On the Today Show this morning, Democratic strategist Paul Begala said, “If McCain wins, he’s running for a third term for Bush. He wants to make Bush’s Iraq war permanent, Bush’s economic program permanent.” To which Pat Buchanan responded, “He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.” Think Progress has the clip.
One thing you gotta admire about Buchanan… he always speaks his mind.
Makes one wonder why the mainscream media is pushing mccain so much. He’s the fav of the media.
If you look at McCain’s personal history you’ll see he’s a 1-man wrecking crew. He wrecked 2 Navy jets, he wrecked his marriage, etc. He’s jinxed, too. Put him on a Navy aircraft carrier and the damn thing blows up and kills 172 sailors! This isn’t someone you want to trust with your mother’s heirloom china! A better gig for him than the presidency is house arrest.
I know Buchanon doesn’t like McCain – is he trying to sabatoge his nomination, by compairing him to a Vice President who himself can’t get his approval rating above the age of puberty?
@3 I don’t think their mental process is that deep. They’re merely Republicans behaving like Republicans.
McCain shares the insanity, but doesn’t register as high on the Sheer Malevolence Scale (SMS) as Cheney.
Buchanan is wrong as usual. He’s just expressing the “conservative” (i.e., wingnut Trotskyism) hatred for McCain because he doesn’t toe the National Review line.
1 – The temp just lowered in hell, I agree with the Stammster. The media has given a HUGE pass to McCain over the years. Matt Welch explains it:
Welch attributes this to the access McCain grants to the media. He argues that instead of holding the media at arms length, by allowing generous access, the media has just warmed to him. The whole interview is well worth reading:
http://www.democracynow.org/20.....erick_matt
@5…PTBAA…
You are confused; there’s no love lost between Pat Buchanan and The National Review. They’ve been fueding for many years.
But bald Dick and bald Mohandas are alike physically. Put Dick in a dhotti or Ghandi in a gray suit and they could be brothers!
The Piper
Boy – they (the right wingnuts of the national Review) DO hate mcCain – but making cheney look like ghandi is a physical and mental impossibility.
Cheney is a vindictive, petty, warmongering SOB. He resembles absolutely NOTHING Ghandi stood for – however, McCain is the one promising 100 years in Iraq, who thinks walking in Baghdad with a flak jacket and marine guard (after clearing the area) is a public relations stunt showing progress and peace.
On McCain: Jonah Goldberg, Rush Limbaugh and the pat buchanan all agree – they hate him and support Mitt or Huckabee.
of course they LOVED thomson – when he was awake or sleeping (who could tell?)
5 – I think you got that wrong. Buchanan is a paleocon with a very strong isolationist streak. He has contempt for the National Review crowd – they are the Trotskyists.
Buchanan probably thinks the best way to fight the “Islamo-fascists” is to build fences at the borders and not let anybody from the Middle East into the country. Then maybe he’s for setting up “our sons of bitches” to fight the extremists for us in the Middle East and Pakistan.
McCain is another Bush: A scion of a prominent family who lurched his way to a “gentleman’s C” (graduating 894th in a class of 899), liked fast cars and fast women, has loose morals and loose ethics, and approaches all of life with a strong sense of entitlement.
@7 – Piper – you could put Dick Cheny in a dhoti but you could never conceal the laser beams shooting from his eyes.
McCain’s military record, despite his evident courage, is suggestive if not of questionable competence, certainly of horrendously bad luck.
Having an imcompetent boob running the country is bad enough, but how about someone who’s jinxed?
roger…..you are just a fool. period. say something with meaning for a change will you? you just aren’t as funny as you think you are………
and art? JINXED? are you serious? that’s where you are going? so you have a real problem with paranoia and superstitions?
how does it feel for you two to be on the exact same page as rush and hannity?
now that’s just SAD……..
“of course they LOVED thomson – when he was awake or sleeping (who could tell?)”
Of course they did. They wanted another sock puppet, like Bush, who appealed to their base and had reliably conservative instincts, but not much brain and even less independence. That way they could pretty much continue to run the government as they have for the past seven years, with the President as merely a figurehead.
This policy has it’s advantages for them, of course – when the screw ups resulting from disasterous foreign and domestic policy become too obvious to be ignored, they cast off the figurehead, saying that the policies were fine, its just that the weren’t followed far enough in execution. Example: Limaugh & other proclaiming in Nov. 2006 that the Republican defeat was because they “….hadn’t been conservative enough…”.
I’m looking for there to be some pressure by the right wing on either Romney or Huckabee to bow out, with some promises of a reward afterwards. The Republican far-right wants to sink McCain, and they can’t do that if the conservatives keep splitting their vote between Romney and Huckabee. But who stays, and who goes – aye, there’s the rub!
One big difference between McCain and Cheney – Cheney hid like a little girl in the basement when it was his turn to go to Nam – McCain at least had the stones to show up – of course it might be why he is not completely crazy.
@14 Who’s “art”? Your latest boyfriend?
It must really suck to be a Republican right now. Last night I overheard a couple in the next table at a restaurant. Apparantly they were going over their primary ballots.
Her: “But who are we voting for?
Him: “Well, we’ve got three choices. The old guy, the Morman, or the Baptist minister.”
Her: “Well, I’m not going to vote for the Morman. And I’ve heard all sorts of bad things about that McCain guy on the radio (apparantly she listens to Limbaugh). So who is left?
Him: “I guess that leaves the Baptist.”
Her: “Okay, let’s vote for the Baptist”.
Him: “Okay, then, we’ll vote for Huckabee”.
Her: “Huckabee??? That’s his name??? I don’t think I could ever settle for a “President Huckabee”. It sounds too much like Huckelberry Finn!!!!
Him: “Okay, well…., let’s go over it again…..”
Welch makes another interesting point. McCain’s support in the primaries has come mostly from moderate Republicans and independents who mostly lean Republican. This group has mostly turned against the intervention in Iraq thinking it was a mistake. Additionally, this group has bristled at Bush’s lawless wiretapping and fiscal mismanagement.
McCain will not serve these people at all. McCain is for continuing the Iraqi adventure with MORE boots on the ground. He’ll rattle the saber at Iran and may indeed take the plunge. He’ll keep pushing the wiretapping abomination as long as he can get away with it. He has all but pledged to keep bankrupting the country.
McCain will build on Bush’s ugly legacy to a great degree rather than break with it.
18 – hilarious. Unfortunately you see a lot of that kind of decision making along all points of the political spectrum especially among the so-called “independents”.
It seems Bush has a new plan to reduce the deficit. He’s going to charge citizens (including Congressmen) for copies of next year’s proposed federal budget. Congressmen have to pay $67.50, but you or I will have to pay $213 for a copy. But they do allow you to read it online- provided you have a computer and internet access, of course. The policy is expected to save one million dollars over five years, but I didn’t see an explanation of how much revenue Bush expects to receive from sales of the document.
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/.....g-fewer-c/
Hey, I’m all for saving the trees, especially since this budget is already as dead as the trees it will be printed upon.
But I do find it really ironic that they even want to charge Congressmen to see a copy of the budget they want to enact. Of course, it’s kind of par for the course, considering the secret conference committee bills the Republicans presented for a vote on “vital Homeland Security Issues”, without giving the Democratic congressment even an opportunity to see the bills before voting.
You know, Buchanon has sort of grown on me the last year or so. He’s pretty crazy, but he’s honest. I wouldn’t want him in any kind of office, but as far as the Republican Media goes, he’s not so bad.
Goldy,
Check out story in Politico on unfolding fraud scandal at the National Republican Congressional Committee. FBI have been called in. Forensic auditor and outside counsel hired by party leaders. Scandal said to center on 2006 election but may go back many years. Contributors looking for the exit doors.
Ratcity Reprobate
http://www.politico.com/news/s...../8349.html
YLB at 18: Yea, I’m sure if I was sitting at a different table, I might have overheard an equally funny discussion concerning the Democratic candidates. It’s appalling how little attention some people pay to the election process, despite the fact that most of the candidates have already been running for the office for more than a year, now.
Republicans elected a man who says, ‘nukular’. They will vote for anyone with an R. next to their name.
Now that’s amazing. Goldy actually using a Buchanan quote as a thread heading.
I thought a blood vessel popped in my eye.
There’s a line in a Woody Allen movie that I’ve never forgotten. He’s arguing with his ex-girlfriend who has a new boyfriend and he says to her: “How can you love him? He says ‘nukular’!!
Now it’s time for the supposedly media-hating wingnuts to start in with the media-promoted gossip about Allen. At least he doesn’t pay whores to watch him poop in diapers or give strangers a blowjob in an airport restroom.
RatCity at 22: Wow. I read the article. It seems the focus is on the treaurer, who’s been on the committee since ’92, and has been the “go to” guy for Republican campaign committees, PACs, etc. for the past 15 years.
I hate to speculate, the guy might just be a scapegoat for “Enron” types of irregularities, with off-books money being improperly managed by the committee according to someone else’s plan. But problems there might help explain the Republican fundraising shortfall – perhaps donars were asked to hold onto their cash for a while, or contribut through other venues, until the problem is cleaned up.
Piper, ChristmasGhost & Marvin: Yes, Creighton Baril is headless lucy.
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=3802#comment-711506
Creighton Headless Lucy Baril: Keep going…
http://www.horsesass.org/index.....ent-590004
NUKULAR NUKULAR NUKULAR NUKULAR NUKULAR NUKULAR.
There’s a line in a Woody Allen movie where the rejected lover says, “How can you love him? He says , ‘NUKULAR’!!!!”
PuddyStudies usually determine the truth!
I love it when Clueless_Idiot_@6 proves another PuddyStudy point. The media is donkey biased liberal.
Nuff SAID
Headless, try another name! You comments are soooooo predictable. that’s how Puddy figgers your ‘bats out.
Damn…. Isn’t that 15 names now and where’s Goldy.
Ooops… that’s Where’s Waldo.
Correctnotright: At least of all the candidates McCain walked the streets of Baghdad.
How about Heilery
What say you again?…
Correctnotright: Remember the overseas Iraq and Afghanistan military visit of TSWIAPSFTUSS (Heilery)? It was either late 2003 or late 2004.
She was eating dinner in a mess tent and the reporters admitted they had to get people to sit with her for the photoop because they hated her for bad mouthing them?
Puddy posted it on this donkey blog.
@7&@10: ProudASS@5 is wrong on many issues. Thanks for playing ProudASS, even the Clueless Idiot gotcha!
Pelletizer@11: It never stooped the donkey party for placing the emasculated and dumb Al Gore or the SUV lover but dumb Yale grad John Effin Kerry as your candidates.
Emasculated you ask? Gore was against abortion before he was for it. Heilary got his testicles in her lock box!
Doesn’t anyone in this thread – starting with Goldy – know how to spell “Gandhi”??
Piper replies, “You are confused; there’s no love lost between Pat Buchanan and The National Review. They’ve been fueding for many years.”
What? I can’t broad-brush conservatives like you broad-brush liberals? Where for art thou, truth, justice, and the American Way?
In fact, both branches of this sick tree share a basic belief in untrammmelled “free markets” and praise its “revolutionary nature”, a belief that is so in contradiction to the claim to be “conservative” as to be laughable. But, point taken, so Buchanan is a Trotskyite, but perhaps the neo-cons are more in tune with Enver Hoxha.
But we do endeavor to remain eager to learn: Do tell us whose side you are on: Frum’s or Novak’s?
I didn’t know that Ghandi was a fascist.
Thorn@38: In the mind of some liberal 16%ers here, even you can be classified as one.
roger@17…wow, you must really be sick…..or hungover.
“@14 Who’s “art”? Your latest boyfriend?”
umm….check out number 13….is it time for “shady pines” for you or something?
my latest boyfriend. ha! that’s almost amusing….considering i have been very happily married to the same man, my first and only husband, for thirty years…..and since you KNOW that, are you losing it?
and ,as usual. roger has nothing important or even slightly illuminating to say…..what else is new?
goldy…you really need to think up better sock puppets.
PileofPud @ 34: “@7&@10: ProudASS@5 is wrong on many issues. Thanks for playing ProudASS, even the Clueless Idiot gotcha!”
What? Not wrong on all issues? I must be improving.
Well….maybe you’d wind up with something like Cheney if you soaked Gandhi’s corpse for five weeks in a vat of warm ghee.
Did someone let my son back in here? You masters are dumb. He is NOT fixed and he leaves bad marks every where. They dom not wash out either. I will not be responsible.
As for the similar, Patt Buch is getting old. Cahney in a Dhoti?? Now that would be funneee.
Look if McC is president he will give out silver name tags with his POW number .. 007832 … just like JFK gave out PT 109!
Calling a guy who has gone through such hell a war monger makes as much sense as blaming the fire biombing of Dresden on the innocent Nazis.
The Mahatma died poor, Chaney will die rich. Hard to compare such people.
OTOH, after he was assassinated, the Mahatma was burned to ashs in a public ceremony.
This may be worth considering for Mr. Chaney esp if he dies in the winter when the fire could heat several homes and the ashes might make good fertilizer.
The media is donkey biased liberal.
Oh I get it. Being biased that way means they give a pass to a guy with a 80 plus percentage approval from the ACU.
Shithead!
ProudASS: I never said you you were wrong on everything. I have been accused of that.
Clueless Idiot – ACU – Air Conditioning Unit?