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I just want to remind everyone what kind of people post comments on Sound Politics.
“Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago.”
Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM(Quoted in full; nothing taken out of context.)
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And these people criticize Kerry?
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All Kerry did was bungle a jibe directed at Bush. This guy is saying he wants terrorists to kill Americans (apparently in revenge for electing Democrats).
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FullContactPolitics — you are one bitter, sick, twisted psycho. Please seek professional help.
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Mike!? McGavick joins the ranks of John Carlson, Ellen Craswell, and Motherbeat Irons as big-time Republican loooosers! Even Richard Pope got better numbers than McGavick! He did better than Low Tax Looper, though.
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Mike!? McGavick — another failed GOP politician consigned to the footnote section of state history textbooks; never to be heard from again.
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Goldy,
Don’t you know Rummy doesn’t run on a Mac?
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I suspect McGavick wants to run again in two years, but he will not want to take a position lower than Senator, President, or Chief Justice.
In the meantime, he will want a job to pad out his resume. I don’t think lobbying will work for him this time. He won’t be very welcome (or effective) with the Democrats in charge of the House, and possibly the Senate also. But lots of Bush appointees will be abandoning ship over the next year (it always begins the moment the President becomes a lame duck). He may want to slide into some cabinet or diplomatic post as a Bush appointee to tide him over until he starts his campaign run again next year.
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Probably the first question McGavick asked this morning was: “Okay, Cantwell wasn’t the easy pickings we thought. When does the other Senator – eh, what’s her hame – run for re-election again?”
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This should be our theme song for this victory:
Martha And The Vandellas Dancing In The Streets Lyrics
Calling out around the world
Are you ready for a brand new beat
Summer’s here and the time is right
For dancing in the street
They’re dancing in Chicago
Down in New Orleans
Up in New York City
All we need is music, sweet music
There’ll be music everywhere
There’ll be swinging swaying records playing
Dancing in the streetOh it doesn’t matter what you wear
Just as long as you are there
So come on ev’ry guy grab a girl
Ev’rywhere around the world
They’ll be dancing
They’re dancing in the streetIt’s just an invitation across the nation
A chance for folks to meet
There’ll be laughing, singing, music swinging
Dancing in the street
Philadelphia, PA
Baltimore and D.C. now
Can’t forget the Motor City
All we need is music, sweet music
There’ll be music everywhere
There’ll be swinging, swaying, records playing
Dancing in the streetOh it doesn’t matter what you wear
Just as long as you are there
So come on ev’ry guy grab a girl
Ev’rywhere around the worldDancing
They’re dancing in the street
Way down in L.A.
Every day
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This piece by Digby adds a little more meat to Goldy’s post below about the role of the netroots and grassroots in reforming the Democratic Party and righting the nation.
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I think now is the time for the Socialist party and the Democratic party to merge and become the Democratic Socialist Party of America.
We should start by electing Berney Sanders as leader of the Senate in this new congress.
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I think now is the time for the Socialist party and the Democratic party to merge and become the Democratic Socialist Party of America.
We should start by electing Berney Sanders as leader of the Senate in this new congress.
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Stedman @ 10
Gloating online is not as satisfying as gloating in person, but it ain’t bad, is it? -
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Following up on my post above, I just noticed that FDL has a pretty good roundup of the scramble for credit and competing lessons of this election.
Also, TBogg’s hilarious predictions post needs to be seen. Compare his predictions to your election night experiences.
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As Goldy’s update points out, Associated Press just called Virginia for James Webb! Democratic House, Democratic Senate.
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Subject to recount. At this moment, Virginia has the highest concentration of lawyers on the planet.
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Let’s not forget that yesterday’s election was marred by dirty tricks. We need to talk more about that in the days ahead. Like the gun-packing dude who stopped Hispanics on their way to the polls …
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Yes the righties are out to hurt America and they hate it that we’ve taken the country back from them so bad that they are hoping for terror attacks against US cities.
Let’s hunt these fuckers down and give em some justice. They’re traitors. Simple fact.
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Yes the righties are out to hurt America and they hate it that we’ve taken the country back from them so bad that they are hoping for terror attacks against US cities.
Let’s hunt these fuckers down and give em some justice. They’re traitors. Simple fact.
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“In Arizona, three men, one of them armed, stopped Hispanic voters and questioned them outside a Tucson polling place, according to voting monitors for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.
“In Maryland, sample ballots misidentifying the party affiliations of Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich and Senate candidate Michael Steele were handed out by people bused in from out of state, The Washington Post reported.
“In Virginia, election officials contacted the FBI over complaints of voter intimidation. In some states, long lines formed, prompting appeals to judges to keep polls open longer.”
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yghvd2
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“THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
“States reporting voter intimidation efforts and dirty tricks on Election Day:
“VIRGINIA
“In a neck-and-race Senate race between Republican George Allen and Democrat Jim Webb, the FBI was probing reports of phone calls apparently encouraging voters to stay home on Election Day or face criminal charges. Other calls directed voters to the wrong polling place. …
“ARIZONA
“In Arizona, three men, one of them armed, stopped Hispanic voters and questioned them outside a Tucson polling place, according to voting monitors for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.
“MARYLAND
“Sample ballots suggesting Republican Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich and Senate candidate Michael Steele were Democrats were handed out by people bused in from out of state. Democrats outnumber Republicans in Maryland by nearly 2-to-1.
“OHIO
“A federal judge in Cleveland ordered 16 Cuyahoga County polling locations stay open 90 minutes past the scheduled 7:30 p.m. close because of delays caused by voting machine problems and lines that were an hour long.”
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Did you notice that gas prices went up today? hmmmm….
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“N.H. makes GOP stop some automated calls
“By KATHARINE WEBSTER
“ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER“CONCORD, N.H. — A Republican organization agreed to stop making automated phone calls to New Hampshire residents on the federal do-not-call list. But the Democrats said Monday that the calls still violate federal rules.
“The National Republican Congressional Committee agreed on Sunday to stop calling homes on the registry after a citizen complained to the state attorney general. Under New Hampshire law, political campaigns can contact people on the do-not-call list, but cannot use automated recordings.
“The calls criticize Democratic congressional challenger Paul Hodes, who is locked in a tight race against Republican Rep. Charles Bass … a spokesman for Hodes said the calls also violate a Federal Communications Commission rule that says automated calls must identify their source at the beginning of the message. …
“The NRCC is using ‘robo calls’ in at least 53 competitive House races nationwide. …
“‘This is the same kind of dirty tricks we’ve seen up here in the last couple of election cycles,’ Hodes spokesman Reid Cherlin said. In May, a former Republican National Committee official, James Tobin, was sentenced to 10 months behind bars for his role in the jamming of New Hampshire Democrats’ telephones on Election Day 2002. He was the third person sent to prison in the case.”
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yl4aby
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nice visual pun !
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Hey long timers:
How come the right winger trolls always have a long list of pornographic sites at their fingertips?
Do you think there is a correlation between the discovery of sexual enhancement drugs and the right wing becoming so destructively vitriolic?
Is there a connection between the vitriol and impotence?Just wondering.
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ELECTION 2006
Dems complete election sweep of Congress
WASHINGTON — Democrats completed an improbable double-barreled election sweep of Congress on Wednesday, taking control of the Senate with a victory in Virginia as they padded their day-old majority in the House.
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Burner narrows gap as King County results are announced
Political newcomer Darcy Burner, the Democrats’ only remaining hope of gaining a congressional seat in Washington state, closed in slightly on Republican U.S. Rep. Dave Reichert as new results were announced Wednesday. The race remained too close to call.
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(November 08, 2006 — 09:48 PM EST // link)
100% of precincts in King County reporting, Darcy Burner is up by about a thousand votes over Rep. Reichert (R) in WA-8. -
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Much as I’d like to believe that’s it, dpk, you also need to count the votes from Pierce Co in WA-8.
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CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT NO. 8
Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 126040 / 316777 39.79%
Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 745
/ 745 100.00%United States Representative Congressional District No. 8
Darcy Burner DEM 62516 50.31%
Dave Reichert REP 61595 49.56%
Write-in 161 0.13%
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Goldy —
When the excitement subsides, maybe you can work on the blog to figure out how to screen out the spammers.
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kids…are you ignoring your buddy “the socialist” again? come on…that’s not nice and we all know that you libs are really cozy with socialists so why snub him in public, hmmmmmmmmm?
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christmasghost, why shouldn’t we be “cozy” with socialists? Wingnuts are cozy with nazis, the KKK, and other eliminationists.
Your point is, well, pointless, and it can only be hoped that your kind are consigned to politcal irrelevancy. Enjoy the holiday season.
Regards,
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Since the first vote count in the 8th district, Reichart has held a 2700 vote lead. According to statistical theory, that is fishy. If reichart wins by 2700, we better check the trail of that smell.
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ass…my kind?
and just what kind is that? do you mean a person that owns a company that employs people at a very good wage? or the person that spent her own money and blood, sweat and tears to save a wetland? how about the person that does wildlife rescue?
that person? you want that person to go away?
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39#
Thanks
I think
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are you a liberal christmasghost?
you know Socialist were kind of the origanel liberals
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You know, Ghost, for someone who spends a lot of time griping about other people expressing unconstructive thoughts, you sure seem to not engage in much discussion that has any kind of constructive aim.
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Early American Marxism
A rich archive of works about the early history of Marxism in the United States of America, and the documents of the various Marxist groups and founders of the union movement, 1864-1930.
see we helped found the union moments in the U.S.A.
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Socialism was born out of the extreme operation of the industrial revolution , of child labor and working people all most to death for barely enough to live on. You can still see this process going on in china and India and other countries we have allowed our capitalist to exploit. and don’t worry if the capitalist have there way it will be coming back to America really soon.
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ghost, what are you still doing here? We know your posting history. You’ve earned zilch regard from anyone here. You name call. You hang out at (un)SP. Shall we dig up some choice quotes?
You’re environmentally conscious and active. Big deal! You hate Washington State so what are you doing here?
That Hollywood
liberal DemocratRepublican Schwarzenegger was re-elected. Celebrate.Get on with your life. We’ll be fine.
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Goldy’s two favorite people in the whole world.
Like attracts like.
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oh she’s from Californei that explains it
(rolling eye’s)
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Clueless, I think the Ghost’s most interesting reaction is the seeming outrage at the backlash of some Democrats directed toward Republicans after decades of being demonized by Republicans. I detect a distinct inability, or at least significantly impaired ability, to stand in someone else’s shoes. At times, I wonder if this kind of self-absorbsion isn’t a fairly common phenomenon amongst the right-wing.
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Yes Don Joe, I agree. I think that self-absorption and that tendency to demonize is at its core narcissistic and is quite common among the right.
Look at Stefan Sharansky. He takes everything personally. He keeps a lid on it to some extent in public but on his blog anything goes. It’s sad.
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Um…. Sad as it is… you’re not looking at TOTALS on the Burner race above…. you are only looking at King County totals…
The Totals, as of tonight are:
Darcy Burner
Democrat 74,861 49.1027%
Dave Reichert
Republican 77,597 50.8973%Wish it was better news…
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Bummer about Burner, but that’s just so damn close for a district that had been written off as a safe Republican district that has never sent a Democrat to Congress.
The good news is that Reichert’s wings are pretty much clipped by the rest of the Democrat landslide, and we still get to make Reichert jokes for the next two years.
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Amen.
This district has NEVER elected a Gooper… yet we get closer every time… the tide is turning!
I am SOOOO proud of the campaign that Darcy has run here… she represents what is GOOD about the Eastside.
Reichert on the other hand… represents the redneck, pierce county mullet heads.
Sigh.
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Do you think there is a correlation between the discovery of sexual enhancement drugs and the right wing becoming so destructively vitriolic? Commentby vancouver sucks— 11/8/06@ 6:58 pm
Yeah.
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re 41; your such a poor little victim. But I don’t believe a word you say.
You need a good spanking! That will get your juices flowing. I’ll do it. I’ll leave red hand marks on your bottom and you’ll be telling me,”Daddy, I’ve been a bad wittle girl….”
Can you save some of that wetland for me?
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Look at Stefan Sharansky … on his blog anything goes. Commentby For the Clueless— 11/8/06@ 8:43 pm
Well that’s certainly true! Just today a poster on Stefan’s sucky little blog suggested “we need” another terrorist attack against the U.S. as an antidote to people voting for Democrats. Sick. And Stefan the self-described patriot won’t even censor it.
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I am so relieved! I thought there for a minute that I might have to actually stay in a job for two years! Can you imagine?
The voters in the 8th aren’t very bright, as pointed out on this blog. I bet most of them didn’t go to Harvard, like I did. I even bet most of them didn’t work for Microsoft!
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The media is treating Pelosi as if she’s the de-facto president. What a relief we’ve got these clowns caged.
The emperor not only has no clothes , he has no brain.
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When will it sink in, Righties? You are so OVER.
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Bush’s Texas accent gets more pronounced the more desperate he gets. It’s really amusing to see him still strutting around like he’s large and in charge.
You’ll not see that clown deferred to any longer. I’m glsd we’ve got Reichert to hector and wear down.
“Dig for the dirt on Republicans. And if you can’t find it, keep looking. I’ve never known one that wasn’t tainted.” Rahm Emmanuel
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When the neocons stole power I never imagined they would drown themselves in their own slime so soon. I thought it would take at least 10 years.
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I want to remind everyone, especially our wingnut friends, this is not the Democrats’ ultimate victory but only the beginning. For the next 2 years, Democrats will pass remedial legislation on a broad array of problems — then watch Bush veto all of it, setting up his party for a crushing repudiation in 2008 that will make 2006 look like child’s play.
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Now here is a word from Ann Coulter:
History was made this week! For the first time in four election cycles, Democrats are not attacking the Diebold Corp. the day after the election, accusing it of rigging its voting machines. I guess Diebold has finally been vindicated.
So the left won the House and also Nicaragua. They’ve had a good week. At least they don’t have their finger on the atom bomb yet.
Democrats support surrender in Iraq, higher taxes and the impeachment of President Bush. They just won an election by pretending to be against all three.
Jon Tester, Bob Casey Jr., Heath Shuler, possibly Jim Webb — I’ve never seen so much raw testosterone in my life. The smell of sweaty jockstraps from the “new Democrats” is overwhelming.
Having predicted this paltry Democrat win, my next prediction is how long it will take all these new “gun totin’ Democrats” to be fitted for leotards.
Now that they’ve won their elections and don’t have to deal with the hicks anymore, Tester can cut lose the infernal buzz cut, Casey can start taking “Emily’s List” money, and Webb can go back to writing more incestuously homoerotic fiction … and just in time for Christmas!
But according to the media, this week’s election results are a mandate for pulling out of Iraq (except in Connecticut where pro-war Joe Lieberman walloped anti-war “Ned the Red” Lamont).
In fact, if the Democrats’ pathetic gains in a sixth-year election are a statement about the war in Iraq, Americans must love the war! As Roll Call put it back when Clinton was president: “Simply put, the party controlling the White House nearly always loses House seats in midterm elections” — especially in the sixth year.
In Franklin D. Roosevelt’s sixth year in 1938, Democrats lost 71 seats in the House and six in the Senate.
In Dwight Eisenhower’s sixth year in 1958, Republicans lost 47 House seats, 13 in the Senate.
In John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson’s sixth year, Democrats lost 47 seats in the House and three in the Senate.
In Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford’s sixth year in office in 1974, Republicans lost 43 House seats and three Senate seats.
Even America’s greatest president, Ronald Reagan, lost five House seats and eight Senate seats in his sixth year in office.
But in the middle of what the media tell us is a massively unpopular war, the Democrats picked up about 30 House seats and five to six Senate seats in a sixth-year election, with lots of seats still too close to call. Only for half-brights with absolutely no concept of yesterday is this a “tsunami” — as MSNBC calls it — rather than the death throes of a dying party…
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Are you open-minded? Good. Then go to abort73.com and educate yourself. Especially see section 1A on the left of the homepage and click through. But only if you’re open-minded and interested in being informed.
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Thank you, truthless, for showing us that the Coultergeist is willing to cling to her delusions through thick and thin. But, perhaps you can tell us, why did she leave out Clinton’s sixth year mid-term?
Facts, drunks and lamp-posts again.
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I have to say that I didn’t learn a thing from about73.com that I didn’t already know. What’s your point? That abortion is horrible? Agreed. Can we move on from that, and to the next question?
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A few days ago Bush was saying “Elect the Democrats, and the terrorists win.”
I think we’d better show him who REALLY won.
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But according to the media, this week’s election results are a mandate for pulling out of Iraq (except in Connecticut where pro-war Joe Lieberman walloped anti-war “Ned the Red” Lamont).
Lieberman won because he changed his position on Iraq. Now he’s for getting out, but thanks for not paying attention.
I can’t say I’m surprised, though. It’s well-known that non-voters are less informed than voters, and Coulter can’t vote.
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One day after Republicans lost their majority in the U.S. House and Senate, a question: Just how solid is the alliance among Democrat incumbents, moderates, newly-elected conservatives who used to be Republicans, and the fringe left?
Northwest Progressive Institute (NPI) did something today on their website that may reveal rogue riptides in the ‘blue wave’ that swept through Tuesday’s elections:
A blog entry was posted by NPI contributor ‘Stilwell’ which blasted Rahm Emanuel and Democrat leadership over private meetings, held pre-election, to discuss how the liberal wing of the party would not be allowed to dominate the agenda next year. ‘Stilwell’ was none-too-happy, as evidenced by these excerpts: “We knew before the election that the mindless centrists who brought us twelve years of hell would immediately try to throw progressives under the bus. And sure enough Rahm Emmanuel has already started that attempt… The centrists should cut the crap and accept progressives as full partners, or we keep fighting. Their call. Deep down they know they would still be the minority if it weren’t for progressives…”. Pretty provocative piece, so I linked to it.
I went back to the post later, to see if any comments had been entered. One had, by ‘Possum’ of the Roadkill blog. Roadkill is a self-described moderate who has been equally tough on the GOP and Democrats. But Possum’s comment was a more of a warning: that the people who had actually been thrown under the bus were moderates who felt betrayed by the GOP for not living up to the promise of conservative government for the past 12 years, and that if Democrats thought they had a mandate to do anything they wanted or cater to the extreme left of the party, they too would be voted out of power. Stilwell’s response? “Screw you troll”. I couldn’t resist and left a comment: “Spoken like a true progressive”.
A few hours later, I discovered the post had been pulled. At first I wasn’t sure if it was intentional or due to technical problems, but I had my answer later when I discovered the link was being re-directed to the main NPI blog page. It was obvious at the point an effort was underway by NPI to hide the Stilwell post.
I couldn’t find the post in my browser cache, but I was able to take a snapshot of a Google search which shows the post was up long enough to be in the Google search index (click here if you want to see it).
So here are the questions I have: Why did NPI take the post down? Did they get pressure from Democrat leadership? What is the plan by the netroots if they are shut out of power by the Democrats and are not accepted as “full partners”?
I really wish I had cached or copied the full post because it represents why the new Democrat majority in congress is less of a “house of blue” and more of a “house of cards”. It’s a majority that was acquired by running conservative democrats against GOP incumbents, in part fueled by money raised from the extreme left and blogosphere. As slim as the majority is, it seems like it will be difficult to keep all factions happy and motivated and feeling like they have a place at the table.
And, as an aside, how ironic that the netroots biggest and most expensive goal – replacing Joe Lieberman with Ned Lamont – failed. And not only for failing to get Lamont elected, but by making Lieberman, now a swing-voting independent in 49-49-2 split Senate, even more crucial to the Democrats plans to ride that ‘blue wave’.
And if you know of other examples of netroot or progressive meltdowns towards Democrats, send them my way. There should be plenty.
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Jaybo, did you honestly think that no one would check the NPI website? stillwell’s post is there.
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Don’t you just hate it when the Culture of Corruption NECONS come on this blog and lie? I for one am sick of it.
ChristmasGhost if you’re going to continue to come to HA and lie, whine, bitch, complain, and be unpatriotic, please stay away.
“this tokenism about the minimum wage. why not actually raise it to a living wage? why? because then every company would do what i have already started to do….automate everything.
honey…the sooner you figure out that i am always ahead of you, the better off you’ll be.
Commentby christmasghost— 11/7/06@ 10:10 pm”
“ass…my kind?
and just what kind is that? do you mean a person that owns a company that employs people at a very good wage? or the person that spent her own money and blood, sweat and tears to save a wetland? how about the person that does wildlife rescue?
that person? you want that person to go away?
let me guess…you are a seattle parasite that talks big but does nothing. except for yourself…..am i warm yet?Commentby christmasghost— 11/8/06@ 7:39 pm”
When will these fucking lying pieces of shit NEOCONS learn not to lie in writing? Don’t you know you get caught and shamed by us truth seeking LIBERALS?
ChristmasGhost, if you keep lying like this and I’ll bitch slap you around on this blog until you forced to never come back just like I did to that lying piece of shit JCH.
Get over it, you lost. Like President Clinton said, “when Americans vote in mass DEMOCRATS get elected.” Why do you think your fucking shitty party tries to suppress voter turn out? You lying scumbag. The Culture of Corruption runs deep in you immoral shit bags.
So yes, if you’re going to continue to be unAmerican please do us all a favor and stay away.
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Good riddance, George Allen, in fact as far as I can see. Get all the Georges out of there
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Bad news for the kos kids and other progressives.
Bill Clinton: Election No Move to the Left by U.S.
In Ottawa Canada last night, former president Bill Clinton told a crowded forum that the election results were “a rejection of hard-headed, ideological politics in which people just make up their mind what the answer is and then they try to make the facts fit the answer,” according to a report in the Toronto Star.
At a press conference before his address to a Jewish National Fund dinner, Clinton noted: “I think the American people prefer, first, a government that gets things done and is not mired in partisan gridlock.”
Clinton also told reporters at the press conference that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s resignation was “more or less inevitable” because even before the elections, notable military publications in the U.S. were asking for a new direction in Iraq.
It provides an opportunity “to make a new beginning” on Iraq, Clinton added.Clinton told the dinner crowd that Americans, while more “culturally conservative” than Canadians, are at the core “a practical people,” adding, “It would be a big mistake to read the results as some big move to the left in America.”
Confessing that he flew to Canada after staying up until 5 in the morning celebrating his wife Hillary’s re-election to the U.S. Senate, the former president concluded that U.S. voters clearly want a government that doesn’t stray too far to the right or too far to the left.
“They thought that the government has gone too far to the right, is too unaccountable,” Clinton said. “So what they voted for was not necessarily to legitimize the whole Democratic agenda but to give us a chance to build the vital centre of America and to get things done and come together.”
The mid-term results are marching orders to President Bush “for the country to get together,” Clinton concluded.
The Star noted that former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien and his wife, Aline, were at the head table — while Conservatives were notably absent. -
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Firing Rummy was simply a case of the old story about “I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.”
Bush hopes that throwing Rummy overboard will be enough of an offering to the Deep Blue Sea gods that the storm will subside.
No chance, Georgie. The invasion if Iraq has been a fundamental piece of Neocon strategy at least as far back as the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance produced by Wolfowitz and Libbey for then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney. This war is chained to your neck and there’s no getting away.
BTW, here’s a promise to all the right-wingers out there who are asking for civility: I promise to be as civil to all you knuckle-dragging Fascist right-wing howlers as Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly are to Liberals. Stick that in your crack pipes.
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GBS….lying dear? i believe that is your forte, is it not?
what? what i have done and have to say disturbs you because it ruins your whole little “shrewisms” about evil nasty republicans?
oh bring it on baby……i would love to see you TRY to take me down. because you can’t.
this is what happens when you generalize about a whole group of people you ACTUALLY know nothing about. you are just trash that has never ammounted to anything by your own fault [it’s called laziness] and are standing outside the candy store looking in….without anything to buy the candy with. should we feel sorry for you? no….you are a parasite…you have proven that too many times.
ahhh…the base of the far left…..if you thought the far right was crazy these people really take the cake.
and here’s a little thinker for you. you should try and remember that you really don’t KNOW who you are talking to….now do you?
you give the term MEME a whole new meaning as in “what about ME , ME , ME , ME, ME ????????????????
but your post is hysterical.
first of all, what have you done? talked alot [bingo] and done nothing. walked around holding a sign soemeone else made? and still did nothing.talked about the environment but you don’t actually ever do anything, right?
you hate big oil [and once again for that little lefty whine to mean anything…where is LITTLE oil?] and yet, here you are typing on it and burning it up as electricity.
does your hypocrisy know no bounds??????
you are nothing more than a gasbag phoney.
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jaybo and ghost: you lost, get over it.
Progressives are going to do just fine over the coming years. Get used to it. We’re never going to forget what you liars have done to this country since 1994 or since 1980 with Raygun for that matter.
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clueless…raygun? ohmygod…you can’t even come up with YOUR OWN insults. good grief. are you a californian? no? then stop line stealing…it’s so tacky. but obviously you are a 1960’s retread…that line gave you away.
“progressives” won’t be running the DNC or the house and senate…didn’t you get the memo honey? just ask bill or rahm…they already announced it far and wide…where were you?
god…so it’s true!!!! AMAZING!
you fools didn’t even realize you were being used only to be discarded as nuts. i am not worried about the future of this country. i am not worried about moderate democrats. you tools scared the crap out of me….but let’s face it, you are the ONLY ONES that didn’t realize you wouldn’t be running the dog and pony show.
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ghost: you’re such a kook. Keep laughing. The laugh of a mad woman. Did we scare you? Oh sorry about that. NOT!
The democratic caucus moved in a progressive direction. Maybe a modestly progressive direction but still the right direction.
We’re going to keep working to move things in a positive, progressive direction. People like you are for the reactionary way. I’m ok with that. It reminds me of what I’m working against.
I’m not worried about the future either.
About Raygun: he was a bit of a sci-fi buff. He talked about an invasion from Mars with Gorbachev in Iceland. Look it up. It’s true. Hell he loved that a-bomb pumped space laser stuff.
I bet you loved it too.
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Mike!? McGavick is the problem, not the solution. He wants to increase federal deficits by creating “private accounts” with Social Security taxes. We already have private accounts … they’re called IRAs, Roths, Keoghs, and 401(k)s.
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When you vote Tuesday don’t forget the Bushies made America safer by posting Iraqi documents on the internet that tell terrorists how to assemble a nuclear bomb.
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Klan Leader Dies In Prison
Samuel Bowers, 82, convicted and sentenced to life in 1998 for the 1966 murder of civil rights activist Vernon Dahmer, has died in a Mississippi prison.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Good riddance.
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Worst Treehouse of Horror episode ever. Commentby Reporterward— 11/6/06@ 12:51 am
Yeah, it doesn’t follow the TOH format. It’s too true-to-life.
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“O’Connor Worries About Courts’ Autonomy
“SAN FRANCISCO (AP) – Retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said she fears judges are under growing political attack nationwide.
“‘I’m increasingly concerned about the current climate of challenge to judicial independence,’ O’Connor told a gathering of state judges from around the country Friday. ‘Unhappiness with judges today is at a very intense level.’
“The judiciary is the weakest of the three branches of government, she said, and therefore the one with ‘the greatest need to be defended.’
“The executive and legislative branches have become the attackers, so ‘the principal defenders are going to have to be the people of this country,’ … she said.
“O’Connor, who retired in January after 24 years on the nation’s highest court, spoke just days before South Dakota voters consider the ‘Jail 4 Judges’ initiative. It would create a citizens’ grand jury that could authorize lawsuits or criminal prosecutions against judges based on their rulings.
“Colorado voters will decide whether to limit judges on the state’s highest courts to 10 years in office, a measure that would remove five of the state’s seven Supreme Court justices within two years.”
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/y3jcb2
Roger Rabbit Commentary: If Richard Pope doesn’t make it here, he could move to Colorado and try for one of their courts after they’re removed all the qualified judges!
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Next thing you know the wingnuts will accuse O’Connor (a Republican appointed by Reagan) of being a “liberal activist judge.”
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J.A.I.L. 4 Judges is a national organization dedicated to creating citizen “grand juries” in every state (and the federal government) with the power to second-guess — and punish — judges. Implementing their agenda requires amending the state and federal constitutions.
Their proposed legislation provides that no member of the executive or legislative branch, nor any lawyer, may serve on these “grand juries.” The latter, of course, guarantees that judges will be “judged” by people who don’t know anything about law.
Should this fantasy be enacted, I can tell you right now what will happen — there will be no judges serving on our courts except those who agree with the far-right ideology of these wingnut wackos. That’s because no lawyer in his right mind will risk becoming a judge if the Screaming Right acquires the power to sue and jail judges they don’t like.
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Makes you wonder how it even got on the ballot in South Dakota.
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Just to let you know, I backtracked the ISPs used by some of the spammers above and filed abuse reports.
The Haggard case has made me think about “values”. The special committee at his church did not fire him for using an extremely addictive brain damaging drug; but when they discovered that he probably got his cock sucked, they sacked him.
Of course, these are folks who go around town squirting holy water from bug sprayers to keep the demons away…
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19 A few years back, when email spam was just starting to become a real problem, I and other systems administrators would attempt to contact the ISP’s of the originators and point out that such activitity violated their published terms of use. In the course of this I discovered how many of the major porn purveyors were hosted by the likes of AT&T and uunet.
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That is funny! (And, for the record, I supported the war, despite not believing the WMD canard.)
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When you vote Tuesday don’t forget the Bushies made America safer by posting Iraqi documents on the internet that tell terrorists how to assemble a nuclear bomb. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/6/06@ 12:45 am
Furball, you said: “Where are the WMD’s in Iraq?” So how could something nonexistent be posted by your worthless logic?
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Hey Righties. Your inbred cousin Mikey is 16 points behind Cantwell. Bendover girls. It’s time to take your medicine!
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Why is moonbattism against all that is good.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....=rss_world
“With a potentially historic U.S. midterm election on Tuesday and the war in Iraq a major issue at the polls, many soldiers said the United States should not abandon its effort here. Such a move, enlisted soldiers and officers said, would set Iraq on a path to civil war, give new life to the insurgency and create the possibility of a failed state after nearly four years of fighting to implant democracy.
“Take us out of that vacuum — and it’s on the edge now — and boom, it would become a free-for-all,” said Lt. Col. Mark Suich, who commands the 1st Squadron, 89th Cavalry Regiment just south of Baghdad. “It would be a raw contention for power. That would be the bloodiest piece of this war.”
The soldiers declined to discuss the political jousting back home, but they expressed support for the Bush administration’s approach to the war, which they described as sticking with a tumultuous situation to give Iraq a chance to stand on its own.”
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The truth will set you free moonbats. It’s worth repeating the truth!
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To Roger Rabbit and his friends, there are only two worlds left: terrorist free or terrorist controlled. Apparently are for the latter. Why? Below is an article with real names, not one with anonymous entries from unnamed sources!
“Terrorists love Democrats: “By Aaron Klein
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.comJERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday’s midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.
The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are “tired.”
They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed. Of course, donk and islamofascists think alike!
They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.
Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”
“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”
Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.
“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.
The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America’s war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq.
President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region
The debate became especially poignant following remarks by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the 2004 presidential candidate who voted in support of the war in Iraq. Earlier this week he intimated American troops are uneducated, and it is the uneducated who “get stuck in Iraq.”
Kerry, under intense pressure from fellow Democrats, now says his remarks were a “botched joke.”
Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi’s comments on Iraqi insurgency
Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.
In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”
Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.
WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.
Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.” – Moonbats how come the CNNs of the world could not find these Muslims? Or I think they didn’t want to show America the real enemy. They were scooped!
He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”
Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would “mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America).”
“Therefore, a victory in Iraq would be a greater defeat for America than in Vietnam.”
Jaara said vacating Iraq would also “reinforce Palestinian resistance organizations, especially from the moral point of view. But we also learn from these (insurgency) movements militarily. We look and learn from them.”
Hamas’ Abu Abdullah argued a withdrawal from Iraq would “convince those among the Palestinians who still have doubts in the efficiency of the resistance.” Did you say cut and run emboldens their resistance?
“The victory of the resistance in Iraq would prove once more that when the will and the faith are applied victory is not only a slogan. We saw that in Lebanon (during Israel’s confrontation against Hezbollah there in July and August); we saw it in Gaza (after Israel withdrew from the territory last summer) and we will see it everywhere there is occupation,” Abdullah said.
While the terror leaders each independently urged American citizens to vote for Democratic candidates, not all believed the Democrats would actually carry out a withdrawal from Iraq.
Saadi stated, “Unfortunately I think those who are speaking about a withdrawal will not do so when they are in power and these promises will remain electoral slogans. It is not enough to withdraw from Iraq. They must withdraw from Afghanistan and from every Arab and Muslim land they occupy or have bases.”
He called both Democrats and Republicans “agents of the Zionist lobby in the U.S.”
Abu Abdullah commented once Democrats are in power “the question is whether such a courageous leadership can [withdraw]. I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so. I tell the American people vote for withdrawal. Abandon Israel if you want to save America. Now will this Happen? I do not believe it.”
Still Jihad Jaara said the alternative is better than Bush’s party.
“Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world.” – Now where did he hear that except from the fringe moonbats!
Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:02 am
#More thoughts for you Roger Rabbit:
Democrats: ‘No comment’
on terrorists’ endorsement
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Posted: November 3, 2006
5:00 p.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.comNational leaders in the Democratic Party, including Howard Dean’s Democratic National Committee, potential House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, possible presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and longtime party stalwart Ted Kennedy don’t want to talk with WorldNetDaily about an endorsement their party has received.
The endorsement came via a WND article by Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, who interviewed leaders of several prominent Mideast terrorist organizations, including Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad.
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.
Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
But WND was unable to get a single comment from dozens of telephone calls made over two days and messages left with various leaders’ offices and press secretaries.
“I’ll see what we can do,” was the best response WND obtained when asking for a comment on the endorsement, and that came from Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Hammill in Pelosi’s office. It came on the third call to that office.
The Democratic National Committee was approached at least six times, and multiple messages were deposited on a voice mail system handled by the courteous Rosemary, who said, “We’re extremely busy,” but there was no response, even after one spokesman in Sen. Barack Obama’s officer referred WND to the DNC because such a question would be in “Chairman Dean’s” territory.
The Democratic Leadership Council’s response to multiple phone calls was similar, a promise to call back later.
At least three messages left with Sen. Clinton’s office went unreturned after a receptionist forwarded the calls to an answering machine, which informed WND that, “No one is available to take your call at this time.”
Calls to Sen. Kennedy’s office actually reached a live person, who listened to the request and promised, “If we’re able to we’ll shoot you something. We can’t promise.”
Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar’s office generated a merry-go-round of telephone numbers. A call to his Washington office generated a referral to a Denver office, which generated a referral to a press office, which generated a referral to a cell phone. When a spokesman answered that number, the caller was referred back to the press office, which had an answering machine attached to the line. Leave a message.
A call to Sen. Harry Reid also allowed the caller to leave a message.
On the Republican side, Sen. Tom Tancredo, of Colorado, said those Mideast leaders are right – in one way.
He told WND that the assessment by terrorists who suggested U.S. voters choose the Democrats on Tuesday because they believe an expected removal of U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory is hard to dispute.
“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.
“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.
“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.
The president’s recent statements also have given those factions reason to hope for better results under a Democrat Party leadership than the existing decision-makers.
“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said during a campaign stop this week. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.
“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction.
“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.
Of course Goldie is a no show on this. This blows apart any further consideration who supports cut and run and who is supportive of cut and run!
Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:06 am
#Next for your review Roger Rabbit. This is the real world. Something you and your furballettes do not live in:
“ELECTION 2006
Lawmaker: Terrorists
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Posted: November 3, 2006
12:41 p.m. Eastern© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.
Leaders of Mideast terrorist organizations such as the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad are right – in one way, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.
Terrorists interviewed by WorldNetDaily suggested Americans should vote for Democrats Tuesday, because the party’s plan to remove U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory.
Tancredo today told WND the assessment is hard to dispute.
“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.
“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.
“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into, and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.
Multiple messages left over the course of two days seeking comment from the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Leadership Council, the offices of Sens. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton and others were not returned to WND.
The Republican National Committee also did not return a message asking for comment.
The president’s recent statements also have given the terrorists reason to hope for better results should the Democrat Party leadership be in power rather than the existing decision-makers.
“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction,” Bush said during a recent campaign stop.
“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.
“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.
His comments were on the same subject being discussed by those terrorist leaders this week.
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.
They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.
They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.
Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.
Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
Bush’s comments came on a campaign swing through southern states, where he was stumping for Republican candidates in a mid-term election that could leave either Republicans or Democrats in control of Congress, and terrorists a focal point of many debates.
“We will defeat them,” he promised. “We’ll defeat them because our commanders on the ground have all the flexibility necessary to make sure that we constantly stay ahead of the enemy. We’ll defeat them because we got a fantastic United States military,” he said.
“We will succeed in Iraq because the Iraqis want to live in a peaceful society. Twelve million – nearly 12 million defied car-bombers and assassins and terrorists and went to vote. … And I believe strongly that they’ll become a government of the people, and by the people, and for the people.
“As a matter of fact, I believe the only way we cannot succeed is if we leave before the job is done,” he said.
Bush said Democrats have talked a lot about different plans to deal with terrorism.
“They’ve come up with a lot of creative ways to describe leaving Iraq before the job is done. Sometimes they say, ‘immediate redeployment.’ Sometimes they say they wouldn’t spend another dime on our troops. Sometimes they say the idea that we’re going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong. However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses,” he said.
But in a statement on their website, the Democrats said, “We will protect Americans at home and lead the world by telling the truth to our troops, our citizens and our allies. We believe in a strong national defense that is both tough and smart, recognizing that homeland security begins with hometown security.”
“Democrats have a plan that is comprehensive – from repairing our military, to winning the war on terror, to protecting our homeland security, to ensuring success in Iraq and freeing America of its dependence on foreign oil – and it will finally prepare America for the security needs of the 21st Century. And we honor the sacrifices our troops, their families and veterans by making sure we take care of them when they come home,” the statement continued.
A new New York Times poll also indicated that Americans believe the U.S. will pursue a “quicker exit from Iraq” should the Democrats be in control. The survey said Americans believe the Democrats “have coalesced around a general position of finding a way to reduce or end American involvement in Iraq” but it also noted “there is substantial disagreement among Democratic Congressional leaders and candidates about exactly how to accomplish that.”
“Nearly 75 percent of respondents, including 67 percent of Republicans and 92 percent of Democrats, said they expected that Americans (sic) troops would be taken out of Iraq more swiftly under a Democratic-led Congress.”
The poll said 41 percent of respondents said they expected that troop levels would decrease if Democrats won control, while 40 percent said the party would seek to remove all troops. Forty-one percent said that they expected troop levels to remain the same if Republicans won, while 29 percent said they thought the United States would send more troops if the Republicans continued to control Congress.
Vice President Dick Cheney has reinforced Bush’s plans:
“Time and time again, we’re seeing examples of Democratic Party leaders apparently having lost their perspective concerning the nature of the enemy we face, and the need to wage this fight aggressively,” he said in a campaign stop this week. “No sharper example can be found than the Democratic Party chairman himself, Howard Dean, who said the capture of Saddam Hussein didn’t make America any safer.”
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, told WND the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”
“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”
Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.
“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.
Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.
In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”
Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.
WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.
Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.”
He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”
I guess John Murtha is right? Wrong!
Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:11 am
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Here is something to wake up the clueless ones in the morning:
http://people-press.org/reports/tables/295.pdf
The race is tightening up!
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GBS………..Very soon!!! Thank you John “Swift Boat” Kerry!!!!
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Dear ACORN, Illegals, New York City Jews who “double” vote Democrat in NYC and Palm Beach, and Democrat Blacks who get bussed to several polls in Milwaukee, Border Patrol with dogs, and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll to arrest and deport you on Tuesday!! Voter fraud is a capital offense!!!
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Mike Webb SUCKS! Come over. I need a massage. Bring some “stuff” too.
I’ll let you talk to the Preznit…
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Ted Haggard look alike: Sorry you are not my type. My type is soft female and has nice suckable protrusions on their chest.
I see you want to emulate him. Better call Mike Jones!
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It’s worth ignoring giant, rambling, incoherant cut-and-paste jobs that foul an otherwise intelligent blog.
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Maybe it was naother thread that MWS W\was spamming with the same posts (minus the three-page WorldNetDaily scumfest).
For all of you who said that the NYTimes was guilty of treason for exposing illegal administration activities:
You do not post detailed classified plans for making the components of a nuke on the Internet! As if this needs any escalating qualifiers, you especially don’t post it in Arabic in the middle of a war against well-financed terrorists teeming with crazy, suicidal jihadists. We have no way of knowing how much this helped the bad guys, but that’s hardly the point. It does not matter how useful the information given away turns out to be. At the least, for those at fault it should mean being firedb> plus immediate revocation of any and all security clearances. If done knowingly for a seedy, ulterior motive against the stated consensus of seasoned national security professionals, it is a capital crime. You’re lucky if you get forty years in the federal pen for giving secrets to the enemy.
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re 42: Go away. You’re an idiot.
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You do not post detailed classified plans for making the components of a nuke on the Internet!
Yeah. WOS is really into that crap. The Preznit made sure the 101st fighting keyboarders and crazy Curt Weldon could fuel their fantasies with all that crap and in the process hand WMD howto over to anybody.
Wingnuttia is the real deal mental disorder!
WOS loves terror..
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You can make good money as a hatchet man but you need to make enough moolah to live in a gated community w/ security cameras.
Don’t come to my house looking for your pension you seedy old derelict.
I make the hard decisions. You are fired and I get a $28 million golden parachute. Wow!! That wasn’t so hard!
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I traced all the troll posts to Ed Orcutt. He is soooo predictable.
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The moonbats are getting edgy, I think they realize they are about to lose the only poll that counts.
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If Democrats are getting edgy, then why is the NRCC paying for robocalls that violate FCC rules?
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Dick Cheney is going hunting, agian. Does this mean that he will “bag” another lawyer?
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The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday. “Bush is bad” is good…but not enough to do a 1994-like turn.
Too bad, if they could have gotten it together this year, it would have been easy.
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BigGlen, Dick Cheney described this election as critical in determining the direction we take in the “ideological struggle of the 21st century.” I guess, once again, Dick Cheney has “other priorities.”
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Dick Cheney hasn’t announced his hunting buddies yet for this trip. That will be determined after tomorrow’ election. Lots of “expendable” Republicans will be available, who will have a lot of extra time on their hands.
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“The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday. “Bush is bad” is good…but not enough to do a 1994-like turn.
Too bad, if they could have gotten it together this year, it would have been easy.”
Commentby Thomas Trainwinder— 11/6/06@ 9:01 am
Oh, well. Since Mr. Trainwinder says that the Democrats can’t win this year, I guess it’s just a waste of my time to vote.
I’ll just stay home and let the Republicans keep spending my Great-grandchildren’s credit, while getting my shipmates killed and alienating most of the world.
I suppose that it’s a waste of time for me to get out and do my part to elect a House of Representatives that will actually look into the many ethical lapses of the Republicans. There’s just nothing I can do about removing the culture of corruption that has totally controlled Washington DC for the last six years.
Mr. Trainwinder tells me that we can’t win, and that the Democrats basic idea that the first thing we have to do is stop heading in the wrong direction isn’t good enough. Oh, the heartbreak. I had hoped that we could re-take the House, but now that Mr. Trainwinder has told me that it’s a lost cause, I suppose that I’ll just stay home tomorrow and watch reruns of old “Matlock” episodes.
Of course, since all of us Democrats are going to stay home and watch Matlock, there really isn’t any reason why Republicans should go out in the nasty weather and vote, either. I hear that it will be a really good Matlock episode. No need to head out there in the rain. Why don’t you just stay home?
We’ll tell you how the election turns out.
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56 NPR was reporting that Cheney’s going hunting with his daughter.
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Saddam WHO???
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I’ve been bar-b-queing and eating babies to relieve my pre-election anxiety. But it’s OK. They’re fully born babies so no murder is involved.
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Oprah told about a bazillion chicks to vote DEM. Who you think them chicks listen to? Rush Limbaugh or Oprah Winfrey-Stedman.
Uh oh! Oprah spotted that “Winfrey-Stedman” comment and she’s headed my way with a skillet full of hot bacon fat!!!
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@36 – I have often wondered whether neo-cons understand “reverse psychology” even as blatantly poor a representation of it as you quote in your post.
Al-Queida and their ilk want people to vote Republican because they know the Republican party will follow orders and make a lot of money and arms flow into the terrorists coffers.
But terrorists are stupid. They consider this press release to be “cutting edge” and think it will fool Americans into voting for Bush. They don’t realize that we as a nation have cut our teeth on the best that advertising has to offer and aren’t going to be fooled by some pathetic attempt to keep the republicans in control.
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I thought this was the only poll that counts:
Fox news poll: “Nearly half of likely voters — 49 percent — favor the Democratic candidate in their House district and 36 percent the Republican, with 15 percent still undecided in a FOX News poll conducted the final weekend before the midterm elections. More Democrats (37 percent) than Republicans (26 percent) say they are extremely interested in tomorrow’s elections, and more Democrats (89 percent) than Republicans (81 percent) say they plan to vote for their party’s candidate in their district…Independents favor the Democratic candidate by 42 percent to 27 percent…”
Anyway, what you’re seeing is Democrats getting excited. The ass kicking is about to begin. I predict 27 seats in the House and 5 in the Senate (1 short of control). Say hello to Speaker Pelosi.
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They tried to demonize Nancy Pelosi, but no one knew who she was. It’s hard to frighten voters with a “bogeyperson” named, NANCY!
What a bunch of YOHO’s!!!
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“The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday”
The Republicans lack a cohesive plan to “generate” victory in Iraq, and everyone knows it.
And the seven-point lead in the (USAToday/Gallup) generic poll is exactly where the congressional generic was for the Gallup poll for the Republicans in 1994. And Fox News is reporting a 13-point edge in the generic poll.
So, to close, you don’t know what you’re talking about. However, your ignorant opinion is noted.
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Oh, my sweet and bleeding Jesus! I’m so scared! Here comes Nancy Pelosi!!! (hehe)
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JCH,
You’re correct, very soon one of us will be banned from HA permanently. Since we’re so close to never exchanging barbs again let me ask you just one question. And, for Pete’s sake, please be honest.
Why did you mislead people and try to convince them that the reason you didn’t finish flight school and become a Naval aviator was just a figment of my “vivid imagination?”
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John,
No, it’s not a waste to vote. I’m just saying that the democrats failed to develop a meaningful platform other than “Bush is Bad”.
The republicans are great at getting out the vote and focusing efforts at constiuencies that are under represented in polls.
It was a golden opportunity … avoided.
Look at the 8th district. Any decent, experienced democrat would have a 5-10 point lead going into election day. Instead, the democrats have an inexperienced contender. It’s just one example of the lack of party planning and will.
Remember 2004? The Dems felt really strong going in (Iraq was pretty bad) and the Reps bucked history and added to their majorities.
This was the year for the Dems to get cohesive. They failed. That’s too bad…as I want a change in congress. I just wish there had been the equivalent of a “contract with America” that was meaningful.
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Unfortunately, your response proves my point.
The Dems platform is effectively “The Reps. don’t have a strategy”.
You say I don’t know what I’m talking about. Perhaps. I hope the Dems take at least one house. I just feel that they missed their big change.
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Newsweek’s Last Polling, reported Nov. 4th:
“Nov. 4, 2006 – As President George W. Bush jets across Red State America this weekend, Republican candidates are falling further behind Democratic rivals, according to the new NEWSWEEK poll. While the GOP has lagged behind Democrats throughout the campaign season, the trend in the past month—when NEWSWEEK conducted four polls in five weeks—had suggested the Republicans were building momentum in the homestretch.
No more. The new poll finds support for Republicans (and for President Bush) receding. For example, 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win enough seats to take control of one or both houses of Congress in the midterm elections on Tuesday. Those results are close to early October levels, while less than a third of Americans (32 percent) want Republicans to retain control. If the elections were held today, 54 percent of likely voters say they would support the Democratic candidate in their district versus 38 percent who would vote for the Republican-a 16-point edge for the Democrats….
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GBS, Again, your question has been answered in previous posts. FYI, I figure you are out of here in 48 hours, and I will take full credit for taking out the liberal Democrat traitor garbage. [BTW, COKER wins in TENN………Liberman goes independent, and Kerry’s big liberal “insult the troops” mouth kicks you off HA.ORG. “Game…….Set……..Match” Regards, JCH
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I love the Ink Spots.
Were Kodos and Kang supposed to be symbolic of the chickenhawks and Iraq, or the Federal Reserve (Greenspan and Bernanke) and the credit bubble, or both?
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SurveyUSA polls in Virginia shows Jim Webb with 52% of the likely voters, with 44% going to Macaca Allen.
Count Virgina into the total, baby!
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“I just wish there had been the equivalent of a “contract with America” that was meaningful.”
You’re not paying attention either in here or in the big world.
The Democratic party has it’s Six Point Plan, which you somehow missed. Hard to say how, since the rolled it out in July 2006.
And, of course, in every major paper in the country you COULD have read about Speaker=to-be Pelosi’s First 100 Hours agenda, but you didn’t.
You see, “they don’t have a plan:” is the Republican way to keep you from realizing that “The Republican plan ISN’T WORKING.” Seems like they really “catapulted the propaganda” in your case.
Six Point Plan:
1. Honest Leadership & Open Government
2. Real Security
3. Energy Independence
4. Economic Prosperity & Educational Excellence
5. A Healthcare System that Works for Everyone
6. Retirement SecurityFirst 100 hours agenda:
Day One: Put new rules in place to “break the link between lobbyists and legislation.”Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Time remaining until 100 hours:
– Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
– Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds _ “I hope with a veto-proof majority,” she added in an Associated Press interview Thursday.All the days after that:
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Dear Terrorist Moooooooooooooslims and illegal aliens, NO!! YOU MAY NOT VOTE!!!!! Border Patrol with big attack dogs and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll!!! In addition, Democrat blacks in Milwaukee who destroy Republican vans tonight will be arrested and will lose their “guvment” checks!!!!
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Coker wins in Tennessee? Oh, wow, what a blow to Democrats; we fail to capture one of the seven possible pickups. Is that what “victory” looks like to you pathetic losers now?
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Pennsylvania: Casey (D) win
Ohio: Brown (D) win
Maryland: Cardin (D) win
Rhode Island: Whitehouse (D) win
Montana: Tester (D) win
Virgnia: Webb (D) win
Missouri: McCaskill (D) winAnd Connecticut? I think Lamont can do it, but it’s not a good bet.
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Illegal Democrat voting Mooooooooooooooooooooooslims who are not citizens will be deported back to Mooooooooooooooooooooooslimland!!!!
Daddy Love, 25% of Democrat votes in NM [Baja Norte, MX] are ILLEGAL!!!!!! Hey Illegals!!!! Border Partrol and the MinuteMen are ready!!! We will deport you and your “anchor babies”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JCH,
You never said “why” you felt compelled to lie about your military service, which has been the gist of my line of questioning all along.
What you don’t understand about the Liberman race is that if he wins that helps my position because Liberman will cacus with the Democrats for control of the senate. Remember the bet; whichever party controls the senate.
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cont. @ 80
The bet is the Dems will control the House AND the Senate.
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Riiiiigghhht, Daddy, Rrrriiight.
Not.
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I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a family man(shut up you fat whore…..Where’s Mike?) or being a hypocrit. I hate liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. HAIL HITLER!
Open thread
I love Cliff Schecter.
Remember all those years when you’d watch some GOP SOB viciously shouting down some stiff, jaw-clenched Democrat who would just politely bend over and take it? Well no more. This is how the game is played, and unless everybody gets together and agrees to change the rules, this is how we’re going to play it.
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Absolutely Awesome! I have found Cliff to be a bit ‘inappropriate’ – like with a woman named Mary Katherine-somebody he debated on CNN a couple of weeks ago but, matched with an A–hole like this Brad, he was perfect.
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That Blakeman is a classic wingnut GOP shill. All the corruption and failure of GOP just seems to be no big deal – he just shrugs and says it’s all “untrue”.
The only way to deal with people like this is to defeat them utterly – vote them out and keep them out for a generation.
But it won’t happen until people give a damn.
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No negotiations with these bastards, Goldy! We’ll never return to “business as usual” with Republicans. Nothing less than unconditional surrender and Nuremberg-style trials. Let’s bomb them into submission!
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In case anybody missed it, this item is worth reposting:
Editorial
The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.
In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.
In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.
Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response.
Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.
It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.
But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.
This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.
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Pastor Ted confesses to his flock (through a spokesman).
I HAVE SINNED!!!!
Sigh.. Like we haven’t heard this before?
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Bush finally speaks the truth:
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Damn you for telling me to watch that and not warning me about the involvement of Rita Cosby.
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18 REPUBLICAN Congressmen CURRENTLY under FEDERAL investigation.
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Cliff is my hero. Right up there with Keith Olbermann and, oddly enough, Mike Lupica, the esteemed and extremely liberal, sportswriter at the NY Daily News. Today he had the following FRONT PAGE OPINION in the NY Daily News. Take a moment and read it.
We are not going to take it anymore. We are taking our damn country back.
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Bravo to Cliff, best thing is he’s probably Jewish!
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Man this guy is great. We need MUCH MUCH MUCH more of this to beat these traitors.
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Isn’t it funny that the word “testosterone” keep running in the crawler for a segment hosted by Rita Cosby?
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GREGOIRE PROPOSES $315,000,000 TAX CUT
08:25 AM PST on Friday, November 3, 2006
Associated PressOLYMPIA, Wash. – Washington businesses and workers would save an estimated $315 million under a proposed six-month suspension of some of the payments they make for workers’ compensation insurance. … The fund would still have enough money to pay benefits for injured workers. … State officials say the payments can be suspended because of a large budget surplus.
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The righties probably will spin it as a Democratic attempt to reduce the amount of money refunded to employers to cut into BIAW’s L & I refund skimming racket.
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Schecter is a LIAR. Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.
At any rate, Republicans will retain control of congress. No way will Democrats get both houses of congress. So live it up in your fantasy land liberals. Realisty strikes on Tuesday!
Here are some sample conspiracy theories for you to rehearse for Tuesday:
Diebold machines
Voter suppression in Ohio (oops, better not mention that tired point as the MSM did report on Democrats trading crack cocaine for fraudulent voter registrations there).
Chimp, chimp, chimpy McChimp.
I am sure you all can think of more. You’ll have plenty of time here a the asylum to work on it over the next 4 years though. Enjoy!
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Schecter is a LIAR. Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.
And Cliff didn’t say he wasn’t. He said Bush didn’t respond to the Cole attack. Bush was president when the intelligence agencies confirmed who was behind the Cole attack. So, thanks for highlighting another Bush screwup.
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Righty, I think we will do better than that. But I must say that I don’t think this fellow did our side any good by his foul mouthed invectives. I am not excusing the GOP guy, but we are supposed to show we are above that.
We don’t need filthy language to win elections. That fellow was shameful. At the end of the day, all that shouting down does is turn off voters.
It makes me want to say to hell with it.
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Commentby FaithfulDemocrat
I agree. If only all Democrats were like Joe Lieberman! When Joe called Lamont a jerk, that was classy. And when Joe’s supporters blocked Lamont from speaking at a senior center, that made me want to run out and vote immediately. And when Joe changes his positions to match whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear, my faith in democracy is reestablished.
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“I love Cliff Schecter.”
Goldy,
I can see the reason for your affection of schecter after listening to the guy. Are you moonlighting as a scriptwriter for Schecter? You both think alike.
“Well no more. This is how the game is played, and unless everybody gets together and agrees to change the rules, this is how we’re going to play it.”
Continue on, the REAL american people will tire of the language and ugliness real fast…. So please don’t stop….
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IT’S THAT “LIBERAL MEDIA” AGAIN!!!
Hmmmm … the Vancouver Columbian isn’t exactly a bastion of lefty thinking, especially on its editorial pages. In particular, that newspaper prints copious quantities of irrational, wingnutty, far right “letters to the editor.” Maybe they just grow ’em crazy down there in Clark County. Anyway, their editorial staff apparently has at least one voice of reason:
‘Death tax’ might be on its death bed
Sunday, November 5, 2006
JOHN LAIRD Columbian editorial page editorTwo weeks ago I boldly suggested that increasing the investment in public education might increase the dividends. Such a bizarre theory, as expected, had the anti-tax crusaders contorting like bacon on a griddle. Many unleashed their hackneyed lament about “just throwin’ money at the problem!”
Cheer up, tightwads! I bring good tidings. I predict Initiative 920 will pass next Tuesday, and our state estate tax will be repealed. Oh, but the news gets even better: When the “death tax” dies, that means $184 million will be taken from public education. And that comes on the heels of last week’s lawsuit filed by a dozen school districts, claiming that the state is spending $130 million short of what’s needed for special education.
So, instead of just throwin’ money at the problem, in these two cases we can actually deny public education a combined $314 million! All together now: Cell-uh-brate! Good times! Come on!
Flash back to 1944, when Congress decided to just throw money at a public need, mostly in public education. In the ensuing eight years, an astounding $14 billion was thrown by the government. Whitey Ford never threw so much. The commitment continues today. We just keep throwin’ money too many billions to accurately measure by now.
The original intent was to help victorious American soldiers of World War II resume their regular lives. The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944 became better known as the GI Bill.
Writing for the Los Angeles Times (his column appeared in The Columbian last Tuesday), author Edward Humes noted that the GI Bill “transformed the nation and the very nature of the American dream, opening up the colleges, raising suburbs out of bean fields, creating a new middle class and providing the medical, engineering and scientific prowess that conquered long-feared diseases, ushered in the Information Age and helped win the Cold War.” Bob Dole called the GI Bill the “biggest piece of legislation the country ever passed.”
GI Bill money has been thrown at 20 million veterans and dependents, people who went on to become three presidents (George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter), 14 Nobel Prize winners, doctors, nurses, teachers and tycoons.
But what’s in it for the taxpayers?
Anti-tax crusaders will snarl: So what? Just more government hand-outs, right? Perhaps, but a congressional study in 1988 revealed that the GI Bill has returned almost $7 for every dollar the public has invested. That dividend is measured in increased consumer spending and increased taxes paid by people who would not have gone to college without the GI Bill. Even as America’s gesture of gratitude to veterans has become a six-decade investment with a return of almost 7-to-1, surely there were those back in 1944 who complained about “throwin’ money at the problem.”
Fast-forward now to 2006 and the pending death-tax funeral. The Colum-bian endorsed I-920, and I predict most voters will agree. But a few of us voted against I-920 for one simple reason: We believe recipients of unearned income should be taxed the same as recipients of hard-earned income. The death tax’s postmortem will show two things:
* That $184 million tab won’t go away. Ultimately it will be paid by you and me, recipients of our own hard-earned income, mostly middle-class folks.
* Recipients of unearned income a few hundred multimillionaire heirs will hoist crystal goblets to toast I-920. Fat cats will get to buy bigger yachts.
Until then, while many angry people excoriate public investments, consider a few common personal investments:
Have you ever paid a dollar for a 20-ounce bottle of water? That’s $6.40 a gallon for the most plentiful liquid on Earth, stuff you can walk into any public building and drink for free.
Ever paid 75 cents for air for your tires? Or 45 cents extra just to use a debit card at a gas pump?
Finally, were you one of those giddy “investors” who poured $458 million last year into our state lottery ($73 per state resident)? Oh, but that was voluntary, you insist? Yes, but I would argue that supporting public education and investing in milestone measures such as the GI Bill likely will pay a bigger dividend than scratching frantically in some parking lot on a piece of cardboard.
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The inheritance tax repeal is a scam, of course. The $184 million of education needs it de-funds won’t go away. All this initiative does is transfer taxes from the very wealthy to people of ordinary means.
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The Vancouver Columbian reported today,
“An oversight by an employee in the U.S. Postal Service’s Portland office led to delayed delivery of several thousand Clark County ballots, mostly to Ridgefield-area voters. Auditor Greg Kimsey said they finally were delivered five or six days later than should have been the case, but still well ahead of Nov. 7.” http://tinyurl.com/ydwoaw
Watch the wingnuts spin that into,
“King County disenfranchised military voters again!”
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Actually, I couldn’t find a single wingnut letter in today’s on-line edition of The Columbian. But kudos to Eric C. Jensen of Vancouver for taking on one of that newspaper’s irrational, wingnutty, far right letter writers:
“Regarding Don Jennings’ Oct. 30 letter, ‘Keep GOP in control,’ the most recent surge of violence in Iraq is related to the holy month of Ramadan, not the attempt by insurgents to get Democrats elected to replace Republicans. … Please stop getting opinions from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the other talking-points locksteppers. Use the lessons of history to formulate your arguments.”
And to Dave Vallely of Vancouver:
“The terrorists in their wildest dreams never imagined doing as much damage to America as this Republican administration has done. … The Republicans have trashed the U.S. Constitution …. Why are Republicans attacking and trashing gold-star mothers, retired generals, veteran U.S. senators and anyone who questions their failures? Because all they have is fear-mongering and hate. … Democracy: use it or lose it. Get informed, get involved and vote ….”
Thank God not everyone in Clark County is flaming nuts! And thanks, guys, for standing up to the wingnut bullies — that’s what it’s going to take to save our country from fascism.
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Schecter opened a nice can of whupass on that guy. There are so many facts to sling at these crooks that it is hard to do it effectively and breathe too. Cliff is a model for how to play this bullshit “he said she said” game. And oh, didn’t Rita try her damndest to prop up the Bushies on the Saddam verdict? Just like her Ken Mehlman talking points told her to.
Roll on Tuesday.
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And now … let’s check the local fish wrapper whose owner tirelessly laments that $900 million mom-and-pops like him are being driven out of business by evil conglomerates.
In a story on the 8th CD race:
“Voters frustrated by Republicans also were skeptical that Democrats could do better. And those who have soured on the GOP’s party loyalty thought the Democrats would be just as partisan.” http://tinyurl.com/yfqx6x
That’s liberal-biased reporting for ya. Next …
“The seemingly endless 2006 election season wraps up Tuesday …. Here is a handy clip-and-save list of Seattle Times endorsements and recommendations in key races:
“Republican Mike McGavick … has the potential to be an innovative and influential senator for our state. …
“In the 5th District, Republican incumbent Cathy McMorris is picked. Her knowledge of the issues has improved dramatically in her first term.
“Our 8th District endorsement goes to Republican incumbent Dave Reichert …. Democratic opponent Darcy Burner has too thin a résumé to replace him.
“Initiative 920 … the state estate tax … hurts family businesses and raises a marginal amount of money for state government. …”
You get the idea — more liberal crapola. Next …
“Kerry was certainly not a scholar in college, so his draft-avoidance objective … is probably the reason he enlisted in the Navy.” — Gary Kennedy, a proud member of the USMC and graduate from UW with higher grades than John Kerry, Des Moines
Roger Rabbit Comment — See what I mean about irrational, wingnutty, far right letter writers? Guess today is the Seattle Fish Wrapper’s day to get ’em, because there’s more:
“Kerry went to college, got a push-button degree, and went to Vietnam (as an officer) to film his heroics. Pathetic.” — Kurt Mahugh, Woodinville
But thank God not all of the Fish Wrapper’s letter writers are nuts:
“Yes, the Democrats believe in bringing our troops home — alive …” — Dan Slaby, Auburn
“The Times has admonished Sen. John Kerry for his late apology for an obviously botched joke about Mr. Bush …. The president has never apologized for a botched war … for providing our troops with inadequate body armor … for dividing this nation … for turning us into the world’s pariah. And while we are at it, the Republican leadership has not apologized for not holding this administration accountable for its incompetence.” — Peter Moore, Seattle
Thanks, guys, for standing up to the rightwing bullies and nuts! You’re real Americans. As opposed to the fake, swaggering, smug, know-it-all, flag-waving kind.
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Another GOP campaign ad … ?
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“Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.”
“According to Dr. (Condoleeza) Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s.”
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I certainly hope that after the Democrat party is dealt defeat in their attempt to take over the congress that they finally overthrow the leftist hate American scum that has taken over the party and return to it roots as a centrist party.
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The USS Cole was attacked on October 18, 2000 — about 3 months before Clinton left office. It was not immediately known who was behind the attack. How the hell do you retaliate when you don’t even know who did it? By January 20, 2001 — 5 days after Bush’s inauguration — the CIA and FBI were pointing the finger at Al Qaeda.
Bush’s national security advice, Condi Rice, tells us Bush — not Clinton — decided against a military retaliation against Al Qaeda for the Cole bombing (one supposes it would be similar to Clinton’s cruise missile attacks on Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan) because he didn’t want to attack A.Q. piecemeal, he wanted to eliminate it. So Bush, according to Wikipedia (which footnotes to the official 9/11 Commission report), “began work on a new strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda” — and did nothing to A.Q. until after 9/11.
What Wikipedia doesn’t mention is the Clinton administration warned incoming Bush officials that Al Qaeda was the most serious threat the U.S. faced; that the Clinton administration developed a comprehensive plan to fight terrorism and gave it to the Bush administration; and that the Bush administration shelved it and did absolutely nothing until 9/11 shook the Bushies out of their lethargy. They were busy. Bush was busy taking vacations in Texas (42% of his first 9 months in office), and Republicans were busy passing tax cuts for millionaires.
Spin, spin, spin. The Cole was one of the first balls that Bush dropped. It would not be the last, only a harbinger of the incompetence, lethargy, and negligence to come.
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It makes me want to say to hell with it. Commentby FaithfulDemocrat— 11/5/06@ 1:18 pm
Maybe you should go back and review Coulter’s remarks about wanting to kill liberals and Democrats. You’re under attack, my friend. Newt Gingrich told these guys to wage “civil war” against us, and that’s exactly what they’re doing. Would you rather get shot in the front advancing toward the enemy or shot in the back running from the enemy? If you’re a Democrat, you have no other choices at this point.
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You first. Your side started it. We’ll stop when you stop.
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Is that you, ProudAss? Pretending to be a “faithful Democrat?”
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Has anyone besides me noticed a rash of wingnuts pretending to be Democrats lately? The GOP is so bad even the wingnuts don’t want to be called “Republicans” anymore. They’re like John Gacy pretending to be a clown.
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Oh gawd, that made my heart feel good! I’m sorry politics has become a shout-down match of attacks but the rethugs started it. . . we’ve finally got somebody who can do it back. Good ole’ Brad was swallowing a lot trying to keep up and trying to find something to say . . . revisiting Clinton? That’s lost its effect. Finally had to personally attack Chris . . . what a values-bankrupt party, this so-called “party of values.”
Also, I heard some talk on CSpan that quite a few voters in Tennessee didn’t even know Ford was black . . . they liked what he had to say and what he stood for. So, racism raises its ugly head again. Bigotry still pays its way, doesn’t it.
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““According to Dr. (Condoleeza) Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s.””
Liar Rabbit, how about printing the FULL quote instead of the select portions? LIAR!!!
“According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s. She said he “made clear to us that he did not want to respond to al Qaeda one attack at a time. He told me he was ‘tired of swatting flies.'” The administration instead began work on a new strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda.
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So he went to Iraq – the one country where the dictator didn’t want anything to do with Osama?
Even in context, Rabbit’s right. What fools you all are! (I’m laughing so hard at this weak attempt to diffuse an accurate quote) Afghanistan was the war . . . Iraq an induldence that cost thousands their lives while Bush dithers in bush-cutting country. What idiots you are!
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“They’re like John Gacy pretending to be a clown.”
John Gacy was a Democrat.
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And Bundy was a Republican. So what? You’ve reached the bottom of the barrel. Finally.
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Here:
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml
Beck sources off other documents so dismissing because it
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Ted Haggard Admits Sexual Misconduct, Lying
“Ousted Evangelist Confesses to Followers
“By COLLEEN SLEVIN, AP“COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Nov. 5) – Saying he was a ‘deceiver and liar’ who had given into his dark side, the Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to sexual immorality Sunday in a letter read from the pulpit of the megachurch he founded.”
For complete story and/or (c) info see http://tinyurl.com/yz22ts
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The question is…
When we defeat the cowardly traitors on the right who’ve tried to give the terrorists a win by destroying our Constitution, will the inbred right wing republicans be:
1) Going to Lush Flimbaugh for some Viagra
so they can
2) Spend money visiting Pastor Ted’s gay prostitute?
HE HE! You righties are about to see what being asswhipped is all about. I can’t wait to see how many of you have turned tail and run on Wed. We’ll be here Wed to rub it in your cowardly chests.
I can’t wait to spit on you child raping assholes!!!!!!!!
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Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from?
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“Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein’s acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. …
“All of the quotes listed above are substantially correct reproductions of statements made by various Democratic leaders regarding … Saddam Hussein’s … weapons of mass destruction.
“However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S.
“Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in ‘degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein’s ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.'”
Snopes.com then discusses at great length the context of the quotes. http://tinyurl.com/3btfn
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Our state constitution requires adequate funding for education from the STATE. Why can’t they find a STABLE income source?
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This sort of cherry-picking produces results like this:
Original (hypothetical) quote:
“Roger Rabbit is a liberal freak. He shouldn’t call me a wingnut traitor. I’m a nice guy.”
After Roger Rabbit’s editing:
“Roger Rabbit is a … nice guy.”
See what I mean? I can play this selective-quotes game too! Why shouldn’t I? You guys do it. Why should you have a fucking monopoly on selective quoting? Republicans want a monopoly on every fucking thing!
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This quote says so much more about the Military under Democrats than anything else:
From one of the sailors on the USS Cole at the time of the attack:
“Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft “we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.””
Hopefully the link will come through if Clownstein isn;t censoring again:
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Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:03 pm
Your quotes mean nothing to me. They can’t bring back the lives spent on this charade. Clinton never did my thinking for me. Just because you let others do your thinking for you . . . don’t ass-u-me we are all lazy bastards who buy the line. I listened to the people who were there . . . not the politicians. You’re ignorant if you get all your information from politicians and bureaucrats. So typically Rethuglican.
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Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:25 pm
You continue to show you ignorance Smeg. The money will come from those of us in the middle who are already paying 17% of our incomes on taxes . . . while the rich are paying in aggregate about 4%. What an insipid and uninformed voter you are. You will trade your grandchildren’s education for more taxes on their parents.
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Go read the state supreme court decisions on the subject and then explain it to us.
Hint: The state constitution gives the power of taxation and spending to the legislature not courts.
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So Mac — which tax should be raised to provide adequate funding for education? The estate tax?
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein’s acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction.
Status: True.
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Liar Rabbit, how about printing the FULL quote instead of the select portions? LIAR!!! Commentby FaithfulDemocratJoeDemocrat— 11/5/06@ 2:58 pm
See #56. I’m a partisan hack.
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Why the fuck should I argue your side of the argument? Are you too stupid or lazy to do it yourself? I’m not your fucking secretary.
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Skagit,
You arn’t paying any taxes for education in this state. Wrong estate tax.
Roger,
My point is – it’s ridiculous to rely on a tax that relies on someone from a certain class dying. If I believe the ads – we are relying on less than 1% of the population in Washington state to die………
How about a state income tax – so skagit can pay big bucks! Better yet, why not make the income tax progressive so that Bill Gates and Paul Allen can start paying for education NOW!
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Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:05 pmOr you don’t know how to use a computer.
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Our state constitution requires adequate funding for education from the STATE. Why can’t they find a STABLE income source? SMEG
YOU are the STATE you fool. You are the stable income source. I guess you like it that way. Or have you got a better tax in mind? If you do, put it out there. I might have some glimmer of respect for you if you can find a solution instead of being part of the ignorant problem.
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“Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from? Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:25 pm
What if nobody buys any gas next year? Where do our roads come from?
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“I listened to the people who were there . . . not the politicians. “
Apparently not. You wish to ignore Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick when he reports that under a Democrat administration, he would be court martialed if he had fired on those terrorists. Let’s see EXACTLY what he said, shall we?
“we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
Your attempt to try to fake out the people into believeing that Democrats do not have nothing but utter contempt for our troops is and obviously a lie. From the contemptuous statements from Democrat John Murtha who presumes our marines guilty before a trial to John Kerry calling them dumb, Americans KNOW who supports them and who does not. Hint, it isn’t the Democrats.
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If I believe the ads – we are relying on less than 1% of the population in Washington state to die………SMEG
Exactly the problem with you, Smeg. You get all your information from the ads. What a fucking fool.
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Actually, you make an excellent point Mac. Under our current Rube Goldberg tax system, no dead millionaires would be a disaster for our schools! We need to eliminate the fiscal risks of actuarial fluctuation.
Therefore, I propose we eliminate the estate tax, enact a state income tax, and treat inheritances as ordinary income. That way, it gets rolled into a much larger tax. The advantage of this is that personal income as a whole is much less likely to fluctuate year-to-year than the amount of taxable inheritances.
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BTW, Smeg, why have almost all the papers come out against it? Do you even read the papers . . . or look at information sites besides this one? Or are you one of those propagandized blowhards who hasn’t got a clue?
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Skagit,
The state provides money for education, the feds provide money for education, and the counties provide money for education and the little taxpayers who own homes pay property taxes which a portion of fund schools in their district. If you live in a distict like mine, you may have also voted for a special levy for schools. I voted for one last election to build new schools and/or renovate old schools. It’s the first “tax” that I ever voted in favor of…………..
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You are much to nice to this ignorant bigot and fool, Rabbit. BTW, I thought you made a great call to Goldy last week. He should have been nicer. You made a good point.
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I like your idea Roger, are you running for office? I’ll vote for you…………..
As for the gas……… oh my. We will buy gas! There’s a news story out about the gas tax not being able to fund all of the projects these next two years…….
Skagit – You’ve been drinking or smoking too much dope!
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Exactly. Smeg. WE pay the taxes and and we pay far more of them than the rich. The estate tax is one of those taxes they pay that helps recycle opportunities for the middle class. So you want you kids to pay even more taxes than they already do so that the rich can continue to pay less taxes than the rest of us? Boy, that’s great thinking! We thinking like that, I’ll be in the poorhouse in no time.
I have a house in Seattle. I know what paying property taxes is all about . . . our schools are going wanting because we middle class people in Seattle can’t take much more.
Oh, but let’s give those rich inheritors another break, shall we? And any estate taxes they pay are deducted from the federal taxes. It keeps the money at home. But, then, you probably didn’t know that either.
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PLEASE get informed, Smeg. For the sake of your grandkids if not for your own.
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Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:05 pm
If David was able to run a website that forbade HTML then I think we have a story bigger than the immaculate conception!
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Glad to see you finally figured out how to use your own fucking computer! I don’t have time to be your secretary. Since you’re criticizing ME for not quoting Wikipedia in entirety, I’m sure you won’t mind if I criticize YOU for selectively quoting from Wikipedia. Here’s the whole thing:
“etty Officer John Washak said that right after the blast, a senior chief petty officer ordered him to turn an M-60 machine gun on the Cole’s fantail away from a second small boat approaching. ‘With blood still on my face,’ he said, he was told: ‘That’s the rules of engagement: no shooting unless we’re shot at.’ He added, ‘In the military, it’s like we’re trained to hesitate now. If somebody had seen something wrong and shot, he probably would have been court-martialed.’ Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft ‘we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.'”
So why couldn’t they shoot? Because of the Rules of Engagement. Now let’s ask, where do the ROE come from? Good question. Here’s the answer:
“The US Department of Defense officially defines ROE as: ‘Directives issued by competent military authority which delineate the circumstances and limitations under which United States forces will initiate and/or continue combat engagement with other forces encountered.'”
Aha! Clinton didn’t make the ROE! “Competent military authority” did. So why even have ROE? For the same reason we don’t let cops blow away anybody they want whenever they feel like it. To protect innocent people.
I suppose some wingnut ignoramus who made a point of not reading up on the subject could attempt to paint ROE as a black-and-white, you’re-for-America-or-against-America issue. He’d be blowing shit out of his ass:
“The ROE are extremely important: They provide a consistent, understandable and repeatable standard on how forces act. Typically they are carefully thought out in detail well in advance of an engagement and may cover a number of scenarios, with different rules for each. They assist in the synchronization of political-diplomatic and military components of a strategy by allowing political commanders to better understand, forecast and tailor the actions of a force.
The first rule of engagement for United States military forces is always the right to use force in self-defense.“In any engagement, the ROE need to balance two competing goals: The need to use force effectively to accomplish the mission objectives and the need to avoid unnecessary force. This creates room for two types of error:
“Excessively tight ROE can constrain a commander from performing his mission effectively, called a Type I error. It is typical for the political leadership to constrain the actions of military commanders. This is often a source of tension between the political leaders, who are trying to accomplish a political or diplomatic objective, and the military commanders, who are trying make the most effective use of their forces. Sagan [2] provides an excellent discussion of this topic. The UN Peacekeeper’s ROE (see UNAMIR) during the Rwandan Genocide is a tragic example of too restrictive ROE.
“Excessively loose ROE can facilitate the escalation of a conflict which, while being tactically effective, negates the political objectives that the use of force was meant to achieve. This is a Type II or ‘escalatory’ error and an example of it may be the killing of Jean de Menezes on July 22, 2005.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement
You see? It’s complicated! And wingnuts don’t understand complicated stuff, e.g. how to spell “to.”
Jean de Menezes, in case you don’t remember, was the innocent Brazilian that idiotic British bobbies pumped full of lead in a case of mistaken identity. The same kind of fuck-up that our government makes with depressing regularity in our officially sanctioned torture chambers. But the fact the majority of people our government has tortured were completely-fucking-innocent and were tortured because our government is completely-fucking-incompetent is too complicated for wingnuts to understand, too.
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“a tax that relies on someone from a certain class dying”
Well if you believe taxes are based on class, then the estate tax is no worse than taxing soda pop, which is a tax on people who can’t afford Chivas Regal.
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Skagit – You’ve been drinking or smoking too much dope!
Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm
Your only response to papers endorsing “no” on the proposition; to the point about keeping the money in this Washingtin rather than the other Washington; to the 17% vs. 4% taxes the middle class to wealthy is dope?
Who’s the one operating without a battery here? Not me.
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“Democrats do not have nothing but utter contempt for our troops is and obviously a lie.” Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:40 pm
Let’s review. Democrats fought in all our wars. Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats. 9 of the 10 Iraq war veterans who ran for Congress this year are Democrats. Kerry served two tours in Vietnam, pulled dangerous duty on river patrol boats, was wounded and decorated. Bush was a draft dodger who used family pull to jump the line into a National Guard outfit so he wouldn’t go to Vietnam, then went AWOL from the Guard. Cher, a Hollywood liberal of the type people like you despise, personally donated $150,000 to Operation Helmet and raised public donations to buy battle helmets for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan they can’t wring out of Bush’s Pentagon.
P.S. — I gave $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ but you haven’t ponied up squat! Until you walk the talk, you’re a fake patriot and a lying POS.
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How about we just tax all lawyers named after cartoon characters. Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm
How about if you pay the same taxes I do for starters.
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“And any estate taxes they pay are deducted from the federal taxes. It keeps the money at home. But, then, you probably didn’t know that either. ”
Yes, I knew that. I also know that some are leaving the state to keep the money in their pocket instead of the state’s pocket.
You will continue to pay those obscene taxes in Seattle as long as you continue to support sin taxes and death taxes.The estate tax is an unreliable source of income for education, because it is dependent upon an external force. If no-one in that class dies – the money isn’t there. The truly rich in Seattle will NEVER pay the tax, they’ve hired the lawyers and advisors to shelter all of their money. If I was a multi-millionaire – I’d give it all away BEFORE I died!
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And, SMEG, the feds do not pay for education. They do fund some programs . . . like title 1 and nclb (which is underfunded). Tuition costs are the highest in history. And high middle and upper class families are fleeing to private schools that cost thousands more a year than the public schools get.
God save this society from people who get all their information from lying political ads.
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Smeg: Yes, I knew that. I also know that some are leaving the state to keep the money in their pocket instead of the state’s pocket.
Name one person who’s leaving. And if they are leaving, how does that keep the money in their pocket? It will be going to WA DC . . . didn’t you understand that? Don’t you get it? It will not stay in their pocket.
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Gidget!
It will stay in their pocket with the right tax advisors and the right states.
As for who is leaving – I don’t remember his name – he had a press conference and he’s moving most of his businesses and his money to another state………..
Some people are doing it for the “principal” of it. While it’s true that the poor and the working class are paying a larger percentage of their income in taxes, the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country. The poor and the middle class in THIS state are hit with way more than their fair share because this state doesn’t have a state income tax….
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Anybody who’s leaving – which is just another piece bs from Smet – has my blessings because not only will they still have to pay the estate tax, but they’ll have the fun of paying moving vans and arriving with broken furniture and dishes.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of suckers.
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Let’s clarify a couple things.
First, I’m not a “cartoon character,” I’m a real live rabbit living in a hole in a public park. Does this look like a fucking cartoon? http://tinyurl.com/yhmz5h
Second, there is no connection between my name and any other rabbit, real or imaginary, named “Roger.” My daddy was a rabbit. My mommy named my “Roger.” It’s a common Christian name. Ergo, “Roger Rabbit.” I mean, you didn’t expect them to name me “Roger Mule” or “Roger Centipede” or “Roger Eagle” when I’m a fucking rabbit, did you?
Third, I have no affiliation, connection, or association with the inventors, producers, etc. of any comic, book, film, or literary work about some other “Roger Rabbit.” Until they give me a share of the profits, I have nothing to do with it.
Fourth, “Roger” and “Rabbit” are both common English words and therefore not copyrightable. Calling myself “Roger Rabbit” is the same thing as John Smith calling himself “John Smith.” The fact that some other John Smith is in jail is no reason for challenging his voter registration, and anybody who tries it ought to be in jail, too.
Fifth, “Roger Rabbit” is alliterative. This is a big word, in fact it’s a huge word, so you’ll probably need to look it up in a dictionary. I’m sure you don’t have one in your trailer, so you’ll need to go to a public library, I’m sure there’s one in your community where wingnuts haven’t burned all the books yet. Try rolling it off your tongue … “R-r-r-o-g-g-g-e-r-r-r-r R-r-r-r-a-b-b-i-t-t … see what I mean? Alliterative. That’s why I like it.
Sixth, I didn’t read the book or see the movie either, so I have no fucking idea what they’re about, so I couldn’t possibly have adopted the persona of a cartoon character. The Roger Rabbit of HorsesAss.org together with all of my persona, thoughts, adventures, and opinions is solely a creative of my own furry paws pounding on my own fucking keyboard.
Seventh, if you don’t like it, take a deep breath and bend over as far as you can and suck a fart out of your ass. Be sure to swallow when you’re done.
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the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country. SMEG
Smeg, there’s no hope for you. All the reasons above tell you why you’re wrong; but, with the herd mentality of the right-wing propaganda machine, you continue to prove why this country is in a mess and getting worse. For gods sake, read a book or a newspaper. Get yourself some education.
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“the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country”
Why shouldn’t they? They have the majority of the income and property in this country.
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BTW, interesting that you haven’t responded to one of my facts.
Also, Rabbit, you may like the progressive income tax, but I’m not convinced. There will be the same loopholes that the rich currently use to get out of taxes. As Gov Locke said himself, the states with the income tax are having just as much difficulty as the sales tax states. Since the feds are not helping much, everybody is in trouble. And this state will never get rid of the sales tax to implement an income tax. So, we’ll have taxes all over the boards and we’ll still be the ones paying them.
An income tax is another simple solution for simple minds like Smegs who want easy answers. You should know better.
I am for a consumption tax . . .
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Despite income taxes, estate taxes, and all the other abuse that society heaps on wealthy cheap labor conservatives, they still manage to …
not work
own the biggest houses
drive the most expensive cars
have fancy yachts
drink the best booze
belong to country clubs
send their kids to private schools and colleges
avoid military service
boss everyone else around
get waited on hand and footPersonally, I could live with that! Sure doesn’t look to me like they’re being killed by income taxes, capital gains taxes, or estate taxes. They’re especially not being killed by taxes they don’t pay, which is most taxes, most of the time. In addition to all of the special privileges and perks listed above, they also have accountants and lawyers who are good at reducing their tax burden. They avoid a lot more taxes than wage earners do! And they get all sorts of neat exemptions, allowances, credits, and deductions the rest of us don’t get.
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Cry me a fucking river for the poor picked-on rich, Mac.
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Mike!? McGavick is the problem, not the solution.
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You know, Rabbit, she’s already voted to repeal. She better not sleep tonight . . . cause she deserves to lay awake wondering how much more she’s going to have to cough up to make up the difference. While all her “poor” rich inheritors are vacationiing in the Caribbean and laughing over their gin and tonics.
I watched the PI editorial board question the son of a commercial property owner in Belleve and a spokesperson for the other side. His name was Aaron I think. Anyway Aaron talked about how hard his parents worked to achieve their wealth . . . of course, mom was a real estate agent (talk about having inside information) and that he had to ride his bike three miles to weed the property when he was a kid. Of course, he didn’t mention that Bellevue grew up around the property which added to the value . . . nor that owning real estate is hardly a labor intensive way to acquire wealth.
Smeg would get it but the PI board did. If you read their editorial, they come down on the side that us real people pay the majority of taxes and decided we don’t need to pay more just to give the rich a break.
So much for your “facts” Smeg. Like I said, read a damned newspaper once in a while.
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Well let’s all vote with the newspapers endorsements Skagit…
I read the Time,and you all had a cow for their opinion, so I guess you are voting for Mike and Dave……
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One only has to read the words on the John Rogers Memorial in Olympia to hear what the 3rd Gov of Washington was talking about:
“I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves.”
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Well let’s all vote with the newspapers endorsements Skagit…
I read the Time,and you all had a cow for their opinion, so I guess you are voting for Mike and Dave……
Commentby Kiroking— 11/5/06@ 4:48 pm
That’s why I said most. Blethen didn’t . . . but my post with “most” is more accurate than yours. Name another. . .
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“I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves.”
Commentby coiler— 11/5/06@ 4:49 pm
And if they couldn’t, they’ve got the stupid poor to do it for them.
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I was talking to one of my classroom parents the other day and we discussing the poor state of education today, esp. among the lower class and even lower middle class. He suggested that it was public policy to keep people stupid . . . might be something to that.
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Gidget,
Those who are for consumption taxes are those who know that they don’t consume very much!
The rich multi-millionaires love consumption taxes, because they pay very little as a percentage of their income.
But you, Gidget, can keep paying 17% of your income so that Bill Gates can pay less than 1/100th of his income!
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I wasn’t arguing that they shouldn’t pay the majority of taxes. Just trying to get a point across to the bone-headed school teacher…………..
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Gidget,
I read newspapers everyday. As a matter of fact, I consume them!
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I read newspapers everyday. As a matter of fact, I consume them!
Well, they are high in fiber.
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What can we do to further punish Joe Lieberman? When he retires I want him to be a sad and broken man.
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If we win big we’ve still got to keep the pressure on these goddamn politicians or they’ll backslide into the comfort of selling out to the big corporations. Muckraking seems to work the best.
The value of humiliating a sellout and at the same time retrieving any of their ill gotten gains is the way to go.
It was Harry Truman who said that any politician who went into politics without money and came out rich is a dishonest politician.
We gotta keep an eye on these toads and hopefully keep the “bully pulpit” of free speech via the internet.
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I was watching Elizabeth Dole on Meet the Press today and I sympathize with Bob and his need for Viagra. Doesn’t that irritating bitch ever shut her yap?
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What can we do to further punish Joe Lieberman? When he retires I want him to be a sad and broken man.
I think ending up in hell will be bad enough for the creepy thug.
(the video clip is terrific)
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But you, Gidget, can keep paying 17% of your income so that Bill Gates can pay less than 1/100th of his income!
Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 5:10 pm
Well, I guess I made my point. Does this mean you finally get it? Or are you still confused?
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Lizzy Dole, ex beauty queen . . . with the intelligence to screw up the Red Cross? What a catch!
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And if you’re so well read, why don’t you know anything?
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Skagit
Why do you think “others” such a RICH people need to pay your share? Don’t you think the Rich People GIVE? Look at the gates foundation. Are you disappointed that they GIVE tons to OTHER countries who are a hell of alot worse off than us here?
As a school teacher, you of all people should understand the eductation system in this country. If you want a free ride, then hop on a plane to france. But if you want to enjoy the freedoms of the USA, then pay your fair share, and quit trying to suck off the teet of the rich.
There is a real good reason they are RICH, they had opportunities, and they took advantage of them. Tap into your mental resources, and take advantage of your opportunities. But most of all, don’t whine that you are a poor washington teacher(you knew how much you would make when you took the job), just trying to make america a better place and it for the children. It is the choice you made.
Make the best of it, but don’t take away from others because of the choices you made.
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Ted Haggard – Fucking Liar. Another Dumb ASS Mother Fucking REPUBLICAN. I think this speaks for itself. Now just substitute Geroge Bush for Ted Haggard. Have no shame. Go Christian Coalition! HAIL HITLER!
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114 – Sheer propaganda. Rich people earn loads of income they don’t have to sweat for – there is no reason this income shouldn’t be taxed at a higher rate to level the playing field for all citizens. You wingnuts may have a point when you complain your taxes are too high on money you have to earn but never sabotage the future of your kids by being complicit in passing on government debt to them.
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Why do you think “others” such a RICH people need to pay your share? Don’t you think the Rich People GIVE?
My share? 17% to 4%? Where did you get your math? JP Patches school for the Slow?
And no, research shows that percentagewise, middle class people give more of their income to charity that the rich.See, all of you are clueless and you are your own worst enemies. I don’t care if you want to give to the rich . .. but please don’t give my money to the rich as well.
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But most of all, don’t whine that you are a poor washington teacher(you knew how much you would make when you took the job),
Where did I whine about my paycheck? I think you could use some remedial reading . . . I’m available if you can afford me.
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@76,
Who the hell sent the USS Cole to Yemen in the first place? BLow Job CLinton, that’s who. He sent them there as som sort of appeasement to muslims. If he hadn’t been so damned politically correct and sent that ship there in the first place, the whole thing wouldn’t have happened. And given that Clinton’s ambassador to Yemen, Barbara Bodine, was bedning over backwards to ensure that there was no offense to any muslim in Yemen, it would not be a big surprise to learn Clinton influenced the ROE.
Or haven’t you heard, the President of the United State is the Command in Chief of the military.
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@80,
“Let’s review. Democrats fought in all our wars. Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats. 9 of the 10 Iraq war veterans who ran for Congress this year are Democrats. Kerry served two tours in Vietnam, pulled dangerous duty on river patrol boats, was wounded and decorated. Bush was a draft dodger who used family pull to jump the line into a National Guard outfit so he wouldn’t go to Vietnam, then went AWOL from the Guard. Cher, a Hollywood liberal of the type people like you despise, personally donated $150,000 to Operation Helmet and raised public donations to buy battle helmets for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan they can’t wring out of Bush’s Pentagon.
P.S. – I gave $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ but you haven’t ponied up squat! Until you walk the talk, you’re a fake patriot and a lying POS. “
Once again you lie like a typical liberal.
First of all let’s start with this lie:
“Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats.” – lying Rabbit
US House of Representatives:
Reps with military service: 24.2%
Breakdown by party:
Republicans with military service: 15.2%
Democrats with military service: 9%
Independants with military service: 0%Senators with military service: 30%
Republicans with military service: 17%
Democrats with military service: 12%Now, let’s look at presidents:
Of the last four presidents, only the Republicans have served in teh military.
George W Bush
Military Service: Texas Air National Guard 1968 – 1973Bill Clinton – NONE. Protested his country during Vietnam war on foreign soil.
George H W Bush
Military Service: Navy 1943 – 1945
Combat Service: World War II* Was the youngest Naval Aviator at the time at age 18
* Flew combat missions in the Pacific during World War II
* Awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal (x3) and the Presidential Unit CitationRonald Reagan
Military Service: Army Reserve 1935 – 1941
Air Force 1941 – 1945* Initially commissioned as a reserve cavalry officer in the Army in 1935
* Assigned to the First Motion Picture Unit in the United States Army Air Force after the attack on Pearl Harbor in which he made training and education filmsSo you gave $99 for helmet pads. And like John Kerry trying to pass himself off as a patriot, you never miss an opportunity to mention it either. Well asshole lawyer, I gave $500 to operation support the troops. http://www.operation-support-our-troops.org/ And that is probably one hell of a bigger percentage of my income than what $99 represents to to you asshole.
Perhaps if you liberal scum blocking supplies at the port then maybe they’d get to our troops.
But as we learned recently, you liberals think the troops are all uneducated and dumb and that is how they ended up in Iraq.
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“How about we just tax all lawyers named after cartoon characters. Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm
How about if you pay the same taxes I do for starters. “
How much do you pay in taxes vs how much you make. I seem to recall some baosting on your part about huge stock gains. And hell you are a lawyer, so that means you did something nasty to get your ill gotten gain. Or did you lie when you claimed you were a lawyer?
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Go to bed Truthiness and sleep it off.
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And for the record Retard Rabbit, in both WWI and WWII the country was drug into war by Democrats who never served in the military.
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Yeah, and they won those major wars in less time than it takes this guy to develop a plan.
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Is anyone really surprised anymore at the depths the Democrats will go to help the terrorists? First they want them to have “OJ” trials and now we learn that Democrats have been leaking national intelligence secrets.
But then again, given that their party officials are crooks that violate campaign laws , trade crack cocaine for fraudulent votes and buy off voters to steal elections.
Is there no depth to which they will not sink???
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“Truth2006”, could please summarize the New Hampshire phone jamming scandal? Thanks so much.
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Of course, that should be “could you…”
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Dear ACORN Democrat cheaters, Democrat Mexican Illegals, New York City Jews who “double” vote Democrat in NYC and Palm Beach, and Democrat Blacks who get bussed to several polls in Milwaukee, Border Patrol with attack dogs, and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll to arrest and deport you on Tuesday!! Voter fraud is a capital offense!!! Only English will be spoken!!!!!!!
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Dear Terrorist Moooooooooooooslims and illegal aliens, NO!! YOU MAY NOT VOTE!!!!! Border Patrol with big attack dogs and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll!!! In addition, Democrat blacks in Milwaukee who destroy Republican vans tonight will be arrested and will lose their “guvment” checks!!!!
Open thread
I think that pretty much says it all.
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Dame tight ass Ted was all over the TV news tonight.
I herd his favort but buddys were going to Colorado to snuggle up with Ted in his hour of need. Bush and Channy are headed to colorado. rofl
yeah you guys just snuggle in there with old teddy
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I think there gona lead sadum out and shoot him on monday to help the republicans get elected tuesday
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“I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat when I’m not being a family man or a hypocrit.” – Ted Haggard. I bet all my fellow Republicans are really proud of me. HAIL HITLER!
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Vote with your heart. The only chance these United States have to try and regain our once lofty position in the world order is to gut GWB’s rubber stamp congress and hold him accountable. Now is the time to stand up for your rights and vote Democratic.
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You are onto something MrRainier. The only way to regain our place in this world is to indict, convict, and incarcerate all the criminal scum running our country right now.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and the rest of the WHIG etc.
Once the scum are behind bars, we can work on our image…..
Oh I need to throw a bone to the wingnuts. Yes wingies what the other 5 BILLION people on this planet thinks of us does matter….
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And stop being a bunch of right-wing closeted homosexual homophobia. Get out of that closet and because a lefty or at lest a log cabin republican you will feel a lot better about your self and you will probably get laid a lot more .
It is not the gay party we don’t like it is the hypocrisy part .
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Just saw one of burners’s ads on TV… I don’t get it… Apparently voting for a strong economy, low unemployment, national security, and fixing global warming is a bad thing. Seems to me she is making Reichert’s case for him.
Somebody gottta explain her ads to me…
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I wuz perty biizzy taday… did jon cary git a perpel hart fer shoting hisef inna foots?
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Somebody gottta explain her ads to me…
It’s little surprise to the rest of us that you don’t understand Burner’s ads. After all, you still don’t grok the fact that fractions have both a numerator and a denomnator.
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whats a fraction?
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I don’t know why Darcy is only campaigning on the time for change theme.
I think America could stand a little more Republican control. You know, no accountability, no honesty, no integrety, no control, no taking responsibility, no competence, and no end to the lies, corruption, and criminal behavior.
Anyone supporting Reichert has more Denial than the Sahara has sand. The Pacific has water.
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Loser Yellowback:
Apparently voting for a strong economy, low unemployment, national security, and fixing global warming is a bad thing. Seems to me she is making Reichert’s case for him.
Reichert wasn’t a congresman when Clinton was President. Get off the meth.
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“I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not crying about how bad everyone else is or taking money from Mr. Abramhoff (I’d like to suck his cock too)”.- Rep. Bob Ney
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And pay your bets! Loser!
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What will Kathrine Harris and Anne Coulter talk about if they are in prision together in Florida?
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Sorry, Socialist, but it might just be a bit beyond you as well. We’re talking about rational numbers.
No offense intended. I just couldn’t resist.
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Sympathy For Mrs. Haggard’s Ass: A Haiku:
Gayle always wondered
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Geez, it looks like Algore is full of shit… as usual:
Quoting from the gawd of global warming: “Two thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the history of humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will face a string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare ourselves and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. Ladies and gentlemen, the warnings about global warming have been extremely clear for a long time. We are facing a global climate crisis. It is deepening. We are entering a period of consequences.” http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm
Let’s see… how many major hurricanes have we had so far this season? Hmmm…. hmmmmmm…. shit… the answer is FUCKING ZERO !!!!!!!
Some “string of terrible catastrophes.” A string of ZERO !!!!!!!
And you fucking idiot kool aid drinkers were all in a lather about his stoopid fucking movie when it came out. Do you feel stoopid now?
Despite his track record of impressive achievements in network technology, he obviously doesn’t know jack shit about science.
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Isn’t the employment fraction a little over 96 out of a hunnerd?
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I’m calling for Darcy Burner tomorrow — mostly because I really feel like paying more taxes.
It’s fun and the kids love it. Won’t have time for crystal meth and a gay prostitute, though.
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As we reported back in February, Ann Coulter, 45, committed voter fraud in a town council election earlier this year. Now, it’s going to prosecutors — Florida Justice: swift and brutal.
The offense (knowingly voting in the wrong district) is punishable by up to five years in prison! And now that… you know, christ, not even we are interested in this woman anymore. Sorry.
Holly Crap were do you lock up old broken down scanky ass transexuiles
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Here’s what moonbats are running against:
1) Record high employment.
2) Record low interest rates.
3) Record high stock market
4) Zero attacks since 911
5) Global warming fixed
6) Home ownership at all time high.Campaigning against peace and prosperity. How’s that going?
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I wonder what they serve for communion at Ted Haggard’s mega church? Probably white bread and grape juice. Anything more and it would cut into his drugs and whoring.
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Yeah and now that I got my new job at Walmart, I might be able to afford a double wider like yours Mark – things are really looking up. But I’m not worried because I’ll find a way to cheat or steal to make ends meet if need be. Thanks for the Job.
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re 28: It’s going great! You know why? Because Bush’s spiritual advisor is a crack smoking whoremonger.
I guess the great news about everything else kind of gets lost when people ponder that.
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Nobody mention to Loser Yellowback the constant string of wild fires in California this year because of the very hot drought they are having. We wouldn’t want him to know that it is a system, not just one event, that has been thrown out of skew by global warming.
Sort of like thinking that you accomplish something against Al Qaeda by attacking Iraq.
Sheesh Yellowback, are you just currious what it would be like to be a total idiot, or does it come naturally?
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How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage; homosexual prostitute dope dealers are a major part of the Dem base. The more depraved the behavior the more libs think it’s great.
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Thought I’d post the latest vote counts before the weekend. 158260 ballots are in in King County.
County___ BallotsCast___ LastMatchback
Adams__ 1974 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Benton__ 21171 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Chelan__ 5981 ballots___ 10/27/2006 4:26:47 PM
Clallam__ 16408 ballots___ 11/3/2006 3:17:49 PM
Clark__ 59383 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:06:53 PM
Columbia__ 1240 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:56:15 AM
Cowlitz__ 11770 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:45:11 AM
Douglas__ 6307 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Ferry__ 1217 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Franklin__ 5495 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Grant__ 9872 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Grays Harbor__ 10769 ballots___ 11/2/2006 12:57:11 PM
Island__ 10750 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Jefferson__ 9229 ballots___ 11/2/2006 2:26:27 PM
King__ 158260 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Kitsap__ 43861 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Kittitas__ 5237 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Klickitat__ 388 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
lewis__ 13246 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Lincoln__ 2562 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Mason__ 10964 ballots___ 11/2/2006 10:12:48 PM
Okanogan__ 6901 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Pacific__ 2740 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Pierce__ 75660 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:06:36 PM
San Juan__ 3606 ballots___ 11/2/2006 12:00:11 PM
Skagit__ 22634 ballots___ 11/3/2006 3:58:52 PM
Snohomish__ 79346 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:47:51 PM
Spokane__ 89504 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:47:27 PM
Stevens__ 4652 ballots___ 10/31/2006 2:59:15 PM
Thurston__ 37385 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:45:11 AM
Wahkiakum__ 1049 ballots___ 11/2/2006 8:10:14 PM
Walla Walla__ 7130 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:16:28 PM
Whatcom__ 35193 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:13:17 PM
Whitman__ 6149 ballots___ 11/2/2006 6:49:10 PM
Yakima__ 28083 ballots___ 11/2/2006 8:15:51 PM -
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As we reported back in February, Ann Coulter, 45, committed voter fraud in a town council election earlier this year. Now, it’s going to prosecutors — Florida Justice: swift and brutal.
The offense (knowingly voting in the wrong district) is punishable by up to five years in prison! And now that… you know, christ, not even we are interested in this woman anymore. Sorry.
Holly Crap were do you lock up old broken down scanky ass transexuiles
Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 7:34 pm
Yeah what was that story again, she was not a citizen….no she voted twice. No that’s not it that,is what democrats do. hehehe
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You know the other day I said on the news that I didn’t know a Mike Jones, but you know now that I think of it he’s the guy who gave me my massage – you see, I pulled a muscle jogging so I needed a massage (my fat whore wife wouldn’t do it)and Rush Limbaugh told me how crystal meth would help out the pulled muscle too, but when I found out its what the black people take, I prayed to Jesus and decided the pain would be better. Amen. And Hail Hitler!
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amerikkkafirst:
How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage; homosexual prostitute dope dealers are a major part of the Dem base. The more depraved the behavior the more libs think it’s great.
Uhhh…, hate to tell you this, but Haggard is one of your guys. Talks with the president every week, don’t you know.
And we probably don’t want to talk about GWB’s coke habit either. Or Limbaugh’s drug problems…, or getting picked up with Viagra after a sex vacation to the Caribean. Or Mark Foley.
And how can you be against people who go around “buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage.” Without that, there would be no talk radio for wingnuts.
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And how can you be against people who go around “buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage.” Without that, there would be no talk radio for wingnuts.
Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 8:00 pm
Damn, you make it sound like they are taking money from little boys and girls and then turning around and claiming bankruptcy. Hey that sounds familiar. hehehehee
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we don’t have any illegal immigrants here except Canadians that get lost on the way home after a few to many Mollsons at the bar.
and im not sure if Canadian no how to vote . so we have no worries up here on the northern tear you just don’t worry your little Californian republican head about it .
I mean you do have the terminator as your governor so I hardly think you have any thing to say about any other state sheesh.
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Here is what Loser Yellowback supports:
1) Killing American Soldiers
2) Incompetently run wars
3) Manipulating Intelligence
4) Spying on Americans
5) Getting rid of Habeas Corpus
6) Never firing those who mess up their job, better to give them the medal of freedom
7) Terrible growth in real wages
8) Gigantic debts and deficits
9) Never investigating wrong doing.
10) Molesting teenage boys
11) Doing meth before getting it on with a male prostitute
Loser, why do you hate America so?
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Hey I admire you up there in KC. You just flat out steal elections with no questions asked. Why the hell do you think we got Logan down here now. Why go out and have illegals vote when you can just find a bag or two of ballots.
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7) Terrible growth in real wages
Wow, that is not good. Of course this is countered by terrible growth in real taxes.
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Here’s what rightwing traitors are running on:
1) Record high under-employment
2) A reduction in earning power
3) A stock market that’s hardly any better off than it was six years ago when Baby Bush stole his office.
4) Unsolved anthrax attacks since 911
5) Highest trade deficits in history
6) Highest trade deficits in history
7) A world that’s less safe because of the war in Iraq (according to Bush’s own intel)I can tell you how that’s going for the righties….just look at the polls. They’re getting their asses kicked.
How’s it feel to be a traitor, a closeted gay republican man, a coward AND to be on the looooosing side Mark The Cowardly Redneck?
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Francine:
If you are talking about the ’04 election, you have been mis-informed. A judge found that the only illegal votes were for Dino Rossi, the Republican. But fortunately the system worked, so they were not able to “steal” the election as you say. So you shouldn’t accuse them of that like you do.
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5) Getting rid of Habeas Corpus
Ooooh the horror. geeesh. hehehehe
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oh gosh im sorry I no you republican get so up set at any one counting the votes . At lest we didn’t have the supreme count appoint or candidate. and we actually counted all the votes in the whole state and made sure they were counted accurately im sorry if that bothers you.
And our secretary of state a republican certified the election was fair and accurate.
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If you are talking about the ‘04 election, you have been mis-informed. A judge found that the only illegal votes were for Dino Rossi, the Republican. But fortunately the system worked, so they were not able to “steal” the election as you say. So you shouldn’t accuse them of that like you do.
Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 8:20 pm
You mean the ballots they found at the second….. wait was that the second count….. no Rossi won….. oh that is right the third count were all illegal votes for Rossi? Wow that is news to me.
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Silly Francine, those were legal votes. As the Judge said. Remember, Rossi would not appeal that decision. And that is why you have recounts, to find votes that should have been counted but were not.
Or are you in favor, like the GOP, of preventing people from voting if they don’t agree with you. Wow, how Soviet of you.
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Silly Francine, those were legal votes. As the Judge said. Remember, Rossi would not appeal that decision. And that is why you have recounts, to find votes that should have been counted but were not.
Funny how all those votes went to one candidate…. wait no it isnt. hehehehe Keep on spreading frosting on that turd of an election. You guys up there are awesome though. You put Chicago to shame. heheehe
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re 58: Well. We won and you lost. Do you get it now? I sure hope you do because if your side pulls another Diebold stunt there’s gonna be blood in the streets.
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re 58: Well. We won and you lost. Do you get it now? I sure hope you do because if your side pulls another Diebold stunt there’s gonna be blood in the streets.
Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 8:43 pm
Better get ready. This Tuesday you will be blaming it on diebold. Better be careful what you wish for, republicans carry guns.
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Poor DOOFUS – the train’s coming down the track and the idiot can’t move his sorry butt off the rails!
Maybe the Reverend Ted Haggard can “minister” to the poor man.
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Comrade Francine:
Funny how they were not all for one candidate. They broke the same as King County as a whole. Just as you would expect.
Perhaps you should know something ’bout what you are saying next time. Go read Judge Bridge’s opinion. Here’s the link:
http://www.seattleweekly.com/n.....cision.php
And here is a good time line of events:
http://www.nwprogressive.org/p.....lenge.html
I know facts are not a big thing to Republicans, but you might find knowing the truth to be more interesting than repeating old, discredited GOP talking points.
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Funny how they were not all for one candidate. They broke the same as King County as a whole. Just as you would expect.
So out of 40 counties most of which are republican the biggest liberal county just happen to find ballots on the second recount. Wow, interesting huh. hehehehe More frosting .. hhehehehe
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re 59: So does everyone else. Having a gun is a lot different than using it.
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I’m tellin’ you this election stealing by Republicans has gone far enough. If people object to a totalitarian regime and you Republicans start pulling guns on them there is going to be chaos and you will be crushed.
If someone like you is strutting around with a gun thinking to intimidate , some one like me will take it from you. You don’t know what you are playing with.
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Bill Maher was Awesome tonight (comes back on later)
The opening skit is perfect, but the final new rule rocks.PS I haven’t read the string, but go to hell you Nazi’s anyway.
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I’m tellin’ you this election stealing by Republicans has gone far enough. If people object to a totalitarian regime and you Republicans start pulling guns on them there is going to be chaos and you will be crushed.
If someone like you is strutting around with a gun thinking to intimidate , some one like me will take it from you. You don’t know what you are playing with.
Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 9:13 pm
Blah,blah. When a donk says an election was stolen they are just being a sore loser. More hot air from a blathering liberal. As far as the threats go I will borrow a line from your side, BRING IT ON.
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REPUBLICAN TRIES TO KILL IRAQ FRAUD INVESTIGATIONS
“Senators Push to Keep Iraq Fraud Investigator
“By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY
“AP“WASHINGTON (Nov. 3) – Senate supporters of an investigator’s office that has unearthed waste and fraud in the rebuilding of Iraq say they will try to keep it alive, setting up a potential showdown with a Republican lawmaker who helped pass legislation to shut it down. …
“The agency’s work has resulted in four criminal convictions and, most recently, evidence that a Halliburton subsidiary exploited federal regulations to hide details on its contract performance. …
Earlier this year, (Sen.) Collins pushed through the Senate a measure that would … (keep) the IG office in business. But that provision … was stripped … (by) Rep. Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. …
“Democrats said the office was being killed by Hunter, R-Calif., and other administration loyalists to bury bad news.”
This article is quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info, vote for me or click on http://tinyurl.com/yf9hqc
Roger Rabbit Comment: Only 4 more days! Investigations! Subpoenas! Frog Marches! Trials! Pink Jumpsuits!
Mike?! McGavick is the problem, not the solution
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McGavick claims in his mailer that he “isn’t afraid to buck his own party when it comes to making the hard decisions to control federal spending.” Sooooooo …
… if Mike?! represented us in the U.S. Senate, would he vote FOR or AGAINST continued funding for the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, then he’s FOR waste, fraud, and abuse — and PROTECTING corrupt Republican politicians and crooked Republican contractors!
Would somebody please ask him at his next campaign appearance?!
Mike?! is the problem, not the solution.
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Would Mike?! McGavick LIE about ratting out a bus driver with a twitchy finger like Rubberstamp Reichert did? I bet he would! He LIED about privatizing Social Security and he LIED about Cantwell raising taxes on Social Security benefits! You just can’t trust Republican liars.
Mike?! is the problem, not the solution.
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Comrade Francine:
No, really, read the links I gave you. Many other counties found votes too. Strangely enought, the most populous county found the most votes. But per capita, there were many Rossi Counties that found more.
Come on. Are you completely ignorant. Even the most foolish of U(sp)poster gave up on these old arguements a long time ago.
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Comrade Francine:
No, really, read the links I gave you. Many other counties found votes too. Strangely enought, the most populous county found the most votes. But per capita, there were many Rossi Counties that found more.
Come on. Are you completely ignorant. Even the most foolish of U(sp)poster gave up on these old arguements a long time ago.
Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 9:34 pm
Yeah, most other counties found maybe one or two. How did KC do in reconciling votes cast to registered voters? hehehehe
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Same old tired DOOFUS bullcrap…
Why couldn’t Dino get more votes? Win by 1000? Because people caught on to his phony moderate act.
He’s the BIAW’s man. Dino’s a whiner. He doesn’t have a prayer in 2008.
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Rep. Nancy Pelosi (sf.nancy@mail.house.gov), U.S. House of Representatives
If you feel strongly about this issue, we encourage you to ask your friends and family to vote on it at this link: http://www.vote.com/vote/60426681/index.phtml
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For nearly six years, I have worked with the Republicans in Congress to protect Americans by strengthening our homeland security and pursuing terrorists where they live. Together, with a Republican majority, we passed tax relief that spurred unprecedented growth and now need to make that relief permanent. And, working with Republican leaders in the Senate, we confirmed two extremely qualified Supreme Court Justices who faithfully interpret the Constitution instead of legislating from the bench.
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This week, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry dumped $1 million from their campaign war chests into Democrat coffers. They answered the call of liberal groups who are pressing Democrats to pour tens of millions into a final push to gain control of Congress.
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Funny how all those votes went to one candidate…. wait no it isnt. hehehehe Keep on spreading frosting on that turd of an election.” Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 8:32 pm
Funny how you’re lying through your nose! Let’s fact-check this turd of a post:
Net Change of Votes
1st recount: Gregoire +1289, Rossi +1070, Bennett +69
2nd recount: Gregoire +919, Rossi +784, Bennett +49Funny how ALL 3 candidates GAINED votes! Why do you suppose? Because the first two counts were done by machines, and machine counts aren’t 100% accurate. If there’s a smudge or speck of dirt on a ballot, the machine can’t read the ballot. Should a voter’s ballot be thrown out because of that? I DON’T FUCKING THINK SO!
The 2nd recount was by hand. Every ballot in the state was counted by a Republican and a Democrat — in King County, at least 3 times and by up to 7 different counting teams. The hand recount is not off by even 1 vote.
“Francine” is blowing smoke through his/her/its ass.
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Andrew Sullivan: This isn’t an election – it’s an INTERVENTION!
Sorry Reichart and McGavick – maybe in saner times you could get elected – but not now.
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Senator John F. Kerry (john_kerry@kerry.senate.gov), U.S. Senate
If you feel strongly about this issue, we encourage you to ask your friends and family to vote on it at this link: http://www.vote.com/vote/60423860/index.phtml
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BOSTON – A radio talk show host was fired Friday after he made a derogatory comment about the weight and sexuality of the Green-Rainbow party candidate running for Massachusetts governor.
WRKO-AM pulled host John DePetro from the air after he made the comments Thursday. It announced Friday that he had been fired.
“In the context of what he said and the tone with which he said it, the comments were completely inappropriate, derogatory and will not be tolerated,” said Jason Wolfe, the vice president of AM programming and operations for station owner Entercom Boston.
DePetro did not immediately return an e-mailed request for comment Friday, however, he told The Boston Globe in a story posted Friday on its Web site that he was “stunned” that he had been fired.
He said he had called the candidate, Grace Ross, to apologize for calling her a “fat lesbian.”
The host, who calls himself the “Independent Man,” said he made the remark because he was exasperated that Ross and independent candidate Christy Mihos were eating up time during a debate earlier in the week that included Republican candidate Kerry Healey and Democrat Deval Patrick.He said it was then that he told listeners he wished someone would “tell the fat lesbian to shut up.”
“I just think both her and Christy have served their purpose and I had a problem with them still thrusting themselves into the debate,” he told the Globe. “I think I vocalized what a lot of people were thinking – will you just shut up and let them go at it. I added a little more.”
Ross, who is openly gay, laughed when she heard about it but said the comment was offensive.
“Big, fat? I guess that’s supposed to be his way of saying he doesn’t like somebody,” she said.
After hearing DePetro had been fired, she said: “I think that the comment was offensive in general, so I hope that many people in the state were offended by it and will help set a standard of what political debate is supposed to be about.”
DePetro had also been reprimanded by station management in July for using a slur often aimed at gays in reference to Matt Amorello, the former chairman of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority.
Wolfe said that after DePetro was suspended in that case, the host was warned that “any further comments of this kind would be dealt with in a severe way.”
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“It’s sad. So sad.
It’s a sad, sad situation
And it’s getting more and more absurd
It’s sad. So sad. Why can’t we talk it over?
Oh it seems to me
Sorry seems to be the hardest word.”
— Elton JohnWhat is wrong with John Kerry? What is missing from the Massachusetts senator’s makeup that will not allow him to admit that he’s human? And why did he wait so long to clean up a political mess that hurt his party in the short run and damaged his own long-term presidential prospects?
This is, after all, a guy who called the secret service member assigned to protect his life a “son of a bitch” for colliding with him on a ski slope. When asked later by a reporter about falling down, Kerry angrily declared, “I do not fall down.”
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If the Republicans were on the right side of issues they would not have to lie about everything……
Why doesn’t the GOP tell the truth for once.
Let’s do it for them.
We the Republicans care about 2 things. Staying in power by any means necessary, and helping the super rich become super duper rich. Nothing else matters to us. Politics of destruction is all we know. Now shut up and suffer some more America!!!!!
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1st recount: Gregoire +1289, Rossi +1070, Bennett +69
2nd recount: Gregoire +919, Rossi +784, Bennett +49Funny how ALL 3 candidates GAINED votes!
So gregoire got more vote on both counts. Whoah what are the odds. Were they counting the same ballots from the first count? There were more ballots added in KC on the second recount. Actually quite a bit more. Did you find out how far off KC was on the reconcillation between votes cast and registered voters? Just more evidence that KC stole the election.
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“For nearly six years, I have worked with the Republicans in Congress to protect Americans by strengthening our homeland security”
Let’s recap: Republicans voted AGAINST homeland security!
Nov. 14, 2001: Senate Democrats propose $15 billion for homeland security; the White House warns against “permanent spending on other projects that have nothing to do with stimulus and that will only expand the size of government.”
Dec. 4, 2001: Senate Appropriations Committee votes 29-0 in favor of $13.1 billion for homeland security; the next day, Bush threatens to veto it.
Dec. 6, 2001: Senate Republicans reduce homeland security funding by $4.6 billion.
Dec. 19, 2001: Under pressure from White House, House-Senate conferees eliminate another $200 million of funding for airport security, port security, nuclear facility security, and postal security.
June 7, 2002: Senate votes 71-22 for $8.3 billion of homeland security funding; the next day, Bush’s advisors recommend a veto.
July 19, 2002: Under White House pressure, homeland security funding is further reduced by cutting money for food security, cyber security, nuclear security, airport security, port security, drinking water security, coordination of police and fire radios, and lab testing to detect chem-bio weapons.
Aug. 13, 2002: Bush decides not to spend $2.5 billion appropriated for homeland security on the grounds of “fiscal responsibility.”
Jan. 16, 2003: White House reacts to Democratic efforts to increase homeland security funding by stating, “The Administration strongly opposes amendments to add new extraneous spending.” Later that day, Senate Republicans vote against funds for smallpox vaccine.
Jan. 23, 2003: Senate Republicans cut security funding for the FBI, FEMA, INS, TSA, Coast Guard, and National Nuclear Security Administration.
Feb. 3, 2003: Bush submits a 2004 budget cutting homeland security funding by nearly 2 percent.
Feb. 14, 2003: Senate Democrats request money for smallpox vaccine, police and fire radios, and public transportation security; no Republicans support it.
March 21-25, 2003: Republicans defeat 7 amendments to bolster homeland security.
April 2, 2003: Senate Republicans reject Democratic amendment to provide $1 billion for port security.
April 3, 2003: Republicans reject protection of commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles and four other pro-homeland security amendments.
June 2003: House Republicans reject Democratic proposal to raise $1 billion for homeland security by reducing tax cuts for 200,000 millionaires by an average of $5,000 each (from $88,000 to $83,000).
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It doesnt matter in the long. At least the right man won the Presidency in 2000 and 2004 despite rampant voter fraud from the dems in both elections.
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Editorial
The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.
In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.
In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.
Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.
It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.
But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.
This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.
(Quoted under Fair Use)
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Stop the presses. Bill O’Reilly is lashing out at the New York Times.
But this time the King of Cable News is not going after the Newspaper of Record for slanted news coverage on Iraq, Republican scandals or culture wars. This time O’Reilly’s angst is reserved for the Times’ book review staff.
The man who built Fox News primetime into a ratings juggernaut is a hard guy to ignore. O’Reilly is everywhere.
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Mike?! McGavick runs attack ads against Sen. Cantwell saying he wants to end partisanship in Washington D.C.
Mike?! McGavick is a Republican (although he doesn’t want you to know that).
The Republicans in Washington D.C. have run the most nakedly partisan administration and congress of the last 100 years.
Mike?! McGavick is the problem, not the solution.
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I have been reading with interest everything I can about I-933. A couple of things seem to be at the core of the issue.
First, even the opponents acknowledge in the voters’ pamphlet that the initiative would affect only those regulations passed since January 1996. This means that the state’s Growth Management Act would remain intact. The GMA is a set of statewide regulations designed to regulate urban growth and protect rural areas. It is a very thorough set of restrictions and has generally been working very well. To say I-933 would do away with land-use regulations is simply untrue.
Second, I-933 targets legislation like the CAO, which is an extremely restrictive set of regulations that applies only to rural, unincorporated lands and can absolutely decimate the value of rural homeowners’ properties. Ironically, those who are hurt most by the CAO are those who have best protected the natural vegetation and habitat. A wooded, rural property with a stream recently sold for $49,000 instead of the $225,000 it would have brought were it not encumbered by the CAO. This is absolutely unfair! The end does not justify the means.
If we want environmental protections (and I hope we do), then we all have to be willing to pay our fair share. A vote for I-933 is a vote for fair funding of environmental preservation.
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I but the wingnuts didn’t bother to watch HBO last night with the voting lines a half mile long in metropolitan areas of Ohio, and voting machines galore in rural Ohio. As long as Bush won (sic) that’s all that counts right wingnuts? A couple million uncounted Kerry votes boo hoo right? Stealing Americans right to vote is the worst crime I can think of. That and protecting pedophiles.
Fascist Traitors.
Americans are sick of Republican Scum.
Even Republicans are sick of Republican Scum.
I should know, I used to be one of them.
I think Vlad the Impaler has the proper treatment for the disease of being Republican.
I think impalement is too good for the average Republican. The crime of treason, which is what calling yourself a Republican these days amounts to should carry a penalty far worse than impalement.
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re 75: Did you work with Mark Foley? Are any of the other fine Republicans you worked with in jail?
Do you see a connection between all this “Homeland” crap and the German “Fatherland ” propaganda of the German Nazi era. I see it.
How do you “lose” $8 billion of our tax dollars in Iraq.. Bechtel is pulling out after charging American Taxpayers $2.5 billion for work they never did.
Republicans are a criminal disgrace and a bunch of domineering jackbooted thugs and if you steal this election you will get what’s coming — of that you can be sure.
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Maybe Ted Haggard could get some moral support from Jim West…..
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You work hard, pay your taxes, invest in your business and die happy, knowing you have created a legacy that can be carried on and grown by your heirs.
Not so fast.
If you have had the good fortune to be successful in building up a business, contributing to the economy, paying personal and business taxes and employing dozens of workers, your heirs may inherit something that could jeopardize everything you built up: a huge bite called the estate tax, or death tax.
A measure to repeal the state death tax is on this year’s ballot. I-920 is a reasonable approach and should be supported. It’s only fair.
Money raised through the death tax goes to the Education Legacy Trust Account created last year by the Legislature to pay for education needs. Despite the fact that our state constitution mandates that a fundamental duty of the state is to provide adequate funding for education, we still find our schools wanting.
So instead of making the hard decisions, by focusing on the priorities of government and funding them first — and putting education at the top of the list — our legislators look for creative ways to pick the pockets of taxpayers.
Instituting a death tax was a smart move, pitting the rich against school kids, the perfect political cover.
The truth is, while the death tax will only fall on a few — those estates worth more than $2 million — the result is one more negative factor in our state’s business climate.
The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.
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I have Jeff Gannon’s number Ted. Got any crank?
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Republicans have to stop committing treason long enough to be hypocrites.
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What is really funny is how Republicans worship tax dollars (cuts) (deferrments actually) more than anything, but can’t stand the thought of one single auditor in Iraq……
The Republican’s only true god is THEIR OWN GREED!
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I just won’t put up with any more.
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BOSTON — By now you may think that “San Francisco Liberal” is her last name. “Nancy Pelosi San Francisco Liberal” is being used to frighten voters everywhere from Indiana to Georgia to Scarborough Country. She’s caricatured as “Michael Moore,” “a specter hanging like a cloud over America,” and a woman waiting to rule the country with “illegal immigrants” and a “radical homosexual agenda.”
But if being demonized is the price for power, Pelosi is willing to pay it. The Democratic leader may not be renowned for delivering the party message, but she’s great at keeping the House Democrats on message. And if they win a majority next week, she will become the first woman speaker of the House, two heartbeats away from the presidency.
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LONDON: George Bush is considered nearly as dangerous as America’s bete noire, Osama bin Laden, by ordinary people on the streets of America’s closest political and military ally, Britain.
Meanwhile, three other US neighbours and allies confirmed they regarded the planet’s only hyperpower a threat to world peace, in a damaging indictment of the US president’s track record post-9/11.
The international survey of public opinion, carried out in the UK, Canada, Mexico and Israel, showed high levels of distrust of President Bush in particular and America in general, five years after the so-called ‘war on terror’ began.
The poll, conducted by Britain’s Guardian newspaper, Canada’s La Presse and Toronto Star, Mexico’s Reforma and Israel’s Haaretz, comes four days before Americans vote in their mid-term Congressional elections
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Wow! Goldy posted nothing and this thread already has over 100 comments! That’s more than the pathetic little competing blog gets even when Stefan posts something.
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I guess Stefan just isn’t popular huh.
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By Kevin Tillman
Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document:
It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.
Much has happened since we handed over our voice:
Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.
Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.
Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.
Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.
Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.
Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.
Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.
Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.
Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
Somehow torture is tolerated.
Somehow lying is tolerated.
Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.
Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.
Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.
Somehow this is tolerated.
Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.
Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,
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re 95: I don’t know why you cut annd paste a bunch of propaganda. We’ve deconstructed every piece of crap you are laying down on this thread.
There is no reason on this earth or in the Constitution of this great land that gives anyone the right to tie up the wealth of this nation in the hands of the few.
Your “legacy” is pain, want, hunger and thirst, disease, drought and the ruination of this planet.
I’ve worked all my life to build my life. I see no reason why a man should work for 20 years and pay taxes on a million dollars and another should inherit a million and pay none.
Your father paid taxes on the money — not you. There’s no free lunch.
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We live in a world of curious euphemisms. There are things we want to say at times but cannot. So we say them in different ways.
For instance, whenever we say Pakistan, what we really mean is Muslim. When we say Pakistan is behind something, what we actually mean is: These Muslims are behind it. But since it’s still politically incorrect to blame an entire community, and a minority one at that, we blame it on Pakistan. Pakistan , to the average Indian, incorrectly I dare say, represents all that is wrong with Islam. Every time we blame Pakistan, we are actually blaming Muslims.
For we, or at least a very large section among us, are veering around to the belief that a secular India is not a place for Muslims- for Muslims owe allegiance, first and foremost to Islam, not to any nation.
While this may not be entirely true, as I know many Muslims who swear by India and secularism just as I know many Arabs who swear by Palestine, not Islam, the truth is also that, worldwide, Muslims appear to be firming up in their belief that their faith is more important than their nationality. That Allah is more important than India or UK or Saudi Arabia. We read about this daily. We watch it on TV.
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The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.
Commentby For the Clueless— 11/3/06@ 10:17 pm
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Truly clueless.
And better yet let’s let all of America’s wealth trickle up to a few rich families that have used their fortunes to leverage their influence at the expense of millions of Americans. Then we can have a society like Fuedal England! A few dozen lords calling the shots, running our country, and the rest of us living in squalor.
Did I hear anyone exclaim “let them eat cake” from their ivory tower?
Yee Haw!!!
The rich have every advantage, and at death they can pay society back for the advantages their wealth afforded them. Sounds fair to me? Bill Gates makes more off interest in a day than I will make in my lifetime. Of course we should pay the same in taxes right? Wingnuts. Nothing against Mr. Gates.
Why should multi millionares help pay for the education of “regular” Americans children? There are enought McDonalds hiring to go around…..
If you don’t believe me, try raising 3 kids on $15 an hour with no benefits…. Wait till one of them gets sick….. Wait till your job gets outsourced and you have to train your $2 an hour replacement or lose your severance pay….
Reaganomics = Death to Democracy
Bushonomics = Death to all living brain cells
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Republicans have betrayed America, our soldiers, and the voters.
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Did you find out how far off KC was on the reconcillation between votes cast and registered voters? Just more evidence that KC stole the election. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:08 pm
It’s not evidence of anything and shows how ignorant you are about election procedures! There was NO LIST that could be used to reconcile “votes cast” and “registered voters.” That’s because registration lists are continuously updated and the list available after the election is not the same as the voters entitled to vote in the election. Fucking idiot.
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Two years later and the gooper crybabies are still whining about losing an election. Sore loooooosers! Sheesh. Grow up.
… and Mark1 calls ME “juvenile and immature”?
(sarcastic bunny laughter)
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Why should heirs get income without paying income or capital gains taxes when workers and small investors don’t?
I agree, repeal the Estate Tax — and tax inheritances as ordinary income with the same exemptions and deductions that people who EARN their money get!
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And if they win a majority next week, she will become the first woman speaker of the House, two impeachments away from the presidency.
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Ted Haggard is an allegory of the Republican character that resonates with every man woman and child in this country who hasn’t sold their soul for a mess of pottage.
Ted Haggard is a man who, although gay himself, made a life persecuting other gays in the name of God for his own profit. Is Ted Haggard the Good Samaritan who reached out with the hand of Christian love to the person he perceived as a sinner. He most certainly is not!
Ted Haggard, like Republicans everywhere, hypocritically inflamed the credulous against those who just were who they were. He exploited a prejudice to line his own pockets all the while cynically practicing that which he taught others to loath.
And all on the taxpayers’ (his paishioners) dime!
YOU ARE INDEED A GENERATION OF VIPERS!!
And if you don’t know who I’m quoting here, I feel sorry for you…
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President Pelosi. Get used to saying it!
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INVESTIGATIONS! SUBPOENAS! FROG MARCHES! TRIALS! PINK JUMPSUITS!
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There’s nothing the cheap labor conservatives would like better than to get their riches tax-free!
No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period.
And they didn’t work for it. It came from other people’s work. The whole point of being a Republican is to live off other people’s labor so you don’t have to work!
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Republicans have betrayed America, our soldiers, and the voters.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/3/06@ 10:32 pm
How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting.
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This is worth repeating:
Editorial
The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.
In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.
In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.
Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.
It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.
But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.
This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.
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You got one thing right, republicans have betrayed the illegal voter. No big loss, they all vote democrat anyways.
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you have been out drinking with the lma agien haven;t you rabit
Well I guess it is friday night :-)
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The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.
Commentby For the Clueless— 11/3/06@ 10:17 pm
Yep, did that.
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No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period.
Amen
No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period = no goverment. Save the military and police though.
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I just won’t put up with any more.
Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 10:21 pm
Hold that thought. Let’s see how you feel Wednesday morning. Ah that is going to be funny. heheehe
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why did you do that buttnuts ? what so you can pick of the tax tap from the rich cheap skates.
If that passes you property tax are going to go way up.
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Mike?! McGavick is a Republican (although he doesn’t want you to know that).
Really, so he acts like a tax and spender? Yeah right. I voted for him as well. On Tuesday I am oging to vote for him again in KC. Hey if the dems can vote twice why cant we.
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why did you do that buttnuts ? what so you can pick of the tax tap from the rich cheap skates.
If that passes you property tax are going to go way up.
Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 10:55 pm
I vote for Eyeman initiatives as well. I am sure there will be more in the future. Not worried.
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The Churches are just big business’s. The like of Haggard, Dobson, Falwell and Robertson selling fear of a life after.
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Welcher,
“Isn’t the employment fraction a little over 96 out of a hunnerd?”
As a matter of fact yes. And, as a matter of fact, the employment fraction, as a fraction, used to be a tad smaller than that. The question is, which number changed, the numerator or the denominator?
Keep pressing that campaign strategy of trying to convince people that they’re really better off than they think they are. We’ll find out how well it’s been working on Tuesday.
Oh, and pay your debt to Goldy, asshole.
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re 123: If giving the rich tax breaks means we actually collect more taxes, then not taxing them at all would mean that nobody would have to pay taxes.
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Go a head a vote twice buttnuts and you will end up in jail like man coulter.
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If the rich did not contribute to charities,charities would collect more money.
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If you pay people less and less to produce more and more goods that no one can afford, it spreads democracy to third world countries.
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Go a head a vote twice buttnuts and you will end up in jail like man coulter.
Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 11:00 pm
No I won’t, I found a Kerry/Edwards button. heehhee
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If you subsidize corporate farms in the US and then sell the produce in Mexico cheaper than the indigineous farmers can produce it, you kill off the indigineous Mexican farms. Then you jack up the price of the American produce that is subsidized by the American taxpayer and you squeeze the poor people of Mexico even harder tan before.
That’s Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” at work.
Some would call that racketeering on a grand scale.Republican’s call it : “Free Enterprise.”
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There should be no inheritance tax so that wealth can be concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.
That’s patriotism.
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Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty
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yeh but if you show up with a kerry edwards button some right wing goon will think you are a demercrat beat you up to keep you from voting butnutz
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Are you a Socialist Soulless? If not you should be. I think you would like todays Socialist Party http://sp-usa.org/
I am tired of the demercrats taking me for granted.
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I would like to see the end of privit property
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Bush’s personal pastor is a cocksucking, buttfucking crack smoking whoremonger.
PRAISE JESUS FOR THIS GIFT HE HAS GIVEN US JUST DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION!
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But what I don’t like about him is his hypocrisy. I think the worst punishment for a man like that would be to TAX HIS ASS OFF!
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144 HALLALUYA
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Can you imagine the uproar in this country if John Kerry’s pastor turned out to be what Tim Haggard is? You’d never hear the end of it.
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Why are rich Floridians so sanguine about sending a child molesting pervert to Congress? Where’s the outrage?
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from the SPUSA Statement of Principles
The SOCIALIST PARTY strives to establish a radical democracy that places people’s lives under their own control — a non-racist, classless, feminist, socialist society in which people cooperate at work, at home, and in the community…A society based on radical democracy, with power exercised through people’s organizations, requires a socialist transformation from below. People’s organizations cannot be created by legislation, nor can they spring into being only on the eve of a revolution…Our tactics in the struggle for radical democratic change reflect our ultimate goal of a society founded on principles of egalitarian, non-exploitative and non-violent relations among all people and between all peoples…Our aim is the creation of a new social order, a society in which the commanding value is the infinite preciousness of every woman, man and child -
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I think people are finnaly sick of the republicans.
It like a old county remidy for keeping a dog from killing the chickens any more. You tie a dead chicken around there neck and leave it there till it rottes off.
The dog will never kill another chicken agien.
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How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:45 pm
Want to bet?*
* (Given the lousy track record of trolls in paying off lost bets, all bets made by trolls must be backed by cash in escrow.)
“AFRICAN-AMERICAN SOLDIERS SCRUBBED BY SECRET GOP HIT LIST
“by Greg Palast
“As reported for Democracy Now!“The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.
“A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.
“Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.
“One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.
“Here’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, ‘Do not forward’, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as ‘undeliverable.’
“The lists of soldiers of ‘undeliverable’ letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.
“One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. Jacksonville is third largest naval installation in the US, best known as home of the Blue Angels fighting squandron.
[See this scrub sheet at http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.g.....038;size=o ]
“Our team contacted the homes of several on the caging list, such as Randall Prausa, a serviceman, whose wife said he had been ordered overseas.
“A soldier returning home in time to vote in November 2004 could also be challenged on the basis of the returned envelope. …
“The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican’s national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to GOP Florida campaign chairman Brett Doster and other party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, ‘Caging.xls.’ Each of these contained several hundred to a few thousand voters and their addresses.
“A check of the demographics of the addresses on the ‘caging lists,’ as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.
“Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists … said: ‘The only thing I can think of – African American voters listed like this – these might be individuals that will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day.’
“These GOP caging lists were obtained by the same BBC team that first exposed the wrongful purge of African-American ‘felon’ voters in 2000 by … Katherine Harris. Eliminating the voting rights of those voters — 94,000 were targeted — likely caused Al Gore’s defeat in that race.
“The Republican National Committee in Washington refused our several requests to respond to the BBC discovery. However, in Tallahassee, the Florida Bush campaign’s spokespeople offered several explanations for the list.
“Joseph Agostini, speaking for the GOP, suggested the lists were of potential donors to the Bush campaign. Oddly, the supposed donor list included residents of the Sulzbacher Center a shelter for homeless families.
“Another spokesperson for the Bush campaign, Mindy Tucker Fletcher, ultimately changed the official response, acknowledging that these were voters, ‘we mailed to, where the letter came back – bad addresses.’
“The party has refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having ‘bad addresses’ subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad. …
“The GOP mailed the letters first class, at a total cost likely exceeding millions of dollars, so that the addresses would be returned to ‘cage’ workers.
“’This is not a challenge list,’ insisted the Republican spokesmistress. However, she modified that assertion by adding, ‘That’s not what it’s set up to be.’
“Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlaws mass challenges of voters where race is a factor in choosing the targeted group.
“While the party insisted the lists were not created for the purpose to challenge Black voters, the GOP ultimately offered no other explanation for the mailings. However, Tucker Fletcher asserted Republicans could still employ the list to deny ballots to those they considered suspect voters. When asked if Republicans would use the list to block voters, Tucker Fletcher replied, ‘Where it’s stated in the law, yeah.’
“It is not possible at this time to determine how many on the potential blacklist were ultimately challenged and lost their vote. Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a challenge.
“For the full story of caging lists and voter purges of 2004, plus the documents, read Greg Palast’s New York Times bestseller, ARMED MADHOUSE: Who’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?”
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What kind of SCUMBAGS would challenge the voting rights of SOLDIERS DEPLOYED IN IRAQ?
Republicans.
P.S., what the GOP did to those soldiers was also racist and a federal felony.
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Got any more smartass cracks about military votes, “Francine”? Let me ask you something.
Why do Republicans work so hard to keep American soldiers from voting in their own country, yet they’re willing to squander those same soldiers’ lives to give “democracy” to Iraqis?
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This is worth repeating:
Editorial
The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.
In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.
In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.
Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.
It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.
But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.
This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.
(Quoted under Fair Use)
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GOP READIES CHALLENGE TO TENN. VOTE
Republicans, anticipating a loss in Tennessee, aren’t waiting for election day to claim voting fraud.
“(T)he GOP is planning to declare fraud after next Tuesday’s election. As initially linked by DRUDGE (which should tell you almost all you need to know) earlier today, the GOP is laying the groundwork:
“Several electronic voting cards, used to cast ballots, are missing from a polling place in Memphis, according to the Tennessee Republican Party.
“In a letter to the Shelby County Election Commission, state GOP chairman Bob Davis Jr. charges the ‘lack of oversight and control’ over the so-called Smartcards ‘has created a situation which could allow for voter fraud.’
“The situation is not ‘lack of oversight and control’ of these smart cards. It’s lack of oversight and control of our electoral system such that we’ve come to a place where there are so many access points to the system, it’s virtually impossible, with this equipment, to have any kind of security that could ensure a legitimate vote.
“You’ll also note this unsubstantiated allegation from the AP coverage of the claims in TN:
“Davis sent his letter one day after Gibbons said he asked the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation to look into allegations two people each cast two ballots during early voting in Shelby County.
“Looks like the GOP is in good shape in Tennesse at this point. If they lose, they can make whatever claims they like: Fraud by Electronic Voting, or Voter Fraud by those nasty double-voting Dems. … ”
BLOGGED BY Brad ON 11/3/2006 5:58PM PT
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Pretty revealing huh? The vote hasn’t even been held yet and the Goopers are already screaming “FRAUD!”
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I almost don’t dare hope for it, but it appears that the right may indeed lose control of Congress next Tuesday. If so, they’ve brought it on themselves by believing their own bullshit.
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DIEBOLD GETTING OUT OF VOTING MACHINE BUSINESS?
Read the last paragraph of this Fortune article. http://tinyurl.com/ybjhck
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Seattle Post-Intelligencer Editorials for this Sunday:
General election endorsements. Notice that they are not making any endorsement in the Northeast District Court race:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....raped.html
My opponent sent out a mailer to promote his candidacy and knock mine. His mailer prominently featured excerpts from the 09/24/2006 Seattle P-I editorial, where they commented on my first place finish in the primary. Given all that, it is very interesting that they have decided that his candidacy isn’t worthy of endorsement either.
In other views, the Seattle P-I comments on the lawsuit over special education funding, and the anemic approach to education funding in this state in general:
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LOS ALAMOS DATA COMPROMISE ‘DEVASTATING’
Documents Found In Drug Raid Reveal How To Unlock Nuclear WeaponsIn a recent drug raid, police found documents and computer disks from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in a trailer belonging to a lab employee.
CBS reports that a “federal official recently briefed on the issue says ‘It’s devastating'” because the material includes instructions and codes to unlock nuclear weapons.
CBS says, “If a nuclear weapon were stolen, the information ‘would tell the terrorists everything they need to do to get a weapon to fire.'”
This article is quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/ylclh8
Roger Rabbit Comment: Don’t sweat the small stuff, Richard! The Bush administration is doing such a crappy job of safeguarding us from potential terrorists that you probably won’t live long to lose your judicial election.
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RECRUITERS TELL KIDS IRAQ WAR IS OVER
From ABC News:
Cameras Show Army Recruiters Misleading Students
(Nov. 3) — An ABC News undercover investigation showed Army recruiters telling students that the war in Iraq was over, in an effort to get them to enlist.
ABC News and New York affiliate WABC equipped students with hidden video cameras before they visited 10 Army recruitment offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.
“Nobody is going over to Iraq anymore?” one student asks a recruiter.
“No, we’re bringing people back,” he replies. “We’re not at war. War ended a long time ago,” another recruiter says. …
One Colorado student taped a recruiting session posing as a drug-addicted dropout. … The recruiters … helped him cheat to sign up.
During the ABC News sessions, some recruiters told our students if they enlisted, there would be little chance they’d to go Iraq. But Col. Robert Manning, who is in charge of U.S. Army recruiting for the entire Northeast, said that new recruits were likely to go to Iraq. …
ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn’t like the Army, you could just quit. …”
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yjm3v4
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IRAQ WAR? WHAT IRAQ WAR?
“WASHINGTON (CNN) — As she fights for her political life, Ohio Republican Rep. Deborah Pryce distanced herself Thursday from the Iraq war, telling CNN Radio, ‘What’s happening in Iraq is not a direct reflection on me.’
“The seven-term representative is the House Republican Caucus chairwoman, the fourth highest-ranking position in the House … experts say her current race with Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy is a toss-up.
“Pryce made the remark Tuesday in an interview at a Columbus, Ohio, factory. When pressed by CNN on whether her position as a House leader connected her to the volatile situation in Iraq, Pryce objected to the interruption of her remarks and said the interview was over.”
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or (c) info see http://tinyurl.com/y7qvb4
Roger Rabbit Comment: Yeah, cupcake, THAT war. Your party OWNS this turkey! You fucking voted for it, so don’t pretend you had nothing to do with it.
P.S. – are you one of those Republicans who questioned the patriotism of people who thought this war was a BAD IDEA? I hope you fucking LOSE on Tuesday, bitch.
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Roger:
I have a feeling that Francine is just JCH’s working name. Note the same lack of facts, the same inability to do anything but repeat lies and talking points.
So, Comrade Francine, we have given you tons of facts. Got a single one that supports anything you said?
No. Thought not. I love how wingnuts always claim that the Dems are out to stop the military from voting, but have no proof, and yet are perfectly happy to stop everyone else from voting.
Why do you hate America so Comrade Francine?
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LOL! Pope-A-Dope you really are impressed with yourself aren’t you. Your shit little race doesn’t warrant the attention of an endorsement. Besides they sure weren’t gonna endorse you so be thankful.
I predict this will be number 15 on your list of failed attempts. But hey, you got close once. That can be your fish that got away story.
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Votes with Bush? I didn’t know the president got a vote in the House.
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Had an interesting conversation with a bar owner last weekend. His lawyer and he are planning on getting payment from the state for the smoking ban if I-933 passes.
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GOOD WORK gOLDY – DARCY BY A POINT
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To Roger Rabbit and his friends, there are only two worlds left: terrorist free or terrorist controlled. Apparently are for the latter. Why? Below is an article with real names, not one with anonymous entries from unnamed sources!
“Terrorists love Democrats: “By Aaron Klein
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.comJERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday’s midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.
The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are “tired.”
They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed. Of course, donk and islamofascists think alike!
They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.
Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”
“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”
Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.
“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.
The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America’s war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq.
President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region
The debate became especially poignant following remarks by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the 2004 presidential candidate who voted in support of the war in Iraq. Earlier this week he intimated American troops are uneducated, and it is the uneducated who “get stuck in Iraq.”
Kerry, under intense pressure from fellow Democrats, now says his remarks were a “botched joke.”
Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi’s comments on Iraqi insurgency
Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.
In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”
Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.
WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.
Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.” – Moonbats how come the CNNs of the world could not find these Muslims? Or I think they didn’t want to show America the real enemy. They were scooped!
He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”
Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would “mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America).”
“Therefore, a victory in Iraq would be a greater defeat for America than in Vietnam.”
Jaara said vacating Iraq would also “reinforce Palestinian resistance organizations, especially from the moral point of view. But we also learn from these (insurgency) movements militarily. We look and learn from them.”
Hamas’ Abu Abdullah argued a withdrawal from Iraq would “convince those among the Palestinians who still have doubts in the efficiency of the resistance.” Did you say cut and run emboldens their resistance?
“The victory of the resistance in Iraq would prove once more that when the will and the faith are applied victory is not only a slogan. We saw that in Lebanon (during Israel’s confrontation against Hezbollah there in July and August); we saw it in Gaza (after Israel withdrew from the territory last summer) and we will see it everywhere there is occupation,” Abdullah said.
While the terror leaders each independently urged American citizens to vote for Democratic candidates, not all believed the Democrats would actually carry out a withdrawal from Iraq.
Saadi stated, “Unfortunately I think those who are speaking about a withdrawal will not do so when they are in power and these promises will remain electoral slogans. It is not enough to withdraw from Iraq. They must withdraw from Afghanistan and from every Arab and Muslim land they occupy or have bases.”
He called both Democrats and Republicans “agents of the Zionist lobby in the U.S.”
Abu Abdullah commented once Democrats are in power “the question is whether such a courageous leadership can [withdraw]. I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so. I tell the American people vote for withdrawal. Abandon Israel if you want to save America. Now will this Happen? I do not believe it.”
Still Jihad Jaara said the alternative is better than Bush’s party.
“Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world.” – Now where did he hear that except from the fringe moonbats!
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More thoughts for you Roger Rabbit:
Democrats: ‘No comment’
on terrorists’ endorsement
DNC, Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy decline
to discuss jihadists’ vote of confidence——————————————————————————–
Posted: November 3, 2006
5:00 p.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.comNational leaders in the Democratic Party, including Howard Dean’s Democratic National Committee, potential House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, possible presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and longtime party stalwart Ted Kennedy don’t want to talk with WorldNetDaily about an endorsement their party has received.
The endorsement came via a WND article by Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, who interviewed leaders of several prominent Mideast terrorist organizations, including Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad.
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.
Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
But WND was unable to get a single comment from dozens of telephone calls made over two days and messages left with various leaders’ offices and press secretaries.
“I’ll see what we can do,” was the best response WND obtained when asking for a comment on the endorsement, and that came from Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Hammill in Pelosi’s office. It came on the third call to that office.
The Democratic National Committee was approached at least six times, and multiple messages were deposited on a voice mail system handled by the courteous Rosemary, who said, “We’re extremely busy,” but there was no response, even after one spokesman in Sen. Barack Obama’s officer referred WND to the DNC because such a question would be in “Chairman Dean’s” territory.
The Democratic Leadership Council’s response to multiple phone calls was similar, a promise to call back later.
At least three messages left with Sen. Clinton’s office went unreturned after a receptionist forwarded the calls to an answering machine, which informed WND that, “No one is available to take your call at this time.”
Calls to Sen. Kennedy’s office actually reached a live person, who listened to the request and promised, “If we’re able to we’ll shoot you something. We can’t promise.”
Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar’s office generated a merry-go-round of telephone numbers. A call to his Washington office generated a referral to a Denver office, which generated a referral to a press office, which generated a referral to a cell phone. When a spokesman answered that number, the caller was referred back to the press office, which had an answering machine attached to the line. Leave a message.
A call to Sen. Harry Reid also allowed the caller to leave a message.
On the Republican side, Sen. Tom Tancredo, of Colorado, said those Mideast leaders are right – in one way.
He told WND that the assessment by terrorists who suggested U.S. voters choose the Democrats on Tuesday because they believe an expected removal of U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory is hard to dispute.
“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.
“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.
“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.
The president’s recent statements also have given those factions reason to hope for better results under a Democrat Party leadership than the existing decision-makers.
“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said during a campaign stop this week. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.
“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction.
“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.
Of course Goldie is a no show on this. This blows apart any further consideration who supports cut and run and who is supportive of cut and run!
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Next for your review Roger Rabbit. This is the real world. Something you and your furballettes do not live in:
“ELECTION 2006
Lawmaker: Terrorists
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Posted: November 3, 2006
12:41 p.m. Eastern© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.
Leaders of Mideast terrorist organizations such as the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad are right – in one way, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.
Terrorists interviewed by WorldNetDaily suggested Americans should vote for Democrats Tuesday, because the party’s plan to remove U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory.
Tancredo today told WND the assessment is hard to dispute.
“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.
“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.
“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into, and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.
Multiple messages left over the course of two days seeking comment from the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Leadership Council, the offices of Sens. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton and others were not returned to WND.
The Republican National Committee also did not return a message asking for comment.
The president’s recent statements also have given the terrorists reason to hope for better results should the Democrat Party leadership be in power rather than the existing decision-makers.
“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction,” Bush said during a recent campaign stop.
“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.
“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.
His comments were on the same subject being discussed by those terrorist leaders this week.
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.
They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.
They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.
Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.
Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
Bush’s comments came on a campaign swing through southern states, where he was stumping for Republican candidates in a mid-term election that could leave either Republicans or Democrats in control of Congress, and terrorists a focal point of many debates.
“We will defeat them,” he promised. “We’ll defeat them because our commanders on the ground have all the flexibility necessary to make sure that we constantly stay ahead of the enemy. We’ll defeat them because we got a fantastic United States military,” he said.
“We will succeed in Iraq because the Iraqis want to live in a peaceful society. Twelve million – nearly 12 million defied car-bombers and assassins and terrorists and went to vote. … And I believe strongly that they’ll become a government of the people, and by the people, and for the people.
“As a matter of fact, I believe the only way we cannot succeed is if we leave before the job is done,” he said.
Bush said Democrats have talked a lot about different plans to deal with terrorism.
“They’ve come up with a lot of creative ways to describe leaving Iraq before the job is done. Sometimes they say, ‘immediate redeployment.’ Sometimes they say they wouldn’t spend another dime on our troops. Sometimes they say the idea that we’re going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong. However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses,” he said.
But in a statement on their website, the Democrats said, “We will protect Americans at home and lead the world by telling the truth to our troops, our citizens and our allies. We believe in a strong national defense that is both tough and smart, recognizing that homeland security begins with hometown security.”
“Democrats have a plan that is comprehensive – from repairing our military, to winning the war on terror, to protecting our homeland security, to ensuring success in Iraq and freeing America of its dependence on foreign oil – and it will finally prepare America for the security needs of the 21st Century. And we honor the sacrifices our troops, their families and veterans by making sure we take care of them when they come home,” the statement continued.
A new New York Times poll also indicated that Americans believe the U.S. will pursue a “quicker exit from Iraq” should the Democrats be in control. The survey said Americans believe the Democrats “have coalesced around a general position of finding a way to reduce or end American involvement in Iraq” but it also noted “there is substantial disagreement among Democratic Congressional leaders and candidates about exactly how to accomplish that.”
“Nearly 75 percent of respondents, including 67 percent of Republicans and 92 percent of Democrats, said they expected that Americans (sic) troops would be taken out of Iraq more swiftly under a Democratic-led Congress.”
The poll said 41 percent of respondents said they expected that troop levels would decrease if Democrats won control, while 40 percent said the party would seek to remove all troops. Forty-one percent said that they expected troop levels to remain the same if Republicans won, while 29 percent said they thought the United States would send more troops if the Republicans continued to control Congress.
Vice President Dick Cheney has reinforced Bush’s plans:
“Time and time again, we’re seeing examples of Democratic Party leaders apparently having lost their perspective concerning the nature of the enemy we face, and the need to wage this fight aggressively,” he said in a campaign stop this week. “No sharper example can be found than the Democratic Party chairman himself, Howard Dean, who said the capture of Saddam Hussein didn’t make America any safer.”
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, told WND the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”
“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”
Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.
“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.
Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.
In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”
Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.
WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.
Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.”
He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”
I guess John Murtha is right? Wrong!
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36 Americ afirst
“How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage”
Hey, the real score was when our secret Democratic crack whore operatives got the president of the American Evangelical Assocation to admit to it. Well, that and the e-mails and tapes.
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“I am Democrat – I have no clue about islamofascism. When shown the thoughts of islamofascists in writing, I bury my head in the sand. Nancy Pelosi is right – the islamofascists will stop. They are wrong. When I say I support cut and run, I don’t understand why we just can’t get along. When I say I support cut and run it doesn’t leave Israel in real danger. Why should I care about Israel? I am Democrat. That’s the job for neocon losers. I only care about getting into your pocketbook. I like taxes. All kinds of taxes. I want to be like many European socialist states. I really like France. Those muslim riots are great stories. I care less about what happens overseas. Yes, I am careless! I care less about religion. Hitler was right about religion. Karl Marx was right about religion. That’s why I am Democrat, I hate religion. I have the MSM in my pocket.”
“Finally, my actions always are louder than my words.”
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Ted Haggard is gay.
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Ted Haggard smokes crack.
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John Kerry can’t tell a joke.
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That’s fair. It’s both sides of the issue. The president’s minister is a crack smoking gay whoremonger and Kerry has bad timing on a punchline.
You got 3 days to spin that.
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I think my three posts say it all about the cause and how moonbats don’t see the world.
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Breaking news:
Mike Mcgavick declares himself a ” Mcgavick Republican”.
Dave Reichart states that he will get that bus driver fired, even if it takes 20 years and a DNA test.
Republicans declare November national “natural colon exam month”
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How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:45 pm
Want to bet?*
Sure, the disenfranchisement of the military voter is explained in the following article:
From Navy Seals.com
http://www.navyseals.com/commu.....fm?id=6536By Chad Miles
A recent report issued by the National Defense Committee, a nonprofit organization that supports the U.S. military and encourages veterans to run for elective office, recently found that 25 percent of ballots cast by military personnel in the 2004 presidential election went uncounted. Incredibly, that rate of disenfranchisement could be even higher due to the fact that the study relied on voluntary disclosure of information from local election officials.
Unfortunately, the issue of soldiers being disenfranchised during an election is nothing new. We all remember the 2000 Florida recount fiasco and the events surrounding it. During that election, the rate of uncounted ballots cast by members of the armed forces was even higher at a staggering 29 percent nationwide.
In Florida, which turned out to be the pivotal state in determining the winner of the 2000 election, around 1,400 military absentee votes were left uncounted, largely because of the role of lawyers working for the Democratic Party at local canvassing boards who followed a directive from the party to challenge all military ballots on the premise that they likely were votes for Republican nominee George W. Bush.
Although many lawmakers vowed that the level of disenfranchisement seen in the aftermath of that election would never happen again, it looks like it did.
According to the committee’s study, “Military and Overseas Absentee Voting in the 2004 Election,” the largest problem in managing military absentee ballots is not hostile attorneys, but rather what military historians call “the tyranny of distance” – the unavoidable difficulties inherent in getting ballots to our deployed military people serving overseas.
During the election in 2000, the study found that, 30 percent of military personnel did not receive their ballot in time to cast a vote. When you combine that figure with the number of votes that were tossed out for various reasons – including arriving to the absentee voters via snail mail past voting deadlines – you can see that the scope of the problem is enormous.
The challenge of getting ballots to soldiers was even worse during the 2004 election due to the post-9/11 deployments of military units to Iraq, Afghanistan and dozens of other countries in support of the Global War on Terror, the committee found. Units frequently on the move and mail delays caused by local threats such as the danger of roadside bombs made the task of getting ballots to the troops even more daunting.
However, military absentee voters once again in 2004 found themselves the target of partisan political maneuvering as had happened in Florida four years earlier.
Recognizing the fact that more time would be needed to count all of the military ballots arriving from overseas, the Pennsylvania legislature in 2004 requested that Gov. Edward G. Rendell authorize a two-week extension for the acceptance of military ballots to compensate for the issues surrounding the wartime situation in which our soldiers are now engaged.
However, in Pennsylvania in 2004, as in Florida in 2000, political operatives were motivated by their longstanding knowledge that a strong majority of military voters generally supports Republican candidates.
Rendell, a Democrat, initially refused the request to assist military absentee voters. But it later was discovered that he had launched an aggressive “get out the vote” information campaign within the state’s prison population, informing inmates of voting rights and providing them with absentee ballots for the election. Other studies have shown that a majority of the prison voting population supports Democratic candidates. The adverse publicity prompted Rendell to approve the extension for military overseas voters.
In Washington state, the U.S. Justice Department threatened to sue less than a month before the 2004 election because election officials had yet to even mail out absentee ballots to military personnel overseas. What may have been bureaucratic incompetence may well have altered the outcome of that state’s gubernatorial election.
The Washington state governor’s race between Republican nominee Dino Rossi and Democratic nominee Christine Gregoire turned out to be even tighter than the Florida presidential vote count in 2000. The Republican candidate won the first two re-counts but ultimately lost the third by 128 votes. With a total of 31,910 overseas ballots mailed out for that election, it’s easy to see that even a few lost, late or missing military votes made a huge impact in the election, ultimately deciding the race.
When it was time for Congress to ratify the 2004 election results and electoral vote count for the offices of President and Vice President during a joint session last December, two Democratic legislators challenged the results on the basis of voting irregularities and disenfranchisement. Was someone finally going to raise the issue of one-fourth of our deployed military men and women not having a voice in the democratic process? No.
The challenge concerned votes cast in the state of Ohio, which turned out to be the pivotal state in 2004 with enough electoral votes to swing the election and the Presidency to John Kerry. The challenge centered on disqualification of a newly created provisional ballot, not the military vote, and was nothing more than a symbolic protest by the party that had lost the presidential election.
It appears that once again the rights of military overseas voters are no longer an issue within the political establishment.
We should not have to still be struggling with this issue. Before the 2004 election, the Department of Defense launched an online voting system called the Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment (SERVE), designed to give military personnel deployed around the world the ability to vote instantly online. This would have obviously corrected the problems surrounding the reliance of postal mail for balloting, and put an end to the partisan shenanigans we saw in Florida with Democratic Party lawyers targeting military voters for ballot rejection.
Alas, DoD officials opted to shut down the SERVE program before the election due to security concerns dealing with the sensitive nature of the data and the possibility of illegitimate votes being tabulated. Since DoD manages to send thousands of classified messages daily around the globe, many of them stamped “Top Secret,” it is hard to imagine that these security and privacy concerns cannot be resolved.
It is ridiculous to have our troops filling out paper ballots and placing them in the mail in a day and age when publicly available technology allows you to take a picture and send it to someone on the other side of the world with a small cellphone. The disenfranchisement on the scale that we have seen in recent years is unacceptable, but it is definitely correctible.
If DoD officials take the time to develop a secure and dependable electronic voting system, some election results may be drastically different in the years to come – but unlike the number of contested elections we have seen since 2000, the results will more likely reflect the judgment of all of the voters – including those serving in harm’s way to protect our freedoms.
Contributing Editor Chad Miles is a U.S. Army veteran who served with the 82nd Airborne Division and the 5th Special Forces Group during the 1990s. He founded the website WhoServed.com, which tracks the military service of previous and current U.S. government leaders, and is currently pursuing a degree in political science from the University of Michigan – Dearborn. He can be reached at chad@whoserved.com. Send Feedback responses to dwfeedback@yahoo.com.
I get my facts straight from the military, not lying proganda from some lefty, moonbat site.
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Webbsterino, there’s just one problem with your three posts. “Winning” in Iraq, at least in the military sense, is no longer possible. Why, because the Commander in Chief that you helped to elect has been the most incompetent CiC in our history.
Read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11...../newsweek/Or, better yet, read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15.....?nav=slateYou see, sport, before you can make this whole “cut and run” argument stick, you have to define “winning” in such a way as to make it achievable. You and the right-wing clowns whom you let do your thinking for you have never adequately defined what “winning” means.
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WOS – straight cut and paste from Wing Nut Daily. You are a hollow man.
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Hey! My last true post yesterday was at 9:52 pm then some jerk-off (probably DOOFUS or WOS) started posting in my name.
I bet it was ASS. Sounds like something she’d do.
These wingnuts are getting super desperate.
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You suck Mike Webb.
What do you three cut and pastes say? We interviewed terrorists and they want Democrats because they want us out?
Well fucking Duh!
Even if these interviewies didn’t have their testicles attached to a car battery in Abu Garib.
They know as well as all of the fucking world, that there is no dealing in anyway to come to a solution with this administration.
They will have to keep dying as well as our young people. Because this fuckwad only knows diplomacy with killing.And now to find out about the war profiteering going on while 1000’s of people are dying. This group is gonna have a lot of splainen to do. Now the reconstruction theifs want to bail, without doing fucking anything but stealing money.
Speak of Cut and Run. Go fuck up Iraq, kill their people, promise reconstruction then don’t do it, then tell them them you need to put a democracy in this cesspool we have left you. We have made enough profit for now.
Fucking Treasonous war profiteers.Everyone is tired of this war including those on the make for 73 virgins…they are running out of virgins.
They want democrats, because they know that we are going to have to make YOUR Mia Culpa for making the mideast a cesspool.
They know we are the ones who are going to try to mend relationships with the rest of the world, that Bushco has fucked up.
Just like anytime we have a GOP President, it takes the next Democrat to fix the fucking mess you leave, we have to raise taxes to pay for YOUR irresponsible credit card spending.
So next time you want to say Democrats are ‘obstructionists’
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WOS – if your Preznit is so hot why are these guys still ALIVE giving interviews?
Could it be the wingnuts need these guys for their propaganda against Democrats?
You are such an idiot WOS!
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I am still Republican – I still cheat, lie, and steal when I’m not crying about being a hypocrit and a family. I hate liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. Weep, weep, weep….I have to pay taxes – why cant’t everything in life be free like the poor black folks get it…boooh hoooo hoooo. HAIL HITLER!
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Hey WOS – the way you deal with terrorists is kill them, cut off their funding, eliminate the need for people to join their causes. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The way wingnuts deal with them is to publish their views in wingnut publications, spreading fear for the purpose of maintaining power.
All you guys care about is power. And once you get it, you abuse it and screw everything up. That’s why you have to go.
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Well now even the military papers are saying Rummy must go. I suppose they are all part of the liberal media?
Hey righties – it must suck to be so wrong all the time. HE HE. Let’s see where you cum drunk inbred right wingers are Wed. Weeping in your oatmeal no doubt!
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On Terrorism:
The Democratic Party believes in an ounce of prevention: homeland security, follow the money, foreign economic and security aid, limited military intervention.
The extreme right wingers believe in a ton of cure: endless wars, tens of thousands dead and maimed, more hate and ill will toward the United States.
The Democratic way decreases violence and death and encourages peace – the other way spirals hate and violence out of control.
Do the smarter thing. Vote Democratic
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Almost forgot. The extreme right-wingers believe in a huge helping of corruption for their benefit to go along with their endless wars and death.
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I am a senior citizen.
During the Clinton Administration I had an extremely good and well paying job.
I took numerous vacations and had several vacation homes.
Since President Bush took office, I have watched my entire life change for the worse.
I lost my job.
I lost my two sons in that terrible Iraqi War.
I lost my homes.
I lost my health insurance.
As a matter of fact I lost virtually everything and became homeless.
Adding insult to injury, when the authorities found me living like an animal, instead of helping me, they arrested me.
I will do anything that Senator Kerry and Senator Kennedy want to insure that a Democrat is back in the White House.
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Hey DOOFUS,
Some “moonbat” publications and websites are calling for Rummy to resign. You know that guy who is the architect of the “winning strategy” in Iraq.
The “moonbat” publications are the Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Times and Air Force Times.
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Kuddos to Anonymous #207 – for outlining the plight of one individual vs the masses. Spoken like a true lieing, cheating and stealing Republican.
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Terrorists give interviews to journalists? Last I heard they were cutting journalists’ heads. Whatever happened to Islamic head removal? Are terrorists all democrats now? You amuse me. Thanks.
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Anonymous, like most Republicans, cares more about some rich guy than the soldiers that the GOP have sent to die in a foolish war of choice.
Typical Republican, cannot talk about the real issues.
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John Kerry can’t tell a joke. Commentby For the Soulless— 11/4/06@ 8:25 am
Tell us something we don’t know.
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That’s Bill Gates-speak for “quit wasting my time; if you can’t do better than that, leave the room.”
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Doofus Limbaugh:
You do realize the article you post mostly blames the Republican Congress for not making it easier for the military oversees to vote?
According to the committee’s study, “Military and Overseas Absentee Voting in the 2004 Election,” the largest problem in managing military absentee ballots is not hostile attorneys, but rather what military historians call “the tyranny of distance” – the unavoidable difficulties inherent in getting ballots to our deployed military people serving overseas.
During the election in 2000, the study found that, 30 percent of military personnel did not receive their ballot in time to cast a vote. When you combine that figure with the number of votes that were tossed out for various reasons – including arriving to the absentee voters via snail mail past voting deadlines – you can see that the scope of the problem is enormous.
I guess it is the Republicans that don’t want the military to vote, since they are the ones that set the laws.
Thanks for making that clear Doofus.
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Sucks Mike Web:
Strange how you forget to mention the Al Qaeda missive that talked about how great Bush was for them by starting the war in Iraq which increased their recruiting.
And isn’t the proof of your lie the fact that Al Qaeda has not attacked this week? After all, if they wanted to get Democrats into office, they would show how weak Bush is. Instead they are laying low this election. Actual Proof that Al Qaeda wants Republicans to win.
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How have the Republicans betrayed the soldiers? I can sum that up in two words:
Operation Helmet
Folks — really now … when a Hollywood star has to raise money from the public to buy BATTLE HELMETS for soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn’t that tell you something about the priorities of the people who sent them there?
Operation Helmet has distributed over 27,000 helmet kits and still needs contributions — the current backlog of requests is over 500 kits.
Note that these kits are only sent to soldiers who REQUEST them. Why do they request them? Because they can’t get them from the government.
One more thing: Not one trollfuck has contributed a fucking dime to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ I sent $99. All the trollfucks put together haven’t sent $0.01. Whoooooo supports the troops? I do. Do they support the troops? Noooooo … just blowing smoke.
Just blowing pink smoke out of their asses. Blowin’ wind. Their faux “patriotism” is blowin’ in the wind.
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What War?
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Hey, does anyone know if I’ll be getting a tax break this year?
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If you’ve sold out and given up on your dreams, you just might be a Republican. (HEHE)
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84 Francine
“How did KC do in reconciling votes cast to registered voters?”
Reconcilation is not and never has been intended to provide a 1:1 match between registeredvoters and ballots cast. Voter registration rolls are always in flux, while ballots cast are a snapshot. The meaning you attach to the discrepancy is an expression of your ignorance.
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Wow, I go to a funeral for a friend’s father and you all get whipped up in a lather. Amazing what islamofascists for moonbats does for ya.
Now let’s clear the air. No one, and I mean no one, discussed the lack of monnbat leadership response to the terrorists wanting them to win. What is amazing is these moonbatnuts here got their testicles in a knot because the terrorists tell the truth!
THE TERRORIST SAY TEY WILL NOT STOP THEIR TERROR! In fact they say cut and run strengthens their hand. Of course moonbats are in shock. But the moonbat Pelosi said they will stop. She knows. She understands them. NOT! That’s the truth! The verdict is out!
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This and the NYT admitting Saddam was within a year of a nuclear weapon, really puts moonbat speak in jeopardy!
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Did Reichert graduate from high school? His bio says he “attended”…never mentions “graudated”. I’m just asking…
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Absolutely Awesome!
Choke on THAT EvilFuckingChristianistBitch!
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Great Clip!
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WOW!
I love it!
…. and EVERYONE knows video games are Good for the Soul (caliber)…
religion….. bah humbug!
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That was so cool!!!! I liked the song at the end.
Hey Wingnuts – is this an example of the coarsening of our culture?
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Thank God, liberals refuse to/can’t breed and won’t be producing any more child whores.
Is goldstiens brat brunete?
I’m just asking.
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Jesus = Prince of Peace
It all depends on what the meaning of peace is right?
I love Bush’s good vs evil analagy.
We are good, and they are evil right? We get to kill all of “them” we want right? All in the name of “good” right?
If they don’t want to give us their stuff we will kill them, or corrupt their leaders.
Read “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” if you don’t get it.
I tell you what. If Bush, and the GOP are Christians, I am just the opposite. Period.
Jesus is with me…….
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Free speech?
your friend Richard Pope is in Sea Times this am, cuz some gov’t or law group doesn’t like his ads…..
WTF….why can’t he say near anything? let the public flame him (like we’ve done Darcy) but don’t have his free speech regulated…
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Using a child as a propaganda tool. How sad.
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Conservative,
Yes, using children as propaganda tools is very sad.
On the other hand, incorporating them into one’s sexual fantasies while working as a Representative in Congress is just plain sick.
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No one beleives president Bush any more. He can’t even convince that hardcore 30+%. According to the latest NY Times/CBS poll,
80 percent said Mr. Bush’s latest effort to rally public support for the [Iraq] conflict amounted to a change in language but not policy. It’s amazing how many Republicans realize that he’s a goddamn liar?Wingnuts? Report.
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Using a child as a propaganda tool. How sad.
Commentby ConservativeFirst— 11/2/06@ 9:28 am
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Using the terror alert system to control the media cycle. How criminal.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w.....erts_x.htm
This little girl doesn’t fit the Denial “frame” righ? Having children defined by O’Riley is like having Jews defined by NAZIS.
When are you wingnuts gonna admit the GOP is a bunch of crooked, lying, corrupt, treasonous perverts? Oh, all facts have to support my positions so I take that back. Either they are perverts, or they are protecting perverts!
By the way, who was Jeff Gannon visiting on his overnight stays at the White House?
(crickets chirping)
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Maybe if the Christians weren’t so involved with politics, people wouldn’t want to feed them to the lions…..
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Conservativefirst @ 9
Using children as pawns in a politically motivated war, Iraq, then refusing to allow us to see the coffins returning is shamefully wrong too. Personally, I would rather see the short fim featuring a child ACTOR. How about you, asshole?
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So president Bush thinks Don Rumsfeld is doing a fantastic job in Iraq, and Majority Leader John Boehner agrees. All of the problems we’re having in Iraq are because the generals don’t know what they’re doing, but Rummy does. And/or the other possibility: the troops aren’t executing competently. And these are Republicans saying this. Way to “support the troops” Mr. President. Way to “support the troops,” Mr. Majority Leader.
These guys don’t deserve to lead.
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wingnuts – no sense of humor whatsoever. Propaganda? That kid was speaking the truth! That was great political theatre/satire. That was art!
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9 ConservativeFirst
At least the kid is working, and not a leech sucking the blood out of taxpayers in public school.
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an “actor” being dressed as a child whore and given a script that reads like a HA devotee is STILL an exploited child… actually even MORE of an exploited chid as her parents are making money off her exploitation, her agent is making money off her exploitation, her cameraman is making money off her exploitation,the makeup artist (although how hard is it to look like a whore)is making money off her exploitation, the ad agency is making money off her exploitation, the “band” is making money off her exploitation a glopstien is making money off her exploitation.
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Strange that a God that doesent exist should bother you so much! Sounds like some kind of disorder to me. Professional help is available. Or maybe the problem is that you know down deep that you are wrong. One day every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!
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6 Anon
My liberal sisters and brother have eight children between them. Be very afraid.
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18 Anon
She’s not an “actor,” she’s an actor. And all those people you disparage are the hard working people that Democrats are rpresanting. No wonder you guys are losing.
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#20 big deal
how many brothers and sisters?
how many did they abort?
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I look forward to the day we have death squads to rid the world of your kind
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This “God that doesn’t exist” doesn’t bother me in the least. The people who make outrageous claims about this God telling them to do despicable things tend to concern me a little.
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Commentby Anonymous— 11/2/06@ 9:59 am
Child whore? WTF are you talking about, your own perverted fantasies?
She was dressed really cool, like a great dame. Sicko.
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she could be CHILD actor but that doesn’t make her less exploited.
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great ‘dames’ don’t dress like whores.
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Does your mother dress like a whore? I thought so. Pervert.
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23 – Is that ASS hiding in there?
24 – a wingnut attitude to be sure. That’s why we’re going to change things next Tuesday.
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“Thank God, liberals refuse to/can’t breed ”
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So YOU decide who’s exploited, and YOU decide who’s a whore. So like a Republican. Attack the morals of those with whom you have political disagreements. Your time is over.
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Commentby My Left Foot— 11/2/06@ 9:52 am
“Using children as pawns in a politically motivated war, Iraq, then refusing to allow us to see the coffins returning is shamefully wrong too. Personally, I would rather see the short fim featuring a child ACTOR. How about you, a**hole? ” (explitive deleted)
What children were used as pawns in Iraq? The soldiers? Unless they’ve changed the entrance requirements to the military, all military personnel are adults, and joined voluntarily.
Actress or not, using a child to as a propoganda tool is wrong. Does your virulent hatred of Bush not allow you to see this?
Commentby Don Joe— 11/2/06@ 9:43 am
“On the other hand, incorporating them into one’s sexual fantasies while working as a Representative in Congress is just plain sick.”
I’ll agree with you there. Foley is no longer in Congress, and his seat will likely be held by a Democrat next term. The system apprears to be working, as far as I can tell. Other than to score cheap political points, what are you trying to say? That using a child as a propoganda tool is okay?
Commentby Daddy Love— 11/2/06@ 9:58 am
“At least the kid is working, and not a leech sucking the blood out of taxpayers in public school.”
I’ll assume you are being sarcastic.
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CF – Nobody really “hates” Bush (ok maybe a few). A majority of people in this country merely dislike the guy and the disastrous path down which he and his enablers has sent this country.
We’d just like to retire the guy to Crawford as soon as possible. He’s blown his opportunity to something worthwhile – big time.
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All the right wing morons who bloviate about the breeding rates of liberals are ignoring one thing.
The greatest recruiter of people to the moderate and liberal ranks are wingnut policies themselves.
Almost all Iraq veterans running for office are on the Democratic ticket. That speaks for itself.
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Conservative, you apparently didn’t follow my link. It referred to a news item about Republicans exploiting children for political purposes. It took me less than 30 seconds with Google to find that link.
Not that I’d expect consistency out of a conservative, but you really shouldn’t make it this easy.
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glopstien and his lemmings/apologizers haven’t figured out the difference between DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN and DO IT TO THE CHILDREN, nor do they seem to grasp the difference between F*CKING and PROCREATING.
GOOD!
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The guy who runs orbusmax is a wingnut extremist – a “fringe” blogger indeed. He practically makes Sharansky look halfway normal.
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Clueless, conservatives have this knack for mistaking anger and disgust for hatred. I’ve yet to figure out how they manage to be so indiscriminating.
But, you really do have to wonder. When their children do things that make conservatives angry, do these conservatives start hating their children? That would certainly explain a lot.
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Anon,
So Mark Foley was doing it for the children?
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resigned vs re-elected after censure (rest in hell Gerry Studds)
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Don Joe – for the most part it’s not a mistake, it’s deliberate. The anonymous moron calls people who agree with Goldy in the main “lemmings” is displaying another wingnut trait – projection.
They, the wingnuts, are the true lemmings. They read the wingnut talking points from all the usual sources and repeat them endlessly – one of them being painting anger and disgust with failed, disastrous Bushite policies as nothing but inchoate hatred for their Dear Leader.
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some looney commenter is posting (rest in hell Gerry Studds)
Say hello to him when you get there though I think you are more likely to get there than he is
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Commentby For the Clueless— 11/2/06@ 10:43 am
“CF – Nobody really “hates” Bush (ok maybe a few).”
I think more than just a few people here on HA, hate Bush, and are a mirocosm of the country. I think there’s a large contingent of fringe lefties that hate Bush and can’t function because of it. Just like the right wing fringies that hated Clinton so much it paralyzed them.
“A majority of people in this country merely dislike the guy and the disastrous path down which he and his enablers has sent this country.”
If you want to disagree with his policies, that’s a whole other matter. I just don’t think using a child to say things that her parents or whomever made this “film” want to espouse is an appropriate way to communicate a disagreement with another person’s views.
You lefties do realize that “Onward Christian Soliders” is not advocating violence, but instead is compelling Christians to fight in a spiritual war against the evil of Satan.
“We’d just like to retire the guy to Crawford as soon as possible. He’s blown his opportunity to something worthwhile – big time.”
Well mark your calendar for 1/20/09. It’ll be a red letter day for you. I saw that Howard Dean said today Democrats won’t try and impeach Bush if they win a majority. I’m not sure I believe him. But if the Dems do win a majority in the House, it’ll be an interesting internal debate in the Democratic Party, since those “few” who hate Bush, seem to talk a lot and talk pretty loudly.
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Commentby Don Joe— 11/2/06@ 10:48 am
“Conservative, you apparently didn’t follow my link. It referred to a news item about Republicans exploiting children for political purposes. It took me less than 30 seconds with Google to find that link.”
From the link:
“Ads Accuse Dems of Not Protecting Kids ”“Not that I’d expect consistency out of a conservative, but you really shouldn’t make it this easy.”
Seems like two completely different things to me. The video posted here directly exploits a child.
The link you provided is about ads that attack the positions of candidates for office being soft on policies that protect children. In your world a candidate can’t be criticized about their policies if those policies involve children because it’s exploiting children? Strange argument, but alright.
Maybe you should spend more time on your search next time, to find some information that is actually relevant to the argument at hand.
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This reminds me of one of those Hezbollah clips with the masked kids with wooden guns marching around an acting as stupid as their parents. Is the kid that percousious or being heavily directed by some misguided adult? For God’s sake let the kid have some fun
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about 50 percent sicko
my daughters are the product of enlightened progressive patenting – and never would we have manged them into something like this
horrid
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Conservative,
Ok, so now you’ve followed the link, but didn’t actually read the article. Go back and read it again. The ad discussed there exploited children just as much as the video Goldy posted.
Please try to keep the issues strait. It’s not about the message that’s being delivered. It’s about the use of children in delivering the message. Of course, given that you clearly can’t keep the key issues straight, it’s no wonder you whinge about whether or not what I’ve linked is relevant.
I’m merely noting that using children to deliver the message seems quite alright to you when you agree with the message. You only piss and moan about using children when you don’t agree with the message.
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At least nine GOP seats have been affected by scandals and are highly vulnerable to Democratic takeover next week. Foley’s abrupt resignation has jeopardized a Florida House district that had been on no one’s radar screen. Under indictment and amid a swirl of ethics investigations, former House majority leader Tom DeLay (Tex.) resigned from Congress earlier this year, forcing Republicans to mount a long-shot write-in campaign for their chosen candidate. Rep. Robert W. Ney’s guilty plea last month on corruption charges still hangs over the Ohio campaign of his would-be Republican successor, Joy Padgett, especially because Ney still has not resigned from Congress.
The GOP has all but abandoned longtime Rep. Curt Weldon (Pa.), as federal investigators examine charges that he steered lobbying contracts to his daughter. Weldon went on television yesterday with an ad featuring actors pleading, “Would you give a friend the benefit of the doubt? . . . Today, Curt Weldon needs our support.”
Republican campaign strategists fear they have also lost the seat of Rep. Don Sherwood (Pa.), who has been dogged by the settlement of a lawsuit filed by a mistress who charged that Sherwood had throttled her.
Congress watchers once saw the swing seat of Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) as a missed opportunity for Democrats. But now, as the U.S. attorney’s office in Phoenix examines his role in a land deal for a business partner and political benefactor, Renzi’s race with political neophyte Ellen Simon (D) has tightened.
Farther west, Rep. Jon Porter (R-Nev.) has had to contend with charges lodged last month by a longtime former aide, Jim Shepard, that the lawmaker made dozens of illegal fundraising calls from his congressional offices. And two reliably Republican districts in California are under assault by Democrats because Reps. Richard W. Pombo and John T. Doolittle have been linked to Abramoff, the lobbyist who pleaded guilty in January to fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy to bribe public officials.
Beyond those nine jeopardized GOP seats, four other Republicans have been tainted by the Foley page scandal. Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (N.Y.) chose to issue a public apology after he admitted that he had known about inappropriate contact between Foley and a former page this spring. Democrats have repeatedly hit Rep. Deborah Pryce (Ohio), the House Republican Conference chairman, for inaction on the Foley matter. And Democrats have tried to hold two former members of the Page Board, Reps. Sue W. Kelly (N.Y.) and Heather A. Wilson (N.M.), accountable for Foley’s actions.
Meanwhile, new allegations continue to spring up. Vern Buchanan, a Republican running for the Florida seat vacated by Rep. Katherine Harris (R), was the target of local media reports this week detailing his use of business entities in Caribbean tax havens to reduce levies on his auto dealerships. The Albany Times Union published an article yesterday charging that the wife of Rep. John E. Sweeney (R-N.Y.) called police late last year to report that her husband was “knocking her around” during a late-night argument.
And Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), who made his name pushing campaign finance changes and governance reforms, was confronted with media reports alleging that a 2003 trip to Qatar — partly funded by a group loosely tied to Abramoff — had not been properly disclosed.
“The corruption issue plays in two ways: It contributes to the sour mood of the country and to the low job approval of Congress, and it particularly plays in races directly touched by allegations of scandal,” said Republican pollster Whit Ayers. “And in those races, it plays a significant role.”
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This video, amongst other things, is art.
Apparently, some people are really threatened by art. For example, the local right-wing news aggregator Orbusmax was kind enough to give this post the following headline link:
I CAN’T BELIEVE 710 KIRO GIVES THIS FRINGE BLOGGER HIS OWN RADIO SHOW. IF YOU NEED ONE MORE REASON TO KEEP LUNATIC DEMOCRATS OUT OF POWER WHEN YOU VOTE NEXT WEEK, HERE IT IS (WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE). WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP.
Hmm. I post a provocative (and amusing) video clip to an open thread, without comment, and that makes me a lunatic, fringe blogger.
Exactly what is it about this video that so frightens you guys, that you think it should be suppressed?
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51 artistdogboy
“ Is the kid that percousious or being heavily directed by some misguided adult?”
Um, she’s an actor delivering lines from a script.
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49 CF
“ I just don’t think using a child to say things that her parents or whomever made this “film” want to espouse is an appropriate way to communicate a disagreement with another person’s views.”
Your opinion is noted. Why don’t you tell us again? And again.
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DOn Joe
“Actress or not, using a child to as a propoganda tool is wrong. ”
Your opinion is noted. Don’t try to make it mine.
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Goldy,
Don’t you understand? Having a child call Bill-O an idiot is an affront to their conservative sensibilities. The fact that Bill-O happens to be an idiot isn’t.
By the way, where are my props for the link to the Sadr City seige
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Hmm. I post a provocative (and amusing) video clip to an open thread, without comment, and that makes me a lunatic, fringe blogger. Commentby Goldy— 11/2/06@ 12:12 pm
glopstien thinks he’s Kerry… pulls an asshole move then blames to ‘common folk’ who call him on it.
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206-726-7000
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Tom (John) Glendenning… leave a message.
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What a friggin idiot ! Her parents (Goldstein ?)were obviously feeding her this garbage to spew out, which is all leftwing secular regressive propaganda and you put it on this blog to appeal to the morons. Are you trying to outdo John Kerry’s gafe ?
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ProudAss @62,
That’s Tom Clendening, he’s the program director at both KIRO and KTTH, and if you’re gonna call and demand that I be fired, I suggest that you at least get his name right.
So please feel free to give him a call. A talk radio host who generates controversy? Oh gee, that’s gonna hurt my career.
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Commentby Daddy Love— 11/2/06@ 12:15 pm
“Your opinion is noted. Why don’t you tell us again? And again.”
I’ll refrain, I don’t want to be like Roger Rabbit. I apologize if I offended your delicate sensibilities.
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Sad, very sad, but on the other hand, telling.
Goldy at 55: No, I don’t think this clip should be surpressed. That’s what makes the US great…free speech and the freedom to voice your opinion. One can do this without insulting or threatening people, or being threatened.
But this clip also shows where certain people stand. Show this video to any independent or reasonable democrat and tell them: “This is what the democrats or progressive/liberals stand for” and I guarantee you, the democrats will never be in power.
And fortunately, the people on this board are not the mainstream democrats. And I hope there are still some around.
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I am a Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a hypocrit and family man. I proclaim self righteousness. I am bigger than God, but an asshole. Hail Hitler!
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Well hell, I am suitabley impressed by the immense level worldy experience. I say God damn, this well experienced “lady” just popped right out of da grass possessin’ all that nuance and shit, wit’ nary requirement for parentage other than some magnificient stage of evilution and random act of celluar mitosis. Well mutherphuck me runnin’ it seems all of us aged passed 14 should be charged with grand theft for all the oxygen we have been stealin’ from such a bundle of wisdom. All of those human trash heaps that make them thar bundles of Oprah lovers go to Church (or take out the trash, or do homework…)should be lined up at the trains bound for euthenasia camps…
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Agreed. Now let’s finally drop our support of Israel. That would take care of 99% of our problems.
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I thought the costume looked like a cross between a 1920’s flapper and greta garbo myself; if you think that makes her look like a whore, take it up with Grandma.
As far as exploition goes, the young lady hasn’t shared with us whether or not she was forced to make that video or if she wanted to so she could express her views. Until she does, calling it expoitation is just an excuse to keep from thinking about the message.
My personal feeling is that she would probably kneecap someone who tried to make her do something against her convictions, but thats just me.
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Funny thing happened on the way to hell…
Her convictions? Shhhheeeeiiiit, likely this “lady” hasn’t even experienced menstural cramps let alone have the experience to possess convictions. But thats just the issue isn’t it, the use of a child to reflect a childish attitude? Nothing from this display could lead reasonable people to any reasonable thoughts about “the message.” The only thing I see here is an attempt to mask lefist intolerance by exploiting a youthful non-white face. That is the only message here. Of course if a “God damn Christian” would go medieval on someones’s ass(es)much as the little darling intimates, then we would have a crisis intolerance now wouldn’t we?
Interested though, to know if either the the characture in the video or any of her living relatives have really seen what “medieval” can really be? Just remember, stay out of the orange jumpsuit when asked to appear on Al Jazeera…
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I’ll shift this over to the open thread:
Fox News (sic) continues to lose viewers; Countdown up huge.
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The big reason for I933 is the far overreaching CAO which is stealing land without an compensation whatsoever. That is why I and my neighbors are voting for I933.
Pull the CAO and we’ll Pull I933.
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http://tender.lydo.org >tender jkr malaysia
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Please post your address so I can buy investment property next to you. Please check the box below to indicate which type of development you prefer to live next door to.
[ ] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
[ ] 2. Bumper chroming factory
[ ] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
[ ] 4. Wrecking yard
[ ] 5. Dynamite factoryThank you for supporting Initiative 933. Roger Rabbit Toxic Enterprises, JPSP.*
* Judgment Proof Sole Proprietorship
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#1 Loving it! Guess the GOP didn’t reckon on “Hate Fatigue”
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I wonder how many military ballots will be thrown out by liberal voting districts this year? It will probably be more than the usual 25% they throw out. Democrats cheat.
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Doesn’t BROADVIEW need a STRIP CLUB???(with a name like that, Ya think?)
How ’bout Medina! Clyde Hill!
I’ll call Frank, Jr. and we’ll get right ON that!!!!!
Hooo Boy…THIS is gonna be FUN!!!!
Look out BroadMOOR and Mad. Park! Don’t wanna forget YOU!
DownTOWN Redmond is a LITTLE DULL, doncha know.
York, York…we’re cummin’ after ya!
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Considering that military is pissed off at the Whitehouse for leaving them out in the cold, the red districts are the one to watch for that. But then, Reds have long been the ones losing people’s votes.
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That worthless cum-drunk cunt Laura Bush joined LimpDick Limbaugh today in making fun of Michael J Fox. Man these people have no shame – no morals – no value.
I hope with all my heart that the Bush Twins come down with the same illeness and then shake themselves to death in front of Laura so she can remember the bad Karma she bought by attacking a guy who’s only crime is he wants to find a cure for his illness.
What shameless, worthless crap these right wing cowards have for brains. God I hate them all.
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It all makes sense now. Thank you senator kerry.
JFK says military people are stoopid.
Roger Rabbit was in the military.
Therefore Roger Rabbit is stoopid.
And that’s why RR is a librul.
Thank you senator kerry. Thank you roger rabbit.
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Yes a Great Big thank you to Senator Kerry for opening his flap trap again.
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And Oh I’d rather live next to all of the below:
[X] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
[X] 2. Bumper chroming factory
[X] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
[X] 4. Wrecking yard
[X] 5. Dynamite factoryThan a Government Pensioned Attorney!
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Anyone else tired of the tit for tat? If your not your dumber than a rock. Bush wants an apology from one of 300 million people in this country for saying a stupid ass comment – all for political gain. Has he forgot about Mark Foley (as his daddy would say “not going to go there”)and his escapades, doesn’t Bush owe us an apology for how his government is being run, where does the buck stop…..That’s why this country is so great, every fucking moron can say something, and thats exactly what we got – 300 fucking million morons. You did this, he did that – Fucking Grow up and own up to your own responsibilities for once. Hail Hitler.
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Hey this interactive thing is pretty fun. You can mess around with your own predictions as to how the Senate, the House and the Governorships will end up. Check it out.
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John FUcking Kerry – Poster child for what pisses people off about current day socialist democrats.
He just can’t quite conceal his contempt for ordinary people can he? No wonder he’s so popular here… an arrogant elitist asshole jerk of the first order.
All you guys supported him last time. Now what do you think of your boy?
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Hey Rabbit – Are you going to demand an apology from Kerry? Or are you a dumfuck like he says?
I’d really like to know…
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Roger my spelling might be poor but your comprehension is even as bad or worst. Now read what the Al Qaida supporter really said and he was also supporting the NVA during the Viet Nam Era. They hanged pictures of him in their command post in North Viet Nam and I’m not surprised that Osama bin Laudin has one signed and hanging in his cave. Yep he is still anger over the Swift-Boat crew torpedoing this election chances last time around. Just Like you Thumper still angry after the War end many years ago.
http://www.slate.com/id/2152650/
Military Intelligence
By Christopher Beam
Posted Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2006, at 6:10 PM ET
Bloggers get heated over Sen. John Kerry’s remarks about the military. They also theorize about a recent madrasah bombing in Pakistan and laugh at Fox’s premature announcement of Studio 60’s demise.
Military intelligence: During a speech endorsing California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides at Pasadena City College yesterday, Sen. John Kerry encouraged students to work hard in school lest they “get stuck in Iraq.” White House press secretary Tony Snow called Kerry’s remarks “an absolute insult,” and Sen. John McCain said the former presidential candidate “owes an apology” to U.S. troops. Conservative bloggers go to town.
Neddy at the conservative Kerfuffles translates Kerry’s comments thusly: “Because you were lazy and dumb in school, you are now in Iraq. Oh, by the way, ‘thank you for your service’ and ‘we support the troops.’ Vote for us at the polls so we can bring you home.” -
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Mark, you fucking Redneck, go park your trailer somewhere else!
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It’s more fun to argue when you ignore actual content. It is clear if you read his entire remarks Kerry was talking about Bush being stuck in Iraq, not the uniformed troops. Granted not spoken most articulately, but the intent was clear.
But you silly fools have much more fun with comments out of context.
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You know the difference between Jany Fonda and George Bush?
Fonda wasn’t afraid to go to Viet Nam!
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Roger what you are saying is that a Socialist Democrat is above the law and allowed to violate any law as long as it justifies the means. Rep. Jimmy McDermott can do whatever he wants but it’s not OK for a Republican or Libertarian party member to commit the same sin. Yep right out of the Church of Liberalism play book and its ok for the Socialist Democrats to be a NIMBY. Now Roger who pays the price for these bad decisions? You bet the Taxpaying public and the Socialist Democrats continually run this State and Nation into the ground. Yahoo Roger and his friends can violate any law, get away it, and you John P public will pay their fines.
http://www.theolympian.com/377/story/48327.html
Appeals court hears McDermott taped-call disputeBy MATTHEW DALY, The Associated Press
WASHINGTON – A lawyer for Rep. Jim McDermott told a federal appeals court Tuesday that McDermott should not be punished for turning over an illegally taped telephone call to reporters a decade ago.Lawyers for 18 news organizations — including ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, The Associated Press, The New York Times and The Washington Post — have filed a brief backing McDermott, who gave reporters access to a recording of a 1996 call involving then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled against McDermott in March. The 2-1 opinion upheld a lower court ruling that McDermott had violated the rights of Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, who was heard on the 1996 call. Boehner was then a Gingrich lieutenant and is now House majority leader.
The full nine-member appeals court vacated the ruling this spring and heard new arguments in the case on Tuesday. A ruling is expected next year.
Boehner’s lawyer, Michael Carvin, told the court that McDermott’s actions were clearly illegal. He compared McDermott to a “fence” who received stolen goods and then sold them. -
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Hey klake – how is Bush doing on running this country into the ground? I think he has reached the center core of the earth. You cheating fuck.
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Spin, spin, spin, John kerry give you moonbat idiots so many opportunities… The gift that keeps on giving.
You will all re-live your self-induced agony next week as you are proven again to just be a bunch of drunken irrelevant fools. Oops, I mean horses’ asses.
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No, Observer, Republicans spin and parrot, Democrats read and think.
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You know the difference between Jany Fonda and George Bush?
Fonda wasn’t afraid to go to Viet Nam!
Comment by RightEqualsStupid— 10/31/06@ 7:09 pm
RightEqualsStupid you are not the sharpest knife in the draw tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did your mommies tell you that Jane Fonda betrayed her country during the Viet Nam War along with John Kerry? Yes sir reeeeee Bob she exposed the messages that POW’s gave her to take home, she gave them to the North Vietnamese, and they paid a dear price for that mistake. You lover boy John Kerry went to Pairs and collaborated with the North Vietnamese delegation on how they could work together to end the War in their favor. Mr. Stupid not everyone got the privilege to go to Viet Nam or any place else during that same time period. Some of the draftees and volunteers were not allowed to go serve their country in a War zone. LBJ bless his soul did not call up the National Guard or allow them to join their fellow countrymen in that conflict. Unlike today the National Guard supports the regular units on the battle field by as much as 48% and in some career fields 80% because of downsizing and restructuring of the military. -
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Poor, silly Klake, babbling again.
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But you silly fools have much more fun with comments out of context.
Commentby K— 10/31/06@ 7:04 pm
Miss K I beg to differ with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m one of those troops you are trying to speak for and I totality disagree with you. John Kerry means what he said right down to the last word and plans not to retract any one part of it. Today the military education is above the National Average and unlike those who served during his tour of duty. We do not take anyone who walks through the door, the standards are much higher. That is one of the reasons why the draft was banned. Plus it was easier to lead people who wanted to make a difference in this world. -
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Bush wants an appology?
That’s rich!I wan’t an appology!
I wan’t an appology from President Bush for leaving both my legs in a pile of burning Black Hawk wreckage just so Republicans could distract voters long enough to deregulate the energy industry, deregulate the telecom and media industry and push through huge tax cuts for their wealthy pals.
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Klake, you can’t write, and obviously you cannot read either. Read the entire statement in context.
And it’s Mr. K to you!
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MTR you’re as stupid as Bush if you don’t recognize that Kerry was talking about Bush, not the troops.
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I want an apology!
I want an apology from Harold and Jenna Welsh for giving the car keys to their drunk daughter Laura 43 years ago so she could go out and blow through a stop sign and kill me!
Where’s my fuckin’ apology!
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John Kerry: U.S. Soldiers Not ‘Smart’
Bush: John Kerry’s Remarks ‘Insulting’
Sen. Kerry: ‘I Apologize to No One’
Sen. John Kerry has sparked outrage by suggesting that U.S. troops in Iraq are uneducated and not “smart.”
At a campaign event for California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides at Pasadena City College on Monday, the Massachusetts Democrat and Vietnam veteran said: “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
Kerry’s troop-bashing remarks belie the truth about the educational level of U.S. troops. According to figures readily available on the Internet, 99.9 percent of the enlisted forces have at least a high school education, 73.3 percent have some college, 16.2 percent have an associate’s degree or equivalent semester hours, and 4.7 have a bachelor’s degree.
What’s more, over 85 percent of field grade officers have advanced degrees – 70.7 percent have master’s degrees, 12.1 percent have professional degrees and 2.5 percent have doctorate degrees.
“Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who’ve given their lives in this,” White House press secretary Tony Snow said regarding Kerry’s remarks.
“This is an absolute insult.”
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McCain: Kerry Should Apologize
Bush: John Kerry’s Remarks ‘Insulting’
Sen. McCain: Kerry Should ApologizeDemocratic U.S. Sen. John Kerry drew election-year fire from fellow Vietnam War veteran Sen. John McCain on Tuesday for saying college students could “get stuck in Iraq” if they do not study hard.
McCain, an Arizona Republican who has had an amicable relationship with Kerry, said Kerry “owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country’s call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education.
“Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.
“They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night.
“Without them, we wouldn’t live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks.” -
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Oil prices recently reached almost $80 a barrel. But those in-the-know knew it would not stay there — and, in fact, a major price correction was in the works.
Saudi Arabia’s oil minister Ali al-Naimi is warning that oil price hikes and global oil demand could soon disappear.
In fact, he is also warning that oil prices could easily “plummet” in the near future.
Ali al-Naimi said prices could plummet if an economic crisis drives industrialized nations to find other sources of energy, citing the 1980s – when oil prices dropped by 80 percent after such nations reduced their dependency on oil and turned to alternative energy sources.
”Global economic growth may not continue at the same good momentum for years to come,” al-Naimi said at the opening of a four-day conference of Arab energy ministers in Amman. ”We should be careful and not take expectations as indisputable, especially the continuation of big demand for oil and its prices remaining at the same level or increasing,” he said.
What Say You Roger? Now we all know you have all the answers.
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As, I said, read the entire statement, not what Tony Snow had to say about it.
Clearly you cannot read. Cut and paste, yes. Read and understand, clearly no.
Enough of my time wasted on klake, the poor silly fool.
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Try some context folks
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“You lover boy John Kerry went to Pairs and collaborated with the North Vietnamese delegation on how they could work together to end the War in their favor.”
Commentby klake— 10/31/06@ 7:37 pmHoly shit! You are amazingly stupid!
It’s their fuckin’ country Klake. THEIR COUNTRY!
Just exactly who’s favor should the war have ended in?
Nixon’s?
Dow Chemical’s?
Mine?
Face it, moron. Ending that piece of shit was in everyone’s favor, and the sooner the better.
Samey, same Iraq.Sure, now go off on some wierd FR driven rant about the numbers of refugees, or dead after Hanoi gained control. But don’t forget to do a thorough job on your research (as if). Don’t forget to compare those numbers to before the U.S. pullout.
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House Race Summary for Oct. 31
The math is easier given one important finding: Not a single Democratic candidate in a district now held by a Democrat is trailing, regardless of the combination of polls examined. So, we will focus below on potential Democratic pickups.
We count 10 seats currently held by a Republican where multiple surveys shows the Democrat with a statistically meaningful lead regardless of what combination of polls we look at: Arizona-08, Colorado-07, Indiana-02, Indiana-08, North Carolina-11, New Hampshire-02, New Mexico-01, Ohio-18, Pennsylvania-07, and Pennsylvania-10.
One seat gets its own category: The one and only poll in the Texas-22 district formerly represented by Rep. Tom Delay shows Democrat Nick Lampson leading. However, a complicated ballot (Republican Shelley Sekula-Gibbs is a write-in candidate) makes this result tenuous.
Seven more Republican seats look to be in statistically meaningful jeopardy, but only when you count the automated Majority Watch surveys (either because they are the only ones done or because they tip the balance, making the Democrat’s lead statistically meaningful): Indiana-09, Iowa-01, New York-24, New York-25, New York-26, New York-29, and Ohio-15.
Three more Democrats would show significant leads if we include the internal surveys released by partisan pollsters: Florida-13, Nebraska-03, and Ohio-01.
Thus, if you trust the Majority Watch surveys and assume a pickup in Texas-22, then Democrats are leading in exactly the 18 seats the need to win a majority. If you trust all polls, then they currently lead in enough districts to win 21 seats.
But even more important: Polls have been conducted in October in another 25 seats where the averages indicate a statistical tossup. Only two of these seats are currently represented by Democrats. How well the Democrats ultimately do depends on how many of these still-too-close-to-call races they ultimately win.
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I want an apology!
I want a public apology from Vice President “Sure-Shot” for fillin’ me so full of bird-shot I almost died. And then making me apologize to him!
Where’s my damn apology?!
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Klake played too much army with his helmet off.
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It’s impossible to insult George Bush enough. I say BRING IT ON!
GOP trails in all polls. We don’t offer an apology to traitors.
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I want an apology!
I want an apology from President Bush for being too cowardly back in ’68 to do his duty proper but instead gettin his pops to pull strings so he could duck into the Air Guard and avoid The Nam. I want an apology from that fuckin’ Cod Piece wearin’ coward for makin’ me go in his place.
Where’s my damn apology?
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Mark the Needle Dicked Welsher @ 15, Kerry would have been a fvck of a lot better than the current POS
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Kerry is a punk.
His story of “making a joke directed at Bush” doesn’t hold water or make sense. Bush went to college, and GOT BETTER GRADES THAN KERRY.
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I want an apology!
I want an apology from Vice-Fascist Cheney for applying for draft deferments five times because he had “more important things to do”, and making me go die in his place.
Where’s my apology?
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Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
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I want an apology.
I want an apology from my mom and dad for only deciding to get pregnant with me so dad could get a 3-A final deferment from the draft.
Where’s my apology?
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Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty
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re 48: Because the Bush administration lied to them about WMD’s. And Congress NEVER did authorize a war. Bush was authorized to go after bin Laden and he was given 90 days to do it. The rest of it has been illegal dictatorial bullshit. You neo-cons are traitorous bastards and I’ll piss on your grave before this is all through.
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These wimpy conservative liars are just too much. Forget about Bush’s grandpappy playing footsies with the real nazies during WWII, forget about the alchoholic Sen. Joe McCarthy smearing innocent people, forget about the coup in Iran in ’54, forget the hauty mendacity of John Foster Dulles, forget about the millions killed by US bombs in Viet Nam as Nixon unleashed his “secret plan” to end the war, forget about Kissinger selling out the democratically elected government in Chile, forget Watergate, forget about Reagan trading with Khommeni to get elected in ’80, forget Iran-Contra and Salvadorean right wing death squads, forget the bumbling ineptitude of the Bush administration prior to 9\11 and it’s incredibly tragic “war on terror” since that day.
Yes, yes, yes, forget all this because John Kerry stepped on his well trodden tongue.
Well, this is one voter who will never forget. It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a repbulican, very cold indeed.
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Klake – don’t be an idiot. The reason gas prices are down has nothing to do with the invisible hand or OPEC or what some fucking raghead oil minister has to say.
Don’t you remember last summer when the 99th most influential senator from the great Feminist Utopia of Warshington was threatening hearings about “gouging”. Big Oil saw what she was doing and said “holy shit, we better drop prices RIGHT FUCKING NOW”. And they did.
Problem solved. Right?
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kkk@ 50, I don’t know. Could it have been bush the bitch, cheney the coward and pumsfield the rats lies that convincedhim and the rest of the US to attack the wrong country?
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re 48: On what day was war declared and who voted for it? Answer me that. That fishy smell is your upper lip.
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re 53: Read your stuff out loud to yourself and you will realize why you are headed for the dustbin of history.
It’s crazy and it’s mean. It’s not “manly”. It’s just some wuss pissing in the wind — and that wuss is you.
Wipe that PUSS off your face this instant! The fishy smell is on your upper lip.
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Somethin’ smells FISHY around here! And I think it’s on those neo-cons’ upper lip!
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Remember this classic from the Correspondent’s dinner in 2004?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3570845.stm
One pictured Mr. Bush looking under a piece of furniture in the Oval Office, at which the president remarked: “Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere.”
After another one, showing him scouring the corner of a room, Mr. Bush said: “No, no weapons over there,” he said.
And as a third picture, this time showing him leaning over, appeared on the screen the president was heard to say: “Maybe under here?”
Now exactly who is supposed to apologize?
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Just think, we have Hannity and Limbaugh spinning and lying as fast as they can, and we are still getting our asses licked (and stop fantasizing JCH) [hehe]. First we tried attacking Michael J. Fox, and that didn’t work. Now we are stuck with John Kerry, but that isn’t working. If only we could get pictures of Jimmy Carter having sex with a fourteen year old boy (I told you JCH). Maybe then we would have a chance.[he he]
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KKKlake at 48:
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
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The Republican spin machine is no longer the only game in town:
Fox News and CNN were mostly down in October primetime, compared to the same month a year ago. But MSNBC was mostly up, with Hardball enjoying a 27 percent gain in the demo and Scarborough Country recording a 13 percent increase. Countdown with Keith Olbermann beat CNN’s Paula Zahn in the demo again, and came within 2,000 viewers of beating her in total viewers. Olbermann was up 61 percent in the demo versus last year.
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Still looks bad for the righties! http://www.electoral-vote.com/ projects a 51-49 Republican Senate, but a 230-203 Democratic House — with no pickups in WA. GOP could end up under 200.
INVESTIGATIONS! SUBPOENAS! TRIALS! ORANGE JUMPSUITS! HAPPY HALLOWEEN TRAITORS!
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Ghost to Ghost is just starting on kvi 570 am
It is the best ghost show on radio or tv. It is a true clasic .
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Happy Holloween
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Roger Rabbit is stoopid. Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/31/06@ 6:13 pm
Yeah, but I’m only a fucking rabbit. What’s your excuse?
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I have a better idea:
[X] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
[X] 2. Bumper chroming factory
[X] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
[X] 4. Wrecking yard
[X] 5. Dynamite factory
[X] 6. Government Pensioned AttorneyIf you read I-933’s fine print you’ll notice there’s no exception for item (6).
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“Anyone else tired of the tit for tat?” Commentby Heathen Sinner— 10/31/06@ 6:22 pm
Not really. I could kick wingnut butts until I die and never get bored! It’s better than sex.
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” … an arrogant elitist asshole jerk of the first order. All you guys supported him last time. Now what do you think of your boy?” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/31/06@ 6:57 pm
True, but I still like our an arrogant elitist asshole jerk better than your arrogant elitist asshole jerk.
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Flaky klaky @22
“Roger what you are saying is that a Socialist Democrat is above the law and allowed to violate any law as long as it justifies the means. Rep. Jimmy McDermott can do whatever he wants …”
Nope, all I said was there’s no judgment against McDermott and there won’t be a ruling until next year, and meanwhile there’s no news to report on this case except arcane legal arguments.
Needless to say, it’s a waste of time to try explaining arcane legal arguments to a wingnut who can’t even spell “to.”
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AMERICA NEEDS A $2.13 MINIMUM WAGE
That’s right, Roger Rabbit supports federal legislation authorizing a $2.13-an-hour minimum wage in certain circumstances. What’s more, I think this law should pre-empt state law, where it applies. The law shall provide as follows:
“Unpatriotic, America-hating, traitor organizations such as the BIAW are hereby authorized to employ people to post on popular political blogs; and may pay any such employee who can’t spell ‘to’ $2.13 an hour, notwithstanding any other federal or state law. This pay rate should not employ to anyone who does honest work for a living.”
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And that’s being generous because you aren’t worth even $2.13 an hour, klake. In fact, you’re not worth jackshit.
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erratum
“apply” not “employ”
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I read Fortune (and other business publications) too, klake. I’m going to sell my oil stocks soon. A price crash is coming, some say to $20 – $30 bbl.
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klake’s comment is part and parcel of the horseshit the right has spewed about Kerry. According to them, Kerry lost the war all by himself. Next they’re gonna say Kerry was a North Vietnamese general. They’ve already doctored photos and falsely claimed he had an affair with an intern. Bunch of fucking liars. We oughta swiftboat all of ’em — with a fifty.
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I used to fire fifties. They’re cool. 750-grain slug goes right through a concrete wall.
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I guess that whole idea of trying to convince people that they’re really better off than they think they are wasn’t working as a political strategy. But you really do have to admire Republicans who are now chasing after ambiguous remarks from a Junior Senator from Massachusetts who isn’t even up for election all the while keeping Iraq in the forefront of voter’s minds.
Of course, why would I expect any better? One of these guys still doesn’t understand the basic concept of a fraction (all the while welching on his bet), and the other actually believes that terrorists will take over Iraq if our troops should come back home.
These guys are so bright, that, if they were night lights, we’d all have broken toes.
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I was feeling so upbeat & confident.
Then John Kerry takes the wind out of my sails.
I cannot believe it.
Talk about the ultimate soundbite for the Bushy’s!
John Kerry is a nincompoop.
Then he makes it even worse by making up some farfetched excuse for his silly comment.
Kerry makes it hard to be a Democrat.
If we don’t take control of Congress…the blame falls right on Kerry’s shoulders….and his Presidential aspirations are toast.
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Considering that military is pissed off at the Whitehouse for leaving them out in the cold, the red districts are the one to watch for that. But then, Reds have long been the ones losing people’s votes.
Commentby Michael Caine— 10/31/06@ 5:47 pm
At 9 to 1 for Republican the blue districts have the most to gain by not counting military ballots which unfortunately is a common practice. Every republican should be giving John Kerry a pat on the back. hehehe
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Kerry mispoke. He tried to make a joke about Shrubya and blew it.
Mispoke like Darth Cheney about Saddam’s “reconstituted nuclear weapons”.
Or does Cheney still believe that? Do the wingnuts still believe that?
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Here here Clueless. I “mis-wrote” a story and it cost me my career. Why people take us so seriusly is beyond me. Courage clueless, courage.
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Darcy Burner is toast! Anyone of you leftwing nutroots wanna take odds on how bad she will lose? Not even Ron Simms “hidden ballot” bridgade can save Darcy or is it Marcy ( As Obama put it)?
Ain’t enough vote fraud in the world to save that broad!
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Traitor Kerry was just showing his true colors. Once a traitor always a traitor.
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LAWYERS CLAIM PADILLA DRUGGED, TORTURED
“WASHINGTON (Nov. 1) – Attorneys for Jose Padilla make some explosive new allegations in recent court filings, claiming the so-called ‘dirty bomber’ was tortured and given psychedelic drugs — such as PCP and LSD — while the U.S. military held him as an enemy combatant.”
This story is quoted under the Fair Use doctrine; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://articles.news.aol.com/n.....2309990001
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Jose Padilla may not be Mother Teresa, but remember, he’s a U.S. citizen with constitutional rights who hasn’t been convicted of anything. That makes him innocent until proven guilty.
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And these guys wonder why we call them “Nazis.” Because they behave like Nazis. Du-uh.
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Lies2006 at 88:
Yeah, damn those traitors who get three purple hearts surving their country.
I would hate to see what you think about someone like Dick Cheney that had “better things to do” than serve his country in Viet Nam.
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correction: serving, not surving. I apparently can not type this late at night.
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Sean Hannity is an outspoken right-wing conservative political pundit on Fox News and the author of two books. The Eastern Lowland Gorilla is a subspecies of G. beringei that can be found in the forests of eastern Africa. Can you pick out the differences?
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Darcy Burner…a botched joke.
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Remember, John Kerry supports Cantvoewell and Cantvotewell supports Kerry (she asked him to come pollute our airways so she must support his views) who feels our military guys are less than smart or educated.
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6 RUFUS
Republicans whine.
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Commentby Chuck— 11/1/06@ 5:54 am
You are either not paying attention, don’t care about the truth, or are just plain stupid.
Kerry wasn’t referencing “our military guys” (nor our gals), he was referencing dubya, the. worst. president. ever.
My guess is the second, you don’t care about the truth. That would be consistent with the rest of the right wing soon-to-be-former power brokers that current hold sway (for six more days).
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If you don’t like what John Kerry said, don’t vote for him.
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35 klake
2 comments:
1. Yeah, oil isn’t $80 a barrel anymore. It’s $60 a barrel. Fantastic, huh?
2. So if we have a global recession, demand for oil will drop. I’m looking forward to that!
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Bush should apologize for 25,000 needless American casualties and 655,000 dead Iraqis — all to enrich himself and his cronies. We’re not going to go off message to respond to your BS.
Your use of a slip of the tongue to dun a real American hero is the crime here. What pigs you are!
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Military Fatalities: By Month
Period October 2006
US 104Third highest monthly death toll, but this time with no major operations. Baghdad is averaging a new low of 2.4 hours of electricity a day, and they blame Americans. Insurgents are carrying American-mde weapons. Families are still having bake sales to buy body armor for their loved ones.
But John Kerry doesn’t support the troops. Riiiight.
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Remember the soldier kidnapped in Baghdad who was the reason we conducted house-to-house searches and set up checkpoints? Now, on the order of Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki, the US has ended the five day old military blockade of the Sadr City section of Baghdad. It sounds a lot like on Maliki’s say-so we’ve essentially called off the search.
So what’s happening? The essential fact is clear. In a showdown for control of Baghdad, the Iraqi prime minister took orders from Moqtada al-Sadr, and instructed the U.S. military to withdraw from Sadr City. The American forces were trying both to stabilize the city but also to find a missing American serviceman. He is still missing. The U.S. military does not have a tradition of abandoning its own soldiers to foreign militias, or of taking orders from foreign governments.
How does Bush rationalize abandoning him to the enemy? Who is really giving the orders to the U.S. military in Iraq?
And you wonder why we need change?
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If someone makes a joke about your stupidity and you’re too stupid to recognize the joke is about you, you’ve just confirmed the basis of the joke.
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Breaking News:
Ford asks Kerry to apologize
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View All Top JobsBy Andy Sher
Nashville BureauMEMPHIS — Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr. issued a statement this morning calling on U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., to apologize for comments that Republicans including President Bush contend disparage U.S. troops in Iraq.
“Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said,” Rep. Ford said. “He needs to apologize to our troops.”
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I am calling on the Bush Regime to make an apology for:
1) Telling us at least three different lies about why we went to war in Iraq.
2) For outing a CIA agent in an attempt to cover up their lie about the war in Iraq.
3) For getting 3000 of our young men and women killed in the quagmire of Iraq.
4) For spending trillions of dollars that we don’t have on the failed war in Iraq.
5) For destroying any good will we might have had in the international community while fighting a fake war in Iraq.
6) For giving hundreds of millions of tax dollars to Bush pals in no-big contracts to rebuild Iraq after we spend hundreds of millions of tax dollars to destroy it.
7) For destroying our Constitution under the guise that the Bush regime will somehow protect us while at the same time eliminating our civil and Constitutional rights.
8) For creating a law (The Patriot Act) that forces librarians to spy on normal Americans because of the books they read.
9) For creating one country (Iraq) that’s stuck in a civil war and another (USA) that’s on the verge of one.Where’s the “I’m Sorry” that matters Mr. Decider?
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Marines … 3.7% with collige degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.enuff said.
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Wednesday, Nov. 1, 2006 11:21 a.m. EST
Ford, Tester, Cardin Want Kerry Apology
A few Democratic candidates joined Republicans Wednesday in pressing John Kerry to apologize for a comment critics said appeared disrespectful of U.S. troops as several Kerry campaign appearances were canceled.
“Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said,” said Democratic Rep. Harold Ford Jr., running for Senate in Tennessee.
“Sen. Kerry’s remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid,” said Montana Senate President Jon Tester, a Democrat trying to unseat GOP Sen. Conrad Burns. “He owes our troops and their families an apology.”
“I’m sorry he did what he did. But I think the issue . . . we want to make sure it doesn’t confuse the subject of the war in Iraq,” Democratic Rep. Ben Cardin, running for Senate in Maryland, said on CNN. -
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“Marines … 3.7% with collige degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.”Commentby Steve Schwartz [Mr. Schwartzstein, ALL military, and military Marine officers: 100% have “collige” degrees. Looks like John Kerry and Steve Schwartzbergloeb have a lot in commom. JCH [LT, USN, 77-84]]
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Wait a gol’ Darn minute! Isn’t what Kerry said (and I copy and paste from above)
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” ?
Why do we assume this is an insult to the military? He’s obviously talking about the electorate.
We didn’t do our homework. Twice. Now we’re stuck in Iraq.
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Pick out the one that is different than the others: 1. Daddy Love 2. GBS 3. JDB 4. Americans who love their country
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Right Wing Math:
Kerry bungled a joke = Bush bungled a war. (Amongst other things)
Kerry’s tours in Viet Nam = Bush “serving” in Alabama.
Yep, Even Steven!
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Well, we may be seeing the “October surprise” that everyone expected. Unfortunately (for the Republicans) it’s pretty lame. Even Mr. Rove needs to have something to start with in order to work the big spin machine. Let’s see, they’re trying to call Mr. Webb a “pornographer” and misconstruing some comments by Mr. Kerry. It’s hard to imagine that Mr. Rove can’t do better than that, but we are in the last week prior to elections.
I guess they’re counting on Diebold to pull this election out of the fire for them. Either that, or they’re looking out at the economic horizon and have decided to hand the upcoming can of worms over to the Democrats, then try to blame us for the mess in 2008.
Mr. Kerry made a statement that could be considered insulting to our troops. I doubt that he meant it to be, but he should apologize anyway. That will make it even harder for Mr. Rove and his bunch to work it.
Oh, and just to update Roger’s post from yesterday, http://www.electoral-vote.com/ has slightly updated figures.
Unfortunately, WA-08 has gone back into the Republican column, but overall, the latest poll numbers give a 50-50 split in the Senate, and the projected House numbers are:
239 Democrats, 195 Republicans, and 1 so close even these folks won’t call it. (This outfit counts all “leaners” no matter how slight, so let’s not break out the bubbly just yet.)
Now, if we can manage to bring WA-08 back to the “D” column, and maybe even swing WA-05, we could really celebrate.
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Pick out the Republican voter: 1. “guvment” union hack 2. welfare hack 3. Moooooooooooslim terrorist 4. private sector taxpayer
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“Marines … 3.7% with collige degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.”Commentby Steve Schwartz [Mr. Schwartzstein, ALL military, and military Marine officers: 100% have “collige” degrees. Looks like John Kerry and Steve Schwartzbergloeb have a lot in commom. JCH [LT, USN, 77-84]]
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JCH says he love his country, he just hates any American that disagrees with him.
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I really don’t think John Kerry owes an apology for anything. He is the smartest man I know, besides my best buddy, Ron Dotzauer. And he is really rich! He married an heiress. I guess I should have tried to do the same thing, instead of getting involved with this deadbeat who needed my money to pay off his child support payments.
But Kerry was trying to insult the President, the guy who isn’t as smart as Kerry, he wasn’t trying to insult the troops! He just got his words wrong. He does that a lot. Like when he accused the troops of terrorizing women and children in Iraq. He claimed that was a job for the Iraqis!
Oh, got to go. Harry Reid is calling to tell me what to do next . . .
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Steve Schwartz, Your military service? Yeah, I though so………About the same a Bill Clinton’s and Goldysteins’……….
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Mooooooooooooooooooooooslim terrorists for Democrats!!!!! Communists for Democrats!!! “Guvment” union hacks for Democrats!!! Felons for Democrats!!!! Jesse “Shakedown” Jacksooooon for Democrats!!! Tookie “9 inch” Williams for Democrats!!!
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“Marines … 3.7% with “collige” degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.”Commentby Steve Schwartz [Mr. Schwartzstein, ALL military, and military Marine officers: 100% have “collige” degrees. Looks like John “Fing” Kerry and Steve Schwartzbergloeb have a lot in common. Steve, are you a lawyer with Silverstein, Loeb, Lowenstein, Stein, and Rosenberg, ESQ?]
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I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers.
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COUNT EVERY [MILITARY] VOTE!!!!! Sorry, Dems, illegal aliens and felons may not vote!!!!!!!!!!! [Hey Illegals!!! Border Patrol and the Minute Men will be at EVERY poll to deport you back to Mexico!!!!!]
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I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers.
Commentby RightEqualsStupid [……Er, like Barney Frank and Gary Studds?]
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JCH says he love his country, he just hates any American that disagrees with him.
Commentby Robert [Robert, Do you miss “Tookie” Williams as much as he misses you?]
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“you know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.”
Kerry wasn’t laughing – his audience wasn’t laughing – where is the joke?
Since his “campaigning” tour is now cancelled and he’s on his way home, it looks like the Democratic leadership isn’t laughing either. If the Democrats fail to take the house and the Senate, many Democrats will blame Kerry.
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Check out the list of the most dangerous cities in the USA. 100% Democrat!! Not a Republican within miles!!! All gang, crime, and drug infested Democrat Hillary Village Shit Holes!!! And all vote 115% Democrat!! [Atlas has Shrugged]
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sgmmac,
I know Limbaugh and Fox New’s talking heads won’t show it to you, but the group DOES laugh after Kerry screws up the joke. But it would be inconvenient to show the entire clip – that would screw up your hissy fit.
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So a candidate who isn’t even running in this election (Kerry) cancelled two events. BFD. How about the dozens of GOP Candidates that don’t want the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, or the Speaker of the House to show up anywhere in their STATE? How about the GOP Candidates who hide the name “Republican” or “GOP” on their websites or their signs?
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Check out the list of the most dangerous cities in the USA. 100% Democrat!! Not a Republican within miles!!! All gang, crime, and drug infested Democrat Hillary Village Shit Holes!!! And all vote 115% Democrat!! [Atlas has Shrugged]
Commentby JCH [Pennsylvania]— 11/1/06@ 9:17 am
Hahaha! Yeah, you got that right… It’s a pretty easy observation though. Liberals equal crime. Too easy.
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It’s NO FUCKING JOKE.
What a goddamn stupid idea [the invasion and occupation of Iraq] was, and is. The 107 rationales offered to support it were all utterly demented, either because they were immoral, unachievable in any real universe, based on fever dreams, or all of these together. The administration decided to pretend that the irrational was rational, and the Wise pundits nodded sagely, and the nation’s foreign policy was duly and with great pomp & solemnity flushed straight into the shitter under a banner reading “Mission Accomplished.” And we’re supposed to pretend that this was all just some “oopsie,” that the willing propagandists of this debacle were and are just doing the equivalent of debating the relative merits of differing proposals for the motherfucking capital gains tax? People are fucking dead. A lot of people.
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It’s also no joke that ,a href=”http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/”>the military has had to lower its standards to allow lower achieving students and more recruits with criminal records to meet its recruiting goals. Because of Iraq.
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Mooooooooooooooooooooooslims and liberal Democrats: America’s enemies!!!!
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John Kerry is just a wonderful man who wasn’t here to campaign for me. Oh, wait. Is that a good thing? I don’t know. Let me ask Dame Pelosi (as she prefers to be called).
I have lots of military experience, so I know what Kerry is talking about. Well, I never served myself, but I regularly sleep with a veteran, and I was born of a veteran. And I use my active-duty brother in my campaign. Wait, he disagrees with me. Never mind.
I also really liked that mailer the State party put together for me. That copyrighted picture of the soldier carrying the child – what a coup that they got permission for that! Wait, you mean they didn’t have permission? What idiot published an unauthorized picture in a flyer for me?
Never mind. Off to my next endeavor. Maybe today I will take up fly fishing! Wait, I’m still campaigning. Focus, focus. Just 6 more days, then I can go off on my next tangent.
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Daddy Love, All militay officers are college grads. All Democrats are “Jane Fonda” traitors.
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John Kerry apologizes:
“I said it was a botched joke. Of course, I’m sorry about a botched joke,” Kerry, who had refused to apologize on Tuesday, said on the “Imus in the Morning” radio show on MSNBC.
Will that be the end of it? OF COURSE NOT!
Republicans can’t run on their record, so they want to talk about ANYTHING but their record. Because of Iraq.
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Dumbass award goes to;
#121Wait a gol’ Darn minute! Isn’t what Kerry said (and I copy and paste from above)
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” ?
Why do we assume this is an insult to the military? He’s obviously talking about the electorate.
We didn’t do our homework. Twice. Now we’re stuck in Iraq.
Commentby Poster Child— 11/1/06@ 8:55 am
If Kerry the Ferry was talking about the “electorate”, you dumbass, then WHY DIDN’T HE SAY THAT?
You dumbass.
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We have 11,000 lawyers standing by in case you traitors on the right try your usual hijinks at the polls.
Commentby RightEqualsStupid […………………………………….WE have 10,000 Border Patrol and MinuteMen standing by to deport illegal Democrat voters back to Mexico!!!!! Hey Democrat!!! Felons and illegals MAY NOT VOTE!!!!!!!!! Where’s your PITURE ID???????]
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145 JCH
“ All militay officers are college grads.”
If true (and you offer no support), so what? Who said they weren’t? The military lowered its stanrards to meet recuitment goals. All they want is fresh meat for Iraq anyway. How educated do they have to be?“ All Democrats are “Jane Fonda” traitors.”
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Thank you, John “Marry The Rich Bitch” Kerry!!!! [Remember the Kerrys pay Federal taxes are the 12% MTR!!!! Hehe, JCH Kennedy, ESQ]
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129.
Weren’t you caught red-handed, repeatedly lying about your military service? It’s all archived right here at HA.So you fabricate a personal history of military service and then use it to bludgeon anyone who disagrees with you.
That makes Rove and Cheney look like blood stained war heroes.
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All Democrats are “Jane Fonda” traitors!!!!!!
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“lowered its stanrards”
Commentby Daddy Love [Daddy Love, “stanrards”????? Classic dumb ass liberal commie lib Democrat]
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Robert,
There’s no hissy fit here. I’ve known for a long time what Kerry thinks of the military. He just reinforced it the other day with his remarks.
As for the spin that it was a joke about Bush. There’s no joke there and furthermore, Bush’s GPA in college was higher than Kerry’s! Neither were brilliant in school and if they got those grades studying hard, I’m scared of both of them.
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Daddy Love @ 149,
“If true (and you offer no support), so what? Who said they weren’t?”
You have to be a complete ignoramous to not know that!
LOL
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151……Nope. My DD 214 noted otherwise. JCH
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all military officers are NOT college grads………..
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Yeah, a Vietnam veteran who headed a veteran’s organization and is a persistent administration critic was criticizing the troops and not the administration. Uh-huh.
What a ridiculous claim. Gee, it couldn’t have anything to do with the disastrous Republican outlook in next weeks election, now, could it? I mean, Republicans wouldn’t be so craven as to sieze upon a slip of the tongue to unfairly lambaste an opponent solely for public relations, would they?
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145 sgmmac
I guess jaybo just called you a complete ignoramus.
143 jaybo
sgmmac disagrees with you. I haven’t investigated yet. You offer no support either.
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So, JCH and jaybo, it’s “most” but not “all.” Who are the “complete ignoramuses” now? I swear, crack a fucking book sometime. You could learn something if you weren’t so hostile to the concept.
http://www.dod.gov/prhome/popr.....rview.html
24th annual Department of Defense report on social representation in the U.S. Military ServicesGiven that most officers are required to possess at least a baccalaureate college degree upon or soon after commissioning and that a college education is part of the main commissioning sources (i.e., Service academies and ROTC), the academic standing of officers is not surprising. The fact that 92 and 98 percent (excluding those with unknown education credentials) among active duty officer accessions and officer corps, respectively, were degree holders (approximately 12 and 42 percent advanced degrees) is in keeping with policy and the professional status and expectations of officers. Likewise, 85 percent of Reserve Component officer accessions and 90 percent of the total Reserve Component officer corps held at least a B.S. or B.A. degree, with 25 and 32 percent possessing advanced degrees, respectively.
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JCH is a coward who never served a day in the military and who will eventually be prosecuted for pretending to be a vet.
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Poor, silly Klake, babbling again. Commentby K— 10/31/06@ 7:40 pm
Sorry K – Facts hurt the librul mind!
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The Kerry flap is a typical Republican 11th hour scam. It ranks right up there with the Busby quote. I don’t know how careful every frickin’ Democrat in the country would have to be to avoid giving them something that they can quote out of context, blow up from nothing to a major issue, and plaster all over friendly media outlets for days.
If you don’t remember, in the special election to fill convicted Republican felon Randy “Duke Cunningham’s Housae seat, Busby told a Spanish-speaking questioner (who spoke only broken English) that he and others did not need to be registered to vote to help her campaign. She used two phrases in quick succession as she tried to get the concept across to her audience, “registered to vote” and “papers for voting.”
That wqas quickly picked up by the local Republicans and immediately blasted out in the press as “Busby says ‘You don’t need papers to vote,’ encourages illegal imigrants to vote.” Of course, it was no such thing, but try to get the truth out over the Republican Noise Machine. Heck, every true-blue Republican in this comments section will swear on the Bible that Busby was encouraging illegal immigrans to vote, even though it’s a bald-faced lie. They believe it, though (I think).
Literal transcription (it was spoken, not written). Remember, this is her response to a Spanish-speaking questioner who said he wanted to help her campaign but lacked voting papers. The question was translated into English and she responded, “Everybody can help. You can all help. You don’t need papers for voting
you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.” See how it works? Bilbray beat Busby, so the method is vindicated for the GOP. See them go on the Kerry thing. There’s no “there” there, but the noise won’t stop.
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I screwed up the quote:
“Everybody can help. You can all help. You don’t need papers for voting [pause] you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.”
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Daddy,
I don’t know about the other services, but the Army has an OCS (Officer Candidate School) and a college degree isn’t a requirement to get into OCS. When you complete OCS, you are commissioned as an officer. You would be highly encouraged to complete a degree after that and most would if they wanted to stay competitive with their peers.
Warrant Officers in the Army also do not have to have a college degree. Most soldiers to include enlisted go to college at some time in their career. Enlisted soldiers get promotion points and get promoted faster with college……….
As for you saying that they are lowering their standards to meet their goals. Yes, they are. Whenever the Army needs people, they change standards. During the TET offensive in Vietnam they were drafting people who said they were gay. The guys had to PROVE they were gay to get out of going to Vietnam. The Army was also forced to retain at least one of them, because his enlistment paperwork said he was gay and years later they tried unsuccessfully to kick him out for being gay. The Army also changes their medical standards based on their need for soldiers. There were soldiers in my unit before the first Gulf war that were being discharged for overweight and some for misconduct whose discharges were stopped and they were sent to the Gulf, and immediately upon returning the overweight ones were again targeted for discharge.
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JCH at 100:
I know the difference, it’s you. The rest are normal, american loving people, while you like being fucked up the ass for money while calling the person “Tookie.” And then Atlas’ shrugs all over your bare ass. [hehe]
That was easy.
And does anyone still believe that you were in the Navy? I mean, I know you like dressing up when you give blow jobs, but that doesn’t make you a member of our arm forces. I mean, you like young boys, but that doesn’t make you a Republican Congressman.
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Chuck at 94:
Remember, John Kerry supports Cantvoewell and Cantvotewell supports Kerry (she asked him to come pollute our airways so she must support his views) who feels our military guys are less than smart or educated
Remember, Bush supports Mark Foley, and Foley supports mollesting under age boys, which means by your logic that Bush supports mollesting under age boys.
And since you apparenlty support the GOP, you must also support mollesting under age boys.
Why do you hate America so?
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153 sgmmac
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153 sgmmac
The DoD document I quoted (39 Meg download) covers all service branches.
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In the final full month before Election 2006, the number of people identifying themselves as Republicans has fallen to its lowest level since we began reporting this measure of partisan trends in January 2004. As a result, Democrats have their biggest net advantage of the past two campaign cycles.
In October, just 31.5% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s a startling decline of nearly six percentage points from 37.2% two years ago. It’s also down nearly a full point from last month.
Democrats have also lost a little ground since October 2004. Today, 37.7% identify themselves as Democrats, down a point from 38.7% on the eve of Election 2004.
However, Democrats now have a 6.2 percentage point advantage over the GOP, their largest recorded over the past 34 months. In October 2004, the Democrats advantage was a miniscule 1.5 percentage points.
http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....Trends.htm
And that’s from a Republican leaning firm. No wonder it looks so bad for the GOP in November.
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“I hate Republicans.” Howard Dean
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157 stedman
Hat’s not what Dean said. He said
“I hate Republicans and everything they stand for.”Goddamn right. Especially NOW. Because of Iraq.
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James Webb is now ahead of George Allen by more than the margin of error in the latest polls. Way to smack ’em down George! Why don’t you beat up a couple old ladies today? Why lose by only 4 points when you can go for complete, utter, total humiliation!!!
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Because of Iraq:
– Osama bin laden is still a threat
– Our military is spread too thin
– There are more terrorists in the world
– America is less secureSo if you see commercials or hear people telling you to be afraid because of terrorism, just remember: it’s because of Iraq.
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Likely Senate Dem pickups:
MO
VA
NJ
OH
PA
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TN
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Wingers:
Q: What is Bush doing to reduce sectarian violence (or civil war, depending on your PoV) in Iraq?
I mean, we’re over there “fighting insurgents,” but what are we doing to reduce sectarian violence? It looks like the largely Shi’ite Interior Ministry is part of the problem, what is the administration doing about it?
It looks like the insurgent-friendly hands who are everywhere in the police forces and the military (news reports recorded this phenomenon since we started to build those forces) could very well be, and probably are, supplying the insurgency with American-made and American-supplied arms; what is the administration doing about it?
Many top officers are beginning to think that setting a deadline and moving some troops out would cause the iraqis to move toward taking over sooner, so that the process will not take decades. What is the administration doing about it?
“There are cases of people having had electrical drills forced through their skulls and into their brains. Others have had their eyes burnt out. Many had hands bound by tape or handcuffs.” This kind of thing is what feeds the hatred of other sects AND hatred of Americans; what is the administration doing about it?
Just makes me wonder. Stay the course?
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The Air Force is seeking a huge “emergency” budget increase — $50 billion.
Why? Because the Bush administration has no idea what it’s doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The budget process is out of control. They’re going to ram through a huge “emergency” military budget during the lame duck session of Congress in November — before the democrats take over — in order to avoid oversight and scrutiny.
Your tax dollars at work.
“I’m Dave Reichert, and I approved these ’emergency’ military appropriations just before I lost my seat.”
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Did I forget Montana is probably a Democratic Senate pickup too?
Can you say 51-49?
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Attention all 25 million illegal aliens: YOU MAY NOT VOTE!! Border Patrol and the Minutemen will be all EVERY poll to ship you ass back to Mexico!!!
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Attention all FELONS!!! You may not vote!! Parole Officers will be at EVERY poll to “run you” and take away your weapons!!! Sorry, Democrats!!!!
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95% of military votes [and their families] will vote Republican!!! The turnout will be huge, and the illegal and felon Democrayt vote will be stopped!!!! Thanks, John “Fing” Kerry!!!!!!
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JCH,
THE END IS NEAR!! Not the end of the world, but the end of the terrorist control of congress, AND, your posting on HA!
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I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a hypocrit and family man. I don’t like liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. Hail Hitler
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Bush does not supported Foley, now that it is known that he is a bit creepy. The Republican Party accepted his resignation, and he is gone. So the analogy that JDB uses at 153 is just a flat out lie.
But Ted Kennedy thinks that the self-admitted pedophile, Gerry Stubbs, was a great guy, even if he did like young boys. Of course, Teddy killed a young woman, so I guess Stubbs looks pretty good.
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Oh – and Jerry Falwell is my hero. He made the sweetest apology.
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Bush Admin. says Kerry apology is right but late….now we have a President that has to tell us what is right and what is wrong (self righteous bastards)and the correct timing of an apology. What is timing of Preseident Bush’s apology? Hail Hitler!
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self-admitted pedophile, Gerry Stubbs
Liar.
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Jose Padilla may not be Mother Teresa, but remember, he’s a U.S. citizen with constitutional rights who hasn’t been convicted of anything. That makes him innocent until proven guilty. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/1/06@ 1:37 am
Wow, Furball supports Jose Padilla Innocent before being Guilty, but has already convicted Tom DeLay.
Some scumbag trying to diss his country and Furball likes him. Moonbat all the way!
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Bush should apologize for 25,000 needless American casualties and 655,000 dead Iraqis — all to enrich himself and his cronies. We’re not going to go off message to respond to your BS. Your use of a slip of the tongue to dun a real American hero is the crime here. What pigs you are! Commentby headless lucy— 11/1/06@ 7:00 am
Please prove your bullshit from reputable MSM sources! Bullshit otherwise!
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I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers. Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 11/1/06@ 9:04 am
To my illegal Mexican friends, you don’t need papers for voting.
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HAIL HITLER!
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Amazing how Kerry in Seattle continued to be moonbattic!
Open thread
Courtesy of SNL, via Crooks and Liars
Comments
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Cougars win!
Republicans lose!
Paradise.
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Goldy — have you seen TODAY’S Seattle Times editorial?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....wed30.html
They are denouncing Darcy Burner because the Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) used a few seconds of TVW footage (from a Reichert speech to the Mainstream Republicans earlier this year) in an ad attacking Dave Reichert. They say that this violated TVW’s copyright.
Clearly, this has got to be “fair use” under the copyright laws. Just because the copyright holder says you can’t use their material at all for any purpose doesn’t mean that “fair use” of a limited portion is prohibited.
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I see the Cedar Park, Fuiten issue finally went to the next level. Front page of the Everett Herald this morning.
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The truth hurts doesn’t it assholes?
Yes, it hurts AMERICA.
But you AMERICA HATERS don’t give a rip.
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Do it for the “CHILDREN”!
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Richard @2,
Yeah, I’m writing on it now. Not only is this absolutely, positively fair use, but the Burner campaign is barred by law from coordinating with the DCCC. Either the Times editorial writers are a bunch of idiots, or they’re simply being disingenuous. I’m guessing the latter.
But also, as I’ve written before, the clip is in fact taken entirely in context. That is how his fellow Republicans in the audience understood it.
I’m guessing this is another Kate Riley hack job. It’s embarassing.
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Anonymous, 8 more days until the honest party regains at least 1 chamber. How will it feel for your GOP (gang of pendejos) to be remembered as ‘just a comma” (or will it be “just a pimple)? RIP GOP
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Bush and the Republicans continue to ignore science:
A senior Bush political appointee at the Interior Department has rejected staff scientists’ recommendations to protect imperiled animals and plants under the Endangered Species Act at least six times in the past three years, documents show.
In addition, staff complaints that their scientific findings were frequently overruled or disparaged at the behest of landowners or industry have led the agency’s inspector general to look into the role of Julie MacDonald, who has been deputy assistant secretary of the interior for fish and wildlife and parks since 2004, in decisions on protecting endangered species.
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The White House is getting ready for a Democratic take over of congress:
Spotted on 10/19, by an eagle-eyed Wonkette reader: The Mid-Atlantic Shredding Services truck making its way up to the Cheney compound at the Naval Observatory.
. . .
You better get crackin’, Dick — that evidence won’t destroy itself!
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If America really wants these pedophile, crooked, draft-dodging, traitors in the GOP to run the country then I certainly do hate America.
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Anonymous and the other wingnuts:
How is Bush’s plan working in Iraq? You might want to know the truth before you vote:
Burials at Arlington National Cemetery took on a grim regularity in October, when at least 103 American troops were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Iraq, the toll had reached 99 by Saturday, making October the deadliest month since January 2005.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....tner=MYWAY
Note, that number is now over 100 dead in Iraq this month.
But, heck, its about 1200 days since “Mission Accomplished.”
No wonder not a single Republican is running on their record.
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More bad news for the wingnuts:
With her new lead over Republican Mike McGavick of 52% to 41% (see crosstabs), Democratic Senator Maria Cantwell again enjoys the support she had in early September. She leads 54% to 42% when leaners are added to the tallies.
On September 6, right after McGavick made public an old drunk driving incident, a Rasmussen Reports poll showed his support sliding to 35%. He rebounded to the low 40s later in the month. But he hasn’t been able to climb further.
We are shifting this state from “Leans Democrat” to “Democrat” in our Senate Balance of Power summary. While Cantwell no longer has the seventeen-point advantage she enjoyed right after McGavick’s preemptive confession, the trend is in her favor.
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…And the Reichert ad saying Burner wants to raise “your” SS taxes. That’s deliberately misleading. Raising the cap on SS higher than the $90,000 a year mark is not the same as raising everybodies’ SS tax> It’s SOP. It was done under Reagan, under grown-up Bush, and under Clinton. Mournfully intoning that Darcy Burner wants to raise “your” taxes is an egregious lie.
And I don’t even know what egregious means, but Oprah said it was a good word to use.
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I have written to Kate, I’ll send the letter your way. She wants Darcy running against Doc. Apparently Right Wingers are out of place in Yakima but not in Bellevue.
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Has Frank Blethen endorsed I-933? If he does, I’m gonna buy property next door to his house, build a bumper chroming plant there, and hire an Indian tribe to run it.
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17 Mike
Because Mike! helped run a campaign once. I know it doesn’t make sense.
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6 Anonymous
I say we should cut and run, all right.
We should CUT our losses in Iraq and RUN the government honestly for once.
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RR: How about a pig farm? That wouldn’t cause permanant harm to the environment, but would make it mighty unpleasant “aroma” for Blethan to come home to.
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14 JDB
So Mike! might get over 40% after all.
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George Will didn’t have very nice things to say about Rumsfield in his recent Newseek column. I certainly don’t agree with George Will a lot of the time, but I do respect that (a) he uses logic and reason in his arguments, (b) is obviously intelligent, and (c) is willing to reverse course when he realizes his previous positions were in error.
So he starts his column by saying the following:
Nov. 6, 2006 issue – Many months ago it became obvious to all but the most ideologically blinkered that America is losing the war launched to deal with a chimeric problem (an arsenal of WMD) and to achieve a delusory goal (a democracy that would inspire emulation, transforming the region). Last week the president retired his mantra “stay the course” because it does not do justice to the nimbleness and subtlety of U.S. tactics for winning the war.
A surreal and ultimately disgusting facet of the Iraq fiasco is the lag between when a fact becomes obvious and when the fiasco’s architects acknowledge that fact. Iraq’s civil war has been raging for more than a year; so has the Washington debate about whether it is what it is.
In a recent interview with Vice President Cheney, Time magazine asked, “If you had to take back any one thing you’d said about Iraq, what would it be?” Selecting from what one hopes is a very long list, Cheney replied: “I thought that the elections that we went through in ’05 would have had a bigger impact on the level of violence than they have … I thought we were over the hump in terms of violence. I think that was premature.”
He thinks so? Clearly, and weirdly, he implies that the elections had some positive impact on the level of violence. Worse, in the full transcript of the interview posted online he said the big impact he expected from the elections “hasn’t happened yet.” “Yet”? Doggedness can be admirable, but this is clinical.
Anyway, what Cheney actually said 17 months ago was that the insurgency was in its “last throes.” That was much stronger than saying we were “over the hump” regarding violence. Beware of people who misquote themselves while purporting to display candor…..
The remainder of the article is worth reading in its entirety:
Source….http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15...../newsweek/
Things are getting pretty bad for the Republican administration when George Will thinks you are exhibiting ostrich-like tendencies.
Of course, I got a kick out of that last line quoted above – it reminded me too much of Mike McGavick.
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It’s about 35 degrees outside and all yew-all Democrats think it’s global warming! Haw haw haw!
I don’t care how many tons of carbon di-oxy-contin is going into the air, it’s cold outside dammit, and that proves everything I can understand!
“I’m Dave Reichert, and I approved this message.”
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Why would anyone think that any organization that is interested in exploiting Muslim resentment of the US for their own purposes would want Republicans to lose?
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23 rhp6033
I can understand. It’s been a long time since Dick Cheney was close to anything resembling a hump.
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You got that right. After watching Lynne Cheney on CNN this weekend, it became clear that one reason that Dick Cheney’s nastiness has so visibly increased over the past couple decades is that he is married to the heart of darkness. Lord, that “woman” is detestable. I’ll bet old Dickless hasn’t boinked that creature (nor has he probably wanted to) since their last child was conceived. A couple decades of a sexless marriage makes a man lonesome, orn’ry, and mean, as the late, great Waylon Jennings would say. -
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Roger Rabbit @ 18
I assume Blethen will oppose I-933. His family’s financial interests have nothing at all to do with that initiative.
Probably more important to see how Blethen will stretch the truth to support causes that he believes in. And I don’t see how using a few seconds from a copyrighted videotape in a political commercial is anything other than “fair use”. This issue should have nothing to do with which candidate wins the 8th district congressional race.
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Perhaps it’s time for a bit of good news. RT Strategies, a non-partisan (or maybe bi-partisan) consulting/polling firm has released its latest poll on the 8th Congressional District. The numbers are:
Darcy Burner – 49%
David Reichert – 47%Source: http://www.constituentdynamics.....index2.php
Yes, there are a number of people that are still asking the question “Darcy who?”, but the people asking that question are back in that “other” Washington, and they work for the Republicans.
Looks like there’s a good chance that they will get the opportunity to meet Ms. Burner in person.
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(Yes, I know that the numbers above are well within the margin of error, but it sure does feel good to be on the upper end of that margin for a change.)
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The death of LIBERALISM… may you rot in your own hell
Here are the top 25 daily newspapers in the U.S. by circulation (with percent change) for the six-month period ending September 2006.
1. USA Today: 2,269509, (-1.3%)
2. The Wall Street Journal: 2,043235, (-1.9%)
3. The New York Times: 1,086,798, (-3.5%)
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Anonymous
Aren’t delusions fun? Delusions are way better than reality. The pretend world let’s us picture our president as a smart and courageous leader, ignore the economic time bomb that our deficit and uncontrolled spending poses to us, and hang on to our notions about how our outdated ideology will continue to shape our nation and world. Stay in dreamland, buddy. Waking from your reactionary dreaming could be really depressing. -
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You got that right. After watching Lynne Cheney on CNN this weekend, it became clear that one reason that Dick Cheney’s nastiness has so visibly increased over the past couple decades is that he is married to the heart of darkness. Lord, that “woman” is detestable. I’ll bet old Dickless hasn’t boinked that creature (nor has he probably wanted to) since their last child was conceived. A couple decades of a sexless marriage makes a man lonesome, orn’ry, and mean, as the late, great Waylon Jennings would say.
Commentby proud leftist— 10/30/06@ 12:04 pm
God, you truly are FILTH.
How about getting “boinked” by this creature?
Or bitch?
How about your favorite fat DUH!?
Or this scary bitch?
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Anonymous
Do you hate all women? I’m confident they’re not terribly fond of you, given how bitter and delusional you are. Being a macho-wannabe, pounding your chest and telling us all how tough you are, is really no way enter adulthood, my son. Cast aside your venom, embrace reality, grow up. -
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I can’t help noticing that anonomous will not sign his name. Can’t say that I blame him.
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34 Anon
I’m a cut and run Democrat, all right. I want us to CUT our losses in Iraq and RUN over to Pakistan, kick Musharraf’s ass and cature Osama bin Laden once and for fucking all.
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36 Mike et. al.
Curent thought is that Anonymous is the former HowcanyoubeproudtobeanASS, who represented as female.
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I see in today’s news that Ruport Murdoch and his New York Post endorsed HILLARY CLINTON for re-election to U.S. Senate. Eat shit, trollfuck traitor!
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ASS – let that hate out. You’ve held too much in over the years.
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New York Post endorsed HILLARY CLINTON
Anonymous ASS will love that!
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Hmmm, the thin lost my name. I posted 37 and 38.
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I am a Republican – I lie, cheat and steal. An am one big cry baby hypocrit. Boo Hoo Hoo – I have to pay taxes, let me cheat instead. Hail Hitler.
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Man there can be nothing worse for America than to have this fucking inbred idiot Bush representing our country. I am so ashamed that I want to vomit. I can’t WAIT for the day this traitor is out of office.
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Check out the list of the most dangerous cities in the USA. 100% Democrat!! Not a Republican within miles!!! All gang, crime, and drug infested Democrat Hillary Villiage Shit Holes!!! And all vote 115% Democrat!! [Atlas has Shrugged]
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Open thread
Well, if they’re gonna run racist ads down in Tennessee, the least the GOP could do is be honest about it. (Courtesy of The General.)
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MTR’s ballot guide:
Initiative 920: Repeal of death tax
Yes.
Rationale: I vote for all tax cuts and against all tax increases.Initiative 933: Stop government theft
Yes
Rationale: Stop fucking private property owners.Initiative 937: More windmills
Yes
Rationale: The global warming stuff is bullshit of course. But I’m voting yes because the use of natural gas for electricity has driven up the price to the point where the fertilizer plants in the midwest that use natural gas for feedstock have shut down. We now rely on foreign countries to sell us fertilizer. Our food supply is now dependent on whether foreign countries like us or not, and I think that’s a bad idea.GE has developed wind turbine technology that can produce power for about 7.5 cents per KWH compared to current rates of about 6 cents per KWH. So it’s in the ballpark.
HJR 4223: Increase tax exemption
Yes
Rationale: I vote for all tax cuts and against all tax increases.King County Prop 1: Who the fuck knows what this is about?
No
Rationale: Ron Sims can’t be trusted.King County Prop 2: More empty buses.
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Does anybody know what kind of bullshit Ron Sims is trying to pull with Prop 1?
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Thanks for the anti-reality guide MTR. I voted the opposite way on all but one case.
I glad to know I was right about the others, though.
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This sure looks like one of my democrat political rallies.
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RubberStampReichert refuses to hug cute cuddly bunnies. Vote for Darcy Burner!
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Being a racist or killing a woman sure helps your senate chances if you are a dem. I would go for president but I havent rape anyone yet.
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We’re all Americans here. Except for the trollfucks. See #1 for example.
P.S. – pay your fucking gambling debt, Mark Welsher!!!
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Being a racist or killing a woman sure helps your senate chances if you are a dem. I would go for president but I havent rape anyone yet.
Commentby Robert C Byrd-Democrat US Se— 10/29/06@ 5:33 pm
That must be klake the lying wingfuck! The spelling and grammar looks like his.
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This one deserves reposting:
“I read a study recently which showed that conservative judges vote to overturn laws more often than liberal ones, which is the very definition of ‘activist’ judge as defined by latter-day conservatives.” Commentby Daddy Love— 10/29/06@ 5:12 pm
A certain amount of judicious judicial activism is healthy, but I don’t want injudicious judicial activism to get out of hand. (See Richard Sanders for an example.) That’s why I voted for Susan Owens. Also because I’m a partisan hack.
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1 – pay the fucking gambling debt you owe to Goldy.
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That must be klake the lying wingfuck! The spelling and grammar looks like his.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 10/29/06@ 5:34 pm
Sorry Roger keep dreaming.
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I”m still wondering if any other libs are curious about Ron Sims and his hiking plan….
I mean in a world of poor transit, and limited $$, why in the heck is he turning nice right of way w/ rails into trails? Don’t we have like 10,000 miles of trails within a 1 hour drive?
I”d love to take a train or light rail (except i don’t live along Rainier avenue). Offer me a BN track and hey baby, i’ll ride the rails..
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I”d love to take a train or light rail (except i don’t live along Rainier avenue). Offer me a BN track and hey baby, i’ll ride the rails..
Commentby righton— 10/29/06@ 5:57 pm
Righton he will when you name the rail after him.
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Goldy you should have aired this video instead. They never showed up in King County with their cameras to catch Ron Sims clowns stuffing the ballot boxes.
Join us at http://www.videothevote.org — Our goal is to protect the vote by being the eyes and ears where ballots are cast and counted on Election Day. We will document and report any irregularities that occur at polling places and boards of elections while they are happening, enabling the media and public to watch-dog the electoral process across our country
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17 Agreed. Methinks that the rail lines are becoming missed opportunities for transit rights-of-way that may well become far more significant than the recreational opportunities provided by trails. Mind you…my family and I LOVE hiking and biking. Just that it seems there are more important things.
In the 1980’s I worked at Physio-Control–what is now a part of Medtronic. We were one of the early industrial developments along Willows Road, perhaps the second after Rocket Research. Several of the people I worked with were involved with the Snoqualmie Valley Railroad Museum, and they often speculated about finding a couple of Budd Cars to run a transit service on the track that parallels Willows Road–they jokingly referred to it as “Physio Area Rapid Transit” AKA “PHART”.
Well, guess what? Now there are high-tech developments all along Willows, the traffic through that corridor has become God-awful, and that rail spur is now part of what would get converted to a trail under Sims’s proposal. The irony is that as a trail it’s redundant–the Sammamish River Trail is only a quarter of a mile away.
Are we really considering all the possibilities here?
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So what the fuck is Ron Sims trying to pull with Prop 1? Does anybody know? Since the wording is so obscure, I’m assuming it’s some bullshit that will end up fucking The Producers somehow.
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Legislators take an oath to uphold the law. Yet Darcy Burner supports breaking the law when she tells the fucking lie about the 2.13 minimum wage. I believe under-reporting income is a felony punishable by huge fines and long jail terms.
Seems like any candidate who actually follows through on fucking lies like this should be indicted.
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Same goes for liarfuckingcantwell too
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Speaking of LiarfuckingCantwell… who do you guys think of her giving taxpayer money to her fuck buddy?
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Goldy:
Thank you for putting up the kind of add that Klake, Mark the Redneck, JCH and I can get behind. And you know that JCH likes it when we get behind him. [he he]
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Mark, regarding “empty busses”…if “empty” is to mean “occupied only by the driver, there are a hell of a lot more “empty SUV’s” out there.
I have to admit, I’m at the helm of an “empty Grand Marquis”…although that STILL gets over twice the mileage as an Expedition or a Suburban. We live in Seattle, and early this year I took a job at a high-tech firm in Bellevue, not entirely realizing how drastically the bus service had been cut back in recent years. My greatest frustration was to realize that the routes that go from Overlake, the Northup Way/Bel-Red corridor and even the Bellevue Transit Center are now limited to a few “inbound (i. e. to downtown Seattle) runs in the morning and corresponding “outbound” runs in the evening. Get a clue, guys…who lives in the Northup industrial parks and commutes to Seattle? Sure, the busses are going to be empty if you run them when/where nobody needs ’em! I’ll probably change jobs again before they tear up 520 if this doesn’t get straightened out.
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25 Mark the Dipshit….it wasn’t taxpayer money, it was HER money. It’s also none of your business. And what’s with your sudden fascination with Maria’s sex life? Ain’t getting any yourself?
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I just think it’s terrible that LiarFuckingCantwell gives taxpayer money to her fuck buddy. That just seems wrong to me…
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So you support more empty buses?
Why?
Why not pour some fucking concrete so people like me in our luxury SUVs can get where we need to be?
And while we’re at it, let’s get rid of those stoopid fucking HOV lanes. We tried an experiment. It failed. Time to turn ’em into lexus lanes so The Producers can get where they need to be. FUcking ridiculous the way it is now for us to have to sit there with the rest of you.
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Let’s get TWO HOV lanes with a 4 passenger requirement, instead.
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14 SITTING FEDERAL GOP POLITICIANS ARE under arrest, indictment, probation, conviction or investigation. Only ONE Dem is in that situation. And just think how many rethugs we’d have in jail if there were any REAL oversight!!!
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So how did we get Mark the Redneck and Roger Rabbit to agree on I-917?
There actually is a lot of potential in wind power. Regardless of whether this initiative passes or not, economic forces and the limited supply of fossil fuels will eventually require all these alternative and renewable energy sources to be used.
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Actually, that should be I-937 (or whatever the windmill initiative is numbered). Who knows what I-917 was (or would have been)? And who cares?
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So how did we get Mark the Redneck and Roger Rabbit to agree on I-917? Commentby Richard Pope— 10/29/06@ 8:48 pm
I stomped some sense into him.
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I”m still wondering if any other libs are curious about Ron Sims and his hiking plan….
Commentby righton— 10/29/06@ 5:57 pm
Hey righton, where ya been, are you out on parole now? To answer your question, I posted on a previous thread that I think it’s a bad deal for the neighbors. I sure don’t want Port of Seattle running Boeing Field! What is Ron Sims thinking anyway.
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Redneck et seq.
Indictment is not the remedy for bet welshing! As I’ve pointed out previously on this blog, gambling contracts are not legally enforceable. Therefore, gambling debts normally are enforced by making the welsher go swimming with cement flippers.
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From the front page of the NY Times:
Hundreds of thousands of weapons intended for Iraqi security forces were not properly monitored, a new federal report said.
Spin it for me, Righties. Start with shooting the messenger, the NY Times, see if you can get to the facts.
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@ 17 re the “big deal”-
I’m afraid both Sims and Dinsmore are building legacies. While the trail is a nice dream, it’s not at the top of the “to do” list.
The trail’s use for transit is compromised by the fact that WSDOT is cutting it at the Wilberton I-405 crossing for work on freeway widening. It would cost big bucks to maintain the rail line in a usable condition.
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Roger Rabbit @ 37
Actually, the $100 bet thing seems like a pretty close legal call. I think you can legally contract to “gamble”, if the proceeds go to a charity, rather than to the bettor. Not sure whether this would apply if the “charity” was a political cause. There was also the question of whether Goldy and Mark had a meeting of the minds — whether they had agreed on the same thing or not. Actually, there was a lot of evidence that they had.
I think courts don’t like gambling contracts. So if there is even a reasonable doubt as to whether the object of the contract is lawful, or whether a contract has been formed, a court should probably reject it. So your analysis is correct and basically the same as mine.
Wonder how this issue would fare in small claims court?
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Pope – Here’s a legal test for you. If an offer is made, and the offeree makes a counter offer, is the offeror still obligated to the terms of the original offer, or is that considered a rejection of the offer? I know the answer… so let’s see if you’re qualified to be a judge.
Here’s the exchange:
912 by 15 ! ! ! !
Hey Goldy, a week or so ago, you wanted to make a bet on whether 912 passes by 15. I accepted your offer, but never heard back from you.
I say the “Yes” vote on 912 will be at least 57.5%. If I’m right, you send $100 to Eyman’s compensation fund. If I’m wrong, I’ll send $100 to whoever you specify.
Are we on? Or are you not so sure now that everyone thinks like you?
We’re all waiting to hear…
Commentby Mark The Redneck— 9/20/05@ 11:36 amMark the Redneck @1,
You’re on. $100 says I-912 does not get 57.5% of the statewide vote.
Though I gotta say, you did pick the absolute worst cause I could possibly think of. If you’d like, instead of trying to screw each other, we could make this a friendlier wager by selecting a mutually agreeable charity – like the Red Cross – so that no matter the outcome, a worthy cause comes out a winner.
And Cynical @3… screw you. I didn’t offer you a wager.
Commentby Goldy— 9/20/05@ 5:31 pmGoldy @ 15 – Nope. You pay Tim $100 and go on record putting money in his pocket or no deal.
You decide.
Commentby Mark The Redneck— 9/20/05@ 7:15 pmSince I never heard back until after the election was over, the deal was dead.
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MTR, you say no bet was ever in place. If that was true, why did you agree to pay it off after the election?
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Goldy said “You’re on”. He also said “if you’d like” – you didn’t “like” so Goldy was held to “You’re on”. Your “no deal” has no validity.
Later, you said you “tried” to pay the debt but Cantwell’s site didn’t work for you. IMHO, that was bullshit. You lost and you were too chickenshit to pay what you owed.
So pay the fucking gambling debt you owe to Goldy.
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K at 39
ok, at least the 405 widening comment has some logic…but i gotta wonder….you mean we have 15 miles of rail from bellevue to renton, and cuz we lose 1 mile of it, the rest is worthless….isn’t a cure to that 1 mile still worth it?
Could you libs/greens put the word out that his hiking plan is going to screw transit for a long, long time. I know you guys would rather take mass transit than those stupid Priuses (just a bandaid)
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Looks like Goldy is still on Daylight Savings Time!
For The Clueless does have a good analysis. It appears that Goldy accepted and formed a contract. Goldy then proposed a modification of the contract — loser pays a specified charity. Mark rejected the proposed contract modification. Original contract stands.
However, a different analysis may be appropriate. It does seem like the counteroffer argument has some merit. More appropriately, there is an exchange of on-line messages. And no completely unambiguous acceptance by Goldy. We can call it an acceptance, but Mark messaged back, and wanted Goldy to “decide”. Goldy didn’t get back to Mark until after the election.
I see it as ambiguous. Goldy did intend to accept Mark’s bet offer, but the subsequent conduct makes it ambiguous. A normal business contract would not normally be accepted in such an ambiguous manner. And a gambling contract would certainly be strictly construed.
So I would say there was no contract formed here.
Had a contract been formed, it would still be illegal and not enforceable. The definition of “gambling” includes benefitting a third party by the outcome of a chance event, and not just benefitting the person or persons betting:
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Richard, you mean, we will stop having to read one line Clueless? Or last line Furball? Once again great analysis! Yippee!
Now to something more serious:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/.....OIB80.html
I know proud liftist and ATJ have serious comprehension issues, but if you look at the most dangerous cities stated in this study, you’ll determine many of them controlled by donk had recent voting issues. Many of them are from Furball’s favorite state Ohio. Since these are moonbat controlled cities, Furball overlooks this and claims Blackwell did it. How Furball did Blackwell do it when these “crime-ridden” cities are controlled by your pukes? Who manned the polling stations Furball? Who created the polling stations Furball? I’m sure given the opportunity, Furball would choose any city from 325 or above as his final resting place!
Now if that don’t beat the band. Funny how truth and facts hurt the librul mind.
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Soon, very soon GBS will require my permission to post on HA.ORG!!
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Daddy Love ballot guide:
Vote early and often. Elect Democrats; it drives them crazy.
Initiative 920: Repeal of inheritance tax
Nope.
Rationale: (1) Cuts money earmarked for education; (2) extremely progessive tax that affects only the undeserving offpsring of a very few of our most well-off and conmfortable families.Initiative 933: So-called “poperty rights” measure
Nope.
Rationale: (1) In practice, legal and financial burdens will gut zoning and land use regualtion; (2) I disfavor developer-sponsored initiatives; (3) I do not agree with the highert-use valuations that enable property owners to imagine some use to which they would never have put their land and then charge the government for “taking” it from them.Initiative 937: More windmills
Nope.
Rationale: I am starting to disfavor initiatives completely unless I see some compelling public good. On the whole I prefer legislative action. However, this is a “lean no” on my part; my feeling is not that strong.HJR 4223: Increase personal property tax exemption
Yes (amazingly aligned with MTR)
Rationale: The personal property tax exemption is set at a dollar amount, which to me means that we will periodically have to raise periodically it due to inflation and rising property values. It should be set some other way.King County Prop 1: Give KC the power to sell or swap Duwamish and waterfront land it owns.
Yes.
Rationale: KC paid the bonds off back in the 1930s or something. Why should the county not have the power to sell land that we own outright? There’s no public debt involved.King County Prop 2: Transit funding.
Yes.
Rationale: We need to increase transit right now because of the major works projects about to begin.WA Senator: Maria Cantwell
Not that Mike! is the lamest guy on the planet, but we don’t need more pro-no-Iraq-strategy anti-Social Security Rubber Stampers back there.WA-08: Darcy Burner (can’t tell you how good that one felt–I guess I just did)
This smart little cookie is beating Gay Pride Dave like a drum, this election is important to take back the House, Dave IS one of the lamest guys on the planet, and we don’t need more pro-no-Iraq-strategy anti-Social Security Rubber Stampers back there.Supreme Court justice: Susan Owens (fuck the BIAW)
District Court: Frank LaSalata
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33 K
I believe the number was jsut over 14,000.
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9 RR
NY Times Op-ed that quotes a study by Lori Ringhand, a professor at the University of Kentucky College of Law. In her study of the Supreme Court, justices were considered to have voted in an activist way when they voted to overturn a federal or state law, or one of the court’s own precedents. She found, essentially, that
(1) Conservative justices were far more willing than the liberals to strike down federal laws — clearly an activist stance, since they were substituting their own judgment for that of the people’s elected representatives in Congress.
(2) When state laws were at issue, the liberals were more activist. This may be a Rehnquist influence on the conservatives.
(3) In the third measure, overturning the court’s own precedents (for which data were available only up to 2000), the conservatives were far more activist.Even up on 1 and 2, and coservative more activist in 3. It’s not a wide survey; it’s only the USSC. But it is indicative. And there’s no indication that Roberts and Alito will temper conservative jusdicial “activism.” Here’s a link to the paper (PDF).
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Open thread
I’m exhausted. I need a vacation. (A real one, with no blogging.) Anyway, go talk amongst yourselves.
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Darcy!
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Why are Mr. McGavick and Rep. Reichert unable to agree on things?
Rep. Reichert needs to “investigate” global warming.
Mr. McGavick says it is real.Mr. McGavick suggests that change is needed in the Iraq “strategy.”
Rep. Reichert says “stay the course.”I suppose blindly voting an entire slate in is easier on the minds of GOP loyals than thinking about the issues and where individual candidates stand…
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Take some time off after the election Goldy! You deserve it!
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by Goldy, 10/25/2006, 8:06 PM
I’m exhausted. I need a vacation. (A real one, with no blogging.)
What a whiner.
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I hope we win this time. It sure has been slow for me lately. I hate winter.
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No, Goldy, no! We need tireless crusaders.
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Reichert must have slept through yesterday’s briefing. “Stay the course” is out. “Flexibility” is in.*
* This doesn’t mean GOP congressmen are authorized to do their own thinking. They still must check in with Karl Rove on a daily basis. It only means they’re supposed to spout different lines from Bullshit Central.
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David, I wondered why you didn’t post much today. Today was eventful.
David, did you pound too many at Montlake last night? Maybe that’s why you’re dragging. If you’re going to pound them, then you have to exercise afterward. In his drinking days, that’s how George W Bush took care of those hangovers.
I recommend you start going to Green Lake at least four times a week, and walk or run or do a combination of both around the perimeter of the lake, a distance of 2.8 miles. Not only will your energy level increase, your mind will clear. Everyone knows your mind needs clearing. In addition, you might meet Stefan there. A discussion with him after the exercise, four times a week, would give you the added benefit of improving your mind.
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Only 180 more shopping days until impeachment!
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GOP congressmen thinking isn’t that an oxymoron?
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George Bush the draft dodging, AWOL coward NOW wants to cut and run from Iraq! What a joke. Anyone who suppors this traitor should rot in Hell!
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i would like to see the g.o.p. cowerd war crimanels rot in prison first on there way to rotting in hell.
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I’m worried about Oprah!!! Goldy, what should I do?
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11 No, not really. Some of them have individual thinking processes and advanced degrees. I meant the electorate by “GOP loyals.” Like:
“Two of my children are getting divorced, but I support family values and can’t stand the idea of a same-sex couple being happy together. People are meant to be miserable together or happy apart, like my heterosexual children.”“Voting against cutting benefits for veterans is what anti-American people do. Real patriots know that risking death, dismemberment and PTSD is enough reward for our fighters, why teach them to continue to suck at the government teat with benefits?”
“It makes total sense to me that the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, thus we go to war with Iraq. After all, my minimally-funded education has taught me Saudi Arabia and Iraq is the same country.”
It’s safer for these GOP loyals not to try thinking unless they have some thinking buddies to help them through those huge logic gaps.
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It now appears that North Korea is not the only country having problems with their new missile launches. Now the Koreas have some competition for building new weapons today. Hell if the veer of the wrong way they might land on Seattle.
MOSCOW (AP) — An experimental Russian ballistic missile veered off course and fell into the sea shortly after being test-launched from a nuclear submarine Wednesday, the country’s second launch failure in as many months, officials said.
The Bulava missile was launched from underwater in the White Sea northeast of St. Petersburg toward a testing range on the far-eastern Kamchatka peninsula, but it veered off its designated flight path minutes after liftoff. The missile broke apart and its fragments fell into the sea, the navy said.
The botched launch signaled serious problems with the much-lauded Bulava.
The previous Bulava launch, from the same submarine in September, also ended in failure, prompting Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov to urge quick action to prevent the mishap from damaging plans for commissioning new Borei-class submarines.
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When William F.Buckley, Jr. reclines in his leather chair and sparkles his smile at me and the big words come flying out of his gnarly piehole, that’s when I’m proud to be an American.
Where the hell is Oprah? I need fifty bucks.
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I’ll tell you what! Next to Rosie O’Donnell, Oprah’s Miss America!! So don’t go wagging your finger at me and calling me “Mr. Gigalo”!
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GOP congressmen thinking isn’t that an oxymoron?
No, Rush is an oxy-moron.
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The Socialist Democrats are now planning their victory celebration and this is their video that will be played. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Such loving and peaceful people and they still want your head.
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ATJ,
Were we in Wisconsin, a line like that would have landed you in the State PUNitentiary, in WaPUN, for PUNishment.
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Well Folks right off the press form bin Laudin and friends new Campaign film for the Socialist Democrats. Remember Kiss them on both cheeks and they will spare your life and bless your children. We from the caves of Pakistan thank you for all your support and we just hung a picture of Ted Kennedy in our Cave. My Mohammad Bless you.
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You’re a disgrace to the Grand Old Party, klake. Oprah won’t read your book nor will she recommend it to others!
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Thought I’d post the current # of ballots cast state wide. Looks like this thing could be pretty much rapped up by Tuesday.
County___ BallotsCast___ LastMatchback
Adams__ 362 ballots___ 10/25/2006 5:21:46 PM
Benton__ 3438 ballots___ 10/24/2006 11:55:21 AM
Chelan__ 1544 ballots___ 10/24/2006 6:28:15 PM
Clallam__ 2232 ballots___ 10/24/2006 2:06:31 PM
Clark__ 13822 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Columbia__ 275 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
Douglas__ 446 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Franklin__ 2271 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Grant__ 86 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Grays Harbor__ 840 ballots___ 10/23/2006 3:53:54 PM
Island__ 391 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:28:38 PM
Jefferson__ 1488 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
King__ 31474 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:35:59 AM
Kitsap__ 16702 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
Kittitas__ 969 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Klickitat__ 388 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
Lincoln__ 89 ballots___ 10/24/2006 12:43:04 PM
Mason__ 2142 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
Okanogan__ 345 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Pacific__ 1 ballots___ 10/24/2006 11:55:21 AM
Pierce__ 17758 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
San Juan__ 625 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Snohomish__ 18071 ballots___ 10/25/2006 9:07:16 PM
Spokane__ 28937 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
Stevens__ 481 ballots___ 10/24/2006 11:55:21 AM
Thurston__ 6501 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Wahkiakum__ 68 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Whatcom__ 9473 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
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re 22; “…BIN LAUDIN…”!!!!!!!!! Zoundsssss my good man!!! Sounds like Oprah’s Frenchy French toilet water.
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Yeah, I cant wait until Nov 7!!!! How did that song go…. tonight were going to party like the 19 on 911?
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This is Rogers favorite new video’s and follows what he preaches about this country and its leaders. The Terrorist thank you all for the support and your rewards will be great.
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Olberman just showed an add for Arlene Specter (R) PA done by Michael J. Fox during his last election supporting him because he supported stem cell research.
Wonder how many days Limbaugh spent on Mr. Fox being “exploited” then?
Limbaugh, what an Oxy-moron.
Hell, this piss off about half of their base, and will probably turn independents to the Democrats 8 to 1. Plus, is this, as Republicans what you want to be talking about? Not to mention, Michael J. Fox is not Ted Kennedy.
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Another propaganda film from the middle of the road Socialist Democrats. Clear picture on how they see America and love those who would destroy it. Osama bin Laden thank you for your support.
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Oh, look! It’s a Bob Corker ad here on Horse’s Ass! (Goldy, don’t delete the SPAM…)
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This just in. Lush Flimbaugh is trying to talk his newest girlfriend into believing he only FAKES having a limp dick so he can take Viagra. In reality, he has no dick. He’s a girl who is actually Klake’s mom.
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Here Klake, this might help you understand:
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klake,
Thanks. Most excellent film.
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After completing a survey of wingnuts vs. Spammers (from Oct 22-25)with registered humans support for klakes posts on HA stands at 4%, while the spammers approval rate was 95.2%. (the other .08% was equally shared between MWS, anomymous, Rufas, Janet Roach, sillygut, left out, and the lowest of LOWS MTR)
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Many of us feel important in the shallow lives we live in this country. But there are others in this world that live lives of courage and conviction.
FAITH UNDER FIRE
Teen’s testimony of faith unstopped by death
Missionary into Kim Jong-Il’s kingdom of religious oppression martyredPosted: October 26, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A new report from a ministry with a longtime record of support for members of the persecuted Christian church has described the torture and death, and ultimate surviving ministry, of a Christian in North Korea, one the most restrictive nations in the world regarding people of faith.
The report from The Voice of the Martyrs tells of four young men who chose pseudonyms – Pencil, Eraser, Pen and Paper Clip – while training for a Christian mission expedition into North Korea.
They were trained by “Andrew,” a Christian worker in China, for the work that would face them after crossing the Tumen River into North Korea.
While three were studious in their work, the VOM report said, the young man who chose the name “Pencil” seemed to pay little attention, but all four were dispatched into the kingdom of Kim Jong-Il a short time later.Reports from within North Korea several months later came to VOM that three – Eraser, Pen and Paper Clip – had been arrested by North Korean police and beaten, thrown into vehicles and taken away. Reports came back the three were in a concentration camp, but “Pencil,” who had watched the arrests, never saw them again.
“Pencil,” who feared a similar arrest, lived as a beggar to avoid detection, then returned to Andrew in China.
“With tears in his eyes, ‘Pencil’ told Andrew the fate of his three friends. He shared how they had been bold witnesses for Christ, and how he had hid in fear as his best friends were taken away,” the report said.
“What do you want to do with the rest of your life?” Andrew asked, and “Pencil” told him, “I want to learn how to be brave like my friends, and unafraid to share Jesus.”
“The boy whose mind always seemed to wander was now a young man completely committed to Christ,” the VOM report said. “When ‘Pencil’ was ready to return to North Korea, he looked into the eyes of his friend and mentor, and said, ‘I need nothing more.'”
He immediately connected with a Christian couple inside North Korea, and together they worked on their ministry. For five months, they planted seeds of faith and prayed, VOM said.
“One day the three of them were sharing with a small group of beggars and gave them some tracts and a Bible. One of the young beggars went home and proudly showed the Bible to his mother,” VOM’s report, written by P. Todd Nettleton, said.
The mother promptly grabbed it and marched into a police station, where commanders dispatched officers to arrest the couple and “Pencil.”
His following interrogation quickly turned to torture, VOM said, as officers demanded to know the source of the Bible, and that “Pencil” recant.
Instead, he told them of his friends and their fearless witness.
“There was a time when I couldn’t be like them,” he said. “I was too afraid. But now I can be since Jesus is with me.”
Beatings and torture, including pulling out his fingernails, followed.
“If you kill me, someday you will become a Christian,” “Pencil” told the officers.
Eventually, the officers gave up, ordering him to a labor camp but with instructions that he not be fed. For two months, “Pencil” told the other prisoners and the camp guards, “Jesus is the reason I am able to go on.”
“Because of his endurance and how he shared the love of Jesus, many in the camp turned to Christ,” the VOM report said. “After two months in the camp, Pencil died. He never saw his 20th birthday. His body was removed from the camp, but the fruit of his short ministry there lived on.”
VOM is a non-profit, interdenominational ministry working worldwide to help Christians who are persecuted for their faith, and to educate the world about that persecution. Its headquarters are in Bartlesville, Okla., and it has 30 affiliated international offices.
It was launched by the late Richard and Sabina Wurmbrand, who started smuggling Russian Gospels into Russia in 1947, just months before Richard was abducted and imprisoned in Romania where he was tortured for his refusal to recant Christianity.
He eventually was released in 1964 and the next year he testified about the persecution of Christians before the U.S. Senate’s Internal Security Subcommittee, stripping to the waist to show the deep torture wound scars on his body.
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Religion is responsible for more death on this planet than weather, natural dissasters and illness combined.
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Now why did they do that?
October 26, 2006
Rights Group Fires Publisher of Foley E-Mail
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICKWASHINGTON, Oct. 25 — A liberal gay rights group said Wednesday that one of its employees, acting anonymously, had created the Web site that first published copies of unusually solicitous e-mail messages to teenagers from former Representative Mark Foley, which led to his resignation.
Maybe the FBI is finding out new stuff?
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NOW THIS IS RICH!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....es26e.html
We learn all kinds of interesting tidbits here.
Pope-A-Dope even ADMITS his own mental health is questionable. While I’ve always known he was batshit crazy, I didn’t know he knew it. It also turns out that the Bar isn’t done with Dickey. They’re still investigating him for FURTHER mistakes. Does anyone really think that this loooooooooser belongs ANYWHERE in a courtroom with the possible exception of Defendant’s chair?
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New Gallup numbers (free today 10/16 only?)
What does the public want this election season? The following are listed in order of approval (approve, disapprove, no opnion):
– Increase the minimum wage (86 14 1)
– Pass legislation to provide healthcare insurance to those who do not have it (79 17 4)
– Allow Americans to buy prescription drugs imported from other countries (72 25 2)
– Set a time-table for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq (63 34 2)
– Implement all of the anti-terror recommendations made by the 9/11 commission (62 25 13)Umm, that’s why Democrats are talking about these things. Republicans are against all of them. Winning strategy, eh?
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Rush=Kkklake
Both are fucking morons, oxy-morons
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That’s funny. You look at that video and see “terrorists want to behead us.” And you DN’T see that people in other countries are burning the flag because the US invaded an occupied a country that didn’t attack them, then killed half a million people along the way and refuse to leave. It’s funny.
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http://www.tmz.com/2006/10/18/.....guzzle-gas
This is funny moonbats!
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22 klake
Does this mean that the new Republican troll trend will be AWAY from pasting in op-eds and TOWARD right-wing YouTude links? I like any change, but it says no more for your powers of argument.
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63 (will change when SPAM is deleted) jaybo
Don’t you know that the new thing is to link to YouTube? Your cut and paste is so early 2000s.
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“one of its employees, acting anonymously, had created the Web site that first published copies of unusually solicitous e-mail messages to teenagers from former Representative Mark Foley, which led to his resignation.”
Wrong. Foley resigned because ABC approached him with e-mails that they had obtained privately (not from a Web site). He resigned three hours before ABC went public with them.
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And in honor of our “Dickbrain of the Year” award winner, here’s video of Rush Limbaugh in his studio physically mocking Michael J. Fox’s deblitating, progressive disease. He’s an example for all Republicans who aspire to true sliminess!
Hey, I linked to video. Does that make me Republican?
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Richard Pope is not qualified to beat up my girlfriend.
(Although he has tried to rough up women in the past)Come on Goldy go after this Numbskull.
I know you like to increase traffic at your site, but King Richard the Poop is looking to be a Judge.Can you imagine this idiot making decisions based on his warped idea of Morality.
That Ashely Bach Article (linked above) sums up the type of Justice to be handed down by this guy. Plus we all know the BS he posts here is full of hate and my morals or the hiway anyway.
,i> Since the late 1990s, judges have sanctioned or fined Pope at least a half-dozen times — and thousands of dollars — for missing deadlines, filing frivolous motions and other court delays.
In one 1997 case, a state appeals court called Pope’s failure to pay for court documents an “egregious violation” of the court’s rules and sanctioned him and his client $1,500. Pope then took almost two years to pay and was fined another $1,500 for taking so long.
The Municipal League and King County Bar Association have rated Pope “not qualified,” with the bar association taking the unusual step last month of citing him for a history of unprofessional conduct.
Pope “doesn’t have the qualifications to run as a dogcatcher,” LaSalata says. “Most attorneys who do their job never see a sanction in their entire career.”
Pope says his mistakes aren’t that unusual in civil and family law, where he’s specialized. He says he “took cases that have been relatively complex and tried to do the best I could and sometimes I’ve missed deadlines.”
U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman threw Pope off a civil case in January because of missed deadlines. In a long brief in his defense, Pope cited personal problems that included a divorce, his father’s death and the care of his daughter, who has autism.
My “own mental health situation is terrible,” Pope wrote, adding that he hoped most of it was “situationally derived, rather than long term.”
Pechman pointed out that Pope still found time to make a failed run for Port of Seattle commissioner around the time he missed a deadline, and she forwarded a complaint about Pope’s behavior to the Washington State Bar Association, which is investigating.
Pope said this week that he is doing “much, much” better. “I don’t think there’d be any difficulty for me to serve as a judge.”
A woman whose ex-husband Pope represented in a long-running child support case obtained an anti-harassment order against him for two years in the mid-1990s. Janet Moore said Pope threatened her repeatedly, and once lunged across the table at her and her attorney during a deposition.
After county prosecutors investigated him for an alleged violation of the order, he sued Moore, County Prosecutor Norm Maleng and then-King County Sheriff James Montgomery for “false and malicious” charges. The lawsuits, in King County Superior and federal court, were eventually dismissed.
Pope denies that he lunged at Hansen but admits that he behaved poorly during the deposition. “I made a bad mistake nearly 12 years ago there and I deeply regret it.”
I know your on the Darcy/Goldmark kick, but Judges are tougher to recall (if at all) than congressman.
He can have a profound impact on many peoples lives, without the oversight.
STOP THIS IDIOT NOW!
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Nothing makes it ILLEGAL for supervisory employees to join a labor organization. They simply don’t have the protections that are afforded under the National Labor Relations Act.
Comment by Richard Pope — 10/3/06 @ 12:12 pm
This bonehead wants to be a Judge.
Please Goldy;
Remove your endorsement of this perenial candidate, He couldn’t make it as an attorney, now he just wants payback against people who actually took the time to understand the law and took him to the woodshed over and over.
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67, Daddy,
That isn’t what Americans want – it’s what Americans rate the likelyhood of a Democratic controlled Congress will do.
Big difference!
Also, the items listed were picked by the survey = not the respondents.
Big Difference!
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Dickie if you ever came across the table at me in a depo, I’d break your fucking pencil thin neck!
Man you aren’t just crazy, you’re fucking dangerous. How’d you manage to avoid jail all this time?
I could tell just by looking at pictures of Dickie he and Mr. Irons had something in common. Problems with women Dickie? Is that the root of your mental illness?
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3. Someone should file a civil rights lawsuit in federal court to throw out the November 2004 governor’s election based on federal constitutional violations of the right to vote and equal protection — due to all these duplicated and ineligible voters in King County. It is not too late for a federal lawsuit.
Posted by: Richard Pope on October 13, 2005 06:36 PM
Now here is a guy that comes to decisions based on (U)sound
Legal Precedent. Just another Shill for the BIAW.
Don’t see him writing about the Conyers report or The Junior Kennedy article and asking for an election to be tossed out for really aggregious errors.I don’t want to be doing hard labor for a speeding ticket.
Since this guy doesn’t know the law (or doesn’t understand that is what he is supposed to rule by), I am going to have to appeal to get his stupid ruling overturned.Come on Repugs…think of the cost to Taxpayers of all the retrials of Popes stupid rulings.
And you know there will be retrials, any attorney will know that they have at least a 50/50 chance of getting a Dope ruling overturned by a real Judge.
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See Goldy;
He is so confussed that he doesn’t know if he is a democrat or Republican, whichever way the wind or money blows he’ll be there.Like Joad from Grapes of Wrath…..but in a it’s about me way.
Sunday, September 24, 2006
Judicial Selection: Pope’s fiasco
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD
Over more than a decade, Washington voters have 10 times rejected Richard Pope’s attempts at elected office. This year, finally, he may have gotten lucky. And that likely will mean bad luck for his constituents, especially those who would come before him as King County District Court judge.
The ratings Pope has earned from associations and good-government groups consistently hover in the range of “poor” and “not qualified.”
He ran as a Republican for state attorney general twice, a Democrat for King County prosecutor and a Republican again for King County assessor.
In 2004, state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance used “the fiasco of Richard Pope” as evidence of parties’ loss of power to select their own candidates under the blanket primary.
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Sorry Stilwell — all divorce files in Washington courts are PUBLIC, unless there is a court order sealing them.
I don’t think a lobbyist who is the ex-boyfriend of an incumbent U.S. House of Representatives member (as was the situation between Ron Dotzauer and Maria Cantwell on March 18, 1994) should be entitled to having the special privilege of having the ENTIRE case file sealed. This smacks of favoritism and may have been done to cover up politically embarassing revelations from public purview.
Posted by Richard Pope at 09:34 PM, Sep 12, 2006
Come on Unless sealed? they were sealed. Judge?
Come on Poop post your Divorce/Murder papers here if they are open record.
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DanW @ 87
My divorce papers are a public record. If it suits your fancy, you can go down to the King County Court House and copy them for 25 cents per page. Actually, it is really easy — go to the computer terminal, and press the buttons to print things out. Or call my opponent, and maybe you can save the copying charges and a trip downtown. And you can even scan them and post them on your own website, etc. etc.
There really is nothing exciting in there. Other than the fact that I have custody of my daughter — something the Seattle Times story today chose not to emphasize (and left many readers perhaps with the misleading impression that her mother has custody, since that is the much more common situation in society). I suppose that if Goldy didn’t mention that he has custody of his daughter, many people (including lots of his right-wing critics from time to time) would likewise assume that she was with her mother.
The only person in my race whose divorce files were sealed was the incumbent, Mary Ann Ottinger (who was eliminated in the primary). She was divorced from drunk driving defense attorney Stephen Hayne back in 1994. Their entire file was sealed — apparently by mutual agreement — on the same day it was filed back in March 1994.
And I would say that sealing orders are used far too often in civil cases, especially in divorce and family law cases. And the entire court file often gets sealed, when only a few documents (or portions thereof) would be appropriately kept confidential in cases where sealing is called for.
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I’ll give you your second point. The items were selected by the survey.
But if you followed the link you should have scrolled down further, because those polled were not rating the likelihood of any item being put forward, but instead giving their own APPROVAL of each it IF IT WERE put forward.
Thus it is indeed what peoiple would want done, of the choices presented, in the order and at the approval percentates I quoted.
I don’t think it is too far-fatched to say that a good part of the Democratic appeal in this alection is they they ARE willing to pass actual legislation that Republicans would never touch, and that this is reflected to some extent in the current “Democratic wave.”
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That was 83 sgmmac
The numbers will change if the spam is deleted.
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I can’t even support Richard for dogcatcher until he resolves his situationally derived mental health issues. Look what happens when can happen when people with situationally derived issues are dogcatchers:
“Rader had worked since 1991 as a supervisor of the Compliance Department at Park City, a two-employee, multi-functional department in charge of ‘animal control, housing problems, zoning, general permit enforcement and a variety of nuisance cases.’ In this position, neighbors recalled him as sometimes overzealous and extremely strict; one neighbor complained that he euthanized her dog for no reason.”
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I’m not suggesting Richard would euthenize people, like that guy did, but he does need to get his lunging-across-the-table style of conducting depositions under control. It would be unseemly to have a small claims court judge lunge across the bench and bludgeon people with his gavel. Pope didn’t do that, but LaSalata threatened to throw small claims litigants in jail.
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Goldy endorsed Pope? Was I traveling when that happened? I thought Goldy dissed Pope.
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Dissed and supported him, that’s what’s confusing.
I don’t care if he’s a Republican or Democrat. (which not even he is sure what he is.)
But Unqualified people, no matter how nice should not be sitting making rulings on people who know the law better than them.Richard;
Went to your opponents website;
http://electfrankvlasalatajudg.....page4.html
Don’t see anything about the divorce in there, but plenty more about your qualifications, or lack therof.
Where can we find a copy of the restraining order on you by that women, you jumped at?
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Daddy,
You said that is what Americans want, it isn’t what they want. It’s their priorities amoung those items listed. Americans may have higher priorities of things not listed, such as;
Repealing the Patriot act, gay marriage, habeas corpus, immigration, fixing social security and/or Medicare, outsourcing jobs, lowering or raising taxes, the federal debt, and finally eavesdropping on (suspected) terrorists and other various hot topics all discussed here daily……….
Not all Republicans are against those priorities in 67 and not all Democrats agree with passing all of the 9/11 commissions findings. They did pass one of them that most Democrats hate – that is making it illegal to issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens.
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Hey, has the 100 Hours Plan been addressed yet in this blog? Should it?
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has unveiled a Democratic “first 100 hours” plan to be enacted once Democrats control the House. In an effort to “drain the [Republican] swamp,” Pelosi would:
Day One: Put new rules in place to “break the link between lobbyists and legislation.”
Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds — “I hope with a veto-proof majority,” she added in an Associated Press interview Thursday.
All the days after that: “Pay as you go,” meaning no increasing the deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or some other priority.
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Personally, I don’t think divorce files should be public record. In the initial stages of a divorce, the filing party (petitioner) routinely files an affidavit asking for a temporary restraining order against the respondent. This is necessary to prevent either side from quickly taking control of marital assets, or reacting angrily to the filing of the divorce. The problem is, the law requires that there be “cause” for the TRO. In other words, you have to allege that you have some reason to assume that the other party would harass, abuse you, or dispose of the marital assets. That leads to affidavits being filed which typically include rather exaggerated claims that the petitioner has been abused, and the respondent is a jerk. After a couple of sets of “dueling affidavits” each containing such charges and counter-charges, the judge in the preliminary hearing typically just imposes mutual restraining orders, establishes temporary custody, sets temporary child support, decides who gets to live in the house pending trial, and then refers the case to trial somewhere down the road.
I think justice would be better served if those dueling affidavits were dispensed with, and the filing of a divorce action resulted in an automatic and mutual TRO, which can be amended at a hearing later.
In addition, most of the financial matters which might show up in a divorce trial are nobody’s business but the parties themselves and the court.
So I would suggest that the public portion of the record should only include the fact that a petition was filed, the dates and names of the parties, and the ultimate disposition (i.e., dissolution granted) and the date.
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sgmmac
Yes, I continue to say that it IS what they want. When 86% of those polled say they would “approve” if Democrats do X, you can take that as they want it done. If they didn’t want it, why would they approve of it being done, and in such numbers?
I didn’t say, you will note, that these are the TOP things people want. But they want them.
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I think I am going to try to track down the ex-Mrs. Pope. I’d love to find out some more dirt on this idiot.
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I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat when I’m not being a hypocrit and family man. Hail Hitler!
Open thread
President Bush uses “the Google.” Nice to know he’s keeping up with technology.
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He claims to use Google Earth to look at his ranch. But his ranch is not clearly identifiable on GE; because, well, it is his ranch, and protected by various codes and statutes. So if he is looking at his ranch via satellite, he must be using an NSA or DoD one, that can easily look down and see just what wood needs to be moved and what brush he will cut next trip down. What a dickwad….
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Maybe that’s where the Google folks are really making their money…
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The Preznit uses the Google to keep track of those rumors he keeps hearing on the Internets.
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Hey, did JCH change his screen name again?
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940
Actually, I take that back. Those posts were WAY too on topic, intelligent and racism-free to be JCH.
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7. Way. Very funny.
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Word.
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The Chickenhawk in Chief is a dunderhead.
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10
He caters to a dunderhead crowd. You can’t explain something as complicated as how to spell “to” and “if” to a Republican voter.
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The JCH count down clock is ticking. . .
15 more days unitl the Dems regain control of congress and Buhhhhhh – bye JCH!
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Roger Rodent: (just for the open thread humor)
May I suggest getting a life? How many hours a day do you obsessively spend on this site? You’re so pathetic it is really rather entertaining. I can tell that you are a very insecure, angry little man; you lack self-confidence and wit, not to mention I’d bet never very socially accepted or popular with the fairer sex. You desire to be intelligent, and you try very hard; but in the end your delusional rants consist mostly of nothing more than Republican bashing, while offering no ideas or solutions of your own. The long posts of HAR HAR HAR, etc. and living in your childish bunny-world show your desire to be something when your just a nobody as well as your juvenille and immature view on the world. I’d also be seriously willing to bet you’re IQ is somewhere less than 100. They do now have doctors that may be able to treat your condition of complete ignorance and naiveness. Good luck in your quest Rodent. I’ll be on tomorow, when I’m sure there will be a hundred or so posts from you that say a lot, but mean nothing. Grow up Rodent.
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Mark1 @ 13:
From bunny huggers everywhere:
Go fuck yourself!
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Mark1
When you masturbate, do you think of George Bush in his flight jacket or Dick Cheney in his hunting camo? -
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Mark1: That was said by other blog sites. Furball is a blathering idiot. I kind of liked him when he was bragging about his bestiality. He had an excuse. Now he has none.
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Proud Leftist: You masturbate to Nancy Pelosi & Hillary Clinton?
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MWS @ 17:
Unlike you, who masturbates to Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert and Tom DeLay.
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952
off topic, but still in with the technology talk…
found an interesting website…http://www.therealgeoffsimpson.com
more nasty republican dirty tricks.
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953
geez, bad day for libruls…
stock market at another record high. oil down. gas down.
polls even tighter and more doubtful about kooks taking over.
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MTR: Moonbats have the cure for what ails society: Hot air direct from Nancy Pelosi’s San Franfreako’s ass!
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955
Carl and His Left Foot: Are you projecting again?
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Mark @ 21:
Gee, another bad day for WingNuts. They continue to slide in the polls across the board. Looks more likely that the Senate is going to fall too. Enjoy enjoy your day. The tidal wave of change is coming. How long can you tread water. HEHEHE
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MWS @ 23:
I am projecting a huge Republican defeat. That is all I am projecting. Enjoy, the next two weeks.
We are taking our damn country back.
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MTR at 21: I was wondering when you were going to bring up the stock market. When it gets to the point where the DJIA is getting at least an 8% average return for each of the six years Bush has been in office, then I will get excited. Until then, it’s still losing money. If this is the Republican’s idea of a good return on investment, they have lost all claim any business common sense.
By the way, the Saudis decreased production over the weekend, but gas prices fell anyway. In the past prices at the pump would jump within 24 hours of such an announcement, and the oil companies would just say “supply and demand”, and deny there was any collusion. So if the market is currently being governed by supply and demand, why are prices continuing to fall in the face of production cuts? I’ve never before believed in the “oil company conspiracy” theories, but this year is making me a believer.
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959
At this rate, gas prices will be below $2.00 sometime on Nov. 6th. But on the morning of Nov. 8th, they will shoot upwards again. The oil companies will argue “supply and demand”, and come up with some excuse about some refinery going down for maintenance or something similar, but if it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk…..
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960
So Moonbats I ask again, if you fail in this November 2006 quest and don’t get either or neither house, what does that say for your message:
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961
W’s Google moment reminds me of this father’s WAY OUT OF TOUCH moment where – at a technology trade show – Bush 41 appeared amazed at seeing a demonstration of a common supermarket scanner.
I wonder if Mark the Redneck is going to start bragging about his fake mansion, phony degrees and made-up trophy wife again soon?
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962
Bush inherited the CLinton recession, and then we got hit. Because of the tax cuts and having a leader that The People could trust, confidence was restored and it began growing again.
With kooks in charge who want to raise taxes, it will certainly spin the economy into a slowdown or recession. With dems also being weak on security, we’ll be wide open to attack again. So in 08, The People will elect Republicans again because we’re the only ones with the brains to do the job.
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963
How can you trust a moonbat like Pelosi when she calls DCCC Rahm Emanuel her Field Marshall?
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964
Gee, another bad day for MTR. He remains delusional and resistant to medication. His paranoia concerning the progressive direction in which this nation is headed continues to preclude him from acknowledging any sort of reality. The few times he approaches sanity, he knocks down peach margaritas until he chokes on his own puke, curled naked around a toilet in a public men’s room. Not a pretty sight. Not even for MWS, who generally fucks anyone who can spew fascist rhetoric.
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965
what’s the deal all of a sudden with talk of obama running for prez? has screamin’ dean decided that TSWITW is unelectable?
do any of you know where I can get one of those Boxer/Obama bumper stickers? I crack up laughing every time I see one of those.
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Sorry Mark, but I do know where you can get “I’m a douchebag” bumpersticker. That way I can laugh everytime I see you.
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MWS
Rahm Emanuel fights back. That is something the Democrats have needed to do for a long time. Nancy Pelosi is so much smarter than Denny Hastert that it ain’t funny. I think I hear the adults, the patriots, and the sane returning to leadership in Washington, -
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MTR: “Bush inherited the CLinton recession, and then we got hit. Because of the tax cuts and having a leader that The People could trust, confidence was restored and it began growing again.”
Clinton recession???? Trust and Confidence in Bush??????
Please, stop it, it hurts to laugh so much!!!!
Republican revisionism at work. They haven’t even waited to lose the next election, and they are trying to find a Democrat to blame all their failures upon. Jimmy Carter also inhererited a recession, inflation, budget deficits, ect., but I didn’t see any Republicans arguing that they should have waited two more years for a turn-around in the economy. As for Bush, he inherited a budget surplus and turned it into record deficits over mutliple years in no time flat. So much for fiscal responsiblity!!!!!!
But seriously, who tell you these things? Surely even you don’t believe that Bush’s economic failures are the fault of Clinton!!! After all, Republicans have been in control of Congress for fourteen years, and the Presidency for six!!!! Where is that vaunted “individual responsiblity” that Republicans claim that they exercise, refusing to blame others for their own mistakes??????
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969
sence most of what comes out of bushes mouth sound like goo goo gaa gaa im nt suprised he is atracted to google.
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970
New market high!! Congratulations to President Bush [BTW, over 60% of American families own equities, directly or indirectly!] For those of you Dem libs who don’t, fuck you!!
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Nancy “Nip/Tuck” Pelosi is a San Francisco communist!!
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come back to my stall MTR. Just like old times. Democratic House and Senate and a very lame duck hick in the oval orifice
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She is not buttnutz im a COMMUNIST and she us never at any of the meeting . so there .
Why don’t you shut up and go back to beating your wife and kids and kicking your dog around the house and leave us normal people alone.
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974
oh and when the stock market crashes please don’t hesitate to jump out of the highes building your can just try not to hit any good real god loving demercrats in your patheted exit stage right…
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975
33 – Pay your fucking gambling debt to Goldy.
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976
Socialist, What if workers in the private sector refuse to have 30, 40, or 50% of thier incomes taken in taxes to support publuc “guvment” hacks? What if the private sector workers just “quit”? Atlas has Shrugged, “The Socialist”!!!
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Socialist, What if workers in the private sector refuse to have 30, 40, or 50% of their incomes taken in taxes [FED/STATE/FICA/CITY/PROPERTY/SALES/INDIRECT] to support public “guvment” employee hacks? What if the private sector workers just “quit”? Atlas has Shrugged, “The Socialist”!!!
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DETROIT (Reuters) – Ford Motor Co. (F) on Monday posted a quarterly loss of $5.8 billion — its largest loss in 14 years [………….Watch the Democrat UAW drive FORD into “BK”!! This is kind of tough to blame on those “evil, greedy shareholders”!!
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979
hey ass wipe why don’t we just out sources all the privet sector jobs and in port smart people from other country’s to do the work of the rest we can’t out source for 1/2 the money were paying them how does that grab you .
Oh what a minute you ass holes are all ready doing that that never mind..
go back to beating your wife will you …..
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Report: U.S. Army translator kidnapped. [………………..OK, Nuke one Mooooooooslim city a day until the soldier is returned, starting with the largest cities in Iran. Then Syria. Perhaps Mecca? Anyway, I figure after 4 or 5 Moooooooooslim cities are turned to glass, the young man will be returned unharmed.]
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geez, bad day for libruls…
stock market at another record high. oil down. gas down.
polls even tighter and more doubtful about kooks taking over.
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/23/06@ 5:05 pm
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How’s that? Under Clinton the stock market went up double digits practically every year, and under Bush it has gone up under 2%. Not to mention the Nasdaq is less than 50% of where it got under Clinton’s leadersip. I get a better return off my checking account interest than in dow tracking stocks, and this after Bush cut the dividend tax in half. Just another disaster. As far as gas prices go, everyone with an IQ in double digits know the oil companies control the price of gas, and they are trying to help Republicans, because they can. After the election gas will go straight back up. Wanna bet? Of course the oil companies want Republisleazes to keep control of congress. How else are they gonna get them billions in tax breaks, environmental regulation ignoring, and lowering of fees they pay to drill on federal land to the tune of 12 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!
If I had a dollar for every GOP talking point I turn into sawdust, I could buy a Senate seat…
Anyone that still think the Republicans have done a good job running our country belongs on a funny farm in permanent pajamas.
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982
Hey wingnuts. I just can’t wait till Abramoff gets done telling all, and we start locking up all the corrupt Republicans. By the time the investigations are over, there will be no Republican Party. Unless of course they are thinking of running elections from their prison cells.
I know, I know. The more corrupt they are, and the more they lie, the more you support them. That is the difference between me, and you wingnuts.
I think people that commit crimes against our constitution, and the American People belong behind bars, and you think they belong in congress.
I see a 500 foot high wave of pissed off Americans coming to vote your lying, torturing, corrupt, criminal sleazebags out of office on Nov 7th.
To support Republicans these days you would have to be certifiably insane!
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983
It’s all hype — this stock market crap. And it has nothing to do with rampant Republican child abuse in Congress. The people voting our way way don’t give a flying farthing about the “stock market”!!!
They’re just wondering why they don’t have affordable health insurance. No Republican talking point can provide that. But a vote for Democrats can.
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984
Listen to the wise headless one she is right
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985
Antic road show in briton is on CH. 9 it’s Brilliant
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986
I think we should call up the queen and say we were terribly wrong and we just can’t handle things on our own and ask politely to be allowed to re join the UK
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987
New Briton sounds kind of kewl
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988
our we could just become part of canida and have the goverment run the contry and get ride of these nasty congressmen and sentors and what not
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I think we should give Texas back to the mexicans and deport bush and channy right away
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990
Socialist, Perhaps you would be more comfortable in Cuba, or North Korea. Both have state run medical programs. Enjoy!
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“I think we should give Texas back to the mexicans”
Commentby The Socialist [We could call it the “Hillary Village Of Baja Norte”!] -
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Attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Due to the longer length of your November General Election ballot, additional postage is required, 63 cents total.
Ballots without postage can be dropped off at any polling location on November 7.
Don’t forget the extra postage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Turn Over for Chinese??????????????????????
For you folks that don’t or can’t is that two stamps or three????????????????????
How much does a stamp cost if you do not use the mail service????????????????
Now if you don’t pay the extra postage will the County pay the extra postage?????????????
The US Post Office sends all mail to the dead letter office down south, when will the ballot return?????????????
Did you write your return address on the outside of the envelope, will the post office personnel open it, and does that invalided the ballot??????????????????????
Does this disenfranchise the poor because they can’t afford the stamp???????????????????????????
Will they be stamps in the War zone for the military to mail their ballot????????????????????
First did the ballot show up in time so they can vote this time around??????????????????????
Now with bad weather will the pony express get the ballots get to county without soaking wet and smudge???????????????????????????????????
After all the ballots return will they be lost in someone’s in basket and show up on the third recount?????????????
Folks one thing is for sure 70% of the people in this state believes their ballot will be counted. The present bunches of Socialist Democrats are doing nothing to improved their perspective on this matter. Now that is what happens when you appoint a Governor and not elect one. Now these same folks will cry because they didn’t read the attachment to their ballot extra postage and want another election. -
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Folks one thing is for sure 70% of the people in this state believes their ballot will NOT be counted.
Facts Support My Positions
Don’t want to give bad info to my friends. Thanks -
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For you folks that don’t or can’t read is that two stamps or three????????????????????
Grammar error; funny Ha ha ha -
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Will 400 Democrats be voting with a “home address” on the fourth floor in some King County Downtown State “guvment” building again? “Gotsa keep those mofo Democrat votes rollin in”!!!
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“This is, in theory still a free country, but our politically correct, censorious times are such that many of us tremble to give vent to perfectly acceptable views for fear of condemnation.
Freedom of speech is thereby imperiled, big questions go undebated, and great lies become accepted, unequivocally as great truths.”
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kkklake, most regulars skip to the end of excessive posts and when we see your nazi nick we just skip it
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kkklake, most regulars skip to the end of excessive posts and when we see your nazi nick we just skip it
Commentby Mr Ed— 10/23/06@ 8:25 pm
Mr Ed are you eating corn or oats today in the barn?
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999
Goldy you friend made the papers today and you made no comments about the complaint?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ens23.html
Justice Susan Owens pulls out of debate
By RACHEL LA CORTE
The Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. – Justice Susan Owens pulled out of the sole state Supreme Court debate on Monday, just hours before she was to face off with state Sen. Stephen Johnson, citing concern that one of the moderators had donated to her opponent’s campaign.
The Monday debate was sponsored at the College Club in Seattle by the Downtown Seattle Republican Club. Owens’ campaign sent out an e-mail saying that “we do not feel that it will be a level playing field.”
Enlisted as moderators were Stefan Sharkansky, a conservative blogger for soundpolitics.com, and Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Joel Connelly.
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Goldy why are you running ads for Jim McDermott on your web site? Why do your friends beat up on Republicans about their sins, and you all embrace this chap that supported Saddam’s war efforts? Now is Jimmy your new Icon for the Socialist Democrat Party, and you all now embrace everything he stands for today? Goldy when is he going to pay up his debt?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....tt29m.html
WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott violated federal law by turning over an illegally taped telephone call to reporters nearly a decade ago.
In a 2-1 opinion, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that McDermott violated the rights of House Majority Leader John Boehner, who was heard on the 1996 call involving former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
The court ordered McDermott to pay Boehner more than $700,000 for leaking the taped conversation. The figure includes $60,000 in damages and more than $600,000 in legal costs.
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Folks one thing is for sure 70% of the people in this state believes their ballot will NOT be counted.
Facts Support My Positions
Don’t want to give bad info to my friends. ThanksCommentby klake— 10/23/06@ 8:03 pm
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Hi Klake.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6264215/
Klake don’t click on this link.
Especially don’t click on this link.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contr.....06219.html
John Kerry may have won by up to 8 million votes if you go by the exit polls.
Al Gore won Florida beyond a shadow of a doubt in 2000 also.
I know it is hard to face reality.
We both probably agree we should have paper ballots that can be recounted and verified 100%.
I will make you a deal. We can re-run the Governor’s election in Washington, and the Presidential elecion in Ohio. We will let everyone vote this time and count every vote. Gregoire will win, and so will Kerry.
Sorry Charlie….
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Oops another one Klake.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040517/palast
I have links to my opinions……
Oh by the way, what have you to say about the 16 spy agencies that all agree our invasion of Iraq is only fueling more terrorism?
I call it pouring gasoline on the fires of hatred.
Maybe if we kill another 100,000 innocent muslims, the other billion will hate us less huh?
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Commentby Facts Support My Positions@73
I thought you libs resereved drinking liberally for thursdays… Glad yo see you are flying high tonite. (by the way I can assure you the dope you smoked tonite is full strenth) Get a grip and go to bed, sleep it off and you might be able to see clearly in the morn. -
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Folks are the statement below true or not? You all know you can’t believe a word you read on the web these days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiberalismCultural liberalism focuses on the rights of individuals pertaining to conscience and lifestyle, including such issues as sexual freedom, religious freedom, cognitive freedom, and protection from government intrusion into private life. John Stuart Mill aptly expressed cultural liberalism in his essay “On Liberty,” when he wrote, “The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant.” Cultural liberalism generally opposes government regulation of literature, art, academics, gambling, sex, prostitution, abortion, birth control, terminal illness, alcohol, and marijuana and other controlled substances. Most liberals oppose some or all government intervention in these areas. The Netherlands, in this respect, may be the most liberal country in the world today.
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I will make you a deal. We can re-run the Governor’s election in Washington, and the Presidential elecion in Ohio. We will let everyone vote this time and count every vote. Gregoire will win, and so will Kerry.
Sorry Charlie….
Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 10/23/06@ 9:12 pm
If we recounted elimanating the illegal votes and making sure the military got their votes counted Bush would have won by 4 milion and Rossi would have won the first count by at least 10,000 or more. The dems will never get serious about voter fraud because it would cost them too many votes. The fact that they are against a voter ID is all the evidence you need. The facts support may position. hehe
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Facts Support My Positions
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” Commentby Facts Support My Positions@73
I thought you libs resereved drinking liberally for thursdays… Glad yo see you are flying high tonite. (by the way I can assure you the dope you smoked tonite is full strenth) Get a grip and go to bed, sleep it off and you might be able to see clearly in the morn.Commentby Chuck— 10/23/06@ 9:21 pm ”
So 16 spy agencies did not say the Iraq war was fueling terrorism? Gosh, I quit drinking a long time ago. I suggest you lay off the Kool-Aid.
All those experts must have gotten it wrong.
I am sure that fewer people hate America now than when Bush took office right?
Our military is in better shape?
Go ahead and call me a liberal. I am actually more of a conservative, and a problem solver. Don’t mistake conservative for Jesus Freak though. The American Taliban is not conservative, they are insane.
I would rather be called a liberal and have all facts support my positions, than have to lie to myself, and support PROVEN liars, cowards, and traitors.
We may never recover from the damage Bush, and his Republican lap dogs have done to our great nation. The sooner redstate retards figure out they have been duped, lied to, ripped off, abused, and had their children slaughtered in an insane war, the better for us all.
By the way, Bush never told Cindy Sheehan what the “noble cause” her son died for was…..
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I feel sorry for the wingnuts that come here and post. They type in their lies, and GOP talking points, and us “reality based” people prove them wrong over, and over, and over.
It must suck if no facts support your ideology.
The Republican Party stands for few things. They are greed, hate, and power. Nothing more. As far as Republicans caring for your sorry ass, if you are not a billionare good luck.
Time to make our government responsible to the people, not the Ken Ley’s of this world.
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If the dems got serious about voter fraud then the schemes of having thousands of voters voting multiple times through provisional ballots like in Cleveland, Ohio would not be possible. The dems would lose seats in pleces like California,Michigan,Missouri,Pennsylvania,New York,Wisconsin ect ect ect.
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Maybe if we kill another 100,000 innocent muslims, the other billion will hate us less huh?
Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 10/23/06@ 9:14 pm
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Maybe if you libs kiss 100,000 moslem asses the other billion will love us. Keep at it, you have a few thousand to go. -
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Oh by the way, what have you to say about the 16 spy agencies that all agree our invasion of Iraq is only fueling more terrorism?
I call it pouring gasoline on the fires of hatred.
Maybe if we kill another 100,000 innocent Muslims, the other billion will hate us less huh?
Comment by Facts Support My Positions— 10/23/06@ 9:14 pm
Mr. Facts Have you been in the Middle East? I have and there is nothing you can do to make those folks love you no matter what you say to them. Terrorism has been in that part of the world since the beginning of time and that is how they settle their differences. Today they can export their hatred and fear like oil that runs this country industry. Not pouring gasoline on them will not prevent them from fueling more terrorism. That would be like asking the Mexicans not to swim the Rio Grande and keep their drugs and gangs at home. The one thing you do not understand about killing people they don’t like to show up for the party if they are the one’s dying. Every night they show up to the same spot in Kandahar and they all lost their lives. Many days later they quite showing up could you explain why? -
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Dear HA. ORG Democrats, Thank you for your contribution to the DNC. . Each year, tens of thousands of people from across the country make the decision to support the Party and Democratic candidates. Today you stood up and added not only to the Party’s available resources, but to the larger sense of community and civic responsibility that we as Democrats stand for.
As part of that community, a Democratic donor agreed to match your contribution today. Their information appears below, and you have the opportunity to send a message to the person who is matching you. If you like, you can exchange information and build a longer-lasting relationship — or, you can move on without sending a message at all.
Again, thank you for your support.
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Osama Bin Laden in PakistanA message to you from the person who matched your contribution:
With Democrats in charge of the Congress, America will run like dogs from Iraq. What a glorious day for jihad that will be! Defeat the infidels. Vote Democratic in ’06! [hehe, JCH] -
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I hear the google can be found on the internets.
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That is right Carl. I should know because I, Al Gore, invented the internets.
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Did I mention you can also find reviews of books like “Love Story”. Excuse me,I think its time for me to stick my tongue down Tippers throat.
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re 71: What do you expect! You’re trying to unseat her with a Johnson!
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Goldy and Gang the National Guard is now monitoring websites, blogs and now yours has been visited many times. Why do we like checking out your website, and who are the persons of interest? Remember folks to vote in November for we need great leaders even though you don’t like who was elected. Now Ron Sims please count all the military votes this year for they protect this country, and pay higher prices doing that job since some of your friends refuse to participate.
Guard Monitors Websites and Blogs
Week of October 23, 2006
Ten members of a Virginia National Guard unit may be watching your website or blog. The Manassas-based Virginia Data Processing Unit has activated a team in July for one year to scan official and unofficial Army Websites for operational security violations. The team, which works under the direction of the Army Web Risk Assessment Cell, Army Office of Information Assurance and Compliance (AWRAC), notifies webmasters and blog writers when they find documents, pictures and other items that may compromise security. For more on AWRAC or to request a courtesy scan of a blog, go to the team’s Website on Army Knowledge Online.
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Why is it only Republicans are in favor of having no paper trail?
It’s fucking obvious. If I had the time I would just re-post this after every piece of crap you print, klake, until it reverberates in your empty head.
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Why is it only Republicans are in favor of having no paper trail?
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Why is it only Republicans are in favor of having no paper trail?
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Why is it only Republicans are in favor of having no paper trail?
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I’m waiting, klake.
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Why is it only Republicans are in favor of having no paper trail?
It’s fucking obvious. If I had the time I would just re-post this after every piece of crap you print, klake, until it reverberates in your empty head.
Commentby headless lucy— 10/23/06@ 10:20 pm
Sweet Lucy hugs and kisss please love me you sweet thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paper trail who is running this state sweet hart the Socialist Democrats are, and have been doing it for years. You got a problem go slobber in their ear please.
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1024
Klake, I am not saying that bringing a better future to these people, and ours is going to be easy. It will require sacrifice, reason, treasure, toughness, tenderness, allies, and diplomacy. Our current government only understands murder, and dishonesty. This murder is only making matters worse.
These people hate us. On this we both agree. I am probably the only one that will discuss the real reasons why……
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So Jeff Skilling got sentenced to 24 years in don’t-drop-the-soap land. I see the Feds have fitted his leg with one of those electronic-house-arrest thingies so he can’t run off and “die” in East Bumfuck Noplace where the cops and the coroner have no idea what he looks like.
Looks like Kenny Boy’s going to have that tropical paradise all to himself.
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“May I suggest getting a life?”
No. God has the exclusive franchise on that.
“How many hours a day do you obsessively spend on this site?”
0
“You’re so pathetic it is really rather entertaining.”
Is this a question? If so, what is the question.
“I can tell that you are a very insecure, angry little man”
I’m a rabbit, idiot!
“you lack self-confidence and wit”
Do you have a license to practice clinical psychology? If not, you’re breaking the law.
“I’d bet never very socially accepted”
I don’t make bets with wingnuts until the money is put in escrow. Send cash to Goldy, then we’ll talk about this some more.
“or popular with the fairer sex”
I’m very popular with Democratic women, and even more popular with female rabbits in heat.
“You desire to be intelligent”
Not really. I took what God gave me, for better or worse. (shrug)
“and you try very hard”
no, I’m lazy as hell
“but in the end your delusional rants”
Rants yes, deluded no, I know all too well the realities of wingnut lying, stealing, and moral abdiction.
“consist mostly of nothing more than Republican bashing”
I occasionally manage to insert some factual material, and once in a while a smidgeon of reasoned analysis, but I try not to stray too far from Republican bashing.
“while offering no ideas or solutions of your own”
That’s true. I’m kind of a middleman for the ideas of people smarter than me. After all, I’m only a fucking rabbit, and I wasn’t designed to invent things, run a government, or come up with brilliant policy solutions to human problems. I have only one important function, which is MAKING MORE RABBITS!!!
“The long posts of HAR HAR HAR”
Reading comments on HA is a voluntary activity. If you’re stupid enough to spend all night reading
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then I’ll keep posting it! After all, I only had to type “HAR” only once, and after that it was all copy and paste.
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“and living in your childish bunny-world”
I’m extremely proud of the fact I don’t aspire to live in a vicious world of war, murder, torture, stealing, lying, and all the other shit that heartless wingnuts like you slobberingly condone and defend. Better to be a cartoon character than a selfish, greedy, inhuman prick.
“when your just a nobody”
I’m extremely comfortable with that. Thank God I don’t have any responsibilities!
“juvenille and immature view on the world”
How’s this for a juvenile and immature view of the world: If you don’t support George W. Bush and his fucked up war, you’re unpatriotic and support terrorists. Now that’s what I call juvenile and immature. There isn’t a wingnut alive that doesn’t have a juvenile and immature view of the world. And you’re lecturing ME about juvenile and immature? Go fuck yourself.
“I’d also be seriously willing to bet you’re IQ is somewhere less than 100.”
That still makes me the smartest rabbit on the planet. That’s why the rabbits elected me to be their king. After you humans have self-destructed, rabbits will rule!!! And I’ll be their king!!! Me, Roger Rabbit, King of the World!!! and what are you, a big fat nothing, a zero, a wingnut fuckstick with his head stuck so far up his ass you can see out of your nasal passages.
“They do now have doctors that may be able to treat your condition of complete ignorance and naiveness.”
You don’t need a doctor. Your condition can be simply and quickly cured by jumping off a bridge. Hey, just kidding! I don’t want you to do that. It’s too quick. I’d rather see you suffer a slow and painful death — I know!!! How about if they arrest you as a “suspected terrorist” and pull your fingernails out until you start telling them what they want to hear. Just make shit up as you go along. You’re good at that.
“Good luck in your quest Rodent.”
Luck has nothing to do with it.
“I’ll be on tomorow”
Too bad. I was hoping you’d fucking die by then — hey, just kidding!!! See comment above.
“when I’m sure there will be a hundred or so posts from you”
Reading HA comment threads is a voluntary activity.
“that say a lot, but mean nothing.”
All of my comments mean the same thing: Go screw yourself, Republican!!!
“Grow up Rodent.”
Not necessary. My present height is adequate. As Lincoln said, a rabbit’s legs only need to be long enough to reach the ground.
Anything else? Any questions?
Commentby Mark1— 10/23/06@ 4:39 pm
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Our current government only understands murder, and dishonesty. This murder is only making matters worse.
These people hate us. On this we both agree. I am probably the only one that will discuss the real reasons why……
Commentby Facts Support My Positions
Right now Sunny I’m only concern about the bad guy and the people I support. I do not have time to deal with useful idiots who are at home hiding behind mommies’ skirt. You want to make a deference go vote but do not dispose the vote that our soldiers make because you think they are the root cause to your failures. I have worn this uniform since 1966, and during that time I have done what the President has ordered without question. There was only one President who was way off mark and that was Jimmy Carter. Now you might find this hard to take so wipe your snotty nose on your mother’s apron. No President has murdered, shown dishonesty, while they were in office, well maybe I might be stretching the dishonesty a bit. One President resigned, one was impeached and one you will be hard to prove he lied when all the evidence is submitted -
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Post #13 kinda makes you wonder my Mark1 reads my comments, doesn’t it?
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Yeah, you’re right about my being involved in bestiality. I fucked your wife.
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Post #13 kinda makes you wonder my Mark1 reads my comments, doesn’t it?
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 10/23/06@ 10:48 pm
Roger you really love yourself!!!!!!! To bad your mother is not here to enjoy your success.
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Either pay your gambling debt or stay the fuck off Goldy’s web site, freeloader.
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Speaking of “juvenile and immature,” check out #22.
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Aren’t you counting your chickens before they hatch? Or do you know something about the voting machines we don’t?
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“Bush inherited the CLinton recession” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/23/06@ 5:25 pm
You’re lying about that, just like you lied when you said tax cuts always increase revenue! The recession started in March 2001. Whooooo was in office in March 2001?
“With kooks in charge who want to raise taxes, it will certainly spin the economy into a slowdown or recession.” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/23/06@ 5:25 pm
Bush has already raised taxes. It’s called the Bush Inflation Tax. That’s the tax you pay when a fiscally reckless Congress cuts taxes while increasing spending. You pay it every time you go into the supermarket.
Bush inherited the CLinton recession, and then we got hit. Because of the tax cuts and having a leader that The People could trust, confidence was restored and it began growing again.
“With dems also being weak on security, we’ll be wide open to attack again.” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/23/06@ 5:25 pm
Whooooo was in charge when 9/11 happened? Whooooo ignored the warnings of imminent terrorist attacks? Whooooo blocked dozens of funding appropriations for Homeland Security?
Bush inherited the CLinton recession, and then we got hit. Because of the tax cuts and having a leader that The People could trust, confidence was restored and it began growing again.
“The People will elect Republicans again because we’re the only ones with the brains to do the job.” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/23/06@ 5:25 pm
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me! Yes, there’s still some fools out there … but not enough to save your lying skin! The only thing you scumbags have left is Diebold.
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Don’t forget, MTR belongs to the same party that claims Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican.
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JCH, as a Republican, I’m sure you’re very proud of the fact that Cubans have better medical care than 45 million Americans do.
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“We both probably agree we should have paper ballots that can be recounted and verified 100%.” Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 10/23/06@ 9:12 pm
Actually, we do have paper ballots, and they WERE hand counted and verified 100% — except in Yakima and Snohomish counties, which used paperless electronic voting machines in 2004.
Although the original count and first recount were performed by Accu-Vote machines, voters in the other 37 counties did vote by marking paper ballots, and those ballots WERE hand counted in the manual recount — twice. Once by a counter appointed by the Democrats, and once by a counter appointed by the Republicans. If their tallies didn’t agree, the count was thrown out and they started over. If it still didn’t agree, that precinct was taken away from them and given to a different counting team.
Here in King County, every single ballot was counted by at least three different counting teams, and many were counted up to six or seven times. There is no way that count was off by even one vote.
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If the election was stolen in King County, the Republicans have no one to blame except their own observers and counters. But it wasn’t stolen. The GOP claims of election fraud were tested in court, before their hand-picked Republican judge in their hand-picked Republican County, and after spending two weeks in trial and $2 million in legal fees, Rossi had 4 votes of his votes thrown out as fraudulent, Gregoire none. Read ’em and weep, klake. Your guy lost. He’s a fucking crybaby, and so are you.
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Gregoire will be re-elected in 2008. Easily. She’s doing a great job. She’s well over 50% in current polls.
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Another lying wingnut pretending to be a Democrat. No further comment merited.
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You kissed Bush’s ass, but he doesn’t love YOU. He wants to steal your Social Security.
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I’m glad SOMEBODY loves me, klake! Too bad nobody loves you.
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Hmmm, klake’s not here anymore, must be past his bedtime.
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“The White House said Monday that President Bush was no longer using the phrase “stay the course” when speaking about the Iraq war, in a new effort to emphasize flexibility in the face of some of the bloodiest violence there since the 2003 invasion.”
Flexibility? I thought it was ‘stay the course’ versus ‘cut and run’. One or the other. Who heard of ‘flexibility’? That sounds so friggin’ John Kerry. Bush has turned into John Kerry! Magic.
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The stock market is now 9% over where it was in 2000. Ca, you hear the Bush Boom?
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Earlier today, the American Jewish Committee (AJC) released its 2006 Annual Survey of American Jewish Opinion showing that the number of Jewish voters identifying themselves as Democrats has increased from 48 percent to 54 percent since the last mid-term election in 2002. At the same time, the number of Jewish voters identifying themselves as Republicans has decreased from 18 percent in 2002 to 15 percent in 2006.
Gee, maybe that whole “Jewish voters will leave the Democratic Party because Joe Lieberman lost the primary” was jsut another GOP crock of shit. Of course it was! As long as the Democratic Party continues to fight for progressive issues that Jewish voters support, such as civil rights, civil liberties, education, the environment, and so on, Jewish voters are going to support the Democratic Partyregardless of the empty rhetoric of the Bush administration on terrorism and Israel.
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Whops…that link should have been http://www.ajc.org/
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New CNN poll:
“63 percent of poll respondents said they believed Democrats could provide strong leadership, compared to just 49 percent who expressed confidence that the GOP would keep a firm hand on the wheel.”
And the Republican “advantage” on terrorism? Um, nope.
“When asked whether each party could protect the United States, the results for Democrats and Republicans were identical and positive, with 59 percent saying yes and 38 percent saying no.
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Didn’t the moonbats say it is the economy stupid earlier this year?
This is why I like IBD: They cut through the lib MSMS bullshit and tell it straight.
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101: The only thing you fuck are the fantasies in your alcohol laden mind.
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121 (will change) MWS
In an editorial. How like you. Can’t you gather your own facts and comment cogently upon them instead of relying on professional Republican talking heads to say them fro you?
Anyway, the other day as I was looking through international financial pages tracking down that Raymond James analyst quote, it looked to me like it is not just “many Americans” who think that we’re on “the verge of recession.”
Unfortunately, the likelihood of recession IS a mtter of opinion and not fact. But it is a widely held opinion.
http://www.canada.com/national.....38;k=84992
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/8ffc11.....e2340.html
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/140414/
http://www.321gold.com/editori.....01106.html
— From John William’s Shadow Government Statistics we learn that “The broad outlook for a deepening inflationary recession remains in place. Confirming the extremely bleak employment picture, the August help wanted advertising index dropped to 31, from 32 in July, and from 34 in June. The August level is the lowest reading since April 1961.” I gasp! 1961?
— “Risks of recession continuing to rise, economy is slowing, showing warning flags” says Will Deener of the Dallas Morning News. He reports that “new-car sales are down about 5 percent from a year ago. This has happened six times over the past 40 years, and in every instance the economy was either lapsing into recession or already in recession.”
…James Stack, a market historian and editor of InvesTech Research hears us talking about this recession stuff, and adds “Not one recession in the past 50 years was forecast in advance by a major poll of economic forecasters“, but that the inversion of the yield curve did, and that “The yield curve shows an 88 percent probability of a recession beginning sometime between now and the end of next year.“
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I had a chance to sleep overnight, and yet I’m still laughing at MTR’s comment, praising Bush for the DJIA finally rising slightly above Jan. 2001 levels (when Bush took office).
It occurs to me that we finally see a stock market rally two weeks before the Congressional election, and then only when it becomes clear that the Democrats are going to take back the House of Representatives, and perhaps even the Senate.
Perhaps the professional money managers think that perhaps it might becoming safe to invest their money in this country again?
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” You want to make a deference go vote but do not dispose the vote that our soldiers make because you think they are the root cause to your failures. ”
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Klake, I never said the soldiers are the root cause.
Our foreign policy (which is by the way what “they” say is the problem) is based on one thing, and one thing only. To make the ruling class richer. Doing what it would take to make the “whole” world a better place is out of the question. Greed runs the show. The problem is the fact that there are BILLIONS on this planet that have no hope for the future, and want to do something about the people standing on their heads.
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I have a suggestion Klake. Turn on AM1090. Listen to Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartman, and Ed Schultz for a couple weeks. Once you hear what your Republican Party is actually doing to our country, you will be able to come into the light, and live in the “reality based” world once again.
I appreciate your service, and your willingness to protect “my” right to voice my opinion. Our troubles are not caused by soldiers, but by their leaders. I wouldn’t actually call Bush a leader……
Just remember, when Clinton left office respect for America by muslims was at an amazing level. Remember Kosovo? Most muslims would not have a problem with the US and their allies taking a reality based path to reducing islamic and other terrorists with reality based policies, and actions.
Instead of trying to rid the world of hate filled killers like Al Queda, Bush, and his partners in crime wanted to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent muslims in Iraq.
The fact that almost every person living on this planet opposed this invasion of Iraq mattered nothing to Bush, and his lying friends.
The fact that we want to steal their resources, and support their tyrants, is the problem. As far as “they” are concerned, we are the terrorists.
Get it?
There are a lot of people living on this planet that don’t want the companies, and powerful sleazebags that running our country running theirs.
In a Republican’s mind “America” can do no wrong. They haven’t got a clue as to solving problems, because they can’t even see the problem.
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JCH, as a Republican, I’m sure you’re very proud of the fact that Cubans have better medical care than 45 million Americans do.
Commentby Roger Rabbit […Yes, That’s why millions of black Americans are swimming to Cuba each year!! Total bull shit]
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Former Vice President Al Gore appeared in Berkeley on Monday to lend his celebrity and reputation as a crusader against global warming to a measure on California’s Nov. 7 ballot that would tax oil companies to raise $4 billion for green energy projects.
His motorcade also included three motorcycles, two limousines and a Dodge Ram 1500 light duty truck. […………………………………….Raise taxes on the oil companies. Gee, I wonder what that will do to the price of a gallon of gas? Stupid liberals!]
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Oct. 23, 2006 – In April, 1975, in an issue mostly taken up with stories about the collapse of the American-backed government of South Vietnam, NEWSWEEK published a small back-page article about a very different kind of disaster. Citing “ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically,” the magazine warned of an impending “drastic decline in food production.” Political disruptions stemming from food shortages could affect “just about every nation on earth.” Scientists urged governments to consider emergency action to head off the terrible threat of . . . well, if you had been following the climate-change debates at the time, you’d have known that the threat was: Global COOLING!!!! [……………………………………………………………………………….Classic liberal bull shit. ANYTHING for liberals to acquire power.]
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@94 Roger Rodent:
That’s all you got for a comeback? Hhhmmmm…..you just proved all my points. Now go flail your arms around and rant your delusions on your way to the payday loans office. Good luck to you Rodent.
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People in the good state of Missouri need photo identification to cash a check, board a plane or apply for food stamps. But the state Supreme Court has ruled that a photo ID requirement to vote is too great a burden on the elderly and the poor. Go figure.
Public polls consistently show that an overwhelming majority of Americans–regardless of age, race, ethnicity or socioeconomic status–favor voter ID laws. And nearly half of the nation’s states have passed them. Yet a string of recent court decisions has blocked their implementation in some places, thus siding with Democrats and liberal special interest groups who would rather turn a blind eye to voter fraud.
Missouri’s dispute shows what’s at stake and why the laws are under attack. The state passed its new voting requirements in May in response to problems at the polls in 2000 and 2004, and the IDs were made available at no charge. The law was to be implemented over a two-year period, and people who lacked proper identification would be permitted to cast a provisional vote next month.
Despite these good faith efforts to ensure legitimate ballot access, however, opponents charge that photo ID requirements are overly burdensome and tantamount to a poll tax. The Missouri Democratic Party, which challenged the law, said that while the ID itself is free, the underlying documents–such as a birth certificate–required to obtain the necessary identification cost money. And state judges were sympathetic to the argument.In a 6-1 decision striking down the law as a violation of the state constitution, the Missouri Supreme Court said that requiring the “between 3 and 4 percent of Missourians who lack the requisite photo ID” to obtain one for voting purposes “creates a heavy burden on the fundamental right to vote.” How so? “Specific Missouri voters testified that to acquire the requisite photo ID, at the very least they will have to incur the costs associated with birth certificates, which in Missouri costs $15.”
In his dissenting opinion, Judge Stephen Limbaugh Jr. took issue with the fact that the majority opinion actually played down the existence of vote fraud. “Although the majority agrees that there is some evidence of voter fraud at the voter registration stage, they discount that evidence as if it had no connection with fraud at the polling place,” wrote Judge Limbaugh. “But why else does voter registration fraud occur if not to vote persons fraudulently registered?”
But there’s a reason that Democrat partisans are more interested in raising the specter of Jim Crow than in protecting the integrity of the voting process. And here’s a clue: While the Missouri Supreme Court was preparing its decision earlier this month, the Kansas City Star and St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran front-page stories about the thousands of fraudulent voter registrations submitted by Acorn, a national left-wing group financed in part by organized labor.
According to the Star, Acorn’s voter registration drive generated some 35,000 applications, “but thousands of them appear to be duplicates or contain dubious data.” The report went on to note that “[n]ear the top of the fishy list would be a man named Mark who apparently registered seven times over a three-day period using his mother’s home address and phone number.” Mom told the paper he hadn’t lived there in six years.Acorn and its affiliates have been among the most active and vocal opponents of voter ID laws in Missouri and nationwide. Now we know why.
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Tricky Joe Lieberman. The video needs to be trimmed a bit, but in two minutes, it shows just how vapid the Vichy Democrats – and Tricky Joe, specifically – really are.
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Our Constitution requires voters to be US citizens. A requirement to prove your citizenship is NOT un-Constitutional. [FYI, a birth certificate will provide that proof, along with a picture ID}
However, picture ID’s will make it more difficult for Democtrats to vote multiple times at various locations. Not impossible… just more difficult… That is the only reason why they are vehemently against picture IDs being required to vote.
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re 129: A paper trail would solve that problem.
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14 days to go until we tax the rich white devils to death!!
Raise taxes, RAISE TAXES, RAISE TAXES ON JCH!!!!
I love it.
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-With kooks in charge who want to raise taxes, it will certainly spin the economy into a slowdown or recession.-
Funny, Mark The Redneck. That’s exactly what Limbaugh was saying the day after Clinton beat Bush 41.
Instead we got 8 years of peace and prosperity.
It’s also funny MTR still can’t make a single comment that Limbaugh didn’t make 10 years ago….stuck in a right wing timewarp!
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WASHINGTON – More American Muslims are now supporting the Democratic Party but their votes should not be taken for granted, an Islamic civil rights group said on Tuesday. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, released a poll of 1,000 registered Muslim voters in the United States it said showed the community has changed a great deal since supporting Republicans in 2000. [……..Gee what a fucking surprise! Moooooooooooooooslims for Democrats!!! hehe, JCH]
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re 133: Mohammat? Muhammad? Muhammet? Mohammedans? Moslems? Muslims? The hell with it JCH: Mooooooooooooooooooooslims!!!
Happy now?
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Moooooooooooooooooooooslims! Terrorist Moooooooooooooooooooooslims!! Black Mooooooooooooslims!! Democrat Mooooooooooooooooooooslims!! Raghead Moooooooooooooslims!! Whatever……….All are the enemy and need to be destroyed!!!
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Just remember, when Clinton left office respect for America by muslims was at an amazing level. Remember Kosovo? Most muslims would not have a problem with the US and their allies taking a reality based path to reducing islamic and other terrorists with reality based policies, and actions. Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 10/24/06@ 9:06 am
This boy is truly delusional. So factless feckless one: why did the embassies and the cole get attacked if we were so well liked?
Reality based policies? They want to kill you, burqaize your wife and daughters, have you pray to Allah and honor Mohammed, and burn any girl who engages in premarital sex. Those are your friends not mine!
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All long as Moooooooooooooooooslims vote Democrat, NOTHING will be done to stop terrorist Mooooooooooooooslims!!!
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The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) released a poll of 1,000 registered Moooooooooooooooooooooslim terrorist voters in the United States two weeks before U.S. Congressional elections.
A total of 84 percent of those surveyed said they consider themselves members of the Democratic Party, none say they are Republicans and 16 percent say they do not belong to any party.
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Republicans are Moooooooooslim Terrorists
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I am Republican – I cheat, lie and steal when Im not crying about liberal Democrats and being a family man (at least my girlfriend thinks so). Hail Hitler.
Open thread
Back in the district where I grew up, the slimy Curt Weldon is trying to swift-boat Democratic challenger (and netroots endorsed superstar) Joe Sestak. Well, this is how you respond to a swift-boating:
Man that ad kicks ass. And so does Sestak.
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Republicans are wrong on the issues, period. All the issues. No rational and informed electorate would ever elect them in a real democracy, because their policies give special favors to a tiny minority at the expense of the vast majority. So they deflect attention from how they use political power with personal attacks on their opponents and pumping up issues like gay marriage and Terri Schiavo.
At no time are Republicans more dishonorable than when they attack the military records of people who served. This is utter hypocrisy because these cowards don’t serve themselves. And sometimes they lie about having served when they didn’t — for example, Dan Quayle famously put a “Vietnam Veteran” bumper sicker on his briefcase until veterans’ groups forced him to remove it. Quayle used family influence to get a slot in an Indiana National Guard journalism unit that was already overstaffed in order to avoid the draft and Vietnam. Quayle was never anywhere near Vietnam.
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The ballot arrived in the mail this week. An insert included warned the voter to affix $.63 postage for prorper delivery. This notice was not included on the return envelope. When people put their $.39 on it and drop it into the box, what is going to happen to those ballots with insufficient postage?
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They will be returned to sender by the post office for insufficient postage.
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I get a kick out of the GOP’s mock-outrage at the crude voter suppression attempt by a California GOP candidate, in the form of a letter warning Hispanic voters they could go to jail for voting. Caught red-handed, party officials and office-holders are trying to distance themselves from the candidate and his antics. Even the candidate threw on a hazardous-waste suit — he blamed it on a campaign staffer whom he fired, and claimed he didn’t know anything about it. He’s lying through his teeth.
Who are they kidding. This crap is standard fare from the GOP tactical playbook. It’s been done in numerous elections all over the country. The California candidate and/or his campaign manager didn’t dream this up. There are consultants and companies who cater to Republican campaigns who are set up to do exactly this kind of thing — and they do it, somewhere, in every election.
Lie and deny. Lie and deny. When caught in the cookie jar, blame it on Bill Clinton.
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And these lying assholes wonder why their cries of “voting fraud!” and voter suppression gimmicks like photo ID and requiring everyone to re-register have no credibility — and no traction. Fuck these undemocratic bastards. All this shit proves is even they know they can’t win elections honestly by campaigning on issues and competing with ideas and competent candidates.
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Can any of you trollfucks show me a single case where photo ID would have prevented a fraudulent vote? How many people go to polls impersonating someone else? None. Not a single documented case. Photo ID is a “solution” for a problem that doesn’t exist. The real — and only — purpose of photo ID is to discourage Democratic turnout.
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Well, I think our side should play these games, too! What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander. Gotta fight fire with fire! Why should Republicans have a monopoly on voting suppression? Voters should be required to sign a loyalty oath. Any vote that violates the oath will be thrown out.
Here’s the loyalty oath: “I swear that I’m not a Republican.”
Any voter who votes for a Republican will automatically be deemed disloyal, and his/her ballot will be thrown out. How you like them apples, fascist trolls? Two can play this game.
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That ad kicks ass.
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I’LL BET THIS GUY IS A REPUBLICAN
The following Associated Press story is in today’s Seattle Times:
“TACOMA, Wash. — A Spanaway man believed to be the first person in the state charged under Washington’s new bestiality law bailed out of the Pierce County Jail this morning.
“Pierce County prosecutors say 26-year-old Michael Patrick McPhail was caught by his wife on Wednesday night having intercourse on the back porch with their four-year-old female pit bull terrier.
“The wife took photos with a cell phone and called police.”
For complete story and/or copyright info, see http://tinyurl.com/t7kdr . Note: I do NOT buy Frank No-Estate-Tax-No-Way Blethen’s fish wrapper. I got this story off their free web site!
Yeah, well, I can see why the wife would be pissed because he left her for a dog. This dude is a Rossi voter for sure!!!
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I wonder if he’s asking for conjugal visits with the dog while he’s in jail.
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I think the judge should give him home detention. Lock him up with his wife for 60 days!!
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More news on California vote suppression letter:
GARDEN GROVE, Calif. (AP) – For two days, a Republican congressional candidate had promised to explain how a threatening letter was sent by his campaign without his knowledge to thousands of Hispanic immigrant voters. As about 200 people gathered Friday in front of his campaign headquarters seeking answers, Tan D. Nguyen was a no-show at his own news conference. Instead, 10 uniformed California Department of Justice police officers arrived with a search warrant and pounded on the glass of Nguyen’s storefront headquarters.
Agents spent two hours sifting through cabinets, boxes and computers. They left carrying several boxes and plastic bags of evidence.
Hours later, they searched a home in nearby Anaheim listed as belonging to one of Nguyen’s staffers, emerging with a computer hard drive and a small box. Nguyen’s neighbors in a gated community in Santa Ana said law enforcement officers also spent several hours searching his home.
Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant trying to unseat a popular Democratic incumbent, has acknowledged his campaign sent the letter, which wrongly said immigrants could be jailed if they voted. He blamed an unidentified staffer whom he said he has fired.
For complete story and/or copyright info, see http://apnews.myway.com/articl.....0JRG0.html
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That ad is GREAT! Smart, clever and effective!
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I hope Mercer Island Republican Pussy Sotelo doesn’t try to suppress voters this election. Why doesn’t she lighten up and take that big PUSS off her face?
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Not only is the ad impressive and effective, the candidate is too.
At the time he spoke to us at YearlyKos, I’d barely heard of Sestak. He was paired with dKos favorite Eric Massa (NY-29), another Fighting Dem Congressional candidate. While Massa was bombastic and a bit gimmicky, Sestak spoke slowly, quietly, deliberately. Even so, he displayed immense passion and power in what he said and how he said it. It was plain-as-day that he was a commander of real character who inspires immense loyalty and believability, that his word is his bond, that he means every word he says with his entire being.
All in all, a remarkably powerful candidate. It’s no wonder that he could recruit all those veterans to join him in countering Weldon’s despicable attacks.
BTW, click over to Eric Massa’s site, if only to hear his clever method of celebrating reaching a fundraising milestone.
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Roger Rabbit @ 3
How many votes in King County won’t get counted this year because absentee ballots are returned for insufficient postage? It usually takes a couple of days for this to happen, so anyone mailing their ballots on election day, or even the weekend before, will be getting them returned on Wednesday (or later) after election day. It will then be too late for them to correct this problem.
The Snohomish County primary ballots were overweight this year, and 84% of the voters only put 39 cents postage on the envelope.
http://www.heraldnet.com/stori.....lot001.cfm
Half or more of absentee voters mail in their ballots on election day or within a few days before. So a very significant number of King County voters could be disenfranchised this time around.
If the race between Cantwell and McGavick ends up being close (which current trends do not project), a reduction of tens of thousands of King County ballots for postage problems could make the difference in favor of McGavick.
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Agenda for the Democratic National Convention for 2008:
7:00 P.M. Opening flag burning.
7:15 P.M. Pledge of allegiance to U.N.
7:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
7:30 till 8:00 P.M. Nonreligious prayer and worship. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.
8:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
8:05 P.M. Ceremonial tree hugging.
8:15- 8:30 P.M. Gay Wedding – Barney Frank, presiding.
8:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
8:35 P.M. Free Saddam Rally. Cindy Sheehan & Susan Sarandon.
9:00 P.M. Keynote speech. The proper etiquette for surrender – French President Jacques Chirac
9:15 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
9:20 P.M. Collection to benefit Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund.
9:30 P.M. Unveiling of plan to free freedom fighters from Guantanamo Bay – Sean Penn.
9:40 P.M. Why I hate the Military – a short talk by William Jefferson Clinton.
9:45 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
9:50 P.M. Dan Rather presented Truth in Broadcasting award by Michael Moore.
9:55 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
10:00 P.M. How George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld brought down the World Trade Center Towers – Howard Dean.
10:30 P.M. Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Mahmud Ahmadinejad.
11:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
11:05 P.M. Al Gore reinvents the Internet.
11:15 P.M. Our Troops are War Criminals – John Kerry.
11:30 P.M. Coronation Of Mrs. Rodham Clinton.
12:00 A.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
12:05 A.M. Bill asks Ted to drive Hillary home. -
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When the Democrats retake one or both houses of Congress, the American public supports their proposed “First 100 Hours” agenda. An overwhelming majority says allowing the government to negotiate lower drug prices directly with pharmaceutical companies should be a top priority for a Democratic Congress (74%, including 70% of Republicans); 68% want increasing the minimum wage to be a top priority, including 53% of Republicans; 62% want investigating impropriety by members of Congress to be a top priority; and 58% want investigating government contracts in Iraq to be a top priority. 52% say investigating why we went to war in Iraq should be a top priority (only 25% say it should a lower priority and only 19% say it shouldn’t be done.)
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Chowchilla, Calif. – Health officials are investigating a woman’s claim that she found part of a human finger in a Subway sandwich — an allegation reminiscent of the chili bowl finger hoax at a Wendy’s restaurant last year. Two health inspectors visited the Subway restaurant Thursday in Chowchilla after the woman reported finding what appeared to be a half-inch piece of a finger a day earlier… [Representing the women will be the firm of Rosenblatt, Stein, Goodman, Lowenstein, and Loeb, Inc [A good Democrat Jewish trail lawyer firm who will sue anyone and do ANYTHING for money!!]
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18 Anonymous
Yep, we’re gonna have gay weddings at your house every fucking day once the Democrats take Congress.
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12 RP
That’s the Republican way. Have a marginal candidate take the fall so that their voter suppression message still gets out and won’t hurt the other candidates. Republicans: smart…and despicable.
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The intense effort to rid Skid Row of crime has resulted in a dramatic increase in trash – a problem so severe that officials warned Friday it’s become a public health threat…SNIP.. Their efforts have meant homeless people who are rousted often leave piles of belongings on the street, which officials fear removing because of legal liability.
Yes, this is the United States.
100% Democrat “Hillary Village” Baja Norte Mexifornia is becoming a third world country right here in the good old US of A. Garbage in the streets, drugs, gangs, crime, rising rates of communicable diseases that were considered to be eliminated and an electrical infrastructure with more than questionable reliability. Brought to primarily by liberal judges, NIMBY’s and the Democrat Party! Enjoy!! Atlas has Shrugged.
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#18
Oh the Bitch
Oh the Bitch
Oh the Bitch is Back!
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Daddy Love @ 22
Don’t you think the voter suppression letter is going to backfire in a major way? Spanish-speaking immigrant citizens are just going to turn out in much larger numbers, because they are so angry with the outrageous letter. And S.E. Asian immigrant citizens — perhaps a natural base for Nguyen — will be less inclined to vote for him. And very few other people will be happy either?
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If Democrats win a majority in the House of Representatives, the first 100 hours under Speaker Pelosi would look like this:
Day One: Put new rules in place to “break the link between lobbyists and legislation.”
Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds _ “I hope with a veto-proof majority,” she added in an Associated Press interview Thursday.
All the days after that: “Pay as you go,” meaning no increasing the deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or some other priority.
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25 RP
Nguyen is toast. His opponent was and is the clear winner, and he has never even been close. That’s why he gets to be the fall guyhe makes sure the letter goes out and the GOP doesn’t lose a seat it had a chance at because this guy HAS no chance.
I don’t know if there will be any backlash, and I hope there would be, but the GOP is sure betting that some naturalized immigrants will doubt enough to stay home. And this will not be the last time stuff like this will happen in 2006.
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Americans can plainly see that we are not safer as a result of the invasion of Iraq AND that continuing the current strategy will not lead to different (or better) results. A real change in policy is needed, and this administration’s stalling and dithering hurts our troops, our country, and Iraq. So, given the fact that the President and the Republican Congressincluding Dave Reichertare not willing to even consider a new direction in America’s Iraq policy, the Democrats should continue to focus on the momumental failure of the Iraq strategy pushed by the White House and the Republican Congress. They have failed. We need to change direction. There’s only ONE WAY to do that.
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1100
“Americans can plainly see that we are not safer as a result of the invasion of Iraq”
Commentby Daddy Love […….Er, DL, NO attacks on the USA in 5 years. Congrats to President Bush!!!]
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29, cont………….Thousand of ragheads killed. Oil is flowing. Millions of people in Iraq are free from the evil Sadaam, who killed millions of his own people. [BTW, AFTER the USA left Viet Nam, millions were murdered by the NVA, VC, Pol Pot, and Kamewr Rouge, but you libs don’t like to talk about that. A few million yellow people killed. No big deal, right? I mean, what a few million dead yellow people to Jane Fonda? hehe, JCH]
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#26
Day One: Maria and Ron will no longer be together. Torn apart by the Head Bitch herself Pelosi…..I can see the tears now, flowing down Ron’s face, knowing he WILL have to pay back that loan (the one he forgot what he got it for) from Maria, and knowing full well he will be broke…… The saga continues
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Daddy Love @ 27
Loretta Sanchez’s political history is interesting. She was a Republican until she decided to run against Bob Dornan in the 1996 election. Sanchez defeated Dornan by only 984 votes. Dornan alleged that lots of non-citizens had voted in that election. The U.S. House thoroughly investigated, but found out that only 624 non-citizens had voted, and upheld Sanchez’s election. Sanchez defeated Dornan by a wide margin in 1998. Sanchez has taken a strong interest in the human rights violations by the Vietnam government — more so than just about any other member of Congress.
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29-30 JCH
“NO attacks on the USA in 5 years.”
I am guessing that you started counting after the anthrax atttacks (no suspects apprehendedCongrats to President Bush!!!), and that it doesn’t matter to you that worldwide terrorist attacks are skyrocketing both in number of attacks and number wounded, it doesn’t matter to you that we diverted troops and intel to Iraq and let Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar, and Ayman al-Zawahri remain free (Congrats to President Bush!!!), and that our own intelligence services in the 2006 NIE concluded that anti-U.S. sentiment is on the rise, that the global jihadist movement is spreading, that groups will be “harder to find and undermine,” and that the Iraq conflict is “breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.” I’m guessing that you are trying hard to ignore those little items.
“Millions of people in Iraq are free from the evil Sadaam, who killed millions of his own people.”
Wrong. Saddam killed somewhere between tens and hundreds of thousands of “his own people.” But today in Iraq they have seen hundreds of thousands MORE Iraqis killed as a direct or indirect result of our invasion, torture in Iraq is almost certinly worse now than it was under Saddam Hussein, and militias, government forces, AND Americans all doing the torturingbut you genocidal conservatives don’t like to talk about that, do you? Iraqis talk about it, and what they say about you is not very complimentary.
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Damn, did it again, I think.
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Trying again for propoer formatting…
29-30 JCH
“NO attacks on the USA in 5 years.”
I am guessing that you started counting after the anthrax attacks (no suspects apprehended—Congrats to President Bush!!!), and that it doesn’t matter to you that worldwide terrorist attacks are skyrocketing both in number of attacks and number wounded, it doesn’t matter to you that we diverted troops and intel to Iraq and let Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar, and Ayman al-Zawahri remain free (Congrats to President Bush!!!), and that our own intelligence services in the 2006 NIE concluded that anti-U.S. sentiment is on the rise, that the global jihadist movement is spreading, that groups will be “harder to find and undermine,” and that the Iraq conflict is “breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.” I’m guessing that you are trying hard to ignore those little items.
“Millions of people in Iraq are free from the evil Sadaam, who killed millions of his own people.”
Wrong. Saddam killed somewhere between tens and hundreds of thousands of “his own people.” But today in Iraq they have seen hundreds of thousands MORE Iraqis killed as a direct or indirect result of our invasion, torture in Iraq is almost certainly worse now than it was under Saddam Hussein, and militias, government forces, AND Americans all doing the torturing—but you genocidal conservatives don’t like to talk about that, do you? Iraqis talk about it, and what they say about you is not very complimentary.
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31 kiroking
Nancy Pelosi will tear George Bush a new asshole. And I for one will not shed a tear.
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1109
The Democrats will never enact all of the 9-11 commission’s recommendations. Never in a hundred years!
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33 Anonymous
So, are terrorist actions in the news good for Republicans, or good for Democrats? You guys claim both at different times, but you know what? They can’t both be true. I think you’re full of shit.
Yes, vote, and force the weak, incompetent, and corrupt Republicans out of the positions from which they have done our country such great harm.
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The article you listed:
“Nowak has yet to make an official visit to Iraq and said such a mission would be unfeasible as long as the security situation there remains perilous. He based his comments on interviews with people during a visit to Amman, Jordan, and other sources.”
Gimme a break, never been there and what Iraqi was questioned?
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Only Ted Turner would show soldiers being killed on national TV!
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38 sgmmac
So you can see the future? Cool! Can you tell me a good stock that will be up, say, about 50% by this time next year? Who will win the NCAA national football championship? Who will control the House and Seante and by how many seats? Who will be the Republican presidential candidate in 2008?
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Daddy,
Buy 3M for a long term investment and short term is definitely pork bellies!
As for the recommendations, there are too many of them that defy the Democratic party’s beliefs………
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41 sgmmac
NO ONE showed soldiers being killed.
But do you think people don’t KNOW? Are you afraid that it will hurt Republican chances in the elction? Just like a Republican, it’s all about holding onto power and not about soldier’s lives.
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Daddy,
Barack Obama will run in 08 and win!
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I am Republican – whann, whann, weep, weep, weep. All the lazy black folks don’t work and get free money living like Kings with the cockroaches…..whann, wahnn. I lie, steal, and cheat when I’m not being the family man and not crying about the lazy black folks.
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Daddy,
I went off on my Dad after the first gulf war for wanting upfront coverage of the war and yes I was there. They got the coverage with this war. I went crazy when the press shoved lights in front of marine’s faces when they did a beach landing a few years later. It is hard enough to be a soldier, but to have to worry that your parents and loved ones will see you die on TV isn’t something that soldiers should go through.
I don’t think there is enough coverage of the war, but I am not up for families seeing their soldiers deliberately targeted and killed on TV is a little outrageous.
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1119
It’s game time…… game #1
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1120
Gee sgmmac, why don’t we see the caskets being returned? Why when the pictures were smuggled to the press, was the photographer punished?
I can tell you why? The horror of war is visible to the public only, and I mean only, when the bodies come home. When the grieving families are seen, bodies lying on top of the caskets, crying and mourning the loss of their son, daughter, father or mother. And the corrupt administration does not want the American public outraged by the sight of death.
That is the only reason.
Funny how that works.
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1121
We need to start listing AGAIN all the cowardly draft-dodging punk republican chickenhawks who never served a day.
I bet these fuckers are completely panicked that all their typical Karl Rove-inspired tactics aren’t working.
This is gonna be a blood bath. Then we’re gonna seek out these punks and give them some Democratic justice. You fucking inbred cowards have just enough time to pack your shit and head for some other country before we find out who you are. Maybe your pals in the Middle East will take you in, or in the old Soviet Union or North Korea. That’s where you punks would probably be more comfortable.
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“How many votes in King County won’t get counted this year because absentee ballots are returned for insufficient postage?” Commentby Richard Pope— 10/21/06@ 12:41 pm
Many, I fear! Hey Richard, I hope my taunts and insults don’t drive you off this board! One of the other posters expressed a concern along those lines. I told him if you’re not thick-skinned enough to take what we dish out here, you have no business running for judge. Speaking of which, I voted for your OPPONENT because bar association ratings do matter — and because you need to get your personal life in order before you take on the responsibility of running a court! I only mention this to rub your face in it.
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“An overwhelming majority says allowing the government to negotiate lower drug prices directly with pharmaceutical companies should be a top priority” Commentby Daddy Love— 10/21/06@ 1:35 pm
I wanna see Bush veto that one! We’d have enough Republican votes in the Senate to remove him from office within 48 hours.
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29, 30
You forgot to mention 2,900+ dead American kids.
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“An overwhelming majority says allowing the government to negotiate lower drug prices directly with pharmaceutical companies should be a top priority” Commentby Daddy Love— 10/21/06@ 1:35 pm
I wanna see Bush veto that one! We’d have enough Republican votes in the Senate to remove him from office within 48 hours.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— [..Why not just shop a WAL-MART? 4 bucks a perscription. What a great company!!!!]
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Barack Obama will run in 08 and win!
Commentby sgmmac […….Condi Rice/ J. C. Watts 2008!!!……………….Suck on that, racist Democrats!!!!!]
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Roger Rabbit @ 50
At least I pay all my bills. The other fellow didn’t, and had his home sold at foreclosure on August 12, 2005. Too bad that doesn’t mean anything with the less than 30% of King County lawyers who belong to the so-called “King County Bar Association”.
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1128
I am Republican – whann, whann, weep, weep, weep. All the lazy black folks don’t work and get free money living like Kings with the cockroaches…..whann, wahnn. I lie, steal, and cheat when I’m not being the family man and not crying about the lazy black folks
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1129
Blacks: The Democrat Party’s voter slaves
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1130
In less than Three weeks GBS will need my permission to post on HA.ORG. Sweet!!!!
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1131
I am Republican – whann, whann, weep, weep, weep. All the lazy black folks don’t work and get free money living like Kings with the cockroaches…..whann, wahnn. I lie, steal, and cheat when I’m not being the family man and not crying about the lazy black folks.
Republican: Hitler in disguise.
Republicans should be proud to share the same view as a Muslims when it comes to homosexuality.
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Nearly 30 years after Louis Farrakhan seized control of the Nation of Islam, the organization is preparing for a change at the top. The controversial minister is battling what he has described as a “life-threatening” illness – painful swelling of the prostate that has left him more than 30 pounds underweight, dehydrated, anemic and unwilling to eat. […………Oh NO!! Time for some of your HA.ORG Dem libs to step up and donate a liver or kidney!!! Louis “has mother fucking needs”!!!!!!]
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Louis Farrakhan could end up in the great black Democrat”mother space wheel” in the sky!!!!!!!
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Well, I see the mudslinging continues . . . Smeg, you got grandkids. Don’t you even like them? They are the ones that will be coming home in bodybags the way your side conducts wars. But, I guess that’s okay with you.
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When the Democrats retake one or both houses of Congress, the American public supports their proposed “First 100 Hours” agenda.
Commentby Daddy Love— 10/21/06@ 1:35 pm
Where’s reinstate habeas corpus?
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I say we leave Habeas Corpus alone and use the opportunity to start locking up these GOP crooks without charge. Let’s send all republicans to GITMO. Give em a taste of their own medicine.
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I have an idea. Have Policemen outside all polls nationwide. Ask people as they are entering the area if they plan to vote for any Republicans. If they say yes, arrest them for TREASON.
I think that would be fair.
Voting for any Republican these days would be an act of treason.
Official Casualty List from U.S. military hospital at al-Habbaniyah located some 70km west of Baghdad. U.S. medical personnel at al-Habbaniyah initially stated that the US military hospital at the massive American-occupied air base there had begun to receive dead and wounded personnel. The military hospital in al-Habbaniyah, the largest in occupied Iraq, was opened on 12 May this year in response to sharply rising (and redacted) US casualties. List compiled and effective as of 11 Oct 06 at 2300. – A – Pfc James R. Adams, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Captain Kenneth Adler, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Pfc Bobby Ray Albertson , Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo 1st Lt.Keith Allen, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Spc Cletus Anderson, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Lance Cpl John Martin Ansley, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment Spc Toby Anthony, National Guard’s 149th Brigade Combat Team Pfc Gustavo Armijo, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Pfc Michael Armstrong, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Capt Steven Arnold, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division James Arthur Ash II, Central Intelligence Agency Cpl Edward Atkinson, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade – B – Pfc Roy Bailey, National Guard’s 149th Brigade Combat Team Spc John Baldwin, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade Pfc Charles Barbe, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Pfc Thomas Barnhart , 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc James Barry, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Capt Robert Bell, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Spc William Bennett , Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Pfc Saul Benson, 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion Pfc Joseph Berge, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Pfc Joseph Berkeley , 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Capt Colmar Betts, 414th Civil Affairs Zack Billings, Department of Defense Edward Blair,, Civilian Contractor 1st Lt.Ronald Bort, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Pfc Bowen, James, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Pfc Thomas R. Boyd, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Spc Mel Brewer, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Master Sgt.Roger Brown , 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Francis Byrne, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company – C – Pfc Arthur Cahill, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Pfc Fernando Calderon, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Alex Callaghan, Civilian Contractor Pfc Peter Campbell, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Cpl Douglas Carmody, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade Pfc Ashanti Carter, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Henry Cartwright, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Pfc Ken Casey, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Russell Cavanaugh, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Spc Raymond Chamberlain, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade Pfc Einar Christiansen, 414th Civil Affairs Spc Zack Christopher, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Eric Clark, 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion Ronald Colby, Civilian Contractor Pfc Marcus M. Cole, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Paul Collins, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Pfc Rory Conner, Department of Defense Pfc Roger Connolly, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Major Michael Connors, 414th Civil Affairs Steven Cooke, Department of Defense Spc Matthew Cooper, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Edward C. Courtney, Central Intelligence Agency Capt Jimmy Lee Craig, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Spc Samuel Cramer, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Pfc Micah Creighton, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Spc Leonard Cunningham, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Paul E. Curtis, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company – D – Pfc Sebastian Daly, 2nd Battalion, 27th Infantry, 3rd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division 1st Lt.Benjamin Davis, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Raymond Day, Civilian Contractor Pfc Justin Delaney, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Christopher Dixon , Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment Cpl Paul Doherty, 414th Civil Affairs Pfc Nicholas Dolan, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Lawrence Donahue, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division Pfc Randall Douglas, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Carl Dowd , Civilian Contractor Master Sgt.Phillip Doyle, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Pfc Edmund Drake, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Spc Charles Duval, 2nd Battalion, 27th Infantry, 3rd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division – E – Spc Brandon East , Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Pfc Jeremy Edwards, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Spc Shane Elkins, 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion Edgar Elliott , Central Intelligence Agency Pfc Ronald Ellis, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 2nd Lt.Paul H. Etheridge, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Sgt Kenny Evans, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division – F – Cpl Thomas Fairchild, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Pfc Ben Farrell, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Robert Feeney, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Angus Ferguson, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Lance Cpl Eetaban Fernandez, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment Spc Bradford Fields , , Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Pfc Raymond, Finlay, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Major Eduard Fischer, 414th Civil Affairs Pfc Kirk Fitzgerald, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Arnold Flynn, Civilian Contractor 1st Lt.Gene Ford, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Pfc Scott Fort, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Capt Shelby Foster, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Pfc Jon Franklin, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Spc Harold Frederickson, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade Pfc Lawrence Frost, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division – G – Pfc Michael Gaines, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Christopher Gallagher, National Guard’s 149th Brigade Combat Team Pfc Rogelio R. Garza, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Pfc Daniel Gardner, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Brad Garrison , Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Lance Cpl Kirk Geary, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Pfc Randy Geohegan, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Adam Gibson, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Master Sgt.Richard M. Gilligan, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Paolo Giovinazzo, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Jeffery Givens, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Cpl Mario Gold, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion 2nd Lt.Pedro Gomez, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Michael Gordon , 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Gabriel Govia, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Thomas Grady, Department of Defense Pfc Kevin Graham, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Pfc Paul Gray, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Samuel Green, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment Pfc Lloyd Griffith, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Cpl Andrew Gustafson, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company – H – 1st Lt. Seth Hall, , Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment Pfc Tobias Hancock, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc James Hansen, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Sgt Stuart Harding , 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Randy Hardy, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Pfc Ronald Harris, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Pfc Keith O. Harvey, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 1st Lt.Karl Hawkins, 414th Civil Affairs Sgt. 1st Class Samuell Hayden, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Randi Hays, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Ben Henderson, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade Pfc Kyle Henry, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Spc Danid D.Herron, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Capt Kenneth Hilliard, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc John Hodge, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 2nd Lt.Lee Hoffman, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Master Sgt.David Hoke, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Pfc Ted Holmes, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Kenny Howard, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division – I- Keith Ingraham, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Pfc Daniel Innis, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Shane Irving, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division – J – Pfc Tarrnish Jackson, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Spc Lewellen Jacobs, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Timothy Jasper, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 1st Lt.Larry Jenkins, 414th Civil Affairs 2nd Lt.Phiillip Johnson, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Pfc Brian Johnstone, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Pfc Todd Jones, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Pfc Brendan Joscelyn, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 2nd Lt.Cpl Allan Jose, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Pfc Thomas Joyce, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Spc Benno Juarez, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division – K- 1st Lt.Eric Kaufman, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Charles Kavanaugh , Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Cpl Jon Keats, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Eric Keefe, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Tony Keeler, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade Pfc Chester Keenan, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Pfc Frank Kennedy, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Jon Kent, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Sgt Jordan Kessler, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Capt Mark King , 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Neil Kirk, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Spc Jeff Klein, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Alan Knoll, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade .Pfc Adam Koehler, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Capt Osmond Kray, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company 2nd Lt.Gary Krueger, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division – L – Tracey LaFaver , Civilian Contractor Lance Cpl Roger Lafferty, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment Pfc Junior Lambert, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Shawn Lane, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Cpl Charles T. Langholz, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Jimmy Bob Larkin, National Guard’s 149th Brigade Combat Team Pfc Eric Larsen, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Sgt. 1st Class Robert Law, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Spc Andrew Richard, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Ricardo LeGallo, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 2nd Lt.William S. Leonard, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Pfc Marshal Lindsley, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Master Sgt.Tommy Lee Lipton, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc George Long, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Jimmy Longtree, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion 1st Lt. Jasper Loomis, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Pfc Carstairs Lowe, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Robert M. Lynch, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company – M – Pfc Paul McKinnon , 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Keith MacVane, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Gunnar Magnusson, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Capt.Martin Mahoney, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Enzo Marini, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Rostan Markovic, Central Intelligence Agency Spc John M. Marshall, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Pfc Michael Martin, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Pfc Scott Marvin, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Pfc Leroy Mason, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Spc Greg Mathews, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Duncan Maxwell, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Brian Mayer, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade Arthur Mazzocco, Department of Defense 1st Lt.Joseph McAllister, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Master Sgt. Daniel McBride, . 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc William McClellan, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Spc Lou McConnell, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Sgt. 1st Class Albert McGinnis,. 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Master Sgt.David McRae, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Matthew Medigovich, Central Intelligence Agency Pfc Vincent Mendoza, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Cpl Richard Milich, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Pfc Ben Miller, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade Cpl Robert Mitchell, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Terrence Mogen, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade Pfc Ted Montague, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Pfc Yates Montecino, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Esteban Morales, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Pfc Darrell Morgan, Central Intelligence Agency Jeffery Morrison, Civilian Contractor – N – 1st Lt.Noble Natsios, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Carlos Naverez, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Sgt. 1st Class Edward Nelson , 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Cpl Donald Newcomb, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Roger Newell, Civilian Contractor Pfc Dorin Nicholson, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Bart Nolan, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Nelson Norton, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Wally Novak, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion – O – 1st Lt.Chris O’Brien , 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Stephen O’Connor, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Raymond O’Rourke, Civilian Contractor – P – Spc James W. Page, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Russell Palumbo, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Pfc Nicholas Pappas, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Troy Parker, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Mark Patten, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade George Paul, Civilian Contractor Lance Cpl Wallace Peabody, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Pfc Dale Peake, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Reed Perry, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Pfc Samuel Petersen, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Roger Platt, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division 1st Lt.Thomas Poole, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Pfc William Porter, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade Sgt Daniel Powell, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Todd Price, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Cpl Kevin Prisley, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Peter Purvis, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division – Q – 2nd Lt.Quesada, Gonzalo, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Pfc Liam Quinn, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division – R – Pfc Chad Railey, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Spc Ignacio Ramirez, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Pfc Arthur Ramsen, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Benjamin Raymond, Civilian Contractor Spc Todd Reckford, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Aaron Reynolds, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Pfc Timothy Richard, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division 1st Lt. Paul Richardson, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Robert Riley, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Shawn Roberts, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Cpl Kirk Robinson, National Guard’s 149th Brigade Combat Team Sgt. 1st Class James P. Rodgers, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division Master Sgt. Chad Romer, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Martin Ross, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade Pfc Robert Rowan, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 2nd Lt.Seth Ryan, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division – S – Spc Ricardo Sagan, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade Pfc Hector Salazar, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Ed Sampson, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 1st Lt Walter San Fellipo, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Bruce Sartiano,, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Raymond Schmitz, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company 2nd Lt.Ernest Sherman , 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Pfc Mario Sims, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Joshua Smith, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Andrew Snow, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo Gerald Sorenson, Department of Defense Lincoln Stadermann, Translator Master Sgt.Michael Stephenson, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Carl Stone,, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Capt.Harold Sullivan, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division 1st Lt. Lawrence Swenson, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division – T – Cpl Augustus Tanner, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Pfc Reginald Tate, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Duane Taylor, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade Sgt. 1st Class Curtis Thomas, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Stuart Thompsen, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade Spc Larry Thomson, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Capt David Towers, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Pfc Dean Townsend, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division 2nd Lt.James Tracy, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company Pfc Paul Tucker, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Daniel Tyson, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division – U – Pfc Romillo Ugarte, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Cpl Austin Unger, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division – V – Spc Ramon Valadez, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Hector Velazquez, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Spc WalterVincent, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division 2nd Lt.ThomasVoelker, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division – W – Spc Carl Wade, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Sgt. 1st Class Kevin Walker, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Ronald Walsh,, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Jack Ward, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Cpl Sean Weber, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division Pfc Steven Webster, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion Spc Paul Welch, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Capt.Gene Westin, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division Master Sgt.Richard Wheeler, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion Pfc Lawrence White, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Andrew Willams, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Sgt. 1st Class Mario Williamson, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company Russell Wilson, Translator Michael Wisniewski, Civilian Employee Cpl Chris Womack, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Burton Wood, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo – Y – Cpl Fernando Yates, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division Istvan Yatsevitch, Civilian Contractor Cpl John York, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Peter Young, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division – Z – Pfc Mario Zammarella, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Cpl Jose Zamora, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division Spc Reuben Zamora, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Pfc Arno Ziegler, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion 1st Lt.Charles L. Zimmerman, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division.
Stay the Course……
Bastards.
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You don’t see the children of any of the neo-cons in the White House, and Pentagon on this list…..
I wonder why.
Bush isn’t gonna have his daughters risk their lives to “spread freedom” anywhere…..
I just can’t wait till they march Bush, Cheney, and all their enablers off to the Hague for the war crime tribunals.
Torture, kidnapping, ransom, rendition, more torture, white phosporus use, targeting civilians, and the list goes on, and on, and on.
Go ahead and vote for Republican enablers. I dare you.
Pigs.
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@63, Gidget,
I haven’t slug any mud or rounds either. I do reserve the right to vote for whoever the fuck I want to without being arrested. I am pretty damn confident that I’ve earned that right.
I do worry about people who want to give habeas corpus to fucking foreign terrorists and crazed islamic jihadists who were blessed with being born in America and now they think they have to destroy America.
I’m also pretty damn sure I’m not going to GITMO any time soon unless I get called back to active duty and I get sent there as a prison guard.
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@48 My left foot,
My major objection is in the combat zone. I dislike the idea of soldiers’ deaths being politicized, but I could deal with the coffins at Dover, as long as it was respectful.
If someone needs to be in jail, it’s that nutbag religious group who likes to protest at people’s (soldiers) funerals. Why don’t you consider sending his dumb ass to GITMO
Gidget,
Yes, I have one delightful grandson who is 10 months old that I babysit while his parents work.
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1141
I am Republican – whann, whann, weep, weep, weep. All the lazy black folks don’t work and get free money living like Kings with the cockroaches…..whann, wahnn. I lie, steal, and cheat when I’m not being the family man and not crying about the lazy black folks.
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1142
I do worry about people who want to give habeas corpus to fucking foreign terrorists and crazed islamic jihadists who were blessed with being born in America and now they think they have to destroy America.
In a nutshell, this is what is wrong with the right-wing in the U.S. Just because the U.S. government accuses you of something doesn’t mean you did it.
Habeas corpus is fundamental to a civilized society. Those who discard it lightly betray a dangerous view of state power – one far closer to that espoused by dictators and tyrants than the principles on which the United States is built.
I do reserve the right to vote for whoever the fuck I want to without being arrested. I am pretty damn confident that I’ve earned that right.
You didn’t earn the right to vote. This isn’t a Robert Heinlein novel.
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ATJ,
You still have habeas corpus, I still have habeas corpus. The foreign terrorists NEVER had habeas corpus until SCOTUS decided to give it to them this year, Congress merely took it back away from the SCOTUS.
We are at the same place that we have been at throughout history with habeas corpus. Nothing has fucking changed. POW in WWI, WWI, Korean Conflict and Vietnam didn’t have fucking habeas corpus either.
As for my right to vote, it is interesting that there are those who scream at the top of their fucking lungs about the US becoming a dictatorship and losing their rights, and these same people are some of the most ignorant, arrogant and intolerant jackasses amoung us.
There was some fool in the PI threads who wants the blue states to break away from the red states and he says elections are too hard, so he would just appoint Clinton President………..
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Jose Padilla is a U.S. citizen. Read this, and try to claim, with a straight face that nothing has changed.
As for your right to vote, it is interesting that you try to change the subject.
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Jose Padilla is an exception to the rule. The US government has done many ugly things. Can you say WWII Japanese detainees? During the cold war, there were people who went beserk over communists and many lives were destroyed over it.
Throughout our history the US government has abused citizens, Democratic presidents and Republican presidents alike.
I’m not changing any subject about my right to vote. I got it, and I damn well earned it. It is a right that doesn’t need to be earned because everyone has that right – even fucking Republicans!
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1146
It is a right that doesn’t need to be earned because everyone has that right – even fucking Republicans!
You’re catching on.
Jose Padilla is an exception to the rule.
No, he really isn’t. From the link I included above:
The atrocity known as the Military Commissions Act of 2006 is a huge leap forward to elevating the Padilla treatment from the lawless shadows into full-fledged, officially sanctioned and legally authorized policy of the U.S. Government. The case of Jose Padilla is no longer a sick aberration, but is instead a symbol of the kind of Government we have chosen to have.
The U.S. government has argued in court and publicly that what they did was correct and legal, and the Military Commissions Act makes it easier to happen again.
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TJ,
My point is that despite all of the self righteous indignation of our politicians and others, this crap has been going on since Washington was President.
The US government GAVE syphillis to blacks, they put soldiers in a bunker and set off an above ground nuclear bomb, they gave soldiers and CIA agents LSD without their knowledge in Vietnam.
The US government has used US soldiers as fucking guinea pigs for medical crap for decades. Not so long ago, there was a bill in Congress in give US soldiers the AIDS vaccine to see if it worked. They still do experimental stuff on soldiers. During the first Gulf war, we were all directed to take these little white pills to protect us against nerve agents. The morning after taking one (I didn’t – but was supposed to!) I had to take a female SGT to the hospital because she was swollen up and had an allergic reaction to the pill. What they didn’t tell us is that the pill can kill you if you had high blood pressure. I found out later the pills were developed in Sweden and were highly experimental. I took one, the first night when the air war started and it made me high as hell.
The CIA has been killing and torturing people around the world for decades, it’s nothing new. Thousands of US citizens of Japanese descent were detained during WWII. Hollywood actors were on government watch lists in the 60’s.
Nothing has changed, we just put on rose-colored glasses and want to pretend that the US is the champions of the world who never do anything wrong.
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Nothing has changed, we just put on rose-colored glasses and want to pretend that the US is the champions of the world who never do anything wrong.
Please read the links I posted. Perhaps you’ll think differently.
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If blacks and Jews vote 95% Democrat, wouldn’t the Democrat Party be the Jewish Black Party?
If 95% of welfare hacks and “guvment” union employees vote Democrat, wouldn’t the Democrat Party be the Parasite Party?
So, Democrat Party: Jewish Black Welfare Hack “Guvment” Union Party!!!!!
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“Thousands of US citizens of Japanese descent were detained during WWII.”
Commentby sgmmac [Er, sgmmac…………FDR, DEMOCRAT!!! hehe, JCH]
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The leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, recently issued a decree to its supporters: Kill at least one American in the next two weeks “using a sniper rifle, explosive or whatever the battle may require.” […..Kill one American, nuke one Moooooooooslim city. You Mooooooooooslim want to play……We play. Let’s start with the capital of Iran. Mecca next. Then Demascus, Syria. Fuck with the USA: You raghead Moooooooooooslims will pay the price.]
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TJ,
I did read your article. Honestly and what I am saying is that it isn’t anything new. In other words, it isn’t Bush. Our government has done some evil, raunchy, criminal shit in the past 200 years and ignoring it and trying to claim that the sky is falling now because of this one piece of legislation is looking at the world with rose-colored glasses.
I like the legislation and I like it for Bush and I’ll like for Obama and whoever follows him…………
In today’s world, it is a lot less likely that abuses will happen and never see the light of day. We have communications that our parents never dreamed of and the ugliness will be exposed.
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“Thousands of US citizens of Japanese descent were detained during WWII.”
Commentby sgmmac [Er, sgmmac…………FDR, DEMOCRAT!!! hehe, JCH]
Open thread
I desperately needed to veg out tonight, so I popped open a beer and turned on the tube — and the first thing that flashed across the screen was a Mike?™ McGavick ad.
Hmm. Apparently, he’s running for CEO of Safeco. Best of luck, Mike.
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GBS, recruits out of “A” schools are “push button” E4s!!! After several years, you were an E3!!!! Total shitbird, and certainly not retained!!! A SEAL??? Right!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
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1155
Gary Studds is dead. “Tookie” Williams is dead. Very sad for GBS, Daddy Love, and other gay Democrats.
Question: May Gary and “Tookie” still vote Democrat, and may Democrats bus their dead bodies from poll to poll to vote Democrat as needed?
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Maybe Pam will decide to send her drug addict son to Iraq to fight in America’s
so-called War On Terror? NAH!Commentby RightEqualsStupid— […………………………………………………………………….Remember when Al Gore’s son was stopped doing 85 in a 55 with drugs in the car? Just “axing”……]
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If Mike wants to spend his money for ads like that, its fine with me!!
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Dear Illegals, Minutemen and the US Border Patrol will be at EVERY voting station!!! Try to vote, and get a free ride back to Mexicoland!!!!! Best regards, JCH
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Goldy,
Stay sober enough to be aware if the dog pees on the floor or whatever.
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floor monitor…
I think I can handle 11 ounces of beer.
(That’s a hint. Anybody know which brand of beer I was drinking?)
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JCH, [If I was a black Democrat, Big Island, Hawaii]: “Where’s ma mofo FEMA trailer? Where’s ma guvment credit card? Where’s ma guvment check? Bush made da earthquake!! He owes me!! Eyes gotsa gets ma KFC, ma Black Velvet, and ma King Cobra!! Eyes gots da 42 inch plasma SONY HDTV by lootin da Best Buy in Hilo!! But what about ma “surround sound”!! I be votin Democrat, so I bees gettin da mofo check NOW!! You white devils owes me!!!” …………………………………………………………………………….. […………………………………………………………………………Sorry, but I’m a Republican. I take responsibility for myself and my property. Insurance, sweat equity, and an “I’ll clean up myself” attitude!!! Fuck you Democrat “Victims”!!!! You are nothing but social parasites!!!!!!! JCH]
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I can’t WAIT to see Doc crying like a little baby on November 7. Can’t WAIT.
Now shoo… don’t you have some border to patrol???
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a good micro loaded with hops, I would hope.
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Voter ID: 20% less democrat votes [Democrats: masters of voter fraud]
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1165
the good doctor seems a bit more crazed than usual.
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11
I will stop bringing up diebold if you stop bringing up voter IDs at the polls. Deal? Well at least until we dems lose. Then I have the right to make shit up again.
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can we have less swearing here? One feels the need to shower after going to this site
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I will stop bringing up diebold if you stop bringing up voter IDs at the polls. Deal? Well at least until we dems lose. Then I have the right to make shit up again.
Commentby A concerned Democrat […………OK, let’s talk!!!!!……..Voter machines bought in Democrat districts, maintained by Democrats, transported by Democrats to Democrat controlled polling places staffed by Democrats, and somehow, those evil Republican fucked with the Diebolds!! You libs are fucking clueless to think anyone who can think would buy your bull shit.]
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Gary Studds is dead. “Tookie” Williams is dead. Very sad for GBS, Daddy Love, and other gay Democrats.
Question: May Gary and “Tookie” still vote Democrat, and may Democrats bus their dead bodies from poll to poll as needed?
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2 JCH
No, we’re going to bus YOUR dead body from precinct to precinct.
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14 Y’all
Fuck you and your need to control other people’s actions. Republican?
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Mike’s ad guys aren’t the worst I’ve ever seen. McGavick has been trying to tap the widespread anti-incumbent sentiment, which some polls show is stronger in the generic anti-incumbent sense than it is specifically anti-Republican. In this ad, he hijacks the recent Democratic focus on “the common good” for himself. It’s an opportunistic and non-ideological approach that he no doubt hopes will help him get over the hurdles of running as a Republican in a Blue state and in a year that’s bad for is party. I get it; it’s clever.
Don’t think it’s going to work.
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1174
Mike’s ads lack focus. He has tried and discarded like four different aproaches and messages during the course of this capaign. He lacks a unified theme, and it looks like his campaign doesn’t really know what it’s about. He comes off as too opportunistic, and of course, he was out there loudly lying about his “character” early on while the opposite was being reported in the press. Not good for him.
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#16 Funny how you wingnuts want to call the people that let the American Citizens know what is really happening in Iraq traitors, and let the people that caused this problem off the hook. If Bush, and his gang of liars, traitors, and crooks were being honest with us, instead of pounding us with lie, after lie, after false hope, after lie, there would be no need to give a document like this to the press.
Bush has to lie to retarded sheep like the average Republican tool. If he actually told the truth, you would want to hang either him, or yourself.
Thank God I am not a Republican any more.
I can sleep soundly knowing ALL FACTS SUPPORT MY POSITIONS, if you know what I mean.
So now rightie, do you think the American People have the right to know if our president’s actions are actually creating more terrorists, or are we supposed to just listen to him lie to us, and “trust” him?
If you still “trust” Bush, please post your address, so we can send over the folks with the straight jacket, and take you to a happy place where you can wear pajamas all day!!!!
Oh by the way wingnuts. You may want to watch Iraq For Sale. You many start to understand why we invaded….. and where your prescious tax dollars go…..
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JCH @ 1:
Somebody’s angry. Did you learn a new term while surfing military web sites in order to try and look like you know something about the military?
Hmmmmm. . . yeah, OK there little man, go play with your Puddle Pirate friends. On “pirate” ships you don’t have to worry about the material condition of your ship when you’re at GQ, do you.
JCH is a lying loser.
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He who laughs last laughs best. One thing for certain a Nancy Pelosi with subpeona powers will be hillarious!!
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What dastardly trick will the Repubs. pull at the last minute to pull their nuts out of the fire? There’s always the martial law route. That’s what I’m expecting.
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And Diebold.
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27 Facts
Not a criticism, but…
A “staight” jacket is one that presumably is not tailored to uhg the body.A “strait” jacket is one that binds the arms tightly to the body to prevent movement, as a “strait” is a narrowing in a body of water where two spits of land approach each other closely. Similarly, on can take the “strait and narrow” path, as Jesus said, “For wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction…strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life.”
I’m kind of a word geek.
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http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001846.php
Nice little run down of just some of the latest criminal activity from the GOP and their minions of crooks, liars, peds and traitors.
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I’d love to see a poll of Safeco employees who served under McGimmick! and how they’d vote.
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This time around the revolution will not be televised.
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Since Goldy has gotten lazy, I’m going to start a thread for him.
It appears to me that radical liberalism is dead or dying.
Why do I say this?
I will post articles that back up my statement, but the general point is that the Democratic Party has had to move to the right in order the compete in this election. The leadership has finally come to the realization that the majority of americans do not share the same values that Sen. Nancy Pelosi shares and a change was necessary.
I believe that this is a good thing. We need a two party system that actually represents the overall population that has been changing and adopting more conservative values.
This also is bad for the kos and move-on crowd because it means that they will be further marginalized even within the party they think represents them.
I predict that the Democratic Party is moving towards an “idiological battle” that will redefine it for the future.
Friday, Oct. 20, 2006 9:26 a.m. EDT
Poll: Lieberman Leads by 17 Points
Sen. Joe Lieberman has built a 17-point lead over Democratic challenger Ned Lamont, according to the first Quinnipiac University poll since the two faced off in a debate this week.
Lieberman, running as an independent after losing the Aug. 8 Democratic primary to Lamont, leads the Greenwich businessman 52 percent to 35 percent among Connecticut likely voters in the poll released Friday. Republican Alan Schlesinger trailed with 6 percent, and 7 percent were undecided.
A similar poll released on September 28 showed Lieberman with a 10-point lead.
The debate between Lieberman and Lamont on Monday was their first since the August primary. Among those in the poll who watched the debate or read or heard about it, only 3 percent said it changed their minds.
“Ned Lamont needed to score a knockout in the debates to catch Sen. Joseph Lieberman, but he apparently didn’t lay a glove on him,” poll director Douglas Schwartz said.The poll suggested that Lieberman’s support among Republicans and independent voters was substantial.
Lieberman leads Lamont 70 percent to 9 percent among likely Republican voters, with 18 percent for Schlesinger, and 58-36 among likely independent voters. Likely Democratic voters back Lamont, 55 percent to 36 percent.
The poll of 881 likely Connecticut voters, conducted from Oct. 17-19, has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
© 2006 Associated Press.Pelosi no shoo-in for job as speaker
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
October 20, 2006
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s prospects for becoming the nation’s first female House speaker depend not only on a Democratic victory in November but also on her ability to prevent any Democrats from voting against her — primarily centrists opposed to her liberal stances.
At least one Democratic House candidate has pledged not to support Mrs. Pelosi, and others in conservative districts have refused to commit their support — potentially leaving Mrs. Pelosi shy of the 218 votes required for the chamber’s top post.
Democrat Charlie Stuart, who hopes to unseat Republican Rep. Ric Keller in Florida, already has said he opposes Mrs. Pelosi and would prefer Rep. Steny H. Hoyer, the more conservative No. 2 Democrat in the House whose strained relations with Mrs. Pelosi have been well-chronicled on Capitol Hill.
“He’s a centrist,” Stuart spokeswoman Sultana Ali said of the Florida Democrat. “His values really are more in line with Steny Hoyer than Nancy Pelosi.”
At least three other Democrats contacted by The Washington Times refused to commit their support to Mrs. Pelosi, whose San Francisco district is far more liberal than the districts that are up for grabs in this election.
Ordinarily, a party’s leadership structure is set by the caucus in advance, and all members are expected go along with the decision. In the eight years Rep. J. Dennis Hastert, Illinois Republican, has been speaker, he’s never had a protest vote cast against him.
Mrs. Pelosi, whose voting record is considerably more liberal than many of her fellow Democrats, has never enjoyed that luxury. In last year’s election for speaker, one Democrat opposed her for the top post. Four Democrats opposed her in 2003, with three of them simply voting “present” as a protest.
Such protest votes are a sign of dissension within a party. But in the upcoming Congress — where Democrats could hold the majority by just one or two seats — any members who vote for someone other than Mrs. Pelosi or simply decide not to vote could trigger parliamentary mayhem.
If Mrs. Pelosi were to fail to win, the speakership would go to the highest vote-getter, most likely Mr. Hastert. Democrats would later win it back by settling on a leader after an intraparty showdown that could pit Mrs. Pelosi against Mr. Hoyer.
But many insiders say Mrs. Pelosi has already moved to protect herself from Mr. Hoyer by privately encouraging another conservative Democrat — Rep. John P. Murtha of Pennsylvania — to announce earlier this year he will run for the party’s No. 2 position if Democrats gain control of the chamber. Mr. Murtha, who is conservative on many issues but has lately become a hero of the left for demanding that troops be withdrawn from Iraq, is considered a formidable challenger.
One of those who opposed Mrs. Pelosi in 2003 was former Rep. Ken Lucas, Kentucky Democrat, who retired the following year. Now he is trying to regain his seat from the Republican who replaced him, and Democrats list the race as among one of their most promising chances to pick up a seat in November.
The Lucas campaign did not return several phone messages inquiring whether he would support Mrs. Pelosi for speaker.Rep. Gene Taylor, a conservative Democrat from Mississippi, refused to support Mrs. Pelosi in both past leadership elections. Each time, he has cast his protest vote for Mr. Murtha.
Next year, however, Mr. Taylor said he would support Mrs. Pelosi, at least if his was the deciding vote.
“If it comes down to Hastert or Pelosi, then I’m certainly not going to vote for Hastert,” he said. “I’m not going to vote against my own self-interest.”
Mr. Taylor said that voters in his district — which went 66 percent for President Bush in 2000 — don’t have much in common with Mrs. Pelosi, who visited recently to survey the damage left by Hurricane Katrina.
“People were very nice to her,” Mr. Taylor said.
Heath Shuler, the former Washington Redskins quarterback who is challenging Rep. Charles H. Taylor in North Carolina, is another Democrat running in a conservative district who refuses to say whether he would support Mrs. Pelosi for speaker.
“He will support whoever he thinks will best represent this district,” Shuler spokesman Andrew Whalen said.
Mr. Taylor’s campaign — like vulnerable Republican campaigns in conservative districts across the country — has gone to some effort to smear the Democratic candidate by association to Mrs. Pelosi.
Pelosi spokeswoman Jennifer Crider said it’s a campaign that won’t work.
“Republicans are without a single winning issue, so it’s no wonder they are desperately trying to falsely smear a churchgoing grandmother who has made fiscal responsibility, bipartisanship and middle-class tax cuts a priority,” she said.
In some races, such as Democrat Brad Ellsworth’s effort to unseat Republican Rep. John Hostettler in Indiana, the charge has become so heavy that the Democrat ran a television commercial pleading with voters that the election “isn’t about Nancy Pelosi.” Mr. Ellsworth also refuses to say he will support Mrs. Pelosi for speaker.
Said Gene Taylor of Mississippi: “I still wish Jack Murtha would run for speaker. He’s pro-gun, pro-life, a real conservative.” -
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Conservative Eastern Washington Newspaper Endorses Cantwell. Slimeball Tactics by McGavick Supporters One Reason Why.
The Tri-City Herald
For U.S. Senate: Re-elect Cantwell
This story was published Friday, October 20th, 2006
Experience in government, a prudent sense of restraint on national issues and fidelity to causes important to the Tri-Cities make Democrat Maria Cantwell our choice for the U.S. Senate this year.
Her opponent, Republican Mike McGavick, is a fine candidate being undermined by the political hacks of his own party.
Both sides ought to be ashamed of the negative tone their campaigns have taken in recent weeks, but the worst of it comes from outside sources.
It’s especially disappointing to see the venomous, relentless attacks by surrogates on the incumbent senator, Cantwell, turning more toxic and unreasonable as the election draws closer.
Nastiness aside, voters are fortunate in that both candidates are exceptional.
Based on their experience and positions on issues, we think Cantwell is the better candidate of the two. She points specifically to Mid-Columbia issues where she’s made a difference, such as efforts to have the U.S. Department of Labor take responsibility for compensating Hanford workers who were exposed to toxic substances and preserving Northwest rights to the region’s cheap federal hydropower. She also supports pursuing a new reservoir in the Yakima Basin.
On the war in Iraq, McGavick says Bush should fire Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and appoint a special committee of members of both houses of Congress to consider how to resolve the war.
But then he adds that he’s afraid Cantwell supports sudden, premature troop withdrawal. That’s not what she says. Cantwell, who voted to authorize the war, does say Iraq needs to take over military and police control but has not given a deadline. And, she adds, the Iraq Study Group already is in place to study the war situation and we don’t need another.
Both more or less agree on steps to counter North Korea’s nuclear capabilities and the possibility Iran could be next.
Neither supports gay marriage. McGavick says he’d support a constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between a man and a woman. Cantwell supports the concept of civil unions.
Both candidates are pro-choice, but Cantwell supports and McGavick opposes federal funding for welfare abortions.
McGavick supports and Cantwell opposes giving younger people control of a small portion of their Social Security accounts.
Cantwell wants tougher immigration procedures and stronger border controls. McGavick wants a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.
On the acknowledged out-of-control spending by the Republican Congress, McGavick says he wants a spending freeze, a 10 percent cut in some programs and election of true deficit hawks.
Cantwell notes it’s the Republicans who’ve controlled the spending and looks for a return to the days when there was a budget surplus.
Cantwell is against and McGavick is for oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
McGavick is former head of Safeco Insurance Co. But he is no stranger to the Senate. He was an aide and later chief of staff to Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash.
But as valuable as that experience is, and persuasive as it might be in another circumstance, it wasn’t an elected office.
In 2000, when Cantwell first ran for the Senate, we endorsed the incumbent, McGavick’s former boss, Sen. Gorton.
Cantwell beat him narrowly — by a margin of 2,229 votes out of about 2.4 million cast.
She has had six years in the U.S. Senate, preceded by terms in the U.S. House of Representatives and the state Legislature.
That experience should count for a lot with voters.
As to the bitterness of the campaign, McGavick’s failure to stop the personal attacks on Cantwell makes it appear he has lost control over his own campaign.
McGavick told Herald Washington correspondent Les Blumenthal that partisanship has only grown worse in Congress since he served on Gorton’s staff.
“I’m running against rank partisanship,” he said.
Yet McGavick can’t completely disassociate himself from some of his party’s particularly offensive attempts to slander Cantwell’s personal life, rummaging through someone else’s divorce papers.
The airwaves, and more particularly the Internet, bristle with invective from the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
It’s exactly the sort of campaign McGavick says he deplores. If his party apparatus pays so little attention to what he wants now, that does not look good for the future.
The Herald recommends voters return Maria Cantwell to the U.S. Senate.
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GOP GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE ACCUSED OF ASSAULTING WOMAN
The Las Vegas Sun reports on allegations that a drunken, “flirty” Rep. Jim Gibbons (R-Nev.), the GOP’s candidate for that state’s governor, pushed a woman against a parking garage wall and made sexual advances. Although Gibbons denies anything untoward happened — he claims he was helping the woman to her car when she slipped and fell — tapes document the woman’s 9-1-1 calls to police, and Gibbons has made inconsistent statements. http://tinyurl.com/wrveo
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November 8th – the GOP begins another 40 year cycle as the minority party in the congress. They’ll go back to whining about the budget deficits (which they made worse), big government (which they made bigger), and federal intrustion into our private lives (which they Rubberstamped).
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You know, jaybo, I don’t really care who the Democrats pick as speaker, as long as the Democrats control the house and the speaker is a Democrat. If that happens, there’s going to be investigations of Republican corruption and malfeasance, and there’ll be nothing the GOP can do to stop them.
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“McGavick supports and Cantwell opposes giving younger people control of a small portion of their Social Security accounts.”
I realize the paper is just summarizing their positions, but this not only trivializes the privatization issue — it mischaracterizes it.
The problem is the phrase “small portion,” which implies privatization would have a minor impact on the Social Security revenue stream.
Nothing could be further from the truth! The GOP’s privatization plan would divert over $1 trillion from the Social Security Trust Account — precisely at the time when baby boomer retirements turn revenue surpluses into shortfalls. The GOP hasn’t explained how they would make up that revenue loss — by tax increases or benefit cuts. Since the GOP steadfastly opposes tax increases in any form, we can assume the GOP will opt for benefit cuts.
That means the GOP’s “solution” for a claimed Social Security shortfall (these claims are hotly disputed and at the very least highly inflated) is to make the shortfall worse by spending Social Security revenue on a new program — and cutting retirees’ benefits to pay for it.
Senior citizens saw through this transparent attempt to destroy Social Security almost instantly. Polls show 90% of senior citizens oppose privatization. Bush’s Social Security road show collapsed after only a few “town halls” (which were marred by the ugly manhandling and illegal arrests of attendees whose only offense was having anti-war bumper stickers on their cars).
Social Security privatization is a scam, period. Over the long haul, there is no extra money coming into the Trust Fund, which Republicans themselves have trumpeted as an excuse for overhauling Social Security. Every cent of Social Security tax revenue that is diverted from the Trust Fund will either have to be replaced by new taxes or cut from benefits, it’s that simple.
McGavick supports this ripoff of senior citizens. That, by itself, is reason enough why he should never represent the citizens of our state in congress or the U.S. senate.
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Had your premiums arbitrarily raised lately? Ever been screwed by an adjuster or insurance co. lawyers when you filed a claim for an accident that was someone else’s fault?
Do you really want to trust the insurance industry lobbyist/insurance company CEO behind that smiling face with YOUR Social Security benefits?
That would be like buying your pension from Safeco.
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Hey, if you’re thinking of voting for Mike McGavick, I know a guy who wants to sell you a long-term-care insurance policy.
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REPUBLICANS EATING THEIR OWN
“By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK, The New York Times
“WASHINGTON (Oct. 20) — Tax-cutters are calling evangelicals bullies. Christian conservatives say Republicans in Congress have let them down. Hawks say President Bush is bungling the war in Iraq. And many conservatives blame Representative Mark Foley’s sexual messages to teenage pages.
“With polls showing Republican control of Congress in jeopardy, conservative leaders are pointing fingers at one other in an increasingly testy circle of blame for potential Republican losses this fall.”
Man I love watching the GOP cannibals go at each other!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! :D :D :D
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Rabbit @ 40,
You highlight exactly the point I’m making.
If this new crop of democrats gets into the congress, they will be more conservative than the liberal elements that want to do what you are saying.
If the liberal wing of the Democratic Party tries to drag them to the left they know that they will be in danger of losing their support. I don’t believe that they are going to be willing to commit suicide like that.
This is the coming battle that I am pointing out.
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Robert at 39:
Yea, that’s one of the thing that bugs me the most. Republicans run up the national debt like a bunch of drunken sailors, then blame the Democrats for it over the next few years.
Imagine the scene: The parents (Democrats) are out on a trip for the weekend, leaving the teenagers (Republicans) in charge of the house. They arrive home and open the door, and survey the morning-after effects of a drunken party the night before. The teenage son sees the parents, and complains, “Geez, Dad, did you have to come home? You are SUCH a party-pooper! Everybody was having lots of fun and doing fine until now!
Horsey (Seattle P-I cartoonist) could make a great cartoon out of this, to be published the day after the November elections.
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GOP THUG RETALIATES FOR LEAK
The Associated Press reports today that Rep. Peter Hoekstra suspended a Democratic staff member of the House Intelligence Committee over a media leak of a politically damaging National Intelligence Estimate. Democrats say there is no evidence the staffer leaked the document, which was accessible to “thousands” of people in government.
Democrats say the staffer was only doing his job when he requested a copy of the NIE for a committee member. The request occurred 3 days before the New York Times ran a story about the NIE, which portrayed the Iraq war as going badly.
Hoekstra, putting 2 and 2 together, came up with 1 1/4 and concluded the staffer must have done it.
Hoekstra’s bullying of the staffer comes at a time of worsening tensions between Republicans and Democrats on the committee. Hoekstra is incensed over the senior Democratic member’s recent release to the media of an investigator’s conclusions that jailed Republican ex-congressman “Duke” Cunningham abused his position on the committee to help steer lucrative defebse contracts went to associates in exchange for bribes — Hoekstra apparently wanted THAT kept secret, too.
For story, see http://tinyurl.com/yz3alb
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If you think there’s a single solitary Democrat in Congress who will help the Republicans cover up their corruption, lying, and stealing — you’ve been smoking banana peels.
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When the Republicans lose control of the House (and possibly the Senate) in Nov., they will blame it all on Mark Foley. They will argue that they did a good job governing, but the fallout from a sex scandal cost them control of the House. He will be the scapegoat for their failures.
But it just goes to show how out-of-touch they are.
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GOP DISTANCES ITSELF FROM CANDIDATE
In California, a Republican candidate for Congress denies having anything to do with a “dirty tricks” letter sent to 14,000 Hispanic voters warning them they could go to jail for voting, but even GOP party officials are calling him a liar.
Meanwhile, authorities are raising the possibility that someone may be prosecuted for what GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger called a “hate crime.”
For story, see http://tinyurl.com/yxo82t
Man don’t you just love to see Republicans go for each other’s throats!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! :D :D :D
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I ask again Roger Rodent, as you never answered before; which is probably due to your lack of testicualr virility. The question was do you and if you do is it legal to give campaign contributions with you gov’t cheese welfare money or food stamps or do you cash them first and get a money order?
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Commentators on NPR this morning were saying that the RNC will drop a bunch of TV ads starting Sunday which will feature pictures of Osama Bin Laden, and quotes from Al Quida figures spewing hate at America, and claim that this is what the election is all about. Obviously, they hope that fear-mongering will work for them again – it gave them the slim margin of victory in the 2004 elections.
Bush and Osama Bin-Laden need each other. Bush can’t win an election without his spectre. Bin-Laden needs Bush to keep up his idiotic foreign policy in order to get new recruits and money from the Muslim world.
Before the 2004 elections a new Bin-Laden tape was broadcast shortly before the last Presidential debate. I’ve always wondered about that tape. If Bin-Laden hated Bush so much, why would he do something that his advisors would undoubtedly tell him would only aid Bush in his re-election attempt? Did Bin-Laden make a new tape, so he could ensure that Bush remained in office for four more years, and thereby retain for them a “demon” against which he could mobilize the muslim world? Or was this an old tape which Rove made sure was dropped to Al-Jazzera at just the right time?
Rove has proven that he is pretty good at manipulating portions of the mainstream media, to get his messages our just when he needs them to do so. It would be nice to have a REAL investigation of how much of these Al Quida tapes are leaked to Al Jazeera from government or Republican sources. While we are at it, what was the real source of the Bush Nat. Guard memo which brought down Dan Rather and made it impossible for any other news media to continue with the story for the rest of the 2004 campaign?
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Even better: They’ll cut taxes, say $550 billion (with a “b”) dollars in order to create 1 million (with an “m”) jobs–yes, that’s $550,000 per job created. We could have given 1 million people 1/2 million $ each, those people would have been better off, and we’d have saved $50 billion dollars in the Federal budget.
Four years later, overall tax revenues begin to sniff the revenue levels before the tax cut, the DOW Industrials reach an all new high though broader indexes are still quite low, real wages have fallen, and Republicans have either the gall or the stupidity (it’s difficult to tell which) to say, “See! It worked!”
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HOW’S THAT GREAT BUSH ECONOMY HUMMING ALONG?
CBS News reports:
“More College Grads Living With Parents
” … Half of this year’s graduates have moved back home and 44 percent of last year’s graduates are still there, while 34 percent of 18- to 34-year-olds get cash from mom and dad — an average of $3,410 a year.
“Sarah Baumgartner worked at a radio station in college and thought it would be easy to pursue that career. It wasn’t. ‘You work and work and work to get this degree, and now you have it, and in my case you’re delivering pizzas to your old high school,’ she told … correspondent Cynthia Bowers. …
“Elina Furman lived with her parents for three years after college and then another seven with her mother. She wrote ‘Boomerang Nation: How to Survive Living with Your Parents … The Second Time Around.’ Furman said that the high cost of housing is pricing young people out of the market. …
“Georgetown graduate Addie Pampalone … took a dream job in advertising, but without the financial help from her parents, she said paying her rent would have been a nightmare. …”
This article is excerpted under the Fair Use doctrine; for complete story and/or copyright info, see http://tinyurl.com/y3u3ed
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More proof of what I believe will happen within the Democratic Party.
A Democrat McCain
Joe Lieberman rediscovers belief in Connecticut.BY DANIEL HENNINGER
Friday, October 20, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDTWe see where the Democrats are laying in cases of champagne to celebrate their Nov. 7 victory in the congressional elections. If as seems possible control of the Senate turns on a single seat, attention will return to one probable winner who likely won’t be in the Democratic clubhouse spraying bubbly that night–Joe Lieberman.
Sen. Lieberman is going to defeat the Ned Lamont “insurgency” from the Democratic left. Now what?
His lead in the most recent polls runs between 8 and 13 points. It is safe to assume that if the Democrats win next month, they won’t be urging reporters to focus on the Lieberman victory in Connecticut. This wasn’t supposed to happen.
What was supposed to happen is that Joe Lieberman was supposed to go away. After Ned Lamont defeated Mr. Lieberman in the primary, a procession of his Senate friends traveled ostentatiously to Connecticut to recreate the scene in “Godfather II” where Tom Hagen tells Frank Pentangeli about how marked guys went away in the time of the Roman Empire. “Yeah,” said Frankie, “and their families were taken care of.” Hagen: “A nice deal.”
That was a movie. Instead of a political corpse, the Democratic Party is about to get its own version of John McCain–a shrewd and independent maverick. By the accounts of friends and associates, Joe Lieberman feels “liberated” and “unshackled.”
Back in 2000, as Al Gore’s running mate, Joe Lieberman did what the party asked him to do. He threw over some of his core beliefs, as on affirmative action and school vouchers, and swept left in a way that made his bipartisan admirers cringe. After the Lamont defeat, he could have slicked together a campaign that threw sops to Greenwich’s liberals and held his Democratic base (he got 48% in the primary).
Didn’t happen. In terms of what comes next for Mr. Lieberman and his party, the signal event in this campaign is his Sept. 25 speech to the Veterans of Foreign War in East Hampton. It’s about Iraq. This speech could serve as a template for Democratic Party policy on Iraq after the election–but it won’t.
In August, just weeks before the Lamont antiwar frenzy crested, 12 Democrats led by Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi sent President Bush a letter urging the start of withdrawal from Iraq by the end of 2006 and a reduced mission there. That’s the party’s current business model. It was the energy source that the progressive blogosphere took into Connecticut. Sen. Lieberman is running straight at it.
His East Hampton VFW speech describes bringing the troops home prematurely as a “formula for defeat and disaster.” He restates his support for Saddam’s overthrow, criticizes rank partisanship in a time of war, praises Iraq’s democratic progress and ends by offering an alternative strategy for avoiding defeat.It includes resolving the crucial issue of sharing Iraq’s oil revenues, ending the out-rotation of the U.S.’s best military commanders, accelerating the logistical support system for Iraq’s army and, most interestingly, increasing the overall force structure of the Army and Marine Corps to face future threats.
Sen. Lieberman says the troops he has spoken to want to see the job finished in a way that honors their service and sacrifice: “We owe it to them not to give up and walk off the battlefield before the job is done.”
He proposes forming a “bipartisan Iraq working group” when Congress reconvenes in January made up of senior members of the relevant committees who would meet regularly with the president. It could happen. If the Democrats take the Senate, Sen. Lieberman is in line to chair the committee on homeland security.
There is talk of the ever-present Democratic “insurgency” on the left organizing to prevent Mr. Lieberman from gaining the committee chairmanship. That will happen if the Republicans are lucky, leaving Sen. Lieberman as a cherished but ignored party eccentric. But it could be back luck for the GOP if the Democrats take a close look at what is winning in Connecticut.
Sen. Lieberman is probably going to carry the Democratic vote in places like the Naugatuck Valley around Waterbury–blue-collar, culturally conservative Reagan Democrats deeply discomfited by the war but unwilling to truck with a Vietnam-like pullout. He is pulling well in the suburbs around New Haven, home to knowledge-based industries in the biosciences, information and health. In the Republican stronghold of Fairfield County, where incumbent GOP Congressman Chris Shays may lose, a new internal Lieberman poll puts him up 15 points.
A diverse in-migration of Republicans is helping Mr. Lieberman. Maine Sen. Susan Collins, a moderate, will be in the state today for him. Jack Kemp arrives next week for stops in New London and Mystic. Most intriguing, New York City’s nominally Republican mayor Mike Bloomberg is about to hold his third fund-raiser for Sen. Lieberman.
For fans of political irony, this is a wonderful race. The blog-based Democratic insurgents created the Lamont movement. But after receiving investiture from party elders Kennedy, Dodd and Kerry, Mr. Lamont was the candidate of the Washington establishment. Driven from the compound, Joe Lieberman was now the man not “of” politics-as-usual.
Unlike in 2000, Joe Lieberman is running this time on his beliefs, something he probably thought a lot about while pulling the knives out in August. The Democratic Party lost in 2000 and 2004 by running liberals who couldn’t get across the goal line. The 2008 party desperately needs a belief-based centrist, with national name recognition, to hold off McCain, Romney or Giuliani. If perchance Hillary falters . . . It won’t happen, but for a reborn winner, even the dreams are sweet solace.
Mr. Henninger is deputy editor of The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page. His column appears Fridays in the Journal and on OpinionJournal.com. -
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“Commentators on NPR this morning were saying that the RNC will drop a bunch of TV ads starting Sunday which will feature pictures of Osama Bin Laden, and quotes from Al Quida figures spewing hate at America”…………..In other words, He will sound like a Democrat “spuing” liberal talking points!!!
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Gary Studds is dead. “Tookie” Williams is dead. Very sad for GBS, Daddy Love, and other gay Democrats.
May Gary and “Tookie” still vote Democrat, and may Democrats bus their dead bodies from poll to poll as needed?
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Reply to 54
1. You didn’t ask me this before.
2. Rabbits don’t eat cheese, you fucking ignoramus!
3. I don’t get any welfare or food stamps.
4. My pension income is my money that I earned and was deducted from my paychecks.
5. What I do with my money is none of your fucking business!
6. If the GOP thugs running our country make it illegal to give money to anti-fascist candidates, I will flip them my middle claw and do it anyway, and when they come to arrest me I will rearrange their belly buttons with my powerful hind feet equipped with razor sharp claws!
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Osama is Bush’s best friend and ally! That’s why Bush flew his relatives out of the country after 9/11 and hasn’t caught Osama. He needs Osama as much as Osama needs him.
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority. I am truly not that concerned about him.” — – George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
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Rodent:
Hit a nerve there did I? Good. The truth will set you free Rabbit, and least be honest. And yes, I asked you these things several times in the past. I suspect you were too busy sitting there in your bathrobe listening to yourself talk all day every day on this site. But thanks for answering my question -at least somewhat. Something tells me you were never very popular with the ladies either Rodent. Have a good day, I have to go back to a thing most people know as WORK.
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With the election fast closing in, and the walls closing in on GOP candidates, it’s only a matter of days before GOP ads starting calling Bush a “Democrat” and blaming him for everything.
Bush = the new Bill Clinton
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58
Keep stroking your hummer and dreaming away, jaybo. The sky is falling on you assholes — and this time it’s really falling and will land on your thick heads like a pile of rocks.
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63
I have lots of nerve, and it stomps on lying wingnuts like you on a daily basis. And by the way who ever heard of a REPUBLICAN doing any WORK?!! The whole fucking point of being a Republican is getting out of working by living off other people’s work.
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Interesting the GOP is going to start hollering about Osama just when we’re being treated to headlines about how our military commanders in Iraq (the REAL officers, not “Armchair Napoleon” Rumsfeld) are warning that we’re losing control of Baghdad.
Typical neocon behavior…when you’re losing the argument, change the subject.
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RE: More College Grads Living With Parents
Of course they failed to mention the moron college kids getting moron and totally usesless degrees in things like “Womens Studies”, “American Ethnic Studies”, “American Indian Studies”, “Communications”, “Comparative History of Ideas” and my personal favorite, Diversity.
And of course they fail to mention the same morron college kids with useless moron degrees accepting every credit card ever sent to them, putting themselves massively in debt because they don’t learn basic economics in those useless moron studies.
There was a statistic that I heard yesterday that claims unemployment among college graduates is only 2.9%, which tells us my theory that moron degrees and massive debts are the real reason Johnny and Susie move back in with Mommy… that and the just plain lazy entitlement mindset.
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Anybody else notice that Mark1, who claims to “work,” is posting on HA at 10:13 AM?
oes he have one of those Republican jobs like McGavick had where you get paid to arrive at 11:00, take lunch from 12:00 to 2:30, and go home at 3:00?
If Mark1 is “working,” is he posting on HA at 10:13 AM on his boss’s computer, instead of doing what he’s getting paid to do?
Hmmmm …
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68
No, they mentioned the credit cards. I have a suggestion for you. Read the fucking article before you post about what was in the article, so you don’t look like a fucking fool.
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70
Please don’t misunderstand me. I have nothing against a wingnut looking like a fucking fool.
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68 Anonymous
How about underemployment of college graduates?
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jaybo
The majority of Americans want us to get out of Iraq.
The majority of Iraqis want the same.
Lieberman’s “beliefs” are all about keeping his nice Senate Seat.
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If nothing else, U.S. Sen. Jim Talent’s decision to attack early and often during Monday night’s debate with state Auditor Claire McCaskill certainly shook up the status quo. **SNIP** Talent used his opening statement to accuse McCaskill of being an ineffective prosecutor during the 1990s, and then to assert that she and her husband had failed to pay taxes on some property and income.
I saw exceprts of this last night and wow did he towel snap her! Her family has over 100 LLC’s and none pay any taxes! She didn’t even respond to the allegation. There are many things a politician can be and do in this country, but being a tax dodger is not one of them. She’s toast.
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37 thor
and I recommend excerpting the material you steal. THen link to it. Dildo.
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JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) – Actor Wesley Snipes, indicted by U.S. authorities for tax fraud this week, is filming a movie in the African country of Namibia which has no extradition treaty with Washington, officials said on Friday. [“Gosta run ta dark Africa! Eyes don’t pay no mofo taxes!!! That’s fo white Republicans!! Eyes a black Democrat!!! Eyes a VICTIM!!!”]
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36 jaybo
CT-SEN Zogby Int. Oct 19 Lieberman (CFL) 49%, Lamont (D) 43%
More Republicans are deserting Lieberman for Schlesinger, and Democrats will be turning to Lamont as it becomes more amd more clear how not-Democrat Lieberman is. The debate didn’t do Lieberman any favors.
“We need a two party system that actually represents the overall population that has been changing and adopting more conservative values.”
Bullshit. The Republicans no longer have a single winning issue, and their base is fractured. As RR points out, they’re quite possibly out for another generation.
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So regarding the fact that at the swearing in of Mark Dybul as an AIDS ambassador, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice referred to the mother of Dybul’s gay partner as “mother in law,” Tony Show said that the secretary “was showing due deference to the people involved.” The official White House stance is that parents fo gay partners are “due” the deference the same title as those of parents of stright married partners? Wow. That’s a value judgment that does nto reflect the values of homophobe Jerry Falwell and the men at the Concerned Women for America. I can’t see how the religious right bigots are going to find this a very comforting response.
When the Religious Right leaves, and married women leave, the Republican Party will be finished.
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Daddy Love @ 77,
The results of the Conn. race will prove to everyone here just how wrong you are.
I propose a wager. If Lieberman kicks Lamont’s tail all over the state and wins the election will you promise to never post here under your current blog name? And if Lamont wins I will not post under my current blog name.
Do we have a bet?
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re 54: How is that question relevant to Republicans losing both Houses and the coming Bushco impeachment proceedings?
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re 79:Since he’s running as an independent even if he wins he’s lost all his seniority. Lieberman’s career is toast.
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jaybo
a) This is my name. I’m not giving it up.
b) Why should I bet at all, and particularly a straight up bet when you’re backing the favorite? That would be pretty foolish wagering, don’t you think?
Shoudl I take the Huskies straight up over Cal too?
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79 jaybo
“The results of the Conn. race will prove to everyone here just how wrong you are.”
My prediction is that Lieberman will lose some Republicans to Schlesinger and some Demcrats to Lamont from where he is right now. You think that’s wrong?
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Democrats outraising Republicans in the final months:
In September, the Democratic campaign committees for the House and the Senate outraised their counterpart Republican committees, reversing historical trends.
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised $14.4 million and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee collected $13.6 million last month, they said. In contrast, the National Republican Congressional Committee raised $12 million and the National Republican Senatorial Committee collected $5.2 million.
Dems to GOP: bite me.
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Nothin is going well in Iraq. Nothing. Yet the Republicans will not stand up the the president, a president who lies about “giving the generals whatever they ask for,” at least ifg you beleive the generals. As Iraq goes to hell. As we lose over 70 more brave American soldiers so far in October alone.
Want change? The only place you’ll find it is in the Democratic Party.
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If you don’t read borowitzreport.com, you should. Andy Borowitz is funny.
–snip–
“Elsewhere, 32% of Americans approve of President Bush’s handling of Iraq, while 0% approve of Mark Foley’s handling of congressional pages.”
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Jeebus. What an insipid campaign McGavick’s run. You’d think someone who ran Skeletor’s campaigns could do better.
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81 EC
I couldn’t agree more.
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Roger Rodent:
If you wanted to know that bad, I usually use my laptop. Those of us that are tax-paying, productive members of society, legally are entitled to things called “breaks” throughout the day. During these time periods, one can use his or her time as she or he sees fit. I suppose that since you are not any of the above, then you wouldn’t know that. See, you learned something new today after all, asfar asnerve,the only nerve you seem to have is venting and ranting your little man’s anger from behind the anonimity and safety of your computer screen. You have a lot to say always, but it is seldom factual and amounts to your own dilusional opinons of the fantasy world you live in. I suggest reading the book: “The Little Engine that Could”, then look at yourself in the mirror and chant ‘I think I can, I think I can!’ and maybe you can pretend youreintelligent and maybe even get an attractive woman. Good luck to you Rodent.
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Daddy Love can shoot off his mouth, but when it comes time to back up his words with action he runs away.
I thought you would do that.
I guess you just proved to the rest of us how little confidence you have in what you “claim” to believe.
Open thread
The No on I-920 campaign just hit the air today with its first TV ad, and I really wanted to share it with you… but Sandeep can’t seem to get into YouTube. So instead, here’s the Yes on I-937 campaign’s new ad:
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This is a great ad. It’s nice to have something progressively positive on the ballot. Progressives created the initiative process. And, we need to take it back from the conservatives.
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Sorry, I think Timmy’s proven the initiative process is broken- maybe not as badly as California and Oregon, but pretty badly. I vote “No” on everything now, until we have a way to get paid signature gatherers and other crap out of the process, even if I think the initiative’s a good idea.
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Nice and flowery and I’m all about conservation, but this initiatve will badger PUDs into wind and solar while ignoring that hydro is a renewable source. It will distort a market that is already whacky and further raise your and my already expensive home electric bill.
Ignoring that hydropower is a renewable resource was lame on the part of the initiative makers and hope that fact doesn’t get ignored.
I’m also pretty sure it’s going to hurt us in Washington more and help out-of-state interests like California. Let the market sort this one out.
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3 Matty
“Let the market sort this one out.”
Energy is not a free marketit’s a highly regulated one. There is no prospect of letting the “market” sort this out. I addition, as I understand it, for a free market to operate the buyers must have information symmetric to that of the sellers, and I don’t think in energy markets that is true. Anyway, I am not an economist nor an energy expert, but the amount of energy regulation should keep you wary of expecting “free market” behaviors from that area of economic activity.
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It’s bullshit to say I-937 ignores hydro as a renewable resource. Hydro already supplies nearly 70% of our power and the initiative won’t change that. What it does ensure is that utilities choose wind, solar and other renewables- along with conservation- instead of coal or other fossil fuels to meet new demand. No utility is talking about building new dams because there aren’t any new rivers to dam. Hydro is not an option for new demand because all the rivers that can be dammed have already been dammed.
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Matty @3,
You’re wrong, I-937 does not ignore hydro. It counts any increase in efficiency at existing hydro facilities towards the 15 percent target… for example, replacing older turbines with newer, more efficient ones.
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“Energy is not a free market—it’s a highly regulated one.” And good thing too. Every state that deregulated their power markets saw rates skyrocket, while states like Washington that maintained a regulated market maintained comparatively stable rates. See the story on the cover of last Sunday’s NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....ref=slogin
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People are worried that it’s going to cost too much. If projects costs more than 4%, the utilities can back down from them. There are already 20 states that have similar legislation in place. (These inclued Texas and Colorado). A recent report on these 20 states says that the cost for these programs has cost plus or minus 1%. We also have 14 years to do this so it’s not as if it all has to be done by next year.
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“You’re wrong, I-937 does not ignore hydro. It counts any increase in efficiency at existing hydro facilities towards the 15 percent target…”
You’re missing my point. I-937 is saying that is hydro is NOT renewable to begin with. That’s crap. It’s absolutely a renewable resource everytime it rains or snows. Now, if I-937 proponents had said, ‘Newer technology renewable….and old hydro systems doesn’t count’ then I not be so skeptical. But if a PUD is say 90% hydro right now and they have to go to 15% new definition renewable–then they either have to shift to wind/solar or by Goldy’s suggestion show efficiency improvements by upgrading turbines. OK, how will either way not increase consumer costs? Is anybody here saying that electric rate payer’s bills aren’t going to go up because of I-937?
As for energy markets being free I’ll concur to the point that we’ve said we want it a free market, but then add the cap BS. y. We’re in a middle ground that’s worse than probably either a purely regulated market or a purely free market. I guess my point is that we’d probably be better off it wasn’t half-assed and was all the way a free market. -
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Matty…
I937 ignores NEW hydro because it is not expandable in this state. No one is going to propose new dams considering the state of our rivers and salmon. I think it also ignores hydro because as you note there are some utilities that are 90-100% hydro and would not have to participate in creating new alternatives if it were written otherwise. I think it is good that all the large utilities and therefore all ratepayers will be able to participate in this… it shares the “work” equally. There are instruments out there like greentags where utilities with 90% hydro could purchase the rights to that 15% of renewables and sell some of their hydro elsewhere. It allows each utility to come up with a plan of new renewables and conservation that best fit thier particular situation
I don’t discount the possiblity that some of these renewable solutions may in the short-term cost a bit more for the ratepayer (keep in mind that 4% cap–they won’t go up too much), but in the longer term picture they will not. This seems to be a very complicated idea for some people to grasp, that doing right now what is not dicated by the “free market” is in fact the best and cheapest solution. Any additional power generation in this state is going to come from two places… one COAL or two RENEWABLES. Does the “free market” take the true costs of coal: climate change, worker safety, and the destruction of ecosystems into account? NO. If we do nothing about climate change, it is going to cost an extraordinary amount of money in lost agriculture, fishing, forests, health, and lost coastlines. Furthermore, coal has been rising in cost the last decade and renewables have been falling. In the not too distant future thier paths will cross and coal will be more expensive. At that time, the ratepayer will not want to be stuck with a “stranded asset”– a 10 year old coal plant that has functional life left but is a financial and environmental liablity. I would suggest you check out the website “Ilovemountains.org” if you want to understand how horrible coal really is.
I937 pushes us in the proper energy path, perhaps a bit artificially, but the it is the only sustainable energy future out there. We need to vote yes on this initiative and get working on our future… before we don’t have one.
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You’ll find out how renewable hydropower is when global warming dries up the Cascade snowpack.
And, renewable or not, hydropower does significant damage to other environmental resources — such as fish. The dam-building era in America is over. Dams aren’t being built now, they’re been torn down. There are better ways to get electricity than by impounding free-flowing rivers.
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Matty’s argument fails to take into consideration the potential costs to consumers of having to rely on oil, natural gas, and coal suppliers for the fuel to make electricity.
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“We need to vote yes on this initiative and get working on our future… before we don’t have one.” Washington is going to save the world and we won’t be subsidizing states and places like China by jacking our own rates? That’s naive I think. And I’m still stuck on the notion that hydro is not a renewable resource. We may not have additional capacity, but to selectively omit it is still disingenuous. I know I’m a minority here, but I am trying to communicate the typical Eastern Washington discontent with initiatives from the west side that screw the dry side. Whom here should I send the bill for my increased PUD bill?
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And, renewable or not, hydropower does significant damage to other environmental resources – such as fish. The dam-building era in America is over. Dams aren’t being built now, they’re been torn down. There are better ways to get electricity than by impounding free-flowing rivers. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 10/18/06@ 9:23 pm
So furball what would those be?
Moonbats are against oil powered plants even with hydrocarbon scrubbers installed.
Moonbats are against nuclear energy when even the French see iallt as a viable means
Moonbats are against dams because the poor fish will have a hard time getting to their spawning grounds.
Moonbats are against windmills. Just ask Ted The Killer Kennedy about Martha’s Vineyard
What energy source are moonbats for Furball?
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The “Religion of Peace” strikes again……
Afghan kidnappers ‘want convert’
The kidnappers of an Italian journalist in Afghanistan have offered to free him in exchange for a Christian convert who fled the country, an aid agency says.
Photojournalist Gabriele Torsello was seized last week while travelling on a bus in southern Afghanistan.
The kidnappers will free Mr Torsello, a Muslim convert, if Abdul Rahman returns from Italy where he was granted asylum earlier this year, the aid agency says.
Mr Rahman had escaped a possible death sentence for becoming a Christian. He had been charged with rejecting Islam and released this March after being deemed mentally unfit to stand trial on a charge of apostasy.‘Not a spy’
Mr Torsello’s kidnappers placed their demand in a phone call to the head of security at a hospital in southern Afghanistan run by Italian aid agency Emergency, said the Italian-based PeaceReporter website which is linked to the agency.
The kidnappers demanded the exchange of the two men should take place before the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan which falls early next week, the website added.
The foreign ministry in Rome has not commented on the demands, but an Italian politician who helped obtain asylum for Abdul Rahman ruled out any exchange. “It is not a demand that a decent human being would ever consider,” the politician, Rocco Buttiglione, told the BBC. “We are not ready to offer one human life for another human life… It is barbarian, inhuman, and it grinds against any accepted convention on human rights.”
Media rights body Reporters Without Borders said it was “very concerned” about the fate of Mr Torsello. “He is not a spy or a bargaining chip, but a courageous journalist,” a statement said.Taleban link?
It is still unclear whether the kidnappers belong to any group.
Mr Torsello, himself a Muslim convert who is based in London, was reportedly kidnapped while travelling in a bus between the restive provinces of Helmand and Kandahar. He phoned a local hospital to say he had been kidnapped on Thursday and did not know where he was, an Italian newspaper reported. An Afghan news agency says it called his mobile phone and was answered by a man claiming to be from the Taleban.Helmand and Kandahar have seen fierce fighting between Taleban militants and Nato-led foreign troops. The Pajhwok news agency quoted Mr Torsello’s travelling companion Gholam Mohammad as saying that he had been seized by five gunmen. A Taleban representative who spoke to Reuters news agency distanced himself from the kidnapping, blaming it on criminals.
Gabriele Torsello says in his online CV that he is a “photojournalist specialising in war zones and hostile environments, mainly in Jammu and Kashmir and Islamic countries/areas”.Two German journalists were shot dead by unknown attackers in northern Afghanistan earlier this month. Karen Fischer and Christian Struwe, two freelances working for Deutsche Welle, are believed to have been the first foreign reporters to be killed in the country since 2001.
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Matty–
You just do not “get” what I-937 is about. Sometimes I fret that I937 does not do a good job of communicating what it is about. Frankly, it still astounds me that something that is a matter of consensus to scientists as a tremendous threat to us all (climate change) must be tip-toed around by the I-937 campaign– but that just reflects the ignorance of the voting community to the extent of the problem. (and by this I mean that few, if any of I937s media speak about climate change directly) Scientists estimate that must reduce the amount of carbon we put into the atmosphere by 50%-80% in the coming decades because of climate change. You may not think so, but the reality is that American’s are A) Rich, compared with the rest of the world and B)already put more carbon into the atmosphere per-capita than anyone else. For us, it is not about what the Chinese do… as global citizens it is our moral imperative to do what we can on a local level to “decarbonize” the grid, NOW. we personally spend 2000$ plus a year as taxpayers to support the Iraq war and we can’t stand to spend a fraction of a penny more (and soon less) in the future per KWatt hour for our energy in order to do this thing?
Jay Inslee speaks quite well on this topic and I would suggest that you watch him on the public affairs TV station when he speaks to the PI editorial board on this weekend.
9:00pm on Friday Oct. 20th and then again on Saturday Oct 21 at 5 am and 1pm on TVW (channel 23 in seattle)
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15 jaybo
Umm, so?
Headline: “Hostile actions continue in invaded and occupied countries”
Talk about news!
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I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat, when I’m not being a family man.
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“I-937 campaign– but that just reflects the ignorance of the voting community to the extent of the problem.” I believe in Global Warming. I just hate the idea of Washington trying to fit a national and global problem. Just because Bush bailed on Kyoto I resent you wanting to spend money via my electric bill to pay for a much larger problem. I-937 remains disingenous and I voted against it this evening. I encourage others to do so as well.
Open thread
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BG @ 3
Me too. But others here on HA will now consider the Seattle Times a Right Wing paper. Sad……
What I thought the most interesting was the reasons why they DIDN’T Endorse Darcy….. That speaks louder than why they endorsed Reichart.
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One more thing…….. Comparing Burner to Rove was Priceless !!!!
“Still more disappointingly, Burner has run a mean-spirited campaign that would make Republican spinmeister Karl Rove proud.”
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Commentby Blog groupie— 10/15/06@ 9:56 am
Copying the entire editorial will likely get it removed (brief excerpts are ok). Copyright issues, rather than ideology are the problem.
In case Goldy does need to remove it, the link is here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....303415_eig hted15.html
I disagree with the Seattle Times here, but regardless of the shrill voices of some on the far right, their editorial board has been a bit right of center for some time, so this isn’t much of a surprise.
I suppose that the “mean-spirited” part of Darcy’s ads are the places that she shows where Mr. Reichert standing next to the President, telling everyone how frequently he toes the party line. Other than a few well-publicized votes where the outcome seemed certain, he’s been with the President all the way.
If I were Mr. Reichert, I wouldn’t like those either.
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John @ 6
What parts do you Disagree on. They explained themselves why they are NOT endorsing Darcy, with detail.
The voting record of Reichart has been explained. Burner is taking the percentage of 40 some odd votes out of a total of 600+ votes that have taken place. So what is Reicharts voting record on the WHOLE total of 600+ votes taken. You can’t tell me he missed 560+ votes, where he didn’t vote at all.
John, you are a smart enough to know that a percentage is only a percentage of the WHOLE. If the whole is misrepresented, then the percentage is not valid.
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Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. He was followed in this career path shortly thereafter by Gary Ridgway, another card-carrying Republican,who eluded Dave Reichert for twenty years even though he was a highschool dropout whocruised for prostitutes and then murdered them on a fairly regular basis.
The Times is endorsing him because he’s one more vote to keep wealth and privilige entrenched by repealing inheritance taxes. Reichert wants to tax your labor, but not the lazy rich who inherit their money.
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Commentby John Barelli— 10/15/06@ 10:15 am
Thanks – I am new to blog posting, so I take your advise to heart.
I am probably marginally on the conservative side of center, but do not vote a down the line Republican ticket. I just do not think that Burner is a good candidate, but more has been helped a hell of a lot by “national sentiment”. When it comes time to vote, I think that people will be more likely in this race to come back to weighing the candidates strengths and weaknesses, which will hurt Darcy.
I think someone who is a very strong candidate, who should make another run for office is Dave Ross.
While I disagree with him on a lot of things, I think he is very thoughtful on the issues, rather than just towing the party line, and has integrity. Against a weak Republican candidate, he would have a good chance at my vote.
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This vote ad must be driving the righties crazy. The last thing they want is a good turnout. The more people who vote, the more likely the GOP goes down. Of course if Foley and a page are around, there’s lots of going down anyway LOL!
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Commentby country Gal— 10/15/06@ 10:27 am
“What parts do you Disagree on?”
Why, that people should vote for Mr. Reichert, of course. I also disagree that Ms. Burner’s campaign has been “mean-spirited”.
(I noticed that the link isn’t working, so here is a better (I hope) one.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ted15.html
Do I disagree that they have the right to endorse Mr. Reichert? Of course not. I’ll even acknowledge that reasonable people of good will might vote for him, thinking him the better candidate.
And I’ll disagree with them, too.
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Since we’re open thread here, it looks like a good time to plug my local Democrats and ask for help from folks over here on the left side of the Sound.
Derek Kilmer – Even if the only thing he had done was to get Ms. McMahan out of the State House of Representatives, that would be enough to earn him our eternal gratitude. But… Rather than sit on those laurels, he’s been tireless in helping out the folks over here in the 26th District. He’s running against a one-issue Republican that has done everything he could to paint Derek as a friend to child molesters. Most of the dirty work has been done by third parties, and I expect the next few weeks to get even nastier. Much of this district has traditionally been Republican (remember, they did elect Lois McMahan at one time, and Derek only won the House seat by a thin margin). He can use all the help he can get.
Larry Seaquist – A decorated Navy veteran who has been active in progressive politics for some time. He’s running a clean, honorable campaign against Ron Boehme, a person that has called public education a tool of the devil and has proclaimed himself to be a prophet. The really scary thing is that Mr. Boehme actually has a chance of winning. Mr. Boehme has removed his writings from the site that used to host them, but many of the more interesting ones were archived by others before he realized just how most people would see them.
Pat Lantz – Not that I haven’t had my differences with Ms. Lantz (there are a couple of bridge votes that I take issue with), but she has also worked tirelessly for the folks of this district. Her opponent seems like a relatively reasonable person, but then, standing next to Mr. Boehme, almost anyone would seem reasonable.
With candidates as good as these, it’s too easy for us over here to assume that they’ll simply win because of their qualifications. Unfortunately, there is a very active minority that will vote as a block for any Republican, and if we don’t work at getting out our vote, we many find ourselves with:
1) a State Senator that will not even listen to prosecutors on the subject of child abuse (and doesn’t seem to care about any other issue).
2) a State Representative that considers himself to be a Prophet of God and considers almost all public programs (especially public eduction) to be tools of the Devil.
3) another State Representative that seems to have no independent ideas of her own and simply follows the Republican Party line in all votes.
The national races get a lot of our attention, and we must not neglect them, but the state legislature is the place where the laws that affect our everyday lives are made. Look at states like Mississippi and South Dakota, where state laws have effectively eliminated a woman’s right to choose to terminate a pregnancy under almost any conditions, and even here in Washington, where legislators have tried (and thankfully, failed) to get anti-evolution statements put into textbooks.
So, even thought I really hate calling strangers at home, I’ll be spending at least an evening doing “get out the vote” calls, and I know that more callers are needed. Check Derek’s website at http://www.derekkilmer.com, and volunteer to help!
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Cute little video about the joys of voting.
Has anyone shown it to 40% Darcy?
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What do you suppose the Times means by: “…the deceptive Democratic party line.”?
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I agree about Ross. Too bad his last experience with the Republican hate-machine was so demoralizing. He is thoughtful and expresses himself well. But, it will never happen . . .
I support Darcy but do not think she is a good candidate. Unfortunately, she’s needed a lot more rough-and-tumble practice to remove the “nice little girl” image she presents. Just being honest . . . not trying to diss her.
Reichert is surprisingly poor at handling debate but his “presence” is much more powerful. Unfortunately, people seem to vote a lot on visual stuff.
Finally, agree about the Times being a bit more right . . . Blethen’s attempts at supporting common interests bit the dust since he’s so thoroughly against the “gift-from-the-rich-dead” tax.
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The Times endorses
Reichert in the 8thhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ted15.html
Bye bye Burner…na na naaaa naaaa, na na naaaa naaaa, hey hey heeey goooodbye!
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Liberals,
Frankly, Darcy Burner comes off as shrill. I do not like Maria Cantwell, but she could give Darcy Burner some lessons on manners. Oh, and here is a hint Darcy, you aren’t running against George Bush. I know it is a little late to learn that, but it is the truth. 8th district voters are NOT shrill Seattle liberals. You can spend the next two years studying that fact.
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1269
“Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. “
BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!
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1270
Shrill is too kind… condescending, smarmy, witchy…
God, she’s an evil looking bitch. I bet her husband cringes when she gets that ugly thin, tight lipped grimace thing she does.That’s probably why he’s anxious to get her 3000 miles away.
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1271
From the Seattle Times endorsement:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ted15.html
“On the other hand, it is hard to discern where Burner differs from the Democratic Party line.
The former Microsoft manager is smart and argues effectively for change — if only she were running against President Bush.
Which she is not.”
Hay Darcy, it looks like Clownstein and the other Nutroots advice to “run against Bush” was a nonstarter. That is what you get when you listen to idealogue kool-aid drinkers like Clownstein.
But hey honey, don’t be sad. I a sure that Renton needs a dog catcher. Here is a hint, don’t mention George Bush!
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Commentby phenteramine— 10/15/06@ 11:48 am
“What do you suppose the Times means by: “…the deceptive Democratic party line.”?”
Why that we’re somehow being unfair when we link Mr. Reichert to the policies and votes of the Republican-controlled House of Representatives. The fact that he is a member of that majority and votes with it 90% of the time should be considered to be just a coincidence. They believe that his “brave” votes (in situations where his vote would make no difference) should be taken as evidence of his independence.
I do not, however, note the same level of concern when Mr. McGavick tries to link Ms. Cantwell to the policies and votes of the Republican-controlled Senate, despite being in the minority party and having voted against many (admittedly, not enough) of those policies.
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1273
BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!
Anything else?
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pbj@14: you’re a shrill, out-of-the-mainstream, wingnut. Thank you voters of the 8th district for not being like pbj.
The Times’ endorsement is underhanded. The true reason for the Reichert endorsement is that Dave will toe the line on the estate tax.
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1275
John Wayne Gacy
When Chicago businessman John Wayne Gacy was exposed in December 1978 as a sadistic homosexual serial killer it came as a seismic shock to his neighbours, friends and business associates.
It was also deeply embarrassing for the Democratic Partyof President Jimmy Carter as Gacy was an enthusiastic supporter who had been photographed with the First Lady, Rosalyn Carter.
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1276
“BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!”
Commentby Free Speech— 10/15/06@ 12:09 pm
I’ll take this. It’s an easy one.
” Bundy worked on the re-election campaign of Washington’s Republican Governor Dan Evans. Evans was elected and he appointed Bundy to the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee. Bundy’s political future seemed secure, when in 1973 he became assistant to Ross Davis, chairman of the Washington State Republican Party.
Source: http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/tedbundy.htm
“Ted Bundy – He was a handsome, charming, urbane and extrovert graduate, who did charity work and campaigned for the Republican Party in the USA.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/cas.....ndy1.shtml
Do your research before calling someone a liar.
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1277
Look how happy the right wing cowards are. They MIGHT get to hold one seat they were already SUPPOSED to win by a landslide and they think that’s a victory. When you asswipe child molestors loooooose the House we’ll see how happy you are. In the mean time, let me hear some more of your horseshit about the LIBERAL press.
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1278
What a laugh! Pbj didn’t know Bundy was a Republican!?!
Getting back to Reichert. The corrupt Republican leadership practices “catch and release”. When a bill is in the bag (the “catch”), they “release” their moderates who are in close districts to vote against the party line.
Reichert does what he’s told.
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1279
Do your research before calling someone a liar.
Provide your sources when you make your wild ass statements.
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1280
Just read the Times article . . . seems pretty balanced really. If Burner wins, it will be because the national temperament has changed and people are tired of Republicans. It will be more a case of Reichert losing than Burner actually winning. She offers very little aside from change. I’m a liberal and I’d vote for her for that reason alone. If all things were equal in DC or I knew for sure Dems would gain power to balance this overreaching dishonest Congress, I might very well vote for Reichert over Burner if I lived in the 8th.
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Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:20 pm
Isn’t this getting a bit silly? We have comparisons of serial killers, with the Republicans saying “Democrats did it too!”
For the record, simply being a Republican does not make someone a serial killer.
Happy now?
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1282
”
What a laugh! Pbj didn’t know Bundy was a Republican!?!
Getting back to Reichert. The corrupt Republican leadership practices “catch and release”. When a bill is in the bag (the “catch”), they “release” their moderates who are in close districts to vote against the party line.
Reichert does what he’s told.”
I would think that since liberals claim to be such intellectuals, they would at least provide a source when they throw out claims.
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1283
re 15: Everybody knows that Bundy was a darling of the Republican Party. Just think how far he would have gone if he had applied his sociopathological personality to electioneering? Oh, like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove did.
Bundy is a typical Republican personality type. That’s why we can’t stand you.
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1284
rovide your sources when you make your wild ass statements.
Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:22 pm
He did. In fact, the quote is sourced twice . . . typical rightwing reading-comprehension-challenged nut
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1285
#15
“Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. “
BULLSHIT! PROVE that Ted Bundy was a Republican you damn liar! I am calling you out!
Commentby Free Speech— 10/15/06@ 12:09 pm
Dear Free Speech, Yes Ted Bundy (may the devil burn his soul) was a rising star of the Republician party in the early 70’s. Republician govenor Dan Evans wrote a letter of recommendation for him to get into law school in Utah. The people of Utah really loved this. In 1976 when Jerry Ford was seaching for a VP the final list came down to three people Bob Dole, Howard Baker and Dan Evans. Somebody pasted a copy of this letter to Jerry Ford. Bob Dole was the republicain vp canadate that year.
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1286
re 22: Thanks John Barelli. My assumption was that everyone knew that Bundy was a Republican. But you know the old saying: “When youmake an assumption you make an ass out of you and …….. well, umption, I guess.”
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1287
(quoting my post) “Do your research before calling someone a liar.”
“Provide your sources when you make your wild ass statements.”
Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:22 pm
I did. Go read my post again. I quoted about.com ( http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/tedbundy.htm ) and the BBC ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/cas.....ndy1.shtml ) Would you like a bunch more? Google counted 282,000 of them, although there are probably a few duplicates in there.
Also, it really is pretty much common knowledge that Ted Bundy was a Republican, just as it is pretty much common knowledge that John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat. (You’ll notice that nobody here called you a liar on that topic.)
“While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, nobody is entitled to their own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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1288
“When you asswipe child molestors loooooose the House we’ll see how happy you are. “
Republicans as child molesters?
So it is more like Democrats saying “But look, republicans do it too!” Goldschmidt started his child molesting way back in the 70’s.
And I am still waiting for Liberals to callfor the resignation of democrat Senate Minority Leader harry Reid because of his $million land scam
Hypocrits!
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1289
pbj shill:
The examples are endless, but two suggest the whole. The Republican leaders play a game called “catch and release,” in which they allow moderate Republicans to vote against conservative GOP legislation, thereby burnishing their reputations for “independence” — but only once it’s clear that the leadership has a majority. Along with their Senate compatriots, House leaders have also perfected their use of conference committees (which are supposed to “merge” House and Senate bills) to shift legislation to the right and then slam it through Congress on an up-or-down vote.
Pbj shill – you’re so wedded to corruption and lies. Your buffoonery would be so laughable if it wasn’t so tragic for this country.
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1290
When it was first mentioned at post 5 by phenteramine, no source was cited. As for it being “common knowledge”, you have no way of proving that.
If you liberals want to list out Democrats and Republicans that are crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well we can do this all day.
For every Republican you can name, I can name at least one Democrat for everything you name. Of course you liberals want to do this because your candidate Darcy Burnedout is going down in flames.
I hear Canada is still taking applications. But apparently Alec Baldwin hasn’t been accepted yet.
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1291
“Dave Reichert began his career in the King County Sheriff’s Department in 1972. In 1974, Young Republican Ted Bundy, began his career of mass murder in King County. “
This is not completly true. By all accounts Ted Bundy (my the devil roast his soul) started killing long before 1974. Most likely around 1968, maybe even earlier. There is a case of a girl that went missing when he was 14. So people (real law enforement types) think she may have been his victim.
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1292
@30,
Skagit,
Please go back to POST #5 and show me where the damn sources are.
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1293
Hey guys! Democrats are much better at being sick bastards than those amateur Republicans! Don’t forget, I killd 33 and amateur Ted Bundy only got 22.[1]
Hey, check out what they say about me:
“He enjoyed handcuffing his victims, anally raping them, beating them to a pulp, offering to make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, reciting verses from the Bible and strangling them to death.”
Oh and Democrat sicko Gerry Studds sends his love.
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1294
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1295
The only logical response to finding out that Ted Bundy was a Young Republican is to note that Ted Kennedy’s girlfriend drowned in 1968 under suspicious circumstances. Also, prior to Foley’s gay adventures in congress, there were some gay Democrats. So, It’s OK for Denny Hastert to protect a page- molesting Republican for years and years just to avoid political embarrassment.
Why don’t you guys go back to Andrew Jackson’s administration. You could probably find something there as well to talk about.
Did you ever wonder what they REALLY meant when they called him, “Old Hickory”?
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1296
Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:42 pm
“If you liberals want to list out Democrats and Republicans that are crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well we can do this all day.”
And vice-versa. We can agree that both parties have folks that we would be better off without.
This is a rather liberal blog, so you may have to get used to having Republican “crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well” pointed out more often than the Democrat equivalents. We leave that task to the happy folks over at unSP, who are glad to take up that burden.
At least we’re honest enough to admit our bias around here, and we’ll (reluctantly) admit that there are some Democrats that are less than stellar examples of truth, justice and the American way. Some of the right-wing blogs cannot apparently return that honesty.
Mr. Reichert has claimed credit for almost single-handedly catching the Green River Killer, despite evidence that he was somewhat less than completely helpful in that task. Yes, linking Ted Bundy to Mr. Reichert is a bit of a cheap shot, but perhaps not entirely undeserved. (You’re welcome to disagree with me on this.)
Commentby LiberalsAreSerialKillers— 10/15/06@ 12:57 pm
Oh, and on this blog, it really is common knowledge that Ted Bundy was a Republican, just as over at unSP, it’s common knowledge that Mr. Gacy was a Democrat. When you call someone a liar, it’s best to make sure that he isn’t telling the truth, whether or not he posts references.
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1297
Republicans are the party of torture, midnight arrests, no habeus corpus, diminution of our constitutional rights.
You’re a bunch of sadistic crooks — like Ted Bundy.
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1298
@42,
“So, It’s OK for Denny Hastert to protect a page- molesting Republican for years and years just to avoid political embarrassment.”
Why is it that liberals get all up in arms when laws are passed to prosecute terrorists, they don’t want us listening into terrorist conversations or tracking their finances, but when a US citizen who happens to be a Republican is under question, no trial is allowed, no due process whatsoever – to the gallows!
I find that curious, especially in the light of democrat Harry Reid and his crooked land deal
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1299
“This is a rather liberal blog, so you may have to get used to having Republican “crooks, liar, molesters and ne’r do well” pointed out more often than the Democrat equivalents. We leave that task to the happy folks over at unSP, who are glad to take up that burden.”
At SOUND Politics, they don’t stoop to that level of juvenille discorse. They actually discuss issues and have adult discussions.
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1300
When your side did what they did to Max Cleland and John Kerry, two true, loyal and brave American veterans, to vote for a pack of draft-dodging grifters, you opened a door that won’t close until you get a good dose of your own medicine.
Yep! Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway murdered with impunity for decades on Sheriff Dave’s watch. And Ted Bundy was a Young Republican.
What part of the simple truth bothers you?
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1301
“Republicans are the party of torture, midnight arrests, no habeus corpus, diminution of our constitutional rights.
You’re a bunch of sadistic crooks – like Ted Bundy. “
And yet somehow, they always miss you when they are rounding up the locals.
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1302
re 47: And then ban or delete comments that too effectively challenge their talking points.
Grow up!
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1303
I know this is an open thread, but do we really need to be discussing Ted Bundy????
How about those Seahawks…..What a game !!!!!
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1304
Ted Bundy was a murderer, a necrophiliac, and a proud Young Republican. Cheap shot? So what?
Someone’s gotta confront you guys about who and what you really are. 650,000 dead Iraqi civilians can’t.
To quote our vice- president: “Go fuck yourself!”
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1305
re 51: OK! Let’s change the subject. Ernie Kovacs had a great big moustache and Dave Garroway had an orangutan as a second banana.
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1306
Commentby ByeByeBurner— 10/15/06@ 1:18 pm
“but when a US citizen who happens to be a Republican is under question, no trial is allowed, no due process whatsoever – to the gallows!”
Actually, we’d just like to have some due process. That would include having someone that wasn’t appointed by the person being investigated doing the investigation.
Consider this scenario. A Democrat Speaker is accused of allowing this sort of behaviour, and the Democrat in charge of the ethics committee decides not to ask for an independent investigation.
Republicans would scream “cover-up” until their voices gave out. (C’mon, folks. You know that would happen.)
Instead, we have the Republican head of the ethics committee (who many believe was appointed over another Republican who was unwilling to toe the party line) saying that an independent investigator is unnecessary.
Maybe Rep Hastings will do a thorough, complete and timely investigation. Still, there is the “appearance of impropriety” here, and even if he honestly finds nothing wrong, that finding will always be suspect.
We should already have an independent investigator on the job here. Anything else looks like a cover-up and a delaying tactic.
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1307
@ 52
You wanna talk about people named TED?
Grow up and talk about the issues. Flinging mud will get you nowhere. But if it makes YOU FEEL better, by all means, continue on. It is all about how YOU FEEL isn’t it?
BTW If I could Fuck Myself, I surely wouldn’t be here posting on this Blog.
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1308
“When your side did what they did to Max Cleland and John Kerry, two true, loyal and brave American veterans, to vote for a pack of draft-dodging grifters, you opened a door that won’t close until you get a good dose of your own medicine.”
No one “did” anything to either Max Cleland or John Kerry except tell the truth. Max Cleland lost because he put his loaylty to his union buddies over national security. Specifically, in the shadow of 911, Cleland voted to stop the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security if it did not have “employed for life” union provisions where no incompetent could be terminated. The public wasn’t in the mood to put Homer Simpson in charge of DHS for life, so he lost. He was a liberal tool and lost because of that.
John “Traitor” Kerry lost for the simple fact he was a liar and a traitor. He lied and flip flopped several times. Even Charles Gibson caught him in a lie when kerry insisted he did not throw his medals away Gibson replied:
“GIBSON: Well, Senator, I was there 33 years ago. I saw you throw medals over the fence and we didn’t find out till later that those were …”
To this very day Kerry has never signed his form 180 such that ANYONE form the media can get ALL the records of his military service. All Kerry did was cherry pick some things and release those on his web site. Contrary to George W Bush, who did sign the release and allow even the Communist Party to get that info is they wished.
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1309
Sure is nice to see the librul Seattle Times to muddle thruogh the Goldie-led bullshit and call it correctly. Sucks to be a donk!
Nothing Darcy has said didn’t cum from Rahm Emanuel. She hasn’t had a cogent thought.
I like those tax raising specials on Darcy. It’s right, she’ll kiss Pelosi’s ass.
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1310
Hopefully these pages being molested by Foley and his GOP pals are all the sons of republicans.
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1311
@54
“Actually, we’d just like to have some due process. That would include having someone that wasn’t appointed by the person being investigated doing the investigation.”
Oh, you mean like Democrat Ron Simms hiring a Democrat party activist to investigate the King County Elections department?
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1312
Re 59: Ted Bundy would have been proud of you for that one.
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1313
@60,
Please go play with your nintendo. The adults are trying to have a conversation here. M’kay?
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1314
No damage here from the 6.3 earthquake off Kona. BTW, The security gate still works, so GBS and JDB can’t enter and loot. Could be big surf om the Kohala coast!!! [If I were a black Democrat I could go loot a HDTV from Best Buy, get a free FEMA trailer, and a $2000 cridet card from the Red Cross to buy Marlboros, Black Velvet, KFC, and King Cobra!!!!]
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1315
No damage here from the 6.3 earthquake off Kona. BTW, The security gate still works, so GBS and JDB can’t enter and loot. Could be big surf om the Kohala coast!!! [If I were a black Democrat I could blame George Bush, go loot a HDTV from Best Buy, get a free FEMA trailer, and a $2000 credit card from the Red Cross to buy Marlboros, Black Velvet, KFC, and King Cobra!!!!]
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1316
Ted Bundy notwithstanding, today’s Republican Congress and Republican administration is shot through at the highest levels with the incompetent, the corrupt, and the wrong. For example in their own health-care agenda, they failed to make health-care savings accounts more attractive, failed to let business associations offer their own health plans, and failed even to bring to a vote Arizona Congressman John Shadegg’s bill to avoid costly state mandates by letting health insurance be marketed across state boundaries.
They have failed to pass meaningful immigration reform, preferring instead, in the words of the Wall Street Journal, to “fan public worry about immigration and then pretend that a 700-mile fence will solve the problem. ” They failed to pass their own SS reform.
Several leading Republicans in this COngress not twenty years ago) have been convicted of taking bribes, yes the Republicans in Congress refuse to pass meaningful earmark reforms.
The administration is wiretapping Americans without warrants, running a string of secret prisons in which thousands of possibly guilty and some almost certainly innocent people face detention and torture with no way to challenge their detention, billions of America tax dollars go missing in Iraq when inexperienced political loyalists were employed for their ideology nstead of their competence, and the Republicans in Congress put off or ignore any oversight whatsoever, again abdicating responsibility.
The way to remedy this is NOT to send Republicans back to Washington. Riechert should be replaced by Darcy Burner to hold the administration accountable, balance the budget, and competently govern for a change.
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1317
59 ByeByeBurner
There’s a difference between a citizen who donates to Democrats and a Democratic Party activist. Learn it.
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1318
Name one thing Burner has been “activist” on.
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1319
The newest AP/Ipsos poll also showed that half of likely voters say the Foley scandal will be “very or extremely important” when it comes time to vote on Nov. 7. By nearly a 2-1 ratio, voters say Democrats are better at combating corruption.
THAT’S why we need to send Democrats back to Washinton instead of Republicans. Wake up, 8th CD!
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1320
ByeByeBurner
You’re a little behind the times. Kerry has released his records. It was reported in the Boston Globe, among other outlets.
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1321
And don’t ever forget: Young Ted Bundy was the beloved carrier of the Republican torch right here in King County — at the same time Dave Reichert worked for the Sheriff’s Dept.
Unfair comparison? You be the decider!
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1322
Abd the funny thing is, Kerry’s records and the Navy records ALL confirm that he was a deservingly decorated war hero.
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1323
how would anyone know daddy… his word? He still hasn’t released them.
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1324
ouchie, i pinched my finger, give me a purple heart.
ouchie, i stubbed my toe, give me a purple heart.
iccky, i have motion sickness, give me a purple heart. -
1325
re 71: See, Goldy. They just repeat the lie.
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1326
re 72: Ouchie ouchie, I just lost three of my limbs in Vietnam while George W Bush was drinking Wild Turkey, snorting coke and evading the draft and Dave Reichert was letting mass murderers get away.
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1327
Kinda interesting, the results of a poll on viaduct replacement in the Sea Times today. A replacement viaduct is favored over the tunnel by 2 to 1.
You’d never think it, if Drinking Liberally was one’s only source.
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1328
Dimwit
Asshole
Reguritating
Commie
Yackety-yak
Belicose
Uttering
Rabid
Nancy’s
Empty
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1329
At SOUND Politics, they don’t stoop to that level of juvenille discorse. They actually discuss issues and have adult discussions.
Commentby ByeByeBurner— 10/15/06@ 1:22 pm
Wow. They must have changed since I posted as the token liberal. Still, they are a bit more controlled over there than around here.
Of course, a lot of the “juvenile discourse” around here comes from the folks on the right. (Not that all the liberals here are courteous and polite when dealing with right-wing types, but we do put up with much more abuse from the right than Mr. Sharkansky is willing to endure from the left.)
Generally, whenever anyone here actually starts trying to have a serious discussion of issues, one of our many right-wing trolls jumps in and inserts some lame, racist post, or tries to divert the subject away from something embarrassing to Republicans.
“Oh, you mean like Democrat Ron Simms hiring a Democrat party activist to investigate the King County Elections department?”
Commentby ByeByeBurner— 10/15/06@ 1:43 pm
Actually, yes. Perhaps something like putting together a 10 member panel consisting of legal experts, university presidents, election officials from two states and civic leaders.
Oh, wait. That’s what he did. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ion11.html
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1330
Actually, yes. Perhaps something like putting together a 10 member panel consisting of legal experts, university presidents, election officials from two states and civic leaders.
Oh, wait. That’s what he did. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ion11.html “
Oh wait, that’s NOT what he did. He stuffed the panel with liberals such as the Chair Cheryl Scott, a obviously partisan Democrat, given her 7 to 1 propensity for throwing liberal cash. He wanted them to come to the “correct” conclusion.
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1331
Daddy Love
“ByeByeBurner
You’re a little behind the times. Kerry has released his records. It was reported in the Boston Globe, among other outlets. ”
Nope he has not signed the form 180 allowing anyone to get copies of his records. He will only cherry pick what he wants released.
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1332
re 79: Not true. All were released. Bush had his own files cleansed — illegally — of course.
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1333
prove it druggie
btw, speed kills
take more
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1334
re 81: So , you don’t deny it. You just say: “Prove It!” Like the thug who says:”If you didn’t catch me I didn’t do it.”
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1335
When Women vote, Democrats win.
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1336
79 ByByeBurner
No, you are woefully misinformed; but what else is new?
“On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ‘undeleted’ copy of his ‘complete military service record and medical record’ to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ‘The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn’t kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out.’ “
So, like I was saying and you had no fucking idea about….
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1337
78 ByeByeBurner
“He stuffed the panel with liberals such as the Chair Cheryl Scott, a obviously partisan Democrat”
For someone who presses other for proof, you’re a little light in the loafers yourself. You mention one member out of ten, chose the one who happens to be Former President and Chief Executive Officer of Group Health and is an associate professor in the graduate program in Health Services Administration at the University of Washington, and you appear to claim that she cannot possibly be competent to chair the advisory panel because she donates more dollars to Democratic candidates than to Republicans. Huh.
First, you are woefully incomplete to mention only one out of ten and expect that to be somehow definitive. Two, your, and if I may editorialize a bit, the general Republican standard of evidence to “prove” something you really, really want to be true is pretty damn low.
Cheryl Scott has a record of achievement and competence that I imagine puts yours to shame, and one which you have done nothing to undermine or refute. I am sure that the other nine members are even harder for you to attack. You are worthless and weak.
And do you really think that trust in government and clean elections are exclusively a Republican issue? Have you called for Democratic panels to investigate Republican elections heads in other counties?
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1338
Members of the King County Commission on Elections:
Chair: Cheryl Scott, Former President and Chief Executive Officer, Group Health
Father Stephen Sundborg, President, Seattle University
Joe Knight, Dean, University of Washington School of Law
David Boerner, Associate Professor of Law, Seattle University
Philip Eaton, President, Seattle Pacific University
Patricia Aitken, Arbitrator/Mediator, Judicial Arbitration and Mediation Services
Suzanne Sinclair, Auditor, Island County
Nick Handy, Director of Elections, State of Washington
John Lindback, Elections Director, State of Oregon
Susan Hutchison, Executive Director, Charles Simonyi Fund for Arts and SciencesClearly a group of people who know nothing about elections or the law. What could Ron Sims have been thinking?
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1339
Daddy
you have proved your point, too bad simms didn’t take their recommendations.
Pay thousands for a recomendation, then don’t follow the Experts advice
Typical Simms
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1340
Where is the Elected Auditor…..Oops, they found a person of interest, be HE didn’t want to be an elected offical, responsible to the People of this County.
Where did he Go? Did he just vanish, even after Simms convinced the council to forego the vote to elect an auditor before the people??????????
You are Right Daddy, Simms hired the Best, But he didn’t listen to them, what’s new? huh?
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1341
I think that the estate tax could be mended in some ways but I think it is fair because we working fools pay tax on our labor. Maybe exemptions could be made for small businesses and for property while closing loopholes on trusts.
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1342
@15 Bundy worked on the re-election campaign of Washington’s Republican Governor Dan Evans. Evans was elected and he appointed Bundy to the Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee. Bundy’s political future seemed secure, when in 1973 he became assistant to Ross Davis, chairman of the Washington State Republican Party.
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1343
@37
Ted Bundy was our paperboy. The last summer he worked a girl was murdered a couple blocks from our house. From what I remember, it fit his known crimestyle profile. Because of this I always figured he started about 11.
Anyways, we can go down the list and find about equal psychos in both major parties. It is fascinating how many mass and serial killer’s politics are known, since its so hard to get so many ‘normal’ citizens to vote. Must be a feeling of power or something.
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1344
I don’t think that Bundy being a Republican is relevent. I think that Dick Nixon being a Republican is relevant. There is a reason why his first name was Dick
Open thread
Comments
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1345
Simple, powerful and the damn truth.
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1346
This November, we are taking our damn country back!
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1347
Now we find out today that the Bush administration has been playing the Christians of America for votes. How does that make you feel,Janet S? Kind of gives sanctimony a whole new meaning. How can Bush profess to be a Christian with a straight face? I know, it is Clinton’s fault.
I guess all along Bush and Co have been “Tempting Faith”. David Kuo’s book, out this Monday, details the usery. I can’t wait for excuses to come flying. How are they going to blame Clinton for this one? The only surprise this October is that all the October surprises are killing the WingNuts. Democrats are looking forward to next month. Republicans, not so much!
Funny how that works.
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1348
Well, you on the Right, how do you justify the facts laid out in the book? And from an administration insider no less.
(sound of crickets)
How much worse can it get? Laura Bush giving BJ’s in the Lincoln bedroom? There is no limit, apparently, to the depths into which this administration will sink in order to retain power. Not in order to do what is best or right by the people who have elected (well not really elected, more like installed by the SCOTUS) but to remain in power. This is not what our forefathers had in mind. This is why Bush and Co have spent so much time subverting the constitution. Well, not subverting so much as shredding, burning, spindling and mutilating.
Now they find themselves on the way out the door. Don’t let it hit you in the ass, boys! (However, Foley might like that).
Funny how that works!
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1349
I like it, I like it!
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1350
As Rabbit would say, 100% of the comments in this thread are by me.
Fuck you if you don’t like.
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1351
OK 88% of the comments are by me.
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1352
Cute video. I’m not sure how effective it will be, considering that the President has made himself as irrelevent as possible. His approval rating is in the toilet, and even the Republicans aren’t seriously considering having the VP run in 2008.
Considering that it’s an open thread, I thought I’d put in a plug for one of my local Democrats.
Larry Seaquist is running a nice, clean campaign against the protege of Lois McMahan (of “Muhommed is not MY God” fame), Ron Boehme. Captain Seaquist is another one of those old retired Sailors (like yours truly) and could use help getting the word out.
He has been active in the local progressive community, and has written several essays and op-ed pieces for publications such as the Christian Science Monitor. You can learn more about him at http://www.larryseaquist.com.
Mr. Boehme is an interesting individual, who for some reason felt in necessary to remove most of his writings from the church website they were on before he started running for office. Fortunately, there are archived versions.
http://tinyurl.com/y69z2s – Where he states that Disney is a modern “Sodom and Gomorrah.” and that “30-40% of Disney’s employees are practicing homosexuals”.
http://tinyurl.com/v93wl – where he declares himself to be a prophet “I’m still predicting: That America will soon be severely judged by God. This judgment will include increased natural catastrophes, a painful economic depression, and a time of great revival. In our last newsletter I revealed my prophetic sense on this subject.”
Pretty easy choice. Decorated Navy Veteran or self-proclaimed prophet, looking forward to armageddon. (Where do they find these people?)
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1353
More than fifty immigrants were taken into custody Wednesday after a raid at a west side home. Police were called to the home on Senisa Street after they received a tip about stolen cars. When they arrived, they saw four people running from the house. They looked inside the “stash house” and found 51 illegal immigrants – 38 men, 12 women and a teenage girl – all crammed into three bedrooms.
One way to help curb the illegal problem: Anytime an illegal is involved in something even as small as a fender bender…Sue!
Sue them, their employer, landlord, bank, Priest, Pastor, friend, you name it. Anyone who as aided them in their illegal activity. Attach and liquidate Catholic church financial and physical property immediately. Finally, Use Lowenstein, Stein, Goodman, Grossmanstein, and Loeb, ESQ. They’ll do anything for money.
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1354
“Eyes don’t need no mofo ID. I vote Democrat at every poll in Detroit, Broward County, and Gary! I gets smokes. I gets KFC with ma food stamps. I gets King Cobra. I gets Black Velvet, and I gots a mother fucking 42 SONY after Katrina!! You white modda fuckas trying to steal the ‘lection and stop ma Democrat guvment check!!! White devil mofos!!!”
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1355
More than fifty immigrants were taken into custody Wednesday after a raid at a west side home. Police were called to the home on Senisa Street after they received a tip about stolen cars. When they arrived, they saw four people running from the house. They looked inside the “stash house” and found 51 illegal immigrants – 38 men, 12 women and a teenage girl – all crammed into three bedrooms. […..Just in time for the November elections!! Nancy Pelosi has orders to bus them to where they are needed in a close race!!!]
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1356
Daddy Love, 20 bucks at COB Friday if Hastert is still speaker. As always, you libs will lose every time.
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1357
COB Friday, Daddy Love, you may make a 20 dollar donation to the Nation Cystic Fibrosis Foundation under the name of DR JCH Kennedy, ESQ [IF Hastert is still speaker, and he will be.] Info Goldy in your web donation as proof. Now, If you win, I’ll follow your instructions. As all democrats are victims and ALWAYS spend other people’s money, this will be new for you. I’ll enjoy every moments, and too bad we didn’t bet a few grand. JCH
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1358
WOW!
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1359
News Alert:
More than 50,000 cells believed to have come from the brain of a HorsesAss.org commenter who goes by the handle “JCH” were found Tuesday by the Tukwila Police Department Vice Unit. The cells were found in an area frequented by sex workers and their patrons.
One worker who requested anonymity stated that she knew of the individual known as “JCH” and found him to be: “Creepy. Always mumbling about Kennedys and asking us girls if we’re illegal or if we need a doctor of something.. He’s disgusting. You can’t even make out whatr he’s saying half the time. If we’re really hurting for money I guess we’ll take him but otherwise…well…he just stays in his car and looks. I know what he’s doing in there. Most guys are pretty nice. He’s just a pervert.”
“JCH” has been rumored to be estranged from his family due to his extreme and bizarre political views and sources reveal that there is concern among what little family that will acknowledge him as to how the loss of more brain cells will affect “JCH”.
“He’s lost a lot over the years.” Says one family member who spoke off the record, “It was bad enough when he was listening to just Rush, Carlson and Kirby Wilbur…that was bad enough. You could see him degrade. Then he got into Glenn Beck and Michael Savage really heavy. It was like crack to him. He couldn’t stop. Said he didn’t want to…didn’t need to. We fought about it. I had to cut him off. Tough Love, you know.”
Authorities say the individual is not dangerous as far as they know, but residents and businesses in the area are being alerted.
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1360
WASHINGTON – The U.S. government posted a larger-than-expected $56.03 billion budget surplus in September as record outlays were more than offset by record tax receipts, the Treasury Department said on Thursday. The surplus, which closed out the fiscal year, compared with a $35.23 billion surplus in September 2005. Wall Street economists polled by Reuters last Friday were expecting a September surplus of $45.0 billion. [………….Congratulations, President Bush!!! What great news!!!! hehe, JCH]
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1361
WOW!
Commentby Rujax!— […….A very “indepth” post by Rujax. One of his best!]
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1362
The first winter storm of the season brought record snowfall to parts of Michigan today and the earliest snowfall in Chicago since record-keeping began in 1871, according to the National Weather Service. /break/ The sudden polar air mass prompted freeze warnings and frost advisories from eastern Colorado to western Pennsylvania. Wintry weather was expected to hit New York City on Friday. /break/ it has potential to set up a harder winter because it is dumping heavily on Canada, where the Arctic air originated. [……..Congratulations to President Bush for solving the “problem” of global warming!!!! hehe, JCH]
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1363
Charges have reportedly been filed against a HorsesAss.org commenter who goes by the handle “Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ”
Charges of fraud, misrepresentation and impersonation reportedly are being prepared. The charges state that the individual is neither a doctor nor a Kennedy. Evidence supports that he is certainly NOT a gentleman. -
1364
Hey FUCKWIT…how’s this one…
“Fuck you…ya fucking fuck!”
(Seen on a tee-shirt in NY)
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1365
“Eyes don’t need no mofo ID. I vote Democrat at every poll in Detroit, Broward County, and Gary! I gets da smokes from da Democrat bitch who drives da bus on ‘lection day! I gets KFC with ma food stamps. I gets King Cobra. I gets Black Velvet, and I gots a mother fucking 42 SONY after Katrina from Best Buy after eyes fucked up da security window!! You white modda fuckas trying to steal the ‘lection by only lettin me vote once! Then you mofos will stop ma Democrat guvment check!!! White devil mofos!!!” [Rujax!]
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12 JCH
Hmmm…As I have said before, not that anything anyone ever says affects the content of your posts, I fully expect Dennis Hastert to remain in his office as Speaker no matter how large the majorities urging him to resign become or how many Republicans call for it.
Until the next election for Speaker (or Minority Leader), that is, when I fully expect someone like Mitch McConnell to replace him and drive the GOP even further right.
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1367
I prefer McNaughton’s, jackass.
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1368
Larry Seaquist is running a nice, clean campaign
“…You cannot torture your way to democracy…” – Larry Seaquist
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1369
Every fall and/or winter some idiot observes that because it is cold outside there is no global warming. Really adds to the debate.
Of course, there is an El Niño event this year which should make it generally warmer and wetter in the SW and SE US, and generally warmer and drier in the Pacific NW. There are many climate scientists who believe that we are heading to a more or less permanent El Niño condition, due to anthropocentric global climate change.
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1370
Good ad in the post. Bush is a dangerous idiot, and we can waste no opportunity to remind voters of that fact. Nothing will change until we change who runs things back there. Voting for Mike! won’t do it. Voting for Reichert sure as hell won’t do it. He can’t even change his own underwear.
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1371
Daddy,
How do you KNOW that he doesn’t change his underwear?
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1372
28
He’s not capable of it intellectually.
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1373
Hey, stay the course. Vote Reichert for four more years of war.
The Iraq war’s average monthly U.S. death toll is 64. We’re on track in October (44 so far) to beat that.
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1374
Speaking of indepth coverage:
The Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said his office contacted the Senate ethics committee on Wednesday and offered to correct his financial disclosure statements if they misrepresented his ties to a land deal in his home state in which his family made a profit of about $700,000.
In a statement, Mr. Reid did not acknowledge errors in the disclosure forms but said he was ready to make a “technical correction” if the ethics committee determined that adjustments were needed. …In 2001, the timeline showed, ownership of the land was transferred to a holding company, Patrick Lane LLC, named for a street near the properties, as part of effort to rezone the area for development of a shopping center. Mr. Reid became a partner in the holding company. After the rezoning was approved, the land was sold for $1.6 million, with $1.1 million directed to Mr. Reid as his share, a return of about $700,000 on the investment.
The senator’s financial disclosure statements during the period show that he never reported that the land had been transferred to the holding company, leaving the impression that he continued to own the land directly instead of through a partnership with Mr. Brown and others.
Congressional ethics specialists said the omission was at least a technical violation of the disclosure rules, which are intended to identify a lawmaker’s business partners and potential conflicts of interest. Spokesmen for the Senate ethics committee did not return phone calls Wednesday night.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....38;emc=rss
Funny how the NYT forgot to mention:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/l.....51876.html
Why is that?
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1375
Hey you moonbats: The NYT today asks for GWB to be a cowboy unilateralist in dealing with NK. I thought those “endearing qualities” of GWB were the ones you detested?
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1376
Didn’t Bill Mahar say we should be more like Western Europe on his HBO Moonbat Lovers show?
Radical Muslims in France’s housing estates are waging an undeclared “intifada,” or uprising, against the police, with violent clashes injuring about 14 officers each day.
As the Interior Ministry announced that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were “in a state of civil war” with Muslims in the most depressed “banlieue” estates. Banlieue, which means outskirts, is the commonly used euphemism for the low-income housing projects heavily populated by unemployed youths of North African origin.The police union said it had asked the government to provide police with armored cars to protect officers in the estates, which it said were becoming no-go zones.
The number of attacks has risen by a third in two years. Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the “taboo” of attacking officers on patrol has been broken. Instead, officers — especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups — are facing attacks when they try to arrest locals.
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1377
Special report with Brit Hume just did a segment on the McMorris/Goldmark contest… and I have to say it seems ol’ Goldmark says the “right” things…
however…
the reporter spoke with voters in that area and the one comment that cracked me up was this fellow that said ‘Goldmark may be a new democrat, but he’s still a democrat. There may be better democrats and there may be worse democrats, but they are still democrats.’
And there’s your problem!
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1378
Comment by howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS — 10/12/06 @ 4:41 pm
ProudASS, you realize you are talking about Brit Hume on FOX news, right? They could have 5000 interviews from people on the street supporting Goldmark, and they would choose the 3 opposing Goldmark to put on the air.
As always, if you are counting on FOX news for your information, you obviously have no desire to be armed with facts.
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1379
12 JCH
Hmmm…As I have said before, not that anything anyone ever says affects the content of your posts, I fully expect Dennis Hastert to remain in his office as Speaker no matter how large the majorities urging him to resign become or how many Republicans call for it.
Until the next election for Speaker (or Minority Leader), that is, when I fully expect someone like Mitch McConnell to replace him and drive the GOP even further right.
Commentby Daddy Love [??????? 20 bucks….National CF COB Friday]…….Info Goldy, as I don’t trust Democrats with money.]
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1380
Funny JCH, that I have never offered to bet on anything and have never predicted Hastert stepping down.
Commentby Daddy Love [You lib POS……..You bet 20 bucks…..I covered. Typical POS Democrat. You love spending other people’s money, so cover your bet.]
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1381
@31;
Actually, he did own that land. Three years ago, he transfered the property from his own personal name to that of an LLC. The only asset of the LLC was the property, and he had his share of ownership of the LLC.
“A single member LLC (i.e. an LLC owned 100% by a single person) is treated by the IRS as non-existent for tax purposes. The LLC owner continues to treat himself as the direct owner of the property for tax purposes as if the property were never transferred to the LLC. That could explain why someone might continue to consider himself the owner of property which he has transferred to a single member LLC.
A multiple member LLC is treated as a partnership for tax purposes. Again, if an existing partnership transfers property to an LLC owned by the same partners in the same percentages, the LLC will usually be treated as the same entity as the orignal partnership, and again an individual might reasonably believe that no transfer has taken place.”
All of this was disclosed to the ethics committee. Note that there is no charge or evidence or anything that would suggest that Reid used his position of authority to boost the value of the land.
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31 MWS
Engaging in the one-on-one talks that most observers think offer the best chance of brokering a deal with NK is not being a “cowboy unilateralist.” Neither does it preclude US cooperation with other nations to restrict nuclear materials exchange or militarily threaten NK.
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1383
JCH. I have never offered to bet twenty dollars, you bed-wetting crybaby.
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1384
At least eight of the 19 hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were actually able to register to vote in either Virginia or Florida while they made their deadly preparations for 9/11. All registered Democrat. [……..Gee, what a fucking surprise!!!!!]
Open thread
President Bush said that he has “no intention” of attacking North Korea
Because of course, we only attack countries that don’t have nuclear weapons. That’s exactly why North Korea developed them.
Comments
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1385
Well, attacking countries without any weapons of mass destructions, or viable denfenses, for that matter.
Oh, and countries who aren’t allied China… piss off China, then China decides, hey, trade embargo the USofA, and then you piss off Walmart who will need to find another manufacturing source. Piss off Walmart, then the “average American” will get pissed off at having to pay higher prices then they want for their consumer crap…
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1386
Holy October suprise!
Did Bushco force the Koreans
Newsweek International, not the National edition.
By Selig S. Harrison
Newsweek International
Oct. 16, 2006 issue – On Sept. 19, 2005, North Korea signed a widely heralded denuclearization agreement with the United States, China, Russia, Japan and South Korea. Pyongyang pledged to “abandon all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs.” In return, Washington agreed that the United States and North Korea would “respect each other’s sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize their relations.”
Four days later, the U.S. Treasury Department imposed sweeping financial sanctions against North Korea designed to cut off the country’s access to the international banking system, branding it a “criminal state” guilty of counterfeiting, money laundering and trafficking in weapons of mass destruction.Read the whole story below
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1387
Hastert should get a nuke.
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1388
Set your TIVOs and tune your radios for tonight’s broadcast of the Burner/Reichert Debate:
TVW Cable channel 23 at 7:00pm Pacific Time. (served on the web sometime afterward)
KUOW 94.9 FM at 9:00pm Pacific Time. (+streaming on the web)
Here’s a preview.Darcy stomped Reichert’s butt. Hard.
I strongly suggest this drinking game: drink whenever Reichert points out he was a sheriff, drink whenever Reichert pauses to page through his prepared answers, finish your drink when Reichert says he doesn’t know anything about an issue and passes on the question (really!).
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1389
“I have no plans on my desk at this point in time” to attack Iraq
GW Bush June 4 2002
That’s why 83% of Americans don’t believe him when he talks about Iraq. Don’t beleieve him when he talks about NK. His eyes are brown for a reason.
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4 Lyndon
I’m adding one: drink whenever he mentions the Green River killer.
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1391
If we offered to trade our lunatic president for North Korea’s lunatic president, would we have to throw in a first round draft pick and some cash incentives to close the deal?
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2 danw
Interesting article.
Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Gwan says, “We are definitely prepared to carry out the Sept. 19 agreement, step by step, but we won’t completely and finally dismantle our nuclear weapons program until our relations with the United States are fully normalized. That will take some time, and until we reach the final target, we should find a way to coexist.”
Hmmm, but the sanctions imposed are exactly the opposite of the agreement’s “normalizing relations.” Gwan says, perceptively, “At the very time when we were engaged in such a long dialogue last year, your side was planning for sanctions. Cheney did this to prevent further dialogue that would lead to peaceful coexistence….We have concluded that your administration is dysfunctional.”
That’s OK, Gwan, so have we.
The article even more or less lays out exactly what they want to give and what they want to receive.
The US (Cheney administration) answer: we will never give you what you want. Well, guess what? Then we never get what WE want, and events escalate beyond today’s mess. Which is what the Cheney administration wants: war.
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7
And a lunatic to be named later. My vote is for Bolton.
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9
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The Clinton administration determined that a military attack would result in 100,000 dead from North Korean retaliation.
WIngnuts, front and center: your mission is to be among them.
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1396
I’ll bet there is an SSBN somewhere in the Western Pacific on patrol with 40-50 North Korean targets programed and ready to go. One Trident: North Korean problem is solved.
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Sen. Harry Reid: $1 Million in Shady Land Deal
Reprint Information
Tax Cuts Working: Deficit Lowest in 4 YearsBush Presses Congress to Make Tax Cuts Permanent
Sen. Reid: $1 Million in Shady Land Deal
Prosecutor: Rove Didn’t Sway Spam Probe
Bush: Foley ‘Disgusting,’ Backs HastertSenate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn’t personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.
In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews. [……Typical slimy Democrat]
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JCH @ 12:
STFU about anything and everything US Navy. You have no idea what goes on in the fleet or naval operations, or even ‘who has the conn’ at General Quarters.
IF you ever served in a “navy,” at best it was North Korea’s or Iran’s navy. More likely, though, it was the bathtub navy. Go on Puddle Pirate, mind your own business. The honest and intellectual adults are talking now.
Why don’t you run along and see what your friend Mark Foley is doing — as if we didn’t know. Or, you could see what homosexual activity your hero, the “Duke-ster” is up to. I’d say he’s taking it up to 10″ of Tookie style lovin’ in his bung hole right now.
Dick.
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12 JCH
I’m sure that China, Japan, and South Korea would be ever so happy if we detonated several nuclear missiles in their neighborhood. Just think of the internation cooperation we could count on after that!
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1400
Six-party talks with North Korea failing, they conduct a nuclear test in our faces, no military options….what do we do?
Bush has the answer. Stay the course. Mike McGavick and Dave Reichert agree.
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1401
NK doesn’t have oil, either.
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1402
Remember what Harry Reid said. “Whatever George Bush says, belive just the opposite”.
No more accurate quote has ever been uttered in the history of politics……
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1403
“One Trident: North Korean problem is solved.
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ— 10/11/06@ 12:00 pm”
And a nuclear war with China created.
That’s the level of thinking in the conservative movement that has failed America at every single level of government.
Take a small problem and make it a crisis.
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1404
Where are the troll whores, Janet S and HowCanYouBeProudToBeAnAss at lately?
Dodging their words like 99.9% of the conservatives. At least we have JCH as our punching bag and my personal Blog Bitch.
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1405
From the AP:
http://www.comcast.net/news/po.....96574.html
Not gonna report on ethics problems in your own party?
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1406
(From last thread):
Just as an FYI for further research on North Korea, and other topics related to Asia, the Far Eastern Economic Review is an excellent primary source in English.
Their website can be found here
Most of their archives are available only to subscribers, but the ProQuest database has searchable text from 1987 to the present day.
Seattle Public Library cardholders can get access to Proquest here
KCLS cardholders can go here
Finally, Sno-Isle users can go here
Once you’re blessed by your local library, search the FEER for North Korea articles using this link:
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Bush’s Nuclear Apocalypse: Iran
by Chris Hedges
Oct 9,2006
Editor’s Note: The former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times and author of the bestseller “War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning” reports on Bush’s plan for Iran, and how a callous war, conceived by zealots, will lead to a disaster of biblical proportions.
The aircraft carrier Eisenhower, accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio, guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage, guided-missile destroyer USS Mason and the fast-attack submarine USS Newport News, is, as I write, making its way to the Straits of Hormuz off Iran. The ships will be in place to strike Iran by the end of the month. It may be a bluff. It may be a feint. It may be a simple show of American power. But I doubt it.
War with Iran-a war that would unleash an apocalyptic scenario in the Middle East-is probable by the end of the Bush administration. It could begin in as little as three weeks. This administration, claiming to be anointed by a Christian God to reshape the world, and especially the Middle East, defined three states at the start of its reign as “the Axis of Evil.” They were Iraq, now occupied; North Korea, which, because it has nuclear weapons, is untouchable; and Iran. Those who do not take this apocalyptic rhetoric seriously have ignored the twisted pathology of men like Elliott Abrams, who helped orchestrate the disastrous and illegal contra war in Nicaragua, and who now handles the Middle East for the National Security Council. He knew nothing about Central America. He knows nothing about the Middle East. He sees the world through the childish, binary lens of good and evil, us and them, the forces of darkness and the forces of light. And it is this strange, twilight mentality that now grips most of the civilian planners who are barreling us towards a crisis of epic proportions.
These men advocate a doctrine of permanent war, a doctrine which, as William R. Polk points out, is a slight corruption of Leon Trotsky’s doctrine of permanent revolution. These two revolutionary doctrines serve the same function, to intimidate and destroy all those classified as foreign opponents, to create permanent instability and fear and to silence domestic critics who challenge leaders in a time of national crisis. It works. The citizens of the United States, slowly being stripped of their civil liberties, are being herded sheep-like, once again, over a cliff. __But this war will be different. It will be catastrophic. It will usher in the apocalyptic nightmares spun out in the dark, fantastic visions of the Christian right. And there are those around the president who see this vision as preordained by God; indeed, the president himself may hold such a vision.
The hypocrisy of this vaunted moral crusade is not lost on those in the Middle East. Iran actually signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It has violated a codicil of that treaty written by European foreign ministers, but this codicil was never ratified by the Iranian parliament. I do not dispute Iran’s intentions to acquire nuclear weapons nor do I minimize the danger should it acquire them in the estimated five to 10 years. But contrast Iran with Pakistan, India and Israel. These three countries refused to sign the treaty and developed nuclear weapons programs in secret. Israel now has an estimated 400 to 600 nuclear weapons. The word “Dimona,” the name of the city where the nuclear facilities are located in Israel, is shorthand in the Muslim world for the deadly Israeli threat to Muslims’ existence. What lessons did the Iranians learn from our Israeli, Pakistani and Indian allies?
Given that we are actively engaged in an effort to destabilize the Iranian regime by recruiting tribal groups and ethnic minorities inside Iran to rebel, given that we use apocalyptic rhetoric to describe what must be done to the Iranian regime, given that other countries in the Middle East such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia are making noises about developing a nuclear capacity, and given that, with the touch of a button Israel could obliterate Iran, what do we expect from the Iranians? On top of this, the Iranian regime grasps that the doctrine of permanent war entails making “preemptive” and unprovoked strikes.
Those in Washington who advocate this war, knowing as little about the limitations and chaos of war as they do about the Middle East, believe they can hit about 1,000 sites inside Iran to wipe out nuclear production and cripple the 850,000-man Iranian army. The disaster in southern Lebanon, where the Israeli air campaign not only failed to break Hezbollah but united most Lebanese behind the militant group, is dismissed. These ideologues, after all, do not live in a reality-based universe. The massive Israeli bombing of Lebanon failed to pacify 4 million Lebanese. What will happen when we begin to pound a country of 70 million people? As retired General Wesley K. Clark and others have pointed out, once you begin an air campaign it is only a matter of time before you have to put troops on the ground or accept defeat, as the Israelis had to do in Lebanon. And if we begin dropping bunker busters, cruise missiles and iron fragmentation bombs on Iran this is the choice that must be faced-either sending American forces intul can’t always succeed against the poor and less powerful.”
An attack on Iran will ignite the Middle East. The loss of Iranian oil, coupled with Silkworm missile attacks by Iran on oil tankers in the Persian Gulf, could send oil soaring to well over $110 a barrel. The effect on the domestic and world economy will be devastating, very possibly triggering a huge, global depression. The 2 million Shiites in Saudi Arabia, the Shiite majority in Iraq and the Shiite communities in Bahrain, Pakistan and Turkey will turn in rage on us and our dwindling allies. We will see a combination of increased terrorist attacks, including on American soil, and the widespread sabotage of oil production in the Gulf. Iraq, as bad as it looks now, will become a death pit for American troops as Shiites and Sunnis, for the first time, unite against their foreign occupiers.
The country, however, that will pay the biggest price will be Israel. And the sad irony is that those planning this war think of themselves as allies of the Jewish state. A conflagration of this magnitude could see Israel drawn back in Lebanon and sucked into a regional war, one that would over time spell the final chapter in the Zionist experiment in the Middle East. The Israelis aptly call their nuclear program “the Samson option.” The Biblical Samson ripped down the pillars of the temple and killed everyone around him, along with himself.
If you are sure you will be raptured into heaven, your clothes left behind with the nonbelievers, then this news should cheer you up. If you are rational, however, these may be some of the last few weeks or months in which to enjoy what is left of our beleaguered, dying republic and way of life. -
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JCH is criminally insane.
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Not gonna report on ethics problems in your own party?
Why? You guys are doing that for us. Throw Reid out and replace him with a real democrat.
Now, how about Hastert’s land deal? You gonna’ report on THAT ethics problem? No? Didn’t think so.
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ehadless lucy
No offense, but you should excerpt only and then link to the full content. That’s really “fair use” under copyright law, and it allows those who are really interested to follow up while sparing those who aren’t so much.
Use <blockquote></blockquote> tags for the excerpt and it will indent the content.
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21 Hypocrite watcher
“Not gonna report on ethics problems in your own party?”
I don’t know who you’re talking to. The deal seems sloppy but not shady. Reid reported teh sale to Congress, but the informal arrangements beforehand he did not. I think he shoudl have, but there does not seem to be even an appearance of a conflict of interest, just improper reporting.
It’s not like he used information from his office to profit, and did not use the influence of his office to profit. He just reported it wrong. It should go to the Ethics committe for breaking the reporting requirements.
I think they might be a little busy right now, though. Don’t you?
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24
Can’t argue with you there.
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John McCain today (re: NKorea)
“I think this is the wrong time for us to be engaging in finger pointing…” when in this crucial time, we need the world and Americans united in going to the United Nations to bring about sanctions against North Korea.
John McCain yesterday
“The fact is that it is a failure of the Clinton administration…”
No one except him, maybe? Or IOKIYAR?
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NoKo has been developing WMD since GWB was governor of Texas. Believe it or not, Goldy, the world’s foreign policy problems weren’t all created by Bush.
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“the world’s foreign policy problems weren’t all created by Bush.
Commentby Jimmy Carteer— 10/11/06@ 3:24 pmBut he did make them all worse. Going from the point in 2002 when the nuclear fuel rods were under lock and key to NK kicking out the inspectors, while declaring they were going to make a nuclear bomb, all the while Bush had other priorities besides protecting the vital interests of America’s security.
Now the worst kinds of weapons are in the hands of a rouge dictator and up for sale to any terrorists willing to use them against the United States.
Defending the Homeland is no priority of the Republicans, otherwise, they would’ve adopted the Democrat’s ideas on spending money to inspect cargo ships against nuclear and radioactive weapons from entering US ports.
That’s the difference from trying to protect America and doing nothing.
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30 Jimmeh
North Korea was stopped from enriching used fuel rods into plutonium, a process they started under GHW Bush I, by President Clinton’s military mobilization, a subsequent threat of attack, and simultaneous offers of aid. A sucessful agreement was reached, and NK put the fuel rods on ice from 1994-2002. However, ropund about 2000 our intelligence services began picking upo traces of activity that appeared to be uranium enrichment (a very different process that even if allowed to continue would not have produced a bomb by now).
In 2002, North Korea claimed that they had been enriching uranium, though it was never definitively established. Bush used the occasion to abrogate the 1994 Agreed Framework. NK, in return, pulled out of the NPT, kicked out the IAEA inspectors, grabbed their fuel rods and started reprocessing to create weapns-grade plutonium. Bush (and his people) have failed to negotiate any kind of subsequent agreement to persuade them to stop.
Our intelligence services estimate that they have gotten material for about 13 bombs that way since 2002. They just exploded the first one.
What part of what has happened since 2002 is NOT Bush’s fault?
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31 GBS
Ooh, a rouge dictator? I’ll bet he’s cute that way.
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Proud Leftist,
I understand your statement about trading leaders is in jest. Rest assured that American women won’t tolerate NK’s leader here in the US! I don’t know any females who want to be FORCED into prostitution or FORCED to marry some political friend of someone’s.
Do you want your city leader or should I say military leader selecting your bride for you?
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DL @ 33:
LOL, Yeah, all pretty in PINK like JCH getting into his mommy’s make up.
OK, OK “rogue” dictator!
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Mac @ 34
I was joking, for the most part. With regard to his own people, there’s not a lot to say in Kim Il Jung’s defense. On the other hand, at least he’s not off launching preemptive wars in far parts of the world. -
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13. jch / Re: Sen. Harry Reid: $1 Million in Shady Land Deal
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“Actually, he did own that land. It just so happened that three years ago, he transfered the property from his own personal name to that of an LLC.
It’d be kind of like me selling Daily Kos, and someone claiming I reaped a windfall from it because I “sold it three years ago”. I didn’t. Daily Kos became an LLC. As did Reid’s piece of land.
And btw, this was all disclosed to the ethics committee. The place were things got sloppy is that Reid continued to disclose ownership of the land as a personal asset rather than ownership in the LLC which owned the land. But that’s it. Fact is, the LLC had no other assets other than this piece of land, and Reid disclosed ownership of the piece of land.
Solomon is either being dishonest or an idiot. But watch the wingers and GOP try to gain traction off this story to divert from their coddling of a sexual predator.
Update: Note that there is no charge or evidence or anything that would suggest that Reid used his position of authority to boost the value of the land. That would be troublesome. As it is in NC-11 where Rep. Charles Taylor (R) used earmarks to line his pockets.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...../175829/67
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NOTHING you won’t lie about is there, asshole!
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jch.
What a fuckwit.
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Rujax @ 38:
Tell us how you really feel about, JCH.
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jch, a man of whom it can truly be said, “He left the world a better place…by leaving it.”
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I’d like to propose something in this thread for idle speculation.
North Korea doesn’t have a bomb.
Here are some things to ponder:
Engineering:
a) The explosion was < 1Kt. b) The original "Little Boy" bomb was about 15Kt c) The designs for a fission bomb (ala "Little Boy", the Hiroshima bomb) are dirt simple. You take two chunks of uranium which are of subcritical mass and slam them into each other. The resulting "supercritical" mass goes boom. While refining enough U-235 to make a fissionable weapon is a major accomplishment, making it explode once you have it is not. (Note: Plutonium-based weapons are much more complicated. Yes, they really ARE rocket science) c) We can speculate that based on the yield of the explosion (1/15th or less of the original Hiroshima bomb) was probably not the result of a chain reaction. Political: a) Kim Jong-Il gets a lot of mileage out of acting insane. It works. He behaves badly, everyone gos back and renegotiates agreements with North Korea over and over, and he squeezes out a slightly bigger allowance than he had last time. b) Actually having a weapon increases the odds that the interested parties will decide he's no longer weird and annoying, and is actually dangerous. This could lead to a bunch of scenarios that would be detrimental to Kim enjoying a happy retirement. As I've said before, there's a lot of reluctance to do this because nobody wants to see millions of refugees in China, Japan, and South Korea. When people start weighing the unplesantness of millions of refugees vs the unpleasantless of Seoul or Tokyo glowing in the dark, their willingness to swallow unpleasant scenarios changes. c) Ambiguity buys time, although time for what I'm not sure. He won't be invaded because there might be a nuclear response. He gets to negotiate more goodies in exchange for handing over whatever he does have. Kim gets to look good to his consituency (yes, he has one, it’s probably a constituency of 100 or so) because he gets to play poker and win against much bigger opponents.
Sooner or later we’ll look for radiation leakage and won’t find it. At that point, the game is up.
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re 26: Gotcha! I’ll do that.
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weird, my message got mangled.
I blame the NSA.
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PL,
I knew you were joking, it just hit a nerve because I heard a story, yesterday I think, that he created a special group of girls, some as young as 13 to give him sex…………
I also watched a news report of a Korean War deserter who lived in the North for years. I was more disgusted by his treatment to include ordering him when and to whom he would marry than I was over his desertion…………………….
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sgmmac @ 44:
I’ve heard stories of deserters who went to the North.
As bad as desertion is, I figure 40 years of living in NK is more than enough punishment.
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ST. LOUIS – Election officials say hundreds of potentially bogus registration cards, including ones for dead and underage people, were submitted by a branch of a national group that has been criticized in the past for similar offenses. At least 1,500 potentially fraudulent registration cards were turned in by the St. Louis branch of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN……[“Mother Fuck…Hows can that bees? We bees votin Democrat in East St. Louis!”]
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46, cont…..”You white modda fuckas trying to steal the ‘lection and stop ma guvment check!!! White devil mofos!!!”
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“Eyes don’t need no mofo ID. I vote Democrat at every poll in Detroit, Broward County, and Gary! I gets smokes. I gets KFC with ma food stamps. I gets King Cobra. I gets Black Velvet, and I gots a mother fucking 42 SONY after Katrina!! You white modda fuckas trying to steal the ‘lection and stop ma Democrat guvment check!!! White devil mofos!!!”
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Moonbat quiz: Where does peace come from?
1) Attempting to pacify and appease assholes.
2) Destroying asshole’s ability to make war.
Hint: 1980s….
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MTR @ 49:
And isn’t it interesting that option 2 hasn’t been excercised yet? I’m sure we can blame the Democrats for this somehow.
Ummm, dude. Really, we have to talk.
Whatever small (ahem) failings Kim Jong-Il has as an economic manager, he is neither stupid nor crazy.
Kim has built his broken little rathole with the full knowledge that a substantial portion of the US military is RIGHT NEXT FUCKING DOOR.
Another substantial portion of the military is also RIGHT NEXT FUCKING DOOR IN OKINAWA.
If he had done something stupid like putting a refining facility in plain sight (like Saddam did back in 1980, remember?), this would be a solved problem. The facility would be bombed flat, there would be a huge hole in the ground, and there would be no facility.
If we didn’t feel like leaving our fingerprints on it, South Korea has a dandy air force.
There’s nothing to bomb. There is some speculation as to where refining facilities might be, and they’re under many many tons of rock.
For the 999th time, there is NO political support anywhere in Asia for regime change in North Korea. Ask any pol in China, Japan, or South Korea if the world would be better without Kim Jong-Il in it, and the answer will be some variation of “Yes, but…”
So, for the last time.
There is no clear site to bomb. You will not get blessings from the neighbors to decapitate the leadership the way we did in Iraq.
So what are you going to do?
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Nucular nucular nuclular nucular nucular nucular nucular nucular nuclular nucular nucular nucular nucular nucular nuclular nucular nucular nucular nucular nucular nuclular nucular nucular nucular nucular.
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1436
The horse’s ASS is X President Carter. He is a traitor to this country. If he had peanuts for brains, he might be smarter. It never ceases to amaze me, being only a dumb nineth grade 68 year old female;
Money that people can believe the garbage the social party dishes out. Especially the likes of Jimmy Carter, Bill and Hillary, and James Soros dish out.
I”ve worked since I was 12 years old and raised 3 children and no welfare, and I am better for it. The sociaist party would keep you dependent while they fill their pockets and tell you what they are doing for you. Wise up to socialism. You will never have anything if you look to them for your living. They DO NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE; after all you are not as smart or deserving as them, ” YOU ARE TO STUPID TO KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU”.
Open thread
Friday evening I challenged my readers to raise an additional $1200 by the end of the weekend for Peter Goldmark, so that we could bring the total raised for him via my Act Blue page past the $7,000 mark. Well, once again you beat the target, raising nearly $1,400, and bring Goldmark’s total to $7,172.53.
Thank you all for your continued generosity. Together we have now raised nearly $16,000 for Goldmark and Darcy Burner. That is truly amazing.
Comments
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The system used by military personnel to cast absentee votes is still not working well, six years after the problem was highlighted by disqualified ballots in the contested Florida recount of 2000, election officials say. But the Pentagon is releasing statistics and fact sheets to show that armed-forces voting is, in fact, increasing, with more avenues available to the estimated 1.7 million uniformed and civilian personnel in the states and abroad to obtain ballots. […………………………………………………………..”NO IDs for illegals, and felons must vote, but we must kick out all military votes!” Al Gore, 2000]
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I think when Mr. Goldstein reads the comments made by many of the Conservative commenters he must feel like he is casting pearls before swine. But we let them comment here so we won’t have to argue with them on The Huffington Post.
Toodle-oo!
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NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico — Mexican fishermen captured a 7.5-foot crocodile in the Rio Grande, the river that divides part of Mexico and the United States, authorities reported on Sunday. Illegal migrants from Mexico frequently swim or ride inner tubes across the Rio Grande to reach the United States. Crocodiles do not normally inhabit the river, and authorities suspect it may have been brought to the area as a pet and then… [……………..It may be hard for illegals to vote Democrat while in the middle of a crocodile “death roll”. Still, many dead Democrats vote, so I don’t see the DNC getting to worked up over this issue.]
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JCH:
Thank God for people like you and me. We won’t let them polute our pure white blood. As long as we stay with nice young Republican boys, we will stay pure.
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JCH:
It looks like Dennis Hasert is one of us. No wonder he kept things quiet for us:
Many chiefs of staff are close, very close, to their bosses on Capitol Hill. But none are closer than Scott Palmer is to Denny Hastert. They don’t just work together all day, they live together.
There are plenty of odd couple Congressmen who have roomed together on Capitol Hill, but I have never heard of a chief of staff who rooms with his boss. It is beyond unusual. But it must have its advantages. Anything they forget to tell each other at the office, they have until bedtime to catch up on. And then there’s breakfast for anything they forgot to tell each other before falling asleep. And then there’s all day at the office. Hastert and Palmer are together more than any other co-workers in the Congress.
For now, Hastert is holding on to the Speaker’s office because the Republicans don’t have anyone in the leadership who is squeaky clean enough to take the job. Every one of them is tainted by the Foley scandal or the Abramoff scandal or the DeLay scandal or, like Henry Hyde, has some ancient sexual indiscretion in his background. But if the press cracks Scott Palmer’s denial of Kirk Fordham’s bombshell, then Denny Hastert is going to have to pass the gavel to some freshman we’ve never heard of.
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“We must have understanding and dialog with Kim Il-Jong.” [Doctor Maf54 Kennedy Esq]
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“We must be sensitive to their needs.” [GBS]
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1444
“We must blame ourselves.” [Daddy Love]
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“We must blame ourselves.” [Daddy Love]
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“Can we get the North Koreans to vote Democrat by absentee in November?” [Goldysteinburg]
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“Look what Newt and Bush made them do!!” [My Left Foot]
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” Only Maddie Albright can save us!” [JDB]
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Wow, Bush’s total failure in North Korea has apparently caused JCH to fully flip…, or the syphilis has finally eaten away his last working brain cell.
Still, if I were a wingnut, I would want to forget the last six years have happened. Perhaps, in some sick way, he is even happy in his little fantsy world.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15194419/from/RS.1/
How many groups still support the GOP?
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That shows Speaker Hastert just doesn’t get it. If something was a “red flag,” he should have been told about it. Now Washington is filled with speculation that Mr. Trandahl and other staffers might have been trying to cover up for Mr. Foley. On “Fox News Sunday,” Rep. Jack Kingston, vice chairman of the Republican Conference, raised the idea that “there was a staffer or two who decided to maybe protect Mark Foley for reasons unknown.”
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1452
New AP/Ipsos poll shows married moms leaving the GOP in droves.
Poll results and interviews with political analysts indicate the GOP has lost ground with a voting group that helped the party keep hold of Congress and the White House in 2002 and 2004…An Associated Press-Ipsos poll this month found that support is now evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans among married women with children in the house. Republicans won this voting group by 18 percentage points in 2002 and Bush won it by 14 percentage points in 2004.
“People have no money. The economy is not going well,” said Michele Huber, 29. A married mother of three, she gave the country a “poor to fair” rating as she speed-walked in a suburban Cincinnati park with one of her children, a niece and a nephew in tow.
…<snip>…
“We’re not happy,” said Christy Blaker, 32, as she loaded a McDonald’s-munching Emily, 4, and Becca, 18 months, into a shopping cart. A self-described independent, the stay-at-home mom and her husband, who replaces the breaks on train wheels, did not back Bush in 2004. She says she probably will not support Republicans next month…The war unnerves and conflicts her. She frets about “horrible” gas prices and bemoans an economy in which inflation seems to rise higher than wages. If life does not improve, she said she may have to get a part-time job.
Gee, maybe MTR should tell them again about the new stock m,arket high and how bush beat global warming.
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Thanks to a landmark agreement brokered by the Clinton administration, North Korea’s spent fuel rods were locked in a storage facility under the monitoring of international weapons inspectors from 1994 to 2002. But the Bush administration would have none of a successfully negotiated containment. After all, just because the Republican Congress stiffed NK on the light-water reactor and oil shipments we promised in 1994, they had no right to possibly begin the slow, expensive, painstaking process of enriching uranium.
Well, we showed them. After a few shrill diplomatic exchanges over the uranium enrichment (which they admitted), Pyongyang upped the ante. The North Koreans expelled the international inspectors, broke the locks on their fuel rods, loaded them onto a truck, and drove them to a nearby reprocessing facility, to be converted into bomb-grade plutonium.
The Bush White House stood by and did nothing.
And that, boys and girls, is the story of “how we got here.”
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1454
There’s a joke told to some prospective homeowners that once they sign the Deed of Trust and closing documents they vote Republican.
Especially true in some real estate markets — those maxed out and overmortgaged homeowners whose Adjustable Rate Mortgages are about to reset may have something extra in common with Republicans: fear of losing their house.
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Why Hastert will not step down until after Election Day:
Republicans are terrified of opening that can of worms.
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So, if Democrats DON’T pick up majorities in the House and Senate, then the Republican at best will be razor-thin. I don’t see SS “reform” or much of anythign else passing in that environment. The biggest plus you guys weould get is that the Democrats wouldn’t hold Committee chairs or set the agenda (read: investigate Bush).
I also don’t see, in the above scenario, Republicans
accomplishing much of anything to get American worried about health care, jobs, or security back on their side.Local wingnuts: We get asked a lot what Demcorast would do in the majority. So to you: What will Republicans do to win back an America that seems to be turning away?
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1457
That was the wrong question.
Here is really is: What should Republicans do to win back an America that seems to be turning away?
Your personal policy advice.
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Of the three Axis of Evil countries, 1) is now a killing ground for our troops and a potential proxy state for 2) who elected a wildly-anti-American president and is playing brinksmanship en route to enrichment while 3) has just gone nuclear. Some strategy.
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I remember all the wingnuts in here Nyah-Nyahing the local liberals about Wal-Marts new low prescription crug prices. What a great thing that the reviled and supposedly “evil” Wal-MArt is doing, they would say. Bite me, Demcorats!
Well, as it turns out (and as the more cynical among us might have already suspected), it’s really just “bait-and-switch.”
Weeks after Wal-Mart announced it will sell a month’s supply of some generic drugs for $4, the retailer is being accused of using already cheap drugs to lure customers. Wal-Mart started selling 291 generic prescriptions last month for $4 each in the Tampa Bay, Fla., area. The program went statewide Friday in Florida, and Wal-Mart said it will take the program nationwide this year.
…A closer look at the list shows some drugs are listed over and over again. For example, the antibiotic amoxicillin is listed 12 times, but in different dosages. “I’m not saying it’s a bait and switch, but you’re left with 124 different drugs, which is fine, but not compared to the thousands of generic drugs out there,” said Ernest Boyd, executive director of the Ohio Pharmacists Association.
There are more than 3,000 generic drugs available in the United States. Many of the generic drugs Wal-Mart chose are older drugs that already are inexpensive, sometimes costing pharmacies less than $4, said Ben Zelman, of Medical Mutual of Ohio. He pointed to hydrochlorothiazide, which is used to treat high blood pressure. “It is literally pennies a pill. Sometimes you can find it for less,” Zelman said.
People who don’t have insurance, an estimated 1.4 million in Ohio, could save money on these select drugs. But most insurance plans include co-pays of about $5 for generic drugs, Zelman said.
Critics say some of the moreexpensive and most-prescribed generics did not make the list…These include the equivalents of Zocor, Zoloft, Zithromax and Paxil, said Wendy Morphew, spokeswoman for Aetna.
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Daddy
I used to take HCTZ and I paid 18 bucks for a three month supply in Las Vegas a couple of years ago, I bought it because I ran out of my Madigan prescription and I was taking care of my Dad after he broke his hip.
Whether it is media hype or not, even the low price of these pills help people and I hope Wal-Mart does more. Wasn’t it Target who immediately did the same thing with some of their drugs. If people don’t buy, the prices will drop.
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sgmmac
It’s not “media hype,” it’s self-serving and misleading Wal-Mart Hype.
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More Bush incompetence led to NK’s nuclear test. Clinton brilliantly rattled the American military sabre to craft the 1994 Agreed Framework, under which NK halted its nuclear reprocessing program and put its spent nuclear fuel rods under international inspection adn control.
Bush, of course was (and still is) certain that negitiating duccessful outcomes was mere “appeasement,” which is why this administration has STILL not negotiated a single sucessful outcome yet. Bus used his reliabnce on force alone as the only means of international engagement, and some uncertain intel regarding uranium enrichment (a slow, expensive, and technically difficult path to weapons-grade nuclear fuel) to blow up the 194 agreed frmaeowrk.
All diplomatic niceties aside, basially president Bush’s idea was that the North Koreans would respond better to threats than Clinton’s mix of carrots and sticks. Then in the winter of 2002-2003, as the US was preparing to invade Iraq, the North called Bush’s bluff, withdrawing from the NPT and grabbing their fuel rods to start that quick and relatively easy task fo “reprocessing” them into plutonium for weapons. And the president folded. Abjectly, utterly, even hilariously.
Threats are a potent force ONLY if you’re willing to follow through on them. But he wasn’t. The plutonium production plant, which had been shuttered since 1994, got unshuttered. And the bomb that exploded this weeken was almost certainly the product of that plutonium unlocked almost four years ago. So the President talked a good game, the North Koreans called his bluff and he folded. Boy, isn’t that the pattern? chest-thumping followed by failure followed by cover-up and denial. The same story as Iraq. Even the same story as Foley.
And since then, for all intents and purposes, and all the administration hot air to the contrary, he and his administration have done essentially nothing.
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What do you call a city made up of 100% Democrats?: a third world Detroit [Harare East] Hillary Village slum
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What do you call a city full of big black man wanting to give JCH a little Tookie Love?
JCH wettest dream.
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Winter car care: Winter car care
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manipulators combine brashness accosts!spark auto
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Judson compulsions formalizing Boers stylized dots.drilling furtiveness excusable:
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crucible!underflowed Atlantis excelled sightseeing Gates rentals microcoded
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formalisms solid bodyweight!adumbrate!Jacobean brigs octahedron
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Lilliputian?underlie selector,suppers vetoed?Malayizes
Open thread
Comments
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1471
When is your hero going to grow some and actually start talking about the war in Iraq instead of funding for the former fighters in same?? The war is wildly unpopular in the 8th district but unless she taps into this openly a.) she’ll do nothing about when elected and b.) she won’t win.
Darcy step up to the plate and speak truth to power!!!
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When will RubberStampReichert stop ducking the media and debates and at least PRETEND to have a nutsack and tell us what he thinks about anything? Or does he think at all? Or is he capabale of thinking? Or is he so bad off he lets that coward Bush do his thinking for him? Inquiring minds want to know!
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1473
So tell me again… what is it you guys are running against?
1) Stock market at all time high
2) Interest rates near historical lows
3) Unemployment near historical lows
4) Fed revenue at all time high
5) Zero terror attacks since 9/11
6) Global warming tamed (no hurricanes in 2006)
7) Home ownership at all time highIs the fact that the big stuff is doing well why you focus on stoopid trivial shit like Mark Foley? Good luck with that strategy… (and yes… Foley is a better man than Clinton)
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1474
In the gut. UUUHHH!~
On the chin. UUUNNNHHH!
“No mas. No mas.”
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The GOP’s legacy:
“Americans are working harder, and earning less.”
That’s the CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVE agenda in a nutshell! Why the hell should anyone work, when wages are taxed, but investment income and inheritance windfalls are not? If Republicans continue creating disincentives for work, nobody will work, and we will become a nation of lottery ticket buyers and real estate flippers!
Welcome to the Cheap Labor Conservative Cafe! Get your own damn coffee … no waitress is on duty. If you want ham and eggs over easy, you’ll have to cook them yourself, because no cook is on duty either. This place is open only for tax shelter.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, you have to bring your own food to the Cheap Labor Conservative Cafe.
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3
We’ll let middle class voters decide whether they’re better off than they were six years ago. And when they do, the GOP Congress will be history, and Bush will be a lame duck.
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3
P.S., pay your gambling debt, lying welsher.
P.P.S.: So revenues are at an all time high, huh?
2000 – $1,372,376,000,000 (baseline year)
2001 – $1,297,063,000,000
2002 – $1,152,413,000,000
2003 – $1,069,364,000,000
2004 – $1,146,664,000,000
2005 – $1,279,114,000,000 (estimate)(data from official sources)
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3
As for Mark the Lying Welsher’s assertion of zero terror attacks since 9/11, I suppose 2,700+ Americans died in Iraq of natural causes?
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So tell me again… what is it you guys are running on?
1) Stock market took six years under Bush to get to a point it already hit under President Clinton
2) Deficit near historical highs
3) Underemployment near historical highs
4) Average worker take home down 34% under Bush
5) Terrorism right here at home in the form of Anthrax attacks
6) Bin Laden still on the lam
7) Highest trade deficits in history
8) The fact that you let a ped get away with chestering minors in order to save a house seat?Is the fact that the big stuff is doing well why you focus on stoopid trivial shit like Clinton getting a BJ? Good luck with that strategy… (and yes… Clinton is a better man than Foley)
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I should also mention that Bush has yet to get within a full percentage point of what the unemployment rate was under Clinton. And let’s not forget that Clinton created 22 million jobs in 8 years, while Bush has created only 3 million jobs in 6 years — less than what is needed just to keep up with population growth. And why don’t we ask the millions of people who are facing huge increases in their mortgage payments what they think of how things are going on the interest rate front. Nor should we forget record-level budget and trade deficits (we are selling our seed corn to foreigners, notably China), and rising inflation.
Yes, let’s ask the middle class if they like the GOP’s economic policies that give freebies to multimillionaires at the expense of working families. Unless the voting machines are rigged, the GOP is going to suffer a crushing defeat next month!
P.S., pay your gambling debt, liar.
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Mark the Welsher is a proven liar. He claimed that cutting taxes ALWAYS increases revenues!!! (raucous laughter in university economics departments across the land) Let’s recap:
Revenue before Bush tax cuts: $1.372 trillion
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Does the Republican Party seek out slow-witted rubes (Reichert, Hastert, Hastings, Pombo, George Allen, Jim Bunning, et al) to run for Congress to ensure a lack of independence from the legislative branch, or is that simply all there is to choose from within the party ranks? The collective IQ of these folks almost hits the Dull Normal mark.
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1484
Maybe Welsher could explain how cutting taxes to zero would increase revenues even more!!! (raucous laughter in background)
Here’s how taxes work. A zero tax rate produces zero revenue. A 100% tax rate also produces zero revenue, because it eliminates all incentives for economic activity. Somewhere between the zero and 100% rates, is a tax rate that produces the maximum amount of revenue. If the existing tax rate is above this point, then cutting the tax rate will stimulate economic activity and result in more revenue. But if the existing tax rate is below this point, then cutting the tax rate will simply reduce revenue.
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1485
Another explanation Welsher owes us is how repealing the nickel gas tax increase would have reduced the pump price of gasoline in a market of limited supply. The pump price goes up until consumers reduce their demand to a level in balance with the amount of gasoline that oil companies can supply, it’s that simple. Let’s say that price is $3.00 a gallon. If you repeal 5 cents of gas tax, or (to take an even more preposterous proposal) enact a “gas tax holiday” which would temporarily repeal ALL gas taxes, will the pump price be $2.95 or $2.50 a gallon? Hell no!!! It’ll still be $3.00, because a lower pump price would stimulate consumer demand in excess of supply, and oil companies would raise THEIR price! You’re simply taking a nickel out of the WSDOT’s bank account and putting it in the oil companies’ profit column. The consumer doesn’t get a penny of it. Then what do you do, impose a sales tax on food to pay for roads? Or not build roads? What other alternative is there? Does Welsher think he can persuade the paving industry to build roads for free?
This is the idiot who poses as an “economic expert” on this board. He not only supported I-912, but bet Goldy $100 it would win by 15 points, then didn’t pay up when the voters shoved his wingnut economics up his ass! And Welsher flat-out LIED when he said Bush’s tax cuts increased revenue. Even the administration’s own doctored revenue statistics prove that’s bullshit!
Pay your gambling debt, Welsher. Then we’ll talk economics.
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1486
re 3: Federal revenue is lower now than in the last year of Clinton’s Presidency. Historically revenues always go up — but not with baby Bush.
How about the trade deficit and port security and – oh- Republican pedophiles in Congress.
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1487
The wingnut line on the Foley scandal goes something like this.
1) Mark Foley is really a Democrat.
2) The Democrats knew all about it, but covered it up.By tomorrow they’ll be saying,
3) The Democrats obstructed the FBI investigation into Foley’s misdeeds.
Oops, that’s today! I see in today’s news an FBI shill blamed a Soros-funded liberal group for obstructing the investigation by sending the FBI redacted copies of Foley’s IMs and refusing the FBI’s requests for information. The group says those allegations are lies. Let’s see, whooooo should we believe … ?
When Republicans talk about “personal responsibility,” what they really mean is, blame everything on the Democrats.
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1488
The thing wingnuts don’t get is that telling their lies doesn’t change the facts, and it’s their lies — not anything the Democrats do or don’t do — that will bring them down.
Let’s state the principle this way. If a wingnut says “gravity is bunk!” and jumps off a cliff, he breaks his fucking neck anyway.
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1489
Gee,
Roger Rabbit sure does leave a bunch of comments in here.
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1490
19
Write your complaint here [ ] and send it here __.
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1491
19 (continued)
Reading the HorsesAss.org comment threads is a voluntary activity. No one made you do it. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. Or, alternatively, suck my rabbit dick! For a good time, call 1-800-SUCK-ROG.
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1492
Shouldn’t you be at the anti-American rally today, Rabbit? Or was that yesterday?
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1493
19 (continued)
Another option is to e-mail the site owner (i.e., Goldy) and ask him to edit Roger Rabbit’s comments, or ban Roger Rabbit. Hey, it’s Goldy’s web site, and he can do whatever he wants! If you don’t like the way he runs it, go start your own fucking blog.
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1494
Wow! This thread’s been up for only 1 1/2 hours and it’s already got TWO DOZEN comments! That’s more than the pathetic little competing blog gets in TWO WEEKS!!
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1495
22
Read a fucking newspaper and you’ll know when it is! I’m not your fucking personal assistant.
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1496
We apparently have a new troll on board today, folks. Welcome to HorsesAss, Megabuttfuck! Let me acquaint you with the informal HA posting rules:
1) This is a liberal blog
2) Anyone can post here
3) There is no censorship
4) As liberals, our job is to verbally kick the living shit out of unpatriotic America-hating rightwing traitors
5) No mercy for wingnuts
6) Our terms are unconditional surrender
7) Klake is a naziAny questions?
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1497
Hahahaha!
You make me laugh, Rabbit. You’re kind of funny. Maybe you should make your own webpage. You could call it “Roger the economics bunny”, or “Hip Hop economics 101”.
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1498
27
Neither Welsher nor I are economics experts. The difference is that I don’t claim to be one. However, some things are demonstrable facts, while other things are common sense. Maybe YOU would like to take a run at explaining how cutting taxes increases government revenue, reduces deficits, and prevents inflation? Are you an economics expert?
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1499
Wingnuts confuse their expertise in stealing with economics expertise. If they had a Nobel Prize for Robbery, maybe Bush could get it.
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1500
Wow,
You’re a wrascally lil’ rabbit, aren’t you! Hahaha. Are you Google searching me now, bunny?
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1501
No, I’m not an economics expert. I rely on the expertise of others, like the revenue statisticians at the Treasury Department, and information published on web sites like this one: http://tinyurl.com/lnzs3
“Right-Wing Ideology in a Nutshell
“When you cut right through it, right-wing ideology is just ‘dime-store economics’ – intended to dress their ideology up and make it look respectable. You don’t really need to know much about economics to understand it. They certainly don’t. It all gets down to two simple words.
“‘Cheap labor’. That’s their whole philosophy in a nutshell … cheap-labor conservatives are defenders of corporate America – whose fortunes depend on labor. … The more desperately you need a job, the cheaper you’ll work, and the more power those ‘corporate lords’ have over you. If you are a wealthy elite – or a ‘wannabe’ like most dittoheads – your wealth, power and privilege is enhanced by a labor pool, forced to work cheap.”
Here’s an example of cheap labor conservative legislation: “Raise” the federal minimum wage applicable to waitresses from the current $5.15 an hour to $2.13 an hour by letting employers deduct tips from their hourly pay rate. That’s right, cheap labor conservatives are so mean, evil, greedy, and grasping — they even want to steal the waitress tip jar!!! Their motto is: Leave no penny on the sidewalk — or in someone else’s pocket!!!
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1502
“Maybe YOU would like to take a run at explaining how cutting taxes increases government revenue..”
Gee wrabbit, what do you need all that “government revenue” for? To support you? Are you afraid the federal government might not have enough money to give you so that you can live?
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1503
Oh, and one more thing, if you’re a Republican of course you want to couple the minimum wage “increase” to elimination of the federal estate tax, so people can inherit a billion dollars they didn’t work for and did nothing to deserve without paying a dime of taxes — while $2.13-an-hour waitresses continue to pay taxes on their wages!
And then, if you’re a lying sack of shit like Mike McGavick, who got paid $28 million for two months of part-time “consulting work,” run campaign ads that falsely claim Maria Cantwell voted against a minimum wage increase!
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1504
I’m sure glad Roger is back.
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1505
32
The simple answer to your question is that I carried an M-16 rifle in Vietnam for 13 months for $250 a month (plus employer-paid medical care for on-the-job injuries); that I spent approximately 30 years in state government working 50 to 70 hours a week but getting paid for only 40; that I paid for my own pension with deductions from my below-market pay; that I started working when I was 13 years old; that I paid my own way through college, graduate school, and law school with no family help or government grants; that I paid taxes the whole way; and that if you don’t like my resume, take a deep breath, bend over as far as you can, and suck your own dick!!! That’s the only way you’ll ever get a blowjob, because you’ll never find a woman to do it for you.
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1506
I didn’t have one of those cushy $150,000-a-year “private security contractor” (i.e., soldier of fortune) jobs the Bush administration pays for with taxpayer dollars.
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1507
Hmm,
Maybe you SHOULDN’T rely on the “expertise” of others. That stuff you copy and pasted, well, you probably would have been better off pasting it in the garbage can. Can’t you rely on your own common sense about economics? You know, turn off the tv, put down the commie manifesto, stop jumping up and down flinging your poop all around and shouting crazy slogans, and just, calmly, think about it.
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1508
Yes common sense is in order here.
I made more money when Clinton was President. I’ll vote D!
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1509
Now maybe Megacheeks would like to explain to us how the GOP wisely manages our hard-earned tax dollars while fucking over the soldiers they won’t even buy battle helmets for.
Hey Megabuttfuck, I gotta question for ya. I contributed $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ to buy a helmet upgrade kit for a soldier or Marine in Iraq or Afghanistan. Thanks to private donors like me, over 16,000 of these kits have been distributed to our troops serving in combat zones.
How about you? Have you donated $99 to Operation Helmet? If not, will you? Or are you one of those wingnuts who waves the flag and flings the word “patriotism” around like a Pike Place Market vendor tosses fish in the air, but your patriotism stops short of bleeding for it or paying a penny out of your own pocket? Are you man enough to step up to the plate, pull out your checkbook, and write a check for $99 to Operation Helmet — or are you all hat, no cattle; an empty suit; JAWB (just another wingnut blowhard)??
If you haven’t already contributed to Operation Helmet, will do contribute TODAY?
America is waiting for your answer.
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1510
30
“Are you Google searching me now, bunny?” Commentby MEGABRAD— 10/6/06@ 11:40 am
No. Why would I? If you think I give a rap who you are, you have an overinflated opinion of yourself.
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1511
What is it “us guys” are running against? Umm it’s “you guys.” And the lying liars you elected.
And the corrupt government-for-sale they instituted.
And the deceitful and unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq that is draining our treasury and killing our soldiers, who should be searching for Osama bin Laden instead of standing with targets on their backs in between warring factions jockeying for power in Iraq.
And the absolute squandering of the international good will that COULD have produced the cooperation we need to combat global terrosism instead of creating more new terrorists every day.
And the absurd spectacle of the highest leaders of the party of so-called “personal responsibility” falling all over themselves to point the finger at Democrats, teenaged House pages, Bill Clinton, George Soros, the media, and each other to cover up their years of malfeasance, neglect, and obstruction while they allowed an as-yet-unknown number of predators full and unrestricted access to House pages as their personal sex toys.
Not much, really.
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1512
37
“That stuff you copy and pasted, well, you probably would have been better off pasting it in the garbage can.” Commentby MEGABRAD— 10/6/06@ 11:55 am
Really? Which part of the following is not true?*
(*Note: Just because a wingnut denies something doesn’t mean it’s not true.)
“Don’t believe me. Well, let’s apply this principle, and see how many right-wing positions become instantly understandable.
“Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like social spending or our ‘safety net’. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives like ‘free trade’, NAFTA, GATT, etc. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives oppose a woman’s right to choose. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like unions. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives constantly bray about ‘morality’, ‘virtue’, ‘respect for authority’, ‘hard work’ and other ‘values’. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives encourage racism, misogyny, homophobia and other forms of bigotry. …”
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1513
Now I’m gonna cut-and-paste some more economics facts. Namely, the job creation record of all presidents from Harding through Bush (as of December 1993, when these figures were published).
Jobs Records of Presidents
(as percentage of workforce)Democrat Roosevelt 5.3%
Democrat Johnson 3.8%
Democrat Carter 3.1%
Democrat Truman 2.5%
Democrat Clinton 2.4%
Democrat Kennedy 2.3%
Republican Nixon 2.2%
Republican Reagan 2.1%
Republican Coolidge 1.1%
Republican Ford 1.1%
Republican Eisenhower 0.9%
Republican Bush Sr. 0.6%
Republican Bush Jr. (0.7%)
Republican Hoover (9.0%)Source of data: James Carville, “Had Enough?” (Simon & Schuster, New York, 2003), p. 87.
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1514
MEGABRAD is another Republican troll. So recognizable: no ideas, just invective.
I was playing with MWS early this morning a post or two down. He was getting so steamed, it was hilarious. Just turn their overweening self-importance against them.
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1515
Now, those are facts, and the fact I cut-and-pasted them doesn’t change the facts. It so happens I don’t have mainframe computers, research teams, and millions of dollars to conduct my own economic research. And why should I, when I would just be duplicating the work of others? Most of these data come from official sources, so I’ve already helped pay for the cost of obtaining it, by paying taxes.
And let’s not overlook that if the wingnut argument that information you get from other sources isn’t true is applied to them, nothing they say is true, because they don’t conduct original research either.
Actually, the reason what wingnuts say isn’t true is because they don’t get information from other sources, they just make shit up as they go along to fit the situation. In other words, they’re liars.
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1516
Hahahahaha,
You silly wrabbit! Maybe you really can’t figure out simple economics!
You certainly know nothing about “an honest days pay for an honest days work”, now do you?
Even people without a law degree know that if you work 70 hours a week, and only get paid for 40, that either…
A) You are getting ripped off..(time to put that law skoolin’ to work!)
B) You are a horrible negotiator….
C) You like being a victim…(poor wrabbit)
D) Your skills in your chosen field are so lacking and inadaquate, that you put in extra hours without pay to make up for it and hope your boss doesn’t fire you.
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1517
This is cut-and-paste too — but that doesn’t make it untrue. If Megabuttcheeks wants to challenge it, then I say let him do his own peer-reviewed research and publish his results here.
From Harding In 1921 to Bush in 2003:
–Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
–Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000.
–Per Year Average-Democrats 1,825,200—Republicans 856,400.
–Republicans had 9 presidents during the period and 6 had depression or recession.
–DOW-grew by 52% more under Democrats.
–GDP-grew by 43% more under Democrats.Comparing Clinton to Reagan:
–JOBS-grew by 43% more under Clinton.
–GDP—grew by 57% more under Clinton.
–DOW-grew by 700% more under Clinton..
–NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
–SPENDING–grew by 28% under Clinton—80% under Reagan.
–DEBT-grew by 43% under Clinton-187% under Reagan.
–DEFICITS-Clinton got a large surplus–grew by 112% under Reagan.
–NATIONAL INCOME-grew by100% more under Clinton.
–PERSONAL INCOME-Grew by 110% more under Clinton.SOURCES-Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.gov)
Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)-Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues) -
1518
44
No, he’s the same old Kevin Carns in a new dress. He’s not fooling anyone.
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1519
46 is another good eample of the emptiness of MEGABRAD: ignoring every substantive issue under discussion to pick out a trivial personal characteristic he can use to fashion a good ol’ ad hominem attack.
Old and tired, even for HA troll standards. MTR would slaughter him on global warming.
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1520
46
You don’t understand the concept of “public service,” do you? For example, military service is “public service.” And, at present, it is public service that you volunteer for, because we don’t conscript soldiers anymore.
So, do you think soldiers should refuse to pull more than 40 hours a week of duty unless they get paid overtime? Do you think our soldiers in Iraq should bargain with their commanders for better pay and working conditions, in light of the fact the job turned out to be more arduous than what they were led to believe when they enlisted? Do you think they should quit for a better job?
Or how about the hundreds of thousands of Americans who serve in unpaid volunteer positions with churches, schools, relief organizations, and civic organizations? Do you think they’re fools for working without pay? Should Cub Scout leaders quit unless they’re paid? Should church deacons be salaried? Should political parties pay their activists and campaign volunteers at least minimum wage? If so, why not $20 an hour? Or $50 an hour?
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1521
With Republicans, everything is money money money. They talk about values, but they have only one value, getting as much money as they possibly can and preferably without working for it.
The whole point of being a Republican is living off other people’s work so they don’t have to work.
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1522
I went into public service because my values are to serve others, not to enrich myself. I’m a Democrat, not a Republican. If anyone out there has a great big problem with my values, then he can meet me at my burrow at 7 PM tonight. Seven paces to the right of the big tree on the east side of the lake. Bring a gun, so I can claim self-defense.
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1523
“…The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power…” – Henry Wallace
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1524
Hahaha,
Wrabbit, I was just responding to your crybaby “resume”. You post it, I respond to it. It’s that simple.
About the “Republican” this and the “GOP party” that…
I’m not registered with or associated with the Republicans. I don’t carry their sign around, or put them in my yard. If you and your friends like to bash Republicans, I don’t care.If you think you are better represented by, and you actually endorse THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, well,….uhh..huh…huhah..huhahahahaoohoohuah…..aaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!
You are retarded. If that’s the case, anyways.
I wonder if you hippies would call me so many names if you knew I voted for Bill Clinton?
No, I’m not a Democrat. Duh. But I thought the country, at that time, could use a good hippy in the White house.
I tell you this because in the future it will save you a lot of time posting your liberal cookie cutter anti Bush/republican/gop remarks. You hippies waste so much time on this, it’s pathetic. But maybe you have nothing better to do?
Also, commenting in this guys blog is not my day job, so don’t expect me to debate all these little “points” you are all trying to make. When you throw a bunch at me, of course I’m going to pick and choose. If you want to concentrate on ONE ISSUE, at a time, well, gee whiz mr. wrabbit, there is still no garantee I will co-operate! Hahahahaha.
ps. I voted for Bush too! And I dislike hippies.
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1525
Whaa??
You want me to meet you at your “wrabbit hole”??
Whaaa?? “bring a gun..” whaaa??Look, you retarded hippy, If I did meet you “down at the lake”, I would surely bring a fresh bar of soap instead of the gun. I think you need a good bath more than you need to be shot.
Hahahahaha…..
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1526
54
Your having voted for both Clinton and Bush does not give you credibility, nor in any way suggest you are objective. A voting pattern like that simply suggests that you flit around. I am proud to say that I have never voted for a Republican (in a partisan race) in my life. By the way, you might want to look up the definition of “hippy.” You don’t seem to know just what it is that you dislike. -
1527
Worth repeating…Hastert has been accused of only what he has already admitted publicly: that he was (along with other GOP leaders) informed of Foley’s pursuit of teenaged pages, and instead of informing the Ethics Committee, informing the House Page Board, or initiating an investigation himself that would certainly have come up with a truckload of much more damning information almost immediately, he sat on the issue until press exposure, not conscience, forced him to action. That’s the bottom line, and he’s going to hang for it, or so it seems.
As for other issues: the claims by a House staffer that he has e-mails and phone calls from three years ago provign that he informed them then of the same issues, Foley’s creepy 2002 speech where he bragged about driving teenaged pages around town in his BMW convertible, the possibility raised in here today that there is evidence that the matter came to the GOP’s attention in 1998, those can certainly all await a full investigation, a full airing, and appropriate action and/or punishment from the appropriate institutions.
But we already know the real bottom line malfeasance, because Hastert admits it. So “cheap, sick publicity stunt?” No, real and justified outrage at lies and irresponsibility at the highest levels.
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1528
Somehow I find it hard to believe that A BAD GERM votes.
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1529
By “hippy”, I mean a lot of things. I use the term because it ammuses me. It’s fun to say. Saying “Hey Hippy” is equivalent to saying “Hey Proud Leftist”, but it’s more fun and uses less words. Liberals always use too many words than are needed. That’s wasteful. Know what I mean, Hippy?
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1530
56
He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means. -
1531
One of the common ploys of the Republican troll is to deny being Republican. Often there is an attempt to claim “libertarian” status, and that seems to imply further that hanging around liberal blog comment pages making fun of liberals is a really “libertarian” thing to do. Like MWS, it seems more of the “kid” thing to do. “Can I pull on their old, gray beards and make them jump?” Good times…I must say I am surprised that someone who is manifestly NOT interested in the issues looks for a political comment site to play in. Are the porn sites down today?
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1532
Hey,
Here’s a question for all you hippies. Do you like the way the primary election is set up, where you have to “pick a party” for your vote to count? You don’t have to limit your answer to a yes or a no, but it would be nice if you would say “yes” or “no” at the top of your 500 word explanation.
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1533
10 You might also add:
Record level of middle-class indebtedness, mostly in the form of people borrowing against their homes.
Eroding health-care benefits even for white-collar workers, so an unprecedented number of Americans are one major health crisis away from bankruptcy.
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1534
I don’t see any hippies.
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1535
MEGABRAD
Your thoughts seem to be disorganized and random. Such a thought pattern is a key diagnostic symptom of Conservatism. Perhaps you should see an appropriate health provider. Help is available. Reality immersion is an effective treatment for Conservatism. Don’t spend a moment longer in the humorless, uptight, twisted wasteland of Conservatism. -
1536
MEGABRAD the maxiboob.
Just the latest misguided troll to get the shit beat out of him (metaphorically speaking of course) in the comment jungle of HA.
It’s tough in here, dude. Better pack your stats…your ideological bullshit won’t work here.
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1537
66 Rujax!
Oh, no, it’s not tough for him! After all, he can laughingly ignore substantive discussion and skewer us on for the pretensions he asserts we have. It’s ha ha and la la and no reponsibility or any connection with the reality-based earthlings at all.
Being spurned and unsupported thus as a troll-ette, and having assayed one feeble and appropriately-couched-in-protective-cynicism attempt at discussing an actual relevant issue, I predict a huffy exit in the offing.
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1538
See,
All I did was ask ONE simple question, and all the hippies run away.
Yeah, “real tough in here…” huh?
I don’t think so.
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1539
DRAB GAME
No.
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1540
Roger,
You know that you cannot quit the military, you can’t bargain for better working conditions or pay and it’s illegal for soldiers to unionize. Soldiers never work ONLY 40 hours either!
This place was pretty boring without you, hope you had a great vacation wherever you wandered.
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1541
We have an FBI criminal investigation going on and Denny Hastert is asking potential witnesses to contact him first and to give him their evidence rather than the FBI. In what possible world is that not obstruction of justice, especially since Denny Hastert is one of the people being investigated for an attempted cover-up of this possible crime?
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1542
I used to be a hippie in High School. I grew up and joined the Army…………
I love the primary system, down here in Thurston County, we got three ballots in the mail and picked one, filled it out and mailed it in.
I selected the Democratic ballot, because of who was running in our local elections……….
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1543
WOrth repeating:
A nationwide poll of 1,500 registered voters released yesterday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center found that 57 percent of white evangelicals are inclined to vote for Republican congressional candidates in the midterm elections, a 21-point drop in support among this critical part of the GOP base…In the latest survey, taken in the last 10 days of September and the first four days of October, the percentage of evangelicals who think that Republicans govern “in a more honest and ethical way” than Democrats has plunged to 42 percent, from 55 percent at the start of the year.
Deserting the sinking ship?
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1544
Coyurtesy of the always trenchant Digby:
“Maybe we could save some time here if all the members of the GOP who knew that a congressman was preying on teenage boys and covered it up just took responsibility for their massive error in judgment and resigned. I have little doubt that would mean the Democrats would have a majority before the first vote was counted — but maybe it would be better for them to take the high road after rolling around in the gutter like this. “
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1545
Daddy Love,
Wow! A one word comment! Great! I completely understand your answer. You communicate rather effectively. I say, I agree with you, in that I do not like it either.
May I ask, do you personally know anyone who does like the primary situation as it is now? I do not know anyone who likes it.
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1546
Two months after a security crackdown began in the capital, U.S. military deaths appear to be rising, even as fatalities among Iraqi security forces have fallen, U.S. military sources and analysts said.
The U.S. military Tuesday revised to eight its count of American deaths in the capital on Monday, the highest daily toll in a month. In September, 74 U.S. troops died nationwide, about a third of them in Baghdad, according to the military.
Observers also noted recent statements by Al Qaeda in Iraq that reveal a strategy to redirect its attacks from Iraqi troops to U.S. forces.
It’s all good news from over there, yes sirree.
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1547
A MAD BERG
sgmmac. She just said it. Really, it’s a couple of comments up. Is this thing on?
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1548
sgmmac,
You got THREE separate ballots? Hmm, don’t you think that might be a little wasteful? You did throw away the other two, right?
But you like it that you have to pick a party? That is interesting.
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1549
The same old game goes on. Republicans pummel Demcorats about building the oh-so-important-the-republic-will-fall-without-it fence across the border, veote it in, then make sure it will never get built.
No sooner did Congress authorize construction of a 700-mile fence on the U.S.-Mexico border last week than lawmakers rushed to approve separate legislation that ensures it will never be built…Shortly before recessing late Friday, the House and Senate gave the Bush administration leeway to distribute the money to a combination of projects — not just the physical barrier along the southern border. The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and “tactical infrastructure” to support the Department of Homeland Security’s preferred option of a “virtual fence.”
Just in case you think they favor YOUR pet project. They really don’t care about any of them, but will pretend to do so to get your vote, then assume you’re too stupid to know the difference when they leave you flat.
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1550
MARGE DAB
So long posts tax your attention span? Should I keep the questions under seven words, just in case?
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1551
Big Daddy,
Would YOU build a wall?
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1552
Big daddy,
No, just don’t yammer on and on and bore the crap out of everyone. That’s all I would suggest to any liberal.
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1553
BADGER MA
I’ll be sure to run it by you first.
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1554
81 BARD GAME
A wall is a stupid idea. You know, ladders and such.
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1555
Holy crap:
27%That’s the number of Americans who think Denny Hastert should remain as Speaker, according to SurveyUSA.
63% think he should resign as Speaker.
43% think he should resign his House seat.
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1556
So, we’re fighting the Shiites now?
The high number of slain civilians, many of whom were Sunni Arab victims of Shiite death squads, suggests that U.S. forces eventually may have to take on Shiite militias as vigorously as they have fought insurgents — a prospect that probably would lead to even more American deaths.
“As long as they are fighting the Sunni insurgents, you don’t have a problem with the Shiites,” said Anthony Cordesman, a Washington-based military analyst. “But the minute they try to deal with the overall sectarian violence — you can’t do that without coming into occasional conflict with sectarian and ethnic elements who are not insurgents and not terrorists. These are things that don’t offer easy choices to make.”
<> U.S. military has not released data on the number of attacks against Americans by Shiite fighters, but anecdotal evidence suggests that they may be risinglockquote>
Look, if the Shiites are not “on our side” in Iraq (and I think they’re not), at least in the way they have been, that is, where 60% of the Iraqi population was not out after American blood, we’re well and truly fucked there. The Kurds don’t matter too much: they have their oil, and all they want is autonomy, which no one (yet!) wants to fight them for (not counting Turkey).
But is we have to fight both a Sunni insurgency fighting for it’s ethnic life AND the Shiite majority with their control of the country’s security apparatusI mean, come on, that hs “no-win situation” written all over it.
Let’s he some of the Iraq good news guys come up with a happy spin on that.
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1557
Dammit. This should work better.
So, we’re fighting the Shiites now?
The high number of slain civilians, many of whom were Sunni Arab victims of Shiite death squads, suggests that U.S. forces eventually may have to take on Shiite militias as vigorously as they have fought insurgents — a prospect that probably would lead to even more American deaths.
“As long as they are fighting the Sunni insurgents, you don’t have a problem with the Shiites,” said Anthony Cordesman, a Washington-based military analyst. “But the minute they try to deal with the overall sectarian violence — you can’t do that without coming into occasional conflict with sectarian and ethnic elements who are not insurgents and not terrorists. These are things that don’t offer easy choices to make.”
U.S. military has not released data on the number of attacks against Americans by Shiite fighters, but anecdotal evidence suggests that they may be rising.
Look, if the Shiites are not “on our side” in Iraq (and I think they’re not), at least in the way they have been, that is, where 60% of the Iraqi population was not out after American blood, we’re well and truly fucked there. The Kurds don’t matter too much: they have their oil, and all they want is autonomy, which no one (yet!) wants to fight them for (not counting Turkey).
But is we have to fight both a Sunni insurgency fighting for it’s ethnic life AND the Shiite majority with their control of the country’s security apparatus—I mean, come on, that hs “no-win situation” written all over it.
Let’s he some of the Iraq good news guys come up with a happy spin on that.
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1558
Fuck it.
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1559
Uh-oh. I screwed up the site?
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1560
Crap. Look, I’ll resign as Speaker, OK?
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1561
testtest
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1562
Hmmmm
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1563
Yeah,
Uh, like I was saying about how you liberals tend to run on and on and on etc? I think you are having a conversation with yourself here. Wish I could join you (not).
Later hippies!
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1564
“Everyone sit down! The Mooooslim terrorists have assure me that if we all vote Democrat and chant “BUSH NO GOOD”, they will land the plane at JFK!” [GBS]
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1565
re 22: Shouldn’t YOU be chasing 16 year old boys like your congressman does?
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JCH,
“I make mistakes…”
Commentby GBS […….Yes, You do, GBS. That is why you are an E-3.] -
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re 32: Do all of you clowns come out of the same rubberstamp ideology factory. Keep posting nimnull crap like you have been today. It will be a blast deconstructing every lying word you write.
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1568
re 59: “Hippy”, “Beatnik”,”Cowboy” “Moutain Man” “Young Republican” Megapoo, which of these American Iconic figures is anomalous to the rest? Which one belongs in this list:
“Mama’s Boy”, “Corporation Man”, “Wage Slave” “Debtor” “Tool of the Monied Elite” -
1569
Roger Rabbit for President!
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1570
Republicans would screw their own mother if it meant getting a tax credit.
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1571
Re: Building a wall.
WTF? Why? Is there a wall between here and Canada?
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1572
- Test
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1573
MegaBrad is actually proudofherfatlyingass. The tone, sentence structure and sanctimonious attitude are identical.
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1574
Democratic U.S. Senate hopeful Harold Ford Jr. referred to himself as a lawyer earlier this week, but the congressman has not passed the bar exam. Michael Powell, senior adviser to the Ford campaign, said U.S. Rep. Ford took the Tennessee bar exam in February 1997 and failed. He said that was the only time Rep. Ford has taken the test. [……………………………………………………………………………………………………………….In honor of REP Harold “MoFo” Ford, DEMOCRAT, [ESQ?], I am adding ESQ to my post name. hehe, DR JCH Kennedy, ESQ]
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1575
Just watched “Judge Judy”, and there was GBS. Borrowing someone else’s car, driving with a license or insurance, getting into a fight, causing a wreak, and blaming someone else. GBS: typical Democrat.
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1576
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean yesterday said that Maryland’s Democratic ticket should have had a black or other minority at the top, but added that the national party isn’t to blame for the lack of diversity. […………………………Maxine “Fuck Up The White Boys” Waters? Cynthia “BitchSlap The MoFo!” McKinney? Hillary “Fucking Jew Bastard” Clinton? [If her husband was the first black President……….?] Sheala Jackson “Mars Rover” Lee? hehe, JCH]
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1577
I am a Republican – When I’m not snorting coke, taking oxycontin, being a pedofile, lying, stealing, cheating, avoiding taxes, crying about liberal Democrats, being a hypocrit, being a neo-nazi. i’m being a family man.
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1578
Darcy!? Darcy who? Oh, Darcy Burner? Who the hell is that?
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1579
Maybe Dave wants to get all the facts and then form an opinion unlike most Democrats who beleieve the mostly biased liberal media’s “reporting” as the truth incorrectly and then jump to conclusions and capitalize on it politically when it suits them. Glad none of you doiuche-bags are cops. I’d bet most of you couldn’t find your own asshole with a flashlight and a mirror. Ho-hum.
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1580
Republicans can’t handle the truth. They cant even believe that the liberal media might be telling the facts. Republicans don’t capitalize. You don’t need any help finding your asshole, because your head is in your ass.
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1581
Hey remember the liberal media telling us about Weapons of Mass Destruction – yeah, Mark is right. And also, Sadam Husein, he was connected to Al Queda, Mark right again. Damn, liberal media – they can’t even report a corret sport score right.
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1582
ST. PAUL, Minn. — It may seem like a distant memory now, but Democrats not so long ago dominated the battle between the parties to get their voters to the polls. Over the past half-dozen years, Republicans reinvented the system, using sophisticated computer modeling and vast amounts of consumer data. In 2002 and 2004, they demonstrated their newfound superiority — to the dismay of Democratic Party officials and their allies. […..How to get Democrats to the polls? Food stamps, KFC, cocaine, cases of Marlboros, and Black Velvet.]
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1583
Hahahaha,
Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ kicks ass!
“..[…..How to get Democrats to the polls? Food stamps, KFC, cocaine, cases of Marlboros, and Black Velvet.]”
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1584
Winter car care: Winter car care
Open thread
Comments
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1585
Heck, Goldy, I’m all worn out now…
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1586
Daddy Love thanks for your fact-based thrashing of the wingnut trolls. Rest up. Just a few weeks to election day.
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1587
Paid for by special interest groups, I love it! Look at how much they said 37 in Oregon would cost and then look at the acual costs, MUCH DIFFERENT. It is nice to see the enviromental groups admiting how much they have taken from private land owners.
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1588
Has anyone heard the Republicans talking about how great they are aganst terrorism lately? Yeah, me neither.
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1589
So, I’m listening to the Allman Brothers’ “High Cost of Low Living,” and it occurs to me that this should be the theme song for the current House majority leadership.
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1590
Josh Marshall says that next GOP ploy will be to blame it on a gay conspiracy in the House. And I’m not even kidding.
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1591
Zogby: Democrats hold leads in races for 11 out of 15 key Republican-held House seats.
Not OPEN seats. Republican-held ones.WHoops, I’m wrong. Five are open seats where a Republican is retiring.“The Democratic edge is such that their candidates lead in seven of the nine House districts that contain Republican advantages in party identification…The Reuters/Zogby package of tracking polls did not include former Florida GOP Rep. Mark Foley’s specific race and it did not include races where Democrats may be endangered.”
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1592
The gig is up. The righties have been trying to shift blame all day on thi by saying the Dems knew and sat on it. well that red herring lasted about a minute. Now Foley’s own right hand man said he told Hastert two years ago and old Denny was more interested in power than protecting the pages. Now what you lying shitbag, asshole republicans? Now what next? How will you dirty, sleazy, slimey cowards try to wriggle out of this now?
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1593
Initiative 933:
Payouts for a few
Given to us by out-of-staters
Will cost a fortune. It’s not “pay or waive”…not everything can be waived. We need to dump this thing.
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1594
Why are no-taxers and libertarians always so eager to feed at the public trough when they see or can create an opportunity for themselves to do so??
I know…. This opens the gates to all kinds of schoolmarmish lectures about “teaching us a lesson”!!! But, still, can’t you guys find a way to teach your lessons without killing people or stealing from them?
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1595
Did anyone encounter Jerry McNerney (the anti-Pombo) last night? Impressions?
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1596
What’s next, LBKaG? Check this out. Yup. They’re going to blame it on a cabal of Gay Republican staffers trying to cover up for one of their own. That’s how low it goes.
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1597
Dems are NOT going to take control of house or senate. We already know which machines to hack into to generate the votes needed to maintain control.
Dean Logan would be proud.
In fact, there’s no reason for dems to even bother voting. You have been shown you can’t be trusted with national security or the economy.
When you moonbats lose (again), this will be the story. You heard it here first…
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Hey loocy – how ’bout some more gems of economics?
“Most wealthy people inherited their wealth and haven’t worked a day in their lives…”
Commentby headless lucy— 4/13/06@ 5:14 pm -
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#
Initiative 933:
Payouts for a few
Given to us by out-of-staters
Will cost a fortune. It’s not “pay or waive”…not everything can be waived. We need to dump this thing.
Commentby I am Rich— 10/4/06@ 4:58 pm
Have you read 933?
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The top 25 selections for the most influential talk-radio hosts in America, in order of their influence:
1. Rush Limbaugh
2. Bill O’Reilly
3. Don Imus
4. Michael Savage
5. Sean Hannity
6. Laura Ingraham
7. Glenn Beck
8. Dr. Laura Schlessinger
9. Neal Boortz
10. Al Franken
11. Mike Gallagher
12. Mancow
13. Howard Stern
14. Bill Bennett
15. Opie and Anthony
16. Ed Schultz
17. Michael Medved
18. Randi Rhodes
19. Jim Bohannon
20. G. Gordon Liddy
21. Diane Rehm
22. Larry Elder
23. Michael Reagan
24. Tammy Bruce
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How many of them work at Air America and are Socialist Democrats? Trick Question????????????????
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Topping the list of these mega hosts is Rush Limbaugh, the man who saved AM radio from extinction. Rush reaches 20 million listeners weekly through 500 radio stations. He remains America’s loyal opposition to the establishment media, and he is the most powerful voice in the GOP
How many Socialist Democrats listen to Air America Weekly and how many stations broadcast their message?
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klake – what’s the source of the list?
Sure wish Leykis had been around when I was 20 years old…
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1604
13,14,19 – Pay your fucking gambling debt to Goldy.
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1605
I’ve read it and it is garbage.
It lies at the beginning and talks about eminent domain…but does NOTHING to change eminent laws.
Read “government” = “taxpayers”
I don’t want to pay for someone to follow the law. If you don’t like the law, move to Mexico.
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http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....shtml?s=us
klake – what’s the source of the list?Sure wish Leykis had been around when I was 20 years old…
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/4/06@ 5:49 pm
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WASHINGTON — The United States in its starkest warning so far said on Wednesday it would not live with a nuclear-armed North Korea, while Japan and other neighbors hardened their responses after the reclusive state announced it planned a nuclear test.
“We are not going to live with a nuclear North Korea, we are not going to accept it,” U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Chris Hill said. He warned Pyongyang that “it can have a future or it can have these weapons. It cannot have both.”
Hill spoke after a U.S. defense official said the United States had detected activity at potential test sites in North Korea, indicating possible preparations for a nuclear test. North Korea, which has said it has nuclear bombs, on Tuesday said it would conduct its first nuclear test.
Hill refused to say what steps Washington might take to see that North Korea did not succeed in testing a weapon. But he said: “We will do all we can to dissuade the DPRK from this test.”
You Girlie Boys better start building that bomb shelter I see mushrooms sprouting in North Korea. Maybe your mommie can help you pour concrete Saturday.
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1608
Oil appears to be hitting new highs — but not for long! We believe a major price decline is already in the works.
In fact, the U.S. government admits that crude oil inventories are at 7 year record high — with 343 million barrels of oil stockpiled in the U.S. alone!
WHAT OIL PRICES ARE GOING DOWN? No that can’t be Bush is still president and Kerry is selling Ketchup for a living.
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1609
Dang, KKKlake, perhaps you can explain why on Earth we’re diddling around in Iraq where there are no WMD when North Korea has them?
And this bodes well for the current administration? Only in the twisted mind of a wingnut, I guess.
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1610
How oil prices have been inflated through Wall Street manipulation setting the average investor up for big losses.
3 actions to take now to position yourself for the monster profits when today’s speculative oil prices fall back to the $35 to $40 range.
Why there is plenty of oil to meet the growing worldwide demand.
Why hedge funds will start dumping their oil contracts like there is no tomorrow. And how to double your money when it happens!
Why Steve Forbes predicts that skyrocketing oil prices are just temporary and that a massive price collapse is coming that will bring oil down to $35 to $40 per barrel and dwarf the Dot-Com crash of 2000.
Why many doom and gloom forecasts of $100 oil are based upon a common misunderstanding about oil supplies, and is being fueled by frenzied speculators.
The surprising truth about how this past year’s hurricane season is really affecting oil prices.
What say you (socialist Democrats) is the world really coming to an end? -
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“Dems are NOT going to take control of house or senate.” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/4/06@ 5:24 pm
This one goes into my permanent file. Starting just a little over a month from now, I am going to repost this comment and rub Redneck’s face in it for the rest of his miserable useless life.
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1612
The preceding post was by Roger Rabbit. (The real Roger Rabbit, not Libertarian or some other fake Roger Rabbit.)
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klake is a nazi
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18
“Rush Limbaugh … saved AM radio from extinction.” Commentby klake— 10/4/06@ 5:48 pm
Another rightwing lie! The Beatles saved AM radio from extinction.
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1615
Maybe I-933 supporters will pay me to not dig holes on public property?
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1616
1. Dang, KKKlake, perhaps you can explain why on Earth we’re diddling around in Iraq where there are no WMD when North Korea has them?
And this bodes well for the current administration? Only in the twisted mind of a wing nut, I guess.
Comment by Don Joe— 10/4/06@ 6:21 pm
Don I could explain that but you would not believe what I said because you have never been in that part of the world. Now if you wanted to fight a war what would be the best place to fight it to your advance? This place would require you the advantage to hunt and kill your enemies and keep your casualties down during the conflict. The other requirement it has to be near where the enemy lives and they can cross the borders unopposed and armed. Don these folks do not wear uniforms or name tags and carrying a weapon exposes who they are, and making them free game. Have you been in North Korea you would know that that is not the best area to conduct a War, and they have over a million man army defending that DMZ? That does not make them safe from being blown away in a few weeks, but requires different weapons and tactics to win. Now the mind sets of the two cultures are as different as night and day and require different strategies on bring these conflicts to an end. You know it is Politically Incorrect to teach Military Strategy and Tactics in Seattle schools today so this might be hard for you to understand. PS; WMD had nothing to do with us invading Iraq and oil wasn’t a factor either. That is idea came from Move on dot org. -
1617
wow! I go on vacation for a few days and the whole GOP world implodes! I saw a new poll a few days ago that says Democrats are tied or leading in all 10 of the top 10 Senate races, and that was before the Foley/Hastert-coverup scandal hit the news! If this continues, Janet Whore may be forced to renounce torture and seek asylum with the Amish.
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1618
re13: If you’re ok with hacking voting machines, I’m Ok with doing whatever it takes to make sure you never get that chance again. I phrase these things very carefully, but I am absolutely serious.
Sweet dreams…
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1619
The poor, poor Amish — I feel so sorry for them — they are such brave people and so true to their faith. If you want to see real Christians, visit an Amish community. If you want to see fake Christians, spend a Sunday morning at a megachurch where the blow-dried preacher tells you God wants you to vote Republican!
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1620
They found Roger Rabbit in Iraq yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;search=
The preceding post was by Roger Rabbit. (The real Roger Rabbit, not Libertarian or some other fake Roger Rabbit.)
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32
see 29
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1622
re 14: So,what’s your point? What I said is true — doink!
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re 19: His surname is “Likeus”. It’s a play on words — doink!
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1624
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;search=
Don check out this you will see what War iis really like and what it thats to win.
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36
That ain’t me. If it was, I wouldn’t be posting here today, unless I was a ghost.
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1626
When I was in Iraq, I stomped the shit out of this guy –http://tinyurl.com/olcfn — just as practice for when Ann Coulter tries to arrest me for being a Democrat.
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1627
Fighting terrorists in Iraq is like looking for a lost nickel under the streetlamp because there’s more light there. It feels better , but your not gonna find the nickel.
We need to concentrate on Afghanistan –you know — the place where Bill Frist wants to cut and run from the Taliban: The Taliban hosted the terrorists that attaked us, not anyone in Iraq.
Iraq is the streetlamp where youare looking for the nickel. But it isn’t there.And you are too brainwashed to realize it.
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1628
KKKlake, so your answer is that the North Koreans can kick our ass, but the Iraqi’s can’t? Riiiight.
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1629
Man it’s been a bad week for the Pedophile Party.
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1630
Newsweek says Abramoff had 450 contacts with top administration officials, including 9 with Karl Rove.
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1631
Help me out here guys… what exactly is it that you’re running against?
1) Stock market at all time historical high.
2) Unemployment near historical lows
3) Interest rates at historical lows
4) Home ownership at all time high
5) Zero attacks since 9/11
6) Global warming tamed as evidenced by ZERO hurricanes this year.
7) Oil and gas prices dropping as assets lost to katrina come back on line.So tell me… what exactly is wrong?
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Roger, it sure has been a bad week for the GOP. I think you need to take another vacation. About two weeks from now should be just right.
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I am a bit confused by the logic behind the “I-933 would cost $X bajillon” ads. Suppose I’m considering voting for I-933, because I believe that, if the public wants the enjoyment that it gets out of leaving someone’s land un-developed, it should have to pay for that enjoyment. When a group runs an add saying “I-933 would cost $X bajillon”, they are essentially saying “we were planning on taking $X bajillon worth of value from private land-holders without compensating them, but now we would actually have to pay them for it.” In that case, doesn’t a bigger X make me more resolved to vote for I-933?
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1634
Wright – You’re right. Exactly right. The numbers they throw around are how much they want to steal.
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That ain’t me. If it was, I wouldn’t be posting here today, unless I was a ghost.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 10/4/06@ 6:58 pm
You are not Roger Rabbit but a want a bee.
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That does not make them safe from being blown away in a few weeks, but requires different weapons and tactics to win.
so your answer is that the North Koreans can kick our ass, but the Iraqi’s can’t? Riiiight.
Commentby Don Joe— 10/4/06@ 7:04 pm
Don you miss something speed reading.
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Iraq is the streetlamp where youare looking for the nickel. But it isn’t there.And you are too brainwashed to realize it.
Commentby headless lucy— 10/4/06@ 7:02 pm
Lucy we did not go to Iraq to hunt for nickels around a streetlight. We went ther to hunt for terrorist and some of you friends supporting them durning this conflict. -
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RE 933, First, Washinton cannot waive federal laws. THere are wetland, shoreline and endangered species act issues. Are Washington taxpayers on the hook for those costs?
Second, land use regulation is a fundamental government purpose. Want a hog farm near your home? Want me to pee in youe drinking water well? Without regulation both are possible.
But I suspect MTR and Klake enjoy pee drinking.
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51
“You are not Roger Rabbit but a want a bee.” Commentby Socialist Rabbit— 10/4/06@ 7:31 pm
First of all, anyone who can’t spell “be” correctly HAS to be a wingnut! (!)
Secondly, I don’t give a hoot whether you think I’m Roger Rabbit, Mother Goose, or Dr. Seuss.
Thirdly, you wingnuts get everything else wrong, so you may as well get this wrong, too. Why mess up a perfect record of being wrong, about everything, all the time? (!)
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1640
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15132240/
jesus these fucking perverts just can’t help themselves…looks like the moral majority is neither! HEE HEE!
The GOP is imploding faster than a nuclear reaction!
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As placard-waving supporters cheered him on, radio talk host Dan Patrick vowed Tuesday that if elected to the Texas Senate, he will seek to tax money wired to foreign countries and push for creation of an ID card for state residents. “It’s up to Texas to do something about illegal immigration,” Patrick told about 100 people gathered at City Hall for an anti-illegal-immigration rally. “It’s our problem.” [……………………Since I pay FED, State, and property taxes equal to about 30% of my income, perhaps illegal Mexicans here in the US should pay 30% on their wire xfers back to Mexico. hehe, JCH]
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K (at 54):
Clearly, if you believe that the government should always decide the use of private property, you will vote against 933. Clearly, if you believe the government should never decide the use of private property, you will vote for 933. The interesting people are those in between, people who belive there needs to be some government interference in the use of private propery, but who believe that government should not interfere too much.
Suppose you tell those moderates that 933 would prevent $X worth of government interference. If X is small, you are telling them that the government isn’t interfering much anyway, so they may conclude that 933 isn’t necessary. But if you tell them X is large, presumably they will be more likely to conclude that something like 933 is necessary in order to reign in government interference.
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Khameini: Don’t masturbate during Ramadan
Iran’s supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and other topics on his website
Yaakov Lappin Published: 10.04.06, 19:55
Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled.
Khameini, who is Iran’s most powerful political and religious figure, was asked on his website : “If somebody masturbates during the
month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting invalidated?” […………………………………………………………………………………………Bad news, GBS and Daddy Love! No wacking off during your holy days!!!!]
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KKKlake, I don’t think I missed a thing. You fight the fight you think you can win rather than fighting the fight that needs fighting.
David, I think the point of the ad is that 933 will cost the taxpayers money in various fees and transaction costs that won’t actually end up in the hands of land-owners. There’s certainly theft in this thing, but it’s not the goverment doing the stealing.
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1645
So tell me… what exactly is wrong?
Pay your fucking gambling debt to Goldy.
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Stop fucking lying. Geez…
933 doesn’t overturn land use regulations or zoning. It just says that gummint has to stop stealing from property owners. It’s that fucking simple.
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MTR wants to build a corporate pig farm next to a river. What a doink!
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Don Joe (at 60): That multi-billion dollar figure does not come from “various fees and transaction costs” that don’t go to the land-owners. (What third party could impose such fees, anyway?) Take a look at this Seattle Times article, which explains that the number comes from a state government estimate of “the estimated cost of compensating landowners”.
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Stuff on Richard Pope: http://richardsprague.blogspot.com/
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KKKlake, I don’t think I missed a thing. You fight the fight you think you can win rather than fighting the fight that needs fighting.
Comment by Don Joe— 10/4/06@ 8:12 pmWell Don what is your fighting the fight that needs fighting? It appears that you did a 360 and now kissing a Frenchman’s ass. Be a little more definitive about what you are trying to communicate about on how to win a War. You sound like John Kerry when he said he voted for the War and he voted against the War. Better yet how about Bill Clinton trying to explain what the word “is is” and changing what the word was really intend to be express as. But I do give you credit for posting as Don Joe instead as Roger Rabbit, Headless Lucy, and any those other squirrel head names.
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Some one finally pulled Dickey’s covers. I told you he LOOKS like a perv!
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David,
Read the last few graphs of that Seattle Times article. Some poor shmuck wants to subdivide some property, but can’t due to GMA-mandated regulations. So, said shmuck applies for compensation under I933. The local municipality decides to waive the regulation, at which point an environmental group steps in with a lawsuit against the municipality and/or the shmuck. How long before the shmuck either receives adequate compensation or is allowed to subdivide the property? Looks like a great way to line the pockets of a number of land-use attorneys and screw just about everybody else, no?
KKKlake, the only flip-flop going on here is on your foot. You came up with this scare tactic about North Korea, yet did the do-si-do in defense of invading Iraq when the real threat is North Korea. Sorry, pal. The only person doing any ass-kissing is you, and the ass you’re kissing is your own. And, frankly, you’re just too damn stupid to get away with the William F. Buckley, “You just don’t understand” schtick.
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Moonbats: What are you going to do now for a whole month?:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl.....89,00.html – Khameini: Don’t masturbate during Ramadan
Moonbats will have to put their hands to good use!
If Goldie linked to his heritage you’d read these wonderful posts. Maybe you’d meet some beautiful women.
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MWS @ 69:
The point being? Khameini says we’re not supposed to drink alcohol, wear short-sleeved shirts, or eat pork at any time, Ramadan or no. This hasn’t cut down on my consumption of Montepulciano, changed my dress habits, or made me foreswear dead pig.
The fact that there are fundie Christian assholes in the United States that I don’t care for very much, does not mean that I hold fundie Muslim assholes in somewhere far away in higher regard.
Frankly, no matter how much disdain I have for Pat Robertson or James Dobson, neither of them have spent a day in their life promoting the development of a “Christian Bomb” to wipe nasty secularists like me off the face of the earth. Khameini has. As such, I keep my dislike for these gentlemen in perspective.
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Klake, will you PLEASE take an adult ed class on spelling and grammar. You write like a fucking moron (come to think of it, it was probably because of two fucking morons that you’re here to begin with).
I will say a couple things for you, you sure know how to copy and paste (without attributing credit to your source), and you sure know how to parrot old right wing talking points like “Kerry was for the war before he was against it”.
You Klake, are a fucking moron parrot.
In case you missed it, a lot of people supported Bush when they were shown the misleading evidence that this lying president showed them. Once the truth became known, they reversed their positions. It take an upstanding person to admit they made a mistake. I haven’t heard King George admit to any mistakes yet (and we sure as hell know he’s made one or two (or 67,349 or so).
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Bet welshing MTR at 47 says there has been absolutely no hurricanes this year. Are you as stupid as KKKlake?
What about the hurricanes that have been in the Atlantic, rather than hitting land.
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The “Mainstream Media” are merely lap dogs for the Islamo-Fascists.
If I asked one of the Westerners Hezbollah will say it is a terrorist group backed by Iran and Syria. But if you want to know the really personal opinion, listened carefully to what to say after that.
The impacts of the Israeli aggression on Lebanon. growing interest in Hezbollah and keeps articles and discussion programs and reports in the course of aggression and beyond. These articles and graduated from the pro-Party for closer to neutrality and even hostile to the ideology and presence. But reflecting these essays and short stories transpires seems very clear, Everyone from loyal friend to the malevolent anti Bastthinaih share the conviction that the Party and distinctiveness of the most xenophobic paid him to respect the abilities based on faith and creative stock of the human person in the world has lost his faith in human beings, and the measures strength material like anything else.In this report we will present a few examples of articles and Western positions clear in its hostility to Hizbullah, to discern from between the lines of hatred that the image of Hezbollah as witness.
In the military field
Despite the elaborate book essays and lecturers in the adjective Hezbollah terrorism, everyone agrees on the efficiency of the party men hostilities. FBI official said any John Kavanagh in his testimony before the Congress of International Relations, Hezbollah continues to be one of the most “terrorist” organizations and capacity, “the gangs of well-trained expert in military tactics and the use of weapons.”
In an article on the site ( http://Www.theeveningbulletin.com ) Under the title “Lessons of Lebanon : Hezbollah and wars vehicle,” Frank Hoffman says in the course of discussion of the steps that must be followed in the United States of America to develop their military capabilities “to terrorist groups.” he says, “Hezbollah confirms a growing trend that cells with high disciplinary and well-trained and able to confront the forces distributed a mixture of traditional guerrilla tactics and technology in the urban centers of high density.” And adds : “Hezbollah is clearly the ability of the players, not the States to study and the dismantling of military weak points western style, and devise appropriate countermeasures. ”
The performance of the media
In an article published on the web site ( http://Www.camera.org ) On 9-26-2006 under the title “Hizballah media.” make the writer Ricky Holander painstaking effort to prove that Hezbollah had manipulated the media and journalists in the course of the Israeli aggression on Lebanon to the benefit of the media war against the Zionist aggressor. The author of the article, the shipment of the article and the proofs of evidence to prove his theory. and despite the fact that what was provided not stand up to logical scrutiny without recourse to evidence or proof countermeasures, we will move beyond this point because it is not within the scope of our search now. What concerns us is that any reader who has a neutral analytical capability independent of the direction in which any writer might want to deny him a key draw from the article, is that Hezbollah played brilliantly even exceed securities embargo, which prevents the arrival of his media Kalmenar to Western public opinion in particular.The writer, having paved the attention of the party to explain the information and the establishment of the Al-Manar channel, which broadcast sought to become a satellite channel, then after that prohibits broadcast in the United States and some European countries, he says, “but Hizbollah’s media were no longer limited to only Manar” goes to explaining how Mr. Hassan Nasrallah chose neo NTV television appearance for the media after the end of the first war, terming this as an example to overcome the Hezbollah to the restrictions imposed on it through the delivery of messages to the public by the Arab media broadcast widely considered this evidence of the complicity of the Arab media. To then moves to provide examples to prove that the party had been able to also broadcast his views and his vision of the events via the international media, saying : “More than that, Hezbollah media campaign has expanded beyond the Arab news stations to reach the international press as well. ” And this trend increased in the absence of a substantive way that the writer put the point of view of showing that the exploitation wants Hezbollah to the international media seems incomplete intelligence and largely unconvincing any reader of the average culture, However, the conclusion could be out by this reader is that Hezbollah has already succeeded in spite of the lack neutral in the Western media that the broadcast of the way substantial part of the picture of what was happening on the ground. For instance, the writer says in the context of explanation of the press tour, which was organized by the Hezbollah in the southern suburb “of Hezbollah benefited fully from the scene of CNN that, for verbally attacking the Israeli military, and emphasizes that the objectives of the Israeli army is a civilian, and to shout echoing that Hezbollah would not surrender. ” The writer goes on to say that Host Zambia Robertson perhaps realized that it had been used for the later, and after several days.
And in the position (The Philadelphia Jewish Voice), in its issue of 10 – 15-2006 an article entitled “from the victim to the criminal,” the writer Ranan Gissen. the writer discusses the importance of public diplomacy to Israel paved saying on the performance during Adonha Israel against Lebanon “So, instead of that war is about Israel’s right to self-defense, the Hezbollah was able to reverse that, bringing the topic in the international agenda is the destruction of Israel to Lebanon, and that Israel is the cause of instability in the world. the victim has become the criminal. ” In this article, which Sitmad all its considerations from the point of view of Zionism net, the writer says the Anti-Zionist entity “This war is a symptom of the inability of Israel to prepare a strategic public diplomacy tool of war. it would be useful to learn from Hezbollah and follow what he has done in terms of preparations to meet the requirements of the general strategy of diplomatic initiative. ” And adds, “We need to realize that the media is a tool that can operate a system of weapons. Hezbollah before Israel ten years in terms of the ability to use and exploit information for strategic goals. ” The general message that the writer wants delivery that Israel must act in order to give legitimacy through public diplomacy to kill civilians and the destruction of civilian installations for, as the writer says, “armies fighting each other in the desert is something of the past. From now on it will be the dirty wars, This means that the role of public diplomacy has become much greater. ”
And on the Newshour Anternashnol magazine, singled journalist Kevin Beraino full article under the title “win hearts and minds.” on the advertising campaign carried out by the party in the suburb after the war, in the framework of preparations for the festival of victory divine, showing his admiration for the high professionalism of which was carried out this campaign, he says, “Even some Israeli officials acknowledge that Hezbollah may donate in the battle over international public opinion.”
Hezbollah inside Lebanon
The other point that it seems clear consensus in the West, is the cleanliness of the hands of Hezbollah. In many articles critical of the Western Hezbollah and the pro-government current Lebanese, we find that it states that one of the strongest points better than the party on the current government is clean hands in the face of corruption. In an article by David Schenker entitled “important new Hezbollah” analysts speak writer Address by Mr. Hassan Nasrallah, the last act, and to explain the difficulties faced by Siniora government to impose its agenda supported by the United States of America, and in one of these points, he says, “and in the light of widespread corruption in the government of Lebanon. this call for a clean government provides another argument for the non-specific Hezbollah to keep arms. ”
And in an article on the site (themedialine.org) titled “War Hezbollah political,” put the writer of the Roman Ederer view of the chapters of the Lebanese internal politics, a summary of what he wants to say in the first two lines of the article, where he says : “Hezbollah says it wants to develop its regional Almlichi in the form of more constructive persons, But Altassarihat issued by the group recently do not support this assertion. ” , But he says in the article also during the recount of the entry of Hizbullah in the elections in 1992, “eight of the candidates succeeded in entering Parliament, Based on the basis of his reputation as an uncorrupt serve citizens. ” Later, he adds that “there are more than 160,000 damaged or destroyed homes, construction Jihad to Hezbollah started to take the leadership once again that began submit to the victims of the recent war, the assistance that the government did not wish Siniora, or are very slow to make. ”These profiles quickly from a limited number of articles by Western hostile, and doubling times of articles that reflect the achievements of Hezbollah. imposed on the enemy before the friend acknowledged, the reader finds in the pages of the press the Zionist state that the news of soldiers shooting Hezbollah activists, politicians and political intelligence, which distinguishes the unique leadership of this party.
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Anti Semitism and the Democratic Party.
Democratic Organizer Quits After Calling Allen ‘Macacawitz’
Thursday, October 5, 2006; B02
A field organizer for Democratic congressional candidate Al Weed resigned yesterday after it was discovered that she referred to Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) as “Macacawitz.”
In an e-mail sent last night, Meryl Ibis asked Democratic supporters to protest “George ‘Macacawitz’ Allen” during a Republican rally in Danville.
The term “Macacawitz” is an apparent reference to Allen’s use of the word “macaca” and the recent discovery that he has Jewish heritage.
Weed spokesman Kurt Gleeson said the staffer “made a mistake in her language that was not sanctioned by the campaign.” Weed is challenging Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr. (R-Va.) in the Southside district.
Dick Wadhams, Allen’s campaign manager, said Ibis’s e-mail “fits a pattern of anti-Semitic behavior” by Democrats. Wadhams said Allen’s opponent, Democrat James Webb, should be held accountable for Ibis’s e-mail because she also was one of his volunteer organizers.
Kristian Denny Todd, a Webb spokeswoman, said Wadhams sounds desperate.
“I’ve never heard her name,” Todd said. “She is a Weed for Congress staffer, and they took care of it right away.”
— Tim Craig
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JHC,
He’s no sailor, he’s a Puddle Pirate! And, a butt pirate!
“Arrrggghhhh, me name is Little Johnny, I’m Just a Civilian Hack wannabe military man, and I don’t know that when a US Naval ship goes to battle stations at night the material condition of the ship is ‘Dog Zebra’.”
“Damn that GBS!!! He’s a real sailor who set a truth trap and busted my sorry ass posing a a qualifed Officer Of the Deck. He also exposed my lying about being in flight school. Damn him again!”
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jaybo @ 75:
You have just wasted two minutes of my life that are never coming back! May you carry this debt to your grave.
(Mainstream media my ass. It’s a pro-Hezbollah website. So?)
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Open thread
A goodly portion of the reason gas prices have plunged lately, and a 38% decline meets my definition of a plunge, is due to the fact that Goldman Sachs tweaked the weighting on their commodity index. So what, right? Well, all the folks out their running managed futures funds, hedge funds and other various and sundry financial types, all had to go out and change their weighting of actual holdings in gasoline because that’s the benchmark their performance is measure by.
Here’s another analogy. The Dow 30 is composed of 30 stocks. There are a lot of mutual funds that own “the index” as we call it. All 30 stocks. But what happens when the Dow 30 changes the stocks that make up the index like they did in 2002. They removed AT&T, Kodak and International Paper and replaced them with AIG, Pfizer and Verizon. Now, all the stocks the index dumped took a dive, right? Because all the mutual funds, hedge funds and asset managers that hold the index dumped those stocks.
It’s the same with Goldman’s Commodities Index. If they reduce the percentage of gasoline in the index all the folks who follow the index’s weightings do the same and voila! Gas plunges.
Great timing too.
Which leads to three questions: what’s the economic rationale of making gasoline a smaller portion of overall commodoties in such a gasoline centric economy?
Why now?
And finally, who made the call to do so?
Might it have anything to do with the fact that the new Treasury Secretary used to be the Chairman of Goldman Sachs?
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It doesn’t really work that way. Not that much money is invested in poorly designed indices (such as the Dow). It used to be possible to game the SP500 and Russell 2000, but they’ve more or less dealt with that.
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Goldy,
Please provide some references to support your assertions! Thanks!
Tim
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Goldie: What moonbat economic theory URL provided that analysis you reworded?
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It’s all about the inventories. I’d love to see hedge fund weenies lose their shirts.
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I thought Hank (isn’t that his name) had some integrity . . . might just be a coincidence. Just goes against the vision I had of the guy.
Not sure I see the connection between gas prices and stock prices. Did Kodak cameras come down after the stock got dumped?
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MWS, have you apologized for you ballot error yet?
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More Crap from the king of crapola. They started this in September 2005. I love how you mislead!
Economic Derivatives Expand
Chicago Mercantile Exchange has taken a step into the over-the-counter market for economic derivatives, forming a partnership with Goldman Sachs that will provide clearing and electronic order routing services to an electronic market for economic derivatives operated by Goldman Sachs.
Economic derivatives are based on economic indicators such as unemployment and inflation. Over the last several years, a number of investment banks have begun offering various types of economic derivatives on an over-the-counter basis to market participants interested in hedging or taking a position on these indicators, which often have a pronounced effect on financial markets.
Goldman Sachs has taken a lead in this area, working with Longitude, a technology company, to develop a regular schedule of electronic auctions for these derivatives. The auctions use a patented process of mutualized order filling developed and operated by Longitude that resembles the Dutch auction process used in the initial public offering of shares in Google. Icap, the inter-dealer broker, acts as the lead marketer, disseminating price information and taking in customer orders. These three firms already have a relationship with the New York Mercantile Exchange for the clearing of energy derivatives based on storage statistics for crude oil and natural gas. (See “Economic Derivatives in the Energy Sector” http://www.futuresindustry.org.....038;a=1018 by John Sodergreen in the January-February issue of Futures Industry.)
Goldman Sachs and CME said they expect their partnership will significantly broaden access to the economic derivatives market and increase the level of investor participation. CME will provide centralized clearing, electronic order routing, and marketing services to these auctions, with clearing scheduled to start in September and electronic order routing scheduled to start in the first quarter of 2006. The auctions currently offer digital options, vanilla options and forwards on U.S. nonfarm payrolls, the Institute of Supply Management’s PMI index, weekly initial jobless claims, retail sales, European inflation, the international trade balance and gross domestic product, and plans to begin offering products based on the U.S consumer price index in September.
In separate but related news, Nymex has extended the range of OTC energy derivatives traded through a similar electronic auction format. Starting on July 18, Nymex, Icap and Goldman Sachs will begin offering over-the-counter options on prompt-month settlement prices for crude oil and natural gas. The options will be traded each morning in 30-minute auctions, using the same Dutch auction framework that Nymex, Icap and Goldman Sachs have been applying to the trading of weekly oil inventory and natural gas storage options. As with the weekly inventory auctions, Nymex will clear and settle these OTC options, Icap will be responsible for order entry, and Goldman Sachs will serve as a liquidity provider. These products will allow market participants to either hedge or take market risk directly associated with the daily swings in crude oil and natural gas prices. As with the existing weekly auctions, the daily settlement auctions will reveal the markets’ expectations for the underlying number, which has proven to be valuable information for investors, Nymex and Icap said in a joint press release.
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Lying Monkeys Sons of Bitches!
The Saudis are helping the repugs too.
Doc shortchanges Central Washington voters
Maybe we should feel honored that 4th District Congressman Doc Hastings has declined an invitation from this newspaper’s editorial board for a joint interview with his opponent this year.
Such candidate interviews lead to the Yakima Herald-Republic’s endorsements of candidates and Hastings apparently knows full well they can’t be taken for granted. In that sense, it’s a compliment.
It’s also unprecedented — the first time in our memory that a sitting office-holder has refused our request for an endorsement interview.
Hastings, first elected in the Republican congressional landslide of 1994, is being challenged by Democrat Richard Wright in Hastings’ sixth bid for re-election. As is our custom in contested races in election years, we invite the opposing candidates in for a question-and-answer session, which plays a significant role in the board’s decision of whom to recommend to voters.
Hastings declined the invitation. In a faxed statement from his Washington, D. C., office last week, he said:
I’m certain you understand that during each election year candidates for public office are approached by a wide range of organizations and media outlets desiring to make endorsements in their races. Of course, common sense dictates that candidates decide on a case-by-case basis which media and other endorsements to seek.In my case, since I’m not seeking the Herald-Republic’s endorsement, it won’t be necessary to include me in your endorsement interview schedule this year.
— Doc Hastingshttp://www.yakima-herald.com/page/opinion
The Saudis
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Always The Jerk: Since I don’t remember the whole ballot, I don’t apologize to donk. I do remember the selection box for party affiliation.
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So you STILL don’t even realize your mistake? Wow.
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http://www.futuresindustry.org.....038;a=1018
« Return to January/February 2005 feature articles
Product Profile: Economic Derivatives in the Energy Sector
by John Sodergreen
Advances in financial theory have now made it possible to bet directly on macro-economic statistics by using a new class of instrument called economic derivatives. These instruments are generally structured as over-the-counter options and forwards, and they are designed to reward traders for the accuracy of their expectations for these statistics, which can be a big source of volatility in the financial and commodity markets.
A year ago, this innovation made its first appearance in the futures world, when Goldman Sachs and ICAP formed a partnership with the New York Mercantile Exchange to create an electronic market for options on energy inventory statistics. While it is too early to call this new market a roaring success, it has achieved a certain amount of traction among the professional traders who follow these numbers.
You can read the rest at the link above.
Goldie. Lying sack of shit!
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Goldie. Lying sack of shit!
Tell me how Gold has lost 3% of it’s value lately with the drop in ewrl (oil to moonbats)?
Maybe the middlemen are doing this: http://www.finpipe.com/commodswaps.htm
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5 “Not sure I see the connection between gas prices and stock prices.”
We’re not talking about stocks here, we’re talking about commodity futures. There was a tutorial of sorts about that provided in the movie “Trading Places”. If you got past gawking at Carrie Fisher’s boobs, that huge room full of people screaming at each other was about trading options to buy or sell things for some price or other some time in the future. It’s possible to make or lose a pile of money pretty fast by betting on whether the price of orange juice, oil, soybeans or toilet paper is going to go up or down.
If you’ve got a bunch of cash, you can exert a fair amount of control over the short-term price of a commodity by buying and selling said options–especially by trading options on a resource you yourself actually buy and sell in the “real world”. That was what Enron was all about.
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Oh, yeah….what happened to Kodak was that their stock got dumped because they kept making film while most of the world switched to digital photography.
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That was Jamie Lee Curtis.
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For you sillyguy:
Dennis Hastert has now announced that while the Foley revelations and his cover-up of it were a real boner, that he is calling on all Republicans to reach around and give each other a hand. While Foley comes at an uncomfortable time for Hastert and the leadership, Hastert believes they can survive this blow, like they have so many before. While they might no longer be cruising, Hastert feels that they will take it in the end. Whether Santorum will be involved is still not clear.
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JCH has not posted much of late. They must limit his access to the internet at the rehab he is at in Florida.
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What next Goldiemeister, Sugar?
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In other news, North Korea is planning on testing a nuclear weapon.
Yep, George Bush has made us a whole lot safer.
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ArtFart: Remember the Hunt Brothers when they tried to corner the Silver Market: http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/e....._bros.html
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I guess it would be a total coincidince if gas prices go up after the elections? Supply and demand, the invisible (monopolistic) hand, Adam Smith, fre-will, the Devil, his brother the Debbil!!!, and the Nobel Prize Winning blather of MILTON FREIDMAN!!!
Who you kiddin’? Righties?
Arafat won the Nobel prize too.
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MWS:
First you get the surgar,
Then you get the money,
Then you get the women.
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There’s truth, then there’s Goldie truth. He gets it from another source; looks good to me, promotes my bullshit agenda, I’ll post this swirl, my furballettes will drink this kool-aid, mix it with some political horseshit from my horsesass and put it on my web site! As Jon Subway Eat Fresh Lovitz said: “Yeah, that’s the ticket!”
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MWS, I’ll listen to your rantings if you’ll accurately explain the primary ballot in Washington, then apologize for your earlier insults related to said ballot.
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Maybe President Bush had something to do with like sending a storm into New Orleans and jacking up the prices thus making great profits for himself and his wealthiest friends. The Queen of Washington tax the shit out of gas so no one could buy a tank full let alone a half tank. Now with that surplus the gas companies drop the prices everywhere except in the State of Washington. Yep we still have the highest gas prices in the country. Yes? No? Hell the Socialist Democrats took over the oil companies and giving low gas prices in Seattle for their large support for excessive taxes. Now that is a sweet deal for the extremist in this State. Goldy if you are going to make outrageous statements you need to stretch the truth a little bit. Like if Marie Cantwell who now represents us now would be forcing everyone to be taking a bus to work. Now out of the kindness of her hart she extorted oil from Alaska in exchange for Washington apples for the poor. Her friend from South America would provide oil also if the Republic of Seattle recognize his country and provide military support if Bush invades his country. Now that is a way to support a friend in times of need do you agree?
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I thought there would be all these hurricanes. This would drive up the price of oil.
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In other news, North Korea is planning on testing a nuclear weapon.
Yep, George Bush has made us a whole lot safer.
Commentby JDB— 10/3/06@ 5:11 pm
JDB where have you been all these years? The Koreans have been trying to test a nuclear weapon for years. With a little help from your friends that could be sooner. Now I have yet hear about the PLAN on how to win the War on Terror. JDB can you spit it out for us slow folks, so we can understand what you are saying? Hell you can even scream it out like Howard Dean.
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PS you other Chaps can help him if you want. Now don’t forget the fine details on how you will find Osama Bin Laudin and destroy all the cells all over the world. Please make sure the plan doesn’t conflict with everyone in the world from loving the USA.
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MWS
Picture this:
GW and Dick Cheney are on the front lawn of the White House barbecuing live puppies. As an unquestioning loyalist, as all good Americans should be, do you:a) Applaud this preemptive strike upon canine terrorism;
b) Strike up a chorus of “God Bless America”;
c) Request that they give you a medium rare slice; or
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Well, MWS, looks like you’ll never figure it out. Your case of Teh Stupids is more advanced than I feared.
You’re dismissed… with prejudice.
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CREW is funded by George Soros? Amazing!
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These instruments are generally structured as over-the-counter options and forwards, and they are designed to reward traders for the accuracy of their expectations for these statistics, which can be a big source of volatility in the financial and commodity markets.
Statistics drive markets? Who’da’ known? I’ll bet the spreads are a killer.
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Can we say now that The Clinton Recession is finally over?
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ArtFart: Remember the Hunt Brothers when they tried to corner the Silver Market
The Hunt boys made a stupid play in a market that had way too much inventory and production capacity. Typical conservatives.
Now Jay Gould….aye, there’s a story!
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George Soros is not an elected official. Denny (Duh) Hastert is. Who has an obligation to the American people? Answer my query about barbecuing puppies. I know you’d cheer on Bush and Cheney for anything they did. -
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Republicans were ABC’s sources, not Democrats.
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Tell me how Gold has lost 3% of it’s value lately with the drop in ewrl (oil to moonbats)?
MWS: A 3% move in the price of gold is no big deal. It’s a pretty volatile market, but I’m sure you’ll provide us with a convenient ex post (that’s “after” you you right wing loons) explanation.
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33 – Pay your fucking gambling debt to Goldy.
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Hey WOS – it sure does suck your crap isn’t sticking to the wall – not that it ever did.
Are you going to admit you forgot the ballot had partisan and non-partisan races?
A man would admit his mistake. A child would hide and deflect.
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(Bloomberg) — Oil analysts are raising their price estimates for next year in anticipation of increased demand that may outpace the development of new deposits…
“We see a very tight market continuing into next year,” said Kevin Norrish, a director of commodities research for Barclays Capital in London. Barclays expects oil next year to average $76.70 a barrel, the highest forecast in the survey.
“The recent fall in prices is due to short-term factors,” he said in an interview. “We’re looking for fairly strong global growth, and we don’t see capacity expanding by much.”
Enjoy while you can.
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Donk are stupid. Last week I posted a link where George Soros said he was leaving the political scene. Next this appears and it has his CREW all over it. Amazing.
Always The Jerk. Left side of the ballot: Choose Your Party Affiliation. Vote in the chosen column.
Jerk!
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Clueless – Fill me in… are these the same analysts who said in 1973 that we only had 5 years worth of oil left?
Just wondering…
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44 – Pay your fucking gambling debt to Goldy.
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FtC, it appears he still believes only Republicans can vote for Supreme Court races in the primary. Even after you’ve pointed it out several times. After two days, you’d think he would have at least figured out that he had made a mistake, even if he lacked the integrity to admit it and apologize for his behavior. But even that’s too complicated for him. Simply amazing.
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Always the Jerk: I followed the directions as I saw them. The directions said if you didn’t choose party affiliation your vote WOULD NOT COUNT!
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Sure is amazing how For Thoroughly Clueless uses right wing web sites he thought were disgusting and worthless.
Sorry FTC you are an exhasting donk. It is exhausting to post against your crap.
Always The Jerk is dismissed as foolish!
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MWS, I’ll explain this to you, then I’ll never lower myself to addressing you ever again. Read this very slowly. Then read it again. Then have a child explain it to you.
In the primary, you vote for both partisan races (but only one party) AND non-partisan races. The race in which For the Clueless said he voted for a Republican was a Supreme Court race. Those races are “non-partisan,” but – and here’s the part you need to get – both of the candidates were known to be Republicans. Thus, he voted for a Republican in a “non-partisan” primary.
It is now two days after this started in a foolish post by Puddybud, and you’re still so stubbornly, proudly, stunningly ignorant that you don’t have the first clue what it is you’re arguing about.
You. Are. Dismissed. With. Prejudice.
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When gas prices go back up after the election, only the moronic, inbred cowards on this board, i.e., republicans won’t understand why. The rest of us won’t be one bit surprised. And fortunately, except for a few cowardly right wing trolls here, polls show people know that Bush and his regime have manipulated the prices.
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David Goldstein..Noble Prize winning Economist???
Nope.
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Better get out and put your money in oil. You should make a bundle when the prices go up.
#52
Goldie is praising stefan on SP for his delicous find. Goldie even said he was JEALOUS. Thats a first…
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Always The Jerk: I don’t trust For Thoroughly Clueless. If that’s what the ballot said fine. I read it as you had to choose a party first!
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1730
I was just over at (un)SP. Not one word about Foleygate.
They are really fixated on some divorce case though. Apparently Maria Cantwell and some rumors.
I guess they have their priorities. The part is going down in flames and they want to read a divorce file.
Funny how that works out.
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1731
Dear DarcysnotyourGal @ 53:
Um, Goldy is not spelled Goldie. The post is an imposter.
You are the dumbest jackass of the day.
Funny how that works.
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1732
#56 LOL Made you Look he he he
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1733
Dress her as a choirboy.
Commentby headless lucy
Lucy how is your sex change going? When is the big day to have your surgery? You did say you started the hormone treatment already? Did you find a Doctor in Thailand or the United States to do the surgery? Your dad sure did you a disservice by calling you Lucy.
http://www.mtfsurgery.com/surgery_srs.php
From the standard guidelines for clinical practice, the patient must have met the criteria for SRS, as follows:
1. Be of legal age in the patient’s nation; In Thailand, the father/mother or legal custodian may give consent for patients under the age of 18.
2. 12 months of continuous hormonal therapy.
3. 12 months of successful continuous full time real-life experience.
4. No medical impediments.
5. Medical letters of recommendation required for SRS: one from mental health professional psychotherapist; the second letter should be from a psychiatrist or a Ph.D. clinical psychologist.
Surgical transformation or male to female genitalia conversion may make use tissues existing on the patient in the formation of female external anatomy. -
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MLF – Yeah, nuthin’ at all wrong with Maria giving taxpayer money to her fuck buddy. At least she didn’t write nasy e-mails…. or did she????
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1735
Have we yet blamed Clinton for crucifying Christ? Bush’s recession is about to nail even you, my brother.
Commentby proud leftist— 10/3/06@ 6:04 pm
Maybe Proud Leftist you should repent for your sins.
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MTR @ 59:
Got any proof? Lots of people fuck. Lots of people loan money. Let us try to remember that everyone involved is over 18. (snicker)
DarcysnotyourGal @ 57
Hate to break it to you, I was already there, saw it, had my laugh, knew some wingnut would believe it, and you did not disappoint.
Funny how that works.
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1737
I hear that Klake is jealous that Foley got to the underage boy first.
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16 JDB
Huh! What are you talking about? My only post was to ask for references from Goldy about the point he was trying make on Gas prices.
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1739
Always The Jerk: I don’t trust For Thoroughly Clueless. If that’s what the ballot said fine. I read it as you had to choose a party first!
Commentby Mike Webb SUCKS— 10/3/06@ 7:24 pm
Mike check out this link but don’t past it on to your friends. this message will selfdestruct in 30 seconds.
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1740
Hello my name is Joe, I am a terrorist, and this is my blog
Goldy is this your brother starting up a new blog?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;search= -
1741
Many folks on this blog support these types of people and only wants to but them in jail and have the taxpayer support them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;search= -
1742
Bad Pun of the Week
The Democrats are ‘exfoleyiating’ the ‘bark’ of the Republicans in their ‘dogged’ pursuit of the ‘grand fall’ elections.
Good be a good thing… the ‘grand fall’ part anyway.
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1743
Thank you folks, tip your waitresses, order the veal!
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1744
re 58: What does all your blather have to do with the hapless homo Republican child rapist, Mark Foley, and the Republican leadership that cynically put him second in command to a committee that was supposed to help exploited children — not create more of them.
You guys are monsters.
And you can ask Ted Bundy what happens to monsters — well– bad example.
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1745
re 52: “…Noble prize winning….”!!!!??????
Better clean your ears. It’s beginning to clog your brain… -
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All you liberals please don’t click this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;search= -
1747
FOX News has finally figured out how to blame the Democrats for Foley since everything else that the GOP has tried has failed today.
They just labeled him a Democrat when they cut to his picture three (3!!!) times during O’Reilly today.
I guess saying that the GOP was all right for covering it up because the Dems somehow knew everything about it anyway was just not working.
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1748
Chris said:
It doesn’t really work that way. Not that much money is invested in poorly designed indices (such as the Dow). It used to be possible to game the SP500 and Russell 2000, but they’ve more or less dealt with that.
Chris quite obviously doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about. A large part of the Bull run-up was do to money managers passively indexing the assets they managed, whether it was ERISA money, or hedgehogs, etc. . . the fact that they bought calls on the S&P500 was a significant chunk of their performance both up and then downward when they had to unload.
The same thing is very realistic here vis-a-vis gasoline on the NYMEX. Hedgehogs, derivatives, all kinds of hybrid funds here, managed futures asset pools. There is more than enough money to cause the price to either go up or down. And when a Benchmark Index (poorly designed or not) is tweaked it has a material effect on the markets. I was an asset manager for ten years. I know whereof I speak.
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1749
they found Roger Rabbit in Iraq yesterday.
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1750
Attention all Democrats, just step back and let the GOP destroy itself:
A prominent and powerful evangelical Christian leader, James Dobson, said yesterday that the Mormon faith practiced by Governor Romney of Massachusetts could pose a serious obstacle if Mr. Romney makes a bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.
“I don’t believe that conservative Christians in large numbers will vote for a Mormon but that remains to be seen, I guess,” Mr. Dobson said on a syndicated radio program hosted by a conservative commentator, Laura Ingraham.
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1751
FOX News has finally figured out how to blame the Democrats for Foley since everything else that the GOP has tried has failed today.
They just labeled him a Democrat when they cut to his picture three (3!!!) times during O’Reilly today.
I guess saying that the GOP was all right for covering it up because the Dems somehow knew everything about it anyway was just not working.
http://www.wonkette.com/politi.....mes-desper ate-measures-205075.php
Commentby Doctor Maf54 Kennedy— 10/3/06@ 10:07 pm
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Foley couldn’t be a Dem. When Dems like Studds(D-Child Molester)screw pages they don’t resign; they claim they did nothing wrong and get re-elected by Dems. -
1752
Republican Congress Man = bj artist on male teenagers sanctioned by sanctimonius moralistic harpies Republican Party leaders.
It be unlucky day for you guyzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
Foley be from Florida.
George “Makakastein” Allen piss of religious right.
They ask him: “You some kinda swarthy jeyuwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww?”
He fool them all these years! Hah!
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1753
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15117698/
Oops wingnuts! Your world is crashing. How will you deal with the utter defeat coming your way in five weeks? Suicide? Depression?
HE HE!
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1754
Using the Moonbat Stupidity Network (MSN) looks like they grew a set and are now posting some truths to the Foley matter:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15126151/ – Even the FBI said this one is tough to prosecute. So he’s a scumbag. To paraphrase a donk two weeks ago “So what?”
Another rush to judgment on the side of the horsesasses.
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1755
Goldie: You haven’t posted an update (doubt you will as when us on the right identify posted fallacies you NEVER react) to that post you copied for this thread header. Now you see your gas price commodity/Goldman Sachs was started in 2005 and your intelligence on this matter is shown worthless.
Shame shame shame – misleading your donk to the wrong trough of commentary!
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1756
now FOX is trying to paint
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1757
Foley’s a gay blade. Isn’t your party the one of gayness, let’s not out them? Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
I wonder…
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1758
Goldie: More cold water for them shriveled stones:
http://today.reuters.com/news/.....038;rpc=23 – So Hugo Chavez is beholden to Goldman-Sachs? What a crock of crap kool-aid for the Furballettes to swallow.
Speaking of swallowing, Mt Rainier, how are those loaded condoms?
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1759
More good news on oil, something Goldie’s brain has issues with:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/.....ffiup.html
Tell us Goldie, what does your quartz ball say about pork bellies?
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1760
LauraBushKilledAGuy @ 79-ish:
Thanks for the link. I flipped through the poll and found the following question and response (on page 2):
Has what you have seen and heard over the past few weeks made you feel more favorable, less favorable, or had no effect on your feelings about possibly having the Republicans maintain the majority in Congress? +
More favorable ………………………………………….. 18
Less favorable ………………………………………….. 41
No effect ………………………………………………….. 35 Have not seen/heard enough to say (VOL) ….. 4
Not sure ………………………………………………….. 218% of the respondents of polls are HA trolls. Who knew?
(Note: I can understand, if not agree with “no effect”. But if anything you’ve been seeing makes you feel more favorable towards keeping the GOP in power, I am frightened about your grasp of reality)
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1761
MWS, this is simply amazing. In one open thread, you’ve managed to fully demonstrate you inability to think clearly not once, but twice.
You clearly don’t understand that, regardless of the party affiliation you’ve selected on a primary ballot, you are allowed to vote for anyone you want to in a non-partisan race. Amazing how your brain is incapable of parsing the meaning of “non-partisan” in that context.
Given your inability to parse the meaning of “non-partisan,” I don’t think anyone is surprised at your inability to grasp the effect of a change in futures prices on current stockpiles. And, yes, the particular index in question was established in 2005. That little tidbit is irrelevant. I’ll try to make this as simple as I can.
When futures prices for oil are high relative to the spot price, then the folks who run oil refineries tend to stockpile oil. Why? Simple really. If you’ve paid $70 a bbl for the oil in your tanks and you can write a guaranteed contract to sell that bbl of oil for $73 dollars, you have a guaranteed profit of $3 per bbl. So, as an oil refiner, you tend to hold on to that oil when futures prices are high.
When futures prices for oil fall, which is exactly what happens when Goldman Sachs changes the composition of the commodity index tracked by fund managers who are moving around billions of dollars, then oil refiners are less likely to hold on to the oil they’ve stockpiled. This results in a short-term increase in the amount of oil that gets refined into gas, and the result is donward preassure on current gas prices.
So the question really is rather interesting: why did Goldman Sachs decided to reduce the percentage of oil in their commodities index?
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1762
Remember I posted last week how Jonathan Alter and others wanted US consumers to buy Citgo? Remember I wrote Hugh Chavez does not care about his people.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10.....ontero.htm
Read on moonbats and learn the truth. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer loves the guy. Watch Wolf fawn over Hugo. Go to CNNs web site.
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1763
Given your inability to parse the meaning of “non-partisan,” I don’t think anyone is surprised at your inability to grasp the effect of a change in futures prices on current stockpiles. And, yes, the particular index in question was established in 2005. That little tidbit is irrelevant. I’ll try to make this as simple as I can. Crap from Don Joe
Don Joe: Maybe just maybe I keep it up because you all keep dwelling on it. I love how to spin up the donk.
Regarding your amazing display of ignorance the commodities index, look at the thread title. Goldie posted a link which claimed the index was recently started. It took me about a minute to visit the futures market and determine how Goldman Sachs started the index. I proved the link and Goldie for not researching it DEAD WRONG!
Did Goldie do his homework before copying and pasting his snippet? NOPE.
Does Goldie care about his “rep” over his truths? NOPE.
Does Goldie post librul swill as kool-aid for the furballettes? YESDon Joe, I am glad you agree Goldie is a liar. Thanks for the revelation. It is a big one as he created the link.
Apparently facts hurt the librul mind!
Oh and just for you:
STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID donk!
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1764
I keep hoping that MTR, with his stated expertise in derivatives trading, will duck in to explain this to us. In the mean time, I will have to stand in for him.
If you ever flip through a copy of the WSJ, The Economist, the FT, or one of those other filthy capitalist rags, you’d know a lot of speculative money has gone into the petroleum market. I’ve read that this is because oil is supposed to be a good inflation hedge. Why a commodity whose price is being propped up with hot money is a good hedge against inflation is an utter mystery to me. Mark, I’m serious. Would you like to chime in here?
Most of the economic indicators have been pointing to an economic slowdown of some sort or another. In general, inflation occurs in overheating economies where labor shortages push up production costs, not in balanced or cooling economies.
(note: I am referring to developed economies that are more-or-less run by grownups. If you’re an idiot like Mugabe who runs the printing presses at the treasury you can have massive inflation with no economy whatsoever)
Slow growth -> less inflationary pressure -> less need to hedge your portfolio against inflation -> taking hedge money out of the petroleum market -> falling prices.
Goldman Sachs plays in this world as well. Assuming this analysis is correct, they would adjust how much petroleum is in their index.
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1765
Don Joe cont’d: The precipitous drop in oil is due to market forces. Notice the demand has dropped off a little and Nigeria and Venezuela are recommdending cuts to drive up oil prices. Wait Goldie says, it’s Goldman-Sachs and the commodities market. Now if we develop the Gulf and Alaska, we can drive the price lower. Do you like higher gas prices? WHy are WA state prices so much higher than Ohio or Missouri? Donk love taxes. WHich tax is punitive you moonbats? Which tax hurts the lower and middle class? Gas taxes. Goldie should be glad the price of oil has dropped so his pet projects like the Seattle Tunnel to replace the viaduct can be funded noW!
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1766
7 MWS
You’re full of shit. This is not about derivatives, but rather about the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index (GSCI) and the change they made in July 2006. Funny, but that was shortly before prices started to drop. It’s as though there were a connection.2 sillyguy
Get off your ass and click through. The source is financial analyst Jeff Saut at Raymond James, who cites The Financial Times when he says:
“As we understand it, back in late July Goldman Sachs decided it was going to reduce the weighting of gasoline in its widely followed commodity index (GSCI). Participants wanting to dissect the entrails of that decision may refer to The Financial Times story dated August 29, 2006 titled ‘Market Insight: Index shifts follows oil decline.’ Suffice it to say, Goldman took the gasoline weighting in its commodity index from 7.3% to 2.5%, for pretty mysterious reasons, in a gasoline-centric economy (IMO). Goldman even went so far as to scale-in those reductions at intervals between August and November. Accordingly, the billions of institutional dollars that ‘mimic’ (read: invest) the GSCI have had to periodically SELL those gasoline futures contracts to stay in-sync with the index’s new weightings. Unsurprisingly, unleaded gasoline prices peaked on August 3rd at $2.35/gallon, basis the NYMEX November future’s contract, and crashed into last week’s lows of $1.46/gallon for an eight-week price decline of 38%, causing one old Wall Street wag to scream, ‘SPURIOUS!’ “
He also says, interestngly enough, in the same piece that the reason the Dow is so high when so many of its component stocks are far off their highs is because the dollar is dropping, dropping, dropping.
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1767
If you ever flip through a copy of the WSJ, The Economist, the FT, or one of those other filthy capitalist rags, you’d know a lot of speculative money has gone into the petroleum market. Comment by JSA
JSA: You are one of the few donk moonbats who can speak with any credibility on these markets. Goldie sure can’t. Goldman Sachs looked at this back in 2004 and then started it in 2005. Do they control the oil price? Do people put their money where they think it will grow? Do people have fund managers who maximize their wealth so they can grab bigger commissions? IF GOldie had taken the time and looked it up vs. posting someone else’s crap he’d have no problem from me. Instead he drank some kool-aid (Mr Rainier drinks white sticky stuff) and posted crap.
BTW how is the BC bud up there?
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1768
MWS, you’re delusional. Neither Goldy’s post nor Sean-Paul Kelly’s post on the Agonist claims that the index was “recently” created, though, even if they had, the point is rather moot. “Recent” is a fairly relative term whose range of meaning is sufficient to encompass something that happend roughly a year ago.
So, really, is this the best you can do? Pick some inconsequential, vague, indeed non-existent, factoid, hammer it to the ground so you can justify calling someone a liar, all the while completely ignoring the issues that are germane to the present circumstances? How typically Republican of you.
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1769
MWS,
“The precipitous drop in oil is due to market forces.”
First of all, we’re talking about the precititous drop on gas prices. See my comments above about how futures contracts affect current gas prices.
Secondly, if fund managers selling off futures contracts doesn’t fall under the general rubric of “market forces,” then exactly how might one characterize those actions in Economic terms?
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1770
Daddy Love and Don Joe: Are you admitting Goldman Sachs is sage where they are telling people to leave oil and go somewhere else. I thought the goal of a well diversified portfolio is usually to outperform the main composite indexes. You know, make money. So if oil/gas have run their course you want to keep your money there? Maybe they were propped up by insane market forces which had the rug pulled out from them caused the drop.
So you moonbats why not go to the source and read why it is?
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1771
The Forex currency blog (if you can believe one exists) says that a US recession “looms” (I think it’s in the August entries), and that (September):
The US Bureau of Economic Statistics today released its monthly report on America’s trade balance, and the numbers were not pretty. The monthly current account deficit has reached a new high, at $68 Billion, attributed primarily to soaring commodity prices. As the trade balance (exports minus imports) represents one of the components of production, economists are now revising their GDP growth estimates downward to reflect this latest development. The Federal Reserve Bank would love to see the USD depreciate in order to stem the balance, but it may have to wait for interest rates to narrow further before it sees its wish fulfilled.
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1772
96
Let’s see, financial analyst Jeff Sauts of Raymond James thinks that changes in the GSCI can move the market, and MWS thinks not. Who to believe, who to believe?
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1773
Cheaper? Really? She lives off the producers and somehow claims it’s cheaper for us to insure all of them. Here’s an idea: Wouldn’t it be a LOT cheaper to tie her tubes? WTF do we let somebody making 39k keep breeding?
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1774
MTR @ 99
You know, not everyone can get on a blog and lie about their income, Mark. Take you for instance.
Your stupidity is exceeded only by your ignorance.
Funny how that works.
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1775
MWS,
” I thought the goal of a well diversified portfolio is usually to outperform the main composite indexes.”
Actually, you have that backwards. The goal of a commodity index is to provide a mechanism where small investors can participate in commodity trading by purchasing shares in a fund that tracks the commodity index. People who buy shares in a fund that tracks a commodity futures index aren’t trying to beat that index any more than people who buy shares of a fund that tracks the S&P 500 are trying to beat the S&P 500.
The basic idea is to provide small investors a way to diversify beyond stock categories and be able to include some percentage of commodities futures in their overall portfolio. Before the commodity futures index was created, small investors could only choose between stock funds, bond funds and money-market funds. Now, they can add commodity futures funds to that overall portfolio.
None of this means that I think people should buy shares of a fund that tracks either the S&P 500 or the GSCI. The fact is that people do buy shares of these funds. We’re talking about positive issues, not normative issues.
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1776
Since we’re on the topic of economics here, does it seem odd that the Republicans are imploding in a non-Presidential year when a number of economic indexes seem to be dropping?
Even I am not so cynical as to believe that the Republicans would be so corrupt as to orchestrate the Foley incident in order to have an excuse to lose this race, dumping the problem on the Democrats, but I do notice that the response is looking more and more like a Three Stooges movie. These folks are seasoned and experienced politicians. It is difficult to believe that they are really that stupid. Corrupt, yes, stupid, no.
They made the various messes that we find ourselves facing, and they apparently have no idea as to how to solve them. Maybe the idea is to get out of the way just before it really hits the fan, hoping that the results stick to the Democrats, then blame us for the mess come 2008.
It’s really beginning to look like they’re trying to lose.
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1777
JHC,
I posed a simple set of questions for you on the “Bill Frist’s GOP: The Party of Cut-and-Run” thread” that any qualifed OOD “Surface Warfare Officer” would easily know. I thought it appropriate to post it on the “Cut-N-Run” thread because I knew that’s exactly what you’d do. From now on I’ll just refer to you as “runner.”
I’ll repost my question here: Good luck, Runner!
“OK, JCH, the question of what to do with a hot missile stuck on your rail is too complicated for you.
Let’s try something easier that a “Surface Warfare Officer” and a qualified OOD (Officer Of the Deck) should easily know.
You’re the OOD, it’s 2:30 am and you’re at GQ under hostile conditions. In the aft missile house a conventional surface-to-air missile becomes stuck in the missile house doors leaving the doors ajar on a twin missile launcher. Answer the following questions.
The questions go from easy to hard. However, in order to be a qualified OOD in the US Navy you must know the answers to these questions.
A) Who has the conn?
B) What is the material condition of your ship?
C) Which group would be tasked with the repair?
D) Can you fire a missile off the other missile rail to defeat an incoming hostile aircraft?“ -
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There are a lot of financially ignorant people in the world, yeah? And many of them seem to have inhabited this thread.
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1779
Redneck,
What other people do with their reproductive organs has nothing to do with you. Do you really believe you are going to stop others from having sex and babies? Your comments about women are always offensive and vulgar. Should the males who made those kids get castrated as well??????????
As a male, you don’t have a leg to stand on complaining about women having babies. Where the hell is those kid’s fathers and why the fuck arn’t they paying child support and health care for their kids? It takes a male and a female to make babies……..
We don’t live in China yet.
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1780
Goldy,
You are a moron.
The reason for the drop in gas and oil prices is simple economics (not the vast right wing conspiracy). Check out today’s “Weekly Energy Report” and you will see a surprising build in oil, gasoline and distillate inventories. In fact, they are well above their five year averages.
You only make a fool of yourself when you post this kind of nonsense.
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1781
107 jaybo
Let’s see, financial analyst Jeff Sauts of Raymond James (the original source for the information, if you don’t count The Financial Times) thinks that changes in the GSCI can move the market, and a guy who comments on a blog under the name “jaybo” thinks not. Who to believe, who to believe?
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1782
Jaybo,
Which “Weekly Energy Report,” are you talking about? This one shows that crude oil inventories fell for the week ending Sept. 22. Distillate inventories increased, but that’s exactly the thing we’d expect to see as a result of a fall in futures prices.
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1783
107 jaybo
But when I look at the Weekly Energy Report, it tells me that the four week average (production) ending 9/29/06 for gasoline is up only 3.9% over teh same period last year, and the same measure for distillate fuel oil is up only 0.5% over last year, while the four week average of “total products supplied for domestic use” is up only 2.8% over last year. Is that supposed to convince us?
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1784
MWS @ 93:
I wish I could comment on the BC bud. There is a lot of it. Unfortunately, I have a day job, and anything where taking one drag leaves me in a topor for six hours straight is something I’d just as soon stay away from.
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1785
Daddy Love @ 110,
You are another moron. That report is a week old and this week’s will be available online shortly. Again, stick to subjects you understand, that way the rest of us can’t laugh at your ignorance.
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1786
NEWS FLASH!
“Hillary Clinton Implicated in Goldy’s Breaking Story of Energy Price Fixing”
(note the campaign contribution from the evil Goldman Sacs)
This list of the top donors to Hillary Clinton’s 2006 re-election campaign, compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics and made available on the organization’s website, http://www.OpenSecrets.org, is based on the most recent Federal Election Commission data available. According to the center, “the organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.” The center also notes that “typically, members of Congress draw their contributions from two main sources: PACs and lobbyists who give because of the member’s position on key congressional committees, and local companies, unions and other organizations from their home district.”
10. Ernst & Young: $73,775
1285 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10019
212-773-30009. New York Life Insurance: $86,000
51 Madison Avenue
Suite 3200
New York, NY 10010
212-576-70008. International Profit Associates: $88,400
1250 Barclay Blvd
Buffalo Grove, IL 60089
847-808-55907. Skadden, Arps et al: $90,030
Four Times Square
New York, NY 10036
212-735-30006. Time Warner: $104,960
One Time Warner Center
New York, NY 10019
212-484-80005. Morgan Stanley: $105,810
1585 Broadway
New York, NY 10036
212-761-40004. Corning, Inc.: $133,400
One Riverfront Plaza
Corning, NY 14831
607-974-90003. Citigroup, Inc.: $141,000
399 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10043
800-285-30002. Metropolitan Life: $154,100
One MetLife Plaza
27-01 Queens Plaza N.
Long Island City, NY 11101
212-578-22111. Goldman Sachs: $168,290
85 Broad Street
New York, NY 10004
212-902-1000 -
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Daddy,
It’s a shame, but far too many people who think they understand Economics forget that “supply” isn’t about quantities in inventory. Rather, “supply” is a relationship between quantity and price. Thus, they fail to grasp the distinction between changes in inventories, which in and of itself won’t affect prices all that greatly, and changes in the supply-side relationship between quantity and price.
The point that gets missed lies in the concept of “opportunity cost”. When the price of crude oil futures goes up, the opportunity cost of refining a bbl of crude oil goes up (refiners can simply hold on to that oil and sell it under a guaranteed price at some point in the future). This changes the price at which refiners are willing to sell the various products made from refining a bbl of crude oil. Thus, we get what is generally known as an upward shift in the supply curves for refinery outputs.
Note that this really has very little to do with actual inventories. It’s all about the relative rates of return that oil refiners can expect vis-a-vis changes in futures prices for crude oil.
Jaybo, I’m afraid you’re the person who really doesn’t understand this stuff, but you seem quite content to remain ignorant of your ignorance.
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1788
111 jaybo
Newsflash. Senators raise money. Pictures at 11.
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Don Joe @ 114,
I will bet you right now that oil prices are headed lower (maybe as low as $50.00 per barrel) based on the continuing rise in energy supplies.
Of course the fact that the rise in supplies directly correlating to the drop in prices has to be a coincidence, right?
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1790
E-3 GBS, Been many years and I had little to do with missiles. My experience was Newport Class LSTs in the Western Pacific [home based in San Diego, Ca] In Gunnery (something that an old-timer like me would know more about) you have terminology like “Hangfire” and “Misfire”. I would assume that in missiles it would be the same – but would not swear to it. If you have a “hangfire”, you wait a length of time (5 mins unless you have a HOT GUN) to see if it will be a delayed fire. If after 5 mins, the projectile does not leave the barrel on its own, you classify it as a misfire and take other steps to remove the round (open breech and remove). However, if you have a hangfire in a hot gun (determined by the number of rounds fired in a specific length of time), you would take other steps because of the concern for a “cook-off” due to the projectile/powder case sitting in a hot barrel. The steps include external and internal cooling of the barrel. We trained by cooling the barrel with fresh and salt water. Again, 3 inch/50s have little to do with today’s weapons. That was your last question, E-3 GBS. Report to your LPO ASAP!!!
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Jaybo,
When you use meaningless phrases like “directly correlating,” you really do reveal that you don’t know what you’re talking about. What, pray tell, would “indirectly correlate” mean, and how would we distinguish “indirect” correlation from “direct” correlation? Things either correlate, or they don’t.
Now, it’s certainly possible for changes in inventories to indirectly _cause_, a change in prices, but the causal chain has to work its way through the various rates of return involved in other changes in the Economy. Indeed, it’s possible to have both increasing inventories and increasing prices. After all, what do you think just happend over the past 12 months?
But, you’re still off the mark. The issue at hand is whether or not Goldmand Sachs’ change in the composition of the GSCI would affect the price of gasoline, and, to anyone well versed in Economics, the answer is, “most certainly.” Indeed, I’ve already outlined the precise causal chain involved in the pricing decisions of oil refiners.
If you don’t believe me, take my explanation to your nearest Economics professor, and ask her whether or not there’s any flaw in the causal chain I’ve outlined. Let us know the answer you get.
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Don Joe,
Did you ever stop to consider the fact that Goldman Sacs has seen the same “supply-demand” change that I alluded to and consequently did what every responsible investment firm does?
You seem to want to dassle us with your vernacular, but in reality you really prove nothing with your comments.
This is the problem with some that want to create these “highly complex” theories, when simple explanations really tell it best.
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1793
Mac 106 – It becomes MY fucking business when she hands her fucking bills to me to pay because she’s too fucking irresponsible to manage her own affairs.
She CHOSE to get knocked up six fucking times. She should bear 100% of the cost of HER fucking decisions.
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1794
JCH:
You are not a retired naval officer.
You are caught lying, yet again.
I’ll post the answes for you since you have no clue.
Here’s the secanrio:
You’re the OOD, it’s 2:30 am and you’re at GQ under hostile conditions. In the aft missile house a conventional surface-to-air missile becomes stuck in the missile house doors leaving the doors ajar on a twin missile launcher. Answer the following questions.A) Who has the conn?
Whenever a ship is at GQ, or General Quarters (battle stations for you non-naval types) The Captain of the ship has the conn. Any qualifed Officer Of the Deck would know this because he relinquishes the conn at GQ while the OOD goes to his BATTLE STATION!!!B) What is the material condition of your ship?
Again, basic stuff that all hands know, even a Seamen Recruit. The material condition of your ship at GQ is “Zebra.” This means all hatches, scuttles, overboard vales etc are CLOSED to provide maxium water tight integrity. Since the scenario is 2:30 am it means you are steaming at night, dumb ass, which set an additional material condition, DARKEN SHIP! A white light can be spotted from many miles away at sea. So your true material condition is DZ or Dog Zebra!! I don’t care what kind of ship you sailed on you should KNOW THIS!!!!C) Which group would be tasked with the repair?
AFT MISSLE HOUSE, Mr. Craig, you are at GQ who does repairs under these conditions?? REPAIR LOCKER 3!! All naval vessels have at LEAST 3 Repair Lockers, Rep 3 always, ALWAYS takes care of the aft section of the ship. Rep 2 forward and Rep 5 is for propulsion. THERE IS NO WAY someone standing as OOD would not know this just in case there is an emergency at sea on YOUR watch, Mr. Craig! Carries have all 6 rep lockers. But how would you know that, you never made it past ROTC.D) Can you fire a missile off the other missile rail to defeat an incoming hostile aircraft?“ JCH, here’s where you really blew it by dwelling on this answer. You obviously have never seen a missile launch at sea, otherwise you’d know how badly the entire aft end of the ship is burned right down to the metal. Watch some clips on CNN some time, you’ll get the idea. Having that much fire and toxic exhaust rushing into your missile house would create a serious fire hazard in your missile house just above the missile ring storage compartment. And the poisonus gasses would kill your crew manning the missile house. The answer, Mr. Craig, is that you have an inoperable missile battery and you must turn your ship at least 20 degrees to use your forward missile battery because neither missile battery can fire directly over the keel of the ship!!
OK, JCH, you’re dismissed.
YO, FUCK YOU!
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1795
Jaybo,
“Did you ever stop to consider the fact that Goldman Sacs has seen the same “supply-demand” change that I alluded to and consequently did what every responsible investment firm does?”
Well, that does seem to be the question. Why would changes in crude oil stockpiles induce Goldman Sachs to change the composition of the GSCI? Ought not the GSCI reflect the relative importance of those commodities in terms of the overall performance of the Economy?
Standard & Poor changed the composition of the S&P 500, because the importance of the relevant firms in the index vis-a-vis the Economy changed. How did the importance of oil suddently change vis-a-vis the Economy?
Or did you manage to forget that we’re talking about a change in a published index and not an investment recommendation?
And, no, this isn’t really all that complex. I don’t know why you would quote the phrase “highly complex,” because it’s not a phrase I’ve used. Indeed, I’m hard pressed to understand exactly what about my explanation of the effects of futures prices might be considered complex.
So, it would seem that your only substantive complaint is about my vocabulary. Well, I’m sorry that I know and use words you don’t understand. That’s what dictionaries are for.
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1796
GBS, I think you need help. You ask questions, and then answer them, all in the same post. There will be no more questions, as you don’t read or understand my answers. My service [repeat] was in the “gator freighter” Newport LST navy. Lots of Marines, trasportation of SEAL and SeaBee equipment [causeways], and lot of runs to Okinawa [White Beach, Camp Hanson, Camp Schwabe] from Subic Bay and back. Our weapons were 3 inch 50s with directors removed [LOS targeting]. I note you ask the same questions over and over again to attempt to question my military service. As an E-3, you are to work and question nothing. JCH, [LT, USN 77-84]
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BTW, GBS, as an E-3, stay out of secure spaces. “Need to know”.
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That was your last question, E-3 GBS. Report to your LPO ASAP!!!
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Don Joe @ 122:
“Did you ever stop to consider the fact that Goldman Sacs has seen the same “supply-demand” change that I alluded to and consequently did what every responsible investment firm does?”
Well, that does seem to be the question. Why would changes in crude oil stockpiles induce Goldman Sachs to change the composition of the GSCI? Ought not the GSCI reflect the relative importance of those commodities in terms of the overall performance of the Economy?
Interesting question. I can’t speak for gasoline, but I know a little bit about crude awl which was drilled into me by a good friend who spent six years of his life picking through the Exxon Valdez lawsuit. (He was on the Side of Evil for a big downtown law firm, but that’s irrelevant to this story).
You see the spot price for West Texas Intermediate on the crawl. You may figure that means something. It does, and it doesn’t. The oil market is not like the stock market. When you see a price for a stock on the crawl, you know if you call your broker or log on to your favorite trading website, you will pay pretty close to that price to purchase a block of stock. The oil market is not nearly as transparent.
Think of oil like airplane tickets. The spot price is the price you pay if you show up at Sea-Tac and say “I have to be on the next plane to LA”. They will smile, you will break out your plutonium card, and you will shed a little tear at your bad luck.
Very few people pay these prices for airplane tickets, and very few people pay that price for oil. The vast majority of the worldwide petroleum market is done in private contracts between producers and retailers.
In the simplest case, the contract will be for six to twelve months between a producer and a refiner, and will be some multiplier of the spot price on the day that the contract is negotiated.
On the other end of the spectrum (say, I own a piece of land that has oil on it. I have no petrochemical expertise, nor am I interested in acquiring any. I want someone to come in, drill a well, and send me checks), the contract may be negotiated for 10 years or more in order to protect the energy company’s investment in exploration, etc. The price I receive for “my” oil will be dramatically below the spot price.
So when you ask “should the weighting for gasoline be the same as its importance in the global economy?”, there are (at least) two possible answers. One is “Should the weighting for gasoline be the same as the total value of gasoline throughout the global economy?”, in which case the drop in the share of gas is rather strange. The other is “Should the weighting for gasoline be the same as the quantity of gasoline which is bought and sold on the spot market?”, in which case the rebalancing might make more sense.
I do not play in the commodities market at all, so take anything I say with a pound or two of salt.
By the way, can someone find a link to the original Financial Times article please? A search of the FT website, Proquest, and a few other databases turned up bupkis.
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Jsa,
Good post. I hadn’t gotten into the details of spot vs. futures prices for commodities, because they can be somewhat distracting to the question at hand.
But, you’re right in that the phrase “overall importance to the Economy” is rather vague. One would expect that the particular weighting of any futures price in the index is trying to capture how changes in the Economy would affect futures prices of that commodity vis-a-vis futures prices of other commodities in the index. In that sense, it’s not about the “value” of gasoline (actually, we’re talking about crude oil, but that’s not overly germane) regardless of how you want to define the word “value”.
Let’s remember the whole point of the index. It’s to provide small investors a way to add commodities to an investment portfolio that will also track stocks, bonds and the money market. So, why would investors want to change the relative percentages of those investment categories? If commodities funds are affected by the same factors that affect, say, stock funds, then what’s the point of the index? (I suppose one could be cynical, and say that the index exists as a means for fund managers to come up with yet another way to get commissions, but I guess I’m just not that cynical.)
In any event, I suspect, though I’m not at all certain, that the specific weightings for these commodities will correlate with the various price elasticities of _supply_ for these commodities. As far as I can tell, that’s the only thing that really makes sense. And, yes, that does brook the notion that Goldman Sachs changed the GSCI weightings in response to some actually perceived changes in the price elasticity of supply, but one would want to see the actual numbers.
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1801
If the US continues its policy and operations as they are now the situation will worsen and the enemies of the USprincipally al Qaeda and Iranwill continue to strengthen. Washington needs to either get serious about the battle on the ground – physically against al Qaeda and the insurgencyand commit the troops that the commanders need, or they had better look for alternative solutions. At the end of the day what they’re facing is the potential of most of this country being ruled by a Shia-led theocracy-style government, with other parts of the government left as the Al Qaeda West desert training camp. To avoid that, something radical MUST be done. So Colin Powell is right; staying the course only strengthens America’s enemies.
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1802
JCH,
For once we agree; there will be no more questions because you have never served in the United States Navy. Period. I don’t need to ask you any more questions to determine if you served or not. Clearly, you did NOT!
Your knowledge on the very basics of seamanship and damage control that is common to ALL US Naval ships is sorely lacking. Gator Navy not withstanding.
Being at GQ means your ship’s material condition is set at condition “Zebra.” You did not know that. You also did not know that going to GQ at 2:30 am your ships material condition is Dog Zebra, Darken ship!
That is common to every single ship in the United States Navy. One of the first things every sailor learns when coming on board any US Navy ship is DC and what they mean. Even the nub fresh out of boot camp!! Given the level of weekly drills all naval ships do at sea, you’ve proven you just simply don’t know what happens when a ship is “haze gray and underway.”
Whether or not you are familiar with missile systems, you lack the understanding of how these weapon systems operate and what the consequences are of exposing the inside of your ship to high intensity flames exiting a missile and toxic gasses they produce. Particularly given the fact that the scenario I described specifically indicated that this is an ordinance space. Dumb ASS!
But the capper, you had no idea that when a ship goes to battle conditions that the Captain of the ship must be in control of the bridge and CIC which are always adjacent to each other and therefore, the skipper has the conn.
You are, without reservation, a wannabe military man. And, now you want to do what all Republicans want to do when the going gets tough; CUT-AND-RUN!! Just like Reagan did when the terrorist blew up our Marine barracks.
“I won’t be answering any more questions GBS wahhhhh, wahhhhh!”
Pussy!
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1803
JCH, Just a Civilian Hack!
Tell the truth, you WANTED to be a military MAN, but you just couldn’t cut it in your ROTC class and they dismissed your sorry ass didn’t they!
Yeah, that’s the only logical explanation as to why someone who claims they’re OOD qualified has no idea that Rep 3 makes repairs in the aft section of the ship when the ship is at battle stations.
See ya, Runner.
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1804
GBS,
a lot of fine work, deflating John’s carfully built internal fantasy. I hope you are satisfied.We in his family came to regard this latest personality construct as largely benign. Once this fantasy identity set in, the self-mutilation and night screaming largely subsided. We have been very grateful. If you only could appreciate how beneficial it has been for John to be able to retreat into this imaginary world of his, you might be more understanding. If you persist in challenging him, he may de-resolve again, or worse, adopt another, more self-destructive personality. And your work will never be done.
You will never be able to reason with him. His mind is gone. It is of no more use trying to debate with him, than it would be trying to debate with a schizophrenic street person living under a bridge.
It’s a sad story. But his family has come to accept his condition with equanimity. We love him in our own way. As much as anything, we love the memory of the bright, cheerful boy he once was. We cling to memories of the limitless potential he once held. We try not to think about his terrible descent into madness, and what it has cost him. How do we deal with John? With patience, and sympathy, to be sure.
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You know, if Kirk Fordham’s story about going to the House leadership back in 2003 about Rep. Foley is true, and he says he has phone records and e-mails to back it up, then every member of the House leadership has been lying outright to the American people from the beginning of this thing, including the guys (I’m lookin’ at YOU, Boehner) who had more than one story. Think about that for a minute.
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1806
Mrs. Craig @ 131:
I certainly understand your dilemma. I’ll acquiesce to your request because it’s apparent that little Johnny’s truth problem are not hereditary since you are being so open and honest.
Now that I know your little Johnny is retarded I’ll let up on him. In fact, I’m sure in his own way he did serve in the “navy” you created for him in the backyard puddles.
From now on we’ll all think of little Johnny as a puddle pirate.
Arrrrggghhhh! Little Johnny you’re a fine sailor. Back when ships were made of wood and the men were made of steel.
How’s that Mrs. Craig?
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1807
Thanks, GBS. That should be fine.
We’ve found that mocking John does very little to disturb his personality constructs. He usually reacts defensively. And his arguments in self-defense usually reinforce the internal fantasy.
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Don Joe @ 127:
Thanks for writing back. Your post was enlightening.
I suppose the part that I’m missing are the fundamentals of what makes a good index. Yes, the goal is to create a balanced basket of stocks, commodities, what have you that are reflective of broader things (i.e. the basic health of the economy). However, how the great and good at Standard & Poors or Goldman Sachs determine these basket balances, and how you can look a particular basket and say “yes, that makes sense” or “no, that looks like shenanigans” is far afield from things I know about.
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1809
I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat.
Open thread
In his new book, “State of Denial,” Bob Woodward describes a White House in disarray, and a deteriorating war in Iraq that is going much worse than the Bush Administration portrays it. But there was also this tidbit I found interesting:
The book also reported that then-CIA Director George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief, Cofer Black, grew so concerned about a possible al-Qaida attack in summer 2001 that they abruptly decided to drive straight to the White House to get high-level attention.
Tenet called Rice, then the national-security adviser, from his car to ask to see her in hopes that the surprise appearance would make an impression.
But the meeting on July 10, 2001, left Tenet and Black frustrated and feeling brushed off, Woodward reported. Rice, they believed, did not feel the same sense of urgency about the threat and was content to wait for a policy review.
Never before as an administration been so wrong on so many things with such devastating consequences. This is what comes from governing on belief rather than knowledge.
Comments
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1810
Pyongyang–Rodong Sinmun in an article today says Kim Jong Il is a gifted thinker and theoretician who has glorified the revolutionary idea of President Kim Il Sung as the eternal guiding idea of the era of independence with his outstanding ideological and theoretical activities. Today, the revolutionary idea of the President is highly praised by progressive humankind… [….OK, “The Socialist”……..Headless Lucy……GBS………Who wrote this??????]
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1811
Wingnuts,
Shrubya lies to you:
In May, President Bush spoke in Chicago and gave a characteristically upbeat forecast: “Years from now, people will look back on the formation of a unity government in Iraq as a decisive moment in the story of liberty, a moment when freedom gained a firm foothold in the Middle East and the forces of terror began their long retreat.”
Two days later, the intelligence division of the Joint Chiefs of Staff circulated a secret intelligence assessment to the White House that contradicted the president’s forecast.
Instead of a “long retreat,” the report predicted a more violent 2007: “Insurgents and terrorists retain the resources and capabilities to sustain and even increase current level of violence through the next year.”
OOOPS!
But that’s ok. You wingnuts will lap up any lie for the team.
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1812
CHICAGO (AP) — A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit filed on behalf of an immigration activist who took refuge in a Chicago church after the government ordered her to deportation to Mexico. Elvira Arellano, 31, had hoped the judge would rule that deporting her would violate the constitutional rights of her 7-year-old son, Saul, an American citizen. [………………………Illegal Mexican alien plus anchor baby plus Jewish lawyer equals: Democrat Hillary Village third world “Baja Norte”. Atlas has Shrugged.]
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1813
For the Clueless, One Trident….Iran. We win. The Terror war is over.
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1814
We have long known that Bush’s stubborness has led to many poor decisions. What is new is that his stubborness has filtered down through his minions. They BELIEVE that they are right, they BELIEVE that God is on their side. Funny thing about that, the terrorists BELIEVE the very same thing.
Just one question for you on the right wing, how is this working for you so far?
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, soon you will be pissing fruit punch.
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1815
JCH:
You are not a congressman from Florida, are you? I’m just saying.
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1816
The President’s job approval among American adults fell a point today to 39% making it the first drop below 40% since early August. Fifty-eight percent (58%) disapprove of the way the President is performing his job.
President Bush receives approval among 44% of Caucasians and 29% of Americans of other ethnicities. His lowest approval rating, however, is among African Americans at a mere 9%.
On a state-by-state basis, in 21 of 27 states surveyed by Rasmussen Reports recently the percentage of those who disapprove of the President’s job performance outweighs the percentage of those who approve. Bush fares exceptionally poorly in Oregon, Connecticut, Maryland, New Jersey, Rhode Island and Washington
Yep, so smart of the Bush to nationalize the election around him. I bet Reichert is spinning in his grave.
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1817
Well the only thing worse than a Christian Jew Hater is a liberal Jew hater. Take this for example:
Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.
“Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.
“I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities.I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”
Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:Psssssssssstttttttt…….
Ah it looks like the story was all a bunch of hot air. Well there you have it. Enjoy all you Nazi Libs.
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1818
Maf54: You in your boxers, too?
JCH: Nope, just got home. I had a college interview that went late.
Maf54: Well, strip down and get relaxed.Another message:
Maf54: What ya wearing?
JCH: tshirt and shorts
Maf54: Love to slip them off of you.And this one:
Maf54: Do I make you a little horny?
JCH: A little.
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Doofus:
You keep forgetting to finish your story. Haq was a peaceful liberal until he came under the influence of a far right Christian Church where he was baptized. So, by your own reasoning, it was his far right brainwashing that made him hate Jews.
Doofus, why do you hate Christians so?
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the only thing worse than a Christian Jew Hater
Aaaaah. Lookee here. DOOFUS is excusing the right-wing Christian Jew haters.. Figures. They’re his peeps!
Why do you hate Jewish people so much DOOFUS?
Hey DOOFUS! Would Jesus vote for Foley? for Hastert? for Boehner?
Poor Doofus. Just can’t stop losing!
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1821
Kofi, Spike and Blade will be among the pupils arriving at primary schools in four years time, all with Democrat parents. Also popular in Democrat minority communities are “MoFo”, “GuvCheck” and “Marlboro”.
Ahhh for the good old days when chillrens were named LaShonda, Aquavelva, Chlymidia, LaChammonique, Rawanda, and Shaniqua….Yes, These names would take a young Democrat far!!!!
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1822
JCH:
You are not a congressman from Florida, are you? I’m just saying.
Commentby JDB [No…Are you? I’m just “axing”? [A little Ebonics there so our black Democrats can follow along.]
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Let’s see- this is the same Bob Woodward who claimed to have snuck into William Casey’s hospital roo to have a final deathbed interview?
C’mon, Goldstein- Woodward has as much credibility as Kitty Kelly…
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1824
‘a deteriorating war in Irag that is going much worse than the Bush administration portrays it’…..I ask again: Why, why, why then does Maria Cantvotewell continually support and vote for this war and it’s funding time and time again? Simple question which probably most of you leftist morons have no real answer for.
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“‘a deteriorating war in Irag that is going much worse than the Bush administration portrays it’…..I ask again: Why, why, why then does Maria Cantvotewell continually support and vote for this war and it’s funding time and time again? Simple question which probably most of you leftist morons have no real answer for.
Commentby Mark1— 9/30/06@ 1:14 pm
At least you choose to paraphrase the question that was asked and answered on other threads. I’m at the office right now, and my time is somewhat limited, so I apologize that I have not taken the time to re-phrase my earlier answer.
As many of us here have stated, many times, her votes on that are not something to be proud of. Lots of people originally believed the lies that we were told and voted for the war, but have since then learned the truth and changed their positions. She has not, nor has she (in my not-so-humble opinion) given a good reason for her continued support.
** Side note ** Even I can see some good reasons for us to stay in Iraq, although not with our current leadership. She may believe that once the current leaders are out, we may be able to do some good, and that simply pulling out would be a betrayal of the Iraqis that have risked their lives to help us, trusting that we would help them rebuild their country. Still, if this is her position, she should say so.
Unfortunately, our current government seems to be determined to continue the policies that have gotten us into this mess. Given a choice between continuing to alienate the entire world (while strengthening and enlarging the terrorist groups determined to kill us) and simply getting out and refusing to do any more damage (and killing a bunch more American and British troops), I’ll go with getting out.
Bad choices all around, but those are the choices we seem to have today. I don’t like Ms. Cantwell’s votes on Iraq, but I can understand them, and considering that the alternative is a fervent Bush supporter that has come out publicly in favor of this latest outrage upon our Constitution, I’ll stick with Ms. Cantwell.
How, exactly, is that hypocritical?
Commentby John Barelli— 9/30/06@ 1:35 pm
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Mark1 – you’re the moron. Dems in Congress don’t vote against war funding because they care about the troops.
When the Dems (adults) are in charge, we’ll rotate out of Iraq to Afghanistan and finish the job with al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
You know get bin Laden and al-Zawahiri? Remember them?
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Mark1
Not only that, your framing of Maria Cantwell “voting for the war” is oncorrect. The Senate voted on and passed an Authorization of the Use of Force. Their vote was based on the incomplete (I would say “cooked” but some would not, but irrefutably incomplete) intel they were fed, pressure to vote for the AUF because it was drummed up just before the midterms (not that the GOP would politicize the GWoT or anything), and the president’s promises to use force only as a last resort after diplomacy failed and after the inspections were complete, even though that liar knew they were already planning a March attack.
Had the Senate known the true state of current intelligence at the time and that the president was a lying sack of shit, the Democrats who voted for the AUF would never have done so.
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“We must understand the Mooooooooslims.” [Daddy Love]
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It is hilarious how the right wing nuts complain about everything under the sun, except for the lies that roll off Bush’s lips every single day.
Democrats will do this, Democrats did that.
Totally ignore the TREASON being committed daily by Bush, and his poodles in congress.
I can’t wait till the investigations start.
Bush did say he would use force as a last resort, after tellng the British when the bombing would begin.
If Maria made a mistake, it was believing her president. That would be her only mistake. What mistake/s have you made wingnuts? Voting for lying traitors, or tools in congress.
Saying you support any Republican these days labels you as an enemy of decency, democracy, and humanity.
I know, I made you mad. Go torture your wife, or message a page…
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What is mind blowing is the overwhelming evidence Bush did absolutely nothing to protect us when he first took office, even with multiple in your face warnings, and people still support him.
Eight months, and did not even call a meeting to discuss terrorists, when the Clinton folks told them over, and over it should be their #1 concern.
How can you righties sleep at night.
It sure wasn’t any of your family killed on 9-11, because if it was, you would be screaming for REPUBLICAN BLOOD, alongside Bin Laden’s.
Support Republicans = Inhuman
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JCH, where is your humanity?
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But that’s ok. You wingnuts will lap up any lie for the team.
Commentby For the Clueless— 9/30/06@ 10:30 am
They relish the terror, not the lie. Why do you think Rove has allowed Bush to publish the chosen excerpts? These are bullies following a bully. Ass-doc is one of the biggest bullies. Rufuck is a confused bully – occasionally he starts to think but immediately catches hiimself.
You guys try to so hard to be reasonable with bullies. They feast on the terror; they sell the terror; they are addicted to the terror. Why else would this Resident Idiot and his Wizard Rove want to cover the land in terror and fear? These people love it.
The sheep will remain herded, cowered and obedient in the face of terror. And the bullies will remain in charge and their torture will continue.
Bush is the devil disguised and these people are following a false god . . . an idol. God help them when this devil is revealed.
Until then, your words and your reasoning will go unheard for bullies don’t want to stop. . .
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1833
14 POINTS OF FASCISM
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.
5. Rampant sexism
Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.
6. A controlled mass media
Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.
7. Obsession with national security
Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected
Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.
14. Fraudulent elections
Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
NOTE: The above 14 Points was written in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).
Does any of this sound familiar? As America sinks deeper and deeper into corporate greed will this country continue to be a democracy by the people and for the people or will it be ruled by the few? Will the trinity of money, power and greed over come one of the greatest countries in the world? Only we, the people, can keep it free. SPEAK OUT AND LET YOUR THOUGHTS BE KNOWN…ONLY BY SILENCE WILL WE BE DEFEATED!
“What no one seemed to notice. . . was the ever widening gap. . .between the government and the people. . . And it became always wider. . . the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated . . . by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .
Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’. . . must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. . . .Each act. . . is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow.
You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone. . . you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ . . .But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. . . .You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father. . . could never have imagined.” :
From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
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Awesome video, but when you watch, be sure to look for Mark, AssDoc, Rufuck, Proud2bStupid, Jim King, even Smeg . . . if you look, you’ll see their faces in the crowd. They are really there! You’ll love it! (This is redstate blog if you’re curious.)
Commentby skagit— 9/30/06@ 4:35 pm
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Socialist – those points have been posted so many times and they really take up a lot of space. Why not bullet the really important words and make the point in a way that the fools on this blog will really read. Long posts just get skipped over.
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You keep forgetting to finish your story. Haq was a peaceful liberal until he came under the influence of a far right Christian Church where he was baptized. So, by your own reasoning, it was his far right brainwashing that made him hate Jews.
Doofus, why do you hate Christians so?
Commentby JDB— 9/30/06@ 11:55 am
the only thing worse than a Christian Jew Hater
Aaaaah. Lookee here. DOOFUS is excusing the right-wing Christian Jew haters.. Figures. They’re his peeps!
Why do you hate Jewish people so much DOOFUS?
Hey DOOFUS! Would Jesus vote for Foley? for Hastert? for Boehner?
Poor Doofus. Just can’t stop losing!
Commentby For the Clueless— 9/30/06@ 12:53 pm
What we need to do is keep an eye on lifelong liberals which Haq was. We must lock up anyone who says they hate conservatives. It is a matter of life or death to Jewish people.
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How can you righties sleep at night.
It sure wasn’t any of your family killed on 9-11, because if it was, you would be screaming for REPUBLICAN BLOOD, alongside Bin Laden’s.
Support Republicans = Inhuman
Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 9/30/06@ 3:22 pm
We can sleep at night because over 80% of the people doing the fighting are republican. Of course you lefties know that because you go out of your way to make sure the military doesnt vote.
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Of course you lefties know that because you go out of your way to make sure the military doesnt vote.
Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy [……Democrat libs “serve” in the State Department [“civil service” in Washington, D.C.], or in the “Peace Corp”, or as ACL Jew lawyers, not NEVER do they put their lives or their kids lives on the line in the American military.]
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RUFUS Fitzgerald, go and play with the other 101st keyboard Commandos
I am retired military, I vote and no one has stopped me.
And if you really believe that 80% of the military who are doing the fighting are Republicans, your smoking and it is not tobacco:
Now running for office: an army of Iraq veterans
Among the Democratic vet candidates, 10 have served in either Afghanistan or the current Iraq war, or both.
The Republicans have one Iraq war vet running for Congress, Van Taylor of Texas…
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Two bearded young men laugh and joke for the camera. They appear relaxed, well groomed, intelligent….These images are part of a videotape, nearly an hour long, that was filmed at Osama Bin Laden’s lair in Afghanistan 6½ years ago. They are revealed today for the first time, and they are a missing chapter in the searing story of the attacks on America on September 11, 2001. [……….The terrorists are OK as long as they vote Democrat, right Daddy Love?]
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Commander Ogg, Al Gore tried to kick out military votes in FL [NOV 2000] because they were Democrat votes??? Hello!!! Anyone home????
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28 Skagit is delusional and the video was not awesome.
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24 The Socialist
Don’t keep posting huge tracts. Really. Please. You’ve been here a while; you know that it’s mostly regular posters (unfortunately in some ways). Paste an excerpt, then link to the rest. We’ve all seen it in already other threads. It’s a big pain to keep scrolling past huge stretches of the same highway again and again.
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JCH
Al Gore’s team in 2000 tried to keep military votes that were received past the legal deadlines from being counted, to the best of my recollection.
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JCH: good so your getting horny
Teen: lol . . . a bit
JCH: did you spank it this weekend yourself
Teen: no
Teen: been too tired and too busy
JCH: wow…
JCH: I am never to busy haha
Teen: haha
JCH: or tired . . . helps me sleep
Teen: that’s true
Teen: haven’t been having a problem with sleep though . . I just walk in the door and collapse
JCH: i am sure
Teen: I don’t do it very often normally though
JCH: why not
JCH: at your age seems like it would be daily
Teen: not me
Teen: im not a horn dog
Teen: maybe 2 or 3 times a week
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JCH:
People from Indiana say “axe.” If you are not too busy out blowing sailors on a weeknight, watch Letterman.
At least get your bigotry right you idiot.
What a maroon.
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Doctor JCH @32 Yeah, go and change the subject. What you do not know, and do not care, is that the 2400 ballots that the Democrats wanted to reject violated Florida/Federal law because they were absentee ballots that did not arrive until after the election. The 11th circuit court allowed the vote to be counted.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/L.....index.html
A three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the ruling by U.S. District Judge Maurice Paul in Gainesville, Florida, was consistent with recent comments by Florida’s highest court about the workings of the absentee ballot law.Course it did not much what the Florida Supremes ruled, because an unsigned opinion by 5 Republican operatives released in the middle of the night selected GWB as the Pres:
The decision was widely criticized for the following sentence in the majority opinion:
Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities.
The court’s defenders considered this a reasonable precaution against the possibility that the decision might be read overbroadly, arguing that in the short time available it would not be appropriate to attempt to craft language spelling out in greater detail how to apply the holding to other cases. Critics, however, interpreted the sentence as stating that the case did not set precedent in any way and could not be used to justify any future court decision, and some suggested that this was evidence the majority realized its holding was untenable. It was seen by many as a departure from the stare decisis principle.
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We must lock up anyone who says they hate conservatives.
I don’t know anyone who hates conservatives but I do know plenty of people who loathe facists and worshippers of authoritarianism.
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Suppers waiting. Ogg out.
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What we need to do is keep an eye on lifelong liberals
99.99% of lifelong liberals never kill anyone. The same is probably true of conservatives – more or less.
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39 – correction: fascists.
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28 Skagit is delusional and the video was not awesome.
Commentby sillyguy— 9/30/06@ 5:40 pm
Got you to watch it, now didn’t it? Did you see yourself in the crowd?
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99.99% of lifelong liberals never kill anyone.
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36 JDB
Your attempt at humor is sad and lacking. Your time would be better spent in making valid comments about the topics at hand rather that to try to associate someone you don’t know or appreciate with illegal activities.
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Hey DOOFUS! Would Jesus vote for George “Macaca” Allen? For Bob Ney? for Duke Cunningham?
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Commander Ogg, Like I said………Al Gore did his damnest to kick out the Florida military votes while attempting to count all the prison felon votes in black Broward County. Typical scum Democrat………….
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43 – Skagit
You are still delusional and are need of medical help. Please leave me out out your delusions. Thanks!
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Who votes Democrat? Felons, blacks, welfare hacks, “guvment” employees on the dole, guilty libs, 90% of Jews, and homo Hollywood fags.
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Saturday, September 30, 2006
Fox News’ first slump may be a sign of the times
By DAVID BAUDER
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Fox News Channel will mark its 10th anniversary next week in an unusual position: knocked back on its heels.
The network is in the midst of its first-ever ratings slump. Cable news’ most stable lineup is being juggled. And the blow-up over President Clinton’s interview with Chris Wallace suggests that Democrats are attacking Fox because they perceive the same vulnerability in the network as they do in the Bush administration.
. . .But the years of explosive growth have ended at Fox. Viewership over the first eight months of the year was down 5 percent compared to 2005, with a steeper 13 percent decline in prime time, according to Nielsen Media Research. For 12 straight months, Fox’s prime-time audience has been smaller than the year before. Meanwhile, CNN viewership inched up 5 percent this year through August.
. . .
Some believe there’s a correlation to the declining popularity of President Bush and concern about the Iraq war. “The rah-rah enthusiasm that was there in 2002, four years later has dissipated,” Sorenson said.
Some of the bigger stories of the past year, such as Hurricane Katrina and the wars in the Middle East, played better to the newsgathering strengths of CNN, Heyward said.
Olbermann’s growing popularity — and growing partisanship — along with the response to Clinton’s “Fox News Sunday” interview also indicate that Fox’s foes have less fear about taking the network on.
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BTW, Al Gore flew in on a private G-4 [Gulfstream], took a V8 limo [10 MPG] to an air conditioned suite big enough to house 3 welfare families, and gave a speech in Sundance, Utah in a ballroom that required enough electricity to power a small town. The theme was “Energy Conservation”. hehe, JCH
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Sillyguy at 45
Please see JCH at 49.
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JCH: really
JCH: do you really do it face down
Teen: ya
JCH: kneeling
Teen: well I don’t use my hand . . . I use the bed itself
JCH: where do you unload
Teen: towel
JCH: really
JCH: completely naked?
Teen: Well ya
JCH: very nice
Teen: lol
JCH: cute butt bouncing in the air
Teen: haha
Teen: well ive never watched myslef
Teen: but ya I guess
JCH: i am sure not
JCH: hmmm
JCH: great visual
JCH: i may try that
Teen: it works
JCH: hmm
JCH: sound interesting
JCH: I always use lotion and the hand
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Who votes Democrat? Felons, blacks, welfare hacks, “guvment” employees on the dole, guilty libs, 90% of Jews, and homo Hollywood fags. Oh…….add in illegal alien votes, Jews who live in New York but also vote in Palm Beach and Miami, and those who are died and are buried in Cook County, Il. Did I miss any??????? Oh, losers on HA.ORG who have “guvment” jobs any believe everyone else should be paying more taxes so they can have their “guvment” job.
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JDB, It sounds like your sex life. Alone………..or with barnyard animals.
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Bad news for the cowards and traitors on the right. The traitor Bush is exposed in this book which will be on the Best Seller List by Wed.
And to all the traitors who support Bush be careful. As your friends and neighbors find out you support a traitor, you may find yourself in trouble.
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Teen: i don’t use lotion . . . takes too much time to clean up
teen: with a towel you can just wipe off . . . and go
JCH: lol
JCH: where do you throw the towel
Teen: but you cant work it too hard . . . or its not good
Teen: in the laundry
JCH: just kinda slow rubbing
Teen: ya…
Teen: Or youll rub yourself raw
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52 JDB Please see my original comment at 45. Your sad attempts at humor are lackng in intelligence and originality. You post both here and at SP. Rather than dicussing the topic, you insist on going off-topic with what you consider humor. Your humor is not there. Please reconsider and post on topic on-topic.
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58, cont……….yeah! JCH
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Now running for office: an army of Iraq veterans
Among the Democratic vet candidates, 10 have served in either Afghanistan or the current Iraq war, or both.
The Republicans have one Iraq war vet running for Congress, Van Taylor of Texas…
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/.....-uspo.htmlCommentby Commander Ogg— 9/30/06@ 5:26 pm
Yep, when the going gets tough the dems always cut and run for office.
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hey, JCH Kennedy – get a life, you low life….you forgot to mention who votes for Republicans – those illegal aliens that Bush is trying to prop up like spring lilies.
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JCH
Al Gore’s team in 2000 tried to keep military votes that were received past the legal deadlines from being counted, to the best of my recollection.
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/30/06@ 5:44 pm
Yeah, Al Gore wanted to ignore a federal law stating that the votes were legal. Of course what do you expect from a democrat.
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sillyguy:
Didn’t know you have been appointed thead police by Goldy. Question, how is one off topic in an open thread?
Second, please name any time that JCH has posted on topic?
Babe, I know it is hard being a conservative now days with everything you believe in tanking. But learn to chill. Otherwise we will just have to call you wrong guy.
But I do understand that John Craig is such a wimpering bitch that you want to defend him…, are you his pimp?
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hey, JCH Kennedy – get a life, you low life….you forgot to mention who votes for Republicans – those illegal aliens that Bush is trying to prop up like spring lilies.
Commentby Heathen Sinner— 9/30/06@ 7:34 pm
Yeah you tell em sinner. That is why we are for voter ID cards and….. wait…. What the hell am I saying. I am a democrat and live of the illegal vote. Nevermind.
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Francine – you sure your not a Republican? – you sound like a real hypocrite….wait…did I mean Republican.
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Heathen at 65:
Same thing.
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Teen: but you cn find something softer than a towel o giess
JCH: but it must feel great spirting on the towel
Teen: ya
JCH: wow
JCH: is your little guy limp . . . or growing
Teen: eh growing
JCH: hmm
JCH: so you got a stiff one now
Teen: not that fast
Teen: hey
Teen: so you have a fetich
JCH: hey what
Teen: fetish**
JCH: like
JCH: I like steamroom
JCH whats yours
Teen: its kind weird
Teen: lol
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Doofus at 62:
Given that GWB has never found a federal law that he hasn’t walked all over, I really don’t think you want to make that point.
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68
Why are you dems so concerned about the rule of law all of a sudden. You obviously didnt care in the 90’s. Oh, thats right your not in power.
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63 JDB
It so happens that your posts are total obnoxious and make this Blog X-Rated to the point I would not even want to show my wife. You are one of the only people making my point. (Left Hand is another but he is Recovering and getting better.). If you would clean up your posts then HA would be very much more believable in the world of blogs!!!
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Relgious Cooks
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JCH stands for:
Just Cunt Hair
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JDB YOU STILL USING YOUR COMPUTER AT WORK.YEP LEAVE IT TO THE LEFT TO SCREW THE PEOPLE THEY WORK FOR.JDB BLOGS ON THE PEOPELS DIME.AND YOU GOT THE BALLS TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE.
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CLUELESS@17 YOUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY COULD NOT FIND A PHONE BOTH WITH A MAP.
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The following is a very interesting perspective about our “Drive by Media!.” Victor Davis Hanson is a professor at Fresno State.
Eye of the Beholder by Victor Davis Hanson The American Enterprise Online
War-torn Iraq has about 26 million residents, a peaceful California perhaps now 35 million. The former is a violent and impoverished landscape, the latter said to be paradise on Earth. But how you envision either place to some degree depends on the eye of the beholder and is predicated on what the daily media appear to make of each.
As a fifth-generation Californian, I deeply love this state, but still imagine what the reaction would be if the world awoke each morning to be told that once again there were six more murders, 27 rapes, 38, arsons, 180 robberies, and 360 instances of assault in California –
yesterday, today,tomorrow, and every day. I wonder if the headlines would scream about “Nearly 200 poor Californians butchered again this month!”How about a monthly media dose of “600 women raped in February alone!” Or try, “Over 600 violent robberies and assaults in March, with no end in sight!” Those do not even make up all of the state’s yearly 200,000 violent acts that law enforcement knows about.
Iraq ‘s judicial system seems a mess. On the eve of the war, Saddam let out 100,000 inmates from his vast prison archipelago. He himself still sits in the dock months after his trial began. But imagine an Iraq with a penal system like California’s with 170,000 criminals – an inmate population larger than those of Germany , France , the Netherlands, and Singapore combined.
Just to house such a shadow population costs our state nearly $7 billion a year – or about the same price of keeping 40,000 Army personnel per year in Iraq . What would be the image of our Golden State if we were reminded each morning, “Another $20 million spent today on housing our criminals”?
Some of California ‘s most recent prison scandals would be easy to sensationalize: “Guards watch as inmates are raped!” Or “Correction officer accused of having sex with under-aged detainee!” And apropos of Saddam’s sluggish trial, remember that our home state multiple murderer,Tookie Williams, was finally executed in December 2005 – 26 years after he was originally sentenced.
Much is made of the inability to patrol Iraq ‘s borders with Iran, Jordan , Kuwait , Saudi Arabia , Syria , and Turkey . But California has only a single border with a foreign nation, not six. Yet over 3 million foreigners who sneaked in illegally now live in our state.
Worse, there are about 15,000 convicted alien felons incarcerated in our penal system, costing about $500 million a year. Imagine the potential tabloid headlines: “Illegal aliens in state comprise population larger than San Francisco!” or “Drugs, criminals, and
smugglers given free pass into California !”Every year, over 4,000 Californians die in car crashes – nearly twice the number of Americans lost so far in three years of combat operations in Iraq . In some sense, then, our badly maintained roads, and often poorly trained and sometimes intoxicated drivers, are even more lethal than Improvised Explosive Devices. Perhaps tomorrow’s headline might scream out at us: “300 Californians to perish this
month on state highways! Hundreds more will be maimed and crippled!”In 2001, California had 32 days of power outages, despite paying nearly the highest rates for electricity in the United States . Before complaining about the smoke in Baghdad rising from private generators, think back to the run on generators in California when they were contemplated as a future part of every household’s line of defense.
We’re told that Iraq ‘s finances are a mess. Yet until recently, so were California’s. Two years ago, Governor Schwarzenegger inherited a $38 billion annual budget shortfall. That could have made for strong morning newscast teasers: “Another $100 million borrowed today – $3
billion more in red ink to pile up by month’s end!”So is California comparable to Iraq ? Hardly. Yet it could easily be sketched by a reporter intent on doing so as a bankrupt, crime-ridden den with murderous highways, tens of thousands of inmates, with wide-open borders.
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sillyguy: how old are you? if ur under 18 give me a call.
rufus: ditto
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Join “Democrats For Voter ID!” Oh, wait…….There is no such organization? Never mind!!!!!!
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YO:
Lay off the drugs. I work in the private sector, and it is Saturday! Dolt.
Damn WAREZ kids are so annoying.
Sillyguy. You do live up to your name, don’t you. First of all, nothing I posted is x-rated. These are the words of one of the fine conservatives who serve the people in the other Washington. Congressman Mark Foley. I found them at http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf. You did notice that I put JCH’s messages in italics to show that they were a quote?
JCH is the best example of a conservative we have around here. You are obviously proud of his bigoted, racist, misogynistic, foolish lying ass. (Ask him why he has never been able to post a single link proving that Bill Clinton called Dick Morris a “jew bastard.” What I post is true.) Given that he is obviously a self-loathing old queer, I figured that he must be Mark Foley posting here. So I thought I would post some of his messages here. I would think you would be as proud of those post of a great conservative as you are of JCH, a great conservative.
It’s not my fault that your point of view seems to give rise to an awful lot of sick bastards. Perhaps you would want to do something about that. Also, I would think that you would want your wife to know what sort of people the GOP have representing you back in Washington. Why would you not want her to know the truth?
Second, Please point out somewhere else where my language was “bad” other than when I was posting Congressman Foley’s messages? Outside the few outright bigots here (Loser Yellowback and JCH), I try to be snarky at worse.
So, until you get your bitch John Craig to play nice, you will forgive me if I just laugh my ass off when I hear your little whine. Babe, please, you can’t be as stupid as your posts make you seem. And I find it highly offensive that someone like you doesn’t care to question a blatant racist like John Craig Herman. As a gentleman, I await your apology sir.
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Race and immigration could determine the 2008 presidential race, Democratic Party chief Howard Dean told a group of Hispanic leaders Saturday. […….”Another 10 million illegal Democrat votes from Mexico, and a few hundred thousand cases of Marlboros and Black Velvet, and Democrats can win in 06!” [Howard Dean]]
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(Ask him why he has never been able to post a single link proving that Bill Clinton called Dick Morris a “jew bastard.”
Commentby JDB [………Dumb ass!! It was Hillary who called Dick Morris a “FUCKING JEW BASTARD!” Not Bill, and get the quote right!!!!]
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It is imparative to have background and ID checks for every gun purchased in the US…… what? We are talking about fair elections and not gun control. Nevermind.
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“So, until you get your bitch John Craig to play nice..”
Commentby JDB— [……Nope. Sorry, JDB. So bend over and let Democrat black felon hero “Tookie” Williams give your rectum the 9 inches of “Tookie love” you so enjoy!! Even if Democrat black felon hero “Tookie” is dead, He’s still 9 inches of stiff “Democrat love” for you!!!]
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Join “Democrats For Voter ID!” Oh, wait…….There is no such organization? Never mind!!!!!!
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Sillyguy:
Something else I’m sure you wouldn’t want your wife to read:
House Majority Leader John A. Boehner and Speaker J. Dennis Hastert knew since spring that Mark Foley was screwing around with young boys, and apparently didn’t do a damn thing about it.
Now that’s moral leadership!Meanwhile, the Chicago Trib’s Washington bureau is furiously asking why Foley was allowed to remain the chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children when the GOP leadership knew he was having “inappropriate contact” with teen boys.
Duh. Because he’s an expert in the field!
http://www.wonkette.com/politi.....204414.php
Yep, Boehner and Hasert kept him as chair of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. Amazing how many sick bastards like JCH conservatism attracts.
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1894
“IDs for voting is racist because Democrat blacks are too stupid to get IDs for voting, but are smart enough to get IDs for welfare, food stamps, and cashing “guvment” checks”. [Howard Dean]
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1895
(Ask him why he has never been able to post a single link proving that Bill Clinton called Dick Morris a “jew bastard.”
Commentby JDB [………Dumb ass!! It was Hillary who called Dick Morris a “FUCKING JEW BASTARD!” Not Bill, and get the quote right!!!!]
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1896
JDB, Do you know REP Barney Fag, er, Frank, DEMOCRAT. MASS??
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1897
(Ask him why he has never been able to post a single link proving that Bill Clinton called Dick Morris a “jew bastard.”
Commentby JDB [………Dumb ass!! It was Hillary who called Dick Morris a “FUCKING JEW BASTARD!” Not Bill, and get the quote right!!!! I should know, I made it up!!!!]
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1898
Skagit at 25:
Now that is my kind of video!!! It is great to see people who agree with me. Thanks for putting that up. Everyone, you should check this out!
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1899
Doctor Maf54 Kennedy, You need to spend some night “quality” time in 100% Democrat cities such as Detroit, Gary, Philly, and South Central LA. Walk the streets, and enjoy being away from evil Republicans! Get to know the local Democrats!! Enjoy a smoke and drink with the local Democrat “MoFos”!!! hehe, JCH
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1900
Doctor JCH Kennedy, Are you some kind of Dumbocrap? The only people who spend “quality” time in places like that are the ones that like the old “tookie love.” What kind of fag are you?
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1901
Among those who became aware earlier this year of the fall 2005 communications between Mr. Foley and the 16-year-old page, who worked for Representative Rodney Alexander, Republican of Louisiana, were Representative John A. Boehner, the majority leader, and Representative Thomas M. Reynolds of New York, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. Mr. Reynolds said in a statement Saturday that he had also personally raised the issue with Speaker J. Dennis Hastert.
“Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn’t want the matter pursued, I told the speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me,” Mr. Reynolds said.
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1902
JCH =
Just Can’t Helpbeingafuckingmoron
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1903
75 sgmmac
Although I am a writer by profession, it’s not just my silly preference, it’s the law. When referring to copyrighted material, reprinting it in toto is not allowable under “fair use” provisions of copyright law. To make such a reference, excerpt the material (the <blockquoet> tag is good for this) and then adda link to the legal publishing site.
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1904
Leave it to Republicans to bring to the table good political discussuion. Cry and Cry and Cry when the Democrats are in power, then still Cry and Cry when their in power. How can they hold accountable their own party when all they do is cry and blame the liberal Democrats. Thier heros are Rush “I don’t do drugs” Limbaugh and Sean “Cry Baby” Hannity. They hold themselves so righteous and everyone else don’t belong – sounds like Hitler’s philosphy to me. Instead of debating the issues, they have their heads up their ass.
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1905
84 JDB
There is a tremndous difference between the truth and your feeble attempts at x-rated humor.
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1906
Sillyguy, you really are silly.
Again, what you consider to be my “feeble attempts at x-rated humor,” are verbatim transcripts of Congressman Mark Foley (R)-FL/JCH. Your party leadership knew about this for 10 months and let it keep on going.
Now that is pornographic.
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1907
Now if you want a feeble attempt at x-rated humor (using that phrase figuratively, which you apparently are doing), have your wife read this, she’ll get a kick out of it:
Did you hear about the leper who visited the prostitute?
He left a tip.
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1908
Victor Davis Hanson is a professor at Fresno State.
And a freakin’ idiot.
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1909
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1910
97 JDB
Item 67 was a feeble attempt at x-rated humor not your quote.
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1911
Moonbats: In an election year, Senator, Mary Landrieu, (D-Louisiana), is presently asking the Congress for $250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans. Interesting number, what does it mean?
a. Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans every man, woman, child, you each get $516,528.
b. Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans, your home gets $1,329,787.
c. Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.
That’s donk mathematics. Doesn’t matter if it’s needed, Just Do It!
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1912
From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955) back to Contents Commentby The Socialist— 9/30/06@ 4:10 pm
Nice cut and paste job. You must be friends of For Thoroughly Clueless.
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1913
Amazing thought from Cmdr Ogg: Among the Democratic vet candidates, 10 have served in either Afghanistan or the current Iraq war, or both. The Republicans have one Iraq war vet running for Congress, Van Taylor of Texas… http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/.....-uspo.html Commentby Commander Ogg— 9/30/06@ 5:26 pm
10/140,000 is a very LOW number. Counting rotations 10/200,000 is an even LOWER number. You’re doing a fine moonbattic job!
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1914
JCH Al Gore’s team in 2000 tried to keep military votes that were received past the legal deadlines from being counted, to the best of my recollection. Commentby Daddy Love— 9/30/06@ 5:44 pm
Google it to clear your recollection. Your eyes will be opened to what David Boies did for Al Gore! Puddy did a great job detailing this on this full of left wing static station! I realize left wing moonbat idiots like For Thoroughly Clueless don’t read Puddy, but his links and Internet usage provides facts that hurt the librul mind. So does HowCan. She provides facts that hurt the librul mind too from URLs.
I like KLake when he posts URLs being career military. All Carl can do is swear and call him names in his usually ineffective deflection schemes! Only Carl can attack sgmmac and KLake because carl was a career “officer”. John Barelli served for a time so he gets a pass. I see GBS was busted for attacking a superior officer, but he was a Seal so he gets a pass. The rest of you puke filled moonbats should shut up when attacking sgmmac, KLake, or even JCH on military matters because you didn’t serve. Are you all that STUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIID?
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1915
Thanks Cmdr Ogg: I was waiting for the wikipedia attack. http://news.com.com/2061-10796_3-6033082.html.
Don’t use Wikipedia to make political commentary. Both sides use it to disparage each other.
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1916
House Majority Leader John A. Boehner and Speaker J. Dennis Hastert knew since spring that Mark Foley was screwing around with young boys, and apparently didn’t do a damn thing about it.
Now that’s moral leadership! Meanwhile, the Chicago Trib’s Washington bureau is furiously asking why Foley was allowed to remain the chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children when the GOP leadership knew he was having “inappropriate contact” with teen boys.Duh. Because he’s an expert in the field!
http://www.wonkette.com/politi.....204414.php Yep, Boehner and Hasert kept him as chair of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. Amazing how many sick bastards like JCH conservatism attracts. Commentby JDB— 9/30/06@ 11:20 pmThat is a mighty lofty attack. JDB do you have a cogent referential personal thought not tied to some moonbattic URL? Do you THINK for yourself? Didn’t think so.
Do you have proof he was molesting boys? Did NAMBLA prvide the proof? Has any boy stepped forward saying he was fondled? Or are you trying to provide cover to the NEA for all those donk teachers stealing the virginity of underage boys?
I’ll ask again: Where is the librul call for jurisprudence? Where is innocent until proven guilty? Where is the librul call for fairness? NOWHERE as I can see. Hypocrites!
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1917
Francine – you sure your not a Republican? – you sound like a real hypocrite….wait…did I mean Republican. Commentby Heathen Sinner— 9/30/06@ 7:47 pm
What a STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID donk.
It was translated and Busby replied: “Everybody can help, yeah, absolutely, you can all help. You don’t need papers for voting, you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.”
Bilbray said at worst, Busby was encouraging someone to vote illegally. At best, she was encouraging someone who is illegally in the country to work on her campaign.
“She’s soliciting illegal aliens to campaign for her and it’s on tape – this isn’t exactly what you call the pinnacle of ethical campaign strategy,” Bilbray said. “I don’t know how she shows her face.”
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....busby.html
I’d use Michelle Malkin, but moonbats made disparaging remarks about her Asian heritage. There is noting left scared to a moonbat anymore!
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1918
sillyguy:
Post 67 is a verbatim transcript of Congressman Foley/JCH. No joke. Just the truth.
MWS: Foley, Boehner and Hasert are all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I’m glad that you believe that they should all be indicted and tried.
However, none of that excuses the House Majority Leader and the Speaker from having protected a perv like Foley and leaving him on the caucus in charge of exploited children.
What’s wrong, are you afraid that if Foley can’t molest children that you will have to stop?
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1919
MWS:
Since you obviously don’t want to talk about how the House Republican Leadership was protecting one of their pervs, maybe you want to talk abou this:
On May 26, the Pentagon released an unclassified report to Congress, required by law, that contradicted the Joint Chiefs’ secret assessment. The public report sent to Congress said the “appeal and motivation for continued violent action will begin to wane in early 2007.”
There was a vast difference between what the White House and the Pentagon knew about the situation in Iraq and what they were saying publicly. But the discrepancy was not surprising. In memos, reports and internal debates, high-level officials of the Bush administration have voiced their concern about the United States’ ability to bring peace and stability to Iraq since early in the occupation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....t/asection
Republicans, Bad at Homeland Security, Good for Child Molesters. No wonder you are a Republican MWS.
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1920
Hey Mike, how is Bush doing? You think a Republican administration could have done something about spending $7 Billion on compensation to victims of the 9/11 attack. Each death claim averaged over 1.5 million dollars; just to protect the Airline Industry from lawsuits. You think someone could have prevented the airline idustries in this event without spending a dime. This was money well spent. Boo Hoo Hoo, so you lost your daddy; how many other people loose their daddy’s on any given day. Like the money brought back their loved one. $7 billion for 3,000 people. Not that I’m for appropriating $250 Billion to New Orleans, but you have to outline where the money is going; obviously the money isn’t going directly to individuals of NO. Think of all the small business that must be getting their hands on that money. You make a big statment but with very little meaning. Oh by the way, GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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1921
JDB The Real Child Molester of HorsesAss: Your side loves to convict before proof is delivered. Do you remember Merry Fitzmas in October 2005 and May 2006? I want to see where he fondled boys. As I stated Friday if he did the act send him to the pokey. Headless will be waiting for him for the hokey pokey.
FTR WRT Child Molesting: Not my style, never done it and I for sure do not support NAMBLA either. You and your friends here on AssesHorse do! Never saw you decry their acts. Never saw you decry the NEA support of female teachers raping young men! Still waiting for Fot Thoroughly Clueless to say he doesn’t support NAMBLA either. I haven’t seen Goldie say he doesn’t support NAMBLA!
Where did I write Boehner and Hastert are innocent of any “projected by JDB” crime? Nowhere! Citation please? I wrote Foley is innocent until proven guilty. I realize in the rush to judgment you are blurred by the facts. Facts hurt the librul mind.
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1922
Heathen Sinner@111: You sould get your facts straight when you want to attack me. New Orleans and Louisiana graft is part and parcel of DONKS! Go back and try again. I’ll wait until then…
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1923
I want to see where he fondled boys. As I stated Friday if he did the act send him to the pokey.
You should inform yourself about the issues involved before commenting.
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1924
Oh ok, your smart one. Stick a dildo up your ass! Just like a Republican, knows how to call people names; just doesn’t know how to speak about all the great things their party is doing. Tell us Mike, all the good thing that Bush is doing. You can’t – YOU BIG FUCKIND DONK!
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1925
Hey Big Donk Mike, let me tell you about my neighbors, both Republicans, Husband is divorced but quite the family man. They both work for the Air National Guard, there income is government subsidized. They live +3000 miles from Florida, but have both of their vehicles registered in Florida, probably because mommy lives in Florida, to avoid state taxes in the state in which they truly reside in…..So, it sounds like they should be living in New Orleans and Louisianna with the rest of the Donks. Again, Republicans hold themselves as the most righteous people – you should grow up – your like a 9 year old child. DONK.
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1926
Hey Dumbfucks-
“If the GOP can’t even keep a bunch of 15 year olds safe, how can they keep America safe?”
A question from a reader at “Talking points Memo”, but I like it , too.
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1927
They can’t, neither can the Democrats – don’t you guys get it, its not the affiliation of a political party that makes you who you are, but your own actions. DONK, DONK.
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1928
Doctor JCH Kennedy, Are you some kind of Dumbocrap? The only people who spend “quality” time in places like that are the ones that like the old “tookie love.” What kind of fag are you?
Commentby Doctor Maf54 Kennedy [……………………………………………………………………………Nope….Not a Republican within miles of these black Democrat urban shit holes. Just Democrat welfare hacks, felons, criminals, and human trash. All vote Democrat early and often as long as the KFC, Black Velvet, and Marlboros are given away.]
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1929
Hey WOS – I see you’re hiding in this old thread.
That Gorelick Wall bullshit was totally shredded. You like to believe in fairy tales. Figures. You’re a child.
You ask if I support NAMBLA. I do not support their mission, no. I believe it is immoral. If they are caught breaking the law, they should face the consequences.
However like the ACLU, I support their RIGHTS as granted by law including the right to defend themselves in a court of law against things they had nothing to do with.
Just like I support similar rights for YOU!
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1930
Correction: replace similar with “the same”
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1931
Well spoken Doc! Now we know why America is what it is. Doc, sounds like your upset; maybe a wind storm picked up your mobile home?
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1932
122 – you hiding in there WOS? Your world’s coming apart and I am damn pleased to see it happen.
Redeem yourself. Vote Democrat.
You voted for Brian Sonntag. I know you can do it.
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1933
Clueless, do you really expect MWS to grasp the distinction between supporting different people’s rights and supporting their causes?
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1934
124 – I’m not holding my breath.
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1935
Clueless – I hate to pop you ballon. I’m a newbie to this room – I’m not WOS. I have no idea who WOS is. No wonder they call you clueless.
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1936
#126: Well Said About Clueless! He doesn’t know who WOS is either. I’m MWS. He’s Clueless!
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1937
Clueless Can you figure out the punchline?
Pigeon Problems
The mayor of Houston Texas was very worried about a plague of pigeons in Houston. The mayor could not remove the pigeons from the city. All of Houston was full of pigeon poop. The people of Houston couldn’t walk on the sidewalks or drive on the roads. It was costing a fortune to try to keep the streets and sidewalks clean.
One day a man came to City Hall and offered the Mayor a proposition. “I can rid your beautiful city of its plague of pigeons without cost to the city. But, you must promise not to ask me any questions. Or, you can pay me five million dollars and ask one question.” The mayor considered the offer briefly and accepted the free proposition.
The next day the man climbed to the top of City Hall, opened his coat, and released a red pigeon. The red pigeon circled in the air and flew up into the bright blue Texas sky. All the pigeons in Houston saw the red pigeon. They gathered up behind the red pigeon. The Houston pigeons followed the red pigeon as she flew eastward out of the city.
The next day the red pigeon returned completely alone to the man atop City Hall. The Mayor was very impressed. He thought the man and the red pigeon had performed a wonderful miraculous feat to rid Houston of the plague of pigeons.
Even though the man with the pigeon had charged nothing, the mayor presented him with a check for 5 million dollars and told the man that, indeed, he did have a question to ask and even though they had agreed to no fee and the man had rid the city of pigeons, he decided to pay the 5 million just to get to ask ONE question.
The man accepted the money and told the mayor to ask his question.
The mayor asked: “Do you have any red Mexicans?
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1938
Skagit at 25:
Now that is my kind of video!!! It is great to see people who agree with me. Thanks for putting that up. Everyone, you should check this out!
Commentby Doctor Maf54 Kennedy— 9/30/06@ 11:35 pm
Thanks Ass-Doc-2K! See, I hope everybody views it . . . especially you, Smeg & King.
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1939
BTW, Smeg, if you knew anything at all, you’d know Victor Hanson is an apologist and militarist for this administration. That’s why he’s stuck at Fresno.
God help you, Smeg. You’re a grandma who should be more caring for the safety and education of her grandkids.
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1940
127 – Thanks for answering my question in 123. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt as to identity, however the thoughts I offered apply equally to you.
To summarize: if you support lies, incompetence and corruption vote Republican otherwise throw the rascals out.
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1941
Alternative Toe Jam: Results 1 – 10 of about 572 for Mark Foley Fondled Boys.
Find one where he fondled boys. He emailed them sure.
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1942
For Thoroughly Clueless: I voted for Sonntagg because he is the opposite of you! GGGGGet itttttt?
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1943
133 – busted. Puddybud…
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1944
If all the intelligent and informed of us quit posting on this blog, who would be left?
The AssxNine Kennedies, sillyguy, smeg, king, and few others . . . I’d love to see it! They’d be trying to outdo each other in stupidity . . .
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1945
Find one where he fondled boys. He emailed them sure.
Again, you should inform yourself about the issues involved before commenting.
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1946
“The AssxNine Kennedies . .????”
Commentby skagit [WE RULE!!! We do as we wish, we rape, we kill, we cheat, and you dumb ass libs vote for us every election!!]
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1947
Gas it up baby!
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1948
Good Try For Thoroughly Clueless. I admit I voted for Brian Sonntag. I voted donk for once in my life. Wait a minute. I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. That’s twice I voted donk.
Yes Clueless you got me. I am puddybud! NOT. Do I write like him? Do I attack you with the Internet like him? I would have to keep straight all the names I call you and all the names he calls you. Even for a conservative that’s a tough task.
I am also pbj, YO, yossarian, Kevin Cairns, Cynical, PacMan, righton, Janet S, Howcan too. There is only one person I am not. JCH. I don’t live in Hawaii.
Back to work now. Keep Searching. I’ll give you a hint Clueless. I showed my friends in an nacestrial search my ancestors came from Europe in the 1700’s. Now if Puddy is a black man, his ancestors came from where…? New Zealand?
STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID!
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1949
Karma Clueless you claimed I was PacMan. Then you tried Kevin Cairns. Hellovaneffort Karma boy. Keep up the good work. Still searching for your meaning in life.
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1950
I remember PacMan and I had to submit our Internet connections for Karma Boy.
Let me clue you in Karma Boy. Many conservatives voted for Brian Sonntagg. Good try at politics. We know a good donk when we see him. Have you ever voted Republican? Tell me Karmaboy? It’s okay, momma will let you play in the sand box!
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1951
BTW KArmaboy, is your daughter turning tricks yet? Since you seem to be zeroed in on Mark Foley, one of the first to yell about the Dubai ports deal you dumbASS moonbats forget was suggested by Clinton.
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1952
Goldy: I need to get the address of horsesass, oops I mean headless lucy. I want to take September 5 thru September 16 postings so his workplace can see the horsesass he is. Can you help me?
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1953
Calm. Calm, Puddybud…
Yes I have voted for a Republican: Norm Maleng and I’d like to vote for John Bridges for Supreme Court if he has a mind to run. I’d love to see Bridges whup the BIAW’s man.
And I’d like to vote for more Republicans. They just have to show some degree of sanity.
They have to be very unlike you…
And if you’re not WOS, you sure got some tag team going there like you had with PacMan aka Jared Taylor’s fool.
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1954
They need to see what a good librul headless lucy really is. They need to see his compassion. They need to see his racism.
Then he has the audacity to write about George Allen. Up your headless lucy.
I bet Darcy Moonbat! doesn’t know who supports her. Oh yes, I read Emily’s List does.
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1955
Puddybud, you sound gay – are you a gay Republican? Oh no.
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1956
PacMan left bozoland because peeps like you didn’t take headless to task. Maybe his skin is thinner than mine. I also know this move took a real toll on his family life. It ain’t going too good for my friend Paccy.
Tag teaming? You mean like your with your friends GLA and GLAAD? OR your friends ALF and ELF?
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1957
is your daughter turning tricks yet?
Do I see a glimmer of support there for Foley, Puddybud? No wonder. Like most wingnuts he’d never pay for it, he’d always find a way to get what he wants with OPM – the room and the bubbly would be charged to the taxpayer.
Cheap labor wingnuttery personified!!
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1958
All this name calling – isn’t it so sweet – smell the success.
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1959
Headless Sinner: You have the wrong man for gayness. I suggest you try Rudejacks!, Boeing Bob, or Windie! I am very happily married way over 20+ years (not bragging) with the same woman. I love pussy; I practice everything imaginable you do to it to make the woman connected to it groggy eith ecstacy. I am a happy black man. I don’t need Viagra, Levitra or Cialis. God built me well. Thank you Jesus!
MWS, my relatives are Western African. Well hung, quick footed and good looking! We can think on our feet and on our butts and we can easily use the Internet to dissect donk attacks.
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1960
Just checking, you sound very suspicious with those fancifull words.
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1961
MWS: Funny joke on the pidgeon.
Donk friends: I proved in URLs how Gore tried to kill the Pensacola vote, the Hillsborough County, Seminole and Martin Counties and then tried to recount the four donk controlled counties that had voting problems. I proved through URLs the problems Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, and Hillsborough Counties had with polling stations and they controlled the machine. I proved through family recollections from newspapaer articles how Gore and his lawyer gang (why do donk kill tort reform each time it comes up in Congress?) hated the military. When it broke 58/42 vs 70/30 they had to eat crow!
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1962
Heathen Sinner: I have an IVY League edumication like Goldy and “K”. I choose to write ebonics because, well, I am from the inner city. Philadelphia that is. Remember Goldy is from the lily white ‘burbs around Philly. I gave you my addresses of where I grew up!
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1963
Anyone know how George is doing, he is our current President, isn’t he?
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1964
If you had any education, you would know how to spell it, maybe you were writing with you big black dick.
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1965
Heathen Sinner: Either you are DUMB (maybe) or you don’t visit the Internet too often. Look up edumication. I use that word for a reason. See if you can figure it out.
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1966
Don’t want to waste my time. You go and look-up dip shit.
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1967
Last post on Heathen Sinner as he’s not worth my time.
Dip shit? Now you are showing cultural diversity? Are you equating brown skinned people with shit? More special name calling by the donk specialists. If you look at your post #155 you said I can’t spell education. Just proved that lie wrong. I told you why I use edumication. You are too dumb.
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1968
No, it’s just that you are too smart. Dip shit was not a reference to any color; merely reference to you. Pleasure speaking with you. Keep up the good work – name calling is so much fun.
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1969
Commentby skagit [WE RULE!!! We do as we wish, we rape, we kill, we cheat, and you dumb ass libs vote for us every election!!]
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 10/1/06@ 1:23 pm
You heard it here first from the rectal orifice of the GOP!
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1970
skagit, “We” would mean “us Kennedys”…….You know, from MASS?? Ted, Pat, JFK, Bobby?? Hello??????
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1971
Now, now boys…..How old are we?
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1972
Boy, things got quite. Hope it wasn’t me – I didn’t mean to stop the conversation, I was just hoping more meaningfull discussions would ensue.
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1973
Hey Mooooooooslim terrorists!! JDB is selling ceramic bobblehead doll of the Prophet Muhammed on EBay! Now, some might consider this to be “disrespectful” of Islam, so you ragheads might consider doing a site check on JDB, and giving him a Mooooooooooooslim “visit”!!! If you do behead JDB, could I buy the “YouTube” video for resale? Best regards, and “BUSH NO GOOD!” JCH
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1974
If you had any education, you would know how to spell it, maybe you were writing with you big black dick.
Commentby Heathen Sinner [??????? Heathen Sinner: JDB?]
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1975
I know moonbats don’t have much compassion (witnes libruls on horsesass) but a friend of mind has a nephew going in for brain surgery tomorrow. Pray for his safety adn the doctors’ steady hands.
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1976
I know moonbats don’t have much compassion (witnes libruls on horsesass) but a friend of mind has a nephew going in for brain surgery tomorrow. Pray for his safety adn the doctors’ steady hands.
You’re a sick twist, but I’ll hope for the best because I’m better than you.
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1977
I have all the compassion in the world for your friend’s nephew. My best wishes to him, your friend and their respective families. At times like these politics are pretty superfluous.
But I sure don’t have much in the tank for you WOS – you’ve done near zilch to earn it.
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1978
Hey PUDDYBUD!!!
I just remembered that I voted for another Republican!
Gerry Alexander, a Dan Evans Republican, a dying breed in this state.
He whupped ass on the BIAW’s man – the asshole Groen.
How sweet it is!!!
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1979
So Clueless: You lied on the voting form as said you were Republican?
WTF is that?
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1980
I am a sick twist Always The Jerk? I doubt you know what you write about.
Regarding you betting better than me. Isn’t that the standard leftist mantra? Isn’t that the reason you guys can’t be trusted with much in government?
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1981
[WE RULE!!! We do as we wish, we rape, we kill, we cheat, and you dumb ass libs vote for us every election!!]
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 10/1/06@ 1:23 pm
Yep, it amazes me that people keep voting for Republicans like us, JCH, especially when if they knew that we live for taking it up the ass, they would hate us. Glad to know you don’t have any of them Kool smoking Malt liquor drinking heathen near you my white brother. Hopefully no women either, we wouldn’t want anyone to get in the way of our pure love JCH. I will need to meet you some time, where do you hang out?
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1982
112 MWS
“I wrote Foley is innocent until proven guilty.”
I guess I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. You’re going to assume that Foley is innocent of sending the IM and e-mail communications that he has admitted sending and that he resigned his seat over, until we is proven guilty of having sent them? I kinda don’t get it. That he sent them is a given at this point.
He may or may not be guilty under the “Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006” (of which Foley was a co-sponsor), along with 18 U.S.C. 2251, which make discussion or solicitation of sexual acts between Foley and any “minor” under the age of 18 a criminal offense. I can wait.
The Republican leadership may or may not be found guilty of ethics violations for sitting on this for what looks like about a year. I can wait.
But this is a scandal that’s going to be covered. It has sex, it has coverups, and it has lots of documentary evidence. Unlike the Abramoff scandal, this one is going to get covered in People magazine and the National Enquirer.
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1983
Of course, Foley might NOT be a sexual predator at all. I’m sure he asked one young boy to measure his penis and tell him the measurement and told another how he’d LOVE to slip his shorts off of him as part of his….um….RESEARCH for sexual predator bills. Yeah, research, that’s it.
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1984
What did Coach Hastert and his buddies know and when did they know it?
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1985
I am a sick twist…?
Most assuredly.
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1986
You’re NOT my hero Always The Jerk.
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1987
Clueless: You went dark!
Did you say you are a Republican to vote for Alexander? If so you are exhibiting the traits of a pathological liar. So pathological liar, why should I EVER BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU BLOG AGAIN.
You should just fold your tent and scram!
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1988
You lied on the voting form as said you were Republican?
Gee Puddybud did you just have a brain fart or something? The judicial race was non-partisan but it’s well-know Alexander is a Republican.
What are you going to tell me next that Groen is a lefty? How could that be? You voted for him!
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
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1989
For Thoroughly Clueless: You missed his point (Clueless maybe)! You had to choose party afflilation on this primary ballot. So you chose to be a Republican and lie about yourself? You really are a cross-dresser after all? I wonder if Mrs Clueless knows this? You mentioned earlier this year you have two children? I think it’s a legitimate question how you managed to vote conservative being a donk. Is schizophrenia a family disease?
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1990
Here is why Kerry can’t be president.
“The major issue in the Swiftboat stories is, and always has been, what John Kerry did in 1971 after he returned from Vietnam.
Kerry cast a long dark shadow over all Vietnam Veterans with his outright perjury before the Senate concerning atrocities in Vietnam. His stories to the Senate committee were absolute lies..fabrications..perjury..fantasies, with NO substance. That dark shadow has defamed the entire Vietnam War veteran population, and gave “Aid and Comfort” to our enemies..the Vietnamese Communists. Kerry’s stories were outright fabrications, and were intended for political gain with the radical left..McGovern, Teddy and Bobby Kennedy followers, Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and the radical left who fantasized that George McGovern was going to be elected in 1972. Little wonder that returning soldiers from Vietnam were spit upon and castigated as “baby killers”. A returned war hero said so.
Kerry cut a dashing figure as a war hero, lots of medals, and returned home because of multiple war wounds..even a silver star. His Senate testimony confirmed what every hippie had been chanting on the streets..”Hey hey LBJ..How many kids did you kill today”????? He obviously was running for political office in 1971.
Until Lt. John O’ Neil, himself a Swiftboat commander, spoke out before the 1972 elections against Kerry’s outright deceptions, there was no one from the Swiftboat scene that could contradict Kerry’s self serving lies.
I was a POW of the Vietnamese in Hanoi in 1971, and I am aware that the testimony of John Kerry, the actions of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden, and the radical left; all caused the commies to conclude that if they hung on..they would win. North Vietnamese General Bui Tin commented that every day the Communist leadership listened to world news over the radio to follow the growth of the anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark gave them confidence to hold in the face of battlefield reverses. The guts of it was that propaganda from the anti-war group was part of their combat strategy.
While the Commies were hanging on, innumerable U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Air Force members were being killed in combat. Every battle wound to Americans after Kerry’s misdirected testimony is related to Kerry’s untruthfulness. John Kerry contributed to every one of these deaths with his lies about U.S. atrocities in Vietnam. He likewise defamed the U.S. with our allies and supporters. His conduct also extended the imprisonment of the Vietnam Prisoners of War, of which I was one. I am certain of at least one POW death after his testimony, which might have been prevented with an earlier release of the
POWs.My friend and Hanoi Hilton room mate Senator John S. McCain denounced the Swiftboat video by John O’Neil. I have a different take on the Swiftboat tape and disagree with my good friend John.
John Kerry opened up his character as a war hero reporting for duty to the country with a hand salute…and his band of brothers..of which he was the chief hero. Most of his convention speech was about John Kerry..Vietnam hero, and his band of brothers. John Kerry’s character is not only fair game, it is the primary issue. He wants to use Bill Clinton’s “is”, as an answer to his lack of character.
The issue is trust. Can anyone trust John Kerry?? “Never lie, cheat or steal” is the West Point motto. When a witness perjures himself at trial, the judge notes that his testimony lacks credibility. Should we elect a known proven liar to lead us in wartime??
I draw a direct comparison of General Benedict Arnold of the Revolutionary War, to Lieutenant John Kerry. Both went off to war, fought, and then turned against their country. General Arnold crossed over to the British for money and position. John Kerry crossed over to the Vietnamese with his assistance to the anti-war movement, and his direct liaison with the Vietnamese diplomats in Paris. His reward. Political gain. Senator..United States. His record as a Senator for twenty years has been pitiful. Conjure up, if you will, one major bill that he has sponsored.
John Kerry for President? Ridiculous. Unthinkable. Unbelievable. Outrageous.”
Col. Geo. “Bud” Day, Medal of Honor, Vietnam POW 1967-1973,USMC- USA- USAF- Attorney 1949-2004 850-243-1234
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1991
Members have watched with envy as Mr. Murtha has used earmarks to remake Johnstown, Pa., an impoverished former steel town that now includes a Murtha highway, a Murtha airport and Murtha health centers. He has steered billions of dollars to his district over the years, including more than $80 million in the defense spending bill passed Friday, according to a preliminary tally.
Mr. Murtha’s patronage has transformed Johnstown into a national hub of the defense business, attracting giants like Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman. He even built one contractor from scratch. In 1988, Mr. Murtha asked the chancellor of the University of Pittsburgh to set up a nonprofit that could use Navy money to establish a Center for Excellence in Metalworking in Johnstown.Since then, Mr. Murtha has delivered earmarks to the organization, now called Concurrent Technologies Corporation, for work like consulting on counterterrorism, designing ejection seats for pilots and developing software. The military and other federal agencies have paid Concurrent nearly a billion dollars in grants and contracts since 1999. In the most recent defense bill, Mr. Murtha inserted $1.3 million for Concurrent to research Army tank designs.
“It is Murtha’s pet rock,” said Stephen Gage, chief executive of an Ohio economic development organization that once worked with Concurrent.
Concurrent’s executives, in turn, have given more than $114,000 to the congressman’s campaigns over the last three elections, making it one of his biggest corporate donors. The organization pays about $500,000 a year to a lobbying firm, the PMA Group, whose executives and clients have given Mr. Murtha more than $1.2 million in donations since 1999.
Can you say return unto the hand that feedeth thee?
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1992
HERE, is a great web site. Pennsylvanians should stand up and notice.
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1993
Post #182 was a NY Times smippet. Goldie’s web system was “too busy to post” and I moved on so I lost the link. Awwwww too bad moonbats.
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1994
You’re NOT my hero
And to think, the only thing keeping me going all this time was my belief to the contrary. Oh, the humanity!
You missed his point (Clueless maybe)! You had to choose party afflilation on this primary ballot.
You are affilicted with an advanced case of the stupids. Seek help.
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1995
You had to choose party afflilation on this primary ballot.
WOS – the cloud of brain farts through which you conduct what is charitably called your life has gotten the better of you. Scratch that – there is NO BETTER TO BE GOT!
The ballot is divided in THREE sections. Democratic, Repulican and NON-PARTISAN.
Guess where the judges races were? Did you even freakin’ vote?
YOU ARE SO STTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPIIIIIIIIIID!
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1996
181 MWS
So it’s Col. Geo. “Bud” Day’s opinion the Kerry did not tell the truth? How convincing.
You know, Day was captured and tortured. I certainly don’t blame him for being angry at anti-war protesters. I can see that as one very plausible reaction to what he endured. But that doesn’t meant that he knows the details about what John Kerry said. And John Kerry was only one of hundreds of VVAW. It just happens that John Kerry was a born leader who led in Vietnam and rose to lead an antiwar organization after he realized the war’s folly.
In the absence of any factual claims by Bud Day, I don’t find his opinion to be particularly useful. Doesn’t add a lot to a discussion; just increases the noise.
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1997
You know, if Congressman Foley had chosen to be a Democrat, perhaps he could have come out with his homosexuality and someday have a mature adult homosexual relationship with some nice man. Instead he’s Republican, closeted, stunted, stuck in a perpetual adolesent fantasy world which then leads him to use his considerable power to prey on young teenage boys in secret and then what…drink himself insensible afterward in shame?
Healthy party you guys have there.
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1998
Fastow got sentenced to 6 years this week for the Enron mess. Not enough, but it’ll have to do. Bernie Ebbers started his 25-year term in Louisianna this week, also. Ebbers will probably (hopefully) die as a “guest” oif the Feds. It’s to bad Ken Lay died: he should have done a lot of time, too.
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1999
Bush isn’t incompetent – he’s incapable. You have to be capable doing something before you can be incompetent at doing it.
Worst Presidency Ever and the Rubberstamp Republican congress cheering them on.
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2000
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They Shot the Wrong Lincoln
It’s just like old times. Bill Clinton delivers an impassioned speech, and within 24 hours the Web is bristling with documentation, establishing that nearly every sentence was a lie.
The glassy-eyed Clinton cultists are insisting their idol’s on-air breakdown during a “Fox News Sunday” interview with Chris Wallace was a calculated performance, which is a bit like describing Hurricane Katrina as a “planned demolition.” Like an Osama tape, they claim he was sending a signal to Democrats to show them how to treat Republicans. Listen up, Democrats: Let’s energize the undecideds by throwing a hissy fit on national television!
The Clintonian plan for action apparently entails inventing lunatic conspiracy theories, telling lots of lies, shouting, sneering, interrupting, and telling your interlocutor, “(Y)ou’ve got that little smirk on your face and you think you’re so clever” — all for asking a simple question. To wit: “Why didn’t you do more to put bin Laden and al-Qaida out of business when you were president?” The only thing Clinton forgot to say to Wallace was, “You’d better put some ice on that.”
Let me be the first to welcome Chris Wallace to the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy! If the son of Mike Wallace is a member, can Chelsea be far behind?
According to Wallace, Clinton’s aide, Jay Carson, demanded that the interview be stopped a few minutes into Clinton’s tantrum — just before the part where he threw the lamp at Wallace. The last time Clinton got that red in the face, the encounter ended with a stained dress. Even Muslims thought Clinton overreacted. But the Clinton Kool-Aid drinkers tell us this was a masterfully planned set-piece by their leader.
I also think Jessica Savitch’s slurred, incoherent broadcast on “NBC Nightly News” in October 1983 was intentional. Others say it was drug-addled breakdown that ended her career, but obviously Savitch intended to speak in garbled gibberish on air as a brilliantly executed prelude to her death in a ditch weeks later.
And when Stephen Colbert did a routine at the White House Correspondents Dinner that bombed, I think he planned it that way.
Then there was Capt. Joseph Hazelwood’s meticulously planned off-loading of 11 million gallons of crude oil off the Exxon Valdez.
Clinton shouted so many lies during his televised meltdown, only the World Wide Web can capture them all. These are just a few.
Clinton yelled at Wallace: “What did I do? What did I do? I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since.”
This is so crazy it’s worthy of an Air America caller. Clinton has consistently misrepresented the presidential directive about political assassinations. Clinton did not order bin Laden assassinated. He did not even lift the ban on intelligence agencies attempting to assassinate bin Laden.
What he did was lift the ban on political assassinations — provided that assassinating bin Laden was not the purpose of the mission. So if U.S. forces were engaged in an operation to capture bin Laden, but accidentally killed him, they would not be court-martialed.
Clinton said, “All the right-wingers who now say I didn’t do enough said I did too much — same people.” As proof, he cites his humiliating withdrawal from Somalia, claiming, “They were all trying to get me to withdraw from Somalia in 1993 the next day after we were involved in ‘Black Hawk down,’ and I refused to do it.”
He added, as if it mattered, “There is not a living soul in the world who thought that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with ‘Black Hawk down.'”
In fact, what Republicans objected to was Clinton’s transforming a U.N. mission in Somalia to prevent mass starvation into a much grander “nation-building” exercise — something the Democrats now hysterically support in Darfur and oppose in Iraq.
Democrats long to see American mothers weeping for their sons lost in a foreign war, but only if the mission serves absolutely no national security objectives of the United States. If we are building a democracy in a country while also making America safer — such as in Iraq — Democrats oppose it with every fiber of their being.
When Clinton’s “nation-building” in Somalia led to the brutal killing of 18 Americans, some of whose corpses were then dragged through the streets, Clinton did what the Democrats are currently demanding we do in Iraq: He cut and ran.
Republicans didn’t like that either, and it had nothing to do with whether it was al-Qaida we were running from. It could have been Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, al-Dawa or the Viet Cong. We ran, and the terrorists noticed.
Osama bin Laden told “ABC News” in 1998 that America’s humiliating retreat from Somalia emboldened his jihadists: “The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat.”
If this is the message that Clinton is hoping to telegraph to the American people, I hope the voters are listening.
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2001
JCH
“Fair use” demands that you EXCERPT what you want to steal, attribute it and link to the rest.
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2002
Yeah, Republicans don’t like “nation-building,” all right. Notice their refusal to rebuild Iraq.
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2003
That ad is brilliant. Putting Cheney’s words in Reichert’s mouth is devastating.
You can run, Dave, but you can’t hide.
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2004
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean made a fundraising stop Tuesday a block north of the Capitol to show support for local Democrats running for office. “We want to be a moral beacon for the rest of the world again,” Dean said. “We are a great country. We just have bad leadership, and we can change that, and you can change that because remember: you have the power.” The fundraiser,… drew a crowd of about 100. [……………So, Leroy said to LeWanda, [2 or the 100 in the Afro crowd], “Hey, Don’t wes get a mother fucking credit card at this Democrat meetin?”]
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2005
Former President Jimmy Carter says the Bush administration made a “serious mistake” by invading Iraq and diverting attention away from the U-S mission in Afghanistan. Carter made the comment today at a campaign stop for his son Jack Carter. [………….Er, Jimma, Remember 1979/1980……….Iran………………Remember Desert One? “Gonzo Station”? CH 53s? SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
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2006
[Howard Dean Fires Up Austin Democrats]
“We are going to take back Texas”, even if we need to import another 10 million Mexican illegals to vote Democrat!!!!
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2007
john craig, go back to the only thing you are adept at, the Indo navy ship just docked!
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2008
In Hawaii they have a saying: the only difference between jch and a gay sex slave is ‘a 6 pack of Miller’
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2009
Good ad, but that part at the end with Reichert’s lips supposedly moving was super cheeseball and unnecessary. We get the point without lame CG like that.
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2010
JCH – Why don’t you start your own blog so your zero readers can read your posts there?
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2011
“When Clinton’s “nation-building” in Somalia led to the brutal killing of 18 Americans, some of whose corpses were then dragged through the streets, Clinton did what the Democrats are currently demanding we do in Iraq: He cut and ran.
A) President Clinton inherited that mess from Bush 41 who allowed the UN to dictate the use of US military forces.
B) Nearly 3,000 American have been brutally killed in Iraq and 20,000 wounded from a disastorous “Stay the course” to failure policy.
C) You’re a lying sack of shit.
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2012
another one gets busted
Human Resources Mgr for the neocon press flagship, the Washington Times, got busted for soliciting sex with a 13 year old girl (more @ huffcngtonpost). Another right wing ‘christian’ got caught with there pants down. (sorry jch, this wingnut liked girls) -
2013
I think we should blow-off Iraq. Once we’re out of there, the locals will settle their diffences among themselves.
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2014
Ronald R. Reagan – the Original Cut-N-Runner (Lebanon – 1983)
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2015
A National Guard unit assigned to Operation Jump Start observed a vehicle driven by DNC Chairman Howard Dean attempt to drive through the International Border fence near the San Ysidro Port of Entry.
Yesterday, at 8:30 a.m., the National Guard unit was patrolling the border area in a helicopter when the pilot and Border Patrol agent observer spotted a white-colored vehicle attempting to drive over a portion of the primary border fence. The fence had been cut away from its supports by a blowtorch. Once cut, the vehicle then rammed the fence and pushed it down. While attempting to use the downed fence as a ramp, the vehicle became stuck. Witnesses in Mexico reported upwards of twenty individuals lead by REP Nancy Pelosi holding Democrat voter registration forms exiting the vehicle and running back into Mexico.Units from the Tijuana Police Department arrived on scene and seized the blowtorch equipment that had been used to cut the fence. U.S. Customs and Border Protection Border Patrol agents arrived to take custody of the vehicle used in the failed attempt. Record checks were conducted on the vehicle’s plates and it was determined that the vehicle had been reported stolen. The vehicle was taken to the San Ysidro Port of Entry where searches by K-9 and non-intrusive devices were performed. These searches yielded negative results and the vehicle was turned over to the San Diego Police Department.
This incident serves as a stark reminder that smugglers of human cargo will go to great lengths utilizing any tool at their disposal to further their criminal enterprise with total disregard for human life.
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2016
re 3 “…bristling with documentation…” You crack me up.
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2017
re 3: Belief in the necessity of the “War on Terror” is only possible if one believes in the al Qaida “conspiracy”. Are you a CONSPIRACY THEORIST about the war on terror.
A yes or no answer will suffice.
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2018
This little goodie from a reader showed up in this mornings “Vent” in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
“The money spent on the light show displayed outside the Superdome Monday night could have been better spent on the Katrina recovery effort and the suffering Democrat poor.”
Where do these fools come from?
The money spent on the light show outside the Louisiana Superdome on Monday night went to the people who manufactured all of the components of the the lighting equipment, the people who manufactured the actual final product, the people who marketed the lighting equipment, the people who transported the lighting equipment, the people who set up the lighting equipment, an the people who operated the lighting equipment. These people have rent or house payments to pay, food to buy, cars to pay for and families to support; and they are able to do these things because there are consumers out there in the marketplace who purchase and use the products they manufacture and the services they offer.
Then we get some full-fledged liberal jerk come along and say that these people should be denied this income so that the money could be given to the poor, poor, pitiful suffering Democrat poor … some of whom were probably watching the whole spectacle on their 42 inch Sony HDTV sets looted during Katrina.
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2019
Headless Lucy……..Let’s kill the Mooooooooooslims before they kill any more Americans. It is that simple.
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2020
Great, comprehensive article in today’s Seattle Times about Maria!
Cantwell becomes a money machine
By Alex Fryer
Seattle Times staff reporter“Maria Cantwell promised to take the money out of politics when she announced her candidacy for the U.S. Senate six years ago.
A vice president for RealNetworks worth about $35 million, Cantwell vowed to spend more time with voters than with big-time donors, rejecting political-action-committee (PAC) contributions and the Potomac cocktail-party circuit.
Now seeking re-election, Cantwell retains her no-PAC pledge, but instead of remaining aloof from the hunt for campaign dollars, she has become one of the most prodigious fundraisers in the U.S. Senate.
RealNetworks stock tanked before the 2000 election, and she found herself in a precarious financial position from the day she arrived on Capitol Hill.
Embarking on an aggressive effort to fill her campaign coffers and repay bank loans, Cantwell has, so far, brought in $16.8 million — a sum that her staff proudly boasts puts her in league with New York’s Hillary Clinton.
From Bel Air to Martha’s Vineyard, Cantwell has attended receptions and dinners in her honor. She’s courted the Seattle music scene and flown by corporate jet to meet the people who write checks big and small.
Maria Cantwell’s top contributors
Total donations by company from owners, employees or their immediate families:
Microsoft: $108,900
Baron & Budd, a Dallas law firm: $60,500
Preston Gates & Ellis, a Seattle law firm: $55,611
Boeing: $37,100
University of Washington: $32,250
Source: Center for Responsive PoliticsIn just the past 18 months, Cantwell has attended 300 fundraisers, and her daily calendar almost always includes a pitch for cash.
It hasn’t been easy. Cantwell has weathered complaints to the Federal Elections Commission (FEC), a grueling travel schedule and criticism that special-interest money still finds a way into her campaign.
She declined to be interviewed for this story.
Funding the 2000 race
After losing her House seat in 1994, Cantwell, then 36, hooked up with RealNetworks, a Seattle Internet company founded by Rob Glaser, a longtime supporter of Democratic causes and candidates.
As vice president of marketing, she was awarded stock as part of her compensation — about 455,600 shares worth about $27 million as of December 1999, according to reports filed by RealNetworks with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
The day after she announced her candidacy Jan. 19, 2000, RealNetworks issued a news release stating that Cantwell would be taking a leave of absence. “We wish her the best in her new endeavors,” Glaser said.
But financial documents filed by RealNetworks indicate Cantwell didn’t begin her leave until April 1, 2000. On April 18, the company noted that Cantwell had 16,800 more options than she did in the beginning of 2000, the result of older stock grants vesting. She also owned 280,000 more shares outright.
Cantwell spent $10 million to unseat incumbent Sen. Slade Gorton, using $6.5 million of her own money plus bank loans with RealNetworks stock as collateral. Four months before the election, she also established a $600,000 line of credit with U.S. Bank secured by her personal home, which was valued at only $375,000.
The National Legal and Policy Center, a conservative watchdog group in Falls Church, Va., filed a complaint with the FEC in April 2001 contending that Cantwell violated election law by securing a loan worth more than the collateral, and that she had received preferential terms from U.S. Bank.
The FEC ruled neither complaint had merit, though it chastised the Cantwell campaign for failing to timely report financial information.
Money problems surface
Determining Cantwell’s net worth is difficult, but it’s safe to say she arrived in D.C. with big money problems. RealNetworks stock was worth about $10 a share — down from $78 a share the day she announced her candidacy — and she had $3.2 million in bank loans coming due.
Unlike other candidates who had established a network of supporters, Cantwell’s decision to self-finance meant she had no fundraising team, no fat Rolodex of donors. Her e-mail list had 2,000 addresses.
Between the debt and the lack of contributors, Cantwell was “in a double hole,” said her aide Michael Meehan.
In office just a few months, the freshman got a big lift from Clinton, who debuted her new Washington, D.C., home in a Cantwell fundraiser. And that was just the beginning.
Flight logs from BellSouth’s corporate jet provide a glimpse into her schedule.
Leaked to reporters, the logs show dozens of lawmakers were shuttled across the country by private plane. Cantwell took five fundraising trips to Atlanta, Boston, Nantucket Island, Charlottesville and Stanford, Fla., from 2002 to 2004.
Most of the travel was reimbursed — at the cost of first-class commercial airfare — by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), which raises money for Senate candidates.
According to flight manifests, a BellSouth lobbyist accompanied Cantwell on all the trips.
Meehan said Cantwell traveled by corporate jet on only a handful of occasions for DSCC functions. She once used a private plane to attend an event that raised money for her campaign, but Meehan doesn’t recall who owned the aircraft.
As for spending time with lobbyists during the flights, Meehan said: “Senators tend to sleep. There isn’t a lot of chit chat.”
Today, Cantwell has an e-mail list of 100,000 names.
No-PAC pledge
Beating Gorton by 2,229 votes in 2000 meant Cantwell was considered instantly vulnerable, and national Democratic leaders worried about her financial situation. Early on, Minority Leader Tom Daschle and others urged Cantwell to break her no-PAC pledge to raise more money, but she refused.
PACs, formed by corporations, labor unions and interest groups to make political contributions, are allowed to give federal candidates $5,000 for the primary and an another $5,000 for the general election. By contrast, individual donors are allowed to give only $2,100 per election.
While Cantwell has pledged not to accept PAC money, much of the same money finds a way to her campaign account.
Cantwell has refused checks from PACs created by politicians, but she has accepted $45,968 from other candidates’ personal campaign funds. For example, Sen. Patty Murray gave Cantwell $1,750, but Murray’s PAC, M-PAC, gave nothing.
According to Political MoneyLine, a nonpartisan database of campaign-finance reports, the United Association Political Education Committee, a PAC created by the plumbers and pipe-fitters union, gave Cantwell $10,000 this year. Other labor PACs gave an additional $10,500, the database shows.
Meehan said Political MoneyLine got it wrong: Cantwell routinely returns unsolicited checks, and sometimes they don’t get counted correctly by watchdog groups.
But Cantwell did change her mind about accepting money from the Democratic Party.
After Congress enacted campaign-finance rules in November 2002 that banned unlimited contributions to the DSCC and other groups affiliated with the parties, Cantwell began accepting their help. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent on her behalf by the state Democratic Party and DSCC. Both accept PAC money.
Last year, she created a joint fundraising committee with the DSCC called Washington Senate 2006. Proceeds are split exclusively between Cantwell and the effort to elect Democrats to the U.S. Senate.
Disclosure reports indicate the Tulalip Tribes of Washington wrote a $26,700 check to Washington Senate 2006. Other contributors include Jim Sinegal, president and CEO of Costco ($10,000), and software entrepreneur Paul Brainerd ($5,000). Both men are well-known supporters of Democratic candidates.
The vast majority of money raised by Cantwell — about 90 percent — comes from individuals, most of whom don’t live in Washington state.
Some of them are registered federal lobbyists; others work for the same special-interest PACs that Cantwell disavows.
When asked about his contribution, Ladd Gibke of Plano, Texas, who gave Cantwell $1,000, took a few seconds to place her name.
“Maria Cantwell is running for U.S. Senate, right?” he asked when contacted earlier this month.
An attorney, Gibke formerly worked for Baron & Budd, a Dallas law firm that donates heavily to Democrats. The Center for Responsive Politics lists employees of Baron & Budd as Cantwell’s second biggest contributors, followed only by Microsoft employees.
Baron & Budd specializes in cases involving injuries caused by exposure to asbestos, benzene and other environmental hazards.
The firm’s senior partners are ardent Democrats, Gibke said. And that explains why he’s a financial supporter of Cantwell, whom he can’t recall meeting and, besides her party affiliation, he knows almost nothing about.
“It wasn’t that much to give to help Fred [Baron] and to help what everybody there believed in,” Gibke said. “When the senior partner asks you to help, unfortunately the checkbook comes out.”
Alex Fryer: 206-464-8124 or afryer@seattletimes.com”
Maria is certainly the LAST person to be critical of Mike McGavick. This is the most accurate, comprehensive look at Cantwell by the MSM to date. In addition, it was noted that only 42% of Cantwell’s donations came from Washington State. 42%!!!!
Whereas McGavick received 74%.
Cantwell received more dollars from OUT-OF-STATE than McGavick received in his whole campaign!
OUCH!! No wonder Cantwell refused to comment on this Seattle Times article.
Look for McGavick to tighten up in the polls significantly after this expose. -
2021
Ann Coulter 35 Democrats 0
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2022
re 8: Remember arms for hostages and the 200+ Marines killed in Beirut from which Reagan Cut and Ran. Remember Reagan proclaiming on international TV that he personally freed the Jews from Auswitz. Remember the mixture of pity and horror in the faces of the other officials as they realized that the President of the US was a demented old Alzheimer’s victim?
Remember that the 54 hostages were freed in Carter’s Administration — not the GREAT FORGETTOR’S? And if an arms for hostages deal was cut by Reaganites before Reagan took office (which it had to have been), or even before the election, were’nt these men illegally undercutting the elected President?
He should have slammed Wallace with a haymaker!!!
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2023
Can’t answer , JCH, can you?
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2024
Anyone who thinks Former Insurance Company CEO, Golden Parachutists, Drunk Driver, and George W. Bush Rubberstamp Wannabe is going to beat Cantwell in 2006 is smoking the good stuff.
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2025
LEfout
Mike! doesn’t get lots of out-of-state contributions because…wait for it…he’s not a US Senator with the potential to affect nationwide issues (and he’s not gonna be). Do you think if, say, he wins the election that he’ll turn down donations that would result in 75% of his money from coming out of state? Of course not!
Maria pledged not accept funds from PaCs and she kept her promise. Compare that to, say, George Nethercutt and other Republicans reneging on their term-limits pledges. Who’s the righteous onethe person who kept a promise or the person who broke theirs?
And how weird is it that Microsoft and the UW would donate to a tech-savvy Senator who supports their issues? Or the Tulalip Tribes. Democrats traditionally come down in the right side of native American issues, which is why the GOP sent out Jack Abramoff to lie his way into funneling some of their money to Republicans.
It seems you want us to think this is about corruption, when that article does not present ANYTHING that even hints at corrpution. Maria Cantwell has donors? Heavens, I think I may faint! As for this affectign the polls: an article on corruptoin totally would; this is an article that tells us that Senators get campaign contributions. Yawn.
If you think money in any form from any source corrupts, then what will Mike! do for the $28 extra million Safewco gifted him? Ask youself that.
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2026
Leftout
BTW, as I told JCH, “fair use” is not pasting entire articles into public fora, it demands that you EXCERPT what you want to steal, attribute it and link to the rest.
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“Remember 1979/1980……….Iran………………Remember Desert One? ”
Yeah, I think I remember! Wasn’t that where we suffered 2700 dead Americans and 20,000 wounded, spent over $300 billion, ended up supporting a regime that torures more that the one we overthrew, and is creating a new generation of anti-American jihadists around the world?
Oh, no, I guess that’s Iraq.
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Re No. 8,
Was in London Sunday listening to BBC interview possible Blair replacement Gordon Brown. The interviewer was sounding out Brown with re whether he supported Blair’s continuing the UK US alliance with re the WOT. The interviewer was taken aback when Brown started supporting Blair’s positions and saying how the U.S and Britain were in this together, etc etc. The interviewer became increasingly disturbed and was commenting how Jimmah was saying something about how the U.S. would be better off leaving terrorists alone and not bother them. Brown started laughing at Carter’s statements and positions, saying that’s U.S. domestic politics.
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Wow, open thread where I can say anything I want. Hmmmmmmm, la de daa, what to say, what to say….
I know, I know, I know….
proudofherfatlyingcheatingthreateningass, Go fuck yourself!!!
I am so proud of myself, I put this in the right thread.
G’day!
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Commentby Leftout(of their minds!)— 9/28/06@ 1:08 pm
(I love it when the trolls post the same drivel in several threads. It makes it so easy to answer.)
Just a bit of information for our Republican friend:
Maria Cantwell’s top contributors
Total donations by company from owners, employees or their immediate families:
Microsoft: $108,900
Baron & Budd, a Dallas law firm: $60,500
Preston Gates & Ellis, a Seattle law firm: $55,611
Boeing: $37,100
University of Washington: $32,250
Source: Center for Responsive PoliticsWhenever I make a political contribution, I am asked to list my employer. Why would it seem so odd that a lot of Microsoft employees support Ms. Cantwell?
If you just glance at the list, it is implied that the University of Washington has contributed to her campaign. (I’m sure that the folks over at SP will have fun with that one, but most of them have no use for education anyway.) In reality, a lot of UW employees support Ms. Cantwell.
Boeing employees support her. Good for them. So do some law firms. It’s their right to give the maximum amount allowed by law. No ethical problems with that, and nobody is claiming that these contributions are improper in any way.
Now, Safeco giving an unearned “bonus” to their preferred candidate is a different matter. There are laws that prevent major companies from taking corporate money and giving it to candidates. We may not have heard the last of this one.
Will he be giving the money back when he loses? Personally, I hope not. I wish him all the best in his retirement, and if the stockholders of Safeco have any objections, they should take it up with the board of directors that authorized the payment.
But for Mike!, I would suggest that Grand Cayman Island is a wonderful place. Enjoy your retirement, but be generous. Give Mr. Reichert a couple of million to join you there.
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re 22: You’re conflating being a Muslim with being a terrorist. That’s a false comparison. Many people, like yourself, feel that there is something drastically wrong with the way the world’s power structure works, but, like you, lack the mental equipment to arrive at any real solutions to the problems we face.
Next thing you know you’ll be comparing being a German with being a Nazi.
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The Marshall Plan worked a lot better than punishing the Axis Powers after WWI did.
With the BIG PERSPECTIVE that I know that you view history with, what kind of a conclusion would you draw from that regarding Muslim Extremism? Right now we are heedlessly and ineffectively dealing with it– unless you’re a war profiteer — as each and every member of this illegal banana Republican junta that runs this country is.
Hey! Great business Idea! A BANANA REPUBLICAN LINE OF CLOTHING STORES!
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EXTRA! Reichert votes FOR torture bill! Wants to end contitutional protection of habeas corpus! President given power to violate Geneva Conventions! Read all about it!
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“interviewer became increasingly disturbed and was commenting how Jimmah was saying something about how the U.S. would be better off leaving terrorists alone and not bother them.”
Yeah, I’m sure that’s exactly what Jimmy Carter said. Dick.
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jch Why not post your drivel on uSP? Are you afraid even your fellow wingnuts won’t tolerate your acidic-sweat type paranoid insanity?
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How long has Comcast been your ISP? -Have a nice day! Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 10:59 pm
proudofherlyingcheatingthreateningass How much more would like to know? Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 11:02 pm
proudofherfatlyingthreateningass: You really are not a good judge of who to pick a tussle with. Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 11:05 pm
threat: a direct or implied expression of intent to inflict physical harm and/or actions that a reasonable person would perceive as a threat to physical safery or property.
A threat can be an unwanted (deliberate or accidental) expression of intent to execute action that may result in harm to an asset. The threat can have a form of an explicit or implicit message. The message may be vague and implicit in an attempt to avoid blame, including legal consequences, while still clear enough to serve its purpose.
If my house gets egged, my car gets keyed, my kid gets bullied, I get hang-up phone calls or even a hangnail the information I WILL give to my local police department in my report will be HORSESASS.ORG, Carl Grossman.
Count on it, sweetcheeks
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@ 39:
Sounds like Bill O’Reilly and the Fox News cops are going to be at Carl’s door at any moment.
Eeeeewwwwwwwww, we’re all shaking in our boots. NOT!
HowcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS, today’s Worst Person In The World!
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Why didn’t President Bush go after bin Laden and al Qeada threat when he had confirmation that they were behind the USS Cole bombing?
Why did he do NOTHING?!?!
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I’m wrong, Bush actually did take actin regarding the threat of al Qeada. I guess I should have read that article a little more closely.
Bush wrote two, not one, but TWO letters to the President of Pakistan before 9/11.
Looks like ol’ Slick Willy lied to us again when he said “they did not try.”
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Enjoy your chuckle, GBS. You may think it’s a just all a grand joke, but I most certainly do not. After speaking with MY legal authority, I can assure you that I will indeed implicate, Mr Grossman AND David Goldstein should anything at all UNTOWARD happen to my family, my property or me.
A veiled threat, an implied threat and a perceived threat are all still very much THREATS.
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re 39: Threatening to call the cops on someone because your lamebrain PERCEIVED a threat is , in and of itself, threatening. If you give a false Police report you are in BIG TROUBLE. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com
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threat: a direct or implied expression of intent to inflict physical harm and/or actions that a reasonable person would perceive as a threat to physical safery or property.
A threat can be an unwanted (deliberate or accidental) expression of intent to execute action that may result in harm to an asset. The threat can have a form of an explicit or implicit message. The message may be vague and implicit in an attempt to avoid blame, including legal consequences, while still clear enough to serve its purpose.
Well proudofherfatlyingthreateningass lets examine that, with the help of my Harvard educated wife.(snicker)
There is nothing in my post that would imply intent to harm anything. There is nothing a REASONABLE person would perceive to be such a threat. (You have proven yourself through your writing, and I am sure in your personal life, to be anything but reasonable. (How is that Catholic upbringing of yours (you know, the “I am am well known as a Catholic” rant of a few days ago)able to reconcile your evilness here at HA? Catholic Church: Largest organization in the world dedicated to the proliferation of child sexual abuse. In addition, it is the worlds largest cult. What is with all the smoke, candles, funny hats and dress wearing priests?
My post asked a question, nothing more. My post also pointed out, correctly so…I might add, that I am smarter, faster and much better at knowing who I am engaging in banter. You underestimated not only my intelligence, but my ability to gather information. I would surmise from your post above that you have issues with your neighbor children and their pranks. Why am I not surprised?
Egg throwing, keying cars, your kids being bullied (not a surprise considering how you act around here) or hang-up calls? The only things you left out are soaping your windows, covering your house in toilet paper and salting the lawn. You must be insane to think I would participate in any of these childish activities. You seem to labor under the assumption that you matter to me. Nothing, and I mean nothing, could be farther from the truth. Are you so starved for attention? As for your hangnail (really, you think this sounds intelligent to blame me for a hangnail, it is neither good parody or a good simily) make good use of it, scratch your ass with it.
As for threats here is one for you:
If my house gets egged, my car gets keyed, my kid gets bullied, I get hang-up phone calls or even a hangnail the information I WILL give to my local police department in my report will be HORSESASS.ORG, Carl Grossman.
Recognize that? You have now threatened me with police action. You have threatened to “out” my wife, our address and other personal information. You have threatened, actually attempted, to make me into a child abuser. I have made copies of every post where you have made even the slightest threat towards me and my family. Might be in your own best interest to shut up.
I also responded to your immediate threat by finding out as much about you as I could. It is in my best interest, as I told you it would be for you too, to know who you are in a tussle with.
Tussle according to dictionary.com is defined as: any vigorous or determined struggle, conflict, etc.: I had quite a tussle with that chemistry exam.
You are in engaged in a struggle to one up me. My politics create a conflict for you. You are frustrated because you keep coming up short. You don’t have the wherewithal to get the best of me here at HA. This results in your lashing out, and feeling of total inadequacy on your part.
I would suggest that you drop this silliness. It does nothing positive for you. You don’t like my language, to which I say, tough shitski….. I have a right to free speech. I don’t object to piglet, pricklet, little man or any of the other names you have used to describe me or my wife. I don’t object because they are not true. I would think then, that you are disturbed by the adjectives I choose to describe you….simply because they are true. You are a prime example of the old adage is very loudly ringing true in your ears as you read this…the truth hurts!
You are again playing with cards that you simply do not hold. You are bluffing. Your bluff is called, and you must fold.
Sucks to be you right, doesn’t it.
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Bush isn’t incompetent – he’s incapable. You have to be capable doing something before you can be incompetent at doing it.
Worst Presidency Ever and the Rubberstamp Republican congress cheering them on. Commentby Robert— 9/28/06@ 9:13 amAs I remember he beat the “C+” average guy… John Kerry!
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Sorry for the missing words, I was typing quickly and, well, hey, left out a word or three. Feel free to fill in the blanks.
Again, proudofherfatlyingthreateningass, it really sucks to be you right now, doesn’t it?
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Am I the only one who believes proudofherfatlyingthreateningass to be a female?
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Oooooops–
I apologize for posting that entire Seattle Times article about smarmy Maria Cantwell and her finances. My cut-and-paste skills sucked.
Here is the link you all requested:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ney28.html
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Remember that the 54 hostages were freed in Carter’s Administration – not the GREAT FORGETTOR’S? And if an arms for hostages deal was cut by Reaganites before Reagan took office (which it had to have been), or even before the election, were’nt these men illegally undercutting the elected President?
He should have slammed Wallace with a haymaker!!! Commentby headless lucy— 9/28/06@ 1:15 pmRevisionism 101. They were let out after 12:00 Noon 1/1/81 when Reagan was Prez.
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Christian Right = American Fascists, the single greatest threat to our freedom.
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Today is the 1244th day since the declaration of “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq.
So, the troops aren’t home because? And there are soldiers dying there every day, how is this “Mission Accomplished”?
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52…..Carl, agreed. Withdraw the troops, nuke Iran, take their oil, and if any Moooooslims bitch, let them know they will be next.
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jch Why not post your drivel on uSP? Are you afraid even your fellow wingnuts won’t tolerate your acidic-sweat type paranoid insanity?
Commentby headless lucy []……….Nope, I’m happy here.]
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Time for all Moooooooslims in the USA to return to Moooooslimland. Same with 20 million Mexican illegals. So fucking sorry, Democrats. You’ll lose 25% of your votes.
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Listen to B.J. or Hitlery, or watch Keith Olberman or Begala or any other of the Clintoon syncophants, and you continue to see WHY nothing was done about Islamic terrorism during the Clinton administration. They STILL claim the biggest danger to America is “right-wing extremists”, low taxes, capitalism, and the Religious Right. All the leftist group have catchy names like Soros’ “Take Back America,” like American ideals were built on welfare state socialism, and Christianity is highjacking the country.
Historical revisionism at its highest.
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If you put a jihadist and any other Muslim next to each other they look the same. Can’t you see where your train of thought is leading you, SMEGMAC?
Commentby headless lucy […Time to thin the moooooooooooslim herd. One country at a time, starting with Iran. Payback for 1979. One Trident will teach the Moooooooooooslims not to fuck with the USA.]
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WASHINGTON – The Congressional Black Caucus urged the Bush administration Thursday to push China and moderate Arab nations to pressure Sudan into admitting a U.N. peacekeeping force to help end the violence and humanitarian crisis in its Darfur region. The caucus made the suggestion to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during a closed-door meeting on Capitol Hill. It came a day after Rice warned in a speech that Sudan faces “a choice between cooperation and confrontation” if it doesn’t allow U.N. forces in. […………Blacks are killing blacks in the Sudan……….This must be Reagan’s fault!! Or Newt’s? Or Bush’s fault!!! Maybe it’s MY FAULT!!!! Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
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If only I paid more taxes, the blacks in the Sudan would not kill other blacks in the Sudan. I FEEL SOOOOOOO GUILTY!!!!!!!
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My left foot,
The Mission Accomplished sign was on a aircraft carrier whose mission was completed and they were heading home. If I remember correctly they are based here in this state. If I was there and my unit was coming home, I’d have a damn mission accomplished sign too!
Pretty common stuff in the military…………..
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The “Religion of Peace” strikes again….
Writer of ‘anti-Islam’ article gets death threats
SAINT-ORENS-DE-GAMEVILLE, France, Sept 28, 2006 (AFP) — A French philosophy teacher was under police protection Thursday after receiving death threats over an article he wrote in a national newspaper that accused Islam of “exalting violence”, school and police officials said.
Robert Redeker has not attended classes at his secondary school near Toulouse in southern France since September 19, when his opinion column appeared in the right-wing daily Le Figaro.
“He received written death threats in the form of emails. On the face of it they were pretty serious,” said the lycée’s headmaster Pierre Donnadieu.
Police confirmed the threat but refused to comment on the protection Redeker is receiving.
Under the heading “In the face of Islamist intimidation, what must the free world do?”, Redeker described the Koran as a “book of extraordinary violence” and Islam as “a religion which … exalts violence and hate”.
Likening Islam to Communism, he said that “violence and intimidation are the methods used by an expansionist ideology … to impose its leaden cloak on the world”.
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Egg throwing, keying cars, your kids being bullied (not a surprise considering how you act around here) or hang-up calls? The only things you left out are soaping your windows, covering your house in toilet paper and salting the lawn. You must be insane to think I would participate in any of these childish activities.-Commentby My Left Foot— 9/28/06@ 5:21 pm
You misunderstood carl… I don’t particularly so think you would participate in those things.
However, by your remarks and your vicious attitude I DO feel threatened for the safey and security of my children, my home and my family. It matters not whether you participate, because in the event of any of those, I will make a police report and when they ask me if I know of anyone who MIGHT perpetrate a hateful action, I will indeed give them your name and goldsteins name… because of course, the source of my PERCEIVED threat is permalinked at here his little blog.
And if they don’t ask, I’ll volunteer the information.Am I the only one who believes proudofherfatlyingthreateningass to be a female? -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/28/06@ 5:33 pm
You don’t know if I’m a paraplegic old man, a vital young woman, a homebound teen bitter from being held back by cancer, a group of college kids with nothing better to do, a middle aged mom, a recently retired executive, an angry gay man or a widowed grandma.
You don’t have a clue whether I’m tall or diminuative, fat, lean, bloated from anti-chemo drugs, malnurished from AIDS, musclebound from weights, blonde brunette or a redhead.You do however like to imagine and spew the vile and most vicious because it pumps up your flagging manhood. I suppose if I had a “lovely” wife toddling off to a city of virulent men everyday leaving me with the goats I might be tempted to lash out at strangers too. Next time try the little blue pill instead… and thanks for choosing Viagra, it helps the upward direction of my Pfizer stock.
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damn.
Egg throwing, keying cars, your kids being bullied (not a surprise considering how you act around here) or hang-up calls? The only things you left out are soaping your windows, covering your house in toilet paper and salting the lawn. You must be insane to think I would participate in any of these childish activities.-Commentby My Left Foot— 9/28/06@ 5:21 pm
You misunderstood carl… I don’t particularly so think you would participate in those things.
However, by your remarks and your vicious attitude I DO feel threatened for the safey and security of my children, my home and my family. It matters not whether you participate, because in the event of any of those, I will make a police report and when they ask me if I know of anyone who MIGHT perpetrate a hateful action, I will indeed give them your name and goldsteins name… because of course, the source of my PERCEIVED threat is permalinked at here his little blog.
And if they don’t ask, I’ll volunteer the information.Am I the only one who believes proudofherfatlyingthreateningass to be a female? -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/28/06@ 5:33 pm
You don’t know if I’m a paraplegic old man, a vital young woman, a homebound teen bitter from being held back by cancer, a group of college kids with nothing better to do, a middle aged mom, a recently retired executive, an angry gay man or a widowed grandma.
You don’t have a clue whether I’m tall or diminuative, fat, lean, bloated from anti-chemo drugs, malnurished from AIDS, musclebound from weights, blonde brunette or a redhead.You do however like to imagine and spew the vile and most vicious because it pumps up your flagging manhood. I suppose if I had a “lovely” wife toddling off to a city of virulent men everyday leaving me with the goats I might be tempted to lash out at strangers too. Next time try the little blue pill instead… and thanks for choosing Viagra, it helps the upward direction of my Pfizer stock.
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sgmmac,
The “Mission Accomplished” sign was created by the White House. The Navy may have physically put it up – but it was purely at the direction of the White House advance staff. The White House (and the President) LIED about it for months, only to finally admit the lie much later when people like you won’t ever know the difference.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....4998.shtml
“For months, the Bush administration denied that it was responsible for the banner, blaming the aircraft carrier crew itself. Since then, White House officials have acknowledged it was their idea.
“We put it up. We made the sign,” Fleischer said. “But I think it accurately summed up where we were at the time, mission accomplished… the mission was to topple Saddam Hussein. “
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You don’t know if I’m a paraplegic old man, a vital young woman, a homebound teen bitter from being held back by cancer, a group of college kids with nothing better to do, a middle aged mom, a recently retired executive, an angry gay man or a widowed grandma.
You don’t have a clue whether I’m tall or diminuative, fat, lean, bloated from anti-chemo drugs, malnurished from AIDS, musclebound from weights, blonde brunette or a redhead.You do however like to imagine and spew the vile and most vicious because it pumps up your flagging manhood. I suppose if I had a “lovely” wife toddling off to a city of virulent men everyday leaving me with the goats I might be tempted to lash out at strangers too. Next time try the little blue pill instead… and thanks for choosing Viagra, it helps the upward direction of my Pfizer stock.
Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS [ ……..Er, He’s home every day with Teresa’s llamas…….. Not goats……….. [Carl, do you have goats, too?] I did get your point.]
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What a great ad. I didn’t like the lips thing either. I wish Reichert would explain how he votes against the good of the American People at every turn, and for the super rich, and large corporations.
Reichert = Bush Rubber Stamp
Where am I wrong?
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Well, missproudtobealyingthreateningneedstobetakendownapegass:
For starters, no goats. Llamas. I can see how you are so easily confused, what with your A.D.D. combined with your inability to comprehend what you read.
Missy, you enjoy your pretend kids, your pretend family and your pretend fantasy of calling the police when “anything untoward” happens.
As for me, I am going to print out this posting, where you admit that I would not be involved in childish pranks. Where you admit that you will call the police and voluteer my name for no other reason than to harass me, and now, others too.
There is a file here at the house. If you should actually follow through on your insane claims and threats, I promise you this: Teresa and I will take every avenue available to us to insure that our rights and our good name are protected. You are not engaging in anything that frightens us.
For the record, you are a woman. Your word choice and sentence structure scream it. The confusion you feel at being out of control is also quite evident. The continued personal attacks on Teresa indicate an extremely low level of self esteem and self worth. You are attempting to degrade her, I believe, in order that you might feel a bit more equal to her (like that is ever going to happen). I am also fairly certain that you are single, most likely divorced, bitterly.
You have a nice evening. Tuck those pretend kids in and pop open another bottle of MD 20/20, kick back and watch another episode of Gilligan’s Island.
By the way, it occurs to us (taking, what is in our opinion, your apparent mental and emotional instability into consideration) that you may attempt to “fake” something “untoward”. You might want to check with your legal representation, that might be a criminal offense.
You can’t play with cards you don’t have. When will you learn.
Have a good evening.
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Carl’s animal inventory for JCH:
Two Llamas, Bonnie and Clyde
Two golden retrievers, Elvis Pupsley and Buddy Holly
One pot belly pig, Clarence Darrow
One African Grey parrot, JailBird. He talks and barks at the dogs. Drives them nuts. Will tell Elvis, BALL BALL, Elvis gets the ball then barks at the bird who then barks back. Very comical.
Two cats: Thief and Ripper. You can guess why.
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“Yes officer I absolutely felt threatened by this person, CARL GROSSMAN on the internet. With the vile and vicious words he spewed I have to seriously consider him a threat and the possibility that he did this vile act or incited others to do it on his behalf.”
You have a nice evening. Tuck those pretend kids in and pop open another bottle of MD 20/20, kick back and watch another episode of Gilligan’s Island.
SPEAK A BIT LOUDER, MR POT…The confusion you feel at being out of control is also quite evident. The continued personal attacks indicate an extremely low level of self esteem and self worth. You are attempting to degrade, I believe, in order that you might feel a bit more equal. I am also fairly certain that you are single, most likely divorced, bitterly.
Sorry to disillusion your fantasy sweetcheeks, still in FIRST and ONLY marriage, closing in on 28 years, with children fortunate enough to have an INTACT family and parents that love each other.
You’re batting ZERO, sweetcheeks.
Which bring us back to you… it would be fascinating to hear from the first Mrs grossman and/or the mommas of the california kiddies and the one in the “military”. I guess the questions that beg to be asked are, is good old teresa you’re desperation sloppy seconds to the one that dumped you or are you the baseball pick-up she settled for to quiet those hardening ovaries of her desperation?
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Two Llamas
Two golden retrievers
One pot belly pig
One African Grey parrot
Two catsdoes the zoo sufficiently quiet the hardening ovaries or are they just to keep you busy while she toddles off to the city everyday?
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68…….It seems you are doing OK for a commie lib. And a very impressive first mate. Many instead of salt water you may get a Heineken.
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And for the record carl, protecting your ‘good name’ would be akin to protecting the virginity of a whore.
You voluntarily attached your “good name” to the filth you post…
…the very same filth that’s consciously typed with the fingertips that supposedly makes teresa melt.
… the very same filth that comes from the mind and heart that claims to cherish her.The dicotomy is staggering. That she would (and has) made excuses for it is mind-boggling.
You do remember, don’t you teresa dear, when you excused his vile mouth and mind by claiming it’s his ‘entertainment’?
Relativism at its finest…
pretty damned hard to claim the high ground from that position.
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You sleep well too, sweetcheeks.
Pray to whomever you believe in that no windows get broken, the alarm doesn’t go off, the kids don’t have a nightmare from things that go bump on the night…
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73:
You just don’t give up. The other day I mentioned in a post about your Catholic upbringing and I was not kind. Well, I apologize. I was way too kind:
DELRAY BEACH, Fla. – Two Roman Catholic priests stole millions in offerings and gifts made to their parish over several years, authorities said Thursday.
Monsignor John Skehan, who was pastor at St. Vincent Ferrer Catholic Church for four decades, was arrested Wednesday night on charges that he stole $8.6 million from the church, using the money to buy property and other assets, investigators said.
The 79-year-old priest was arrested at Palm Beach International Airport as he returned from Ireland and was being held on $400,000 bond on grand theft charges.
Good for you. Now you have come up with a pretend marriage. I hope you are disturbed every hour tonight by things that go bump.Whatever the fuck that means.
Again, you choose to attack the wife. Again I tell you that it is your inadequacy that compels you to do so. I feel sorry you and your sorry little life.
When the police come for the report, be sure to spell my name properly. Oh, and give them all that “information” you have on us, they can probably use a good laugh. (snicker)
You know, the best way to protect your “pretend” kids might be to never leave them alone with your parrish Priest.(double snicker)
Thank you for reaffirming your threats. I appreciate it. Teresa appreciates it.
sweet dreams, baby cakes. Sleep well. (snicker)
By the way, I don’t pray. I take responsibility for my life. I don’t depend on an entity that no one has ever seen, that no one has ever spoken to. I alone control my destiny. If you wish to pray to a God, that is your right. I even think “In God We Trust” belongs on the money and “God” belongs in the pledge. But I don’t believe that your belief in God makes you better than me, or gives you some devine right to judge me. (by the way, you seem to judge an awful lot. Isn’t there some Christian or Catholic canon that leaves the judging to God, lest you be judged? Just askin’. (snicker)
When you get to heaven (biggest snicker ever), you might want to ask my “ex” why she had to pass away and leave me and the kids alone, perhaps you can inquire of God as to why she had to die… breaking three hearts and leaving my life as empty as your souless heart. You assume far too much. My kids live in CA because that is where they were raised, where home is. My son, returns there whenever he is back from duty, which is not so often and I go there to see him. I have been stationed all over the world, life does not stop when your wife dies and my entire family sacraficed to help care for, love and raise my children. For my kids, it truly took a village. My home is now in WA. First home I have had in 22 years. First woman who took the time to understand. Make all the fun you wish. Knock yourself out. No, really, knock yourself out.
I told you before, you don’t know me. You don’t know Teresa. All you “know” is what you make up in your empty head, spinning stories from dust.
You again attempted to play cards you don’t have. When will you learn?
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We just love animals. You would not understand the concept of love. They don’t expect anything other than love and they give it in return. Of course animals shy away from evil folks, such as yourself.
I am not sure what the “hardening ovaries” is about? Are you saying she is not woman enough? Are you bragging about your child bearing (very charitable description) hips? Or perhaps you believe that being a mother, pretend or otherwise, makes you a better person? Or maybe you are tying to hurt Teresa’s feelings because you labor under the impression she wants or wanted kids? My kids, never called anyone mom. They were 18 and 19 when Teresa came into their lives. They started calling her mom, no one mentioned it to them.
Your pretend children have to call you mom, I suspect that you would administer corporal punishment if they didn’t. Teresa enjoys a gift that you will never know, the gift of freely given love and the title of mom was bestowed on her, not demanded by birthright. It means so much more the way she received motherhood. Anyone, can spread her legs (you are living proof) for her boyfriend (john) as you claim to have done, and be a mother (so you claim). It takes someone very special to be a mom.
Go fuck yourself!? Not very polite, but very appropriate.
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A dead ex… how convenient for your carl… and how utterly predictable that you would again try they sympathy card… I’ll file thaqt right alond witl sloppy seconds diatribe about your scarred belly …
I have no doubt your kids never called anyone mom… I suppose in their broken home(s) they are lucky they even know you.
Here’s what I know about you Carl
I know your name.
I know the sloppy seconds wifeypoo is a corporate attorney (where they go when they haven’t the where-with-all to make it in private practice and the government won’t even hire them).
I know your boken home children live in california.
I know you live on an island (sloppy seconds toddles off on the ferry).
I know you left sloppy seconds home alone about a week or so ago while she stepped in to do your bidding to battle the anonymous strangers who hurt your feelings.
I know sloppy seconds is taking her unemployed husband to Hawaii for a few days in November.All you “know” is what you make up in your empty head, spinning stories from dust.
And all you know about me is what I’ve told you…
Married ONCE and STILL for 27+ years
Children
CatholicI’ll give you that you can eliminate the teen, the college kids and the angry gay…
You don’t know if I’m a paraplegic old man, a vital young woman, a homebound teen bitter from being held back by cancer, a group of college kids with nothing better to do, a middle aged mom, a recently retired executive, an angry gay man or a widowed grandma.
You don’t have a clue whether I’m tall or diminuative, fat, lean, bloated from anti-chemo drugs, malnurished from AIDS, musclebound from weights, blonde brunette or a redhead.I’ll give you something else about me: W
hile I will take any and all steps to protect my family
I am not intimidated.
I do not back down.
I do not give up.
I rarely surrender the last word, but absolutely never to children, punks or vile foul-hmouthed punks that act like children.So spin your fantasy, big man… I am not the guy supported by my sloppy seconds wife…. and really, what kind of big man gets his jollies being an ass to nameless strangers?
Go fuck yourself!? Not very polite, but very appropriate. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/29/06@ 1:44 am
And once again, carl, you have reinforced your desperation, your depravity, your singular gutter mind, vocabulary and life. Your monomania is boring.
You are so damned right I’m sanctimonious: proudly and with reason.
BTW did you ask sloppy seconds how she feels having words of love (gratitude) for her come from the same brain that spews your filth?
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How about some talk of the total arrogance of “Governor” Queen Crissy treating the tax-payer funded and owned Governor’s mansion as if she personally owns the whole damn thing?!
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Your ignorance shines through again. Your complete inablility to comprehend what you read is really amazing.
My first wife died a horrible death. Cancer.
My children do not come from a broken home. Unless you want to curse God for breaking the home.
I am sure your husband has been able to maintain his marriage with you by supplementing his needs with various and sundry concubines. The distraction helps him cope.
As for Teresa, her salary would suggest she is a fine attorney. So dream on.
As for hurting my feelings, it is you who is in pain, not I.
What I know is that you are a bitter, sad shell of a woman.
You might examine your post for words of filth. The difference is I don’t use the thesaurus to flower up my posts. Shit is shit with me, not poop or excrement. Just plain shit. Like you. A pile of shit.
I would say fuck you, but you might accept the offer.
So instead, go fuck yourself silly with your judgment stick. You are not bothering me, you are not angering me. I am the one annoying you. You have a need for the last word. Makes you feel superior. The word fuck in and of itself does not show anger. In posts to you its only intent is to cause you consternation. Guess what, it works.
One problem:
You are working from a position of inferiority. You really ought to read your posts. They reek of self-hate, self-doubt and very low self-esteem.
Now you tell me how the deceased first wife (not an ex, that was sarcasm in the first post) turns Teresa into sloppy seconds? Really, an explanation is in order. You make arguments based on emotion and attempts to elicit rage from me. How is that working for you so far, you disgusting, skanky whore? How is that working for you? I am eating a sandwich and talking with Elvis as I type. I am sure you are ignoring your pretend “kids” in order to focus full time on your posts. You have to word them just right.
This post is disjointed intentionally. I am attempting to mimic your style. (snicker)
Here is something else I know. You are overweight. And not by just 30 pounds. You are considered to be unattractive and disagreeable. You are tolerated because your husband is a likeable fellow. Your kids are out of control little hell raisers, who the neighborhood moms would rather not have in their homes.
What else would you like to know. You are a direct threat to my peace, It is my job to know the level of that threat and to take steps to neutralize it.
Sammich gone, time to play with Elvis and mow the lawn. I love my riding mower. Always wanted one as a kid.
Have a nice day! :o)
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spelling correction Inability
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Your first “wife” died… fine… my sympathies.
You and “teresa” are ecstatic in your new love… mazoltov! live and be well.
You were a soldier… thanks.
Your kid is a soldier… ditto.
But pay very close attention here, sweetcheeks: you could be Patton reincarnate married to Mother Teresa reincarnate and it would make not a whit of difference.
You are judged solely on your vile, vicious and hateful mouth and attitude HERE.
Again, you choose to attack the wife. Again I tell you that it is your inadequacy that compels you to do so. I feel sorry you and your sorry little life. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/29/06@ 1:24 am
Please, tell us more Mr Pot…
I am sure your husband has been able to maintain his marriage with you by supplementing his needs with various and sundry concubines. The distraction helps him cope. What I know is that you are a bitter, sad shell of a woman. How is that working for you so far, you disgusting, skanky whore? Here is something else I know. You are overweight. And not by just 30 pounds. You are considered to be unattractive and disagreeable. You are tolerated because your husband is a likeable fellow. Your kids are out of control little hell raisers, who the neighborhood moms would rather not have in their homes. Just plain shit. Like you. A pile of shit.-Commentby My Left Foot— 9/29/06@ 11:39 am
Projection, sweetcakes? I just love when your own words reflect so perfectly back on you… it’s my favorite part of our tete a tete…
The difference is I don’t use the thesaurus to flower up my posts.-Commentby My Left Foot— 9/29/06@ 11:39 am
Clearly, you don’t. However you are on record as admitting to being so completely devoid of imagination and originality that you use an insult generator. That’s pretty pathetic, sweetcheeks, even for you.
What else would you like to know. You are a direct threat to my peace, It is my job to know the level of that threat and to take steps to neutralize it. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/29/06@ 11:39 am
So the coward has moved from implied threats to outright overt threats. Good job, carl, my printer works too. You’re just not quite as good at this when teresa is not standing over your shoulder and prompting you, are you?
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You make arguments based on emotion and attempts to elicit rage from me. How is that working for you so far, you disgusting, skanky whore? How is that working for you? -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/29/06@ 11:39 am
I can always tell by the way you devolve from rational to rage that it’s working pretty darn well for me.
Thanks for asking.
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Your masturbatory fantasy of besting me is laughable.
As for this ditty: You are judged solely on your vile, vicious and hateful mouth and attitude HERE.
The only one judging is you.
Neutralizing a threat is just that. It has no other meaning. I can neutralize a threat by simply proving over and over, as I have done here, that the statements and lies being told are just that.
Why do you think that swearing indicates anger? Why do you think that using an insult generator was anything more than fun for me? I did not hide it. I offered the info voluntarily.
Perhaps one evening while your husband is visiting his concubine you should reread some of my posts. Maybe if you read them real slow you might grasp some of the sarcasm, satire and humor. Then again, probably not.
I notice you love the work coward so I looked it up.
Coward, according to dictionary.com, means: 1. a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.
Yep, that’s me alright! (snicker, guffaw, knee slap, snort) Writers note for proudofherfatuglylyingthreateningass: the preceeding is/was sarcasm). (snicker)
The only coward in these here parts is you, missy. You have the address, come on by (roflmao) we can have a beer and talk over the good times.
I suggest you pack it in, honey. I am expert in this kind of battle. Anger makes you lose focus. Once you are angry, you have lost.
Now, back to your non-existant “children” (snicker). How are the little darlings? Have you housebroke them yet? :(
OK, back to the yard. I will check back later when I need a laugh.
Oh yeah, get some new batteries for your vibrator, you seem to be very uptight.
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You’re right.. I am the one judging you.. and trust me sweetcheeks, I judge you as the vile, vicious foul-mouthed punk that you are.
I find it absolutely fascinating carl, as would a Freudian, that you feel the compulsion to constantly reveal so much of yourself. One would have to wonder what it is you’re trying to justify and who it is you’re trying to convince.
I love my riding mower. Always wanted one as a kid. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/29/06@ 11:39 am
Congratulations Carl. ‘Tis nice you were able to reach what little you aspired to…
But hey, the back hasn’t been mowed yet this week, so bring that sucker over.. do you have an aerater too… I’ll throw a buck in so you too can contribute to the big (and boringly pedestrian) vacation.
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Hmmmmm.
How does humor and lightheartedness just pass you by? Must be sad to be so humorless. I am just a big boy who likes his toys.
As for accomplishment, my record speaks for itself. I don’t need or want your approval. Truth be told, if you or someone like you, found me likeable, I would have to reexamine myself as a human being.
I would list the accomplishments but that is for others to decide, not for me to list and boast. I am proud of my life. I am proud of my past, I am hopeful for the future.
You have to judge your worth by the car you drive and the “business” your “family” owns. You have mentioned several times the relative value of your possessions.
I judge my life not on what I have aquired, but what I have accomplished with my life. Service to my country, raising children into fine adults, my education, the volunteering I do locally.
Your protestations to the contrary, my sharing is not Freudian, it is simply friendly. On the otherhand your compulsion to belittle everything I say is indicative of deep Freudian troubles, perhaps you too were in love with and attracted to your mother? (snicker)
And of course, Go fuck yourself. Your husband won’t do it, might as well take care of your needs yourself. The Catholic Church lies to you, you won’t go to hell for touching yourself. (snicker)
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You will throw in a buck? Boringly pedestrian vacation? WTF are you talking about? Jealous that I can find contentment in my own yard and home? That I don’t have to run off to the local bingo hall or mall to distract myself from an unsatisfying life, in the manner that you surely do?
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I have indeed mentioned my car and indeed I have mentioned the family business, but never, not once, the value of any possesions… I leave that to the more crass amongst you.
Nice try, Mr-I-have a 3700 sq ft’ house and acreage…
Regarding the pedestrian vacation.. it means ordinary, uninspired.
An inspired romatic getaway would be to the Adriatic Coast of Italy, a leisurely jaunt down the Romantic Road of Germany, The Orient Express from London to Venice, a cliff-side cottage in Scotland, the beaches of Fiji, Malaga Spain and a ferry trip to Gibralter or a fjord tour of Norway.
Hawaii is so yesterday, so “I’m a tourist”, so uninspiring.
And Carl, I’d be glad to compare my passport to yours… we won’t even exclude your “military” trips.
Your turn, sweetcheeks.
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I suggest if you ever do get around to the Romantische Strasse that you go on over to Hausach. There is a charming little inn there, Gasthaus zur Blume, Hausach run by an even more charming couple. Heidi runs the inn side of things and her husband Peter, who comes from Spain (perhaps a Basque, but I don’t really remember) is the chef. On one trip we circled back and stayed there twice.
And if you make it to the south of Spain (we stayed at the Don Carlos Beach and Golf Resort in Marbella) do get over to Gibralter and consider the day long ferry (and an ugly ferry it is) to Morocco. Morocco is not top 10 on my list, but it was worht experiencing… try not to get suckered into buying a rug… the more you hesitate the farther the price will drop.
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screwed up the tags… get over it.
I suggest if you ever do get around to the Romantische Strasse that you go on over to Hausach. There is a charming little inn there, Gasthaus zur Blume, run by an even more charming couple. Heidi runs the inn side of things and her husband Peter, who comes from Spain (perhaps a Basque, but I don’t really remember) is the chef. On one trip we circled back and stayed there twice.
And if you make it to the south of Spain (we stayed at the Don Carlos Beach and Golf Resort in Marbella) do get over to Gibralter and take the tour to see the Barbary Apes. Also consider the day long ferry (and an ugly, filthy ferry it was) to Morocco. Morocco is not top 10 on my list, but it was worth experiencing… try not to get suckered into buying a rug… the more you hesitate the farther the price will drop.
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The now bankrupt Dana Corp had a hydraulic cylinder factory in Hausach… but they sold out to Hyco manufacturing.
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I have relatives in Rimini and Fano, business acquaintances in Bari and good friends (Luigi,Isabella) in Lake Como… but no, the ultimate ugly American doesn’t get that particular information.
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88 and 89
I see your imagination has gone wild. Luigi and Isabella, how quaint. (snicker).
I am sure everyone here is impressed. (possibly the biggest snicker this blog has ever heard)
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Luigi and Isabella Pellegrino… he owns a company in the material handling industry and they own a castle in Lake Como… they live there part of the year and the rest of the year it’s open for tours.
Isabella works very hard on raising funds for a very old monastary.
They are well known in the town.
Go ask.
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Oh I forgot.. you’re doing the tourist thing to Hawaii… how typically Seattle cliche’.
The last time we went to Hawaii was 2 years before child #3 was born. We spent 2 weeks there over the Easter holiday. It was a challenge for the Easter Bunny, but it all worked out. We went to Easter Mass and Sunday Mass at St. Augustine by the Sea, it’s lovely. I came down with the flu and spent a long night at the Waikiki Health Center… it was not lovely.
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Um, how do I break this to you? We, um, own the condo and three others that are rented out, pretty much year round. We play golf there.
As for the rest of your world travels, you have not yet made up anything impressive. My passport includes all five continents, all the oceans, Caspian Sea (why is the Caspian Sea a misnomer? No fair using Google.)
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I don’t know why Caspian Sea is a misnomer… and I hate Google… http://www.ixquick.com/
I haven’t made up anything about my travels sweetcheeks, whether you consider it impressive or not… and the government didn’t pay for mine… although I will admit some of it was business travel… and some of it was free because of business travel (gotta love those airmiles – the trick to air miles is not to airline hop… pick the one with the best features and stick with it…NW Platinum Elite… fly 75,000 miles a year and you too can automatically upgrade to 1st class with-in 24 hours of your flight…
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The Caspia Sea is a lake, not a Sea. Largest lake on earth I believe.
As for the government paying for my travels, what I gave the government and the people of this country is, in my mind, worth far more than a few airplane rides to far off and exotic places.
I have jetskied, surfed, been snow skiing, mountain climbing and any other manner of activity, living my life. I experience, I don’t just travel. I do. From the street market in Stockholm to the view from Sugar Loaf Mountain in Brazil to walking on the Great Wall, I have done, not seen. Some of my travels were a “perk” some were my own version of a vacation. When my kids were 12 and 13 we spent a summer in Europe traveling by car, train and boat. They have seen Euro Disneyland. Tokyo Disneyland, the Colliseum in Rome, the American cemetary at Normandy, toured the Dachau Memorial site, played in the waters of Algarve beach in Portugal. They have been scuba diving in Antalya and have escaped into the real life fantasy of Germany’s Toy Road in Franconia.
Please, don’t brag about your frilly “business” travels and tea with high brow friends. This is not experiencing life, this is pretending that you are living.
As loudly as you are attempting to disparage my life, my kids, my wife….it falls on deaf ears. While you were sleeping on 1000 thread count sheets, we were camping in Holland, staying in an Olde Inn in England and trying what passes for coffee in Turkey.
While I find your posts entertaining, I also find them wholly unbelieveable. If you lived the way you claim, you would have less time to post here. Your life is a fantasy. I congratulate you on your ability to string together a sentence.
Teresa and I are off to the San Juans for three days. Just some down time for reading and romance at a bed and breakfast near Friday Harbor. I know, hoooooooooow pedestrian. For us, it is a world away from home, a place to relax, rejoice, recreate.
I will try to check in but don’t count on it.
Toodles!
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Get over yourself carl… we’ve enjoyed camping throughout France (I particularly remember Rheims: we didn’t read French and ordered the house special of ox tongue… in a gay bar.. with 2 great bulldogs plopped at our feet begging for our scraps… they got plenty from us) Switzerland and Germany as well as the 1000 count bedsheets from our free weeks in the Netherlands.
I’m not entirely sure why a sane person would go to France or Japan to visit Disney… but whatever floats your pedestrian boat…
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Let me see, my kids were on a trip through Europe. Having grown up in So Cal as I did they are very familiar with where each and every Disneyland is. They have been to all but Hong Kong Disney. I expect they will see it on their own.
You know, the snooty attitude about vacations speaks volumes, as you are so fond of saying, about you. Pretentious, snobby, vainglorious, conceited, narcissistic and windbag all come to mind. Again, your imagination is certainly fertile, but your words do not ring true, rather they clank as if a child was banging a pot with a wooden spoon.
I would rather do. I would rather feel the exhilaration of a jet ski, the cold, biting wind as the ski edge throws a wave of snow on a hard turn.
It has always been my experience that those with money, with means, do not mention that fact. They conduct themselves in a humble manner. I mentioned the value of my home only when you had false and misleading information and location. There was a need created when I became concerned that you might confront an innocent.
Have a good evening. I won’t be back again until Monday sometime. I am being told that it is time to go out on the town, play some pool and laugh with our friends.
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I won’t be back again until Monday sometime. Commentby My Left Foot— 9/30/06@ 8:29 pm
So, I guess that means you bugged out on your “appointment” with americaforst… surprise, surprise.
Snooty attitude? LMAO… I think Disney is for chumps unless you are 7 years old.
Yes, my kids have done Disney (Florida, mostly because that’s were Grandma was), but really, how many times can you ride teacups, Carl?
Thanks, but we chose to visit the fjords than ride the Maelstrom. We chose to be in Faneuil Hall than the Hall of Presidents. We chose to look over the Champs Elysees from the Eiffel than look at pictures of the Eiffel. We chose Neuschwanstein rather than Snow White. We chose to explore Nazi bunkers and Eagles Nest over the shooting arcade. We chose an evening opera dress rehearsal at Heidelburg Castle rather than the Electric Light Parade.
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Apparently, once again, you failed to comprehend everything you read. From Quincy (where Faneuil is located, to the bunkers of Germany and Normandy, I have been there and done that. I choose to share my life with my kids. Sorry you don’t see the value in a childs smile. Sad for you.
I left for the San Juans on Saturday morning. I was at Danny’s, I was not the no show. We stayed until Saturday morning so that I could keep my word. Amerikafirst was the no show. I sat by the pool tables, inquired at the dart boards and no one copped to be him.Maybe you can explain. I am at a loss.
I have no need to back out. I can handle myself. Perhaps he saw me walk in alone. Perhaps he was afraid that I had a friend in the room (I did) only a fool walks into a situation ill prepared. While I was put off by his no show, I was not surprised.
So, now that we have that clear I must close up the lap top and rejoin my wife.
Have a good evening. You have some time to now find more places via the internet that you have seen. (snicker)
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I choose to share my life with my kids.
Except for tha whole bit about the village raising them, eh carl?
Goofy in Paris is not sharing their lives.
Homework is sharing their lives. Getting ready for homecoming (as we did this week) is sharing their lives. Runny noses, broken hearts and skinned knees is sharing their lives. Doing dinner dishes together is sharing their lives. Waiting for SAT results, GMAT results, bar exam results is sharing their lives. Laughing, crying, arguing, celebrating and wrestling is sharing their lives. Playing gin rummy and Uno on long plane rides is sharing their lives.
Have a good evening. You have some time to now find more places via the internet that you have seen. (snicker)
Screw you carl, we have the passports to back up our travels.
You brag broad generalizations about golf and skiing and swimming. I have DETAILS. You throw out some obscure factoid about the Caspian Sea and call it impressive. I call it trivia I didn’t know and wholly unimpressive as proof of anything except a head full of useless knowledge… yours.
Our kids smiles come from parents that love them and each other. Our kids smiles come from a happy home. Our kids smiles come from memories of private travels with each parent that they treasure like a precious gem. Our kids smiles come from family trips: planning and chaos and changes and fun and inconvenience of plans gone awry.
Your kids rode the Matterhorn. Mine took the train from Brig to Zermatt.
Your kids watched James Bond. Mine took the train from Grindelwald to Murren.
They’ve stayed with friends in Achim (he makes dentures) and beached the North Sea at Bremerhaven and Scheveningen.
They’ve been lost around Interlaken and been through the Sachseln tunnel 3x trying to get unlost.
They’ve seen the clock at Geneva and eaten the best pomme frits of our lives at a little tucked away restaurant outside the train station.
They sang (badly and loudly) ‘I Wonder What the King is Doing Tonite’ at the base of a castle in Liechtenstein and seen a pal nearly arrested in Bern.
They’ve tried to find family records in Salzburg, been to Mass at the Koln Cathedral, peaked into the casino at Baden-Baden. They’ve stayed in zimmers and hotels, toured museums, the red light district and the diamond district.
They love brochens and hate the lack of ice. They hate spaetzle and tasted the bock beer sold only to the citizens of Bremen… and saw their parents and friends sleep off the headaches after drinking it. They brought 150ML cans of Coke (that’s a 5 ounce can) to their pals here at home.
Our oldest toured Australia and New Zealand for 4 weeks as an 8th grader… stayed in hotels and with families. ..slept with a baby kangaroo and brought home the horrible, disgusting Vegemite.
They love geography because they’ve experienced it. Ditto history. -
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Proudofherfatlyingass:
You can stop now. You refuse to understand that what I share with my kids is all that.
What you fail to recognize is that I was off putting my life in harms way to protect you. During this time I missed some of the recitals, some of the dances. But for the milestones I was there. My sacrafice is real. My desire to protect this country is real. My belief in the values our forefathers gave to us is real. You are able to have these these dreams, that you keep mistaking for real, because men like me put country first. I did not do it for the money. I did it for love of country. I have a first class education, two degrees and 20+ years of service to my country. I have traveled the world, seen combat more than I care to remember and, with the help of family who made sacrafices, I raised two children to adulthood. One a college grad and contemplating law school, the other a soldier who will attend college when his service to this country is complete. There is nothing you have done, in this lifetime or anything you can do in the next lifetime, that will come close to what this family has endured and lived and given.
You do not want to compare passports with me. You do not want to compare passports with my kids. I was specific about some of our travels. I could name streets and small towns too, you would not know if I made it up or not, just as I assume that you are making it all up.
The difference is, I can prove all of this. One stroll around the office, den and family room in this house and you would know. I am not sure what your trailer is decorated, but I am sure it does not contain the framed, written thanks from two Presidents and three different Secretary’s of Defense. I am sure you don’t have shawl, handmade by a woman in Afghanistan in appreciation of being freed from her Burka. I am equally sure that your children are not serving in the military, nor have you or your “husband”. (snicker) I am sure the only history your family has is taking advantage of the “workers” in your “family” business in order to “enrich” yourselves on the fruits of their hard work for substandard pay and working conditions. (big, big snicker)
When you can stand next to me, or sit across from me, and discuss all this in person, with proof in your hand (photos, ticket receipts, passports) is when I will believe anything you have to say. Otherwise, there is no point in continuing this conversation. The invitation is open. We will be happy to meet you in a public place, on this side of the water. You can then decide if we are normal enough for you to visit the house. Your choice. You decide. Put up or shut up.
As for amerikafirst, you will note that he is not crowing about my failure to show. I was there, he was not. It is not my style to belittle him or call him on it. He made a choice. I respect that.
Have a good evening.
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You can stop now. You refuse to understand that what I share with my kids is all that.
What you fail to recognize is that I was off putting my life in harms way to protect you. During this time I missed some of the recitals, some of the dances. But for the milestones I was there. My sacrafice is real. My desire to protect this country is real. My belief in the values our forefathers gave to us is real. You are able to have these these dreams, that you keep mistaking for real, because men like me put country first. I did not do it for the money. I did it for love of country. I have a first class education, two degrees and 20+ years of service to my country. I have traveled the world, seen combat more than I care to remember and, with the help of family who made sacrafices, I raised two children to adulthood. One a college grad and contemplating law school, the other a soldier who will attend college when his service to this country is complete. There is nothing you have done, in this lifetime or anything you can do in the next lifetime, that will come close to what this family has endured and lived and given.
You do not want to compare passports with me. You do not want to compare passports with my kids. I was specific about some of our travels. I could name streets and small towns too, you would not know if I made it up or not, just as I assume that you are making it all up.
The difference is, I can prove all of this. One stroll around the office, den and family room in this house and you would know. I am not sure what your trailer is decorated, but I am sure it does not contain the framed, written thanks from two Presidents and three different Secretary’s of Defense. I am sure you don’t have shawl, handmade by a woman in Afghanistan in appreciation of being freed from her Burka. I am equally sure that your children are not serving in the military, nor have you or your “husband”. (snicker) I am sure the only history your family has is taking advantage of the “workers” in your “family” business in order to “enrich” yourselves on the fruits of their hard work for substandard pay and working conditions. (big, big snicker)
When you can stand next to me, or sit across from me, and discuss all this in person, with proof in your hand (photos, ticket receipts, passports) is when I will believe anything you have to say. Otherwise, there is no point in continuing this conversation. The invitation is open. We will be happy to meet you in a public place, on this side of the water. You can then decide if we are normal enough for you to visit the house. Your choice. You decide. Put up or shut up.
As for amerikafirst, you will note that he is not crowing about my failure to show. I was there, he was not. It is not my style to belittle him or call him on it. He made a choice. I respect that.
Have a good evening. -Commentby My Left Foot— 10/2/06@ 10:44 pm
I could stop now. ‘carl’, but I won’t. You see, I believe that when you continue to use insult and profanity to prove your point, you don’t.
You seem to think if you construct pretty little pictures with emotional words that somehow your ‘service’ and/or your life is validated. It’s not. I don’t believe word one of your supposed travels nor your supposed service to the military… service to ‘teresa’ with a great big dose of blue pill perhaps.. but little else. And isn’t it interesting how suddenly you have 2 degrees and a kid contemplating law school. Right.
What’s next ‘carl’?I don’t have to fake memories or look them up on the net, and I sure don’t have to get into a passport pissing contest with a small-minded peon like you. Nor do I have to fake the names of friends around the world and our experiences with them.
You like to insult, mock and snicker… well, sweetcheeks, go for it. Heaven knows I won’t stand in the way of whatever puffs up your faltering manhood.
You want to mock my 27 year marriage, go for it big man.
You want to mock our family business, go for it big man.
You want to mock my children, my travels, my religion, home my contributions to society, go for it big man. But know that when you do, it belittle you far more than it ever could me.And no, I would never consider meeting with the likes of you. I don’t associate with vile, fouth mouthed insulters or their ‘wives’. I don’t associate with liars and grandstanders. I don’t associate with America haters. And I sure as hell don’t associate with any vile, fouthmouthed person that ASSumes everything he was told was a lie.
You are a liar carl. I despise liars…. almost as much as I now (since finding this blog) despise liberals. I don’t believe you honor our forefathers and you can fall back on your “service” to demand honor only so long… the way you behave NOW trumps what ever little you may have done then.
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Open thread
Courtesy of FCCFU.com
Comments
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Brilliant!
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Looks like Queen Chrissie thinks a toll on the proposed 520 bridge is in order. It must be quite a shock being treated like the barbarians of Pierce County who have a toll for the Narrow Bridge.
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Very clever, I went and bought a t-shirt. Censorship, in any form, should affect the sensibility of all Americans.
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Bush and the Republicans are losing the War on Terrorism. Retired generals who’ve commanded on the battlefields of Iraq are coming out in droves citing the incompetence of Rumsfeld, and by proxy, the Commander in Chief since he’s the “decider.” The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) states that our mismanaged invasion of Iraq is allowing the terrorists to recruit more terrorists faster than we are eliminating them. Another words, we’re getting behind and becoming less safe as a result of George W. Bush and the Republican congress’ war policies.
Under President Clinton we captured the terrorists who attacked the WTC in ’93 and convicted them using the Rule of Law. As the threat from al Qaeda grew so did our response, including President Clinton authorizing the killing of bin Laden.
In ’98 Clinton was focused on the terrorist threat and used military strikes against al Qaeda targets. The Republicans, on the other hand were focused on White Water, Travel Gate, File Gate, and finally Monica. While the Republican leadership in this country was focused on the misuse of the Constitution’s articles of Impeachment and claiming President Clinton was using the military to change the news cycle away from the “bad news,” President Clinton was engaged with the destruction of bin Laden and al Qaeda. The Republicans were engaged in the politics of personal destruction.
After the USS Cole bombing, President Clinton set the internal workings of the White House on a war footing to overthrow the Taliban and kill bin Laden, but George Tenet of the CIA and the FBI wouldn’t certify that it was al Qaeda behind the bombings. President Clinton needed the confirmation to get basing rights in Uzbekistan to launch the military offensive. President Bush bestowed the medal of Freedom on Tenet, it must’ve been a “slam dunk” decision.
Finally, on Jan. 26, 2001 6 days after Bush became president, the certification came in — al Qaeda was, in fact, behind the USS Cole bombings. Bush did nothing. Well, that’s not true, he pushed his tax cuts for the uber wealthy agenda and went on vacation for 42% of his early presidency.
While Bush was on vacation we should have been overthrowing the Taliban, destroying al Qaeda and killing bin Laden.
That’s the unvarnished truth. This bullshit the Republicans keep spouting the President Clinton was making this a “law enforcement” issue is, like everything the criminally corrupt conservatives say, a lie.
Standing in front of a “Mission Accomplished” banner doesn’t make it so, and “Staying the Course” is a failed policy.
Voting Republican this year will endanger America of losing its first war.
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And if you enjoyed this one, perhaps you would also like this folk tune from Eric Idle….
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Former Enron CFO sentenced to 6 years. That’s not enough: he should have got the max.
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At last, a thread where we can comment on any subject. What a refreshing change.
I know I am a serial offender. I can’t wait for the open ones. I gots me some stuff to say…
Except for right now, apparently.
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“Online, people can be anyone or anyway they want. It can be an extension of their true personality” [Teresa “Paris Hilton” Grossman]
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OK……….HA.ORG’s Question Of The Day: How many posters on HA.ORG need to have their wives post to “protect” them from evil “baddies”?
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“He did not ask me to answer for him, I am up late working and decided on my own to post. When he reads it in the morning he will be perturbed with me……..” [………Oh no!!! Trouble in paradise!! “Lawyer up”, Teresa!!!!]
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“I gots me some stuff to say…”
Commentby Daddy Love [……………………………………………………………..That would be a little token “Ebonics” so the black Democrats can follow Daddy’s post.]
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OMAHA, Neb. – Three Egyptian college students who sparked a nationwide search when they failed to show up for a college exchange program last month were ordered deported Monday. The students – Mohamed Ibrahim El Sayed El Moghazy, 20; Ahmed Refaat Saad El Moghazi El Laket, 19; and Moustafa Wagdy Moustafa El Gafary, 18 – had admitted they violated immigration laws and asked Judge James Fujimoto to allow them to return home voluntarily. [……..Three less Democrat votes in NOV, unless they vote “absentee” from Muuuuuuuuslimland.]
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I know I am a serial offender…
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/26/06@ 10:51 am
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well, that explains the “Daddy Love” moniker! did you do any time at McNeil?
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House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi asked her colleagues Tuesday to close the House’s doors for a highly unusual secret session to discuss a classified intelligence analysis on global terrorism. Such a session hasn’t happened in the House since July 1983, when the chamber went into a closed session to discuss the United States’ support for paramilitary operations in Nicaragua.
Yeah, it’s fine and good for selective intelligence info to be publicly disclosed on the front page of the NY Slimes. But now that the whole report is being declassified, oh no! We can’t have all that transparency!
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House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi asked her colleagues Tuesday to close the House’s doors for a highly unusual secret session to discuss a classified intelligence analysis on global terrorism. Such a session hasn’t happened in the House since July 1983, when the chamber went into a closed session to discuss the United States’ support for paramilitary operations in Nicaragua. -Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/26/06@ 11:13 am
And the GOP said NO, I think not, Nancy!
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Good God, now we know Teresa’s model and mentor!
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Dear Teresa Grossman, From the movie, Stripes…
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howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS, Great minds think alike!!! Best regards, JCH Kennedy
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Seattle is an awesome place:
8.9% Sales Tax
Highest Property Taxes
Highest Gas Taxes
New Tax to Fix Streets
etc. etc. etc.Now we have:
Tuesday, September 26, 2006
Gregoire: Viaduct users should pay up
Gov. Chris Gregoire plans to levy tolls on drivers to provide the $460 million needed for the state’s share of replacing the Alaskan Way Viaduct.AND
Mayor Crazy-Man
Tuesday, September 26, 2006
Mayor asks for 10% increase in spending
By ANGELA GALLOWAY
P-I REPORTERMayor Greg Nickels wants to increase Seattle’s general fund spending by more than 10 percent over two years to pay for a broad array of initiatives — from new downtown “park rangers” to a small-business tax break and an overhaul of the city’s oft-troubled Monorail.
“The return of prosperity in our neighborhoods and business districts gives us the resources to improve our basic services,” Nickels said in his budget presentation to the City Council on Monday afternoon. “But we must also remain on guard, mindful of the rough financial waters ahead.”
The mayor has proposed no significant spending cuts, and only modest fee increases to some park services and construction permits.
In his plan to boost Seattle’s general-budget bottom line by $80 million, Nickels banks heavily on a couple of noteworthy uncertainties. For one, he counts on at least $40 million from a transportation tax package, the bulk of which voters have yet to approve. It’s slated for the November ballot. If voters reject it, Nickels’ office would help the council draft a new plan, Deputy Mayor Tim Ceis said.
Also, Nickels’ plan largely ignores a looming $20 million shortfall. The city expects to lose that much income in 2008 unless the state Legislature agrees to rethink business tax changes it adopted in 2003.
Rather than trim spending now, Nickels plans to continue lobbying Olympia. If he fails, he’ll ask the City Council to increase some business taxes over two years to make up $5 million. It’s unclear where Seattle would get the rest.
Seattle is just awesome!
Just keep right on taxing and spending.
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Democrat “Daddy Love”, Interesting name. Why do I think of “NAMBLA” and fat old men traveling to Thailand to “enjoy” 12 year old little boys?
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Leftout(of their minds!)— Although I don’t live in Seattle, your post is informative. Atlas is Shrugging.
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If that doesn’t turn your stomach enough, please note that the State Employees Pension Fund is UNDERFUNDED now by $4 Billion AND the Health Benefit Plan is also UNDERFUNDED by an undetermined amount which is also likely in the Billions.
Tax and Squander.
We owe it all to the Democrats who have steered the State Budget Ship careened from telephone post to telephone post.
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I so love the odes to the “manly” conservatives, chest-pounding exercises in self-delusion, that our friends on the right post here with frequence. History, of course, evidences an unyielding march to the left. While we experience episodic hiccups in this march, such as the present era when we witness fundamentalist regressive tendencies like the Taliban in Afghanistan and evangelical “Christians” in America’s red states, hiccups always pass. Once Bush and his blindered collaborators finish with their thrashing of rationality and common sense, we will once again, invariably and indubitably, see an expansion of civil liberties, a cultural flowering, and sustainable economic growth. These periods when pouty children raised on fairy tales govern are necessarily followed by eras in which the adults take over again. I have always found the conservatives’ notion that they are the productive, responsible members of society most amusing, almost charming in its naivete. In fact, if conservative ideology had triumphed throughout history, humankind would still be living in caves. Liberalism is the product of the freethinkers, the open-minded, the initiators and creators; these are the people who pushed nomadic clans of bug-eaters into cohesive communities. These people, who recognize the value of community, are responsible for literature, music, science, ethics, and all of those pursuits which make life worth living. Conservatives may take credit for selfishness, anti-intellectualism, and war. Conservative thinking reflects unmerited self-congratulation that is best addressed through prescription pharmaceuticals. Oh, and by the way, liberal gals fuck way better than those of a conservative bent. Conservative gals in bed are much like the federal deficit: just dead crushing weight.
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JCH
I don’t know why you think of NAMBLA so much. Maybe therapy would help.
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YOUR GASTAX DOLLARS AT WORK!!!!!!
Manager arrested during state trip
Supervisor at DOT accused of solicitationby jeremy pawloski
the olympian
A state Department of Transportation employee who supervises 30 people was arrested for soliciting a prostitute in Oklahoma City, where he had traveled at taxpayer expense to attend a conference sponsored by the Governors Highway Safety Association.
John William Dunn, 44, of Sockeye Lane in Olympia, was arrested about 8 p.m. Wednesday at Northwest 10th Street and Tela Drive, on a charge of offering to engage in an act of prostitution, Oklahoma City Police Capt. Jeffrey Becker said Thursday.
Aren’t you glad you voted for that extra 9 cents/gallon?!!
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Oh, and by the way, liberal gals fuck way better than those of a conservative bent. -Commentby proud leftist— 9/26/06@ 11:43 am
If you’re a straight man living in Seattle, how would you know?
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JCH
“I don’t know why you think of NAMBLA so much.”
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very nice goldy
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Manager arrested during state trip
Supervisor at DOT accused of solicitationby jeremy pawloski
the olympian
A state Department of Transportation employee who supervises 30 people was arrested for soliciting a prostitute in Oklahoma City, where he had traveled at taxpayer expense to attend a conference sponsored by the Governors Highway Safety Association.
John William Dunn, 44, of Sockeye Lane in Olympia, was arrested about 8 p.m. Wednesday at Northwest 10th Street and Tela Drive, on a charge of offering to engage in an act of prostitution, Oklahoma City Police Capt. Jeffrey Becker said Thursday.
Perhaps Mr. Dunn is confused about the meaning of Gas Tax.
Perhaps he believes it is “Piece of Ass Tax”!!
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From todays open thread:
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Of course it was not her fatlyingthreatening ass on that Black Hawk. It was not your children. No!
It was my men, my brothers, my team, my country riding in that chopper. Your only connection is that you watched it all from the safety of your living room, passing judgment about what you know nothing. Those men were doing the bidding of their country, protecting your fatlyingthreateningass. They knew the risks. They knew death was a possibility. A soldier knows that it matters not how death finds you. You are still just as dead. You will never understand the meaning of war. You will never understand what it takes to kill another human being. You only see it from your protected little house on your TV screen, while you eat dinner.
I am sickened by the right wings appetite for war and death. Lets nuke ‘em all. Lets send in a few bombs. Lets just take them over. The problem is that you never feel the death. You are not there to see it. This administration will not allow pictures of flag draped coffins to be published. Why do you think that is? You are the dumbest, fucking moron on this blog. You have not one God damn right to pass judgment or to demand the death of another human being. You have never worn the uniform, sworn to protect this country, uphold the constitution. You have never faced a death that results from our own inhumanity. You have never knocked on the door of your soldiers parents home and, without saying a word, told them that their child is dead. Gone. Forever. I have done this. More times than I care to remember. It is true, they know as soon as they see the car park and you get out in your Dress Uniform. Often, you don’t even get to the door. They meet you outside. Some, realizing the pain of this awful duty, try to comfort you. How is that for irony?
You want to argue that the other side started this. What exactly did Saddam start? There are 100s of senior military officers who have resigned their commissions over this “war†on terror. Are they traitors? Are they appeasers?
Hell the fuck no!
They are men of principle, men of conscience who refused to continue to participate in the killing of innocents, ours and theirs, in the name of a war that simply should not be. I swore to uphold the constitution and protect this country. I also swore to serve the President. The first two promises trump the last. Rather than refuse a direct order, or to give an order that was clearly not in line with the first two vows, I left the service when my last reenlistment came up.
I possess the ability to kill. I also possess the ability to reason. That makes me different from you and the rest of the animals in the jungle.
You come to me when you have faced the absolute horror of death. You come to me when you have held the mother of a slain soldier for hours, until she stopped crying long enough to call someone to be with her. You call me when you have stood at the grave site of a soldier as they lay him in the ground. You come to me with your sanctimonious, simple solutions for the worlds troubles when you have done these things. When your child has faced these things. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. You don’t know what you are talking about. You only know you are getting attention.
You will get very little from me from now on.
May God Bless America. (even you)
Rangers Lead The WAY!!!
Hoooah!!!
Carl Grossman
Soldier, Brother, Father. Son, Liberal, Democrat, Patriotic American and Proud!Now, proudasss, go fuck yourself silly with your Winger friends, while real men (boys really) are dying doing the bidding of our mindless President.
Oh, and yes, absolutely I am filled with righteous indignation. Do not mistake it for anger at you. It is indignation aimed at our government and its foolhardy policy of preemptive striking. The military is a defense. The military is not an offensive weapon. Why do you think they call it the Department of Defense? Why isn’t it the Department of Offensive Killing?
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Dear JCH and proudofherfatlyingcheatingthreateningass:
From the movie, “G.I. Jane”, “Suck my dick”.
Very truly yours,
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Question:
Does the Catholic Girl (proudofherfatlyingthreateningass) take it in the ass from JCH, or, is his dick to short to make it all the way through the cheeks of her fat ass to the promised land?
How does he know where to put his dick? Does he roll her in flour and then aim for the wet spot?
Speak up JCH, we can’t hear you with proudasses strap on in your mouth.
Anybody?
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JCH,
Check your arrest record for the proper spelling of “pedophile.”
“Typical queer Democrat pediphile]“,
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/26/06@ 11:55
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If we let republcans steal office, then we end up with more religious taliban types trying to control what we read, hear and see. And since the Bush regime was installed by the Sup Ct, we even now have the government controlling what we can say.
Exactly how are we a free country?
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GBS @ 33
Nice!
Is it proper to correct the spelling of a Doctor? Even if he is suffering from syphillis?
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JCH
Your obsessions are noted. Besides genocide, racism, and homophobia, we should add pedophilia. Got it.
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He also has an Oedipus complex.
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My Left Foot:
You, Roger Rabbit and me all have something in common: we’ve been in fire fights, we’ve seen the worst of war and buried those results. You write from the authority of experience, I’ve written similar thoughts.
Until someone has been in our situation, experienced the silence before, the noise of extreme violence, the unforgettable smells, the images that are burned in each individual’s mind and the mental journey each soldier must take by themselves contemplating Man’s inhumanity inflicted on each other.
Those who have, know that the military option is the very last option at the disposal of the government. It’s irony is that it is born of diplomatic failure and ONLY ends in diplomatic success.
George W. Bush did a statesman’s job of bringing to bear diplomatic pressure to allow the UN weapons inspectors into Iraq. However, for reasons only know to George W. Bush and his inner most circle of confidants, he rushed the weapons inspectors out of Iraq and set the nation on a course of reckless war.
The truth that we can reason from the events we wittnessed is that George W. Bush realized that Saddam Hussein did NOT have a viable weapons program or “stockpiles” of WMD’s. If the UN inspectors certifed complicance of Iraq with UN resolutions, then all the bans, trade embargos, and no fly zones would have to be lifted and the designs of the neoconservatives to overthrow Iraq that go back to 1998 would have been lost.
In no uncertain terms, regardless of the lives lost or treasure squandered, they were not going to allow that to happen. What we are witnessing is the gross “Incompetence of Ideology” that is conservatism. It is a failed model of governing like communisum, fascism, nazism, dictatorships, war lords and caste systems.
Conservatism is proven to be a failed model of governing not by its opponents, but by the very people who have strived for decades to promotes its ideals.
Conservatives have ideas aplenty, the problem is they are generally bad for the masses and grand for the elite. America is in the midst of its worst Constitutional crisis and only those who are blinded by loyalty to one man, their president, and not the the ideals of the Constitution are to blame.
Those people come in the forms of followers like JCH, ASS, MTR who follow people like Bush, Cheney, Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, Ney, DeLay, Ken Lay, Fastow, Safavian, etc, etc, etc.
Radical Islamic extremist share in common the values of Conservative Christians. Both have hi-jacked great religions and poisoned them with the ideology. The don’t listen to opposing views, they won’t reason with others, they call all who challenge them infidels or morally bankrupt and enemies. Their tools of persuasion are fear, terror, violence, isolation, and torture.
The real enemy of America is in our presence and the enemy of our free-thinking, liberal Forefathers is conservatism.
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“I possess the ability to kill.”
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“Online, people can be anyone or anyway they want. It can be an extension of their true personality” [Teresa “Paris Hilton” Grossman]
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Dear Carl “Rambo” Grossman, From the movie, Stripes…
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JCH is the posterchild of what conservatism embraces. His posts speak for themselves.
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E-3 GBS………..Shine my shoes. LT JCH
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Does the Catholic Girl (proudofherfatlyingthreateningass) take it in the ass from JCH, or, is his dick to short to make it all the way through the cheeks of her fat ass to the promised land?
How does he know where to put his dick? Does he roll her in flour and then aim for the wet spot?
Speak up JCH, we can’t hear you with proudasses strap on in your mouth.
Anybody?
Commentby My Left Foot […Teresa, It’s time to come and pick up Carl from 3rd grade!]
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Work party, E-3 GBS!! “Turn to…..”!!!!!
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44 JCH
Oh the pot is now calling the kettle black? Funny, you don’t like battle on your terms. Typical coward Republican. All for torture until you are strapped to the waterboard.
Classic. Just classic.
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By the way, I don’t hate you. I despise you. I loathe you. But I don’t hate. That would just not be very “Christian” of me.
Commentby My Left Foot [Carl Grossman, “Jewish” [???] Democrat]
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JCH,
Did your flight instructor force you to wear your mask after you vomited in it?
Is that why you lied about your military experience?
Is your SHAME too great? Like a puppy having its nose rubbed in its own shit
Tell us, Clarice, was you father ashamed of you? Did he brag to all his friends at the welfare office that his son was going to wear the gold wings of a US Naval aviator, only to have to face the shame that you WASHED OUT?
Knowing that some day his son would have to lie about his shortcomings?
Hmmmmm . . . is that it Clarice? Did your father disown you? Is that where all your failures dwell in dark recesses your mind? That image of your father throwing a bucket of vomit on your car and banning you from the trailer park?
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Commentby My Left Foot […Teresa, It’s time to come and pick up Carl from 3rd grade!]
Comment by Doctor JCH Kennedy — 9/26/06 @ 2:16 pm
Dear Mrs. JCH (as if there is one),
Please take the mouse and keyboard away from JCH. He can’t play nice with others.
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“All for torture………”
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JCH @ 47:
I’ll be honest: I don’t dislike you or even loathe you. I simply HATE all the enemies of America, freedom and liberty and that includes you along with the terrorists.
:)
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Is torture right or wrong? I mean in the moral sense. Let’s go see…
Conference of Major Superiors of Men (the Holy See officially recognizes CMSM as the national representative body for men in religious and apostolic communities in the United States):
“CMSM condemns torture in all its forms regardless of putative justification, and encourages support and help for victims of torture throughout the world, but especially in areas under the control of the United States Government.”United Methodist Church (Bush’s church):
“The Social Principles of The United Methodist Church condemns ‘…torture of persons by governments for any purpose,’ and asserts that it violates Christian teachings. The church also through its Social Principles further declares, ‘we oppose capital punishment and urge its elimination from all criminal codes.’ ”National Council of Churches:
“…we find any and all use of torture unacceptable and contrary to U.S. and international legal norms. We find it particularly abhorrent that our nation’s lawmakers would fail to approve the pending legislation disavowing the use of torture by any entity on behalf of the United States government.”Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:
“Our priorities are to:– oppose genocide and other grievous violations of human rights such as torture, religious and racial oppression, forced conscription (impressment), forced labor, and war crimes (including organized rape);”
Presbyterian Church (USA):
“we declare that the following acts shock the Christian conscience and are a cause for Christian repentance:1. torture and related violations of law by military and civilian agents of the government of the United States in the maltreatment of persons detained at Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib Prison, and elsewhere;”
Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association:
“WHEREAS the use of torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of human beings is in direct violation of Jewish tradition and, in particular, of the Jewish view that every human being is created in the image of God and;
WHEREAS torture shatters and defiles the image of God…
the Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association calls upon the government of the United States:
1) To affirm publicly its commitment to upholding the letter and spirit of the laws regulating interrogation and detention, including the Constitution of the United States, Acts of Congress, and the international treaties that it has signed and ratified, including the Geneva Conventions.
2) To allow every person in the custody of the U.S. military, military contractors, or intelligence officials visits by the International Committee of the Red Cross, in accordance with U.S. obligations under international law.
3) To reject the practice (referred to as “extraordinary rendition”) in which certain prisoners are sent to countries which use extreme forms of torture in interrogations.”The consensus? Not so much.
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“You will get very little from me from now on.”
Carl Grossman [……….Er, Carl, how do you explain the 7 additional posts by Carl “Rambo” Grossman, Christian Jewish Democrat?]
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“He did not ask me to answer for him, I am up late working and decided on my own to post. When he reads it in the morning he will be perturbed with me……..” [………Oh no!!! Trouble in paradise!! “Lawyer up”, Teresa!!!!]
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@ 49:
Yes, there is a Mrs JCH. You’d have to be from an isolated coal town in western PA to have a relationship like JCH’s to Mrs. JCH.
You see, Mrs. JCH also gave birth to JCH, AND she’s also JCH’s siter, aunt and grandmother.
Strange, I know, but that’s right of of JCH’s own mouth.
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Correction to 55:
Should sister and sitter.
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Um, JCH, I am no Christian. I have killed. I have maimed. The Christian comment was sarcasm. I said that proudofherass, your illigit love child, would not get much out of me. She hasn’t. I have trained my sights on you for now.
You are a coward, JCH. You are frightened of an old soldier. I asked to meet you in Hawaii. But you don’t have the ass to back up your mouth. You can’t stand behind your words due to the shaking of your knees. I suspect that no one has ever called you to account, mostly because you won’t come out from under that rock.
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WOw. The NIE is online….how different from what MTR linked to. For example, here’s a sentenece his link pulled out:
“We assess that the global jihadist movement is decentralized, lacks a coherent global stragety, and is becoming more diffuse.”
Cue the conservative cheering section. Here’s what the WHOLE paragraph says:
“We assess that the global jihadist movement is decentralized, lacks a coherent global stragety, and is becoming more diffuse. New jihadist networks and cells, with anti-American agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge. The confluence of shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups.”Which was pretty much what I had replied without having seeing this NIE. But don’t believe me. Read it for yourself.
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Whoops. IT was MWS who posted the earlier pulled-out-of-context quotes.
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Here’s what I replied to the quote I just poseted above:
MWS quoted: “A large body of reporting indicates that people identifying themselves as jihadists is increasing…however, they are largely decentralized, lack a coherent strategy and are becoming more diffuse.”
I replied: Another way of saying that al Qaeda has effectively “franchised” terrorism, allowing ops to proceed without central direction, making them harder to detect and track.
Here’s what the NIE actually says: “jihadist networks and cells, with anti-American agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge. The confluence of shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups.”
Makes me kind of prescient, doesn’t it?
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Daddy Love @ 51
Nice post. I just read that the demographic sector that most supports Bush’s policies on interrogation of terrorist suspects is that of evangelical “Christian” Republicans. Such support is utterly incompatible with the message of the Gospel. These people live in a Neverland, which rational minds will never penetrate. -
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“I asked to meet you in Hawaii.”
Commentby My Left Foot […We are going to surf together, Carl. Once. I look forward to our “deep water meeting”. -
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Correction to 55:
Should sister and sitter.
Commentby GBS […GBS, Stand at attention! Brace up, boy!!]
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The song is brilliant, and technically well done too.
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Fact: Muuuuuuuuslims who are dead can no longer wage “jihad”. Even Carl Grossman understands this. Now, second point: Dead Democrats can still vote, even without ID.
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Sen. Hillary Clinton defended her husband’s angry performance on Fox News Channel this weekend, saying he did a ‘great job’ on national security. Teresa defended Carl, saying he does a “great” job. Anyone else see a “trend” here????????????? hehe, JCH
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Sept. 25, 2006 — The shooting of a Houston police officer has sparked a new battle over immigration.
Juan Leonardo Quintero, an illegal immigrant, has been charged with killing a Houston police officer last week after a routine traffic stop.
Police Chief Harold Hurtt blamed the federal government for failing to secure U.S. borders.
Quintero allegedly shot Officer Rodney Johnson four times in the head while in handcuffs in the back seat of his patrol car.
Johnson arrested Quintero during a routine traffic stop for speeding but apparently missed the suspect’s gun in a pat-down search.
Following the shooting, a video showed Houston police officers pulling open the back doors of Johnson’s patrol car and yanking the suspect out of the back seat.
“It’s very easy to make a mistake. I am not saying a mistake was made,” one Houston police officer said. “Unfortunately, we are in the business where a mistake can kill you.”
The suspect should not have been in the United States.
Quintero was deported in 2004 after a conviction for indecency with a child.
“The subject was deported, and yet he came back, so if the government fulfilled their responsibility of protecting the border we would probably not be standing here today,” Hurtt said.
The Houston Police Department has been struggling this year to deal with the influx of Katrina evacuees and an immigration problem that is only getting worse.
Border Patrol said thousands of illegal immigrants crossed into the United States each month.
Johnson received a commendation for valor for pulling several children from a burning building.
He leaves behind a wife who is also a police officer and their five children. [……..As long as illegals vote Democrat, nothing will be done. Tough shit for the dead cop and his family. In the next 5 years, add another 20 million “Democrat-to be” illegals.]
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Daddy love,
Isn’t that report written by the same Intelligence guys who said there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?
You didn’t believe them then – why do you think they are right now?
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Where is the investigation on the leak to the NY Times?
When is a special prosecutor being appointed?
When is the Times editor going to jail for publishing classified information?
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69;
Do the words free and open press have any meaning to you at all?
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68
Are you not troubled by your government lying to you? Or is it OK if it is in your “best” interest?
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If that doesn’t turn your stomach enough, please note that the State Employees Pension Fund is UNDERFUNDED now by $4 Billion AND the Health Benefit Plan is also UNDERFUNDED by an undetermined amount which is also likely in the Billions.
Tax and Squander. We owe it all to the Democrats who have steered the State Budget Ship careened from telephone post to telephone post. Keep up the bad work…I know you will. Commentby Leftout(of their minds!)— 9/26/06@ 11:37 amBut da moonbats are in charge. Do I see a sinking ship. WHere are the Republicans on this issue? Why are they not using this to hammer the state donks?
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Where is the investigation on the leak to the NY Times?
When is a special prosecutor being appointed?
When is the Times editor going to jail for publishing classified information?
Do the words free and open press have any meaning to you at all?
Commentby My Left Foot […….Gee Carl, I wonder why Nancy Pelosi, DEMOCRAT, North Koreacisco, wanted a “secret” closed session of the House today? hehe, JCH]
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This Friday, soon to be known as “Fatwa Friday”, I will declare a “jihad” on stupid, dumb ass liberal Democrat posters on HA.ORG!!
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“It’s a persons attitude toward strangers that speaks volumes about them” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 9/26/06@ 1:02 pm
Indeed. Care to share with us your opinion of Ann Coulter?-Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/26/06@ 2:32 pm
Sure.
She is a PUBLIC figure making her fortune commentiong on OTHER PUBLIC FIGURES. Their political and/or personal foibles are fair game… as are hers… and the pig Michael Moores, lefty heroes Franken, Olberman, Maher, Garafolo…
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By the way, I don’t hate you. I despise you. I loathe you. But I don’t hate. That would just not be very Christian of me.
-Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 1:28 pmSo now you’re a Christian? Tough keeping your stories straight eh? Maybe Teresa can help you out.
You hate me/you don’t hate me, you loathe me/you don’t loathe me, you despise me/you don’t despise… pick and choose, sweetcheeks because, (pay very close attention now) YOUR OPINION IS INCONSEQUENTIAL TO ME.
You and that twit that was stupid enough to marry you, a vile, vicious, hate-filled, foul-mouthed punk, seem to think if you pound out well written “stories” about your oh so glorious and pity poor me painful past in the “military” that somehow that gives anything you say credence and weight.
News flash: it doesn’t.
I don’t give a far rats ass if you lick Teresa’s boots when she walks in from where ever the hell it is she goes when she leaves you home alone, I don’t care if you wore a uniform, I don’t care if you didn’t. I don’t care about the scars on your belly or your non-existant soul.
One thing I did catch though, sweetcheeks, is that your tantrum trumped your “honor”..
I swore to uphold the constitution and protect this country. I also swore to serve the President. The first two promises trump the last. Rather than refuse a direct order, or to give an order that was clearly not in line with the first two vows, I left the service when my last reenlistment came up. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 12:41 pm
Now, gee, why doesn’t that surprise me?
You did get one thing right though, sweetcheeks:
I can spew bullshit even better than JCH can. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 1:30 pm
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You will get very little from me from now on. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 12:41 pm
And yet, here you are:
Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 1:08 pm
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Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 1:27 pm
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Commentby My Left Foot— 9/26/06@ 2:38 pmCommentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 9/26/06@ 7:15 pm
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Hey, Smeg, you lied to me. You said yesterday that all the generals that were coming out against the war were Democrats. But, Batiste is a life-long Republican who turned down his last star to retire and come out against this administration.
What do you have to say for yourself?
Open thread
UPDATE:
Of course, some veterans will never need to rely on the VA. Like the 44 American soldiers already killed in Iraq during the first three weeks of September. Bob Geiger lists them all.
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Didn’t Reichart vote to NOT INCREASE VA benefits? What is the ad citing when it says “cut.”
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Even an increase in funding is a cut if it doesn’t keep up with inflation or the increase in demand for services. Ask veterans if the service they get from the VA has gotten better or worse over the past few years.
But to argue the definition of “cut” is an intentional distraction from the point of the ad… we need to keep our promises to our troops. And we’re not.
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This is a Republican world & therefore “not increase” = “cut”, “black” = “white”, “down” = “up”, “insanity” = “God`s way” etc
Of course the unwililngness to “increase” to stay up with inflation is a “cut” in real terms but then reality has never been the strong suit of the Republicans
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14...../newsweek/
Looks like we caught another republican racist/liar.
How long before we discover this stuff about RubberStampReichert?
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I love it that we can beat the republicans by showing them arm and arm with the Pretender & Thief. Man how bad is it going to get for the rethugs when they run from their own pres!!!
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With the flood of injured and disabled vetereans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, even an INCREASE that does not keep up with that flood is a betrayal of our brave soldiers, sailors, and Marines. But as I understand it, the VA bill bamboozle is to increase funding slightly for two years and THEN decrease it, so that they can run on increasing it and leave the wreckage for the next administraion (as with everything else). Is there ANYTHING these guys will not purposely fuck up in the name of short-term political gain?
Darcy looks great She looks pissed! Yes, we’re ALL fucking pissed off out here in non-wingnut America. Throw the bastards out!
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Jonathan alter’s comments aside, the revelations from his former football buddies about George Allen’s affection for the “N-word” will probably knock him down the few more points it will take for Admiral Webb to finish him off. Toast!
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Webb is a damn sexist and hates women in the military!
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Military woman are cool I think we should get rid of all the guys.
They seam to be the ones messing everything up over there
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sgmmac:
So is and does Allen. Give Webb some credit (and only some), that he has said that women can serve in combat now.
Heck, Newt Gingrich said that women shouldn’t be in combat becaue they get “infections” every 28 days.
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well the homosexual guys could stay they seam to do a good job.
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TS:
The military is doing just fine, it is the civilian leadership that is forcing them to do jobs they are not designed to do, and are forcing them to do it on a shoe string that are messing things up.
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sgmmac
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#12
Well what do you expect from El Diablo and his minyons?
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Conservatives have their nickers in a twist over Cliton calling FOX News out. But isn’t it more alarming what Bush said yesterday in his interview with CNN:
I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is — my point is, there’s a strong will for democracy. … The unity government is functioning.”
http://www.wonkette.com/politi.....203036.php
Looks like all those drugs Bush did have had some lasting effect.
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yeah I herd big DOG gave them a bitch slaping over there at fox yester day .
And it disturbes me any time Bush says anything
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It’s a good thing I don’t vote in that state. I would write letters every day to editors over Webb’s comments. How fucking hard is it for him to apologize for his remarks?
It’s not, he’s a sexist and he deserves the hatred he gets. I don’t believe women should be in direct combat units, but the argument doesn’t involve hatred like Webb’s………..
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I watched that interview (which Fox was forced to show uncut). Chris Wallace is still bandaging his ass. When Clinton reached over and tapped him on the knee, I thought Wallace was going to shit his pants. He was clearly scared that he had pissed off the former POTUS. He was clearly intimidated, clearly out gunned.
Bush wishes he could speak off the cuff like that without tripping over his brain and tongue. (not that he has a brain).
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Remember the Anthrax attack? How come Bush and his regime haven’t solved that case yet? And for all those republican liars who say we haven’t been attacked since 9.11 well, the anthrax attack sure seemed like an attack to the people it harmed or killed.
You’re LESS safe with the GOP in charge.
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sgmmac
Dammit.
Admiral Webb may or may not be a sexist. I do not know what is in his mind, and neither do you. He did oppose women in the military but now has aplogized for his earlier statemetns and still holds that women should not be in “tip of the spear” combat roles.
He also said, correctly, that, “We didn’t go into Iraq because of terrorism. We have terrorists in Iraq because we went in there.” Why a former Reagan Secretary or the Navy wants to be a Democrat is beyond me, but he’s the Democratic candidate in a red-slowly-turning-blue state. I support him.
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Has Rove been arrested for treason yet? Oh I forgot. They need him to fundraise a little more first….
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My experience is that woman are just as mean and nasty as men and are perfectly capable of front line combat
Actually I have know some woman I was more a feared of then any man :-/
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Oh, and George Allen is a racist idiot. We don’t need more of them.
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Unk @ 1
You comment sounds like “It depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.”
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Well at lest Clinton can spell is
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Here’s the LA Times on the brouhaha over Pentagon funding for the troops.
The decision by Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army’s chief of staff, is believed to be unprecedented and signals a widespread belief within the Army that in the absence of significant troop withdrawals from Iraq, funding assumptions must be completely reworked, say current and former Pentagon officials.
….According to a senior Army official involved in budget talks, Schoomaker is now seeking $138.8 billion in 2008, nearly $25 billion above budget limits originally set by Rumsfeld. The Army’s budget this year is $98.2 billion, making Schoomaker’s request a 41% increase over current levels.
A) This is what is the real on-the-ground significance of the “meltdown” that US military officials predicted in 2005 for the spring of 2006. We cannot sustain this deployment, and the predident has no ideas other than waiting out the rest of his term.
B) This also handily illustrates the White House’s bitter opposition in reality to what they CLAIM they will do without question: give the military whatever they ask for.
Why don’t we vote to put the adults back in charge?
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Gee, I guess I left the critical lede out of that story. Here it is:
“The Army’s top officer withheld a required 2008 budget plan from Pentagon leaders last month after protesting to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that the service could not maintain its current level of activity in Iraq plus its other global commitments without billions in additional funding.”
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Emphasis intended.
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I herd an army troops are now having there deployment extended agien . on NPR
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the tunnel is in i guess
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Im ok with a tunnel BUt i live up in everett so hehehee
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Watching Bill Clinton eat up Chris Wallace yesterday reminded me what it was like to have a real president. Lord, how I miss competency in the White House, someone with a command of facts, the ability to think on his feet, the capacity to speak a coherent sentence off-the-cuff . . . Bush is so tiny compared to Bill Clinton, a mere shadow of a man, let alone a president.
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…He was clearly scared that he had pissed off the former POTUS. He was clearly intimidated, clearly out gunned. …
Commentby My Left Foot— 9/25/06@ 11:48 am
Reminds me of the time Bill O’Reilly verbally bitch-slapped that arrogant litte cocksucker Al Franken in front of God, Molly Ivins and eveyone else. That was fan-fuckin’-tastic! to see that arrogant whinet little shit get put in his place by O’Reilly. Franken nearly pissed himselft he was so scared!
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I made a batch of tallhouse cookies this morning.
So im whating for those to cool off enough to eat :-/
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What did o’reilly shake his lufa at Al
I would have been a scarret to :-(
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I would like to see Keith Olbermann and Bill O’Reilly face off. O’Reilly likes to bully, but Olbermann is as tall and all that height O’Reilly likes to use to intimdate is useless. O’Reilly is intimidated by Olbermann too, Won’t allow his name to be spoken on the show.
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Thing have gotten so bad I was actually thinking fondly last week of the military coup in Thailand and wishing we could have one here and return to democracy and sanity :-/
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When any of you pansy asses have actually served, then you can tell me about the military and veterans. The VA under Democrats was crappy. Hell, the death coverage under Clinton was a measly $12K when Clinton sent kids off to die in Somalia. Bush isn’t great, but if funding is the barometer you asses want to use, $250K for a soldier that dies in combat sure as hell beats $12K.
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Brown stakes claim as Blair’s successor
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....rence.html
Looks like Tony the phony is on his way out
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Daddy,
I saw a debate with them and it was brought up and Webb did NOT apologize. I haven’t heard comments like that about women in the military for years, I thought we had gotten rid of all of those hard nosed sexist bastards. His comments pissed me off – period.
Socialist,
Being mean has nothing to do with front line combat.
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So “sgmmac” –
Two Questions:
1) Are you familiar with the term “sock puppet”?
2) Do you work for Riechert or McSafeco?
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sgmmac
I saw them both and Meet the Press and he did. He’s a hardnosed son of a bitch, though. I’m glad he’s on our side.
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sgmmac I just was trying to say there pefictly capible of doing it
And the Homo’s to
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According to the NY TImes, we’re sorta, well, NOT giving our troops everything they need…
The pressures that the conflict in Iraq is putting on the Army are apparent amid the towering pine trees of southeast Georgia, where the Third Infantry Division is preparing for the likelihood that it will go back to Iraq for a third tour. Col. Tom James, who commands the division’s Second Brigade, acknowledged that his unit’s equipment levels had fallen so low that it now had no tanks or other armored vehicles to use in training and that his soldiers were rated as largely untrained in attack and defense.
But only if you look at it like a “Bush-hater” would, right?
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I learned this reposting and repeating trick from the WingNuts.
proudofherfatlyingcheatingthreateningass made a statement. I proved her wrong, now she is silent. Typical Wingfuck behavior, make a charge, have it refuted, then pretend it never happened and/or hope it sticks anyway.
Here is part of my post:
Special comment for anyone who would want to try ?anything untoward? (quoting proudofherfatlyingthreateningass), it will take at least five of you to take me down. Three of you will have broken bones. Which three will it be? – Commentby My Left Foot? 9/24/06@ 2:36 pm
====================================================And here is her response:
Dear typical democrap liar, I can assure you that I have never uttered or used the words “anything untoward”. Perhaps it was another that you threaten and stalk “big man”[/snicker].
Comment by howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS — 9/24/06 @ 5:35 pm
================================================And my rebuttal:
64Dear proudofherfatlyingthreateningmistakenass,
In post 64 you say: Dear typical democrap liar, I can assure you that I have never uttered or used the words “anything untoward”. Perhaps it was another that you threaten and stalk “big man”[/snicker].
Here is your post from 9/18/06 @ 11:33 pm
You threatened my children you miserable pricklet and now you LIE about it you, pathetic coward.
If you pray to whomever it is you perchance to believe in, you better pray long and hard that NOTHING untoward happens to my kids, CARL GROSSMAN LIBERAL CHILD TERRORIST.
Comment by howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS — 9/18/06 @ 11:33 pm (post 149, under “THE POOR KING COUNTY GOP†thread.
Not only is reading comprehension a problem for you, so is your memory. I would expect a bigger person to apologize, but knowing the miserable, sad, depressed, lonely, bitch (c**t) you are, I won’t expect one from you.
You self-righteous, sanctimonious skank. Let me see you defend yourself now.
Go fuck yourself.
Comment by My Left Foot — 9/24/06 @ 7:19 pm
You can find the referenced posts in the thread titled “The Long War”.
I just thought everyone should know what kind of person proudofherfatlyingcheatingthreateningass really is.
Comment by My Left Foot — 9/24/06 @ 7:32 pm
proudofherfatlyingthreateningass “can assure†me.
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HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HARStop it, you’re killing me.
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HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HARComment by My Left Foot — 9/24/06 @ 7:35 pm
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Howerd Deans is on Ed Shultz show
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If Clinton had gone after Osama like Clinton goes after fat chicks in thongs, we would have never had 9/11.
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Carl, You seem to have trouble making friends on this board. Perhaps you could have your wife come and defend you again.
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No if Bush wasn’t such a dip shit we would have never had 9/11.
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Dear carl, did you know zillow.com values your home at a mere $332,721? Did you know it DROPPED in $2321 value just in the last week?
That’s pretty damned sad for a ‘retired guy’ living off his wife. …get a job, carl, christ you’re BELOW the area median.
Residence: Single family
Bedrooms: 4
Bathrooms: 1.75
Sq ft: 1,900
Lot size: 7,344 sq ft / 0.17 acres
Year built: 1979
Year updated: –
# Stories: 1
Total rooms: –
Basement: Finished
Roof type: –
Primary exterior material: –
View: Mountain
Primary parking type: Garage – Attached
Covered parking spaces: –
Primary heating source: –
Primary heating system: Forced air
Primary cooling system: –
Architectural style: –
Fireplace: Yes
Swimming pool: –
Waterfront: –
County: King
Parcel #: PURPOSELY DELETED TO PROTECT THE STUPID
Zillow Home ID: PURPOSELY DELETED TO PROTECT THE STUPID
Legal description: ** **** LAKES #** TGW UND INT TRACT **
(PURPOSELY ALTERED TO PROTECT THE STUPID
Zestimate: $332,721Dear carl, did you know your neighbor CC’s house is worth $314,311 (his fell $2,566 last week), while neighbor MC’s is worth $335, 331 (his fell $3,870 last week)?
Dear carl, wi’ant you ask someone the significance of CH1J27?
Dear carl, wi’ant you telling us all about your meeting with americafirst?
Dear carl, wi’ant you answering the questions put to you?
Just one more question Dear carl, why would a woman presumably smart enough to pass the bar waste time with a mini-male like you?
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Each day, Carl threatens to sue someone who makes fun of him on HA.ORG. It’s a new day, Carl. Who is the lucky posters who should get ready for a Grossmanstein “deposition”? hehe, JCH
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run Dear carl, RUN!
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Carl…………Sue!! Get ready for the Grossman “depositions”!!!! Hire Grossman, Loeb, Lowenstein, Rosenthal, and Stein [all relatives?]
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57……..The chicken is too tall! Carl is 5 feet, 2 inches, and dresses like Danny Devito!!
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“You self-righteous, sanctimonious skank. Let me see you defend yourself now.
Go fuck yourself.”
Comment by My Left Foot [………………………………………………Carl, when you were in First Grade, did you play well with others?]
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My phone here has not rung. No car coming up the road to the house. Hmmmmmmm…
You can’t play with cards you don’t have, anonymous. -Commentby My Left Foot— 9/24/06@ 11:25 pm
Tsk, tsk,tsk ‘carl’… caller ID and *69… I think not sweetcheeks.
But I’ll tell you what…. teh very next time I come to the Costco out your way… you know the one, next to Home depot, across from Lowes and caddy-corner from that brand new shopping center… I’ll swing on by… the E320 tooling and tooting past will be me. Be sure to give me the princess wave, sweetcheeks.
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Some advice for ‘carl’… when someone thinks you’re a fool, don’t give them the ammunition that proves it.
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Dow Ends Up 68 on Rosy Economic Outlook
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060925/wall_street.html?.v=33
AP – Stocks rose smartly Monday after Dallas Federal Reserve President Richard Fisher suggested inflation would be dampened by a slowing economy and said that while the housing and auto sectors are economic weak points, the rest of the U.S. economy is doing “extremely well.”
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Anonymous:
You do not have the correct house or information.
Facts for you: My home is 3700 sq.ft, just 3 bedrooms, it sits on 2.5 acres, no mountain view, it overlooks the sound (that would be a water view). Year built: 2004. There is a guest house and two out buildings, a shop and a barn for the animals. Zillow.com estimates the value at $1.6 million, they are low by about 17% based on the sale price of two homes here in the last 30 days.
Again, you are playing with cards you are not holding.
You should try *67, it blocks your number from going out on individual calls. By the way, whatever place you are describing, proudofherfatlyingthreateningass,is on the wrong side of Puget Sound.
Now, go back to the crack pipe. You are much easier to deal with when you are silent.
You are a fucking ignorant bitch with no life. If you are so confident, which you are not, go ahead and post the address.
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Meeting is this Friday, moron bitch.
As for the CH1J27, might want to ask Teresa about that, but then you would be entitled to know her info if she were to advise you. You don’t have her name, you are never going to get it.
Annoying WingFucks is so much fun.
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My home is 3700 sq.ft, just 3 bedrooms, it sits on 2.5 acres, no mountain view, it overlooks the sound (that would be a water view). Year built: 2004. There is a guest house and two out buildings, a shop and a barn for the animals. Zillow.com estimates the value at $1.6 million, they are low by about 17% based on the sale price of two homes here in the last 30 days
Commentby My Left Foot— 9/25/06@ 1:27 pm
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Nice digs.
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Nice digs.
Commentby Libertarian— 9/25/06@ 1:40 pm
Yep, for the guy that owns them…
good ol carl seems to have forgotten even a wife kept half wit like him can cross check white pages with the bar directory with zillow with the reverse directory…
me thinks the lady doth protest too much…. look for that E320 and watch for me at Costco
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By the way, just a side note, you are again threatening me. I am not concerned at all. Why don’t you stop on by, when you locate the right house I will tell you. As for the car you drive, not impressed, although I am sure you got yourself all wet typing that. One last thing.
Go fuck yourself you miserable hag. I am laughing so hard at your feeble attempts to locate me. I own you. You can’t stop thinking about me. You have spent a lot of time trying to find something you are never going to locate. Your problem is that you assume too much. You don’t look at what you know. You come to a conclusion without any facts. How do you know whose name the house is in? Perhaps we have formed a corporation, perhaps Teresa owned the home before we married? Perhaps our parents own it? All you know about me is my name. Nothing else. You have a name and a computer. Then you search and search and search and anything that comes up Carl Grossman, is me. Did you know that there are 1000’s of Carl Grossmans, ok, hundreds, in the United States. I was surprised to find that out too. There are even some who share my middle name. (Another fact that you don’t have). Without more information, you have nothing. Just a name.
Not really very much is it. It is valuable to me, and worthless knowledge to you.
Now look, Missy, I am bored with this. You need to realize that I have bested you. I proved you to be a liar, an internet terrorist (you did it again today) and I am quite concerned you are going to lose it, approach a house whose residents are not as nice as I am, or as undertanding of your mental defects, and great harm may come to you. Do yourself a favor, let it go.
Again, you are playing this game with cards you don’t have.
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“By the way, just a side note, you are again threatening me.
Go fuck yourself you miserable hag.”
Commentby My Left Foot— [Sue, Carl, Sue!!! File those papers!! Scheduled those depositions! Call Silverstein, Loeb, Grossmanstein, and Lowenstein, ESQ!]
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Proudofherfatlyingmistakenthreateningass:
You do not have Teresa’s name. You are making a huge error in judgement. I am begging you to give this up. You are going to put yourself in a position of liability that even your considerable ass will not be able to cover. Whatever info you have it is just not possible for it to be correct. Our number is unlisted. There are lots of Grossmans in the world. Many right here in the Puget Sound area. Quite a few are doctors in fact.
Now, back to your pretend “kids”, pretend car, pretend “family business” and pretend “intelligence”. You are not Magnum P.I. You are not even Mr. Magoo.
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you are a weasel. you are a coward that won’t can’t admit you were bested.
you challenged and were bested …little teresa jeane went running for cover when her neighbors were named.
you aren’t MAN enough to admit it and move on.. wi’ant you?
you aren’t MAN enough or big enough to say to anyone ‘you got me.. well done, that was fun’i don’t blame you for not admitting it… little carl is too worried his ‘internet friends’ will think less of him. little carl has his sad little wife supported ego all invested in what the internet idiots think of him…
you are a COWARD
Carl = coward
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Nov 9-16, we have extended our vacation by two days. Look forward to the surfing lesson. Can we have a beer afterwards, all that activity will make me thirsty?
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and the best way to know carl coward has been bested? his language devolves and he gets threatening.
you are cutely predictable, little man.
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cry “UNCLE” carl coward… a real man can admit when he’s been bested
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Any word on the meeting the three Democratic candidates for Congress on the east side of the mountains are supposed to have with the Yakama Tribal Council today?
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Teresa Jeane? who is Teresa Jeane? WTF? She ran? From whom? When? You are delusional.
You really are ill. Seriously, you have some kind of a problem that you need to deal with.
When I am bested, I admit it. But honestly, proudofherfatlyingthreateningass, you have not even come close. Admit you don’t know anything. Admit you are guessing. Admiting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
As for this game, I am always willing to play.
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Anonymous ASS!!!!
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Coward!
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The best way to know that proudofherfatlyingthreateningass has been bested, she posts immature rantings, claims victory when there clearly is none and tries to taunt me into a rant. I only do the rants when I choose.
You are great entertainment. Why don’t you drive up the Costco now, you need a break from the computer. You can get five or six hotdogs for just $1.50 each. That should hold you to dinner.
By the way, when are you going to post your name here? Oh yeah, you are afraid of the lefties here who are crazy and might harm your “children” and home. But really, how much damage can be done to your 40 year old trailer.
You going to address the “anything untoward” mistake you made, attacking me without checking your facts. Just like you think you have the facts about my wife and I now.
You really are a sad, lonely, miserable human. I feel bad for you.
I am off to my dance lesson. I am going to surprise Teresa with being able to dance with her in Hawaii. (this is how a man show his wife he loves here, not the slapping around you endure from your pimps. That is not love.)
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Where are we, junior high?
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Where are we, junior high?
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/25/06@ 2:21 pm
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Yeah, I’d say so.
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44 soldiers died in Iraq during the month of September……
How many people died in Washington State due to murder, rape, gang violence, domestic violence, and car accidents during the month of September??????
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Yossarian at 37:
You mean this get together, where Franken walked all over O’Reilly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpOSgT-osHk
Strange, it appears to be O’Reilly that is unhinged.
Also strange how almost anything that a Republican says can be torn apart by the truth.
But if you want to believe falafel boy’s lies, go ahead.
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If Bush had gone after Ossama with the same passion that JCH goes after Indonesian sailors looking for blow jobs, 9/11 would never have happen.
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Hey sgmmac-
Whose campaign DO you work for?
“Enquiring minds want to know!!!!!”
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Now we have republican ex-generals (you know the guys who unlike Rummy, Cheney and Bush went to war) saying that the Bush regime is lying when it says that it’s given the generals everything they ask for to win the war. The republican spin machine looks like a bunch of washing machines they are turning so hard this week. The news is ALL bad for the traitors on the right!
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“You are going to put yourself in a position of liability…….”
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It takes a big man to admit defeat ‘carl’ Clearly you can’t.
That’s ok.
You know what “carl’ I can be the bigger man. You are so right ‘carl’. You win! I didn’t find out your wifes name, her WA Bar number, the ‘fortune 500’ company for whom she works that’s withnin 30 minles of your home, her work phone number, the value of your house or the names of your 2 closest neighbors. You win.
CARL GROSSMAN COME ON DOWN, YOU ARE A WINNER!
You seem to believe, ‘carl’ that I am a woman.
I just have to wonder, given that belief of yours, how does it make you feel to have a woman (oh gee, let’s remember all those sweet names you called me: proudofherfatlyingthreateningass; cunt; whore; miserable..) how does it feel to have THAT woman be a bigger man than you, ‘carl’.
Cha, cha, cha sweetcheeks.
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It takes a big man to admit defeat ‘carl’ Clearly you can’t.
That’s ok.
You know what “carl’ I can be the bigger man. You are so right ‘carl’. You win! I didn’t find out your wifes name, her WA Bar number, the ‘fortune 500’ company for whom she works that’s withnin 30 minles of your home, her work phone number, the value of your house or the names of your 2 closest neighbors. You win.
CARL GROSSMAN COME ON DOWN, YOU ARE A WINNER!
You seem to believe, ‘carl’ that I am a woman.
I just have to wonder, given that belief of yours, how does it make you feel to have a woman (oh gee, let’s remember all those sweet names you called me: proudofherfatlyingthreateningass; cunt; whore; miserable..) how does it feel to have THAT woman be a bigger man than you, ‘carl’.
Cha, cha, cha sweetcheeks.
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“When I am bested, I admit it.”
Commentby My Left Foot [……….”I did not have sex with that women!” hehe, JCH]
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It takes a big man to admit defeat ‘carl’ Clearly you can’t.
That’s ok.
You know what “carl’ I can be the bigger man. You are so right ‘carl’. You win! I didn’t find out your wifes name, her WA Bar number, the ‘fortune 500′ company for whom she works that’s withnin 30 minles of your home, her work phone number, the value of your house or the names of your 2 closest neighbors. You win.
CARL GROSSMAN COME ON DOWN, YOU ARE A WINNER!
You seem to believe, ‘carl’ that I am a woman.
I just have to wonder, given that belief of yours, how does it make you feel to have a woman (oh gee, let’s remember all those sweet names you called me: proudofherfatlyingthreateningass; cunt; whore; miserable..) how does it feel to have THAT woman be a bigger man than you, ‘carl’.
Cha, cha, cha sweetcheeks.
Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— [……….Carl, It seems like howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS has taken you to the cleaners. Perhaps you can sue him for making you look like a fool?]
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“I am off to my dance lesson.”
Commentby My Left Foot […………………………………………………………………Dance Instructor “Jerome” has been “teaching” Teresa “The Forbidden Dance” every Thursday afternoon at the Embassy Suites!]
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Oh god not thius same old bullshit. I have heard this same think pointed in so many directions.
A cut that was really a cut in proposed increases, or a cut that was not an increase.
If McGavick had made this accusation against Maria Cantwell, who also took a pay raise, you would swarm his ass.
A cut is only a cut if it takes current levels and decreases them. All ealse is political double speak and misdirection, with some sophistry and demagoguary for flavor.
I am a disabled vet, and last year my pension check increased. That is not a cut.
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sgmmac @ 84
In 2005 there were 6,287,759 people in Washington state. There are 140,000 soldiers in Iraq. 44 deaths in a month is the equivalent of 1,976 deaths here. In one month.
In 2004 there were 3,500 deaths from all causes in September.
In 2004 as a whole, deaths from accident and “all other causes” (which include the categories you mentioned, basically, anything not disease or accident related) totaled 11,455 for the entire year or a bit less than 1000 per month, or only approximately half the rate of death we saw in Iraq in Sepetember 2006.
So those deaths in Iraq are quite high, which we already knew.
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The Iraq conflict, which began in March 2003, made “America arguably less safe now than it was on September 11, 2001,” retired Army Maj. Gen. John Batiste , who commanded the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq in 2004-2005, told a hearing on the war called by U.S. Senate Democrats. He went on to say that the conduct of the Iraq war fueled Islamic fundamentalism across the globe and created more enemies for the United States.
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One fact: The dead Muuuuuuuuuuslim terrorists are no longer a problem. The Muuuuuuuuslim terrorist solution: Use Trident subs rather than 18 year old Marines. One Trident will solve the Muuuuuuuuslim terroist problem in one day.
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“Is torture an American value?” [Goldysteinburg]…………………..No, But using “nukes” to kick the shit out of our enemies to end a war is!!! It works EVERY time it is tried!!!!!
Commentby Doctor JCH
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97 – Daddy Love
Your comparisons of Iraqi deaths to those in Washington is interesting but also intellectually dishonest. If we were at war here then the comparison would be comparable but we are not at war here. And, yes! If Iraq was at peace then the comparison would also be comparable but how people over the years did Hussein kill?
Please make your comparisons Apples to Apples1 That is Washington Apples to Iraqi Apples.
Tim
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Consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000.
The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period.
That means you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S.capital city, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.
Conclusion: The U.S. should immediately pull out of Washington DC.
Te Anau,
New Zealand
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Rujax,
I wish I worked for a campaign…….. then I might have some money……
But alas, I live on my Army retirement and my VA disability check. (I am also happy doing whatever I want to- when I want to!)My checks like Sven’s went up last year. Social Security, VA disability and military retirement checks get COLA raises every year. Last year our raise was higher than the active duty soldiers. It may be again this year, but since gasoline prices are dropping like hot potatoes – maybe not.
I do babysit my 9 month old grandson while my daughter works full time. But they are on vacation – so I am taking one too!
I just got back from Vegas yesterday.Since I am retired – I have lots of free time to read and post………
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Could we compare American deaths in Iraq to the American deaths in all black Democrat cities like Detroit, Washington, D.C., Gary, Philly, and Cleveland? Just “axing”…………..
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Proudofyourfatlyingthreateningass:
You have no information. None at all. If you wish to continue deluding yourself, so be it. Just like you NEVER said “anything untoward”. I debunked that, but you have not acknowledged that little fact, have you? I have handed you your ass on a platter here at least twice. You do not have Teresa’s work number, her WSBA number or anything else that you believe that you have. Does your driving distance include the ferry that she takes daily, you know, the one she walks on each morning when I drop her off, picks up her car on the other side and continues her commute? You like to make claims, none of which you have confirmed, and, can’t confirm. You don’t have her name. You fail to recognize that she is anonymous to you. You are guessing, and guessing badly. When you get a “fact” correct I will happily let you know. But so far, you are zero for forever.
Again, Teresa does not practice under her married name, I don’t know how much clearer this can be made to you, it is in no way associated with her career. Never has. Probably never will. She was well established before we met, by chance, at a Seattle Mariner game.
So you go on, be convinced that you know some big secret, because you don’t. I am not concerned, other than for the other poor fellow you are considering to disturb.
It is not about winning and losing. Though your words may make you feel better, there is no truth to them, thereby rendering them both meaningless and harmless.
But don’t pay any attention to me. Come, knock on the door you believe to ours. The only way you can learn the truth is to physically investigate your information.
As to whether you are female or male, it really does not matter to me. But the fact that you have “come out of the closet” tells me that I got to you. It also tells me that I am probably right. You are a little bitch. Male or female.
You have a nice evening, I am going to sit on the couch and watch the Saints return to New Orleans. Much more exciting than bantering endlessly, and, uselessly with you.
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When any of you pansy asses have actually served, then you can tell me about the military and veterans. The VA under Democrats was crappy. Hell, the death coverage under Clinton was a measly $12K when Clinton sent kids off to die in Somalia. Bush isn’t great, but if funding is the barometer you asses want to use, $250K for a soldier that dies in combat sure as hell beats $12K. Commentby A Vet— 9/25/06@ 12:18 pm
Excellent post!
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I thought we had gotten rid of all of those hard nosed sexist bastards. His comments pissed me off – period. Socialist, Being mean has nothing to do with front line combat. Commentby sgmmac— 9/25/06@ 12:21 pm
They still live in the donkocrapic party.
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MWS,
That might be a nice post from A Vet, but it’s not correct. Life insurance in the military hasn’t been 12K for years and years and many more years.
SGLI was 20,000 grand when I joined the Army in 1973. Now it is 250,000. It was 200,000 under Clinton and he might be a lot of things, but he did do some good things for the military. He did some bad too, but Rumsfield is currently trying to quadruple the health care insurance for retirees right now, so being a Republican doesn’t necessarily mean you take good care of the military…………
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I wonder if Clinton voted for his Local School Bond Levies?
Darcy didn’t seem to find the time to vote her local school levies. She must have been busy preparing for the “Ames Lake Home Owners Assoc” Meetings. Priorities are important. I am glad she got her’s straight.
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but Rumsfield is currently trying to quadruple the health care insurance for retirees right now, so being a Republican doesn’t necessarily mean you take good care of the military…………
Commentby sgmmac— 9/25/06@ 8:01 pm
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sgmmac,
Do you remember how health care as a retired military person was supposed to be free? The government is doing everything it can to get out that. Tricare was the start. What they’re trying to do is to totally eliminate the retired military folks from the system, foisting them off on private insurance and eventually into Medicare.
The government, no matter which party in in power, cannot be trusted.
Open thread
It’ll probably be a light posting day for me as I have a busy schedule. At noon I’ll be moderating a panel discussion on initiative and judicial races before a meeting of the executive council of SEIU Local 925, and this evening I’ll be emceeing the Seattle Follies at Town Hall.
Comments
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2289
How good is Bush doing on Homeland Security?
Last week, we have a guy on crack (John Craig, were you in DC), drive up to the capital and run through its halls with a gun.
And now this:
Two teenagers Wednesday drove a stolen car onto the U.S. military base that commands much of the war on terror, triggering an investigation into the security breach, police and military officials said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/.....index.html
Yep, Bush is doing just great on Homeland Security. Let’s home the terrorist don’t think about just driving on to our basis or up to the capitol.
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2290
What is it with the SEIU? Is expanding government power at the expense of citizens’ rights REALLY the only thing they care about? I mean, sure, that does translate into more union dues, but you’d think they’d be more moderate in their approach. Right now, all they want in a justice is a fawning sycophant who’ll coo “OOOO, government lawyer, yes, yes, I’ll validate what you want, that [insert one or more: excessive tax,/pretext for condemning property/misleading ballot proposition language].” It’s just so shallow and contrary to the fundamental notion that at some point government should just leave people alone.
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2291
It’s shaping up to be a good year. My investments are up about 9% and my retirement accounts are closing in on 10%, on a yearly basis.
The Fed is behaving fairly well, and it looks like the Republicans will lose control over one house of government in November. This is good because a government that is divided can do less harm. Once you have one party running the show, that’s when the trouble starts.
That’s the theory, anyway.
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“Bush no good! Bush no good! Bush no good!”
Comment by My Left Foot [……… “If we all convert to Islam, and say prayers in Muuuuuuuslim, the terrorists have assured me they will land the plane safely at JFK!” [Carl Grossman, Jewish Democrat]]
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The 16-year-old who was arrested early Wednesday after a police chase in which a law enforcement officer fired his gun at the fleeing driver’s vehicle faces deportation, Mecklenburg County Sheriff Jim Pendergraph says. Jorge Luis Marin, of Charlotte, was taken into custody early Wednesday morning after being captured on Maywood Drive, off The Plaza. He is charged with assault with a deadly weapon, possession of a stolen vehicle, possession of a firearm by a minor, carrying a concealed weapon, resisting arrest, and numerous traffic offenses.
The only way to solve this problem is to vote–and vote Republican.
This November go to the polls. Get your family and friends to the polls. Call your neighbors and get them to the polls.
The Democrats want fully open borders–and they want us to lose in Iraq–just so they can have power.
This election is critical. Vote.
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No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]
One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]
Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]
Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]
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“I did not defend my husband.”
Teresa
Commentby Mrs Left Foot […………Right!!! ROTFLMAO!! Perhaps you could sue everyone who makes fun of Carl! That should keep you busy!!]
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Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH
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Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest retailer, said it would begin selling generic versions of widely prescribed drugs to its workers and customers at sharply reduced prices, a move that could force rival pharmacies to do the same.The giant discount chain, which has used its size to knock down the costs of toys, clothing and groceries, will sell 300 generic drugs for as low as $4 for a one-month supply. /break/ The drugs covered by the program treat common conditions like allergies, cholesterol, high blood pressure and diabetes.
Take that Democrats and you union thugs. Millions of HAPPY Wal-Mart customers are ready to vote Republican!!!!
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Being on vacation this week I have more time to read HA.
I was wondering something, and maybe one of the regulars can help me.
Is JCH on crack or speed? Has he always stuttered this much? Just how obsessed is he with my husband? Any idea how old he is?
Thanks,
Teresa
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It’s syphilis. Sad that he won’t have it treated, but there is not much of his mind left now.
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Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/21/06@ 11:44 am
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Be fair,JCH, Carl is probably pussy-whipped like most libs and can’t stop her.
Commentby americafirst […………………………………..Teresa, Is Carl a little “PWed”? Just “axing”……]
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Carl and Teresa, Who are you going to threaten to sue today?
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JCH @ 5, 6, 7:
Notice how all the things you are complaining about are happening on the Republican’s watch? And, getting worse by the day on their watch!
Voting Republican only means getting more of the same failed government.
If conservatism was really the great model of government you knuckle draggers think it is, you wouldn’t have to resort to fear mongering or shouting like a lunatic to remind people to vote for the Rubberstamping Republicans who are in lockstep with Bush.
Your side is panicking and it shows. You dummies played the “Only Republicans can keep you safe” card one too many times and now your inability to resolve real world issues is about to bite you in the proverbial ass.
RMAOTFLOL at you dorks.
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I’m kind of concerned about this guy Chavez from Veneuela (SP?). He seems like a nutcase to me. Could he be trouble?
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Mrs Left Foot @ 11:
JCH is about 50. IF were to believe his claims of military service. However, that is highly suspect since he’s been caught out and out lying on this blog regarding his military service.
Hey, JCH, tell Mrs Left Foot which version of your military service applies to you.
A) You washed out of flight school, or
B) I just made up all that shit about you and flight school.Don’t let JCH bother you. I’ve taken on the role of beating the crap out of him on the blog. JCH IS my blog bitch. I control him. In fact, people used to have meaningful, adult conversations with him until I exposed him for the lying son of a bitch that he is.
JCH also suffers from LMS. Little Man Syndrome. By litlle I mean both in stature, maturity and, of cours, his teeny, tiny penis that he’s never used with a woman. JCH, your blow up doll doesn’t count. Or should I say your “rubber maid.”
JCH was one of those whiny, snot nosed, kids that lacked self-esteem that you might have read about in that study earlier this year. Basically, they observed over decades of study that shitty little kids tend to grow up to be conservatives, while well adjusted, self assured kids tend to grow up to be Liberals.
Sorry, JCH, but you just need to be exosed for what you are from time to time. Acutally, I’m not sorry and if I could care less about you, I would.
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Moonbat Democrats have a new hero:
===============================NEW YORK — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, appearing Thursday at a Harlem Church for an oil-for-poor event, repeated his ‘devil’ reference hurled a day earlier at President Bush during a speech at the United Nations.
“They told me that I should be careful after I called him the devil — and I think he is the devil — because he might kill me” Chavez told a crowd packed into the Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Harlem. Source:
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@ 17:
You should be afraid, very, very afraid if you plan on voting for Republicans. BOOOOOOOO!!! Boogie man’s gonna getcha!
Otherwise, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
See that’s the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are afraid of their own shadow and over react to small problems, whereas, Democrats are the self confident types that don’t dwell on fearful items of concern.
That’s why Bush won’t talk to the Iranians, he’s afraid. Whereas people like President Clinton know they are strong, have nothing to fear, and can prove they have nothing to fear by engaging in dialouge with anyone.
Only someone who is about to piss their pants won’t speak to the bully. Bush is about to piss himself.
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Sorry, I forgot to put in my name. Although, JCH knows who the fuck I am.
GBS posted at 16, 18 20.
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“Sorry, JCH, but you just need to be exosed” [GBS] […………………”exosed”? “Patya” Beach? E-3 GBS, back to mess cranking!!!!]
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No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]
One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]
Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]
Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]
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Mayor Numbnuts is about to dig his own waterfront view grave.
And it better be wide enough for a few city council members and the queen.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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C Chan
M ColwellAre you a good neighbor or an ass?
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we already know you can’t answer, won’t answer.
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Doctor JCH (Just another Conservative Horses ass?), as close as you are to the Bush Administration, I imagine respect for the law does not interest you. Fortunately when it comes to the Republicans effort to keep black citizens from voting, the Courts keep telling them that this is a tisk, tisk, and a naughty, naughty:
Voter ID law loses another round
Of course my Republican friends in Congress, known to be both racist and stupid, continue to try bringing back the good old days of Jim Crow:
If I live a thousand years, I will never figure out why these crazy crackers keep passing laws that they know will be overturned by the Supremes.
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No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]
One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]
Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]
Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]
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A radio commercial for a local gun shop advises Houstonians to arm themselves against “Katricians,” adding to the growing tension between Houstonians and the Katrina evacuees who have been blamed for a rising crime rate.
Gun shop owner and radio talk-show host Jim Pruett said today he started running the ad a few weeks ago after hearing a local television interview with a Katrina evacuee living in Houston who implied he would have to turn to crime if his government assistance ran out. [………..Just Democrats at play! No “guvment” check???……well, “MoFo”, Gives me your MoFo Wallet, MoFo!!”
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They’re Insane and Need To Be Locked Up
But it’s the Bush Administration, so instead they get a promotion!
NPR reports that the same bunch of dangerously incompetent lunatics who worked the Pentagon’s Iraq policy desk have been shuffled over to the Pentagon’s brand-new Iran policy desk.
http://www.wonkette.com/politi.....202371.php
Kids, let this be a leason for you, sometimes when you get something wrong, you shouldn’t just keep trying until you get things right.
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19 Chavez’s claim might put him in agreement with the late (and increasingly missed) John Paul II.
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31 Excuse me….John Paul thought Bush might be the Antichrist.
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Another Bush Conspiracy!
Michael Medved was among a group of talk show hosts who visited President Bush for an off-the-record briefing last week, and on his TownHall.com blog he describes the meeting. He ends with this:Twice during his meandering conversation, the President deployed the word “nuclear.” Both times, he pronounced it flawlessly–as “new-clee-ar,” not “nuke-cule-ar.” Considering the huge press attention on the mis-pronounciation [sic] of this single word, nothing shocked me more about meeting the president than hearing him, in private conservation, avoid a mistake for which he’s become celebrated in public.
If he can say “nu-clee-ar” in private, why does he still say, “nuke-cule-ar” when he speaks on camera? Could it be possible that there’s some mischievous intent here–that the President deliberately gives his own spin to the word just to provoke pompous pundits into paroxysms of supercilious rage? It seems like a far-fetched explanation, I’ll admit, but after seeing the President’s infectiously feisty mood this Friday, I wouldn’t put it past him.
On the other hand, Sen. Maria Cantwell (look for the ad titled “Port” if the link doesn’t take you directly there) is just inarticulate.
I guess talking is another thing maria can’t-do-too-well!
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@ 27 How does showing an ID equate to being racist?
If that’s the case ALL the banks in America are racist and so is any other business or government agency that ask for ID before providing services.
This also means that ALL Law Enforcement Officers in America are racist as they routinely ask for ID from the people they deal with.
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I still don’t understand why insuring identification for voting is “racist”. It would be required for everybody.
When I use a credit card I always thank the person for asking for proof of ID to insure it’s my card.
I like this idea in voting as it helps insure my vote isn’t diluted by potential illegal voters.
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Commentby CaughtInTheMiddle— 9/21/06@ 4:04 pm
“I still don’t understand why insuring identification for voting is “racist”. It would be required for everybody.
When I use a credit card I always thank the person for asking for proof of ID to insure it’s my card.”
The idea is not racist, but the implementation can be. Actually, not so much racist, as difficult for the poor and homeless. They are citizens too, and have a right to vote.
That’s the other part of this question. You do not have a right to use a credit card. The Constitution does not guarantee your right to whip out the Discover Card. If you have poor credit or don’t have a stable address, you may not be able to get one, and that’s just the breaks.
You have a right to vote. Neither the government, nor any individual may take that right except under the circumstances described in the Washington State Constitution.
The US Constitution recognizes that the states run elections. Even for federal offices, what you are voting for is the person that the state will send to represent us.
In Presidential elections, you are voting for the electors who will cast their votes in the electoral college, not for the actual candidate.
There are ways of doing this that would probably pass constitutional muster. Some have been suggested, all have been rejected by the Republican majority in favor of methods that are more intrusive and more difficult for the poor, elderly and homeless. Oddly enough, these are the folks tend to vote Democrat.
At this point we begin to suspect that the real goal here is not to prevent illegal votes (of which there seem to be very few) but to discourage legal votes from folks that traditionally vote Democrat.
This is why we tend to be so suspicious of these attempts. It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter. The Republicans choose not to do it that way.
So we choose not to believe them when they tell us their goal is simply to reduce illegal voting.
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President Clinton know they are strong, have nothing to fear, and can prove they have nothing to fear by engaging in dialouge with anyone.
Yes GBS, Clinton stopped North Korea alright! He sent Albright and Carter. That worked real well. NK was developing all during Clinton’s Admin. Clinton stopped Osama alright. Did you already forget Clinton’s 2002 speech on Long Island?
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re 2: You can be as alone as you want in America. Just ask the unabomber. If you wend your way into the New Jersey Pine Barrens no one will even bother to look for you. Go now!!!! And find your very own private briar patch!!!
PUDDYBUD (Bre’r Rabbit)
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I have family in the DC area. This Virginia race is interesting between Jim Webb and George Allen. Writing now on more of Goldie’s ignorance to the left and how they hate Jews look at this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...../20/AR2006 092001965.html
Henrietta “Etty” Allen said Wednesday that she concealed her upbringing as a Jew in North Africa from her children, including Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), until a conversation across the dining room table in late August.
She said Allen asked her directly about his Jewish heritage when he was in Los Angeles for a fundraiser. “We sat across the table and he said, ‘Mom, there’s a rumor that Pop-pop and Mom-mom were Jewish and so were you,’ ” she recalled, a day after Allen issued a statement acknowledging and embracing his Jewish roots as he campaigns for a second term in the U.S. Senate.
At the table in Palos Verdes, Calif., Allen’s mother, who is 83, said she told her son the truth: That she had been raised as a Jew in Tunisia before moving to the United States. She said that she and the senator’s father, famed former Redskins coach George Allen, had wanted to protect their children from living with the fear that she had experienced during World War II. Her father, Felix Lumbroso, was imprisoned by the Nazis during the German occupation of Tunis.
“What they put my father through. I always was fearful,” Etty Allen said in a telephone interview. “I didn’t want my children to have to go through that fear all the time. When I told Georgie, I said, ‘Now you don’t love me anymore.’ He said, ‘Mom, I respect you more than ever.’ ”
Now see the moonbats in action:
“George Allen’s New Jew Revue” http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/41884/
“They seriously want us to believe that Allen never knew why his grandfather was thrown in a concentration camp?” [actually, yes –.ed] http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/19/164828/708
“[Allen has] something against Jews” http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/19/164828/708
“[either] 1) he’s an anti-Jewish bigot, or 2) he’s afraid he’ll lose the bubba vote if people think he’s a Jew.” http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....123120/518
“George Allen has a nasty, sadistic, vicious, violent streak” http://www.raisingkaine.com/sh.....aryId=4573
“What did [George Allen’s mother] tell her son all these years, that her father was imprisoned by the Nazis because he was gay or a gypsy?” http://americablog.blogspot.co.....her-didnt- bother.html
I always thought DailyKos was a racist son-of-a-bitch and his kool-aid drinkers like Clueless, Tree Frog Farmer, Goldie, McCrainium, and other Furballettes here are Black, Hispanic and Jewish racists. Their own blogs prove it in their posts.
You lib boys had an opportunity to bury Macacas as one idiot here called himself. Then there was Monkey Fest http://www.qando.net/Details.aspx?Entry=4544
where lefties dressed as monkies to mimic black people speaking to Allen?Puddy is oh so right! Leftist loony tune libruls hate minorities!
Oh So Clueless and other Moonbats: Using Kos to make a point will continue to paint you as a racist. Do you want the public to measure you for what you are or whom you associate with? Don’t use that arcane Air Force Academy issue against us because you have a KOS problem.
Goldie, did you link this post back to Kos so he can see how thinking people view his worthless racism.
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This is about scaring the voting public and painting the GOP as “evil racists.” This is about keeping the status quo in order to better facilitate voter fraud. This is about liberal desperation.
I guess it’s racist to have to present a short list of IDs at the bank to cash a check, too. *shrug*… or a welfare check…
Somehow I doubt the truly homeless even know what year it is let alone who the hell is running in an election.
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Commentby Jack Burton— 9/21/06@ 3:51 pm
“This also means that ALL Law Enforcement Officers in America are racist as they routinely ask for ID from the people they deal with.
Well, two points here. If a Law Enforcement Officer asks for a driver’s license at a routine traffic stop, there is no issue. There is no constitutional right to drive a vehicle. If I’m driving, I can be required to produce a drivers license.
My passenger cannot. He or she may do so voluntarily, upon request. Or not.
There is no legal requirement that I carry identification on my person. So long as I’m not driving or participating in some activity that requires a license, I can tell the officer “no”. I will certainly ask the officer why he or she needs to see it before producing ID. Then I will decide whether or not to cooperate.
Before the common answer of “and then he’ll teach YOU some manners” comes out, I would point out another few things.
First, you’re assuming that a Law Enforcement Officer would deliberately violate my rights. Most of them are better than that.
Next, for the few that might give in to temptation, many departments have started putting video cameras in the cars and making voice recordings of all stops. Good Officers don’t like having people lie about what happened, so they like the idea.
Some Officers disliked the idea so much that they left law enforcement. Darn. Watch that door on your way out, fella.
In essence, no. Asking politely for ID is not racist. Demanding that I provide ID to avail myself of my Constitutional Right to Vote may not be, depending on how it is done. So far, nobody has really tried to find a way that is not apparently a thinly disguised way of discouraging poor, elderly and homeless voters.
But it could be done. It wouldn’t even be that hard. I wonder why the Republicans don’t do that, or at least take us up on some of the alternatives that have been suggested?
Oh, and on a side note. Whatever happened to the folks that swore out (under penalty of perjury) the bogus claims about invalid voter registrations. Are they in jail yet?
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I guess talking is another thing maria can’t-do-too-well! Commentby Anonymous— 9/21/06@ 3:33 pm
Maria Moonbat! is her name and stealing other congressional bills is her name!
I named her Maria Moonbat! first but others can use it at will.
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John Barelli: In federal elections which law has precedence, local, state or federal?
If you say federal, then which constitution has precedence, state or federal?
Just two simple questions sir!
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Commentby Anonymous— 9/21/06@ 5:15 pm
I guess you don’t actually read any of the responses to this topic.
I also guess you don’t read through the alternatives that were proposed, but voted down in committee on a party-line vote.
And from your comment, I guess that you’re pretty happy with the idea of disenfranchising the poor and homeless. After all, they must not know what they’re doing, because they vote against all your candidates.
Let’s see. That bit in the Washington State Constitution about voting being a right really means that you can vote as long as you are a right-winger.
Vote fraud is bad, but the right wing only seems to think that Democrat vote fraud (which seems to include poor folks voting) is bad. Swearing out false claims about “invalid” voter registrations is ok.
Or did I miss it when those folks were arrested and convicted. Please, tell me that I missed that trial and the perpetrators are currently behind bars.
No answer? Since that would also constitute “vote fraud” under any reasonable definition, it seems that the Republicans are ok with it, so long as it benefits them.
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Commentby Mike Webb SUCKS— 9/21/06@ 5:20 pm
Easy. Long settled law. The states run all elections. Period. You are welcome to speak to any Constitutional scholar on this. Your friendly lawyer will do fine, or stop by any American Government class on any junior college. Most of the students will be able to tell you how it works, assuming they have not slept through the class. (It can be dull stuff. I know, because I’ve taken the course.)
“Federal” elections are actually internal state affairs, and this is recognized by the US Constitution.
Senators and Representatives are elected at the state level, and sent to represent the state and the people of the state. The US Constitution sets out the requirements that these people must meet, but within those requirements, the state is paramount.
Presidents are not elected by vote of the people. The people elect “electors” that vote in the Electoral College. Those electors answer to the state.
The last time the federal government told the states to change something in their election laws, it took a Constitutional Amendment to do it. (Voting age to 18 – 26th Amendment.)
It’s called “Federalism”.
“The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states”
“The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof“
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Oh, one last comment. The various federal laws and court cases about voting rights all refer back to the Constitution. Essentially, the federal Constitution is paramount, but within its restrictions, the states are supreme.
Yes, it is confusing at times. The US Constitution guarantees certain rights to all citizens, and denies the states the ability to discriminate against its citizens. (Several amendments speak to this).
Within those guidelines, the states are supreme. Only when there is a question that the state may have violated the US Constitution can the federal courts intervene.
It is a weird system, with a lot of odd rules. The one thing it has going for it is that it is the best system anyone has ever managed to come up with.
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“Even Howard Hean won’t support Darcy!
Commentby Anonymous— 9/21/06@ 5:39 pm
Ok, exactly how did you get that from the linked NY Times story entitled “G.O.P. Gains Big Fund-Raising Advantage”?
Did you actually read the story? It was pretty interesting, telling how the GOP central party coffers are full, so they’ll be sending out piles of money, while we don’t have that kind of money to throw around.
Of course, our local fundraising has been doing better than the GOP, so we don’t need as much. Most of our money will go to “rebuilding state organizations across the country”.
I presume you meant Howard Dean in your little comment, but I saw nothing there that indicated that he is not supporting Ms. Burner. You are welcome to contact his office, but I’m pretty sure he’s a Darcy fan. (If my assumption is wrong here, then please tell me why I should care who “Howard Hean” is supporting.)
But don’t let little things like facts stop you from posting a happy headline, at least for the Republicans. Enjoy making comments that nobody will believe, but make you feel good. Smile, be happy.
For now.
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This is why we tend to be so suspicious of these attempts. It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter. The Republicans choose not to do it that way.
Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 4:49 pm
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“It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter.”
More lib bullshit. If it’s so easy to write them go ahead and tell us your proposed rules. Anything that you come up with will be laughable. Democrats want illegal votes. -
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Commentby americafirst— 9/21/06@ 6:16 pm
You mean the several amendments to HR 4844 that were voted down along party lines? Oh wait, they also contained additional penalties for interfering with a legitimate voter. Can’t have that. Someone might actually enforce those laws, then you couldn’t put in another bogus batch of registration challenges.
Americafirst considers any Democrat vote to be illegal, and I’m beginning to think that if he could manage it, they would be. Only in that context does his statement make any sense.
Republicans like americafirst just want to hold on to power. There are some honest Republicans still in the party. Americafirst and his buddies over at the Phalange would call these folks “RINOs”.
And if you’re going to reply to any more of my posts in such an insulting manner, have the courage to put your own name on it. Cowards annoy me.
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john john john, that was SARCASM, interpretive license and innuendo (the kind golstein and his herd of asses like) taken from this bit in the article
“The disparity is caused by the decision of the Democratic National Committee chairman, Howard Dean, to take a longer view of turning around the party by devoting most of the money he has raised to rebuilding state organizations across the country. Last week, the committee said it would provide $12 million to finance voter turnout efforts, only $2.6 million of which would be directed toward House campaigns, a point of bitter contention among Democrats and relief among Republicans.”
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50.And if you’re going to reply to any more of my posts in such an insulting manner, have the courage to put your own name on it. Cowards annoy me.
Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 6:35 pm
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“It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter.”
I knew you couldn’t do it, John Barelli. As I said, just more lib bullshit.
The comment wasn’t insulting, just challenging. As for using my real name, fuck you, I’ll use any name I like. You’re the one who makes statements he can’t back up; I find that cowardly and insulting. -
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No ID: No vote! [Sorry, Democrat illegals!]
One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Democrats Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]
Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]
Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, Democrat South Central LA!]
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128 – number of Bush regime officials indicted or arrested SO FAR
48 – number of Bush regime officials pleading guilty or being convicted SO FAR
GOP = CROOK!
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Phalangist:
From the Library of Congress
DEMOCRATIC ALTERNATIVE
Ranking Member Millender-McDonald offered a perfecting amendment in the Committee in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 4844, which was rejected by the Majority 4-3.
If adopted, the amendment would have improved voter access to the polls, prevented election fraud, and supported election integrity. The amendment proposed to:
(1) establish uniform standards for the treatment of provisional ballots;
(2) create uniform standard for treatment of provisional ballots cast at incorrect polling places;
(3) clarify criminal penalties for voter fraud under the HAVA;
(4) codify a Federal Court decision that HAVA matching requirements are intended as an administrative safeguard, not as a restriction on voter eligibility; and
(5) provide to the states additional fraud prevention methods.
Congresswoman Lofgren offered an amendment that would have prevented H.R. 4844 from taking effect unless the EAC reports to Congress on the anticipated impact of the Act on voter participation, and the report concludes that implementation of H.R. 4844 will not disproportionately affect voter participation by the elderly, disabled and racial minorities. This amendment was also rejected 4-3.The Federal Elections Commission noted in its 1997 report to Congress that photo identification entails major expenses, both initially and in maintenance. Such a requirement also presents an undue and potentially discriminatory burden on citizens in exercising their basic right to vote.
Partisan attempts to burden our Nation with troublesome proof of citizenship requirements are not the direction our Committee or the country should be heading. This Committee should focus on ensuring that all Americans, who are eligible to vote, are able to do so without having to wait for many long hours to cast a ballot. Further, this Committee should be concentrating on ways to ensure all Americans that their ballots will be fully accounted for, and their votes will be accurately counted. The Congress and this Committee should be addressing the real voter fraud issues, because electoral fraud perpetrated on Americans: voter intimidation, threats; misinformation, and other forms of voter suppression are still disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of American citizens today.
The Republicans weren’t looking to prevent fraud, they were looking to disenfranchise people they thought might vote Democrat. They’re running scared, trying to get this through now because they know that their days are numbered.
And all we need to do is wait. First, the Senate will likely kill this. If it doesn’t, then it will be challenged in the courts. It’s so obviously unconstitutional that I expect that even the far-right wingers on the Supreme Court won’t be able to bend the Constitution enough to let it go.
At this point, I was going to include a long diatribe about you and your little Phalange friends, hiding in your basement. But you just aren’t worth the effort. Remember, boys. The eye holes on the sheets go in front.
Coward.
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55. This is why we tend to be so suspicious of these attempts. It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter. The Republicans choose not to do it that way.
Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 4:49 pm
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“It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter.”
More lib bullshit. If it’s so easy to write them go ahead and tell us your proposed rules. Anything that you come up with will be laughable. Democrats want illegal votes.
Commentby americafirst— 9/21/06@ 6:16 pm
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If adopted, the amendment would have improved voter access to the polls, prevented election fraud, and supported election integrity. The amendment proposed to:
(1) establish uniform standards for the treatment of provisional ballots;
(2) create uniform standard for treatment of provisional ballots cast at incorrect polling places;
(3) clarify criminal penalties for voter fraud under the HAVA;
(4) codify a Federal Court decision that HAVA matching requirements are intended as an administrative safeguard, not as a restriction on voter eligibility; and
(5) provide to the states additional fraud prevention methods.
Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 11:00 pm
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Like I said, anything you come up with will be laughable. You quote general intentions rather than rules. Try to figure out the difference between intent and rule, dumbshit.I see why you post under your own name; you want people to feel sorry for you and not call you on your bullshit.
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how is it the poor, the homeless, the aged, the whatever can manage to have ID for welfare, meals on wheels, medicare, booze and cigarettes but can’t manage it for voting?
im sick and tired of MY country passing out its “rights” to those who have NO RIGHT to them. If you want to participate step up and prove yourself eligible. If you can’t or refuse to the stay the hell home.
you are wrong about the courts. GA voter ID is going to go to appeals and the court will overturn it.
GA offered to go to the homes of ANYONE that called to process their FREE id cards.A state ID cost $6 fucking dollars in California… how much is a damned pack of cigarettes.
It’s the lousy, cowardly, cheating liberals that run whining and screaming “UNFAIR” and “RACISM” to the most basic common sense things. It’s the damned bastard liberals that perpetuate class and race warfare pitting one against the other. Its the bastard liberals that keep citizens from succeeding. It’s the bastard liberals that kiss the ass of other bastards like chavez and castro.
I want voter ID
I want airport screening and I sure as hell want police profiling and INS deportation of the thieving fucks that are stealing my votes and stealing from my country.
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Anonymous—[57] Outstanding post. Just outstanding. JCH
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Why is it that the following rally was never covered by the mainstream media?
Thursday, Sept. 21, 2006 5:32 p.m. EDT
Pro-Israel Rally Virtually Ignored at U.N.
The Associated Press, Reuters and many other news organizations reported that a few thousand people took part in a protest against the war in Iraq near the United Nations headquarters on Wednesday.But the mainstream media ignored another, much larger rally taking place outside the U.N., with an estimated 35,000 people expressing their support for Israel and condemning Iranian President Mamoud Ahmadinejad.
The main speakers at the rally in Dag Hammerskold Plaza included U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton, who told the cheering, flag-waving crowd that the Bush administration “would not hesitate” to pursue financial sanctions against Iran if it proceeds with its nuclear program.
Noble laureate Elie Wiesel chastised the U.N. for welcoming Ahmadinejad, saying: “A man who brings shame to the world has no place anywhere. He must be excluded from all groups of international nations,” according to the New York Sun, one of only a handful of newspapers that gave the rally any coverage at all.
New York Gov. George Pataki said: “We stand with those who defend freedom in every corner of this globe. We must stand with the free independent people of Israel.”Professor Alan Dershowitz discussed an indictment to be drafted against Iran and its leader, accusing Ahmadinejad of inciting genocide against the Jewish people.
Also on hand was Diana Hagee, wife of Pastor John Hagee of San Antonio, Tex., founder of the advocacy group Christians United for Israel.Many in the crowd held signs demanding the release of three Israeli soldiers held hostage by Hezbollah and Hamas.
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Anony @ 33
So a group of right-wing sycophants CLAIM that in a private meeting the president does not make the stupid mistakes that we have all heard him make erpeatedly and consistently in public for over a decade. Sure thing.
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57
“im sick and tired of MY country passing out its “rights” to those who have NO RIGHT to them.”
Poeple have rights that they have no right to? That’s just a very weird and internally inconsistent thought. Don’t tell me; let me guess. You’re Republican. Are you trying to claim that the right to vote is a right to which people have no right? Good job.
The problems with voter ID ar mor or less plentiful. In striking down the Missouri law the judge said, “…for the elderly, the poor, the undereducated or otherwise disadvantaged, the burden can be great if not insurmountable.”
In goergia the judge ruled that it disenfranchises citizens who are otherwise qualified to vote. Even though they changed the law to make IDs available without cost, the courts ruled the burden was still too high on the poor, elderly, disabled, and other disadvantaged people.
It seems that there are almost no cases of voter fraud based on identity. The most rabid proponents have been unable to ever find more than handful, if that. Advocates of voter ID are perfectly happy to disenfranchise thousands of voters in the name of eliminating that questionable handful of cases, as long as the disenfranchised voters are Democrats.
I think that reveals their motives rather plainly.
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COURT RULES FOR MEDICAID CITIZENSHIP REQUIREMENT
“A federal court in Chicago upheld Department of Health and Human Services regulations requiring proof of American citizenship to receive Medicaid benefits. Fifteen plaintiffs, organized by the Washington, DC, advocacy group Families USA, brought the litigation, claiming the law violates the due-process clause of the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.”
“The group’s director also stated that he believed the documentation requirements somehow endanger the Medicaid benefits of victims of natural disasters, the homeless and disabled persons. That contention was nothing more than conjecture, ruled U.S. District Judge Ronald Guzman, when the plaintiffs were unable to prove any injury from the regulation. The plaintiffs didn’t challenge the law requiring such proof, only the implementing regulation.”
“As President Ronald Reagan once quipped, “Trust, but verify.” While we trust the Medicaid system to weed out unworthy recipients, merely verifying their identity is certainly a sensible step in the right direction.”
NOW SUBSTITUTE THE WORD VOTE FOR MEDICAID… GET THE POINT?
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@36 on others:
Thank you for not coming back as most on this blog do — like assholes. You present clear and distinct arguments for your beliefs.
Is the glass half empty or half full? I think the idea of the reason for voter id is seen in pretty much the same way by the right and the left. You chose your way, I chose mine.
The poor, elderly, etc. all seem to be able to identify themselves well enough when they need our(taxpayer)(government) help.
You attribute sinister desires on those who want voter id. Those of us who want it are looking to uphold the validity of the vote as a right for US citizens. We are not looking to exclude any legal voter. I believe anybody who can make an informed vote can insure they have a way to identify themselves that insures those at the polls know the right person is voting.
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THIS IS A (ANOTHER) LOSING ITEM ON VERY LONG LIST OF LOSERS ON THE LIBERAL AGENDA.
WITH THE EXPLOSION OF IDENTITY THEFT, WITH THE ADVENT OF BIOMETRICS IN THE MAINSTREAM (WE ALREADY OWN A LAPTOP THAT ONLY RECOGNIZES A FINGERPRINT TO LOG ON), WITH THE FLOOD OF ILLEGALS, IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME….
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More proof of the antsemitic nature of the mainstream press.
Israel: Foreign reporters’ vehicles may be used terrorists Government Press Office director warns Shin Bet that armored vehicles used by foreign news agencies may serve hostile groups to carry out attacks against Israel
Itamar Eichner; Published: 09.22.06, 09:23Armored vehicles that were given to foreign news agencies operating in the country with the authorization of the State of Israel, may be used by hostile groups to carry out terror attacks against Israel, Director of the Government Press Office Danny Seaman warned in a letter addressed to Shin Bet Head Yuval Diskin.
On August 27 an Israel Defense Forces helicopter hit an armored vehicle that belonged to the Reuters news agency in Gaza. According to Seaman, the incident illustrated the failures in overseeing the use of armored vehicles granted to the foreign media agencies with the permission of the State.
The vehicle’s presence in Gaza in itself constituted a violation of its license terms, and moreover, the jeep was carrying only Palestinians – one with links to Hamas who was not a Reuters employee.
Licenses for armored vehicles are granted by the State to foreign news agencies in Israel for the purpose of carrying out journalistic missions in the West Bank and Gaza. The State has even agreed to extend the permits for more than the one year stipulated by the law, on the condition that the license holder is a foreign national and that he alone will drive the car.
“To the best of our knowledge, all of the vehicles’ owners have been violating the conditions for a long time now, despite our requests. This is not the first time we are warning that these vehicles will be used by hostile agents to carry out a terror attack against Israel. The recent incident in Gaza only illustrates the danger,” Seaman wrote the Shin Bet chief. -
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@ 64:
Explain nearly $10 TRILLON of national debt.
Also, explain in detail how it’s going to be paid for? Considering that George W. Bush and the Rubberstamp Republicans voted to raise the national debt more times than all the presidents combined from George Washington to Bill Clinton.
That includes the number of times the national debt limit was raised AND the total number of dollars borrowed.
Go on, let’s see your brilliance.
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Commentby americafirst— 9/21/06@ 11:51 pm
“Like I said, anything you come up with will be laughable. You quote general intentions rather than rules. Try to figure out the difference between intent and rule, dumbshit.
Why I bother with you is beyond me, but let’s try one last time. Maybe someone that actually could do something about this is watching.
You want me to come up with an acceptable way to show identity that would not be an impediment to legal voters, but would reduce the possibility of fraud and allow easier detection and prosecution of anyone attempting it. Ok, as I said, pretty easy.
Add one additional method of identification. Sworn statement with thumbprint.
It would be possible for someone to vote more than once under this method, but the photo id method does not prevent that either, as some folks do manage to get multiple photo ids. The advantage here is that if someone does vote more than once, the evidence is available, which would not be the case with a simple photo id check.
It would actually be a bit more dangerous to vote using the sworn statement and thumbprint than using multiple ids, as it would leave an excellent evidence trail for prosecution.
It costs the legitimate voters nothing other than a moment to wipe a bit of ink off their thumbs.
In fact, after a bit of thought, perhaps we should simply use that method in favor of photo ids. Take a thumbprint at time of registration. As technology gets better, faster and cheaper, real time positive identification should become available at polling places.
Remembering that with all the rhetoric that the Republicans are putting out, they have yet to show that fraudulent voting is a problem. That was the gist of the Democratic alternative that you dismissed so casually. Essentially, it contained a requirement that someone demonstrate that there was a problem.
Of course, the real goal of the Republicans seems to be a law that reads something like:
Voter Reliability Act
1. All voters must register with and swear allegiance to a political party.
2. Anyone registering with any party except the Republican party is guilty of a felony and subject to whatever time in prison is necessary for their re-education.
a. As they have proven their unrelibility as voters by attempting to register as anything other than Republicans, their voting priviledges may not be restored.
b. Children of people in this category may also not register or vote. If they are already registered to vote, that registration is immediately cancelled. All of that persons earlier votes will be immediately scrutinized for non-Republican tendancies.
c. Grandchildren of people in this category may be permitted to register and vote upon successful completion of a political reliability course and the unanimous approval of the political reliability board. This permission is provisional, and may be revoked at any time, should any tendancy to vote in any manner other than the approved Republican way be observed by any Republican.
3. Any person, registered as a Republican, that shows any tendancy to vote in a way that is not officially sanctioned by the Republican Party Leadership shall be deemed to be a “RINO”. This is punishable by death, and all immediate family members will be imprisoned and sterilized.
That is the difference between intent and rule.
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One citizen: One vote [Sorry, Detroit!]
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JCH casts his vote for bin Laden.
Open thread
Comments
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2357
This past weekend FEMA and the City of Austin, along with the Texas Workforce Commission setup a job training/hiring/interview/job fair for all the Katrina FEMA evacuees in the Austin area to be held at the ACC campus on Webberville Road in East Austin. Several of the evacuees said they had no transportation to get from the apartment complexes.
So the city of Austin/FEMA/TWC set up transportation for each of them to ensure they would be able to partake of the benefit of job searching. The transportation consisted of nine buses and vans, to run from four locations in Round Rock, and five locations in Austin, in continuing shuttles back and forth to the campus to ensure that the hundreds of people looking for jobs would be transported in comfort. The vehicles were brought to their residences; drivers knocked on the doors; and every effort was made.
At the end of the day, the nine vans and buses transported a total of one person. Not one person per bus – one person total.
At the end of the day, none of the Katrina Evacuees applied for any of the jobs.
Not one person took employment – NONE total.
The bill to FEMA was $7800.
And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”, I say we don’t owe them anything and if anything, they OWE us – the Tax Payers that are “WORKING PEOPLE”, and they owe what they have been mooching off of the Tax Payers for almost a year now. It is obvious that they don’t intend to work as long as they can sponge off of the system. It is time to cut them loose and tell them the free ride is over!
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2358
And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”…
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/19/06@ 4:51 pm
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There does seem to the an air of entitlement from some of the people involved. In a year or two nobody will remember it. It will be as relevant as McGavick’s DUI.
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2359
What’s your point, JCH?
We’re spending $8 BILLION per month in Iraq.
If there are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day, and an average of 30.41 days in a month, how long does it take for Bush to spend $7,800 in Iraq?
Get your fucking head on straight and stop suporting the stated goals of Osama bin Laden to bankrupt America.
You terroritst sympathizer.
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2360
typo @ 3 should read “supporting”
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2361
A former Department of Homeland Security press aide, Brian J. Doyle, 56, pleaded no contest Tuesday to charges that he had sexually explicit online conversations with someone he thought was a 14-year-old girl.
Some more of that good ol’ fashion conservative Christian values that Republicans love to tout.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14909810/JCH, you have experience in this area, don’t you? Being a conservative and all some sort of criminal activity lies in your past.
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2362
Besides- most people here illegally or not Mexican, not even Hispanic- they came on visas and overstayed.
Commentby Jim King—— 9/17/06@ 7:38 pm
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Bullshit,you don’t know what you’re talking about. You have no idea how many illegal aliens are in the country or how many are Mexican or Hispanic.
Commentby americafirst—— 9/17/06@ 9:11 pm
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Got those figures yet, Jim King? Nah, it’s easier just to pull them out of your ass.Stick to calling people racist, Jim King. Your ass works just fine for that.
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2363
GBS IS A PISS ANT WHO GOT BOOTED OUT OF THE NAVY.HE CLAIMED TO BE AN EN-1 (ENGINEMAN) SO HE PROBLEY FIXES LAWN MOWERS FOR A LIVING IN HIS TRAILER PARK.
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2364
Great ad!
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2365
What the fuck was the item on the ballot today about raising taxes to pay for the AFIS system? WTF? Shouldn’t county gummint pay for law enforcement out of the FIRST tax dollar? How ’bout they do that, and then ask me if I want to pay for the babysitter referral service, or the hotline for dating tips for teens or those fucking salmon sculptures at eastgate P&R?
And why did Sims put it on a primary ballot? ‘Cause he thinks it would get killed in a regular election? It isn’t a big thing, but it just pisses me off when he does sneaky shit like this.
I voted no…
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2366
Het Carl! How many other posters on HA.ORG have had to put their wives on this board to “defend” them? hehe, JCH
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2367
E-3 GBS, shine my shoes!! LT JCH
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2368
President Bush’s policies in the Middle East are “moving the world toward war,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, maintaining that Iran was a peaceful nation that merely wanted to be left alone to “stand on its [own] feet.”
“The U.S. government thinks that it’s still the period after World War II,” Ahmadinejad said in an interview with Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of “NBC Nightly News,” a mindset that led Bush to believe that he “can rule, therefore, over the rest of the world.”
Source:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14911603/
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Democrats are now writing speeches for the Iranian moonbat. Did one of John Kerry’s speech writers move to Iran? -
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typo @ 3 should read “supporting”
Commentby GBS [………Another “Patya” Beach, GBS?]
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This past weekend FEMA and the City of Austin, along with the Texas Workforce Commission setup a job training/hiring/interview/job fair for all the Katrina FEMA evacuees in the Austin area to be held at the ACC campus on Webberville Road in East Austin. Several of the evacuees said they had no transportation to get from the apartment complexes.
So the city of Austin/FEMA/TWC set up transportation for each of them to ensure they would be able to partake of the benefit of job searching. The transportation consisted of nine buses and vans, to run from four locations in Round Rock, and five locations in Austin, in continuing shuttles back and forth to the campus to ensure that the hundreds of people looking for jobs would be transported in comfort. The vehicles were brought to their residences; drivers knocked on the doors; and every effort was made.
At the end of the day, the nine vans and buses transported a total of one person. Not one person per bus – one person total.
At the end of the day, none of the Katrina Evacuees applied for any of the jobs.
Not one person took employment – NONE total.
The bill to FEMA was $7800.
And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”, I say we don’t owe them anything and if anything, they OWE us – the Tax Payers that are “WORKING PEOPLE”, and they owe what they have been mooching off of the Tax Payers for almost a year now. It is obvious that they don’t intend to work as long as they can sponge off of the system. It is time to cut them loose and tell them the free ride is over!
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/19/06@ 4:51 pm
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What’s your point, JCH?
We’re spending $8 BILLION per month in Iraq.
Commentby GBS— 9/19/06@ 5:05 pm
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You ask “what’s your point?” You can’t understand the point?You are too stupid to qualify for moonbat rating, GBS, we need a new category for you.
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2371
Now that the U.S. government has acknowledged that it sent an innocent man to Syria, where he was tortured, which of you right wingers is willintg to volunteer to be hanged for this crime?
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/19/06@ 11:18 am
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Now AmericaFirst: GBS has issues with John. You need to go back to January entries on ASSWipes to see the genesis of this conflict.
Although GBS: JCH makes a good point. Those liveing on the dole make no move to get off the free ride. Unfortunately thems be my peeps and it sickens me to see them suck the public teat as Jesse and Al keep them doing. When Good people like Bill Cosby or Juan Williams (whom I disagree with their politics) write essays and books about how blacks are lazy then are pariahed by blacks and whites!
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2373
The Christian community really supports Christian voters. All you have to do is go to Pastor’s picks and Walla all your choices are right there. It makes it so easy.
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2374
walla?
Perchance, did you mean VOILA?
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2375
JCH
Gee, shouldn’t you link to a credible news source for stuff you want us to actually believe?
This was on WorldNetDaily, right?
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2376
Awesome ad.
Guess the trolls don’t want to talk about how bad 933 is going to lose in November.
Where is the Yes campaign anyway?
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2377
How many innocent Muslims are we going to kidnap, imprison, and torture before we start asking a hard question or two?
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2378
40 little minutes or so till some results roll in.
Will the drinkers liberally still be sober enough to understand their meaning?
Is Gerry just call me Garry suffering a bit of indigestion?
Is Tran going to regret not taking the job-bribe from Maria?
Will TaxMaxSims find enough votes for his pet whatever?
Oh the suspense!
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2379
How many innocent Muslims are we going to kidnap, imprison, and torture before we start asking a hard question or two?
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/19/06@ 7:20 pm
How many are we allowed?
How many are there? -
2380
Oh I get it… it was an oxymoron: ‘innocent’ ‘Muslims’.
Very good daddy-o, you made a funny.
Who said liberals were humorless?
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2381
Anon
Those would be the answers. Go on the record, you murderous fuck.
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2382
Anon
No, I didn’t say “intelligent Republican.”
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2383
or “compassonate conservative”…
”Please don’t kill me.”
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2384
How many innocent Muslims are we going to kidnap, imprison, and torture before we start asking a hard question or two?
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/19/06@ 7:20 pm
How many are we allowed?
How many are there?Commentby Anonymous— 9/19/06@ 7:24 pm
That is a good question. How may are there? I guess we could start with the muslim children who are not packing a bomb and work from there.
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2385
Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents about a Muslim Canadian citizen, after which U.S. authorities secretly whisked him to Syria, where he was tortured, a judicial report found Monday.
The report, released in Ottawa, was the result of a 2 1/2-year inquiry that represented one of the first public investigations into mistakes made as part of the United States’ “extraordinary rendition” program, which has secretly spirited suspects to foreign countries for interrogation by often brutal methods.
This is another reason why Bush has no credibility. Bush liked Syria when they were a tool for our torturers. But now Syria is evil because, among other reasons, they torture their prisoners.
Oh that’s right. We do too.
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2386
Most Americans (54 percent) don’t consider president Bush honest, most (54 percent) don’t think he shares their values and most (58 percent) say he does not inspire confidence. Bush’s stand on the issues is also problematic, with more than half (57 percent) of Americans saying they disagree with him on the issues they care about. That’s an indication that issues, not personal characteristics, are keeping his approval rating well below 50 percent …
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2387
let’s see, RUFUS & Anon,
How about we kidnap your mom, your dad, your spouse, your siblings, and any children you have, hld them idefinitely, and torture them. How about that? Seems like a good idea to me.
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2388
let’s see, RUFUS & Anon,
How about we kidnap your mom, your dad, your spouse, your siblings, and any children you have, hld them idefinitely, and torture them. How about that? Seems like a good idea to me.
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/19/06@ 7:41 pm
Actually I was thinking about putting the star of David on your entire family and sticking them in a pizzaria somewhere in Gaza. Now that would be interesting. I hope you like your pizza with extra sauce. hehe
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2389
Imagine that a real farmer as opposed to the rich oil company types who pretend to be farmers telling the truth about another right wing attack on reality.
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2390
I don’t know about the mail-in ballots, but on my in person poll ballot, for the Susan Owens / Johnson / Johnson race, it had the occupations next to each of the “Johnson” names
Michael Johnson (attorney)
Stephen Johnson (attorney / state senator)
and three other names including Owens down below with no information next to them. It seems to me that this would naturally give someone who didn’t know any of the justice candidates an edge in voting for either of these Johnsons since attorney and state senator were printed right next to their names.
That stinks.
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2391
http://www.hillnews.com/thehil.....lmart.html
The power of the American people at work. Beautiful.
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2392
Just for anyone looking for the primary results page over at the Secretary of State’s office, it’s at:
Enjoy!
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2393
GROAN IS TOAST! Alexander carrying red Lewis County with 63%, Mason with 62%, Island with 54%- not to mention King with 62%…
Alexander also leads in Snohomish, Clallam, Kittitas, and Walla Walla…
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2394
King County
District Court Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 3057 34.37%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 3196 35.93%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 2638 29.66%
Write-in 4 0.04%Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23% -
2395
Clark county going for Alexander, 54%…
Kitsap for Alexander, 55%…
Looking better and better…
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2396
If Pope somehow steals this election I promise to spend 40 hours a week making sure each and every mistake he makes on the bench (and there will be many) is documented and made public until he is finally run out of town on a rail!
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2397
Semen Recruit JC (pee wee) H… Get a life you inbred twat!
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2398
RightEqualsStupid @ 42
Look forward to seeing you observing my courtroom. Would enjoy having lunch with you from time to time, and getting your feedback on my on-the-bench performance.
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2399
Alexander now leading statewide with 53.3%…
Chambers polling 57.4%…
Owens with 43.5%, Steve Johnson with 33.8%, Other Johnson at 11.4%…
Tim Sheldon leading Kyle Taylor Lucas with 56.2%…
Big money losing all around…
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Bottom line: No ID, No Vote!!!! [Dems would lose 25% of their votes]
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2401
Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH
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2402
Former New Orleans chief technology officer Greg Meffert wasn’t the only prominent city official to throw a party on the Silicon Bayou, the yacht purchased last year by four partners in a technology firm that has received millions of dollars in city work since Meffert’s arrival at City Hall. On July 8, about a month before Meffert’s 41st birthday cruise, Mayor Ray Nagin hosted his own party on the boat.
Comments:
So what else is new? Business as usual in the Bayou Kleptocracy. “Gotsta KFC, gotsta King Cobra, gotsta Black Velvet, and mother fucka, Eyes gotsta big MoFo yacht!!!!”Nagin could have saved himself some trouble and thrown a party on one of those school buses that I’m sure are still floating around there somewhere.
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2403
Richard Pope:
Given that I believe your heart is in the right place, I voted for you. Don’t let me down. Where are you tracking the results of your race? I can find everything but the District Judge race.
Good luck!
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2404
So by 9:30 on primary night Burner is getting more votes in the 8th district, in both counties, than the incumbant. Cantwell is ripping up McGavick. And Esser, Jarrett, Nixon and other eastside GOP candidates are getting fewer votes than the democrats running against them in the general.
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2405
The moderate Republican, Jim Hines, is beating former state Rep Lois McMahan for the GOP state Senate nomination in the 26th- McMahan is the state rep that walked out the day that an imam gave the opening prayer.. Maybe this will finally end the career of one of the great legislative embarrassments of the past twelve years…
Jamie Pederson leads in the 43rd for Ed Murray’s House seat…
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2406
Rufus @ 32:
Rufus, how good do you feel after the all the Jew comments you make? Seems to me that you and the Pacific Island dweller are cut from the same cloth.
Seems to me if you are man enough to make the comment, you should be man enough to put your name behind it. But the Wingfuck way is to start trouble with a lie, then deny and get out of town. Backing yourself up is a foreign concept to you spineless beings.
Carl Grossman
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Thor- look at the total votes in those districts- very scanty returns…
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2408
From the Secretary of States office, claiming 100% reporting:
Darcy Burner, Democrat, 11474
Dave Reichert, Republican, 10438
http://vote.wa.gov/elections/P.....11d5bd6d16
If that holds up, this is going to be interesting.
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There’s been over a half million votes conted statewide as of 9:30pm- that should average out to over 10,000 votes per legislative district. King County returns seem to vary from over 4,000 counted in the 43rd, to just over 1,800 in the 48th, and just over 2,100 in the 45th. The 10pm reports should be more revealing- if King County gets ballots counted.
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2410
Again, from the Sec. of State:
Groen, 192458, 46.4513%
Alexander, 221864, 53.5487%
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Commentby Jim King— 9/19/06@ 9:30 pm
“The moderate Republican, Jim Hines, is beating former state Rep Lois McMahan for the GOP state Senate nomination in the 26th- McMahan is the state rep that walked out the day that an imam gave the opening prayer.. Maybe this will finally end the career of one of the great legislative embarrassments of the past twelve years”
Mr. Hines did a very good job getting his message out and energizing his supporters, while Ms. McMahan put up a few signs and waved from the freeway overpass. (Yesterday, during rush hour, just this side of the bridge. Just the thing we need. Another distraction tying up traffic on the Narrows Bridge.)
Being a Derek Kilmer supporter, I was rather hoping that we’d get to run against Ms. McMahan again, but it will be a better race with Mr. Hines in it. (Although he still hasn’t repudiated that “Speaker’s Roundtable” ad.)
Of course, Derek is getting move votes (in an uncontested race) than both Ms. McMahan and Mr. Hines put together.
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JDB- that is each candidate has 100% of the votes cast in their primary- not that 100% of votes have been counted…
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2413
John- I expect Derek to win in November- but watching McMahan go down to defeat is a good thing. I just wish Trent England was winning against Boehme- Boehme is worse than McMahan…
Unfortunately, moderate Republican Kitsap County Commissioner Patty Lent appears to be losing her primary. She was very helpful in getting Old Man House (formerly State) Park returned to the Suquamish Tribe- which is one reason the right hates her.
Can’t go being decent to the tribes, now…
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Thanks Jim. I I didn’t think that it made sense that 100% reporting, but the way they had it laid out, it looked that way.
We’ll see where it is after the 10 and 11p updates. If it stays the same, Reichert is in serious trouble.
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Jim
Yes, Ms. McMahan was an “interesting” individual. We’re both in the local Chamber of Commerce, and have been at a few of the same meetings.
I’ve met Captain Seaquist a couple of times, and he’s been active in both local and national politics for a while. Another one of those “social liberal, fiscal conservative” types, like yours truly. I like the guy, and think he’ll do well in the general election. I think that Mr. Boehme’s support is limited to the far right, so Captain Seaquist should do fine.
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2416
Yep, if I had looked at the Senate listings, I would have figured that out. Still, by this point of the night, this is significant:
Maria Cantwell: 235614
Mike McGavick: 163550
Nearly 70000 different.
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JDB- that the choice of ballots is splitting roughly 50/50 in the Eighth- if it holds- should be of concern to the GOP. I can see a trend to D’s in the 47th because of the state Senate primary, but there is not generally a reason to favor one party over the other for prposes of having real primaries going on, other than in the 47th…
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By the way- do not forget that at 10pm you should all pull your attention away from primary returns, and tune in the season opener of Boston Legal… Kirk sure has put on weight in the past forty years…
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2419
Jim:
Yep, if you have a 50/50 split that would surprise me, since the money spent for this election was intended to get conservatives out to elect Groen and Johnson.
Looking at the results, I would say the BIAW should thank the other candidates that filed against Owens as they are probably the only reason Johnson will get past the primary at this point.
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Rufus @ 32:
Rufus, how good do you feel after the all the Jew comments you make? Seems to me that you and the Pacific Island dweller are cut from the same cloth.
Seems to me if you are man enough to make the comment, you should be man enough to put your name behind it. But the Wingfuck way is to start trouble with a lie, then deny and get out of town. Backing yourself up is a foreign concept to you spineless beings.
Carl Grossman
Democrat, Patriotic AmericanCommentby My Left Foot— 9/19/06@ 9:30 pm
I love the Jewish people. Long live Isreal. What did I say that was untrue? Is being brutally honest about the Jewish plight bug you Left foot? I believe the claim that the Jews oppress palestinians and their Arab neighbors is laughable. Do you have a problem with that Left foot? Here let me spell it out for you:
Jews living in Isreal defending their right for existence = Good
Arabs killing Jews = Evil
No grey about where I stand, just black and white. Nuff said.
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Uh, folks, McGavick’s down by about 15 points…and King County’s barely reporting (less than 5% as of 10 pm). That’s only going toget worse. For Chrissakes, Cantwell is probably going to carry most of the counties on the west side of the state.
He’s toast. Stick a fork in him, he’s done (barring something totally sensational between now and Election Day). Insert your cliche here.
And yeah, the Republicans are not only down in the 8th CD, plus the 45th and 48th districts, but they’re also down in the 26th, Fred Jarrett’s losing in the 41st, Skip Priest is having issues in the 30th, and heck, even Pam and Dan Roach look like they might be in trouble in the 31st.
I was in Olympia primary night of 1994…and tonight is the exact opposite of that, where D’s are looking VERY strong outside of Republican strongholds (eastern Washington and some rural areas), and a bunch of R’s in swing/lean R districts are getting blitzed. The days of Tim Sheldon getting to be a Neanderthal fucktard and backstab the D’s are over in the Senate, folks. Governor Gregoire is going to have a soild progressive majority to govern with come 2007.
I’d like to give big wet sloppy kisses to the BIAW for wasting money on John Groen…because not only is he not going to win, they now have 2 million less to spend between now and Novrmber.
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JDB- the court race, unlike the partisan primary, is still a beauty contest, and over 55% of the voters said NO to Owens.
Incumbents pulling less than 50% are in trouble, and with the Groen and Burrage distractions out of the way, it will be a very different campaign for the last Supreme Court seat.
There are a lot of interests who did not support Groen or Burrage, but do support Steve Johnson- and there will be less support for Owens standing alone than when she was being helped by being tied to Alexander and Chambers.
The weakest of the incumbents now stands alone…
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2423
Carl, I thought you were Jewish? Why are you attacking RUFUS? He is a neo-con like me. We love Israel. We believe in the Bible. We know God has a special place in His Heart for Israel.
You are a jewish screwup like your mirror image and Goldie. Where is the support for your home and native land? You don’t attend synogogue? Why is that? BTW Carl without hints from the PENIS gallery of left-wing whack-jobs what is my first name?
MWS has repeatedly asked Goldie to post the JP and Hz newslinks so moonbats like yourself can really see the world. But Goldie has a shriveled set of cojones. A real man would let his “faithful” see he has the cogliones to post another view. Instead Goldie sucks “bollocks”! Too bad!
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2424
Coward- in 1994, the primaries were a true indicator of how things might go in the general, with decades of data behind the analysis. The partisan primary skews that.
The D’s will undoubtedly hold their majorities in state House and Senate, but the primary results point, at best, to modest gains- and “progressives” need to push a state Senate majority to thirty or more to overcome the moderate to conservative Democrats. Ain’t going to happen.
The absolute ineptitude of the House Republican campaign effort may let the state House Democrats get to 60 members, but that is a problem of its own.
But your biggest error is you are crowing over east King County returns that are VERY incomplete, as pointed out earlier…
King has reported no new numbers since 8:35pm…
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And to add onto my comment about 1994- I was working for a prominent Democratic campaign consultant that election. I looked at the primary results and knew we were in very, VERY big trouble.
This is 1994 Redux- but the Republicans are the ones who are going to take it in the shorts. I suspect they’ll lose 3-4 State Senate seats, 5-6 House Seats (basically, you won’t be able to find more than one or two Republican state legislators in King County…IF THAT, plus they’ll lose some other exurban/suburban races). Reichert’s in BIG trouble. McGavick, as already stated, is toast at thetop of the ticket, and the giant sucking sound you’ll hear is the sound of the national Rs withdrawing any meaningful support for him, as they are going to have to work their asses off just to keep guys like DeWine and Kyl in THEIR seats. They’re not going to have time to waste on guys 15 points down in September.
Reichert is likely to get some money and support…but man, are there going to be some LONG faces in the State Republican HQ tomorrow morning when they realize how much of a debacle Preznit Dumbass is leading them into.
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2426
Coward- in 1994, the primaries were a true indicator of how things might go in the general, with decades of data behind the analysis. The partisan primary skews that.
Um- I’ll bet you dollars to donuts it doesn’t. I’ve been watching state electoral politics for a while- and Maria Cantwell is winning in places like Island, Kitsap, Jefferson and Clallam County. And it ain’t close, either.
These are counties McGavick NEEDS to win, and big, if he has any shot. Gorton won those counties during his winning elections. The fact that McGavick’s getting killed outside the big urban areas…uh, not a good sign for the Rs. At all.
But your biggest error is you are crowing over east King County returns that are VERY incomplete, as pointed out earlier…
Dude, being even CLOSE in the 31st, which does have some returns,, BTW (and both Roaches are losing right now) is bad news for the Rs. That’s not a swing district. That’s lean R at best- mostly rural, and even the suburban parts are pretty conservative.
http://tinyurl.com/epfp8
http://tinyurl.com/zw2elI might be wrong…but if there was going to be a very strong D general election, this is what it would look like in the primaries.
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The ad was very well done. And the man is right, it’s not about farms. It’s about strip malls and condos.
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70 Puddypud,
OK, let me be clear. Israel has a right to exist. The issue is far more complicated than you have allowed here. There are hundreds, even thousands, of years of history that affects both sides. There are territorial issues and religious issues. It is not just Arabs killing Jews. Certainly that is wrong. War is always bad, and seldom justified.
My home and native land is the United States of America. I attend synogogue. I have no idea about your first name. I do not take notes on the blog. I know you as Puddy. You certainly do not post your name on a regular basis on your posts. I do.
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Carl, I thought you were Jewish?
Commentby Puddybud Mo Money Ray Nagin […..Perhaps Carl converted to Islam to “appease” the Muuuuuuuuslim terrorists?] -
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Puddybud:
“Hoo Hai b’Eeelooj'”
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Coward- we have, even after the 10:33pm King County report, 10% of precincts and 3% of voters counted in the county. You are running awful fast with little info.
But if you are right, Goldmark is finished, and Marr with his quarter million dollars is, too.
Ward ran into the absentees with Roach four years ago- so nothing has changed.
Why don’t you wait ntil we get some substantial number of returns. As usual, King County is agonizingly slow to count.
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In case anyone is keeping track of our own Mr. Pope’s race, here are the most recent numbers from the King and Snohomish County Auditor pages:
King County
Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 11857 / 269166 4.41%
Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 19
/ 660 2.88%District Court Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 3057 34.37%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 3196 35.93%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 2638 29.66%
Write-in 4 0.04%
Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23%
Current totals:
Richard Pope – 3565
Mary Ann Ottinger – 3687
Frank V. LaSalata – 2920
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PuddyPud,
Conservatives have a great deal of trouble making allowances. Dealing with change. Someone above said the issue is black and white. I beg to differ. The is more gray in this issue than that black and white you so love.
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Dude, if you think King County is going to HELP the R’s statewide, you’re drinking RNC-flavored KoolAid.
And yeah, I think Goldmark is going down. Western Idaho is a lost cause outside of Spokane, maybe Walla Walla, and even a strong D year means you lose 45-55 instead of 40-60. I was never part of that boomlet, anyway. Partisan push polls like the ones Golday cited don’t impress me. Cantwell winning TWO TO ONE in Kitsap County, though (very much aswing county, elects lots of Rs)? Blowing away McGavick in most Western Washington counties? Hell, having any kind of lead at any point in time in Okanogan County? THAT impresses me. McGavick’s done.
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The problem here is who he’s running against. It’s hard to find good help these days, especially for a job paying only $118,000 a year.
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Maybe we should outsource N.E. District Court to India.
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November 9 through 14. Just a reminder. I find it interesting that some here can just continually run their mouths from behind a keyboard, but ask them to stand behind their words……and suddenly the shadows swallow them up. Funny how that works.
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“Looking at the results, I would say the BIAW should thank the other candidates that filed against Owens as they are probably the only reason Johnson will get past the primary at this point.” Commentby JDB— 9/19/06@ 10:04 pm
All the better to bleed BIAW white! They’ll spend another million on Johnson by November — to no avail.
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I’ve never agreed with Goldy that judges should be appointed. He hasn’t lived here long enough yet to trust Washington voters, who are both populist and non-stupid. It really doesn’t matter how many millions BIAW spends; it’ll all go down a rat hole. BIAW got zero return on investment tonight.
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Coward- I’m not talking about statewide races- I’m talking about you crowing about East and South King County races where there is only 3% of the vote in…
Where less than one out of ten precincts have reported…
The data anybody needs to start analyzing is what is happening in those legislative districts- and we just don’t have that data yet. We may not for days, given the slowness of King County…
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Looks like Richard Pope is in a runoff against a judge who currently can’t sit on the bench because she’s serving a disciplinary suspension.
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Looks like it’s shaping up to be a good night for the good guys and the rethugs, well they are getting their asses kicked. The BIAW is getting beat badly. Good news! Portent of things to come.
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But after bashing BIAW, let’s talk about SEIU. Two years ago they failed to defeat Helen Sommers, but succeeded in their support of Don Benton and Joe Zarelli.
This year they failed to defeat Tim Sheldon- but which conservatives are the again supporting? Luke Esser is one…
What does the SEIU believe?
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Um, your argument boils down to this: the most Democratic and urban county in the state, on a night where Cantwell is CRUSHING McGavick WITHOUT that county, and where Republicans in places like Kitsap County and Whatcom County aren’t looking good (Doug Erikson and Lois McMahan, for starters), where Groen is going down to Alexander statewide WITHOUT those King County returns, and where admittedly small inital returns look good for the Ds as well, is going to save the Republican bacon, once King County tabulates.
That’s your argument?
Okey-doke! :D
PS: Be sure to clap harder so Tinkerbell wakes up!
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Coward- are you stupid, or just dense.
Alexander was supported by many Republicans- you don’t get to 64% in Lewis on D votes… That isn’t a D vs R race…
You think the vote in the 48th will be the same as in the 43rd? King County is not homogeneous. The Senate R’s OPPOSED McMahan, and their candidate won.
Jaspar McSlarrow is running neck and neck with- the ballot choice in the primary! There ARE no primaries in most races, so everything is skewed by whatever single race might be hot in a given locality.
It isn’t the system of 1994 or 1996 or 1998
Or 1964.
You should wander into the Pritchard where the conversation has been “How do we make sense of the raw data?
But what I can see is you are just not paying any attention.
Stay giddy- it will help screw your party in November…
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84………..North Shore…..Sandy Beach, 200 yards out………You pick the time………….
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Carl, I thought you were Jewish?
Commentby Puddybud Mo Money Ray Nagin […..Perhaps Carl converted to Islam to “appease” the Muuuuuuuuslim terrorists?] -
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John Groen is getting a smaller percentage from King County than Jeanette Burrage is:
State Supreme Court Justices of the Supreme Court – Position 8
(Precincts Counted/Total) ( 606/ 2555 ) 23.72%
John Groen NP 15711 31.81%
Gerry L. Alexander NP 33635 68.10%
Write-in 43 0.09%
State Supreme Court Justices of the Supreme Court – Position 9
(Precincts Counted/Total) ( 606/ 2555 ) 23.72%
Jeanette Burrage NP 15953 32.07%
Tom Chambers NP 33763 67.87%
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You think the vote in the 48th will be the same as in the 43rd? King County is not homogeneous. The Senate R’s OPPOSED McMahan, and their candidate won.
Of course not- Bellevue isn’t the Bellevue of 1984 or 1994, but it ain’t Capitol Hill, either. Good Lord, didn’t I just TELL you I was in Olympia working in 1994? Hint: I haven’t fallen off the turnip truck.
And this data is easy as pie to make sense of. D’s statewide seem to be running 5 to 10 points ahead of last election cycle, based on the statewide returns.
http://vote.wa.gov/Elections/P.....Party.aspx
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/ele.....ml?estat=pExtrapolate results in districts accordingly, shake and serve.
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38.15% are taking GOP ballots statewide, and 48.96% are taking DEM ballots statewide in 2006. Of course, the King County votes have yet to report in large numbers — less than 10% of the ballots counted so far statewide are from King County.
In the 2004 primary, 37.64% took GOP ballots statewide, and 53.57% took DEM ballots.
For further comparison, in the 2000 primary for Attorney General, 38.73% voted for Richard Pope and 54.51% voted for Christine Gregoire.
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Coward- take a look, as an example, at the 42nd Dist senate race.
Now, if you believe that Dale Brandland is in trouble, I’ll know you got into the BC bud…
But if Brandland ISN’T in trouble, then how do you differentiate between his challenger and Ericksen’s?
At least I know that Chris Marr isn’t finished- but by your logic he is. All yo are seeing in most of these primaries is the raw choice of party, with no option to vote real preferences- and no information extrapolable to the general.
So what did you work- one election?
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It could be a lot of people not picking a party preference. In 2004, 91.21% picked either GOP or DEM ballots (and another 1% or so took Libertarian — not available in 2006). In 2006, only 87.11% are taking either GOP or DEM ballots.
Is this 4% increase in NO PARTY coming more from the GOP or from the DEM voters in previous elections?
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November 9 through 14. Just a reminder. I find it interesting that some here can just continually run their mouths from behind a keyboard, but ask them to stand behind their words……and suddenly the shadows swallow them up. Funny how that works.
Commentby My Left Foot [………………………………………………………………Carl, Are you ready to be my new surfing buddy? It can be a little rough in the lineup. Can you breathe salt water? Just “axing”……..[A little Ebonics there just in case you can’t understand English!]
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Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH
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38.15% are taking GOP ballots statewide, and 48.96% are taking DEM ballots statewide in 2006. Of course, the King County votes have yet to report in large numbers – less than 10% of the ballots counted so far statewide are from King County.
And considering King County broke at something like 63% D ballot, 28% R ballot and 9% neither in 2004, and represents THIRD of the voting population- well, like I said, I think there’s a generic 5-10 push for having a D behind your name that you can put statewide. This means in the 4th and 5th CD, you still lose- you just don’t lose as badly. It means Reichert’s in HUGE trouble, and McGavick’s done. It also means there are a bunch of Puget Sound Republican legislators who are in for very tough races, because they’ll be fighting headwinds.
Gosh, it’s like there’s an unpopular Republican President and Congress, or something…
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If you want to see a REALLY BIG dropoff in party preferences, compare primary results in King County for 2006 versus 2003:
2006 Party Preference (D & R only): DEM 73.97%, REP 26.03%
2003 Primary, King County Assessor: Scott Noble (DEM) 62.30%, Richard Pope (REP) 37.70%
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Update, with 1230/2555 reporting (Seattle is at 899/985):
King County, 2006 Primary, Party Preference (D & R only): DEM 74.79%, REP 25.21%
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At least I know that Chris Marr isn’t finished- but by your logic he is. All yo are seeing in most of these primaries is the raw choice of party, with no option to vote real preferences- and no information extrapolable to the general.
You’re missing the point completely- because the point IS the raw choice of party. Basically, a fair chunk of people are doing what they did in 1994, voting for someone with a particular letter behind their name because they are pissed off and “sending a message”- except this time, it’s Ds instead of Rs.
I mean, really- want to speculate what explains this? The scintillating primary race between Hong Tran and Maria Cantwell that’s making all the indies go into THAT race?
Hey, find me some races where Republicans in swing legislative districts are doing WELL, and I’ll be happy to back off my assertion. I know I’m projecting off of incomplete data in King County, with a distinct possibility I eat crow tomorrow, next week, or November- and there’s still time until November.
Of course, that’s what we told ourselves in October 1994, too. Took a lot of years to gt that back.
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65 “By the way- do not forget that at 10pm you should all pull your attention away from primary returns, and tune in the season opener of Boston Legal…”
On AB-Disney-C? The “Path to 9/11” network. No thanks. Shatner can bloviate to his bathroom mirror, as far as I’m concerned.
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RICHARD POPE KICKS …
King County
Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 5794 36.39%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 5362 33.67%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 4749 29.82%
Write-in 19 0.12%
Total 15924Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23%
Total 1284Totals for Entire District
Richard Pope 6302 36.62%
Mary Ann Ottinger 5853 34.01%
Frank V. LaSalata 5031 29.24%
Write-In 22
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POPE MARGIN INCREASES WITH ALL 660 POLL PRECINCTS REPORTING:
King
Northeast Electoral District Judge Position No. 2
Richard Pope NP 7623 37.15%
Mary Ann Ottinger NP 6766 32.98%
Frank V. LaSalata NP 6100 29.73%
Write-in 28 0.14%
Total 20517Snohomish County
NORTHEAST ELECTORAL DISTRICT JUDGE POS 2
Richard Pope 508 39.56%
Mary Ann Ottinger 491 38.24%
Frank V. LaSalata 282 21.96%
Write-In 3 0.23%
Total 1284Totals for Entire District
Richard Pope 8131 37.30%
Mary Ann Ottinger 7257 33.29%
Frank V. LaSalata 6382 29.27%
Write-In 31 0.14%
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I wonder how many forgot to select what party on their ballots? My wife wanted to cross elect and was upset she couldn’t. There was one donk she liked, but we chose Republican, because anything else is not true to our neocon roots.
Oh Carl, I think it is black and white. You see I believe in Jesus. I guess from your beliefs you don’t. I believe He’s coming back because he said it in Matthew, Luke, John, and Revelation. I believe Israel is black and white. Either she has a right to exist and take out her enemies indiscriminately (as they want to do to her) or she doesn’t. Have you been watching these Jewish commercials asking for $$$ as they play the words of Whackminajab? Because if you play in grey areas, then the islamofascosts will be knocking on your door looking for good jewish donk such as you and goldie, ready to burqaize your woman. Just think when the islamofascists come looking ofr Carl and Teresa, Teresa WON’T be able to practice her job anymore. Then it’ll be too late.
Did you watch the Amazing race Monday? The two muslims would not shake the women’s hands in a good luck gesture. Well they ended up last. See ya!
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Another thing.
Since Whackminajab hates feminists, gays, abortions, etc. where are the American left on these issues. To speak out against Whackminajab would mean they are on the right of right, …uh… George Bush? Oh no! The Truth will set you free.
Where are the Nags (NOW), GLA, GLAAD, other Hershey Highway groups, Asian Pacific Sisters, Queer Asian Women’s Group of South Bay, Vietnamese Lesbians’ Group,Asian Lesbians of the East Coast, Lesbian and Bisexual Alliance, NASPA Gay, Lesbian,Bisexual & Transgendered (GLBT) Issues Knowledge Community, etc. Don’t they realize they’ll be underground when the islamofascists take over when Hilary wins in 2009? (Pun intended)
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6 AM
Darcy Burner 19529
Dave Reichert 19133Maria Cantwell 308658
Mike McGavick 207266McGavick gets 40 in a 60/40 split=toast
Peter Goldmark 32937 43%
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Darcy Burner 19529 50.5%
Dave Reichert 19133 49.4%
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Abut the Jon Kyl race in Arizona, Josh Marshall comments: “SUSA has Kyl at 48% and Pederson (D) at 43%. I’m not holding my breath on this one. But it’s looking like a real race.”
Would that put Peter Goldmark (43%) and Cathy McMorris (56%) in a “real race?”
Darcy and Gay Pride Dave sure are.
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Washington Post:
“A state judge yesterday rejected a Georgia law requiring voters to show government-issued photo identification, writing in his decision, ‘This cannot be.’ Fulton County Superior Court Judge T. Jackson Bedford Jr. said the law, pushed by Gov. Sonny Perdue (R) to fight voter fraud, violates the state constitution because it disenfranchises citizens who are otherwise qualified to vote.”
Hmmmmm….it “violates the state constitution because it disenfranchises citizens who are otherwise qualified to vote.” I’d say that would be true here also.
Washington State Constitution:
“All persons of the age of eighteen years or over who are citizens of the United States and who have lived in the state, county, and precinct thirty days immediately preceding the election at which they offer to vote, except those disqualified by Article VI, Section 3 of this Constitution, shall be entitled to vote at all elections.”It says nothing about ID, does it? If you ARE a citizen, eighteen or older,and thirty days a resident, you may NOT be kept from voting by other requirements in law. Sectin 3 disenfranchises felons and the “mentally incompetent.”
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I’m sure the people of King County will be thrilled to learn that they have a judge who writes things like
Pope kicks ….
I am starting a pool to see how long it takes Pope to get thrown off the bench if he wins. Also, isn’t it just a bit ironic that right wing freak who constantly complains abourt the government and government spending now wants to make his living by sucking on the government tit?
What a fucking hypocrite freak.
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Last night Pope held a party for all his supporters while awaiting the poll results. Only problem was nobody came except his mother and she left early!
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Hey, serious answer here. When can we leave Iraq?
I mean, if in six months, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave? If in one year, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave? If in TWO years, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave? If in FIVE years, Baghfdad is still not secure, can we leave?
And remember, the question is NOT “What conditions would have to be present on the ground in Iraq for us to leave?”
It’s “If things don’t change or keep getting worse, how long do we have to stay?”
Forever? I’d like to hear.
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The other day John F Kerry (did you know that he was a veteran that served in Vietnam?) made the pompous statement that Pres. Bush had created more terrorists since 9/11.
I wonder how he would explain the following….
Is Al Qaida seeking help from others?
By Amir Taheri, Special to Gulf News
Is Al Qaida looking for someone’s tailcoat to hang on to? The question is not fanciful.
In a little noticed statement posted on pro-Al Qaida websites last week the terrorist outfit announced an alliance with one of the deadliest armed groups in Algeria.
The Algerian outfit, known as the Salafi Group for Propagation and Armed Jihad (SGPJA), has been responsible for killing thousands of civilians, mostly women and children, over the past decade. By the year 2003, however, some experts believed that the SGPAJ had lost control of most of the “emirates” it had set up in a few remote corners of Algeria.
At one point there were even reports that its leader, one Hassan Hatab, had been killed and his chief deputies captured by government forces.
Many SGPAJ’s ghazis (holy raiders) had fled to Morocco, Niger and Mauritania where they went underground. Dozens made their way to Europe, especially Spain, France and Belgium where they have been waiting for a fresh call to jihad.
According to French sources the SGPAJ may have the largest number of “sleepers” in continental Europe backed by a well-established network of money laundering and arms smuggling.
In his recent talks with the Bush administration, France’s Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, singled out the SGPJA and its smaller ally the Islamic Armed Group (GIA) as the deadliest terrorist threats to Europe today.
So, why would Al Qaida want to forge an alliance with the SGPAJ that has so far not shown much interest in operations outside Algeria?
One reason may be that Al Qaida, having lost much of its logistics networks in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Middle East, might be looking to SGPAJ to help it make up the loss by offering it facilities in Europe and North Africa.
Another reason may be the ascendance of the so-called “regionalists” in Al Qaida’s internal debate. The “regionalists” argue that the 9/11 attack against the United States was premature, and that Al Qaida should have focused on winning control of several Muslim countries before starting a war against the “infidel”.
The “regionalists” wanted Al Qaida to use Afghanistan as a base from which to seize control first of Pakistan and then of Saudi Arabia and, perhaps, a couple of other oil-rich states.
The “regionalist” option, was initially advocated by Abdullah Al Azzam, Al Qaida’s spiritual founder in the 1980s.
In his treatise on jihad, Al Azzam expressly limited “holy war” to Muslim lands under non-Muslim occupation or impious rule. He wrote: “Jihad today is individually obligatory (fard ‘ayn), by self and wealth, on every Muslim and the Islamic community remains sinful until the last piece of Islamic land is freed from the hands of the infidel.”
Efficient way
That view was rejected by the “globalist” group as early as the mid-1990s. The “globalists” claimed that the most efficient way of waging jihad was to attack the “infidel” in their heartland, thus forcing them to end their support for existing Muslim governments. Once that support is gone, so the argument went, Al Qaida could seize power in a number of Muslim states.
Although any rigid divisions within Al Qaida leadership may be misplaced, it is generally assumed that the Egyptian Ayman Al Zawahiri is the standard-bearer of the “regionalists” while Saudi-born Osama Bin Laden represents the “globalists”.
Over the past five years Bin Laden’s direct influence on the jihadist movement has faded and Al Zawahiri’s has increased.
This may be one reason for the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan where Mullah Mohammad Omar, backed by Al Qaida’s Pakistani branch, is seeking to set up a mini-emirate in the desolate wastelands bordering Iran and Pakistan in alliance with the Pushtun warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
The problem with Al Zawahiri’s “regionalist” scenario is that Al Qaida has lost much of the sympathy and support it once enjoyed amongst Islamist groups from North Africa to the Indian subcontinent.
The Muslim Brotherhood, arguably the oldest fundamentalist group in modern Islam, began distancing itself from Al Qaida in the early 1990s, opening the path for a new strategy for winning power through permeation, infiltration and elections rather than violence and terror. Today, the largest branches of the Brotherhood, in Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian territory, go out of their way to demarcate themselves from Al Qaida.
The next Islamist group to reject Al Qaida after 9/11 was the Sudanese National Islamic Front (NIF) whose leader Hassan Al Turabi had concluded an alliance with Bin Laden in 1993.
Under attack
More recently, Al Qaida has come under attack from the Egyptian Islamic Society (Gama’a Islamiyah), a terrorist outfit that assassinated president Anwar Sadat and fought the government for two decades.
In a book entitled Islam And The Way of War, the Gama’a, to which Al Zawahiri once belonged, rejects every aspect of Al Qaida’s ideology as “anti-Islamic”. It says that killing civilians on any excuse is murder and those responsible, far from being martyrs, are destined for the “lowest recesses of hell”. The book condemns suicide bombings, the chopping of heads and the seizure of hostages.
The Gama’a even endorses cooperation between Muslims and non-Muslims against aggressors, and, as an example, cites the Saudi-American alliance against Saddam Hussain in 1991 to liberate Kuwait. More significantly, perhaps, the Gama’a declares that : “No one has the right to describe another Muslim as impious”.
The “regionalist” strategy has suffered other setbacks.
Despite slaughtering large numbers of civilians in Iraq, the insurgents allied to Al Qaida have made no political gains. They were unable to prevent any of the municipal, parliamentary and constitutional elections held since 2003 and failed to sabotage the transition of power to a governing council and, later, to an elected government in Baghdad.
They have also failed to prevent the creation of a new Iraqi army and police that are growing in strength and experience every day. The insurgents have also failed to break the morale of the American people and force a cut-and-run posture on the Bush administration.
It is not only in Iraq that the jihadists have suffered large losses without making any political headway. In Saudi Arabia, almost all of Al Qaida’s cells in the key region of Qasim have been destroyed. By the latest count over 800 terrorist have been killed since 2002 and many more captured. A “re-education” programme to bring Al Qaida operatives back to normal life has helped hundreds of young men shed their jihadist past since 2005.
The recent resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan has not produced any happier results for the “regionalist” strategy. Although the Taliban have given Nato forces a run for their money, they themselves have suffered losses at levels that cannot be sustained for long.
Al Qaida’s alliance with the SGPAJ is an act of desperation.
Al Zawahiri may want to revive the terrorist campaign in Algeria or, perhaps, heat things up in Morocco and Tunisia. He may even dream of spectacular operations in western Europe in the hope of reviving Al Qaida’s fading fortunes. His strategy, however, is as doomed as that of Bin Laden who had assumed that he could become master of the world with a few spectacular raids against the “infidel”.
Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.
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115 PuddyPud and Jaybo at 126
I am far more concerned with the Christian RightWingNuts foisting their beliefs on me through controlling the judiciary, the abuse of power, and the use of scare tactics, than I am of the Taliban knocking on my door to offer Teresa a Burka. Why is that? Well, let me explain.
The Taliban are open about their desire and methods. When the they come to the door, metaphorically speaking, I can greet them the American way. With a steely gaze, determination in my heart and the soul of a free man who will not go quietly into the night.
What you Christian RightWingNuts are doing is far more insidious. You are attempting to take my freedoms one at time. Sneaking them out the back door, hoping no one is noticing. We have noticed. We have noticed the lies. We have noticed the encroachments on our personal freedoms.
Oh, it started small. Fining Janet Jackson, fining Howard Stern (he is disgusting, but that is his right), then there is the Patriot Act which gave the government far too much freedom to spy on Americans, then the President said ” the constitution be damned! I am the President, I have the authority to do as I please”. Now he wants to make torture legal. Once we accept it for “foreign” threats, just exactly how long do you think it will be before it is used against our own citizens? If you don’t think so, then you are a bigger fool than I already know you to be.
Your problem is one of myopic vision. You see one thing at a time. You fail to see these issues together for what they are. An assault on our way of life. The power should belong to the people, not to a political party. Your party is trying to destroy the opposition. If you should succeed, it will be only a matter of time before you are subject to the party, and not the other way around. (See Nazi Germany)
As for me, I will would rather die defending our constitution and our freedoms. I will submit to no man. For me, it is far more preferable to die a free man rather than be subjected to bending on my knee in weakness and fear.
But you go on ahead, keep believing in Jesus. The last time I was in battle I did not notice him next to me taking an enemy bullet, running to avoid mortar fire, crawling through muck or staring into the face of a dead soldier. I did notice the other soldiers, brave men doing an awful job. Not for the money, but for the love of their country and constitution. Jesus had nothing to do with it.
Have a good day. You and Jesus.
I wonder how long (I give it an hour) before Janet S. or some other Christian RightWingNut attacks me for blasphemy and outright moral and intellectual confusion for my view. I just don’t think that Jesus would sanction the violence the Christian RightWingNuts have, with so little regard for life, merrily engaged this country in.
The military is a necessary evil. Its purpose is to defend. Not to attack. This nation, until George W. Bush changed things, was never in the business of peremptorily striking. We have never been the aggressor. When you deal from a position of defense, you make it harder for the enemy to advance. When you attack, you are open to counter attack, your assets are spread thinner and you get bogged down. Iraq anyone?
Now the Christian RightWingNuts are making noises about North Korea, Iran and Syria. Just how many fronts can we fight on? Are you ready to accept a draft again? Because the young men of this country are not going to volunteer for service. Would you? Knowing that in just 12 weeks your ass will be in a sand bunker in a foreign land, begging this Jesus fellow to keep you alive, while the politicians at home are planning the next “preemptive” strike in the name of freedom. Tell me, Puddy, MTR, MWS, Janet, JCH, Jim King. Tell me, would you put your ass on the line? This is the future of America that the Christian RightWingNuts are running toward, full steam ahead.
I want no part of it. I will stop you. I am the majority of Americans who believe this country is on the wrong track. I am the 60 percent of Americans who now know that George W. Bush is doing a horrible job. He can’t talk. He can’t think. He can’t lead. I am the 60+ percent of Americans who know that we have no more business in Iraq. I am the 60 percent of Americans who have had enough.
We want, and are taking, our damn country back.
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Carl GrossmanThe difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has its limits.
Note to Jaybo: Try writing in your own words. The cut and pasts shows what follower you are. In addition, your “source” is not exactly a respected outlet.
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Ok, it seems the appropriate point to congratulate Mr. Pope.
An interesting race, which I had not looked into, as I do not live in that district. It seems that Mr. Pope’s opponents battled each other, while ignoring him. Bad mistake on thier part, but from what I read, I would probably have voted for Mr. Pope myself.
Ms. Ottinger (the incumbent) has multiple violations of defendant’s rights on her record, and has been censured more than once by the Committee for Judical Conduct.
Mr. LaSalata ran a campaign that was, in essence, “I’m not her!” He pointed out all her flaws, while giving very little about what he would do. After reading his campaign webpage, I found myself unimpressed.
I understand that you will now face Ms. Ottinger on the November ballot. Good luck to you in the general election.
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It would be nice if the No on 933 camp would try something new. TELLING THE TRUTH!
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Carl
I’m not going to take you to task, a I think your words are far closer to what Jesus would have us do than are the words of some of the folks you’re addressing.
I do wish, however, that you would note that the “Christians” that are continually supporting aggressive wars are in the minority. Perhaps this is a wonderful example to compare to the Muslims that are bent on jihad.
Between the National Council of Churches and the Roman Catholic Church, the vast majority of Christians here in the United States have come out in opposition to wars of aggression, such as what we are now doing in Iraq, and what is being proposed for Iran, North Korea and others.
“Who would Jesus bomb?” seems an appropriate question.
I would say that Jesus is in the battlefields, comforting the wounded and giving strength to those facing the horror of battle. One of the odd things we believe is that he supports us even when we are doing things he hates, if we are doing them because we believe it is what we are called to do. It is said by Christians that in WWII, German and American soldiers that killed each other in battle would be surprised to find themselves as brothers in paradise.
As to the comments about Israel, well, you know better than I how many times God has gotten annoyed with them, scattered them, then brought them back together when they repented. He seems to hold the Jewish people to a pretty high standard of conduct. Will it happen again? That’s not up to me, and not for me to say. (I do not claim to completely understand God’s plan, and have noticed that most prophecy is best understood immediately after we have tripped over it, falling on our faces once again.)
As you may be able to tell, I am also trying to be a Christian. Whether I’ve made it or not is again, not for me to say.
But please remember, words are powerful things. When you use the word “Christian” to mean only those folks on the far right, you make the same mistake they do when they use “Muslim” to mean only those folks bent on jihad.
It is an easy leap to make from that point to believing that the small part really does represent the whole. You can see that on these boards.
Words are powerful. “In the beginning was the word.”
Shalom, my friend.
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Commentby jaybo— 9/20/06@ 8:32 am
Interesting reading. What I gather is that Muslim countries and groups are working very hard to reduce the influence of the small minority of Muslims that are bent on jihad.
Muslims in countries all around the region are speaking out against the violence, saying loud and long that it is against Islam and cannot be condoned.
From your post:
“In a book entitled Islam And The Way of War, the Gama’a, to which Al Zawahiri once belonged, rejects every aspect of Al Qaida’s ideology as “anti-Islamic”. It says that killing civilians on any excuse is murder and those responsible, far from being martyrs, are destined for the “lowest recesses of hell”. The book condemns suicide bombings, the chopping of heads and the seizure of hostages.
Islamic countries and groups are working both together and individually to reeducate those that have been taken in by the terrorist’s propaganda and are being shown the errors in the jihadist’s interpretation of the Qur’an.
“A “re-education” programme to bring Al Qaida operatives back to normal life has helped hundreds of young men shed their jihadist past since 2005.”
Some of the groups are pretty militant themselves, but still condemn the type of violence that we use as an excuse to paint all Muslims as “evil”. Wow. Even the Muslim militants see the small minority that are bent on jihad as being “anti-Islamic”. They seem to look at these folks the way Christians look at Mr. McVey and his ilk.
Very interesting reading. Perhaps some of your fellow right-wing types should consider what your post says, when they call Islam a “Religion of violence”.
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John,
I am offended by the attack on my sensibilities by the present administration. The use of the words “terrorist, terrorism and now Islamo-fascists” is where I learned the value of branding.
Of course I don’t believe that all Christians are RightWingNuts, the same as I don’t believe that all Muslims are terrorists. The problem is that this administration is painting that very picture. If I learned anything in my life, it is that you must meet force with at least equal force, or, you have already lost.
I did not mean to offend anyone. That is not entirely true. I was hoping to get them to think. Just a bit.
Carl Grossman
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I don’t know much about 933 beyond that it would support far more development than current regulations, and I hate to see more scalped hilltops and condo-filled valleys like I saw when I lived in Cali. I haven’t finished reading it (933), but in some localities the local “property rights” Republicans have tried to pass legislation that would require “highest use” compensation for old shitty pieces of perperty regardless of the use the property owner actually intends. I don’t agree with that.
Here’s some stuff though:
– The initiative would eliminate a wide range of policies that protect farmland and agricultural communities. Under I-933, farms would be threatened by irresponsible development, we’d see more conflicts between encroaching suburban residents and farmers, increased traffic and in many places the disappearance of family farms and rural lifestyle.
– I-933 will require counties to waive reasonable limits on the number of homes that can be built in agricultural zones. Irresponsible developers can build as many homes as wells and septic tanks can support. All of these houses will interfere with normal farming practices due to complaints about smells, dust, and noise.
– Use of exempt wells for homes in irresponsible developments will reduce the water available to senior water rights holders, including many farmers. Farmers will bear the cost of defending their water rights against those new homes using exempt wells.
– I-933 will require counties and cities to waive measures necessary to qualify for federal flood insurance. As result of waiving these protections, the federal government will suspend the county or city from the program leaving property owners unable to renew their flood insurance when it expires each year. Federally insured and regulated loans will become due and payable in full, including loans from the Farmers Home Administration. Since federally insured and regulated loans make up about 90 percent of available financing for land, land in flood plains will likely decline in value.
– I-933’s exemptions only apply to “restrictions that apply equally to all property subject to the agency’s jurisdiction…” Meaning that if the Washington State Department of Agriculture needs to use a quarantine to protect crops or animals, it will have to be a statewide quarantine — putting Washington’s agricultural industry on hold.
– I-933’s health and safety exemption only applies to “an immediate threat to human health and safety.” Threats to crops and livestock are not exempt.
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Commentby My Left Foot— 9/20/06@ 9:39 am
“If I learned anything in my life, it is that you must meet force with at least equal force, or, you have already lost.
Perhaps some things taught to me in my ill-spent youth would explain the difference in our philosophies about this.
My friends and I all studied martial arts, at least to some extent. Most chose Karate or one of the other aggessive forms. I studied Judo.
Judo does not tend to match force with force. Rather, it uses the opposing fighter’s force against him. It makes for a poor offense, as if the other fellow refuses combat, there is no battle.
When my friends and I occasionally matched up in the dojo (or on the exercise mats in the garage) I simply waited until my opponent threw the first punch or kick. Then they found themselves on the mat, looking stunned, with me smiling down on them, hair hardly mussed. Our battles got to be rather dull, as they learned that if they attacked, they lost.
(They also learned that if they could goad me into attacking, I lost, and quite painfully, I might add.)
Force against force is not the most efficient or effective way.
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Jewish Americans continue to be marginalized by leftist organizations that once supported them. The new “liberal-antisemitic movement” continues to grow…..
Firestorm grows; past recipient returns his own award
BY BRAD A. GREENBERG, Staff WriterThe firestorm over the county Commission on Human Relations’ decision to honor a local Muslim who has called Israel an “apartheid state” intensified Tuesday when a former recipient returned his award.
Steven Windmueller, interim dean of Hebrew Union College and a 1995 honoree, said the commission’s selection of Maher Hathout denigrated the legacy of the award’s namesake, John Allen Buggs.
“Buggs understood the art of negotiation, the value of integrity and the need for transparency. These themes should, in my judgment, reflect those who are so honored to receive this recognition. Sadly, I return this piece of art as my statement that in this instance the Commission has not met the standards set for us by John Allen Buggs,” Windmueller wrote in a letter included with the award, which he returned by mail Tuesday afternoon.
Hathout, a 70-year-old retired cardiologist, was known as a bridge builder locally. But last month, his sharp criticism of Israel was publicized, outraging many of L.A.’s largest Jewish organizations.
“Everyone has their issues and their swords they want to fall on. I guess this is the one (Windmueller) wants to fall on,” said the Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout. “I don’t see it as that big of an issue, but if he wants to make this his issue, I won’t hold it against him. I’ll keep him in prayer.”
Commission President Adrian Dove said it was unfortunate Windmueller had decided to return his award, which he received for work with the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles.
“We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge. While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,” Dove said.
“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”
Hathout and the L.A.-based Muslim Public Affairs Council, which he co-founded, did not respond to a request for comment.
Buggs was the first executive director of what is now known as the Commission on Human Relations, the first of its kind nationwide. He later left for Washington, where he led the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.
Windmueller sent the commission a letter last week stating his intention to return his award if Hathout’s selection was affirmed at a hearing Monday. It’s not clear whether the commissioners saw his letter.
“We have just been getting hundreds of letters both for and against,” said Robin S. Toma, the executive director. “That one could have just slipped between the cracks.”
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In case you are wondering what kind of organization the Muslim Public Affairs Council is……
IN THE NEWS: MPAC Debates Simon Wiesenthal Center on LA Times’ Coverage of Middle East Crisis
August 22, 2006The following op-eds appeared in the “OUTSIDE THE TENT” column of the Los Angeles Times on August 13, 2006. “Outside the Tent” is an occasional column in which the LA Times invites outside critics to take their best shot at the newspaper.
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WHY DOES THIS PAPER TAKE ISRAEL’S SIDE? ASK MUSLIM LEADERS
By Salam Al-Marayati and Edina LekovicTHE TIMES has a daunting task in covering an unexpected and brutal war such as the one spiraling out of control in Israel and Lebanon. By and large, its news pages have fairly and accurately reported the conflict …#34; Israel’s claims for and execution of its military assault, the rising toll of Lebanese civilian casualties and the destruction of Lebanon’s newly rebuilt infrastructure.
The problem is what’s not reported, particularly when it comes to Hezbollah. True, the group is on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations. But there is scant mention in The Times that the Muslim world does not equate Al Qaeda with Hezbollah, which was founded in 1982 when Israel last invaded Lebanon. Nor is there much mention of growing Muslim opposition to the U.S. because of its perceived blanket endorsement of Israel’s policies.
And Muslims are outraged as anyone by the targeting of civilian lives by Hezbollah and Israel. But you wouldn’t know that from reading The Times either.
What The Times’ Megan Stack, who has been stationed in southern Lebanon, recently told the Columbia Journalism Review Daily just doesn’t come through in the newspaper’s daily coverage. “The thing about Hezbollah that I think is often misunderstood is that it’s not just an army, it’s a massive political party and it’s a massive social welfare network. So when you think about Hezbollah, you kind of think of them on different planes….”
Also, headlines and stories sometimes collide, to misleading effect. On Aug. 3, the headline on the story reporting the paper’s poll results on the Lebanese-Israeli war read: “Most Back Israel, Split on U.S. Role.” But the article suggested anything but strong support: Respondents who thought Israel’s actions were either unjustified or excessively harsh edged out those who described them as justified and not harsh.
In general, Israel’s motives for and justifications of its handling of the war …#34; including its claim that Hezbollah fighters are hiding among civilians …#34; have gone undisputed by reputable authorities. Nowhere is this more obvious than on The Times’ Op-Ed page, where for every 10 articles supporting Israel, one criticized the country’s military operations and Washington’s unflinching support for them.
However, Human Rights Watch recently issued a report, titled “Fatal Strikes,” that disputed Israel’s claim that Hezbollah uses human shields. Of the several dozen cases it studied, there was no evidence that supported Israel’s claims. The Times has yet to mention this report in any story, nor has it investigated the claim itself.
The paper’s feature stories on the war also reveal bias. A recent profile gave flattering treatment to American Jews who have joined the Israeli Defense Forces to fight in Lebanon and the Palestinian Territories. Yet Muslim Americans are often stereotyped as anti-American in reports on their relief efforts for Lebanese and Palestinian civilians because many of their charities have been shut down by the U.S. government over allegations that they finance terrorists.
It seems that everything in U.S. politics has two sides except our policies in the Middle East. Regrettably, The Times’ reporting and analyses too often reflect that one-sidedness. It needs to give more attention to the other side to foster a healthier civil discourse on this important issue.
SALAM AL-MARAYATI is executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. EDINA LEKOVIC is the council’s communications director.
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jaybo:
If you really want to hear about a pompous statement, check out the one made by George W. Bush (he avoided serving in Viet Nam, did you know that):
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Not really telling the whole story, “jaybo.” First, you assert that the Commission on Human Relations is a “leftist organization.” Please give us your reasons for thinking so, besides the obvious one that conservatives don’t give a crap about human relations.
But it seems that in the wake of comment and complaint, including what’s-his-name returning his award, the Commission reopened its July decision selecting Hathout. And it further seems that Hathout’s supporters, who spanned a wide ethnic and religious spectrum, called him a pioneer in promoting moderation, tolerance and understanding. Also, Hathout himself, in remarks before the commission vote, offered to meet in a dialogue with critics and expressed regrets for his previous harsh language toward Israel. They affirmed the decision with a 4-1 vote.
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Huh.
So the Muslim Public Affairs Council points out that Hezbollah runs a massive social welfarte network in Lebanon, and that they are a major political party there. They also point out that Human Rights Watch doesn’t really buy the Israeli claims about Hezbollah “uses human shields” that Israel uses to justify the HUGE civilain deth toll in its attacks.
They must be terrorists at that damn Council. Who else would point out such facts?
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Daddy Love @ 39,
Methinks that you may have some anti-semitic tendencies also……
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jaybo
Again, one might ask what reasons you have for making such a statement. If, for example, you had none, one might suspect you of flinging mud to avoid responding rationally to criticism.
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Emile Nakhleh, who until recently worked for the CIA as head of its Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program, says regarding the likely political fallout from the Iraqi debacle and from the failures of the ‘war on terrorism’ that “We’ve lost a generation of goodwill in the Muslim world…Because of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and other abuses we have lost on the concepts of justice, fairness and the rule of law, and that’s the heart of the American idea.” Nakhleh also says that the CIA knew full well that Saddam Hussein never had any serious connection to al-Qaeda, that Guantanamo is full of detainees known to be innocent, and that killing terrorists isn’t enough to end terrorism. Read the whole thing.
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then again, jaybo, parhaps all you are capable of unaided is flinging invective, while you depend on pasting the thoughts of others to appear reasoned.
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Daddy Love, Daddy Love, Daddy Love …..
Hmmmm….
Sounds like a kinda kinky name to me.
Lock up the sheep!
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Hates “Americafirst” @ 14:
You truly are one big FUCKING idiot aren’t you? Rhetorical question, I know.
It’s just like a conservative to make a fucking whiney ass point about FEMA spending (wasting, whatever) $7,800 for a whole day of job training that nobody took, while we’re squandering that much every 101 seconds in Iraq, every minute of every hour, of every day, of every week, of every month, of every quarter, of every year for 3 1/2 years, while Bush says some other US President is going to have to extract the US from his big fucking mess he lied us into for another 3-5 years!
God Damn it!
No wonder we’ve ran our national debt to almost 10 TRILLION dollars on George Bush’s and the Rubberstamp Republican Congress’ watch.
Talk about having to create another category to describe stupid; I move to make the term “Republican” as the most asinine, stupid, low-life, criminal category of dumb possible.
Anyone second that motion?
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“I did not defend my husband.”
Teresa
Commentby Mrs Left Foot […………Right!!! ROTFLMAO!! Perhaps you could sue everyone who makes fun of Carl! That should keep you busy!!]
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And yet they still get on TV claiming that the United States Government “OWES THEM”………[ Is that GBS and Carl Grossman holding signs that say “BUSH NO GOOD! BUSH NO GOOD!”?]
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September 15 was an important day for the Imperial Federal Government of the United States. It was the day that quarterly tax payments are due. This is one of four times a year when businesses have to pay their estimated taxes. And what a haul it was for the Feds…in fact, they raked in so much money, they set a record.
$85.8 billion dollars was taken in…all in one day. This is a 20% increase over last year….twenty percent! And to think some people actually think the government doesn’t have enough money. We gotta “pay off” the deficit you know. The fact that so much money flowed into the treasury at once is important for a few reasons.
One, the economy continues to go like gangbusters. We are right in the middle of an historic economic boom. Don’t let the mainstream media or the Democrats tell you otherwise…we’ve never had it so good. Add on top of that falling gas prices and we’ve got a great economic situation. In addition, the fact that tax receipts jumped 20% shows us that the Bush tax cuts are working just as they intended.
Second, the fact that so much money was confiscated by the federal government in a single 24 hour period tells us something else. The government is too big…and it’s become so large under a Republican administration and a Republican Congress. The Reagan Revolution is official dead among “conservative” politicians.
Wait! One more thing! What about those horrible Bush tax cuts? I thought the government was starving for the money it needed because the rich were getting away with murder! Well, once again we see that cutting taxes on the productive class actually leads to higher government tax revenues. That’s a lesson the left will never learn.
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Mr. LaSalata ran a campaign that was, in essence, “I’m not her!” He pointed out all her flaws, while giving very little about what he would do. After reading his campaign webpage, I found myself unimpressed.
John Barelli: Isn’t that the basis for Darcy’s candidacy? Isn’t that the basis for monay a moonbat running for congress this year?
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monay should be many
Open thread
Yup, that’s Sen. Joe Lieberman’s car, and yes, it is parked in a handicapped spot. Campaign ad courtesy of The General.
And speaking of The General’s site, Darryl‘s posted a letter to John N. Nordstrom, thanking him for his contributions to the Christian Identity Movement.
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“Allah Akhbar!” [Carl Grossman]
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Foreign car? Hmmmm, License plate number 2? Who has number 1? Just wondering.
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“Everyone sit down! The terrorists have assured me that they will land the plane safely at JFK! We must chant ‘BUSH NO GOOD! BUSH NO GOOD!’” [Carl Grossman]
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1
The love/obsession continues.
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“Allah Akhbar!” [Carl Grossman]
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Bush no good! Bush no good! Bush no good!
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Bush no good! Bush no good! Bush no good!
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Bush no good! Bush no good! Bush no good!
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November 9 through 14.
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“You think government work is easy?”
Commentby Roger Rabbit [………………………………………………………………………..Er, RR, yeah, I do. That’s where Democrat hacks like you hide because you can’t or won’t make it in the evil private sector.] -
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“Everyone sit down! The terrorists have assured me that they will land the plane safely at JFK! We must chant ‘BUSH NO GOOD! BUSH NO GOOD!’” [Carl Grossman]
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“I was worth every penny the government paid me, and then some.”
Commentby Roger Rabbit [……………………………………………………………………..Is there ANY “guvment” hack that doesn’t think this? BTW, The TAXPAYERS pay you, not the “guvment”.]
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Carl, Didn’t Mrs. Grossman ORDER you not to respond to Doctor JCH Kennedy? No blow job for you tonight!!!
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Hmmm, Roger, my son is a Government Employee. His job is easy according to the Pacific loser. My son is an Army Ranger. He would like to meet the island dweller too. See if he has a voice when confronted in person. I just want to have a beer with him.
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Making comments and suddenly someone thinks I am responding to him. Wow! Huge ego. I love mocking.
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If JCH had been successful, he wouldn’t be forced to live in a lousy $1.5 million condo in Hawaii, he’d have a real house.
Commentby Roger Rabbit [Green eyes, Roger? Green eyes?]
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No wonder why the wingnuts continue to panic:
September 18, 2006
The battle for control of the U.S. Senate is getting closer—much closer. Little more than a week ago, our Balance of Power summary showed the Republicans leading 50-45 with five states in the Toss-Up category. Today, Rasmussen Reports is changing three races from “Toss-Up” to “Leans Democrat.” As a result, Rasmussen Reports now rates 49 seats as Republican or Leans Republican while 48 seats are rated as Democrat or Leans Democrat (see State-by-State Summary). There are now just three states in the Toss-Up category–Tennessee, New Jersey, and Missouri.
Today’s changes all involve Republican incumbents who have been struggling all year. In Montana, Senator Conrad Burns (R) has fallen behind Jon Tester (D). Rhode Island Senator Lincoln Chafee (R) survived his primary but starts the General Election as a decided underdog. Sherrod Brown (D) is enjoying a growing lead over Ohio Senator Mike DeWine (R).
http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....fPower.htm
Wow, the Republicans thought they had turned things around. Turns out their bounce from 9/11 lasted less than three days. Even with gas coming down, Republicans are going down the drain.
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And all of you Republicans that were happy with a one day spike in Rasmussen, this is why you never get happy with a one day spike:
September 18, 2006
Photo Courtesy of whitehouse.gov Today, 41% of American adults approve of the way that President Bush is performing his job and 58% disapprove. That’s about where the numbers were before the President’s 9/11 speech.
Overall, only 19% of Americans Strongly Approve and 42% Strongly Disapprove
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Well, at least the Republicans can take solace in the fact that Dan Quayle keeps gaining acceptance.
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Hey Left Foot-
Do you drive with it too? Cars don’t get much more American than a Lincoln Grand Marquis, dumbass.
You let your BDS morph into blind LDS, and I don’t mean the Mormon church.
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Roger, The answer to ALL your questions: BRK-B BERKSHIRE
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A lot of Army Rangers seem to have liberal fathers…….
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@12
I’m with Roger on that!
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sgmmac
A lot of everyone have liberal fathers.
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And some Army Rangers are liberals…
Pat Tillman, case in point, who called the invasion and occupation of Iraq “so fucking illegal” and who mother quotes Pat as being “totally against Bush.”
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I wouldn’t be surprised if that AWOL coward Bush had Tillman gunned down by friendly fire. That’s the kind of chickenshit move you’d expect from the Bush regime.
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“I’m Joe Lieberman, and I pushed a cripple out of the way to bring you this message.”
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#27 – “I’m Joe Lieberman, and I’ll be the one representating CT in the Senate in 2007, while Ned Lament goes back to making millions ripping off the consumer.”
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Carl Grossman Liberal, Democrats
Son, Army Ranger, Liberal, Democrat.
Speaking to him, his feeling is that most of the men he around are either liberal or liberal leaning. There are no openly Republican members of his unit. They all volunteered, first for the military and then to be Rangers. Strike anyone else as funny that Republicans have no problem sending young people off to war (unnecessarily) and yet their children are nowhere to be found?
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“Strike anyone else as funny that Republicans have no problem sending young people off to war (unnecessarily) and yet their children are nowhere to be found?” [Carl Grossman] [Er, Carl, Why not try the commissioned officers? hehe, JCH]
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“Allah Akhbar!” [Carl Grossman]
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I agree, there are many liberals in the military. Makes you wonder why Gore didn’t want their votes counted in Florida…….
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“I’ll blow you for five bucks, just don’t get any in my eye.” –John Craig Herman.
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Jerry Branson is a real funny guy!
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“I’ll blow you for five bucks, just don’t get any in my eye.”
Commentby JDB
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Now we know Mrs Grossman is a lawyer. A moonbat lawyer to boot!Puddy, You got to Mrs Grossman. Good job. You give her an assist and what does she do Attack you! “She can’t take on JCH.”
Commentby Mike Webb SUCKS
“She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She c”She can’t take on JCH.” an’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” “She can’t take on JCH.” ……………………………..hehe, JCH -
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Commentby sgmmac— 9/18/06@ 2:38 pm
I agree, there are many liberals in the military. Makes you wonder why Gore didn’t want their votes counted in Florida…….
Actually, I think the issue was a bunch of absentee ballots with no postmark that just “showed up” in the military postal service.
Since I have a bit of experience with the Navy’s postal service, I know that for this to happen, several people in the chain would have to have been so derelict in their duties as to be in danger of some jail time. The Postal Clerk would be immediately relieved of duty and his PC designation would be removed, as he would never be allowed to handle official mail again.
If he was lucky, and took immediate action, the ship’s Commanding Officer and Executive Officer would probably only get a non-punative letters, effectively ending any hope they might have of reaching flag rank.
Pretty much everyone else in the postal chain would be toast.
Navy Post Offices routinely handle classified material up to Secret. They are very careful to ensure that all mail is properly handled, and they know how important a postmark is to all mail, but especially to time-sensitive material such as ballots.
The one weak spot I can see in the chain is when mail bags are transferred between ships and from ship to shore. My understanding was that the mail bag full of ballots was not only unpostmarked, but also did not have the appropriate seals required by Post Office and Navy mail handling regulations.
Essentially, someone either was trying to pull a fast one and slip in some bogus ballots, or some ship had the most incompetent post office in the fleet.
Two scenerios, you tell me which seems more likely.
1. A Navy Postal Clerk (with at least a Secret clearance and lots of official checks on his work) gathers up a mail bag full of ballots, neglects to postmark any of them, does not properly seal the bag and puts it into the mail system, despite having been told on numerous occasions throughout his training that this is a Court-Martial offence and could get him time in Federal Prison.
2. Someone with a passing understanding of the postal system gets ahold of a mail bag (pretty easy). The ship did a “who voted” survey (rather common), and he got a copy. His candidate is losing by only a few votes. He spends a dull evening filling out the Federal Postcard ballots for each of the folks that said they didn’t vote, puts them in the mail bag and tosses that bag on the pile.
Without a full investigation of the possible fraud involved, I wouldn’t have wanted them counted either. Since the Republicans made such a big stink about those ballots, I doubt that they ever really investigated the circumstances surrounding them.
But every person I know with even a passing understanding of the Navy Postal system (even some Republicans) thinks they were bogus.
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John, you need to Google the Gore FLA Lawsuits. He went after the military vote because his handlers (Tort Lawyers) felt the vote was 70/30 against. In the end it was 58/42.
Puddy posted all this many times. I remember it. Furball should remember it. Wait, Furball has memory issues. It seems SgmMac remembered it.
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Oh moonbats, looks like Elton John has it right:
“Elton John says he’s glad he got hitched to long-time partner David Furnish. Just don’t call him “married.”
“I hate people saying I’m married,” John told the London Mirror. “Marriage is a heterosexual term for men and women. We’ve got a civil partnership. It’s not a religious ceremony and I didn’t want to get married. I just wanted a lifetime commitment.””
The moonbats will start a large bonfire of Elton John CDs, records, and music sheets because he just broke Omerta!
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Must be good blue state parents: http://www.breitbart.com/news/.....CIT80.html
Was this Carl and Teresa’s distant cousins at work?
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008958
REMEMBERING 9/11
The Path to Hysteria My sin was to write a screenplay accurately depicting Bill Clinton’s record on terrorism.
BY CYRUS NOWRASTEH Monday, September 18, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT
I am neither an activist, politician or partisan, nor an ideologue of any stripe. What I am is a writer who takes his job very seriously, as do most of my colleagues: Also, one who recently took on the most distressing and important story it will ever fall to me to tell. I considered it a privilege when asked to write the script for “The Path to 9/11.” I felt duty-bound from the outset to focus on a single goal–to represent our recent pre-9/11 history as the evidence revealed it to be. The American people deserve to know that history: They have paid for it in blood. Like all Americans, I wish it were not so. I wish there were no terrorists. I wish there had been no 9/11. I wish we could squabble among ourselves in assured security. But wishes avail nothing.
My Iranian parents fled tyranny and oppression. I know and appreciate deeply the sanctuary America has offered. Only in this country could a person such as I have had the life, liberty and opportunity that I have had. No one needs to remind me of this–I know it every single day. I know, too, as does everyone involved in the production, that we kept uppermost in our minds the need for due diligence in the delivery of this history. Fact-checkers and lawyers scrutinized every detail, every line, every scene. There were hundreds of pages of annotations. We were informed by multiple advisers and interviews with people involved in the events–and books, including in a most important way the 9/11 Commission Report.
It would have been good to be able to report due diligence on the part of those who judged the film, the ones who held forth on it before watching a moment of it. Instead, in the rush to judgment, and the effort to portray the series as the work of a right-wing zealot, much was made of my “friendship” with Rush Limbaugh (a connection limited to two social encounters), but nothing of any acquaintance with well-known names on the other side of the political spectrum. No reference to Abby Mann, for instance, with whom I worked on “10,000 Black Men Named George” (whose hero is an African-American communist) or Oliver Stone, producer of “The Day Reagan Was Shot,” a film I wrote and directed. Clearly, those enraged that a film would criticize the Clinton administration’s antiterrorism policies–though critical of its successor as well–were willing to embrace only one scenario: The writer was a conservative hatchetman.
In July a reporter asked if I had ever been ethnically profiled. I happily replied, “No.” I can no longer say that. The L.A. Times, for one, characterized me by race, religion, ethnicity, country-of-origin and political leanings–wrongly on four of five counts. To them I was an Iranian-American politically conservative Muslim. It is perhaps irrelevant in our brave new world of journalism that I was born in Boulder, Colo. I am not a Muslim or practitioner of any religion, nor am I a political conservative. What am I? I am, most devoutly, an American. I asked the reporter if this kind of labeling was a new policy for the paper. He had no response.
The hysteria engendered by the series found more than one target. In addition to the death threats and hate mail directed at me, and my grotesque portrayal as a maddened right-winger, there developed an impassioned search for incriminating evidence on everyone else connected to the film. And in director David Cunningham, the searchers found paydirt! His father had founded a Christian youth outreach mission. The whiff of the younger Mr. Cunningham’s possible connection to this enterprise was enough to set the hounds of suspicion baying. A religious mission! A New York Times reporter wrote, without irony or explanation, that an issue that raised questions about the director was his involvement in his father’s outreach work. In the era of McCarthyism, the merest hint of a connection to communism sufficed to inspire dark accusations, the certainty that the accused was part of a malign conspiracy. Today, apparently, you can get something of that effect by charging a connection with a Christian mission.
“The Path to 9/11” was intended to remind us of the common enemy we face. Like the 9/11 Report itself, it is meant to enable us to better defend ourselves from a future attack. Past is prologue, and 9/11 is merely another step in an escalating Islamic fundamentalist reign of terror. By dramatizing the step-by-step increase in attacks on America–all of which, in fact, occurred–we are better able to see the pattern and anticipate the future. That was the point of the series, its only intention. Call it the canary in the coal mine. Call it John O’Neill in the FBI.
Despite intense political pressure to pull the film right up until airtime, Disney/ABC stood tall and refused to give in. For this–for not buckling to threats from Democratic senators threatening to revoke ABC station licenses–Disney CEO Rober Iger and ABC executives deserve every commendation. Hence the 28 million viewers over two nights, and the ratings victory Monday night (little reported by the media), are gratifying indeed.
“The Path to 9/11” was set in the time before the event, and in a world in which no party had the political will to act. The principals did not know then what we know now. It is also indisputable that Bill Clinton entered office a month before the first attack on the World Trade Center. Eight years then went by, replete with terrorist assaults on Americans and American interests overseas. George W. Bush was in office eight months before 9/11. Those who actually watched the entire miniseries know that he was given no special treatment.
It’s good to have come to something approaching the end of this saga, whose lessons are worth remembering. It gave us, for one thing, a heartening glimpse (these things don’t come along every day) of corporate backbone in the face of phenomenal pressure–and an infinitely more chilling one testifying to the power and reach of politically driven hysteria. A ripe subject for a miniseries, if ever there was one.
Mr. Nowrasteh wrote the screenplay for “The Path to 9/11.”
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43 – The people who were actually there took issue with the lies promulgated by the writer.
All water under the bridge – the crappy docudrama was a ratings failure and Dubya’s lost his 9/11 bounce.
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MWS:
If you care about the truth, and how Mr. Nowrasteh tried to manipulate it, and not just propoganda, I suggest you watch this:
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Commentby Mike Webb SUCKS— 9/18/06@ 5:02 pm
Actually I remember it. Yes, the far right did say that Mr. Gore was fighting it because he hated the military and it would go 70/30, or 60/40, or 90/10. Lots of pundits had lots of reasons, and none of them had a real idea of what Mr. Gore or his team were thinking. For that matter, neither do I. I can only do exactly what the pundits did, which is speculate.
You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t take the far right’s word for what Mr. Gore or his team were thinking.
What I do know is Navy Postal procedures, at least in general. One of my ships was rather small, and the Postal Clerks were in my Department. As I was the Department Leading Petty Officer at the time, I learned a bit about how the system worked. I am making the assumption that they did not greatly relax the postal regulations in later years.
1. No postmarks. Big no-no.
2. Improper tracking of mail. Another big no-no.
3. Improper sealing of mail bag. Yet another no-no.
Postal Clerks in the Navy are entrusted with classified materials. The screw-ups we’re speaking of might seem small to an outsider, but this kind of thing would mean Courts-Martial for anyone responsible. At the very least, the PC would be busted and stripped of his designation. What we used to call “Instant Boatswain’s Mate”. The Commanding Officer of the ship would have a lot of explaining to do. This is considered to be classified material handling, and the Navy takes it pretty seriously when it gets that screwed up. From what I understand, the other services are equally careful, but my experience is Navy.
Postal Clerk is a tough job to get into. Lots of competition to get into very few available billets. We didn’t just pick some deck Seaman and tell him to start sorting mail. These folks are very good at their jobs.
Too many mistakes were made for it to be plausible that this was not deliberate fraud. That could happen without the Postal Clerk knowing about it. A properly registered mailbag coming up missing would cause a huge stink, while an extra mailbag, not registered, would cause an inquiry (which is what did happen). Then somehow, people were notified that there was a “mailbag full of military ballots”, and the pundits and politicians took over.
I choose to believe that it was simply some individuals trying to “help” their candidate. The alternative is that it was a deliberate fraud perpetrated by the Republicans.
The chance that those ballots were legitimate is so small as to be effectively non-existent. Don’t believe me? Stop by one of the ships in Everett or Bremerton and talk to the Postal Clerks. A bag full of unpostmarked ballots? They’d laugh you out of the office.
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A bit more on military ballots
I suppose that I should add a bit more. This is a topic that tends to push a few of my buttons, but in the great scheme of things, it really doesn’t matter.
While the ballots are almost certainly bogus, they were most likely done by some individual perhaps a couple of people, working on their own. I doubt that anyone was carrying out orders from Republican Central Command. It’s just too risky.
Most of the folks arguing for including those ballots were probably doing so honestly. It does seem like a small thing. Some Seaman Apprentice just got lazy and tossed all the ballots into a bag, instead of doing his job right. Easy assumption to make if you are not familiar with the military postal system, and most people are not.
So, instead of a vast right-wing conspiracy (I doubt if Ms. Clinton will ever live that down), we have a couple of guys getting ahold of a list, a pad of federal absentee ballots, and a mailbag. Then we had a bunch of pundits and politicians that had no clue what they were talking about.
At this point that election is long over, and the only thing that really matters is to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
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crime,Andromeda,achievable redistributing femurs doorkeeper
Open thread
Majority Action just bought a week of cable in the Seattle market. There’s blood in the water.
Comments
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And for my husband, the strongest, most honorable man I have ever known:
Vote early, vote often and vote Democratic!!!!!
Mrs. Left Foot
Commentby Mrs. Left Foot— 9/13/06@ 9:15 pm
No anger here, you cocksucking, dicklicking, take it in the ass, motherfucking, piece of shit, pussy deprived, WingNut, worthless fuck, shame of your parents, waste of air.
I am still not angry. You NutJobs can’t handle it when the same tactics you use, are returned in kind.
Mr. King, kindly go back to (un)SP and post there, where your drivel impresses.
Go fuck your mother, she is the only woman who would have you.
I would explain the pun, but at that point it loses its charm.
Commentby My Left Foot— 9/13/06@ 6:40 pm
ProudOfHerFatAss,
Apples/oranges. Tit for tat. STFU. You are female by the way. The tone and syntax indicate that fact. Dumb bitch!
Commentby My Left Foot— 9/13/06@ 5:18 pm
That poor, pathetic woman, used and abused so much she suffers from the Stockholm Syndrome.
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Note Carl’s attitude towards women. No anger issues here, right, Carl???
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You don’t like my language, tough. Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on.
Fucking two faced, lying, motherfucking bastard. Take your sanctimonious, ill placed self-righteousness and shove it up your ass!
Commentby My Left Foot [………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..OK…Can you imagine living with a guy like this? WOW!! I wonder how often “911” is called due to “dometic abuse”?? This guys an “OJ” waiting to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
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Look here Mrs Grossman. I feel sorry for you Why? Three reasons:
1) You married Carl
2) As HowCan said – Stockholm Syndrome
3) You’re both mentally challengedCommentby Puddybud Mo Money Ray Nagin [……….Mrs. Grossman, How often are the police called you your home for “domestic abuse”? Weekly? I suggest loading “911” in your speed dialer!!!!!!!!!!!]
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Search for: Carl Grossman
Sorry, no Carl Grossman found in or nearby Seattle, WA
Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeaKennedyandanASS— 9/14/06@ 9:32 am
Search for: Carl Grossman
Sorry, no Carl Grossman found in or nearby Olympia, WA
Search for: Carl Grossman
Sorry, no Carl Grossman found in or nearby Bellevue, WA
Search for: Carl Grossman
Sorry, no Carl Grossman found in or nearby Tacoma, WA
Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeaKennedyandanASS— [………………………………………………………………………Gee, what a fucking surprise!!!!! Great work!!!!!!! Now, Mrs. Grossman, “Tookie, Tookie!!!!”
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gimme a break…. burner is no match for Rove.
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Who contributed to Majority Action?
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Speaking of Reichert standing up to people, Joel Connelly said yesterday that Reichert ought to stand up to Pombo. But I say: Don’t hold your breath.
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http://articles.news.aol.com/n.....0000000001
Just like they did when Baby Bush failed to take bin laden on Sept 10, 2001, the Bush regime again passes on a chance to kill the real bad guys. Could it be that these terrorists are in the employ of George Bush?
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The man who bankrolled the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth just put $5 million behind a new 527 this campaign, according to new FEC filings. So I am sure all the Republicans who told us what a horrible thing those damn dirty 527 groups are back in 2000 and 2004 will give us a convincing repeat performance of their ire this time around. Right? *sound of crickets chirping* Well, maybe IOIYAR.
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Now JCH, there’s a waste of air.
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Reichert’s pro-torture.
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MTR
And here I didn’t even know Rove was running in the 8th. I didn’t look too closely at the GOP side of the primary ballot. Did you vote for Rove or Sheriff Gay Pride in the primary?
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@ 9
“…the military concluded the statement saying that while Taliban forces have killed innocent civilians during a funeral, coalition forces ‘hold themselves to a higher moral and ethical standard than their enemies.’ ”
Boy, when did that start? Has anyone told the Republicans?
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Just wondering what the WingNuts think about Colin Powell, the greatly respected military man and Republican, telling the president to shove the Terrorist reform act up his ass. So WingNuts, how does this latest split from the “company” line make you feel Is Powell now a traitor and appeaser too? Is he morally and intellectually confused?
Your answer is awaited. (though not holding my breath)
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WASHINGTON — In the spring, when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was denouncing the Dubai Ports World deal, a consulting firm run by her top advisers was quietly lobbying for a Dubai takeover of two U.S. defense plants, Newsday has learned. The Glover Park Group, whose principals include Clinton insiders Howard Wolfson, Joe Lockhart and Gigi Georges, was paid about $100,000 to help the government-owned Dubai International Capital Corp. in its acquisition of the British engineering firm Doncasters Group Ltd.
2002 Clinton gave a speech in Dubai that yielded $300,000. He also gave a speech in 2005 that most likely yielded that amount or more.
Dubai contributed to his library, and to a WJC scholors program at the American University in Dubai.
He also has formed a partnership w/the Dubai royals. He was hired in 2002 has a senior advisor, and receives a % of the profits if they’re over 9%. The profits average around 40%.
He also is invested w/a Dubai American company that invests the funds of the royal family.
When the brouhaha regarding the ports was at it’s height, Clinton advised the Dubai royal family to ask for a 45 day window to allow the issue to take a back burner to the public outcry.
HRC definitly has to know about this income. I would think it would have to be declared both to the senate and the IRS.
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Of course, when “Carl” can’t find his way out of a corner he predictably resorts to vile language and insults… they’re coming, you can bank on it. -Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS [………Ya think??? Totally agree. JCH]
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My left foot,
Colin Powell needs to reach down and refind them. Once he has done that, he needs to schedule a press conference and announce his intentions to run for the Office of President of the United States.
I know he loves Alma and doesn’t want to put her through the hell that the press gave her the last time he was thinking of a run, I just think he has forgotten how strong military wives really are!
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I would think that the last person tossing stones around here would be JCH. The man has a mouth and mind straight from a cesspool. His hatred of others is far worse than some swearing that he is now railing against.
JCH, no one cares, quit waiting for new posts from Goldy so that you can be first in line to post your Republicrap.
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Now, be sure to tell my wife I told you to GO FUCK YOURSELF!
Commentby My Left Foot [ Carl, Your language!!! Mrs. Grossman could not be pleased!!!]
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In the interest of equal time… you know, that thing the whining libs always cry about…
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Bush tells Fred Barnes that capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources.”
Does Dave Reichert agree?
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@10 And, Daddy didn’t Love me, the Senate Democrats just killed the effort to rein in the 527s- so don’t blame us for the escalations taking place… BIG money injected into politics- including state Supreme Court races- brought to you by Maria Cantwell and Harry Reid…
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sgmmac @ 18:
Here is the problem. Powell is a blantantly honest man. He left the White House because he was used and lied to.
My thought is that a ticket of Powell and McCain, in any order, would sweep into the White House. These men are honorable, straighforward and do not bend to special interests.
Unfortunately, this is exactly why they won’t be allowed to run. Republicans have a desire for power, not leadership. Personal gain, not the well being of the people. That is why the tide has turned against them.
Despite their best efforts Republicans keep falling in the polls. No one can predict with certainty what will happen in Novemeber. We all know change is coming, we don’t know how big that change will be. The WingNuts have nearly 6 weeks left to dig the grave even deeper, and from what I am seeing that is certainly the only certain we can count on.
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Louisiana’s Senator Landrieu:
”
I’d like to state for the record that America is not tired of fighting terrorism; America is tired of the wrongheaded and boneheaded leadership of the Republican party that has sent six and a half billion a month to Iraq while the front line was Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. That led this country to attack Saddam Hussein, when we were attacked by Osama bin Laden. Who captured a man who did not attack the country and let loose a man that did. Americans are tired of boneheaded Republican leadership that alienates our allies when we need them the most. Americans are most certainly tired of leadership that despite documenting mistake after mistake after mistake, even of their own party admitting mistakes, never admit they do anything wrong. That’s the kind of leadership Americans are tired of…I’m not going to sit here as a Democrat and let the Republican leadership come to the floor and talk about Democrats not making us safe. They’re the ones in charge and Osama bin Laden is still at loose.”You guys are gonna hear a lot of that.
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Jim King
So tell me how horrible 527s are.
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Bush is a stubborn fool, and quite honestly, I am looking forward to his last two years in office. It will be quite a sight when he tries to convince us that he can’t be an effective president with a Democratic Congress (and perhaps a Democratic Senate). He has been totally ineffective with both houses being WingNut controlled.
Face it, the man is not bright. He is a puppet.
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Oh, and Jim King…
So what? I never said 527s were bad, you guys did.
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The death of the lobbying and ethics reform bill in the Senate shows you how fundamentally unserious Republicans are about reform. We all know that Republicans want to restrict Democratic 527 organizations, and Democrats have made it clear that they will block legislation that restricts them. So the Republicans add a 527 restrction to the lobbying/ethics reform bill as a poison pill so they can blame Demcrats for voting against it. You know the drill–it’s what they did with the minimum wage bill. Republicans are in the majority. They can bring a bill that can be passed with only GOP votes to the floor, and instead they waste the people’s time and scuttle lobbying and ethics reform for an election year gotcha.
Just one MORE reason why we need to vote the Republicans out of the Congressional majority.
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24
I can’t agree that McCain is a principled and honorable man. I used to believe that, but his shameless ass-kissing of Bush and the Republican rightwing during the 2004 election put that illusion to rest. I think McCain is a political being to the core–he occasionally bucks his party’s leadership, generally in a very self-promoting way, just to maintain an image as a maverick. His actual voting record discloses that he is far from a maverick–his record indicates he is one of the most reliable conservative votes in the Senate. He may be principled and honest for a Republican, but that is, of course, rather thin praise. -
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I have to choose.
1. My Left Foot’s anger and language.
or
2. JCH’s hatred and vindictiveness.
My Left Foot just says what a lot of us are thinking. He expresses his anger here, in a safe arena.
JCH on the other hand actively advocates killing Blacks, Muslim, Jews and Mexicans.
The choice is not difficult. Bad language is far less threatening that violence encouraged by JCH. I have no doubt if he believed that he could get away with it, he would murder and maim to further his agenda.
My Left Foot on the other hand, strikes me as the type who would be trying to stop him. At that point do we care if he swears?
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Notice how Jim Queen says he/she’s an independent in some threads and admits to being a republican in others? When else have you lied Queen?
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Wow the GOP’s house of cards is falling all around them. Powell tells the truth, Chafee holds up Bolton, the Senate refuses to let that coward Bush torture people, boy when it goes bad, it goes bad in a hurry for these assholes.
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#27 – My Left Foot, I know clear thinking isn’t really prized amongst you loonies on the left, but please just so we can understand you, here is your lesson in our government for today:
The United States Congress is a bicameral legislature, consisting of the House and Senate. The word “Congress” is not the same as the term “House of Representatives”.
Tomorrow, we can work on the basic terminology behind the other two branches of government (and no, the NY Times isn’t one of them).
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Thank you o’ignorant one. I will be sure to write that down. Both houses of Congress. Hmmmm, thanks. House of Representatives is filled by, um, well, how do I say this without bursting your bubble, CONGRESSMEN. Senators are always senators. Members of the HOR are addressed as Mr/Ms Congressman/Congresswoman. While my term is technically off, semantics don’t change the facts, which you failed to adress. Your side is losing. Two thirds of America agree with me. Rush Bimbaugh says this is a conservative country, he is wrong. This is a middle of the road country.
Again, thanks for the history lesson. I know all about the legislative, judicial and executive branches of government, checks and balances and all that stuff. Shame the WingNuts are trying in their dying days to load up the Judicial branch. It was never intended to rubber stamp the executive branch. Checks and balances. No matter, Congress is ours this November. Shoe, other foot and all that. Enjoy!
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My LF,
Change may be coming, but I don’t think it’s going to be as radical as the polls indicate. Polls are notorious for being wrong. Pollsters influence their results with leading questions and prefaces to questions that lead to the results they want. They also use registered voters vs likely voters and there is a difference in the quality.
Guillani polls a lot better than McCain. It’s personality and security. America saw Guillani under extreme duress remain cool, calm and exhibiting direct leadership.
I would vote for Powell a lot faster than McCain. I used to love McCain for his war on Pork, but I have been less impressed with him lately. I don’t agree with his stance on torture. Torture needs to remain an “option.” The CIA didn’t start torturing people under Bush……. they’ve been doing it for years, and a lot worse things that Americans have never known about.
Powell didn’t leave because he was used and lied to. Our intelligence agencies have been fucked up for years, right along with the CIA, the FBI, and NSA. All of them have a protective institutional attitude. The same thing also exists in the military services to a certain degree.
Powell left because of Rumsfield. There were rumors of power fights between them for several years. Traditionally, the military kicks ass and leaves a country, then the State Department does the mopp up and rebuilds the country. That didn’t happen in IRAQ and that’s right about the time that Powell left………….
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contain info HANDBAGS
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SGMMAC,
As you said, polls are notoriously wrong. However I have a sense, admittedly my own gut feeling, that polls are off. I think folks are holding back this time and not in a way favorable to Republicans. Everyone I talk to, and yes, I have Republican friends, believes big change is coming.
As for torture, I wish to God I could remember the generals name who said this but it struck me as very intelligent and insightful, both as a human being and as a (former) military officer.
To paraphrase: He was asked. “if you knew that a prisoner had information that, if you had it, would save lives, would you use torture?”
His response: “I would. I would then be willing to accept the consequences of that act, under the law. The problem with not having a punishment for torture is where do you draw the line? When is it OK to torture? When is not? It is best to leave the law as is. For allowing torture without such restriction would, without doubt, invite widespread abuse”. The man is Republican, the interview was in Newsweek or Time within the past three weeks or so.
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I don’t disagree with the General’s statement. As a matter of policy torture does need to be restricted, but I still want an option open. Something similiar to our WMD policy.
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@32- Hey Stupid- and why don’t you just stick to one name on the blog, anyway- where have I ever said I was anything but a Republican? Goddamnfool, whether you are posting as fake Carl or Stupid or DaddyDoesn’tLoveMe…
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sgmmac
No torture. Ever.
The US < a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2137_v88/ai_6742034">signed and ratified the UN Convention Against Torture, as well as the Geneva Conventions, and, let’s see, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed and ratified), the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N. Body of Principles for the Protection of All Persons under Any Form of Detention or Imprisonment, the U.N. Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners, the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ, arts. 77-134), the War Crimes Act of 1996 (18 U.S.C. § 2441), and the federal anti-torture statute (18 U.S.C. § 2340A). Of course, the widespread or systematic practice of torture constitutes a crime against humanity. (See, for example, article 5 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court).
I think we can disregard your near-inevitable repetition of your preference FOR it as incompatible with the Supreme Law of the Land (US Constitution Article VI).
Besides which, it does not work, and by using it as we have we have relinquished any shred of moral authority we retained from our role in WWII and after.
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Jim King
You sure are smart. You can figure out things that ain’t even true.
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“Hi, I’m Dave Reichert, and I wear a tight T-shirt with this message on it.”
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Proud to be an Ass:
JCH is supporting you. Does that make you want to take a shower, or just dose yourself with bleach?
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Another example of why the Republicans are going down hard:
Montana’s wackiest politician is in trouble again — this time for sticking his wife in Coach with the poor people while he flew in luxurious First Class.
Worse, the crazy old firefighter-hating senator had his wife stuck in an Emergency Exit row, so she’d be first to die after an emergency landing.
Partisans are seizing the opportunity to paint Burns as a sexist, but we’re giving him the benefit of the doubt: Conrad Burns just hates his wife.
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“The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. To redefine Common Article Three would add to those doubts.
–Colin Powel
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Bush tells Fred Barnes that capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources.”
Does Dave Reichert agree? -Commentby Daddy Love— 9/14/06@ 12:39 pm
Pelosing bin Ladin
“Republicans are taking aim at House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for saying that taking out Osama bin Laden would not ‘make us any safer,’ ” reports the Air Force Times:The rhetorical volley began when Pelosi, who stands to become Speaker of the House if the Democrats recapture that chamber in the November elections, commented Tuesday on the effort to capture or kill bin Laden.
“Even if he is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late,” Pelosi was quoted as saying. “He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But in fact, the damage that he has done is done. And even to capture him now, I don’t think makes us any safer.”
We’re not sure why the Republicans aren’t embracing Pelosi’s comment. After all, if capturing bin Laden wouldn’t make us any safer, that means President Bush has already succeeded in neutralizing the threat.
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I’m laughing my ass off.
Mike “fucking’ Webb.
Need I say more….
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As a loyal Democrat who votes the party, I want to say a word about the Alexander/Groen race. Gerry Alexander has been on the court since Richard Nixon. He is getting old and has made serious errors while in office.
Groen has an impressive background, having argued 17 cases before the court – something not even Alexander had done prior to his becoming a justice. For this Democrat, it is time to retire Gerry Alexander. He won’t even be able to finish his term if elected as his mandatory retirement will be in effect while he is in office. What happens if he is in the middle of a case and ends up being pulled due to his mandatory retirement? This could have serious legal consequences.
That cinches the deal for me. I voted Groen and sent in my ballot today. I urge all true Democrats to do the same.
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#24 ” Here is the problem. Powell is a blantantly honest man. He left the White House because he was used and lied to. ”
Except for the lies to get the 1st gulf war started….. How many Iraqi tanks did Powell tell the Saudis there were line up on their border?
To say Powell is honest is like saying Hitler loved Jews.
He is a Republican. There is nothing honest about their beliefs, actions, or ideology. It is 100% lies, hate, and avoiding accountability for their actions.
In fact the Republican Party has hurt America far more than Bin Laden ever could.
If you don’t believe me, a Pew Research Poll found more people around the globe view the United States as a greater threat to them than Islamic Terrorists.
Fact.
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Just look at what Bush and his Republican Crime Partners have done to our country worldwide.
Make sure you check out Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country. From 75% approval of the US (because of Clinton) to 15% in 2003.
If making people hate America is the president’s job, then Bush is doing great!
http://pewglobal.org/reports/d.....portID=252
Disaster = Bush Diplomacy
Hey but lotsa innocent folks are dying, and being tortured. What more could a Republican want anyway?
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Fred at 49:
As a loyal Republican who has voted for every Republican Candidate since Lincoln, I have to assure you that great reasoning like yours will lead to the overwhelming victory of Democrats in Novemember.
You are right, Gerry Alexander is a terribly old person. He must be, what, a billion years old. And we all know that old people can’t do anything. Look at Ronald Reagan.
And, you are so right, arguing 17 cases for the BIAW and their lackeys in front of the court is so much more important than having been a judge at three different levels and deciding thousands of cases on all kinds of different issues. Who wants real experience when we can put a one note attorney on the bench. At least we know he will rule the right way.
And thank you, as a loyal Democrat, for pointing out that he has made serious errors on the bench. Like you, I can’t name a single one, but as long as we say it, it must be true.
And surely an Evans Republican like Alexander is a worthless justice to a Democrat like you who votes the party line. How much better to have someone that makes John Carlson look like a moderate and who is bought and paid for by the developers and the building industry.
And you are right, if Justice Alexander is left on the court, he would retire. You, as a loyal party line Democrat, like me, know that Govenor Gregoire will be re-elected, and we wouldn’t want her to appoint anyone.
Plus, as you point out, look at all the confusion when Justice O’Connor retired. The Court went to total hell. (What, it didn’t? They know how to take care of that? Well, again, if I as a loyal Republican and you as a loyal Democrat say it, it must be true).
That cinches it for me. Why would I want an honest, fair, impartial jurist when I can have a radical right wing lawyer whose only qualification is that he knows people with enough money to spend it hand over fist to get him elected because they know how he will vote. So, if I was a loyal, party line Democrat like you, I would vote for Groen.
However, if I was a Republican or Democrat with any sense, I would gladly vote for Alexander. But that would only be if I wanted a person to whom “Justice” was not an ironic term.
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Proud to be an Ass:
Please notice the difference:
Bush says he doesn’t want to capture Bin Laden. Just not worth it to him.
Pelosi is in favor of capturing Bin Laden. She just pointed out that after Bush allowed Al Qaeda to decentralize and metastasize, that his capture will not put an end to the terror. What a shame Bush decided to go after Iraq instead of Bin Laden like he should of.
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Representative Bob Ney, Republican of Ohio, has agreed to plead guilty to federal criminal charges related to his dealings with the corrupt lobbyist Jack Abramoff, lawyers and others with knowledge of the investigation said Thursday.
A guilty plea would make Mr. Ney, a six-term congressman, the first member of Congress to admit to criminal charges in the Abramoff investigation, which has focused on the actions of several current and former Republican lawmakers who had been close to the former lobbyist.
People with detailed knowledge of the investigation said Mr. Ney had entered an in-patient rehabilitation facility in recent days for treatment of alcoholism, making it uncertain whether he would appear at a court hearing to announce the plea. Lawyers and others would speak only anonymously because of concern they would anger prosecutors.
They said the agreement with the Justice Department — and the exact criminal charges, which are expected to include conspiracy and false statement — would be disclosed in Washington as soon as Friday and would probably require Mr. Ney to serve at least some time in prison.
Open thread
Comments
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Whatever happened to good people running positive campaigns?
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I voted. AGAINST Groen. FOR Alexander. Is that double voting?
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1
Where have you been? Hey, check out Mike!s ads. They may be what you’re looking for. Nice, non-threatening; they don’t say uncomfortable things about who’s financing who. Best not to worry too much about that.
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Oh gee lets excoriate Groen over the environment, failed stem cell research and for not being a flaming pro-bort.
yessirree…
Vote for Gerry Alexander, protect pedophiles, baby murderers, criminals and liberals.
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You know, I’m getting the feeling that it’s the Republifascists we should really be worried about.
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1) Which of the following former U.S. Presidents best represents your political philosophy? John F. Kennedy / Jimmy Carter / Ronald Reagan / George H.W. Bush / William J. Clinton
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond2) Which one of the current/recent Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court most reflects your judicial philosophy? John Paul Stevens / Ruth Bader Ginsburg / Sandra Day O’Connor / William H. Rehnquist / Antonin Scalia.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond3) “Strict constructionism” has been defined as the view that a constitution’s provisions should be construed according to the plain and ordinary meaning accorded the words found therein at the time of the provisions’ adoption or ratification. The “living constitution” approach has been defined as the view that constitutional provisions should be construed according to what the words mean today or should be interpreted according to currently held values and opinions. Please rate your judicial philosophy on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being strict constructionist, and 10 being living constitutionalist.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond4) I support a judge’s display of the Ten Commandments in his or her courtroom.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond5)In In re Parentage of L.B., 155 Wash.2d 679 (2005), the Washington State Supreme Court allowed the homosexual partner of a child’s biological mother to petition for rights as a parent. I believe that In re Parentage of L.B. was correctly decided.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond6) In the Washington State Supreme Court’s recent decision in Andersen v. King County, published on July 26, 2006, the Court held that Washington State’s Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman, is constitutional. I believe that Andersen was correctly decided.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond7) In Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), the United States Supreme Court decided that the Texas criminal abortion statutes prohibiting abortions at any stage of pregnancy except to save the life of the mother are unconstitutional. I believe Roe was correctly decided.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond8) In Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000), the United States Supreme Court ruled that prayer over the loudspeakers before a public high school football game in Texas was unconstitutional. I believe Santa Fe was correctly decided.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond9) In HTK Management, LLC v. Seattle Monorail Project, 155 Wash.2d 612 (2005), the Court held that the Seattle Monorail Project (“SMP”) could condemn a property owner’s entire property, and that the SMP could sell or lease surplus property that it condemned, in the future, for public or private use. I believe that HTK Management was correctly decided.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond10) In 2005, a majority in the Washington Legislature wanted to raise taxes on cigarettes and liquor but did not have the two-thirds required by Initiative 601, which was passed by voters in 1993. In Washington State Farm Bureau Federation v. Reed, 154 Wash.2d 668 (2005), the Washington State Supreme Court allowed an emergency clause to be attached to a bill that would allow the taxes to be raised by a simple majority vote. I believe that Washington State Farm Bureau Federation was correctly decided.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond11) Historically, Washington law has said that when a person commits “any” felony (felonies are serious crimes, including assault) during which someone dies, it is second degree murder. In In re Personal Restraint of Andress, 147 Wash.2d 602 (2002), the Washington State Supreme Court held that assault could not lead to a conviction for second degree murder. Hundreds of convicted second degree murderers were thus eligible to seek to have their convictions overturned. In 2003, the Legislature changed the law to specifically include assault. I believe that In re Andress was correctly decided.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond12) I do not believe that the Washington State Constitution prohibits imposition of the death penalty.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have been a member of the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have contributed more than $500 to the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have provided more than 100 hours of volunteer services to the following national, state, or local non-profit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have been employed by the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondThe following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations have endorsed me for public office:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have received awards from the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondPolitical committees affiliated with, or leaders in, the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations have contributed to a campaign committee supporting my candidacy for any public office:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have received awards from the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
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ASS
Gee, you’re awfuly hard on him. Maybe it got lost in the mail. Did you ask him?
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Does Mrs. Grossman look like Mattie Albright? I’m taking bets!
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I love this one
” ‘Strict constructionism’ has been defined as…”
“The ‘living constitution’ approach has been defined as…”I don’t agree with either of the definitions you offered. Who defined them thus? That’s an actual question I’d like you to answer.
The questionnaire left no room for an answer of “This is a bunch of bullshit.” I’ll bet Gerry noticed that.
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Well, we know that Proud to be an Ass is a BIAW plant now.
In other news, latest poll on the WA 8 race. Burner up 49-46:
http://www.constituentdynamics.....ndex2.html
And we will see if in Rhode Island wether the Republicans have any sense or will put forward a total wingnut candidate for office. I’m betting on the wingnut candidate.
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Does John Craig Herman suck cock, or only takes it up the ass. I’m taking bets.
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The rightwing attack on Justice Gerry Alexander shows just how loony the right has become. Alexander is a lifelong Republican, noted for moderation if not conservatism in both lifestyle and politics. He has never been someone to upset the apple cart. Nonetheless, he is facing baseless attacks from the right. Remarkably and ironically, they accuse him of judicial activism. Judicial activism involves making decisions based on whim and personal bias rather than the law. A judicial activist, Justice Alexander is not. John Groen, on the other hand, is being promoted by fringe rightwingers precisely because they expect him to be an activist, a vote for fringe property rights groups regardless of what the law might demand. Groen has done nothing to distinguish himself as a lawyer, and he has no business thinking he has earned a place on our state’s highest court. Aside from an abundance of chutzpah, he would not be running for Supreme Court.
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Here’s a nice discussion of some of the problems with defining “strict Construction,” if one is insterested in ACTUALLY defining it.
But hell, we know what it means. It means elect a conservative judge and not a liberal one. ASS, you would admit to that, wouldn’t you? Come on. Step up.
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WASHINGTON DC – Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold called on President Bush to refrain from using the phrase “Islamic fascists,” saying it was offensive to Muslims and has nothing to do with global terrorists fighting the United States. “We must avoid using misleading and offensive terms that link Islam with those who subvert this great religion or who distort its teachings to justify terrorist activities,” Feingold said Tuesday . . . [………………………………………………………………………Russ, Are you for real? Only Democrat idiots would believe that.]
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Strict contruction is one of those irregular verbs:
I am a strict constructionist.
You follow the original intent of the drafters.
S/He is a judicial activist.
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby howcanyoubePROUD — 9/12/06@ 10:42 am
I missed the question where you asked if he was going to quit beating his wife.
Could it be that after reading several obviously inappropriate questions (as they relate to issues that could well come before the court) and several other questions that are just obvious attempts to come up with sound bites for attack ads, he just wadded up this obvious piece of tripe and threw it away?
While you haven’t disclosed the origin of this “questionaire”, my guess is that it was produced by or at the request of the Building Industry Association of Washington (BIAW). While they are welcome to ask questions of any candidate for any office, they are hardly unbiased in this race.
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yes the right wing turds are all for judicial activists as long as those activists are bank rolled by the BIAW!
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1) Which of the following former U.S. Presidents best represents your political philosophy? John F. Kennedy / Jimmy Carter / Ronald Reagan / George H.W. Bush / William J. Clinton
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond2) Which one of the current/recent Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court most reflects your judicial philosophy? John Paul Stevens / Ruth Bader Ginsburg / Sandra Day O’Connor / William H. Rehnquist / Antonin Scalia.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond3) “Strict constructionism” has been defined as the view that a constitution’s provisions should be construed according to the plain and ordinary meaning accorded the words found therein at the time of the provisions’ adoption or ratification. The “living constitution” approach has been defined as the view that constitutional provisions should be construed according to what the words mean today or should be interpreted according to currently held values and opinions. Please rate your judicial philosophy on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being strict constructionist, and 10 being living constitutionalist.
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have been a member of the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have contributed more than $500 to the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have provided more than 100 hours of volunteer services to the following national, state, or local non-profit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have been employed by the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondThe following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations have endorsed me for public office:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have received awards from the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondPolitical committees affiliated with, or leaders in, the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations have contributed to a campaign committee supporting my candidacy for any public office:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondI have received awards from the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT COULD COME BEFORE THE COURT.
TELL US, DID THE CARTER NITWIT IN DETROIT HAPPEN TO INFORM ANYONE THAT SHE IS/WAS AN ACLU ACTIVIST BEFORE SHE ALLOWED THEM TO COME BEFORE HER AND RULE FOR THEM?
Bullshit on you.
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goose/gander kiddies… you always want it both ways.
how convenient.
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Washington State Supreme Court Position 8: In a non-partisan primary today, 8/15/06, for Washington State Supreme Court Justice Position 8, incumbent Gerry L. Alexander faces a tough challenge from John Groen, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for KING-TV Seattle. Alexander gets 36% of the vote. Groen gets 32%. With a 6 percentage point margin of sampling error, and low voter interest, Alexander’s advantage is not statistically significant. With 32% of likely voters undecided, court seat is up for grabs. The primary winner will be the only name on the ballot in the general election on 11/7/06 and is practically assured of winning the general election.
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ProudtobeanAss:
Does the BIAW pay you by the post?
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
I notice that you conveniently left out questions four through twelve on your reply.
Those would be:
4) I support a judge’s display of the Ten Commandments in his or her courtroom.
5)In In re Parentage of L.B., 155 Wash.2d 679 (2005), the Washington State Supreme Court allowed the homosexual partner of a child’s biological mother to petition for rights as a parent. I believe that In re Parentage of L.B. was correctly decided.
6) In the Washington State Supreme Court’s recent decision in Andersen v. King County, published on July 26, 2006, the Court held that Washington State’s Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman, is constitutional. I believe that Andersen was correctly decided.
7) In Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), the United States Supreme Court decided that the Texas criminal abortion statutes prohibiting abortions at any stage of pregnancy except to save the life of the mother are unconstitutional. I believe Roe was correctly decided.
8) In Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000), the United States Supreme Court ruled that prayer over the loudspeakers before a public high school football game in Texas was unconstitutional. I believe Santa Fe was correctly decided.
9) In HTK Management, LLC v. Seattle Monorail Project, 155 Wash.2d 612 (2005), the Court held that the Seattle Monorail Project (“SMP”) could condemn a property owner’s entire property, and that the SMP could sell or lease surplus property that it condemned, in the future, for public or private use. I believe that HTK Management was correctly decided.
10) In 2005, a majority in the Washington Legislature wanted to raise taxes on cigarettes and liquor but did not have the two-thirds required by Initiative 601, which was passed by voters in 1993. In Washington State Farm Bureau Federation v. Reed, 154 Wash.2d 668 (2005), the Washington State Supreme Court allowed an emergency clause to be attached to a bill that would allow the taxes to be raised by a simple majority vote. I believe that Washington State Farm Bureau Federation was correctly decided.
11) Historically, Washington law has said that when a person commits “any” felony (felonies are serious crimes, including assault) during which someone dies, it is second degree murder. In In re Personal Restraint of Andress, 147 Wash.2d 602 (2002), the Washington State Supreme Court held that assault could not lead to a conviction for second degree murder. Hundreds of convicted second degree murderers were thus eligible to seek to have their convictions overturned. In 2003, the Legislature changed the law to specifically include assault. I believe that In re Andress was correctly decided.
12) I do not believe that the Washington State Constitution prohibits imposition of the death penalty.
As I said, I think he took one quick look at that obvious piece of tripe, wadded it up and threw it away. I also note that you still have not identified the originator of this “questionaire”.
Of course, you could also make the point that he has yet to tell us when he quit beating his wife.
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Gee I thought you guys all consider SurveyUSA polls, and polling in general, to be useless and biased.
I see a shoe on the other foot.
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Excellent comment on 9/11:
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PROUDASS
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Proud Lefist,
Maybe the reason Alexander is catching hell is that he can’t finish his term and Gregoire would get to appoint his successor…………????
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PROUDASS
You are so consistent in blathering about that which you know nothing. Any judicial candidate who would answer the questions you printed would be of very questionable ethics. In Washington, judicial positions are, and should be, nonpartisan. Litigants do not have confidence in a legal system in which they perceive bias. You tell me if you would feel confident about getting a fair shake from a judge who openly proclaimed that his or her political philosophy was most like Bill Clinton’s. If Groen has answered those questions, that would provide further evidence of his lack of judicial competence. Moreover, as John Barelli has so correctly pointed out, a number of the questions you printed could very well end up in front of the court. Naturally, of course, you don’t understand that judges are to evaluate evidence and the applicable law in every case that comes before them, and not to prejudge an outcome. Because you are unfamiliar with the concept of evidence or facts, I can understand how you would overlook the significance of such a concept with regard to its role in jurisprudence. John Groen is not qualified for this state’s Supreme Court. -
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Who sent the questionnaire out HCYBtbaA?
I ask that for two reasons:
1) This questionnaire does not appear in any other public repository I am aware of.
2) Judges are busy people. If the League of Women Voters sent out a questionnaire like this and Justice Alexander refused to answer the questions, I would be concerned. If I (or you) sent out a questionnaire as a private citizen and Justice Alexander refused to answer the questions, I would think he figured his time was being wasted. I would be disappointed, and think less of him as a person (especially if he didn’t answer ME!), but not as much.
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Michael Ware, CNN correspondent, today:
Well, officially, from Baghdad to Ramadi, the response you will get from American commanders is that we have an appropriate level of force to do what we have to do within the confines of our mission. However, the key term that all of them use is “economy of force.”
They say that we are applying an economy of force mission. That in itself is an admission that they don’t have the full number of troops that they need to do what actually has to be done.
Privately, off line, what commanders, again, from Baghdad to Ramadi, will tell you is that they need at least three times as many troops as they currently have there now, be that Iraqi and American or, even better, just three times as many as American troops. I mean, there’s an area there north of the Euphrates River that is used by al Qaeda’s top leadership that Osama bin Laden himself points to. It’s the size of New Hampshire.
You have only a few hundred American troops there. They can do nothing to hamper al Qaeda’s leadership in that area — Miles.
So we have about 140K troops in Iraq. Where will we get 280K more? Anyone? ASS?
The Bush “plan” is a plan for failure. It always was, and he won’t change it for anything. We will have to change it for him.
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Hey ASS, do you have Groen’s answers to that questionnaire handy?
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I mean, if the war on terror is really a “struggle for civilization” itself, as President Bush claimed last night, why do we have just 130,000 troops in Iraq? Isn’t it important enough?
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Mac @ 26
I’ve heard such speculation. Given, however, the Republican confidence that Rossi will be elected governor in 2008 (before Alexander would retire), I would think that Republicans would believe that Rossi would pick Alexander’s successor. Five years is certainly a lifetime in politics. As you seem to be more moderate and thoughtful than most of the rightish posters on this site, take a look at Alexander’s whole judicial record. I consider him to be quite conservative; he is by no means a liberal. Only the BIAW would consider a cautious jurist like Alexander to be liberal. He is, despite his conservative background, highly qualified to sit on the bench. He understands the role of the judiciary in our tripartite governmental system. John Groen does not have any of the qualifications or characteristics that would lead an objective person to believe he should sit on our state’s highest court. Politics should not be the defining qualification for judges. If and when that becomes so, our democracy is in a helluva lot of trouble. -
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The following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations have endorsed me for public office:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respondPolitical committees affiliated with, or leaders in, the following national, state, or local nonprofit organizations have contributed to a campaign committee supporting my candidacy for any public office:
Gerry L Alexander refused to respond“Chief Justice Alexander Gets The Union Vote!”
(June 7, 2006)
Washington Federation of State Employees
Service Employees International UnionThe Washington State Labor Council endorsed the re-election campaigns of state Supreme Court Chief Justice Gerry Alexander
At its recent annual convention, the Washington State Labor Council (WSLC), AFL-CIO, announced its endorsement of Chief Justice Gerry Alexander for re-election to the Washington State Supreme Court. The Washington State Labor Council, AFL-CIO is the state’s largest labor organization
Organization Endorsement links
41st District Democratic Organization
Washington Federation of State Employees, AFL-CIO
Service Employees International Union
Washington State Labor Council, AFL-CIO
King County Bar Association Endorses Chief Justice
Washington Federation of State Employees, AFL-CIO
Service Employees International Union
Candidates in Judicial Elections
AWB Endorses Alexander, Johnson for Washington State Supreme CourtOther Organization Endorsements
Bellingham Fire Fighters, Local 106
United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America,Local 1797
Retired Public Employees Council of Washington
Amalgamated Transit Union Legislative Council of Washington State
Constitutional Law PAC
Organization Endorsements
Association of Washington Businesses
Mainstream Republicans of Washington
Washington State Democratic Party
Washington Conservation Voters
Cascade Chapter – Sierra Club
Washington Education Association – PAC
Washington & Alaska Joint Council of Teamsters No. 28
Office and Professional Employees Local Union No. 8
Pierce County Building & Construction Trades Council
Martin Luther King Jr. County Labor Council, AFL-CIO
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local 46 – PAC
Thurston Lewis Mason Central Labor Council
Snohomish County Democrats
Yakima County Democratic Party Central Committee
San Juan County Democratic Party
King County Young Democrats
Metropolitan Democratic Club
11th, 18th, 30th, 36th, 37th, 38th, 45th, 47th Legislative District DemocratsAlexander is a lifelong Republican, noted for moderation if not conservatism in both lifestyle and politics. -Commentby proud leftist— 9/12/06@ 10:57 am
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JB at 22: Actually, a candidate for a judicial position in Washington State is prohibited by the Cannons of Judicial Responsibility from answering questions 4 ~ 12, because they deal with matters that may come before the court. If he did so, he could find himself subject to disciplinary action.
I know, its kind of a stupid rule, because the candidates can’t answer the questions the voters really want answered. But it is designed to have you focus on the general character and intelligence of the prospective judge, and leave the ultimate decisions dependent upon the actual facts before him or her and judicial precedent.
That’s why I’ve never been in favor of elections for judicial positions. I think they should use the Missouri system instead – an initial appointment, subject to an election on a regular basis which could “recall” the judge.
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OK, who woke up ProudofmyBigFatLazyCutAndPasteAss?
This bitch knows nothing, well, she can cut and paste.
Sweethart, babydoll, it is over. You are going to lose. According the Washington Post it just got worse for the president last night after his speech:
“President Bush’s Oval Office speech last night was the culmination of two weeks of efforts to rally the nation behind his policies and presidency by summoning the memory of Sept. 11, 2001. Five years after that indelible day, however, this president’s capacity to move the public is severely diminished.
There were echoes of the language and logic Bush invoked five years ago when he united a stricken nation looking to him for both comfort and leadership. But he was speaking to a different nation last night.
• More politics news
Setbacks in Iraq have soured a majority of Americans on that mission. Falsely optimistic predictions of progress have undermined the administration’s credibility. A majority of Americans question fundamental elements of the president’s argument, including his contention that Iraq is the central front in the campaign against terrorism.Cumulatively, it leaves decidedly uncertain whether this week’s flood of rhetoric and remembrance can alter Bush’s perilous circumstances — at a critical moment for the future of the Iraq mission and the president’s own domestic standing 56 days before the midterm elections.”
The entire piece can be found here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14777090/
So ProudofYourFatAss, how do you exlain this? How do you justify a president ignoring the will of the people, the people he is supposed to represent? The two thirds majority who believe he is screwing the pooch on Iraq.
Ohhhhh, I forgot. He is ordained by God and besides that, he knows what is best for us.
Time for the Liberal Democrats prayer:
Jesus Lord,
Please, protect me from your followers.
AMEN!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and pain in ProudofHerFatAss’s fat ass! -
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ProudofHerFatAss @ 33:
With that list of endorsements, I have to vote for Gerry.
Thank you.
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“Would someone on the right please tell JCH just how much he’s embarrasing your side?” – John Barelli.
I noticed one that you forgot to highlight. Must have been an oversight on your part:
Mainstream Republicans of Washington
Now, if you are trying to make the point that environmentalists, labor leaders, police, firefighters, attorneys and yes, even Democrats prefer a moderate Republican to a far-right bought-and-paid-for employee of the Building Industry Association of Washington, then I will happily agree.
Somewhere, in an earlier post on an entirely different topic, I mentioned that I had met some intelligent Republicans. Being Republican is not, in my opinion, an immediate disqualifier for public office.
Do you have a problem with that position?
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Proud to be an Ass:
I have to say I thought it was very suspicious that you didn’t have the time to bold Mainstream Republicans of Washington.
But thanks for making it clear that only far right wingnuts support Groen. Although I can’t imagine that is what your handlers at BIAW wanted.
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Fun fact. If you click on the vid twice so that is plays overlapped but 1 sec off, the ad is far more scary and effective.
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Oops, More bad news for Mark the Yellowback:
Rising ocean temperatures in key hurricane nurseries are due primarily to increased greenhouse-gas concentrations from human activity, scientists report in a new study.
Using 22 different computer models of the climate system, atmospheric researchers from 10 centers studied sea-surface-temperature (SST) changes recorded between 1906 and 2005. They found that the models showed an 84 percent probability that human-induced factors account for most of the rise in the hurricane-formation regions of the tropical Atlantic and Pacific.
The study, published online Monday by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, adds to the science linking global warming and the increased power of tropical storms.
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“Would someone on the right please tell JCH just how much he’s embarrassing your side?” – John Barelli.
Commentby rhp6033— 9/12/06@ 12:08 pm
I realize that Justice Alexander could not answer those questions, and even if the rules allowed him to answer, ethics should forbid it.
I’m still waiting for Howcanyoubeproud to answer the question about the originator of that “questionnaire”. Could the whole thing be a deliberate piece of trash, designed for no other purpose than to let people post the phrase “Gerry L Alexander refused to respond”?
Of course, Mr. Groen will denounce this obviously unethical bit of campaign trickery. Nobody with the ethics required of a Supreme Court Justice would allow such things to be done in his name. He will be immediately denouncing the perpetrators and insisting that nobody attached to his campaign use this for any purpose except to denounce it.
He will, won’t he? Well? Won’t he?
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Groen refused to fill out the KCBA questionaire, so the same thing could be done to him. Have you ever been sanctioned? John Groen refused to answer.
I think the theocrats at Faith and Family sent out judicial questionaires. I bet that is the one ASS is citing to.
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I would like to take issue with my friend, John Barelli on one point.
Being Republican, at least for the next three years, is an immediate disqualifier, in my opinion, for public office.
This rats have had at the cheese for too long and it is time for the cat to chase them off for a while, or until they learn some manners.
Carl Grossman
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MLF @ 43
It’s tough to vote for a Republican, indeed it’s enough to cause gas pains. But, in the Alexander v. Groen matchup, there’s no real option. Alexander at least believes in the rule of law. Groen is a concoction of the far right, who simply has no business on the Supreme Court. -
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I noticed one that you forgot to highlight. Must have been an oversight on your part: Mainstream Republicans of Washington
-Commentby John Barelli— 9/12/06@ 12:18 pmI have to say I thought it was very suspicious that you didn’t have the time to bold Mainstream Republicans of Washington. -Commentby JDB— 9/12/06@ 12:23 pm
Uh huh…40 liberal, leftwing and democrap endorsements vs 1 marginally conservative Republican organization.
You got me guys! Yessirree bob! got me a great big republican lie!
Nice try.
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PROUDASS
Tell me why John Groen is qualified to be on the Supreme Court. Tell me about how much respect he has within the legal community. List all professional accomplishments that merit our respect. You want him as a judge only because of his political views. That shows an incredible disrespect for the judicial branch of our government, and shows that you do not respect the rule of law. By the way, do you consider the Association of Washington Businesses, which endorsed Alexander, to be a liberal organization? You are so full of shit. -
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Gerry Aleaxander’s KCBA questionnaire:
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Your damned right I want him for his political views!
I apprecialte the “political view” that pedophiles should be help accountable.
I apprecialte the “political view” that criminals belong in JAIL.
I apprecialte the “political view” that peeping perverts shouldn’t be allowed to dance out of a courtroom.
I appreciate the “political view” that the constitution says something specific not something malleable.Now you be honest that the only reason you support Gerry ias because you appreciate his activism in support of homo-marriage and baby killing.
Of course you can’t admit that.
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By the way, do you consider the Association of Washington Businesses, which endorsed Alexander, to be a liberal organization? You are so full of shit. -Commentby proud leftist— 9/12/06@ 1:32 pm
I hanve’t a clue who they are. But ok I’ll give you that one too…
so now we have 39 liberal, leftwing and democrap endorsements vs 2 marginally conservative Republican organizations.
Who’s full of shit?
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Proud to be an Ass at 49:
You are.
I apprecialte the “political view” that pedophiles should be help accountable.
So you want a judge that helps pedophiles? Explains alot about you Proud to be an Ass. Beyond that, please show me one decision that Justice Alexander has written that did not hold pedophiles to be accountable.
I apprecialte the “political view” that criminals belong in JAIL.
Again, please show me one decision that Justice Alexander or, hell, lets make it easy, any justice has written against criminals belonging in jail.
I apprecialte the “political view” that peeping perverts shouldn’t be allowed to dance out of a courtroom.
Same question. Or do you appreciate the political point of view that the court should make up new laws instead of the legislature? That is an interesting view of strict construction.
I appreciate the “political view” that the constitution says something specific not something malleable.
Again, same question. Please cite one decision by any justice that says that the constitution doesn’t say something specific and is malleable?
Or did the BIAW not provide you with facts to support your talking points.
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Commentby howcanyoubePROUD — 9/12/06@ 1:22 pm
I never called it a lie. I try to be careful with the use of that word, as it means something, and that something is not good.
Now, if you wish to accuse me of being a bit snarky, then I will plead “GUILTY AS CHARGED!! with a big grin on my face. Of course I was being sarcastic. Chill, guy. We disagree here and are each going to try to score points on the other. No reason to get mad about it.
You didn’t go out of your way to find centrist and right wing endorsers for Justice Alexander, but gave me an easy shot by leaving the “Mainstream Republicans” on your list. (Not to worry, I already knew about them, and would have called you on it regardless.)
I will be continuing to ask you what organization sent the questionaire? That seems a perfectly reasonable question, and I have yet to see your answer.
The organization that sent the questionaire that Mr. Groen has apparently refused to answer was the King County Bar Association. You are welcome to question the impartiality of the largest county bar association in the state. (My belief there, I haven’t checked.)
It does allow for some interesting replies to your argument. I especially liked the one:
“Have you ever been disciplined or determined to be in breach of ethics or professional conduct by any court, administrative agency, bar association, disciplinary committee, judicial conduct commission, or other professional group?”
Mr. Groen refused to answer.
Wow. We could have a field day with that one.
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PROUDASS
Individuals who are involved in Justice Alexander’s campaign include such prominent Republicans as Dan Evans, John Spellman, and Ralph Munro. Surely, that would indicate how liberal he is, right? With regard to your post at 48, responding would be like nailing Jello to the wall. I am not going to provide you a primer on constitutional law and the function of courts within our democracy. You plainly are beyond educating. -
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Wow Proud Ass, you have no idea what you are talking about:
Now you be honest that the only reason you support Gerry ias because you appreciate his activism in support of homo-marriage and baby killing.
First of all, Justice Alexander voted against gay marriage. Oops, sucks to be you.
Second, please cite a single oppinion dealing with baby killing handed down by the court? Hell, I’ll make it easy, name a single case on abortion rights handed down in the last 25 years. Since the people of the state of Washington have consistantly voted down any restrictions on abortion for the past 25 years, I will be amaze if you find one.
Oops again, sucks to be you. You should demand the BIAW gives you some talking points that have facts behind them.
Of course, if you do, then you would have to vote for Justice Alexander.
Oops, sucks to be you again.
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I have a questionnaire for Proud to be an Ass:
1) How much does the BIAW pay you per post?
2) Are you paid more if you manage not to post anything accurate for a whole day?
3) Why do you support right wing judges legislating from the bench?
4) When did you stop killing babies for fun?
5) Same question, but with puppies?
6) Which politician best represents your political point of view:
a) Joseph Stalin
b) Adolph Hitler
c) Mao Zedong
d) Augusto Pinochet
e) Benito Mussolini
f) George Lincoln Rockwell
g) David Duke
h) All of the above7) When the Supreme Court handed down Brown v. Board of Education, was it wrong for all those uppity blacks to be happy?
8) When the Supreme Court handed down Roe v. Wade, was it wrongly decided because it failed to treat women as property?
9) When you are with John Craig Herman, are you a top or a bottom?
10) The Washington State Constitution upholds a right to privacy, why do you disagree with that?
Pursuant to normal Sharansky rules, you have an hour to answer.
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Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 9/12/06@ 1:40 pm
Oh, one additional point. I note that you divided up the Democratic endorsements down to the county and district levels.
Mainstream Republicans also have county-level branches. A friend of mine, Grechen Wilbert, happens to be President of the Pierce County Mainstream Republicans. (We have had some interesting discussions from time to time.)
So, should I chase down the individual endorsements of each of the various county branches of Mainstream Republicans? Do you think I could find more than 39?
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@32
He is conservative enough for me, kinda. I really dislike the ruling that let all the murderers go and the ruling about property pisses me off.
My impression of the court is that they support the state – no matter what the state does wrong. I know there have been rulings against the state, but probably not enough for me.
I am very upset over property rights. As an example, I think it’s totally wrong what the Seattle Monorail did to people and their properties. I understand the taking for the public good, but if you don’t use it for the public good, you should then give it back for the exact same amount that you paid for it.
Those property owners that were screwed over by the Monorail guys ended up paying much more for the failed project than their peers in Seattle.
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Nice post. It’s hard to imagine PROUDASS is a woman. I think she pines for a sex change operation, but can’t afford it. That’s just as well–you can’t change ugly . . . -
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Commentby sgmmac— 9/12/06@ 2:25 pm
“I am very upset over property rights. As an example, I think it’s totally wrong what the Seattle Monorail did to people and their properties. I understand the taking for the public good, but if you don’t use it for the public good, you should then give it back for the exact same amount that you paid for it.
Most liberals (me included) would agree with you here. Unfortunately, the courts are limited to what the law requires, and are not supposed to make it up as they go along. (I had thought that was a conservative viewpoint as well.)
From my admittedly limited observation, it seems to me that neither side really wants unbiased judges that simply interpret the law to the best of their ability.
I have seen some liberals support judges because they felt that a particular judge would “see beyond the law” and “administer justice”. Such things disturb me. Fortunately (in my opinion) those liberals have been uniformly unsuccessful in naming activist judges to the bench. (In fact, many of the federal judges that the conservatives seem to have problems with were named by conservative Presidents.)
Here we have conservatives trying to do the same thing. They’re looking for an advocate, not a judge. There’s nothing wrong with being an advocate, but not from the judicial bench.
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sgmmac:
The Monorail and the courts are not at fault here. The SMP bought at market rates, as required by law. When the had to sell the properties, they sold at marked rates realizing the best return for the tax payer, as required by law.
If you are upset, take it up with the legislature. Even then, I would bet the current law was passed by Republicans. Further, I’m pretty sure it was passed to prevent sweetheart deals with the government.
Or you could take ProudtobeanAss’ view and just elect activist judges that will ignore the law.
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“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.”
— George W. Bush in an interview with CBS News, Washington D.C., Sept. 6, 2006
It is hard to connect things that have nothing to do with each other, isn’t it.
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I have a questionnaire for Proud to be an Ass:
1) How much does the BIAW pay you per post?
I ONLY WISH I WAS PAID FOR POSTING, BUT I CONSIDER THE FREE ENTERTAINMENT YOU NUTBURGERS PROVIED AS MY POSITVE REINFORCEMENT TO CONTINUE2) Are you paid more if you manage not to post anything accurate for a whole day?
I GUESS YOU MISSED THE 4 MONTHS I DIDN’T POST AFTER I LOST MY FATHER IN JANUARY AND SEPTEMER 10 & 11 WHEN I DIDN’T POST BECAUSE THE SAD OCCASION OF THE DATE OF MY MOTHERS DEATH AND THE SAD OCCASION OF THE DEATHS OF 2,996 OF MY FELLOW AMERICANS.3) Why do you support right wing judges legislating from the bench?
CAN YOU NAME EVEN ONE TIME WHEN I’VE DONE SUCH A THING? NO, OF COURSE NOT… BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAVE YOUR STRAWMAN FOR HALLOWEEN4) When did you stop killing babies for fun?
SORRY SWEETCHEEKS, I’M A CONSERVATIVE. WE HAVE BABIES. YOU LIFE HATERS ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT KILLING THEM. NICE TRY5) Same question, but with puppies?
OUR PUPPY TURNED 2 IN JULY. I DO SQUASH BUGS THOUGH…. WHAT KIND ARE YOU?6) Which politician best represents your political point of view:
a) Joseph Stalin
b) Adolph Hitler
c) Mao Zedong
d) Augusto Pinochet
e) Benito Mussolini
f) George Lincoln Rockwell
g) David Duke
h) All of the above
HOW CUTE. AND WHAT A SURPRISE FROM A FAR LEFT NUTBURGER: A LOADED QUESTION WITH UNBALAMCED ANSWERS. YOU DID HAPPEN TO NOTICE IN THE QUESTION TO BIG CHIEF GERRY THAT THE CHOICES SPANNED POLITICAL IDEOLOGY DIDN’T YOU?7) When the Supreme Court handed down Brown v. Board of Education, was it wrong for all those uppity blacks to be happy?ONCE AGAIN, I’M A CONSERVATIVE… NOT THE PARTY THAT REFUSED CIVIL RIGHTS (MR GORE) NOT THE PARTY THAT ELEVATES A KLANSMEN WHO SPOUT RACIAL EPITHETS(MR BYRD) AND NOT THE PARTY THAT SORTS CITIZENS LIKE M&Ms. YOU SURE DO PROJECT A LOT.
8) When the Supreme Court handed down Roe v. Wade, was it wrongly decided because it failed to treat women as property? OH PLEASE. IT WAS WRONGLY DECIDED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A FEDERAL ISSUE… IT WAS, IS AND SHOULD BE A STATES ISSUE… AND PROBABLY WILL BE AGAIN.
9) When you are with John Craig Herman, are you a top or a bottom?
PROJECTING AGAIN, SWEETCHEEKS? OR MERELY WISHING AND DREAMING? … OF COURSE IT WAS YOU, WASN’T IT THAT SHRIEKED HITLARY IS “SEXY”10) The Washington State Constitution upholds a right to privacy, why do you disagree with that?
I DON’T. PROJECTING AGAIN?Pursuant to normal Sharansky rules, you have an hour to answer.
Commentby JDB— 9/12/06@ 2:13 pm
EFFICIENTLY, EFFECTIVELY AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY REBUTTED BY
howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS -
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Pursuant to normal Sharansky rules, you have an hour to answer.- Commentby JDB— 9/12/06@ 2:13 pm
EFFICIENTLY, EFFECTIVELY AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY REBUTTED BY
howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS WITH TIME TO SPARE! -
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Proud to be an Ass:
And like most conservatives, you proved you have no sense of humor.
Also, do you consider when you do not post for a day that you posted accurate facts? It would seem to be the only time you are factually accurate.
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And like most conservatives, you proved you have no sense of humor
Oh, come now. We had our fun with him, and his answers were a fair shot back. Some of them were even funny.
Of course, I’m still waiting to hear which organization sent out the “questionnaire”, and I’m not likely to let up until he answers.
I should also point out that in asking “So, should I chase down the individual endorsements of each of the various county branches of Mainstream Republicans? Do you think I could find more than 39?” I have violated a cardinal rule of snarky posting.
While I may strongly suspect, I really don’t know the answer.
Oh, and here’s the next in the series for Mr. Groen:
Since the date you were first admitted to the Washington State Bar, by plea of guilty (or its equivalent) or by trial, have you ever been convicted of a crime?
Mr. Groen refused to answer
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JDB,
I don’t care who passed the law and yes I know it is the law.
Those property owners are tax payers also, who got body slammed twice by the law. They paid their fair share of taxes, they got screwed out of their property, then they got screwed again if they wanted their property back. So, they paid a much higher “fee” for the failed project. If the law required the monorail board to return property they didn’t use for the same price, then the monorail “pain” would be equally spread out.
The monorail issue did go before the court.
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John Barelli,
I don’t think I’m looking for an activist.
I actually supported OJ getting off, because of the tainted evidence. I don’t know if the case that went to the Monorail was on the taking of property or taxes, but as I remember it, Alexander was on the wrong side of property rights.
I am pissed off totally about property rights, but I am equally pissed off that my county and city are allowing the chopping of trees at a horrendous pace. We have watering restrictions right now in my city because the city claims we don’t have enough water, but every time I pick up the newspaper, there’s another article about how Lacey is going to allow more building both commercial and private…….
There has to be a logical sane balance somewhere!
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Now for the rest of the day I will be imagining peeping perverts dancing out of a courtroom. Thanks.
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john Barelli @ 64:
Oh, come now. We had our fun with him
Just FYI, HCYBPtbaA claims to be a female. I’ll take her at her word.
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sgmmac:
The case that went to the Supreme Court was on the Monorail’s taxing authority. It was upheld solidly, again because the Monorail was only doing what the legislature allowed.
As to the property issue, how do you address this issue:
The state through eminent domain purchase property in 1910 for a road at market rates. In 2010, it rebuilds the road, freeing up the property. Should it revert back to the original property owner and/or his/her heirs at the 1910 price?
How about this one:
The state buys a bunch of property at market rates. Through state action, the area is developed causing a increase in property values. After five years of development, the state decides that it doesn’t need a segment of the property. Should that revert to the original owner, and should they get the windfall from the taxpayers investment?
Note, in the Monorail situation, the owners are in the same position they would have been if they purchase at market rate. They could turn around and sell immediately and come out in the same position they were in when the property was bought by the Government. Plus they did not have to pay taxes, keep the property maintained, have insurance, or do anything else with the property while it was being held by the Monorail.
Still, if you want to have a bill that gives former owners the right of first purchase, at market rates, for 10 years, and the right of reversion, at sale cost (plus making up all taxes not paid) for two years, I would think that might be a good bill.
But again, this is not the Courts job, this is the legislature’s job. Given the obvious complexities, and the proper fear of corruption, you can see why the law is written as it is. The state buys at market rate, the state sells at market rate. This is good, old fashion, market driven policy.
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All right, ProudtobeanAss, I’ll give you credit for truly holding your beliefs. But do you have any facts to back them up.
We’ll start with a simple one. Please state one Supreme Court opinion, be it for the majority or in dissent, that backed babykilling or that pedophiles should not be held accountable.
We’ll deal with dancing peeping perverts next. But you are so sure about these two issues, surely you have some facts to back up your assertions.
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About posting #1 in the comments — EXACTLY
Goldy gets on McGavick’s case about CIVILITY and then incites UNCIVIL, nasty and downright rude behavior in return.
PUKE
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Peter Vochick
Might I humbly ask that you kindly take your civility and shove it up your conservative ass? -
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In your road case, the State did what they were authorized to do, buy the land, build the road. No, it shouldn’t revert anywhere because the original reason for the condemnation was fulfilled.
The second one is murkier…… a lot murkier! The state shouldn’t take for “development.” My objection to the monorail is the fact that they didn’t use the property. There also was a case about taking all or part of a property before the court, I think.
Most of the cases with the monorail, were active businesses, weren’t they? So, the property owner lost the land and the business.
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sgtmac26 THE BITCH WONT BE THERE
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Now for the rest of the day I will be imagining peeping perverts dancing out of a courtroom. Thanks. Commentby Daddy Love— 9/12/06@ 3:53 pm
LOL! You’re quite wlcome!
Just FYI, HCYBPtbaA claims to be a female. I’ll take her at her word. -Commentby jsa on commercial drive— 9/12/06@ 4:11 pm
No I didn’t. I’ve been quite careful not to claim either way… just like I’ve been quite careful not to make November 8 predictions… unlike some here.
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So lets look at these two examples, one is the best from your view point, the other the worse.
a) The Government condemns lot x along with a bunch of other properties to build a bridge. Adding the bridge will greatly enhance the value of all the properties that will be serviced by the bridge. In order to build the bridge, though, you must condemn a piece of land for ten years, but at the end of the ten years, you will have no use for the land, and it will be safe for use again. Should the owner get the windfall from the development that was only possible because the land had to be condemned for the ten years?
b) Same case, but the state believes that it needs the land, however during the construction process, the plans are changed freeing up the land and allowing it to be sold and put to beneficial use. Again, the value of the land is greatly enhanced because of the bridge. Should the original owner get the windfall from the development that was only possible because the state condemned the land believing it was necessary for the project?
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JDB,
No to the first option and yes to the second option. The state should only condemn the property it needs to develop the bridge. Otherwise, you would have states taking land up to 10 miles on both sides of the bridge………. Property owners benefiting from bridges, roads, & towns happens all the time, that’s why people invest in land.
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As to the first case, again my example was that it was necessary to condemn the land during construction. An example, for the new Narrows bridge, they have a one to two acre site where they have built their cement plant (it is much more efficient and cheaper to produce concrete on site than to have suppliers on a job this big). Now, my guess is that this land will be used as a buffer after construction, but if someone wanted to build a restaurant with a terrific view under two beautiful bridge of Titlow and Point Defiance, why should the state not sell off this land when it is done using the land.
You have agreed that if the state uses land for 96 years for a road, then changes the road and frees up the land, it should be able to sell at market rates. Why should it not do so if it uses the land for 10 years to build a bridge? Or three years?
You have to draw lines somewhere. All the Court said in Keilo was that it was up to the legislature to do so. If the people are unhappy with where the line is drawn, they can change it through elections and/or lobbying. If the court had drawn the line, every situation would have to follow it. Keilo recognized that it is best to have the people closest to the situation decide how to draw the line.
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“Property owners benefiting from bridges, roads, & towns happens all the time, that’s why people invest in land.”
Commentby sgmmac— 9/12/06@ 9:50 pm
Ah, a subject near and dear to my heart. I concur wholeheartedly.
Actually, a good case could be made for a change to the law. Perhaps something with some reasonable time limit in it, allowing the original owner the opportunity to repurchase condemned property that is no longer needed.
The devil, as they say, would be in the details on this. After all, if the state buys a toxic waste dump because it needs that property for a year or two and then cleans it up and improves it at taxpayer expense, the original owner shouldn’t just “give the money back”.
But this monorail business is a rather unique situation, and has people looking at the laws. That is a good thing.
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“Just FYI, HCYBPtbaA claims to be a female. I’ll take her at her word.”
Commentby jsa on commercial drive— 9/12/06@ 4:11 pm
Thanks JSA, and my apologies, Howcanyoubeproud.
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Oh, and Howcanyoubeproud, I’m still waiting to hear who sent the questionnair to Justice Alexander.
The King County Bar Association asked Mr. Groen:
“Describe the nature of your current practice/position (including typical types of clients and areas, if any, of specialization).”
Mr. Groen refused to answer
(I wonder when he quit beating his wife?)
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JDB,
A better option for all would be for the state, city, or monorail, whoever, to rent the property needed for construction, if they were not intending to keep the property for the original use………
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sgmmac:
And usually that is how things are done if possible. However, as in my example, if you have a buisness, and they need to build a concrete plant, or they need the land to stage on, they have to get rid of the buisness. Plus, would you not be, as a buisness owner, in a better position being bought out so you can move to a new location and keep your buisness going, versus being payed rent and not working for a number of years?
Again, both the Washington and the US Supreme Courts have said that those decisions are best left to the peoples representatives. I do not see how that is a bad decision. I also do not see how you can reach any other decision without being a judicial activist.
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The people’s reps aren’t doing too well these days. Not in our state or the other Washington either.
Too many of them are beholden to somebody. Both sides like to scream about judicial activism, but both sides are guilty of it.
We wouldn’t have civil rights without judicial activism or the right to privacy……………
As great as the constitution is, it left some minor things out!
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sgmmac:
Sorry about taking a bit to reply;
I actually agree with you whole-heartedly. As I said, judicial activism is one of those strange irregular verbs: “I am a strict constructionist, you follow the original intent of the founders, they are judicial activist.”
Words are ambiguous, as you point out, there are gaps and holes that need to be filled. That is what Judges do. You can argue with there reasoning, since no one is perfect.
What makes me upset with the BIAW’s campaign is that they do not argue their case (because they know a strong majority disagree with them), but they attack the other person, not for their reasoning, but as “being against property rights.” Go, read the decisions and see what the basis of the decisions are. At least understand that the Justices in the majority didn’t make everything up out of whole cloth, but followed a line of reasoning that they thought was the most logical after giving it a fair hearing. That is what Judges do.
Open thread
If you have sent me email over the past 24-hours or so, and you are awaiting a response… don’t hold your breath.
As the result of a really stupendous spam attack (at its peak I was receiving hundreds, if not thousands of emails a minute) my mail server has been down for almost a day. I do not know if this attack was commercially or politically motivated, but either way it is an attack on my Constitutional right to free speech, and either way I just want to tell the perpetrators: FUCK YOU!
This is a cowardly, selfish and rude way of doing business, whatever your business may be. I would have added the descriptor “unAmerican,” but too often these days, this is how I see my fellow Americans treating their fellow man.
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Goldy
It’s not spam mail, it’s FAN mail.
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Fact: As long as Muuuuslims don’t vote Republican, most Democrats could give a shit about terrorism. BUSH is their enemy, not Democrat voting Muuuuuuslims.
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6 million Muuuuuuslims in the USA…………Gee, I wonder how they vote??? [ANS: The same way as Sandy “Socks” Berger and Carl Grossman] hehe, JCH
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Fuck the righties who can’t stand a level playing field!
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“Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all Democrats like Carl Grossman?”
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considering you post you fucking e-mail address: goldy@horsesass.org on your website, you should likely expect a lot of spam. I get hundreds a day and I removed my e-mail address from my website a couple years ago.
Further, liberals never do anything like DoS attacks of google bombing, right?
Oh, that’s right, it’s just free speech…
Oh, that’s right #2, anything that is bad is the republicans fault. I forgot. Back in line, lemmings.
SO FUCK YOU!
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Hundreds a day mean you have an e-mail address on a website. (I should know, I get that too.)
Hundreds a minute is a deliberate attack. The poster at 1:35 pm seems to know all about that.
Perhaps the poster is of the impression that we somehow approve of anything that any self-declared liberal does. This is not the case. If anyone does a DDoS attack on any website, 99.9% of all liberals would condemn it, yours truly included.
You, however, seem to applaud the attack. Looking at your spelling, you are probably not Scumbag JCH (he got a demotion from Recruit).
Seems to me that some NeoCon is afraid that people here might be a bit too effective. Can’t have folks disputing your talking points now, can we?
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Asshole @6,
I made the decision to publish my email address because I wanted to make it easy for people to get ahold of me, knowing full well that it would attract a certain amount of spam. On a normal day, I might deal with 400 to 600 spams, most of which are caught by my spam filter, and don’t get in my way.
What happened yesterday was vandalism.
That you think I deserve to be subject to such attacks speaks volumes about you.
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Work “back” to the IP address of the spammer with your ISP. Perhaps a public outing would help.
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It’s been over two weeks now, and its an open thread, so its time once again to ask Mike! – when did you make the call.
After criticizing Maria Cantwell for “voting against Washington families”, he neglected to mention that Maria Cantwell is the author of a senate bill to restore the State Sales Tax Deduction. The bill passed the Senate, but is still waiting for the Republican House leadership to bring it to the floor of the House.
So for “Mike!”, the supurb negotiator who managed to talk Safeco’s Board of Directors out of 28.4 million dollars for two months of part-time work, this should be easy pickings. Just pick up the phone, and call the Republican Senate Majority Leader and the Republican Speaker of the House, and tell them its vitally important to Washington families that Cantwell’s bill get passed, so would they please quit the partisonship bickering and pass the bill in the House? After all, its “Mike!” who claims that he wants to get beyond partison politics, and work for Washington’s families even if it goes against the wishes of his party leaders, right?????
So Mike! – when did you place the call? Why have you not publically decried the Republicans in D.C. who are costing Washington families hundreds of dollars in tax deductions that are available to states which use an income tax instead of sales taxes to raise funds?
I’ts been two weeks, and not much time is left before Congress finishes business and recesses for the election. Better get too it!!!!
Or maybe, the whole issue is just another misleading campaign issue, like the adds you “regretted” running in Gorton’s campaign, and you have no intention of helping Washington’s families unless it can help you get re-elected at the same time?
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fuck_you_goldy @ 6
A Google bomb is not a DoS attack. Look it up, fool.
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I saw Mike!s new ad whre he tells a cute little story about breaking a window with a skateboard and mowing lawns to pay to back. Then he starts blathering about how “taking responsibility and solving problems” is “what we need as a nation, and that we “need to bring back that kind of…problem solving to our national government.” Mike! should get a clue that people already knows he lies, and thus that his “character” ads ring hollow.
One thing I noticed specifically is that Mike! never says in his ads things like “I will do X.” Seriously, you should listen for that. I’m listening to the ad, and I’m thinking “We need a lot of things, but what are YOU going to do?” Mike! doesn’t answer.
Perhaps Mike! is unsure of or unwilling to say exactly what he stands for. Certainly he tells the audience nothing of what he will do to fix the corruption and ineptness in his party. If McGavick is the best our State Republican Party can do, Washington will continue to have two very effective female Senators in 2007.
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2693
Just a reminder of what’s going on in the rest of the U.S. while we “Blather” on about politics…..
The morning drive host on KZOK this morning (Bob Rivers), at about 6:50 A.M., said he knows that an election is coming up, but he has been avoiding paying any attention to it, and sometime over the next few weeks he will have to set aside some time to look over the Voters Pamplet mailed by the Secty of State’s office. The several other members of the show echoed those thoughts.
So while we have been arguing over politics at some length on this forum, apparantly a lot of the country isn’t even involved yet.
Time to get out and talk to the neighbors, folks. Nature abhors a vacume, and the Republicans will try to fill it with misleading television ads. McGavick has to spend that 28.4 million dollars Safeco provided him for this campaign somehow, doesn’t he? Let your neighbors know the facts in advance, and when the decepting Republican ads start to appear, it will do them more damage than good.
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DaddyLove at 12 – So “Mike!” is re-running those old broken window ads? The ones he was running back in June or July, where he says his mother (or father – I forget which) marched him over to take responsiblity and pay for the window? The ones where he doesn’t even mention what party he’s from, or what office he is running for?
The thing which struck me regarding the original ad – aside from the “stealth” attempt to pretend he wasn’t a Republican – was that he had to have one of his parents make him do the right thing. Maybe its a bit unfair to expect a child to do the right thing all the time, but gee whiz, by the time I was eight I didn’t need my parents to tell me I had to clean up after my own mess, or take responsiblity for damage I caused, even if it was not intentional!
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2695
The Republicans are going to drag out every trumped-up scandal, every bogus charge, every character smear, and every dirty trick in their very large book in order to deflect voter attention to supposedly “local” issues or false equivbalencies (such as between Maria Cantwell’s alleged ethics violation and the Republican culture of corruption) instead of allowing voters to pass judgment on the GOP’s corrupt and deceitful reign, and specifically, their sheeplike and uncritical support for the president’s disastrous policies.
We can’t let this happen. At every turn, we must respond with reminders that it’s all about Bush and Iraq (and Katrina), and it’s about accountability and oversight. Republicans won’t do it, so it’s time for a change. Democrats will hold them accountable.
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2696
I don’t care if your penis is covered with sores, I’ll blow you for five bucks as long as you let me call you Tookie!
–John Craig Herman
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2697
Doctor JCH Kennedy STOP SPAMMING GOLDY!!!!!!!!!!
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2698
The rightwing attack on Justice Gerry Alexander shows just how loony the right has become. Alexander is a lifelong Republican, noted for moderation if not conservatism in both lifestyle and politics. He has never been someone to upset the apple cart. Nonetheless, he is facing baseless attacks from the right. Remarkably and ironically, they accuse him of judicial activism. Judicial activism involves making decisions based on whim and personal bias rather than the law. A judicial activist, Justice Alexander is not. John Groen, on the other hand, is being promoted by fringe rightwingers precisely because they expect him to be an activist, a vote for fringe property rights groups regardless of what the law might demand. Groen is not an attorney who is accomplished and respected, and he has no business thinking he has earned a place on our state’s highest court. Aside from an abundance of chutzpah, he would not be running for Supreme Court.
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An explanation for the mindless rants of wingnuts:
Coulter’s outrageous views and her poisonous rhetoric (click here for examples) rendered her anathema to the respectable right. Over time, though, the Coulter style has gradually crept into conservatism’s mainstream. . . . I’m inclined to think the main driving force is the bankruptcy of contemporary conservatism as represented by the Bush administration. An aggressively interventionist foreign policy has stumbled badly; a sharp cutback in taxes has failed to bring prosperity to the middle class; and, since Hurricane Katrina leveled New Orleans, citizens have come to regard governmental incompetence less as a reason to vote Republican than as a reason to hold Republicans responsible for indifferent stewardship. Things have gotten so bad that the GOP may conceivably lose control of both the House and the Senate in the coming midterm congressional elections.
When you don’t have anything new to say, and what you’ve been saying in the past no longer has much plausibility, you have three choices. You can shut up. For conservative commentators, this is inconceivable, not to mention financially ruinous. You can re-examine your premises. This is not the conservative style. Or you can pump up the volume.
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2700
“Halliburton Co. executives ordered a big-screen television and 10 large tubs of tacos, chicken wings and cheese sticks delivered to Iraq for last year’s Super Bowl, then billed U.S. taxpayers for their party, according to a lawsuit unsealed Friday.”
“The Houston-based company also defrauded the government by double- and triple-billing for Internet, food and gym services for soldiers, according to the lawsuit by a former employee for KBR, the Halliburton subsidiary that runs dining halls for troops in Iraq.”
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I’m sure JCH at least will be properly outraged.
The LA Times story says that the lawsuit which brought this little fiesta to light is just one of “several dozen” that have been filed by U.S. citizens, all charging companies with war profiteering in Iraq. The details of the other cases are being kept from the public until the Justice Department decides whether it wants to be join the suit against the alleged war profiteers. Such cases can be kept secret almost indefinitely as long as the Justice Department claims it can’t make up its mind — which means taxpayers could wait months or years before hearing stories like the Halliburton Super Bowl party.
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Daddy Love @ 11
I know full well what a google bomb is and if you think that it is an acceptable exploitation of internet technologies, than I would say you are the fool. Interfering with people’s right to find information they are looking for is bull shit.
As for you, Goldy, I can sling bad words around too – you’re a fucking asshole. Oh, boy am I mature. If someone intentionally mailbombed you, then that is bull shit, but I am certain you would not have a problem if one of your lemmings did the same to “Mike!” or some conservative blogger.
You’re a fucking hypocrite just like everyone else on this POS.
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2702
Bummer, dude. Goes to show you how the right fights back: dirty.
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21
You have a problem. A person with displaced anger like yours really needs to be in counseling. You probably need medications as well. Would you like a referral? If there was anyone on the right who reads your post who has any principles, they would condemn what you’ve written. I don’t expect to see any such condemnations, however. -
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6 million Muuuuuuslims in the USA…………Gee, I wonder how they vote??? [ANS: The same way as Sandy “Socks” Berger and Carl Grossman] hehe, JCH
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Poor Goldy. The eternal victim.
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FYG
I find your concept of a “right to find information” to be quaint and refreshingly idealistic but probably wrong. You have a right to free speech. Internet search vendors have the right to order information as they please, subject to market trends and to some extent to public regulation. But your “right to find information” outside of public libraries and such? Not so much. It’s great that we can, though, isn’t it?
BTW, I would not say that Google bombs are an “acceptable exploitation of internet technologies” as much as an established one. The question of whether it is “acceptable” is largely moot. At least they are social. I am not sure I would wish for regulation of people’s Internet behavior sufficiently onerous as to end them.
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Having been the victim of an attack like that all I can say is I feel for you.
After tracking back IP addresses, I was able to determine who was doing it. Unfortunately, calls and letters to their ISP did nothing, so my ISP and I had no recourse but to block all email originating from that ISP. My ISP also sued their ISP over it, hopefully yours can do the same.
Hope it gets taken care of soon.
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2708
for you goldy to post yet another “i’m a victim” piece on this ,of all days, is so obscene it’s beyond belief!
it is really all about YOU YOU YOU…….isn’t it?
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Since the only thing the righties seem to understand is playing dirty, I hope some one launches a DNS attack against the homo Steffy at UnSoundPolitics as retaliation. Too bad these cowards won’t step into the open for a fair fight. But that is not the GOP way.
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2710
WOW!
I don’t post on this thread. Nary a word until now, but what do I see? I see that John Craig Herman has mentioned me by name or inference a minimum of FOUR times.
He thinks about me endlessly. He can’t stop. I am in his head. He can’t get me out. (Possibly because there is nothing else in his head.) This man is a doctor like I am an astronaut. Now he is claiming POW experience. This man is a liar, a sham and miserable waste of air.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
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Arguing with a rightie like JCH or MTR is like trying to negotiate with a falling piano. There’s no point in trying to parse what they’re saying and formulate a reasoned response because:
(1.) What they’re saying consists of nothing but lies and delusions.
(2.) THEY’RE NOT LISTENING. Whatever you say, they’ll just keep repeating the same lies over and over and over again. In fact, they’ll do so even if nobody responds to them at all.
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2712
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby ArtFart— 9/11/06@ 4:40 pm
I agree that arguing with JCH and MTR is wasted effort. I doubt that even they believe many of the talking points they spew. That really isn’t the point. They aren’t trying to convince anyone posting here, although they may be trying to convince casual viewers.
They routinely cut-and-paste long articles off of “everything’s Clinton’s fault” websites and then make noise when their obvious lies are not answered point-for-point. I think they’re hoping someone casually reading will think “they must have a point, because nobody has been able to refute it.”
Actually, I think that JCH is a group of pimply-faced 14 year olds who are using their daddy’s computers. They get so pleased with themselves when they can get one of their vowel keys to stick.
The mental picture I have for him/them includes a bunch of high school freshmen standing around and giggling about how clever they are. I doubt that he/they belong to Young Republicans, because I doubt if they would have him/them.
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2713
32 John, it paints an even worse mental picture to think that JCH and Mark are actually grown men.
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Oh, and Carl. Don’t worry too much about JCH. I’m told that some young men tend to fantasize about older men.
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby ArtFart— 9/11/06@ 5:12 pm
“John, it paints an even worse mental picture to think that JCH and Mark are actually grown men.
No, that really doesn’t seem very likely now, does it?
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2716
There’s physical growth, and then there’s emotional growth. I don’t know how much they have of the former, but I have a pretty good guess as to the latter.
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2717
john why dont you go to the flight deck for fod walk down im sure a great chief like you should be able to spot that fod a mile away.ill give you a hint dont pick up any brown fod.
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2718
That you think I deserve to be subject to such attacks speaks volumes about you. Commentby Goldy— 9/11/06@ 2:05 pm
Goldie: What you don’t say but condone speaks double density DVDs of you!
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2719
You know, as this day draws to an end, I realize that I’m more and more pissed at how much Bush has screwed up this country. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al have taken a national tragedy and used that to further their own selfish interest. Worse, they took the good will of this nation, unifying after a tragedy, as an opportunity to ram through their policies in all areas at any cost.
I still (perhaps foolishly) believe they did so with the best of intentions. They figured that the war on terror gave them cover to attack Iraq and settle some scores. I also believe they thought it would be easy, and that they could set up a democracy in the Mid-East which would pacify the region. But in doing so, they took their eye off the real problem, terrorism. And to do so, they fudged everything they could and they preyed off our fears.
Worse, they do not care what we think. They think we are all too stupid to know what is right or wrong, and that only they have the ability to do what is right. Having been proved time and time again wrong, having been shown day after day that their assumptions and reality are at odds, they refuse to admit their mistakes, or, much more importantly, change their actions. Bush’s refusal to hold people accountable and to change leadership when it fails is his worse sin of all.
Hopefully Iraq will not be the failure it is looking more and more like, but what is clearly a failure is the war on terrorism, for Bush has ignored it at the expense of his folly in Iraq.
It has become clear that new leadership is needed at the highest level. At this point, the only thing we can hope for is a Democratic Congress which will at least hold Bush accountable for his continuing mistakes. Perhaps, if faced with the music, Bush will finally take charge, admit his mistakes, and lead the United States of America, and not just the 28% of the population who make up the Republican Party.
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Yes, JDB we don’t need Hillary, or JFK or Howard Dean, or Cheucky Schumer, or Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid.
Will you please step up and get on your problem NOW? STAT! Achtung! Ondele!
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2721
We need Al Gore. He makes us laugh!
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2722
MWS:
Lay off the booze. Go sleep it off. There will be plenty for you to hate in the morning.
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2723
“Al-Qaida lieutenant warns of new attacks” …………Doctor JCH Kennedy warns of Trident Sub unloading all missile tubes on Muuuuuslim targets! Enjoy, mother fucking ragheads!!!!
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MWS: Lay off the booze. Go sleep it off. There will be plenty for you to hate in the morning. Commentby JDB— 9/11/06@ 9:48 pm
If I lay off the booze what will you lay off of? Kos? George Soros? Michael Moore? My my the withdrawal symptoms will make your head hurt more than facts do! Your bitter hatred of GWB is very obvious, it eminates from the words you type.
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2725
Here moonbats see their words watch their joy.
Kind of reminds me of moonbats and their immediate actions regarding GWB when 9/11 happened. Then that phoney God Bless America song sung by moonbats on the capital steps. I bet that was the first time some of those moonbats sang that song in decades. Probably had teleprompters for the moonbats!
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Nothing will be done about Muuuuuuuslim terrorists as long as the 6 million Muuuuuuuslims in the USA vote Democrat.
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Rasmussen now has Bush at 44%
Rasmussen has Santorum trailing Casey 47-43. Just two months ago he was down by 20.
Rasmussen has Tom Kean Jr slightly ahead of Melendez. Melendez was up 6 or more two months ago.
Moonbats: No plan, no fortitude, and no attitude; just hatred and emotion.
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2728
Bush – 39%
Melendez – up by three points
Santorum down by 15 points.
In case anyone wants to know the truth.
Righties – all they have for sale is lies and fear.
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2729
Goldy,
Want me to go over the mail logs from your ISP?
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2730
You are all worried about gettng spammed, ohhh boo hoo, like that’s not a risk of having an Internet blogging presence with open comments. Cry me a river. And technology can fix that, so get it fixed and shutup you whiner.
You want a see a fucking coward? Look in the mirror. What kind of an asshole posts an Open Thread with a still of the President getting assasinated? Is that what you call courageous discourse? If the Democrat gets elected in 2008 will it then be wrong to casually discuss assaasination of the President as appropriate disagreement?
You are a real fucking asshole Goldy. You deserve the spam attacks. The spammers are in the same league as you.
Open thread
Comments
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MORAGA — San Ramon native Deena Burnett returned to the Bay Area from her home in Arkansas on Wednesday to share with college students her experiences on Sept 11, 2001, and to remind Americans freedom is worth fighting for. Burnett said she fell hard the morning of Sept. 11 when her husband, Tom Burnett, called from aboard Flight 93, telling his wife the plane had been hijacked and he and other passengers were planning to ram the cockpit and fight the terrorists. [……………………………………………………………………………….”Tom, Sit down! The Muslim terrorists told me if we all convert to Islam, and chant “BUSH NO GOOD!”, they will land the plane safely at JFK!” [Carl Grossman]]
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2732
So much for the “culture of corruption”. Liar Cantwell has certainly fucked up that strategy. You can bet your moonbat ass that Harry Reid certainly has The Liar on his shitlist. Even if she was to be re-elected, there will certainly be no improved committee assignments awaiting her.
Washington state deserves better. Instead of a useful idiot for the nazidemocrats, we need a real statesman. McGavick is the answer.
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Day 19 September 9 2006 Where’s Goldy?
Mayor Nickels’
unprecedented tax increase proposal and
Tim Eyman’s opposition campaign not only screws the taxpayers into paying extra for basic services, but it also really puts Goldy and the rest of you seattle moonbats in a helluva predicament. I’ve been taunting Goldy for some time now with my “Where’s Goldy” series, and he still won’t tell us where he stands. No doubt, he’s between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out what to do. So as a true compassionate conservative, I’ll lay out the options here for ya Goldy:1) Open up your wallet and pay more and more property tax every year until you are forced out of your home. Even if you can do it, do you want to make seattle a place where only the rich can live? Or do you not give a fuck about anybody else?
2) Join Eyman’s campaign to fight defeat the tax increase, and expose yourself to be the fucking hypocrite that you are. Admit that you are wrong about taxpayer rights, and thank Tim in pubic for giving you the right to vote on major policy issues.
3) Support the tax hike and agree that the tax money has to be raised, but make somebody other than you pay. You could take the tried and true class envy approach and make those “rich people” in Magnolia and Queen Ann pick up the tab. Remember, a “fair tax” in moonbat parlance is a tax that the other guy has to pay.
4) Or just keep quiet and hope I go away. That’s not gonna happen.
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Why democrats and nazis are the same thing:
Democrat politicians and the so-called “liberal” media consistently use variations of the big-lie technique—just like the Nazis.
The theory of the big-lie technique (associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi minister of propaganda, Dr. Josef Göebels) is, the bigger the lie, and the louder and more often you tell it, the easier it is for the public to believe it. The technique was successful because the basically honest public had little insight into the mind of a liar, and instinctively reasoned that no one would dare tell a lie that big. As Hitler stated,“The broad mass of a nation…will more easily fall victim to a big lie than a small one. The greater the lie, the greater chance that it will be believed.”
One of the modern variations developed by Democrats is the many-lie technique, where so many lies are told that we develop a blasé attitude toward the problem.
Another technique, foretold by George Orwell in his once-futuristic book, 1984, is the use of double-speak (called newspeak in Orwell’s book), where terminology is used to mean the opposite of what it sounds like—witness the misuse of the word, “liberal.”
Leading Democrat, Ted Kennedy, as quoted in the January 28, 2002 issue of U.S.News & World Report, smiled and described yet another technique: “…you take someone’s argument and you misrepresent it and you misstate it and you disagree with it. …It’s very effective. I’ve done it myself a number of times.”
The result of the big lies, the many small lies and double-speak is seen in the big truth effect, where the truth now seems so farfetched that people have trouble accepting it—witness the difficulty many will have with this essay. -
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Shit, there goes “peak production”. There goes the “we are running out of oil” argument.
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BRIDGETON — A Bridgeton man charged with participating in the alleged group rape of a 13-year-old Millville girl last week was denied a reduction in bail Friday.
Meanwhile, the Cumberland County Prosecutor’s Office maintains that it has at least five confessions to the rape, in which the girl claimed she was tied up and blindfolded and a tortilla wrapper was used as a condom.
With his bail reduction denied, Alfonso Ponce, 20, of Laurel Street, remained at Cumberland County Jail in lieu of $200,000 bail Friday along with four others charged in the case: Raul Chasares, 24, and Oscar Estrada Lopez, also of Laurel Street; Edson Leones, 19; and Vicente Rodriguez, 25.
Ponce is an illegal immigrant, according to his lawyer, Carlos Andujar. The immigration status of the other four individuals is under investigation. [Hey, this illegal “Democrat-to-be” was just “doing the crimes that Democrat welfare hacks” are to lazt to do!! These fine young Democrats were just “culturally expressing themselves” in a way that young illegal Democrats do!!]
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“a tortilla wrapper was used as a condom.” [A new twist on Democrat “Tookie” love, except we are talking Latin Democrat “love” here!!! As long as these young Democrat rapists vote in November, I think we can look the other way here!! BTW, anyu questions here about crimes would be considered racist and insensitive.]
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MTR, you fucking Right Wing Authoritarian Follower. Get a clue.
tell us all how Cantwell lied. How is it corrupt to loan someone money before she was a Senator and before he was a lobbiest.
Just keep grasping at straws. Come November, your kind can go take a flying leap
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2739
The “appearance of impropriety”. Shit, who knows how rotten she is. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest.
Her computer and freezer should be impounded immediately. And she should have the decency to step down while this whole sordid scandal is investigated.
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2740
Not only did she lie about minimum wage reductions, but now she’s involved in a loan and kickback scandal.
Terrible…
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Shit, another week gone by and STILL no major hurricanes. So it looks like Algore is full of shit… as usual:
Quoting from the gawd of global warming: “Two thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the history of humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will face a string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare ourselves and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. Ladies and gentlemen, the warnings about global warming have been extremely clear for a long time. We are facing a global climate crisis. It is deepening. We are entering a period of consequences.” http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm
Unfortunately, the facts don’t support Algore’s ill informed alarmist predictions.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtmlDecade Category 3,4,5 Hurricanes
1941-1950 10
1951-1960 8
1961-1970 6
1971-1980 4
1981-1990 5
1991-2000 5
2001-2004 3
2005 10
2006 (as of 9/1) 0For you moonbats who know how to use Excel, try this: Take the above data and plot it in chart form. Then apply a second order polynomial trendline to it. Notice the strong downward trend and an R^2 value of 89%. Clearly the number of major hurricanes has been decreasing for 60 years while industrialization and human activity has been accelerating. 2005 is what is known in the adult world as an “anomaly.
If Algore was right, we should have had at least 15 major hurricanes in 2006 by now. How many have we actually had? Umm…. Zero. None. Zip. Nada. So where is the “string of terrible catastrophes”?
Could it be that Algore is full of shit? Could it be that the link between hurricanes and global warming is weak at best? Could it be that there is no fucking “crisis”? Could it be that you koolaid drinkers need to re-examine your position? Nah….
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got to be a full moon, Mark the Red Dicked Welsher and his gal jch are spewing there talking points with CONVICTion. If MTRDW gets $0.20 per post he can pay his known debt by the time the new Democrat led US Congress is sworn in!
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Cantwell didn’t loan him money, where is the proof she loaned him any money? He doesn’t remember receiving the money from the loan and doesn’t know what the loan was for, therefore, there isn’t any loan. Furthermore, he said he doesn’t remember why it wasn’t paid back.
These people don’t even know the loan amount…….
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shit, another week passes and MTR’s mother still lets him go online
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LOL sgmmac… too funny.
Do you think they know what a great source of amusement they are? The are so sanctimonious and take themselves oh-so-seriously… do you think they know we are laughing at them?
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2746
And I love how they know themselves and name themselves so appropriately…
Drivel
treasonous pickle
For the Clueless
The SocialistI’m a bit concerned about the Daddy Love name though…. its sounds a bit like pedophiliac braggadocio.
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2747
How come the first 5 – 15 comments on any post are from wingnuts and completely off topic? I’ve yet to see anything responding to the ad.
Is OBL a priority for the Republicans or not?
If yes, then how come we’re not pushing Pakistan to go after him?
If no, then Bush and his minions should stop using him as a boogie man.If you can’t stay on topic maybe you should get your own blog.
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2748
Wow, a beautiful late summer weekend, and apparently the wingnuts around here have nothing better to do but to post lies.
Oh, by the way, Mark the Yellowback Nazi, pay Goldy for the bet you lost!
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2749
The MTRollfuck saga continues.
The “appearance of syphalitic dementia”. Shit, who knows how rotten his cerebelum is. Clearly, there is a conflict of syphalitic rot and hydrocephalus.
His computer and freezer should be incinerated immediately. And he should have the decency to put a shotgun barrell in his mouth and pull the trigger.
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JCH @ 1
I am so in his head. He thinks about me even when I am not here. He dreams about me and the ass whoopin’ he gets here.
Vote early, Vote often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!
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Is OBL a priority for the Republicans or not?
If yes, then how come we’re not pushing Pakistan to go after him?
If no, then Bush and his minions should stop using him as a boogie man.If you can’t stay on topic maybe you should get your own blog.
Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 5:57 pm
Of course he’s a priority. You’d have to be a moron to think otherwise. He’s suddenly on everyones lips again because (pay attention now) he JUST RELEASED ANOTHER PREVIOUSLY UNSHOWN VIDEO TAUNTING US WITH HIS PLANNING OF 9/11.
Bush would be remiss if he hadn’t mentioned him…. knoda like you folks are remiss when you despise Bush more than you despise the guy that wants you dead.
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*kinda
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“ Osama bin Laden had declared war on us years earlier, but we insisted on seeing him as a small menace, not unlike Abu Nidal and the terrorists who had hijacked planes or killed Israelis over the previous decades. However, bin Laden is above all a man of ambition, not grievance, and his ambition is to re-establish an Islamic Caliphate after his own fashion, one that can destroy every trace of what the West represents within its own sphere and, someday, in ours, too. “
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2754
Nuf – ‘splain the difference between “cerebellum” and “cerebrum”.
We know which one you don’t have.
LMAO…
Don’t talk about stuff you don’t understand.
Dumass…
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@ 21
Of course he’s a priority. You’d have to be a moron to think otherwise.
“I truely am not that concerned about him” George W. Bush.
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If you can’t stay on topic maybe you should get your own blog. -Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 5:57 pm
Ahem.
You might want to notice that the TITLE of this particular thread is (pay attention now)
Open thread
by Goldy, 09/09/2006, 3:47 PMPerhaps you thought we were discussing types of yarn?
And, FYI: I think you spelled your ‘name’ wrong. It’s L O C O.
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2757
Bush has been lying from the beginning. And all that crap that MTR is spewing about democrats and lying, he’s using those same techniques. It’s really the republicans, that is, the Right Wing Authoritarian Conservatives (you know, those guys who really do act like Hitler), who are telling the lies over and over again until a gulible public (MTR and his inbred kind) believes them.
Hell, people still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Those sheep are the same kind of people that allowed Hitler and Mussolini to come to power. -
2758
So, the democraps think terrorism and BinLaden are just a game and they want to play.
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@ 21
like you folks are remiss when you despise Bush more than you despise the guy that wants you dead.
The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. The chance that GWB will steal my liberties and shred the constitution is 100% and the chance that he will turn this country into a right wing night mare is rapidly approaching 100%.
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2760
If you ASSes simply don’t understand this, or refuse to understand this, if your party would rather point fingers at their own countrymen than understand this, then your group does not deserve to be trusted with the lives and safety of America.
The war in Iraq is alternately criticized as a major strategic blunder, something the U.S. should never have done in the first place; or as a tactical fiasco, a worthy enterprise incompetently executed. We would have more sympathy with the second argument if the history of all warfare were not a (retrospective) study in far greater “incompetence,” from Grant’s Wilderness campaign to the needless slaughter of Marines at Peleliu. We’ve cited many of the Administration’s mistakes over the last four years, going back even before the war to its (largely the CIA’s) reluctance to trust and work with all but its own favored Iraqi exiles. But these columns aren’t about to support a war only to back away when things get rough. The mistakes in Iraq at least have some hope of being corrected.
The deeper Iraq argument is that the U.S. should never have gone to war against a country that “posed no threat,” a point supposedly proved by the failure to discover weapons of mass destruction. In fact, Charles Duelfer’s definitive post-mortem report on Iraq’s WMD painted a different picture: Saddam maintained weapons programs that were in “material breach” of U.N. resolutions. And he intended to reconstitute his former programs as soon as the sanctions regime was lifted, something he was well on his way to accomplishing thanks to the global bribery scheme that was the U.N.’s Oil for Food program.
But the notion that Saddam posed no threat beyond WMD capabilities is wrong, and in hindsight the Administration miscalculated politically by emphasizing WMD as it did. That error owed largely to the pressure it was under to take the case for war to the U.N., where Saddam’s violations of his disarmament obligations served as an actionable cause of war. But the real WMD in Iraq’s arsenal was Saddam himself, the threat he posed to his people and his neighbors, and the misbegotten conceits he inspired in a region hungry for a new Saladin or Nasser, someone to redeem Arab honor by standing up to the West.
This was the boil that most needed to be lanced if there was to be any hope that the societies from which the September 11 hijackers hailed could be meaningfully reformed. Saddam in power meant U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia, a chief grievance in bin Laden’s fatwa against America. It also meant $25,000 checks for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, and the costly maintenance of the no-fly zones and the preservation of U.N. sanctions, which the war’s current critics once told us were the cause of thousands of Iraqi deaths from malnutrition and the dearth of medical supplies.
Saddam in power meant that virtually no other Arab problem, such as Syria’s occupation of Lebanon, could be addressed, let alone resolved. In short, Saddam in power locked the Arab world–and America’s involvement in it–into shapes and patterns that were the source of so many of its political and social ills, and that could only be broken by his removal. And, to a remarkable extent, that is just what happened in the two years after the war.
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The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. – Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 6:38 pm
I’d bet every
single
one
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2762
Quarterly 1040 [ES] third payments due next week. OH, I forgot. Most of you “progressives” are tax receivers, not tax payers. Never mind. Rosanna Rosannadana [SNL]
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The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. – Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 6:38 pm
I’d bet every
single
one
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2764
Vote early, Vote often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!
Commentby My Left Foot [……..Voter fraud, Voter fraud, Voter fraud]
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2765
Oh before I forget:
Exclusive.
Was the Jew killer a conservative or liberal. In the Seattle Times we have the following quote:
Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.
“Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….
He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.
“I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities. I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”
Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:
Psssssssssstttttttt…….
Ah it looks like the story was all a bunch of hot air. Well there you have it. Enjoy you Nazi libs
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2766
Goldy posts a video filled with GWB telling lies, and the wingnuts accuse everyone else of being liars. The best defense strategy, I suppose.
But, you nuts can’t hide forever. The Senate Intelligence Committee released a bi-partisan report on Friday that said there was no tie between al Qaida and Saddam, and that Saddam was actually trying to arrest Zarcawi, not train his fighters. It found that the Bush administration repeatedly ignored intelligence that belied a tie, and took the word of Achmed Chalibi and “Curve Ball”, instead.
In other words, Bush lied us into a war.
Republicans. Liars and smear artists, nothing more.
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2767
One more thing, nut cake righties, when you ignore the substance of the charge and go directly into attack on others, you’re admitting the truth of the original statement.
There’s nothing to say about Bush’s lies about Osama and Iraq, is there. He did it, pure and simple.
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Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 11
“For you moonbats who know how to use Excel, try this: Take the above data and plot it in chart form. Then apply a second order polynomial trendline to it. Notice the strong downward trend and an R^2 value of 89%.”
You ignorant fucking moron! Your bin sizes are unequal. To properly fit a polynomial you would have to group the last categories into a similar 10-year category.
But, since you only have 5 years for the last bin, you have a data problem called “right censoring.” One can deal with the right censored data by using a method based on maximum likelihood.
But, given the amateurish statistical errors you make over and over again (e.g. your famous call for an inappropriate chi-squared analysis), I highly doubt you have ever heard of maximum likelihood, let alone have a clue about how to do the analysis correctly
I mean…really, Mark the Thieving Redneck, did you even pass your undergraduate statistics course? Didn’t think so….
Your statistical results are wholly unsound. And I haven’t even gotten to your assumptions. Try again…fucking loser!
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2769
He’s been posting that crap, and other excrement, for over a week now. MTR follows the old Republican strategy of repeating a lie, no matter how disreputable it is.
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2770
Okay, for all you that didn’t get it from the oh, so carefully edited mainstream media:
In the mid-1980’s, Maria went to work for Ron. Shortly thereafter, she started fucking Ron. Ron helped get her elected to the state legislature. Ron was already a lobbyist at the state level. They’ve been doing each other- and letting us pay for it- for over two decades.
In the mid-90’s, Ron’s wife got fed up with Ron. Then he couldn’t pay up on his divorce settlement. But after getting her ass kicked out of Congress after one term, Maria had landed at Real Networks where she was getting rich. So Maria bailed Ron’s ass out with a loan. Just between “friends”…
And then Ron helps her take some of her new riches and buy a Senate seat. Then Ron decides to lobby not just the state, but Congress. Sweetheart deals all the way.
Is any of it sinking in, yet?
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2771
Boy that says it all
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2772
Now that we know Mikey is a thief, liar, drunk and child abuser, do you think that the repubs will just try to find another candidate, or are all of their potential replacements also thieves, liars, drunks and child abusers?
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2773
Sharapova Wins Open Final
WOO HOO i love that woman
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2774
I think there all the same pretty much …. thats why they all look a like. :-/
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2775
“The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. – Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 6:38 pm”
As far as one single person is concerned, you are correct.
Over 1400 females in the US died last year from domestic violence alone – 4 women a day – every day, because their husbands and boyfriends kill them.
More pregnant women die from murder than childbirth every year.
There was over 43 THOUSAND people killed in car accidents last year in the US.
There has been over 2 THOUSAND soldiers killed in Iraq in the last 3 years.
The chances of a soldier dying in a car accident are much greater than that soldier dying in Iraq.
So, QUIT whining about the war!
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2776
That Maria and Ron stuff is just to hard to follow.
Mike the drunk.
Mike the liar.
Mike the insurance companies go to guy.
Mike sucking Ted Stevens’ cock.
That I understand.
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2777
Anony Moose,
I got it now, no wonder the loan hasn’t been paid………… that’s some real expensive sex!
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2778
#46
to much information ack
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2779
ASS what an appropriate name you have. Everyone knows that the only functions a wingnut ASS has is to spew shit or engulf Jim Wests best asset.
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2780
The Senate Intelligence Committee released a bi-partisan report on Friday that said there was no tie between al Qaida and Saddam, and that Saddam was actually trying to arrest Zarcawi, not train his fighters. -Commentby Harry Tuttle— 9/9/06@ 7:13 pm
Uh, uh, uh, sweetcheeks.
You might not want to take your opinions from misleading NYT headlines.
Those that have actually READ the report say that it actually points out SEVERAL ties, however tenuous they may have been, between Sadda, Al Queda and bin Laden.
Of course the NYT would never skew a headline to advance their politics…. just like the Democraps would never try to stifle free speech… unless of course that free speech happens to be spoken against one of their own.
Of course, maybe Bush just believe the MEDIA:
“ Maybe the Bush administration believed there was a bin Laden-Iraq connection because they believed ABC News. In 1999, ABC’s Sheila MacVicar trumpeted how “ABC News has learned that” a top Iraqi official “made a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.” “
Of course, to believe the NYT, you have to ASSume the bi-partisan gaggle that put together the 2002 Congressional Resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq got it wrong too.
“ Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq… “
AJStrata notes that media establishment journalists can’t read:
“ Now I know why journalists get their stories so wrong so often – they lack basic reading comprehension skills. With all the hoopla about the Senate Intelligence report supposedly saying there were no ties between Saddam and Terrorists (despite Iraq documents which log the training of thousands of terrorists, and notes regarding meetings with Al Qaeda) it might behoove people to read them for themselves. “
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2781
Ron Dotzauer owns Maria Cantwell. He got money from her that she laughingly classifies as a loan, but will never be paid back. He sends his clients to her for over $10 million in earmarks from the the federal taxpayer, which she willingly uses her Senate power to make happen. He lies in public that he doesn’t remember why she gave him huge sums of money, which makes her look bad, but he doesn’t seem to care.
Do we really want a Senator who has a puppetmaster? Dotzauer has gotten money for himself, for his clients, for his company. What’s his next requirement from his personal Senator going to be?
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2782
From Josh Marshall:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009704.php(September 09, 2006 — 10:43 PM EST // link)
The CIA has a videotape that shows Osama Bin Laden walking on a trail toward Pakistan at the end of the battle of Tora Bora in December 2001, when he eluded capture by U.S. forces, according to the WP. Since then his trail has gone “stone cold”:$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The clandestine U.S. commandos whose job is to capture or kill Osama bin Laden have not received a credible lead in more than two years. Nothing from the vast U.S. intelligence world — no tips from informants, no snippets from electronic intercepts, no points on any satellite image — has led them anywhere near the al-Qaeda leader, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.
. . .On the videotape obtained by the CIA, bin Laden is seen confidently instructing his party how to dig holes in the ground to lie in undetected at night. A bomb dropped by a U.S. aircraft can be seen exploding in the distance. “We were there last night,” bin Laden says without much concern in his voice. He was in or headed toward Pakistan, counterterrorism officials think.
That was December 2001. Only two months later, Bush decided to pull out most of the special operations troops and their CIA counterparts in the paramilitary division that were leading the hunt for bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for war in Iraq, said Flynt L. Leverett, then an expert on the Middle East at the National Security Council.
“I was appalled when I learned about it,” said Leverett, who has become an outspoken critic of the administration’s counterterrorism policy. “I don’t know of anyone who thought it was a good idea. It’s very likely that bin Laden would be dead or in American custody if we hadn’t done that.”
Several officers confirmed that the number of special operations troops was reduced in March 2001.
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In another indication of how seriously the Bush Administration takes the pursuit of bin Laden, his FBI Most Wanted Poster makes no mention of the 9/11 attack.
— TPM Reader DK
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2783
ahh, janet s stuffs her awsome two cents worth hn the thread.
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2784
More from TPM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009707.phpSeptember 09, 2006 — 11:14 PM EST // link)
Back to the excellent WP story on the hunt for Osama bin Laden. While the story goes on at length about how Bush pulled operatives out of the region for use in the invasion of Iraq and about how the trail is now “stone cold,” it also contains this pertinent piece of reporting:$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
But in the last three months, following a request from President Bush to “flood the zone,” the CIA has sharply increased the number of intelligence officers and assets devoted to the pursuit of bin Laden. The intelligence officers will team with the military’s secretive Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and with more resources from the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies.
The problem, former and current counterterrorism officials say, is that no one is certain where the “zone” is.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Playing politics with terrorism? See, just as I’m trying to break the stranglehold cynicism has on me, something like this comes along. I’m not sure there is such a thing as too cynical with these guys.
— TPM Reader DK
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2785
OK,OK…One more:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009705.php(September 09, 2006 — 11:35 PM EST // link)
One last takeaway from the WP story on the search for bin Laden. Remember how one of the key breakdowns leading to the failure to prevent 9/11 was institutional resistance to sharing intelligence across agencies?Looks like things have really improved:
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Bureaucratic battles slowed down the hunt for bin Laden for the first two or three years, according to officials in several agencies, with both the Pentagon and the CIA accusing each other of withholding information. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s sense of territoriality has become legendary, according to these officials.
In early November 2002, for example, a CIA drone armed with a Hellfire missile killed a top al-Qaeda leader traveling through the Yemeni desert. About a week later, Rumsfeld expressed anger that it was the CIA, not the Defense Department, that had carried out the successful strike.“How did they get the intel?” he demanded of the intelligence and other military personnel in a high-level meeting, recalled one person knowledgeable about the meeting.
Gen. Michael V. Hayden, then director of the National Security Agency and technically part of the Defense Department, said he had given it to them.
“Why aren’t you giving it to us?” Rumsfeld wanted to know.
Hayden, according to this source, told Rumsfeld that the information-sharing mechanism with the CIA was working well. Rumsfeld said it would have to stop.
A CIA spokesman said Hayden, now the CIA director, does not recall this conversation. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said, “The notion that the department would do anything that would jeopardize the success of an operation to kill or capture bin Laden is ridiculous.” The NSA continues to share intelligence with the CIA and the Defense Department.
. . .
Today, however, no one person is in charge of the overall hunt for bin Laden with the authority to direct covert CIA operations to collect intelligence and to dispatch JSOC units. Some counterterrorism officials find this absurd. “There’s nobody in the United States government whose job it is to find Osama bin Laden!” one frustrated counterterrorism official shouted. “Nobody!”
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If Republicans don’t pay a steep price politically this November for this kind of malfeasance, I really don’t know what it will take to convince voters it’s time for a change of course.
— TPM Reader DK
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2786
Do you think rugrat tilts portside with all those left-leaning rags he depends on for “information” and koolaid bullet points?
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2787
I believe that Pam Roach is in fact posing here as Janet S. If you look at the insane comments that Janet has made about Darcy and the same insane comments being made in the paper by the cunt Roach, it is obvious that they are one in the same.
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2788
Do we really want a Senator like Mike McGavick who lies about things like high school sports accomplishments? If he can’t tell the truth about that, why bother?
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2789
OMG!
I found rugrat’s SOURCE!
He just has to hit the RANT button a couple of times… like Pavlov’s dog!
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2790
hells bells…
OMG!
I found rugrat’s SOURCE!
He just has to hit the RANT button a couple of times… like Pavlov’s dog!
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2791
WOW rugrat… it only took you 22 minutes to change your screen identity!
Is that a new record?
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2792
Rightequalsstupid – what exactly have I said that is insane? That Dotzauer owns Cantwell? Why else hasn’t he paid up his debts? He sure doesn’t seem concerned with her reputation. In fact he seems to be going out of his way to make her look feckless. She looks like the love-sick mistress who gives money to her paramour, just because he asks.
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2793
Dialogue deleted from 9/11 miniseries
Posted in Satirist by Sean Fri 8 Sep 2006 @ 9:30 pm
Bowing to pressure from powerful Democrats, the ABC network has deleted a dramatic scene from its upcoming miniseries, “The Path to 9/11.” At enormous personal risk and expense, I have acquired a script of the deleted scene, in which National Security Advisor Sandy Berger makes a momentous decision.
SCENE 185: “BERGER’S CALL”
[Set: mountains, night.]
AFGHAN SOLDIER: There he is, Agent Reynolds. Osama bin Laden himself, right in our crosshairs!
CIA AGENT: Good work, Anwar! Killing this monster now could very well prevent terrorist attacks three years hence!
AFGHAN SOLDIER: Shall I fire?
CIA AGENT: Well, let me just get approval from Washington…
[Set: Berger’s office, day.]
BERGER: What’s that ringing? Do you hear it?
INTERN: It’s your telephone, Mr. Berger, sir.
BERGER: My telephone, you say?
INTERN: Yes, sir. [pause] It’s still ringing, sir.
BERGER: I know that, I can hear it. But where is it? Where is the damned thing?
INTERN: I believe… I believe it’s in your pants, sir.
BERGER: You believe what’s in my pants?
INTERN: Your telephone, Mr. Berger. I mean, I think the ringing is coming from your pants. And I see a telephone-sized lump about…
BERGER: Why, so it is. I’ll answer it. Hello? Berger here.
[Set: mountains.]
CIA AGENT: Mr. Berger, we have acquired Target One, await only your order to neutralize.
BERGER (voice): Huh?
CIA AGENT: I repeat, we have acquired Target One. Confidence is high.
AFGHAN SOLDIER: Tell your superiors that time is short! We could miss this opportunity!
BERGER (voice): Who is this?
CIA AGENT: Um, Agent Reynolds, sir. In Afghanistan? Remember, we were going to assassinate Osama bin Laden today?
BERGER (voice): Oh, yeah, yeah. What about him?
CIA AGENT: We need White House permission to shoot him, Mr. Berger.
[Set: Berger’s office.]
BERGER: Ah. Hold on, let me check with Bill. [to intern] Intern, go ask the President if it’s okay with him to shoot that guy, the one in Amsterdam. [into phone] I’m sorry? [to intern] I mean Afghanistan.
[Set: Door to Oval Office.]
INTERN: [knocking] Mr. President?
CLINTON (voice): Not now!
INTERN: Sir?
CLINTON (voice): I said, not now! Oooohhhhhhh…
[Set: Berger’s office.]
INTERN: Mr. Berger, the President says, “Not now.”
BERGER: Thanks. I’ll just tell this… where’s my telephone?
***UPDATE*** A statement from Sandy Berger’s pants
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2794
Here is a how the moonbats are equal to Hamas!
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2795
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E_ID=51898
Looks like the author of the Dereliction of Duty Book is going on the record!
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2796
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....05_pf.html
Bin Laden Trail ‘Stone Cold’
U.S. Steps Up Efforts, But Good Intelligence On Ground is LackingBy Dana Priest and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 10, 2006; A01The clandestine U.S. commandos whose job is to capture or kill Osama bin Laden have not received a credible lead in more than two years. Nothing from the vast U.S. intelligence world — no tips from informants, no snippets from electronic intercepts, no points on any satellite image — has led them anywhere near the al-Qaeda leader, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.
“The handful of assets we have have given us nothing close to real-time intelligence” that could have led to his capture, said one counterterrorism official, who said the trail, despite the most extensive manhunt in U.S. history, has gone “stone cold.”
But in the last three months, following a request from President Bush to “flood the zone,” the CIA has sharply increased the number of intelligence officers and assets devoted to the pursuit of bin Laden. The intelligence officers will team with the military’s secretive Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and with more resources from the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies.
The problem, former and current counterterrorism officials say, is that no one is certain where the “zone” is.
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2797
Via Rawstoty:
http://www.rawstory.com/showou.....F609090335Army official: Rumsfeld forbade talk of postwar
By Stephanie Heinatz
Daily Press (Newport News, Va.)
FORT EUSTIS, Va. – Long before the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld forbade military strategists to develop plans for securing a postwar Iraq, the retiring commander of the Army Transportation Corps said Thursday.
In fact, said Brig. Gen. Mark Scheid, Rumsfeld said “he would fire the next person” who talked about the need for a postwar plan.
Rumsfeld did replace Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff in 2003, after Shinseki told Congress that hundreds of thousands of troops would be needed to secure postwar Iraq.
Scheid, who is also the commander of Fort Eustis in Newport News, made his comments in an interview with The Daily Press. He retires in about three weeks.
Scheid’s comments are further confirmation of the version of events reported in “Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq,” the book by New York Times reporter Michael R. Gordon and retired Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Bernard E. Trainor.
In 2001, Scheid was a colonel with the Central Command, the unit that oversees U.S. military operations in the Mideast.
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2798
Lefties doing it commie style. They want to censor a documentory because it tells the truth. Once a commie always a commie. hehehe
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http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-b.....ush_Nazi_2
National News
“Bush – Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” – Federal Documents
By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen “enemy national” relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush’s partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment.
Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.
At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.
Denial and Deceit
While Harriman was concealing his Nazi relationships from his government colleagues, Cornelius Livense, the top executive of the interlocking German concerns held under the corporate umbrella of Union Banking Corporation (UBC), repeatedly tried to mislead investigators, and was sometimes supported in his subterfuge by Brown Brothers Harriman.
All of the assets of UBC and its related businesses belonged to Thyssen-controlled enterprises, including his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, the documents state.
Nevertheless, Livense, president of UBC, claimed to have no knowledge of such a relationship. “Strangely enough, (Livense) claims he does not know the actual ownership of the company,” states a government report.
H.D Pennington, manager of Brown Brothers Harriman and a director of UBC “for many years,” also lied to investigators about the secret and well-concealed relationship with Thyssen’s Dutch bank, according to the documents.
Investigators later reported that the company was “wholly owned” by Thyssen’s Dutch bank.
Despite such ongoing subterfuge, U.S. investigators were able to show that “a careful examination of UBC’s general ledger, cash books and journals from 1919 until the present date clearly establish that the principal and practically only source of funds has been Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart.”
In yet another attempt to mislead investigators, Livense said that $240,000 in banknotes in a safe deposit box at Underwriters Trust Co. in New York had been given to him by another UBC-Thyssen associate, H.J. Kouwenhoven, managing director of Thyssen’s Dutch bank and a director of the August Thyssen Bank in Berlin. August Thyssen was Fritz’s father.
The government report shows that Livense first neglected to report the $240,000, then claimed that it had been given to him as a gift by Kouwenhoven. However, by the time Livense filed a financial disclosure with U.S. officials, he changed his story again and reported the sum as a debt rather than a cash holding.
In yet another attempt to deceive the governments of both the U.S. and Canada, Livense and his partners misreported the facts about the sale of a Canadian Nazi front enterprise, La Cooperative Catholique des Consommateurs de Combustible, which imported German coal into Canada via the web of Thyssen-controlled U.S. businesses.
“The Canadian authorities, however, were not taken in by this maneuver,” a U.S. government report states. The coal company was later seized by Canadian authorities.
After the war, a total of 18 additional Brown Brothers Harriman and UBC-related client assets were seized under The Trading with the Enemy Act, including several that showed the continuation of a relationship with the Thyssen family after the initial 1942 seizures.
The records also show that Bush and the Harrimans conducted business after the war with related concerns doing business in or moving assets into Switzerland, Panama, Argentina and Brazil – all critical outposts for the flight of Nazi capital after Germany’s surrender in 1945. Fritz Thyssen died in Argentina in 1951.
One of the final seizures, in October 1950, concerned the U.S. assets of a Nazi baroness named Theresia Maria Ida Beneditka Huberta Stanislava Martina von Schwarzenberg, who also used two shorter aliases. Brown Brothers Harriman, where Prescott Bush and the Harrimans were partners, attempted to convince government investigators that the baroness had been a victim of Nazi persecution and therefore should be allowed to maintain her assets.
“It appears, rather, that the subject was a member of the Nazi party,” government investigators concluded.
At the same time the last Brown Brothers Harriman client assets were seized, Prescott Bush announced his Senate campaign that led to his election in 1952.
Investigation Investigated?
In 1943, six months after the seizure of UBC and its related companies, a government investigator noted in a Treasury Department memo dated April 8, 1943 that the FBI had inquired about the status of any investigation into Bush and the Harrimans.
“I gave ‘a memorandum’ which did not say anything about the American officers of subject,” the investigator wrote. “(Another investigator) wanted to know whether any specific action had been taken by us with respect to them.”
No further action beyond the initial seizures was ever taken, and the newly-confirmed records went unseen by the American people for six decades.
What Does It All Mean?
So why are the documents relevant today?
“The story of Prescott Bush and Brown Brothers Harriman is an introduction to the real history of our country,” says L.A. art book publisher and historian Edward Boswell. “It exposes the money-making motives behind our foreign policies, dating back a full century. The ability of Prescott Bush and the Harrimans to bury their checkered pasts also reveals a collusion between Wall Street and the media that exists to this day.”
Sheldon Drobny, a Chicago entrepreneur and philanthropist who will soon launch a liberal talk radio network, says the importance of the new documents is that they prove a long pattern of Bush family war profiteering that continues today via George H.W. Bush’s intimate relationship with the Saudi royal family and the bin Ladens, conducted via the super-secret Carlyle Group, whose senior advisers include former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker III.
In the post-9/11 world, Drobny finds the Bush-Saudi connection deeply troubling. “Trading with the enemy is trading with the enemy,” he says. “That’s the relevance of the documents and what they show.”
Lawrence Lader, an abortion rights activist and the author of more than 40 books, says “the relevance lies with the fact that the sitting President of the United States would lead the nation to war based on lies and against the wishes of the rest of the world.” Lader and others draw comparisons between President Bush’s invasion of Iraq and Hitler’s occupation of Poland in 1939 – the event that sparked World War Two.
However, others see an even larger significance.
“The discovery of the Bush-Nazi documents raises new questions about the role of Prescott Bush and his influential business partners in the secret emigration of Nazi war criminals, which allowed them to escape justice in Germany,” says Bob Fertik, co-founder of Democrats.com and an amateur ‘Nazi hunter.’ “It also raises questions about the importance of Nazi recruits to the CIA in its early years, in what was called Operation Paperclip, and Prescott Bush’s role in that dark operation.”
Fertik and others, including former Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus, a Constitutional attorney in Miami, and a former Veterans Administration official, believe Prescott Bush and the Harrimans should have been tried for treason.
What Next?
Now, say Fertik and Loftus, there should be a Congressional investigation into the Bush family’s Nazi past and its concealment from the American people for 60 years.
“The American people have a right to know, in detail, about this hidden chapter of our history,” says Loftus, author of The Secret War Against the Jews. “That’s the only way we can understand it and deal with it.”
For his part, Fertik is pessimistic that even a Congressional investigation can thwart the war profiteering of the present Bush White House. “It’s impossible to stop it,” he says, “when the worst war profiteers are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, who operate in secrecy behind the vast powers of the White House.”
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John Buchanan is a journalist and magazine writer based in Miami Beach. He can be reached by e-mail at jtwg@bellsouth.net.
Stacey Michael is a New Orleans-based journalist and the author of Religious Conceit. His most recent book is Weapons of Mass Dysfunction: The Art of “Faith-Based” Politics, due in early 2004. He can be reached by email at staceymichael@religiousconceit.com.
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2800
They want to censor a documentory
Translation: Wow this is the propaganda we’ve ever put out. It’s full of our best wingnut fanatasies. It give me a woody just thinking about it.
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2801
Yeah, rujax, you just keep on with those conspiracy theories. Are you going along with the one about 911? Please keep it up. The vote in November depends on it.
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2802
ASS @ 64: Thanks, that was truly funny.
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2803
They want to censor a documentory
Translation: Wow this is the propaganda we’ve ever put out. It’s full of our best wingnut fanatasies. It give me a woody just thinking about it. -Commentby For the Clueless— 9/9/06@ 11:08 pm
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
ps: aptlynameclueless… that’s Queen Gertrude in Hamlet
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2804
71
Hehehehe Yeah but the only difference is that you donks respond to the rights propaganda by trying to get it censored. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe because it is the truth. hehehehehe
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2805
Translation: Wow this is the propaganda we’ve ever put out. It’s full of our best wingnut fanatasies. It give me a woody just thinking about it. Commentby For the Clueless— 9/9/06@ 11:08 pm
Amazing what a moonbat gets a woody over.
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2806
yoohoo aptlynamedclueless…
Nothing can come of nothing: speak again.”
ps: that’s King Lear
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2807
Mr. Bush has shown for a number of years that Osama Bin Ladin is only a priority at election time. Why should this one be any different.
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2808
Prewar intelligence doubted al-Qaida link to Iraq, report says
By Jonathan WeismanThe Washington Post
WASHINGTON — A declassified report released Friday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence revealed that U.S. intelligence analysts were strongly disputing the alleged links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida while senior Bush administration officials were publicly asserting those links to justify invading Iraq.
CIA said no Al Queda / Saddam links to Bush. Bush said Queda / Saddam links to American People.
Treason. Plain and simple.
Lying about the true threats to our country to start an illegal war.
Treason. Plain and simple.
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2809
Too lazy to actually read the report for yourself eh factless? Oh so much easier to let someone else tell you what to think?
What flavor is your koolaid, today? -
2810
So now right wing traitor lovers…. Explain to me how lying about threats to our country in order to start a war is not treason.
C’mon. Call your friends. Network. Give me an answer.
Official investingation confirms Bush lied about intelligence. Not speculation. Not partisan attacks. Official finding of fact by bi-partisan committee.
Now how is this not treason.
I guess there are 2 types of Americans. Me = oppose lying traitors , and You = support lying traitors.
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2811
Scroll up sweetcheeks.
The link to the report is up there.
Don’t let the 150+ pages daunt you.
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2812
My dog is smarter than your president!!!!!!
Vote Early, Vote Often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!
Conservative: One whose mind is so narrow, that it has been squeezed right out of their head.
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2813
The “appearance of impropriety”. Shit, who knows how rotten she is. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest.
Her computer and freezer should be impounded immediately. And she should have the decency to step down while this whole sordid scandal is investigated.
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 9/9/06@ 5:00 pm
Not only did she lie about minimum wage reductions, but now she’s involved in a loan and kickback scandal.
Terrible…
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY
Grow a brain traitor lover.
McGavic = Republican = bad for America
Cantwell = Democrat = good for America
At least I can add.
Appearance of what? What about Cheney and all those no bid Halliburton contracts for BILLIONS????
Crackpot.
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2814
LMAO well that was certainly a FAST subject change! Whatsamatter bubbe, the other one get a little too demanding for you?
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2815
So tell us, factless, who are those competitors to Halliburton you’re whining about?
Do you know?
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2816
{crickets chirping…}
Let me help you factless.
Halliburtons competitors are…
The Bechtel Group, a private contactor run by the BILLIONAIRE Bechtal family who owns the controlling shares it with a whopping 40,000 full time employees.
Schlumberger Ltd, who is only in oilfield management with 60,000 full time employees.
Technip, a FRENCH company offering construction services in the oil business, with a grand total of 21,000 full time employees.
Now let’s look at big, bad, mean old Halliburton…
Various services, products, maintenance, engineering, and construction to energy, industrial, and governmental customers worldwide with 106,000 full time employees.So let’s recap… considering Halliburton and its only 3 competitors, which company offers MORE and VARIED services? Which company has more employees to offer?
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2817
The silence is deafening.
Hunt those talking points, little libs, hunt em hard.
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2818
Of course, before Dotzauer, it was Maria’s adoration for Alan Cranston which had brought her to Washington State. Yes, Maria wanted to get one of the infamous Keating 5 elected to the presidency. Nice to know that Ron didn’t warp her- she arrived in this state morally deficient, and just fell in with a similar skunk.
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2819
Factless?
Describe the bidding process for the 200 million dollar contract to rebuild the navy base in Louisiana.
Who bid on the contract?
Who was awarded the contract?
http://www.time.com/time/magaz.....11,00.html
By the way, how many terror warnings we were about to be attacked were flatly ignored by the Bushies before 9-11?
I know of about a hundred, including the 54 from the FAA alone.
That freedom of information act reaaly hurts ol bush….
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2820
Answer the question Right Wing Freaks.
So now right wing traitor lovers…. Explain to me how lying about threats to our country in order to start a war is not treason.
C’mon. Call your friends. Network. Give me an answer.
Official investingation confirms Bush lied about intelligence. Not speculation. Not partisan attacks. Official finding of fact by bi-partisan committee.
Now how is this not treason?
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....telligence
Lying about Saddam Al Queda links in order to start a war is treason. Always will be.
Go ahead and defend Bush.
And burn in hell where his robot Un-American defenders belong.
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2821
87 “Now let’s look at big, bad, mean old Halliburton…
Various services, products, maintenance, engineering, and construction to energy, industrial, and governmental customers worldwide”Yup. All of it badly.
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2822
Six years ago, Osama bin Laden realized his dream of hurting America, by making the most incompetent, amoral boob ever to set foot in the Oval Office look like a hero.
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2823
Bah. Mark the Goatroper will no doubt point out how I can’t read a calendar at three in the morning.
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2824
Why Republicans cannot be trusted to keep our nation safe from terrorism, as if anyone needs more evidence than 2001-2006:
“Bureaucratic battles slowed down the hunt for bin Laden for the first two or three years, according to officials in several agencies, with both the Pentagon and the CIA accusing each other of withholding information. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s sense of territoriality has become legendary, according to these officials. ”
“In early November 2002, for example, a CIA drone armed with a Hellfire missile killed a top al-Qaeda leader traveling through the Yemeni desert. About a week later, Rumsfeld expressed anger that it was the CIA, not the Defense Department, that had carried out the successful strike.”
” ‘How did they get the intel?’ he demanded of the intelligence and other military personnel in a high-level meeting, recalled one person knowledgeable about the meeting.”
“Gen. Michael V. Hayden, then director of the National Security Agency and technically part of the Defense Department, said he had given it to them.”
” ‘Why aren’t you giving it to us?’ Rumsfeld wanted to know.”
“Hayden, according to this source, told Rumsfeld that the information-sharing mechanism with the CIA was working well. Rumsfeld said it would have to stop.”
“A CIA spokesman said Hayden, now the CIA director, does not recall this conversation. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said, ‘The notion that the department would do anything that would jeopardize the success of an operation to kill or capture bin Laden is ridiculous.’ The NSA continues to share intelligence with the CIA and the Defense Department.”
. . .
“Today, however, no one person is in charge of the overall hunt for bin Laden with the authority to direct covert CIA operations to collect intelligence and to dispatch JSOC units. Some counterterrorism officials find this absurd. ‘There’s nobody in the United States government whose job it is to find Osama bin Laden!’ one frustrated counterterrorism official shouted. ‘Nobody!’ “
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2825
Why Republicans cannot be trusted with our antions security:
“democrats and nazis are the same thing”
– Mark The Redneck
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2826
and not with our nation’s security, either.
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2827
MTR
What a maroon.
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2828
sgmmac @ 13
“Cantwell didn’t loan him money, where is the proof she loaned him any money? ”
You mean besides the six years that Maria Cantwell has been listing the loan as an asset on her financial dislosure reports?
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2829
ASS
hole.
It’s my name, dickbreath.
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ASS @ 21
“He’s suddenly on everyones lips again because (pay attention now) he JUST RELEASED ANOTHER PREVIOUSLY UNSHOWN VIDEO TAUNTING US WITH HIS PLANNING OF 9/11.”
Isn’t it funny that UBL rleases a four-year-old video just in time for the Republican “be very afraid” campaign reprise 2006. It’s almost as though he WANTS the Boy Idiot and the Gang that Can’t Shoot Straight to go on unhindered, isn’t it? You can just tell how afraid he is of Bush. He’s never had such good times recruiting and raising money since Bush etablished permanent military occupations in two Muslim countries, announced a “crusade,” and encouraged another invasion That is, Lebanon). Yeah, Bush is all over that bin Laden guy.
Speaking of terrorist attacks on Amercia, when is Bush going to announce an arrest in the 2001-2002 anthrax attacks? I feel MUCH safer now.
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2831
102
Daddy, There is NO loan. She is listing the loan on the form to get emergency money, or to cover up missing money.
If there really was a loan, then she would be one of the most morally corrupt Senators around.
Who loans their personal friends money from a campaign fund? What else does her campaingn fund pay for?
Does she really believe that people who donate their hard earned money to her CAMPAIGN fund want her to loan it out to her friends?
Especially to pay off their EX-wives?There needs to be an investigation on this money – now!
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2832
“It’s in the P-I!”
Friday, September 8, 2006 · Last updated 2:05 p.m. PT
Whistle-blower slams Iraq contractor
By DEBORAH HASTINGS
AP NATIONAL WRITERHalliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root charged millions to the government for recreational services never provided to U.S. troops in Iraq, including giant tubs of chicken wings and tacos, a widescreen TV, and cheese sticks meant for a military Super Bowl party, according to a federal whistle-blower suit unsealed Friday.
Instead, the suit alleges, KBR used the military’s supplies for its own football party.
Filed last year in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., by former KBR employee Julie McBride, the lawsuit claims the giant defense contractor billed the government for thousands of meals it never served, inflated the number of soldiers using its fitness and Internet centers, and regularly siphoned off great quantities of supplies destined for American soldiers.
McBride was hired by KBR in 2004 as a “morale, welfare and recreation” coordinator at Camp Fallujah, a Marine installation about 35 miles west of Baghdad. She was fired the next year after making several complaints about KBR’s accounting practices, the suit says, and was kept under guard until she was escorted to an airplane and flown out of the country.
Halliburton denied McBride’s allegations.
“The claims included in this lawsuit clearly demonstrate a complete misinterpretation of facts as well as a lack of understanding of KBR’s contractual agreements with its customer,” said company spokeswoman Melissa Norcross in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
The Super Bowl incident occurred in January 2005, the suit said. “McBride witnessed a large amount of food that was ordered specifically for a Super Bowl party for the military” taken instead to the company’s lodgings. “About 10 large metal tubs full of tacos, chicken wings, (and) cheese sticks were taken from the military party site to a KBR camp for a KBR Super Bowl Party for KBR employees,” according to the complaint. A widescreen TV was also removed.
McBride worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week, at Camp Fallujah’s recreation center, where the government was billed according to the number of soldiers using the contractor’s facilities, which included a weight room, video games, Internet cafe, a library and phone bank, the suit says. She alleges that KBR deliberately overstated the number of military personnel using its services by counting the same person several times. For example, a person who used a computer was counted as one. If that person went on the weight room, another count was added to the list of patrons.
“It wasn’t double-dipping, but triple dipping or even quadruple billing,” the suit claims.
Attorney Alan Grayson, who represents McBride, said “millions of dollars have been submitted by Halliburton for recreational services” not provided.
The “qui tam” suit, filed under the federal False Claims Act, allows citizens to sue on behalf of the government against contractors who make false claims for payment. The plaintiffs are eligible to receive a percentage of awarded damages, which are tripled in this type of suit.
Such suits are usually sealed for 60 days while the Justice Department investigates the claims and decides whether the U.S. Attorney’s office will sign on as a co-plaintiff.
The Justice Department declined comment Friday on why it chose not to participate in McBride’s suit.
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ASS @ 30
Oh, “quoting” the WSJ opinion page? What a surprising place to find someone who will tell us what a jolly great idea invading Iraq was! That train left the station a long time ago, pal. America thinks you guys are idiots for doing it. And they’re right.
Speaking of quoting, how about actual quotes from the Duelfer report:
“Saddam Hussein ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf War. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program.”“While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.”
“In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW (biological weapons) quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes.”
“ISG thoroughly examined two trailers captured in 2003, suspected of being mobile BW agent production units, and investigated the associated evidence. ISG judges that its Iraqi makers almost certainly designed and built the equipment exclusively for the generation of hydrogen. It is impractical to use the equipment for the production and weaponization of BW agent.”
I agree that it does seem to be definitive. BTW, a search of the Duelfer report PDFs rveals only one use of the term “material breach,” which was in a quote from UNR 1441. It was not a conslusion by Duelfer.
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2834
Aony Mose @ 89
“one of the infamous Keating 5 ”
McCain supporter, are you?
“Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” — John McCain
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2835
Janet S @ 63
“Dotzauer owns Cantwell?”
I’m guessing you’ve never had any money and never will. Dotzauer “owns” Cantwell based on a $15K loan between two millionaires? Sure thing, babe. Or “tough as nails” Maria Cantwell is all googly-eyed over a guy she may have dated years ago? Yeah, right. She’ll pull the stones right out of Mike the Civil’s little scrotum, she will.
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2836
Those that have actually READ the report say that it actually points out SEVERAL ties, however tenuous they may have been, between Sadda, Al Queda and bin Laden.
The wingnuts are really good at spouting things like the above.
Of course, the writer doesn’t claim to be among those who have read the report, so I’ll provide the opportunity to do so here:
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
It, of course, does speak of all the lies made by Chalabi and the INC linking Saddam and al Qaeda, and the majority opinion is that they are bullshit.
But, Roberts, Bond, Hatch and Chambliss attempt to put lipstick on their Propagandist in Chief’s statements in a minority opinion.
I choose to believe the majority as well as, by now, anyone with the slightest acquantance with reality.
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2837
sgmmac @
You make a lot of claims that could use some support.
“>i>There is NO loan. She is listing the loan on the form to get emergency money, or to cover up missing money.”
Which is why she has listed it as a loan for six years. What you say, besides lacking documentation, does not make sense. She lists the loan on the form as an asset much like an account receivable on a business balance sheet. How doe sthat get her ’emergency moany,” and why would a millionaire wo had $5 million of campaign funds in the bank want or need “emergency money?” It sounds like you’re just babblng conspiriacy theory nonsense.
“If there really was a loan, then she would be one of the most morally corrupt Senators around.”
I fail to see how a minor ethics rules violation where she received no money whatsoever compares in ANY way with, say, the outright acceptance of bribes for legislative favors of, for example, “Duke” Cunningham or Bob Ney, to name a couple of the GOP’s most egregiously corrupt members.
“Who loans their personal friends money from a campaign fund? What else does her campaign fund pay for? Does she really believe that people who donate their hard earned money to her CAMPAIGN fund want her to loan it out to her friends?”
You seem to have a pretty unique take on the source of the funds. Maria Cantwell’s campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, said only that “it was a personal loan from Sen. Cantwell to Mr. Dotzauer, made before she was a senator.” Didn’t sound too campaign-y. Again, if you have documentation for your wild claims, I’m sure we’d all love to see it. You may be mistaking the FEC campaign finance disclosure report with the personal financial disclosure forms required of every Congressperson. This has nothing to do with her campaign financial disclosure.
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2838
Answer the question Right Wing Freaks.
So now right wing traitor lovers…. Explain to me how lying about threats to our country in order to start a war is not treason.
C’mon. Call your friends. Network. Give me an answer.
Official investingation confirms Bush lied about intelligence. Not speculation. Not partisan attacks. Official finding of fact by bi-partisan committee.
Now how is this not treason?
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....telligence
Lying about Saddam Al Queda links in order to start a war is treason. Always will be.
Go ahead and defend Bush.
And burn in hell where his robot Un-American defenders belong.
The Washington Post:
WASHINGTON — A declassified report released Friday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence revealed that U.S. intelligence analysts were strongly disputing the alleged links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida while senior Bush administration officials were publicly asserting those links to justify invading Iraq.
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2839
Liar Cantwell should step down for a while until this sordid mess can get untangled. Clearly, she can’t be trusted any more. The FBI should seize her computer and freezer immediately. Loans, kickbacks, sleaze, corruption, conflict of interest, possible criminal action…
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2840
We should have known something was up when lied about something as trivial as minimum wage…
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2841
Jump up and down. Kick your dog. Molest your little sister. All the noise in the world you right wing traitor lovers make does not change the fact that you support animals that lie to you, and me in order to start wars, and carry out their plans for “a new world order” or god knows what.
There was no intelligence failure, unless you count your intelligence. The CIA said no proof of any wmd’s. Bush went ahead and lied about it anyway knowing you sheep would support him no matter how many lies he told.
It feels great that 1/3 of America cares nothing for the truth, accountability, or the rule of law. Republican sheep traitors.
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2842
The same people demanding Clinton be impeached because he thought getting a bj was different than having intercourse, and said so under oath.
Republicans make real Americans want to puke.
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2843
MTR – that is one unhinged bet-welsher. The closer to November, the more delusional.
Have your read The Economist editorial yet on Global Warming, bet-welsher? Why don’t you take your chi-squared bullshit to the “moonbats” over there?
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2844
KOMO News 4 (ABC) Tip Line
1-888-477-5666
Please call them up, and let them know of the breaking news. If they air the abortion of the 9-11 tragedy tonignt there will be hundreds of us calling their advertisers and complaining.
Get vocal.
Don’t let ABC trash Bill Clinton with lies all over again.
Call them up, and let them know how much damage WE WILL DO TO THEM BY ATTACKING THEIR ADVERTISERS!!!!!
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2845
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2846
Yes, he’s right, there are 2 types of Americans:
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = anti-neocon, and ME = neocon.
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = no terrorists, and ME = moonbats are friends of terrorists.
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = don’t use islamofascist, and ME = call them what they are; islamofascists.
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = won’t attack me, and ME = they’ll attack anyone not islamofascist.
Can’tFindFactsIfHeWalkedIntoOne & Clueless = dumb and dumber, and ME = see them for what they are; moonbats.So to repeat; this one sums it up:
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = anti-neocon, and ME = neocon.
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2847
Notice that Janet S didn’t deny being Pam Roach?
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2848
Call me names, while defending an administration that ruined America’s credibility worldwide, destroyed our military, doesn’t take care of our vets, lies repeatedly, added 4 trillion dollars to our national debt while giving huge tax breaks to the top 1%, took our nation to war with a country that did not harbor Al Queda, or have WMD’s, pretends global warming is not real, plans on drilling our way out of our energy problems, and the list goes on, and on, and on. You support these lying traitors. I will support change.
I will take my positions over yours any day, and twice on Sunday.
As far as terror is concerned, I think we should be killing terrorists. You think we should just be creating more….
Every time an innocent muslim dies, the people that hate us get stronger, and we get weaker.
As long as “towlheads” are dying that is all that will keep you happy?
Just name what the 100,000 dead Iraqis did to deserve us causing their deaths by invasion, torture, or negligence?
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2849
Did anyone catch this. Clinton wanted to expand “legal” wiretapping to help fight terror, and was blocked by REPUBLICANS. Reading this article could send a chill down any Red Blooded American’s spine.
Why shold Republicans fight terror, when they can play politics with every issue, and make Americans less safe every day.
Better read this.
Be sitting down.
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....h-for.html
Anyone that thinks Republicans would be better at fighting terror should be locked in a rubber room. For life! -
2850
Janet S/Pam I noticed that you attacked Darcy for being a mother trying to run for Congress while raising a child. Did it bother you that Mike McGavick admitted abandoning both his son and wife to run a political campaign? If not, why do you have such a double standard? If so, does this mean you will support Cantwell? And by the way, should we take child rearing advice from someone who’s own children turned out so poorly?
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2851
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....telligence Vomit by Facts Support My Positions— 9/10/06@ 1:28 am
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne:
1) There already is demonstrative evidence in the Senate report part 2 overlooked by the moonbats news services to discredit your “facts”.
2) Didn’t Goldie: Fearful Leader of the NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbats blog he couldn’t trust the Seattle Times? Google it moonbatsSo why are you throwing this fishrag as your gospel source?
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2852
I understand there are people out there that hate America, and want to kill me.
I also understand that because of Bush’s insane actions that even more people hate me and want to kill me.
Bush didn’t create the problem, but he just poured a million gallons of gasoline on the fires of hatred.
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2853
“Now let’s look at big, bad, mean old Halliburton… Various services, products, maintenance, engineering, and construction to energy, industrial, and governmental customers worldwide”
Yup. All of it badly. Commentby ArtFart— 9/10/06@ 2:54 amProve this dribble with facts, ArtFart. Please fart on this blog so we can see the “facts supporting your position”.
Fact – In Iraq after the three week run to Baghdad, Halliburton constructed full 10 & 20,000 sq ft mess halls in less than two weeks.
Fact – After the three week run to Baghdad, Halliburton tankers fueled the military more efficiently than any other war to date.
Fact – Who used Halliburton in the Balkans before he left office 1/20/2001?
I’ll stop here because facts hurt the librul mind!
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2854
Actually it is the Washington Post. It was just printed in the Times. It sucks when reality is 180 degrees from your position…
It kinda sucks then our president is “imagining” terrorist threats, and terror ties.
What is the word I heard yesterday?
Fabricated intelligence.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com.....2518.shtml
Fabricating intelligence is a crime right?
Only to an American. To a fascist it is SOP.
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2855
I think they’re right, MTR. You are ihinged. Get thee to Home Depot!
So the FBI is going to seize property from Maria Cantwell for violating a Senate rule, when ty’re not even investigating? Personally, I’d prefer that they catch the anthrax terrorist, but I don’t have much hope of that happening while Bus is president and “yes, sir!” Gnzales is AG. can appreciate the propaganda vlaue of trying to tie her minor ethics infraction to Rep. Jefferson’s (alleged but suspiscous-appearing) bribe-taking, but the mere fact that she never receievd any money from her friend kind of undercuts that, doesn’t it?
I used to think you were a person in here with whom dialog was possbile, but now all I expect is that you’ll ignore the question and either repeat your ridiculous allegations or declare yourself the “winner” again, or both. You’re nothing now if not sad and predictable.
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2856
Facts only support my positons. Who at Halliburton was arrested for defrauding the government?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....6644.shtml
I pay my taxes so they give my money to Halliburton, and trust them to treat me fairly since there are no audits, or accountability, or prosecutions for fraud….
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Okay since moonbats hate Halliburton let me present your favorite one, The Shaw Group, – run by moonbats. Notice we don’t hate Hallibruton, we let the facts speak for themselves; from moonbat sites themselves because moonbats don’t know who run the businesses at the top!
“Reconstruction” of NOLA = “Reconstruction” of Iraq? http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/2873
Submitted by Sussel on Sun, 2005-09-11 16:05. General Discussion
“Reconstruction” of NOLA = “Reconstruction” of Iraq?
By Murshed Zaheed
Posted on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 12:21:08 PM ESTSo the “Shaw Group” lands two $100 million contracts for NOLA reconstruction. Apparently this company is client of Allbaugh (according to TPM). The contract is same as controversial Halliburton contract in Iraq (Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity) whereby company just bills govt as it goes with profit determined as percentage of costs (gives company incentive to increases costs):
BATON ROUGE, La., Sep 08, 2005 (BUSINESS WIRE) — The Shaw Group Inc. (SGR) today that is has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (ID/IQ) contract from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to aid in the recovery and rebuilding efforts. Shaw will provide supervision, equipment, materials, labor, logistics, and all means necessary to provide the Corps of Engineers an immediate response for construction contract capability. The contract will provide construction and related services including program planning, scheduling, design, engineering, transportation, construction management, and quality control. Under this contract, Shaw has received its first task of pumping floodwater from the city of New Orleans out and over the levees. Shaw is using temporary pumps and is repairing and restarting the existing pump stations. The $100 million contract has a base period of one-year, with an additional one-year option. Shaw announced earlier today a $100 million ID/IQ contract award by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to provide support services in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, including housing assistance for displaced residents.
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Why deos Halliburton even get contracts? One of the first things Bush did in office was reverse a Clinton set of regulations barring companies with histories of violations of government laws from getting government contracts.
Democrats clean up government, Republicans just clean up.
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Daddy – All I’m saying is that Cantwell can’t be trusted any more. She needs to step aside while this whole thing is investigated. Who knows what other sleazy crap she’s mixed up in?
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Vote early, Vote often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!!
Soon, we will have our damn country back!!!!!!
Bush will be the typical lame duck president with no balls!!!!!
Nearly two thirds of this country is fed up with the way the president is handling Iraq and the economy. The personal attacks are increasing, because when you are wrong, you can’t debate issues you have already lost. The alternative is nasty politics, name calling and lying. This time the Amerian public won’t fall for it. Goodbye WingNuts.
Nah Nah Nah Naaaaaah, hey hey, gooooobyeeeeeeee…. let the fat lady sing.
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#131 use the whole URL I posted! It’s from http://www.currentsauce.com
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Why deos Halliburton even get contracts? One of the first things Bush did in office was reverse a Clinton set of regulations barring companies with histories of violations of government laws from getting government contracts. Democrats clean up government, Republicans just clean up. Commentby Daddy Love— 9/10/06@ 10:30 am
I ask again: Who authorized the use of Halliburton in the Balkans?
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Moonbats: Why do you support the UN when they SCREW Israel time and again? Now the French and Italians say they will not stop foreign ships and inspect them for Iranian weapons being sent to Hezbollah.
You are the anti-neocons. You support the UN and French/Italian positions of screwing over Israel.
We are the neocons. We DO NOT SUPPORT the feckless UN and F/I positions over boat inspections.
Why does Goldie support the destruction of his ancestrial home and native land? Where is he true patriot blood? Why doesn’t he want it strong and free? Why isn’t he over there guarding it? Because he can’t admit to these things. GOLDIE IS A MOONBAT ANTI-NEOCON! THROUGH AND THROUGH
I for one, hope we have satellite intel going to Israel on boat loading as Goldie’s friends the Iranians load rocket parts on ships bound for Lebanon! Goldie hasn’t come out supporting Israel (some of him minions have blogged tepid support) so he must be for the other side!
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Amazing how a left wing moonbat contradict himself when the facts come out:
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/sto.....8;nav=3YeX
“”He has run such a negative campaign up until this point that he had to reach back eight years to find something new to attack Joe Lieberman about — and in this case, he was so desperate to lash out that he didn’t seem to care that he was completely contradicting himself,” Brown said. “
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Hello moonbats: I’ll ask again: Who authorized the use of Halliburton in the Balkans? If they were such great US societal members back then, why do you hate them now?
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“Name any major legislation they (Republicans) have passed, and Bush signed into law that helped normal Americans, and hurt the super rich, and large corporations.”
It has been 2 days, and the Bush Apologists have still not answered this question. C’mon. Call Rove or something. Name something. Anything.
As far as raising taxes, the Republicans put us so far into debt the following Democratic presidents have to raise taxes. It is a double edged sward. Go bankrupt, or raise taxes.
As long as the super rich are getting their taxes cut they are happy, and that is all the GOP cares about anyway…..
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So, here we are … 5 years past a national tragedy and some Americans are still blaming their fellow countrymen and coddling terrorists.
Here we are … 5 years past a national tragedy in which 2,996 AMERICANS died at the hands of vicious murderers that despise every single thing about the Amerrican way of life, including and especially the freedom of speech that is demonstrated here.
2,996.
What does 2,996 mean today?
2,996 is a tribute to the victims of 9/11. On September 11, 2006, 2,996 volunteer bloggers will join together for a tribute to the victims of 9/11. Each person will pay tribute to a single victim.
So, I just have wonder… where’s la goldie? Which victim of 9/11 whose tragically ended life has he chosen to research and share with us?
***
While many are remembering and mourning those 2,996 today and tomorrow, I am remembering just one person and not in context of 9/11/01.
On September 10, 2002, Lida Roma F. K. died unexpectedly and far too soon. She was my mother. She was a beautiful woman, a wife of 51 years, the mother of 3 and grandmother of 7.
You are loved and you are missed. I nostri cuori rimangono pesare. Prego il nostro Dio, dà la sua benedizione. Nostra Madre, amiamo.
***
Enjoy your sniping and hatred liberals… today (for me) and tomorrow (for us all) are time for neither.
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Sorry. I missed a link…
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@108 Daddy Love- anyone who followed the Keating 5 knows that neither McCain nor Glenn had done anything wrong- the Senate Dems kept McCain in the complaints to keep it from being the Democrat-only scandal that it was- and had to keep Glenn in in order to keep McCain in. Cranston was censured. Cranston, Riegle, and DeConcini all refused to face the voters again after their misconduct and retired from the Senate. Both Glenn and McCain were re-elected by their voters. The ethics committee’s special counsel had concluded that of the five, Glenn and McCain were not substantially involved in the influence-peddling scheme.
But Maria’s first great light had helped create the savings and loan crisis… And she has gone on to influence peddling from her bedroom ever since…
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And Daddy Love- Dotzauer was not a millionaire when his little hotty bailed him out- he had been repeatedly held in contempt for not making the payments to his ex-wife. With Maria out of office, maybe he just wasn’t doing as well…
Oh, how his tide of fortunes changed when she bought her Senate`seat…
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Moonbats and other way out left-leaning librul whack-jobs: Did you see or read Senator Jay Rockefeller? What a liar! Oh yes he’s the “other” senator from West Virginia!
He’s the ranking donko on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
On October 10, 2002, Senator Rockefeller told the Senate that insisting on further intel would put Americans at risk:
“There has been some debate over how ‘imminent’ a threat Iraq poses. I do believe Iraq poses an imminent threat. I also believe after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. … It is in the nature of these weapons that he has and the way they are targeted against civilian populations, that documented capability and demonstrated intent may be the only warning we get. To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? I do not think we can.”
Why did he think that? Let’s turn to that Phase II report to see (page 75 forward):The ability of al-Qa’ida to procure training in chemical and biological weapons (CBW) particularly concerned the Intelligence Community prior to the war. Prewar reporting about training varied in reliability and was often contradictory. Regarding Iraqi provided CB W training to al-Qa’ida, Iraqi Support for Terrorism judged:
Details on training range from good reports from senior al-Qa’ida members to those of second-hand sources of varying reliability, often the result of long and opaque reporting chains or discussions of future intentions rather than evidence of completed training. The general pattern that emerges is of al-Qa’ida’s enduring interest in acquiring
CBW expertise from Iraq.CIA also stated that:
Some of the most ominous suggestions of possible Iraqi-al-Qa’ida cooperation involve Bin Ladin’s CBW ambitions. Although Iraq historically has guarded closely its strategic weapons information, experts, and resources, Baghdad could have offered training or other support to al-Qa’ida.
The CIA relied heavily on the information obtained from the debriefing of detainee Ibn al-Shaykh al-Lib& a senior al-Qa’ida operational planner, to assess Iraq’s potential CBW training of al-Qa’ida. The January 2003 paper, Iraqi Support for Terrorism, reported that al-Libi told a foreign intelligence service:
Iraq-acting on the request of al-Qa’ida militant Abu Abdullah, who was Muhammad Atif’s emissary-agreed to provide unspecified chemical or biological weapons training for two al-Qa’ida associates beginning in December 2000. The two individuals departed for Iraq but did not return, so al-Libi was not in a position to know if any training had taken place.
The September 2002 version of Iraqi Support for Terrorism stated that al-Libi said Iraq had “provided” unspecified CBW training for two al-Qa’ida associates in 2000, but also stated that al Libi “did not know the results of the training.“ In the June 2002 paper, Iraq and al Qa ‘ida: Interpreting a Murky Relationship, the CIA also stated that al-Libi claimed Iraq had “provided” unspecified CBW training for two al-Qa’ida associates in 2000. That report omitted the qualification that al-Libi did not know the results of the training.
Now he speaks the following lies: “The absolute cynical manipulation, deliberately cynical manipulation, to shape American public opinion and 69 percent of the people, at that time, it worked, they said ‘we want to go to war,'” Rockefeller told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson. “Including me. The difference is after I began to learn about some of that intelligence I went down to the Senate floor and I said ‘my vote was wrong.'”
Rockefeller went a step further. He says the world would be better off today if the United States had never invaded Iraq — even if it means Saddam Hussein would still be running Iraq.
He said he sees that as a better scenario, and a safer scenario, “because it is called the ‘war on terror.'”
Does Rockefeller stands by his view, even if it means that Saddam Hussein could still be in power if the United States didn’t invade?
“Yes. [Saddam] wasn’t going to attack us. He would’ve been isolated there,” Rockefeller said. “He would have been in control of that country but we wouldn’t have depleted our resources preventing us from prosecuting a war on terror which is what this is all about.”
So another donko sentaor forgetting his past. Oh yes, he’s the “other” senator from West Virginia!
Yes moonbats MWS is a neocon. Now with Saddam gone, we can pressure other whack-job states like Syria and others around Hezbollah support!
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@133- Yes, Daddy Love- that is why Maria and Patty went to bat to keep Boeing from being banned from government contracts for ITS violations of the laws. You are so full of bullshit it just can’t help coming out, can it.
In fact, Boeing’s violations were substantially more egregious than Haliburton’s.
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Notice that Janet S didn’t deny being Pam Roach?
Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 9/10/06@ 10:04 am
“Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” – John McCain
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/10/06@ 7:39 am
Notice that Janet Reno never denied being Chelsea’s daddy…?
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I mourn for the brain of howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingCHRISTIANISTbitch.
Her brain died as the turkey baster entered her…well YOU know.
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Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long ons, absent some catastrophic event — like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic polititics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.
— Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century. Project for a New American Century, September 2000
So, 9/11 was such a needed catalyst the neo-cons had yearned for to jumpstart their mad plans. Public breast beating serves only to further that evil aim, not to mourn the deaths of those trapped in the World Trade Center. They were only pawns in the neo-con’s game.
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If you believe Richard Armitage, the cowardly lion who used to be a Deputy Secretary of State in this crackerjack administration, “inadvertently” leaked Valerie Plame’s name to columnist Robert Novak you still believe in Saddam having weapons of mass destruction
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If you believe Richard Armitage, the cowardly lion who used to be a Deputy Secretary of State in this crackerjack administration, “inadvertently” leaked Valerie Plame’s name to columnist Robert Novak you still believe in Saddam having weapons of mass destruction Commentby My Left Foot— 9/10/06@ 11:35 am
Carl, more facts to hurt your librul mind:
Patrick Fitzgerald (you remember of Goldie’s Merry Fitzmas fame) TOLD Armitage to keep quiet.
All the facts I need to know are in that statement! Goodbye moonbat, you may leave now!
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Moonbats why when you are cornered like the democRATS you are want to shut down Disney/ABC?
“We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation.
The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. …
Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the factual record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American people and the United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We look forward to hearing back from you soon.”
Why did your congressional donko friends plan on using the power of the federal government to demand political changes to a program before it airs, which in itself is a dangerous precedent?
When the Reagan “documentary” was being bantied about did congressinal Republicans call for the removal. No!
Did congressional Republicans threaten CBS’ broadcast license? No!
Did congressional Republicans threaten government censorship if they don’t get their own way? No!
Did congressional Republicans whip out lawyers like Clinton has done? No!
Did congressional Republicans Threaten CBS with legislative and regulatory reprisals over content of Reagan Film? No!
Did congressional Republicans threaten the CBS with free speeach writs? No!
So how can Goldie and the Furballettes support this attack on ABC? Only from the mind of a moonbat!
Just asking moonbats: What did Kos or Michael Moore have say this morning? Did you get the latest ingredients for your September 10, 2006 kool-aid?
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But whatever Mr. Armitage did, or says he did, in no way alters what Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby did in the days that followed, nor does it change their intentions. It’s a simple concept — two people or more can commit a similar act for entirely different reasons — but evidently it has flummoxed the great minds of contemporary journalism.
— Joe Conason
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Awww, Poor Mummified Brain Tuttle: In the words of your “black” hero Jesse Hi-Jackson: “Keep Hope Alive” on Karl Rove! Since you and the moonbats here on ASSes multiple Rove attacks of October 2005 and May 2006 fizzled, you keed to “Keep Hope Alive”. Keep on trucking Mummified, you got to keep on trucking (Eddie Kendricks, 1973)
It’s over. Fitzgerald would have indicted them all. Fitzgerald to Armitage to hush about his “leak”. Too bad the formaldehyde is pickling your brain and an ever accelerated rate!
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I hit the enter key too fast.
Prospect.Org. Now here is a real librul moonbat web site. Just a step below Kos but it’s moonbatty enough!
Notice the moonbats on the Prospect forget the Senate Report and the Senate Report II have said Joe Wilson said one thing to Congress and another to the NY Times.
How do you know a librul is lying? They run the othe NY Times and write OPed pieces.
Can you say Joe Wilson?
Can you say Paul Krugman?
Can you say Frank Rich?
Can you say Maureen Dowd?
What does Chucky Schumer know and when did he know it?
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Erratum: run the othe NY Times … should be run to the NY Times
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Herry maybe YouTube is more your speed!
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MTR @ 134
“All I’m saying is that Cantwell can’t be trusted any more. She needs to step aside while this whole thing is investigated. Who knows what other sleazy crap she’s mixed up in? ”
Come to think of it. Mike! Mcgavick had a DUI and continues to drink by his own admission. WHO KNOWS how many times has has violated our liquor laws? He should immediately suspend his campaign while we investigate!
Sure, bud. Maria Cantwell violates the letter of a Senate ethics rule (though not its spirit–which is intended to keep Senators wo have benefited financially from ties to lobbyists from doing businesss that in turn benefits the lobbyist) by years-old transaction that was so secret that she declared it on her personal financial disclosure forms every year of her term, and you want us to think that some hughe corruption scandal is brewing. It just isn’t.
You know how ethics rules violations are handled? You should, after Newt Gingrich and Tom Delya were both investigated and penalized. The Ethics Committee wil investigate and, if needed sanction the Member. It’s not external at all; it’s totally a Senate matter.
Step down frm her Senate seat for a triviality such as this? Eevn you can’t gin up a corruption scandal here.
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137
Halliburton (Kellog, Brown & Root) provided services for hundreds of millions of dollars during the Kosovo Air Campaign, and throughout the Bosnia conflict and occupation. They are still there providing those services. They were a Godsend to those of us in the military who were there. Yes, our Commander in Chief was Clinton and I am very glad that he did not make us go without those life support services.
I liked clean uniforms, toilets, showers and the food was manna from heaven after 3 weeks of eating MRE’s. I wouldn’t have wanted to eat MRE’s for 5 months………….
KBR’s tent upgrades are nice, along with power, lights, and clean water.
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Anony Moose
“Dotzauer was not a millionaire when [Maria Cantwell loaned him money]…he had been repeatedly held in contempt for not making the payments to his ex-wife. ”
Really? Do you have hi income tax returns and a list of his assets at the time? Lots of people with money don’t pay their bills–just ask the proprietor of any high-end retail establishment.
“With Maria out of office, maybe he just wasn’t doing as well…”
I guess you wuoldn’t know, would you?
“Oh, how his tide of fortunes changed when she bought her Senate`seat…”
I’m assuming you mean when the people oF Washington elected her to the Seante-you know, when she got more votes than millionaire heir Slade Gorton (who of course never “bought his seat” in your eyes) did.
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” KBR’s tent upgrades are nice, along with power, lights, and clean water. ”
And you don’t care what us taxpayers have to pay for these services right?
You righties nuthouse candidates scream for tax cuts like there is no tomorrow, but when someone wants a little accountability, you attack them for being “liberal” or something.
Are you, or are you not in favor of audits of defense contractors?
Hypocrites.
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160
“(Kellog, Brown & Root) provided services for hundreds of millions of dollars during the Kosovo Air Campaign…our Commander in Chief was Clinton and I am very glad that he did not make us go without those life support services.”
But back then the Halliburton CEO was not the vice-presdent, and the Executive had not set up a phony “Provisional Authority” made up of ideologically selected Heritage Foundation naifs whose job it was to not realize that the GOP sharpies were robbing the US taxpayer blind.
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“(Kellog, Brown & Root) provided services for hundreds of millions of dollars during the Kosovo Air Campaign…our Commander in Chief was Clinton and I am very glad that he did not make us go without those life support services.”
Refresh my memory. Was that the war where the Republicans screamed bloody murder while Clinton led and International Effort to stop genocide? Did this action cause America’s standing in the Muslim world to reach an all time high?
Do you thing defending “INNOCENT” Muslims from being slaughtered by heavily armed opponents (Kosovo) is better than slaughtering them (Iraq), when it comes to fighting terror?
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Let’s see Halliburton in the Balkans in 1996. “The U.S. Justice Department is investigating Halliburton for possible over billing on government services work done in the Balkans from 1996 through 2000.” Don’t you remember the moonbats bringing up this as ammunition against Cheney when it was later found out he knew nothing about the people doing the work?
Cheney CEO of Halliburton from 1995 till October 1998. Then from Feb 2000 thru July 2000.
I guess another lefty librul lie blown up. Can you say KAAAAA-BLAMMMMMMMMMM!
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I know, I know. We didn’t kill all the 100,000 that died in Iraq. We just removed their security, while providing very little security so they could slaugher themselves.
Ever death in Iraq used to be Saddam’s fault. Now it is George Bush, and his supporter’s fault.
This plays real bad to the BILLION muslims that have not decided to attack us yet…..
I know Republicans love seeing the blood of “them” spilled. Well just remember, no matter what the liar in chief, and darth cheney says, there are more, and more of “them” every day.
Do you think we can kill them all?
Are you retarded, or extremely retarded?
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HowCan: FactsNeverSupportingHisShittyPosition does change the topic very quickly when his penis is in the pickling jar!
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Anony Moose
“Yes, Daddy Love- that is why Maria and Patty went to bat to keep Boeing from being banned from government contracts for ITS violations of the laws./i>”
Well, well, more allegations without support. Who would have thought? Boeing settled with the DOJ, so I wouldn’t imagine it to be a legislative issue at all. But if you have some evidence of unethical or illegal activity on the part of Washington’s Senators, you’re going to have to do a little better than just a snarky comment, son.
So OF COURSE the Senators from a state will go to bat one of for their state’s biggest employers. I would expect no less, and I would expect no less from the Senators from the state that is home to Halliburton.
I would also expect that Senators who care about America to be interested in investigating Halliburton’s fraud, but it seems that neither the GOP Congress or “Yes, sir” Gonzales’ DoJ are.
“You are so full of bullshit it just can’t help coming out, can it.”
OOh, the personal attack. What’s that matter, out of ammunition? Sounds like it.
In fact, Boeing’s violations were substantially more egregious than Haliburton’s. ”
Well, I don’t think htat’s the certainty that you do, and the investigations by the coming Democratic COngress are sure to uncover something interesting there. Boeing was investigated and punished. Let’s do the same with Halliburton.
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Oh by the way, how many American Soldiers died in the Kosovo conflict?
Oh, I am sorry that was a war fought for a “noble cause” unlike the current occupation where Bush has never claimed what the “noble cause” was…..
Noble Cause = get reelected as a “war president” (because Republicans love seeing blood, slaughter of civilians, and defenseless conscripted Iraqi soldiers, and torture) and make booku $$$$$ for their friends….
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Puddybud
Sure. Cheney never knew about anything, did he? Didn’t know about fraudulent KBR billing in Kosovo. Didn’t know about the asbestos lawsuit when he recommended they buy a company with billions in liabilities. Had to make it up to the company (so they’d let him keep his options) by starting a useless war and letting them skim, skim, skim. The investigations in the coming Democratic Congress should be a great deal of fun. I’m stockign up on popcorn.
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Ok, Janet, howcanyoubeproud and others. I really don’t hold out much hope that I can put this Cantwell/Dotzauer thing to rest here, but let me make a try.
Let us, for just a moment, consider some alternatives.
1. Ms. Cantwell is repaid by Mr. Dotzauer immediately before or after becoming a lobbyist.
– The right would have a field day, pointing at the payment and claiming that there was no loan, it was a payoff. They would demand sworn, notorized statements of all the documents surrounding this personal loan between friends. Nothing shorter than an average home loan package with properly recorded liens against real property would serve, and even then some pundits most of the right wing blogs would still claim that it was all a fraud and a coverup for a payoff.
2. Ms. Cantwell simply ignores the loan as an asset, figuring that a personal loan between friends is nobody else’s business.
– She really doesn’t consider it to be an asset, as she’s not really sure when (if ever) Mr. Dotzaur will be able to repay the loan, as he is now a lobbyist, and payments of thousands of dollars from lobbyists to Senators are considered suspect. Maybe once they’re both retired, she’ll bring up the matter, maybe not.
– Still, it really isn’t entirely honest. Along with the ethical concerns, it places her in an uncomfortable position should she and Mr. Dotzauer ever come to a “falling out”, and the loan gets leaked. Some potential for (at least) arm-twisting here.
3. Ms. Cantwell properly discloses the loan, but makes no real effort to get it repaid. She might even have quietly asked Mr. Dotzauer to continue the loan, at no interest, until (once again) they are both retired, avoiding the appearance of a conflict of interest.
– Pretty much what seems to have happend.
I would have a very difficult job getting too worked up about this if it was a Republican Senator. Yes, some of the more vocal among us would probably be making the same sort of noises that I hear from the right, but I doubt that their hearts would really be in it. There’s just not enough here to get excited about.
Lobbyists, when they do their jobs ethically and honorably, use their knowledge of the political system and their relationships with politicians to convince those politicians to vote for or against various things. That is what lobbyists are supposed to do, after all. Some of this is our (Democrats) fault, as we have managed to equate the word “lobbyist” with “evil”. Most lobbyists are simply effective advocates for their employers, ensuring that their employers’ viewpoint is considered. Dear Mr. Abrhamoff has done his profession a great disservice.
Mr. Dotzauer and Ms. Cantwell are friends. Nobody is even trying to deny that. Mr. Dotzauer is a lobbyist, working for several right-wing organizations, and as a freind and advisor to Ms. Cantwell, may well have convinced her to vote for a number of things that, as a Democrat, I’m really not happy with. I have some concern about her choices in friends.
But these are not concerns about her ethics in this situation. I’m concerned that, whether I vote for Ms. Cantwell or Mr. McGavick, I may end up with a Republican in that Senate seat. Some of the more liberal Republicans have voting records that are at least as good (from my perspective) as Ms. Cantwell’s. The only reason I’ll be voting for her is that I think that Mr. McGavick would be much worse.
Oh, and Howcanyoubeproud. My condolences on your loss. My own parents are both gone, and not a day goes by that I do not miss them, nor do I wish to stop missing them. The pain of the loss remains, but I would not trade that pain for any joy. I know that you feel the same way.
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Name the topic. State your position, and I will either agree with you, or let you know where you are wrong. Remember my positions are neither “Democrat” or “Republican”, they are only obvious.
Issue by issue, position by position I will provide facts to support each, and every one of my positions.
It is easy…. (Internet)
It has been 2 days and not a single right winger freak has been able to name one single piece of legislation the republicans in congress has passed, and bush signed into law that helped regulare americans, and hurt the super-rich, and large corporations.
(crickets still chirping)
(crickets are even chipring in the daytime now)
(chirp chirp)God I Love Being On The Side Of Reality!!!!
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As far as terrorists are concerned, I do understand they exist. As far as fear is concerned, I am far more afraid of what Bush will do to avoid prosecution than what any “muslims” would do….
Bush never imagined there would be BILLIONS of people like me working to haul him to the Hague for War Crime Trials.
He is lucky there is still a bunch of really blind/stupid/worse
Americans that still support him, along with 99% of the weight of the main stream media.Bush lied about the Iraq intelligence. If it was Clinton that told the same lies it would be the lead story on every news program intil he was impeached. There is a little perspective for you…..
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I challeng you freaks. Name something, or never post on the internet again.
If you can’t defend your position, you shouldn’t be posting….
Anywhere.
You also shouldn’t be voting…..
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Better not read this righties….
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09.....r=homepage
Iraq war “RADICALIZING MUSLIMS” just like I have been saying. Every time a news story breaks it always confirms my positions…. I haven’t been wrong for years.
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Al Queda was Saddam’s enemy. I said it before the invasion, and friday’s report confirmed what we already knew.
For Bush to say they were “tied” or “working together” has always been a flat out lie.
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
One more point.
Howcanyoubeproud suggested that we should pay homage to one of the victims of the 9/11 attack. I concur, and would put forward the following individual:
Mohammad Salman Hamdani was a 23 year old New York City police cadet. He was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim.
Born in Karachi, Pakistan and moved to America when he was only 13 months old, he was equally proud of his Muslim heritage and American citizenship, Mr. Hamdani was a compassionate, warm-hearted young man whose greatest desire in life was to help others.
When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified.
He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be.
Further information about Mr. Hamdani is available at http://usinfo.state.gov/albums/911/ham1.htm
Sources: About.com and usinfo.state.gov
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Say what you will, Karl Rove told Matt Cooper about Valerie Plame on the morning of July 11, 2003, three days before Robert Novak’s column appeared in the Washington Post. Rove told Cooper and Scooter Libby told Judith Miller about Plame’s identity. They weren’t confirming things that Cooper and Miller had learned from Armitage. The White House dynamic duo told the reporter.
The veracity of Joseph Wilson’s statement is irrelevant to the treasonous nature of outing an undercover CIA agent. One who was in charge of the operations group in its Joint Task Force on Iraq searching for WMD in Iraq.
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Sure. Cheney never knew about anything, did he? Didn’t know about fraudulent KBR billing in Kosovo. Didn’t know about the asbestos lawsuit when he recommended they buy a company with billions in liabilities. Had to make it up to the company (so they’d let him keep his options) by starting a useless war and letting them skim, skim, skim. The investigations in the coming Democratic Congress should be a great deal of fun. I’m stockign up on popcorn. Commentby Daddy Love— 9/10/06@ 1:38 pm
Some mighty words there Big Daddy. Care to prove them with facts? URLs? Internet Postings?
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(crickets chirping at a deafening roar)
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Friends of the right: The only topic being blogged by the moonbats is Halliburton.
Censureship of ABC by the congressional donkorats – Can’t touch this!
UN and Hilary’s friends the French don’t check incoming ships – Can’t touch this!
Maria Moonbat and her “lobbyist” lover – Can’t touch this.
Sounds like the Donks are singing “It’s Hammer Time”!
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181
George Bush is a lying sack of shit, says the Senate Intelligence Committee.
You forgot that one, pudfucker.
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That’s the one your trying to obfuscate, unsuccessfully, I might add.
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Mummified sez: “George Bush is a lying sack of shit, says the Senate Intelligence Committee. You forgot that one, pudfucker.
Commentby Harry Tuttle— 9/10/06@ 2:08 pmAu Contraire mon ami Mummified – Many of us have spoken to your Senate Report II. We have identified parts overlooked by the MSM moonbats and not read by ASSes Moonbats. What say you to #181 pickled brains breath?
I love how Goldie sends those system busy messages. Did “ye” buy space on Pentium 133?
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Somehow pudfucker is not as inventive as Mummified Brain. I guess this demonstrates the lack of mental capacity of the librul lefty moldy mind!
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Come on Mummified Moron Moonbat of Miniscule Missives, hit me with your best shot! Fire away!
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More information on American Hero and 9/11 casualty, Mohammad Salman Hamdani
I don’t normally go in for simple “cut-and-paste” posts, but this is worded better than I could:
“Mrs. Hamdani says of her son Salman. Star Wars was one of his favorite films, and his license plate read “Yung Jedi.” She remembers when he applied for medical school the first time around and didn’t get accepted. His father told him he might have better luck applying to schools in Pakistan or the Caribbean, but Salman said no. “If I become a physician,” he told his father, “it’s going to be on American soil.” Asked why her son was so adamant about studying in the U.S., Mrs. Hamdani replied, “He was just so proud to be an American.” (Salman Hamdani was subsequently accepted to medical school in the U.S., but died before he could attend.)
Source: usinfo.state.gov
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Here are the conclusions of the Senate Intelligence Reports of September 8.
Postwar Findings about Iraq’s WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How they Compare with Prewar Assessments
I. Introduction
II. Iraq’s WMD Capabilities
E. ConclusionsConclusion 1: Postwar findings do not support the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judgment that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Information obtained after the war support the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research’s (INR) assessment in the NIE that the Intelligence Community lacked persuasive evidence that Baghdad had launched a coherent effort to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program. The ISG found that, following the Gulf War, aggressive UN inspections forced Saddam Hussein to destroy or surrender Iraq’s nuclear program. The ISG found no evidence that Saddam Hussein attempted to restart the nuclear program, and found that Iraq’s ability to restart the nuclear program progressively decayed after its destruction in 1991.
Conclusion 2: Postwar findings do not support the NIE assessment that Iraq’s acquisition of high-strength aluminum tubes was intended for an Iraqi nuclear program. The findings do support the assessments in the NIE of the INR that the aluminum tubes were likely intended for a conventional rocket program.
III. Iraqi Links to al-Qa’ida
G. ConclusionsConclusion 1: Postwar findings indicate that the CIA assessment that the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa’ida resembled “two independent actors trying to exploit each other,” accurately characterized bin Ladin’s actions, but not those of Saddam Hussein. Postwar findings indicate that Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qa’ida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qa’ida to provide material or operational support.
Conclusion 2: Postwar finding have identified only one meeting between representatives of al-Qa’ida and Saddam Hussein’s regime reported in prewar intelligence assessments. Postwar findings have identified two occasions, not reported prior to the war, in which Saddam Hussein rebuffed meeting requests from an al-Qa’ida operative. The Intelligence Community has not found any other evidence of meetings between al-Qa’ida and Iraq.
IV. Regime Intent
B. ConclusionsConclusion 1: Postwar findings indicate that analysts misjudged the impact of sanctions and inspections on Saddam’s WMD goals. Analysts accurately assessed that Saddam Hussein wanted WMD, but, in assessing that Iraq had WMD, misjudged Saddam’s ability or desire to pursue such programs while sanctions were in place.
Conclusion 2: Postwar findings support the NIE assessment that Saddam’s goal of making Iraq a predominant regional power and his need to deter neighboring countries, in particular Iran and Israel, were key drivers behind his thinking about WMD. The Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iran was the preeminent motivator of Saddam’s policy because, in his view, it wished to annex southern Iraq. Saddam had concluded that Iraq’s use of chemical weapons during its war with Iran during the 1980s had saved the Iraq regime. His desire to balance Israel and acquire status and influence in the Arab world were considerations as well, but those desires were secondary to his focus on Iran. Iran also affected his attitude toward UN inspections. The UN’s inconclusive assessment about Iraq’s WMD holding and program was useful, in Saddam’s view, in giving pause to Iran by aiding Saddam’s perceived requirement t bluff Iran about Iraq’s WMD capabilities.
The Use by the Intelligence Community of Information Provided by the Iraqi National Congress
V. Conclusions
Conclusion 1: False information from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) affiliated sources was used to support key Intelligence Community assessments on Iraq and was widely distributed in intelligence products prior to the war.
Conclusion 2: The INC attempted to influence US policy on Iraq by providing false information through defectors directed at convincing the US that Iraq possessed WMD and had links to terrorists.
Conclusion 3: The Intelligence Community’s use in intelligence assessments of information provided by INC affiliated defector [redacted] Source Two was a serious error. The use of the Source Two information came after thre Intelligence Community assessments raised questions about his reliability as a source and the DIA issued a fabrication notice.
[Conclusion 4 has been redacted]
Conclusion 5: The July 2002 decision by the National Security Council Deputies Committee directing the renewed funding of the INC Intelligence Collection Program under DIA management was ill-advised given the counterintelligence concerns of the CIA and warnings of financial mismanagement from the Department of State. At the time it assumed responsibility for funding and managing the INC’s collection effort in October 2002, the DIA cautioned that the INC was penetrated by hostile intelligence services and would use the relationship to promote its own agenda.
[Conclusion 6 has been redacted]
Conclusion 7: The DIA and the CIA were inconsistent in identifying their reporting from INC affiliated defectors and INC members as opposition-affiliate reporting.
Conclusion 8: There is insufficient information to determine whether CURVEBALL…provided his information at the behest of INC.
Now, if you are a drooling wingnut, you will need to ignore the fact that Ahmed Chalabi and the INC had great friends in Republican neo-con circles in Pentagon advisor Richard Pearle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowits. The fact that INC was still getting $300,000 a month from the US at the time his blabbing to Iran was revealed shows just how cozy that relationship was.
I’ve seen nothing posted here by the righties that in any way weakens the findings of the Senate report. Just worn out old talking points.
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(crickets chirping)
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Did you read those yourself Garry Guttle or did you cut and paste from TPM or Kos or another whack-job lefty site?
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I actually typed those from the reports, suckie.
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please forgive my typos
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Night sounds continue, briefly interrupted by a howling hyena.
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Valerie Plame was NOT an “undercover” CIA agent. She was the wife of Amb Joe Wilson, they were on the cover of Vanity Fair, he introduced her at many “In” parties in Washington DC as his “CIA wife.”
You can’t have your cake and eat it too, if she had been “undercover,” those who outed her would be up on charges, but they didn’t break the law. It isn’t against the law to “out” CIA agents, it is only against the law, if they are covert.
Valerie Plame should have been fired for arranging for special favors for her husband. Her husband should have never been on the mission in the first place.
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I don’t have a problem with auditing Defense Contractors, as long as the standards for the documentation is in the contract and everyone knows the standard – up front.
Halliburton’e KBR has been providing the military with life support services for almost 15 years, you don’t get to suddenly claim they are corrupt…… because George W. Bush is the President.
If they are corrupt, you can believe they were under Clinton too!
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SgmMac: Andrea Mitchell.
“Do we have any idea how widely known it was in Washington that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA?” she was asked by host Alan Murray in an Oct. 3, 2003 interview on CNBC’s “Captial Report.”
Mitchell replied: “It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the foreign service community was the envoy to Niger. So a number of us began to pick up on that.”
Then when the donk called her on the carpet for letting the cat out fo the bag: “Senior NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell said Wednesday morning that she “messed up” when she told an interviewer in 2003 that Valerie Plame’s CIA identity was “widely known.”
But despite the startling comment, Mitchell said she still hasn’t been contacted by Leakgate Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.”
Of course all this was missed by the moonbat gang here called Goldie’s NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbats!
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SgmMac: Why not investigate the Shaw Group too? They are a donk funding house for donk candidates. Looks like they received no bid contracts for Katrina work and nary a peep from the moonbats.
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Hey Moonbats even Pelletizer (he’s in Lost Wages right now) adknowledged the Shaw Group as a donk candidate funding house so the standard moonbat outrage can be stifled for now.
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Oh, Daddy Love- just pay attention to current events and you’d have enough of an awareness to take a “snarky comment” as a memory jog. How many different investigations of Boeing did we have going? What special efforts were made by Washington’s senators and the Congressman from Boeing? Why doesn’t Maria crow about standing up to McCain as well as Stevens? Maybe because sh’e have to remind people that she was helping Boeing keep its ill-gotten gains? Hypocrisy runs rampant among you lefties…
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#195 ” If they are corrupt, you can believe they were under Clinton too! ”
Agreed.
At least under Clinton they were being investigated….
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It has been 2 days and not a single right winger freak has been able to name one single piece of legislation the republicans in congress has passed, and bush signed into law that helped regular americans, and hurt the super-rich, and large corporations.
(crickets still chirping)
C’mon, if I am so wrong, what has Bush and the GOP done that has been good for me? Name one thing. I dare you.
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194.
That would be news to Christopher Wolf, the Wilson’s next door neighbor in Georgetown, who wrote the following editorial two years ago.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/o.....hbor_x.htm
When I first met Joe and Valerie, I quickly got to the classic Washington question: What do you do? …
Valerie’s answer was more than a little vague. She quickly said she was a consultant. As a fourth-generation Washingtonian, I have learned that when someone says, “I’m a consultant,” that is a cue to back off, as it usually means the person is unemployed or “between engagements.”
So, from 1998 to July 14, 2003, we were simply neighbors sharing cookouts, borrowing missing ingredients for a recipe from each other…
Wingnuts can, and do, make up the most outrageous stories concerning those who see the world differently than they do, but their delusions ain’t necessarily so.
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Good to see that you are all back on the “she wasn’t all that” blather, and off the “we’ve been cleared” gambit.
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“The Path to 9/11″………..Democrats: traitors and cowards!!!!
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Anony Moose
“Oh, Daddy Love- just pay attention to current events and you’d have enough of an awareness to take a “snarky comment” as a memory jog.”
Oh, if only we caould all be as smart and informed as you. Yeah, screw you and your condescension. Support what you assert, or it’s just your own stupid opinion. If you want to bark with the big dogs, that is.
“How many different investigations of Boeing did we have going?”
Gee, I don’t know. That’s up to you to tell us, and offer some supporting evidence. Maybe it’s zero and you’re just lying.
“What special efforts were made by Washington’s senators and the Congressman from Boeing?”
Again, I don’t know. Why don’t you tell us and link to, say, news reports of credible insiders (Op-Eds fromn Townhall.com really don’t count) that will back up your statemetns?
“Why doesn’t Maria crow about standing up to McCain as well as Stevens?”
Blather, rinse, repeat. You seem to “know” the answer, or do you?
“Maybe because sh’e have to remind people that she was helping Boeing keep its ill-gotten gains?
I wouldn’t know. Can you read her mind? I don’t even know this pont that she is or isn’t “crowing about standing up to McCain,” let alone why she is or isn’t doing what she might or might not be doing.
“Hypocrisy runs rampant among you lefties… ”
And a tendency to be intellectually, shall we say, sloppy seems to have infected you, and I wouldn’t be surprused if a steady diet of right-wing op-ed and Faux News is one of the chief causes. You see, facts have a well-known liberal bias. I’m not terribly surprised you steer clear of them.
Commentby Anony Moose
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Puddybud
Re: support
“Sure. Cheney never knew about anything, did he? Didn’t know about fraudulent KBR billing in Kosovo.”
Gosh, Puddy, you just said this. I trust you.
“Didn’t know about the asbestos lawsuit when he recommended they buy a company with billions in liabilities.”
This was pretty well reported, and Cheney may or may now havge known, but if he did then the acquisition was a stupid-ass move that drove Halliburton stock from $50 to $18.
“Had to make it up to the company (so they’d let him keep his options) by starting a useless war and letting them skim, skim, skim.
This is my opinion. I don’t know how I’d support the uselessness of the war, other than to nore that Saddam had no WMD and we knew it either certainly or nearly so before going in, which is why they didn’t want the UYN inspections to end, and that we knew that Saddam had no ties to al-Qaeda, which is now supported by the Senate report, and that we knew (contrary to the president’s claims) that Saddam had no UAVs that could threaten either their neghbors or us, had no mobile chemical weapons plants, had no biological weapons programs, and so on, and that now we’re bogging down the world’s finest military sitting on a sectarian powder keg that is both blowing up in our faces and destabilizing the region. A contained Saddam would be better for US interests than this. As for them skimming, billions of dollars has gone missing in Iraq, and Halliburton is alleged by insiders to have overcharged and underserved. As I said the investigations in the coming Democratic Congress should be fill in the blanks for us and be a great deal of fun.
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Easy to follow step-by-step guide to financial freedom by buying real estate for Pennies On The Dollar
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Ways to earn huge profits over the Internet with Real Estate.
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With just two deals, I’ve profited over $17,000!
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I would never think of earning 5 figure income in real estate
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I would never think of earning 5 figure income in real estate
Open thread
Comments
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And don’t forget, she has shot house guest before.
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This could get interesting if Dick Cheney shows up!!!!!
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MTR’s Moonbat Poll:
Which is worse:
1) Having one senator that is stoopid beyond belief having been a multiple “winner” of the “No Rocket Scientist” Award.
2) Having a senator who is enmeshed in kickback scandal that is certainly well beyond the bounds of ethics rules, and quite possibly criminal?
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Day 18 September 8 2006 Where’s Goldy?
Mayor Nickels’
unprecedented tax increase proposal and
Tim Eyman’s opposition campaign not only screws the taxpayers into paying extra for basic services, but it also really puts Goldy and the rest of you seattle moonbats in a helluva predicament. I’ve been taunting Goldy for some time now with my “Where’s Goldy” series, and he still won’t tell us where he stands. No doubt, he’s between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out what to do. So as a true compassionate conservative, I’ll lay out the options here for ya Goldy:1) Open up your wallet and pay more and more property tax every year until you are forced out of your home. Even if you can do it, do you want to make seattle a place where only the rich can live? Or do you not give a fuck about anybody else?
2) Join Eyman’s campaign to fight defeat the tax increase, and expose yourself to be the fucking hypocrite that you are. Admit that you are wrong about taxpayer rights, and thank Tim in pubic for giving you the right to vote on major policy issues.
3) Support the tax hike and agree that the tax money has to be raised, but make somebody other than you pay. You could take the tried and true class envy approach and make those “rich people” in Magnolia and Queen Ann pick up the tab. Remember, a “fair tax” in moonbat parlance is a tax that the other guy has to pay.
4) Or just keep quiet and hope I go away. That’s not gonna happen.
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From the Best of Moonbat Economic Theory File:
Government exists to make private wealth possible.
Commentby Belltowner— 3/12/06@ 4:15 pmGovernment does make private wealth possible. What part of that don’t you understand????
Jesus H. Christ, you’re fucking stupid.
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From the “Why Democrats are Nazis” collection:
Democrats excel in the use of the politics of envy, hatred and division—just like the Nazis—and emphasize our differences, rather than celebrate our commonalities. They try to pit us against each other by using classist terminology such as upper-class, middle-class, lower-class, working-class, white-collar and blue-collar, or by hyphenating us into rich-Americans, poor-Americans, far-right, far-left, Asian-Americans, white-Americans, Afro-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, native-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, straight-Americans, gay-Americans, urban-Americans, rural-Americans, and on and on and on. In the attempt to divide us, most Democrat leaders today engage in scapegoating—just like the Nazis. And then, using the “big-lie” technique, they accuse their opponents of being divisive.
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Tax RATE cuts still increase revenue:
http://www.treas.gov/press/rel.....growth.jpg
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You libs sure don’t want that ABC 9-11 movie to get on TV. Guess you don’t want anybody to find out that Clinton let Bin Laden go time after time, resulting in 9-11. Makes it hard to blame Bush, doesn’t it.
It’s another rightwing conspiracy, moonbats. ABC is a rightwing network; Rove probably owns it.
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Oh, JB, don’t be shy. Tell us how you really feel…
What the Left Never Will Understand About the War on Terror
Written by JB Williams
©2006“ The first thing liberals fail to understand is that war is a serious business. If you are not prepared to take a side, you had better not stand in the middle of the battle field. Sit it out and remain silent, because the minute you speak, you have taken a side, whether you meant to or not, and if you speak against your own, you have chosen the wrong side. This error in judgment among liberals has earned them the current title of un-American or even Al Qaeda sympathizer. “
“ Wrong from the start, the left actually thinks that the war on international terrorism is all about one man, one terror network, one event, one country and one day. How many liberals have you heard ask the question, “What about Bin Laden?” or, “What did Iraq do to us?” or, refer to Iraq as the “wrong war” in the “wrong place”, a “departure from the war on terror” – a war which in their feeble minds, exists only in Afghanistan. “
“ This notion is akin to suggesting that WWII was only about Pearl Harbor. Like Pearl Harbor, 9/11 was just a calling card, an invitation to engage in a much bigger (world) problem. Like Pearl Harbor, 9/11 was not our first invitation to engage in what was fast becoming a world-wide threat. Like Pearl Harbor, it was an invitation we couldn’t afford to leave unanswered. “
““ We received an invitation to the war on terror as far back as 1979 in Tehran. We received several more invitations throughout the 80’s and 90’s. We were invited in no uncertain terms in 1993, when Bin Laden first attempted to level the World Trade Towers. We were invited again in 1995 by Hezbollah in Saudi Arabia and yet again by Bin Laden in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. We received yet another open invitation to join the war against international terrorism in October of 2000 with the bombing of the USS Cole, again, courtesy of Al Qaeda. Meanwhile, much of the free world was already engaged. We declined to answer any of these invitations… “
“ We were not just patient in ignoring these invitations – we were cowardly and short sighted. Only when the invitation reached the massive intensity of 9/11, with nearly 3000 innocent American men, women and children dead, our financial center, defense center and government center under attack all at once, were we ready to accept these invitations. “
“ A year before 9/11, the FBI had identified the New York Al Qaeda cell that would one year later, fly planes into the WTC, the Pentagon and even the White House, if not for the brave souls on Flight 93. But the Clinton administration looked at the threat as a “criminal” matter. That meant that the FBI and CIA could not share information concerning the New York cell and without proper warrants based on indisputable evidence, they did nothing… “
“ One year later, that cell killed almost 3000 American citizens with apparent ease and liberals still contend today, that the war on terror is a “criminal” matter. They insist that the terrorists have civil rights and that our courts, filled with frivolous law suits, is the place to deal with this threat. “
“ Despite numerous attacks and arrests all over the world, liberals still think that the war on international terrorism is limited to one man, Bin Laden, one network, Al Qaeda and one event, 9/11. Had we thought the same after Pearl Harbor, we would have leveled Japan and come home. Most of Europe would be speaking German and every Jew on earth would be baked to extinction. Most of the world would be living under communist rule and America would not be America today. ““
“ Yet the leftists in control of the once great Democratic Party fail to see reality. When they search for the enemy, they only see Bush. When they plot their military strategy, they only see defeat. When you ask them about terrorists, they think you are talking about American soldiers and when you ask for their victory plans, retreat is their answer. The retreat plan was tried in Vietnam and we are still trying to justify that decision today. “
“ Prior to the Clinton administration, dangerous regimes like that in North Korea, Syria, China and Iran, had the desire but not the means to strike terror world-wide. By the time the Clinton’s left office, both China and North Korea had long range nuclear warheads, Iran and Syria were working on it. But liberals will tell you that Bush made America less safe, answering the invitation and taking the fight to the enemy on their soil. Has there been another successful attack in the US that I am unaware of? Not that it can’t still happen. That’s really the point. It can still happen and if we don’t get more serious about winning this war, it will. “
“ The Hussein regime in Iraq had terrorized its citizens and neighbors throughout the 90’s, broken every UN resolution ever written and played cat and mouse with UN inspectors until Hussein finally got bold enough to just toss them from Iraq, telling both Clinton and the UN to shove it. But according to leftists, they had Hussein “contained”. Doing UN paper work I guess? “
““ Today, as we head into the 2006 mid-term elections, liberals remind us that they have changed their collective minds about none of this. They still think the world wide war against international terrorism is about one man, one terror network, one country, one event and one day. They still believe it is a criminal matter for our police and our courts and they still insist that America, more specifically Bush and our military, are the real terrorists. They still believe that Bush lied, that Iranian, Syrian and Arabian terrorists killing innocent Iraqi citizens are just “civil insurgents” and that the central front in the war on terror, is a departure from the war on terror. “
“ Now if you can sleep well at night with your families’ lives in the hands of people like this, God Bless! Knock yourself out at election time. Vote yourself more money from the federal trough of socialist handouts and let the chips fall where they may on national security. “
“ But if on the other hand, like me, you have something to lose, something worth fighting for, someone to pass this country on to in one piece, then pay attention… “
“ Clearly, liberals don’t get it. They don’t like Bush’s war because they can’t begin to comprehend the very real world wide threat that Bush decided to confront on September 12, 2001. They don’t get it because unlike the rest of us, they see more wrong than right with America and therefore, nothing worthy of defense. They won’t fight because they don’t know how and that limits their thinking to faux diplomacy via the most corrupt institution on earth, the United Nations. “
“ They fear Bush more than Bin Laden. They trust those European nations that profited by keeping the most brutal regime on earth in business while holding the UN and US hostage as the international terror threat gathered global strength and reach. They trust the UN more than the US and firmly believe that we can negotiate peace with Muslim extremists willing to strap bombs on the chests of their grade school children and send them into a pizza parlor. “
“ In short, liberals don’t know anything at all about real American values or principles today and they know even less about what it takes to protect and preserve those principles and values for future generations. Therefore, the idea that they can be entrusted with upholding, protecting, defending and preserving the very principles that they spend every day attacking, is insane. But if insanity is your thing…go for it! “
“ NO! They just don’t get it… any of it – and apparently, no matter the mountain of evidence before them, they never will. “
“ Those they have trained to be federal dependents will vote for them no matter what. Those who can’t tell the difference between an American soldier and a real terrorist will vote for them too. Those who can’t read a butterfly ballot will vote for them. So will those just released from prison and even those without a pulse. “
“ People who believe that Americas “bubble of supremacy” needs to be “burst”, like billionaire socialist and currency wrecker George Soros will fund them, as will Hollywood limousine liberals, New England ketchup queens and tree dwelling former draft-dodgers in the North West. “
“ And that’s why the rest of us better show up on Election Day… “
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To the bet-welshing, lying coward called MTR:
1) Pay off the bet YOU LOST to Goldy!
2) A “moonbat” publication called The Economist otherwise know as the voice of global capitalism has just editorialized the following:
Mr Bush has got two years left in the job. He would like to be remembered as a straightshooter who did the right thing. Tackling climate change would be one way to do that.
Read it and take your chi-squared bullshit over there.
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Thanks for the public service announcement Goldy. This is actually probably the most useful thing that’s appeared on your blog for a few months. I’m always looking to get some trigger time in.
Although you might want to change your accidental typo in your post. Should read “If you’ve ever felt the urge to shoot ALONGSIDE state Sen. Pam Roach…” or something of that meaning.I hope Black Diamond has a Bolting Rabbit course (when they roll the clays along the ground to simulate a rabbit’s movement).
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Reporterward @11,
Yeah… that’s it… a typo.
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Global Warming denier Don Ward:
You might want to read that Economist editorial too. See comment 10.
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Seems like the rightwing screech monkeys going to have to take over spreading the lies about the war on terr’r, since Disney is getting cold feet about doing it for them.
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” Those they have trained to be federal dependents will vote for them no matter what. Those who can�t tell the difference between an American soldier and a real terrorist will vote for them too. Those who can�t read a butterfly ballot will vote for them. So will those just released from prison and even those without a pulse.” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS� 9/8/06@ 4:35 pm
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Bingo, look at the cities with the highest crime rates, lowest school test scores, and the most welfare mamas and they’re always the most solidly Dem. Dems are the party of felons, morons, and welfare mamas. -
2958
Just don’t take Pam’s flowers or she might go all Cheney on you.
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2959
I note from the picture that Pam doesn’t appear to be wearing ear protection. This may explain why she doesn’t seem to be listening most of the time–she probably can’t hear.
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ArtFart @ 17
She has earplugs by the looks of it. The 25 cent small rubbery affairs that most gun ranges sell to folks who don’t bring their gun muffs.
Goldy @ 12
I figured it was an honest mistake…
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2961
Has anybody ever seen “howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH” and “Pam Roach” in the SAME ROOM???
Huh?
Well HUH?????????????????
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2962
Makes sense doesn’t it…
…same WINNING personality!
…same INCISIVE grasp of the ISSUES!
…same COMPASSION and UNDERSTANDING!
Got it, gang! Mystery SOLVED!
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MTRollfuck @ 4:23pm,
well that one pretty much confirms what an economics genius you’ve turned out to be.
That’s some get-rich-quick scheme you’re laying on Cantwell. No wonder you Republicans always manage to fuck up the federal budget whenever you get control of it. You can’t even tell the difference between profit and loss. -
2964
…same affection for TURKEY BASTERS!
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trollfuck @ 4:24pm
I thought Lieman’s whole shtick was about giving voters choices. Even Lieman is okay with with voter approved tax hikes.
So which non-voter-approved tax hike is Nickels responsible for? -
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“Democrats excel in the use of the politics of envy, hatred and division.” MTR @ 6
Lord, Mark, please share with us an example of how you reach out to those of us on the other side of the political fence. The Bushite strategy of “bipartisanship” goes like this: agree with us or you are (fill in the blank-your options are terrorist, Nazi, un-American, all of the above) ______. Democrats are lovers, Republicans are haters. That is an unfortunate division between us. But, man, I still believe in redemption, even for people like you.
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2967
See, here’s the Republican (karl Rve) playbook. Run a candidate who lies to the public to appear to be a “moral moderate.” Then start whispering campaigns to tar the Democrat as “corrupt” so that the candidate can say he’s not going negative. Maria’s sexual orientation or religiosity will be next.
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2968
Wow we’re being showered with conservative op-eds. You can now see the insular little world they inhabit. Where they’re alwasy right and the liberals are always evil, Iraq was a great idea and everything there is just peachy, Afghani
opium isschools are the best in the world, we fight them there so we don’t fight them here, and the terrorists don’t hate our imperialism and military domination, they hate our FREEDOM. -
2969
The Rethug playbook is simpler than that.
Whatever your liabilities are, that’s what you go after in your opponent – only worse. If you fuck around, then you accuse your opponent of being a whoremonger. If you snort coke, then you accuse your opponent of dealing heroin to kids. That way, when the truth about your weaknesses emerges it melts into a backdrop of negativity that the voters are more likely to ignore. -
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby howcanyoubePROUD — 9/8/06@ 4:35 pm
Ok, you asked how I really feel, here it is.
“ The first thing liberals fail to understand is that war is a serious business. If you are not prepared to take a side, you had better not stand in the middle of the battle field. Sit it out and remain silent, because the minute you speak, you have taken a side, whether you meant to or not, and if you speak against your own, you have chosen the wrong side. This error in judgment among liberals has earned them the current title of un-American or even Al Qaeda sympathizer.”
Ah, but what conservatives fail to understand is that to disagree with the tactics of a battle is not the same as to disagree that the battle should be fought. While we on the left have a very few “moonbats” that think that anything America does is wrong, most liberals simply think that the tactics we are using are not just wrong, but are actually hurting our cause (stopping global terrorism). If we think that the current tactics are ineffective or worse, we would be criminally negligent if we did not object.
“We received an invitation to the war on terror as far back as 1979 in Tehran” (several other examples given)
And, contrary to the author’s contention, we answered all of them, in ways that were slowly building relationships and allies in that fight. Ramsey Yousev (spelling uncertain) is currently rotting in jail, other various terrorists are also in various other jails. Saddam Hussain, evil bastard that he was, was effectively frustrated and contained.
To make an analogy, if there are gang members terrorizing your street, you can run out the door swinging a baseball bat and try to chase them off – or – you can organize a neighborhood watch, meet the parents of the gang members and try to defuse the situation.
The first way might even work for a while, but not for long. It is far more emotionally satisfying than the second way, and gives an immediate feeling of accomplishment, but it doesn’t solve the problem. The gang members will be back, in greater force.
The second method is slow and frustrating. Some folks will stand up and say “why aren’t we DOING something?”, but it’s more likely to solve the problem.
“They fear Bush more than Bin Laden.”
In some ways, yes. Bin Laden only has the power to kill limited numbers of Americans. This is a terrible thing, but President Bush has the power to diminish our precious civil liberties for generations. Speaking only for myself here, “Give me liberty or give me death” is more than a phrase in the history books. It is the way I think. I put my tender pink skin on the line for many years to defend that liberty, and I’m not willing to give it up to gain some temporary security.
History teaches us that we are far more likely to lose that liberty to an internal threat than we are to some external enemy. The Germans, Spaniards, and Italians did not lose their liberty from some external enemy. Further back, the Russians and French did not lose their fledgling republics to external enemies. It was home-grown “leaders” that convinced the people to give up those precious liberties.
“In short, liberals don’t know anything at all about real American values or principles today”
Perhaps not. Perhaps security is more important than liberty to Americans today. I hope not, because if that is true, I really don’t understand the priorities of today’s America. Still, I’m not going down without a fight.
(Oh, and all the responses here are from yours truly.)
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HOUSTON – More than 80 percent of Hurricane Katrina evacuees surveyed in the Houston area are unemployed one year after the storm forced them to flee New Orleans, according to a study released by Rice University on Friday. Sixty-six percent of the 362 evacuees surveyed had full- or part-time jobs before Hurricane Katrina battered the U.S. Gulf Coast on August 29, 2005, the study said. [………Perhaps these Democrat “unemployed homeless” might find jobs in Cape Cod, MASS, or the East Hamptons, NY. These are fine Democrat areas!!!]
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Ok, you asked how I really feel, here it is.
And that, friend, is what I really think. -Commentby John Barelli— 9/8/06@ 6:55 pmLOL John Barelli… I just knew you’d read that wrong…
I was actually commenting on the stridency and passion of the AUTHOR of the piece…
What the Left Never Will Understand About the War on Terror
Written by JB WilliamsJB… allllll those bold QUOTE marks…Too funny.
I’ll go back and read PAST the 1st line of your ‘rebuttal’ now…
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2973
Fair enough John… you argue quite eloquently.
However, No one has yet been able to name one single liberty they have lost under the policies of President Bush.
Not one.
Ever.Secondly, the terrorists that despise all of us, liberal and conservative, Christian and Jew, black, white, rich, poor, educated or uneducated would care even LESS for our civil liberties. Their goals are to destroy us or CONVERT us to their way of thinking. It seems to me forcing women to hide in burkas is far more ‘civil liberty’ diverting than monitoring overseas phone calls and banking records of terrorist supporters.
Personally, I will give them written PERMISSION to monitor my phone, email, banking transactions… whatever, if it would keep my children safe because I have nothing to hide. But I also find it totally unnecessary because, as I said, no one has yet been able to claim even one liberty they have lost.
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2974
Bin Ladens power is not his ability to pick off a few Americans at his pleasure.
His true power is the devisiveness he foments… successfully I might add.
His power is the fear of unknown terror.
His power is in convincing stupid little sheep that they will gain some otherworldly glory by sacrificing themselves now.
His power is convincing them their only worth can be claimed by their death in his name. -
2975
Talking to your neighborhood bullys is just grand.
But first you have to get their attention.
Granny with her baseball is attention getting.
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2976
And, contrary to the author’s contention, we answered all of them, in ways that were slowly building relationships and allies in that fight.
And the terror attack against America did not stop. How many Americans died at the hands of terrorists since all that talking began? Is there a magic number that indicates too many before giving up on talking?
Since we went to Afghanistan, since we went to Iraq, there has not been a terror attack against America.
Talk only “works” if the other guy listens, cares about what he hears and has something to lose if he doesn’t listen.
I’m glad those guys are in jail. However did you happen to catch that Hezbollah struck BECAUSE Israel had a couple of the Hezbollah guys in their jail?
Organized terror against a country is an act or WAR and must be responded to as such.
Do you know any Holocaust survivors? Have you ever met or known anyone with a Holocaust tatoo on their arm? Ask them how much solace they found when the Nazi’s were acquited, when the Nazi’s were given 20 years imprisonment, or even when the Nazi’s were given life. Ask them if that was solace enough for the purposeful butchering of their parents, their children, their siblings.
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The Path to 9/11, Teddy the Sot style!
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proudsweetASScheeks, if you came out of your cave more often you might have noticed that it was Israel striking because Hezbollah had 2 Israeli soldiers. Oops, I forgot that you are allergic to facts.
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Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah has demanded the release of three Lebanese prisoners held by Israel. The prisoners include Samir Kantar, one of the seaborne PLO guerrillas who raided a house in the northern Israeli coastal town of Nahariya in 1979, took a man and his 5-year-old daughter hostage and then killed them. Israel did not provide details on the two other prisoners.
Palestinian Prisoners:
–Israel holds an estimated 9,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails. After Shalit’s capture, Israel also arrested 64 top Hamas officials in the West Bank, including eight Cabinet ministers and 20 lawmakers.
–The Hamas-linked militants holding Shalit originally demanded all Palestinian women and minors be released from Israeli jails, then increased their demands to include another 1,000 Arab prisoners.
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2980
I just want all you wingnuts to know that is your asses I will be laughing at in november when your tired, spent, petulant rants here are all you are left with in the election.
You COULD on the other hand actually try and do something intelligent like join the reality-based community… but no… there will be much mirth, at your expense.
Carry on.
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2981
How did that Merry Fitzmas work out for you? I’ll bet that BushCheneyRove gang looks good in prison stripes.
OOPS.
How did that “bellweather” CA 50 election work out for you? I bet Busby is working her buns off.
OOPS.
How did those Election 2004 exit polls work out for you? Pleased with President FiFi la Kerry?
OOPS.
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2982
The Path to 9/11 a la Clinton
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“Glorified version– of a PELLET GUN,
Glorified version — of a PELLET GUN,
Glorified version — of a PELLET GUN,
Feels SO MANLY in MY HAND…” — Pearl JamWe now know why so many conservatives crave guns!
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Wow howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH has got her rethuglican talking points trading cards and her Dick Cheney secret decoder ring out and all shiny and clean.
What a good lilttle girl in her plaid jumper and mary janes..
Just waiting for creepy uncle dick to put his turkey baster in her pants.
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2985
How do you think she got to be “howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH”.
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yes but rugrat, you never answered the questions, sweetcheeks…
How did that Merry Fitzmas work out for you?
How did that “bellweather” CA 50 election work out for you?
How did those Election 2004 exit polls work out for you?
How did that Alito filibuster work out for you?
How did that homo-marriage thing in the Supreme Court work out for you?
How did that Patriot Act thing work out for you?
how did that tax cut defeat work out for you? -
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oh, one last question…
how can you be such an immature moron and still live… I guess Michael Schiavo hasn’t taken your case yet, eh?
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I have a question for you rugrat, since you seem to be such an expert in this particular area…
Do stupid people actually know they are dumb as goats? Or, do you think you’re at least as smart as your goat?
[/LMAO]
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So, OK, I’ve been on the other tread because Pam “I’ll move anywhere there’s an open seat” Roach reples me. Let’s try a few points from over there.
Where’s the outrage over the Bush administration paving the path FROM 9/11 with lies? See the Senate report http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiinc.pdf
Where’s the outrage over the abandonment of the 9/11 first responders?
“Today it appears the public health approach to lingering environmental hazards remains unfocused and halting,” said Representative Christopher Shays, a Republican from Connecticut, and chairman of the House Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations, which held the hearing in Lower Manhattan, a block from ground zero. “The unquestionable need for long-term monitoring has been met with only short term commitments.”
Where’s the outrage over the Ted “when the money goes to my folks” Stevens earmarks?
It is abundantly clear power is more important to the Republican party thay principle.
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby howcanyoubePROUD — 9/8/06@ 8:28 pm
However, No one has yet been able to name one single liberty they have lost under the policies of President Bush.
Not one.
Ever.How about three for starters
Amendment VI – In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ge=printer
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
http://www.veteransforpeace.or.....020704.htm
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....EDMKC1.DTL
And just to add to the pile, we have two US citizens, charged with no crime, refused entry into the United States
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....6/LODI.TMP
In all of these cases, you could argue necessity. The government needed to violate these US citizen’s rights in order to protect us. After all, neither of us is Muslim, or look Arabic. The only war protest I’ve attended, no records were kept. One person who was taking pictures for his website was asked politely to desist. It was a candlelight prayer vigil for peace.
I will not give them permission to listen to my phone calls, even though I say nothing that would be of interest to them.
I will not give them permission to read my private papers, even though they would find them to be excruciatingly dull reading.
I will not give them permission to enter my home, even though there is nothing hidden there.
I will not give them permission to question me, even though I do not fear the answers.
I am a free citizen of the United States of America. My government works for me, and answers to me. Not the other way around. That is the most basic freedom inherent in the Constitution, and I will not give it up. Not for a little security, not for my own life or the lives of my family.
Too many have died to give us that freedom.
It is tempting to say that these are lofty ideals, but we’re talking about real dangers here.
I know that the danger is real, perhaps better than most. I’ve walked the streets of Kuwait City.
I’ve also been to countries where the liberties we take for granted are absent. Some of these countries are even nice places to visit. Clean, safe, secure, even happy.
Watch what you say there. Be careful what reading material you bring along. Check your jewelry for forbidden symbols.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.Pastor Martin Niemöller
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Lies and lying liars. As Atrios would say, time for another blogger ethics panel.
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I am now beginning to understand why the Democrats are so hysterical about “The Pathway to 9/11” after reading the following interview on “Hardball”.
You really have to wonder how much longer these people can keep the american public from the truth…..
O‘DONNELL: Welcome back. We‘re coming up on the four-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. And there is new information that they could have been prevented. An upcoming four-hour miniseries on the National Geographic Channel takes an in-depth look. And in this excerpt, we hear the voice of lead hijacker Mohammed Atta talking to passengers aboard American Airlines Flight 11.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MOHAMMED ATTA, 9/11 HIJACKER: Nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any move, you‘ll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O‘DONNELL: That is very spooky. Michael Scheuer left the CIA in 2004 after 22 years with the agency. He was the CIA‘s man in charge of tracking Osama bin Laden and what he was up to. And he warned the CIA director that our country faced an imminent threat from Osama bin Laden.
Michael, what can you tell us about these newly declassified memos from July and August of 1996, that the Clinton State Department knew that Osama bin Laden had the wherewithal to attack the United States?
MICHAEL SCHEUER, FORMER CIA TERRORISM ANALYST: Well, it was very much common knowledge across the intelligence community that if—once Osama bin Laden moved from Sudan to Afghanistan, that he would be much freer to operate. There was no government in Afghanistan, it was a free range sort of territory.
From the CIA‘s perspective, it was the best possible place for him to go because we could operate there more freely. And we thought for sure we would be able to provide the government with chances to capture or kill him. As it turned.O‘DONNELL: But many people have made the impression that something in the Bush administration was done wrong. But there‘s evidence that the Clinton administration knew full well that bin Laden had the wherewithal and was planning to attack the United States. Who is to blame and did the president, Clinton, get this information?
SCHEUER: Certainly the president got the information. And most certainly his closest adviser, Sandy Berger and Mr. Clarke—Richard Clarke, had the information from 1996 forward that bin Laden intended to attack the United States. There‘s no question of that. And in terms of which administration had more chances, Mr. Clinton‘s administration had far more chances to kill Osama bin Laden than Mr. Bush has until this day.
O‘DONNELL: That‘s very interesting. I don‘t think that many Americans know that or think that everything that they‘ve heard—you‘ve spent your life tracking Osama bin Laden. From what we know now and what you know, how many missed opportunities were there to prevent the 9/11 attacks?
SCHEUER: Well, we had—the question of whether or not we could have prevented the attacks is one you could debate forever. But we had at least eight to 10 chances to capture or kill Osama bin Laden in 1998 and 1999. And the government on all occasions decided that the information was not good enough to act.
O‘DONNELL: What—who then is to blame? I think the American people want to know, then, who then is to blame for this?
SCHEUER: It can only be the policy-makers and the elected officials. The CIA provides the intelligence, the actual decision to act using military force or using.
O‘DONNELL: So what you‘re saying is that when you ran the bin Laden desk, you knew where bin Laden was. You knew that bin Laden was trying to attack the United States. You knew that bin Laden had the wherewithal and that the policy-makers in the Clinton administration and then the Bush administration did not heed your warnings?
SCHEUER: Not my warnings. I hate to make myself the center of anything, ma‘am. But the intelligence community as a whole had warned the administration repeatedly. And I think there‘s no lack of record of that. It just—the 9/11 Commission failed to find anyone responsible for anything. The CIA can‘t order an attack. Only the National Security Council and the president can order an attack.
O‘DONNELL: Let me ask you what you know about what we‘ve read recently about a secret military operation known as Able Danger. There are people involved in that that say that the United States knew about Mohammed Atta a year before the 9/11 attacks. Is that true? And was there a massive failure by our government?
SCHEUER: I don‘t know firsthand information about Able Danger, ma‘am, but from what I‘ve read in the media, that the lawyers prevented them from passing the information to the FBI, that certainly rings true. The U.S. intelligence community is palsied by lawyers.
When we were going to capture Osama bin Laden, for example, the lawyers were more concerned with bin Laden‘s safety and his comfort than they were with the officers charged with capturing him. We had to build an ergonomically designed chair to put him in, special comfort in terms of how he was shackled into the chair. They even worried about what kind of tape to gag him with so it wouldn‘t irritate his beard. The lawyers are the bane of the intelligence community.O‘DONNELL: Let me ask you, because you spent 22 years tracking Osama bin Laden, he is still at large, we are fighting an insurgency in Iraq where there are allies of Osama bin Laden, what threat do you think bin Laden poses to the United States now?
SCHEUER: Well, at first—I only tracked him for the last 10 years, ma‘am. I tracked him for as long as the U.S. government has been tracking him. He‘s an existential threat, as they say, to the United States. He can detonate probably a weapon of mass destruction inside of the United States, be it a suitcase nuclear weapon or a chemical or biological weapon. And we‘ve done really very little to stop him from proceeding along that course.
O‘DONNELL: Do you think that he is in Afghanistan?
SCHEUER: I think he is along the border. I think the general judgment that he is on the Pak-Afghan border hiding or at least living is very accurate. He is very comfortable there. He is protected by the tribes that live on the border. And the one thing we would hate to say but it is perfectly true is that he is the most important leader and hero in the Muslim world today. There are very few Muslims who would ever think of turning him over to the Americans.
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Here’s another report that would never see the light of day if Dems had their way….
Clinton aide says 9/11 film ‘correct’
Producer consulted with military attaché
who saw aborted attacks on bin Laden
Posted: September 8, 2006
3:33 p.m. EasternBy Art Moore
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.comBuzz Patterson with President Clinton
A former military aide to President Clinton who claims he witnessed several missed opportunities to capture or kill Osama bin Laden says the producer of the ABC mini-series “The Path to 9/11” came to him in frustration after network executives under a heavy barrage of criticism from former administration officials began pressing for changes to the script.
In an interview with WND, retired Air Force Lt. Col. Robert “Buzz” Patterson said producer and writer Cyrus Nowrasteh called him the morning of Sept. 1, explaining he had used Patterson’s book “Dereliction of Duty” as a source for the drama.
Later that day, Nowrasteh brought a preview copy of “The Path to 9/11” to Patterson for him to view at home. Patterson, who says he has talked with the director seven or eight times since then, also received a phone call from an ABC senior vice president, Quinn Taylor.
Patterson told WND he recognizes the television production conflates several events, but, in terms of conveying how the Clinton administration handled its opportunities to get bin Laden, it’s “100 percent factually correct,” he said.
“I was there with Clinton and (National Security Adviser Sandy) Berger and watched the missed opportunities occur,” Patterson declared.
The five-hour drama is scheduled to air in two parts, Sunday night and Monday night, Sept. 11.
As a military aide to President Clinton from 1996 to 1998, Patterson was one of five men entrusted with carrying the “nuclear football,” which contains the codes for launching nuclear weapons.
Reached by phone at his home in Southern California, Nowrasteh affirmed to WND he consulted with Patterson and gave him a preview of the drama.Lt. Col. Robert “Buzz” Patterson (FrontPageMagazine.com)
During the interview this morning, Nowrasteh took a moment to watch as President Clinton’s image turned up on his nearby TV screen to criticize the movie. The director did not want to respond directly to Clinton’s comments, but offered a general response to critics.
“Everybody’s got to calm down and watch the movie,” Nowrasteh told WND. “This is not an indictment of one president or another. The villains are the terrorists. This is a clarion bell for people to wake up and take notice.”
Patterson pointed out the Bush administration also is depicted in an unfavorable light in the months before 9/11.
An ABC executive who requested anonymity told the Washington Post the network has made “adjustments and refinements” to the drama that are “intended to make clearer that it was general indecisiveness” by federal officials that left the U.S. vulnerable to attack, and “not any one individual.”
Yesterday, the New York Post reported Clinton wrote to ABC officials, complaining the “content of this drama is factually and incontrovertibly inaccurate and ABC has the duty to fully correct all errors or pull the drama entirely.” Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, according to the Washington Post, has described a scene, in which she is depicted, as “false and defamatory.”
The Senate Democratic Leadership sent a letter to Robert Iger – president and CEO of ABC’s corporate parent, the Walt Disney Co. – urging him to cancel the “grossly inaccurate” drama.
The Democratic National Committee today said it delivered a petition with nearly 200,000 signatures to ABC’s Washington office calling on the network to drop its “right-wing factually inaccurate mocudrama.”
Democrats have been particularly critical of a scene that depicts Berger refusing to authorize a mission to capture bin Laden after CIA operatives and Afghan fighters had the al-Qaida leader in their sights.
Nowrasteh acknowledges this is a “conflation of events,” but Berger, in a letter to Iger, said “no such episode ever occurred, nor did anything like it.”
Patterson contended, however, the scene is similar to a plan the administration had with the CIA and the Afghan Northern Alliance to snatch bin Laden from a camp in Afghanistan.The scene in “The Path to 9/11,” as Patterson recalled from the preview version, unfolds with CIA operatives at the camp on the phone with Berger, who is expressing concern that an attack could result in innocent bystanders being killed. An agent says he sees swing sets and children’s toys in the area. The scene ends with Berger hanging up the phone.
Patterson says his recollection is that Clinton was involved directly in several similar incidents in which Berger was pressing the president for a decision.
“Berger was very agitated, he couldn’t get a decision from the president,” Patterson said.
Patterson noted he wasn’t sure what Berger wanted to do – whether the national security adviser wanted the answer to be yes or no – but the frustration, at the very least, was based on the president making himself unavailable to make a decision.
In “Dereliction of Duty,” published by Regnery in 2003, Patterson recounts an event in the situation room of the White House in which Berger was told by a military watch officer, “Sir, we’ve located bin Laden. We have a two-hour window to strike.”
Clinton, according to Patterson, did not return phone calls from Berger for more than an hour then said he wanted more time to study the situation.
Patterson writes: “We ‘studied’ the issues until it was too late-the window of opportunity closed.”Harvey Keitel plays counter-terrorism expert John O’Neill in ABC’s “The Path to 9/11
In another “missed opportunity,” Patterson writes, Clinton was watching a golf tournament when Berger placed an urgent call to the president. Clinton became irritated when Patterson approached him with the message. After the third attempt, Clinton coolly responded he would call Berger on his way back to the White House. By then, however, according to Patterson, the opportunity was lost.
As WND reported, Berger was the focus of a Justice Department investigation for removing highly classified terrorism documents before the Sept. 11 Commission hearings that generated the report used for the television program.
FBI agents searched Berger’s home and office after he voluntarily returned some documents to the National Archives.
Berger and his lawyer told reporters he knowingly removed handwritten notes he made while reading classified anti-terror documents at the archives by sticking them in his clothing. They said he also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio.
Patterson said Berger’s response to the “The Path to 9/11” is similar to his response to the accounts in “Dereliction of Duty,” insisting the incidents attributed to him “never occurred.”
Patterson said his book put him under intense pressure from Clinton officials – an aide even spoke of taking away his military retirement benefits – but when the title reached No. 1 on Amazon.com, “they shut up.”
There are others who can corroborate his accounts, Patterson insisted, but they are still in military service and therefore legally bound not to come forward and make statements.
Three of the four other military aides who rotated being at the president’s side were additional sources for his book, Patterson affirmed.
If ABC ends up pulling “The Path to 9/11,” it won’t be the first time Democrats have succeeded in pressuring a network not to air a politically charged film during a major election season.
During the 2004 presidential campaign, as WND reported, the Sinclair Broadcast Group canceled a planned showing of “Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal.” The documentary featured former POWs who told how John Kerry’s 1971 testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was used as propaganda against them by their North Vietnamese captors, allegedly intensifying their persecution and prolonging the war and imprisonment. -
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Ha! “Buzz” Patterson and Wingnut Daily. Excellent sources.
As you can see in #50, the movie misrepresents the 9/11 commission report. Even Sean Hannity broadcast Bill Clinton explaining that we never had good enough intel to guarantee getting bin Laden. We could have killed hundreds of people, with a less than 50-50 shot at bin Laden. The reason we did is that we’re not monsters.
Even conservatives are abandoning the mini-series. Only a few dead-enders and ABC are left defending it.
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Commentby jaybo— 9/9/06@ 9:23 am
Here’s another report that would never see the light of day if Dems had their way….
Clinton aide says 9/11 film ‘correct’
Producer consulted with military attaché
who saw aborted attacks on bin Laden
Posted: September 8, 2006
3:33 p.m. EasternIs that the same “Buzz Patterson” that wrote a “tell-all” book about the Clinton administration “Dereliction of Duty: The Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton Compromised America’s National Security” that was reviewed by Publishers Weekly saying “Patterson’s rendition is too anecdotal and brief, as well as too disgruntled – offended, even – to convince many.”?
Mr. Patterson is currently is promoting his new book “The Left’s Campaign to Destroy Our Military and Lose the War on Terror”, which is sure to make the top of Ann Coulter’s required reading list.
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(Got the HTML right, but missed cleaning up my phrasing. – I’d really like a “preview” function.)
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Barelli,
I noticed that you danced right by O’Donnel’s interview.
What’s wrong, can’t find any way to smear a fellow lib?
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jaybo, who do you think is the liberal in that interview?
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I have found it!
The DEFINITIVE article most accurately describing the male LIBERAL mindset.
My God! It’s eerie the way the La Goldies pink parade of femimen LIVE this guys philosophy. Please, please, please, …KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
The High Cost of Manliness
By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted September 8, 2006.Excerpts:
“ So, guys, I have an idea — maybe it’s time we stop trying. Maybe this masculinity thing is a bad deal, not just for women but for us. ““ We need to get rid of the whole idea of masculinity. It’s time to abandon the claim that there are certain psychological or social traits that inherently come with being biologically male. If we can get past that, we have a chance to create a better world for men and women. “
“ I don’t think the planet can long survive if the current conception of masculinity endures. We face political and ecological challenges that can’t be met with this old model of what it means to be a man. At the more intimate level, the stakes are just as high. For those of us who are biologically male, we have a simple choice: We men can settle for being men, or we can strive to be human beings. “
My God, this nutburger is lamenting his biological ‘maleness’.
No wonder people attribute ‘cojones’ to Hitlary, queen chrissy and mariacantwalkandthinkwell… their “men” {/snicker} prefer not to have them at all!
{/LMAO}
Laughter is the single best stress reliever known… and you libs are the best providers of it! Thanks. I will be laughing all day!
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jaybo- so what to you have to say about the Senate Intelligence committee report?
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And look…. this little gal describes (laments?)la goldie and her pink parade of femimen PERFECTLY:
“ Welcome to the new breed of healthy young men who rate sex way beneath their other appetites. In this brave new world, girls are a pain, a disappointment, and rather dangerous to the soul. Self-preserving boys would rather be satisfied with a brew and bit of beef than an erotic tide of reckless passion. “
So let’s see if we can YET make sense of these liberal nutburgers… the liberal “men” lament being men and the cojone laden liberal women lament “men” with out them… of course she blames it on the environment…
“ The most alarming possibility as to why cocks are sagging is that something poisonous is in our water — or our air, or our food — you take your pick. “
She asks…
“ There’s an unhappy host of young men who seem to have soured on the mating game — but why? “
Um, because you ‘girls’ have been EMASCULATING THEM since you decided your bra was optional and learned makes good kindling???
{/LMAO}
Laughter is the single best stress reliever known… and you libs are the best providers of it! Thanks. I will be laughing all day! … x2!
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Urging people to shoot State Senator, how mean spirited. Perhaps the Washington State Patrol needs to visit you Goldstein. That sounds like you are threatening her.
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“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby jaybo— 9/9/06@ 10:12 am
“I noticed that you danced right by O’Donnel’s interview.”
I’m not exactly sure what you’re talking about here. My comment was not about the O’Donnel interview, but about the report from a “former military aide to President Clinton” that somehow failed to mention that he has already written one book critical of President Clinton, and is currently promoting a second one.
That doesn’t make his statements automatically false, but the failure to mention that does make them highly suspect.
Are there any corroborating witnesses? We have one person, who apparently has a rather large axe to grind, and who has a financial interest in making President Clinton look bad as the “witness” to these events.
There were also other military officers, senior CIA personnel and others supposedly present. You’ll note that I’m not counting the principles themselves or other political types, who would also be somewhat suspect as witnesses.
As to the quote from Publishers Weekly, I remember reading it in another venue and checked it myself before using it. The fact that LtCol Patterson wrote his book is common knowledge, but you are welcome to check that on either Amazon or Barnes & Noble’s websites, along with the pre-sale offers on his next book.
However, since you seem to want me to comment on the O’Donnel interview, I will.
First, I notice that Mr. Schuer does not corroborate LtCol Patterson’s version of events.
He does note that the Clinton administration had reports about Bin Laden, and decided that the information was not reliable enough to actually use deadly force, an opinion that he does not apparently share.
It also seems that Mr. O’Donnel tried rather hard to put words in Mr. Schuer’s mouth regarding the whole affair and, despite the fact that Mr. Schuer was rather frustrated by the response from the Clinton administration, the worst condemnation he can extract was “the government on all occasions decided that the information was not good enough to act.”
If you want someone to flatly say that the Clinton administration was the greatest thing since sliced bread and that President Clinton will be remembered as the greatest President since Lincoln, you’ll have to talk to someone else. The best I’ll say about him is that he was better than his predecessor. I’ll also say that his predecessor was better than our current president. Sorry, JayBo. I don’t parrot anyone, and frankly I was not the biggest fan of President Clinton.
(Oddly enough, the last President I really liked was a Republican, President Ford, who, even though he’s over 90, I’d take him over all of the Republicans and most of the Democrats running.)
Open thread
UPDATE:
Not sure who made the video, but here at least is the story behind the music. (Yes, it is Rickie Lee Jones.)
Ah, come on…considering how they’re so full of it…
Markets down 73 points as reality sets in.
Who’s the one in the middle?
# 4: Still up for the week. Today’s drop consisted of profit-takers cashing in on the advances which occured once Wall Street was convinced that the Democrats were going to control Congress. A little “fiscal responsiblity” never hurt anyone.
By the way, anybody have a link to Katherine Harris’ concession speach? That should be a doozy.
Only the beginning…
Adios, fascist motherfuckers.
re 4: A company that lives on borrowed money is the only kind affected by the vagaries of the stock market — short of a major crash. This just reflects the caution of investors when there is some major shift. Like the complete crash after Bush’s election.
By the way, anybody have a link to Katherine Harris’ concession speach? That should be a doozy. Commentby rhp6033— 11/9/06@ 4:26 pm
http://tinyurl.com/yd38pu
In her concession speech, Harris urged a room of 200 supporters: “Don’t succumb to bitterness at some of the liberals in the media, or vindictiveness to our political opponents, no matter which party that they’re in.”
http://www.miami.com/mld/miami.....958214.htm
So there you have it — Harris lost because of the liberal media!
Katherine Harris has a mind as ugly as her face.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....amp08.html
Another blow to the moronic hypocritical Christian right. There precious Jesus Camp (Home to man-on-man massage lover Haggard) is done.
Man you right wing assholes are certainly having one fucked up week aren’t you?
HE HE!
Darcy is still in the lead despite what the p.i. has been reporting .
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT NO. 8
Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 126040 / 316777 39.79%
Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 745
/ 745 100.00%
United States Representative Congressional District No. 8
Darcy Burner DEM 62516 50.31%
Dave Reichert REP 61595 49.56%
Write-in 161 0.13%
http://www.metrokc.gov/electio.....sPage4.htm
Righty tax logic 101:
The rich pay most of the taxes so it’s unfair to raise taxes on the rich.
The rich hire expensive tax lawyers and they end up not paying any taxes anyway, so it makes bad sense to raise taxes on the rich, because you’ll just end up paying them yourself.
How can you believe both of those statements, simultaneously? You can only believe it in DUMBLAND — the deep South.
@15. I think you are just looking at the King Co portion of Dist 8. As has been pointed out Richert is running ahead in the Pierce Co portion.
oh ok well were can I get a full count of the total?
Fucking Pierce County!
16 Yeah…he’s apparently garnered the approval of Pistol Packin’ Pam’s constituents.
Fucking Pierce County!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well I guess I will have to stop sending hate mail to the P.I. now
:-(
Only 50% of the vote has been counted is that right?
in the 8th
It doesn’t matter how much one grimaces and squints, that’s probably not the way to bring on The Rapture.
http://vote.wa.gov/elections/g.....11d5bd6d16
Is where you go for total results for the WA-08 race.
We didn’t actually vote Republicans out of office.
We flushed the toilet.
Same thing either way……
Just to show you how out-of-touch with reality the wingnuts are, here’s a quote from the pathetic little competing blog:
Wingnut says:
“13. Hey, Unk, what about Pelosi’s 24% approval rating? That doesn’t seem to be getting the same level of coverage in the mainstream media. Posted by Burdabee at November 9, 2006 03:04 PM”
Reality check:
2006 Race for U.S. House of Representatives – California 8th District
Nancy Pelosi (D) (inc.), 80%
Mike DeNunzio (R), 10%
Krissy Keefer(G), 8%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi
Lessee … in the only “approval rating” that counts, Pelosi got 80%, the Republican got 10%. Speaker Pelosi is now third in line of succession to the presidency. That means if both Bush and Cheney are removed from office, Speaker Pelosi will become President Pelosi — and millions of patriotic Americans will dance in the streets! Anybody got any questions?
what is it about republicans they just can’t seem to stop lieing about anything and everything?
They’re congenital liars.
Qustion:
What do you call it when a conservative takes a shit?
Answer:
A lobotomy!!
holy crap Danies Richards just wiped out a couple of old lades bye throwing a couple of lap top computers at the paporatsie!!!
Will the violence never end :-(
I thought conservatives were congenially constipated?
This election has been good for the entire Poon clan!!!
Ronald Reagan was a Poon on his mother’s side! Bet you Republicans were unaware of that!!!
It’s time that the other half of America stood up for Poon!!! I know that I am!!!
Add Sherwood, Reynolds, Pombo, DeWine, Talent to the list!
They got their asses handed to them!
No MORE lying monkeys, sons of bitches giving King George everything he wants.
Their day of reckoning has ARRIVED!
Have you heard that rap group, The Poon Tang Clan? They really get in the groove if you know what I mean!!!
C’mon. Enough with the Poon Puns,harry!
Pun with Poon. It’s patriotic! Go ahead, run your pun up the pole and into the Poon Barrel!
what’s poon? is that a republican teen age girl that has been getting corn holed in the butt for years because she’s trying to save her virginity?
Does Stefan eat Poon? Most likely! Sometimes his face looks like a glazed donut!
They don’t even know why they hate Pelosi, they just heard she is from San Francisco, and that must mean Gays like her, so we must hate her. Just like Soros and Hilary, they don’t know what to hate about them, they just know they should. (How easy it must be to be a republican, just somebody tell me who to hate.)
That’s why we call them Sheeple.
You see they’re trying to give a shit about the bottom 99% of income earners in America, but not… quite… convincingly.
#2 – Market Down – Reality sets in…..
The market was stagnant for 6 years and now here come all the big expectations and bullshit remarks……Truth2006, grow-up…..Why don’t you go research all the lieing, stealing and cheating that the Republicans know best.
“The market was stagnant for 6 years and now here come all the big expectations and bullshit remarks……Truth2006, grow-up…..Why don’t you go research all the lieing, stealing and cheating that the Republicans know best.”
As reality sets in, out come the potty words. The truth hurts, doesn’t it?
I like it – if the situation hurts a Republican, I like it even better – hope you get fucked in the stock market.
Maybe you can go as Dick Cheney for a loan, you paid enough for one in the price of gasoline – supply and demand, yeah right….
“I like it – if the situation hurts a Republican, I like it even better – hope you get fucked in the stock market.”
I don’t own stocks. Sorry to disappoint you hateful moonbat.
If anyone should know the truth hurts, it should be you….you can’t bear the reality of all the Republican lieing, cheating and stealing….. Go lick Ann Coulter’s pussy, I’m sure she could use good dildo right about now.
And Speaking of Hateful. You fascist pig….HAIL HITLER!
Lies2006 is hurting right now. . .America woke up and kicked his lying ass out of power. Get Used to it fool.
I was checking out the “Gay old man porn” site advertised above as part of my gay agenda and I swear I saw Stefan in a gay daisy chain .
I’m with goldy on the mccain suicide watch. We can only hope. He’s no conservative. He’s the poster child for why we lost. If he’s the nominee, he sas won’t get my vote.
We need a REAL conservative. Like Newt…
Harry, I cant remember the original Chinese for ‘poon tang’. I know the GI’s brought it into the slang lexicon at the same time as ‘nooky’ or “Nu Chi”, ‘young woman essence(spirit)’.
Hey Redneck, why don’t you guys just go see if Hitler is available.
Still waiting for one of you nitwits to actually answer my question:
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm
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Libs went after Iraq because the casualties were higher, thus they figure that they can sell opposition to Iraq easier. If the casualty figures were reversed libs would claim that the Iraq invasion was a good idea but that the Afghanistan invasion was causing more terrorists. If we pull out of Iraq the libs will then demand that we pull out the troops from Afghanistan.
americahater @ 101
You support the war in Iraq, but you haven’t signed up to go fight it. Yet, you accuse liberals of lacking “guts”? You are a cowardly little slug who would never crawl out of your own basement to fight for any principle. You epitomize the warmongering rightwing. That is why you fuckers just had your asses handed to you.
Commentby proud leftist— 11/9/06@ 4:30 pm
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Typical dumbshit lib; you haven’t the slighest idea what you are talking about. There is about a 99.99999% chance that between us I’m the only one to have ever fought for our country, you stupid Frenchfuck.
But please, keep pursuing your radical revenge agenda. Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again. Go full steam ahead with ever Bush hating measure you have come up with. Please. Pretty please with sugar in top. Oh and put nuts like Roger Rabbit front and center for all America to see what Democrats looke like. Let hims speak his mind too.
Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 3:11
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Exactly, Americans need to be reminded how anti-American and kooky the libs are. Too bad the Frenchfuck libs don’t have the guts to practice what they preach and impeach Bush; but moonbats on parade in countless investigations will be almost as good.
‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.
Man, two days into it and already a bunch of crying…..boo hoo hoo. boo hoo hoo.
Lemme see now,. . .take yer shoes off, no, now no liquids , no, buy duct tape and saran wrap. Man I feel so much safer with Homeland Stupidity on the job. You don’t get it, but most Americans do. It’s time for the adults to take charge.
Tree Frog Farmer @ 64:
The standard word for “vagina” is 陰道 yin1 dao4. There are lots of slang words in different dialects, but none of the ones I know are very close to poon tang.
Thanks for telling me about 女气, I didn’t know that one!
fascistfirst: let me guess – all the dipshits you were rooting for in the election lost.
Typical loser…
The lex maniacs at the Oxford English Dictionary say that Poontang is probably French (from putain – prostitute). The first usage is 1929, well before any of the land wars in Asia. Believe what you want.
‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.
No, it will not. The conservatives are getting out the long knives and forming circular firing squads to argue over who among them are the “real” conservatives. The neocons are jumping ship (cf latest issue of Vanity Fair).
They are a corrupt, spent force. No matter how much lipstick you put on this pig–private greed is not a public virtue.
Commentby phalangefirst— 11/9/06@ 6:52 pm
Hey, our Phalangist buddy is back! I notice that you posted Pravda2006’s question without bothering to post the answer, so I’ll do it for you.
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
Commentby Pravda2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm
Ok, I answered this on another thread, but I can do it here too.
First, when did “liberals” make the claim “attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists“? Somehow they left me off the distribution for that memo, and I missed getting that word.
Liberals, yours truly included, did make the claim that attacking Iraq under the circumstances that we did would create more terrorists. According to several intelligence agencies, including our own CIA, that appears to be the case.
I’m sure some liberal somewhere probably made the claim you stated, just as I can find some conservative somewhere that made the claim that we should simply nuke the entire Muslim world, killing every man, woman and child living there regardless of whether they’ve done us any harm, or even regardless of whether they were actually Muslim.
Since your basic statement (that liberals had claimed that attacking any predominantly Muslim country would increase terrorism) is false, the rest of your question is meaningless.
But, even if your basic statement were true, it would simply mean that we would have to decide if the goal was worth the increased risk.
Was reducing or eliminating the ability of the terrorists to train in relative safety worth the risk of encouraging a few people to join them? I tend to think so.
Was capturing the leader of a country that we had effectively neutralized and surrounded worth the thousands of US lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, billions of dollars, and the vastly increased incentive to join the terrorists? No, I don’t think so.
Does that clear it up for you, or should I use smaller words?
Commentby John Barelli— 11/9/06@ 6:52 pm
And to answer another of your posts:
“‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.”
Maybe, once the Republicans run the honest ones out of your party. I expect some of them will become Democrats and others will join the Libertarians (making that party more of a force in politics).
You see, most liberals get along pretty well with honest conservatives. Different perspectives, but often the same goals. Real conservatives believe in smaller, less intrusive government. Real conservatives believe in the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Real conservatives believe in finding ways to help folks that do not intrude on their personal liberty.
We have our differences, but we can hold discussions with honest conservatives, often finding ways to accommodate their goals while working towards ours. Quite often the goals are not mutually exclusive.
Heck, there is a rather large percentage of Democrats that would have been considered conservative, back before the neo-cons somehow preempted the term.
Yes, conservative Democrats may well have a good year in ’07, but you neocons and fascists are going to have a really lousy year. Don’t worry. You can always blame it on President Clinton.
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Yes, by all means, let’s look at the daily fluctuations of the weighted average of the selected stocks in the DJIA and interpret each one as the public’s reaction to Harry Reid’s choice of drapes in the Majority Leader’s office.
You’d do as well to kill a chicken and examine the entrails.
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Previouys post to “Truth:”
Wow, your comprehension is really lacking. I told you about this and gave you a link. You could have followed the link and read it to understand what was going on; instead, you attribute the conclusion to “liberals” and then try to set up your very clever trap. Hope I don’t fall into it?
Anyway, the 9/11 commission stated only that “ ‘a source reported that an individual whom he identified as the big instructor‘ (probably a reference to Bin Ladin) complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked. According to the source, Bin Ladin wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger.”
So it was the 9/11 commission and their source, and not “liberals,” who “put that forth.”
Then, you set the trap:
Counldn’t be further from the truth. Many people opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. For example, I did not oppose the invading Afghanistan as a means to get to the perps of 9/11, but I opposed the Bush administration stonewalling the legitimate Afghani government’s reasonable requests for US to share the information that led them to believe bin Laden was at fault before they’d turn him over to us, and I oppposed the US subsequently invading as lacking legitimacy because of it.
However, that said, the US military action WAS popular and supported by lots and lots of people of all political stripes because of the 9/11 attacks. Weird, huh?
The 9/11 commission report came out in 2004. It’s the president’s actions and Republican suppport for same since we found out (a) that it’s part of bin Laden’s plan and (b) that we’re creating more and not fewer jihadists in Iraq that we have turned against, as sensible, non-ideologically blindered people SHOULD do.
Not that bin Laden favoring or not favoring a course should be the basis of our foreign policy. But when our intelligence services all concur that he’s right, we should fucking think about it for a fucking minute.
And that, children, is how the Republicans lost the Congress.
This is a good one:
“Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again.”
Yes, we mustn’t question the president or do anythign to keep him from wielding unilimted power, or it might be a “distraction.” I know how concerned you guys are about such things, because I noticed that after the first WTC bombing, and after the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya were attacked by alqaida, the Republican refrained from doing anything that wound distract the president out of respect for the office and their strong desire to keep AMerica safge. Oh, except for that little impeachment. We’ll use that behavior as our guide.
And no one will “take away tools” unless you count requiring teh executinve following our laws and our international treaties, and reinstating habeas corpus before the courts do to be “taking away tools.”
Regarding secret, warrantless wiretapping of US residents…
“rather than move to authorize the program, Democrats said they would push in January to investigate how the program had been run . . . . ”
It’s secret, so we don’t even know what’s been happening. But THIS (finally!) is how open, transparent government of, by, and for the people works. Public officials are in on what our republic does. If there’s nothing wrong, all the better. If someone who has been operating unaccountably has been doing something illegal or unconstitutional (which is the hazard of any untrammeled branch of government), then we need to freakin’ fix it.
We’re all patriots here, and everyone wants “terrorist sleeper cells” or whatever else keeps Republicans hiding under the bed to be caught and punished. Some of us just want a little more assurance that our government is not spying on us all along the way. And that the either follow our laws or request new ones wiht some good reasons instead of just ignoring them. Down that road lies dicatorship.