You get what you pay for, and the Building Industry Association of Washington (BIAW) certainly bought themselves a nifty gift in Attorney General Rob McKenna. The other day I posted excerpts from a McKenna speech praising the BIAW’s efforts to overturn the gubernatorial election… an episode of partisan ass-licking made even more stunning by the fact that the AG is supposedly charged with defending the Secretary of State from Dino Rossi’s BIAW-backed lawsuit.
Well McKenna is the type of AG who backs up his words with actions… at least when it comes to pandering to his financial and political patrons. The BIAW spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on independent expenditures supporting McKenna’s election, and as partial payback he’s hired BIAW attorney (and former Sound Politics commentator) Tim Ford to a high-level position in the Solicitor General’s office… a position, by the way, for which it is not at all clear he is qualified.
According to the AG’s Communications Director Greg Lane:
The Solicitor General Team was created within the AGO in 1993 to provide the following services:
- Coordinate cases at the appellate levels in both state and federal courts, and conduct appellate assistance and review programs for the Attorney General’s Office;
- Coordinate the office’s involvement with cases in the U. S. Supreme Court;
- Be primarily responsible for the preparation of formal Attorney General Opinions;
- Coordinate the office’s involvement with amicus curiae “Friend of the Court” briefs in all courts;
- Carry out the Attorney General’s duties with respect to the preparation of ballot titles and explanatory statements, and represent the state in litigation involving the powers of initiative and referendum;
- Coordinate legal advice on issues of statewide significance;
- Chair the Ethics Committee, the office’s primary resource on matters of professional responsibility;
- Serve as the office’s liaison to the state bar association; and
- Serve as legal counsel to the Secretary of State, Lieutenant Governor, and the Administrator for the Courts.
Of course it’s the last bullet point that I find particularly troublesome, as McKenna has hired Tim Ford, an attorney for one the major forces behind Rossi’s lawsuit, to join Assistant AG Jeff Evan on the “team” responsible for defending the Secretary of State from the very same lawsuit. This is also the “team” that is charged with conducting cases at the appellate level, and thus will inevitably follow the election contest to the Supreme Court.
Now I doubt even McKenna would be so blatant as to assign Ford to this particular case. And my understanding is that with little or no appellate experience he is not really qualified to handle appellate cases at either the state or federal level, so he’ll probably just end up writing AGO’s and ballot titles. But it is both disturbing and telling that the AG would be so insensitive to the appearance of a conflict of interest, considering the extremely high profile of this election contest.
Make no mistake… McKenna is an unabashedly partisan politician with surprisingly bold ambitions. That he would pay back his patrons by hiring a BIAW attorney and Sound Politics commentator with dubious qualifications, is a clear indication of how he plans to use his office to advance his own political career.
GAWD Goldy…get a life!
Did you complain about all the nepotism in Washington state government the past 20 years perpetuated by your PINHEADED LEFTIST pals?? NO..of course not. Ford is a fine attorney I’m sure. You are just jealous because, among other things, you have no technical qualifications in anything other than running your fucking mouth….and looking like a complete fucking idiot on Carlson’s Show every day.
Did you expect McKenna to appoint you shitferbrains??
We need only look at his role models in Washington, D.C. I suppose Cox was nominated to the SEC job because he has a history of diligent regulatory inquiry into corporate corruption. Well actually he does in a way. His history is in protecting any and all corporations from regulatory inquiry and thus has been rewarded with the job of overseeing them. And we wonder about the brazenness of McKenna???
Goldy,
You mean like Gregoire, a tool of the mob run union boys, put the set aside for the union boys in all state contracts? Like that?
Is your antidote for finding all the malfeasance in Sims’ election department to try to invent some in the AG office.
How about audit of Gregoire’s hires? Is some NARAL or Emilies list attorney worse or better than BIAW? I mean morally, you guys pick your cronies, we pick ours.
Goldy,
Whipping up your base? That would be “free-basing” right?
Just in time!
Well if you find that so damn disgusting, how come you don’t raise hell about the Legal firm of Gates etc etc that gets paid for writing bonds for the state filing suit to slow down the NoNewGasTax.com. I suppose you don’t have any F’n problem with that special interest group getting involved do ya!
Na! I didn’t think so!
Ooooh. Listening to Goldy now. Poor Goldy. He is out of his class.
Dang. Even I feel sorry for you Goldy. Maybe you could tell a few jokes next time?
Or I suspect you have no problem with Sims hand selecting all the members of his Election review squad – And to top it all off hiring one of his campaign donors to head up the squad to boot (Ha Ha Ha almost can’t stop laughing, thinking what will come out of this (yet another waste of taxpayers money) group)
Oh Really…………..Pleaseeeeeeee
Oh oh. Goldy is now fuming about his conspiracy theory that it is all about “getting Ron Sims”. Sounds really nutty.
Tim Ford is a well respected and very decent guy.And what you are implying is really out of line.
Instead of all your truly silly conspiracy theories….maybe you could just look at all the people in King Kounty elections who have spent the last couple of weeks admitting that they didn’t do their jobs….Hmm???
I know…it’s a WACKY idea…but just try it. Reality is a really good thing.
As Attorney General, Chris Gregoire recognized that she represented the state of Washington, not her own partisan interests, in fulfilling her duties. Like any good lawyer, she put the interests of her client, the people of this state, before the interests of her political party. Accordingly, she often disappointed those of a liberal bent. McKenna has practiced very little law and does not appear cognizant of how representing an actual client can conflict with a partisan agenda. His background is purely that of a politician, and we cannot expect him to set aside that background as he performs his new duties. He will act with the arrogance, power-drunkenness, and tunnel vision that mark most contemporary Republican politicians. It’s so nice to have all the answers and not have to listen to anyone else, isn’t it, Rob?
Gregoire did not act in her client’s interest as AG. She cost the state $10 million as aresult of her office missing a deadline to file. And then it cost another $275,000 when she tried ot blame an underling for it instead of admitting responsibility herself.
pbj–
Correction…Gregoire cost us $800,000 when she tried to blame it on an underling.
Don’t forget Gregoire has her husband Mike and her daughter Michele on the GOV payroll.
One assistant attorney general, out of a staff of 500, failed to meet an appellate deadline from a judgment entered after a jury verdict. The verdict determined that DSHS employees, not Chris Gregoire, had caused millions of dollars in damage to three disabled men. The likelihood that the verdict would have been overturned by an appellate court if the appeal had been timely filed was remote, as judgments entered on jury verdicts in civil matters are rarely overturned. Firing an attorney who missed a deadline of that nature is hardly an unreasonable action for a manager to take. How you guys get that Chris Gregoire herself cost the state money, given these facts, is rather remarkable. By the way, why do Democratic leaders get blamed for underlings’ errors, but underlings are the only ones held accountable if going up the chain of command would reflect poorly on Republican leaders (e.g,, Rumsfeld held blameless for Guantanemo and Abu Ghraib)? A curious double standard seems to be at play here.
Tim Ford is a decent person and good attorney. Do you have a problem with Chrissy hiring her family and friends to state jobs? Jackass.
The next time I see some sanctimonious hypocrite of the right complain about the left using foul language, I will sned them directly here.
http://www.horsesass.org/index.....ment-34630
Hank–
Do I ever complain about foul language shitferbrains???
Assholes like you don’t like “feeling badly”…you have fragile psychy’s and god-forbid LOW SELF-ESTEEM.
Gee Hank, I wonder why your self-esteem is so low??????
Could it possibly be because you are a dumbass??? And waste most of your time on how mean people are??
Foul language???
How about some fowl foul language chickenshit!!!
Fuck you Cynical. And fuck your mother too.
Speaking of fowl Goldy knows his goose is cooked.
Why Rossi should not ever be governonor: Rossi know has a poor record on the environment, is a member of the religious right who holds extreme views—including, according to one newspaper article, belief that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools—and is a nasty campaigner.
These particular Republicans are sore losers,” says Lane. “It’s a handful of bitter people.”
Gwen Escher Derdowski, say Rossi fails the character test. Brady says Rossi sent operatives to disrupt his public meetings in 1992 and engaged in other unseemly campaign activity, including some ugly confrontations. Says Brady: “Integrity is my No. 1 issue.” After campaigning alongside Rossi for months, he says, “I wasn’t ready to jump in and endorse the guy.” Twelve years later, Brady feels the same.
But Rossi does enjoy the staunch support of the Building Industry Association of Washington (BIAW), the state’s biggest development lobby. The BIAW has spent $500,000 in support of Rossi,. The BIAW says Rossi backed its legislation an astounding 99 percent of the time in his seven years in the state Senate. In the same period, Rossi only voted for legislation backed by the Washington Conservation Voters 36 percent of the time
“He is too extreme on growth management and the environment
Rossi was supported by the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Because of the amalgamation between the religious right and the development community, it didn’t seem to be a party that represents the mainstream.”
Mrs. Right–
So now thatPrick has morphed into his 43rd identity.
How wonderful!
Wrong again Mr. Sinical :) Why Rossi should never be governor:
The BIAW has spent $500,000 in support of Rossi,. The BIAW says Rossi backed its legislation an astounding 99 percent of the time in his seven years in the state Senate. In the same period, Rossi only voted for legislation backed by the Washington Conservation Voters 36 percent of the time
Rossi is too extreme on growth management and the environment
Rossi was supported by the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Because of the amalgamation between the religious right and the development community, it didn’t seem to be a party that represents the mainstream.”
Comment by Mrs. Right— 6/2/05 @ 6:22 pm
Hey Cynical, am I a fine attorney too? Or does it just so happen you know Tim Ford a lot better than you know me? You don’t work for the BIAW too, do ya? Just curious …
I have an idea how we can settle this and make everybody happy. Get rid of Logan and put ME in charge of King County Elections. I’m acceptable to Gregoire (after all, I’m one of her loyal boot lickers) and Sims (I didn’t belong to any whites-only sororities) and I could use a cushy government sinecure to supplement my pension from my guvmint hack attorney past!
I’ll run an honest election department, too! Those Rossi felons have voted in King County for the last time!! And I’ll make those dead Rossi voters wish they were still alive!!!
As a loyal party hack, I’m acceptable to Berendt, too! I have all the qualifications necessary for the job.
Reply to 11
Listen, proud leftist, I hear ya but let me tell you something about McKenna — the cleaning lady in Vance’s office has more independent decision making authority than McKenna does. You don’t get ahead in the GOP by thinking for yourself, know what I mean? You bet your sweet bippy that McKenna answers to somebody — his immediate supervisor probably is one of the mid-level party staff in the Bellevue office. He probably has to clear his hires with Mr. Cynical over at BIAW, too.
Is it OK for a black man to drive an SUV? What about the environment? What about gas MPG? Or is it only a concern when a white Republican drives an SUV? Read on, as another rich Democrat disrespects the environment!!! [hehe] “Chacon and Abdool opened the unlocked door of the black SUV, retrieved the Vaseline and headed for Jackson’s bedroom. When Jackson opened the door to his bedroom, Jackson was wearing only his pajama bottoms, appeared sweaty, aroused and Abdool observed Jackson to have an erection under his pajama bottoms. There was a young boy, who he believed was Jordie, in the bedroom with Mr. Jackson.”
Mr. Cynical @ 1, get a fuc*ing life you ancient sack of sh*t. You have not made one decent or intelligent comment here in this forum for the past 4 months. Get a fuc*ing cerebral transplant and you might be able to accomplish matching the intelligence of a fire hydrant.
ingrate client @ 12
$4.5 billion tobacco settlement – $10,275,000 = $4,489,725,000 net proceeds to ungrateful jackasses like you. Let’s see divide that by 6.2 million people and that’s $725 for every wet nose in the state … or $2900 for a household of four … that’s taxes you didn’t have to pay, pal.
white whine @ 14
yeah but at least they’re working for their money, unlike Mr. Cynical who sits over at BIAW all day posting on HorsesAss while drawing his salary from L & I taxes intended for injured workers.
Comment @ 19
Regarding the second part of your statement, it appears somebody already did.
CG @ 10 ” I know…it’s a WACKY idea…but just try it. Reality is a really good thing.”
You are in the wrong party, Bud. The Repubs no longer accept a “Reality Based” veiwpoint. That is evident by every Troll post on this forum.
In my Constitutionally protected opinion, Ford is a punk with no qualifications for the job. I think the AG has demonstrated he’s a partisan to the point that we should start a recall effort. The right wing traitors aren’t the only people in Washington who start a petition going around.
Hey, maybe we should open a watch company to act as a front for the operation and see if we can make a bunch of money like Timmy did?
There is a man name Cynicle
to whom guvmint is inimicle,
and as he rants and raves
and LNI’s money he waves
at his buddy’s Vanse and Rossy,
their lawsuit Judge Bridges tossy.
i can do bad hemingway and james joyce too, do you want to see?
Interesting threads here. I just want to say that as far as Ford goes, don’t know him, but as long as he isn’t incompetent he should do just fine. What I’m not sure I understand is how most of the posts here are not pissed at the fact that your tax dollars are paying the salaries of the incompentent election officials. Would any of you pay people in your employ any money to be this incompentent or dishonest? I know I would not. They should all be tossed out on their collective asses.
As for right vs. left in this debate, I’m leaning towards the left breaking the law….radicals on both sides do break the law, but we have seen time and time again that liberal minded people do not show remorse for breaking the law for what they “feel” is right. So I have no doubt that ballot stuffing went on for Gregoire.
My turn.
First, RMK is the greatest Attorney General who has ever lived. He counterweights Nick Handy, well almost. At least for you all he isn’t in front of Judge Bridges kicking “tush”…
Second, NEWS FLASH: RMK has a new “AG Media Relations Director”. Janelle Guthrie. Formerly of the Senate Republican Caucus, rumored to have had a covert role in OPERATION LEVY BUST 2005 – the successful operation to sink the evil educational industrial complex scheme to – in the words of her former boss State Senator Finkbeiner, “raise taxes with the smallest possible vote in an off-cycle election”. Good girl and good RMK catch if the rumor’s true. Our good little Deep Throat :-).
Three, on his pledge card, he said, “I’ll protect consumers from fraud and I’ll always put you first – not the bureaucrats.” Maybe this explains it :-).
Fourth, again, maybe because he saw Nick Handy’s e-mail, he just had to counterweight that.
If this is all the dirt you have on RMK, then you haven’t got much to oust him with dudes!
Comment by Tired of it all — 6/2/05 @ 9:15 pm
As to, “What I’m not sure I understand is how most of the posts here are not pissed at the fact that your tax dollars are paying the salaries of the incompentent election officials. Would any of you pay people in your employ any money to be this incompentent or dishonest? I know I would not. They should all be tossed out on their collective asses.”
Do us a favor and e-mail that to dean.logan@metrokc.gov .
ONly thing wrong about McKenna is he hasn’t opened an investigation into disenfranchised voters in KC (yeah, i know he doesn’t have authority, but heck, who thought Elliot Spitzer would go after insurance companies)
Oh and Reagan.Dunn@metrokc.gov , too.
If memory serves, Councilman Dunn wants to kick Dean Logan’s tush even more than Judge Bridges.
or chrissie would perform a state sponsored organ removal of cash from the tobacco companies.. :)
Comment by righton — 6/2/05 @ 9:33 pm
Yeah.
I think we (as a state but not w/ the nation) made a huge mistake on 2 November.
Laura Ruderman as SecState would have done a much, much better job than that clown Sam Reed. And you all should join the recall effort.
Oh, that’s right: Where’s Laura?!? She’s not w/ Recall Reed. Not speaking to the press. Hmmm… maybe the GOP screwed the pooch and didn’t depose her.
Pardon my thinking out loud.
I just want to see if there’s any fish tonight. Or if my bait sucks.
Goldy, you feign outrage “McKenna is an unabashedly partisan politician with surprisingly bold ambitions”
Hypocrite; his predecessor was Gregoire; certainly political and also ambitious.
Find some better material.
This is painful to watch. All the Repub’s hoodwinked by the neo-cons, are just… drunkenly trying to salvage something out of this trainwreck.
I feel for you brothers and sisters. It is not too late. Yo can kick these assholes out of your party and become a real political party again. You do not need these hardened drecks dragging you down!
Clean up the Republican party and start anew!
It could be a brand new day for you… just reach out and make it happen!
If you trolls think “the greatest Attorney General who has ever lived” is so great why don’t you walk behind him kissing the ground he walks on?
Goldy, How does someone get to your level of retardation?
Is it genetic, association, or lack of oxygen. You and your
type will be the ruin of America. Why don’t you bastards
move somewhere else.
Echoes of 1960’s Death grasps of Goldwater “You and your
type will be the ruin of America. Why don’t you bastards
move somewhere else.”
Lord… the Republican party needs to do some housekeeping!
Comment by Priscilla— 6/2/05 @ 10:11 pm
Ha, ha, ha :-).
Look, I don’t have to do that to like the guy.
I just admire his populism – and for defending the Top-2 initiative and on May 27, joining the litigation “supporting a qualified reporter’s privilege to refuse to disclose confidential news sources”.
hmmmm @ 29 – Do that and this blog readership goes down by 70%. Why do you think people come here? For Patrick? (hehehehe)? Thomas Trainwinder? Chee? jpgee?
Come on, let’s hear the real answer. Why do people visit HA? ……. Be honest now.
Donnageddon @ 45
“I feel for you brothers and sisters. It is not too late. Yo can kick these assholes out of your party and become a real political party again. You do not need these hardened drecks dragging you down! Clean up the Republican party and start anew!”
Amen! Republicans were much more tolerable when they really were about fiscal responsibility. All this stuff about Deep Throat almost has me looking back at Nixon as “the good ol’ days!” of political foes. How weird is that????
er – What I meant in 50, and it is late, is that if Mr. Cynical leaves, this blog shrivels up. Even pictures of angry liberals with heads exploding and the introduction of the always reverant Shantmai won’t do any good.
Zapididoodah, If every troll left this forum of truth, the visitation would decline. It is like a bug “zapper” once the delusional pests leave… the thing does not zap as often.
It will then just become a source of information, without all the neocon noise background.
But I would prefer to talk to some REAL Republicans, rather than the neocon crazies.
Them’s the blue letters and smileys!
dj “All this stuff about Deep Throat almost has me looking back at Nixon as “the good ol’ days!†of political foes. How weird is that????”
I know what you mean. Nixon actually signed the bill for “Earth Day” and I believe he meant it. EPA… started with Nixon.
Don’t get me wrong Nixon was a warped psycopath, but he was Ghandi compared to the evil cobal now representing the Rep Party!
zapporo @ 52
I agree with you. I started coming to this blog to read Goldy’s posts (and still do). But, the comment threads here certainly offer a lot: they are challenging, infuriating, gratifying, educational, horrifying, and funny. Mr. Cynical, in particular, is an acquired taste, but once you get to understand him, he genuinely adds in many ways (as do you).
(Geez. . . did I really say all that? I didn’t think I had that much to drink!) :-)
@52, Republicans were much more tolerable when they were Republicans. They arent Republicans anymore and that’s the whole problem.
Donnageddon @ 56
“Don’t get me wrong Nixon was a warped psycopath, but he was Ghandi compared to the evil cobal now representing the Rep Party!”
Well put, Donnageddon! Well put.
Riddle me this libbies, if the court does as you hope and leaves this Cannot Understand Normal Thinking person as governor….will it still be a model election?
I notice that http://soundpolitics.com has more new bloggers every day…this one stays with the same old morons…excluding of coarse the conservatives…what gives?
Chuck @ 59
At one level–the per-ballot rate of errors–this election is not “model”. It is just a typical election with a lowish rate of errors.
At another level, the Washington Law is a model for the nation. We have a nicely prescribed set of procedures for recounts and and election challenge. The procedures ensure reasonabally rapid certification following any manditory or optional recounts. The election challenge laws ensure that an election with demonstrated fraud or grave errors can be systematically overturned.
This latter aspect is not sullied by the fact that the GOP could not prove fraud or election-changing errors. (Notice how I presume the contest will not go to Rossi here) :-)
dj@61
And if the shoe were on the other foot? I can honestly say that I would honestly want a revote/new election…know why? I always want the peoples input on government matters, as often as possible. I sign initiatives that I dont buy into so the people will have a voice. I am a people guy, and trust the average guy given all the facts than government (we are from the government and we are here to help…give me a break)
@60 – you’re still here
DJ; too much Pinot Gris last night? A model election (the procedures etc for recounts). That’s the silliest thing in this entire blog. We have evidence the counts were a mixture of finding new ballots and then also recounting, we have testimony of falsified reports, etc, but the law only allows a challenge on proving fraudulant votes would have gone our way. Of course the last is the worst part; how do you prove who a dead person or a doulbe voting person would have voted for.
The SINGLE worst part of this whole thing is a broken logic path to figure out if the counts were accurate, and then an illogical standard of fact required.
Maybe a cup of cofee (fair trade mayan) will help you out.
dj@57–
I guess I am an acquired taste. The LEFTIST PINHEADS who eat too much free-range tofu and drink too many chlorophyl and organic garlic cocktails have ruined their taste buds I suppose. Let’s face it…I’m no organic veggie eating nutcase (although my wife is the consummate salad maker with shit in there that I can’t begin to tell you what it is and makes me eat it every night) along with something that USED TO HAVE A FACE ON IT!! Our ancestors didn’t spend the past milleniums fight their way up the food chain to surrender to a bunch of beet-eaters!!
Zap–
I am headed out for breakfast with some REAL Democrats…the Truman variety…who all voted for Rossi and Kerry and are disgusted by the other DINO’s who masquerade as Dems because they are too embarrassed to admit they are Socialists and Marxists!! I really think the 43 personalities of Don/thatPrick/Alan/Prissy/Donnageddon/dubyaSux/37 others is the most annoying plague on these blogs. I think that rock-bottom is when DonSux carries on a conversation with himself (as he often does with his 43 identities) and tries to fool us into thinking their are people foolish enough to agree with him!!!
So donnageddon if Mark Felt is a cult hero to the left for leaking to the press illegally instead of telling the issues to the highest law authorities, where in your mind is Linda Tripp?
And you and your gang love to bring up Abu Ghraib, when it was country yokels like yourselves, save Patrick on this one, who did the dirty work? Let’s blame Rumsfeld, Let’s blame Bush. Rumsfeld didn’t order those people in naked pyramids. Charles Granier and his buddies did. Yes some CIA types were involved, but who runs the CIA, Rumsfeld?
Do you dummies remember Somalia where Secretary of Defense Les Aspin didn’t support the troops in Mogadishu? Some very brave men died (two received CMoH decorations posthumously) because their defense secretary decided that they were expendable and he didn’t send in heavy armor to save them. He took the fall. What he did way overshadows anything that happened at Abu Ghraib because the decision NOT to send in the heavy armor was made by him. Did you see Black Hawk down? It was almost right! What is it with you all and Abu Ghraib? You guys can’t let it go. So since you brought up Nixon, I decided to clear the air on another whistle blower Linda Tripp.
It now is known that Linda Tripp’s confidential file was among the more than 900 FBI files that the White House illegally obtained in 1994. Linda Tripp is famous as Monica Lewinsky’s friend who taped their conversations about steamy sex in the Oval Office and Bill Clinton’s perjury, witness tampering and subornation of perjury. Didn’t Wild Bill pay an $89,000 fine? Didn’t Wild Bill lose his law license over this? Didn’t Wild Bill say “It depends on what the meaning of is… is?” Didn’t Wild Bill’s nose grow like Pinochio’s while he was in front of the camera saying “I didn’t have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky…”?
So why was Linda Tripp’s FBI file invaded way back in 1994 when she was an anonymous mid-level White House staffer? Because she was the last person in the White House to see Vince Foster alive the day he allegedly drove to Fort Marcy Park and shot himself. Vince offered the M&M’s from his lunch tray to her before he left.
The man who pulled Linda Tripp’s FBI file was Craig Livingstone, the former White House security director. The reasonable conclusion is that Livingstone was looking for something to use against her, some leverage to make certain she would back the White House version of the Foster suicide. It was shortly after this that Ms. Tripp was transferred against her will to the Pentagon. So she befriends Monica Lewinsky and tapes her Lewinsky conversations. And what did your side say? What is her motivation? Why would she do that? Because she knew it would be her word against the Clinton Machine. She won! That’s why we like her like you all like Mark “Deep Throat” Felt.
Charles Colson, the Nixon aide in the Watergate affair, was sent to prison for searching one FBI file. Yet Craig Livingstone never has been indicted, let alone convicted, for illegally obtaining more than 900 FBI files. Today, Livingstone lives in sunny California and works for one of Bill Clinton’s big campaign contributors.
So I ask you donnageddon and your hapless son jethro, why did Craig Livingstone get a free pass and Chuck Colson do hard time? Because you democraps turn a blind eye to wrong doing when it’s your side!
There is an old Hebrew saying: “If a man is destined to drown, he will drown even in a spoonful of water.” This holds true of Nixon and Clinton. You praise Felt, we praise Tripp.
Pudster
Here is a condensed list from the Internet. There are many more!
Be a democrap:
Help us Make America Dumb and Weak
Tyrants and Socialists who care for you!
Vote for us or disappear like an intern or Vince Foster!
If you don’t like us you are a Nazi!
We’re way smarter than you, so let us spend your money.
YOU PAY, WE PARTY
We take the W from the white house computer keyboards
We’re so compassionate, we give YOUR money to the poor (er, whatever’s left)!
Give us your tired, your weak, and your poor, we’ll make ’em worse off.
BILL CLINTON WAS JUST THE BEGINNING. Hilary will be next.
We will cry, scream, lie, divide, threaten, demagogue and pout for your rights to get other people’s money.
Your Money: Our Agenda…..
“What?….You got a problem with socialism?”
Because You’re Too Stupid to Think For Yourselves.
We’ll give you more of other peoples’ stuff…
We just want control over every aspect of human thought and endeavor.
The best politicians money can buy.
Kompassionate Kleptomaniacs
We Don’t Know What We Want, But We Want It Now.
The Party of Rape, Treason, Corruption & Totalitarianism.
We are NOT socialist! really!
Kill a child–Pro-choice; Education Vouchers–Anti-Choice
Think globally, act stupid.
Let’s face it. They suck.
Putting the HIP back in Hypocrisy
Don’t laugh, your daughter may have been intern here. If Hilary wins, keep your sons locked up!
It all depends on your definition of the word “party”
Lying Under Oath Since 1992
More presidents impeached than any other party!
Because you owe us.
open minded as long as you agree with us!
From Washington to Clinton, proof that human progess is not inevitable (with thanks to Henry Adams)
All your money and possessions must be checked at the door
Proving you can fool all of the people all of the time
Hey, if such fine and honest people like Patricia Ireland, Dan Rather, and Alec Baldwin like us, why can’t you?
Keeping Roger Clinton out of politics and at the buffet since 1993.
Making Dick Nixon look good since 1993.
The Death of Truth.
We spend your money, so you don’t have to.
“All of your rights are belong to us!”
Agree with our agenda, or it’s off with your head!
Motto of the California Democratic Party (Think in James Earl Jones’ Darth Vader voice): “Now you know the power of the Dark Side!”
Pudster
Pudster: wasting logic on these morons….
Here is the pertinent information on Aspin: In September General Powell asked Aspin to approve the request of the U.S. commander in Somalia for tanks and armored vehicles for his forces. Aspin turned down the request. Shortly thereafter Aideed’s forces in Mogadishu killed 18 U.S. soldiers and wounded more than 75 in attacks that also resulted in the shooting down of three U.S. helicopters and the capture of one pilot. In the face of severe congressional criticism, Aspin admitted that in view of what had happened he had made a mistake, but stated that the request for armored equipment had been made within the context of delivering humanitarian aid to Somalia rather than protecting troops. In an appearance before a congressional committee to answer questions about the Somalia disaster, Aspin made an unfavorable impression and appeared weak in response to the detailed probing and criticism of his performance. The president publicly defended Aspin but made clear that the White House was not involved in the decision not to send armor reinforcements to Somalia. Several members of Congress called on Clinton to ask for Aspin’s resignation.
http://www.explore-biography.c.....Aspin.html
http://www.netnomad.com/powell.html
Pudster
Righton: Because these lefties have to understand the big picture, not that stuff shoveled by the MSM.
Pudster
I got an e-mail from the Evergreen Freedom Foundation that outlines how a teacher can prevent the union(WEA) from using a portion of the teacher’s union dues to support political parties. Sometimes it’s better to fight fire with fire. If this is legal, then it must also be legal for taxpayers to figure out how much of their tax subsidies to business go to campaign contributions to both parties and force corporations to mail out individual refund checks to each and every taxpayer who objects to these contributions on “religious grounds”, just as the EFF recommends they do for unions. In addition, business should have to contact the other taxpayers every 6 mo. to see if it’s still O.K. with them for business to keep using their tax subsidies to contribute to political organisations— like the EFF. Thanks for your groundbreaking help in destroying one of the last vestiges of influence that the common man has. As you can see, I am returning the favor to you. Who was it that made that analogy about planting a mustard seed?
Puddybud: A President directly involved in Running his own secret police force to illegally influence and change the political outcome of free elections is someting you see in Fascist states—-which is why you can’t see the difference between that and a b.j. It’s because you think like a fascist and your values are anti-democratic and anti-American….
Lucy: This is an olive branch? When Clinton was in the White House he emphatically stated he would veto this. Labor unions are still definately against this. And you call this destroying the the last vestiges of influence? Who is wielding the influence? Party bosses who run the unions? The common man in the unions? So now when more and more people understand how their union dues are being used by their mother unions you say this is a good thing, people should be able to say no? Congratulations, headless one, you win a gold star today. :P
But I am still curious? Two questions:
1.) Are you at work posting on govmint time, using govmint systems?
2.) Cat and I are still waiting to read about your charitable contributions answers to our questions regarding us mean-spirited, crass, nasty, vile, hate-filled Republicans but caring of the poor, troubled, hurting common man.
Please answer these pertinent questions or stop your hate filled bile against us. Another wonderful proverb is: “אם אתה אי פעם צריך יד עוזרת אתה תמצא אחד בסוף היד שלך.” “If you ever need a helping hand you’ll find one at the end of your arm.”
Pudster
Puddybud: You are a blithering idiot. Go read my posts over ten times ’til you can see what they’re about. It is so obvious to everyone else that you have no understanding of what the phrases “personal responsibility” and “private property rights” mean except in terms of some warped Orwellian twilight where yes means no and no means yes. Where owing fealty to corporations even when they cause more damage than wealth they create is allOK in your mind because yougave some poor people a box of your old junk in the name of Jesus.
Lucy; you are the Nazi!
You’re a towel!
Have you figured out yet that Windows is plural. You can be working in more than one. A current events unit on political blogging is one of my projects. They are very popular with students.
In the sixties when democrats in the deep south were methodically manipulating the voting process to disenfranchise Blacks and contol election outcomes the Federal government stepped in and elections was management was taken away from corrupt party machines and turned over to Federal Judges and others.
Maybe it would make sense to at least have licensed and bonded independent auditors be put in charge of vote collection and tabulation. Partisan volunteers and political appointees are proving that election results are not factual in Washington State.
Chuck @ 62
“And if the shoe were on the other foot? “
I would be unhappy that my candidate lost (believe me, I’ve been through this). But, if I take the number of known errors and divide by the total number of votes, the error rate still comes out low compared to other such elections. Having a hand recount, of course, is partly responsible for this low error rate.
”I can honestly say that I would honestly want a revote/new election…know why? I always want the peoples input on government matters, as often as possible.”
Then I would recommend you work to change the laws to make runoff elections possible. Right now they are only possible every four years!.
Righton @ 64
”A model election (the procedures etc for recounts). That’s the silliest thing in this entire blog. We have evidence the counts were a mixture of finding new ballots and then also recounting”
Finding new ballots is one of the important reasons for a recount! When elections are not close, the normal slop in elections doesn’t matter. The hand recount, in particular, requires handling each ballot and verifying (or correcting) the machine’s interpretation of voter intent. That reduces errors and converts overvotes and undervotes into a vote for the indented candidate. That is, the voter’s intent is properly recorded.
”we have testimony of falsified reports, etc,”
“Falisfied report” is an exaggeration. Indeed, Ms. Way made a bad decision in estimating a number on an administrative report (she copied the number from the KC web site).
Do you seriously believe the elections should be overturned because an administrative report had an incorrect envelope count? Also, wouldn’t that error invalidate all of the statewide and KC elections? Yikes!
”but the law only allows a challenge on proving fraudulant votes would have gone our way. Of course the last is the worst part; how do you prove who a dead person or a doulbe voting person would have voted for.”
The law allows over-tuning on proof that either errors or fraud resulted in the wrong person being elected. The intent of the legislature (including Rossi, who helped put these laws in their final form) was to finalize the election, unless there is proof that the wrong person was put in office. This seems to be an entirely reasonable way to run a state. But, if you don’t like it, work to change the law.
”The SINGLE worst part of this whole thing is a broken logic path to figure out if the counts were accurate, and then an illogical standard of fact required.”
So long as we have a secret ballot, it will be difficult to find evidence of errors. But, just because the GOP legal team couldn’t find direct evidence, doesn’t mean such evidence could not be found. Why didn’t the GOP count the KC absentee envelopes (as Richard Pope suggested long ago)? Why didn’t the GOP get a survey specialist involved in their investigation to help find out how the illegal voters (esp. felons) voted?
Without requiring proof that fraud or errors actually changed the election, we will forever have a series of elected officials thrown out of office after 8 months because of suspected errors. That is no way to run a state.
”Maybe a cup of cofee (fair trade mayan) will help you out. “
I am enjoying a cup o’ joe, thanks!
Baynative – Excellent point. I am not sure that would absolutely solve the problem, but it would certainly help. Also, we may want to institute an automatic second count, regardless of the outcome, just to ensure that the count was accurate, and to figure out how to do it better next time.
Oh Headless, I have read you posts on HA and SP. You deflect divert, and obfuscate the issue. You have no answer to charity becuase you are not charitable. Who cares about what you think? You waste our tax dollars every day you go to work. Orwellian thought, I guess you need a refresher course. He wrote two tomes on totalitarianism. Isn’t that what the democraps preach? “It’s our way or the highway. You must accept our thinking how to spend your tax dollars and don’t question us.”
I commend you and you call me a blathering idiot. Wow there is a pond leap if I ever heard one. Who said I gave useless junk? And if I did give “useless junk” as you claim, you have not given anything!!! Charities who only accept cash don’t take junk. Charities that answer to natural disasters don’t take junk. You claim to be so positive on personal responsibility, well I am still waiting on your charitiable contributions. That is part of personal responsibility but you seem to forget that part! I bet I gave more in one year in $$$$ alone than you have done in your lifetime!
You worthless dolt – headless speak! You claim to be for property rights, well where do you stand on Ron Dims CAO? I am against it. You just corrupt the young minds in the Seattle School District children spouting off worthless commentary about the world when your frame of reference is the city of Seattle. Get out and see how the poor live in Asia, South Africa, Latin America, and Eastern Europe and then maybe, just maybe you will open that locked wallet and spend a few $$$ of poor people instead of lox, pinot noir, and brie for yourself!
Pudster
Headlice…
Glad you’re popular with your students, because you’re definitely not popular with anyone of your own age group,
Or anyone who’s not of an extreme leftist persuasion…
:~\
If you Rep bloggers are retired geezers that means you are using MY money to blog on and you’re using MY roads to drive on and your buying MY subsidized farm goods to eat and I want to tell you what’s right and wrong and what’s a valid use of your time.Look at yourself in the mirror in the morning as you brush your teeth with MY water that came from water trapped behind MY dam. I guess you still an idiot still.
Sorry, not retired and I unfortunately pay part of your worthless salary as I own my own business. Doing fine Praise the Lord! I wonder how much of the labor and industries tax is deflected by the democrapic legislature to pay for worthless lucy’s salary. Just speculating.
Why can’t you admit you are not charitable. I bet Al Gore gives more to charity than you and his threshold is $353. At least Bill and Hilary give their used panties to charity.
Pudster
Sorry, Headlice!
I’m about 25 years from retirement (thanks to leftist social security policies), and I don’t suck on the teat of government employment/welfare. I have a major problem with you blogging “on the clock”, as it takes away from your charged duties which are being paid for by MY dime. Do your f’ckin’ job (and I don’t mean indoctrinating the chillun’s with your warped ideology). It’s people like you that put Washington near the BOTTOM of the list of the 50 states, as far as education goes. WASL me this: Where does political blogging fit in with the 3 R’s? Is blogging a required skill for entrance into college? Or, is it convenient in that it dovetails with your defrauding the citizens of WA by spending classroom time spewing and fulminating your tripe on the web?
To whatever your response is… bite me!!
Here are two other headlice rants that the WA Post has blown up in her face.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....tml?sub=AR – Headlice:”We killed 10,000s Iraqis.” WA Post article – Well how many Korans were blown up by other Arabs?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02158.html – Headlice:”Tom DeLay is a crook. He took money from a crook” WA Post -Harry Reid and Patrick Kennedy got funds from the Tom Delay “buddy”. What? oh no!
Pudster
And all those Southern Dems joined the REps.Ever heard of Nixon’s Southern Strategy?
I donate to charities and get a tax break. Churches don’t need breaks because they DON’T PAY TAXES—-although they do interfere in politics. So why don’t you take your church and your religion that are subsidized with my taxes and don’t so much as sqeek about it lest you lose your tax exempt status when we regain the upper hand. Your party just reneged on the federal money that was meant for N.Y. to rebuild and take care of health problems from 9/11.So you better pack another box of your old junk, bless it in the name of Jesus, and ship it off to N.Y.
It’s refreshing to see commentary in this forum that is not removed by some Nazi moderator (unlike SoundPolitics). All you right wing nut jobs who spend your afternoons listening to Hannity’s bullshit and then Carlson’s bullshit, isn’t it nice you can post without being banned? Just try that over at Soundpolitics where they don’t even have any written policy on what gets you banned!
And what list would that be, Brian C? The one that puts Texas near the top? Answer me this. Does the study you refer to rely upon “anecdotal evidence” rather than actual achievement on test that MEASURE achievement. Go back to SP where you can censor people you don’t want to hear. And don’t throw no tax-free religion in my face.
Good for you headless, you finally admit you send something for charities. It took you all of 12 hours to admit this to us. Unfortunately I and probably others don’t believe you at all. In the words of patrick and dj, you are a liar. In the words of dj, et. al. prove to us who you send your tight wadded $$$ to. Not all my monies go to my church. And 65% those $$$ that go to my church don’t stay in my church but go into the field.
Again you love to deflect, divert, and obfuscate. What does 9/11, my party, and NY have to do with the personal responsibility argument except me personally sending monies to disaster relief agancies.
Regarding the churches interfering in politics, I already gave the link to you regarding the Miami church under FBI investigation for Kerry, Edwards, Jackson, and Sharpton talking about the election from the pulpit.
Man, Jenny Durkan keeps interrupting and keeps getting overruled!!! Awwwww!
Pudster
Tim, whom else did Stefan ban? Stefan is in Wenatchee at the trial. I guess his answer will have to wait.
Regarding Nixon’s southern strategy, I am not well versed in it. But I do know if the democraps stayed the JFK course, or even Scoop Jackson’s course your party would be more palatable to those “southern” states today than it is.
Pudster
PuddyButt @ 88
You sure seem to have problems keeping your facts straight.
“In the words of patrick and dj, you are a liar. “
Oh???? Where have I called another poster a liar on this forum?
“In the words of dj, et. al. prove to us who you send your tight wadded $$$ to.”
I have never pressured someone to reveal private information on this forum. Many of us value our ability to remain anonymous (for whatever reason) and therefore carefully limit the amount of personal and private information we are willing to post. Consider respecting that.
In fact, Goldy has, in the past, reprimanded people for repeatedly asking (to the point of harassing) individuals about posting personal information.
To quote you, Pudster, “‘Nuff said.”
Sorry dj I was watching the trial. Yes you have dj. You called me a liar when I posted some information regarding donna brazile? Don’t you remember that?
Pudster
Brian C @82 and others:
Headless Lucy cleans TOILETS!! Unfortunately she became addicted to eating those Urinal Biscuits and they have caused severe mental deficiencies (as are clearly evident). She is also suing the School District due to a lack of a warning label on the Urinal Biscuits.
You are in danger with Lucy because if she finds you and shoots you, she will certainly get off using the Twinkee…..errr, I mean URINAL BISCUIT EATING DEFENSE!
Multiple posts time:
Regarding private information, all headlice has to do is say I gave to x,y,z. I don’t care if she abbreviates or not, it’s just from her rants I don’t believe her. I recently got my second call from a group that drive big red trucks to put out conflagations. We regularly give money to a group of these people who drive big red trucks. Did I tell you which city, county or state? No, but you can imagine what the group is. That’s not personal information.
I appreciate the fact you are trying to give headlice cover, and she needs a big tent for cover with her Tom Delay and other rants the WA Post kills for us.
Pudster
Oops conflagrations. Sorry for the misspelling
Pudster
Mr. Cynical: You’re as funny as a beer fart after eating a pickled egg.
Puddybud:
Tim, whom else did Stefan ban? Stefan is in Wenatchee at the trial. I guess his answer will have to wait.
He banned me and he banned others as I have read about in these forums. Who knows how many else he (or whoever is managing that aspect of the website) banned. Pathetic really. Not that unusal though.
Tim: I don’t agree with banning people except those on the public teat using public infrastructure, to diss public officials. But as someone yelled to me earlier this week, this is a private blog! You should email him and ask why. His email is right on the main page of SP.
Pudster
Everytime I burn you with superior argument and facts you go on a personal attack binge that seems(you think) to obscure the fact that you’re a blithering idiot. None of your attacks have anything to do with what you feel is right or wrong but is only backpedaling to try yo obscure the fact that you are all morons. You’d be doing all your posting on SP but I guess even you can’t keep it up forever in that endless Rep circle jerk.
Tim: I don’t agree with banning people except those on the public teat using public infrastructure, to diss public officials. But as someone yelled to me earlier this week, this is a private blog! You should email him and ask why. His email is right on the main page of SP.
Yes, I know full well this is (and SP) are private blogs paid for by the “editors” of the site. I recognize that this is not a “freedom of speach” issue in anyway and I claim no such thing. My entire original point being that it was refreshing to be on a site like this (that could fully choose to ban and edit etc) but chooses not to. There are far too many “right” or “left” websites out there than ban at will and whenever ANYONE posts something that upsets the views of people who post regularly. I was also banned from the “SwiftVets Against Kerry” during the election last year and just recently I was banned on Democratic Underground (DU) for apparently poking fun at liberals (and I am a liberal).
PuddyButt
I wrote to you (post 94):
“Where have I called another poster a liar on this forum?”
You responded @ 95:
“Yes you have dj. You called me a liar when I posted some information regarding donna brazile? Don’t you remember that?”
I have never discussed Donna Brazile with you. Once again, you have gotten your facts wrong.
PuddyButt @
Let’s see . . . You wrote:
“In the words of dj, et. al. prove to us who you send your tight wadded $$$ to.”
I called you on that bullshit at 94, saying:
“I have never pressured someone to reveal private information on this forum. Many of us value our ability to remain anonymous (for whatever reason) and therefore carefully limit the amount of personal and private information we are willing to post. Consider respecting that. In fact, Goldy has, in the past, reprimanded people for repeatedly asking (to the point of harassing) individuals about posting personal information.”
And, then you seem to respond to that with more ignorant bullshit:
“Regarding private information, all headlice has to do is say I gave to x,y,z. … [crap deleted] … That’s not personal information. I appreciate the fact you are trying to give headlice cover, and she needs a big tent for cover with her Tom Delay and other rants the WA Post kills for us.”
What the fuck, Pudster? I never even mentioned the author of the original post. I was making the point that you invoked my name as doing something that I consider inappropriate (harassing a user to provide personal information).
Pudster, you are entirely an idiot. I am not sure if you are incapable of reading properly, whether you cannot understand what you read, or whether you are incapable of synthesizing a number of thoughts into a coherent argument. In any case, I request that you refrain from attributing shit to me that I don’t do or say. (This is not the first time you have done this. Just the other day, you implied that I was discussing with you about the Canadian Health Care system—I wasn’t).
Try to be more careful. Oh . . . and best wishes to you in breaking out of your intellectual prison.
“and best wishes to you in breakingout out of your intellectual prison”
—-that’s not bad dj. The PUD-man can respect a well-structured shot to the groin I’m sure….cuz us folks who are always RIGHT also always have a sense of humor! Tell dj it’s so PUD….
You are right dj. I should not have used your “good” name.
Headlice, disregard my reference to Patrick and dj. They didn’t call me a liar, but another name which I don’t use.
I’ll say it though. You are a liar, as you can’t even indirectly demonstrate to me that you give to charities. You talk a good talk. I walk my charity talk.
Pudster
Cynical, I can laugh at barbs aimed at myself. dj always takes the low road with bow-line shots. Thanks dj.
Pudster
.דוד, שבת שמחה
Pudster
Reply to 66
Whats-a-matter Cynical, am I getting to you? Who did you think Priscilla is, the fucking Tooth Fairy?
Pudding between ears @ 67
“So donnageddon if Mark Felt is a cult hero to the left for leaking to the press illegally instead of telling the issues to the highest law authorities,”
You’re kidding, right? When the highest law authorities are committing felonies, you’re supposed to call the people who are committing the felonies and tell them they’re committing felonies?
Reply to 71
The Big Picture is that right wingers make shit up.
Reply to 79
“In the sixties when democrats in the deep south were methodically manipulating the voting process to disenfranchise Blacks and contol election outcomes”
Gee I wonder which party all those southern racist Yellow Dog Democrats belong to now? They all turned into Republicans. And guess what? Now we have Republicans in the deep south methodically manipulating the voting process to disenfranchise Blacks and control election outcomes.
You fucking Republicans can HAVE those fucking southern racists. We Democrats don’t want them.
Prissy: You just went to the darker side of the dark side. U’s be talkin bout sumtin u’s not ciphering right! Most of them stayed in your dark side of the congressional aisle. Yes a few moved over but most stayed. I thought it the wascally Republicans who helped passed the 1964 CRA and the 1965 VRA? You know, the one where blacks were guaranteed civil rights and voting rights? Where were the dems on that one?
In fact in the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. Damn Prissy you be wrong agin!
http://www.congresslink.org/civil/essay.html and http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curr......04.x.html
Most of the Dixiecrats did not become Republicans. They created the Dixiecrats and then, when the civil rights movement succeeded, they returned to the Democratic fold. It was not till much later, with a new, younger breed of Southerner and the thousands of Northerners moving into the South, that Republicans began to make gains.
In fact, very few party switches came about right after the Civil Rights Act was passed. Some exceptions who did switch were Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. Do I agree with them? Absolutely not so don’t go there. But Strom did apologize and did acknowledge his black daughter before he died. How did Jesse Jackson acknowledge his bastard daughter? Hide her, then lie. While he was telling everyone “Stay out of the Bushes!” Damn Jesse live your own words.
First read what a black Seattle minister wrote to Terry McAuliffe of the DNC (where was that in the Seattle Slimes or Seattle Post-Indigestioner?) http://www.nblsa.org/news/anno.....pology.pdf
Lets see about those minority loving democraps:
George Wallace – Not for it
William Fulbright of Arkansas – Not for it – Bill Clinton’s mentor
Al Gore Sr. of Tennessee – Not for it – Al Gore’s daddy
Richard Russell of Georgia was the leader of the anti-civil rights forces in the U.S. Senate – Not for it
Howard Smith of Virginia – Not for it
Robert KKK Bird of West Virginia who led a 74 day filibuster against it – Not for it
+ a whole host of other southern democrapic senators not for it.
Go to http://www.frankenlies.com/civilrights.htm and read Prissy. It’s a great read on your great leader Al Franken{stein}.
Here is the congresslink take on JFK, your hero:
http://www.congresslink.org/pr.....64text.htm
As a presidential campaigner in 1960, Kennedy largely avoided the civil rights issue for basically political reasons. Although he endorsed some kind of federal action, he could not afford to antagonize southern Democrats whose support he desperately needed to defeat Republican candidate Richard M. Nixon. In outlining the most important issues for the campaign early in 1960, Kennedy ignored civil rights rather than jeopardize his political support. Read it Prissy you just may get edumicated.
But LBJ did along with RFK. Congrats to them.
http://www.historylearningsite.....rights.htm
Read what the British think about JFK and Civil Rights Support.
http://www.cnsnews.com/facts/2.....030116.asp:”When the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act came up for a vote in the House of Representatives on Feb. 10, 1964, 420 House members voted on the measure, including 248 Democrats and 172 Republicans.
Among House Democrats, 61% voted in favor of the bill, while 80% of House Republicans voted to adopt the bill.
“Of the 420 (House) members who voted (on H.R 7152), 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill, 92 to 11.”
Even your beloved labor union AFL-CIO was against the CRA:
http://www.wpunj.edu/~newpol/issue25/hill25.htm
A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLES OF THE 1960S was the emergence of a broad national coalition that sponsored the March on Washington of 1963, winning the support of many organizations and reflecting the high point of a brief consensus that was responsible for passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, including Title VII, the law prohibiting employment discrimination. Notable for its absence from the list of participants, or even sponsors and supporters of the march was the AFL-CIO. This was no accident or oversight. The executive council of the AFL-CIO, after extensive discussion and debate, refused to give its endorsement or even to recommend that affiliated unions give their support. The best they could do was to leave it to “individual union determination.”
Wascally Republicans who voted for is so it could pass:
Everett Dirksen of Illinois
Carl Curtis and Roman Hruska of Nebraska
Karl Mundt of South Dakota
Jack Miller of Iowa
Charles Halleck of Indiana
William McCulloch of Ohio
Robert Griffin of Michigan
Robert Taft Jr. of Ohio
Clarence Brown of Ohio
Thomas Kuchel of California
Kenneth Keating of New York
Clark MacGregor of Minnesota
Prissy cut the crap and move on back to moveon.oink. You just do know the truth.
Pudster
It’s indeed true that the old GOP did have plenty of moderates. That’s why I used to vote Republican. It’s sad to see just how far the party has fallen in the past three decades. In the words of John Gorka:
“Oh, Abraham, look all the money now;
Oh, Abraham, good night;
It’s your party, but I’ll cry if I want to;
I wouldn’t care how much they have;
If they would only do what’s right.”
Puddy @ 109:
Thank you for the “David, happy Shabbat” wish . . .
. . . but stick to English.
No one says “Shabbat simcha,” like you wrote. (Are you relying on 1-800-translate.com?) The phrase is “Shabbat shalom.”