Two weeks ago, after Newsweek bowed to pressure and retracted a story that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo had flushed a copy of the Koran in a toilet, White House press secretary Scott McClellan continued his offensive against the media, demanding that Newsweek attempt to “repair the damage” it caused to the reputation of the United States.
“I think Newsweek can do that by talking about the way they got this wrong, and pointing out what the policies and practices of the United States military are when it comes to the handling of the Holy Koran. The military put in place policies and procedures to make sure that the Koran was handled — or is handled with the utmost care and respect.”
So then I suppose McClellan would encourage Newsweek to accurately explain our military’s “policies and procedures”… by covering a Pentagon report quietly issued late Friday, that documents similar such desecration of the Islamic holy book.
The latest confirmed abuses are contained in a report put together by Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, the commander of the detention center in Cuba.
They include: splashing urine on a prisoner and his Qur’an, stepping on and kicking the Qur’an, throwing water on it, and scratching an obscenity on the inside cover.
Oh. So they didn’t actually desecrate a Koran in the toilet, but they did splash pee and water on it. Well that’s entirely different. Man those moslems are touchy.
Or maybe I’m just taking all this out of context. Better ask McClellan.
On Saturday, a day after the Pentagon described a series of cases of U.S. personnel mishandling the Qur’an, the White House downplayed the issue.
“It is unfortunate that some have chosen to take out of context a few isolated incidents by a few individuals,” presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said in a statement.
Yeah. Um… eat me, Scott. I think former Clinton press secretary Joe Lockhart has you pegged on this one:
“I think on this issue, they fell into a trap,” Lockhart said. “They saw a way to push back on a damaging story by making it look like it was just out-of-control journalists, and now they’ve had to admit that it has happened.”
McClellan’s statements after the Newsweek report left an impression that no desecration at all had occurred at Guantanamo, Lockhart said.
“While the news organization got an example wrong, they got the practice right,” he said. “I think certainly the public is within their right, in this case, to believe they were misled.”
Misled by the White House, that is, not Newsweek.
Goldy,
“While the news organization got an example wrong, they got the practice right,”
In other words, the story was fake, but the implication was accurate. Sort of like our laws providing the presumption of innocence, but us smart reporters in the press know better. I sure hope more news stories like this come out…
NEWS FLASH!
Howard Dean screams!
Oops! Oh well, it was close enough…
okay…maybe i can put this in some perspective for you.
where were these BOOKS [and that’s all they are folks….just books] made? you think they were made in mecca? they were probably made by rotten infidels in this country or europe. they were already handled by “creepy” people.
and really….after all the beheadings and burnings and torture and flag burnings and riots and snipers and homicide bombers….
someone mishandles a stupid BOOK and OH-MY-GOD-THE-WORLD-IS-COMING-TO-AN-END????
get real………
did you write up a snarky commentary after they burned and hung those contractors from a bridge?
didn’t think so…….
perspective is a very very good thing………
Funny how you missed the best part”
Quote General Hood:
“revealed a consistent, documented policy of respectful handling of the Qur’an dating back almost two and a half years.”
And the most interesting part of your post…..Your quote:
“Oh. So they didn’t actually desecrate a Koran in the toilet, but they did splash pee and water on it.”
Too bad you missed the facts quoted (again)!
“He said he found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Qur’ans, including “attempting to flush a Qur’an down the toilet and urinating on the Qur’an.””
Notice that the quote from Gen Hood said the detainees were the ones that spashed urine on the Koran not the detainers.
Seems to me that the truth is a far cry from your post…you obviously are predisposed to bash America even to the point of misquoting the evidence you yourself presented….
You are a typical America bashing liberal and nothing more.
Read the full report next time before you post. The full story was that:
something like that did occur, then it was a complete accident.
Newsweek screwed up badly here. Not one part of the story proved to be true. Too bad, since the purpose of such trash was to drum up sympathy for terrorists and illegal combatants. Hard to do when the best example of torture was that a damn book was stepped on.
Is this blog for real? I mean Goldy seems to have a penchant for misquoting his own sources, making comparisons that are from the evidence supplied completely untrue and making assumptions based on those misquotes and untrue statements.
Here he is trying to do what? He makes statements like:
“Misled by the White House, that is, not Newsweek.”
When Newsweek themselves have admitted that the statements they made were wrong and untruthful it seems rather pathetic to try to prove them wrong…..unless you have nothing else but a hate America attitude I guess.
Cliff,
No, I don’t think it is a hate America attitude. I think it is more of a blind faith that anything this administration is accused of must be true, and even if it is not, we’ll find something close enough and trumpet it as evidence of (take your pick) willing incompetence, stupidity, evil, etc…
Goldy, You are a Jane Fonda commie lib traitor. Nothing more, and nothing less. Never will YOU ever were a uniform to serve this country. No, you prefer others to do the heavy work while you stay behind and bitch. You are a little weasel. JCH [LT, USN, 76-84]
Marks,
Blind faith? Blind faith in what? That America is evil and deserves to be hated by these people?
Cliff,
You are on the right track, but read what I wrote. It is not hate America, it is hate Bush (you may say this is the same, but I believe the distinction is important).
You should also understand that I am not anybody’s spokesman, just calling things the way I see them. If I got it wrong, somebody will be around to correct my errors…
It is not hate America, it is hate Bush (you may say this is the same, but I believe the distinction is important).
Comment by marks— 6/5/05 @ 3:31 pm
Exactly! If Bush says the sky is blue and that dems are the greatest thing since white bread they will all claim the sky is a nuanced shade of white and why is he being racist against wheat bread.
So you attribute it all to BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome)? What was the excuse before Bush was President? I actually do think that a lot of liberals hate America. They are brainwashed by the liberal elite and foreigners who have nothing to lose by fostering Anti American rhetoric.
All’s you have to do is listen to what they say…
Is the Bible just some stupid book? Will no one say a peep if we go in to all US prisons, take them away and burn them?
The White House lied. Again. McClellan was caught at it twice in a week, and had no answers for his lies.
And those who are wedded to their choice for President, continue their denials.
Outrage about Rather lying?
Outrage about Moore lying?
Outrage about Newsweek lying?
Outrage about NYT lying?
Outrage about Seattle Times lying?
Rather didn’t lie.
Moore didn’t lie either.
Neither did Newsweek.
Not sure what references you’re making to the NYT and ST.
OMG you can say that with a straight face?? I want to know what mind numbing KoolAid you’re swilling. It surely beats the stuff they are overcharging for in the state liquor stores.
Cliff @ 10
The only anti-American rhetoric these days is coming from the White House and the right, when they shrug off torture and human rights abuses, and make a whistleblower like Mark Felt out to be some kind of villian for reporting felonies committed by the President.
cat @ 14
if it’s true, it’s easy to say. What lies were told?
Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11
well hell, I didn’t so something right with the link
http://www.davekopel.com/Terro.....it-911.htm
Shrug off torture and human rights abuses eh? So you read about this in the press which gets their information from many many different investigations into the allegations and you claim that it is being “shrugged off”? If it is being “shrugged off” where do these reports come from? (Like the report Goldie misquoted)I suppose you also think the “gulag” comment by amnesty international was proper also don’t you?
How many people have died in Guantanamo?
How many limbs cut off?
Tongues removed?
How much work are the people in this gulag required to perform?
How many have starved to death?
How many Korans were flushed down the toilet?
Seems to me you would have a have a lot better chance of finding real abuse and gulag like conditions elsewhere instead of Guantanamo. Of course if you hate America anyway…..
tj @15
[…]make a whistleblower like Mark Felt out to be some kind of villian for reporting felonies committed by the President.
I have seen the many arguments on the Felt action. The only one I am prepared to rule on is the way he has been manipulated by his family into coming forward so the family can make a buck. The ruling is:
Yuck!
As for what his motivation was when he did it, I think they were honorable, for the most part. Reading Woodward’s take on it earlier this week reinforced my opinion…
And Mark Felt should have built a case and prosecuted Nixon not leaked information to the press………he was second in command at the FBI, he chose not to follow the law and do his job. I guess that is OK as long as it is for a good liberal reason right? Forget about the law get em anyway you can…
Cliff @21
While I agree, it may have been that Felt had no confidence in the Nixon AG’s (Richard G. Kleindienst (1972-73) Elliot L. Richardson (1973) William B. Saxbe (1974). Given that revolving door at Justice, I doubt I would have trusted anyone’s longevity there. Ultimately, it did not matter, as Nixon resigned. History has a weird way of making things moot.
Hey Cliffy-
Jes’ hold on a minute there, big fella!
Ol’ Tricky Dick was FIRMLY in control of everything except the FBI. The US Attorney General and the Assistant US Attorney General both resigned after Nixon fired Special Prosecutor Archibeld Cox. Nixon had complete control of DOJ. There was nothing that Felt (or the other “deep throats”) could do at that time given the obsessive control the Trickster wielded over his domain. Pretty much the same as Uncle Karl and Dickie (the REAL president) have now. Oh, there IS a big difference…instead of the MSM being MOSTLY a tool of the corrupt conservatives, the MSM is almost TOTALLY a tool. We’ll be damned lucky if Downing Street Memo EVER gets a hearing in Congress.
LIARS all, Cliff. Us Dems over here will cheerfully refund your outrage and send you back to the rightwing never never land where you won’t miss your Constitution ’till it’s gone.
Thanks for stopping by!
I find it hard to be “outraged” at some soldier’s urine accidentally being blown into a Koran, when we have the ACLU and leftists dipping crosses in urine and displaying it as public art. Apparently the only outrage is necessary when the religion is not Christianity.
Goldy,
You are such a good cherry picker, should you ever need a job, Yakima will always be an option for you if the radio thing doesn’t work out.
Yeah. The wind at Gitmo the last three days has been exactly ZERO MPH. So the WIND blew the urine onto the book. By accident I suppose. How about the US changing the way it does things instead of asking Newsweek to take the blame for our idiotic policies?
It’s time the media stood up to Monkey Face and the rest of the traitors in the Bush regime.
And by the way, the BIG LIE that the Newsweek story created all this turmoil in Iraq, Pakistan, etc., was just that. A lie. Created and crafted by Rove, there is not one scintilla of proof that Newsweek had anything to do with that violence. In fact, an aide worker in the area said the violence was because of low pay in the markets and a new government tax and the White House just took footage of that and made up the entire story about it being connected to the Newsweek story.
PATHETIC! These cowards are doing this in OUR NAME!
torridjoe @11…yes…the bible is just some stupid BOOK. it is not alive, it does not have feelings and if you get your knickers in a knot over that…then you have some big issues.
and PBJ…..great point…but these knotheads will never get it.
to this group…feelings ARE facts……..LOL.
Hey pbj-
What you talkin’ about! I ALWAYS have the pedophile priest bless the urine I use to dip my crosses in, doncha’ know.
stoopid goober.
PBJ @ 25
AMEN!
To All of You Concerned about a little urine getting on a Koran
Feel free to view first hand the horrific and animalistic beheading of innocent, non-military people by Zarkawi. The link to several of these video killings are available on the following website. I’ll warn you though, you may feel that your soul is a little darker once you see this evil first hand.
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html
Then scroll down to the “Know your enemy section.”
(I had posted this in the “litter-box section” however I thought it would be better suited for this topic.)
who the hell cares what zarqwi does? On what possible plane should we be discussing relative morals with him as a counterpoint? I’m talking about MY government–the one we ostensibly have some control over.
I’ve read the Moore “deceits,” more than once. There aren’t any lies in there, and almost all of them aren’t even deceits.
pbj, surely you do not believe this is about how the book feels. :rolleyes:
Comment on 6
The trouble is that nearly everything this administration has been accused of has turned out to be true, but I admit it is somewhat baffling to figure out whether they’re incompetent, stupid, evil, or all three.
Rachel Maddow comments on typical pentagon bad news dump scheduling: 7:15 p.m. ET, safely after network evening news on this “accidental” Koran urination through a cieling vent. Pentagon spokesman, Bryan Whitman, denied scheduling off hours news release: ” It was completed and we try not to hold these things after their reviews are completed”(…)
all righty then…
25
Our resident fucking liar pbj says: “we have the ACLU and leftists dipping crosses in urine and displaying it as public art”
FACTS, son, FACTS … let’s see some FACTS …
28
Yours is the mentality that also would think the U.S. flag is a rag, and use it as a doormat to wipe your feet on. However, know that some people (myself included) would be upset by that.
oh boy @ 22
Never pay any attention to what people say about themselves. But do pay attention to what they say and do…
Torridjoe,
Afraid to look REAL EVIL in the eye?
Zarqawi, would as easily remove your head as he would my head. He does not distinguish between left and right, he is OUR enemy! He hates ALL AMERICANS!
Go watch and listen to PURE EVIL, when you realize that the screaming does not stop until his victims heads are cut all of the way off, you will know what evil is.
Who knows, you might find it helpful to see, hear and feel the evil that is OUR enemy.
rujax206 @ 25
Likely story but Felt took the easy way out, he broke the law, he should be prosecuted.
Priscilla @ 35
Here are some of the facts….
In about 1989, The National Endowment of the Arts, paid $15,000 of our tax money, for something called the “Piss Christ,” by Andres Serrano. This was a photograph of a crusifix submerged in the artists urine and I believe blood. This taxpayer paid “art” was defended as free speech.
Ms. Priscilla-
The righties really stain their undies when they remember what they think they might have HEARD about a couple of photographers (Robert Mapplethorpe and Andres Serrano) whose art involved crucifixes and images of the Christ photographed in on or around human urine.
Apparently, because I am a political opponent of the right-wing neo-fascist theocratic right…manifested as the Bush Administration, and I believe in a FREE SOCIETY, and FREE EXPRESSION, I approve of, endorse, and engage in all sorts of…well, sick and twisted; art, behavior…you know the winger litany against people like, well…me (that I am actually sick and twisted is irrelevant to the point here).
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Voltaire
How ’bout the same courtesy, Wingers?
Cliff- So every whistle blower in every corrupt political system should roll over and let the bad guys do whatever they can get away with.
This guy was the insiders insider. He knew and gamed the system many time himself. He was in on illegal wiretaps and all kinds of dirty tricks against regular citizens. If he had thought there was any way to get around the nixonion chokehold do you think he would have done it?
nixon was dirty and deserved to go down.
Comment on 41
“How ’bout the same courtesy, Wingers?”
Sure Winger, so I take it you don’t care about what happens to the Koran either!! Should be a non story period!!
Normally, I try to promote peace and understanding of varied opinions as the pinko, hippie, leftist, commie college student I am, but I’ll take a partisan position today.
Good job lefties! This Qu’ran fiasco is horrible, and i’m very proud to see you fighting the good fight against these right-wingers. Seriously righties…are you just fighting this point because Goldy took the opposite point? You have no case, yet you try to get off topic and blame Dan Rather, the New York Times, and Michael Moore??? Wow…as a college student, I think you guys just flunked Debate 101.
42
Felt was not a “whistle blower” he was a law enforcement officer, one of the highest in the country that took an oath to uphold the law. Yes Nixon got what he deserved (well maybe less) but the path used to “convict” him was certainly impropor.
There were many many methods that Felt could have used to pursue Nixon but he didn’t use them, he took the easy way out.
cliff, name two.
bf @ 38
I’m not afraid, but I don’t give a rat’s ass about him. I’m concerned about what’s being done in MY name, not Allah’s.
These guys definitely couldn’t handle joining a fraternity.
Also, let’s just armor the outside of our Hum-vees with Korans.
Ruj@30,
Nice dodge attempt pal. So a preist being a pedophile is reason for putting the cross in a jar of urine and funding the project with public dollars. But Muslims sawing off people’s head is no reason for concern.
You are on screwed up motha fucka!
Joe@32,
“pbj, surely you do not believe this is about how the book feels. :rolleyes:”
I think you are confused. Please go read my posts again. Books do not have feelings, I never made such a claim. Please put down the doobie and pay attention.
So every whistle blower in every corrupt political system should roll over and let the bad guys do whatever they can get away with. -Comment by rujax206— 6/5/05 @ 6:36 pm
And I can just bet you don’t have that same standard for the election corruption in King County.
And I can just bet you don’t have that same standard for Linda Tripp.
Cany anyone say hypocrite?
Joe@16,
Do you ever get a new set of talking points? Where is the outrage over people getting their heads sawn off?
You see, when you liberals show constant “outrage” every time our enemy gets a stubbed toe yet are silent while the saw off Nick Berg’s head, that is where we get to thinking, maybe you leftists are against the country or something. I know, it is a silly assumption for us to make until we actually catch leftists attacking us on the battelfield. Oh that’s right, there if Johnny Walker “Taliban” Lind. Oh and lets not forget Susan Lindauer, the Democrat aide toe Sen Carolyn Mosley Braun who spied for Saddam.
On your marks! Get set! GO! and stay gone. How much of this perseverating idiot must we endure?
A few thoughts- re the Koran, we used to assert we were better than the bad guys, whoever they were. Apparently we do not care about that any more. Remember whatever we do to them, they will return in spades. They ARE evil. They’ve done horrible things to captives. Should we match them?
torridjoe @47
Great, given the chance, you probably wouldn’t have given a damn about Hitler either. After all, he wasn’t murdering people in YOUR name.
Let’s see… a few drips of urine on a book or a few sawed off heads of someones brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers or grandfathers all video taped so that their families could watch.
Would you be so upset over a few drops of urine, if it had fallen on the bible? or Moby Dick, or War and Peace, or Teen Magazine, or Sports Illustrated? If so, I had better warn my husband and son, who ,on occassion probably accidently miss the toilet and hit their reading material.
All in all, I have to say I agree with you. Let’s release murderers from prison, so we have room for book urinators!
After all, Ted Bundy did not murder and rape young women in YOUR name! God forbid … he may have urinated on the Koran, or a Bible, or ……
Re Felt- remember at that time Nixon was using the apparatus of government against his ememies. Remember the list? He was using the CIA, IRS and FBI. Maybe Felt was not pure as the driven snow, but he was opposing a government that was subverting the constitution.
bmvaughn@48
Great idea! Lets also offer to bury the remains of suicide bombers with pig entrails! I bet there would be a sharp decline in suicide bombers!
Standards for the treatment of captives are not meant to protect those captives. They are meant to protect ours when they are captured. If we assert that our need to protect our interests trump any consideration of those we hold, how can we be surprised when others apply the same standard? Our interest is doing anything possible to get the information we want. Their interest is doing anything possible to get the publicity they crave. If we have no limits in the pursuit of our goal, why should they?
reply@35,
If you do not realize that several years ago there was an art display in New York where a cross was in a jar of urine, then you have consumed too much koolaid. Go try google.
K@57,
That is all well and good when you are fighting against a country and they agree to the mutual respectful treatment. WHat country does AlQaeda represent? DId they sign the Geneva conventions? What is their uniform?
When they stop sawing off heads, then we can talk.
I stand by my comments. It’s not just them. It’s the next guys down the road. If we believe we can rewrite the rules to serve our interests, why should others feel any different?
K@55,
“Re Felt- remember at that time Nixon was using the apparatus of government against his ememies. Remember the list? He was using the CIA, IRS and FBI. Maybe Felt was not pure as the driven snow, but he was opposing a government that was subverting the constitution.”
Funny how you don’t seem to remember Clinton using the IRS for his own personal revenge. Google Craig Livingstone go read about Clinton’s “enemies list”
“Craig Livingstone headed and Anthony Marceca worked in the White House Personnel Security Office. In 1993, Marceca used Standard Form 86 to request and obtain a total of 707 FBI background files, most those of former White House aides in the Reagan and Bush administrations. Several were those of prominent members such as James Baker, President Bush’s Secretary of State, Reagan chief of staff Kenneth Duberstein, and former Bush national security adviser, Brent Scowcroft.”
You know what, I was not talking about Clinton so how do you have any idea my position on that? So do you believe both are clear to do whatever they wany when in power? You’re real quick to change the subject. Abuse of government power is wrong whomever is the culprit.
You right wingers are still exactly the same as Sinclair Lewis portrayed you. Go back to the SP circle jerk. You’re not needed here. You’ve said all you’ve got to say and what’s more your progenitors already said it for you.
Well isn’t this nice!
http://reuters.myway.com/artic.....TY-DC.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Despite highly publicized charges of U.S. mistreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, the head of the Amnesty International USA said on Sunday the group doesn’t “know for sure” that the military is running a “gulag.”
The typical liberal thought pattern:
1) Assume US is wrong and make accusations.
2) Ask questions later.
Reply@63,
Lucy,
You don’t run this blog. However I would be happry to stay at SP if YOU stay off there. Every liberal “incursion” to SP will be met be met with a counter incursion.
If you can’t take it Lucy, don’t start it.
pbj @ 64- This is your best defence? We have more than one prison. There has been evidenc ofmistreatment and deaths. From your link…
“… But there are some similarities. The United States is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons into which people are being literally disappeared … And in some cases, at least, we know that they are being mistreated, abused, tortured and even killed.”
There is no doubt these are bad people. I do believe we (at least most of us) are better than them. Are these methods advancind our cause or hardening the oppositio?
K@62,
“So do you believe both are clear to do whatever they wany when in power? You’re real quick to change the subject. Abuse of government power is wrong whomever is the culprit.”
It is not really changing the subject. It is, as you said as was, abuse of government power. Nixon was guilty of it as was Clinton.
If anyone thinks a Democrat run dictatorship woulf be any better than a Republican run one, they are sorely mistaken. The converse is also true.
I personally hope the Democrat can purge their extreme leftist that have taken over their party so they can make a credible challenge on the national level. As it is, they are a national party no more. This fact is directly attributable to the rise of the Vietnam Anti-War types to power in the Democrat party.
I would hope that both parties can move beyond their extremists. By most accounts, Clinton was politically a centrist. His flaws, and they were significant, were personal behavior. He was an absolute idiot in whole Monica episode.
A flaw of our system is that to win in the primaries, when the mainstream does not pay attention, the parties play to their extremes.
But the comment I was responding to was about Mark Felt.
Another flaw of our current political environment is that many (you included, I’m afraid) take any opportunity to launch from any platform into an attack on their favorite demon.
Enough for tonight. Early kid obligations.
Geez pbj-
Steroid use is REALLY dangerous to your health. It has side effects, too. Makes a person real testy. And mean.
Boy, I was sure sorry to see what happened to those poor guys that got on CLINTON’s enemies list. They prob’ly got a couple Mil and a lifetime supply of Cuban cigars from RM Scaife. Cripes. When did the Big Dog have time to put together an enemies list what with all that READING, and GOVERNING and blowjobs he was gettin’. You know…payin’ down that deficit and reforming welfare and all.
By the way pbj…I just plain seriously disagree with you and your stupid-ass narrow self serving view of the world. Any time the repubs are in power things get worse for the little guy…the working class American. Empirical, anecdotal, any kind of evidence. The fat cats get fatter. The suits get the collars to cow the masses. Marxism in reverse. Power to the plutocracy. Screw society…I got mine. The hell with everybody else. Polluters, War-Profiteers, pocket dictators, covert ops…worker exploitation, corporate crime, no prob, let’s go! Lets just start a war! Best way to make money! It’s a Neo Con.
Go read SP. It’s nothing but a big, happy Rep circle jerk. (Incursion? Are you nuts? Have you ever seen,”The Big Lebowski”?) Everyone else has been banned at SP. I’m tired of your repetitiveness. You have no heat. “Go away, kid, you bother me!” W.C. Fields
God Lucy, you’re rambling again… get back on your meds.
This alleged, possible, insinuated disrespect for a holy book held dear by murderers and terrorists seems more significant to the left than the horrednous events of 9/11 and subsequent beheadings of innocents …WHY?
This alleged, possible, insinuated disrespect for a holy book held dear by murderers and terrorists seems more significant to the left than the horrednous events of 9/11 and subsequent beheadings of innocents …WHY? -Comment by Baynative— 6/5/05 @ 10:43 pm
Because they can conveniently BLAME BUSH, which is their whole argument for any subject and their only reason to exist these days.
numskull @ 40
So how does the ACLU defending free speech turn into the ACLU “dipping the cross in urine?” Do you think the First Amendment only applies to stuff you like or agree with? The ACLU also defended the neo-Nazi’s right to parade in Skokie, but that doesn’t mean the ACLU endorses or agrees with their beliefs.
That’s quite a leap of logic you made there, son.
Reply to 45, what law did Felt break? What laws didn’t Nixon break? Enough said.
bf @ 38
What’s your point? Do you seriously believe (from listening to too much right-wing Kool-Aid Radio) that liberals like Zarqawi or condones what he does? He’s a terrorist, a murderer, and a monster. He needs to be dead. The sooner our military (or somebody else) kills him, the better.
Liberals remember we’re ALL Americans; why have you forgotten that we are?
pbj @ 52
Zarqawi sawing off heads doesn’t shock me.
Our interrogators hanging and beating people to death, does. Especially when they didn’t do anything.
There is almost nothing I can do to stop Zarqawi’s evil.
But I CAN in fact speak out about the evils done in my name.
Comment on 51
What you don’t get, Cat’s Smelly Butt — or maybe you do but rabid partisanship has made you (a) stupid, (b) a liar — is fine distinctions.
For instance, the fine distinction between breaking the law (Nixon) and not being able to do a job that lives up to other people’s expectations for lack of resources, skill, or things beyond your control.
For instance, the fine distinction between lying (Bush) and not being able to finish a job for lack of reosurces, skill, or things beyond your control (our troops in Iraq).
For instance, the fine distinction between pragmatism ground in science, facts, and reality (liberals) and fantasizing (wingnuts like you).
You guys belong in an asylum.
I meant to insert “Logan and KC elections workers” at the end of the second paragraph.
Priscilla….you speak the truth and it was spoken so eloquently. I should buy YOU a beer! Hey Goldy, can I transfer some of your paypal funds to her? LOL
Reply to headless lucy @ 80, yes they do, but there’s so many of them we can’t afford enough asylums so they’re allowed to run loose in society creating chaos everywhere they go.
Priscilla, Lucy-
You guys R A W K!!!!
fucking liar pbj @ 52
“you liberals … are against the country or something”
Go fuck yourself, you fucking liar — no, not just a fucking liar — go fuck yourself, you fucking lying anti-American unpatriotic piece of shit.
By the way, pbj, didn’t you (or Puddybutt, I can’t remember, doesn’t matter because you two are twins) have an appointment this afternoon at MLK and Graham? Nobody saw you there. Did you lose your calendar book? (“The Chicken Song” playing in background)
K @ 54
We used to be better than those scum, and most of us still are. Only wingos like pbj, puddybutt, caterwauling, et al. have lowered themselves to the level of our craven enemies.
Reply to 58
Broadly speaking, the goal of art is to get people to expand their capacity for critical thinking and broaden their perspective by inducing them to look at familiar things in new ways. Artists often are trying to improve the culture they live in by trying to change it.
Just as business startups, inventions, investments, and sports teams don’t always succeed, so too, sometimes attempts at art fail. Sometimes, what is offered as art, ideas, or culture is trash. The whole point of a free society is to let individuals separate the wheat from the chaff instead of having some government bureaucrat decide. There will be some failures, and there also will be some excesses, and some abuses.
The fact the ACLU defends the freedom that makes this process possible doesn’t mean the ACLU endorses the trash that inevitably appears in the public domain to test the waters.
But you’re too stupid and thick-headed to figure that out.
Or maybe pbj is anti-freedom.
#89 is meant for pbj @ 59, sorry
pbj @ 60
“When they stop sawing off heads, then we can talk.”
We’re not going to wait that long to talk about the arrest, detention, torture, and murder of innocent people by our own government.
We’re going to talk about that right now. Loudly. Constantly. For as long as it takes to embarrass or shame some sense into the thick skulls of stupid fuckers like you.
We’re going to keep reminding you that you voted for, and are an apologist for, the incompetent nitwits running our government who invaded a foreign country on false pretenses, bombed and killed 100,000 unarmed civilians, and arrested, detained, tortured, and murdered innocent civilians.
It would be one thing if you dipshits could actually catch a terrorist sometime. But you can’t. You scoop up the wrong people, then behave like Nazis in how you treat them, and you better believe it’s going to come back against our country and our troops in some ugly way. And it will be all your fault.
We’re going to hold you responsible for your evil stupidity.
From now on, liberals will never let Republicans forget they are the Torture Party. Fucking inhuman swine.
You Republicans are swine.
pbj @ 62
The reason Craig Livingstone wasn’t prosecuted is because he didn’t break any laws. Can any reasonable person possibly believe that Ken Starr, a guy with an axe to grind if there ever was one, wouldn’t have brought charges against Livingstone if there was any basis?
All you’re doing is reviving the discredited Vince Foster conspiracy theories. You probably think the Clintons had Foster murdered, too.
Here’s what the Union-Leader, which is hardly “the biased liberal media,” said about Vince Foster:
“No one in any official capacity is still investigating Vince Foster’s death. The Park Service Police, the FBI and two independent counsels — Robert Fiske and Ken Starr — all have signed off on the official suicide finding.”
http://www.davidstuff.com/political/foster.htm
End of story.
End of the Craig Livingstone – Linda Tripp story, too.
Comment on 63
FYI, pbj is trying to put Clinton in the same basket with Nixon. That dog doesn’t hunt.
Comment on 66
You’re welcome to stay here as long as you like, pbj, and while you’re here, we’re going to verbally beat the shit out of you, you sorry delusional lying unpatriotic anti-American piece of shit.
K @ 67
K, whatever you do, don’t overlook the fact a lot of the people in our gulag are innocent. They were arrested by mistake, or were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, are not terrorists, and have no useful information. And when we release them, they will go home hating us because of what our government did to them in captivity.
pbj @ 68
“If anyone thinks a Democrat run dictatorship woulf be any better than a Republican run one, they are sorely mistaken. The converse is also true.”
We don’t have this problem with Democrats. We do have this problem with Republicans. Only one of the political parties in this country has a Fascist mentality.
Comment on 74
Good God, another right-wing fucking idiot with his head so far up his ass it’s sticking out of his mouth.
The Q’uran is revered by several hundred million peaceful, non-terrorist, devout Muslims in whose eyes America is now a country of hillbilly rednecks, thanks to ignorant assholes like you.
Reply to 75
“Because they can conveniently BLAME BUSH, which is their whole argument for any subject and their only reason to exist these days.”
Guess what, none of this shit would be happening, if that Texas yahoo/crackhead wasn’t in the White House.
For the first time in history, people aren’t kidding when they ask, “Is the President on crack?”
Jeffw @ 83
I did show up at Drinking Liberally last Tuesday, and dj bought me a beer. Such contributions are always gratefully accepted and graciously acknowledged. However, Priscilla’s DL appearances are infrequent and never announced in advance, due to the traffic problems created by the large number of admiring fans, papparazzi, debt collectors, and process servers who follow her around.
The Pentagon’s latest excuses have all the credibility of a wifebeater telling police that “she fell down some stairs.”
The Pentagon’s latest excuses have all the credibility of a wifebeater telling police that “she fell down some stairs.”
Or the ass troll’s most favorite stand-by, “Well, she slapped me first!”
reply to 101
In reality, this is happening because of the appeasement attitude taken by the previous administration. You will notice that the folks who take to the streets to scream and burn in the name of peace are never there until brave men and women are forced to take a stand.
We have serious threats of future conflict building in Syria, Iran and N. Korea. But, no demonstrations, no peace marches, no ‘stop the build up’ campaigns are being organized.
However as soon as attacks begin on innocent third parties the left will be screaming that the attacks were provoked, the aggresors are expressing themselves and we should do nothing.
Published at a biased sourced (“Horrors! It’s the GOP: hand out/hold up the abortion tools to ward off those evil conservative spirits!”), but entertaining and TRUE:
Ask Me if I Care About ‘Mishandling’ of Koran
I realy have to laugh here! Since when did you folks worry about Religious items like the Koran in public institutions? Starting to get faith I see, not just the rabid right wing conservatives any more. Well I guess we are coming up on election time and transformations are a great part of the Left’s candidates. Talk is cheap, and especially in this next election season!
What’s funny here is the neo-conmen are DEFENDING a practice (torture) that not only does not achieve objectives (gaining of information) but also works against U.S. policy interests. They should read up on the techniques of Maj. Sherwood Moran, USMC. An account is available in the June issue of Atlantic Monthly.