Podcasting Liberally returns with another brilliant evening of conversation recorded live at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. This week me (Goldy), Will, Carl, Jenny Jennie and McKenna provide live coverage of Hillary Clinton’s big win in "Crucial Tuesday" primary… or maybe it was her big loss. Listen in and figure it out for yourself.
The show is 41:54, and can be downloaded here as a 38.4 MB MP3.
[Recorded live at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. Special thanks to Darryl for producing the show, and Confab creators Gavin and Richard for hosting this site.]
It’s Jennie, doofus! :-)
But, that was kind of fun. And mostly, I don’t sound too clueless, though I don’t have the gift of gab that you real pundits do!
It’s pretty hard to win if the other candidate locks your supporters out of the caucus, fills in delegate lists in advance, and reports delegates to the state party before the caucus even begins! I wonder how many other delegates the Obama campaign stole this way in how many other states ….
On the other hand, I don’t really mind if our nominee behaves like a Republican because that’s what it takes to keep Republicans from stealing elections.
Thanks, Goldy. I can only handle so many implications that I’m a female jackass, and I’m already over this month’s upper limit. ;-)
I love Podcasting Liberally. The podcast from a month ago was one of my favorites. It was a discussion on how the rich don’t pay their fair share and how we need more social spending. Of course last weeks which was about the rich not paying their fair share and the need for more social spending was not bad either. I wonder what this one is about???
Thank you Rush for bringing out the vote for Hillary. I love watching these pathetic loser battle it out. hehehehe
To Will, It’s nice to see how liberal cowards support the troops. Will said in his pod cast that “McCain has little T REX arms and may have trouble whiping himself” Will you are correct about John McCains arms, here is what happened to them.
John McCain’s capture and imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam, when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile over Hanoi.[32][33][34][35] McCain fractured both arms and a leg,[36] and then nearly drowned when he parachuted into Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.[32] After he regained consciousness, a mob gathered around, spat on him, kicked him, and stripped him of his clothes.[37] Others crushed his shoulder with the butt of a rifle and bayoneted him in his left foot and abdominal area; he was then transported to Hanoi’s main Hoa Loa Prison, nicknamed the “Hanoi Hilton” by American POWs.[37][38]
Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to give him medical care unless he gave them military information, beating and interrogating him.[37] Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical care[37] and announce his capture. His status as a POW made the front pages of The New York Times[39] and The Washington Post.[40]
In August of 1968, a program of severe torture methods began on McCain, using rope bindings into painful positions, and beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[37][32
His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[46] He subsequently received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[47] Other American POWs were similarly tortured and maltreated in order to extract “confessions”,[37] with many enduring even worse treatment than McCain.[48]
Nice to know where the liberals on this site are coming from even though it is a dark and sick area of the liberal mind.
But liberals do claim to support the troops right?
No free speech in Canada
http://michellemalkin.com/2008.....er-attack/
forgot the link, I do that when I am disgusted by liberals. Go figure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.....te-usnwr73
Wow, rob, thanks for providing the description of what horrible things were done to McCain. Plainly explains his physical limitations and this man is to be lauded for his extraordinary bravery and survival. Too bad leftists like Will go for hate speech like that. We’ll see more.
Lefties, you like to accuse everyone else of hate speech, but it’s YOU who are the source of most of it. Witness the ugly racists names they call Michael Steele, Michelle Malkin, etc. They refer to NY as “Hymietown.” Their favorite national radio station steals funds marked for underprivileged kids. They accuse others of not caring about other people, but then we find out the likes of Al Gore and John Kerry gave almost nothing to charity before their presidential election years, while the rest of us put them to shame in that category. They call everyone else hateful and racist while doing the very things they accuse others of. They urinate on people coming out of the republican convention four years ago. They pour cement on train tracks while hating on the troops. They call the troops unkind names on nationally popular leftist blogs. They shoot republican headquarters offices in driveby shootings. They slash tires on buses waiting to take republican voters to the polls. They said the most ugly kinds of things things about Ronald Reagan’s physical condition while in the throes of Alzheimers. When will they finally see it?
Look at yourselves, people. Really try to see what others are seein, and ask yourselves if that’s really how you want to be remembered.
RE: 10, Well at least Borak Obama or Hillary Clinton never had to have their limbs deformed by the enemy during war, of course neither of them served in the military by their own choice.
“Will” does show that making fun of a war hero’s injuries is good sport while having drinks with like minded friends.
Tell it to Max Cleland. How outraged were you at the attacks on him?
Thanks Goldy, I downloaded the podcast and will send it along to some folks in the hope of making you guys famous! Good work.
Re: 12, Max Cleland, while an unfortunate and terrible accident, dropped a grenade on himself while having beers with friends. I don’t think it’s the same thing.
rob 7
Goldy and his buddy Will should be appalled by their lack of class or sensitivity. Maybe it was just ignorance on their parts but they have been making fun of Mcains war injuries for over a week on this very blog:
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4390
and
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4383
Will, you’re an asshole if you don’t publicly apologize to every disfigured veteran in the country.
Re: 12, K, I have never heard anyone make fun of Max Clelands injuries, even though they were self inflicted.
RE: 15, Thanks I didn’t see that little peice of liberal intelligencia. I think it’s time to make Will and Goldy famouse with veterans around the country.
@ 16, now that is the most despicable comment ever.
Rob: Great find on McCain. While he’s not my #1, he is an American hero.
Re: 18, Really?
On April 8, with a month left in his tour, Cleland was ordered to set up a radio relay station on a nearby hill. A helicopter flew him and two soldiers to the treeless top of Hill 471, east of Khe Sanh. Cleland knew some of the soldiers camped there from Operation Pegasus. He told the pilot he was going to stay a while. Maybe have a few beers with friends.
When the helicopter landed, Cleland jumped out, followed by the two soldiers. They ducked beneath the rotors and turned to watch the liftoff. Cleland reached down to pick up the grenade he believed had popped off his flak jacket. The blast slammed him backward, shredding both his legs and one arm. He was 25 years old…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....ry_service
Rob, Cleland’s wounds were not self-inflicted.
“And there ain’t nothin’ uglier than an old liberally drunk drunk.” – Close paraphrase of Pat O’Day.
“Normal isn’t acceptable.” – “Dr.” Jerry Mixon, reciting the DNC catechism.
Democrats are lying liars, Part MCCCXVIII: http://www.slate.com/id/2185753
(So there you have it, Kostards: Irish American O’Bama isn’t even beatified yet, and he’s already screwing up our foreign policy. And then LYING about it. What’s for you liberally drunk drunks not to like?)
RE: 21, according to Cleland, it was his grenade from his flack jacket. I already said it was a terrible and unfortunate accident at 14, but it was his accident.
@7: Yeah, ok, but did they TORTURE him, like, you know, by putting panties on his head and making him listen to Christina Aguilera?
rob, read the wikipedia account you posted, and then examine your dispicable claim that he “dropped a grenade on himself while having beers with friends.”
Then look up “Self-inflicted”‘
Then STFU you chiken shit troop hating asshole.
McCain is an American hero. He just isn’t gonna be an American President.
@10: Damn straight! Beautiful post!
@ 10, do you really think you are fooling anyone but the wingnut sheep trolls with that horseshit post?
RE: 25, I did read it, obviously you didn’t. It was his grenade that dropped from his flak jacket that blew himself up. I said whey we started this discussion that it was a “terrible and unfortanate accident at 14” The fact that Cleland was the only party to his accident seems to escape you.
Self Inflicted: inflicted by oneself upon oneself: a self-inflicted wound.
To paraphrse @ 10
“Democrats are the REAL mysogynistic racists!!! That is why they have a woman and black man as their candidates!”
What a moron.
little robbie,
A: was Cleland drinking beers with friends when he lost three limbs serving our country in Vietnam?
B: Did he “inflict” a grenade that shredded those limbs on himself?
C: Are you retarded?
We already answered C: a few days ago, so no need to answer that one.
RE: 25: Will says, “McCain has little T REX arms and may have trouble whiping himself”
Now tell me, who is the troop hating asshole?
to start with, I did serve and I am sure you did not so when you start calling names keep that in mind “chicken dove”
@28: Fooled and proud of it, shit-4-brains.
@ 33, I predicted as much, vacumn-4-brains.
A neocon economist said: “The Achilles heel of socialism was the inability to link the socialist goal with the provision of incentives for efficient labor and the encouragement of initiative on the part of individuals. It became clear in practice that a market provides such incentives best of all.” Who was the neocon economist?
[] A. Uncle Milton Friedman
[] B. Ludwig von Mises
[] C. Friedrich Hayek
[] D. Ronald Reagan (Eureka College economist)
[] E. Arthur Laffer, who drew his curve on Cheney’s clean and sanitary napkin
[] F. Sarah Jeglum (Dub Daily editor, whose paper has twice identified ‘Freakonomics’ as a novel)
So riddle me this, blatantly oblivious … who said this?
“I like to deal with rightists. They say what they really think — not like the leftists, who say one thing and mean another.”
Give yourself half a gold star if you answer ‘Malcolm X,’ who said something similar about rightist Goldwater and wack-lib Johnson in 1964.
re 7: Rob: When I see a comment from you apologizing for what your side said about Max Cleland, then I might take your treacly bullshit a bit more seriously.
But maybe I won’t.
When are you going to apologize for your side intimating in the 2000 primary in S. Carolina that McCain fathered a ‘black’ child. And the Bush team also went out of their way to paint McCain as a traitor who informed on his fellow prisoners in Vietnam. McCain never had a chance to inform on ‘W’, though. Wonder why?
You should just crawl back under your rock. You are out of your depth here.
@ 36 “So riddle me this, blatantly oblivious … who said this?”
Uh, that is not a proper request for a riddle. That was a question to me.
You fail.
#35 I choose a write-in
Local punk Perfesser Darryl
What our side said about Cleland was that his policy preferences were congruent with Saddam’s. A matter of opinion about which good men and women disagreed. No apologies necessary or needed.
No apologies needed from Ann Coulter, who tried to set the record straight about the circumstances of Cleland’s wounds.
RE: 31,
A: No, according to Cleland he was on his way to drink beers with friends.
B: Yes, Max Cleland’s Grenade blew Max Cleland up in a non combat situation.
C: Of course I am, it is amazing though how a retarded conservative keeps winning debates against the liberal elite.
D: “Will” will be famous in a couple of days making fun of a war hero’s injuries.
For the last three years Gov. Gregoire and the Democrats have spent our money like drunken sailors, amassing a deficit that will reach a staggering $2.4 billion by next year. Unfortunately, the Democrats only know of one way to balance a budget: RAISE TAXES. In fact, earlier this week Senate Democrats filed a lawsuit to make it even easier for them to raise taxes.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Socialist Democrats still going against the will of the voters.
Remember Car Tabs? How much did you pay for your tabs this year?
Better yet did Seattle fill in all its pots holes? Who will pay to fill Pot Hole Nickles holly streets?
The Democrats can only spent money but no results.
Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
38: Whatever.
So riddle you this, blatantly oblivious … who said …
“I like to deal with rightists. They say what they really think — not like the leftists, who say one thing and mean another.”
Give yourself half a gold star if you answer ‘Malcolm X,’ who said something similar about rightist Goldwater and wack-lib Johnson in 1964.
You’re getting warmer, Puddy, waaaaarmer …
RE: 37, Walter, what again did “our side” say about Max Cleland, why don’t you post it?
And when “your side” (meaning Will) will apologize for making fun of a true war hero’s injuries. I might not believe that all liberals are such America, troop hating pussies.
RE: 37. I am waiting WALTER?
PuddyPrick, The Fact Finding Prognosticator… says:
Rob, Cleland’s wounds were not self-inflicted.
03/05/2008 at 7:54 pm
ob says:
RE: 21, according to Cleland, it was his grenade from his flack jacket. I already said it was a terrible and unfortunate accident at 14, but it was his accident.
03/05/2008 at 7:59 pm
Really does it matter. Max is a hero and we can all agree on that. I am just glad he was not subject to the same torturous treatment we inflicted at Gitmo. Pat at #24 has it right.
@ 14 “rob” says “dropped a grenade on himself while having beers with friends.”
@ 41 “rob says “No, according to Cleland he was on his way to drink beers with friends.”
also @ 41 “rob” says “it is amazing though how a retarded conservative keeps winning debates against the liberal elite.”
Yeah, how is that working out for ya, “rob”?
And before Max Cleland lost his limbs in service to his country he was “awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous action in combat, including during the Battle of Khe Sanh on April 4th, 1968.”
Now, “rob”, you were trying to make a point? Oh, yeah I forgot you stated in the question regarding if you are retarded @ 41 “Of course I am”
Good point!
RE: 49, It’s working out for me in the most excellent way. How did Max Cleland get injured again? Oh, and how did John McCain get his (T REX arms, courtesy of Will and Goldy at Horsesass.com)
Ha, whatever happened to WALTER, he was going to tell us how the right degraded Max Cleland. Walter either stand up or shut up. Thanks.
@7 Hey stupe — you’re supposed to use quote marks (“”) around material you didn’t write, so people know it isn’t yours, and you’re also supposed to use ellipses (…) when you omit material from a quote, so people know you’re withholding part of the material. E.g., you said,
“In August of 1968, a program of severe torture methods began on McCain, using rope bindings into painful positions, and beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[37][32
“His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[46] He subsequently received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[47] Other American POWs were similarly tortured and maltreated in order to extract “confessions”,[37] with many enduring even worse treatment than McCain.[48]”
The, um, actual quote is:
“In August of 1968, a program of severe torture methods began on McCain, using rope bindings into painful positions, and beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[37][32] McCain made an anti-American propaganda “confession” that said he was a “black criminal” and an “air pirate”.[32] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable,[45] but as he would later write, “I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine.”[37] His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[46] He subsequently received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[47] Other American POWs were similarly tortured and maltreated in order to extract “confessions”,[37] with many enduring even worse treatment than McCain.[48]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
In other words, you left out the part where McCain cracked under torture and signed an anti-American “confession,” even though buddies who endured worse tortured didn’t. Hey, I’m not saying he didn’t go through hell as a POW — he did — but his fellow prisoners were more heroic than he was and so if the GOP wants to run a war hero in the mold of Ike or Bob Dole, maybe one of them should be the nominee, instead of McCain?
@ 50 “rob” McCain sufferred grevious harm while a prisoner of war after crashing his plane in Vietnam. I assume you are trying to point out that in your view McCain’s injuries were self inflicted, but I don;t buy it!
You can peddle your troop haitng claptrap elsewhere.
McCain was offered to leave his “self inflicted” imprisonment early, due to his fathers position, but McCain refused. He is a true American Hero, and no amount of troop hatred “self inflicted” claptrap from a traitorous asshole like you will change my mind.
Go away, retard.
Try this one rob. A bit of a different story, saving others, then your initial implications about drinking beer.
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.....?id=h-2781
“On April 8, 1968, as Cleland was returning to his barracks, a grenade was accidentally dropped. Cleland reacted quickly by falling upon it, no doubt saving the lives of several soldiers. He lost both his legs and his right hand in the explosion. He was awarded the Silver Star and the Soldier’s Medal, and he underwent many months of rehabilitation in army hospitals.”
@ 52, that is where McCain shows his inablity to be the President. He knows that torture is ineffective in getting real information, but still he voted just last month to allow torture.
He was a great man. That man is now compromised by time and his own ambitions.
McCain basically said the same stuff Kerry did, except McCain used more overtly anti-American language, and Kerry opposed the war on conscience, whereas McCain was for the war but cracked under enemy beatings. McCain himself called his confession “dishonorable” — and defended his friend Kerry against the Swift Boat Liars who falsely impugned Kerry’s service record. Strange world, isn’t it? Both of these guys are war heros, yet one of them broke and one didn’t, and one cooperated with enemy propaganda whereas the other opposed the war for conscientious reasons without attacking his country in the process, and guess which one rob shills for, and which one rob disses?
As usual, rob’s got it exactly backwards.
In other words, you left out the part where McCain cracked under torture and signed an anti-American “confession,” even though buddies who endured worse tortured didn’t.
You got that right. They endured not only panties on the head but had to assemble into a pyramid naked. Just because our enemies did it doesn’t mean we should.
RE: 53, McCain was shot down by an enemy SAM Missile, suffered two fractured arms and one leg, His shoulder crushed by and enemy’s rifle butt, bayoneted by the enemy in the foot and abdomen. He was tortured for 5 years after that.
You call that self inflicted? Liberals are such retards as well as pussies.
“You call that self inflicted?”
No, rob, thems your words.
Re: 56, Roger Rabbit says: Strange world, isn’t it? Both of these guys are war heros, yet one of them broke and one didn’t, and one cooperated with enemy propaganda whereas the other opposed the war for conscientious reasons without attacking his country in the process, and guess which one rob shills for, and which one rob disses?
RABBIT: I disagree with you, both of them denounced the war, McCain did it while being tortured by the enemy for 5 years. Kerry did it after 3 months of service after he was safe at home in the US. Tell me again when Kerry was tortured?
As a by line: every one knows that if we don’t torture are troops won’t be tortured, right? dumbass liberals.
Rabbit, besides checking your facts, check your spelling.
A few other things to remember about McCain are that (a) he wasn’t considered a good enough flyer to assign to combat duties, (b) he had to beg for a combat assignment, (c) he was the only pilot in his 20-plane formation to get shot down, and (d) most people, unlike McCain, manage to eject without breaking 3 limbs in the process. It seems McCain had more balls than ability.
Hey, I’m not dissing the guy! It takes brass cajones to fly a plane off a carrier deck over enemy territory through clouds of SAMs. Nobody’s saying McCain didn’t have guts. And he did a couple of real admirable things while a POW, such as refusing to take advantage of his dad’s position to get sent home ahead of his buddies. McCain is a real admirable guy in a lot of ways. I’m not sure I’d trust him with a $50 million Navy jet, if I had to pay for it, in that he lost 3 planes during his relatively short flying career. And the Navy clearly didn’t consider him leadership material, as they assigned him to lobbying duties after he returned to the States, and he left the Navy because he wasn’t promotable due to lack of leadership and command experience. But despite all that, McCain is a genuine war hero and an admirable guy.
However, we’re conducting job interviews for President of the United States, not prom king. The president is our head of state, the commander-in-chief of our military forces, the CEO of the 2-million-employee federal government, the leader of the free world, the nation’s top policymaker, and the most influential person in the country when it comes to legislation and managing the economy. What, exactly, in McCain’s background qualifies him for this job? If the Navy didn’t think he had the leadership skills to command even a small ship, or a fighter squadron, how does that suddenly translate into making him the best qualified person in the whole country to command the entire armed forces? Why should we trust McCain with an economy that’s clearly in deep trouble (and got there because of Republican mismanagement) when the guy feels so uncomfortable about economics he avoids talking about the economy? I mean, why exactly, should we hire this guy?
I just don’t see it.
@57 Actually, they got the shit beat out of them, but you’re a wingnut so you’re not expected to know anything.
rob @ 60 “Rabbit, besides checking your facts, check your spelling.”
Oh, boy!! rob is gonna start that again!!
LOL
However, we’re conducting job interviews for President of the United States, not prom king. The president is our head of state, the commander-in-chief of our military forces,
This is why Obama or Hillary would make an excellent president and an excellent commander-in-chief…… wait they never served. Strike that last comment.
Well, McCain’s continued stay at the Hanoi Hilton may have been heroic, but dudes, you have to admit, today he seeks the approval and endorsement of his FRIEND the TORTURER George W. Bush, who is ultimately responsible for Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, use of waterboarding in violation of international treaties (which we have signed, making them the law of the land). Therefore, in spite of his weak protestations, McCain actually supports the use of torture. So he must have made his peace with what the little red brothers over in Hanoi did to him all those years ago.
Rob @ 60-
“…we don’t torture are troops…”
“Are” troops, and you are lecturing about spell check in the next sentence.
Too funny!
Or should I say “Two funny”
RE: 59, Nice try at changing the subject again, Now tell me. How did Mac Cleland get injured? That isn’t to hard is it? Evan for a chicken dove liberal.
You know I alway marvel on how many people believe in me but have never seen me. I thought I was one of a kind, but John Kerry’s military medical records….. I am not even in the same league.
robby boy, scroll to 54. I gave it to you there.
rob @ 67
Uh, rob, you had better check your facts, and especially your spelling!
@60 “As a by line: every one knows that if we don’t torture are troops won’t be tortured, right? dumbass liberals. Rabbit, besides checking your facts, check your spelling”
“Heros” is a typo, not a misspelling, rob. I know it’s spelled “heroes.” Guess what, the keys in my keyboard sometimes stick, because both Mrs. Rabbit and I eat at the computer, and sticky food gets between the keys, which makes them stick together, ya know what I’m talkin’ about???
Among our many differences, rob, my spelling is better than my typing, whereas your typing is better than your spelling. Can you tell me which word you misspelled while you were busy criticizing my “spelling”? Here’s a hint: It has only 3 letters. Or do you wish to claim that spelling “our” as “are” is a result of a sticky keyboard and not an illiterate typist? Hmmmm??
Another of those I-wish-I-were-quicker-on-my-feet moments: last night, when Goldy was raving about the Blethens, what I was sort of thinking was along the lines of this…
Imagine what Frank’s days must be like. After spending all morning on the phone with his CPA and tax attorney, maybe he manages to get in a few rounds of golf. Then he drags himself to 13 Coins for a hangtown fry and a bloody mary. Sometime in the afternoon, he finally makes it upstairs to the editorial offices. For him, editorials are his chance to ‘practice journalism’ but really he can’t be too bothered by the troubles of the hoi polloi. He makes an effort, but he’s a dabbler at best. Really, he’s just wanking. But Goldy, now Goldy thinks and wishes Frank could do better. As much as he plays the cynic, it just goes to show that Goldy really cares after all, the naive fool!
Man, debating rob is like debating fish in a barrel. They are both stupid, and they are easy to catch.
RE:66,K, I am arguing with 6 little liberal twits to one of me. Most of you make one attack and dissapear (like wilbur and yourself) when asked to document your spurious comments. You never back yourselves up but 60 minutes later you finally have a grammer problem with me.
I am not going to take the time or energy to scroll up and see what dumb fucking thing you said an hour ago that you never answered for.
Has robtard offered to meet anyone for a fisticuffs yet?
@ 74 “I am arguing with 6 little liberal twits to one of me”
rob tried this last time he got the shit metaphorically beat out of him.
By the end of the beating he will boast “I can defeat 7 liberals with half my brain tied behind my back!”
It will not only be a lame quote stolen from blowhard Rush, but he will misspell every other word.
@60 I’m not in the mood right now to debate the efficacy, not to mention the morality, of torture with a mental midget like you. As I’ve said before, you can do whatever you want to the motherfuckers responsible for 9/11 and I won’t say a thing. But if you torture one innocent person, I’ll spring the trapdoor on you myself.
I’ve got a life, bud, a family, and better things to do than engage with a fool like you non-stop for extended periods.
I will make two comments responding to you. First, in an exchange a few days ago, your favorite response was “scroll up”. And second, I referred your question from comment 59 to a post in comment 54. Even with your short attention span, that should have been reasonable.
@60 BTW, dumbshit, the argument that torturing prisoners puts our troops in greater danger didn’t come from liberals. It came from the Pentagon’s top generals.
@ 74, just wait YLB, I am sure rob is just into his third scotch.
Roger 61
“Hey, I’m not dissing the guy!” You sure are. And if you think you can somehow create the illusion of equivalency beyween Kerry and McCain, forget about it. Only your fellow travellers here at HA will buy it.
Will, you’re still an asshole.
@63 See 3rd paragraph of #71. Don’t drink coffee over your keyboard when you read it.
RE: 71, While you were talking about who misspelled or “typed what according to rabbit” you forgot to address that fact that while you were degrading McCain for “breaking under torture” you failed to address Kerry (after serving a whole 3 months) breaking under adulation from hippy’s.
rob will soon be swinging unconvincingly at shadows on the wall, and screeching nonsensical diatribes about “lIBeRels” at the top of his lungs.
I am glad I am not his neighbor.
@64 At least they didn’t promise to spend the next 100 years trying to “win” in Iraq. BTW, what exactly are you Rethugs trying to “win” in Iraq? What’s the mission? Does anyone know what the mission is? Is there one? Or has this degenerated into war for war’s sake?
@64 They also have the good judgment to know a losing proposition when they see one.
@60 I’m not in the mood right now to debate the efficacy, not to mention the morality, of torture with a mental midget like you. As I’ve said before, you can do whatever you want to the motherfuckers responsible for 9/11 and I won’t say a thing. But if you torture one innocent person, I’ll spring the trapdoor on you myself.
03/05/2008 at 9:27 pm
Hear hear rabbit. We in the PLO are with you in protecting the innocent. We need all the innocent muslims we can get, where else are we going to hide our missiles.
@64 At least they didn’t promise to spend the next 100 years trying to “win” in Iraq. BTW, what exactly are you Rethugs trying to “win” in Iraq? What’s the mission? Does anyone know what the mission is? Is there one? Or has this degenerated into war for war’s sake?
03/05/2008 at 9:33 pm
Hmmmm Last year you liberals were saying that millions are dying and now you are questioning what the mission is? The war is going well. heheehhe I mean roof roof
In any case, Iraq won’t decide this election, $4.25 gas will. Crude prices jumped $5 today. Oil will never again cost less than $100/bbl., because a dollar that was worth $1 when Dumbya took office is now worth only slightly over 50 cents and is dropping fast. We already have double-digit inflation, and double-digit unemployment is just around the corner. The more Bernanke cuts interest rates, the worse it’s gonna get. Waytago wingfuck idiots.
RE: 87, Bwahhaahhhaa, what a tuff little Arab you are. I am not Jewish but I want to be right now. It is a shame how the Jews keep kicking the PLO’s ass all the time isn’t it? Even when you send 16 yo females as suicide bombers. Sorry but I just bought some more stock in Caterpillar. I am also going to have some Rachel Corrie waffles in the morning..
Rufus @ 88 “The war is going well.”
Which war are you talking about?
@90 You would get laughed out of an Israeli recruiting office.
Ok quit bickering everyone :) Hannah here needs some clarifications, been hearing stuff from my Republican friends, trying to pull me….if I mispell please ignore :)
Question #1….ok so when the CHIP was veto’d by Bush, is it true that the reason was because the bill has so many “pork barrels” (ad ons having nothing to do with CHIP) attached to it? I am hearing and reading that the reason the prez has veto’d so many bills presented to him is because the bills have multiple issues added to them. Here in Washington I695 was overturned deemed unconstitutional because it had more than one issue involved, correct?
#2 So if my question is indeed true, why is that Congress and the Senate can include multiple issues on a bill, but a state initiative writer can not?
he Blatantly Obvious says:
Rufus @ 88 “The war is going well.”
Which war are you talking about?
03/05/2008 at 9:43 pm
Ahh Clueless. You need to go back to your old name. hehehe
Rob – I don’t approve of what that Rachel Corrie did, but don’t use her name in vain. Let her rest in peace. Same goes for Clelan, it was an accident, he still served our country!
No, honest, Rufus, I am Headless Lucy! Just ask Buddypud!
@35 “A neocon economist said: ‘The Achilles heel of socialism was the inability to link the socialist goal with the provision of incentives for efficient labor and the encouragement of initiative on the part of individuals. It became clear in practice that a market provides such incentives best of all.’ Who was the neocon economist?”
[] A. Uncle Milton Friedman
[] B. Ludwig von Mises
[] C. Friedrich Hayek
[] D. Ronald Reagan (Eureka College economist)
[] E. Arthur Laffer, who drew his curve on Cheney’s clean and sanitary napkin
[] F. Sarah Jeglum (Dub Daily editor, whose paper has twice identified ‘Freakonomics’ as a novel)
Good question. I’m curious to know which neocon idiot dreamed up the idea of providing “incentives for efficient labor and the encouragement of initiative on the part of individuals” by paying labor as little as possible and preferably nothing?
Re: 84, Nah, I am still here, did you ever figure out how the left’s hero got injured? You never answered my question. I guess like dealing with 3 year olds I will have to ask again. How did Max Cleland get injured?
98 – according to wikipedia, he got out of the helicopter, saw a grenade on the ground, thought he had dropped it and when he went to pick it up…well the rest is history. Obviously the grenade was not his as the pin was pulled.
@ 98 I already answered that. Take notes.
Or have a literate three year old take them for you.
RE: 95, That would be like asking me to give a positive eulogy for Yasser Arifat. If you support terrorists you die like terrorists. Deal with it.
RE: 100, talk to me like a 3 year old and tell me where O’ great liberal pussy (who has never even seen a uniform in his life much less put one on)
RE: 99, I missed the part about the grenade was not his, In fact he said he thought it was his. Are you saying he got fragged?
“Incentives for labor” is a fascinating topic! Why, I’m a walking laboratory for behaviorial economics. Back when Clinton was president, I had a job and produced something. Now, after 7 1/2 years of Republican mismanagement of the economy, I don’t work or produce a fucking thing. Instead, I flip stocks. It’s hard to imagine a more useless activity than buying stocks from Mr. Market, then selling the stock back to Mr. Market at a higher price, then buying the same stock back from Mr. Market at a lower price, and selling it back to Mr. Market at a higher price, ad nauseum. What the hell does this produce? I’ll tell you. It produces profits for Roger Rabbit and a 10% capital gains tax rate, that’s what it produces. If I worked and made something of value, I would have to pay a 32.65% tax rate. So, I don’t work. No rational rabbit, or rational human either, would do any work under a stupid system like this. Why should I, when I can make more money and pay lower taxes by pushing the same dollars in circles in the stock market? There’s no incentive to work under our economic system. In fact, there’s lots of disincentives, because if you get a job you get be injured, fired, demoted, etc. — all sorts of bad things could happen to you. But if you don’t work, the worst thing that can happen is your tax rate will go down. How bad is that? Sure beats working! Hey, I’m not saying this Republican economy is a good thing. Obviously, it’s the stupidest thing to come down the pike since the Republicans caused the Great Depression. Republicans aren’t famous for smart, know what I mean? But this is the system we have right now, so I don’t work or produce anything, because that’s how the Republican incentive system works.
RE: 99, there was no enemy contact that day, either it was his grenade or someone fragged him. Which is it?
errata
could be injured
aren’t famous for smarts
105 – the wikipedia actually doesn’t explain that, but I found this letter also:
http://www.buzzflash.com/contr.....04074.html
@ 102 “talk to me like a 3 year old”
rob, in case you haven’t noticed, everyone in your life talks to you like you are a three year old. That is a lesson they have all learned. Perhaps you can learn from that.
RE: 104, I thought you were a lawyer? If Bush in power puts lawyers out of work I say “4 MORE YEARS!”
rob gets vicarious thrills from other people’s heroism
@ 106, you are smart enough Roger.
I love coming late to a thread and seeing our little friend robby having been beat to a pulp and, yet, thrashing around like the limbless Black Knight in Monty Python’s In Search of the Holy Grail. Li’l robby is like his president. He declares victory, or mission accomplished, while his blood waters the ground. And, even better, he offers criticism about writing and spelling while talking about “grammer.” Ah, I love you, li’l robby. Keep it coming.
RE: 108, I know you believe you are cute with dodging questions; do you have the mental ability to answer one? Of course you don’t, you have proven it here. I will quit asking you because you are obviously too much of a liberal pussy to answer
@112 He reminds me of the frogs Bush used to blow up with firecrackers.
@ 122 “robby is like his president. He declares victory, or mission accomplished, while his blood waters the ground.”
It is not “his” blood watering the ground. But I get the point.
robby
So, being a prisoner of war for 5 years qualifies a guy for being leader of the free world? I don’t think there’s any connection at all between being a prisoner of war and political leadership. None. Zero. Nada. So, what else does your boy McCain bring to the table, a guy who has built a political career based on nothing more than being a prisoner of war and marrying into a well-connected and wealthy Arizona family?
@ 116, he is well connected to lobbyists! Does that count?
@116 more importantly – how much valuable information did JohnBoy give up while in prison camp? How many American med died because JohnBoy couldn’t hold his mud? How many missions were compromised? We need to start asking these questions. How did he stay alive that long? Most people believe the only way to do that was to work with the VC. Is JohnBoy a hero or a traitor?
robby
So, being a prisoner of war for 5 years qualifies a guy for being leader of the free world? I don’t think there’s any connection at all between being a prisoner of war and political leadership.
Hell no!!! McCain never served as first lady and failed at passing universal healthcare. McCain never gave great speeched where “hope” and “change” were repeated over and over again. McCain has nothing!!!
@113 rob, we’d all respect you (slightly) more if you admitted the obvious — like me, you’re a partisan hack and propagandist. (Albeit not remotely as good at it.)
ByeByeGOP says:
@116 more importantly – how much valuable information did JohnBoy give up while in prison camp? How many American med died because JohnBoy couldn’t hold his mud?
He probably gave the VC super secret missile guidance technology as far as we know. Way to hit em Bye bye.
@ 118, I am going to have to disagree with that line of reasoning.
I wasn’t there. And I am glad I wasn’t.
But I personally don’t find that a productive line of questioning.” There are plenty of reasons not to support McCain without that.
” I admit borrowing that from Kissinger. Now Kissinger! There is a place to dig deep into questions of loyalty!
@116 Oh, let’s give him credit for authoring the campaign finance reforms he’s now ignoring.
He also deserves credit for paying lip service to the evils of pandering to special interests, even though he panders to special interests just like the rest of ’em.
RE: 112, 114, 115: Bwahhaahaaaa, Do you liberals really feel empowered name calling on the interwebs? Let’s go back to the debate shall we?
1. Will, who is a blogger at this site made fun of John McCains injured limbs. Injured while serving the United States of America in Vietnam. Will of course wasn’t in Vietnam so it is fine for him to make fun of War Heroes injuries.
2. There have been several brain damaged liberals complaining about what conservatives said about Max Clelands injuries. I asked what did we say. Total silence from the libtards.
3. Roger Rabbit compared John McCain breaking under torture after 5 years and denouncing the war and John Kerry who served a total of 3 months in Vietnam and breaking under the adulterations of Hippies and denouncing the war when he was back home safe in the USA.
Then you have the rest of the liberals who are to timid to even make two consecutive posts.
Oh, I forgot PLO, I do hope you see your 72 virgins soon.
soon.
You could make the argument that a guy who’s too old to fuck the lobbyist is too old, period.
@ 125, the only interesting question you raised was:
“Do you liberals really feel empowered name calling on the interwebs?”
Empowered? No. But it sure is fun kicking retard ass like your’s rob!
Question for rob: Do you wingnuts really feel empowered name calling on the interwebs?
RE: 116, Serving in the military for 20 years and the senate for 25 years gives you more credibility than sleeping with Monica Lewinsky’s boyfriend for 8 years doesn’t it?
@ 126, good point. Heck, Bob Dole, with the help of his little blue pill, would have gone demolition derby on that lobbyist “perk”.
RE: 127, How did Max Cleland get injured again?
@ 128, rob, how is that 6th scotch working out for you?
RE: 129, don’t forget, Bob Dole had his arm injured in a war as well. I am sure you liberals could make some jokes about it.
RE: 131, How did Max Cleland get injured again?
Rabbit @ 120: “@113 rob, we’d all respect you (slightly) more if you admitted the obvious — like me, you’re a partisan hack and propagandist. (Albeit not remotely as good at it.)”
Poor robby, he doesn’t know he’s a partisan hack and propagandist, and, moreover, that he’s not very good at what he does. My liberal instincts tell me I should reach out to him, maybe offer him some therapy, gratis even. I mean, the poor boy must be trying to compensate for some feelings of inadequacy, perhaps due to his relationship with his father. On the other hand, I think I’d prefer to watch him get squashed–metaphorically speaking, of course–by those of you who are doing just that to him. I think I’ll pop some corn and watch for awhile.
RE: 134, while you pathetic liberals need the government to take care of you, I do fine taking care of myself and family thanks.
I just don’t want to support you retards!
@ 13, glad to hear it, rob.
TBO @ 131
What do you think–blended or single malt? If I were to guess, I’d go with bottom shelf bourbon. After all, a guy like robby seems unlikely to drink something from a foreign nation, unless, of course, there’s nothing else to drink.
erratum @ 135
@ 137, I am thinking a blend of Monarch scotch, window cleaner and Kool-Aid.
Where is Will? Hopefully he is out getting his little liberal head kicked in by some wounded veterans.
robbed @ 135
God help your poor family. I had hoped that you lived alone and hadn’t spawned. Lord, another generation of idiots . . .
RE: 139, How did Max Cleland get wounded again? Dealing with retards you have to ask the same question over and over even though you know they won’t answer because it would be embarrassing for them.
Come on pussy tell me?
Judging by @ 142, rob is about 20 minutes till “I can defeat 7 liberals with half my brain tied behind my back!”
139
Yes, of course. That would do it.
RE: 141, Someday when you have something to add to a debate other that personal attacks you can tell your (family ?) how proud of yourself you are. Until then go ahead acting like an idiot and see where that gets you.
RE: 144, we can only hope can’t we?
tick tick tick…
Rob: You are scum:—-
http://www.bartcopnation.com/d.....pic_id=522
“Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Cleland
“David Lloyd was a gung-ho, 19-year-old enlisted Marine, son of a Baltimore ship worker, who went to Vietnam because he “wanted to kill Communists.”
On April 8, 1968, he was in a mortar pit on a hill near Khe Sanh when he heard an explosion. Shrapnel bounced off his flak jacket. He ran to the injured officer, a man named Max Cleland. ‘Hold on there, captain,’ Lloyd told Cleland. ‘The chopper will be here in a minute.’
Lloyd took off his web belt and tied it around one of Cleland’s shredded legs. When the medics arrived, he left to help another injured soldier — one of the two who had gotten off a helicopter with Cleland.
That soldier was crying. ‘It was mine,’ he said, ‘it was my grenade.’
According to Lloyd, the private had failed to take the extra precaution that experienced soldiers did when they grabbed M-26 grenades from the ammo box: bend the pins, or tape them in place, so they couldn’t accidentally dislodge. This soldier had a flak jacket full of grenades with treacherously straight pins, Lloyd says. “He was a walking death trap.”[4]
Due to the severity of his injuries, doctors amputated both his legs above the knee and his right forearm.[5”
robby at 142: “Come on pussy tell me?”
Actually, robby, if your private education had not failed you, you would have written the foregoing thusly: “Come on, pussy, tell me.”
Don’t bother thanking me for helping you with your punctuation lessons. I see my assistance as a matter of community service.
RE 147, How did Max Cleland get injured in Vietnam? I guess you are to stupid to know that.
131 I don’t think he has to drink; you’re seeing his normal state. Besides, there’s no way he can afford scotch, and even if he could his mother won’t permit it while he’s living in her basement.
Does a pretty good imitation of a flaming psychopath, though.
And, Rob, just because you may have done some time in the military doesn’t mean you were serving anyone’s interests but your own.
I owe you nothing, you heartless pig.
Rob: Dry up and blow away. You are a waste of protoplasm. The universe itself will reject your remains as toxic waste.
Walter @ 152
Exactly. If robby was in the military, we all know it was for his own purposes. I certainly don’t want people like him on the military’s payroll.
Rob: Did it ever occur to you that you could fact-check the WingNut™ sources where you feed your head with this garbage.
So, suddenly McCain’s a hero to you? Forgive me if I doubt your sincerity.
Walter… you are spoiling it. That has been in the open all night, rob even quoted from it.
Captain Cleland lost his limbs in Vietnam when another soldier accidentally unleashed a grenade and Clelend tried to get rid of it.
rob calls that “self inflicted”.
rob is an ass.
Hannah @ 93
Our state constitution in Washington prohibits having more than one subject in legislation. This can be creatively done, so that a truck can drive through a given bill, but does impose a number of practical constraints to how much crap can be contained in a single piece of legislation.
By contrast, the federal constitution has no restraints as to the amount of unrelated garbage that can be streamrolled into a single Act of Congress.
156 Blatant
I think you’re overestimating Rob. He doesn’t rise that high, figuratively or literally.
Poor thing.
rob?? rob??? where are you?
PROUD LEFTIST AND BO BOTH COCK BREATHS WHAT BRANCH OF THE SERVICE WERE YOU IN THOUGHT SO.ALSO YOU FUCKERS ARE SO SMART WHY DONT YOU ANSWER THIS FOR ME. JOHN LIMP DICK KERRY GOT THREE PURPLE HEARTS AND DID NOT SPEND ON DAY IN SICK BAY.SO TELL MIGIT MINDS HOW MANY SERVICEMEN IN ANY BRANCH HAS 3 PURPLE HEARTS BUT NEVER SPENT A DAY IN THE HOSPITAL.TAKE YOUR TIME ILL BE AROUND FOR 10 MORE YEARS.WHY ARE THE LEFT SUCH LOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSERS
HAVE YOU SEEN JOHN KERRYS WIFE SHE GOT A FACE LIKE 40 MILES OF BAD GEORGIA ROAD.
Let 160 and 161 be a warning folks. Crystal Meth is not your friend.
ROB KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK YOU GOT THEM ON THE RUN.HOW DO YOU KEEP A DEMWIT BUSY. WHY YOU PUT HIM IN A BARREL AND TELL HIM TO SHIT IN A CORNER.TOOK ROGER 10 HOURS TO FIGURE IT OUT BUT HE WAS A GURUNT WHO WOKED IN THE BX.STILL SMELLING LITTLE GIRLS BIKE SEATS.
Stand down, PU. You have done your PSA duty for tonight.
HEY BO YOUR SERVICE AGAIN.CIVIL AIR PATROL.COME ALONG SIDE BUT DONT TIE UP.SEE YA COCKBREATH THANKS FOR PLAYIN
Is PU rob’s alternate personality?
After the 8th scotch, rob turns into “PU”.
rob: Don’t make me angry, you wouldn’t like me when I am angry!
PU: ARRGHHH!!!!
Are Rob, PU and Piper Scotch all the same person?
RE: 148, So Walter, I didn’t wan’t to say the Cleland got fragged but now that you seem to think so I can believe it. Regardless of his how he obtained his
injuries he is still an asshole. Watch the selfrightous prick on tv sometime.
Were you ever going to tell us what the right did to make fun of his war injuries though? You know, like Will did with McCain?
You brought it up at 37 A couple of hours ago but you still can’t come up with anything dimwit.
So Walter, maybe you should just stay home in your mom’s basement and masturbate in her granny panties.
Loser
168, Will you run for office again and beat your wife so we can all be entertained?
Re: 167, an angry liberal is like an angry ch-wa-wa, you just kick them to the side when you are tired of their yapping.
Night Pussies!
night, rob. Thanks for the entertainment.
asshole.
Now that rob is gone, let’s examine
@ 169
Delusion? non sequitor? Or just drunken rambling?
Treason? self referential projection? drunken self contempt?
Blackouts? Lack of self awareness? or clinical retardism?
Is “rob” simply illiterate? Ignorant? Home schooled?
Projection. Period.
@ 170
Projection? A rejection of a hostile reality? Just being and asshole?
@ 171
Drunkenness. Period.
@ 172
Projection. Drunkenness. Asshole. Period.
@132 “RE: 129, don’t forget, Bob Dole had his arm injured in a war as well. I am sure you liberals could make some jokes about it.”
Au contraire,* I voted for Bob Dole because he’s a war hero — the only Republican presidential candidate I’ve ever voted for. His opponent was a draft dodger, so I never voted for that guy. (I voted for an independent candidate with Alfred E. Neuman ears in ’92.)
You see, rob, military heroes are one thing I do respect — unfailingly. And I don’t pick and choose, like you and your wingnut pals do. To me, if a guy’s a war hero, he’s a war hero, and I don’t qualify that by whether he’s a Republican or a Democrat. I respect and admire all of the following war heroes: Dwight Eisenhower, George H.W. Bush, George McGovern, Daniel Inouye (D-Medal of Honor), Bob Kerrey (D-Medal of Honor), Bob Dole, John Kerry, John McCain, Max Cleland, and many others. You seem to respect war heroes only if they pass your partisan litmus test. To that I say, fuck you, you unpatriotic fuck!
* “To the contrary” for you non-French-speaking wingnut idiots.
rob not only is disrespectful about CPT Cleland, he also demonstrates that he has never been anywhere near a battlefield and knows nothing about the practical realities of serving in the military in a war zone.
“On April 8, 1968, Captain Cleland was the Battalion Signal Officer for the 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division during the Battle of Khe Sanh.”
Roger Rabbit Commentary – First of all, my unit was at Khe Sanh, and I served with several guys who endured the entire siege, and let me tell you it was hell and everyone who served at Khe Sanh was involved in real combat and is a fucking hero, whether he got shot or blown up, or not.
“On April 8 … Cleland was ordered to set up a radio relay station on a nearby hill. A helicopter flew him and two soldiers to the treeless top of Hill 471, east of Khe Sanh. … When the helicopter landed, Cleland jumped out, followed by the two soldiers. They ducked beneath the rotors and turned to watch the liftoff. Cleland reached down to pick up the grenade he believed had popped off his flak jacket. The blast slammed him backward, shredding both his legs and one arm. He was 25 years old …
“David Lloyd was a … Marine … in a mortar pit on [the] hill … when he heard [the] explosion. … Lloyd took off his web belt and tied it around one of Cleland’s shredded legs. When the medics arrived, he left to help another injured soldier — one of the two who had gotten off a helicopter with Cleland. That soldier was crying. ‘It was mine,’ he said, ‘it was my grenade.’ According to Lloyd, the private had failed to take the extra precaution that experienced soldiers did when they grabbed M-26 grenades from the ammo box: bend the pins, or tape them in place, so they couldn’t accidentally dislodge. This soldier had a flak jacket full of grenades with treacherously straight pins, Lloyd says. ‘He was a walking death trap.'”
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This kind of shit happens all the time in a combat zone. Because of the rotational system used in Vietnam, where individual soldiers instead of complete units rotated in an out of country, there were always FNGs* around who didn’t know what they were doing and were a hazard to everyone around them. I almost got shot by an FNG once. Fortunately, he was a Democrat, so he missed me and hit an officer instead. Accidents happened all the time. Let me tell you, I didn’t give a fuck whether I got killed by the enemy or by one of our own guys, because you’re just as dead either way. I used to carry hand grenades everywhere I went because, you know, they come in handy in a tight spot — it’s an area-type weapon that takes out several of ’em at once, and it can also get people behind cover that you can’t reach with rifle fire. I loved my grenades. I didn’t sleep with them but I kept them in arm’s reach, know what I mean? But you gotta watch those pins. The only time you want the pin to come out is when you want it to come out, know what I mean? This is hard to explain to a retard like rob whose knowledge of war is limited to G.I. Joe comic books.
* FNG = Fucking New Guy who doesn’t know what he’s doing, has to be told how to do everything, and you don’t let him out of your sight.
in and out
Once the pin comes out, you gotta get rid of the grenade, or it’ll blow up in your hand and that’s not good. The guys who are really good with grenades cook ’em off. You couldn’t do that with Chicom grenades because they could go off anywhere from 1 to 5 seconds, but the American grenades were pretty reliable and if you cooked ’em off they’d kill you less than 5% of the time.
Here’s how and why you cook off a grenade. The standard-issue U.S. grenades have about a 5-second fuse. When I say “about” I’m not kidding, you don’t want to push your luck too much with that because, like I said above, it’s not good to have them go off while you’re still holding it. Your mother won’t appreciate getting you back in a cigar box stamped with “parts missing.”
American-made hand grenades have a spring-loaded clapper that strikes a percussion cap to ignites the fuse. The clapper is held in place by a lever, which is secured by a cotter pin with a ring eye. The ends of the cotter pin are supposed to be bent so the pin can’t be pulled out accidentally. When you’re going to use the grenade, you wrap your hand around the grenade so you’re holding the lever against the grenade body, straighten the bent ends of the pin with your fingers, and pull the pin out with your index finger through the ring. You’re then supposed to throw the grenade, and when you let go of it, your hand releases the lever, and clapper strikes the primer, the fuse ignites, and 5 seconds later — BOOOM!!! Shrapnel everywhere!!
That’s how they teach you in basic training. Trouble is, it doesn’t take 5 seconds for the grenade to get to the target, and the 2 seconds left on the fuse is plenty of time for the bad guys to pick it up and throw it back at you. Believe me, you don’t want them to do that. Besides, if you can get it to go off in the air, above their heads, it’ll be more effective than if it explodes on the ground.
Here’s how you actually use a grenade in combat, and don’t let the platoon sergeant see you do this, because you’ll catch hell for it. Like so many other things in the Army, what they teach you and what actually works in the field are 2 different things.
Firmly gripped the grenade, pull the pin. Cock your throwing arm. Release the lever and count — not too fast and FOR CHRISSAKES NOT TOO SLOW!!! — one, two. This is a really bad time to drop the goddam thing, so DON’T DROP IT. After you’ve cooked off 2 seconds of the fuse, throw it. You don’t want a line drive or a high fly ball, you want something in between, a kind of looping arc that will have the grenade about 8 feet in the air when it reaches the target and — if you timed it correctly — it goes BLOWIE!!!
A lot of guys can’t do this. They think too much about what will happen if they count too slowly or drop the fucking thing. Believe me, enemy troops shooting at you with intent to kill focuses your mind. If you want to live badly enough, you’ll cook off the grenade without even thinking about it, and it’ll be like riding a bike. Afterwards, if you’re still around to reflect on it, you’ll realize you didn’t even think about it, you just did it. That’s the right way to do it.
I did it once, and it was easy. As natural as riding a bike. But I wouldn’t want some dipshit like rob or that guy who blew up Max Cleland trying it in my presence. In fact, if I saw some FNG with a vest full of grenades with straight pins, I’d probably shoot the fucker for my own protection and those around me.
BULLSHITTIUM ALERT Pelletizer Post #56
Where was Kerry subjected to the terror of torture by the enemy? McCain was. For Pelletizer to make the comparison is BULLSHITTIUM.
End of Pelletizer PULLSHITTIUM Alert
Oh, Perfesser Darryl is still a punk.
BULLSHITTIUM ALERT Concerned Liberal Post #57
No POW returning from the Hanio Hilton complained they had panties on their head. Instead they had their arms torn out, their teeth shattered, their bodies stabbed in various places.
Please show where we’ve done that to any ARAB prisoner.
No, you can’t? Amazing the crap from a liberal.
End of Concerned Liberal BULLSHITTIUM Alert.
Perfesser Darryl is a punk.
MS Jennie Tlazolteotl says: “Another of those I-wish-I-were-quicker-on-my-feet moments:”
It’s okay; liberalism is a mental disorder. Synaptic responses are delayed. Mitochondrion operate slower.
It’s okay; liberalism is a mental disorder.
So why do you want to vote for the most liberal Senator for Prez?
LMAO!!! What a total fool you are!
Clueless Idiot: If you can’t figger out everyday liberalism vs. voting for someone for a reason you are truly clueless.
Wait a minute…… you are Clueless. You are an Idiot.
You are a Clueless Idiot.
Buddypud @ 181
You, uhm, realize that “Concerned Liberal” is a wingnut troll like you, right?
More confused rambling from a wingnut.
BO flapping his arms spreading his BO:http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4347#comment-746075
Yes with commentary like this Concerned Liberal is definitely a wing-nut.
You BO are truly Clueless. Keep up the good work.
Puddy remembers.
Hey BO, still spreading your BO with Concerned Liberal?
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4405#comment-751562
everyday liberalism vs. voting for someone for a reason
Do you have a good reason why YOU want to vote for a guy whose record is MORE liberal than Teddy Kennedy and Hillary Clinton?
You get it fool?
MORE liberal! MORE liberal! MORE liberal!
LMAO at your silliness!
Clueless Idiot: Are you daft? Yes he is teacher.
Can you remember my reason Clueless Idiot@188?
Hint: Clueless Idiot, I told you what all my siblings said too.
But, being the butt of HorsesASSHoles, you can’t remember.
Clueless Idiot: Looks in the mirror and starts LHAO at his own lack of synaptic response due to missing mitochondria.
You go on and on about “librulism”. It’s a mental disorder, blah, blah, blah, 16%er, blah , blah – all the standard right wing bullshit and then?
You want to vote for a guy who is MORE LIBERAL than
1) TED KENNEDY and
2) HILLARY CLINTON?
YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING JOKE!!!
LMAO!!!
Buddypud can’t even remember what he said earlier in any given day!
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4376#comment-749255
BULLSHITTIUM ALERT Concerne WingNutz™ Post #181
Please show me where and when you looked for such evidence.
Because I found plenty of evedence.
TORTURE EVIDENCE:
“There is increasing evidence that U.S. doctors, nurses, and medics have been complicit in torture and other illegal procedures in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay. Such medical complicity suggests still another disturbing dimension of this broadening scandal. ”
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/351/5/415
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/t.....efoia.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1202-28.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....lqaida.usa
BO flapping his arms venting his BO? Puddy remembers what he says not what you claim I said:
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4376#comment-749331
You skipped the most important point of Billionaire Sam Zell so here it is again for the 4th time. Why do you continually do that BO?
See ya BO. Keep venting that halitosis, body odor, crotch odor and smelly feet.
Harry headless lucy poon: Do you remember a poster from Texas from the conservative side? He was the original person who identified you as headless lucy. Go back a ways and search the blog. Look up your previous Winston Smith or Apache Fog posts.
Now show me where we have ripped arms out of sockets, stabbed them in the legs, thorax or abdomen, or gun butted their teeth?
See ya headless lucy.
Clueless Idiot@192: Why are we voting for Obama? Or, as I identified about your earlier today you are a Clueless Idiot?
You have no idea do you? Of course not that’s why you are writing this crap.
Good bye.
“Puddy remembers what he says not what you claim I said:”
It is not my claim Buddypud, it is EXACTLY what you said. It was even posted by you, and I just provided the citations, you dimwitted, delusional wingnut fool!
@180 “Where was Kerry subjected to the terror of torture by the enemy?”{
I never said he was. Get yourself a reading comprehension tutor. You need one.
Bullshittium Alert re #181: Puddinghead would hbave you believe the only thing American interrogators did to detainees (the vast majority of whom were innocent and had no useful information) is pull panties over their heads and flush the Koran down the toilet. That’s a complete crock. U.S. “enhanced interrogation techniques” have included:
Beatings
Dog bites
Electrical shocks
Drownings
Freezing
Sodomy
and have resulted in fractured bones and dozens of deaths. In short, the only thing missing from this sad litany of the same torture techniques that we hung Nazis for, is medical experiments.
Wingnut liars don’t want you to know the ugly truth: American torturers have sexually and physically abused prisoners, and have murdered prisoners.
@182 “It’s okay; liberalism is a mental disorder.”
Then what do you call the conservatives who condone torture and murder? Is that your idea of “normal”? Puddy, you have nooooo idea of how ridiculous you look.
@186 “BO flapping his arms”
Um, no, puttybutt, the arm flapper is … um … YOU.
Click here for photo of puddy strapping on his wings. http://tinyurl.com/2bx523
Pelletizer@199 you said : “Both of these guys are war heros”
That’s the equation between the torture of McCain and the scratches of Kerry. Kerry ain’t no war hero!
Good try though Pelletizer.
Pelletizer wrote: “flush the Koran down the toilet.”
http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000587.html
“From Reuters (Via YahooNews): Newsweek says erred in Koran desecration report.
Newsweek magazine on Sunday said it erred in a May 9 report that said U.S. interrogators desecrated the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, and apologized to the victims of deadly Muslim protests sparked by the article. …
[Editor Mark] Whitaker said the magazine inaccurately reported that U.S. military investigators had confirmed that personnel at the detention facility in Cuba had flushed the Koran down the toilet.
The report sparked angry and violent protests across the Muslim world from Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, to Pakistan to Indonesia to Gaza.”
Don’t let the truth stop you Pelletizer.
Facts and the liberal mind are diametrically opposed particles.
Pelletizer once again you can’t change the argument for your terms.
I asked “Now show me where we have ripped arms out of sockets, stabbed them in the legs, thorax or abdomen, or gun butted their teeth?”
Where’s the beef? Oh… it’s beef fat…
Poor poor little BO.
First I destroyed his claim on Concerned Liberal in #186 & #187. Now he’s left twisting in the wind on Sam Zell.
He can fathom this sentence: “Most of them are donkey lovers”
No where did I write “All of them are donkey lovers.”
Sam Zell, Billionaire, supported conservative candidates, which from thread #4376 I enumerated some of his financially supported candidates.
Keep up the great work BO.
You have been struck out!
Buddypud, you said most billionaires are donkey lovers, and that you would take the word of a billionaire over an academic. One has made it the other dreams it, you said. And you’d rather learn from one who’s made it.
Those are YOUR WORDS Buddypud. I can’t help it if you keep screwing up and forgetting what you said earlier, making yourself into a laughable buffoon!
That’s just the way it is. It is your lot in life to be a source of amusement for other folks.
But you are GOOD at it. Take pride in your buffoonery!