty as sin!”?
Now, the entire scandal goes to court. Every ten-year-old quote about how Clinton had to testify to Starr will now get recycled by liberal blogs and reporters. (Tony SnowJob just had his own editorial read back into his face today!) A savvy prosecutor already has enough evidence to obtain an indictment against the still-sitting Attorney General, and Senators are remarkably unforgiving about hearing lies.
If President Bush had wanted to extend the shelf-life of this scandal, he could not have chosen a better method.