My God was it busy at Drinking Liberally last night. So busy that we had to record the podcast in three separate segments. So busy, that Congressman Jim McDermott was in the house and we didn’t even manage to fit him in. So you’ll just have to settle for Congressman Jay Inslee talking about the Mark Foley scandal, and peace activist Cindy Sheehan living up to Podcasting Liberally’s high journalistic standards, and saying the word "fuck." And oh yeah, we talked about a couple statewide initiatives too.
Joining me in an inebriated, round-robin dialectic were Mollie, Lee, Carl, and Chad. In our first segment Rep. Inslee joined us to discuss the dramatic unraveling of the House Republican leadership in the wake of the Foley scandal. Then Sandeep Kaushik and 43rd LD shoe-in Jamie Pedersen sat down to argue against initiatives 920 and 933, respectively. And finally, Cindy sat down for an enlightenng and informal conversation about her accidental activism, and her new book "Peace Mom: a Mother’s Journey Through Heartache to Activism." And she said the word "fuck."
The show is 01:11:20, and is available here as a 53 MB MP3. Please visit PodcastingLiberally.com for complete archives and RSS feeds.
[Recorded live at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. Special thanks to Confab creators Gavin and Richard for producing the show.
my god…you are so childish. frankly, i expected much more from you. so if someone is CRASS and ignorant enough to say the F word that makes for great journalism and “free speech”?
free speech as it pertains to our constitution wasn’t about showing just how vulgar and stupid you can be…don’t you know that?
i have noticed that most of the people that share your mindset come from families that are fairly recent immigrants to america.
in other words…..they are like rude houseguests that just won’t go away. your family did not fight for our freedoms….but like any good parasite you take atvantage of them anyway……
You should have fit McDermott in . . . absolutely! And then you should have asked him why he, Maxine Waters, Dennis Kucinich and Henry Waxman voted against the Child Safely bill. You miss some mightly big ones, Goldy!
Speaking of “crass and ignorant,” I see that Stefan Dirtdigger of the pathetic little competing blog has been snooping in private sealed divorce files hoping to find marital infidelity by a Democratic campaign worker. Republicans sure take an unhealthy interest in other people’s sex lives, don’t they. I guess that’s because they don’t know how to discuss public issues, in fact they wouldn’t know a public issue if one smacked them in the kisser. (Pun intended.)
I agree with Christmasghost but not for the same reason . . . what’s the big deal about the word “fuck.” It is a trivial event . . . don’t make more of it than it deserves otherwise you trivialize Ms. Sheehan and her visit to the pub.
Well “christmasghost!!!!”-
Fuckity fuck fuck fuck fuck FUCK.
A temporary court commissioner, who lacked authority to do so, gave Stefan Dirtdigger access to the sealed court file. Dirtdigger justifies publishing its contents with this explanation: “I guess I got lucky.” C’mon, Stefan, even Mike? McGavick (“he’s the problem, not the solution”) — dullard that he is — had enough sense to not touch this one with a 10-foot fiberglass insulated pole. It’s tough being a “journalist” when you’re too stupid to find real public issues to write about, ain’t it?
Nah, Rabbit. It is their penchant for voyeurism . . . behaviour between consenting adults or adults and unconsenting children – it matters not to them.
ghost wouldn’t even be here if someone hadn’t fucked someone else … so what in fuck does ghost have against fucking?
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They seem to have a special thing for relationships involving men and little boys.
Rujax: pretty funny!
A recent Roger Rabbit non-scientific poll reveals that 100% of the people who contacted the ACLU seeking free legal representation on sexual freedom (some people would call it sexual license) issues were Republicans. They’re rich, but they’re too fucking cheap to pay for lawyers, so they turn to the liberal defenders of the Constitution hoping for a freebie.
Meanwhile, on the educational front, a recent Roger Rabbit non-scientific survey of wingnut postings on HorsesAss.org reveals that the average wingnut can’t even spell simple worlds like “to” and “be.”
They can’t spell their own fuckity-fuck-fucking names, either. For example, “Yo” is actually a contraction of the word “yahoo” (as in “trailer park yahoo”) and is properly spelled “Y’o.”
Roger,
I don’t care about her not having the sense enough to sleep with a guy that is going to be married that same week….but her being an elected official she should know better and have better character. But the big part of this deal is her payment/loan/bride/slush funding to her lover/lobbyist. That is the issue. That doesn’t seem above board ethically and it put her in a bad spot. I acknowledge that other politicians of both sides make bad choices and get into bed (no pun intended) with lobbyists. However, she’s “my” senator and back then “my” state congresswomen. So I don’t like it.
Also, she seems to be paying a lot of people off…..did Goldy do some posts on that…sorry to busy to search the archive.
ROGER RABBIT POLL
Republicans are obsessed with sex because:
[ ] 1. They aren’t getting any;
[ ] 2. They’re jealous of people who have balls;
[ ] 3. They still don’t understand where storks get babies from;
[ ] 4. All of the above.
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Who the fuck are you? Are you an old troll with a new screen name, or a new troll who’s spouting the same old crap? Where the fuck is your proof of any your statements? How do you know who (if anyone) Cantwell sleeps with? Do you peep in windows? Why are you interested? How the hell is a loan by an office holder to a fellow party activist a “bribe?” I thought a “bribe” is when an office holder TAKES money, not hands out money?? Do you know how to spell “to” and “be” … can you correctly spell your own fucking name? Do you have something against fucking?
14 (continued)
I happen to be in the fucking business. That’s right, God created rabbits for only one purpose: To fuck other rabbits and make more rabbits! I was designed to be a fucking machine!!! Give me 10 female rabbits in heat and I’ll have Green Lake Park overrun with the cutest furry little bunnies you ever saw in just 1 month! Thousands and thousands of cute bunnies!
But the big part of this deal is her payment/loan/bride/slush funding to her lover/lobbyist. That is the issue. That doesn’t seem above board ethically and it put her in a bad spot. I acknowledge that other politicians of both sides make bad choices and get into bed (no pun intended) with lobbyists. However, she’s “my” senator and back then “my” state congresswomen. So I don’t like it.
Also, she seems to be paying a lot of people off…..did Goldy do some posts on that…sorry to busy to search the archive.
Commentby Dengle— 10/4/06@ 9:01 pm
Dangle, post something that’s proven and illegal and quit with the suggestions and allegations. If there’ something there, prove it. Otherwise, butt out.
Actually, R’s aren’t. Lib’s are. They want everyone to know about it right off. Get your “sex badge” and where it proudly.
As for getting some I don’t think that is an R or D or any other letter issue. Some get it some don’t. Roger I hope your wife loves getting it from her lover. Roger is jealous of tranny’s as they have a dick and tits and then he could do more than post on HA. As for babies….aren’t they all supposed to be aborted?
Speaking of which, this guy claims to know something about breeding rabbits. http://tinyurl.com/mm7ue He says:
“You may keep a ratio of one buck to 10 does if you wish. The buck may be bred up to 7 times a week effectively. Sometimes, you can use the buck twice in one day. The most I use a buck is twice a week.”
Sheesh! I don’t know where he gets his rabbits from, but those freeloaders must be laughing at him all the way to the food dish! They must be Republicans. Only lazy Republican rabbits get away with fucking only once a day! If I tried that, I’d be fired! No union rabbit would demean himself in this manner.
Reposting this because I want a response from Goldy!
In the FWIW department, all the members of the Washington House delegation voted for HR 3132 “Children’s Safety Act of 2005?, except for James McDermott, who voted against it:
http://www.govtrack.us/congres.....=h2005-470
The bill passed 371 YES to 52 NO.
Commentby Richard Pope— 10/4/06@ 12:15 pm
Henry Waxman, Dennis Kucinich, Maxine Waters also voted against it. There is something wrong with this bill because these are people who don’t care about how it looks but how it reads.
Pope, you might want to tell the whole story if you want intelligent bloggers to respond.
Not sure you’re the kind of judge I want to see on the bench . . . superficiality may not result in good law.
Goldy, maybe you oughta check out that bill yourself – find out what’s wrong with it.
Commentby skagit— 10/4/06@ 7:26 pm
Wabbit, quit with “fuck” because it sounds childish.
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“Get your ‘sex badge’ and where it proudly.” Commentby Dengle— 10/4/06@ 9:13 pm
Just as I suspected! Dengleberry can’t spell “wear” correctly. He did manage to muddle through “and” and “it,” though, which is more than most wingfucks can do.
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I don’t take orders from you or anybody else. If you don’t like it, write a letter of complaint to my mother.
“As for babies….aren’t they all supposed to be aborted?”
Only when they write “where” when they mean “wear,” and the call themselves “Dengle.”
As for our old friend, the ghoulish associate of White Whine (Chardonnay), let me guess. You think Stephen Colbert really is conservative, right?
I wonder if your mother knows how dumb you sound sometimes.
Seems like Ron Dotzauer is really screwed.
Either the IRS, child support, illegal contributions, gifts etc. etc.
I wonder what each of his 3 wives think about all this new information.
What will stick to Cantwell?
Perhaps nothing. Time will tell.
But Dotzauer is absolutely, 100% screwed!
But I digress … since Drivel @14 brought up the subject of “sense” — a fascinating topic in the context of contemporary American politics — my question is why do Republicans lack sense about everything? I mean, how many times does a demagogue have to lie to you guys before you figure out that you’re being lied to? How does it feel to be a doormat for power-mad sleazebags who don’t give a rap for any of your “cultural issues” and are in it strictly for whatever money they can steal?
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My mother is dead. She was run over by a speeding SUV driven by a Republican on Green Lake Way.
If you’ve got something against fucking, you’re an ingrate! If it weren’t for fucking, you wouldn’t be here.
Although, I can see how someone who hates himself and hates his life might have a grudge against fucking.
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What does Dotzauer’s problems have to do with Cantwell? Besides the shopworn GOP tactic of guilt-by-association. Anything to avoid discussing actual public issues, because Republicans just aren’t very good at running the public’s business.
Well I can play that guilt-by-association game too! Mark Foley is a child molester! Therefore, all Republicans are child molesters, because it takes one to know one. There — see how easy it is to play that game? And fun, too!
Back in the good old days (i.e., six months ago), Republicans went to jail for taking bribes or stealing money. How pedestrian those crimes seem now! Next thing you know, Republicans will be caught committing treason and crimes against humanity.
16 Roger
Glad to see you back, birthing comments like baby bunnies. Only problem is your comments seem not to have any thoughts behind them other than to sprout them on this blog like baby bunnies from an uncontrolled egotistical rabbit parent.
Please comment on topic about Cindy and Jay. You have managed to completely destroy this thread by your off-topic comments and replies apparently only to appease your own self-image.
Tim
Why are you trollfucks so quiet about Stefan’s bad judgment/ethical lapses in publishing the contents of an improperly unsealed court file — and justifying it by saying, “I got lucky?” If you want to question someone’s “character” or “sense,” Stefan’s voyeuristic snooping in the sealed divorce file of someone who isn’t even running for public office is a good place to start.
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“Only problem is your comments seem not to have any thoughts behind them other than to sprout them on this blog like baby bunnies from an uncontrolled egotistical rabbit parent.” Commentby sillyguy— 10/4/06@ 9:36 pm
If this were true, I’d have something in common with you trollfucks. However, my comments in this thread do have serious substance, to wit, what the hell was Stefan Dirtdigger doing asking a court commissioner to unseal Dotzauer’s divorce file? Dotzauer’s divorce is none of his fucking business. Dotzauer doesn’t hold public office and isn’t running for public office, nor is he employed in a government job or in a public policymaking position. He’s nothing but a paid campaign worker. Where is the debate of public issues in all this? Politics is supposed to be a competition of ideas, but Republicans like Stefan don’t offer us any ideas, just sleaze and dirt. Clinton won his war without losing a single American soldier in combat, but all we ever hear from them is that Clinton got a blowjob. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Republicans don’t discuss ideas because they either don’t have any ideas, or because their ideas stink.
So let me get this straight…the cowardly wingers think it’s okay that Foley chestered minors, in violation of federal laws he helped pass, and it’s okay that the GOP leadership was more interested in keeping power than protecting the children of their districts against a pervert predatory ped, but a campaign worker’s divorce is big news? Is this all you fucking dickling, chickenshit, inbred morons got?
No wonder we’re gonna wipe your asses off the map in five weeks.
Terrible thing facts. They get in the way of republican fantasy on a daily basis.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w.....htm?csp=34
You pervs better take care of this or you’ll not only loooooose the House and the Senate but maybe the White House. Wouldn’t surprise me if Baby Bush himself was behind this cover up. That’s something ELSE we can use to throw the coward out of office.
I would hope that there is tight controls at the polls for this electtion. Victory is ours if we keep the repubs from stealing the election. I would hope that once in power that we will push through election reform. Make it mandatory to have ID when voting.
How’s this for an idea? If you’re going to war and sacrificing the lives of young American soldiers, how about attacking the right country, for starters? And how about having a plan to fight and win the war? We now have the nation’s top military leaders telling journalists and anyone else who will listen that the Secretary of Defense doesn’t know what he’s doing. We have White House aides writing memos saying Rumsfeld ought to be fired. And what happens? The political leaders worry more about whether firing him will damage the party in the coming elections than whether he’s screwing up a war. Republicans keep saying Democrats have no ideas. Well here’s an idea: Fire the incompetent son of a bitch, and start listening to your generals, instead of aimlessly throwing away more American lives.
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“Is this all you fucking dickling, chickenshit, inbred morons got?” Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 10/4/06@ 9:46 pm
They don’t even have that much. All Stefan Dirtdigger found was a loan. And the pubbies are spinning it as if nobody in this country ever borrows money.
Gosh…I do see I messed that up. Oh well. Nice to see Roger got his rocks off on it.
Roger, on your post #34 you don’t seem to mention Senator Jefferson and the money in his freezer. Gee isn’t he still a Senator and hasn’t stepped down. I’ll let you be the first to post on this blog that he should, because you care so much.
Now as for Stefan, it would seem he was doing that to follow up on the notion that Maria bribes and pays-off her opponents and others. Should it not been unsealed? I’m not sure, but the hearing on that should make the determination. I do wish that this wasn’t stuff that went on, but since libs have no agenda or really just never talk about it because it is a loser, all we ever hear anymore in politics is smut.
“Plexi-Plastic Babble he’s your special friend.
He sees you every night.
Well, he calls himself protection, but you know it’s no game,
You’re never out of his siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhht!!!!
1984, knocking on your door. Will you let it in?
Will you let it run your life?”
from the song “1984”, circa early ’80’s by a great but nearly forgotten band:
SPIRIT
Another one of their tunes that always reminds me of Rethugs is: “Fresh Garbage”
Good time last night at M Ale. Learned some things, impressed again with
Ms Sheehan, great to see Inslee. Pleasantly surprised at the mellow vibes of
Drinking Liberally.
Jim and Gordon’s mom.
Stefan’s file-snooping proves he doesn’t give a rap about public issues, he’s simply part of the sleazy win-by-any-means Republican cabal of mudslingers.
37 Roger
Why are you so upset that Marie’s divorce record was opened…In politics over the last 40 years, everyone’s private life is totally open to scrutiny. The first thing that happens when a person declares they are running for office is the opposition hires every private lawyer they can to dig in the person’s past history to find any dirt that can be used to take that person out of the running. That process happens on both sides of the aisle. The MSM press even goes so far as advertising for leads in whom they oppose.
What Stephan did was totally within the limits of the law. The records were open until Marie found out what was going on and had a Judge on her side close them again.
‘but Republicans like Stefan don’t offer us any ideas, just sleaze and dirt’ In light of the Democrats ‘exfolyating’ the ‘bark’ of the Republicans you comment does not make any sense (even thought Foley was absolutely wrong and the Republicans who knew about it should be held accountable. But that is a different subject.)
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“Roger, on your post #34 you don’t seem to mention Senator Jefferson and the money in his freezer.” Commentby Dengle— 10/4/06@ 9:55 pm
You must be new here, because I have previously posted on this topic numerous times.
First of all, Jefferson is a Representative, not a Senator, you ignorant fuck.
Secondly, he stashed the money in the refrigerator, not the freezer. This was cool cash, not cold cash.
Thirdly, Democrats don’t have the power to kick him out of the House, because they don’t run the House — Republicans do. And if the Republicans running the House have a problem with a refrigerator full of cash, they do have the power to kick him out of the House. The fact they haven’t done so, even though Jefferson is a Democrat, suggests they have their own reasons for not wanting to establish this precedent.
Fourth, the Democrats did what they could to sanction Jefferson, namely, they stripped him of his committee assignments. Republicans, by contrast, do not discipline their corrupt or criminal members — they cover up the corruption and crimes.
Fifth, I have repeatedly made it clear what my position is on corrupt Democratic politicians: The party should not tolerate them, and they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Do you have a problem with that?
Why would I mention Rep. Jefferson’s misdeeds in #34, when (a) it’s not the topic of discussion, and (b) I’ve already posted on it numerous times?
Dengleballs @ 43:
Jefferson has not been convicted, I know, that damn innocent until proven guilty thing just keeps getting in the way.
By they way, Jefferson is a Congressman and not a Senator. Just thought you might like to know. If you would think, read and formulate response, you would have known that.
Funny how that works.
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“… everyone’s private life is totally open to scrutiny …” Commentby sillyguy— 10/4/06@ 10:05 pm
That’s precisely the problem, and why on earth would I (or any sensible person) respond to the problem by voting for the people who are creating the problem?
Let’s recap: Democrats are the people who want to protect our privacy. Republicans are the people who want to live in a police state where the government has the right to listen to our phone conversations, read our mail, arrest people with charges, and jail people with trial.
erratum
should read “without trial”
Hey, maybe we could have Hastert, Foley, the pages and Jefferson all tortured to get the truth?
All in favor?
Hey sillyguy, have you gotten your constitutional amendment to require revotes in close elections off the ground yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....hopter.JPG
Oh, great…now the cat’s out of the bag about another winger in Congress who likes to talk dirty on the Intergnatz with young boys while he’s supposed to be doing the Noble Work of Government, so the Grand Old Perverts have one of their two-bit bloggers illegally obtaining court records and they’re sending some new tranny-chaser trollfuck here to entertain us.
Meanwhile, people are being maimed and killed on our tab and without our consent, by the self-proclaimed proponents of the “culture of life”.
It just keeps getting more and more surreal.
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sounds good
I’m against torturing innocent people, though. But Republicans don’t seem to be bothered by that.
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I have a feeling it will all seem less surreal the day after election day. There are growing signs everywhere that even Republican voters are disgusted and fed up with the cartoon government brought to us by the GOP over the last 5 1/2 years.
I’m against torturing innocent people, though. But Republicans don’t seem to be bothered by that.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 10/4/06@ 10:16 pm
You got that right. Repubs are all about torture. How dare we lock those people up without a trial.
When they seized Foley’s computer I’ll bet everyone was wearing protective rubber gloves. Somehow, a freezer full of cold cash repels me less than a gay Republican congressman’s splooge encrusted computer screen and sticky keyboard.
Think about it. Think about what Hastert and Co. were covering up.
62 Roger
I did say that ‘private’ lawyers are hired by the opposition on both sides for anyone running for office. Anyone finding and publishing ‘dirt’ on the opposition first wins the election. So that is not government meddling as you tried to imply but merely how folks try to influence the public opinion.
“That’s precisely the problem, and why on earth would I (or any sensible person) respond to the problem by voting for the people who are creating the problem?” Good question – both sides are guilty because it is part of politics….For whom should you vote? It should depend upon what the candidate presents as their platform and how little dirt is presented.
There was a movie published in 1939. ‘Mr Smith Goes to Washington which exactly portrays the problems with politics today on both sides of the aisle.
An interesting quote from Wikipedia about the movie is: ”
When it was first released, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington was attacked as an anti-American pro-Communist film for its portrayal of corruption in the American government.
The film was banned in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Francist Spain. Dubbing was used to alter the message of the film to conform with official ideology, according to Capra.
In 1942, when a ban on American films was imposed in German-occupied France, the title theaters chose Mr. Smith Goes to Washington for their last movie before the ban went into effect. One Paris theater owner reportedly screened the film nonstop for thirty days prior to the ban.”
The corruption portrayed in the movie then still has not changed to this day on either side of the aisle.
A bit off topic, but what the hell:
If this is sad, and it is:
SCRANTON, Pa. – Rep. Don Sherwood, a Republican fighting for re-election in northeastern Pennsylvania, says in a TV ad that he is “truly sorry†for cheating on his wife but denies ever abusing the woman he had the affair with.
Why, oh why, am I laughing so hard?
Funny how that works.
60 “Think about it. Think about what Hastert and Co. were covering up.”
You got it, Lucy! Anyone out there into a little fun with Photoshop? I have this mental picture of the Capitol building with a giant condom stretched over the dome.
http://www.passionateamerica.com/
Looks like ABC may have jumped the gun on Foley. Nicely laid out! Even the alumni guy said this:
I have just spoke by email to Matthew Loraditch and he says that, “what was on the palmbeach post site was pretty much all of it.”
Here are some of the things Matthew had to say:
“Firstly, as to the ABC “Warned” story, while I may have inadvertently used the word, “warned,” in communication, I can assure you it was not intended. The fact of the matter is in an informal situation a supervisor mentioned that Foley was a bit odd or flaky and did not connote by tone or otherwise that he should be avoided.
“Secondly as to talking out in general, . . . I don’t think anyone can argue that protecting kids, pages, or whomever from sexual predators is anything but the most important of this whole saga. Nothing comes in front of the safety of the page program, not the page program, a member of congress, no one.
“Thirdly, I have stressed several key points in my contact with media that all situations with Mr. Foley occurred after we had finished our service as pages. That if anything had happed while we were in Washington, it would have been dealt with. That I have full faith and trust that any of the supervisors and staff we worked with would have properly dealt with any situation like the current one. That the page program is one of the most wonderful and educational experiences a youth can have.
“Fourthly, although not all of you know people who have had these horrible conversation with Foley, I do. And frankly that gives me all the more reason to speak out. . . .
“Finally, if i have hurt or offended anyone, I am sorry. And I love my page friends and I cherish my relationships with the page program staff, however fracture some of this may have made them. I want you all to know that I truly believe that I’m doing the best that I can do.”
Yet you go to go.abcnews.com no mention of any of these new revelations!
This is why I am KING of Internet Searches!
” Also, she seems to be paying a lot of people off…..did Goldy do some posts on that…sorry to busy to search the archive. ”
You know the funny thing about you righties. You don’t have a hypocrite meter. It is amazing how you won’t let it go. You want to attack Maria because she loaned a friend of hers some money, but you refuse to look at the crimes, and dishonesty of the Bush Regime. I have a Republican friend, and a few months ago he asked me point blank “what has Bush lied about”? I just started laughing and shook my head. I didn’t have all afternoon to go down the list. Lying to congress is a crime, and Bush lied to congress repeatedly. When the rest of the investigation about the lies told in the runup to the war is made public, even the most “patriotic” of the knuckledragging, mouth breathing, cave dwelling, wingnuts will have to admit they were lied to. Half of em still believe Saddam was helping Al Queda even when it has been determined by a bi-partisan committee he was definitely an enemy of Al Queda.
As far as Maria Cantwell is concerned. I have been reading the posts of you wingnuts for months. Maria Cantwell must be the cleanest, most ethical Senator in America, if this is all you have.
There is no amount of proof that will make a drop dead Republican vote for a Democrat. You freaks would vote Republican, if they took your job, health care, house, car, and sent your children to war just for more political power. Just don’t call yourselves Americans, because “real” Americans pay attention to the world around them, and vote accordingly.
One thing is for sure. If you lived in Germany a few years ago, you would have made “good” NAZIS. Heil Bush!
All your Republican tools can do is attack opponents. It is the only way to get your worshipers to not look into the reasons you vote against their best interest 100% of the time. Unless of course your “tools” are billionares. Then they understand you are on their side.
You wingnut freaks got it so bad, Fox news is showing Foley as a democrat, and saying Monica was only 19. Deflect, and lie. Deflect and lie. All the GOP, and their partners in crime can do these days. With 200,000,000 Americans (and 5 Billion others) understanding they are completely dishonest from top to bottom their “retard rule” days are soon to be over. America can return to the people, and the Jesus Freaks, Warmongerers, and Corporate Pawns in congress now can go into lobbying, and try to corrupt the system, and hurt our country more……
Is there anything Bush could have done to hurt America, more than he has?
6 RR
It’s not that Mike! “wouldn’t touch” trumped-up dirt on Maria C. It’s straight out of the Rove playbook to have proxies fling the crap while the candidate stays nobly and blissfully “above” the fray.
Now that we know the GOP leadership has been covering up this Foley thing for three years, shouldn’t we try to get them prosecuted? The righties are all over the place saying who knew and when. We’ll punks…you knew – three years ago. Now what fuckheads?
19 Dengle
“her payment/loan/bride/slush funding to her lover/lobbyist”
“Roger is jealous of tranny’s as they have a dick and tits and then he could do more than post on HA. As for babies….aren’t they all supposed to be aborted?”
Ah, taking the fact-free low road. Why do I think “Republican?”
47 silyguy
You labor under a number of misapprehensions. One: You seem to think that Maria Cantwell’s first name is Marie. Two: you seem to think she was divorced at some time. Neither is correct. Saying them makes you sound ill-informed or stupid.
But hey, Mike! McGavick was divorced. Why don’t we open up HIS records?
“[Foley’s] in rehab, which means it only happened because he was drinking. We’ve all done it folks—‘drunk dialing.’ It’s just that in Foley’s case, it was ‘drunk texting erotic messages to underage pages about masturbation.’ … It’s simple. You drink, you forget things—especially things that could endanger minors. And I know people are wondering why Condoleezza Rice can’t remember a July 2001 meeting with George Tenet where he warned her an al Qaeda attack was likely, even though White House records prove the meeting happened. She probably just blacked out. She was playing a drinking game. Every time you hear George Tenet say ‘imminent,’ you take a shot.”
—Stephen Colbert
6 RR
It’s not that Mike! “wouldn’t touch” trumped-up dirt on Maria C. It’s straight out of the Rove playbook to have proxies fling the crap while the candidate stays nobly and blissfully “above” the fray.
Commentby Daddy Love— 10/5/06@ 6:07 am
Dead right. Swiftboat away!!!
Just remember, when Kerry was risking his life defending his country (I wouldn’t want to be on a swiftboat) Bush was hiding in the Guard stateside…..
Oh, maybe he wasn’t. He had someone shred his files….
Amazing how the wingnuts attack war heroes, and defend deserters. Only in right wing world.
Your bizarro world is almost over, and the rule of law, and the rights of the people are about to return to our great land. So righties, go molest someones kids, leave running the country to us……
” US military spokesperson told reporters that attacks by car bombs and roadside booby traps are running at an all-time high, three-and-a-half years after US-led forces overthrew Saddam Hussein. US casualties are also mounting. Four more soldiers were killed on Wednesday in south-west Baghdad when their unit was attacked by gunfire and mortars. ”
———–
Had enough retard rule yet?
Is Bush the only president in history to be losing 3 wars at the same time? Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on terror.
Supporting this Bush freak would make you an enemy of America.
67 Puddybud
No, the breaking news is here:
trying again for the link
67 Puddybud
No, the breaking news is here:
What happened to the Democratic plot?
Im watching a piece on CNN where they compalin about Patty Wetterling’s (sp?) ad and how saying “molestation” might be too strong an assertion based on the evidence thus far.
That may be true, but are they going to parse every Republican and Democratic ad, or the outside group “attack ads” like the lies about Darcy Burner? Are they even going to look at Wetterling’s opponent’s ads and give us a report card on his/her veracity? I’m kinda guessing not.
It’s the selectivity that I wonder about and object to.
Now that we know the GOP leadership has been covering up this Foley thing for three years, shouldn’t we try to get them prosecuted? The righties are all over the place saying who knew and when. We’ll punks…you knew – three years ago. Now what fuckheads? Commentby LauraBushKilledAGuy— 10/5/06@ 6:09 am
Left Turd Laura: Puddy posted http://www.passionateamerica.com – From the web site the Democratic Underground is attacking him. Why? Maybe the page whom he identifies was 18? If Foley is going after ex-pages and they are 18 is there a crime? Yeah, Foley is Gay! Where are the compassionate moonbats who support gayness?
MWS
Good source. You should jump right on that waogon. After all, what could go wrong?
This is interesting about moonbats hating a gay man:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot......t-was.html
And it looks like someone altered some of Foley’s emails. Now if that’s true Dan Rathergate?
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Where does that guy get off outing a page?
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Democrats said that Mark Foley is gay? Well, um, he kinda is, isn’t he? So they told the truth.
And if he is trying to pass anti-gay legislation, wouldn’t you say that makes him a hypocirite? I would.
Nothing to see here. Just sp[in, spin, spin.
Good luck. More shit is going to come out every day to sink the House leaders. And this mess was originally leaked by a Republicsn. Your conspiracy theories are bunk.
Daddy Love: I am not excusing what Foley did. What is curious is
1.) Was the guy 18 when he received the messages
2.) Looks like someone altered some of Foley’s emails and text IMs. If so the FBI will investigate it
3.) ABC News said they were pages in Congress when it happened. Now Mark Loraditch said the messages started after they left.
4.) If they happened after they left (see #3) what part does Dennis Hastert have in it?
5.) If they happened after they left – it’s Foley’s private life. Moonbats all over america blog what happens behind closed doors is off limits to neo-cons.
6.) If he is 18 and this happened after the pages left what is the crime?
7.) If they are under age go get him. Now it looks like ABC News used the 18 yr old as their blog boy and it is beginning to stink of Rathergate all over again!
MWS
Right now, CNN has a former page on who says that he was 17 when Foley started sending him sexual messages.
Yeah, the FBI is gonna “investigate” the hell out of this.
Foley clearly indicates in at least one IM that he was leaving the House floor during a vote to exchange sexual IMs with a yong ex-page. The House leadership probably knew about Foley since 2003. Foley has been seen driving around Washington in his BMW convertible with current House pages.
No, but you guys want to say “Rather gate over and over an hope peole will beleive that the “evidence” is tainted.
But the evidnce is electronic.
And more revelations are going to come out every day.
Good luck with the spin thing.I am having fun with the news thing.
Yes Daddy Love, ABC News outed him. Good Internet detective work determined who he was. Get your facts straight. Even Drudge said ABC News outed him by not redacting the messages.
MWS
One more little thing…
“If he is 18 and this happened after the pages left what is the crime?”
It’s not “him,” it’s “them.” When the final count of pages harassed by Foley comes out, it wil be > 1.
But the story still isn’t Foley, it is a coordinated coverup by the House leadership and their abdication of their responsibilities.
That would be two things.
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Oh, and who is parsing their way out of responsibility now? S ABC “outed” him by including a screen name somewhere on their site,and this guy ges through the complicated process of identifying the person from teh screen name that he describes on hsi site, and at th end of THAT he has a name and a lfe and he has to decidde what to do about it. And HE outed the page. It’s disgiusting and low, and totoally unfair to a kid who might like to lve normally but now won’t for what&#-151;a year or two? Or a kid who might not like his family, his friends, his lovers, and his employers knowing he had cybersex with a 52 year old House member.
Again Daddy Love look at point #7.
Also they are former pages now? CNN says they were former pages? ABC News said they were active pages.
Spin? No full-frontal lies from the ABC and thier friends in the MSM! At least CNN sees something fishy about their actual in-service dates!
IF PAssionate America can find the originals and then the ones posted and there are differences, don’t you think the FBI will figure it out.
Also if Hastert knew he was paging them privately while they were NOT in Congress what does the Speaker of the House have to do with Foley’s private life.
Spin? I think not. I think this boat is taking on water and you lefties are bailing fast.
I’ve always said if Foley broke laws get him. You lefty moonbats want to shoot before the evidence is in and before justice is served!
MWS
Your “ABC outed him” excuse is just more proof the “personal responsibility” is another Republican lie.
It’s not “him,” it’s “them.” When the final count of pages harassed by Foley comes out, it wil be > 1.
Mark Loraditch didn’t say the pages were “harassed”. You did!
MWS
It’s been kown from the start that he pursed pages after they left, sometimes for eyars.
So you approve of unwelcome sexual advances? I’ll fle that away.
But Foley passed a law (essentially) making Internet sexual conversations with those under 18 illegal. So if these young men are under 18 (which yo seem to doubt and I think is pretty well established so far), then he’s breaking his own law. The FBI IS supposed to investigate and setle this.
“ think this boat is taking on water and you lefties are bailing fast.”
Yeah, you keep thinking that while the rising tide of shit buries you.
But again, it’s not about Foley, and the rason you want to keep talking about him is that it keeps us from talking about teh House leadersip. I’m done talking about Foley. It’s about the House leadership. THAT’S the scandal.
It’s amazing how you want to hold Hastert to this higher standard of jumping into Foley’s gay personal life. You wnat us not to jump into someone’s personal life. This double standard is Amazing!
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Again, you approve of unwelcome sexal advances? I call them harassment. Hello! There are laws defining that too.
So you approve of unwelcome sexual advances? I’ll fle that away.
Nice try Daddy Love at writing words for me. Didn’t say it or write it!
Notice the tone and tenor of the messages is changing now. I borought up many things and you focus on the advances!
Go to go!
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“It’s amazing how you want to hold Hastert to this higher standard of jumping into Foley’s gay personal life. You wnat us not to jump into someone’s personal life.”
I hold haster to a standard of living up to his rsponsibilities as Hosue leader. And refusing to investigate reports of sexual advances toward House pages is very definitely his repsponsibility.
And I don’t care what you do about Foley’s personal life, but I resrve the right to comment about Republicans’ sleazy treatment of the former page who was outed, yes. Gee, Drudge, Reynolds, Pajamas Media…sounds like a Republican blogger/proxy conspiracy. I’m just sayin’…
MWS
Ooh, now you’ve beaten me by exposing my tone? Desperate. Weak.
CNN reports Hastert setting up “tip line” to report information on pages and/or page program.
Three years after he should have.
Impressinve.
MWS
Hey, I have an idea. Let’s contact the parents of the pages and ask them if they think their children were sexually harassed. Whaddya say?
MWS
I’nm surprised you’re not on the talking point of the “network of gay staffers and gay members who protect each other and did the speaker a disservice.”
How do you guys divide up the duties, anyway?
Dangle, post something that’s proven and illegal and quit with the suggestions and allegations. If there’ something there, prove it. Otherwise, butt out.
How tolerant.
Heck that standard would put Goldy and most bloggers out of business.
“How tolerant?”
So, you admit that you people get your kicks and your reality from imaginings, beliefs and stuff you hope is true?
Must be the republican playbook – say it and it might be true.
MWS:
It’s amazing how you want to hold Hastert to this higher standard of jumping into Foley’s gay personal life
You’re kidding, right? It’s not about Foley being gay. Don’t you wingnuts get that yet? It’s about inappropriate behavior and a cover up.
And if all you’ve been saying is true, why did Foley resign so quickly, why did he put himself in rehab, why did he try to pull the sympathy card by admitting he was molested by a priest?
Why are all the republicans running scared?
Amazing how the wing nuts attack war heroes, and defend deserters. Only in right wing world.
Your bizarre world is almost over, and the rule of law, and the rights of the people are about to return to our great land. So righties go molest someone’s kids, leave running the country to us……
Comment by Facts Support My Positions— 10/5/06@ 6:26 am
You miss one fact John Kerry did not release all his military records and refuse to sign the paper work so the press could study them. The question you have to answer is what Kerry agrees to with the North Vietnam in Paris in the 70’s. Next when Jimmy Carter pardon his actions and return to him his Horn able discharge papers, and gave him new medals that was discarded in the past. I’m still having a hard time trying to understanding you lack of support for one of your gay friends even if he was a Republican. You have in the past embrace Republicans who cross over to your Liberal Party and join your gay community. You claim to be the party of compassion and love, but this looks like the lions eating all the defenseless sheep. Maybe the National Guard is doing too good of a job defending this Nation borders and you are on withdraws on your Mexican drugs. Remember folks the Socialist Democrats believe in Love, Pease, and don’t Bogart that joint. By the way who is Cindy Sheehan?
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WEell, for Foley, rehab is pretty certainly about getting away from reporters while this thing is at its hottest. I mean, he has the look of a drinker, but I doubt that his contrition (about drinking, anyway) has an ounce of sincerity about it.
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So Kerry did not “release” his records during the campaign; he just made them available. Did somehow make him not a war hero? Did it make it somehow that the Navy did not award him a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts? These are not rhetorical questions.
He did release them.
Have a look if you like.
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That’s really a bizarre line of attack. You seem to be saying that criticizing Dennis Hastert for ignoring and refusing to investigate sexual harassment of House pages means that Democrats are anti-gay. How does that work, exactly? Why is the abdication of responsibility and the utter failure of the Republican House leadership to LEAD, an anti-gay issue?
I have other questions about Bill Frist thinking that the American military is unable to defeat the Afghani Taliban, but we can take that up later.
So when is USP going to obtain McGavick’s divorce records, since that’s so relevant and all?
I understand Foley has checked into a rehab program run by the Scientologists.
Daddy Love–
Do you realize that Dotzauer set up a corporation…..most likely to mask & launder political contributions.
Here is an example of how the scam works:
1) George Soros pays Dot, Inc. “fees”.
2) George deducts the fees.
3) Dot, Inc. in turns advances money to Mr. Dot who make political contributions to his favor Democrat. HOWEVER…
Dot, Inc. claims these advances are somehow DEDUCTIBLE political contributions because Dot, Inc is a lobbying firm.??? Laundered.
Comprende??
4) Now Mr. Dot, although the contributions are in his name, shows no income on these transactions. Thus evading Child Support on this income.
Daddy Love….
There are huge problems with this scam….as even you can understand (but may not want to admit….that’s ok though cuz it really doesn’t matter what you or I may spin).
BOTTOM-LINE—
1) Dot, Inc. has income and no deduction.
2) Contributors to Dot, Inc. have no deduction for fees paid to Dot, Inc. if it can be proven this was a “sham trahsaction”.
3) Mr. Dot has income for $$ received from Dot, Inc. Mr. Dot has to pay income taxes, self-employment taxes etc. The corporate veil will be pierced if SHAM TRANSACTION is proven.
In addition, Mr. Dot will have back Child Support obligations for $$ not reported in his calculations.
The next question is How does this impact Cantwell beyond Guilt by Insertion?
That will depend upon where the money went and what she said in her deposition that no one can seem to locate.
Comprende?
Klake @ 109:
It’s not that were “anti-gay,” we’re “anti-pedophile.”
See, Republicans and Democrats are exact opposites on this issue.
BTW that’s not a nuanced position either.
You supporter of protecting child molesters.
So, you admit that you people get your kicks and your reality from imaginings, beliefs and stuff you hope is true?
Must be the republican playbook – say it and it might be true
I dunno, I think supressing any dissent is fairly intolerant.
Must be in the liberal playbook too.
Kerry still has not released his full set of records to the public. He authorized 3 specific reporters, by name, but still refuses many news organizations access.
So the records still are shrouded as the reporters have not to date posted the contents.
I think you’re cornfused, svenie . . . what does tolerance have to do with imagination?
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