“Palling around”

Now:

Then Palin met with former secretary of state Henry Kissinger at his consulting firm’s offices for what was perhaps her most substantive meeting of the day. Palin talked for more than an hour with Kissinger, who tutored President Bush during his first White House campaign and has kept in close contact with him through his presidency.

And then:

Document 3: Kissinger and General Alexander M. Haig, Jr., 9 December 1970, 8:50 p.m.
Source: Nixon Presidential Materials Project, Henry A. Kissinger Telephone Conversations Transcripts, Home File, Box 29, File 2, 106-10

A few minutes later after receiving Nixon’s call on Cambodia, Kissinger telephoned his military assistant Alexander Haig about the orders from “our friend.” After he described Nixon’s instructions for a “massive bombing campaign” involving “anything that flys [or] anything that moves”, the notetaker apparently heard Haig “laughing.” Both Haig and Kissinger knew that what Nixon had ordered was logistically and politically impossible so they translated it into a plan for massive bombing in a particular district (not identifiable because the text is incomplete). These two phone calls illustrate an important feature of the Nixon-Kissinger relationship: while Nixon would, from time to time, make preposterous suggestions (no doubt depending on his mood), Kissinger would later decide whether there was a rational kernel in what Nixon had said and whether or how to follow up on it.

After all, we’re only ordinary men:

Thirty-three years ago the US Air Force began a secret B-52 bombardment of Cambodia. In 1973, Congress imposed a halt on the campaign. But nearly half of its 540,000 tons of bombs fell in the last six months. The Secretary of the Air Force later said that President Richard Nixon “wanted to send a hundred more B-52’s. This was appalling. You couldn’t even figure out where you were going to put them all…”

The civilian toll was massive. In l970 a US aerial and tank attack in Kompong Cham province took 200 lives. In 1971, the town of Angkor Borei was heavily bombed, burnt and levelled by B-52’s and T-28’s. Whole families were trapped in trenches they had dug underneath their homes.100 people were killed, and 200 houses destroyed.

US intelligence soon discovered that many “training camps” on which its Cambodian allies, the Lon Nol regime, had requested air strikes “were in fact merely political indoctrination sessions held in village halls and pagodas.” Cambodian intelligence noted that “aerial bombardments against the villagers have caused civilian loss on a large scale,” and that the peasant survivors of the US bombing were turning to Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge communists for support.

—snip—

In March l973, the US carpet bombardment spread across the whole country. Around Phnom Penh alone, 3,000 civilians were killed in three weeks. UPI reported: “Refugees swarming into the capital from target areas report dozens of villages… have been destroyed and as much as half their population killed or maimed in the current bombing raids.”

Comments

  1. 3

    All Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Maybe Kissinger filled her in on how we could have won in Vietnam!

    I can imagine what they talked about. Maybe how many countries Kissinger can’t visit because he has been indicted for war crimes, and how to do it right!

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  2. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Palin must be palling around with known witches, too, or she wouldn’t need to be cleansed of witchcraft.

    Maybe we should take up a collection and send her a box of anti-witch soap.

  3. 5

    spews:

    “Breaking News” from CNN.

    “Vice presidential candidate Joe Biden’s mother-in-law has died.”

    Breaking News!

    I’m about to walk to my refrigerator to see what’s in there.

  4. 6

    YLB spews:

    The ULTIMATE takedown of the fraud that is McSame:

    On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.

    “I’m going to the Middle East,” Dramesi says. “Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran.”

    “Why are you going to the Middle East?” McCain asks, dismissively.

    “It’s a place we’re probably going to have some problems,” Dramesi says.

    “Why? Where are you going to, John?”

    “Oh, I’m going to Rio.”

    “What the hell are you going to Rio for?”

    McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.

    “I got a better chance of getting laid.”

    Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. “McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man,” Dramesi says today. “But he’s still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in.”

    http://www.rollingstone.com/ne.....ain/page/1

    The “Maverick” is a total sham.

  5. 7

    proud leftist spews:

    Palin’s comment, and McCain’s apparent decision to go over fully to toxic tactics, reveal the utter ethical emptiness of the McCain campaign. McCain and Palin are disgusting. The Republican bench is so thin that a year of campaigning leaves those two insignificant pieces of shit on the ticket. If I were a Republican, I’d be so ashamed I’d hide until next January.

  6. 8

    delbert spews:

    Nice moral equivalence.

    Former Secretary of State vs. an unrepentant terrorist.

    Keep up the good work.

    Oh and by the way, Ayers apparently designed the bomb that exploded in the townhouse, killing his girlfriend and two buddies. When you’re referring to his notes, watch that last step…

  7. 9

    All Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Delbert. I am not an Ayers fan, or a Kissinger Fan. Who is directly responsible for the most deaths?

    Case closed.

    Secretary of State. UNDER NIXON!

  8. 10

    spews:

    @7

    I think you are ashamed. I think you and Goldy & Co. are ashamed of Obama. You never write positively about him. You only do negative pieces on McCain/Palin.

    I suspect if Obama were white you would write more positively about him.

    Be honest, are you part of the 1/3 that that Stanford University poll was talking about? You are, aren’t you?

  9. 11

    spews:

    @8–

    Both Ayers and Kissinger are walking around free men, rightly or wrongly. That’s the way the system works.

    In the end they’ll both be judged by a power with more wisdom and knowledge than Sarah Palin.

    And we don’t need bombs, we have the Internet Tubes. Much safer and more fun. The righties can’t COINTELPRO us much because we’re not that organized to begin with. The only thing they could do is shut down the Tubes, and I’d like to see them try that.

    You betcha I bless the First Amendment every morning.

  10. 12

    spews:

    Wow, comparing a government official during a time of war (which a Democrat started) with a terrorist who planted bombs at the Pentagon, police headquarters, and US Capitol building.

    You people really are the lunatic fringe.

  11. 13

    YLB spews:

    Ayers ooooh so scary to wingnuts.

    Why isn’t Ayers in jail? Doesn’t shrubya know there’s a war on terra goin’ on?

    Shit! I mean the Shrub can declare Ayers an enemy combatant and ship him to Gitmo or one of those gulag black prisons.

    Of course the reason’s obvious. If Shrub put Ayers, Khalidi, CAIR, bin Laden or any other things wingnuts get worked up about wingnuts would have nothing to talk about.

    It’s all Politics, don’t you know?

  12. 15

    kirk91 spews:

    Fortunately we still have a justice system though, so it isn’t.

    I didn’t realize that Eisenhower was a Democrat. Although I’m sure he would be considered so today.

  13. 16

    proud leftist spews:

    Troll @ 10
    Your mantra is really getting tiresome. This Democrat is proud as hell of Obama, proud of a political party that would select him as its nominee, and I suspect I’ll be proud as hell of this nation for electing him president on November 4. Your racism shines through in virtually every one of your posts. With regard to posting negatively about McCain and Palin, I would just say that there is so much material in that regard that sowing that field just has to happen. Go to your cave, Troll, your Klan meeting starts soon.

  14. 17

    spews:

    Eisenhower didn’t start the war. He was involved when it was still a conflict. The war began under Kennedy, then escalated under Johnson.

  15. 18

    spews:

    @16

    My God you are thick.

    I have no problem with negative McCain/Palin posts and comments. But when that’s all I see – when I don’t see ANY positive Obama posts – that’s a red flag to me.

    Am I calling you a racists? Yes, I am.

  16. 19

    proud leftist spews:

    Troll
    I don’t think I’ve ever seen you post anything positive. But, I couldn’t care less given that it would surely just reflect standard rightwing rubbish. One more thing–you don’t know me, fuckhead. You haven’t the slightest idea who I am, yet you call me a racist. That is classic projection–you’re a racist, so you assume others must be as well. The compelling evidence of your racism is buried in post after post. Go run to the loving arms of your Klan brothers.

  17. 21

    spyder spews:

    Gee Jon, i thought you were going to lead into Operation Condor, or perhaps Cointelpro. Of course Henry would never have advocated for agent provocateurs, such as those embedded by that heinous administration in the Black Panthers, AIM, SLA, SNCC, etc. Then again one could mention Jackson State and Kent State in the same post i suppose.

  18. 22

    michael spews:

    @8,11

    Delbert, would you like to tell the class what Obama’s connection to the terrorist is?

    If I remember correctly the both sat on some sort of community board. Not much of a connection, really.

  19. 23

    michael spews:

    Dear Righties, Trolls, Etc.

    Polling puts Obama sitting on 264 electoral votes, that’s 6 votes shy of the presidency. McCain needs to pick up 107 of the 111 remaining tossup votes to pull off a win.

    You might as well pack your bags and go home, Obama’s going to be the next president.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....vs_mccain/

  20. 24

    delbert spews:

    @22 Okay, it’s pretty straight forward

    1995 – Ayers gets a $50 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation to ‘improve’ Chicago Public Schools. Thus is born the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers hires Obama as the chair of the board for one portion of the program and manages one of the other parts himself. Ayers is the founder, Obama the chair of the board of directors.

    1996 – Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn, another bomber from the Weather Underground, host Obama’s initial State Senate gathering at their home during his first run for office.
    Politico.com
    “Dr. Young and another guest, Maria Warren, described it similarly: as an introduction to Hyde Park liberals of the handpicked successor to Palmer, a well-regarded figure on the left.

    “When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,” Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. “They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.”

    1999 – 2002 Ayers and Obama are both members of the Board of the Woods Fund of Chicago

    August 2001- Ayers profiled in Chicago Magazine, pictured standing on an American Flag in an alley.

    “This—violence, death, and white-hot rhetoric—is his past and Ayers insists he has no regrets. “I acted appropriately in the context of those times,” he says.”

    2001 – Ayers donates to the Obama State Senate campaign.

    2002 – Chicago Annenberg Challenge shuts it’s doors. Having failed to significantly impact the poor performance of the public school system in Chicago. Estimates for the amount of money poured into the school system range between $50-$160 million dollars.

    2008 – Obama “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and
    “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” Apparently leaving off the words “any more” from the last quote was just a slip of the tongue.

    Ayers is a shit stain and shit splatters.

  21. 25

    reformed republican spews:

    @24: Except that Ayers never hired Obama. That Ayers and Obama hardly knew each other even though they lived 3 blocks away. Obama was selected to be the board president by ANOTHER person. Funny thing – if a troll is willing to lie about the facts (or accepts lies as facts) what else are they lying about?

    the thing with republican trolls is that they have a huge problem with facts. Facts get in the way of their narrative. Obama’s association with Ayers was small and inconsequential 30 years after Ayers was in the Weather Underground.

    So really, there is nothing to defend here becuase there is nothing to the story. He served on the same board and once went to the guys house for a political event. that is it.

    Palin on the other hand, as an example of a someone who was really invovled in a traitorous organization, was the keynote speaker for a party that wants to succeed from the USA. She is married to a former member of the party and she went to their conventions twice.

    Now who is the traitor. Someone who was the president of a board to improve local education or someone who was a keynote speaker of the AIP (Alaska Independence party), a traitorous party?

  22. 26

    reformed republican spews:

    Oh, and Ayers apparently gave 200 bucks to Obama – big deal. You got nothing troll and you lie to boot. but you sure wish you could tar and feather Obama instead of actually facing the real issues – like the economy and the unnecessary war in Iraq. Or how McCain and Bush ignored Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan so now it is worse than ever.

  23. 27

    reformed republican spews:

    Is that the best you got Delbert – I hope the McCain campaign is paying you enough, because that was a sad repetition of talking points and lies. I just caught you in a lie….a big one. And the rest of your chronology is tenuous at best.

    Again, what do you have? Nothing.

  24. 30

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    10. Troll spews:
    I think you are ashamed. I think you and Goldy & Co. are ashamed of Obama. You never write positively about him. You only do negative pieces on McCain/Palin.

      
    What is there positive to say about obama.
      
    Hell, the left-wingnuts on here aren’t talking about the lawsuit over obamas birth certificate.

  25. 31

    mark spews:

    I can’t think of any post ever having something
    positive about Obama. He has never done anything. NOTHING. We don’t know how a fucking bake sale would turn out if he were left in charge. Look to his home town, highest murder rate in the country, more so than Iraq! Highest sales tax. Highest gas tax. Good thing
    the arab is a community organizer! What a joke.

  26. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @12 “Wow, comparing a government official during a time of war (which a Democrat started) with a terrorist who planted bombs at the Pentagon, police headquarters, and US Capitol building.”

    You’ve got a point. In terms of lives taken, Ayers was small potatoes.

  27. 34

    delbert spews:

    @25 et al. None are so blind as those who will not see.

    – “But Kurtz reviewed the CAC archives at the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago, which houses CAC board meeting minutes and other documentation from the education foundation. He found that along with Leff and Graham, Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board of the CAC, which hired Obama.”

    – Not one board, two boards. CAC and the Wood Fund.

    – Ayers HOSTED Obama’s political coming out party. Not just two guys at the same party. Ayers house, Obama’s party.

  28. 35

    delbert spews:

    @33
    7 people died as a result of the Weathermen.

    One SF policeman, 3 in an armored car robbery with the Black Panthers, and 3 “own Goals”.

    At least two people were permanently maimed, one SF policeman was blinded and Richard Elrod, a Chicago lawyer, was paralyzed.

    “When the young attorney, now the Honorable Richard Elroy [photograph left: at age 72], was paralyzed by the Weather Underground, Bill Ayer’s wife and Barack Obama’s friend, Bernardine Dohrn, gleefully led her followers in her rendition of Bob Dylan’s Lay Lady Lay and sang Lay Elrod Lay. But then again what could you expect from a woman who said Charlie Manson was her hero? The gleeful song went like this:

    Lay, Elrod, lay,
    Lay in the street for a while
    Stay, Elrod, stay
    Stay in your bed for a while
    You thought you could stop the Weatherman
    But up-front people put you on your can,
    Stay, Elrod, stay
    Stay in your iron lung,
    Play, Elrod, play
    Play with your toes for a while”

  29. 36

    delbert spews:

    @32

    How many people do you have to kill to become a large potato? 20? 50? 10,000? Moron.

    Ayers and Dohrn have blood on their hands. And Obama doesn’t see anything wrong with that. “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,”

    No Barry, he’s a fucking terrorist, not very competent, but a terrorist still.

  30. 38

    Don Joe spews:

    @ 36

    How many people do you have to kill to become a large potato?

    How many innocent civilians were killed in the illegal bombing of Cambodia? Or are you just to young to remember that?

    And Obama doesn’t see anything wrong with that. “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,”

    Well, the guy does happen to live in Obama’s neighborhood. What do you expect Obama to do, go blow up the guy’s house?

    Do you clowns ever engage your brains before trying to justify these idiotic wingnut talking points?

  31. 39

    wobbly spews:

    sources, delbert.

    (i’m no fan of the weather underground, btw. i’m with todd gitlin on this one.)

  32. 40

    delbert spews:

    @38

    One helluva lot less than were killed by the Khmer Rouge after the commies took power once Vietnam fell.

    And I expect Obama to have a lick of fucking sense and stay away from the terrorist. The argument that Obama’s too stupid to repudiate the man and his sociopathic wife is falling flat.

    @39
    Google it. Most of this was 1st page stuff. Not very hard to find if you’re willing to look.

  33. 41

    wobbly spews:

    kissinger and pals fucking around in cambodia helped pol pot just fine.

    google it? nope.

    sources, delbert.

  34. 42

    correctnotright spews:

    Once again Delbert can’t get his facts straight and prefers to lie. Obama has repudiated Ayers – period.
    Another lie by a right wing smear brigade. Another factless attack – meanwhile the economy and the free market are in free fall.

  35. 43

    wobbly spews:

    has mccain ever belonged to an organization which was terroristic in nature?

    should i google it, delbert?