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  1. 1

    americafirst spews:

    Still waiting for one of you nitwits to actually answer my question:
    Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
    We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
    Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm
    ===========================================
    Libs went after Iraq because the casualties were higher, thus they figure that they can sell opposition to Iraq easier. If the casualty figures were reversed libs would claim that the Iraq invasion was a good idea but that the Afghanistan invasion was causing more terrorists. If we pull out of Iraq the libs will then demand that we pull out the troops from Afghanistan.

  2. 4

    americafirst spews:

    americahater @ 101
    You support the war in Iraq, but you haven’t signed up to go fight it. Yet, you accuse liberals of lacking “guts”? You are a cowardly little slug who would never crawl out of your own basement to fight for any principle. You epitomize the warmongering rightwing. That is why you fuckers just had your asses handed to you.
    Commentby proud leftist— 11/9/06@ 4:30 pm
    ====================================================
    Typical dumbshit lib; you haven’t the slighest idea what you are talking about. There is about a 99.99999% chance that between us I’m the only one to have ever fought for our country, you stupid Frenchfuck.

  3. 7

    jsa on commercial drive spews:

    The lex maniacs at the Oxford English Dictionary say that Poontang is probably French (from putain – prostitute). The first usage is 1929, well before any of the land wars in Asia. Believe what you want.

  4. 9

    proud to be an Ass spews:

    ‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.

    No, it will not. The conservatives are getting out the long knives and forming circular firing squads to argue over who among them are the “real” conservatives. The neocons are jumping ship (cf latest issue of Vanity Fair).

    They are a corrupt, spent force. No matter how much lipstick you put on this pig–private greed is not a public virtue.

  5. 11

    rhp6033 spews:

    By the way, anybody have a link to Katherine Harris’ concession speach? That should be a doozy.

  6. 13

    The Judy Miller Show spews:

    Righty tax logic 101:

    The rich pay most of the taxes so it’s unfair to raise taxes on the rich.

    The rich hire expensive tax lawyers and they end up not paying any taxes anyway, so it makes bad sense to raise taxes on the rich, because you’ll just end up paying them yourself.

    How can you believe both of those statements, simultaneously? You can only believe it in DUMBLAND — the deep South.

  7. 15

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 4: Still up for the week. Today’s drop consisted of profit-takers cashing in on the advances which occured once Wall Street was convinced that the Democrats were going to control Congress. A little “fiscal responsiblity” never hurt anyone.

  8. 16

    The Socialist spews:

    Fucking Pierce County!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. 20

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Harry, I cant remember the original Chinese for ‘poon tang’. I know the GI’s brought it into the slang lexicon at the same time as ‘nooky’ or “Nu Chi”, ‘young woman essence(spirit)’.

  10. 23

    harry poon spews:

    I was checking out the “Gay old man porn” site advertised above as part of my gay agenda and I swear I saw Stefan in a gay daisy chain .

  11. 24

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    I’m with goldy on the mccain suicide watch. We can only hope. He’s no conservative. He’s the poster child for why we lost. If he’s the nominee, he sas won’t get my vote.

    We need a REAL conservative. Like Newt…

  12. 25

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Lies2006 is hurting right now. . .America woke up and kicked his lying ass out of power. Get Used to it fool.

  13. 26

    Daddy Love spews:

    Regarding secret, warrantless wiretapping of US residents…

    rather than move to authorize the program, Democrats said they would push in January to investigate how the program had been run . . . .

    It’s secret, so we don’t even know what’s been happening. But THIS (finally!) is how open, transparent government of, by, and for the people works. Public officials are in on what our republic does. If there’s nothing wrong, all the better. If someone who has been operating unaccountably has been doing something illegal or unconstitutional (which is the hazard of any untrammeled branch of government), then we need to freakin’ fix it.

    We’re all patriots here, and everyone wants “terrorist sleeper cells” or whatever else keeps Republicans hiding under the bed to be caught and punished. Some of us just want a little more assurance that our government is not spying on us all along the way. And that the either follow our laws or request new ones wiht some good reasons instead of just ignoring them. Down that road lies dicatorship.

  14. 27

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    Maybe you can go as Dick Cheney for a loan, you paid enough for one in the price of gasoline – supply and demand, yeah right….

  15. 28

    Truth2006 spews:

    “I like it – if the situation hurts a Republican, I like it even better – hope you get fucked in the stock market.”

    I don’t own stocks. Sorry to disappoint you hateful moonbat.

  16. 29

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    If anyone should know the truth hurts, it should be you….you can’t bear the reality of all the Republican lieing, cheating and stealing….. Go lick Ann Coulter’s pussy, I’m sure she could use good dildo right about now.

  17. 31

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    I like it – if the situation hurts a Republican, I like it even better – hope you get fucked in the stock market.

  18. 32

    Danw spews:

    They don’t even know why they hate Pelosi, they just heard she is from San Francisco, and that must mean Gays like her, so we must hate her. Just like Soros and Hilary, they don’t know what to hate about them, they just know they should. (How easy it must be to be a republican, just somebody tell me who to hate.)

    That’s why we call them Sheeple.

  19. 33

    CherryVanilla spews:

    You see they’re trying to give a shit about the bottom 99% of income earners in America, but not… quite… convincingly.

  20. 34

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    #2 – Market Down – Reality sets in…..

    The market was stagnant for 6 years and now here come all the big expectations and bullshit remarks……Truth2006, grow-up…..Why don’t you go research all the lieing, stealing and cheating that the Republicans know best.

  21. 35

    Truth2006 spews:

    “The market was stagnant for 6 years and now here come all the big expectations and bullshit remarks……Truth2006, grow-up…..Why don’t you go research all the lieing, stealing and cheating that the Republicans know best.”

    As reality sets in, out come the potty words. The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

  22. 36

    harry poon spews:

    Pun with Poon. It’s patriotic! Go ahead, run your pun up the pole and into the Poon Barrel!

  23. 37

    The Socialist spews:

    what’s poon? is that a republican teen age girl that has been getting corn holed in the butt for years because she’s trying to save her virginity?

  24. 41

    skinnyfreak spews:

    Add Sherwood, Reynolds, Pombo, DeWine, Talent to the list!

    They got their asses handed to them!

    No MORE lying monkeys, sons of bitches giving King George everything he wants.

    Their day of reckoning has ARRIVED!

  25. 42

    harry poon spews:

    Have you heard that rap group, The Poon Tang Clan? They really get in the groove if you know what I mean!!!

  26. 44

    harry poon spews:

    Ronald Reagan was a Poon on his mother’s side! Bet you Republicans were unaware of that!!!

  27. 46

    The Socialist spews:

    holy crap Danies Richards just wiped out a couple of old lades bye throwing a couple of lap top computers at the paporatsie!!!

    Will the violence never end :-(

  28. 47

    The Socialist spews:

    what is it about republicans they just can’t seem to stop lieing about anything and everything?

  29. 48

    Two Dogs spews:

    @15. I think you are just looking at the King Co portion of Dist 8. As has been pointed out Richert is running ahead in the Pierce Co portion.

  30. 50

    Daddy Love spews:

    2 truth

    Yes, by all means, let’s look at the daily fluctuations of the weighted average of the selected stocks in the DJIA and interpret each one as the public’s reaction to Harry Reid’s choice of drapes in the Majority Leader’s office.

    You’d do as well to kill a chicken and examine the entrails.

  31. 51

    The Judy Miller Show spews:

    re 4: A company that lives on borrowed money is the only kind affected by the vagaries of the stock market — short of a major crash. This just reflects the caution of investors when there is some major shift. Like the complete crash after Bush’s election.

  32. 52

    CherryVanilla spews:

    It doesn’t matter how much one grimaces and squints, that’s probably not the way to bring on The Rapture.

  33. 53

    Daddy Love spews:

    55 56 57

    Previouys post to “Truth:”

    Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.

    Wow, your comprehension is really lacking. I told you about this and gave you a link. You could have followed the link and read it to understand what was going on; instead, you attribute the conclusion to “liberals” and then try to set up your very clever trap. Hope I don’t fall into it?

    Anyway, the 9/11 commission stated only that “ ‘a source reported that an individual whom he identified as the big instructor‘ (probably a reference to Bin Ladin) complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked. According to the source, Bin Ladin wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger.”

    So it was the 9/11 commission and their source, and not “liberals,” who “put that forth.”

    Then, you set the trap:

    We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action.

    Counldn’t be further from the truth. Many people opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. For example, I did not oppose the invading Afghanistan as a means to get to the perps of 9/11, but I opposed the Bush administration stonewalling the legitimate Afghani government’s reasonable requests for US to share the information that led them to believe bin Laden was at fault before they’d turn him over to us, and I oppposed the US subsequently invading as lacking legitimacy because of it.

    However, that said, the US military action WAS popular and supported by lots and lots of people of all political stripes because of the 9/11 attacks. Weird, huh?

    So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?

    The 9/11 commission report came out in 2004. It’s the president’s actions and Republican suppport for same since we found out (a) that it’s part of bin Laden’s plan and (b) that we’re creating more and not fewer jihadists in Iraq that we have turned against, as sensible, non-ideologically blindered people SHOULD do.

    Not that bin Laden favoring or not favoring a course should be the basis of our foreign policy. But when our intelligence services all concur that he’s right, we should fucking think about it for a fucking minute.

    And that, children, is how the Republicans lost the Congress.

  34. 54

    americafirst spews:

    But please, keep pursuing your radical revenge agenda. Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again. Go full steam ahead with ever Bush hating measure you have come up with. Please. Pretty please with sugar in top. Oh and put nuts like Roger Rabbit front and center for all America to see what Democrats looke like. Let hims speak his mind too.
    Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 3:11
    ==========================================================
    Exactly, Americans need to be reminded how anti-American and kooky the libs are. Too bad the Frenchfuck libs don’t have the guts to practice what they preach and impeach Bush; but moonbats on parade in countless investigations will be almost as good.

    ‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.

  35. 55

    The Socialist spews:

    Darcy is still in the lead despite what the p.i. has been reporting .

    CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT NO. 8

    Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 126040 / 316777 39.79%

    Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 745
    / 745 100.00%

    United States Representative Congressional District No. 8

    Darcy Burner DEM 62516 50.31%

    Dave Reichert REP 61595 49.56%

    Write-in 161 0.13%

    http://www.metrokc.gov/electio.....sPage4.htm

  36. 56

    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Lemme see now,. . .take yer shoes off, no, now no liquids , no, buy duct tape and saran wrap. Man I feel so much safer with Homeland Stupidity on the job. You don’t get it, but most Americans do. It’s time for the adults to take charge.

  37. 59

    For the Clueless spews:

    fascistfirst: let me guess – all the dipshits you were rooting for in the election lost.

    Typical loser…

  38. 60

    Daddy Love spews:

    This is a good one:

    Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again.

    Yes, we mustn’t question the president or do anythign to keep him from wielding unilimted power, or it might be a “distraction.” I know how concerned you guys are about such things, because I noticed that after the first WTC bombing, and after the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya were attacked by alqaida, the Republican refrained from doing anything that wound distract the president out of respect for the office and their strong desire to keep AMerica safge. Oh, except for that little impeachment. We’ll use that behavior as our guide.

    And no one will “take away tools” unless you count requiring teh executinve following our laws and our international treaties, and reinstating habeas corpus before the courts do to be “taking away tools.”

  39. 65

    John Barelli spews:

    Commentby phalangefirst— 11/9/06@ 6:52 pm

    Hey, our Phalangist buddy is back! I notice that you posted Pravda2006’s question without bothering to post the answer, so I’ll do it for you.

    Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.

    We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?

    Commentby Pravda2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm

    Ok, I answered this on another thread, but I can do it here too.

    First, when did “liberals” make the claim “attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists“? Somehow they left me off the distribution for that memo, and I missed getting that word.

    Liberals, yours truly included, did make the claim that attacking Iraq under the circumstances that we did would create more terrorists. According to several intelligence agencies, including our own CIA, that appears to be the case.

    I’m sure some liberal somewhere probably made the claim you stated, just as I can find some conservative somewhere that made the claim that we should simply nuke the entire Muslim world, killing every man, woman and child living there regardless of whether they’ve done us any harm, or even regardless of whether they were actually Muslim.

    Since your basic statement (that liberals had claimed that attacking any predominantly Muslim country would increase terrorism) is false, the rest of your question is meaningless.

    But, even if your basic statement were true, it would simply mean that we would have to decide if the goal was worth the increased risk.

    Was reducing or eliminating the ability of the terrorists to train in relative safety worth the risk of encouraging a few people to join them? I tend to think so.

    Was capturing the leader of a country that we had effectively neutralized and surrounded worth the thousands of US lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, billions of dollars, and the vastly increased incentive to join the terrorists? No, I don’t think so.

    Does that clear it up for you, or should I use smaller words?

    Commentby John Barelli— 11/9/06@ 6:52 pm

    And to answer another of your posts:

    “‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.”

    Maybe, once the Republicans run the honest ones out of your party. I expect some of them will become Democrats and others will join the Libertarians (making that party more of a force in politics).

    You see, most liberals get along pretty well with honest conservatives. Different perspectives, but often the same goals. Real conservatives believe in smaller, less intrusive government. Real conservatives believe in the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Real conservatives believe in finding ways to help folks that do not intrude on their personal liberty.

    We have our differences, but we can hold discussions with honest conservatives, often finding ways to accommodate their goals while working towards ours. Quite often the goals are not mutually exclusive.

    Heck, there is a rather large percentage of Democrats that would have been considered conservative, back before the neo-cons somehow preempted the term.

    Yes, conservative Democrats may well have a good year in ’07, but you neocons and fascists are going to have a really lousy year. Don’t worry. You can always blame it on President Clinton.

  40. 66

    jsa on commercial drive spews:

    Tree Frog Farmer @ 64:

    The standard word for “vagina” is 陰道 yin1 dao4. There are lots of slang words in different dialects, but none of the ones I know are very close to poon tang.

  41. 69

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Just to show you how out-of-touch with reality the wingnuts are, here’s a quote from the pathetic little competing blog:

    Wingnut says:

    “13. Hey, Unk, what about Pelosi’s 24% approval rating? That doesn’t seem to be getting the same level of coverage in the mainstream media. Posted by Burdabee at November 9, 2006 03:04 PM”

    Reality check:

    2006 Race for U.S. House of Representatives – California 8th District
     Nancy Pelosi (D) (inc.), 80%
     Mike DeNunzio (R), 10%
     Krissy Keefer(G), 8%
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi

    Lessee … in the only “approval rating” that counts, Pelosi got 80%, the Republican got 10%. Speaker Pelosi is now third in line of succession to the presidency. That means if both Bush and Cheney are removed from office, Speaker Pelosi will become President Pelosi — and millions of patriotic Americans will dance in the streets! Anybody got any questions?

Open thread

Forced quit

UPDATE: (5:39 PM)
Not that we didn’t already know the Dems took control of the Senate, but the AP just officially called Virginia for Webb.

Comments

  1. 70

    The Socialist spews:

    Socialism was born out of the extreme operation of the industrial revolution , of child labor and working people all most to death for barely enough to live on. You can still see this process going on in china and India and other countries we have allowed our capitalist to exploit. and don’t worry if the capitalist have there way it will be coming back to America really soon.

  2. 71

    For the Clueless spews:

    ghost, what are you still doing here? We know your posting history. You’ve earned zilch regard from anyone here. You name call. You hang out at (un)SP. Shall we dig up some choice quotes?

    You’re environmentally conscious and active. Big deal! You hate Washington State so what are you doing here?

    That Hollywood liberal DemocratRepublican Schwarzenegger was re-elected. Celebrate.

    Get on with your life. We’ll be fine.

  3. 72

    The Socialist spews:

    ELECTION 2006

    Dems complete election sweep of Congress
    WASHINGTON — Democrats completed an improbable double-barreled election sweep of Congress on Wednesday, taking control of the Senate with a victory in Virginia as they padded their day-old majority in the House.
    Update · 6:32 p.m.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/

  4. 74

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    All Kerry did was bungle a jibe directed at Bush. This guy is saying he wants terrorists to kill Americans (apparently in revenge for electing Democrats).

  5. 75

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I just want to remind everyone what kind of people post comments on Sound Politics.

    “Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago.”
    Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM

    http://tinyurl.com/ydlfwu

    (Quoted in full; nothing taken out of context.)

  6. 76

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Let’s not forget that yesterday’s election was marred by dirty tricks. We need to talk more about that in the days ahead. Like the gun-packing dude who stopped Hispanics on their way to the polls …

  7. 77

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    “States reporting voter intimidation efforts and dirty tricks on Election Day:

    “VIRGINIA

    “In a neck-and-race Senate race between Republican George Allen and Democrat Jim Webb, the FBI was probing reports of phone calls apparently encouraging voters to stay home on Election Day or face criminal charges. Other calls directed voters to the wrong polling place. …

    “ARIZONA

    “In Arizona, three men, one of them armed, stopped Hispanic voters and questioned them outside a Tucson polling place, according to voting monitors for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

    “MARYLAND

    “Sample ballots suggesting Republican Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich and Senate candidate Michael Steele were Democrats were handed out by people bused in from out of state. Democrats outnumber Republicans in Maryland by nearly 2-to-1.

    “OHIO

    “A federal judge in Cleveland ordered 16 Cuyahoga County polling locations stay open 90 minutes past the scheduled 7:30 p.m. close because of delays caused by voting machine problems and lines that were an hour long.”

    http://tinyurl.com/tp2vp

  8. 78

    busdrivermike spews:

    Since the first vote count in the 8th district, Reichart has held a 2700 vote lead. According to statistical theory, that is fishy. If reichart wins by 2700, we better check the trail of that smell.

  9. 79

    For the Clueless spews:

    ghost: you’re such a kook. Keep laughing. The laugh of a mad woman. Did we scare you? Oh sorry about that. NOT!

    The democratic caucus moved in a progressive direction. Maybe a modestly progressive direction but still the right direction.

    We’re going to keep working to move things in a positive, progressive direction. People like you are for the reactionary way. I’m ok with that. It reminds me of what I’m working against.

    I’m not worried about the future either.

    About Raygun: he was a bit of a sci-fi buff. He talked about an invasion from Mars with Gorbachev in Iceland. Look it up. It’s true. Hell he loved that a-bomb pumped space laser stuff.

    I bet you loved it too.

  10. 80

    jaybo spews:

    Bad news for the kos kids and other progressives.

    Bill Clinton: Election No Move to the Left by U.S.
    In Ottawa Canada last night, former president Bill Clinton told a crowded forum that the election results were “a rejection of hard-headed, ideological politics in which people just make up their mind what the answer is and then they try to make the facts fit the answer,” according to a report in the Toronto Star.
    At a press conference before his address to a Jewish National Fund dinner, Clinton noted: “I think the American people prefer, first, a government that gets things done and is not mired in partisan gridlock.”
    Clinton also told reporters at the press conference that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s resignation was “more or less inevitable” because even before the elections, notable military publications in the U.S. were asking for a new direction in Iraq.
    It provides an opportunity “to make a new beginning” on Iraq, Clinton added.

    Clinton told the dinner crowd that Americans, while more “culturally conservative” than Canadians, are at the core “a practical people,” adding, “It would be a big mistake to read the results as some big move to the left in America.”
    Confessing that he flew to Canada after staying up until 5 in the morning celebrating his wife Hillary’s re-election to the U.S. Senate, the former president concluded that U.S. voters clearly want a government that doesn’t stray too far to the right or too far to the left.
    “They thought that the government has gone too far to the right, is too unaccountable,” Clinton said. “So what they voted for was not necessarily to legitimize the whole Democratic agenda but to give us a chance to build the vital centre of America and to get things done and come together.”
    The mid-term results are marching orders to President Bush “for the country to get together,” Clinton concluded.
    The Star noted that former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien and his wife, Aline, were at the head table — while Conservatives were notably absent.

  11. 81

    K spews:

    Much as I’d like to believe that’s it, dpk, you also need to count the votes from Pierce Co in WA-8.

  12. 82

    jaybo spews:

    One day after Republicans lost their majority in the U.S. House and Senate, a question: Just how solid is the alliance among Democrat incumbents, moderates, newly-elected conservatives who used to be Republicans, and the fringe left?

    Northwest Progressive Institute (NPI) did something today on their website that may reveal rogue riptides in the ‘blue wave’ that swept through Tuesday’s elections:
     A blog entry was posted by NPI contributor ‘Stilwell’ which blasted Rahm Emanuel and Democrat leadership over private meetings, held pre-election, to discuss how the liberal wing of the party would not be allowed to dominate the agenda next year. ‘Stilwell’ was none-too-happy, as evidenced by these excerpts: “We knew before the election that the mindless centrists who brought us twelve years of hell would immediately try to throw progressives under the bus. And sure enough Rahm Emmanuel has already started that attempt… The centrists should cut the crap and accept progressives as full partners, or we keep fighting. Their call. Deep down they know they would still be the minority if it weren’t for progressives…”. Pretty provocative piece, so I linked to it.
     I went back to the post later, to see if any comments had been entered. One had, by ‘Possum’ of the Roadkill blog. Roadkill is a self-described moderate who has been equally tough on the GOP and Democrats. But Possum’s comment was a more of a warning: that the people who had actually been thrown under the bus were moderates who felt betrayed by the GOP for not living up to the promise of conservative government for the past 12 years, and that if Democrats thought they had a mandate to do anything they wanted or cater to the extreme left of the party, they too would be voted out of power. Stilwell’s response? “Screw you troll”. I couldn’t resist and left a comment: “Spoken like a true progressive”.
     A few hours later, I discovered the post had been pulled. At first I wasn’t sure if it was intentional or due to technical problems, but I had my answer later when I discovered the link was being re-directed to the main NPI blog page. It was obvious at the point an effort was underway by NPI to hide the Stilwell post.
     I couldn’t find the post in my browser cache, but I was able to take a snapshot of a Google search which shows the post was up long enough to be in the Google search index (click here if you want to see it).
    So here are the questions I have: Why did NPI take the post down? Did they get pressure from Democrat leadership? What is the plan by the netroots if they are shut out of power by the Democrats and are not accepted as “full partners”?
    I really wish I had cached or copied the full post because it represents why the new Democrat majority in congress is less of a “house of blue” and more of a “house of cards”. It’s a majority that was acquired by running conservative democrats against GOP incumbents, in part fueled by money raised from the extreme left and blogosphere. As slim as the majority is, it seems like it will be difficult to keep all factions happy and motivated and feeling like they have a place at the table.
    And, as an aside, how ironic that the netroots biggest and most expensive goal – replacing Joe Lieberman with Ned Lamont – failed. And not only for failing to get Lamont elected, but by making Lieberman, now a swing-voting independent in 49-49-2 split Senate, even more crucial to the Democrats plans to ride that ‘blue wave’.
    And if you know of other examples of netroot or progressive meltdowns towards Democrats, send them my way. There should be plenty.
    This entry was posted on Wednesday, November 8th, 2006 at 11:46 pm and is filed under Informational. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

  13. 84

    The Socialist spews:

    Early American Marxism

    A rich archive of works about the early history of Marxism in the United States of America, and the documents of the various Marxist groups and founders of the union movement, 1864-1930.

    see we helped found the union moments in the U.S.A.

  14. 85

    Daddy Love spews:

    A few days ago Bush was saying “Elect the Democrats, and the terrorists win.”

    I think we’d better show him who REALLY won.

  15. 86

    Don Joe spews:

    You know, Ghost, for someone who spends a lot of time griping about other people expressing unconstructive thoughts, you sure seem to not engage in much discussion that has any kind of constructive aim.

  16. 87

    The Socialist spews:

    I think now is the time for the Socialist party and the Democratic party to merge and become the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

    We should start by electing Berney Sanders as leader of the Senate in this new congress.

  17. 88

    Pale Rider spews:

    Firing Rummy was simply a case of the old story about “I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.”

    Bush hopes that throwing Rummy overboard will be enough of an offering to the Deep Blue Sea gods that the storm will subside.

    No chance, Georgie. The invasion if Iraq has been a fundamental piece of Neocon strategy at least as far back as the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance produced by Wolfowitz and Libbey for then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney. This war is chained to your neck and there’s no getting away.

    BTW, here’s a promise to all the right-wingers out there who are asking for civility: I promise to be as civil to all you knuckle-dragging Fascist right-wing howlers as Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly are to Liberals. Stick that in your crack pipes.

  18. 90

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “N.H. makes GOP stop some automated calls

    “By KATHARINE WEBSTER
    “ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

    “CONCORD, N.H. — A Republican organization agreed to stop making automated phone calls to New Hampshire residents on the federal do-not-call list. But the Democrats said Monday that the calls still violate federal rules.

    “The National Republican Congressional Committee agreed on Sunday to stop calling homes on the registry after a citizen complained to the state attorney general. Under New Hampshire law, political campaigns can contact people on the do-not-call list, but cannot use automated recordings.

    “The calls criticize Democratic congressional challenger Paul Hodes, who is locked in a tight race against Republican Rep. Charles Bass … a spokesman for Hodes said the calls also violate a Federal Communications Commission rule that says automated calls must identify their source at the beginning of the message. …

    “The NRCC is using ‘robo calls’ in at least 53 competitive House races nationwide. …

    “‘This is the same kind of dirty tricks we’ve seen up here in the last couple of election cycles,’ Hodes spokesman Reid Cherlin said. In May, a former Republican National Committee official, James Tobin, was sentenced to 10 months behind bars for his role in the jamming of New Hampshire Democrats’ telephones on Election Day 2002. He was the third person sent to prison in the case.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yl4aby

  19. 91

    proud to be an Ass spews:

    christmasghost, why shouldn’t we be “cozy” with socialists? Wingnuts are cozy with nazis, the KKK, and other eliminationists.

    Your point is, well, pointless, and it can only be hoped that your kind are consigned to politcal irrelevancy. Enjoy the holiday season.

    Regards,

  20. 92

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Mike!? McGavick — another failed GOP politician consigned to the footnote section of state history textbooks; never to be heard from again.

  21. 94

    christmasghost spews:

    GBS….lying dear? i believe that is your forte, is it not?
    what? what i have done and have to say disturbs you because it ruins your whole little “shrewisms” about evil nasty republicans?
    oh bring it on baby……i would love to see you TRY to take me down. because you can’t.
    this is what happens when you generalize about a whole group of people you ACTUALLY know nothing about. you are just trash that has never ammounted to anything by your own fault [it’s called laziness] and are standing outside the candy store looking in….without anything to buy the candy with. should we feel sorry for you? no….you are a parasite…you have proven that too many times.
    ahhh…the base of the far left…..if you thought the far right was crazy these people really take the cake.
    and here’s a little thinker for you. you should try and remember that you really don’t KNOW who you are talking to….now do you?
    you give the term MEME a whole new meaning as in “what about ME , ME , ME , ME, ME ????????????????
    but your post is hysterical.
    first of all, what have you done? talked alot [bingo] and done nothing. walked around holding a sign soemeone else made? and still did nothing.talked about the environment but you don’t actually ever do anything, right?
    you hate big oil [and once again for that little lefty whine to mean anything…where is LITTLE oil?] and yet, here you are typing on it and burning it up as electricity.
    does your hypocrisy know no bounds??????
    you are nothing more than a gasbag phoney.
    and sweets…i didn’t lose anything. i wasn’t running for office. my god with your lack of grasp of the english language it’s a wonder you can cross the street………

  22. 95

    rhp6033 spews:

    I suspect McGavick wants to run again in two years, but he will not want to take a position lower than Senator, President, or Chief Justice.

    In the meantime, he will want a job to pad out his resume. I don’t think lobbying will work for him this time. He won’t be very welcome (or effective) with the Democrats in charge of the House, and possibly the Senate also. But lots of Bush appointees will be abandoning ship over the next year (it always begins the moment the President becomes a lame duck). He may want to slide into some cabinet or diplomatic post as a Bush appointee to tide him over until he starts his campaign run again next year.

  23. 97

    christmasghost spews:

    ass…my kind?
    and just what kind is that? do you mean a person that owns a company that employs people at a very good wage? or the person that spent her own money and blood, sweat and tears to save a wetland? how about the person that does wildlife rescue?
    that person? you want that person to go away?
    let me guess…you are a seattle parasite that talks big but does nothing. except for yourself…..am i warm yet?

  24. 98

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “In Arizona, three men, one of them armed, stopped Hispanic voters and questioned them outside a Tucson polling place, according to voting monitors for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

    “In Maryland, sample ballots misidentifying the party affiliations of Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich and Senate candidate Michael Steele were handed out by people bused in from out of state, The Washington Post reported.

    “In Virginia, election officials contacted the FBI over complaints of voter intimidation. In some states, long lines formed, prompting appeals to judges to keep polls open longer.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yghvd2

  25. 100

    For the Clueless spews:

    jaybo and ghost: you lost, get over it.

    Progressives are going to do just fine over the coming years. Get used to it. We’re never going to forget what you liars have done to this country since 1994 or since 1980 with Raygun for that matter.

  26. 103

    rhp6033 spews:

    Probably the first question McGavick asked this morning was: “Okay, Cantwell wasn’t the easy pickings we thought. When does the other Senator – eh, what’s her hame – run for re-election again?”

  27. 104

    stedman spews:

    This should be our theme song for this victory:

    Martha And The Vandellas Dancing In The Streets Lyrics

    Calling out around the world
    Are you ready for a brand new beat
    Summer’s here and the time is right
    For dancing in the street
    They’re dancing in Chicago
    Down in New Orleans
    Up in New York City
    All we need is music, sweet music
    There’ll be music everywhere
    There’ll be swinging swaying records playing
    Dancing in the street

    Oh it doesn’t matter what you wear
    Just as long as you are there
    So come on ev’ry guy grab a girl
    Ev’rywhere around the world
    They’ll be dancing
    They’re dancing in the street

    It’s just an invitation across the nation
    A chance for folks to meet
    There’ll be laughing, singing, music swinging
    Dancing in the street
    Philadelphia, PA
    Baltimore and D.C. now
    Can’t forget the Motor City
    All we need is music, sweet music
    There’ll be music everywhere
    There’ll be swinging, swaying, records playing
    Dancing in the street

    Oh it doesn’t matter what you wear
    Just as long as you are there
    So come on ev’ry guy grab a girl
    Ev’rywhere around the world

    Dancing
    They’re dancing in the street
    Way down in L.A.
    Every day
    Dancing in the street

  28. 105

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    FullContactPolitics — you are one bitter, sick, twisted psycho. Please seek professional help.

  29. 106

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Mike!? McGavick joins the ranks of John Carlson, Ellen Craswell, and Motherbeat Irons as big-time Republican loooosers! Even Richard Pope got better numbers than McGavick! He did better than Low Tax Looper, though.

  30. 108

    Don Joe spews:

    Thank you, truthless, for showing us that the Coultergeist is willing to cling to her delusions through thick and thin. But, perhaps you can tell us, why did she leave out Clinton’s sixth year mid-term?

    Facts, drunks and lamp-posts again.

  31. 109

    vancouver sucks spews:

    Hey long timers:

    How come the right winger trolls always have a long list of pornographic sites at their fingertips?
    Do you think there is a correlation between the discovery of sexual enhancement drugs and the right wing becoming so destructively vitriolic?
    Is there a connection between the vitriol and impotence?

    Just wondering.

  32. 111

    The Socialist spews:

    CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT NO. 8

    Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 126040 / 316777 39.79%

    Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 745
    / 745 100.00%

    United States Representative Congressional District No. 8

    Darcy Burner DEM 62516 50.31%

    Dave Reichert REP 61595 49.56%

    Write-in 161 0.13%

  33. 112

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Yes the righties are out to hurt America and they hate it that we’ve taken the country back from them so bad that they are hoping for terror attacks against US cities.

    Let’s hunt these fuckers down and give em some justice. They’re traitors. Simple fact.

  34. 113

    Don Joe spews:

    Clueless, I think the Ghost’s most interesting reaction is the seeming outrage at the backlash of some Democrats directed toward Republicans after decades of being demonized by Republicans. I detect a distinct inability, or at least significantly impaired ability, to stand in someone else’s shoes. At times, I wonder if this kind of self-absorbsion isn’t a fairly common phenomenon amongst the right-wing.

  35. 114

    Truth spews:

    Are you open-minded? Good. Then go to abort73.com and educate yourself. Especially see section 1A on the left of the homepage and click through. But only if you’re open-minded and interested in being informed.

  36. 115

    For the Clueless spews:

    Yes Don Joe, I agree. I think that self-absorption and that tendency to demonize is at its core narcissistic and is quite common among the right.

    Look at Stefan Sharansky. He takes everything personally. He keeps a lid on it to some extent in public but on his blog anything goes. It’s sad.

  37. 116

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Yes the righties are out to hurt America and they hate it that we’ve taken the country back from them so bad that they are hoping for terror attacks against US cities.

    Let’s hunt these fuckers down and give em some justice. They’re traitors. Simple fact.

  38. 117

    The Socialist spews:

    I think now is the time for the Socialist party and the Democratic party to merge and become the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

    We should start by electing Berney Sanders as leader of the Senate in this new congress.

  39. 118

    proud leftist spews:

    Stedman @ 10
    Gloating online is not as satisfying as gloating in person, but it ain’t bad, is it?

  40. 119

    GBS spews:

    Don’t you just hate it when the Culture of Corruption NECONS come on this blog and lie? I for one am sick of it.

    ChristmasGhost if you’re going to continue to come to HA and lie, whine, bitch, complain, and be unpatriotic, please stay away.

    “this tokenism about the minimum wage. why not actually raise it to a living wage? why? because then every company would do what i have already started to do….automate everything.

    honey…the sooner you figure out that i am always ahead of you, the better off you’ll be.

    Commentby christmasghost— 11/7/06@ 10:10 pm

    “ass…my kind?
    and just what kind is that? do you mean a person that owns a company that employs people at a very good wage? or the person that spent her own money and blood, sweat and tears to save a wetland? how about the person that does wildlife rescue?
    that person? you want that person to go away?
    let me guess…you are a seattle parasite that talks big but does nothing. except for yourself…..am i warm yet?

    Commentby christmasghost— 11/8/06@ 7:39 pm

    When will these fucking lying pieces of shit NEOCONS learn not to lie in writing? Don’t you know you get caught and shamed by us truth seeking LIBERALS?

    ChristmasGhost, if you keep lying like this and I’ll bitch slap you around on this blog until you forced to never come back just like I did to that lying piece of shit JCH.

    Get over it, you lost. Like President Clinton said, “when Americans vote in mass DEMOCRATS get elected.” Why do you think your fucking shitty party tries to suppress voter turn out? You lying scumbag. The Culture of Corruption runs deep in you immoral shit bags.

    So yes, if you’re going to continue to be unAmerican please do us all a favor and stay away.

  41. 120

    Another TJ spews:

    But according to the media, this week’s election results are a mandate for pulling out of Iraq (except in Connecticut where pro-war Joe Lieberman walloped anti-war “Ned the Red” Lamont).

    Lieberman won because he changed his position on Iraq. Now he’s for getting out, but thanks for not paying attention.

    I can’t say I’m surprised, though. It’s well-known that non-voters are less informed than voters, and Coulter can’t vote.

  42. 121

    Frank spews:

    Um…. Sad as it is… you’re not looking at TOTALS on the Burner race above…. you are only looking at King County totals…

    The Totals, as of tonight are:

    Darcy Burner
    Democrat 74,861 49.1027%
    Dave Reichert
    Republican 77,597 50.8973%

    Wish it was better news…

  43. 122

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I want to remind everyone, especially our wingnut friends, this is not the Democrats’ ultimate victory but only the beginning. For the next 2 years, Democrats will pass remedial legislation on a broad array of problems — then watch Bush veto all of it, setting up his party for a crushing repudiation in 2008 that will make 2006 look like child’s play.

  44. 123

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    As Goldy’s update points out, Associated Press just called Virginia for James Webb! Democratic House, Democratic Senate.

  45. 124

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Subject to recount. At this moment, Virginia has the highest concentration of lawyers on the planet.

  46. 125

    christmasghost spews:

    kids…are you ignoring your buddy “the socialist” again? come on…that’s not nice and we all know that you libs are really cozy with socialists so why snub him in public, hmmmmmmmmm?

  47. 127

    The Socialist spews:

    Burner narrows gap as King County results are announced
    Political newcomer Darcy Burner, the Democrats’ only remaining hope of gaining a congressional seat in Washington state, closed in slightly on Republican U.S. Rep. Dave Reichert as new results were announced Wednesday. The race remained too close to call.
    Update · 6:41 p.m.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/

  48. 128

    Anonymous spews:

    Goldy —

    When the excitement subsides, maybe you can work on the blog to figure out how to screen out the spammers.

  49. 131

    christmasghost spews:

    clueless…raygun? ohmygod…you can’t even come up with YOUR OWN insults. good grief. are you a californian? no? then stop line stealing…it’s so tacky. but obviously you are a 1960’s retread…that line gave you away.
    “progressives” won’t be running the DNC or the house and senate…didn’t you get the memo honey? just ask bill or rahm…they already announced it far and wide…where were you?
    god…so it’s true!!!! AMAZING!
    you fools didn’t even realize you were being used only to be discarded as nuts. i am not worried about the future of this country. i am not worried about moderate democrats. you tools scared the crap out of me….but let’s face it, you are the ONLY ONES that didn’t realize you wouldn’t be running the dog and pony show.
    wow…this is really amazing….i am going to be laughing for a long, long time……….

  50. 132

    Don Joe spews:

    Bummer about Burner, but that’s just so damn close for a district that had been written off as a safe Republican district that has never sent a Democrat to Congress.

    The good news is that Reichert’s wings are pretty much clipped by the rest of the Democrat landslide, and we still get to make Reichert jokes for the next two years.

  51. 133

    Frank spews:

    Amen.

    This district has NEVER elected a Gooper… yet we get closer every time… the tide is turning!

    I am SOOOO proud of the campaign that Darcy has run here… she represents what is GOOD about the Eastside.

    Reichert on the other hand… represents the redneck, pierce county mullet heads.

    Sigh.

  52. 134

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    31

    Do you think there is a correlation between the discovery of sexual enhancement drugs and the right wing becoming so destructively vitriolic? Commentby vancouver sucks— 11/8/06@ 6:58 pm

    Yeah.

  53. 135

    harry poon spews:

    re 41; your such a poor little victim. But I don’t believe a word you say.

    You need a good spanking! That will get your juices flowing. I’ll do it. I’ll leave red hand marks on your bottom and you’ll be telling me,”Daddy, I’ve been a bad wittle girl….”

    Can you save some of that wetland for me?

  54. 136

    Truth2006 spews:

    Now here is a word from Ann Coulter:

    History was made this week! For the first time in four election cycles, Democrats are not attacking the Diebold Corp. the day after the election, accusing it of rigging its voting machines. I guess Diebold has finally been vindicated.

    So the left won the House and also Nicaragua. They’ve had a good week. At least they don’t have their finger on the atom bomb yet.

    Democrats support surrender in Iraq, higher taxes and the impeachment of President Bush. They just won an election by pretending to be against all three.

    Jon Tester, Bob Casey Jr., Heath Shuler, possibly Jim Webb — I’ve never seen so much raw testosterone in my life. The smell of sweaty jockstraps from the “new Democrats” is overwhelming.

    Having predicted this paltry Democrat win, my next prediction is how long it will take all these new “gun totin’ Democrats” to be fitted for leotards.

    Now that they’ve won their elections and don’t have to deal with the hicks anymore, Tester can cut lose the infernal buzz cut, Casey can start taking “Emily’s List” money, and Webb can go back to writing more incestuously homoerotic fiction … and just in time for Christmas!

    But according to the media, this week’s election results are a mandate for pulling out of Iraq (except in Connecticut where pro-war Joe Lieberman walloped anti-war “Ned the Red” Lamont).

    In fact, if the Democrats’ pathetic gains in a sixth-year election are a statement about the war in Iraq, Americans must love the war! As Roll Call put it back when Clinton was president: “Simply put, the party controlling the White House nearly always loses House seats in midterm elections” — especially in the sixth year.

    In Franklin D. Roosevelt’s sixth year in 1938, Democrats lost 71 seats in the House and six in the Senate.

    In Dwight Eisenhower’s sixth year in 1958, Republicans lost 47 House seats, 13 in the Senate.

    In John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson’s sixth year, Democrats lost 47 seats in the House and three in the Senate.

    In Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford’s sixth year in office in 1974, Republicans lost 43 House seats and three Senate seats.

    Even America’s greatest president, Ronald Reagan, lost five House seats and eight Senate seats in his sixth year in office.

    But in the middle of what the media tell us is a massively unpopular war, the Democrats picked up about 30 House seats and five to six Senate seats in a sixth-year election, with lots of seats still too close to call. Only for half-brights with absolutely no concept of yesterday is this a “tsunami” — as MSNBC calls it — rather than the death throes of a dying party…

  55. 137

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    51

    Look at Stefan Sharansky … on his blog anything goes. Commentby For the Clueless— 11/8/06@ 8:43 pm

    Well that’s certainly true! Just today a poster on Stefan’s sucky little blog suggested “we need” another terrorist attack against the U.S. as an antidote to people voting for Democrats. Sick. And Stefan the self-described patriot won’t even censor it.

  56. 138

    Marcy, I mean Darcy spews:

    I am so relieved! I thought there for a minute that I might have to actually stay in a job for two years! Can you imagine?

    The voters in the 8th aren’t very bright, as pointed out on this blog. I bet most of them didn’t go to Harvard, like I did. I even bet most of them didn’t work for Microsoft!

  57. 139

    harry poon spews:

    The media is treating Pelosi as if she’s the de-facto president. What a relief we’ve got these clowns caged.

    The emperor not only has no clothes , he has no brain.

  58. 141

    harry poon spews:

    Bush’s Texas accent gets more pronounced the more desperate he gets. It’s really amusing to see him still strutting around like he’s large and in charge.

    You’ll not see that clown deferred to any longer. I’m glsd we’ve got Reichert to hector and wear down.

    “Dig for the dirt on Republicans. And if you can’t find it, keep looking. I’ve never known one that wasn’t tainted.” Rahm Emmanuel

  59. 142

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    65

    When the neocons stole power I never imagined they would drown themselves in their own slime so soon. I thought it would take at least 10 years.

  60. 143

    Don Joe spews:

    I have to say that I didn’t learn a thing from about73.com that I didn’t already know. What’s your point? That abortion is horrible? Agreed. Can we move on from that, and to the next question?

Comments

  1. 144

    Mike McGavick? Eats Babies spews:

    You can make good money as a hatchet man but you need to make enough moolah to live in a gated community w/ security cameras.

    Don’t come to my house looking for your pension you seedy old derelict.

    I make the hard decisions. You are fired and I get a $28 million golden parachute. Wow!! That wasn’t so hard!

  2. 145

    Daddy Love spews:

    51 Observer

    I thought this was the only poll that counts:

    Fox news poll: “Nearly half of likely voters — 49 percent — favor the Democratic candidate in their House district and 36 percent the Republican, with 15 percent still undecided in a FOX News poll conducted the final weekend before the midterm elections. More Democrats (37 percent) than Republicans (26 percent) say they are extremely interested in tomorrow’s elections, and more Democrats (89 percent) than Republicans (81 percent) say they plan to vote for their party’s candidate in their district…Independents favor the Democratic candidate by 42 percent to 27 percent…”

    Anyway, what you’re seeing is Democrats getting excited. The ass kicking is about to begin. I predict 27 seats in the House and 5 in the Senate (1 short of control). Say hello to Speaker Pelosi.

  3. 148

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a family man(shut up you fat whore…..Where’s Mike?) or being a hypocrit. I hate liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. HAIL HITLER!

  4. 149

    Another TJ spews:

    BigGlen, Dick Cheney described this election as critical in determining the direction we take in the “ideological struggle of the 21st century.” I guess, once again, Dick Cheney has “other priorities.”

  5. 150

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    John,

    No, it’s not a waste to vote. I’m just saying that the democrats failed to develop a meaningful platform other than “Bush is Bad”.

    The republicans are great at getting out the vote and focusing efforts at constiuencies that are under represented in polls.

    It was a golden opportunity … avoided.

    Look at the 8th district. Any decent, experienced democrat would have a 5-10 point lead going into election day. Instead, the democrats have an inexperienced contender. It’s just one example of the lack of party planning and will.

    Remember 2004? The Dems felt really strong going in (Iraq was pretty bad) and the Reps bucked history and added to their majorities.

    This was the year for the Dems to get cohesive. They failed. That’s too bad…as I want a change in congress. I just wish there had been the equivalent of a “contract with America” that was meaningful.

  6. 152

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Hey Righties. Your inbred cousin Mikey is 16 points behind Cantwell. Bendover girls. It’s time to take your medicine!

  7. 153

    Ted Haggard Sucks MWS spews:

    It’s worth ignoring giant, rambling, incoherant cut-and-paste jobs that foul an otherwise intelligent blog.

  8. 154

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday. “Bush is bad” is good…but not enough to do a 1994-like turn.

    Too bad, if they could have gotten it together this year, it would have been easy.

  9. 157

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    J.A.I.L. 4 Judges is a national organization dedicated to creating citizen “grand juries” in every state (and the federal government) with the power to second-guess — and punish — judges. Implementing their agenda requires amending the state and federal constitutions.

    Their proposed legislation provides that no member of the executive or legislative branch, nor any lawyer, may serve on these “grand juries.” The latter, of course, guarantees that judges will be “judged” by people who don’t know anything about law.

    Should this fantasy be enacted, I can tell you right now what will happen — there will be no judges serving on our courts except those who agree with the far-right ideology of these wingnut wackos. That’s because no lawyer in his right mind will risk becoming a judge if the Screaming Right acquires the power to sue and jail judges they don’t like.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.A.I.L._4_Judges

  10. 158

    Ted Haggard spews:

    Mike Webb SUCKS! Come over. I need a massage. Bring some “stuff” too.

    I’ll let you talk to the Preznit…

  11. 159

    rhp6033 spews:

    Dick Cheney hasn’t announced his hunting buddies yet for this trip. That will be determined after tomorrow’ election. Lots of “expendable” Republicans will be available, who will have a lot of extra time on their hands.

  12. 160

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “O’Connor Worries About Courts’ Autonomy

    “SAN FRANCISCO (AP) – Retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said she fears judges are under growing political attack nationwide.

    “‘I’m increasingly concerned about the current climate of challenge to judicial independence,’ O’Connor told a gathering of state judges from around the country Friday. ‘Unhappiness with judges today is at a very intense level.’

    “The judiciary is the weakest of the three branches of government, she said, and therefore the one with ‘the greatest need to be defended.’

    “The executive and legislative branches have become the attackers, so ‘the principal defenders are going to have to be the people of this country,’ … she said.

    “O’Connor, who retired in January after 24 years on the nation’s highest court, spoke just days before South Dakota voters consider the ‘Jail 4 Judges’ initiative. It would create a citizens’ grand jury that could authorize lawsuits or criminal prosecutions against judges based on their rulings.

    “Colorado voters will decide whether to limit judges on the state’s highest courts to 10 years in office, a measure that would remove five of the state’s seven Supreme Court justices within two years.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/y3jcb2

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: If Richard Pope doesn’t make it here, he could move to Colorado and try for one of their courts after they’re removed all the qualified judges!

  13. 161

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    When you vote Tuesday don’t forget the Bushies made America safer by posting Iraqi documents on the internet that tell terrorists how to assemble a nuclear bomb.

  14. 163

    GBS spews:

    JCH,

    You never said “why” you felt compelled to lie about your military service, which has been the gist of my line of questioning all along.

    What you don’t understand about the Liberman race is that if he wins that helps my position because Liberman will cacus with the Democrats for control of the senate. Remember the bet; whichever party controls the senate.

  15. 164

    JCH [Visiting Pennsylvania] spews:

    Dear ACORN, Illegals, New York City Jews who “double” vote Democrat in NYC and Palm Beach, and Democrat Blacks who get bussed to several polls in Milwaukee, Border Patrol with dogs, and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll to arrest and deport you on Tuesday!! Voter fraud is a capital offense!!!

  16. 165

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    When you vote Tuesday don’t forget the Bushies made America safer by posting Iraqi documents on the internet that tell terrorists how to assemble a nuclear bomb. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/6/06@ 12:45 am

    Furball, you said: “Where are the WMD’s in Iraq?” So how could something nonexistent be posted by your worthless logic?

  17. 166

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Next thing you know the wingnuts will accuse O’Connor (a Republican appointed by Reagan) of being a “liberal activist judge.”

  18. 167

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Worst Treehouse of Horror episode ever. Commentby Reporterward— 11/6/06@ 12:51 am

    Yeah, it doesn’t follow the TOH format. It’s too true-to-life.

  19. 168

    stedman spews:

    They tried to demonize Nancy Pelosi, but no one knew who she was. It’s hard to frighten voters with a “bogeyperson” named, NANCY!

    What a bunch of YOHO’s!!!

  20. 170

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Mike!? McGavick is the problem, not the solution. He wants to increase federal deficits by creating “private accounts” with Social Security taxes. We already have private accounts … they’re called IRAs, Roths, Keoghs, and 401(k)s.

  21. 171

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    66 Stedman

    Unfortunately, your response proves my point.

    The Dems platform is effectively “The Reps. don’t have a strategy”.

    You say I don’t know what I’m talking about. Perhaps. I hope the Dems take at least one house. I just feel that they missed their big change.

  22. 172

    rhp6033 spews:

    Newsweek’s Last Polling, reported Nov. 4th:

    “Nov. 4, 2006 – As President George W. Bush jets across Red State America this weekend, Republican candidates are falling further behind Democratic rivals, according to the new NEWSWEEK poll. While the GOP has lagged behind Democrats throughout the campaign season, the trend in the past month—when NEWSWEEK conducted four polls in five weeks—had suggested the Republicans were building momentum in the homestretch.

    No more. The new poll finds support for Republicans (and for President Bush) receding. For example, 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win enough seats to take control of one or both houses of Congress in the midterm elections on Tuesday. Those results are close to early October levels, while less than a third of Americans (32 percent) want Republicans to retain control. If the elections were held today, 54 percent of likely voters say they would support the Democratic candidate in their district versus 38 percent who would vote for the Republican-a 16-point edge for the Democrats….

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15...../newsweek/

  23. 174

    Daddy Love spews:

    54 TT

    The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday

    The Republicans lack a cohesive plan to “generate” victory in Iraq, and everyone knows it.

    And the seven-point lead in the (USAToday/Gallup) generic poll is exactly where the congressional generic was for the Gallup poll for the Republicans in 1994. And Fox News is reporting a 13-point edge in the generic poll.

    So, to close, you don’t know what you’re talking about. However, your ignorant opinion is noted.

  24. 175

    JCH [PA] spews:

    GBS, Again, your question has been answered in previous posts. FYI, I figure you are out of here in 48 hours, and I will take full credit for taking out the liberal Democrat traitor garbage. [BTW, COKER wins in TENN………Liberman goes independent, and Kerry’s big liberal “insult the troops” mouth kicks you off HA.ORG. “Game…….Set……..Match” Regards, JCH

  25. 176

    Mike Webb SUUUUUCKS spews:

    Ted Haggard look alike: Sorry you are not my type. My type is soft female and has nice suckable protrusions on their chest.

    I see you want to emulate him. Better call Mike Jones!

  26. 177

    David Wright spews:

    That is funny! (And, for the record, I supported the war, despite not believing the WMD canard.)

  27. 179

    Mike Webb SUUUUUCKS spews:

    Why is moonbattism against all that is good.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....=rss_world

    “With a potentially historic U.S. midterm election on Tuesday and the war in Iraq a major issue at the polls, many soldiers said the United States should not abandon its effort here. Such a move, enlisted soldiers and officers said, would set Iraq on a path to civil war, give new life to the insurgency and create the possibility of a failed state after nearly four years of fighting to implant democracy.

    “Take us out of that vacuum — and it’s on the edge now — and boom, it would become a free-for-all,” said Lt. Col. Mark Suich, who commands the 1st Squadron, 89th Cavalry Regiment just south of Baghdad. “It would be a raw contention for power. That would be the bloodiest piece of this war.”

    The soldiers declined to discuss the political jousting back home, but they expressed support for the Bush administration’s approach to the war, which they described as sticking with a tumultuous situation to give Iraq a chance to stand on its own.”

    Being moonbat is a mental disorder!

  28. 182

    GBS spews:

    JCH,

    You’re correct, very soon one of us will be banned from HA permanently. Since we’re so close to never exchanging barbs again let me ask you just one question. And, for Pete’s sake, please be honest.

    Why did you mislead people and try to convince them that the reason you didn’t finish flight school and become a Naval aviator was just a figment of my “vivid imagination?”

  29. 184

    Mike Webb SUUUUUCKS spews:

    The truth will set you free moonbats. It’s worth repeating the truth!

    #

    To Roger Rabbit and his friends, there are only two worlds left: terrorist free or terrorist controlled. Apparently are for the latter. Why? Below is an article with real names, not one with anonymous entries from unnamed sources!

    “Terrorists love Democrats: “By Aaron Klein
    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

    JERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday’s midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

    The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are “tired.”

    They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed. Of course, donk and islamofascists think alike!

    They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

    “Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

    “This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

    Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

    Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

    Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

    “As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

    Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

    “We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

    Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

    “[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

    The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America’s war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq.

    President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region

    The debate became especially poignant following remarks by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the 2004 presidential candidate who voted in support of the war in Iraq. Earlier this week he intimated American troops are uneducated, and it is the uneducated who “get stuck in Iraq.”

    Kerry, under intense pressure from fellow Democrats, now says his remarks were a “botched joke.”

    Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi’s comments on Iraqi insurgency

    Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

    In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

    Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

    WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

    Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.” – Moonbats how come the CNNs of the world could not find these Muslims? Or I think they didn’t want to show America the real enemy. They were scooped!

    He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

    Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would “mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America).”

    “Therefore, a victory in Iraq would be a greater defeat for America than in Vietnam.”

    Jaara said vacating Iraq would also “reinforce Palestinian resistance organizations, especially from the moral point of view. But we also learn from these (insurgency) movements militarily. We look and learn from them.”

    Hamas’ Abu Abdullah argued a withdrawal from Iraq would “convince those among the Palestinians who still have doubts in the efficiency of the resistance.” Did you say cut and run emboldens their resistance?

    “The victory of the resistance in Iraq would prove once more that when the will and the faith are applied victory is not only a slogan. We saw that in Lebanon (during Israel’s confrontation against Hezbollah there in July and August); we saw it in Gaza (after Israel withdrew from the territory last summer) and we will see it everywhere there is occupation,” Abdullah said.

    While the terror leaders each independently urged American citizens to vote for Democratic candidates, not all believed the Democrats would actually carry out a withdrawal from Iraq.

    Saadi stated, “Unfortunately I think those who are speaking about a withdrawal will not do so when they are in power and these promises will remain electoral slogans. It is not enough to withdraw from Iraq. They must withdraw from Afghanistan and from every Arab and Muslim land they occupy or have bases.”

    He called both Democrats and Republicans “agents of the Zionist lobby in the U.S.”

    Abu Abdullah commented once Democrats are in power “the question is whether such a courageous leadership can [withdraw]. I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so. I tell the American people vote for withdrawal. Abandon Israel if you want to save America. Now will this Happen? I do not believe it.”

    Still Jihad Jaara said the alternative is better than Bush’s party.

    “Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world.” – Now where did he hear that except from the fringe moonbats!

    Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:02 am
    #

    More thoughts for you Roger Rabbit:

    Democrats: ‘No comment’
    on terrorists’ endorsement
    DNC, Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy decline
    to discuss jihadists’ vote of confidence

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: November 3, 2006
    5:00 p.m. Eastern

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

    National leaders in the Democratic Party, including Howard Dean’s Democratic National Committee, potential House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, possible presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and longtime party stalwart Ted Kennedy don’t want to talk with WorldNetDaily about an endorsement their party has received.

    The endorsement came via a WND article by Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, who interviewed leaders of several prominent Mideast terrorist organizations, including Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad.

    “Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

    “This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

    Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

    Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

    Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

    “As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

    But WND was unable to get a single comment from dozens of telephone calls made over two days and messages left with various leaders’ offices and press secretaries.

    “I’ll see what we can do,” was the best response WND obtained when asking for a comment on the endorsement, and that came from Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Hammill in Pelosi’s office. It came on the third call to that office.

    The Democratic National Committee was approached at least six times, and multiple messages were deposited on a voice mail system handled by the courteous Rosemary, who said, “We’re extremely busy,” but there was no response, even after one spokesman in Sen. Barack Obama’s officer referred WND to the DNC because such a question would be in “Chairman Dean’s” territory.

    The Democratic Leadership Council’s response to multiple phone calls was similar, a promise to call back later.

    At least three messages left with Sen. Clinton’s office went unreturned after a receptionist forwarded the calls to an answering machine, which informed WND that, “No one is available to take your call at this time.”

    Calls to Sen. Kennedy’s office actually reached a live person, who listened to the request and promised, “If we’re able to we’ll shoot you something. We can’t promise.”

    Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar’s office generated a merry-go-round of telephone numbers. A call to his Washington office generated a referral to a Denver office, which generated a referral to a press office, which generated a referral to a cell phone. When a spokesman answered that number, the caller was referred back to the press office, which had an answering machine attached to the line. Leave a message.

    A call to Sen. Harry Reid also allowed the caller to leave a message.

    On the Republican side, Sen. Tom Tancredo, of Colorado, said those Mideast leaders are right – in one way.

    He told WND that the assessment by terrorists who suggested U.S. voters choose the Democrats on Tuesday because they believe an expected removal of U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory is hard to dispute.

    “I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

    “They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

    “In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

    The president’s recent statements also have given those factions reason to hope for better results under a Democrat Party leadership than the existing decision-makers.

    “Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said during a campaign stop this week. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

    “The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction.

    “But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

    Of course Goldie is a no show on this. This blows apart any further consideration who supports cut and run and who is supportive of cut and run!

    Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:06 am
    #

    Next for your review Roger Rabbit. This is the real world. Something you and your furballettes do not live in:

    “ELECTION 2006
    Lawmaker: Terrorists
    right about Democrats
    GOP congressman reacts to militants’
    endorsement of ‘party of cut-and-run’

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: November 3, 2006
    12:41 p.m. Eastern

    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

    Leaders of Mideast terrorist organizations such as the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad are right – in one way, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

    Terrorists interviewed by WorldNetDaily suggested Americans should vote for Democrats Tuesday, because the party’s plan to remove U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory.

    Tancredo today told WND the assessment is hard to dispute.

    “I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

    “They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

    “In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into, and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

    Multiple messages left over the course of two days seeking comment from the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Leadership Council, the offices of Sens. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton and others were not returned to WND.

    The Republican National Committee also did not return a message asking for comment.

    The president’s recent statements also have given the terrorists reason to hope for better results should the Democrat Party leadership be in power rather than the existing decision-makers.

    “The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction,” Bush said during a recent campaign stop.

    “Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

    “But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

    His comments were on the same subject being discussed by those terrorist leaders this week.

    “Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

    “This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

    Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

    They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.

    They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

    Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

    Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

    Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

    “As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

    Bush’s comments came on a campaign swing through southern states, where he was stumping for Republican candidates in a mid-term election that could leave either Republicans or Democrats in control of Congress, and terrorists a focal point of many debates.

    “We will defeat them,” he promised. “We’ll defeat them because our commanders on the ground have all the flexibility necessary to make sure that we constantly stay ahead of the enemy. We’ll defeat them because we got a fantastic United States military,” he said.

    “We will succeed in Iraq because the Iraqis want to live in a peaceful society. Twelve million – nearly 12 million defied car-bombers and assassins and terrorists and went to vote. … And I believe strongly that they’ll become a government of the people, and by the people, and for the people.

    “As a matter of fact, I believe the only way we cannot succeed is if we leave before the job is done,” he said.

    Bush said Democrats have talked a lot about different plans to deal with terrorism.

    “They’ve come up with a lot of creative ways to describe leaving Iraq before the job is done. Sometimes they say, ‘immediate redeployment.’ Sometimes they say they wouldn’t spend another dime on our troops. Sometimes they say the idea that we’re going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong. However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses,” he said.

    But in a statement on their website, the Democrats said, “We will protect Americans at home and lead the world by telling the truth to our troops, our citizens and our allies. We believe in a strong national defense that is both tough and smart, recognizing that homeland security begins with hometown security.”

    “Democrats have a plan that is comprehensive – from repairing our military, to winning the war on terror, to protecting our homeland security, to ensuring success in Iraq and freeing America of its dependence on foreign oil – and it will finally prepare America for the security needs of the 21st Century. And we honor the sacrifices our troops, their families and veterans by making sure we take care of them when they come home,” the statement continued.

    A new New York Times poll also indicated that Americans believe the U.S. will pursue a “quicker exit from Iraq” should the Democrats be in control. The survey said Americans believe the Democrats “have coalesced around a general position of finding a way to reduce or end American involvement in Iraq” but it also noted “there is substantial disagreement among Democratic Congressional leaders and candidates about exactly how to accomplish that.”

    “Nearly 75 percent of respondents, including 67 percent of Republicans and 92 percent of Democrats, said they expected that Americans (sic) troops would be taken out of Iraq more swiftly under a Democratic-led Congress.”

    The poll said 41 percent of respondents said they expected that troop levels would decrease if Democrats won control, while 40 percent said the party would seek to remove all troops. Forty-one percent said that they expected troop levels to remain the same if Republicans won, while 29 percent said they thought the United States would send more troops if the Republicans continued to control Congress.

    Vice President Dick Cheney has reinforced Bush’s plans:

    “Time and time again, we’re seeing examples of Democratic Party leaders apparently having lost their perspective concerning the nature of the enemy we face, and the need to wage this fight aggressively,” he said in a campaign stop this week. “No sharper example can be found than the Democratic Party chairman himself, Howard Dean, who said the capture of Saddam Hussein didn’t make America any safer.”

    Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, told WND the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

    “We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

    Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

    “[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

    Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

    In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

    Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

    WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

    Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.”

    He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

    I guess John Murtha is right? Wrong!

    Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:11 am

  30. 185

    ArtFart spews:

    19 A few years back, when email spam was just starting to become a real problem, I and other systems administrators would attempt to contact the ISP’s of the originators and point out that such activitity violated their published terms of use. In the course of this I discovered how many of the major porn purveyors were hosted by the likes of AT&T and uunet.

  31. 186

    Watching the Dinosaurs Die spews:

    I love the Ink Spots.

    Were Kodos and Kang supposed to be symbolic of the chickenhawks and Iraq, or the Federal Reserve (Greenspan and Bernanke) and the credit bubble, or both?

  32. 188

    For the Clueless spews:

    You do not post detailed classified plans for making the components of a nuke on the Internet!

    Yeah. WOS is really into that crap. The Preznit made sure the 101st fighting keyboarders and crazy Curt Weldon could fuel their fantasies with all that crap and in the process hand WMD howto over to anybody.

    Wingnuttia is the real deal mental disorder!

    WOS loves terror..

  33. 189

    Observer spews:

    The moonbats are getting edgy, I think they realize they are about to lose the only poll that counts.

  34. 190

    JCH [Visiting Pennsylvania] spews:

    GBS………..Very soon!!! Thank you John “Swift Boat” Kerry!!!!

  35. 191

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Klan Leader Dies In Prison

    Samuel Bowers, 82, convicted and sentenced to life in 1998 for the 1966 murder of civil rights activist Vernon Dahmer, has died in a Mississippi prison.

    http://tinyurl.com/yhcvyz

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Good riddance.

  36. 193

    Popeye spews:

    Just to let you know, I backtracked the ISPs used by some of the spammers above and filed abuse reports.

    The Haggard case has made me think about “values”. The special committee at his church did not fire him for using an extremely addictive brain damaging drug; but when they discovered that he probably got his cock sucked, they sacked him.

    Of course, these are folks who go around town squirting holy water from bug sprayers to keep the demons away…

  37. 194

    Daddy Love spews:

    SurveyUSA polls in Virginia shows Jim Webb with 52% of the likely voters, with 44% going to Macaca Allen.

    Count Virgina into the total, baby!

  38. 196

    John Barelli spews:

    “The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday. “Bush is bad” is good…but not enough to do a 1994-like turn.

    Too bad, if they could have gotten it together this year, it would have been easy.”

    Commentby Thomas Trainwinder— 11/6/06@ 9:01 am

    Oh, well. Since Mr. Trainwinder says that the Democrats can’t win this year, I guess it’s just a waste of my time to vote.

    I’ll just stay home and let the Republicans keep spending my Great-grandchildren’s credit, while getting my shipmates killed and alienating most of the world.

    I suppose that it’s a waste of time for me to get out and do my part to elect a House of Representatives that will actually look into the many ethical lapses of the Republicans. There’s just nothing I can do about removing the culture of corruption that has totally controlled Washington DC for the last six years.

    Mr. Trainwinder tells me that we can’t win, and that the Democrats basic idea that the first thing we have to do is stop heading in the wrong direction isn’t good enough. Oh, the heartbreak. I had hoped that we could re-take the House, but now that Mr. Trainwinder has told me that it’s a lost cause, I suppose that I’ll just stay home tomorrow and watch reruns of old “Matlock” episodes.

    Of course, since all of us Democrats are going to stay home and watch Matlock, there really isn’t any reason why Republicans should go out in the nasty weather and vote, either. I hear that it will be a really good Matlock episode. No need to head out there in the rain. Why don’t you just stay home?

    We’ll tell you how the election turns out.

  39. 197

    Mike McGavick? Eats Babies spews:

    I’ve been bar-b-queing and eating babies to relieve my pre-election anxiety. But it’s OK. They’re fully born babies so no murder is involved.

  40. 198

    David spews:

    @36 – I have often wondered whether neo-cons understand “reverse psychology” even as blatantly poor a representation of it as you quote in your post.

    Al-Queida and their ilk want people to vote Republican because they know the Republican party will follow orders and make a lot of money and arms flow into the terrorists coffers.

    But terrorists are stupid. They consider this press release to be “cutting edge” and think it will fool Americans into voting for Bush. They don’t realize that we as a nation have cut our teeth on the best that advertising has to offer and aren’t going to be fooled by some pathetic attempt to keep the republicans in control.

  41. 199

    stedman spews:

    Oprah told about a bazillion chicks to vote DEM. Who you think them chicks listen to? Rush Limbaugh or Oprah Winfrey-Stedman.

    Uh oh! Oprah spotted that “Winfrey-Stedman” comment and she’s headed my way with a skillet full of hot bacon fat!!!

  42. 200

    Daddy Love spews:

    Maybe it was naother thread that MWS W\was spamming with the same posts (minus the three-page WorldNetDaily scumfest).

    For all of you who said that the NYTimes was guilty of treason for exposing illegal administration activities:

    You do not post detailed classified plans for making the components of a nuke on the Internet! As if this needs any escalating qualifiers, you especially don’t post it in Arabic in the middle of a war against well-financed terrorists teeming with crazy, suicidal jihadists. We have no way of knowing how much this helped the bad guys, but that’s hardly the point. It does not matter how useful the information given away turns out to be. At the least, for those at fault it should mean being firedb> plus immediate revocation of any and all security clearances. If done knowingly for a seedy, ulterior motive against the stated consensus of seasoned national security professionals, it is a capital crime. You’re lucky if you get forty years in the federal pen for giving secrets to the enemy.

    Right?

  43. 203

    Daddy Love spews:

    70 TT

    I just wish there had been the equivalent of a “contract with America” that was meaningful.

    You’re not paying attention either in here or in the big world.

    The Democratic party has it’s Six Point Plan, which you somehow missed. Hard to say how, since the rolled it out in July 2006.

    And, of course, in every major paper in the country you COULD have read about Speaker=to-be Pelosi’s First 100 Hours agenda, but you didn’t.

    You see, “they don’t have a plan:” is the Republican way to keep you from realizing that “The Republican plan ISN’T WORKING.” Seems like they really “catapulted the propaganda” in your case.

    Six Point Plan:
    1. Honest Leadership & Open Government
    2. Real Security
    3. Energy Independence
    4. Economic Prosperity & Educational Excellence
    5. A Healthcare System that Works for Everyone
    6. Retirement Security

    First 100 hours agenda:
    Day One: Put new rules in place to “break the link between lobbyists and legislation.”

    Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

    Time remaining until 100 hours:
    – Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
    – Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds _ “I hope with a veto-proof majority,” she added in an Associated Press interview Thursday.

    All the days after that:
    “Pay as you go,” meaning no increasing the deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or some other priority.

  44. 204

    JCH [PA] spews:

    Dear Terrorist Moooooooooooooslims and illegal aliens, NO!! YOU MAY NOT VOTE!!!!! Border Patrol with big attack dogs and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll!!! In addition, Democrat blacks in Milwaukee who destroy Republican vans tonight will be arrested and will lose their “guvment” checks!!!!

  45. 205

    Daddy Love spews:

    72 JCH

    Coker wins in Tennessee? Oh, wow, what a blow to Democrats; we fail to capture one of the seven possible pickups. Is that what “victory” looks like to you pathetic losers now?

  46. 206

    Daddy Love spews:

    Pennsylvania: Casey (D) win
    Ohio: Brown (D) win
    Maryland: Cardin (D) win
    Rhode Island: Whitehouse (D) win
    Montana: Tester (D) win
    Virgnia: Webb (D) win
    Missouri: McCaskill (D) win

    And Connecticut? I think Lamont can do it, but it’s not a good bet.

  47. 207

    JCH [PA] spews:

    Illegal Democrat voting Mooooooooooooooooooooooslims who are not citizens will be deported back to Mooooooooooooooooooooooslimland!!!!

    Daddy Love, 25% of Democrat votes in NM [Baja Norte, MX] are ILLEGAL!!!!!! Hey Illegals!!!! Border Partrol and the MinuteMen are ready!!! We will deport you and your “anchor babies”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Open thread

I love Cliff Schecter.

Remember all those years when you’d watch some GOP SOB viciously shouting down some stiff, jaw-clenched Democrat who would just politely bend over and take it? Well no more. This is how the game is played, and unless everybody gets together and agrees to change the rules, this is how we’re going to play it.

Comments

  1. 208

    sgmmac spews:

    Skagit,

    You arn’t paying any taxes for education in this state. Wrong estate tax.

    Roger,

    My point is – it’s ridiculous to rely on a tax that relies on someone from a certain class dying. If I believe the ads – we are relying on less than 1% of the population in Washington state to die………

    How about a state income tax – so skagit can pay big bucks! Better yet, why not make the income tax progressive so that Bill Gates and Paul Allen can start paying for education NOW!

  2. 209

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    42 (continued)

    Why the fuck should I argue your side of the argument? Are you too stupid or lazy to do it yourself? I’m not your fucking secretary.

  3. 210

    Another TJ spews:

    “Truth2006″, could please summarize the New Hampshire phone jamming scandal? Thanks so much.

  4. 211

    coiler spews:

    One only has to read the words on the John Rogers Memorial in Olympia to hear what the 3rd Gov of Washington was talking about:

    “I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves.”

  5. 212

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    Ted Haggard – Fucking Liar. Another Dumb ASS Mother Fucking REPUBLICAN. I think this speaks for itself. Now just substitute Geroge Bush for Ted Haggard. Have no shame. Go Christian Coalition! HAIL HITLER!

  6. 213

    MightyRighty spews:

    Schecter is a LIAR. Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.

    At any rate, Republicans will retain control of congress. No way will Democrats get both houses of congress. So live it up in your fantasy land liberals. Realisty strikes on Tuesday!

    Here are some sample conspiracy theories for you to rehearse for Tuesday:

    Diebold machines

    Voter suppression in Ohio (oops, better not mention that tired point as the MSM did report on Democrats trading crack cocaine for fraudulent voter registrations there).

    Chimp, chimp, chimpy McChimp.

    I am sure you all can think of more. You’ll have plenty of time here a the asylum to work on it over the next 4 years though. Enjoy!

  7. 215

    skagit spews:

    Well let’s all vote with the newspapers endorsements Skagit…

    I read the Time,and you all had a cow for their opinion, so I guess you are voting for Mike and Dave……

    Commentby Kiroking— 11/5/06@ 4:48 pm

    That’s why I said most. Blethen didn’t . . . but my post with “most” is more accurate than yours. Name another. . .

  8. 216

    skagit spews:

    “I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves.”

    Commentby coiler— 11/5/06@ 4:49 pm

    And if they couldn’t, they’ve got the stupid poor to do it for them.

  9. 218

    skagit spews:

    I was talking to one of my classroom parents the other day and we discussing the poor state of education today, esp. among the lower class and even lower middle class. He suggested that it was public policy to keep people stupid . . . might be something to that.

  10. 219

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    20

    It makes me want to say to hell with it. Commentby FaithfulDemocrat— 11/5/06@ 1:18 pm

    Maybe you should go back and review Coulter’s remarks about wanting to kill liberals and Democrats. You’re under attack, my friend. Newt Gingrich told these guys to wage “civil war” against us, and that’s exactly what they’re doing. Would you rather get shot in the front advancing toward the enemy or shot in the back running from the enemy? If you’re a Democrat, you have no other choices at this point.

  11. 221

    sgmmac spews:

    Gidget,

    Those who are for consumption taxes are those who know that they don’t consume very much!

    The rich multi-millionaires love consumption taxes, because they pay very little as a percentage of their income.

    But you, Gidget, can keep paying 17% of your income so that Bill Gates can pay less than 1/100th of his income!

  12. 222

    sgmmac spews:

    Roger,

    I wasn’t arguing that they shouldn’t pay the majority of taxes. Just trying to get a point across to the bone-headed school teacher…………..

  13. 223

    harry poon spews:

    What can we do to further punish Joe Lieberman? When he retires I want him to be a sad and broken man.

  14. 224

    Another TJ spews:

    I read newspapers everyday. As a matter of fact, I consume them!

    Well, they are high in fiber.

  15. 225

    skagit spews:

    Our state constitution requires adequate funding for education from the STATE. Why can’t they find a STABLE income source? SMEG

    YOU are the STATE you fool. You are the stable income source. I guess you like it that way. Or have you got a better tax in mind? If you do, put it out there. I might have some glimmer of respect for you if you can find a solution instead of being part of the ignorant problem.

  16. 226

    Another TJ spews:

    Damn you for telling me to watch that and not warning me about the involvement of Rita Cosby.

  17. 227

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Actually, I couldn’t find a single wingnut letter in today’s on-line edition of The Columbian. But kudos to Eric C. Jensen of Vancouver for taking on one of that newspaper’s irrational, wingnutty, far right letter writers:

    “Regarding Don Jennings’ Oct. 30 letter, ‘Keep GOP in control,’ the most recent surge of violence in Iraq is related to the holy month of Ramadan, not the attempt by insurgents to get Democrats elected to replace Republicans. … Please stop getting opinions from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the other talking-points locksteppers. Use the lessons of history to formulate your arguments.”

    And to Dave Vallely of Vancouver:

    “The terrorists in their wildest dreams never imagined doing as much damage to America as this Republican administration has done. … The Republicans have trashed the U.S. Constitution …. Why are Republicans attacking and trashing gold-star mothers, retired generals, veteran U.S. senators and anyone who questions their failures? Because all they have is fear-mongering and hate. … Democracy: use it or lose it. Get informed, get involved and vote ….”

    http://tinyurl.com/y5e2ec

    Thank God not everyone in Clark County is flaming nuts! And thanks, guys, for standing up to the wingnut bullies — that’s what it’s going to take to save our country from fascism.

  18. 228

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    46

    “Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein’s acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. …

    “All of the quotes listed above are substantially correct reproductions of statements made by various Democratic leaders regarding … Saddam Hussein’s … weapons of mass destruction.

    “However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S.

    “Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in ‘degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein’s ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.'”

    Snopes.com then discusses at great length the context of the quotes. http://tinyurl.com/3btfn

  19. 229

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    This sort of cherry-picking produces results like this:

    Original (hypothetical) quote:

    “Roger Rabbit is a liberal freak. He shouldn’t call me a wingnut traitor. I’m a nice guy.”

    After Roger Rabbit’s editing:

    “Roger Rabbit is a … nice guy.”

    See what I mean? I can play this selective-quotes game too! Why shouldn’t I? You guys do it. Why should you have a fucking monopoly on selective quoting? Republicans want a monopoly on every fucking thing!

  20. 230

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Man this guy is great. We need MUCH MUCH MUCH more of this to beat these traitors.

  21. 233

    FaithfulDemocrat spews:

    Righty, I think we will do better than that. But I must say that I don’t think this fellow did our side any good by his foul mouthed invectives. I am not excusing the GOP guy, but we are supposed to show we are above that.

    We don’t need filthy language to win elections. That fellow was shameful. At the end of the day, all that shouting down does is turn off voters.

    It makes me want to say to hell with it.

  22. 234

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    22

    So please don’t stop…. Commentby Kiroking— 11/5/06@ 1:33 pm

    You first. Your side started it. We’ll stop when you stop.

  23. 236

    For the Clueless spews:

    That Blakeman is a classic wingnut GOP shill. All the corruption and failure of GOP just seems to be no big deal – he just shrugs and says it’s all “untrue”.

    The only way to deal with people like this is to defeat them utterly – vote them out and keep them out for a generation.

    But it won’t happen until people give a damn.

  24. 237

    So Cal Dem spews:

    Absolutely Awesome! I have found Cliff to be a bit ‘inappropriate’ – like with a woman named Mary Katherine-somebody he debated on CNN a couple of weeks ago but, matched with an A–hole like this Brad, he was perfect.

  25. 238

    For the Clueless spews:

    114 – Sheer propaganda. Rich people earn loads of income they don’t have to sweat for – there is no reason this income shouldn’t be taxed at a higher rate to level the playing field for all citizens. You wingnuts may have a point when you complain your taxes are too high on money you have to earn but never sabotage the future of your kids by being complicit in passing on government debt to them.

  26. 240

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The Vancouver Columbian reported today,

    “An oversight by an employee in the U.S. Postal Service’s Portland office led to delayed delivery of several thousand Clark County ballots, mostly to Ridgefield-area voters. Auditor Greg Kimsey said they finally were delivered five or six days later than should have been the case, but still well ahead of Nov. 7.” http://tinyurl.com/ydwoaw

    Watch the wingnuts spin that into,

    “King County disenfranchised military voters again!”

  27. 241

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The inheritance tax repeal is a scam, of course. The $184 million of education needs it de-funds won’t go away. All this initiative does is transfer taxes from the very wealthy to people of ordinary means.

  28. 243

    My Left Foot spews:

    9

    The Opinion referenced in the post concerns IRAQ and GWB, it has nothing to do with sports.

  29. 244

    skagit spews:

    Yeah, and they won those major wars in less time than it takes this guy to develop a plan.

  30. 246

    harry poon spews:

    If we win big we’ve still got to keep the pressure on these goddamn politicians or they’ll backslide into the comfort of selling out to the big corporations. Muckraking seems to work the best.

    The value of humiliating a sellout and at the same time retrieving any of their ill gotten gains is the way to go.

    It was Harry Truman who said that any politician who went into politics without money and came out rich is a dishonest politician.

    We gotta keep an eye on these toads and hopefully keep the “bully pulpit” of free speech via the internet.

  31. 247

    Another TJ spews:

    Commentby FaithfulDemocrat

    I agree. If only all Democrats were like Joe Lieberman! When Joe called Lamont a jerk, that was classy. And when Joe’s supporters blocked Lamont from speaking at a senior center, that made me want to run out and vote immediately. And when Joe changes his positions to match whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear, my faith in democracy is reestablished.

  32. 248

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    GREGOIRE PROPOSES $315,000,000 TAX CUT

    08:25 AM PST on Friday, November 3, 2006
    Associated Press

    OLYMPIA, Wash. – Washington businesses and workers would save an estimated $315 million under a proposed six-month suspension of some of the payments they make for workers’ compensation insurance. … The fund would still have enough money to pay benefits for injured workers. … State officials say the payments can be suspended because of a large budget surplus.

    http://tinyurl.com/vh7n2

  33. 249

    skagit spews:

    You know, Rabbit, she’s already voted to repeal. She better not sleep tonight . . . cause she deserves to lay awake wondering how much more she’s going to have to cough up to make up the difference. While all her “poor” rich inheritors are vacationiing in the Caribbean and laughing over their gin and tonics.

    I watched the PI editorial board question the son of a commercial property owner in Belleve and a spokesperson for the other side. His name was Aaron I think. Anyway Aaron talked about how hard his parents worked to achieve their wealth . . . of course, mom was a real estate agent (talk about having inside information) and that he had to ride his bike three miles to weed the property when he was a kid. Of course, he didn’t mention that Bellevue grew up around the property which added to the value . . . nor that owning real estate is hardly a labor intensive way to acquire wealth.

    Smeg would get it but the PI board did. If you read their editorial, they come down on the side that us real people pay the majority of taxes and decided we don’t need to pay more just to give the rich a break.

    So much for your “facts” Smeg. Like I said, read a damned newspaper once in a while.

  34. 250

    Another TJ spews:

    Schecter is a LIAR. Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.

    And Cliff didn’t say he wasn’t. He said Bush didn’t respond to the Cole attack. Bush was president when the intelligence agencies confirmed who was behind the Cole attack. So, thanks for highlighting another Bush screwup.

  35. 252

    skagit spews:

    Anybody who’s leaving – which is just another piece bs from Smet – has my blessings because not only will they still have to pay the estate tax, but they’ll have the fun of paying moving vans and arriving with broken furniture and dishes.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of suckers.

  36. 253

    skagit spews:

    All sources to these quotes can be found .

    Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:03 pm

    Your quotes mean nothing to me. They can’t bring back the lives spent on this charade. Clinton never did my thinking for me. Just because you let others do your thinking for you . . . don’t ass-u-me we are all lazy bastards who buy the line. I listened to the people who were there . . . not the politicians. You’re ignorant if you get all your information from politicians and bureaucrats. So typically Rethuglican.

    @24

    Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from?

    Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:25 pm

    You continue to show you ignorance Smeg. The money will come from those of us in the middle who are already paying 17% of our incomes on taxes . . . while the rich are paying in aggregate about 4%. What an insipid and uninformed voter you are. You will trade your grandchildren’s education for more taxes on their parents.

  37. 254

    FaithfulDemocratJoeDemocrat spews:

    I certainly hope that after the Democrat party is dealt defeat in their attempt to take over the congress that they finally overthrow the leftist hate American scum that has taken over the party and return to it roots as a centrist party.

  38. 255

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    18 (continued)

    The USS Cole was attacked on October 18, 2000 — about 3 months before Clinton left office. It was not immediately known who was behind the attack. How the hell do you retaliate when you don’t even know who did it? By January 20, 2001 — 5 days after Bush’s inauguration — the CIA and FBI were pointing the finger at Al Qaeda.

    Bush’s national security advice, Condi Rice, tells us Bush — not Clinton — decided against a military retaliation against Al Qaeda for the Cole bombing (one supposes it would be similar to Clinton’s cruise missile attacks on Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan) because he didn’t want to attack A.Q. piecemeal, he wanted to eliminate it. So Bush, according to Wikipedia (which footnotes to the official 9/11 Commission report), “began work on a new strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda” — and did nothing to A.Q. until after 9/11.

    What Wikipedia doesn’t mention is the Clinton administration warned incoming Bush officials that Al Qaeda was the most serious threat the U.S. faced; that the Clinton administration developed a comprehensive plan to fight terrorism and gave it to the Bush administration; and that the Bush administration shelved it and did absolutely nothing until 9/11 shook the Bushies out of their lethargy. They were busy. Bush was busy taking vacations in Texas (42% of his first 9 months in office), and Republicans were busy passing tax cuts for millionaires.

    Spin, spin, spin. The Cole was one of the first balls that Bush dropped. It would not be the last, only a harbinger of the incompetence, lethargy, and negligence to come.

  39. 256

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    No negotiations with these bastards, Goldy! We’ll never return to “business as usual” with Republicans. Nothing less than unconditional surrender and Nuremberg-style trials. Let’s bomb them into submission!

  40. 257

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    68

    “Democrats do not have nothing but utter contempt for our troops is and obviously a lie.” Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:40 pm

    Let’s review. Democrats fought in all our wars. Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats. 9 of the 10 Iraq war veterans who ran for Congress this year are Democrats. Kerry served two tours in Vietnam, pulled dangerous duty on river patrol boats, was wounded and decorated. Bush was a draft dodger who used family pull to jump the line into a National Guard outfit so he wouldn’t go to Vietnam, then went AWOL from the Guard. Cher, a Hollywood liberal of the type people like you despise, personally donated $150,000 to Operation Helmet and raised public donations to buy battle helmets for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan they can’t wring out of Bush’s Pentagon.

    P.S. — I gave $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ but you haven’t ponied up squat! Until you walk the talk, you’re a fake patriot and a lying POS.

  41. 258

    K-Town spews:

    Isn’t it funny that the word “testosterone” keep running in the crawler for a segment hosted by Rita Cosby?

  42. 259

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The righties probably will spin it as a Democratic attempt to reduce the amount of money refunded to employers to cut into BIAW’s L & I refund skimming racket.

  43. 261

    George Johnston spews:

    Apparently no HTML is allowed. Or Clownstein is censoring again.
    Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:05 pm

    If David was able to run a website that forbade HTML then I think we have a story bigger than the immaculate conception!

  44. 263

    sgmmac spews:

    I like your idea Roger, are you running for office? I’ll vote for you…………..

    As for the gas……… oh my. We will buy gas! There’s a news story out about the gas tax not being able to fund all of the projects these next two years…….

    Skagit – You’ve been drinking or smoking too much dope!

  45. 264

    My Left Foot spews:

    Cliff is my hero. Right up there with Keith Olbermann and, oddly enough, Mike Lupica, the esteemed and extremely liberal, sportswriter at the NY Daily News. Today he had the following FRONT PAGE OPINION in the NY Daily News. Take a moment and read it.

    We are not going to take it anymore. We are taking our damn country back.

  46. 265

    Truth2006 spews:

    81,

    “How about we just tax all lawyers named after cartoon characters. Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm

    How about if you pay the same taxes I do for starters. “

    How much do you pay in taxes vs how much you make. I seem to recall some baosting on your part about huge stock gains. And hell you are a lawyer, so that means you did something nasty to get your ill gotten gain. Or did you lie when you claimed you were a lawyer?

  47. 266

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    2,006 Lies — Trying to change the subject after getting your ass kicked @ 54 & 80?

  48. 267

    sgmmac spews:

    Our state constitution requires adequate funding for education from the STATE. Why can’t they find a STABLE income source?

  49. 268

    harry poon spews:

    I was watching Elizabeth Dole on Meet the Press today and I sympathize with Bob and his need for Viagra. Doesn’t that irritating bitch ever shut her yap?

  50. 269

    Another TJ spews:

    What can we do to further punish Joe Lieberman? When he retires I want him to be a sad and broken man.

    I think ending up in hell will be bad enough for the creepy thug.

    (the video clip is terrific)

  51. 272

    Kiroking spews:

    Well let’s all vote with the newspapers endorsements Skagit…

    I read the Time,and you all had a cow for their opinion, so I guess you are voting for Mike and Dave……

  52. 273

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    57

    Glad to see you finally figured out how to use your own fucking computer! I don’t have time to be your secretary. Since you’re criticizing ME for not quoting Wikipedia in entirety, I’m sure you won’t mind if I criticize YOU for selectively quoting from Wikipedia. Here’s the whole thing:

    “etty Officer John Washak said that right after the blast, a senior chief petty officer ordered him to turn an M-60 machine gun on the Cole’s fantail away from a second small boat approaching. ‘With blood still on my face,’ he said, he was told: ‘That’s the rules of engagement: no shooting unless we’re shot at.’ He added, ‘In the military, it’s like we’re trained to hesitate now. If somebody had seen something wrong and shot, he probably would have been court-martialed.’ Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft ‘we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.'”

    So why couldn’t they shoot? Because of the Rules of Engagement. Now let’s ask, where do the ROE come from? Good question. Here’s the answer:

    “The US Department of Defense officially defines ROE as: ‘Directives issued by competent military authority which delineate the circumstances and limitations under which United States forces will initiate and/or continue combat engagement with other forces encountered.'”

    Aha! Clinton didn’t make the ROE! “Competent military authority” did. So why even have ROE? For the same reason we don’t let cops blow away anybody they want whenever they feel like it. To protect innocent people.

    I suppose some wingnut ignoramus who made a point of not reading up on the subject could attempt to paint ROE as a black-and-white, you’re-for-America-or-against-America issue. He’d be blowing shit out of his ass:

    “The ROE are extremely important: They provide a consistent, understandable and repeatable standard on how forces act. Typically they are carefully thought out in detail well in advance of an engagement and may cover a number of scenarios, with different rules for each. They assist in the synchronization of political-diplomatic and military components of a strategy by allowing political commanders to better understand, forecast and tailor the actions of a force.
    The first rule of engagement for United States military forces is always the right to use force in self-defense.

    “In any engagement, the ROE need to balance two competing goals: The need to use force effectively to accomplish the mission objectives and the need to avoid unnecessary force. This creates room for two types of error:

    “Excessively tight ROE can constrain a commander from performing his mission effectively, called a Type I error. It is typical for the political leadership to constrain the actions of military commanders. This is often a source of tension between the political leaders, who are trying to accomplish a political or diplomatic objective, and the military commanders, who are trying make the most effective use of their forces. Sagan [2] provides an excellent discussion of this topic. The UN Peacekeeper’s ROE (see UNAMIR) during the Rwandan Genocide is a tragic example of too restrictive ROE.

    “Excessively loose ROE can facilitate the escalation of a conflict which, while being tactically effective, negates the political objectives that the use of force was meant to achieve. This is a Type II or ‘escalatory’ error and an example of it may be the killing of Jean de Menezes on July 22, 2005.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement

    You see? It’s complicated! And wingnuts don’t understand complicated stuff, e.g. how to spell “to.”

    Jean de Menezes, in case you don’t remember, was the innocent Brazilian that idiotic British bobbies pumped full of lead in a case of mistaken identity. The same kind of fuck-up that our government makes with depressing regularity in our officially sanctioned torture chambers. But the fact the majority of people our government has tortured were completely-fucking-innocent and were tortured because our government is completely-fucking-incompetent is too complicated for wingnuts to understand, too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.....de_Menezes

  53. 275

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    64

    “a tax that relies on someone from a certain class dying”

    Well if you believe taxes are based on class, then the estate tax is no worse than taxing soda pop, which is a tax on people who can’t afford Chivas Regal.

  54. 276

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Despite income taxes, estate taxes, and all the other abuse that society heaps on wealthy cheap labor conservatives, they still manage to …

    not work
    own the biggest houses
    drive the most expensive cars
    have fancy yachts
    drink the best booze
    belong to country clubs
    send their kids to private schools and colleges
    avoid military service
    boss everyone else around
    get waited on hand and foot

    Personally, I could live with that! Sure doesn’t look to me like they’re being killed by income taxes, capital gains taxes, or estate taxes. They’re especially not being killed by taxes they don’t pay, which is most taxes, most of the time. In addition to all of the special privileges and perks listed above, they also have accountants and lawyers who are good at reducing their tax burden. They avoid a lot more taxes than wage earners do! And they get all sorts of neat exemptions, allowances, credits, and deductions the rest of us don’t get.

  55. 277

    skagit spews:

    BTW, Smeg, why have almost all the papers come out against it? Do you even read the papers . . . or look at information sites besides this one? Or are you one of those propagandized blowhards who hasn’t got a clue?

  56. 278

    Truth2006 spews:

    This quote says so much more about the Military under Democrats than anything else:

    From one of the sailors on the USS Cole at the time of the attack:

    “Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft “we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.””

    Hopefully the link will come through if Clownstein isn;t censoring again:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

  57. 280

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Ted Haggard Admits Sexual Misconduct, Lying

    “Ousted Evangelist Confesses to Followers
    “By COLLEEN SLEVIN, AP

    “COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Nov. 5) – Saying he was a ‘deceiver and liar’ who had given into his dark side, the Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to sexual immorality Sunday in a letter read from the pulpit of the megachurch he founded.”

    For complete story and/or (c) info see http://tinyurl.com/yz22ts

  58. 281

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In case anybody missed it, this item is worth reposting:

    Editorial

    The Great Divider
    Published: November 2, 2006

    As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

    Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response.

    Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

    It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

    But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

    This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

    http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

    (Quoted under Fair Use)

  59. 282

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Has anyone besides me noticed a rash of wingnuts pretending to be Democrats lately? The GOP is so bad even the wingnuts don’t want to be called “Republicans” anymore. They’re like John Gacy pretending to be a clown.

  60. 283

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    48

    Apparently no HTML is allowed. Or Clownstein is censoring again.
    Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:05 pm

    Or you don’t know how to use a computer.

  61. 284

    skagit spews:

    But most of all, don’t whine that you are a poor washington teacher(you knew how much you would make when you took the job),

    Where did I whine about my paycheck? I think you could use some remedial reading . . . I’m available if you can afford me.

  62. 285

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Let’s clarify a couple things.

    First, I’m not a “cartoon character,” I’m a real live rabbit living in a hole in a public park. Does this look like a fucking cartoon? http://tinyurl.com/yhmz5h

    Second, there is no connection between my name and any other rabbit, real or imaginary, named “Roger.” My daddy was a rabbit. My mommy named my “Roger.” It’s a common Christian name. Ergo, “Roger Rabbit.” I mean, you didn’t expect them to name me “Roger Mule” or “Roger Centipede” or “Roger Eagle” when I’m a fucking rabbit, did you?

    Third, I have no affiliation, connection, or association with the inventors, producers, etc. of any comic, book, film, or literary work about some other “Roger Rabbit.” Until they give me a share of the profits, I have nothing to do with it.

    Fourth, “Roger” and “Rabbit” are both common English words and therefore not copyrightable. Calling myself “Roger Rabbit” is the same thing as John Smith calling himself “John Smith.” The fact that some other John Smith is in jail is no reason for challenging his voter registration, and anybody who tries it ought to be in jail, too.

    Fifth, “Roger Rabbit” is alliterative. This is a big word, in fact it’s a huge word, so you’ll probably need to look it up in a dictionary. I’m sure you don’t have one in your trailer, so you’ll need to go to a public library, I’m sure there’s one in your community where wingnuts haven’t burned all the books yet. Try rolling it off your tongue … “R-r-r-o-g-g-g-e-r-r-r-r R-r-r-r-a-b-b-i-t-t … see what I mean? Alliterative. That’s why I like it.

    Sixth, I didn’t read the book or see the movie either, so I have no fucking idea what they’re about, so I couldn’t possibly have adopted the persona of a cartoon character. The Roger Rabbit of HorsesAss.org together with all of my persona, thoughts, adventures, and opinions is solely a creative of my own furry paws pounding on my own fucking keyboard.

    Seventh, if you don’t like it, take a deep breath and bend over as far as you can and suck a fart out of your ass. Be sure to swallow when you’re done.

  63. 286

    skagit spews:

    Lizzy Dole, ex beauty queen . . . with the intelligence to screw up the Red Cross? What a catch!

  64. 287

    skagit spews:

    But you, Gidget, can keep paying 17% of your income so that Bill Gates can pay less than 1/100th of his income!

    Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 5:10 pm

    Well, I guess I made my point. Does this mean you finally get it? Or are you still confused?

  65. 288

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    90

    “the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country”

    Why shouldn’t they? They have the majority of the income and property in this country.

  66. 289

    Kevin Judge spews:

    Schecter opened a nice can of whupass on that guy. There are so many facts to sling at these crooks that it is hard to do it effectively and breathe too. Cliff is a model for how to play this bullshit “he said she said” game. And oh, didn’t Rita try her damndest to prop up the Bushies on the Saddam verdict? Just like her Ken Mehlman talking points told her to.

    Roll on Tuesday.

  67. 290

    sgmmac spews:

    Skagit,

    The state provides money for education, the feds provide money for education, and the counties provide money for education and the little taxpayers who own homes pay property taxes which a portion of fund schools in their district. If you live in a distict like mine, you may have also voted for a special levy for schools. I voted for one last election to build new schools and/or renovate old schools. It’s the first “tax” that I ever voted in favor of…………..

  68. 291

    Kiroking spews:

    “I love Cliff Schecter.”

    Goldy,

    I can see the reason for your affection of schecter after listening to the guy. Are you moonlighting as a scriptwriter for Schecter? You both think alike.

    “Well no more. This is how the game is played, and unless everybody gets together and agrees to change the rules, this is how we’re going to play it.”

    Continue on, the REAL american people will tire of the language and ugliness real fast…. So please don’t stop….

  69. 292

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    IT’S THAT “LIBERAL MEDIA” AGAIN!!!

    Hmmmm … the Vancouver Columbian isn’t exactly a bastion of lefty thinking, especially on its editorial pages. In particular, that newspaper prints copious quantities of irrational, wingnutty, far right “letters to the editor.” Maybe they just grow ‘em crazy down there in Clark County. Anyway, their editorial staff apparently has at least one voice of reason:

    ‘Death tax’ might be on its death bed

    Sunday, November 5, 2006
    JOHN LAIRD Columbian editorial page editor

    Two weeks ago I boldly suggested that increasing the investment in public education might increase the dividends. Such a bizarre theory, as expected, had the anti-tax crusaders contorting like bacon on a griddle. Many unleashed their hackneyed lament about “just throwin’ money at the problem!”

    Cheer up, tightwads! I bring good tidings. I predict Initiative 920 will pass next Tuesday, and our state estate tax will be repealed. Oh, but the news gets even better: When the “death tax” dies, that means $184 million will be taken from public education. And that comes on the heels of last week’s lawsuit filed by a dozen school districts, claiming that the state is spending $130 million short of what’s needed for special education.

    So, instead of just throwin’ money at the problem, in these two cases we can actually deny public education a combined $314 million! All together now: Cell-uh-brate! Good times! Come on!

    Flash back to 1944, when Congress decided to just throw money at a public need, mostly in public education. In the ensuing eight years, an astounding $14 billion was thrown by the government. Whitey Ford never threw so much. The commitment continues today. We just keep throwin’ money too many billions to accurately measure by now.

    The original intent was to help victorious American soldiers of World War II resume their regular lives. The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944 became better known as the GI Bill.

    Writing for the Los Angeles Times (his column appeared in The Columbian last Tuesday), author Edward Humes noted that the GI Bill “transformed the nation and the very nature of the American dream, opening up the colleges, raising suburbs out of bean fields, creating a new middle class and providing the medical, engineering and scientific prowess that conquered long-feared diseases, ushered in the Information Age and helped win the Cold War.” Bob Dole called the GI Bill the “biggest piece of legislation the country ever passed.”

    GI Bill money has been thrown at 20 million veterans and dependents, people who went on to become three presidents (George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter), 14 Nobel Prize winners, doctors, nurses, teachers and tycoons.

    But what’s in it for the taxpayers?

    Anti-tax crusaders will snarl: So what? Just more government hand-outs, right? Perhaps, but a congressional study in 1988 revealed that the GI Bill has returned almost $7 for every dollar the public has invested. That dividend is measured in increased consumer spending and increased taxes paid by people who would not have gone to college without the GI Bill. Even as America’s gesture of gratitude to veterans has become a six-decade investment with a return of almost 7-to-1, surely there were those back in 1944 who complained about “throwin’ money at the problem.”

    Fast-forward now to 2006 and the pending death-tax funeral. The Colum-bian endorsed I-920, and I predict most voters will agree. But a few of us voted against I-920 for one simple reason: We believe recipients of unearned income should be taxed the same as recipients of hard-earned income. The death tax’s postmortem will show two things:

    * That $184 million tab won’t go away. Ultimately it will be paid by you and me, recipients of our own hard-earned income, mostly middle-class folks.

    * Recipients of unearned income a few hundred multimillionaire heirs will hoist crystal goblets to toast I-920. Fat cats will get to buy bigger yachts.

    Until then, while many angry people excoriate public investments, consider a few common personal investments:

    Have you ever paid a dollar for a 20-ounce bottle of water? That’s $6.40 a gallon for the most plentiful liquid on Earth, stuff you can walk into any public building and drink for free.

    Ever paid 75 cents for air for your tires? Or 45 cents extra just to use a debit card at a gas pump?

    Finally, were you one of those giddy “investors” who poured $458 million last year into our state lottery ($73 per state resident)? Oh, but that was voluntary, you insist? Yes, but I would argue that supporting public education and investing in milestone measures such as the GI Bill likely will pay a bigger dividend than scratching frantically in some parking lot on a piece of cardboard.

    http://tinyurl.com/y2cphn

    (Quoted under Fair Use)

  70. 293

    Truth2006 spews:

    @80,

    “Let’s review. Democrats fought in all our wars. Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats. 9 of the 10 Iraq war veterans who ran for Congress this year are Democrats. Kerry served two tours in Vietnam, pulled dangerous duty on river patrol boats, was wounded and decorated. Bush was a draft dodger who used family pull to jump the line into a National Guard outfit so he wouldn’t go to Vietnam, then went AWOL from the Guard. Cher, a Hollywood liberal of the type people like you despise, personally donated $150,000 to Operation Helmet and raised public donations to buy battle helmets for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan they can’t wring out of Bush’s Pentagon.

    P.S. – I gave $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ but you haven’t ponied up squat! Until you walk the talk, you’re a fake patriot and a lying POS. “

    Once again you lie like a typical liberal.

    First of all let’s start with this lie:

    “Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats.” – lying Rabbit

    US House of Representatives:

    Reps with military service: 24.2%

    Breakdown by party:

    Republicans with military service: 15.2%
    Democrats with military service: 9%
    Independants with military service: 0%

    Senators with military service: 30%

    Republicans with military service: 17%
    Democrats with military service: 12%

    http://www.whoserved.com/

    Now, let’s look at presidents:

    Of the last four presidents, only the Republicans have served in teh military.

    George W Bush
    Military Service: Texas Air National Guard 1968 – 1973

    Bill Clinton – NONE. Protested his country during Vietnam war on foreign soil.

    George H W Bush

    Military Service: Navy 1943 – 1945
    Combat Service: World War II

    * Was the youngest Naval Aviator at the time at age 18
    * Flew combat missions in the Pacific during World War II
    * Awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal (x3) and the Presidential Unit Citation

    Ronald Reagan

    Military Service: Army Reserve 1935 – 1941
    Air Force 1941 – 1945

    * Initially commissioned as a reserve cavalry officer in the Army in 1935
    * Assigned to the First Motion Picture Unit in the United States Army Air Force after the attack on Pearl Harbor in which he made training and education films

    So you gave $99 for helmet pads. And like John Kerry trying to pass himself off as a patriot, you never miss an opportunity to mention it either. Well asshole lawyer, I gave $500 to operation support the troops. http://www.operation-support-our-troops.org/ And that is probably one hell of a bigger percentage of my income than what $99 represents to to you asshole.

    Perhaps if you liberal scum blocking supplies at the port then maybe they’d get to our troops.

    But as we learned recently, you liberals think the troops are all uneducated and dumb and that is how they ended up in Iraq.

  71. 295

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    The question is…

    When we defeat the cowardly traitors on the right who’ve tried to give the terrorists a win by destroying our Constitution, will the inbred right wing republicans be:

    1) Going to Lush Flimbaugh for some Viagra

    so they can

    2) Spend money visiting Pastor Ted’s gay prostitute?

    HE HE! You righties are about to see what being asswhipped is all about. I can’t wait to see how many of you have turned tail and run on Wed. We’ll be here Wed to rub it in your cowardly chests.

    I can’t wait to spit on you child raping assholes!!!!!!!!

  72. 296

    sgmmac spews:

    @24

    Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from?

  73. 298

    skagit spews:

    And, SMEG, the feds do not pay for education. They do fund some programs . . . like title 1 and nclb (which is underfunded). Tuition costs are the highest in history. And high middle and upper class families are fleeing to private schools that cost thousands more a year than the public schools get.

    God save this society from people who get all their information from lying political ads.

  74. 299

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And now … let’s check the local fish wrapper whose owner tirelessly laments that $900 million mom-and-pops like him are being driven out of business by evil conglomerates.

    In a story on the 8th CD race:

    “Voters frustrated by Republicans also were skeptical that Democrats could do better. And those who have soured on the GOP’s party loyalty thought the Democrats would be just as partisan.” http://tinyurl.com/yfqx6x

    That’s liberal-biased reporting for ya. Next …

    “The seemingly endless 2006 election season wraps up Tuesday …. Here is a handy clip-and-save list of Seattle Times endorsements and recommendations in key races:

    “Republican Mike McGavick … has the potential to be an innovative and influential senator for our state. …

    “In the 5th District, Republican incumbent Cathy McMorris is picked. Her knowledge of the issues has improved dramatically in her first term.

    “Our 8th District endorsement goes to Republican incumbent Dave Reichert …. Democratic opponent Darcy Burner has too thin a résumé to replace him.

    “Initiative 920 … the state estate tax … hurts family businesses and raises a marginal amount of money for state government. …”

    You get the idea — more liberal crapola. Next …

    “Kerry was certainly not a scholar in college, so his draft-avoidance objective … is probably the reason he enlisted in the Navy.” — Gary Kennedy, a proud member of the USMC and graduate from UW with higher grades than John Kerry, Des Moines

    Roger Rabbit Comment — See what I mean about irrational, wingnutty, far right letter writers? Guess today is the Seattle Fish Wrapper’s day to get ‘em, because there’s more:

    “Kerry went to college, got a push-button degree, and went to Vietnam (as an officer) to film his heroics. Pathetic.” — Kurt Mahugh, Woodinville

    But thank God not all of the Fish Wrapper’s letter writers are nuts:

    “Yes, the Democrats believe in bringing our troops home — alive …” — Dan Slaby, Auburn

    “The Times has admonished Sen. John Kerry for his late apology for an obviously botched joke about Mr. Bush …. The president has never apologized for a botched war … for providing our troops with inadequate body armor … for dividing this nation … for turning us into the world’s pariah. And while we are at it, the Republican leadership has not apologized for not holding this administration accountable for its incompetence.” — Peter Moore, Seattle

    Thanks, guys, for standing up to the rightwing bullies and nuts! You’re real Americans. As opposed to the fake, swaggering, smug, know-it-all, flag-waving kind.

    http://tinyurl.com/yacw3m

  75. 302

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Comment 34 is hereby retracted. “Faithful Democrat” isn’t a Democrat, he’s a wingnut liar.

  76. 303

    skagit spews:

    Skagit – You’ve been drinking or smoking too much dope!

    Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm

    Your only response to papers endorsing “no” on the proposition; to the point about keeping the money in this Washingtin rather than the other Washington; to the 17% vs. 4% taxes the middle class to wealthy is dope?

    Who’s the one operating without a battery here? Not me.

  77. 304

    Truth2006 spews:

    @76,

    Who the hell sent the USS Cole to Yemen in the first place? BLow Job CLinton, that’s who. He sent them there as som sort of appeasement to muslims. If he hadn’t been so damned politically correct and sent that ship there in the first place, the whole thing wouldn’t have happened. And given that Clinton’s ambassador to Yemen, Barbara Bodine, was bedning over backwards to ensure that there was no offense to any muslim in Yemen, it would not be a big surprise to learn Clinton influenced the ROE.

    Or haven’t you heard, the President of the United State is the Command in Chief of the military.

  78. 305

    JCH [Visiting Pennsylvania] spews:

    Dear ACORN Democrat cheaters, Democrat Mexican Illegals, New York City Jews who “double” vote Democrat in NYC and Palm Beach, and Democrat Blacks who get bussed to several polls in Milwaukee, Border Patrol with attack dogs, and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll to arrest and deport you on Tuesday!! Voter fraud is a capital offense!!! Only English will be spoken!!!!!!!

  79. 306

    Truth2006 spews:

    @58,

    “I listened to the people who were there . . . not the politicians. “

    Apparently not. You wish to ignore Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick when he reports that under a Democrat administration, he would be court martialed if he had fired on those terrorists. Let’s see EXACTLY what he said, shall we?

    “we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

    Your attempt to try to fake out the people into believeing that Democrats do not have nothing but utter contempt for our troops is and obviously a lie. From the contemptuous statements from Democrat John Murtha who presumes our marines guilty before a trial to John Kerry calling them dumb, Americans KNOW who supports them and who does not. Hint, it isn’t the Democrats.

  80. 307

    skagit spews:

    Oh gawd, that made my heart feel good! I’m sorry politics has become a shout-down match of attacks but the rethugs started it. . . we’ve finally got somebody who can do it back. Good ole’ Brad was swallowing a lot trying to keep up and trying to find something to say . . . revisiting Clinton? That’s lost its effect. Finally had to personally attack Chris . . . what a values-bankrupt party, this so-called “party of values.”

    Also, I heard some talk on CSpan that quite a few voters in Tennessee didn’t even know Ford was black . . . they liked what he had to say and what he stood for. So, racism raises its ugly head again. Bigotry still pays its way, doesn’t it.

  81. 308

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    55

    Go read the state supreme court decisions on the subject and then explain it to us.

    Hint: The state constitution gives the power of taxation and spending to the legislature not courts.

  82. 309

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    55

    So Mac — which tax should be raised to provide adequate funding for education? The estate tax?

  83. 311

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    42

    Liar Rabbit, how about printing the FULL quote instead of the select portions? LIAR!!! Commentby FaithfulDemocratJoeDemocrat— 11/5/06@ 2:58 pm

    See #56. I’m a partisan hack.

  84. 312

    skagit spews:

    On another blog, someone described Republicans as corporitists, bigots or gay-haters. Guess that about covers it.

  85. 313

    FaithfulDemocratJoeDemocrat spews:

    @31,

    ““According to Dr. (Condoleeza) Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s.””

    Liar Rabbit, how about printing the FULL quote instead of the select portions? LIAR!!!

    “According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s. She said he “made clear to us that he did not want to respond to al Qaeda one attack at a time. He told me he was ‘tired of swatting flies.'” The administration instead began work on a new strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda.

  86. 314

    skagit spews:

    Exactly. Smeg. WE pay the taxes and and we pay far more of them than the rich. The estate tax is one of those taxes they pay that helps recycle opportunities for the middle class. So you want you kids to pay even more taxes than they already do so that the rich can continue to pay less taxes than the rest of us? Boy, that’s great thinking! We thinking like that, I’ll be in the poorhouse in no time.

    I have a house in Seattle. I know what paying property taxes is all about . . . our schools are going wanting because we middle class people in Seattle can’t take much more.

    Oh, but let’s give those rich inheritors another break, shall we? And any estate taxes they pay are deducted from the federal taxes. It keeps the money at home. But, then, you probably didn’t know that either.

  87. 315

    Kiroking spews:

    Skagit

    Why do you think “others” such a RICH people need to pay your share? Don’t you think the Rich People GIVE? Look at the gates foundation. Are you disappointed that they GIVE tons to OTHER countries who are a hell of alot worse off than us here?

    As a school teacher, you of all people should understand the eductation system in this country. If you want a free ride, then hop on a plane to france. But if you want to enjoy the freedoms of the USA, then pay your fair share, and quit trying to suck off the teet of the rich.

    There is a real good reason they are RICH, they had opportunities, and they took advantage of them. Tap into your mental resources, and take advantage of your opportunities. But most of all, don’t whine that you are a poor washington teacher(you knew how much you would make when you took the job), just trying to make america a better place and it for the children. It is the choice you made.

    Make the best of it, but don’t take away from others because of the choices you made.

  88. 316

    skagit spews:

    Smeg: Yes, I knew that. I also know that some are leaving the state to keep the money in their pocket instead of the state’s pocket.

    Name one person who’s leaving. And if they are leaving, how does that keep the money in their pocket? It will be going to WA DC . . . didn’t you understand that? Don’t you get it? It will not stay in their pocket.

  89. 317

    sgmmac spews:

    Gidget!

    It will stay in their pocket with the right tax advisors and the right states.

    As for who is leaving – I don’t remember his name – he had a press conference and he’s moving most of his businesses and his money to another state………..

    Some people are doing it for the “principal” of it. While it’s true that the poor and the working class are paying a larger percentage of their income in taxes, the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country. The poor and the middle class in THIS state are hit with way more than their fair share because this state doesn’t have a state income tax….

  90. 318

    sgmmac spews:

    “And any estate taxes they pay are deducted from the federal taxes. It keeps the money at home. But, then, you probably didn’t know that either. ”

    Yes, I knew that. I also know that some are leaving the state to keep the money in their pocket instead of the state’s pocket.
    You will continue to pay those obscene taxes in Seattle as long as you continue to support sin taxes and death taxes.

    The estate tax is an unreliable source of income for education, because it is dependent upon an external force. If no-one in that class dies – the money isn’t there. The truly rich in Seattle will NEVER pay the tax, they’ve hired the lawyers and advisors to shelter all of their money. If I was a multi-millionaire – I’d give it all away BEFORE I died!

  91. 319

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    75

    How about we just tax all lawyers named after cartoon characters. Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm

    How about if you pay the same taxes I do for starters.

  92. 320

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    12

    Commentby lesbian gangbang— 11/5/06@ 12:09 pm

    Another GOP campaign ad … ?

  93. 322

    skagit spews:

    So he went to Iraq – the one country where the dictator didn’t want anything to do with Osama?

    Even in context, Rabbit’s right. What fools you all are! (I’m laughing so hard at this weak attempt to diffuse an accurate quote) Afghanistan was the war . . . Iraq an induldence that cost thousands their lives while Bush dithers in bush-cutting country. What idiots you are!

  94. 323

    Truth2006 spews:

    “They’re like John Gacy pretending to be a clown.”

    John Gacy was a Democrat.

  95. 324

    skagit spews:

    And Bundy was a Republican. So what? You’ve reached the bottom of the barrel. Finally.

  96. 325

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    53

    “Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from? Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:25 pm

    What if nobody buys any gas next year? Where do our roads come from?

  97. 326

    skagit spews:

    You are much to nice to this ignorant bigot and fool, Rabbit. BTW, I thought you made a great call to Goldy last week. He should have been nicer. You made a good point.

  98. 327

    skagit spews:

    BTW, interesting that you haven’t responded to one of my facts.

    Also, Rabbit, you may like the progressive income tax, but I’m not convinced. There will be the same loopholes that the rich currently use to get out of taxes. As Gov Locke said himself, the states with the income tax are having just as much difficulty as the sales tax states. Since the feds are not helping much, everybody is in trouble. And this state will never get rid of the sales tax to implement an income tax. So, we’ll have taxes all over the boards and we’ll still be the ones paying them.

    An income tax is another simple solution for simple minds like Smegs who want easy answers. You should know better.

    I am for a consumption tax . . .

  99. 328

    skagit spews:

    the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country. SMEG

    Smeg, there’s no hope for you. All the reasons above tell you why you’re wrong; but, with the herd mentality of the right-wing propaganda machine, you continue to prove why this country is in a mess and getting worse. For gods sake, read a book or a newspaper. Get yourself some education.

  100. 329

    skagit spews:

    If I believe the ads – we are relying on less than 1% of the population in Washington state to die………SMEG

    Exactly the problem with you, Smeg. You get all your information from the ads. What a fucking fool.

  101. 331

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    53 (continued)

    Actually, you make an excellent point Mac. Under our current Rube Goldberg tax system, no dead millionaires would be a disaster for our schools! We need to eliminate the fiscal risks of actuarial fluctuation.

    Therefore, I propose we eliminate the estate tax, enact a state income tax, and treat inheritances as ordinary income. That way, it gets rolled into a much larger tax. The advantage of this is that personal income as a whole is much less likely to fluctuate year-to-year than the amount of taxable inheritances.

  102. 333

    skagit spews:

    Why do you think “others” such a RICH people need to pay your share? Don’t you think the Rich People GIVE?

    My share? 17% to 4%? Where did you get your math? JP Patches school for the Slow?
    And no, research shows that percentagewise, middle class people give more of their income to charity that the rich.

    See, all of you are clueless and you are your own worst enemies. I don’t care if you want to give to the rich . .. but please don’t give my money to the rich as well.

  103. 334

    JCH [PA] spews:

    Dear Terrorist Moooooooooooooslims and illegal aliens, NO!! YOU MAY NOT VOTE!!!!! Border Patrol with big attack dogs and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll!!! In addition, Democrat blacks in Milwaukee who destroy Republican vans tonight will be arrested and will lose their “guvment” checks!!!!

  104. 335

    Truth2006 spews:

    And for the record Retard Rabbit, in both WWI and WWII the country was drug into war by Democrats who never served in the military.

Open thread

I think that pretty much says it all.

Comments

  1. 337

    The Socialist spews:

    Dame tight ass Ted was all over the TV news tonight.

    I herd his favort but buddys were going to Colorado to snuggle up with Ted in his hour of need. Bush and Channy are headed to colorado. rofl

    yeah you guys just snuggle in there with old teddy

  2. 338

    For the Soulless spews:

    There should be no inheritance tax so that wealth can be concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

    That’s patriotism.

  3. 340

    For the Clueless spews:

    Same old tired DOOFUS bullcrap…

    Why couldn’t Dino get more votes? Win by 1000? Because people caught on to his phony moderate act.

    He’s the BIAW’s man. Dino’s a whiner. He doesn’t have a prayer in 2008.

  4. 342

    For the Clueless spews:

    Poor DOOFUS – the train’s coming down the track and the idiot can’t move his sorry butt off the rails!

    Maybe the Reverend Ted Haggard can “minister” to the poor man.

  5. 343

    JDB spews:

    Comrade Francine:

    Funny how they were not all for one candidate. They broke the same as King County as a whole. Just as you would expect.

    Perhaps you should know something ’bout what you are saying next time. Go read Judge Bridge’s opinion. Here’s the link:

    http://www.seattleweekly.com/n.....cision.php

    And here is a good time line of events:

    http://www.nwprogressive.org/p.....lenge.html

    I know facts are not a big thing to Republicans, but you might find knowing the truth to be more interesting than repeating old, discredited GOP talking points.

  6. 347

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    re 58: Well. We won and you lost. Do you get it now? I sure hope you do because if your side pulls another Diebold stunt there’s gonna be blood in the streets.

    Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 8:43 pm

    Better get ready. This Tuesday you will be blaming it on diebold. Better be careful what you wish for, republicans carry guns.

  7. 348

    For the Soulless spews:

    re 123: If giving the rich tax breaks means we actually collect more taxes, then not taxing them at all would mean that nobody would have to pay taxes.

  8. 350

    For the Soulless spews:

    If you pay people less and less to produce more and more goods that no one can afford, it spreads democracy to third world countries.

  9. 351

    RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

    Go a head a vote twice buttnuts and you will end up in jail like man coulter.

    Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 11:00 pm

    No I won’t, I found a Kerry/Edwards button. heehhee

  10. 352

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    More thoughts for you Roger Rabbit:

    Democrats: ‘No comment’
    on terrorists’ endorsement
    DNC, Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy decline
    to discuss jihadists’ vote of confidence

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: November 3, 2006
    5:00 p.m. Eastern

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

    National leaders in the Democratic Party, including Howard Dean’s Democratic National Committee, potential House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, possible presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and longtime party stalwart Ted Kennedy don’t want to talk with WorldNetDaily about an endorsement their party has received.

    The endorsement came via a WND article by Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, who interviewed leaders of several prominent Mideast terrorist organizations, including Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad.

    “Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

    “This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

    Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

    Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

    Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

    “As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

    But WND was unable to get a single comment from dozens of telephone calls made over two days and messages left with various leaders’ offices and press secretaries.

    “I’ll see what we can do,” was the best response WND obtained when asking for a comment on the endorsement, and that came from Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Hammill in Pelosi’s office. It came on the third call to that office.

    The Democratic National Committee was approached at least six times, and multiple messages were deposited on a voice mail system handled by the courteous Rosemary, who said, “We’re extremely busy,” but there was no response, even after one spokesman in Sen. Barack Obama’s officer referred WND to the DNC because such a question would be in “Chairman Dean’s” territory.

    The Democratic Leadership Council’s response to multiple phone calls was similar, a promise to call back later.

    At least three messages left with Sen. Clinton’s office went unreturned after a receptionist forwarded the calls to an answering machine, which informed WND that, “No one is available to take your call at this time.”

    Calls to Sen. Kennedy’s office actually reached a live person, who listened to the request and promised, “If we’re able to we’ll shoot you something. We can’t promise.”

    Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar’s office generated a merry-go-round of telephone numbers. A call to his Washington office generated a referral to a Denver office, which generated a referral to a press office, which generated a referral to a cell phone. When a spokesman answered that number, the caller was referred back to the press office, which had an answering machine attached to the line. Leave a message.

    A call to Sen. Harry Reid also allowed the caller to leave a message.

    On the Republican side, Sen. Tom Tancredo, of Colorado, said those Mideast leaders are right – in one way.

    He told WND that the assessment by terrorists who suggested U.S. voters choose the Democrats on Tuesday because they believe an expected removal of U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory is hard to dispute.

    “I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

    “They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

    “In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

    The president’s recent statements also have given those factions reason to hope for better results under a Democrat Party leadership than the existing decision-makers.

    “Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said during a campaign stop this week. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

    “The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction.

    “But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

    Of course Goldie is a no show on this. This blows apart any further consideration who supports cut and run and who is supportive of cut and run!

  11. 353

    For the Soulless spews:

    If the rich did not contribute to charities,charities would collect more money.

  12. 354

    JDB spews:

    Anonymous, like most Republicans, cares more about some rich guy than the soldiers that the GOP have sent to die in a foolish war of choice.

    Typical Republican, cannot talk about the real issues.

  13. 355

    JDB spews:

    Nobody mention to Loser Yellowback the constant string of wild fires in California this year because of the very hot drought they are having. We wouldn’t want him to know that it is a system, not just one event, that has been thrown out of skew by global warming.

    Sort of like thinking that you accomplish something against Al Qaeda by attacking Iraq.

    Sheesh Yellowback, are you just currious what it would be like to be a total idiot, or does it come naturally?

  14. 357

    Don Joe spews:

    Sorry, Socialist, but it might just be a bit beyond you as well. We’re talking about rational numbers.

    No offense intended. I just couldn’t resist.

  15. 358

    JDB spews:

    Roger:

    I have a feeling that Francine is just JCH’s working name. Note the same lack of facts, the same inability to do anything but repeat lies and talking points.

    So, Comrade Francine, we have given you tons of facts. Got a single one that supports anything you said?

    No. Thought not. I love how wingnuts always claim that the Dems are out to stop the military from voting, but have no proof, and yet are perfectly happy to stop everyone else from voting.

    Why do you hate America so Comrade Francine?

  16. 359

    For the Clueless spews:

    I have been reading with interest everything I can about I-933. A couple of things seem to be at the core of the issue.

    First, even the opponents acknowledge in the voters’ pamphlet that the initiative would affect only those regulations passed since January 1996. This means that the state’s Growth Management Act would remain intact. The GMA is a set of statewide regulations designed to regulate urban growth and protect rural areas. It is a very thorough set of restrictions and has generally been working very well. To say I-933 would do away with land-use regulations is simply untrue.

    Second, I-933 targets legislation like the CAO, which is an extremely restrictive set of regulations that applies only to rural, unincorporated lands and can absolutely decimate the value of rural homeowners’ properties. Ironically, those who are hurt most by the CAO are those who have best protected the natural vegetation and habitat. A wooded, rural property with a stream recently sold for $49,000 instead of the $225,000 it would have brought were it not encumbered by the CAO. This is absolutely unfair! The end does not justify the means.

    If we want environmental protections (and I hope we do), then we all have to be willing to pay our fair share. A vote for I-933 is a vote for fair funding of environmental preservation.

  17. 363

    spews:

    The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.

    Commentby For the Clueless— 11/3/06@ 10:17 pm

    —————–

    Truly clueless.

    And better yet let’s let all of America’s wealth trickle up to a few rich families that have used their fortunes to leverage their influence at the expense of millions of Americans. Then we can have a society like Fuedal England! A few dozen lords calling the shots, running our country, and the rest of us living in squalor.

    Did I hear anyone exclaim “let them eat cake” from their ivory tower?

    Yee Haw!!!

    The rich have every advantage, and at death they can pay society back for the advantages their wealth afforded them. Sounds fair to me? Bill Gates makes more off interest in a day than I will make in my lifetime. Of course we should pay the same in taxes right? Wingnuts. Nothing against Mr. Gates.

    Why should multi millionares help pay for the education of “regular” Americans children? There are enought McDonalds hiring to go around…..

    If you don’t believe me, try raising 3 kids on $15 an hour with no benefits…. Wait till one of them gets sick….. Wait till your job gets outsourced and you have to train your $2 an hour replacement or lose your severance pay….

    Reaganomics = Death to Democracy

    Bushonomics = Death to all living brain cells

  18. 364

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    Funny how they were not all for one candidate. They broke the same as King County as a whole. Just as you would expect.

    So out of 40 counties most of which are republican the biggest liberal county just happen to find ballots on the second recount. Wow, interesting huh. hehehehe More frosting .. hhehehehe

  19. 365

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    GOP READIES CHALLENGE TO TENN. VOTE

    Republicans, anticipating a loss in Tennessee, aren’t waiting for election day to claim voting fraud.

    “(T)he GOP is planning to declare fraud after next Tuesday’s election. As initially linked by DRUDGE (which should tell you almost all you need to know) earlier today, the GOP is laying the groundwork:

    “Several electronic voting cards, used to cast ballots, are missing from a polling place in Memphis, according to the Tennessee Republican Party.

    “In a letter to the Shelby County Election Commission, state GOP chairman Bob Davis Jr. charges the ‘lack of oversight and control’ over the so-called Smartcards ‘has created a situation which could allow for voter fraud.’

    “The situation is not ‘lack of oversight and control’ of these smart cards. It’s lack of oversight and control of our electoral system such that we’ve come to a place where there are so many access points to the system, it’s virtually impossible, with this equipment, to have any kind of security that could ensure a legitimate vote.

    “You’ll also note this unsubstantiated allegation from the AP coverage of the claims in TN:

    “Davis sent his letter one day after Gibbons said he asked the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation to look into allegations two people each cast two ballots during early voting in Shelby County.

    “Looks like the GOP is in good shape in Tennesse at this point. If they lose, they can make whatever claims they like: Fraud by Electronic Voting, or Voter Fraud by those nasty double-voting Dems. … ”

    BLOGGED BY Brad ON 11/3/2006 5:58PM PT

    http://www.bradblog.com/

  20. 366

    JDB spews:

    amerikkkafirst:

    How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage; homosexual prostitute dope dealers are a major part of the Dem base. The more depraved the behavior the more libs think it’s great.

    Uhhh…, hate to tell you this, but Haggard is one of your guys. Talks with the president every week, don’t you know.

    And we probably don’t want to talk about GWB’s coke habit either. Or Limbaugh’s drug problems…, or getting picked up with Viagra after a sex vacation to the Caribean. Or Mark Foley.

    And how can you be against people who go around “buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage.” Without that, there would be no talk radio for wingnuts.

  21. 367

    JDB spews:

    Loser Yellowback:

    Apparently voting for a strong economy, low unemployment, national security, and fixing global warming is a bad thing. Seems to me she is making Reichert’s case for him.

    Reichert wasn’t a congresman when Clinton was President. Get off the meth.

  22. 368

    americafirst spews:

    How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage; homosexual prostitute dope dealers are a major part of the Dem base. The more depraved the behavior the more libs think it’s great.

  23. 369

    For the Clueless spews:

    LONDON: George Bush is considered nearly as dangerous as America’s bete noire, Osama bin Laden, by ordinary people on the streets of America’s closest political and military ally, Britain.

    Meanwhile, three other US neighbours and allies confirmed they regarded the planet’s only hyperpower a threat to world peace, in a damaging indictment of the US president’s track record post-9/11.

    The international survey of public opinion, carried out in the UK, Canada, Mexico and Israel, showed high levels of distrust of President Bush in particular and America in general, five years after the so-called ‘war on terror’ began.

    The poll, conducted by Britain’s Guardian newspaper, Canada’s La Presse and Toronto Star, Mexico’s Reforma and Israel’s Haaretz, comes four days before Americans vote in their mid-term Congressional elections

  24. 370

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    117

    How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:45 pm

    Want to bet?*

    * (Given the lousy track record of trolls in paying off lost bets, all bets made by trolls must be backed by cash in escrow.)

    “AFRICAN-AMERICAN SOLDIERS SCRUBBED BY SECRET GOP HIT LIST

    “by Greg Palast
    “As reported for Democracy Now!

    “The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.

    “A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.

    “Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.

    “One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.

    “Here’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, ‘Do not forward’, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as ‘undeliverable.’

    “The lists of soldiers of ‘undeliverable’ letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.

    “One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. Jacksonville is third largest naval installation in the US, best known as home of the Blue Angels fighting squandron.

    [See this scrub sheet at http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.g.....038;size=o ]

    “Our team contacted the homes of several on the caging list, such as Randall Prausa, a serviceman, whose wife said he had been ordered overseas.

    “A soldier returning home in time to vote in November 2004 could also be challenged on the basis of the returned envelope. …

    “The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican’s national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to GOP Florida campaign chairman Brett Doster and other party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, ‘Caging.xls.’ Each of these contained several hundred to a few thousand voters and their addresses.

    “A check of the demographics of the addresses on the ‘caging lists,’ as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.

    “Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists … said: ‘The only thing I can think of – African American voters listed like this – these might be individuals that will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day.’

    “These GOP caging lists were obtained by the same BBC team that first exposed the wrongful purge of African-American ‘felon’ voters in 2000 by … Katherine Harris. Eliminating the voting rights of those voters — 94,000 were targeted — likely caused Al Gore’s defeat in that race.

    “The Republican National Committee in Washington refused our several requests to respond to the BBC discovery. However, in Tallahassee, the Florida Bush campaign’s spokespeople offered several explanations for the list.

    “Joseph Agostini, speaking for the GOP, suggested the lists were of potential donors to the Bush campaign. Oddly, the supposed donor list included residents of the Sulzbacher Center a shelter for homeless families.

    “Another spokesperson for the Bush campaign, Mindy Tucker Fletcher, ultimately changed the official response, acknowledging that these were voters, ‘we mailed to, where the letter came back – bad addresses.’

    “The party has refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having ‘bad addresses’ subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad. …

    “The GOP mailed the letters first class, at a total cost likely exceeding millions of dollars, so that the addresses would be returned to ‘cage’ workers.

    “’This is not a challenge list,’ insisted the Republican spokesmistress. However, she modified that assertion by adding, ‘That’s not what it’s set up to be.’

    “Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlaws mass challenges of voters where race is a factor in choosing the targeted group.

    “While the party insisted the lists were not created for the purpose to challenge Black voters, the GOP ultimately offered no other explanation for the mailings. However, Tucker Fletcher asserted Republicans could still employ the list to deny ballots to those they considered suspect voters. When asked if Republicans would use the list to block voters, Tucker Fletcher replied, ‘Where it’s stated in the law, yeah.’

    “It is not possible at this time to determine how many on the potential blacklist were ultimately challenged and lost their vote. Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a challenge.

    “For the full story of caging lists and voter purges of 2004, plus the documents, read Greg Palast’s New York Times bestseller, ARMED MADHOUSE: Who’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?”

    http://tinyurl.com/jv9nf

  25. 372

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Well now even the military papers are saying Rummy must go. I suppose they are all part of the liberal media?

    Hey righties – it must suck to be so wrong all the time. HE HE. Let’s see where you cum drunk inbred right wingers are Wed. Weeping in your oatmeal no doubt!

  26. 373

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    Kuddos to Anonymous #207 – for outlining the plight of one individual vs the masses. Spoken like a true lieing, cheating and stealing Republican.

  27. 374

    harry poon spews:

    re 58: Well. We won and you lost. Do you get it now? I sure hope you do because if your side pulls another Diebold stunt there’s gonna be blood in the streets.

  28. 375

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    Yeah and now that I got my new job at Walmart, I might be able to afford a double wider like yours Mark – things are really looking up. But I’m not worried because I’ll find a way to cheat or steal to make ends meet if need be. Thanks for the Job.

  29. 376

    busdrivermike spews:

    Breaking news:

    Mike Mcgavick declares himself a ” Mcgavick Republican”.

    Dave Reichart states that he will get that bus driver fired, even if it takes 20 years and a DNA test.

    Republicans declare November national “natural colon exam month”

  30. 377

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Isn’t the employment fraction a little over 96 out of a hunnerd?

  31. 378

    harry poon spews:

    I’m calling for Darcy Burner tomorrow — mostly because I really feel like paying more taxes.

    It’s fun and the kids love it. Won’t have time for crystal meth and a gay prostitute, though.

  32. 379

    The Socialist spews:

    As we reported back in February, Ann Coulter, 45, committed voter fraud in a town council election earlier this year. Now, it’s going to prosecutors — Florida Justice: swift and brutal.

    The offense (knowingly voting in the wrong district) is punishable by up to five years in prison! And now that… you know, christ, not even we are interested in this woman anymore. Sorry.

    Holly Crap were do you lock up old broken down scanky ass transexuiles

  33. 380

    JDB spews:

    Francine:

    If you are talking about the ’04 election, you have been mis-informed. A judge found that the only illegal votes were for Dino Rossi, the Republican. But fortunately the system worked, so they were not able to “steal” the election as you say. So you shouldn’t accuse them of that like you do.

  34. 381

    harry poon spews:

    re 28: It’s going great! You know why? Because Bush’s spiritual advisor is a crack smoking whoremonger.

    I guess the great news about everything else kind of gets lost when people ponder that.

  35. 382

    The Socialist spews:

    I think people are finnaly sick of the republicans.

    It like a old county remidy for keeping a dog from killing the chickens any more. You tie a dead chicken around there neck and leave it there till it rottes off.

    The dog will never kill another chicken agien.

  36. 383

    For the Soulless spews:

    If you subsidize corporate farms in the US and then sell the produce in Mexico cheaper than the indigineous farmers can produce it, you kill off the indigineous Mexican farms. Then you jack up the price of the American produce that is subsidized by the American taxpayer and you squeeze the poor people of Mexico even harder tan before.

    That’s Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” at work.
    Some would call that racketeering on a grand scale.

    Republican’s call it : “Free Enterprise.”

  37. 384

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    You know the other day I said on the news that I didn’t know a Mike Jones, but you know now that I think of it he’s the guy who gave me my massage – you see, I pulled a muscle jogging so I needed a massage (my fat whore wife wouldn’t do it)and Rush Limbaugh told me how crystal meth would help out the pulled muscle too, but when I found out its what the black people take, I prayed to Jesus and decided the pain would be better. Amen. And Hail Hitler!

  38. 385

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Wow, I go to a funeral for a friend’s father and you all get whipped up in a lather. Amazing what islamofascists for moonbats does for ya.

    Now let’s clear the air. No one, and I mean no one, discussed the lack of monnbat leadership response to the terrorists wanting them to win. What is amazing is these moonbatnuts here got their testicles in a knot because the terrorists tell the truth!

    THE TERRORIST SAY TEY WILL NOT STOP THEIR TERROR! In fact they say cut and run strengthens their hand. Of course moonbats are in shock. But the moonbat Pelosi said they will stop. She knows. She understands them. NOT! That’s the truth! The verdict is out!

  39. 386

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    7) Terrible growth in real wages

    Wow, that is not good. Of course this is countered by terrible growth in real taxes.

  40. 387

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    This and the NYT admitting Saddam was within a year of a nuclear weapon, really puts moonbat speak in jeopardy!

  41. 388

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    “I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat when I’m not being a family man or a hypocrit.” – Ted Haggard. I bet all my fellow Republicans are really proud of me. HAIL HITLER!

  42. 389

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    4 MORE DAYS

    INVESTIGATIONS! SUBPOENAS! FROG MARCHES! TRIALS! PINK JUMPSUITS!

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  43. 390

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    Silly Francine, those were legal votes. As the Judge said. Remember, Rossi would not appeal that decision. And that is why you have recounts, to find votes that should have been counted but were not.

    Funny how all those votes went to one candidate…. wait no it isnt. hehehehe Keep on spreading frosting on that turd of an election. You guys up there are awesome though. You put Chicago to shame. heheehe

  44. 392

    me spews:

    Thought I’d post the latest vote counts before the weekend. 158260 ballots are in in King County.

    County___ BallotsCast___ LastMatchback
    Adams__ 1974 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
    Benton__ 21171 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
    Chelan__ 5981 ballots___ 10/27/2006 4:26:47 PM
    Clallam__ 16408 ballots___ 11/3/2006 3:17:49 PM
    Clark__ 59383 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:06:53 PM
    Columbia__ 1240 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:56:15 AM
    Cowlitz__ 11770 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:45:11 AM
    Douglas__ 6307 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
    Ferry__ 1217 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
    Franklin__ 5495 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
    Grant__ 9872 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
    Grays Harbor__ 10769 ballots___ 11/2/2006 12:57:11 PM
    Island__ 10750 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
    Jefferson__ 9229 ballots___ 11/2/2006 2:26:27 PM
    King__ 158260 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
    Kitsap__ 43861 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
    Kittitas__ 5237 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
    Klickitat__ 388 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
    lewis__ 13246 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
    Lincoln__ 2562 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
    Mason__ 10964 ballots___ 11/2/2006 10:12:48 PM
    Okanogan__ 6901 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
    Pacific__ 2740 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
    Pierce__ 75660 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:06:36 PM
    San Juan__ 3606 ballots___ 11/2/2006 12:00:11 PM
    Skagit__ 22634 ballots___ 11/3/2006 3:58:52 PM
    Snohomish__ 79346 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:47:51 PM
    Spokane__ 89504 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:47:27 PM
    Stevens__ 4652 ballots___ 10/31/2006 2:59:15 PM
    Thurston__ 37385 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:45:11 AM
    Wahkiakum__ 1049 ballots___ 11/2/2006 8:10:14 PM
    Walla Walla__ 7130 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:16:28 PM
    Whatcom__ 35193 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:13:17 PM
    Whitman__ 6149 ballots___ 11/2/2006 6:49:10 PM
    Yakima__ 28083 ballots___ 11/2/2006 8:15:51 PM

  45. 393

    JDB spews:

    Here is what Loser Yellowback supports:

    1) Killing American Soldiers

    2) Incompetently run wars

    3) Manipulating Intelligence

    4) Spying on Americans

    5) Getting rid of Habeas Corpus

    6) Never firing those who mess up their job, better to give them the medal of freedom

    7) Terrible growth in real wages

    8) Gigantic debts and deficits

    9) Never investigating wrong doing.

    10) Molesting teenage boys

    11) Doing meth before getting it on with a male prostitute

    Loser, why do you hate America so?

  46. 394

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    Republicans have betrayed America, our soldiers, and the voters.

    Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/3/06@ 10:32 pm

    How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting.

  47. 395

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    This is worth repeating:

    Editorial
    The Great Divider
    Published: November 2, 2006

    As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

    Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

    It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

    But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

    This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

    http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

    (Quoted under Fair Use)

  48. 396

    JDB spews:

    Comrade Francine:

    No, really, read the links I gave you. Many other counties found votes too. Strangely enought, the most populous county found the most votes. But per capita, there were many Rossi Counties that found more.

    Come on. Are you completely ignorant. Even the most foolish of U(sp)poster gave up on these old arguements a long time ago.

  49. 398

    spews:

    What is really funny is how Republicans worship tax dollars (cuts) (deferrments actually) more than anything, but can’t stand the thought of one single auditor in Iraq……

    The Republican’s only true god is THEIR OWN GREED!

  50. 399

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    5) Getting rid of Habeas Corpus

    Ooooh the horror. geeesh. hehehehe

  51. 400

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Funny how all those votes went to one candidate…. wait no it isnt. hehehehe Keep on spreading frosting on that turd of an election.” Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 8:32 pm

    Funny how you’re lying through your nose! Let’s fact-check this turd of a post:

    Net Change of Votes

    1st recount: Gregoire +1289, Rossi +1070, Bennett +69
    2nd recount: Gregoire +919, Rossi +784, Bennett +49

    Funny how ALL 3 candidates GAINED votes! Why do you suppose? Because the first two counts were done by machines, and machine counts aren’t 100% accurate. If there’s a smudge or speck of dirt on a ballot, the machine can’t read the ballot. Should a voter’s ballot be thrown out because of that? I DON’T FUCKING THINK SO!

    The 2nd recount was by hand. Every ballot in the state was counted by a Republican and a Democrat — in King County, at least 3 times and by up to 7 different counting teams. The hand recount is not off by even 1 vote.

    “Francine” is blowing smoke through his/her/its ass.

  52. 401

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    As we reported back in February, Ann Coulter, 45, committed voter fraud in a town council election earlier this year. Now, it’s going to prosecutors — Florida Justice: swift and brutal.

    The offense (knowingly voting in the wrong district) is punishable by up to five years in prison! And now that… you know, christ, not even we are interested in this woman anymore. Sorry.

    Holly Crap were do you lock up old broken down scanky ass transexuiles

    Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 7:34 pm

    Yeah what was that story again, she was not a citizen….no she voted twice. No that’s not it that,is what democrats do. hehehe

  53. 402

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Two years later and the gooper crybabies are still whining about losing an election. Sore loooooosers! Sheesh. Grow up.

    … and Mark1 calls ME “juvenile and immature”?

    (sarcastic bunny laughter)

  54. 403

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    Comrade Francine:

    No, really, read the links I gave you. Many other counties found votes too. Strangely enought, the most populous county found the most votes. But per capita, there were many Rossi Counties that found more.

    Come on. Are you completely ignorant. Even the most foolish of U(sp)poster gave up on these old arguements a long time ago.

    Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 9:34 pm

    Yeah, most other counties found maybe one or two. How did KC do in reconciling votes cast to registered voters? hehehehe

  55. 405

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    By Kevin Tillman

    Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document:

    It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.
    Much has happened since we handed over our voice:
    Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

    Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

    Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

    Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.
    Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.
    Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.
    Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.
    Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.
    Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.
    Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.
    Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
    Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
    Somehow torture is tolerated.
    Somehow lying is tolerated.
    Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
    Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
    Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
    Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
    Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.
    Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.
    Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.
    Somehow this is tolerated.
    Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
    In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.
    Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

    Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,
    Kevin Tillman

  56. 406

    Don Joe spews:

    Welcher,

    “Isn’t the employment fraction a little over 96 out of a hunnerd?”

    As a matter of fact yes. And, as a matter of fact, the employment fraction, as a fraction, used to be a tad smaller than that. The question is, which number changed, the numerator or the denominator?

    Keep pressing that campaign strategy of trying to convince people that they’re really better off than they think they are. We’ll find out how well it’s been working on Tuesday.

    Oh, and pay your debt to Goldy, asshole.

  57. 407

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    LOL! Pope-A-Dope you really are impressed with yourself aren’t you. Your shit little race doesn’t warrant the attention of an endorsement. Besides they sure weren’t gonna endorse you so be thankful.

    I predict this will be number 15 on your list of failed attempts. But hey, you got close once. That can be your fish that got away story.

  58. 408

    Richard Pope spews:

    Seattle Post-Intelligencer Editorials for this Sunday:

    General election endorsements. Notice that they are not making any endorsement in the Northeast District Court race:

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....raped.html

    My opponent sent out a mailer to promote his candidacy and knock mine. His mailer prominently featured excerpts from the 09/24/2006 Seattle P-I editorial, where they commented on my first place finish in the primary. Given all that, it is very interesting that they have decided that his candidacy isn’t worthy of endorsement either.

    In other views, the Seattle P-I comments on the lawsuit over special education funding, and the anemic approach to education funding in this state in general:

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....suited.asp

  59. 410

    For the Soulless spews:

    Bush’s personal pastor is a cocksucking, buttfucking crack smoking whoremonger.

    PRAISE JESUS FOR THIS GIFT HE HAS GIVEN US JUST DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION!

  60. 411

    The Socialist spews:

    yeh but if you show up with a kerry edwards button some right wing goon will think you are a demercrat beat you up to keep you from voting butnutz

  61. 415

    For the Clueless spews:

    You work hard, pay your taxes, invest in your business and die happy, knowing you have created a legacy that can be carried on and grown by your heirs.

    Not so fast.

    If you have had the good fortune to be successful in building up a business, contributing to the economy, paying personal and business taxes and employing dozens of workers, your heirs may inherit something that could jeopardize everything you built up: a huge bite called the estate tax, or death tax.

    A measure to repeal the state death tax is on this year’s ballot. I-920 is a reasonable approach and should be supported. It’s only fair.

    Money raised through the death tax goes to the Education Legacy Trust Account created last year by the Legislature to pay for education needs. Despite the fact that our state constitution mandates that a fundamental duty of the state is to provide adequate funding for education, we still find our schools wanting.

    So instead of making the hard decisions, by focusing on the priorities of government and funding them first — and putting education at the top of the list — our legislators look for creative ways to pick the pockets of taxpayers.

    Instituting a death tax was a smart move, pitting the rich against school kids, the perfect political cover.

    The truth is, while the death tax will only fall on a few — those estates worth more than $2 million — the result is one more negative factor in our state’s business climate.

    The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.

  62. 416

    For the Soulless spews:

    But what I don’t like about him is his hypocrisy. I think the worst punishment for a man like that would be to TAX HIS ASS OFF!

  63. 418

    For the Clueless spews:

    Stop the presses. Bill O’Reilly is lashing out at the New York Times.

    But this time the King of Cable News is not going after the Newspaper of Record for slanted news coverage on Iraq, Republican scandals or culture wars. This time O’Reilly’s angst is reserved for the Times’ book review staff.

    The man who built Fox News primetime into a ratings juggernaut is a hard guy to ignore. O’Reilly is everywhere.

  64. 419

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Mike?! McGavick runs attack ads against Sen. Cantwell saying he wants to end partisanship in Washington D.C.

    Mike?! McGavick is a Republican (although he doesn’t want you to know that).

    The Republicans in Washington D.C. have run the most nakedly partisan administration and congress of the last 100 years.

    Mike?! McGavick is the problem, not the solution.

  65. 420

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    President Pelosi. Get used to saying it!

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  66. 421

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    I don’t know why Darcy is only campaigning on the time for change theme.

    I think America could stand a little more Republican control. You know, no accountability, no honesty, no integrety, no control, no taking responsibility, no competence, and no end to the lies, corruption, and criminal behavior.

    Anyone supporting Reichert has more Denial than the Sahara has sand. The Pacific has water.

  67. 422

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    LOS ALAMOS DATA COMPROMISE ‘DEVASTATING’
    Documents Found In Drug Raid Reveal How To Unlock Nuclear Weapons

    In a recent drug raid, police found documents and computer disks from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in a trailer belonging to a lab employee.

    CBS reports that a “federal official recently briefed on the issue says ‘It’s devastating'” because the material includes instructions and codes to unlock nuclear weapons.

    CBS says, “If a nuclear weapon were stolen, the information ‘would tell the terrorists everything they need to do to get a weapon to fire.'”

    This article is quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/ylclh8

    Roger Rabbit Comment: Don’t sweat the small stuff, Richard! The Bush administration is doing such a crappy job of safeguarding us from potential terrorists that you probably won’t live long to lose your judicial election.

  68. 425

    RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

    How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:45 pm

    Want to bet?*

    Sure, the disenfranchisement of the military voter is explained in the following article:

    From Navy Seals.com
    http://www.navyseals.com/commu.....fm?id=6536

    By Chad Miles

    A recent report issued by the National Defense Committee, a nonprofit organization that supports the U.S. military and encourages veterans to run for elective office, recently found that 25 percent of ballots cast by military personnel in the 2004 presidential election went uncounted. Incredibly, that rate of disenfranchisement could be even higher due to the fact that the study relied on voluntary disclosure of information from local election officials.

    Unfortunately, the issue of soldiers being disenfranchised during an election is nothing new. We all remember the 2000 Florida recount fiasco and the events surrounding it. During that election, the rate of uncounted ballots cast by members of the armed forces was even higher at a staggering 29 percent nationwide.

    In Florida, which turned out to be the pivotal state in determining the winner of the 2000 election, around 1,400 military absentee votes were left uncounted, largely because of the role of lawyers working for the Democratic Party at local canvassing boards who followed a directive from the party to challenge all military ballots on the premise that they likely were votes for Republican nominee George W. Bush.

    Although many lawmakers vowed that the level of disenfranchisement seen in the aftermath of that election would never happen again, it looks like it did.

    According to the committee’s study, “Military and Overseas Absentee Voting in the 2004 Election,” the largest problem in managing military absentee ballots is not hostile attorneys, but rather what military historians call “the tyranny of distance” – the unavoidable difficulties inherent in getting ballots to our deployed military people serving overseas.

    During the election in 2000, the study found that, 30 percent of military personnel did not receive their ballot in time to cast a vote. When you combine that figure with the number of votes that were tossed out for various reasons – including arriving to the absentee voters via snail mail past voting deadlines – you can see that the scope of the problem is enormous.

    The challenge of getting ballots to soldiers was even worse during the 2004 election due to the post-9/11 deployments of military units to Iraq, Afghanistan and dozens of other countries in support of the Global War on Terror, the committee found. Units frequently on the move and mail delays caused by local threats such as the danger of roadside bombs made the task of getting ballots to the troops even more daunting.

    However, military absentee voters once again in 2004 found themselves the target of partisan political maneuvering as had happened in Florida four years earlier.

    Recognizing the fact that more time would be needed to count all of the military ballots arriving from overseas, the Pennsylvania legislature in 2004 requested that Gov. Edward G. Rendell authorize a two-week extension for the acceptance of military ballots to compensate for the issues surrounding the wartime situation in which our soldiers are now engaged.

    However, in Pennsylvania in 2004, as in Florida in 2000, political operatives were motivated by their longstanding knowledge that a strong majority of military voters generally supports Republican candidates.

    Rendell, a Democrat, initially refused the request to assist military absentee voters. But it later was discovered that he had launched an aggressive “get out the vote” information campaign within the state’s prison population, informing inmates of voting rights and providing them with absentee ballots for the election. Other studies have shown that a majority of the prison voting population supports Democratic candidates. The adverse publicity prompted Rendell to approve the extension for military overseas voters.

    In Washington state, the U.S. Justice Department threatened to sue less than a month before the 2004 election because election officials had yet to even mail out absentee ballots to military personnel overseas. What may have been bureaucratic incompetence may well have altered the outcome of that state’s gubernatorial election.

    The Washington state governor’s race between Republican nominee Dino Rossi and Democratic nominee Christine Gregoire turned out to be even tighter than the Florida presidential vote count in 2000. The Republican candidate won the first two re-counts but ultimately lost the third by 128 votes. With a total of 31,910 overseas ballots mailed out for that election, it’s easy to see that even a few lost, late or missing military votes made a huge impact in the election, ultimately deciding the race.

    When it was time for Congress to ratify the 2004 election results and electoral vote count for the offices of President and Vice President during a joint session last December, two Democratic legislators challenged the results on the basis of voting irregularities and disenfranchisement. Was someone finally going to raise the issue of one-fourth of our deployed military men and women not having a voice in the democratic process? No.

    The challenge concerned votes cast in the state of Ohio, which turned out to be the pivotal state in 2004 with enough electoral votes to swing the election and the Presidency to John Kerry. The challenge centered on disqualification of a newly created provisional ballot, not the military vote, and was nothing more than a symbolic protest by the party that had lost the presidential election.

    It appears that once again the rights of military overseas voters are no longer an issue within the political establishment.

    We should not have to still be struggling with this issue. Before the 2004 election, the Department of Defense launched an online voting system called the Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment (SERVE), designed to give military personnel deployed around the world the ability to vote instantly online. This would have obviously corrected the problems surrounding the reliance of postal mail for balloting, and put an end to the partisan shenanigans we saw in Florida with Democratic Party lawyers targeting military voters for ballot rejection.

    Alas, DoD officials opted to shut down the SERVE program before the election due to security concerns dealing with the sensitive nature of the data and the possibility of illegitimate votes being tabulated. Since DoD manages to send thousands of classified messages daily around the globe, many of them stamped “Top Secret,” it is hard to imagine that these security and privacy concerns cannot be resolved.

    It is ridiculous to have our troops filling out paper ballots and placing them in the mail in a day and age when publicly available technology allows you to take a picture and send it to someone on the other side of the world with a small cellphone. The disenfranchisement on the scale that we have seen in recent years is unacceptable, but it is definitely correctible.

    If DoD officials take the time to develop a secure and dependable electronic voting system, some election results may be drastically different in the years to come – but unlike the number of contested elections we have seen since 2000, the results will more likely reflect the judgment of all of the voters – including those serving in harm’s way to protect our freedoms.

    Contributing Editor Chad Miles is a U.S. Army veteran who served with the 82nd Airborne Division and the 5th Special Forces Group during the 1990s. He founded the website WhoServed.com, which tracks the military service of previous and current U.S. government leaders, and is currently pursuing a degree in political science from the University of Michigan – Dearborn. He can be reached at chad@whoserved.com. Send Feedback responses to dwfeedback@yahoo.com.

    I get my facts straight from the military, not lying proganda from some lefty, moonbat site.

  69. 426

    For the Clueless spews:

    WOS – if your Preznit is so hot why are these guys still ALIVE giving interviews?

    Could it be the wingnuts need these guys for their propaganda against Democrats?

    You are such an idiot WOS!

  70. 427

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    I am still Republican – I still cheat, lie, and steal when I’m not crying about being a hypocrit and a family. I hate liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. Weep, weep, weep….I have to pay taxes – why cant’t everything in life be free like the poor black folks get it…boooh hoooo hoooo. HAIL HITLER!

  71. 428

    The Socialist spews:

    And stop being a bunch of right-wing closeted homosexual homophobia. Get out of that closet and because a lefty or at lest a log cabin republican you will feel a lot better about your self and you will probably get laid a lot more .

    It is not the gay party we don’t like it is the hypocrisy part .

  72. 429

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Geez, it looks like Algore is full of shit… as usual:

    Quoting from the gawd of global warming: “Two thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the history of humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will face a string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare ourselves and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. Ladies and gentlemen, the warnings about global warming have been extremely clear for a long time. We are facing a global climate crisis. It is deepening. We are entering a period of consequences.” http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm

    Let’s see… how many major hurricanes have we had so far this season? Hmmm…. hmmmmmm…. shit… the answer is FUCKING ZERO !!!!!!!

    Some “string of terrible catastrophes.” A string of ZERO !!!!!!!

    And you fucking idiot kool aid drinkers were all in a lather about his stoopid fucking movie when it came out. Do you feel stoopid now?

    Despite his track record of impressive achievements in network technology, he obviously doesn’t know jack shit about science.

  73. 430

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    84

    Did you find out how far off KC was on the reconcillation between votes cast and registered voters? Just more evidence that KC stole the election. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:08 pm

    It’s not evidence of anything and shows how ignorant you are about election procedures! There was NO LIST that could be used to reconcile “votes cast” and “registered voters.” That’s because registration lists are continuously updated and the list available after the election is not the same as the voters entitled to vote in the election. Fucking idiot.

  74. 431

    JDB spews:

    Silly Francine, those were legal votes. As the Judge said. Remember, Rossi would not appeal that decision. And that is why you have recounts, to find votes that should have been counted but were not.

    Or are you in favor, like the GOP, of preventing people from voting if they don’t agree with you. Wow, how Soviet of you.

  75. 432

    For the Clueless spews:

    On Terrorism:

    The Democratic Party believes in an ounce of prevention: homeland security, follow the money, foreign economic and security aid, limited military intervention.

    The extreme right wingers believe in a ton of cure: endless wars, tens of thousands dead and maimed, more hate and ill will toward the United States.

    The Democratic way decreases violence and death and encourages peace – the other way spirals hate and violence out of control.

    Do the smarter thing. Vote Democratic

  76. 433

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    184

    Terrorists give interviews to journalists? Last I heard they were cutting journalists’ heads. Whatever happened to Islamic head removal? Are terrorists all democrats now? You amuse me. Thanks.

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  77. 434

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wow! Goldy posted nothing and this thread already has over 100 comments! That’s more than the pathetic little competing blog gets even when Stefan posts something.

  78. 435

    Don Joe spews:

    Somebody gottta explain her ads to me…

    It’s little surprise to the rest of us that you don’t understand Burner’s ads. After all, you still don’t grok the fact that fractions have both a numerator and a denomnator.

  79. 436

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    “I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not crying about how bad everyone else is or taking money from Mr. Abramhoff (I’d like to suck his cock too)”.- Rep. Bob Ney

  80. 437

    spews:

    I but the wingnuts didn’t bother to watch HBO last night with the voting lines a half mile long in metropolitan areas of Ohio, and voting machines galore in rural Ohio. As long as Bush won (sic) that’s all that counts right wingnuts? A couple million uncounted Kerry votes boo hoo right? Stealing Americans right to vote is the worst crime I can think of. That and protecting pedophiles.

    Fascist Traitors.

    Americans are sick of Republican Scum.

    Even Republicans are sick of Republican Scum.

    I should know, I used to be one of them.

    I think Vlad the Impaler has the proper treatment for the disease of being Republican.

    I think impalement is too good for the average Republican. The crime of treason, which is what calling yourself a Republican these days amounts to should carry a penalty far worse than impalement.

  81. 439

    The Socialist spews:

    38#

    we don’t have any illegal immigrants here except Canadians that get lost on the way home after a few to many Mollsons at the bar.

    and im not sure if Canadian no how to vote . so we have no worries up here on the northern tear you just don’t worry your little Californian republican head about it .

    I mean you do have the terminator as your governor so I hardly think you have any thing to say about any other state sheesh.

  82. 440

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    Next for your review Roger Rabbit. This is the real world. Something you and your furballettes do not live in:

    “ELECTION 2006
    Lawmaker: Terrorists
    right about Democrats
    GOP congressman reacts to militants’
    endorsement of ‘party of cut-and-run’

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: November 3, 2006
    12:41 p.m. Eastern

    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

    Leaders of Mideast terrorist organizations such as the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad are right – in one way, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

    Terrorists interviewed by WorldNetDaily suggested Americans should vote for Democrats Tuesday, because the party’s plan to remove U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory.

    Tancredo today told WND the assessment is hard to dispute.

    “I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

    “They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

    “In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into, and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

    Multiple messages left over the course of two days seeking comment from the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Leadership Council, the offices of Sens. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton and others were not returned to WND.

    The Republican National Committee also did not return a message asking for comment.

    The president’s recent statements also have given the terrorists reason to hope for better results should the Democrat Party leadership be in power rather than the existing decision-makers.

    “The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction,” Bush said during a recent campaign stop.

    “Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

    “But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

    His comments were on the same subject being discussed by those terrorist leaders this week.

    “Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

    “This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

    Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

    They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.

    They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

    Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

    Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

    Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

    “As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

    Bush’s comments came on a campaign swing through southern states, where he was stumping for Republican candidates in a mid-term election that could leave either Republicans or Democrats in control of Congress, and terrorists a focal point of many debates.

    “We will defeat them,” he promised. “We’ll defeat them because our commanders on the ground have all the flexibility necessary to make sure that we constantly stay ahead of the enemy. We’ll defeat them because we got a fantastic United States military,” he said.

    “We will succeed in Iraq because the Iraqis want to live in a peaceful society. Twelve million – nearly 12 million defied car-bombers and assassins and terrorists and went to vote. … And I believe strongly that they’ll become a government of the people, and by the people, and for the people.

    “As a matter of fact, I believe the only way we cannot succeed is if we leave before the job is done,” he said.

    Bush said Democrats have talked a lot about different plans to deal with terrorism.

    “They’ve come up with a lot of creative ways to describe leaving Iraq before the job is done. Sometimes they say, ‘immediate redeployment.’ Sometimes they say they wouldn’t spend another dime on our troops. Sometimes they say the idea that we’re going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong. However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses,” he said.

    But in a statement on their website, the Democrats said, “We will protect Americans at home and lead the world by telling the truth to our troops, our citizens and our allies. We believe in a strong national defense that is both tough and smart, recognizing that homeland security begins with hometown security.”

    “Democrats have a plan that is comprehensive – from repairing our military, to winning the war on terror, to protecting our homeland security, to ensuring success in Iraq and freeing America of its dependence on foreign oil – and it will finally prepare America for the security needs of the 21st Century. And we honor the sacrifices our troops, their families and veterans by making sure we take care of them when they come home,” the statement continued.

    A new New York Times poll also indicated that Americans believe the U.S. will pursue a “quicker exit from Iraq” should the Democrats be in control. The survey said Americans believe the Democrats “have coalesced around a general position of finding a way to reduce or end American involvement in Iraq” but it also noted “there is substantial disagreement among Democratic Congressional leaders and candidates about exactly how to accomplish that.”

    “Nearly 75 percent of respondents, including 67 percent of Republicans and 92 percent of Democrats, said they expected that Americans (sic) troops would be taken out of Iraq more swiftly under a Democratic-led Congress.”

    The poll said 41 percent of respondents said they expected that troop levels would decrease if Democrats won control, while 40 percent said the party would seek to remove all troops. Forty-one percent said that they expected troop levels to remain the same if Republicans won, while 29 percent said they thought the United States would send more troops if the Republicans continued to control Congress.

    Vice President Dick Cheney has reinforced Bush’s plans:

    “Time and time again, we’re seeing examples of Democratic Party leaders apparently having lost their perspective concerning the nature of the enemy we face, and the need to wage this fight aggressively,” he said in a campaign stop this week. “No sharper example can be found than the Democratic Party chairman himself, Howard Dean, who said the capture of Saddam Hussein didn’t make America any safer.”

    Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, told WND the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

    “We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

    Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

    “[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

    Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

    In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

    Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

    WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

    Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.”

    He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

    I guess John Murtha is right? Wrong!

  83. 441

    RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

    why did you do that buttnuts ? what so you can pick of the tax tap from the rich cheap skates.

    If that passes you property tax are going to go way up.

    Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 10:55 pm

    I vote for Eyeman initiatives as well. I am sure there will be more in the future. Not worried.

  84. 442

    The Socialist spews:

    why did you do that buttnuts ? what so you can pick of the tax tap from the rich cheap skates.

    If that passes you property tax are going to go way up.

  85. 443

    RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

    Mike?! McGavick is a Republican (although he doesn’t want you to know that).

    Really, so he acts like a tax and spender? Yeah right. I voted for him as well. On Tuesday I am oging to vote for him again in KC. Hey if the dems can vote twice why cant we.

  86. 445

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    46

    Hey I admire you up there in KC. You just flat out steal elections with no questions asked. Why the hell do you think we got Logan down here now. Why go out and have illegals vote when you can just find a bag or two of ballots.

  87. 446

    Democrats Rule spews:

    “I am Democrat – I have no clue about islamofascism. When shown the thoughts of islamofascists in writing, I bury my head in the sand. Nancy Pelosi is right – the islamofascists will stop. They are wrong. When I say I support cut and run, I don’t understand why we just can’t get along. When I say I support cut and run it doesn’t leave Israel in real danger. Why should I care about Israel? I am Democrat. That’s the job for neocon losers. I only care about getting into your pocketbook. I like taxes. All kinds of taxes. I want to be like many European socialist states. I really like France. Those muslim riots are great stories. I care less about what happens overseas. Yes, I am careless! I care less about religion. Hitler was right about religion. Karl Marx was right about religion. That’s why I am Democrat, I hate religion. I have the MSM in my pocket.”

    “Finally, my actions always are louder than my words.”

  88. 447

    danw spews:

    You suck Mike Webb.

    What do you three cut and pastes say? We interviewed terrorists and they want Democrats because they want us out?
    Well fucking Duh!
    Even if these interviewies didn’t have their testicles attached to a car battery in Abu Garib.
    They know as well as all of the fucking world, that there is no dealing in anyway to come to a solution with this administration.
    They will have to keep dying as well as our young people. Because this fuckwad only knows diplomacy with killing.

    And now to find out about the war profiteering going on while 1000’s of people are dying. This group is gonna have a lot of splainen to do. Now the reconstruction theifs want to bail, without doing fucking anything but stealing money.
    Speak of Cut and Run. Go fuck up Iraq, kill their people, promise reconstruction then don’t do it, then tell them them you need to put a democracy in this cesspool we have left you. We have made enough profit for now.
    Fucking Treasonous war profiteers.

    Everyone is tired of this war including those on the make for 73 virgins…they are running out of virgins.

    They want democrats, because they know that we are going to have to make YOUR Mia Culpa for making the mideast a cesspool.

    They know we are the ones who are going to try to mend relationships with the rest of the world, that Bushco has fucked up.

    Just like anytime we have a GOP President, it takes the next Democrat to fix the fucking mess you leave, we have to raise taxes to pay for YOUR irresponsible credit card spending.

    So next time you want to say Democrats are ‘obstructionists’
    We’ll reply ‘Thank you’. somebody has to be there to slow down the carnage that you leave for us to fix. Both abroad and domestically.

  89. 448

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Here’s what moonbats are running against:

    1) Record high employment.
    2) Record low interest rates.
    3) Record high stock market
    4) Zero attacks since 911
    5) Global warming fixed
    6) Home ownership at all time high.

    Campaigning against peace and prosperity. How’s that going?

  90. 449

    JDB spews:

    Doofus Limbaugh:

    You do realize the article you post mostly blames the Republican Congress for not making it easier for the military oversees to vote?

    According to the committee’s study, “Military and Overseas Absentee Voting in the 2004 Election,” the largest problem in managing military absentee ballots is not hostile attorneys, but rather what military historians call “the tyranny of distance” – the unavoidable difficulties inherent in getting ballots to our deployed military people serving overseas.

    During the election in 2000, the study found that, 30 percent of military personnel did not receive their ballot in time to cast a vote. When you combine that figure with the number of votes that were tossed out for various reasons – including arriving to the absentee voters via snail mail past voting deadlines – you can see that the scope of the problem is enormous.

    I guess it is the Republicans that don’t want the military to vote, since they are the ones that set the laws.

    Thanks for making that clear Doofus.

  91. 451

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    151

    What kind of SCUMBAGS would challenge the voting rights of SOLDIERS DEPLOYED IN IRAQ?

    Republicans.

    P.S., what the GOP did to those soldiers was also racist and a federal felony.

  92. 453

    harry poon spews:

    I wonder what they serve for communion at Ted Haggard’s mega church? Probably white bread and grape juice. Anything more and it would cut into his drugs and whoring.

  93. 454

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Got any more smartass cracks about military votes, “Francine”? Let me ask you something.

    Why do Republicans work so hard to keep American soldiers from voting in their own country, yet they’re willing to squander those same soldiers’ lives to give “democracy” to Iraqis?

  94. 455

    For the Clueless spews:

    This week, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry dumped $1 million from their campaign war chests into Democrat coffers. They answered the call of liberal groups who are pressing Democrats to pour tens of millions into a final push to gain control of Congress.

  95. 456

    harry poon spews:

    re 75: Did you work with Mark Foley? Are any of the other fine Republicans you worked with in jail?

    Do you see a connection between all this “Homeland” crap and the German “Fatherland ” propaganda of the German Nazi era. I see it.

    How do you “lose” $8 billion of our tax dollars in Iraq.. Bechtel is pulling out after charging American Taxpayers $2.5 billion for work they never did.

    Republicans are a criminal disgrace and a bunch of domineering jackbooted thugs and if you steal this election you will get what’s coming — of that you can be sure.

  96. 457

    The Socialist spews:

    I think there gona lead sadum out and shoot him on monday to help the republicans get elected tuesday

  97. 458

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    To Roger Rabbit and his friends, there are only two worlds left: terrorist free or terrorist controlled. Apparently are for the latter. Why? Below is an article with real names, not one with anonymous entries from unnamed sources!

    “Terrorists love Democrats: “By Aaron Klein
    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

    JERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday’s midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

    The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are “tired.”

    They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed. Of course, donk and islamofascists think alike!

    They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

    “Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

    “This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

    Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

    Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

    Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

    “As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

    Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

    “We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

    Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

    “[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

    The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America’s war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq.

    President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region

    The debate became especially poignant following remarks by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the 2004 presidential candidate who voted in support of the war in Iraq. Earlier this week he intimated American troops are uneducated, and it is the uneducated who “get stuck in Iraq.”

    Kerry, under intense pressure from fellow Democrats, now says his remarks were a “botched joke.”

    Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi’s comments on Iraqi insurgency

    Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

    In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

    Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

    WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

    Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.” – Moonbats how come the CNNs of the world could not find these Muslims? Or I think they didn’t want to show America the real enemy. They were scooped!

    He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

    Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would “mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America).”

    “Therefore, a victory in Iraq would be a greater defeat for America than in Vietnam.”

    Jaara said vacating Iraq would also “reinforce Palestinian resistance organizations, especially from the moral point of view. But we also learn from these (insurgency) movements militarily. We look and learn from them.”

    Hamas’ Abu Abdullah argued a withdrawal from Iraq would “convince those among the Palestinians who still have doubts in the efficiency of the resistance.” Did you say cut and run emboldens their resistance?

    “The victory of the resistance in Iraq would prove once more that when the will and the faith are applied victory is not only a slogan. We saw that in Lebanon (during Israel’s confrontation against Hezbollah there in July and August); we saw it in Gaza (after Israel withdrew from the territory last summer) and we will see it everywhere there is occupation,” Abdullah said.

    While the terror leaders each independently urged American citizens to vote for Democratic candidates, not all believed the Democrats would actually carry out a withdrawal from Iraq.

    Saadi stated, “Unfortunately I think those who are speaking about a withdrawal will not do so when they are in power and these promises will remain electoral slogans. It is not enough to withdraw from Iraq. They must withdraw from Afghanistan and from every Arab and Muslim land they occupy or have bases.”

    He called both Democrats and Republicans “agents of the Zionist lobby in the U.S.”

    Abu Abdullah commented once Democrats are in power “the question is whether such a courageous leadership can [withdraw]. I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so. I tell the American people vote for withdrawal. Abandon Israel if you want to save America. Now will this Happen? I do not believe it.”

    Still Jihad Jaara said the alternative is better than Bush’s party.

    “Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world.” – Now where did he hear that except from the fringe moonbats!

  98. 459

    For the Soulless spews:

    That’s fair. It’s both sides of the issue. The president’s minister is a crack smoking gay whoremonger and Kerry has bad timing on a punchline.

    You got 3 days to spin that.

  99. 460

    For the Soulless spews:

    Ted Haggard is an allegory of the Republican character that resonates with every man woman and child in this country who hasn’t sold their soul for a mess of pottage.

    Ted Haggard is a man who, although gay himself, made a life persecuting other gays in the name of God for his own profit. Is Ted Haggard the Good Samaritan who reached out with the hand of Christian love to the person he perceived as a sinner. He most certainly is not!

    Ted Haggard, like Republicans everywhere, hypocritically inflamed the credulous against those who just were who they were. He exploited a prejudice to line his own pockets all the while cynically practicing that which he taught others to loath.

    And all on the taxpayers’ (his paishioners) dime!

    YOU ARE INDEED A GENERATION OF VIPERS!!

    And if you don’t know who I’m quoting here, I feel sorry for you…

  100. 461

    The Socialist spews:

    oh gosh im sorry I no you republican get so up set at any one counting the votes . At lest we didn’t have the supreme count appoint or candidate. and we actually counted all the votes in the whole state and made sure they were counted accurately im sorry if that bothers you.

    And our secretary of state a republican certified the election was fair and accurate.

  101. 462

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    If you are talking about the ‘04 election, you have been mis-informed. A judge found that the only illegal votes were for Dino Rossi, the Republican. But fortunately the system worked, so they were not able to “steal” the election as you say. So you shouldn’t accuse them of that like you do.

    Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 8:20 pm

    You mean the ballots they found at the second….. wait was that the second count….. no Rossi won….. oh that is right the third count were all illegal votes for Rossi? Wow that is news to me.

  102. 463

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    191

    John Kerry can’t tell a joke. Commentby For the Soulless— 11/4/06@ 8:25 am

    Tell us something we don’t know.

  103. 464

    For the Soulless spews:

    Why are rich Floridians so sanguine about sending a child molesting pervert to Congress? Where’s the outrage?

  104. 465

    The Socialist spews:

    from the SPUSA Statement of Principles
    The SOCIALIST PARTY strives to establish a radical democracy that places people’s lives under their own control — a non-racist, classless, feminist, socialist society in which people cooperate at work, at home, and in the community…A society based on radical democracy, with power exercised through people’s organizations, requires a socialist transformation from below. People’s organizations cannot be created by legislation, nor can they spring into being only on the eve of a revolution…Our tactics in the struggle for radical democratic change reflect our ultimate goal of a society founded on principles of egalitarian, non-exploitative and non-violent relations among all people and between all peoples…Our aim is the creation of a new social order, a society in which the commanding value is the infinite preciousness of every woman, man and child

  105. 466

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Here’s what rightwing traitors are running on:

    1) Record high under-employment
    2) A reduction in earning power
    3) A stock market that’s hardly any better off than it was six years ago when Baby Bush stole his office.
    4) Unsolved anthrax attacks since 911
    5) Highest trade deficits in history
    6) Highest trade deficits in history
    7) A world that’s less safe because of the war in Iraq (according to Bush’s own intel)

    I can tell you how that’s going for the righties….just look at the polls. They’re getting their asses kicked.

    How’s it feel to be a traitor, a closeted gay republican man, a coward AND to be on the looooosing side Mark The Cowardly Redneck?

  106. 467

    Robert spews:

    Andrew Sullivan: This isn’t an election – it’s an INTERVENTION!

    Sorry Reichart and McGavick – maybe in saner times you could get elected – but not now.

  107. 470

    For the Clueless spews:

    BOSTON – A radio talk show host was fired Friday after he made a derogatory comment about the weight and sexuality of the Green-Rainbow party candidate running for Massachusetts governor.

    WRKO-AM pulled host John DePetro from the air after he made the comments Thursday. It announced Friday that he had been fired.

    “In the context of what he said and the tone with which he said it, the comments were completely inappropriate, derogatory and will not be tolerated,” said Jason Wolfe, the vice president of AM programming and operations for station owner Entercom Boston.

    DePetro did not immediately return an e-mailed request for comment Friday, however, he told The Boston Globe in a story posted Friday on its Web site that he was “stunned” that he had been fired.

    He said he had called the candidate, Grace Ross, to apologize for calling her a “fat lesbian.”
    The host, who calls himself the “Independent Man,” said he made the remark because he was exasperated that Ross and independent candidate Christy Mihos were eating up time during a debate earlier in the week that included Republican candidate Kerry Healey and Democrat Deval Patrick.

    He said it was then that he told listeners he wished someone would “tell the fat lesbian to shut up.”

    “I just think both her and Christy have served their purpose and I had a problem with them still thrusting themselves into the debate,” he told the Globe. “I think I vocalized what a lot of people were thinking – will you just shut up and let them go at it. I added a little more.”

    Ross, who is openly gay, laughed when she heard about it but said the comment was offensive.

    “Big, fat? I guess that’s supposed to be his way of saying he doesn’t like somebody,” she said.

    After hearing DePetro had been fired, she said: “I think that the comment was offensive in general, so I hope that many people in the state were offended by it and will help set a standard of what political debate is supposed to be about.”

    DePetro had also been reprimanded by station management in July for using a slur often aimed at gays in reference to Matt Amorello, the former chairman of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority.

    Wolfe said that after DePetro was suspended in that case, the host was warned that “any further comments of this kind would be dealt with in a severe way.”

  108. 471

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    RECRUITERS TELL KIDS IRAQ WAR IS OVER

    From ABC News:

    Cameras Show Army Recruiters Misleading Students

    (Nov. 3) — An ABC News undercover investigation showed Army recruiters telling students that the war in Iraq was over, in an effort to get them to enlist.

    ABC News and New York affiliate WABC equipped students with hidden video cameras before they visited 10 Army recruitment offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.

    “Nobody is going over to Iraq anymore?” one student asks a recruiter.

    “No, we’re bringing people back,” he replies. “We’re not at war. War ended a long time ago,” another recruiter says. …

    One Colorado student taped a recruiting session posing as a drug-addicted dropout. … The recruiters … helped him cheat to sign up.

    During the ABC News sessions, some recruiters told our students if they enlisted, there would be little chance they’d to go Iraq. But Col. Robert Manning, who is in charge of U.S. Army recruiting for the entire Northeast, said that new recruits were likely to go to Iraq. …

    ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn’t like the Army, you could just quit. …”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yjm3v4

  109. 472

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    McGavick claims in his mailer that he “isn’t afraid to buck his own party when it comes to making the hard decisions to control federal spending.” Sooooooo …

    … if Mike?! represented us in the U.S. Senate, would he vote FOR or AGAINST continued funding for the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, then he’s FOR waste, fraud, and abuse — and PROTECTING corrupt Republican politicians and crooked Republican contractors!

    Would somebody please ask him at his next campaign appearance?!

    Mike?! is the problem, not the solution.

  110. 474

    For the Clueless spews:

    Almost forgot. The extreme right-wingers believe in a huge helping of corruption for their benefit to go along with their endless wars and death.

  111. 475

    Anonymous spews:

    I am a senior citizen.
    During the Clinton Administration I had an extremely good and well paying job.
    I took numerous vacations and had several vacation homes.
    Since President Bush took office, I have watched my entire life change for the worse.
    I lost my job.
    I lost my two sons in that terrible Iraqi War.
    I lost my homes.
    I lost my health insurance.
    As a matter of fact I lost virtually everything and became homeless.
    Adding insult to injury, when the authorities found me living like an animal, instead of helping me, they arrested me.
    I will do anything that Senator Kerry and Senator Kennedy want to insure that a Democrat is back in the White House.
    Bush has to go.

    Sincerely,
    Saddam Hussein

  112. 476

    For the Clueless spews:

    We live in a world of curious euphemisms. There are things we want to say at times but cannot. So we say them in different ways.

    For instance, whenever we say Pakistan, what we really mean is Muslim. When we say Pakistan is behind something, what we actually mean is: These Muslims are behind it. But since it’s still politically incorrect to blame an entire community, and a minority one at that, we blame it on Pakistan. Pakistan , to the average Indian, incorrectly I dare say, represents all that is wrong with Islam. Every time we blame Pakistan, we are actually blaming Muslims.

    For we, or at least a very large section among us, are veering around to the belief that a secular India is not a place for Muslims- for Muslims owe allegiance, first and foremost to Islam, not to any nation.

    While this may not be entirely true, as I know many Muslims who swear by India and secularism just as I know many Arabs who swear by Palestine, not Islam, the truth is also that, worldwide, Muslims appear to be firming up in their belief that their faith is more important than their nationality. That Allah is more important than India or UK or Saudi Arabia. We read about this daily. We watch it on TV.

  113. 477

    JDB spews:

    Sucks Mike Web:

    Strange how you forget to mention the Al Qaeda missive that talked about how great Bush was for them by starting the war in Iraq which increased their recruiting.

    And isn’t the proof of your lie the fact that Al Qaeda has not attacked this week? After all, if they wanted to get Democrats into office, they would show how weak Bush is. Instead they are laying low this election. Actual Proof that Al Qaeda wants Republicans to win.

  114. 478

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    95

    Why should heirs get income without paying income or capital gains taxes when workers and small investors don’t?

    I agree, repeal the Estate Tax — and tax inheritances as ordinary income with the same exemptions and deductions that people who EARN their money get!

  115. 479

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    100

    And if they win a majority next week, she will become the first woman speaker of the House, two impeachments away from the presidency.

  116. 481

    For the Soulless spews:

    If you’ve sold out and given up on your dreams, you just might be a Republican. (HEHE)

  117. 482

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Just saw one of burners’s ads on TV… I don’t get it… Apparently voting for a strong economy, low unemployment, national security, and fixing global warming is a bad thing. Seems to me she is making Reichert’s case for him.

    Somebody gottta explain her ads to me…

  118. 483

    For the Clueless spews:

    Hey WOS – the way you deal with terrorists is kill them, cut off their funding, eliminate the need for people to join their causes. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    The way wingnuts deal with them is to publish their views in wingnut publications, spreading fear for the purpose of maintaining power.

    All you guys care about is power. And once you get it, you abuse it and screw everything up. That’s why you have to go.

  119. 488

    RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

    The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.

    Commentby For the Clueless— 11/3/06@ 10:17 pm

    Yep, did that.

  120. 489

    RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

    No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period.

    Amen

    No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period = no goverment. Save the military and police though.

  121. 490

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    212

    That’s Bill Gates-speak for “quit wasting my time; if you can’t do better than that, leave the room.”

  122. 491

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    There’s nothing the cheap labor conservatives would like better than to get their riches tax-free!

    No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period.

    And they didn’t work for it. It came from other people’s work. The whole point of being a Republican is to live off other people’s labor so you don’t have to work!

  123. 492

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Would Mike?! McGavick LIE about ratting out a bus driver with a twitchy finger like Rubberstamp Reichert did? I bet he would! He LIED about privatizing Social Security and he LIED about Cantwell raising taxes on Social Security benefits! You just can’t trust Republican liars.

    Mike?! is the problem, not the solution.

  124. 493

    For the Soulless spews:

    Can you imagine the uproar in this country if John Kerry’s pastor turned out to be what Tim Haggard is? You’d never hear the end of it.

  125. 494

    danw spews:

    The Churches are just big business’s. The like of Haggard, Dobson, Falwell and Robertson selling fear of a life after.
    They are just like the Life insurance industry, selling crap that does you no good in this life. All the while the executives are lining their pockets….and it’s TAX FREE. Maybe it’s the best business going, but just a business.

  126. 495

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Pretty revealing huh? The vote hasn’t even been held yet and the Goopers are already screaming “FRAUD!”

  127. 496

    ArtFart spews:

    I almost don’t dare hope for it, but it appears that the right may indeed lose control of Congress next Tuesday. If so, they’ve brought it on themselves by believing their own bullshit.

  128. 498

    Daddy Love spews:

    84 Francine

    How did KC do in reconciling votes cast to registered voters?

    Reconcilation is not and never has been intended to provide a 1:1 match between registeredvoters and ballots cast. Voter registration rolls are always in flux, while ballots cast are a snapshot. The meaning you attach to the discrepancy is an expression of your ignorance.

  129. 501

    For the Clueless spews:

    Hey! My last true post yesterday was at 9:52 pm then some jerk-off (probably DOOFUS or WOS) started posting in my name.

    I bet it was ASS. Sounds like something she’d do.

    These wingnuts are getting super desperate.

  130. 502

    harry poon spews:

    re 95: I don’t know why you cut annd paste a bunch of propaganda. We’ve deconstructed every piece of crap you are laying down on this thread.

    There is no reason on this earth or in the Constitution of this great land that gives anyone the right to tie up the wealth of this nation in the hands of the few.

    Your “legacy” is pain, want, hunger and thirst, disease, drought and the ruination of this planet.

    I’ve worked all my life to build my life. I see no reason why a man should work for 20 years and pay taxes on a million dollars and another should inherit a million and pay none.

    Your father paid taxes on the money — not you. There’s no free lunch.

  131. 503

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    IRAQ WAR? WHAT IRAQ WAR?

    “WASHINGTON (CNN) — As she fights for her political life, Ohio Republican Rep. Deborah Pryce distanced herself Thursday from the Iraq war, telling CNN Radio, ‘What’s happening in Iraq is not a direct reflection on me.’

    “The seven-term representative is the House Republican Caucus chairwoman, the fourth highest-ranking position in the House … experts say her current race with Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy is a toss-up.

    “Pryce made the remark Tuesday in an interview at a Columbus, Ohio, factory. When pressed by CNN on whether her position as a House leader connected her to the volatile situation in Iraq, Pryce objected to the interruption of her remarks and said the interview was over.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or (c) info see http://tinyurl.com/y7qvb4

    Roger Rabbit Comment: Yeah, cupcake, THAT war. Your party OWNS this turkey! You fucking voted for it, so don’t pretend you had nothing to do with it.

    P.S. – are you one of those Republicans who questioned the patriotism of people who thought this war was a BAD IDEA? I hope you fucking LOSE on Tuesday, bitch.

  132. 505

    RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

    I just won’t put up with any more.

    Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 10:21 pm

    Hold that thought. Let’s see how you feel Wednesday morning. Ah that is going to be funny. heheehe

  133. 507

    Don Joe spews:

    Webbsterino, there’s just one problem with your three posts. “Winning” in Iraq, at least in the military sense, is no longer possible. Why, because the Commander in Chief that you helped to elect has been the most incompetent CiC in our history.

    Read this:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11...../newsweek/

    Or, better yet, read this:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15.....?nav=slate

    You see, sport, before you can make this whole “cut and run” argument stick, you have to define “winning” in such a way as to make it achievable. You and the right-wing clowns whom you let do your thinking for you have never adequately defined what “winning” means.

  134. 508

    For the Clueless spews:

    BOSTON — By now you may think that “San Francisco Liberal” is her last name. “Nancy Pelosi San Francisco Liberal” is being used to frighten voters everywhere from Indiana to Georgia to Scarborough Country. She’s caricatured as “Michael Moore,” “a specter hanging like a cloud over America,” and a woman waiting to rule the country with “illegal immigrants” and a “radical homosexual agenda.”

    But if being demonized is the price for power, Pelosi is willing to pay it. The Democratic leader may not be renowned for delivering the party message, but she’s great at keeping the House Democrats on message. And if they win a majority next week, she will become the first woman speaker of the House, two heartbeats away from the presidency.

  135. 509

    harry poon spews:

    I’m tellin’ you this election stealing by Republicans has gone far enough. If people object to a totalitarian regime and you Republicans start pulling guns on them there is going to be chaos and you will be crushed.

    If someone like you is strutting around with a gun thinking to intimidate , some one like me will take it from you. You don’t know what you are playing with.

  136. 510

    danw spews:

    Bill Maher was Awesome tonight (comes back on later)
    The opening skit is perfect, but the final new rule rocks.

    PS I haven’t read the string, but go to hell you Nazi’s anyway.

  137. 511

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    I’m tellin’ you this election stealing by Republicans has gone far enough. If people object to a totalitarian regime and you Republicans start pulling guns on them there is going to be chaos and you will be crushed.

    If someone like you is strutting around with a gun thinking to intimidate , some one like me will take it from you. You don’t know what you are playing with.

    Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 9:13 pm

    Blah,blah. When a donk says an election was stolen they are just being a sore loser. More hot air from a blathering liberal. As far as the threats go I will borrow a line from your side, BRING IT ON.

  138. 512

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    You got one thing right, republicans have betrayed the illegal voter. No big loss, they all vote democrat anyways.

  139. 513

    The Socialist spews:

    you have been out drinking with the lma agien haven;t you rabit

    Well I guess it is friday night :-)

  140. 514

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    REPUBLICAN TRIES TO KILL IRAQ FRAUD INVESTIGATIONS

    “Senators Push to Keep Iraq Fraud Investigator
    “By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY
    “AP

    “WASHINGTON (Nov. 3) – Senate supporters of an investigator’s office that has unearthed waste and fraud in the rebuilding of Iraq say they will try to keep it alive, setting up a potential showdown with a Republican lawmaker who helped pass legislation to shut it down. …

    “The agency’s work has resulted in four criminal convictions and, most recently, evidence that a Halliburton subsidiary exploited federal regulations to hide details on its contract performance. …

    Earlier this year, (Sen.) Collins pushed through the Senate a measure that would … (keep) the IG office in business. But that provision … was stripped … (by) Rep. Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. …

    “Democrats said the office was being killed by Hunter, R-Calif., and other administration loyalists to bury bad news.”

    This article is quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info, vote for me or click on http://tinyurl.com/yf9hqc

    Roger Rabbit Comment: Only 4 more days! Investigations! Subpoenas! Frog Marches! Trials! Pink Jumpsuits!

    Mike?! McGavick is the problem, not the solution

  141. 515

    David spews:

    Had an interesting conversation with a bar owner last weekend. His lawyer and he are planning on getting payment from the state for the smoking ban if I-933 passes.

  142. 516

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    This is worth repeating:

    Editorial
    The Great Divider
    Published: November 2, 2006

    As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

    Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

    It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

    But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

    This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

    http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

    (Quoted under Fair Use)

  143. 517

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    And how can you be against people who go around “buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage.” Without that, there would be no talk radio for wingnuts.

    Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 8:00 pm

    Damn, you make it sound like they are taking money from little boys and girls and then turning around and claiming bankruptcy. Hey that sounds familiar. hehehehee

  144. 519

    Daddy Love spews:

    36 Americ afirst

    How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage

    Hey, the real score was when our secret Democratic crack whore operatives got the president of the American Evangelical Assocation to admit to it. Well, that and the e-mails and tapes.

  145. 520

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    How have the Republicans betrayed the soldiers? I can sum that up in two words:

    Operation Helmet

    Folks — really now … when a Hollywood star has to raise money from the public to buy BATTLE HELMETS for soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn’t that tell you something about the priorities of the people who sent them there?

    Operation Helmet has distributed over 27,000 helmet kits and still needs contributions — the current backlog of requests is over 500 kits.

    Note that these kits are only sent to soldiers who REQUEST them. Why do they request them? Because they can’t get them from the government.

    One more thing: Not one trollfuck has contributed a fucking dime to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ I sent $99. All the trollfucks put together haven’t sent $0.01. Whoooooo supports the troops? I do. Do they support the troops? Noooooo … just blowing smoke.

    Just blowing pink smoke out of their asses. Blowin’ wind. Their faux “patriotism” is blowin’ in the wind.

  146. 521

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    I wuz perty biizzy taday… did jon cary git a perpel hart fer shoting hisef inna foots?

  147. 522

    MtRainier spews:

    Vote with your heart. The only chance these United States have to try and regain our once lofty position in the world order is to gut GWB’s rubber stamp congress and hold him accountable. Now is the time to stand up for your rights and vote Democratic.

  148. 523

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    You are onto something MrRainier. The only way to regain our place in this world is to indict, convict, and incarcerate all the criminal scum running our country right now.

    Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and the rest of the WHIG etc.

    Once the scum are behind bars, we can work on our image…..

    Oh I need to throw a bone to the wingnuts. Yes wingies what the other 5 BILLION people on this planet thinks of us does matter….

  149. 524

    Mike Webb Sucks spews:

    I think my three posts say it all about the cause and how moonbats don’t see the world.

  150. 525

    For the Clueless spews:

    “It’s sad. So sad.
    It’s a sad, sad situation
    And it’s getting more and more absurd
    It’s sad. So sad. Why can’t we talk it over?
    Oh it seems to me
    Sorry seems to be the hardest word.”
    — Elton John

    What is wrong with John Kerry? What is missing from the Massachusetts senator’s makeup that will not allow him to admit that he’s human? And why did he wait so long to clean up a political mess that hurt his party in the short run and damaged his own long-term presidential prospects?

    This is, after all, a guy who called the secret service member assigned to protect his life a “son of a bitch” for colliding with him on a ski slope. When asked later by a reporter about falling down, Kerry angrily declared, “I do not fall down.”

  151. 526

    spews:

    If the Republicans were on the right side of issues they would not have to lie about everything……

    Why doesn’t the GOP tell the truth for once.

    Let’s do it for them.

    We the Republicans care about 2 things. Staying in power by any means necessary, and helping the super rich become super duper rich. Nothing else matters to us. Politics of destruction is all we know. Now shut up and suffer some more America!!!!!

  152. 527

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    1st recount: Gregoire +1289, Rossi +1070, Bennett +69
    2nd recount: Gregoire +919, Rossi +784, Bennett +49

    Funny how ALL 3 candidates GAINED votes!

    So gregoire got more vote on both counts. Whoah what are the odds. Were they counting the same ballots from the first count? There were more ballots added in KC on the second recount. Actually quite a bit more. Did you find out how far off KC was on the reconcillation between votes cast and registered voters? Just more evidence that KC stole the election.

  153. 528

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    75

    “For nearly six years, I have worked with the Republicans in Congress to protect Americans by strengthening our homeland security”

    Let’s recap: Republicans voted AGAINST homeland security!

    Nov. 14, 2001: Senate Democrats propose $15 billion for homeland security; the White House warns against “permanent spending on other projects that have nothing to do with stimulus and that will only expand the size of government.”

    Dec. 4, 2001: Senate Appropriations Committee votes 29-0 in favor of $13.1 billion for homeland security; the next day, Bush threatens to veto it.

    Dec. 6, 2001: Senate Republicans reduce homeland security funding by $4.6 billion.

    Dec. 19, 2001: Under pressure from White House, House-Senate conferees eliminate another $200 million of funding for airport security, port security, nuclear facility security, and postal security.

    June 7, 2002: Senate votes 71-22 for $8.3 billion of homeland security funding; the next day, Bush’s advisors recommend a veto.

    July 19, 2002: Under White House pressure, homeland security funding is further reduced by cutting money for food security, cyber security, nuclear security, airport security, port security, drinking water security, coordination of police and fire radios, and lab testing to detect chem-bio weapons.

    Aug. 13, 2002: Bush decides not to spend $2.5 billion appropriated for homeland security on the grounds of “fiscal responsibility.”

    Jan. 16, 2003: White House reacts to Democratic efforts to increase homeland security funding by stating, “The Administration strongly opposes amendments to add new extraneous spending.” Later that day, Senate Republicans vote against funds for smallpox vaccine.

    Jan. 23, 2003: Senate Republicans cut security funding for the FBI, FEMA, INS, TSA, Coast Guard, and National Nuclear Security Administration.

    Feb. 3, 2003: Bush submits a 2004 budget cutting homeland security funding by nearly 2 percent.

    Feb. 14, 2003: Senate Democrats request money for smallpox vaccine, police and fire radios, and public transportation security; no Republicans support it.

    March 21-25, 2003: Republicans defeat 7 amendments to bolster homeland security.

    April 2, 2003: Senate Republicans reject Democratic amendment to provide $1 billion for port security.

    April 3, 2003: Republicans reject protection of commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles and four other pro-homeland security amendments.

    June 2003: House Republicans reject Democratic proposal to raise $1 billion for homeland security by reducing tax cuts for 200,000 millionaires by an average of $5,000 each (from $88,000 to $83,000).

  154. 529

    Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

    It doesnt matter in the long. At least the right man won the Presidency in 2000 and 2004 despite rampant voter fraud from the dems in both elections.

  155. 530

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Editorial
    The Great Divider
    Published: November 2, 2006

    As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

    In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

    Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

    It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

    But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

    This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

    http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

    (Quoted under Fair Use)

  156. 532

    For the Clueless spews:

    http://www.GOP.com/72hour

    For nearly six years, I have worked with the Republicans in Congress to protect Americans by strengthening our homeland security and pursuing terrorists where they live. Together, with a Republican majority, we passed tax relief that spurred unprecedented growth and now need to make that relief permanent. And, working with Republican leaders in the Senate, we confirmed two extremely qualified Supreme Court Justices who faithfully interpret the Constitution instead of legislating from the bench.

Comments

  1. 533

    My Left Foot spews:

    Conservativefirst @ 9

    Using children as pawns in a politically motivated war, Iraq, then refusing to allow us to see the coffins returning is shamefully wrong too. Personally, I would rather see the short fim featuring a child ACTOR. How about you, asshole?

  2. 534

    KS spews:

    What a friggin idiot ! Her parents (Goldstein ?)were obviously feeding her this garbage to spew out, which is all leftwing secular regressive propaganda and you put it on this blog to appeal to the morons. Are you trying to outdo John Kerry’s gafe ?

  3. 535

    For the Clueless spews:

    Don Joe – for the most part it’s not a mistake, it’s deliberate. The anonymous moron calls people who agree with Goldy in the main “lemmings” is displaying another wingnut trait – projection.

    They, the wingnuts, are the true lemmings. They read the wingnut talking points from all the usual sources and repeat them endlessly – one of them being painting anger and disgust with failed, disastrous Bushite policies as nothing but inchoate hatred for their Dear Leader.

  4. 536

    Nate spews:

    Funny thing happened on the way to hell…

    Her convictions? Shhhheeeeiiiit, likely this “lady” hasn’t even experienced menstural cramps let alone have the experience to possess convictions. But thats just the issue isn’t it, the use of a child to reflect a childish attitude? Nothing from this display could lead reasonable people to any reasonable thoughts about “the message.” The only thing I see here is an attempt to mask lefist intolerance by exploiting a youthful non-white face. That is the only message here. Of course if a “God damn Christian” would go medieval on someones’s ass(es)much as the little darling intimates, then we would have a crisis intolerance now wouldn’t we?

    Interested though, to know if either the the characture in the video or any of her living relatives have really seen what “medieval” can really be? Just remember, stay out of the orange jumpsuit when asked to appear on Al Jazeera…

  5. 537

    Anonymous spews:

    glopstien and his lemmings/apologizers haven’t figured out the difference between DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN and DO IT TO THE CHILDREN, nor do they seem to grasp the difference between F*CKING and PROCREATING.

    GOOD!

  6. 538

    Don Joe spews:

    Clueless, conservatives have this knack for mistaking anger and disgust for hatred. I’ve yet to figure out how they manage to be so indiscriminating.

    But, you really do have to wonder. When their children do things that make conservatives angry, do these conservatives start hating their children? That would certainly explain a lot.

  7. 541

    Daddy Love spews:

    DOn Joe

    Actress or not, using a child to as a propoganda tool is wrong.

    Your opinion is noted. Don’t try to make it mine.

  8. 542

    Daddy Love spews:

    51 artistdogboy

    Is the kid that percousious or being heavily directed by some misguided adult?

    Um, she’s an actor delivering lines from a script.

  9. 543

    Don Joe spews:

    Conservative,

    Ok, so now you’ve followed the link, but didn’t actually read the article. Go back and read it again. The ad discussed there exploited children just as much as the video Goldy posted.

    Please try to keep the issues strait. It’s not about the message that’s being delivered. It’s about the use of children in delivering the message. Of course, given that you clearly can’t keep the key issues straight, it’s no wonder you whinge about whether or not what I’ve linked is relevant.

    I’m merely noting that using children to deliver the message seems quite alright to you when you agree with the message. You only piss and moan about using children when you don’t agree with the message.

  10. 544

    JDB spews:

    At least nine GOP seats have been affected by scandals and are highly vulnerable to Democratic takeover next week. Foley’s abrupt resignation has jeopardized a Florida House district that had been on no one’s radar screen. Under indictment and amid a swirl of ethics investigations, former House majority leader Tom DeLay (Tex.) resigned from Congress earlier this year, forcing Republicans to mount a long-shot write-in campaign for their chosen candidate. Rep. Robert W. Ney’s guilty plea last month on corruption charges still hangs over the Ohio campaign of his would-be Republican successor, Joy Padgett, especially because Ney still has not resigned from Congress.

    The GOP has all but abandoned longtime Rep. Curt Weldon (Pa.), as federal investigators examine charges that he steered lobbying contracts to his daughter. Weldon went on television yesterday with an ad featuring actors pleading, “Would you give a friend the benefit of the doubt? . . . Today, Curt Weldon needs our support.”

    Republican campaign strategists fear they have also lost the seat of Rep. Don Sherwood (Pa.), who has been dogged by the settlement of a lawsuit filed by a mistress who charged that Sherwood had throttled her.

    Congress watchers once saw the swing seat of Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) as a missed opportunity for Democrats. But now, as the U.S. attorney’s office in Phoenix examines his role in a land deal for a business partner and political benefactor, Renzi’s race with political neophyte Ellen Simon (D) has tightened.

    Farther west, Rep. Jon Porter (R-Nev.) has had to contend with charges lodged last month by a longtime former aide, Jim Shepard, that the lawmaker made dozens of illegal fundraising calls from his congressional offices. And two reliably Republican districts in California are under assault by Democrats because Reps. Richard W. Pombo and John T. Doolittle have been linked to Abramoff, the lobbyist who pleaded guilty in January to fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy to bribe public officials.

    Beyond those nine jeopardized GOP seats, four other Republicans have been tainted by the Foley page scandal. Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (N.Y.) chose to issue a public apology after he admitted that he had known about inappropriate contact between Foley and a former page this spring. Democrats have repeatedly hit Rep. Deborah Pryce (Ohio), the House Republican Conference chairman, for inaction on the Foley matter. And Democrats have tried to hold two former members of the Page Board, Reps. Sue W. Kelly (N.Y.) and Heather A. Wilson (N.M.), accountable for Foley’s actions.

    Meanwhile, new allegations continue to spring up. Vern Buchanan, a Republican running for the Florida seat vacated by Rep. Katherine Harris (R), was the target of local media reports this week detailing his use of business entities in Caribbean tax havens to reduce levies on his auto dealerships. The Albany Times Union published an article yesterday charging that the wife of Rep. John E. Sweeney (R-N.Y.) called police late last year to report that her husband was “knocking her around” during a late-night argument.

    And Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), who made his name pushing campaign finance changes and governance reforms, was confronted with media reports alleging that a 2003 trip to Qatar — partly funded by a group loosely tied to Abramoff — had not been properly disclosed.

    “The corruption issue plays in two ways: It contributes to the sour mood of the country and to the low job approval of Congress, and it particularly plays in races directly touched by allegations of scandal,” said Republican pollster Whit Ayers. “And in those races, it plays a significant role.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....rrer=email

  11. 545

    Heathen Sinner spews:

    I am a Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a hypocrit and family man. I proclaim self righteousness. I am bigger than God, but an asshole. Hail Hitler!

  12. 546

    Nate spews:

    Well hell, I am suitabley impressed by the immense level worldy experience. I say God damn, this well experienced “lady” just popped right out of da grass possessin’ all that nuance and shit, wit’ nary requirement for parentage other than some magnificient stage of evilution and random act of celluar mitosis. Well mutherphuck me runnin’ it seems all of us aged passed 14 should be charged with grand theft for all the oxygen we have been stealin’ from such a bundle of wisdom. All of those human trash heaps that make them thar bundles of Oprah lovers go to Church (or take out the trash, or do homework…)should be lined up at the trains bound for euthenasia camps…

  13. 547

    Don Joe spews:

    Goldy,

    Don’t you understand? Having a child call Bill-O an idiot is an affront to their conservative sensibilities. The fact that Bill-O happens to be an idiot isn’t.

    By the way, where are my props for the link to the Sadr City seige

  14. 548

    David spews:

    I thought the costume looked like a cross between a 1920’s flapper and greta garbo myself; if you think that makes her look like a whore, take it up with Grandma.

    As far as exploition goes, the young lady hasn’t shared with us whether or not she was forced to make that video or if she wanted to so she could express her views. Until she does, calling it expoitation is just an excuse to keep from thinking about the message.

    My personal feeling is that she would probably kneecap someone who tried to make her do something against her convictions, but thats just me.

  15. 551

    Anonymous spews:

    Hmm. I post a provocative (and amusing) video clip to an open thread, without comment, and that makes me a lunatic, fringe blogger. Commentby Goldy— 11/2/06@ 12:12 pm

    glopstien thinks he’s Kerry… pulls an asshole move then blames to ‘common folk’ who call him on it.

  16. 552

    Eric spews:

    Agreed. Now let’s finally drop our support of Israel. That would take care of 99% of our problems.

  17. 555

    Don Joe spews:

    This “God that doesn’t exist” doesn’t bother me in the least. The people who make outrageous claims about this God telling them to do despicable things tend to concern me a little.

  18. 556

    Aaron spews:

    Commentby Anonymous— 11/2/06@ 9:59 am

    Child whore? WTF are you talking about, your own perverted fantasies?

    She was dressed really cool, like a great dame. Sicko.

  19. 557

    For the Clueless spews:

    That was so cool!!!! I liked the song at the end.

    Hey Wingnuts – is this an example of the coarsening of our culture?

  20. 558

    Anonymous spews:

    Thank God, liberals refuse to/can’t breed and won’t be producing any more child whores.

    Is goldstiens brat brunete?

    I’m just asking.

  21. 559

    Steve H. spews:

    Strange that a God that doesent exist should bother you so much! Sounds like some kind of disorder to me. Professional help is available. Or maybe the problem is that you know down deep that you are wrong. One day every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!

  22. 560

    Daddy Love spews:

    So president Bush thinks Don Rumsfeld is doing a fantastic job in Iraq, and Majority Leader John Boehner agrees. All of the problems we’re having in Iraq are because the generals don’t know what they’re doing, but Rummy does. And/or the other possibility: the troops aren’t executing competently. And these are Republicans saying this. Way to “support the troops” Mr. President. Way to “support the troops,” Mr. Majority Leader.

    These guys don’t deserve to lead.

  23. 561

    Daddy Love spews:

    9 ConservativeFirst

    At least the kid is working, and not a leech sucking the blood out of taxpayers in public school.

  24. 562

    For the Clueless spews:

    wingnuts – no sense of humor whatsoever. Propaganda? That kid was speaking the truth! That was great political theatre/satire. That was art!

  25. 563

    Anonymous spews:

    an “actor” being dressed as a child whore and given a script that reads like a HA devotee is STILL an exploited child… actually even MORE of an exploited chid as her parents are making money off her exploitation, her agent is making money off her exploitation, her cameraman is making money off her exploitation,the makeup artist (although how hard is it to look like a whore)is making money off her exploitation, the ad agency is making money off her exploitation, the “band” is making money off her exploitation a glopstien is making money off her exploitation.

  26. 565

    For the Clueless spews:

    All the right wing morons who bloviate about the breeding rates of liberals are ignoring one thing.

    The greatest recruiter of people to the moderate and liberal ranks are wingnut policies themselves.

    Almost all Iraq veterans running for office are on the Democratic ticket. That speaks for itself.

  27. 567

    For the Clueless spews:

    The guy who runs orbusmax is a wingnut extremist – a “fringe” blogger indeed. He practically makes Sharansky look halfway normal.

  28. 569

    Daddy Love spews:

    49 CF

    I just don’t think using a child to say things that her parents or whomever made this “film” want to espouse is an appropriate way to communicate a disagreement with another person’s views.

    Your opinion is noted. Why don’t you tell us again? And again.

  29. 570

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Jesus = Prince of Peace

    It all depends on what the meaning of peace is right?

    I love Bush’s good vs evil analagy.

    We are good, and they are evil right? We get to kill all of “them” we want right? All in the name of “good” right?

    If they don’t want to give us their stuff we will kill them, or corrupt their leaders.

    Read “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” if you don’t get it.

    I tell you what. If Bush, and the GOP are Christians, I am just the opposite. Period.

    Jesus is with me…….

  30. 571

    midlake bob spews:

    WOW!

    I love it!

    …. and EVERYONE knows video games are Good for the Soul (caliber)…

    religion….. bah humbug!

  31. 572

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    Did Reichert graduate from high school? His bio says he “attended”…never mentions “graudated”. I’m just asking…

  32. 575

    spews:

    ProudAss @62,

    That’s Tom Clendening, he’s the program director at both KIRO and KTTH, and if you’re gonna call and demand that I be fired, I suggest that you at least get his name right.

    So please feel free to give him a call. A talk radio host who generates controversy? Oh gee, that’s gonna hurt my career.

  33. 576

    righton spews:

    Free speech?

    your friend Richard Pope is in Sea Times this am, cuz some gov’t or law group doesn’t like his ads…..

    WTF….why can’t he say near anything? let the public flame him (like we’ve done Darcy) but don’t have his free speech regulated…

  34. 578

    ConservativeFirst spews:

    Commentby Daddy Love— 11/2/06@ 12:15 pm

    “Your opinion is noted. Why don’t you tell us again? And again.”

    I’ll refrain, I don’t want to be like Roger Rabbit. I apologize if I offended your delicate sensibilities.

  35. 579

    ManofTruth spews:

    some looney commenter is posting (rest in hell Gerry Studds)

    Say hello to him when you get there though I think you are more likely to get there than he is

  36. 580

    ConservativeFirst spews:

    Commentby For the Clueless— 11/2/06@ 10:43 am

    “CF – Nobody really “hates” Bush (ok maybe a few).”

    I think more than just a few people here on HA, hate Bush, and are a mirocosm of the country. I think there’s a large contingent of fringe lefties that hate Bush and can’t function because of it. Just like the right wing fringies that hated Clinton so much it paralyzed them.

    “A majority of people in this country merely dislike the guy and the disastrous path down which he and his enablers has sent this country.”

    If you want to disagree with his policies, that’s a whole other matter. I just don’t think using a child to say things that her parents or whomever made this “film” want to espouse is an appropriate way to communicate a disagreement with another person’s views.

    You lefties do realize that “Onward Christian Soliders” is not advocating violence, but instead is compelling Christians to fight in a spiritual war against the evil of Satan.

    “We’d just like to retire the guy to Crawford as soon as possible. He’s blown his opportunity to something worthwhile – big time.”

    Well mark your calendar for 1/20/09. It’ll be a red letter day for you. I saw that Howard Dean said today Democrats won’t try and impeach Bush if they win a majority. I’m not sure I believe him. But if the Dems do win a majority in the House, it’ll be an interesting internal debate in the Democratic Party, since those “few” who hate Bush, seem to talk a lot and talk pretty loudly.

  37. 583

    Daddy Love spews:

    23 Anon

    Thank God, liberals refuse to/can’t breed

    The big deal is that
    1. You’re wrong.
    2. You’re an idiot.
    3. We’re coming.

  38. 584

    Daddy Love spews:

    27 Anon

    So YOU decide who’s exploited, and YOU decide who’s a whore. So like a Republican. Attack the morals of those with whom you have political disagreements. Your time is over.

  39. 586

    ConservativeFirst spews:

    Commentby My Left Foot— 11/2/06@ 9:52 am

    “Using children as pawns in a politically motivated war, Iraq, then refusing to allow us to see the coffins returning is shamefully wrong too. Personally, I would rather see the short fim featuring a child ACTOR. How about you, a**hole? ” (explitive deleted)

    What children were used as pawns in Iraq? The soldiers? Unless they’ve changed the entrance requirements to the military, all military personnel are adults, and joined voluntarily.

    Actress or not, using a child to as a propoganda tool is wrong. Does your virulent hatred of Bush not allow you to see this?

    Commentby Don Joe— 11/2/06@ 9:43 am

    “On the other hand, incorporating them into one’s sexual fantasies while working as a Representative in Congress is just plain sick.”

    I’ll agree with you there. Foley is no longer in Congress, and his seat will likely be held by a Democrat next term. The system apprears to be working, as far as I can tell. Other than to score cheap political points, what are you trying to say? That using a child as a propoganda tool is okay?

    Commentby Daddy Love— 11/2/06@ 9:58 am

    “At least the kid is working, and not a leech sucking the blood out of taxpayers in public school.”

    I’ll assume you are being sarcastic.

  40. 587

    For the Clueless spews:

    CF – Nobody really “hates” Bush (ok maybe a few). A majority of people in this country merely dislike the guy and the disastrous path down which he and his enablers has sent this country.

    We’d just like to retire the guy to Crawford as soon as possible. He’s blown his opportunity to something worthwhile – big time.

  41. 588

    For the Clueless spews:

    23 – Is that ASS hiding in there?

    24 – a wingnut attitude to be sure. That’s why we’re going to change things next Tuesday.

  42. 589

    artistdogboy spews:

    This reminds me of one of those Hezbollah clips with the masked kids with wooden guns marching around an acting as stupid as their parents. Is the kid that percousious or being heavily directed by some misguided adult? For God’s sake let the kid have some fun
    with life before you fill their heads with it the them against us phyco-babble.

  43. 590

    ConservativeFirst spews:

    Commentby Don Joe— 11/2/06@ 10:48 am

    “Conservative, you apparently didn’t follow my link. It referred to a news item about Republicans exploiting children for political purposes. It took me less than 30 seconds with Google to find that link.”

    From the link:
    “Ads Accuse Dems of Not Protecting Kids ”

    “Not that I’d expect consistency out of a conservative, but you really shouldn’t make it this easy.”

    Seems like two completely different things to me. The video posted here directly exploits a child.

    The link you provided is about ads that attack the positions of candidates for office being soft on policies that protect children. In your world a candidate can’t be criticized about their policies if those policies involve children because it’s exploiting children? Strange argument, but alright.

    Maybe you should spend more time on your search next time, to find some information that is actually relevant to the argument at hand.

  44. 593

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Maybe if the Christians weren’t so involved with politics, people wouldn’t want to feed them to the lions…..

  45. 594

    Daddy Love spews:

    No one beleives president Bush any more. He can’t even convince that hardcore 30+%. According to the latest NY Times/CBS poll,
    80 percent said Mr. Bush’s latest effort to rally public support for the [Iraq] conflict amounted to a change in language but not policy. It’s amazing how many Republicans realize that he’s a goddamn liar?

    Wingnuts? Report.

  46. 595

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Using a child as a propaganda tool. How sad.

    Commentby ConservativeFirst— 11/2/06@ 9:28 am

    ——————

    Using the terror alert system to control the media cycle. How criminal.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/w.....erts_x.htm

    This little girl doesn’t fit the Denial “frame” righ? Having children defined by O’Riley is like having Jews defined by NAZIS.

    When are you wingnuts gonna admit the GOP is a bunch of crooked, lying, corrupt, treasonous perverts? Oh, all facts have to support my positions so I take that back. Either they are perverts, or they are protecting perverts!

    By the way, who was Jeff Gannon visiting on his overnight stays at the White House?

    (crickets chirping)

  47. 597

    Daddy Love spews:

    18 Anon

    She’s not an “actor,” she’s an actor. And all those people you disparage are the hard working people that Democrats are rpresanting. No wonder you guys are losing.

  48. 599

    Jack spews:

    about 50 percent sicko

    my daughters are the product of enlightened progressive patenting – and never would we have manged them into something like this

    horrid

  49. 600

    spews:

    This video, amongst other things, is art.

    Apparently, some people are really threatened by art. For example, the local right-wing news aggregator Orbusmax was kind enough to give this post the following headline link:

    I CAN’T BELIEVE 710 KIRO GIVES THIS FRINGE BLOGGER HIS OWN RADIO SHOW. IF YOU NEED ONE MORE REASON TO KEEP LUNATIC DEMOCRATS OUT OF POWER WHEN YOU VOTE NEXT WEEK, HERE IT IS (WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE). WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP.

    Hmm. I post a provocative (and amusing) video clip to an open thread, without comment, and that makes me a lunatic, fringe blogger.

    Exactly what is it about this video that so frightens you guys, that you think it should be suppressed?

  50. 601

    Don Joe spews:

    Conservative, you apparently didn’t follow my link. It referred to a news item about Republicans exploiting children for political purposes. It took me less than 30 seconds with Google to find that link.

    Not that I’d expect consistency out of a conservative, but you really shouldn’t make it this easy.

  51. 602

    dutch spews:

    Sad, very sad, but on the other hand, telling.

    Goldy at 55: No, I don’t think this clip should be surpressed. That’s what makes the US great…free speech and the freedom to voice your opinion. One can do this without insulting or threatening people, or being threatened.

    But this clip also shows where certain people stand. Show this video to any independent or reasonable democrat and tell them: “This is what the democrats or progressive/liberals stand for” and I guarantee you, the democrats will never be in power.

    And fortunately, the people on this board are not the mainstream democrats. And I hope there are still some around.

Comments

  1. 605

    Maria spews:

    I really don’t think John Kerry owes an apology for anything. He is the smartest man I know, besides my best buddy, Ron Dotzauer. And he is really rich! He married an heiress. I guess I should have tried to do the same thing, instead of getting involved with this deadbeat who needed my money to pay off his child support payments.

    But Kerry was trying to insult the President, the guy who isn’t as smart as Kerry, he wasn’t trying to insult the troops! He just got his words wrong. He does that a lot. Like when he accused the troops of terrorizing women and children in Iraq. He claimed that was a job for the Iraqis!

    Oh, got to go. Harry Reid is calling to tell me what to do next . . .

  2. 606

    JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

    95% of military votes [and their families] will vote Republican!!! The turnout will be huge, and the illegal and felon Democrayt vote will be stopped!!!! Thanks, John “Fing” Kerry!!!!!!

  3. 609

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Flaky klaky @22

    “Roger what you are saying is that a Socialist Democrat is above the law and allowed to violate any law as long as it justifies the means. Rep. Jimmy McDermott can do whatever he wants …”

    Nope, all I said was there’s no judgment against McDermott and there won’t be a ruling until next year, and meanwhile there’s no news to report on this case except arcane legal arguments.

    Needless to say, it’s a waste of time to try explaining arcane legal arguments to a wingnut who can’t even spell “to.”

  4. 610

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    15

    ” … an arrogant elitist asshole jerk of the first order. All you guys supported him last time. Now what do you think of your boy?” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/31/06@ 6:57 pm

    True, but I still like our an arrogant elitist asshole jerk better than your arrogant elitist asshole jerk.

  5. 611

    Daddy Love spews:

    John Kerry apologizes:

    “I said it was a botched joke. Of course, I’m sorry about a botched joke,” Kerry, who had refused to apologize on Tuesday, said on the “Imus in the Morning” radio show on MSNBC.

    Will that be the end of it? OF COURSE NOT!

    Republicans can’t run on their record, so they want to talk about ANYTHING but their record. Because of Iraq.

  6. 612

    JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

    I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers.

    Commentby RightEqualsStupid [……Er, like Barney Frank and Gary Studds?]

  7. 613

    For the Clueless spews:

    Kerry mispoke. He tried to make a joke about Shrubya and blew it.

    Mispoke like Darth Cheney about Saddam’s “reconstituted nuclear weapons”.

    Or does Cheney still believe that? Do the wingnuts still believe that?

  8. 615

    ChimpPatrol spews:

    kkk@ 50, I don’t know. Could it have been bush the bitch, cheney the coward and pumsfield the rats lies that convincedhim and the rest of the US to attack the wrong country?

  9. 616

    JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

    Daddy Love, All militay officers are college grads. All Democrats are “Jane Fonda” traitors.

  10. 617

    Craig is very lonely indeed spews:

    129.
    Weren’t you caught red-handed, repeatedly lying about your military service? It’s all archived right here at HA.

    So you fabricate a personal history of military service and then use it to bludgeon anyone who disagrees with you.

    That makes Rove and Cheney look like blood stained war heroes.
    That makes Al Sharpton look like a pillar of honesty and virtue.

  11. 618

    klake spews:

    Oil prices recently reached almost $80 a barrel. But those in-the-know knew it would not stay there — and, in fact, a major price correction was in the works.

    Saudi Arabia’s oil minister Ali al-Naimi is warning that oil price hikes and global oil demand could soon disappear.

    In fact, he is also warning that oil prices could easily “plummet” in the near future.

    Ali al-Naimi said prices could plummet if an economic crisis drives industrialized nations to find other sources of energy, citing the 1980s – when oil prices dropped by 80 percent after such nations reduced their dependency on oil and turned to alternative energy sources.

    ”Global economic growth may not continue at the same good momentum for years to come,” al-Naimi said at the opening of a four-day conference of Arab energy ministers in Amman. ”We should be careful and not take expectations as indisputable, especially the continuation of big demand for oil and its prices remaining at the same level or increasing,” he said.

    What Say You Roger? Now we all know you have all the answers.

  12. 619

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Poor, silly Klake, babbling again. Commentby K— 10/31/06@ 7:40 pm

    Sorry K – Facts hurt the librul mind!

  13. 620

    Daddy Love spews:

    The Kerry flap is a typical Republican 11th hour scam. It ranks right up there with the Busby quote. I don’t know how careful every frickin’ Democrat in the country would have to be to avoid giving them something that they can quote out of context, blow up from nothing to a major issue, and plaster all over friendly media outlets for days.

    If you don’t remember, in the special election to fill convicted Republican felon Randy “Duke Cunningham’s Housae seat, Busby told a Spanish-speaking questioner (who spoke only broken English) that he and others did not need to be registered to vote to help her campaign. She used two phrases in quick succession as she tried to get the concept across to her audience, “registered to vote” and “papers for voting.”

    That wqas quickly picked up by the local Republicans and immediately blasted out in the press as “Busby says ‘You don’t need papers to vote,’ encourages illegal imigrants to vote.” Of course, it was no such thing, but try to get the truth out over the Republican Noise Machine. Heck, every true-blue Republican in this comments section will swear on the Bible that Busby was encouraging illegal immigrans to vote, even though it’s a bald-faced lie. They believe it, though (I think).

    Literal transcription (it was spoken, not written). Remember, this is her response to a Spanish-speaking questioner who said he wanted to help her campaign but lacked voting papers. The question was translated into English and she responded, “Everybody can help. You can all help. You don’t need papers for voting you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.”

    See how it works? Bilbray beat Busby, so the method is vindicated for the GOP. See them go on the Kerry thing. There’s no “there” there, but the noise won’t stop.

  14. 621

    Daddy Love spews:

    Wingers:

    Q: What is Bush doing to reduce sectarian violence (or civil war, depending on your PoV) in Iraq?

    I mean, we’re over there “fighting insurgents,” but what are we doing to reduce sectarian violence? It looks like the largely Shi’ite Interior Ministry is part of the problem, what is the administration doing about it?

    It looks like the insurgent-friendly hands who are everywhere in the police forces and the military (news reports recorded this phenomenon since we started to build those forces) could very well be, and probably are, supplying the insurgency with American-made and American-supplied arms; what is the administration doing about it?

    Many top officers are beginning to think that setting a deadline and moving some troops out would cause the iraqis to move toward taking over sooner, so that the process will not take decades. What is the administration doing about it?

    There are cases of people having had electrical drills forced through their skulls and into their brains. Others have had their eyes burnt out. Many had hands bound by tape or handcuffs.” This kind of thing is what feeds the hatred of other sects AND hatred of Americans; what is the administration doing about it?

    Just makes me wonder. Stay the course?

  15. 624

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    35

    I read Fortune (and other business publications) too, klake. I’m going to sell my oil stocks soon. A price crash is coming, some say to $20 – $30 bbl.

  16. 625

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And that’s being generous because you aren’t worth even $2.13 an hour, klake. In fact, you’re not worth jackshit.

  17. 627

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    I am calling on the Bush Regime to make an apology for:

    1) Telling us at least three different lies about why we went to war in Iraq.
    2) For outing a CIA agent in an attempt to cover up their lie about the war in Iraq.
    3) For getting 3000 of our young men and women killed in the quagmire of Iraq.
    4) For spending trillions of dollars that we don’t have on the failed war in Iraq.
    5) For destroying any good will we might have had in the international community while fighting a fake war in Iraq.
    6) For giving hundreds of millions of tax dollars to Bush pals in no-big contracts to rebuild Iraq after we spend hundreds of millions of tax dollars to destroy it.
    7) For destroying our Constitution under the guise that the Bush regime will somehow protect us while at the same time eliminating our civil and Constitutional rights.
    8) For creating a law (The Patriot Act) that forces librarians to spy on normal Americans because of the books they read.
    9) For creating one country (Iraq) that’s stuck in a civil war and another (USA) that’s on the verge of one.

    Where’s the “I’m Sorry” that matters Mr. Decider?

  18. 628

    MEGABRAD spews:

    Kerry is a punk.
    His story of “making a joke directed at Bush” doesn’t hold water or make sense. Bush went to college, and GOT BETTER GRADES THAN KERRY.
    Kerry is a punk and a liar. So are the people who support him.

  19. 629

    Poster Child spews:

    Wait a gol’ Darn minute! Isn’t what Kerry said (and I copy and paste from above)

    “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” ?

    Why do we assume this is an insult to the military? He’s obviously talking about the electorate.

    We didn’t do our homework. Twice. Now we’re stuck in Iraq.

  20. 630

    K spews:

    Klake, you can’t write, and obviously you cannot read either. Read the entire statement in context.

    And it’s Mr. K to you!

  21. 632

    Daddy Love spews:

    Likely Senate Dem pickups:
    MO
    VA
    NJ
    OH
    PA
    RI

    Possible:
    TN
    CO

    Open Dem seats that won’t go GOP:
    MN
    MD
    CT (if you believe Lieberman)

  22. 633

    JDB spews:

    The Republican spin machine is no longer the only game in town:

    Fox News and CNN were mostly down in October primetime, compared to the same month a year ago. But MSNBC was mostly up, with Hardball enjoying a 27 percent gain in the demo and Scarborough Country recording a 13 percent increase. Countdown with Keith Olbermann beat CNN’s Paula Zahn in the demo again, and came within 2,000 viewers of beating her in total viewers. Olbermann was up 61 percent in the demo versus last year.

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvn....._46556.asp

  23. 634

    Doctor Maf54 Kennedy Esq. spews:

    House Race Summary for Oct. 31

    The math is easier given one important finding: Not a single Democratic candidate in a district now held by a Democrat is trailing, regardless of the combination of polls examined. So, we will focus below on potential Democratic pickups.

    We count 10 seats currently held by a Republican where multiple surveys shows the Democrat with a statistically meaningful lead regardless of what combination of polls we look at: Arizona-08, Colorado-07, Indiana-02, Indiana-08, North Carolina-11, New Hampshire-02, New Mexico-01, Ohio-18, Pennsylvania-07, and Pennsylvania-10.

    One seat gets its own category: The one and only poll in the Texas-22 district formerly represented by Rep. Tom Delay shows Democrat Nick Lampson leading. However, a complicated ballot (Republican Shelley Sekula-Gibbs is a write-in candidate) makes this result tenuous.

    Seven more Republican seats look to be in statistically meaningful jeopardy, but only when you count the automated Majority Watch surveys (either because they are the only ones done or because they tip the balance, making the Democrat’s lead statistically meaningful): Indiana-09, Iowa-01, New York-24, New York-25, New York-26, New York-29, and Ohio-15.

    Three more Democrats would show significant leads if we include the internal surveys released by partisan pollsters: Florida-13, Nebraska-03, and Ohio-01.

    Thus, if you trust the Majority Watch surveys and assume a pickup in Texas-22, then Democrats are leading in exactly the 18 seats the need to win a majority. If you trust all polls, then they currently lead in enough districts to win 21 seats.

    But even more important: Polls have been conducted in October in another 25 seats where the averages indicate a statistical tossup. Only two of these seats are currently represented by Democrats. How well the Democrats ultimately do depends on how many of these still-too-close-to-call races they ultimately win.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2148699/

  24. 635

    klake spews:

    Roger my spelling might be poor but your comprehension is even as bad or worst. Now read what the Al Qaida supporter really said and he was also supporting the NVA during the Viet Nam Era. They hanged pictures of him in their command post in North Viet Nam and I’m not surprised that Osama bin Laudin has one signed and hanging in his cave. Yep he is still anger over the Swift-Boat crew torpedoing this election chances last time around. Just Like you Thumper still angry after the War end many years ago.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2152650/

    Military Intelligence
    By Christopher Beam
    Posted Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2006, at 6:10 PM ET
    Bloggers get heated over Sen. John Kerry’s remarks about the military. They also theorize about a recent madrasah bombing in Pakistan and laugh at Fox’s premature announcement of Studio 60’s demise.
    Military intelligence: During a speech endorsing California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides at Pasadena City College yesterday, Sen. John Kerry encouraged students to work hard in school lest they “get stuck in Iraq.” White House press secretary Tony Snow called Kerry’s remarks “an absolute insult,” and Sen. John McCain said the former presidential candidate “owes an apology” to U.S. troops. Conservative bloggers go to town.
    Neddy at the conservative Kerfuffles translates Kerry’s comments thusly: “Because you were lazy and dumb in school, you are now in Iraq. Oh, by the way, ‘thank you for your service’ and ‘we support the troops.’ Vote for us at the polls so we can bring you home.”

  25. 638

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Still looks bad for the righties! http://www.electoral-vote.com/ projects a 51-49 Republican Senate, but a 230-203 Democratic House — with no pickups in WA. GOP could end up under 200.

    INVESTIGATIONS! SUBPOENAS! TRIALS! ORANGE JUMPSUITS! HAPPY HALLOWEEN TRAITORS!

  26. 640

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    10

    Roger Rabbit is stoopid. Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/31/06@ 6:13 pm

    Yeah, but I’m only a fucking rabbit. What’s your excuse?

  27. 641

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    12

    I have a better idea:

    [X] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
    [X] 2. Bumper chroming factory
    [X] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
    [X] 4. Wrecking yard
    [X] 5. Dynamite factory
    [X] 6. Government Pensioned Attorney

    If you read I-933’s fine print you’ll notice there’s no exception for item (6).

  28. 642

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    13

    “Anyone else tired of the tit for tat?” Commentby Heathen Sinner— 10/31/06@ 6:22 pm

    Not really. I could kick wingnut butts until I die and never get bored! It’s better than sex.

  29. 644

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    2

    Please post your address so I can buy investment property next to you. Please check the box below to indicate which type of development you prefer to live next door to.

    [ ] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
    [ ] 2. Bumper chroming factory
    [ ] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
    [ ] 4. Wrecking yard
    [ ] 5. Dynamite factory

    Thank you for supporting Initiative 933. Roger Rabbit Toxic Enterprises, JPSP.*

    * Judgment Proof Sole Proprietorship

  30. 645

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    John FUcking Kerry – Poster child for what pisses people off about current day socialist democrats.

    He just can’t quite conceal his contempt for ordinary people can he? No wonder he’s so popular here… an arrogant elitist asshole jerk of the first order.

    All you guys supported him last time. Now what do you think of your boy?

  31. 646

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    Hey Rabbit – Are you going to demand an apology from Kerry? Or are you a dumfuck like he says?

    I’d really like to know…

  32. 647

    sgmmac spews:

    Robert,

    There’s no hissy fit here. I’ve known for a long time what Kerry thinks of the military. He just reinforced it the other day with his remarks.

    As for the spin that it was a joke about Bush. There’s no joke there and furthermore, Bush’s GPA in college was higher than Kerry’s! Neither were brilliant in school and if they got those grades studying hard, I’m scared of both of them.

  33. 648

    JDB spews:

    KKKlake at 48:

    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
    Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?

  34. 649

    headless lucy spews:

    re 48: On what day was war declared and who voted for it? Answer me that. That fishy smell is your upper lip.

  35. 652

    TheTruth2006 spews:

    Darcy Burner is toast! Anyone of you leftwing nutroots wanna take odds on how bad she will lose? Not even Ron Simms “hidden ballot” bridgade can save Darcy or is it Marcy ( As Obama put it)?

    Ain’t enough vote fraud in the world to save that broad!

  36. 654

    Elizabeth Cheney spews:

    I want an apology.

    I want an apology from my mom and dad for only deciding to get pregnant with me so dad could get a 3-A final deferment from the draft.

    Where’s my apology?

  37. 655

    JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

    Mooooooooooooooooooooooslim terrorists for Democrats!!!!! Communists for Democrats!!! “Guvment” union hacks for Democrats!!! Felons for Democrats!!!! Jesse “Shakedown” Jacksooooon for Democrats!!! Tookie “9 inch” Williams for Democrats!!!

  38. 656

    klake spews:

    But you silly fools have much more fun with comments out of context.
    Commentby K— 10/31/06@ 7:04 pm
    Miss K I beg to differ with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m one of those troops you are trying to speak for and I totality disagree with you. John Kerry means what he said right down to the last word and plans not to retract any one part of it. Today the military education is above the National Average and unlike those who served during his tour of duty. We do not take anyone who walks through the door, the standards are much higher. That is one of the reasons why the draft was banned. Plus it was easier to lead people who wanted to make a difference in this world.

  39. 658

    Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Bush should apologize for 25,000 needless American casualties and 655,000 dead Iraqis — all to enrich himself and his cronies. We’re not going to go off message to respond to your BS. Your use of a slip of the tongue to dun a real American hero is the crime here. What pigs you are! Commentby headless lucy— 11/1/06@ 7:00 am

    Please prove your bullshit from reputable MSM sources! Bullshit otherwise!

  40. 659

    Robert spews:

    sgmmac,

    I know Limbaugh and Fox New’s talking heads won’t show it to you, but the group DOES laugh after Kerry screws up the joke. But it would be inconvenient to show the entire clip – that would screw up your hissy fit.

  41. 660

    Michael Dutton Douglas spews:

    I want an apology!

    I want an apology from Harold and Jenna Welsh for giving the car keys to their drunk daughter Laura 43 years ago so she could go out and blow through a stop sign and kill me!

    Where’s my fuckin’ apology!

  42. 661

    Don Joe spews:

    I guess that whole idea of trying to convince people that they’re really better off than they think they are wasn’t working as a political strategy. But you really do have to admire Republicans who are now chasing after ambiguous remarks from a Junior Senator from Massachusetts who isn’t even up for election all the while keeping Iraq in the forefront of voter’s minds.

    Of course, why would I expect any better? One of these guys still doesn’t understand the basic concept of a fraction (all the while welching on his bet), and the other actually believes that terrorists will take over Iraq if our troops should come back home.

    These guys are so bright, that, if they were night lights, we’d all have broken toes.

  43. 662

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers.

  44. 663

    John Barelli spews:

    Well, we may be seeing the “October surprise” that everyone expected. Unfortunately (for the Republicans) it’s pretty lame. Even Mr. Rove needs to have something to start with in order to work the big spin machine. Let’s see, they’re trying to call Mr. Webb a “pornographer” and misconstruing some comments by Mr. Kerry. It’s hard to imagine that Mr. Rove can’t do better than that, but we are in the last week prior to elections.

    I guess they’re counting on Diebold to pull this election out of the fire for them. Either that, or they’re looking out at the economic horizon and have decided to hand the upcoming can of worms over to the Democrats, then try to blame us for the mess in 2008.

    Mr. Kerry made a statement that could be considered insulting to our troops. I doubt that he meant it to be, but he should apologize anyway. That will make it even harder for Mr. Rove and his bunch to work it.

    Oh, and just to update Roger’s post from yesterday, http://www.electoral-vote.com/ has slightly updated figures.

    Unfortunately, WA-08 has gone back into the Republican column, but overall, the latest poll numbers give a 50-50 split in the Senate, and the projected House numbers are:

    239 Democrats, 195 Republicans, and 1 so close even these folks won’t call it. (This outfit counts all “leaners” no matter how slight, so let’s not break out the bubbly just yet.)

    Now, if we can manage to bring WA-08 back to the “D” column, and maybe even swing WA-05, we could really celebrate.

  45. 664

    sgmmac spews:

    Daddy,

    I don’t know about the other services, but the Army has an OCS (Officer Candidate School) and a college degree isn’t a requirement to get into OCS. When you complete OCS, you are commissioned as an officer. You would be highly encouraged to complete a degree after that and most would if they wanted to stay competitive with their peers.

    Warrant Officers in the Army also do not have to have a college degree. Most soldiers to include enlisted go to college at some time in their career. Enlisted soldiers get promotion points and get promoted faster with college……….

    As for you saying that they are lowering their standards to meet their goals. Yes, they are. Whenever the Army needs people, they change standards. During the TET offensive in Vietnam they were drafting people who said they were gay. The guys had to PROVE they were gay to get out of going to Vietnam. The Army was also forced to retain at least one of them, because his enlistment paperwork said he was gay and years later they tried unsuccessfully to kick him out for being gay. The Army also changes their medical standards based on their need for soldiers. There were soldiers in my unit before the first Gulf war that were being discharged for overweight and some for misconduct whose discharges were stopped and they were sent to the Gulf, and immediately upon returning the overweight ones were again targeted for discharge.

  46. 665

    Daddy Love spews:

    I screwed up the quote:

    “Everybody can help. You can all help. You don’t need papers for voting [pause] you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.”

  47. 666

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    38

    klake’s comment is part and parcel of the horseshit the right has spewed about Kerry. According to them, Kerry lost the war all by himself. Next they’re gonna say Kerry was a North Vietnamese general. They’ve already doctored photos and falsely claimed he had an affair with an intern. Bunch of fucking liars. We oughta swiftboat all of ‘em — with a fifty.

  48. 667

    Daddy Love spews:

    It’s also no joke that ,a href=”http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/”>the military has had to lower its standards to allow lower achieving students and more recruits with criminal records to meet its recruiting goals. Because of Iraq.

  49. 668

    JDB spews:

    Chuck at 94:

    Remember, John Kerry supports Cantvoewell and Cantvotewell supports Kerry (she asked him to come pollute our airways so she must support his views) who feels our military guys are less than smart or educated

    Remember, Bush supports Mark Foley, and Foley supports mollesting under age boys, which means by your logic that Bush supports mollesting under age boys.

    And since you apparenlty support the GOP, you must also support mollesting under age boys.

    Why do you hate America so?

  50. 671

    Daddy Love spews:

    So, JCH and jaybo, it’s “most” but not “all.” Who are the “complete ignoramuses” now? I swear, crack a fucking book sometime. You could learn something if you weren’t so hostile to the concept.

    http://www.dod.gov/prhome/popr.....rview.html
    24th annual Department of Defense report on social representation in the U.S. Military Services

    Given that most officers are required to possess at least a baccalaureate college degree upon or soon after commissioning and that a college education is part of the main commissioning sources (i.e., Service academies and ROTC), the academic standing of officers is not surprising. The fact that 92 and 98 percent (excluding those with unknown education credentials) among active duty officer accessions and officer corps, respectively, were degree holders (approximately 12 and 42 percent advanced degrees) is in keeping with policy and the professional status and expectations of officers. Likewise, 85 percent of Reserve Component officer accessions and 90 percent of the total Reserve Component officer corps held at least a B.S. or B.A. degree, with 25 and 32 percent possessing advanced degrees, respectively.

  51. 672

    Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

    It all makes sense now. Thank you senator kerry.

    JFK says military people are stoopid.

    Roger Rabbit was in the military.

    Therefore Roger Rabbit is stoopid.

    And that’s why RR is a librul.

    Thank you senator kerry. Thank you roger rabbit.

  52. 673

    klake spews:

    You know the difference between Jany Fonda and George Bush?
    Fonda wasn’t afraid to go to Viet Nam!
    Comment by RightEqualsStupid— 10/31/06@ 7:09 pm
    RightEqualsStupid you are not the sharpest knife in the draw tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did your mommies tell you that Jane Fonda betrayed her country during the Viet Nam War along with John Kerry? Yes sir reeeeee Bob she exposed the messages that POW’s gave her to take home, she gave them to the North Vietnamese, and they paid a dear price for that mistake. You lover boy John Kerry went to Pairs and collaborated with the North Vietnamese delegation on how they could work together to end the War in their favor. Mr. Stupid not everyone got the privilege to go to Viet Nam or any place else during that same time period. Some of the draftees and volunteers were not allowed to go serve their country in a War zone. LBJ bless his soul did not call up the National Guard or allow them to join their fellow countrymen in that conflict. Unlike today the National Guard supports the regular units on the battle field by as much as 48% and in some career fields 80% because of downsizing and restructuring of the military.

  53. 674