by Goldy, 11/09/2006, 4:07 PM

Shit or get off the pot

69 Responses to “Open thread”

1. americafirst spews:

Still waiting for one of you nitwits to actually answer my question:
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm
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Libs went after Iraq because the casualties were higher, thus they figure that they can sell opposition to Iraq easier. If the casualty figures were reversed libs would claim that the Iraq invasion was a good idea but that the Afghanistan invasion was causing more terrorists. If we pull out of Iraq the libs will then demand that we pull out the troops from Afghanistan.

2. RightEqualsStupid spews:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003365311_jesuscamp08.html

Another blow to the moronic hypocritical Christian right. There precious Jesus Camp (Home to man-on-man massage lover Haggard) is done.

Man you right wing assholes are certainly having one fucked up week aren’t you?

HE HE!

3. Roger Rabbit spews:

Katherine Harris has a mind as ugly as her face.

4. americafirst spews:

americahater @ 101
You support the war in Iraq, but you haven’t signed up to go fight it. Yet, you accuse liberals of lacking “guts”? You are a cowardly little slug who would never crawl out of your own basement to fight for any principle. You epitomize the warmongering rightwing. That is why you fuckers just had your asses handed to you.
Commentby proud leftist— 11/9/06@ 4:30 pm
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Typical dumbshit lib; you haven’t the slighest idea what you are talking about. There is about a 99.99999% chance that between us I’m the only one to have ever fought for our country, you stupid Frenchfuck.

5. Heathen Sinner spews:

Hey Redneck, why don’t you guys just go see if Hitler is available.

6. Roger Rabbit spews:

By the way, anybody have a link to Katherine Harris’ concession speach? That should be a doozy. Commentby rhp6033— 11/9/06@ 4:26 pm

http://tinyurl.com/yd38pu

7. jsa on commercial drive spews:

The lex maniacs at the Oxford English Dictionary say that Poontang is probably French (from putain – prostitute). The first usage is 1929, well before any of the land wars in Asia. Believe what you want.

8. Heathen Sinner spews:

Man, two days into it and already a bunch of crying…..boo hoo hoo. boo hoo hoo.

9. proud to be an Ass spews:

‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.

No, it will not. The conservatives are getting out the long knives and forming circular firing squads to argue over who among them are the “real” conservatives. The neocons are jumping ship (cf latest issue of Vanity Fair).

They are a corrupt, spent force. No matter how much lipstick you put on this pig–private greed is not a public virtue.

10. ArtFart spews:

16 Yeah…he’s apparently garnered the approval of Pistol Packin’ Pam’s constituents.

11. rhp6033 spews:

By the way, anybody have a link to Katherine Harris’ concession speach? That should be a doozy.

12. ConservativeFirst spews:

http://vote.wa.gov/elections/general/Results.aspx?o=7b7f42a5-3c6e-4bd1-92d5-0e11d5bd6d16

Is where you go for total results for the WA-08 race.

13. The Judy Miller Show spews:

Righty tax logic 101:

The rich pay most of the taxes so it’s unfair to raise taxes on the rich.

The rich hire expensive tax lawyers and they end up not paying any taxes anyway, so it makes bad sense to raise taxes on the rich, because you’ll just end up paying them yourself.

How can you believe both of those statements, simultaneously? You can only believe it in DUMBLAND — the deep South.

14. ManofTruth spews:

Only the beginning…

15. rhp6033 spews:

# 4: Still up for the week. Today’s drop consisted of profit-takers cashing in on the advances which occured once Wall Street was convinced that the Democrats were going to control Congress. A little “fiscal responsiblity” never hurt anyone.

16. The Socialist spews:

Fucking Pierce County!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

17. GBS spews:

Qustion:

What do you call it when a conservative takes a shit?

Answer:

A lobotomy!!

18. The Socialist spews:

oh ok well were can I get a full count of the total?

19. Anonymous spews:

Fucking Pierce County!

20. Tree Frog Farmer spews:

Harry, I cant remember the original Chinese for ‘poon tang’. I know the GI’s brought it into the slang lexicon at the same time as ‘nooky’ or “Nu Chi”, ‘young woman essence(spirit)’.

21. The Socialist spews:

well I guess I will have to stop sending hate mail to the P.I. now

:-(

22. The Socialist spews:

Only 50% of the vote has been counted is that right?

in the 8th

23. harry poon spews:

I was checking out the “Gay old man porn” site advertised above as part of my gay agenda and I swear I saw Stefan in a gay daisy chain .

24. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

I’m with goldy on the mccain suicide watch. We can only hope. He’s no conservative. He’s the poster child for why we lost. If he’s the nominee, he sas won’t get my vote.

We need a REAL conservative. Like Newt…

25. Tree Frog Farmer spews:

Lies2006 is hurting right now. . .America woke up and kicked his lying ass out of power. Get Used to it fool.

26. Daddy Love spews:

Regarding secret, warrantless wiretapping of US residents…

rather than move to authorize the program, Democrats said they would push in January to investigate how the program had been run . . . .

It’s secret, so we don’t even know what’s been happening. But THIS (finally!) is how open, transparent government of, by, and for the people works. Public officials are in on what our republic does. If there’s nothing wrong, all the better. If someone who has been operating unaccountably has been doing something illegal or unconstitutional (which is the hazard of any untrammeled branch of government), then we need to freakin’ fix it.

We’re all patriots here, and everyone wants “terrorist sleeper cells” or whatever else keeps Republicans hiding under the bed to be caught and punished. Some of us just want a little more assurance that our government is not spying on us all along the way. And that the either follow our laws or request new ones wiht some good reasons instead of just ignoring them. Down that road lies dicatorship.

27. Heathen Sinner spews:

Maybe you can go as Dick Cheney for a loan, you paid enough for one in the price of gasoline – supply and demand, yeah right….

28. Truth2006 spews:

“I like it – if the situation hurts a Republican, I like it even better – hope you get fucked in the stock market.”

I don’t own stocks. Sorry to disappoint you hateful moonbat.

29. Heathen Sinner spews:

If anyone should know the truth hurts, it should be you….you can’t bear the reality of all the Republican lieing, cheating and stealing….. Go lick Ann Coulter’s pussy, I’m sure she could use good dildo right about now.

30. Heathen Sinner spews:

And Speaking of Hateful. You fascist pig….HAIL HITLER!

31. Heathen Sinner spews:

I like it – if the situation hurts a Republican, I like it even better – hope you get fucked in the stock market.

32. Danw spews:

They don’t even know why they hate Pelosi, they just heard she is from San Francisco, and that must mean Gays like her, so we must hate her. Just like Soros and Hilary, they don’t know what to hate about them, they just know they should. (How easy it must be to be a republican, just somebody tell me who to hate.)

That’s why we call them Sheeple.

33. CherryVanilla spews:

You see they’re trying to give a shit about the bottom 99% of income earners in America, but not… quite… convincingly.

34. Heathen Sinner spews:

#2 – Market Down – Reality sets in…..

The market was stagnant for 6 years and now here come all the big expectations and bullshit remarks……Truth2006, grow-up…..Why don’t you go research all the lieing, stealing and cheating that the Republicans know best.

35. Truth2006 spews:

“The market was stagnant for 6 years and now here come all the big expectations and bullshit remarks……Truth2006, grow-up…..Why don’t you go research all the lieing, stealing and cheating that the Republicans know best.”

As reality sets in, out come the potty words. The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

36. harry poon spews:

Pun with Poon. It’s patriotic! Go ahead, run your pun up the pole and into the Poon Barrel!

37. The Socialist spews:

what’s poon? is that a republican teen age girl that has been getting corn holed in the butt for years because she’s trying to save her virginity?

38. harry poon spews:

Does Stefan eat Poon? Most likely! Sometimes his face looks like a glazed donut!

39. Apache Fog spews:

C’mon. Enough with the Poon Puns,harry!

40. harry poon spews:

It’s time that the other half of America stood up for Poon!!! I know that I am!!!

41. skinnyfreak spews:

Add Sherwood, Reynolds, Pombo, DeWine, Talent to the list!

They got their asses handed to them!

No MORE lying monkeys, sons of bitches giving King George everything he wants.

Their day of reckoning has ARRIVED!

42. harry poon spews:

Have you heard that rap group, The Poon Tang Clan? They really get in the groove if you know what I mean!!!

43. harry poon spews:

This election has been good for the entire Poon clan!!!

44. harry poon spews:

Ronald Reagan was a Poon on his mother’s side! Bet you Republicans were unaware of that!!!

45. The Socialist spews:

I thought conservatives were congenially constipated?

46. The Socialist spews:

holy crap Danies Richards just wiped out a couple of old lades bye throwing a couple of lap top computers at the paporatsie!!!

Will the violence never end :-(

47. The Socialist spews:

what is it about republicans they just can’t seem to stop lieing about anything and everything?

48. Two Dogs spews:

@15. I think you are just looking at the King Co portion of Dist 8. As has been pointed out Richert is running ahead in the Pierce Co portion.

49. Roger Rabbit spews:

Adios, fascist motherfuckers.

50. Daddy Love spews:

2 truth

Yes, by all means, let’s look at the daily fluctuations of the weighted average of the selected stocks in the DJIA and interpret each one as the public’s reaction to Harry Reid’s choice of drapes in the Majority Leader’s office.

You’d do as well to kill a chicken and examine the entrails.

51. The Judy Miller Show spews:

re 4: A company that lives on borrowed money is the only kind affected by the vagaries of the stock market — short of a major crash. This just reflects the caution of investors when there is some major shift. Like the complete crash after Bush’s election.

52. CherryVanilla spews:

It doesn’t matter how much one grimaces and squints, that’s probably not the way to bring on The Rapture.

53. Daddy Love spews:

55 56 57

Previouys post to “Truth:”

Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.

Wow, your comprehension is really lacking. I told you about this and gave you a link. You could have followed the link and read it to understand what was going on; instead, you attribute the conclusion to “liberals” and then try to set up your very clever trap. Hope I don’t fall into it?

Anyway, the 9/11 commission stated only that “ ‘a source reported that an individual whom he identified as the big instructor‘ (probably a reference to Bin Ladin) complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked. According to the source, Bin Ladin wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger.”

So it was the 9/11 commission and their source, and not “liberals,” who “put that forth.”

Then, you set the trap:

We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action.

Counldn’t be further from the truth. Many people opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. For example, I did not oppose the invading Afghanistan as a means to get to the perps of 9/11, but I opposed the Bush administration stonewalling the legitimate Afghani government’s reasonable requests for US to share the information that led them to believe bin Laden was at fault before they’d turn him over to us, and I oppposed the US subsequently invading as lacking legitimacy because of it.

However, that said, the US military action WAS popular and supported by lots and lots of people of all political stripes because of the 9/11 attacks. Weird, huh?

So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?

The 9/11 commission report came out in 2004. It’s the president’s actions and Republican suppport for same since we found out (a) that it’s part of bin Laden’s plan and (b) that we’re creating more and not fewer jihadists in Iraq that we have turned against, as sensible, non-ideologically blindered people SHOULD do.

Not that bin Laden favoring or not favoring a course should be the basis of our foreign policy. But when our intelligence services all concur that he’s right, we should fucking think about it for a fucking minute.

And that, children, is how the Republicans lost the Congress.

54. americafirst spews:

But please, keep pursuing your radical revenge agenda. Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again. Go full steam ahead with ever Bush hating measure you have come up with. Please. Pretty please with sugar in top. Oh and put nuts like Roger Rabbit front and center for all America to see what Democrats looke like. Let hims speak his mind too.
Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 3:11
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Exactly, Americans need to be reminded how anti-American and kooky the libs are. Too bad the Frenchfuck libs don’t have the guts to practice what they preach and impeach Bush; but moonbats on parade in countless investigations will be almost as good.

‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.

55. The Socialist spews:

Darcy is still in the lead despite what the p.i. has been reporting .

CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT NO. 8

Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 126040 / 316777 39.79%

Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 745
/ 745 100.00%

United States Representative Congressional District No. 8

Darcy Burner DEM 62516 50.31%

Dave Reichert REP 61595 49.56%

Write-in 161 0.13%

http://www.metrokc.gov/elections/200611/resPage4.htm

56. Tree Frog Farmer spews:

Lemme see now,. . .take yer shoes off, no, now no liquids , no, buy duct tape and saran wrap. Man I feel so much safer with Homeland Stupidity on the job. You don’t get it, but most Americans do. It’s time for the adults to take charge.

57. ArtFart spews:

Ah, come on…considering how they’re so full of it…

58. Roger Rabbit spews:

They’re congenital liars.

59. For the Clueless spews:

fascistfirst: let me guess – all the dipshits you were rooting for in the election lost.

Typical loser…

60. Daddy Love spews:

This is a good one:

Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again.

Yes, we mustn’t question the president or do anythign to keep him from wielding unilimted power, or it might be a “distraction.” I know how concerned you guys are about such things, because I noticed that after the first WTC bombing, and after the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya were attacked by alqaida, the Republican refrained from doing anything that wound distract the president out of respect for the office and their strong desire to keep AMerica safge. Oh, except for that little impeachment. We’ll use that behavior as our guide.

And no one will “take away tools” unless you count requiring teh executinve following our laws and our international treaties, and reinstating habeas corpus before the courts do to be “taking away tools.”

61. Roger Rabbit spews:

In her concession speech, Harris urged a room of 200 supporters: “Don’t succumb to bitterness at some of the liberals in the media, or vindictiveness to our political opponents, no matter which party that they’re in.”

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/elections/15958214.htm

62. Roger Rabbit spews:

So there you have it — Harris lost because of the liberal media!

63. Truth2006 spews:

Markets down 73 points as reality sets in.

64. TheDeadlyShoe spews:

Who’s the one in the middle?

65. John Barelli spews:

Commentby phalangefirst— 11/9/06@ 6:52 pm

Hey, our Phalangist buddy is back! I notice that you posted Pravda2006′s question without bothering to post the answer, so I’ll do it for you.

Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.

We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?

Commentby Pravda2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm

Ok, I answered this on another thread, but I can do it here too.

First, when did “liberals” make the claim “attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists“? Somehow they left me off the distribution for that memo, and I missed getting that word.

Liberals, yours truly included, did make the claim that attacking Iraq under the circumstances that we did would create more terrorists. According to several intelligence agencies, including our own CIA, that appears to be the case.

I’m sure some liberal somewhere probably made the claim you stated, just as I can find some conservative somewhere that made the claim that we should simply nuke the entire Muslim world, killing every man, woman and child living there regardless of whether they’ve done us any harm, or even regardless of whether they were actually Muslim.

Since your basic statement (that liberals had claimed that attacking any predominantly Muslim country would increase terrorism) is false, the rest of your question is meaningless.

But, even if your basic statement were true, it would simply mean that we would have to decide if the goal was worth the increased risk.

Was reducing or eliminating the ability of the terrorists to train in relative safety worth the risk of encouraging a few people to join them? I tend to think so.

Was capturing the leader of a country that we had effectively neutralized and surrounded worth the thousands of US lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, billions of dollars, and the vastly increased incentive to join the terrorists? No, I don’t think so.

Does that clear it up for you, or should I use smaller words?

Commentby John Barelli— 11/9/06@ 6:52 pm

And to answer another of your posts:

“‘07 will be a great year for conservatives.”

Maybe, once the Republicans run the honest ones out of your party. I expect some of them will become Democrats and others will join the Libertarians (making that party more of a force in politics).

You see, most liberals get along pretty well with honest conservatives. Different perspectives, but often the same goals. Real conservatives believe in smaller, less intrusive government. Real conservatives believe in the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Real conservatives believe in finding ways to help folks that do not intrude on their personal liberty.

We have our differences, but we can hold discussions with honest conservatives, often finding ways to accommodate their goals while working towards ours. Quite often the goals are not mutually exclusive.

Heck, there is a rather large percentage of Democrats that would have been considered conservative, back before the neo-cons somehow preempted the term.

Yes, conservative Democrats may well have a good year in ’07, but you neocons and fascists are going to have a really lousy year. Don’t worry. You can always blame it on President Clinton.

66. jsa on commercial drive spews:

Tree Frog Farmer @ 64:

The standard word for “vagina” is 陰道 yin1 dao4. There are lots of slang words in different dialects, but none of the ones I know are very close to poon tang.

67. jsa on commercial drive spews:

Thanks for telling me about 女气, I didn’t know that one!

68. Facts Support My Positions spews:

We didn’t actually vote Republicans out of office.

We flushed the toilet.

Same thing either way……

69. Roger Rabbit spews:

Just to show you how out-of-touch with reality the wingnuts are, here’s a quote from the pathetic little competing blog:

Wingnut says:

“13. Hey, Unk, what about Pelosi’s 24% approval rating? That doesn’t seem to be getting the same level of coverage in the mainstream media. Posted by Burdabee at November 9, 2006 03:04 PM”

Reality check:

2006 Race for U.S. House of Representatives – California 8th District
 Nancy Pelosi (D) (inc.), 80%
 Mike DeNunzio (R), 10%
 Krissy Keefer(G), 8%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi

Lessee … in the only “approval rating” that counts, Pelosi got 80%, the Republican got 10%. Speaker Pelosi is now third in line of succession to the presidency. That means if both Bush and Cheney are removed from office, Speaker Pelosi will become President Pelosi — and millions of patriotic Americans will dance in the streets! Anybody got any questions?

by Goldy, 11/08/2006, 3:54 PM

Forced quit

UPDATE: (5:39 PM)
Not that we didn’t already know the Dems took control of the Senate, but the AP just officially called Virginia for Webb.

74 Responses to “Open thread”

1. The Socialist spews:

Socialism was born out of the extreme operation of the industrial revolution , of child labor and working people all most to death for barely enough to live on. You can still see this process going on in china and India and other countries we have allowed our capitalist to exploit. and don’t worry if the capitalist have there way it will be coming back to America really soon.

2. For the Clueless spews:

ghost, what are you still doing here? We know your posting history. You’ve earned zilch regard from anyone here. You name call. You hang out at (un)SP. Shall we dig up some choice quotes?

You’re environmentally conscious and active. Big deal! You hate Washington State so what are you doing here?

That Hollywood liberal DemocratRepublican Schwarzenegger was re-elected. Celebrate.

Get on with your life. We’ll be fine.

3. The Socialist spews:

ELECTION 2006

Dems complete election sweep of Congress
WASHINGTON — Democrats completed an improbable double-barreled election sweep of Congress on Wednesday, taking control of the Senate with a victory in Virginia as they padded their day-old majority in the House.
Update · 6:32 p.m.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/

4. The Socialist spews:

oh she’s from Californei that explains it

(rolling eye’s)

5. Roger Rabbit spews:

All Kerry did was bungle a jibe directed at Bush. This guy is saying he wants terrorists to kill Americans (apparently in revenge for electing Democrats).

6. Roger Rabbit spews:

I just want to remind everyone what kind of people post comments on Sound Politics.

“Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago.”
Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM

http://tinyurl.com/ydlfwu

(Quoted in full; nothing taken out of context.)

7. Roger Rabbit spews:

Let’s not forget that yesterday’s election was marred by dirty tricks. We need to talk more about that in the days ahead. Like the gun-packing dude who stopped Hispanics on their way to the polls …

8. Roger Rabbit spews:

“THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

“States reporting voter intimidation efforts and dirty tricks on Election Day:

“VIRGINIA

“In a neck-and-race Senate race between Republican George Allen and Democrat Jim Webb, the FBI was probing reports of phone calls apparently encouraging voters to stay home on Election Day or face criminal charges. Other calls directed voters to the wrong polling place. …

“ARIZONA

“In Arizona, three men, one of them armed, stopped Hispanic voters and questioned them outside a Tucson polling place, according to voting monitors for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

“MARYLAND

“Sample ballots suggesting Republican Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich and Senate candidate Michael Steele were Democrats were handed out by people bused in from out of state. Democrats outnumber Republicans in Maryland by nearly 2-to-1.

“OHIO

“A federal judge in Cleveland ordered 16 Cuyahoga County polling locations stay open 90 minutes past the scheduled 7:30 p.m. close because of delays caused by voting machine problems and lines that were an hour long.”

http://tinyurl.com/tp2vp

9. busdrivermike spews:

Since the first vote count in the 8th district, Reichart has held a 2700 vote lead. According to statistical theory, that is fishy. If reichart wins by 2700, we better check the trail of that smell.

10. For the Clueless spews:

ghost: you’re such a kook. Keep laughing. The laugh of a mad woman. Did we scare you? Oh sorry about that. NOT!

The democratic caucus moved in a progressive direction. Maybe a modestly progressive direction but still the right direction.

We’re going to keep working to move things in a positive, progressive direction. People like you are for the reactionary way. I’m ok with that. It reminds me of what I’m working against.

I’m not worried about the future either.

About Raygun: he was a bit of a sci-fi buff. He talked about an invasion from Mars with Gorbachev in Iceland. Look it up. It’s true. Hell he loved that a-bomb pumped space laser stuff.

I bet you loved it too.

11. jaybo spews:

Bad news for the kos kids and other progressives.

Bill Clinton: Election No Move to the Left by U.S.
In Ottawa Canada last night, former president Bill Clinton told a crowded forum that the election results were “a rejection of hard-headed, ideological politics in which people just make up their mind what the answer is and then they try to make the facts fit the answer,” according to a report in the Toronto Star.
At a press conference before his address to a Jewish National Fund dinner, Clinton noted: “I think the American people prefer, first, a government that gets things done and is not mired in partisan gridlock.”
Clinton also told reporters at the press conference that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s resignation was “more or less inevitable” because even before the elections, notable military publications in the U.S. were asking for a new direction in Iraq.
It provides an opportunity “to make a new beginning” on Iraq, Clinton added.

Clinton told the dinner crowd that Americans, while more “culturally conservative” than Canadians, are at the core “a practical people,” adding, “It would be a big mistake to read the results as some big move to the left in America.”
Confessing that he flew to Canada after staying up until 5 in the morning celebrating his wife Hillary’s re-election to the U.S. Senate, the former president concluded that U.S. voters clearly want a government that doesn’t stray too far to the right or too far to the left.
“They thought that the government has gone too far to the right, is too unaccountable,” Clinton said. “So what they voted for was not necessarily to legitimize the whole Democratic agenda but to give us a chance to build the vital centre of America and to get things done and come together.”
The mid-term results are marching orders to President Bush “for the country to get together,” Clinton concluded.
The Star noted that former Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien and his wife, Aline, were at the head table — while Conservatives were notably absent.

12. K spews:

Much as I’d like to believe that’s it, dpk, you also need to count the votes from Pierce Co in WA-8.

13. jaybo spews:

One day after Republicans lost their majority in the U.S. House and Senate, a question: Just how solid is the alliance among Democrat incumbents, moderates, newly-elected conservatives who used to be Republicans, and the fringe left?

Northwest Progressive Institute (NPI) did something today on their website that may reveal rogue riptides in the ‘blue wave’ that swept through Tuesday’s elections:
 A blog entry was posted by NPI contributor ‘Stilwell’ which blasted Rahm Emanuel and Democrat leadership over private meetings, held pre-election, to discuss how the liberal wing of the party would not be allowed to dominate the agenda next year. ‘Stilwell’ was none-too-happy, as evidenced by these excerpts: “We knew before the election that the mindless centrists who brought us twelve years of hell would immediately try to throw progressives under the bus. And sure enough Rahm Emmanuel has already started that attempt… The centrists should cut the crap and accept progressives as full partners, or we keep fighting. Their call. Deep down they know they would still be the minority if it weren’t for progressives…”. Pretty provocative piece, so I linked to it.
 I went back to the post later, to see if any comments had been entered. One had, by ‘Possum’ of the Roadkill blog. Roadkill is a self-described moderate who has been equally tough on the GOP and Democrats. But Possum’s comment was a more of a warning: that the people who had actually been thrown under the bus were moderates who felt betrayed by the GOP for not living up to the promise of conservative government for the past 12 years, and that if Democrats thought they had a mandate to do anything they wanted or cater to the extreme left of the party, they too would be voted out of power. Stilwell’s response? “Screw you troll”. I couldn’t resist and left a comment: “Spoken like a true progressive”.
 A few hours later, I discovered the post had been pulled. At first I wasn’t sure if it was intentional or due to technical problems, but I had my answer later when I discovered the link was being re-directed to the main NPI blog page. It was obvious at the point an effort was underway by NPI to hide the Stilwell post.
 I couldn’t find the post in my browser cache, but I was able to take a snapshot of a Google search which shows the post was up long enough to be in the Google search index (click here if you want to see it).
So here are the questions I have: Why did NPI take the post down? Did they get pressure from Democrat leadership? What is the plan by the netroots if they are shut out of power by the Democrats and are not accepted as “full partners”?
I really wish I had cached or copied the full post because it represents why the new Democrat majority in congress is less of a “house of blue” and more of a “house of cards”. It’s a majority that was acquired by running conservative democrats against GOP incumbents, in part fueled by money raised from the extreme left and blogosphere. As slim as the majority is, it seems like it will be difficult to keep all factions happy and motivated and feeling like they have a place at the table.
And, as an aside, how ironic that the netroots biggest and most expensive goal – replacing Joe Lieberman with Ned Lamont – failed. And not only for failing to get Lamont elected, but by making Lieberman, now a swing-voting independent in 49-49-2 split Senate, even more crucial to the Democrats plans to ride that ‘blue wave’.
And if you know of other examples of netroot or progressive meltdowns towards Democrats, send them my way. There should be plenty.
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14. For the Clueless spews:

Goldy’s two favorite people in the whole world.

Like attracts like.

15. The Socialist spews:

Early American Marxism

A rich archive of works about the early history of Marxism in the United States of America, and the documents of the various Marxist groups and founders of the union movement, 1864-1930.

see we helped found the union moments in the U.S.A.

16. Daddy Love spews:

A few days ago Bush was saying “Elect the Democrats, and the terrorists win.”

I think we’d better show him who REALLY won.

17. Don Joe spews:

You know, Ghost, for someone who spends a lot of time griping about other people expressing unconstructive thoughts, you sure seem to not engage in much discussion that has any kind of constructive aim.

18. The Socialist spews:

I think now is the time for the Socialist party and the Democratic party to merge and become the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

We should start by electing Berney Sanders as leader of the Senate in this new congress.

19. Pale Rider spews:

Firing Rummy was simply a case of the old story about “I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.”

Bush hopes that throwing Rummy overboard will be enough of an offering to the Deep Blue Sea gods that the storm will subside.

No chance, Georgie. The invasion if Iraq has been a fundamental piece of Neocon strategy at least as far back as the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance produced by Wolfowitz and Libbey for then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney. This war is chained to your neck and there’s no getting away.

BTW, here’s a promise to all the right-wingers out there who are asking for civility: I promise to be as civil to all you knuckle-dragging Fascist right-wing howlers as Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly are to Liberals. Stick that in your crack pipes.

20. Mike Barer spews:

Good riddance, George Allen, in fact as far as I can see. Get all the Georges out of there

21. Roger Rabbit spews:

“N.H. makes GOP stop some automated calls

“By KATHARINE WEBSTER
“ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

“CONCORD, N.H. — A Republican organization agreed to stop making automated phone calls to New Hampshire residents on the federal do-not-call list. But the Democrats said Monday that the calls still violate federal rules.

“The National Republican Congressional Committee agreed on Sunday to stop calling homes on the registry after a citizen complained to the state attorney general. Under New Hampshire law, political campaigns can contact people on the do-not-call list, but cannot use automated recordings.

“The calls criticize Democratic congressional challenger Paul Hodes, who is locked in a tight race against Republican Rep. Charles Bass … a spokesman for Hodes said the calls also violate a Federal Communications Commission rule that says automated calls must identify their source at the beginning of the message. …

“The NRCC is using ‘robo calls’ in at least 53 competitive House races nationwide. …

“‘This is the same kind of dirty tricks we’ve seen up here in the last couple of election cycles,’ Hodes spokesman Reid Cherlin said. In May, a former Republican National Committee official, James Tobin, was sentenced to 10 months behind bars for his role in the jamming of New Hampshire Democrats’ telephones on Election Day 2002. He was the third person sent to prison in the case.”

Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yl4aby

22. proud to be an Ass spews:

christmasghost, why shouldn’t we be “cozy” with socialists? Wingnuts are cozy with nazis, the KKK, and other eliminationists.

Your point is, well, pointless, and it can only be hoped that your kind are consigned to politcal irrelevancy. Enjoy the holiday season.

Regards,

23. Roger Rabbit spews:

Mike!? McGavick — another failed GOP politician consigned to the footnote section of state history textbooks; never to be heard from again.

24. Brian spews:

Goldy,

Don’t you know Rummy doesn’t run on a Mac?

25. christmasghost spews:

GBS….lying dear? i believe that is your forte, is it not?
what? what i have done and have to say disturbs you because it ruins your whole little “shrewisms” about evil nasty republicans?
oh bring it on baby……i would love to see you TRY to take me down. because you can’t.
this is what happens when you generalize about a whole group of people you ACTUALLY know nothing about. you are just trash that has never ammounted to anything by your own fault [it's called laziness] and are standing outside the candy store looking in….without anything to buy the candy with. should we feel sorry for you? no….you are a parasite…you have proven that too many times.
ahhh…the base of the far left…..if you thought the far right was crazy these people really take the cake.
and here’s a little thinker for you. you should try and remember that you really don’t KNOW who you are talking to….now do you?
you give the term MEME a whole new meaning as in “what about ME , ME , ME , ME, ME ????????????????
but your post is hysterical.
first of all, what have you done? talked alot [bingo] and done nothing. walked around holding a sign soemeone else made? and still did nothing.talked about the environment but you don’t actually ever do anything, right?
you hate big oil [and once again for that little lefty whine to mean anything...where is LITTLE oil?] and yet, here you are typing on it and burning it up as electricity.
does your hypocrisy know no bounds??????
you are nothing more than a gasbag phoney.
and sweets…i didn’t lose anything. i wasn’t running for office. my god with your lack of grasp of the english language it’s a wonder you can cross the street………

26. rhp6033 spews:

I suspect McGavick wants to run again in two years, but he will not want to take a position lower than Senator, President, or Chief Justice.

In the meantime, he will want a job to pad out his resume. I don’t think lobbying will work for him this time. He won’t be very welcome (or effective) with the Democrats in charge of the House, and possibly the Senate also. But lots of Bush appointees will be abandoning ship over the next year (it always begins the moment the President becomes a lame duck). He may want to slide into some cabinet or diplomatic post as a Bush appointee to tide him over until he starts his campaign run again next year.

27. Another TJ spews:

Following up on my post above, I just noticed that FDL has a pretty good roundup of the scramble for credit and competing lessons of this election.

Also, TBogg’s hilarious predictions post needs to be seen. Compare his predictions to your election night experiences.

28. christmasghost spews:

ass…my kind?
and just what kind is that? do you mean a person that owns a company that employs people at a very good wage? or the person that spent her own money and blood, sweat and tears to save a wetland? how about the person that does wildlife rescue?
that person? you want that person to go away?
let me guess…you are a seattle parasite that talks big but does nothing. except for yourself…..am i warm yet?

29. Roger Rabbit spews:

“In Arizona, three men, one of them armed, stopped Hispanic voters and questioned them outside a Tucson polling place, according to voting monitors for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

“In Maryland, sample ballots misidentifying the party affiliations of Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich and Senate candidate Michael Steele were handed out by people bused in from out of state, The Washington Post reported.

“In Virginia, election officials contacted the FBI over complaints of voter intimidation. In some states, long lines formed, prompting appeals to judges to keep polls open longer.”

Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yghvd2

30. ManofTruth spews:

nice visual pun !

31. For the Clueless spews:

jaybo and ghost: you lost, get over it.

Progressives are going to do just fine over the coming years. Get used to it. We’re never going to forget what you liars have done to this country since 1994 or since 1980 with Raygun for that matter.

32. The Socialist spews:

are you a liberal christmasghost?

you know Socialist were kind of the origanel liberals

33. Dylan Carlson spews:

Did you notice that gas prices went up today? hmmmm….

34. rhp6033 spews:

Probably the first question McGavick asked this morning was: “Okay, Cantwell wasn’t the easy pickings we thought. When does the other Senator – eh, what’s her hame – run for re-election again?”

35. stedman spews:

This should be our theme song for this victory:

Martha And The Vandellas Dancing In The Streets Lyrics

Calling out around the world
Are you ready for a brand new beat
Summer’s here and the time is right
For dancing in the street
They’re dancing in Chicago
Down in New Orleans
Up in New York City
All we need is music, sweet music
There’ll be music everywhere
There’ll be swinging swaying records playing
Dancing in the street

Oh it doesn’t matter what you wear
Just as long as you are there
So come on ev’ry guy grab a girl
Ev’rywhere around the world
They’ll be dancing
They’re dancing in the street

It’s just an invitation across the nation
A chance for folks to meet
There’ll be laughing, singing, music swinging
Dancing in the street
Philadelphia, PA
Baltimore and D.C. now
Can’t forget the Motor City
All we need is music, sweet music
There’ll be music everywhere
There’ll be swinging, swaying, records playing
Dancing in the street

Oh it doesn’t matter what you wear
Just as long as you are there
So come on ev’ry guy grab a girl
Ev’rywhere around the world

Dancing
They’re dancing in the street
Way down in L.A.
Every day
Dancing in the street

36. Roger Rabbit spews:

FullContactPolitics — you are one bitter, sick, twisted psycho. Please seek professional help.

37. Roger Rabbit spews:

Mike!? McGavick joins the ranks of John Carlson, Ellen Craswell, and Motherbeat Irons as big-time Republican loooosers! Even Richard Pope got better numbers than McGavick! He did better than Low Tax Looper, though.

38. The Socialist spews:

39#

Thanks

I think

39. Don Joe spews:

Thank you, truthless, for showing us that the Coultergeist is willing to cling to her delusions through thick and thin. But, perhaps you can tell us, why did she leave out Clinton’s sixth year mid-term?

Facts, drunks and lamp-posts again.

40. vancouver sucks spews:

Hey long timers:

How come the right winger trolls always have a long list of pornographic sites at their fingertips?
Do you think there is a correlation between the discovery of sexual enhancement drugs and the right wing becoming so destructively vitriolic?
Is there a connection between the vitriol and impotence?

Just wondering.

41. dpk spews:

(November 08, 2006 — 09:48 PM EST // link)
100% of precincts in King County reporting, Darcy Burner is up by about a thousand votes over Rep. Reichert (R) in WA-8.

http://www.metrokc.gov/elections/200611/resPage4.htm

42. The Socialist spews:

CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT NO. 8

Ballots Cast/Registered Voters: 126040 / 316777 39.79%

Poll Precincts Counted/Total Poll Precincts: 745
/ 745 100.00%

United States Representative Congressional District No. 8

Darcy Burner DEM 62516 50.31%

Dave Reichert REP 61595 49.56%

Write-in 161 0.13%

43. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Yes the righties are out to hurt America and they hate it that we’ve taken the country back from them so bad that they are hoping for terror attacks against US cities.

Let’s hunt these fuckers down and give em some justice. They’re traitors. Simple fact.

44. Don Joe spews:

Clueless, I think the Ghost’s most interesting reaction is the seeming outrage at the backlash of some Democrats directed toward Republicans after decades of being demonized by Republicans. I detect a distinct inability, or at least significantly impaired ability, to stand in someone else’s shoes. At times, I wonder if this kind of self-absorbsion isn’t a fairly common phenomenon amongst the right-wing.

45. Truth spews:

Are you open-minded? Good. Then go to abort73.com and educate yourself. Especially see section 1A on the left of the homepage and click through. But only if you’re open-minded and interested in being informed.

46. For the Clueless spews:

Yes Don Joe, I agree. I think that self-absorption and that tendency to demonize is at its core narcissistic and is quite common among the right.

Look at Stefan Sharansky. He takes everything personally. He keeps a lid on it to some extent in public but on his blog anything goes. It’s sad.

47. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Yes the righties are out to hurt America and they hate it that we’ve taken the country back from them so bad that they are hoping for terror attacks against US cities.

Let’s hunt these fuckers down and give em some justice. They’re traitors. Simple fact.

48. The Socialist spews:

I think now is the time for the Socialist party and the Democratic party to merge and become the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

We should start by electing Berney Sanders as leader of the Senate in this new congress.

49. proud leftist spews:

Stedman @ 10
Gloating online is not as satisfying as gloating in person, but it ain’t bad, is it?

50. GBS spews:

Don’t you just hate it when the Culture of Corruption NECONS come on this blog and lie? I for one am sick of it.

ChristmasGhost if you’re going to continue to come to HA and lie, whine, bitch, complain, and be unpatriotic, please stay away.

“this tokenism about the minimum wage. why not actually raise it to a living wage? why? because then every company would do what i have already started to do….automate everything.

honey…the sooner you figure out that i am always ahead of you, the better off you’ll be.

Commentby christmasghost— 11/7/06@ 10:10 pm

“ass…my kind?
and just what kind is that? do you mean a person that owns a company that employs people at a very good wage? or the person that spent her own money and blood, sweat and tears to save a wetland? how about the person that does wildlife rescue?
that person? you want that person to go away?
let me guess…you are a seattle parasite that talks big but does nothing. except for yourself…..am i warm yet?

Commentby christmasghost— 11/8/06@ 7:39 pm

When will these fucking lying pieces of shit NEOCONS learn not to lie in writing? Don’t you know you get caught and shamed by us truth seeking LIBERALS?

ChristmasGhost, if you keep lying like this and I’ll bitch slap you around on this blog until you forced to never come back just like I did to that lying piece of shit JCH.

Get over it, you lost. Like President Clinton said, “when Americans vote in mass DEMOCRATS get elected.” Why do you think your fucking shitty party tries to suppress voter turn out? You lying scumbag. The Culture of Corruption runs deep in you immoral shit bags.

So yes, if you’re going to continue to be unAmerican please do us all a favor and stay away.

51. Another TJ spews:

But according to the media, this week’s election results are a mandate for pulling out of Iraq (except in Connecticut where pro-war Joe Lieberman walloped anti-war “Ned the Red” Lamont).

Lieberman won because he changed his position on Iraq. Now he’s for getting out, but thanks for not paying attention.

I can’t say I’m surprised, though. It’s well-known that non-voters are less informed than voters, and Coulter can’t vote.

52. Frank spews:

Um…. Sad as it is… you’re not looking at TOTALS on the Burner race above…. you are only looking at King County totals…

The Totals, as of tonight are:

Darcy Burner
Democrat 74,861 49.1027%
Dave Reichert
Republican 77,597 50.8973%

Wish it was better news…

53. Roger Rabbit spews:

I want to remind everyone, especially our wingnut friends, this is not the Democrats’ ultimate victory but only the beginning. For the next 2 years, Democrats will pass remedial legislation on a broad array of problems — then watch Bush veto all of it, setting up his party for a crushing repudiation in 2008 that will make 2006 look like child’s play.

54. Roger Rabbit spews:

As Goldy’s update points out, Associated Press just called Virginia for James Webb! Democratic House, Democratic Senate.

55. Roger Rabbit spews:

Subject to recount. At this moment, Virginia has the highest concentration of lawyers on the planet.

56. christmasghost spews:

kids…are you ignoring your buddy “the socialist” again? come on…that’s not nice and we all know that you libs are really cozy with socialists so why snub him in public, hmmmmmmmmm?

57. Roger Rabbit spews:

And these people criticize Kerry?

58. The Socialist spews:

Burner narrows gap as King County results are announced
Political newcomer Darcy Burner, the Democrats’ only remaining hope of gaining a congressional seat in Washington state, closed in slightly on Republican U.S. Rep. Dave Reichert as new results were announced Wednesday. The race remained too close to call.
Update · 6:41 p.m.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/

59. Anonymous spews:

Goldy –

When the excitement subsides, maybe you can work on the blog to figure out how to screen out the spammers.

60. Another TJ spews:

This piece by Digby adds a little more meat to Goldy’s post below about the role of the netroots and grassroots in reforming the Democratic Party and righting the nation.

61. Another TJ spews:

Jaybo, did you honestly think that no one would check the NPI website? stillwell’s post is there.

http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2006/11/progressive-movement-must-stand-up-dc.html

62. christmasghost spews:

clueless…raygun? ohmygod…you can’t even come up with YOUR OWN insults. good grief. are you a californian? no? then stop line stealing…it’s so tacky. but obviously you are a 1960′s retread…that line gave you away.
“progressives” won’t be running the DNC or the house and senate…didn’t you get the memo honey? just ask bill or rahm…they already announced it far and wide…where were you?
god…so it’s true!!!! AMAZING!
you fools didn’t even realize you were being used only to be discarded as nuts. i am not worried about the future of this country. i am not worried about moderate democrats. you tools scared the crap out of me….but let’s face it, you are the ONLY ONES that didn’t realize you wouldn’t be running the dog and pony show.
wow…this is really amazing….i am going to be laughing for a long, long time……….

63. Don Joe spews:

Bummer about Burner, but that’s just so damn close for a district that had been written off as a safe Republican district that has never sent a Democrat to Congress.

The good news is that Reichert’s wings are pretty much clipped by the rest of the Democrat landslide, and we still get to make Reichert jokes for the next two years.

64. Frank spews:

Amen.

This district has NEVER elected a Gooper… yet we get closer every time… the tide is turning!

I am SOOOO proud of the campaign that Darcy has run here… she represents what is GOOD about the Eastside.

Reichert on the other hand… represents the redneck, pierce county mullet heads.

Sigh.

65. Roger Rabbit spews:

31

Do you think there is a correlation between the discovery of sexual enhancement drugs and the right wing becoming so destructively vitriolic? Commentby vancouver sucks— 11/8/06@ 6:58 pm

Yeah.

66. harry poon spews:

re 41; your such a poor little victim. But I don’t believe a word you say.

You need a good spanking! That will get your juices flowing. I’ll do it. I’ll leave red hand marks on your bottom and you’ll be telling me,”Daddy, I’ve been a bad wittle girl….”

Can you save some of that wetland for me?

67. Truth2006 spews:

Now here is a word from Ann Coulter:

History was made this week! For the first time in four election cycles, Democrats are not attacking the Diebold Corp. the day after the election, accusing it of rigging its voting machines. I guess Diebold has finally been vindicated.

So the left won the House and also Nicaragua. They’ve had a good week. At least they don’t have their finger on the atom bomb yet.

Democrats support surrender in Iraq, higher taxes and the impeachment of President Bush. They just won an election by pretending to be against all three.

Jon Tester, Bob Casey Jr., Heath Shuler, possibly Jim Webb — I’ve never seen so much raw testosterone in my life. The smell of sweaty jockstraps from the “new Democrats” is overwhelming.

Having predicted this paltry Democrat win, my next prediction is how long it will take all these new “gun totin’ Democrats” to be fitted for leotards.

Now that they’ve won their elections and don’t have to deal with the hicks anymore, Tester can cut lose the infernal buzz cut, Casey can start taking “Emily’s List” money, and Webb can go back to writing more incestuously homoerotic fiction … and just in time for Christmas!

But according to the media, this week’s election results are a mandate for pulling out of Iraq (except in Connecticut where pro-war Joe Lieberman walloped anti-war “Ned the Red” Lamont).

In fact, if the Democrats’ pathetic gains in a sixth-year election are a statement about the war in Iraq, Americans must love the war! As Roll Call put it back when Clinton was president: “Simply put, the party controlling the White House nearly always loses House seats in midterm elections” — especially in the sixth year.

In Franklin D. Roosevelt’s sixth year in 1938, Democrats lost 71 seats in the House and six in the Senate.

In Dwight Eisenhower’s sixth year in 1958, Republicans lost 47 House seats, 13 in the Senate.

In John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson’s sixth year, Democrats lost 47 seats in the House and three in the Senate.

In Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford’s sixth year in office in 1974, Republicans lost 43 House seats and three Senate seats.

Even America’s greatest president, Ronald Reagan, lost five House seats and eight Senate seats in his sixth year in office.

But in the middle of what the media tell us is a massively unpopular war, the Democrats picked up about 30 House seats and five to six Senate seats in a sixth-year election, with lots of seats still too close to call. Only for half-brights with absolutely no concept of yesterday is this a “tsunami” — as MSNBC calls it — rather than the death throes of a dying party…

68. Roger Rabbit spews:

51

Look at Stefan Sharansky … on his blog anything goes. Commentby For the Clueless— 11/8/06@ 8:43 pm

Well that’s certainly true! Just today a poster on Stefan’s sucky little blog suggested “we need” another terrorist attack against the U.S. as an antidote to people voting for Democrats. Sick. And Stefan the self-described patriot won’t even censor it.

69. Marcy, I mean Darcy spews:

I am so relieved! I thought there for a minute that I might have to actually stay in a job for two years! Can you imagine?

The voters in the 8th aren’t very bright, as pointed out on this blog. I bet most of them didn’t go to Harvard, like I did. I even bet most of them didn’t work for Microsoft!

70. harry poon spews:

The media is treating Pelosi as if she’s the de-facto president. What a relief we’ve got these clowns caged.

The emperor not only has no clothes , he has no brain.

71. harry poon spews:

When will it sink in, Righties? You are so OVER.

72. harry poon spews:

Bush’s Texas accent gets more pronounced the more desperate he gets. It’s really amusing to see him still strutting around like he’s large and in charge.

You’ll not see that clown deferred to any longer. I’m glsd we’ve got Reichert to hector and wear down.

“Dig for the dirt on Republicans. And if you can’t find it, keep looking. I’ve never known one that wasn’t tainted.” Rahm Emmanuel

73. Roger Rabbit spews:

65

When the neocons stole power I never imagined they would drown themselves in their own slime so soon. I thought it would take at least 10 years.

74. Don Joe spews:

I have to say that I didn’t learn a thing from about73.com that I didn’t already know. What’s your point? That abortion is horrible? Agreed. Can we move on from that, and to the next question?

by Goldy, 11/05/2006, 11:38 PM

64 Responses to “Open thread”

1. Mike McGavick? Eats Babies spews:

You can make good money as a hatchet man but you need to make enough moolah to live in a gated community w/ security cameras.

Don’t come to my house looking for your pension you seedy old derelict.

I make the hard decisions. You are fired and I get a $28 million golden parachute. Wow!! That wasn’t so hard!

2. Daddy Love spews:

51 Observer

I thought this was the only poll that counts:

Fox news poll: “Nearly half of likely voters — 49 percent — favor the Democratic candidate in their House district and 36 percent the Republican, with 15 percent still undecided in a FOX News poll conducted the final weekend before the midterm elections. More Democrats (37 percent) than Republicans (26 percent) say they are extremely interested in tomorrow’s elections, and more Democrats (89 percent) than Republicans (81 percent) say they plan to vote for their party’s candidate in their district…Independents favor the Democratic candidate by 42 percent to 27 percent…”

Anyway, what you’re seeing is Democrats getting excited. The ass kicking is about to begin. I predict 27 seats in the House and 5 in the Senate (1 short of control). Say hello to Speaker Pelosi.

3. GBS spews:

cont. @ 80

The bet is the Dems will control the House AND the Senate.

4. Observer spews:

Riiiiigghhht, Daddy, Rrrriiight.

Not.

5. Heathen Sinner spews:

I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a family man(shut up you fat whore…..Where’s Mike?) or being a hypocrit. I hate liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. HAIL HITLER!

6. Another TJ spews:

BigGlen, Dick Cheney described this election as critical in determining the direction we take in the “ideological struggle of the 21st century.” I guess, once again, Dick Cheney has “other priorities.”

7. Thomas Trainwinder spews:

John,

No, it’s not a waste to vote. I’m just saying that the democrats failed to develop a meaningful platform other than “Bush is Bad”.

The republicans are great at getting out the vote and focusing efforts at constiuencies that are under represented in polls.

It was a golden opportunity … avoided.

Look at the 8th district. Any decent, experienced democrat would have a 5-10 point lead going into election day. Instead, the democrats have an inexperienced contender. It’s just one example of the lack of party planning and will.

Remember 2004? The Dems felt really strong going in (Iraq was pretty bad) and the Reps bucked history and added to their majorities.

This was the year for the Dems to get cohesive. They failed. That’s too bad…as I want a change in congress. I just wish there had been the equivalent of a “contract with America” that was meaningful.

8. vancouver sucks spews:

I traced all the troll posts to Ed Orcutt. He is soooo predictable.

9. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Hey Righties. Your inbred cousin Mikey is 16 points behind Cantwell. Bendover girls. It’s time to take your medicine!

10. Ted Haggard Sucks MWS spews:

It’s worth ignoring giant, rambling, incoherant cut-and-paste jobs that foul an otherwise intelligent blog.

11. Thomas Trainwinder spews:

The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday. “Bush is bad” is good…but not enough to do a 1994-like turn.

Too bad, if they could have gotten it together this year, it would have been easy.

12. Don Joe spews:

If Democrats are getting edgy, then why is the NRCC paying for robocalls that violate FCC rules?

13. Roger Rabbit spews:

Makes you wonder how it even got on the ballot in South Dakota.

14. Roger Rabbit spews:

J.A.I.L. 4 Judges is a national organization dedicated to creating citizen “grand juries” in every state (and the federal government) with the power to second-guess — and punish — judges. Implementing their agenda requires amending the state and federal constitutions.

Their proposed legislation provides that no member of the executive or legislative branch, nor any lawyer, may serve on these “grand juries.” The latter, of course, guarantees that judges will be “judged” by people who don’t know anything about law.

Should this fantasy be enacted, I can tell you right now what will happen — there will be no judges serving on our courts except those who agree with the far-right ideology of these wingnut wackos. That’s because no lawyer in his right mind will risk becoming a judge if the Screaming Right acquires the power to sue and jail judges they don’t like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.A.I.L._4_Judges

15. Ted Haggard spews:

Mike Webb SUCKS! Come over. I need a massage. Bring some “stuff” too.

I’ll let you talk to the Preznit…

16. rhp6033 spews:

Dick Cheney hasn’t announced his hunting buddies yet for this trip. That will be determined after tomorrow’ election. Lots of “expendable” Republicans will be available, who will have a lot of extra time on their hands.

17. Roger Rabbit spews:

“O’Connor Worries About Courts’ Autonomy

“SAN FRANCISCO (AP) – Retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said she fears judges are under growing political attack nationwide.

“‘I’m increasingly concerned about the current climate of challenge to judicial independence,’ O’Connor told a gathering of state judges from around the country Friday. ‘Unhappiness with judges today is at a very intense level.’

“The judiciary is the weakest of the three branches of government, she said, and therefore the one with ‘the greatest need to be defended.’

“The executive and legislative branches have become the attackers, so ‘the principal defenders are going to have to be the people of this country,’ … she said.

“O’Connor, who retired in January after 24 years on the nation’s highest court, spoke just days before South Dakota voters consider the ‘Jail 4 Judges’ initiative. It would create a citizens’ grand jury that could authorize lawsuits or criminal prosecutions against judges based on their rulings.

“Colorado voters will decide whether to limit judges on the state’s highest courts to 10 years in office, a measure that would remove five of the state’s seven Supreme Court justices within two years.”

Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/y3jcb2

Roger Rabbit Commentary: If Richard Pope doesn’t make it here, he could move to Colorado and try for one of their courts after they’re removed all the qualified judges!

18. Roger Rabbit spews:

When you vote Tuesday don’t forget the Bushies made America safer by posting Iraqi documents on the internet that tell terrorists how to assemble a nuclear bomb.

19. Reporterward spews:

Worst Treehouse of Horror episode ever.

20. GBS spews:

JCH,

You never said “why” you felt compelled to lie about your military service, which has been the gist of my line of questioning all along.

What you don’t understand about the Liberman race is that if he wins that helps my position because Liberman will cacus with the Democrats for control of the senate. Remember the bet; whichever party controls the senate.

21. JCH [Visiting Pennsylvania] spews:

Dear ACORN, Illegals, New York City Jews who “double” vote Democrat in NYC and Palm Beach, and Democrat Blacks who get bussed to several polls in Milwaukee, Border Patrol with dogs, and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll to arrest and deport you on Tuesday!! Voter fraud is a capital offense!!!

22. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

When you vote Tuesday don’t forget the Bushies made America safer by posting Iraqi documents on the internet that tell terrorists how to assemble a nuclear bomb. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/6/06@ 12:45 am

Furball, you said: “Where are the WMD’s in Iraq?” So how could something nonexistent be posted by your worthless logic?

23. Roger Rabbit spews:

Next thing you know the wingnuts will accuse O’Connor (a Republican appointed by Reagan) of being a “liberal activist judge.”

24. Roger Rabbit spews:

Worst Treehouse of Horror episode ever. Commentby Reporterward— 11/6/06@ 12:51 am

Yeah, it doesn’t follow the TOH format. It’s too true-to-life.

25. stedman spews:

They tried to demonize Nancy Pelosi, but no one knew who she was. It’s hard to frighten voters with a “bogeyperson” named, NANCY!

What a bunch of YOHO’s!!!

26. Joel spews:

Ain’t it true

27. Roger Rabbit spews:

Mike!? McGavick is the problem, not the solution. He wants to increase federal deficits by creating “private accounts” with Social Security taxes. We already have private accounts … they’re called IRAs, Roths, Keoghs, and 401(k)s.

28. Thomas Trainwinder spews:

66 Stedman

Unfortunately, your response proves my point.

The Dems platform is effectively “The Reps. don’t have a strategy”.

You say I don’t know what I’m talking about. Perhaps. I hope the Dems take at least one house. I just feel that they missed their big change.

29. rhp6033 spews:

Newsweek’s Last Polling, reported Nov. 4th:

“Nov. 4, 2006 – As President George W. Bush jets across Red State America this weekend, Republican candidates are falling further behind Democratic rivals, according to the new NEWSWEEK poll. While the GOP has lagged behind Democrats throughout the campaign season, the trend in the past month—when NEWSWEEK conducted four polls in five weeks—had suggested the Republicans were building momentum in the homestretch.

No more. The new poll finds support for Republicans (and for President Bush) receding. For example, 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win enough seats to take control of one or both houses of Congress in the midterm elections on Tuesday. Those results are close to early October levels, while less than a third of Americans (32 percent) want Republicans to retain control. If the elections were held today, 54 percent of likely voters say they would support the Democratic candidate in their district versus 38 percent who would vote for the Republican-a 16-point edge for the Democrats….

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15557264/site/newsweek/

30. Mike McGavick Eats Babies spews:

re 42: Go away. You’re an idiot.

31. Daddy Love spews:

54 TT

The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday

The Republicans lack a cohesive plan to “generate” victory in Iraq, and everyone knows it.

And the seven-point lead in the (USAToday/Gallup) generic poll is exactly where the congressional generic was for the Gallup poll for the Republicans in 1994. And Fox News is reporting a 13-point edge in the generic poll.

So, to close, you don’t know what you’re talking about. However, your ignorant opinion is noted.

32. JCH [PA] spews:

GBS, Again, your question has been answered in previous posts. FYI, I figure you are out of here in 48 hours, and I will take full credit for taking out the liberal Democrat traitor garbage. [BTW, COKER wins in TENN………Liberman goes independent, and Kerry’s big liberal “insult the troops” mouth kicks you off HA.ORG. “Game…….Set……..Match” Regards, JCH

33. Mike Webb SUUUUUCKS spews:

Ted Haggard look alike: Sorry you are not my type. My type is soft female and has nice suckable protrusions on their chest.

I see you want to emulate him. Better call Mike Jones!

34. David Wright spews:

That is funny! (And, for the record, I supported the war, despite not believing the WMD canard.)

35. ArtFart spews:

56 NPR was reporting that Cheney’s going hunting with his daughter.

36. Mike Webb SUUUUUCKS spews:

Why is moonbattism against all that is good.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/05/AR2006110500770.html?nav=rss_world

“With a potentially historic U.S. midterm election on Tuesday and the war in Iraq a major issue at the polls, many soldiers said the United States should not abandon its effort here. Such a move, enlisted soldiers and officers said, would set Iraq on a path to civil war, give new life to the insurgency and create the possibility of a failed state after nearly four years of fighting to implant democracy.

“Take us out of that vacuum — and it’s on the edge now — and boom, it would become a free-for-all,” said Lt. Col. Mark Suich, who commands the 1st Squadron, 89th Cavalry Regiment just south of Baghdad. “It would be a raw contention for power. That would be the bloodiest piece of this war.”

The soldiers declined to discuss the political jousting back home, but they expressed support for the Bush administration’s approach to the war, which they described as sticking with a tumultuous situation to give Iraq a chance to stand on its own.”

Being moonbat is a mental disorder!

37. Mike Webb SUUUUUCKS spews:

Here is something to wake up the clueless ones in the morning:

http://people-press.org/reports/tables/295.pdf

The race is tightening up!

39. GBS spews:

JCH,

You’re correct, very soon one of us will be banned from HA permanently. Since we’re so close to never exchanging barbs again let me ask you just one question. And, for Pete’s sake, please be honest.

Why did you mislead people and try to convince them that the reason you didn’t finish flight school and become a Naval aviator was just a figment of my “vivid imagination?”

40. BigGlen spews:

Dick Cheney is going hunting, agian. Does this mean that he will “bag” another lawyer?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/05/cheney.hunting/index.html

41. Mike Webb SUUUUUCKS spews:

The truth will set you free moonbats. It’s worth repeating the truth!

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To Roger Rabbit and his friends, there are only two worlds left: terrorist free or terrorist controlled. Apparently are for the latter. Why? Below is an article with real names, not one with anonymous entries from unnamed sources!

“Terrorists love Democrats: “By Aaron Klein
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

JERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday’s midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are “tired.”

They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed. Of course, donk and islamofascists think alike!

They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America’s war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq.

President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region

The debate became especially poignant following remarks by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the 2004 presidential candidate who voted in support of the war in Iraq. Earlier this week he intimated American troops are uneducated, and it is the uneducated who “get stuck in Iraq.”

Kerry, under intense pressure from fellow Democrats, now says his remarks were a “botched joke.”

Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi’s comments on Iraqi insurgency

Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.” – Moonbats how come the CNNs of the world could not find these Muslims? Or I think they didn’t want to show America the real enemy. They were scooped!

He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would “mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America).”

“Therefore, a victory in Iraq would be a greater defeat for America than in Vietnam.”

Jaara said vacating Iraq would also “reinforce Palestinian resistance organizations, especially from the moral point of view. But we also learn from these (insurgency) movements militarily. We look and learn from them.”

Hamas’ Abu Abdullah argued a withdrawal from Iraq would “convince those among the Palestinians who still have doubts in the efficiency of the resistance.” Did you say cut and run emboldens their resistance?

“The victory of the resistance in Iraq would prove once more that when the will and the faith are applied victory is not only a slogan. We saw that in Lebanon (during Israel’s confrontation against Hezbollah there in July and August); we saw it in Gaza (after Israel withdrew from the territory last summer) and we will see it everywhere there is occupation,” Abdullah said.

While the terror leaders each independently urged American citizens to vote for Democratic candidates, not all believed the Democrats would actually carry out a withdrawal from Iraq.

Saadi stated, “Unfortunately I think those who are speaking about a withdrawal will not do so when they are in power and these promises will remain electoral slogans. It is not enough to withdraw from Iraq. They must withdraw from Afghanistan and from every Arab and Muslim land they occupy or have bases.”

He called both Democrats and Republicans “agents of the Zionist lobby in the U.S.”

Abu Abdullah commented once Democrats are in power “the question is whether such a courageous leadership can [withdraw]. I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so. I tell the American people vote for withdrawal. Abandon Israel if you want to save America. Now will this Happen? I do not believe it.”

Still Jihad Jaara said the alternative is better than Bush’s party.

“Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world.” – Now where did he hear that except from the fringe moonbats!

Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:02 am
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More thoughts for you Roger Rabbit:

Democrats: ‘No comment’
on terrorists’ endorsement
DNC, Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy decline
to discuss jihadists’ vote of confidence

——————————————————————————–
Posted: November 3, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

National leaders in the Democratic Party, including Howard Dean’s Democratic National Committee, potential House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, possible presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and longtime party stalwart Ted Kennedy don’t want to talk with WorldNetDaily about an endorsement their party has received.

The endorsement came via a WND article by Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, who interviewed leaders of several prominent Mideast terrorist organizations, including Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad.

“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

But WND was unable to get a single comment from dozens of telephone calls made over two days and messages left with various leaders’ offices and press secretaries.

“I’ll see what we can do,” was the best response WND obtained when asking for a comment on the endorsement, and that came from Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Hammill in Pelosi’s office. It came on the third call to that office.

The Democratic National Committee was approached at least six times, and multiple messages were deposited on a voice mail system handled by the courteous Rosemary, who said, “We’re extremely busy,” but there was no response, even after one spokesman in Sen. Barack Obama’s officer referred WND to the DNC because such a question would be in “Chairman Dean’s” territory.

The Democratic Leadership Council’s response to multiple phone calls was similar, a promise to call back later.

At least three messages left with Sen. Clinton’s office went unreturned after a receptionist forwarded the calls to an answering machine, which informed WND that, “No one is available to take your call at this time.”

Calls to Sen. Kennedy’s office actually reached a live person, who listened to the request and promised, “If we’re able to we’ll shoot you something. We can’t promise.”

Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar’s office generated a merry-go-round of telephone numbers. A call to his Washington office generated a referral to a Denver office, which generated a referral to a press office, which generated a referral to a cell phone. When a spokesman answered that number, the caller was referred back to the press office, which had an answering machine attached to the line. Leave a message.

A call to Sen. Harry Reid also allowed the caller to leave a message.

On the Republican side, Sen. Tom Tancredo, of Colorado, said those Mideast leaders are right – in one way.

He told WND that the assessment by terrorists who suggested U.S. voters choose the Democrats on Tuesday because they believe an expected removal of U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory is hard to dispute.

“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

The president’s recent statements also have given those factions reason to hope for better results under a Democrat Party leadership than the existing decision-makers.

“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said during a campaign stop this week. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction.

“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

Of course Goldie is a no show on this. This blows apart any further consideration who supports cut and run and who is supportive of cut and run!

Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:06 am
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Next for your review Roger Rabbit. This is the real world. Something you and your furballettes do not live in:

“ELECTION 2006
Lawmaker: Terrorists
right about Democrats
GOP congressman reacts to militants’
endorsement of ‘party of cut-and-run’

——————————————————————————–
Posted: November 3, 2006
12:41 p.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

Leaders of Mideast terrorist organizations such as the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad are right – in one way, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

Terrorists interviewed by WorldNetDaily suggested Americans should vote for Democrats Tuesday, because the party’s plan to remove U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory.

Tancredo today told WND the assessment is hard to dispute.

“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into, and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

Multiple messages left over the course of two days seeking comment from the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Leadership Council, the offices of Sens. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton and others were not returned to WND.

The Republican National Committee also did not return a message asking for comment.

The president’s recent statements also have given the terrorists reason to hope for better results should the Democrat Party leadership be in power rather than the existing decision-makers.

“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction,” Bush said during a recent campaign stop.

“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

His comments were on the same subject being discussed by those terrorist leaders this week.

“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.

They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

Bush’s comments came on a campaign swing through southern states, where he was stumping for Republican candidates in a mid-term election that could leave either Republicans or Democrats in control of Congress, and terrorists a focal point of many debates.

“We will defeat them,” he promised. “We’ll defeat them because our commanders on the ground have all the flexibility necessary to make sure that we constantly stay ahead of the enemy. We’ll defeat them because we got a fantastic United States military,” he said.

“We will succeed in Iraq because the Iraqis want to live in a peaceful society. Twelve million – nearly 12 million defied car-bombers and assassins and terrorists and went to vote. … And I believe strongly that they’ll become a government of the people, and by the people, and for the people.

“As a matter of fact, I believe the only way we cannot succeed is if we leave before the job is done,” he said.

Bush said Democrats have talked a lot about different plans to deal with terrorism.

“They’ve come up with a lot of creative ways to describe leaving Iraq before the job is done. Sometimes they say, ‘immediate redeployment.’ Sometimes they say they wouldn’t spend another dime on our troops. Sometimes they say the idea that we’re going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong. However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses,” he said.

But in a statement on their website, the Democrats said, “We will protect Americans at home and lead the world by telling the truth to our troops, our citizens and our allies. We believe in a strong national defense that is both tough and smart, recognizing that homeland security begins with hometown security.”

“Democrats have a plan that is comprehensive – from repairing our military, to winning the war on terror, to protecting our homeland security, to ensuring success in Iraq and freeing America of its dependence on foreign oil – and it will finally prepare America for the security needs of the 21st Century. And we honor the sacrifices our troops, their families and veterans by making sure we take care of them when they come home,” the statement continued.

A new New York Times poll also indicated that Americans believe the U.S. will pursue a “quicker exit from Iraq” should the Democrats be in control. The survey said Americans believe the Democrats “have coalesced around a general position of finding a way to reduce or end American involvement in Iraq” but it also noted “there is substantial disagreement among Democratic Congressional leaders and candidates about exactly how to accomplish that.”

“Nearly 75 percent of respondents, including 67 percent of Republicans and 92 percent of Democrats, said they expected that Americans (sic) troops would be taken out of Iraq more swiftly under a Democratic-led Congress.”

The poll said 41 percent of respondents said they expected that troop levels would decrease if Democrats won control, while 40 percent said the party would seek to remove all troops. Forty-one percent said that they expected troop levels to remain the same if Republicans won, while 29 percent said they thought the United States would send more troops if the Republicans continued to control Congress.

Vice President Dick Cheney has reinforced Bush’s plans:

“Time and time again, we’re seeing examples of Democratic Party leaders apparently having lost their perspective concerning the nature of the enemy we face, and the need to wage this fight aggressively,” he said in a campaign stop this week. “No sharper example can be found than the Democratic Party chairman himself, Howard Dean, who said the capture of Saddam Hussein didn’t make America any safer.”

Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, told WND the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.”

He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

I guess John Murtha is right? Wrong!

Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/4/06@ 8:11 am

42. ArtFart spews:

19 A few years back, when email spam was just starting to become a real problem, I and other systems administrators would attempt to contact the ISP’s of the originators and point out that such activitity violated their published terms of use. In the course of this I discovered how many of the major porn purveyors were hosted by the likes of AT&T and uunet.

43. Watching the Dinosaurs Die spews:

I love the Ink Spots.

Were Kodos and Kang supposed to be symbolic of the chickenhawks and Iraq, or the Federal Reserve (Greenspan and Bernanke) and the credit bubble, or both?

44. stedman spews:

Oh, my sweet and bleeding Jesus! I’m so scared! Here comes Nancy Pelosi!!! (hehe)

45. For the Clueless spews:

You do not post detailed classified plans for making the components of a nuke on the Internet!

Yeah. WOS is really into that crap. The Preznit made sure the 101st fighting keyboarders and crazy Curt Weldon could fuel their fantasies with all that crap and in the process hand WMD howto over to anybody.

Wingnuttia is the real deal mental disorder!

WOS loves terror..

46. Observer spews:

The moonbats are getting edgy, I think they realize they are about to lose the only poll that counts.

47. JCH [Visiting Pennsylvania] spews:

GBS………..Very soon!!! Thank you John “Swift Boat” Kerry!!!!

48. Roger Rabbit spews:

Klan Leader Dies In Prison

Samuel Bowers, 82, convicted and sentenced to life in 1998 for the 1966 murder of civil rights activist Vernon Dahmer, has died in a Mississippi prison.

http://tinyurl.com/yhcvyz

Roger Rabbit Commentary: Good riddance.

49. Daddy Love spews:

My posts disappeared.

50. Popeye spews:

Just to let you know, I backtracked the ISPs used by some of the spammers above and filed abuse reports.

The Haggard case has made me think about “values”. The special committee at his church did not fire him for using an extremely addictive brain damaging drug; but when they discovered that he probably got his cock sucked, they sacked him.

Of course, these are folks who go around town squirting holy water from bug sprayers to keep the demons away…

51. Daddy Love spews:

SurveyUSA polls in Virginia shows Jim Webb with 52% of the likely voters, with 44% going to Macaca Allen.

Count Virgina into the total, baby!

52. skagit spews:

Sad, isn’t it.

53. John Barelli spews:

“The democrats lack the cohesive plan to generate victory on Tuesday. “Bush is bad” is good…but not enough to do a 1994-like turn.

Too bad, if they could have gotten it together this year, it would have been easy.”

Commentby Thomas Trainwinder— 11/6/06@ 9:01 am

Oh, well. Since Mr. Trainwinder says that the Democrats can’t win this year, I guess it’s just a waste of my time to vote.

I’ll just stay home and let the Republicans keep spending my Great-grandchildren’s credit, while getting my shipmates killed and alienating most of the world.

I suppose that it’s a waste of time for me to get out and do my part to elect a House of Representatives that will actually look into the many ethical lapses of the Republicans. There’s just nothing I can do about removing the culture of corruption that has totally controlled Washington DC for the last six years.

Mr. Trainwinder tells me that we can’t win, and that the Democrats basic idea that the first thing we have to do is stop heading in the wrong direction isn’t good enough. Oh, the heartbreak. I had hoped that we could re-take the House, but now that Mr. Trainwinder has told me that it’s a lost cause, I suppose that I’ll just stay home tomorrow and watch reruns of old “Matlock” episodes.

Of course, since all of us Democrats are going to stay home and watch Matlock, there really isn’t any reason why Republicans should go out in the nasty weather and vote, either. I hear that it will be a really good Matlock episode. No need to head out there in the rain. Why don’t you just stay home?

We’ll tell you how the election turns out.

54. Mike McGavick? Eats Babies spews:

I’ve been bar-b-queing and eating babies to relieve my pre-election anxiety. But it’s OK. They’re fully born babies so no murder is involved.

55. David spews:

@36 – I have often wondered whether neo-cons understand “reverse psychology” even as blatantly poor a representation of it as you quote in your post.

Al-Queida and their ilk want people to vote Republican because they know the Republican party will follow orders and make a lot of money and arms flow into the terrorists coffers.

But terrorists are stupid. They consider this press release to be “cutting edge” and think it will fool Americans into voting for Bush. They don’t realize that we as a nation have cut our teeth on the best that advertising has to offer and aren’t going to be fooled by some pathetic attempt to keep the republicans in control.

56. stedman spews:

Oprah told about a bazillion chicks to vote DEM. Who you think them chicks listen to? Rush Limbaugh or Oprah Winfrey-Stedman.

Uh oh! Oprah spotted that “Winfrey-Stedman” comment and she’s headed my way with a skillet full of hot bacon fat!!!

57. Daddy Love spews:

Maybe it was naother thread that MWS W\was spamming with the same posts (minus the three-page WorldNetDaily scumfest).

For all of you who said that the NYTimes was guilty of treason for exposing illegal administration activities:

You do not post detailed classified plans for making the components of a nuke on the Internet! As if this needs any escalating qualifiers, you especially don’t post it in Arabic in the middle of a war against well-financed terrorists teeming with crazy, suicidal jihadists. We have no way of knowing how much this helped the bad guys, but that’s hardly the point. It does not matter how useful the information given away turns out to be. At the least, for those at fault it should mean being firedb> plus immediate revocation of any and all security clearances. If done knowingly for a seedy, ulterior motive against the stated consensus of seasoned national security professionals, it is a capital crime. You’re lucky if you get forty years in the federal pen for giving secrets to the enemy.

Right?

58. ArtFart spews:

Saddam WHO???

59. ArtFart spews:

OOPS! Sorry.

60. Daddy Love spews:

70 TT

I just wish there had been the equivalent of a “contract with America” that was meaningful.

You’re not paying attention either in here or in the big world.

The Democratic party has it’s Six Point Plan, which you somehow missed. Hard to say how, since the rolled it out in July 2006.

And, of course, in every major paper in the country you COULD have read about Speaker=to-be Pelosi’s First 100 Hours agenda, but you didn’t.

You see, “they don’t have a plan:” is the Republican way to keep you from realizing that “The Republican plan ISN’T WORKING.” Seems like they really “catapulted the propaganda” in your case.

Six Point Plan:
1. Honest Leadership & Open Government
2. Real Security
3. Energy Independence
4. Economic Prosperity & Educational Excellence
5. A Healthcare System that Works for Everyone
6. Retirement Security

First 100 hours agenda:
Day One: Put new rules in place to “break the link between lobbyists and legislation.”

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours:
- Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.
- Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds _ “I hope with a veto-proof majority,” she added in an Associated Press interview Thursday.

All the days after that:
“Pay as you go,” meaning no increasing the deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or some other priority.

61. JCH [PA] spews:

Dear Terrorist Moooooooooooooslims and illegal aliens, NO!! YOU MAY NOT VOTE!!!!! Border Patrol with big attack dogs and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll!!! In addition, Democrat blacks in Milwaukee who destroy Republican vans tonight will be arrested and will lose their “guvment” checks!!!!

62. Daddy Love spews:

72 JCH

Coker wins in Tennessee? Oh, wow, what a blow to Democrats; we fail to capture one of the seven possible pickups. Is that what “victory” looks like to you pathetic losers now?

63. Daddy Love spews:

Pennsylvania: Casey (D) win
Ohio: Brown (D) win
Maryland: Cardin (D) win
Rhode Island: Whitehouse (D) win
Montana: Tester (D) win
Virgnia: Webb (D) win
Missouri: McCaskill (D) win

And Connecticut? I think Lamont can do it, but it’s not a good bet.

64. JCH [PA] spews:

Illegal Democrat voting Mooooooooooooooooooooooslims who are not citizens will be deported back to Mooooooooooooooooooooooslimland!!!!

Daddy Love, 25% of Democrat votes in NM [Baja Norte, MX] are ILLEGAL!!!!!! Hey Illegals!!!! Border Partrol and the MinuteMen are ready!!! We will deport you and your “anchor babies”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Goldy, 11/05/2006, 10:45 AM

I love Cliff Schecter.

Remember all those years when you’d watch some GOP SOB viciously shouting down some stiff, jaw-clenched Democrat who would just politely bend over and take it? Well no more. This is how the game is played, and unless everybody gets together and agrees to change the rules, this is how we’re going to play it.

128 Responses to “Open thread”

1. sgmmac spews:

Skagit,

You arn’t paying any taxes for education in this state. Wrong estate tax.

Roger,

My point is – it’s ridiculous to rely on a tax that relies on someone from a certain class dying. If I believe the ads – we are relying on less than 1% of the population in Washington state to die………

How about a state income tax – so skagit can pay big bucks! Better yet, why not make the income tax progressive so that Bill Gates and Paul Allen can start paying for education NOW!

2. Roger Rabbit spews:

42 (continued)

Why the fuck should I argue your side of the argument? Are you too stupid or lazy to do it yourself? I’m not your fucking secretary.

3. Another TJ spews:

“Truth2006″, could please summarize the New Hampshire phone jamming scandal? Thanks so much.

4. coiler spews:

One only has to read the words on the John Rogers Memorial in Olympia to hear what the 3rd Gov of Washington was talking about:

“I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves.”

5. Heathen Sinner spews:

Ted Haggard – Fucking Liar. Another Dumb ASS Mother Fucking REPUBLICAN. I think this speaks for itself. Now just substitute Geroge Bush for Ted Haggard. Have no shame. Go Christian Coalition! HAIL HITLER!

6. MightyRighty spews:

Schecter is a LIAR. Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.

At any rate, Republicans will retain control of congress. No way will Democrats get both houses of congress. So live it up in your fantasy land liberals. Realisty strikes on Tuesday!

Here are some sample conspiracy theories for you to rehearse for Tuesday:

Diebold machines

Voter suppression in Ohio (oops, better not mention that tired point as the MSM did report on Democrats trading crack cocaine for fraudulent voter registrations there).

Chimp, chimp, chimpy McChimp.

I am sure you all can think of more. You’ll have plenty of time here a the asylum to work on it over the next 4 years though. Enjoy!

7. Mike Barer spews:

Bravo to Cliff, best thing is he’s probably Jewish!

8. skagit spews:

Well let’s all vote with the newspapers endorsements Skagit…

I read the Time,and you all had a cow for their opinion, so I guess you are voting for Mike and Dave……

Commentby Kiroking— 11/5/06@ 4:48 pm

That’s why I said most. Blethen didn’t . . . but my post with “most” is more accurate than yours. Name another. . .

9. skagit spews:

“I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves.”

Commentby coiler— 11/5/06@ 4:49 pm

And if they couldn’t, they’ve got the stupid poor to do it for them.

10. JDB spews:

Bush finally speaks the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e07uIcQMFlE

11. skagit spews:

I was talking to one of my classroom parents the other day and we discussing the poor state of education today, esp. among the lower class and even lower middle class. He suggested that it was public policy to keep people stupid . . . might be something to that.

12. Roger Rabbit spews:

20

It makes me want to say to hell with it. Commentby FaithfulDemocrat— 11/5/06@ 1:18 pm

Maybe you should go back and review Coulter’s remarks about wanting to kill liberals and Democrats. You’re under attack, my friend. Newt Gingrich told these guys to wage “civil war” against us, and that’s exactly what they’re doing. Would you rather get shot in the front advancing toward the enemy or shot in the back running from the enemy? If you’re a Democrat, you have no other choices at this point.

13. Roger Rabbit spews:

Cry me a fucking river for the poor picked-on rich, Mac.

14. sgmmac spews:

Gidget,

Those who are for consumption taxes are those who know that they don’t consume very much!

The rich multi-millionaires love consumption taxes, because they pay very little as a percentage of their income.

But you, Gidget, can keep paying 17% of your income so that Bill Gates can pay less than 1/100th of his income!

15. sgmmac spews:

Roger,

I wasn’t arguing that they shouldn’t pay the majority of taxes. Just trying to get a point across to the bone-headed school teacher…………..

16. harry poon spews:

What can we do to further punish Joe Lieberman? When he retires I want him to be a sad and broken man.

17. Another TJ spews:

I read newspapers everyday. As a matter of fact, I consume them!

Well, they are high in fiber.

18. skagit spews:

Our state constitution requires adequate funding for education from the STATE. Why can’t they find a STABLE income source? SMEG

YOU are the STATE you fool. You are the stable income source. I guess you like it that way. Or have you got a better tax in mind? If you do, put it out there. I might have some glimmer of respect for you if you can find a solution instead of being part of the ignorant problem.

19. Another TJ spews:

Damn you for telling me to watch that and not warning me about the involvement of Rita Cosby.

20. Roger Rabbit spews:

Actually, I couldn’t find a single wingnut letter in today’s on-line edition of The Columbian. But kudos to Eric C. Jensen of Vancouver for taking on one of that newspaper’s irrational, wingnutty, far right letter writers:

“Regarding Don Jennings’ Oct. 30 letter, ‘Keep GOP in control,’ the most recent surge of violence in Iraq is related to the holy month of Ramadan, not the attempt by insurgents to get Democrats elected to replace Republicans. … Please stop getting opinions from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the other talking-points locksteppers. Use the lessons of history to formulate your arguments.”

And to Dave Vallely of Vancouver:

“The terrorists in their wildest dreams never imagined doing as much damage to America as this Republican administration has done. … The Republicans have trashed the U.S. Constitution …. Why are Republicans attacking and trashing gold-star mothers, retired generals, veteran U.S. senators and anyone who questions their failures? Because all they have is fear-mongering and hate. … Democracy: use it or lose it. Get informed, get involved and vote ….”

http://tinyurl.com/y5e2ec

Thank God not everyone in Clark County is flaming nuts! And thanks, guys, for standing up to the wingnut bullies — that’s what it’s going to take to save our country from fascism.

21. Roger Rabbit spews:

46

“Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein’s acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. …

“All of the quotes listed above are substantially correct reproductions of statements made by various Democratic leaders regarding … Saddam Hussein’s … weapons of mass destruction.

“However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S.

“Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in ‘degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein’s ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.’”

Snopes.com then discusses at great length the context of the quotes. http://tinyurl.com/3btfn

22. Roger Rabbit spews:

This sort of cherry-picking produces results like this:

Original (hypothetical) quote:

“Roger Rabbit is a liberal freak. He shouldn’t call me a wingnut traitor. I’m a nice guy.”

After Roger Rabbit’s editing:

“Roger Rabbit is a … nice guy.”

See what I mean? I can play this selective-quotes game too! Why shouldn’t I? You guys do it. Why should you have a fucking monopoly on selective quoting? Republicans want a monopoly on every fucking thing!

23. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Man this guy is great. We need MUCH MUCH MUCH more of this to beat these traitors.

24. skagit spews:

Rabbit, go easy on Mike! He’s history.

25. sgmmac spews:

Gidget,

I read newspapers everyday. As a matter of fact, I consume them!

26. FaithfulDemocrat spews:

Righty, I think we will do better than that. But I must say that I don’t think this fellow did our side any good by his foul mouthed invectives. I am not excusing the GOP guy, but we are supposed to show we are above that.

We don’t need filthy language to win elections. That fellow was shameful. At the end of the day, all that shouting down does is turn off voters.

It makes me want to say to hell with it.

27. Roger Rabbit spews:

22

So please don’t stop…. Commentby Kiroking— 11/5/06@ 1:33 pm

You first. Your side started it. We’ll stop when you stop.

28. Roger Rabbit spews:

32

Is that you, ProudAss? Pretending to be a “faithful Democrat?”

29. For the Clueless spews:

That Blakeman is a classic wingnut GOP shill. All the corruption and failure of GOP just seems to be no big deal – he just shrugs and says it’s all “untrue”.

The only way to deal with people like this is to defeat them utterly – vote them out and keep them out for a generation.

But it won’t happen until people give a damn.

30. So Cal Dem spews:

Absolutely Awesome! I have found Cliff to be a bit ‘inappropriate’ – like with a woman named Mary Katherine-somebody he debated on CNN a couple of weeks ago but, matched with an A–hole like this Brad, he was perfect.

31. For the Clueless spews:

114 – Sheer propaganda. Rich people earn loads of income they don’t have to sweat for – there is no reason this income shouldn’t be taxed at a higher rate to level the playing field for all citizens. You wingnuts may have a point when you complain your taxes are too high on money you have to earn but never sabotage the future of your kids by being complicit in passing on government debt to them.

32. For the Clueless spews:

Pastor Ted confesses to his flock (through a spokesman).

I HAVE SINNED!!!!

Sigh.. Like we haven’t heard this before?

33. Roger Rabbit spews:

The Vancouver Columbian reported today,

“An oversight by an employee in the U.S. Postal Service’s Portland office led to delayed delivery of several thousand Clark County ballots, mostly to Ridgefield-area voters. Auditor Greg Kimsey said they finally were delivered five or six days later than should have been the case, but still well ahead of Nov. 7.” http://tinyurl.com/ydwoaw

Watch the wingnuts spin that into,

“King County disenfranchised military voters again!”

34. Roger Rabbit spews:

The inheritance tax repeal is a scam, of course. The $184 million of education needs it de-funds won’t go away. All this initiative does is transfer taxes from the very wealthy to people of ordinary means.

35. skagit spews:

And if you’re so well read, why don’t you know anything?

36. My Left Foot spews:

9

The Opinion referenced in the post concerns IRAQ and GWB, it has nothing to do with sports.

37. skagit spews:

Yeah, and they won those major wars in less time than it takes this guy to develop a plan.

38. skagit spews:

Go to bed Truthiness and sleep it off.

39. harry poon spews:

If we win big we’ve still got to keep the pressure on these goddamn politicians or they’ll backslide into the comfort of selling out to the big corporations. Muckraking seems to work the best.

The value of humiliating a sellout and at the same time retrieving any of their ill gotten gains is the way to go.

It was Harry Truman who said that any politician who went into politics without money and came out rich is a dishonest politician.

We gotta keep an eye on these toads and hopefully keep the “bully pulpit” of free speech via the internet.

40. Another TJ spews:

Commentby FaithfulDemocrat

I agree. If only all Democrats were like Joe Lieberman! When Joe called Lamont a jerk, that was classy. And when Joe’s supporters blocked Lamont from speaking at a senior center, that made me want to run out and vote immediately. And when Joe changes his positions to match whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear, my faith in democracy is reestablished.

41. Roger Rabbit spews:

GREGOIRE PROPOSES $315,000,000 TAX CUT

08:25 AM PST on Friday, November 3, 2006
Associated Press

OLYMPIA, Wash. – Washington businesses and workers would save an estimated $315 million under a proposed six-month suspension of some of the payments they make for workers’ compensation insurance. … The fund would still have enough money to pay benefits for injured workers. … State officials say the payments can be suspended because of a large budget surplus.

http://tinyurl.com/vh7n2

42. skagit spews:

You know, Rabbit, she’s already voted to repeal. She better not sleep tonight . . . cause she deserves to lay awake wondering how much more she’s going to have to cough up to make up the difference. While all her “poor” rich inheritors are vacationiing in the Caribbean and laughing over their gin and tonics.

I watched the PI editorial board question the son of a commercial property owner in Belleve and a spokesperson for the other side. His name was Aaron I think. Anyway Aaron talked about how hard his parents worked to achieve their wealth . . . of course, mom was a real estate agent (talk about having inside information) and that he had to ride his bike three miles to weed the property when he was a kid. Of course, he didn’t mention that Bellevue grew up around the property which added to the value . . . nor that owning real estate is hardly a labor intensive way to acquire wealth.

Smeg would get it but the PI board did. If you read their editorial, they come down on the side that us real people pay the majority of taxes and decided we don’t need to pay more just to give the rich a break.

So much for your “facts” Smeg. Like I said, read a damned newspaper once in a while.

43. Another TJ spews:

Schecter is a LIAR. Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.

And Cliff didn’t say he wasn’t. He said Bush didn’t respond to the Cole attack. Bush was president when the intelligence agencies confirmed who was behind the Cole attack. So, thanks for highlighting another Bush screwup.

44. Truth2006 spews:

Here:

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

Beck sources off other documents so dismissing because it

45. skagit spews:

Anybody who’s leaving – which is just another piece bs from Smet – has my blessings because not only will they still have to pay the estate tax, but they’ll have the fun of paying moving vans and arriving with broken furniture and dishes.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of suckers.

46. skagit spews:

All sources to these quotes can be found .

Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:03 pm

Your quotes mean nothing to me. They can’t bring back the lives spent on this charade. Clinton never did my thinking for me. Just because you let others do your thinking for you . . . don’t ass-u-me we are all lazy bastards who buy the line. I listened to the people who were there . . . not the politicians. You’re ignorant if you get all your information from politicians and bureaucrats. So typically Rethuglican.

@24

Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from?

Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:25 pm

You continue to show you ignorance Smeg. The money will come from those of us in the middle who are already paying 17% of our incomes on taxes . . . while the rich are paying in aggregate about 4%. What an insipid and uninformed voter you are. You will trade your grandchildren’s education for more taxes on their parents.

47. FaithfulDemocratJoeDemocrat spews:

I certainly hope that after the Democrat party is dealt defeat in their attempt to take over the congress that they finally overthrow the leftist hate American scum that has taken over the party and return to it roots as a centrist party.

48. Roger Rabbit spews:

18 (continued)

The USS Cole was attacked on October 18, 2000 — about 3 months before Clinton left office. It was not immediately known who was behind the attack. How the hell do you retaliate when you don’t even know who did it? By January 20, 2001 — 5 days after Bush’s inauguration — the CIA and FBI were pointing the finger at Al Qaeda.

Bush’s national security advice, Condi Rice, tells us Bush — not Clinton — decided against a military retaliation against Al Qaeda for the Cole bombing (one supposes it would be similar to Clinton’s cruise missile attacks on Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan) because he didn’t want to attack A.Q. piecemeal, he wanted to eliminate it. So Bush, according to Wikipedia (which footnotes to the official 9/11 Commission report), “began work on a new strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda” — and did nothing to A.Q. until after 9/11.

What Wikipedia doesn’t mention is the Clinton administration warned incoming Bush officials that Al Qaeda was the most serious threat the U.S. faced; that the Clinton administration developed a comprehensive plan to fight terrorism and gave it to the Bush administration; and that the Bush administration shelved it and did absolutely nothing until 9/11 shook the Bushies out of their lethargy. They were busy. Bush was busy taking vacations in Texas (42% of his first 9 months in office), and Republicans were busy passing tax cuts for millionaires.

Spin, spin, spin. The Cole was one of the first balls that Bush dropped. It would not be the last, only a harbinger of the incompetence, lethargy, and negligence to come.

49. Roger Rabbit spews:

No negotiations with these bastards, Goldy! We’ll never return to “business as usual” with Republicans. Nothing less than unconditional surrender and Nuremberg-style trials. Let’s bomb them into submission!

50. Roger Rabbit spews:

68

“Democrats do not have nothing but utter contempt for our troops is and obviously a lie.” Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:40 pm

Let’s review. Democrats fought in all our wars. Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats. 9 of the 10 Iraq war veterans who ran for Congress this year are Democrats. Kerry served two tours in Vietnam, pulled dangerous duty on river patrol boats, was wounded and decorated. Bush was a draft dodger who used family pull to jump the line into a National Guard outfit so he wouldn’t go to Vietnam, then went AWOL from the Guard. Cher, a Hollywood liberal of the type people like you despise, personally donated $150,000 to Operation Helmet and raised public donations to buy battle helmets for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan they can’t wring out of Bush’s Pentagon.

P.S. — I gave $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ but you haven’t ponied up squat! Until you walk the talk, you’re a fake patriot and a lying POS.

51. K-Town spews:

Isn’t it funny that the word “testosterone” keep running in the crawler for a segment hosted by Rita Cosby?

52. Roger Rabbit spews:

The righties probably will spin it as a Democratic attempt to reduce the amount of money refunded to employers to cut into BIAW’s L & I refund skimming racket.

53. Roger Rabbit spews:

Mike!? McGavick is the problem, not the solution.

54. George Johnston spews:

Apparently no HTML is allowed. Or Clownstein is censoring again.
Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:05 pm

If David was able to run a website that forbade HTML then I think we have a story bigger than the immaculate conception!

55. skagit spews:

Make that “Smeg wouldn’t get it.”

56. sgmmac spews:

I like your idea Roger, are you running for office? I’ll vote for you…………..

As for the gas……… oh my. We will buy gas! There’s a news story out about the gas tax not being able to fund all of the projects these next two years…….

Skagit – You’ve been drinking or smoking too much dope!

57. My Left Foot spews:

Cliff is my hero. Right up there with Keith Olbermann and, oddly enough, Mike Lupica, the esteemed and extremely liberal, sportswriter at the NY Daily News. Today he had the following FRONT PAGE OPINION in the NY Daily News. Take a moment and read it.

We are not going to take it anymore. We are taking our damn country back.

58. Truth2006 spews:

81,

“How about we just tax all lawyers named after cartoon characters. Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm

How about if you pay the same taxes I do for starters. “

How much do you pay in taxes vs how much you make. I seem to recall some baosting on your part about huge stock gains. And hell you are a lawyer, so that means you did something nasty to get your ill gotten gain. Or did you lie when you claimed you were a lawyer?

59. Roger Rabbit spews:

2,006 Lies — Trying to change the subject after getting your ass kicked @ 54 & 80?

60. sgmmac spews:

Our state constitution requires adequate funding for education from the STATE. Why can’t they find a STABLE income source?

61. harry poon spews:

I was watching Elizabeth Dole on Meet the Press today and I sympathize with Bob and his need for Viagra. Doesn’t that irritating bitch ever shut her yap?

62. Another TJ spews:

What can we do to further punish Joe Lieberman? When he retires I want him to be a sad and broken man.

I think ending up in hell will be bad enough for the creepy thug.

(the video clip is terrific)

63. Rujax! spews:

18 REPUBLICAN Congressmen CURRENTLY under FEDERAL investigation.

64. skagit spews:

PLEASE get informed, Smeg. For the sake of your grandkids if not for your own.

65. Kiroking spews:

Well let’s all vote with the newspapers endorsements Skagit…

I read the Time,and you all had a cow for their opinion, so I guess you are voting for Mike and Dave……

66. Roger Rabbit spews:

57

Glad to see you finally figured out how to use your own fucking computer! I don’t have time to be your secretary. Since you’re criticizing ME for not quoting Wikipedia in entirety, I’m sure you won’t mind if I criticize YOU for selectively quoting from Wikipedia. Here’s the whole thing:

“etty Officer John Washak said that right after the blast, a senior chief petty officer ordered him to turn an M-60 machine gun on the Cole’s fantail away from a second small boat approaching. ‘With blood still on my face,’ he said, he was told: ‘That’s the rules of engagement: no shooting unless we’re shot at.’ He added, ‘In the military, it’s like we’re trained to hesitate now. If somebody had seen something wrong and shot, he probably would have been court-martialed.’ Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft ‘we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.’”

So why couldn’t they shoot? Because of the Rules of Engagement. Now let’s ask, where do the ROE come from? Good question. Here’s the answer:

“The US Department of Defense officially defines ROE as: ‘Directives issued by competent military authority which delineate the circumstances and limitations under which United States forces will initiate and/or continue combat engagement with other forces encountered.’”

Aha! Clinton didn’t make the ROE! “Competent military authority” did. So why even have ROE? For the same reason we don’t let cops blow away anybody they want whenever they feel like it. To protect innocent people.

I suppose some wingnut ignoramus who made a point of not reading up on the subject could attempt to paint ROE as a black-and-white, you’re-for-America-or-against-America issue. He’d be blowing shit out of his ass:

“The ROE are extremely important: They provide a consistent, understandable and repeatable standard on how forces act. Typically they are carefully thought out in detail well in advance of an engagement and may cover a number of scenarios, with different rules for each. They assist in the synchronization of political-diplomatic and military components of a strategy by allowing political commanders to better understand, forecast and tailor the actions of a force.
The first rule of engagement for United States military forces is always the right to use force in self-defense.

“In any engagement, the ROE need to balance two competing goals: The need to use force effectively to accomplish the mission objectives and the need to avoid unnecessary force. This creates room for two types of error:

“Excessively tight ROE can constrain a commander from performing his mission effectively, called a Type I error. It is typical for the political leadership to constrain the actions of military commanders. This is often a source of tension between the political leaders, who are trying to accomplish a political or diplomatic objective, and the military commanders, who are trying make the most effective use of their forces. Sagan [2] provides an excellent discussion of this topic. The UN Peacekeeper’s ROE (see UNAMIR) during the Rwandan Genocide is a tragic example of too restrictive ROE.

“Excessively loose ROE can facilitate the escalation of a conflict which, while being tactically effective, negates the political objectives that the use of force was meant to achieve. This is a Type II or ‘escalatory’ error and an example of it may be the killing of Jean de Menezes on July 22, 2005.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement

You see? It’s complicated! And wingnuts don’t understand complicated stuff, e.g. how to spell “to.”

Jean de Menezes, in case you don’t remember, was the innocent Brazilian that idiotic British bobbies pumped full of lead in a case of mistaken identity. The same kind of fuck-up that our government makes with depressing regularity in our officially sanctioned torture chambers. But the fact the majority of people our government has tortured were completely-fucking-innocent and were tortured because our government is completely-fucking-incompetent is too complicated for wingnuts to understand, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

67. Roger Rabbit spews:

erratum

“Petty Officer John Washak …”

68. Roger Rabbit spews:

64

“a tax that relies on someone from a certain class dying”

Well if you believe taxes are based on class, then the estate tax is no worse than taxing soda pop, which is a tax on people who can’t afford Chivas Regal.

69. Roger Rabbit spews:

Despite income taxes, estate taxes, and all the other abuse that society heaps on wealthy cheap labor conservatives, they still manage to …

not work
own the biggest houses
drive the most expensive cars
have fancy yachts
drink the best booze
belong to country clubs
send their kids to private schools and colleges
avoid military service
boss everyone else around
get waited on hand and foot

Personally, I could live with that! Sure doesn’t look to me like they’re being killed by income taxes, capital gains taxes, or estate taxes. They’re especially not being killed by taxes they don’t pay, which is most taxes, most of the time. In addition to all of the special privileges and perks listed above, they also have accountants and lawyers who are good at reducing their tax burden. They avoid a lot more taxes than wage earners do! And they get all sorts of neat exemptions, allowances, credits, and deductions the rest of us don’t get.

70. skagit spews:

BTW, Smeg, why have almost all the papers come out against it? Do you even read the papers . . . or look at information sites besides this one? Or are you one of those propagandized blowhards who hasn’t got a clue?

71. Truth2006 spews:

This quote says so much more about the Military under Democrats than anything else:

From one of the sailors on the USS Cole at the time of the attack:

“Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft “we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.””

Hopefully the link will come through if Clownstein isn;t censoring again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

72. Truth2006 spews:

Apparently no HTML is allowed. Or Clownstein is censoring again.

73. Roger Rabbit spews:

Ted Haggard Admits Sexual Misconduct, Lying

“Ousted Evangelist Confesses to Followers
“By COLLEEN SLEVIN, AP

“COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Nov. 5) – Saying he was a ‘deceiver and liar’ who had given into his dark side, the Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to sexual immorality Sunday in a letter read from the pulpit of the megachurch he founded.”

For complete story and/or (c) info see http://tinyurl.com/yz22ts

74. Roger Rabbit spews:

In case anybody missed it, this item is worth reposting:

Editorial

The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006

As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response.

Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

(Quoted under Fair Use)

75. Roger Rabbit spews:

Has anyone besides me noticed a rash of wingnuts pretending to be Democrats lately? The GOP is so bad even the wingnuts don’t want to be called “Republicans” anymore. They’re like John Gacy pretending to be a clown.

76. Roger Rabbit spews:

48

Apparently no HTML is allowed. Or Clownstein is censoring again.
Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:05 pm

Or you don’t know how to use a computer.

77. skagit spews:

But most of all, don’t whine that you are a poor washington teacher(you knew how much you would make when you took the job),

Where did I whine about my paycheck? I think you could use some remedial reading . . . I’m available if you can afford me.

78. Roger Rabbit spews:

Let’s clarify a couple things.

First, I’m not a “cartoon character,” I’m a real live rabbit living in a hole in a public park. Does this look like a fucking cartoon? http://tinyurl.com/yhmz5h

Second, there is no connection between my name and any other rabbit, real or imaginary, named “Roger.” My daddy was a rabbit. My mommy named my “Roger.” It’s a common Christian name. Ergo, “Roger Rabbit.” I mean, you didn’t expect them to name me “Roger Mule” or “Roger Centipede” or “Roger Eagle” when I’m a fucking rabbit, did you?

Third, I have no affiliation, connection, or association with the inventors, producers, etc. of any comic, book, film, or literary work about some other “Roger Rabbit.” Until they give me a share of the profits, I have nothing to do with it.

Fourth, “Roger” and “Rabbit” are both common English words and therefore not copyrightable. Calling myself “Roger Rabbit” is the same thing as John Smith calling himself “John Smith.” The fact that some other John Smith is in jail is no reason for challenging his voter registration, and anybody who tries it ought to be in jail, too.

Fifth, “Roger Rabbit” is alliterative. This is a big word, in fact it’s a huge word, so you’ll probably need to look it up in a dictionary. I’m sure you don’t have one in your trailer, so you’ll need to go to a public library, I’m sure there’s one in your community where wingnuts haven’t burned all the books yet. Try rolling it off your tongue … “R-r-r-o-g-g-g-e-r-r-r-r R-r-r-r-a-b-b-i-t-t … see what I mean? Alliterative. That’s why I like it.

Sixth, I didn’t read the book or see the movie either, so I have no fucking idea what they’re about, so I couldn’t possibly have adopted the persona of a cartoon character. The Roger Rabbit of HorsesAss.org together with all of my persona, thoughts, adventures, and opinions is solely a creative of my own furry paws pounding on my own fucking keyboard.

Seventh, if you don’t like it, take a deep breath and bend over as far as you can and suck a fart out of your ass. Be sure to swallow when you’re done.

79. skagit spews:

Lizzy Dole, ex beauty queen . . . with the intelligence to screw up the Red Cross? What a catch!

80. skagit spews:

But you, Gidget, can keep paying 17% of your income so that Bill Gates can pay less than 1/100th of his income!

Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 5:10 pm

Well, I guess I made my point. Does this mean you finally get it? Or are you still confused?

81. Roger Rabbit spews:

90

“the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country”

Why shouldn’t they? They have the majority of the income and property in this country.

82. Kevin Judge spews:

Schecter opened a nice can of whupass on that guy. There are so many facts to sling at these crooks that it is hard to do it effectively and breathe too. Cliff is a model for how to play this bullshit “he said she said” game. And oh, didn’t Rita try her damndest to prop up the Bushies on the Saddam verdict? Just like her Ken Mehlman talking points told her to.

Roll on Tuesday.

83. sgmmac spews:

Skagit,

The state provides money for education, the feds provide money for education, and the counties provide money for education and the little taxpayers who own homes pay property taxes which a portion of fund schools in their district. If you live in a distict like mine, you may have also voted for a special levy for schools. I voted for one last election to build new schools and/or renovate old schools. It’s the first “tax” that I ever voted in favor of…………..

84. Kiroking spews:

“I love Cliff Schecter.”

Goldy,

I can see the reason for your affection of schecter after listening to the guy. Are you moonlighting as a scriptwriter for Schecter? You both think alike.

“Well no more. This is how the game is played, and unless everybody gets together and agrees to change the rules, this is how we’re going to play it.”

Continue on, the REAL american people will tire of the language and ugliness real fast…. So please don’t stop….

85. Roger Rabbit spews:

IT’S THAT “LIBERAL MEDIA” AGAIN!!!

Hmmmm … the Vancouver Columbian isn’t exactly a bastion of lefty thinking, especially on its editorial pages. In particular, that newspaper prints copious quantities of irrational, wingnutty, far right “letters to the editor.” Maybe they just grow ‘em crazy down there in Clark County. Anyway, their editorial staff apparently has at least one voice of reason:

‘Death tax’ might be on its death bed

Sunday, November 5, 2006
JOHN LAIRD Columbian editorial page editor

Two weeks ago I boldly suggested that increasing the investment in public education might increase the dividends. Such a bizarre theory, as expected, had the anti-tax crusaders contorting like bacon on a griddle. Many unleashed their hackneyed lament about “just throwin’ money at the problem!”

Cheer up, tightwads! I bring good tidings. I predict Initiative 920 will pass next Tuesday, and our state estate tax will be repealed. Oh, but the news gets even better: When the “death tax” dies, that means $184 million will be taken from public education. And that comes on the heels of last week’s lawsuit filed by a dozen school districts, claiming that the state is spending $130 million short of what’s needed for special education.

So, instead of just throwin’ money at the problem, in these two cases we can actually deny public education a combined $314 million! All together now: Cell-uh-brate! Good times! Come on!

Flash back to 1944, when Congress decided to just throw money at a public need, mostly in public education. In the ensuing eight years, an astounding $14 billion was thrown by the government. Whitey Ford never threw so much. The commitment continues today. We just keep throwin’ money too many billions to accurately measure by now.

The original intent was to help victorious American soldiers of World War II resume their regular lives. The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944 became better known as the GI Bill.

Writing for the Los Angeles Times (his column appeared in The Columbian last Tuesday), author Edward Humes noted that the GI Bill “transformed the nation and the very nature of the American dream, opening up the colleges, raising suburbs out of bean fields, creating a new middle class and providing the medical, engineering and scientific prowess that conquered long-feared diseases, ushered in the Information Age and helped win the Cold War.” Bob Dole called the GI Bill the “biggest piece of legislation the country ever passed.”

GI Bill money has been thrown at 20 million veterans and dependents, people who went on to become three presidents (George H.W. Bush, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter), 14 Nobel Prize winners, doctors, nurses, teachers and tycoons.

But what’s in it for the taxpayers?

Anti-tax crusaders will snarl: So what? Just more government hand-outs, right? Perhaps, but a congressional study in 1988 revealed that the GI Bill has returned almost $7 for every dollar the public has invested. That dividend is measured in increased consumer spending and increased taxes paid by people who would not have gone to college without the GI Bill. Even as America’s gesture of gratitude to veterans has become a six-decade investment with a return of almost 7-to-1, surely there were those back in 1944 who complained about “throwin’ money at the problem.”

Fast-forward now to 2006 and the pending death-tax funeral. The Colum-bian endorsed I-920, and I predict most voters will agree. But a few of us voted against I-920 for one simple reason: We believe recipients of unearned income should be taxed the same as recipients of hard-earned income. The death tax’s postmortem will show two things:

* That $184 million tab won’t go away. Ultimately it will be paid by you and me, recipients of our own hard-earned income, mostly middle-class folks.

* Recipients of unearned income a few hundred multimillionaire heirs will hoist crystal goblets to toast I-920. Fat cats will get to buy bigger yachts.

Until then, while many angry people excoriate public investments, consider a few common personal investments:

Have you ever paid a dollar for a 20-ounce bottle of water? That’s $6.40 a gallon for the most plentiful liquid on Earth, stuff you can walk into any public building and drink for free.

Ever paid 75 cents for air for your tires? Or 45 cents extra just to use a debit card at a gas pump?

Finally, were you one of those giddy “investors” who poured $458 million last year into our state lottery ($73 per state resident)? Oh, but that was voluntary, you insist? Yes, but I would argue that supporting public education and investing in milestone measures such as the GI Bill likely will pay a bigger dividend than scratching frantically in some parking lot on a piece of cardboard.

http://tinyurl.com/y2cphn

(Quoted under Fair Use)

86. Truth2006 spews:

@80,

“Let’s review. Democrats fought in all our wars. Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats. 9 of the 10 Iraq war veterans who ran for Congress this year are Democrats. Kerry served two tours in Vietnam, pulled dangerous duty on river patrol boats, was wounded and decorated. Bush was a draft dodger who used family pull to jump the line into a National Guard outfit so he wouldn’t go to Vietnam, then went AWOL from the Guard. Cher, a Hollywood liberal of the type people like you despise, personally donated $150,000 to Operation Helmet and raised public donations to buy battle helmets for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan they can’t wring out of Bush’s Pentagon.

P.S. – I gave $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ but you haven’t ponied up squat! Until you walk the talk, you’re a fake patriot and a lying POS. “

Once again you lie like a typical liberal.

First of all let’s start with this lie:

“Most of the veterans in Congress are Democrats.” – lying Rabbit

US House of Representatives:

Reps with military service: 24.2%

Breakdown by party:

Republicans with military service: 15.2%
Democrats with military service: 9%
Independants with military service: 0%

Senators with military service: 30%

Republicans with military service: 17%
Democrats with military service: 12%

http://www.whoserved.com/

Now, let’s look at presidents:

Of the last four presidents, only the Republicans have served in teh military.

George W Bush
Military Service: Texas Air National Guard 1968 – 1973

Bill Clinton – NONE. Protested his country during Vietnam war on foreign soil.

George H W Bush

Military Service: Navy 1943 – 1945
Combat Service: World War II

* Was the youngest Naval Aviator at the time at age 18
* Flew combat missions in the Pacific during World War II
* Awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal (x3) and the Presidential Unit Citation

Ronald Reagan

Military Service: Army Reserve 1935 – 1941
Air Force 1941 – 1945

* Initially commissioned as a reserve cavalry officer in the Army in 1935
* Assigned to the First Motion Picture Unit in the United States Army Air Force after the attack on Pearl Harbor in which he made training and education films

So you gave $99 for helmet pads. And like John Kerry trying to pass himself off as a patriot, you never miss an opportunity to mention it either. Well asshole lawyer, I gave $500 to operation support the troops. http://www.operation-support-our-troops.org/ And that is probably one hell of a bigger percentage of my income than what $99 represents to to you asshole.

Perhaps if you liberal scum blocking supplies at the port then maybe they’d get to our troops.

But as we learned recently, you liberals think the troops are all uneducated and dumb and that is how they ended up in Iraq.

87. Another TJ spews:

I wonder if Glenn Beck has ever heard of snopes.

88. RightEqualsStupid spews:

The question is…

When we defeat the cowardly traitors on the right who’ve tried to give the terrorists a win by destroying our Constitution, will the inbred right wing republicans be:

1) Going to Lush Flimbaugh for some Viagra

so they can

2) Spend money visiting Pastor Ted’s gay prostitute?

HE HE! You righties are about to see what being asswhipped is all about. I can’t wait to see how many of you have turned tail and run on Wed. We’ll be here Wed to rub it in your cowardly chests.

I can’t wait to spit on you child raping assholes!!!!!!!!

89. sgmmac spews:

@24

Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from?

90. George Johnston spews:

McGavick$!, hypocrisy is your name.

91. skagit spews:

And, SMEG, the feds do not pay for education. They do fund some programs . . . like title 1 and nclb (which is underfunded). Tuition costs are the highest in history. And high middle and upper class families are fleeing to private schools that cost thousands more a year than the public schools get.

God save this society from people who get all their information from lying political ads.

92. Roger Rabbit spews:

And now … let’s check the local fish wrapper whose owner tirelessly laments that $900 million mom-and-pops like him are being driven out of business by evil conglomerates.

In a story on the 8th CD race:

“Voters frustrated by Republicans also were skeptical that Democrats could do better. And those who have soured on the GOP’s party loyalty thought the Democrats would be just as partisan.” http://tinyurl.com/yfqx6x

That’s liberal-biased reporting for ya. Next …

“The seemingly endless 2006 election season wraps up Tuesday …. Here is a handy clip-and-save list of Seattle Times endorsements and recommendations in key races:

“Republican Mike McGavick … has the potential to be an innovative and influential senator for our state. …

“In the 5th District, Republican incumbent Cathy McMorris is picked. Her knowledge of the issues has improved dramatically in her first term.

“Our 8th District endorsement goes to Republican incumbent Dave Reichert …. Democratic opponent Darcy Burner has too thin a résumé to replace him.

“Initiative 920 … the state estate tax … hurts family businesses and raises a marginal amount of money for state government. …”

You get the idea — more liberal crapola. Next …

“Kerry was certainly not a scholar in college, so his draft-avoidance objective … is probably the reason he enlisted in the Navy.” — Gary Kennedy, a proud member of the USMC and graduate from UW with higher grades than John Kerry, Des Moines

Roger Rabbit Comment — See what I mean about irrational, wingnutty, far right letter writers? Guess today is the Seattle Fish Wrapper’s day to get ‘em, because there’s more:

“Kerry went to college, got a push-button degree, and went to Vietnam (as an officer) to film his heroics. Pathetic.” — Kurt Mahugh, Woodinville

But thank God not all of the Fish Wrapper’s letter writers are nuts:

“Yes, the Democrats believe in bringing our troops home — alive …” — Dan Slaby, Auburn

“The Times has admonished Sen. John Kerry for his late apology for an obviously botched joke about Mr. Bush …. The president has never apologized for a botched war … for providing our troops with inadequate body armor … for dividing this nation … for turning us into the world’s pariah. And while we are at it, the Republican leadership has not apologized for not holding this administration accountable for its incompetence.” — Peter Moore, Seattle

Thanks, guys, for standing up to the rightwing bullies and nuts! You’re real Americans. As opposed to the fake, swaggering, smug, know-it-all, flag-waving kind.

http://tinyurl.com/yacw3m

93. Truth2006 spews:

How about we just tax all lawyers named after cartoon characters.

94. Another TJ spews:

Of course, that should be “could you…”

95. Roger Rabbit spews:

Comment 34 is hereby retracted. “Faithful Democrat” isn’t a Democrat, he’s a wingnut liar.

96. skagit spews:

Skagit – You’ve been drinking or smoking too much dope!

Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm

Your only response to papers endorsing “no” on the proposition; to the point about keeping the money in this Washingtin rather than the other Washington; to the 17% vs. 4% taxes the middle class to wealthy is dope?

Who’s the one operating without a battery here? Not me.

97. Truth2006 spews:

@76,

Who the hell sent the USS Cole to Yemen in the first place? BLow Job CLinton, that’s who. He sent them there as som sort of appeasement to muslims. If he hadn’t been so damned politically correct and sent that ship there in the first place, the whole thing wouldn’t have happened. And given that Clinton’s ambassador to Yemen, Barbara Bodine, was bedning over backwards to ensure that there was no offense to any muslim in Yemen, it would not be a big surprise to learn Clinton influenced the ROE.

Or haven’t you heard, the President of the United State is the Command in Chief of the military.

98. JCH [Visiting Pennsylvania] spews:

Dear ACORN Democrat cheaters, Democrat Mexican Illegals, New York City Jews who “double” vote Democrat in NYC and Palm Beach, and Democrat Blacks who get bussed to several polls in Milwaukee, Border Patrol with attack dogs, and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll to arrest and deport you on Tuesday!! Voter fraud is a capital offense!!! Only English will be spoken!!!!!!!

99. Truth2006 spews:

@58,

“I listened to the people who were there . . . not the politicians. “

Apparently not. You wish to ignore Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick when he reports that under a Democrat administration, he would be court martialed if he had fired on those terrorists. Let’s see EXACTLY what he said, shall we?

“we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

Your attempt to try to fake out the people into believeing that Democrats do not have nothing but utter contempt for our troops is and obviously a lie. From the contemptuous statements from Democrat John Murtha who presumes our marines guilty before a trial to John Kerry calling them dumb, Americans KNOW who supports them and who does not. Hint, it isn’t the Democrats.

100. skagit spews:

Oh gawd, that made my heart feel good! I’m sorry politics has become a shout-down match of attacks but the rethugs started it. . . we’ve finally got somebody who can do it back. Good ole’ Brad was swallowing a lot trying to keep up and trying to find something to say . . . revisiting Clinton? That’s lost its effect. Finally had to personally attack Chris . . . what a values-bankrupt party, this so-called “party of values.”

Also, I heard some talk on CSpan that quite a few voters in Tennessee didn’t even know Ford was black . . . they liked what he had to say and what he stood for. So, racism raises its ugly head again. Bigotry still pays its way, doesn’t it.

101. Roger Rabbit spews:

55

Go read the state supreme court decisions on the subject and then explain it to us.

Hint: The state constitution gives the power of taxation and spending to the legislature not courts.

102. Roger Rabbit spews:

55

So Mac — which tax should be raised to provide adequate funding for education? The estate tax?

103. Truth2006 spews:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein’s acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction.

Status: True.

104. Roger Rabbit spews:

42

Liar Rabbit, how about printing the FULL quote instead of the select portions? LIAR!!! Commentby FaithfulDemocratJoeDemocrat— 11/5/06@ 2:58 pm

See #56. I’m a partisan hack.

105. skagit spews:

On another blog, someone described Republicans as corporitists, bigots or gay-haters. Guess that about covers it.

106. FaithfulDemocratJoeDemocrat spews:

@31,

““According to Dr. (Condoleeza) Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s.””

Liar Rabbit, how about printing the FULL quote instead of the select portions? LIAR!!!

“According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s. She said he “made clear to us that he did not want to respond to al Qaeda one attack at a time. He told me he was ‘tired of swatting flies.’” The administration instead began work on a new strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda.

107. skagit spews:

Exactly. Smeg. WE pay the taxes and and we pay far more of them than the rich. The estate tax is one of those taxes they pay that helps recycle opportunities for the middle class. So you want you kids to pay even more taxes than they already do so that the rich can continue to pay less taxes than the rest of us? Boy, that’s great thinking! We thinking like that, I’ll be in the poorhouse in no time.

I have a house in Seattle. I know what paying property taxes is all about . . . our schools are going wanting because we middle class people in Seattle can’t take much more.

Oh, but let’s give those rich inheritors another break, shall we? And any estate taxes they pay are deducted from the federal taxes. It keeps the money at home. But, then, you probably didn’t know that either.

108. Kiroking spews:

Skagit

Why do you think “others” such a RICH people need to pay your share? Don’t you think the Rich People GIVE? Look at the gates foundation. Are you disappointed that they GIVE tons to OTHER countries who are a hell of alot worse off than us here?

As a school teacher, you of all people should understand the eductation system in this country. If you want a free ride, then hop on a plane to france. But if you want to enjoy the freedoms of the USA, then pay your fair share, and quit trying to suck off the teet of the rich.

There is a real good reason they are RICH, they had opportunities, and they took advantage of them. Tap into your mental resources, and take advantage of your opportunities. But most of all, don’t whine that you are a poor washington teacher(you knew how much you would make when you took the job), just trying to make america a better place and it for the children. It is the choice you made.

Make the best of it, but don’t take away from others because of the choices you made.

109. skagit spews:

Smeg: Yes, I knew that. I also know that some are leaving the state to keep the money in their pocket instead of the state’s pocket.

Name one person who’s leaving. And if they are leaving, how does that keep the money in their pocket? It will be going to WA DC . . . didn’t you understand that? Don’t you get it? It will not stay in their pocket.

110. sgmmac spews:

Gidget!

It will stay in their pocket with the right tax advisors and the right states.

As for who is leaving – I don’t remember his name – he had a press conference and he’s moving most of his businesses and his money to another state………..

Some people are doing it for the “principal” of it. While it’s true that the poor and the working class are paying a larger percentage of their income in taxes, the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country. The poor and the middle class in THIS state are hit with way more than their fair share because this state doesn’t have a state income tax….

111. sgmmac spews:

“And any estate taxes they pay are deducted from the federal taxes. It keeps the money at home. But, then, you probably didn’t know that either. ”

Yes, I knew that. I also know that some are leaving the state to keep the money in their pocket instead of the state’s pocket.
You will continue to pay those obscene taxes in Seattle as long as you continue to support sin taxes and death taxes.

The estate tax is an unreliable source of income for education, because it is dependent upon an external force. If no-one in that class dies – the money isn’t there. The truly rich in Seattle will NEVER pay the tax, they’ve hired the lawyers and advisors to shelter all of their money. If I was a multi-millionaire – I’d give it all away BEFORE I died!

112. Roger Rabbit spews:

75

How about we just tax all lawyers named after cartoon characters. Commentby Truth2006— 11/5/06@ 3:46 pm

How about if you pay the same taxes I do for starters.

113. Roger Rabbit spews:

12

Commentby lesbian gangbang— 11/5/06@ 12:09 pm

Another GOP campaign ad … ?

114. Roger Rabbit spews:

18

“Clinton was President when teh USS Cole was attacked.”

“According to Dr. (Condoleeza) Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush’s.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

115. skagit spews:

So he went to Iraq – the one country where the dictator didn’t want anything to do with Osama?

Even in context, Rabbit’s right. What fools you all are! (I’m laughing so hard at this weak attempt to diffuse an accurate quote) Afghanistan was the war . . . Iraq an induldence that cost thousands their lives while Bush dithers in bush-cutting country. What idiots you are!

116. Truth2006 spews:

“They’re like John Gacy pretending to be a clown.”

John Gacy was a Democrat.

117. skagit spews:

And Bundy was a Republican. So what? You’ve reached the bottom of the barrel. Finally.

118. Roger Rabbit spews:

53

“Estate taxes……. what if no multi-millionaires die next year? Where does your 184 million bucks come from? Commentby sgmmac— 11/5/06@ 3:25 pm

What if nobody buys any gas next year? Where do our roads come from?

119. skagit spews:

You are much to nice to this ignorant bigot and fool, Rabbit. BTW, I thought you made a great call to Goldy last week. He should have been nicer. You made a good point.

120. skagit spews:

BTW, interesting that you haven’t responded to one of my facts.

Also, Rabbit, you may like the progressive income tax, but I’m not convinced. There will be the same loopholes that the rich currently use to get out of taxes. As Gov Locke said himself, the states with the income tax are having just as much difficulty as the sales tax states. Since the feds are not helping much, everybody is in trouble. And this state will never get rid of the sales tax to implement an income tax. So, we’ll have taxes all over the boards and we’ll still be the ones paying them.

An income tax is another simple solution for simple minds like Smegs who want easy answers. You should know better.

I am for a consumption tax . . .

121. skagit spews:

the rich are paying the majority of the taxes in this country. SMEG

Smeg, there’s no hope for you. All the reasons above tell you why you’re wrong; but, with the herd mentality of the right-wing propaganda machine, you continue to prove why this country is in a mess and getting worse. For gods sake, read a book or a newspaper. Get yourself some education.

122. skagit spews:

If I believe the ads – we are relying on less than 1% of the population in Washington state to die………SMEG

Exactly the problem with you, Smeg. You get all your information from the ads. What a fucking fool.

123. coiler spews:

Let the troops speak for themselves
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/voteout.jpg

124. Roger Rabbit spews:

53 (continued)

Actually, you make an excellent point Mac. Under our current Rube Goldberg tax system, no dead millionaires would be a disaster for our schools! We need to eliminate the fiscal risks of actuarial fluctuation.

Therefore, I propose we eliminate the estate tax, enact a state income tax, and treat inheritances as ordinary income. That way, it gets rolled into a much larger tax. The advantage of this is that personal income as a whole is much less likely to fluctuate year-to-year than the amount of taxable inheritances.

125. Truth2006 spews:

Is anyone really surprised anymore at the depths the Democrats will go to help the terrorists? First they want them to have “OJ” trials and now we learn that Democrats have been leaking national intelligence secrets.

But then again, given that their party officials are crooks that violate campaign laws , trade crack cocaine for fraudulent votes and buy off voters to steal elections.

Is there no depth to which they will not sink???

126. skagit spews:

Why do you think “others” such a RICH people need to pay your share? Don’t you think the Rich People GIVE?

My share? 17% to 4%? Where did you get your math? JP Patches school for the Slow?
And no, research shows that percentagewise, middle class people give more of their income to charity that the rich.

See, all of you are clueless and you are your own worst enemies. I don’t care if you want to give to the rich . .. but please don’t give my money to the rich as well.

127. JCH [PA] spews:

Dear Terrorist Moooooooooooooslims and illegal aliens, NO!! YOU MAY NOT VOTE!!!!! Border Patrol with big attack dogs and the MinuteMen will be at EVERY poll!!! In addition, Democrat blacks in Milwaukee who destroy Republican vans tonight will be arrested and will lose their “guvment” checks!!!!

128. Truth2006 spews:

And for the record Retard Rabbit, in both WWI and WWII the country was drug into war by Democrats who never served in the military.

by Goldy, 11/03/2006, 5:54 PM

I think that pretty much says it all.

197 Responses to “Open thread”

2. The Socialist spews:

Dame tight ass Ted was all over the TV news tonight.

I herd his favort but buddys were going to Colorado to snuggle up with Ted in his hour of need. Bush and Channy are headed to colorado. rofl

yeah you guys just snuggle in there with old teddy

3. For the Soulless spews:

There should be no inheritance tax so that wealth can be concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

That’s patriotism.

4. For the Soulless spews:

Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty

5. For the Clueless spews:

Same old tired DOOFUS bullcrap…

Why couldn’t Dino get more votes? Win by 1000? Because people caught on to his phony moderate act.

He’s the BIAW’s man. Dino’s a whiner. He doesn’t have a prayer in 2008.

6. Heathen Sinner spews:

What War?

7. For the Clueless spews:

Poor DOOFUS – the train’s coming down the track and the idiot can’t move his sorry butt off the rails!

Maybe the Reverend Ted Haggard can “minister” to the poor man.

8. JDB spews:

Comrade Francine:

Funny how they were not all for one candidate. They broke the same as King County as a whole. Just as you would expect.

Perhaps you should know something ’bout what you are saying next time. Go read Judge Bridge’s opinion. Here’s the link:

http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0523/050608_news_electiondecision.php

And here is a good time line of events:

http://www.nwprogressive.org/portal/Special/ElectionChallenge.html

I know facts are not a big thing to Republicans, but you might find knowing the truth to be more interesting than repeating old, discredited GOP talking points.

9. JDB spews:

And pay your bets! Loser!

10. JDB spews:

Sympathy For Mrs. Haggard’s Ass: A Haiku:

Gayle always wondered
Why Ted said, “Jesus enters
Us through our back doors.”

http://www.horsesass.org/my-comments-popup.php?p=2179&c=1

11. The Socialist spews:

144 HALLALUYA

12. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

re 58: Well. We won and you lost. Do you get it now? I sure hope you do because if your side pulls another Diebold stunt there’s gonna be blood in the streets.

Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 8:43 pm

Better get ready. This Tuesday you will be blaming it on diebold. Better be careful what you wish for, republicans carry guns.

13. For the Soulless spews:

re 123: If giving the rich tax breaks means we actually collect more taxes, then not taxing them at all would mean that nobody would have to pay taxes.

14. The Socialist spews:

Go a head a vote twice buttnuts and you will end up in jail like man coulter.

15. For the Soulless spews:

If you pay people less and less to produce more and more goods that no one can afford, it spreads democracy to third world countries.

16. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

Go a head a vote twice buttnuts and you will end up in jail like man coulter.

Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 11:00 pm

No I won’t, I found a Kerry/Edwards button. heehhee

17. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

More thoughts for you Roger Rabbit:

Democrats: ‘No comment’
on terrorists’ endorsement
DNC, Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy decline
to discuss jihadists’ vote of confidence

——————————————————————————–
Posted: November 3, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

National leaders in the Democratic Party, including Howard Dean’s Democratic National Committee, potential House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, possible presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and longtime party stalwart Ted Kennedy don’t want to talk with WorldNetDaily about an endorsement their party has received.

The endorsement came via a WND article by Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, who interviewed leaders of several prominent Mideast terrorist organizations, including Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad.

“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

But WND was unable to get a single comment from dozens of telephone calls made over two days and messages left with various leaders’ offices and press secretaries.

“I’ll see what we can do,” was the best response WND obtained when asking for a comment on the endorsement, and that came from Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Hammill in Pelosi’s office. It came on the third call to that office.

The Democratic National Committee was approached at least six times, and multiple messages were deposited on a voice mail system handled by the courteous Rosemary, who said, “We’re extremely busy,” but there was no response, even after one spokesman in Sen. Barack Obama’s officer referred WND to the DNC because such a question would be in “Chairman Dean’s” territory.

The Democratic Leadership Council’s response to multiple phone calls was similar, a promise to call back later.

At least three messages left with Sen. Clinton’s office went unreturned after a receptionist forwarded the calls to an answering machine, which informed WND that, “No one is available to take your call at this time.”

Calls to Sen. Kennedy’s office actually reached a live person, who listened to the request and promised, “If we’re able to we’ll shoot you something. We can’t promise.”

Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar’s office generated a merry-go-round of telephone numbers. A call to his Washington office generated a referral to a Denver office, which generated a referral to a press office, which generated a referral to a cell phone. When a spokesman answered that number, the caller was referred back to the press office, which had an answering machine attached to the line. Leave a message.

A call to Sen. Harry Reid also allowed the caller to leave a message.

On the Republican side, Sen. Tom Tancredo, of Colorado, said those Mideast leaders are right – in one way.

He told WND that the assessment by terrorists who suggested U.S. voters choose the Democrats on Tuesday because they believe an expected removal of U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory is hard to dispute.

“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

The president’s recent statements also have given those factions reason to hope for better results under a Democrat Party leadership than the existing decision-makers.

“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said during a campaign stop this week. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction.

“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

Of course Goldie is a no show on this. This blows apart any further consideration who supports cut and run and who is supportive of cut and run!

18. For the Soulless spews:

If the rich did not contribute to charities,charities would collect more money.

19. JDB spews:

Anonymous, like most Republicans, cares more about some rich guy than the soldiers that the GOP have sent to die in a foolish war of choice.

Typical Republican, cannot talk about the real issues.

20. JDB spews:

Nobody mention to Loser Yellowback the constant string of wild fires in California this year because of the very hot drought they are having. We wouldn’t want him to know that it is a system, not just one event, that has been thrown out of skew by global warming.

Sort of like thinking that you accomplish something against Al Qaeda by attacking Iraq.

Sheesh Yellowback, are you just currious what it would be like to be a total idiot, or does it come naturally?

21. Facts Support My Positions spews:

Maybe Ted Haggard could get some moral support from Jim West…..

22. Don Joe spews:

Sorry, Socialist, but it might just be a bit beyond you as well. We’re talking about rational numbers.

No offense intended. I just couldn’t resist.

23. JDB spews:

Roger:

I have a feeling that Francine is just JCH’s working name. Note the same lack of facts, the same inability to do anything but repeat lies and talking points.

So, Comrade Francine, we have given you tons of facts. Got a single one that supports anything you said?

No. Thought not. I love how wingnuts always claim that the Dems are out to stop the military from voting, but have no proof, and yet are perfectly happy to stop everyone else from voting.

Why do you hate America so Comrade Francine?

24. For the Clueless spews:

I have been reading with interest everything I can about I-933. A couple of things seem to be at the core of the issue.

First, even the opponents acknowledge in the voters’ pamphlet that the initiative would affect only those regulations passed since January 1996. This means that the state’s Growth Management Act would remain intact. The GMA is a set of statewide regulations designed to regulate urban growth and protect rural areas. It is a very thorough set of restrictions and has generally been working very well. To say I-933 would do away with land-use regulations is simply untrue.

Second, I-933 targets legislation like the CAO, which is an extremely restrictive set of regulations that applies only to rural, unincorporated lands and can absolutely decimate the value of rural homeowners’ properties. Ironically, those who are hurt most by the CAO are those who have best protected the natural vegetation and habitat. A wooded, rural property with a stream recently sold for $49,000 instead of the $225,000 it would have brought were it not encumbered by the CAO. This is absolutely unfair! The end does not justify the means.

If we want environmental protections (and I hope we do), then we all have to be willing to pay our fair share. A vote for I-933 is a vote for fair funding of environmental preservation.

26. Roger Rabbit spews:

Republicans are scumsuckers.

27. The Socialist spews:

29#

lol

28. Facts Support My Positions spews:

The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.

Commentby For the Clueless— 11/3/06@ 10:17 pm

—————–

Truly clueless.

And better yet let’s let all of America’s wealth trickle up to a few rich families that have used their fortunes to leverage their influence at the expense of millions of Americans. Then we can have a society like Fuedal England! A few dozen lords calling the shots, running our country, and the rest of us living in squalor.

Did I hear anyone exclaim “let them eat cake” from their ivory tower?

Yee Haw!!!

The rich have every advantage, and at death they can pay society back for the advantages their wealth afforded them. Sounds fair to me? Bill Gates makes more off interest in a day than I will make in my lifetime. Of course we should pay the same in taxes right? Wingnuts. Nothing against Mr. Gates.

Why should multi millionares help pay for the education of “regular” Americans children? There are enought McDonalds hiring to go around…..

If you don’t believe me, try raising 3 kids on $15 an hour with no benefits…. Wait till one of them gets sick….. Wait till your job gets outsourced and you have to train your $2 an hour replacement or lose your severance pay….

Reaganomics = Death to Democracy

Bushonomics = Death to all living brain cells

29. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

Funny how they were not all for one candidate. They broke the same as King County as a whole. Just as you would expect.

So out of 40 counties most of which are republican the biggest liberal county just happen to find ballots on the second recount. Wow, interesting huh. hehehehe More frosting .. hhehehehe

30. Roger Rabbit spews:

GOP READIES CHALLENGE TO TENN. VOTE

Republicans, anticipating a loss in Tennessee, aren’t waiting for election day to claim voting fraud.

“(T)he GOP is planning to declare fraud after next Tuesday’s election. As initially linked by DRUDGE (which should tell you almost all you need to know) earlier today, the GOP is laying the groundwork:

“Several electronic voting cards, used to cast ballots, are missing from a polling place in Memphis, according to the Tennessee Republican Party.

“In a letter to the Shelby County Election Commission, state GOP chairman Bob Davis Jr. charges the ‘lack of oversight and control’ over the so-called Smartcards ‘has created a situation which could allow for voter fraud.’

“The situation is not ‘lack of oversight and control’ of these smart cards. It’s lack of oversight and control of our electoral system such that we’ve come to a place where there are so many access points to the system, it’s virtually impossible, with this equipment, to have any kind of security that could ensure a legitimate vote.

“You’ll also note this unsubstantiated allegation from the AP coverage of the claims in TN:

“Davis sent his letter one day after Gibbons said he asked the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation to look into allegations two people each cast two ballots during early voting in Shelby County.

“Looks like the GOP is in good shape in Tennesse at this point. If they lose, they can make whatever claims they like: Fraud by Electronic Voting, or Voter Fraud by those nasty double-voting Dems. … ”

BLOGGED BY Brad ON 11/3/2006 5:58PM PT

http://www.bradblog.com/

31. JDB spews:

amerikkkafirst:

How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage; homosexual prostitute dope dealers are a major part of the Dem base. The more depraved the behavior the more libs think it’s great.

Uhhh…, hate to tell you this, but Haggard is one of your guys. Talks with the president every week, don’t you know.

And we probably don’t want to talk about GWB’s coke habit either. Or Limbaugh’s drug problems…, or getting picked up with Viagra after a sex vacation to the Caribean. Or Mark Foley.

And how can you be against people who go around “buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage.” Without that, there would be no talk radio for wingnuts.

32. JDB spews:

Loser Yellowback:

Apparently voting for a strong economy, low unemployment, national security, and fixing global warming is a bad thing. Seems to me she is making Reichert’s case for him.

Reichert wasn’t a congresman when Clinton was President. Get off the meth.

33. americafirst spews:

How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage; homosexual prostitute dope dealers are a major part of the Dem base. The more depraved the behavior the more libs think it’s great.

34. For the Clueless spews:

LONDON: George Bush is considered nearly as dangerous as America’s bete noire, Osama bin Laden, by ordinary people on the streets of America’s closest political and military ally, Britain.

Meanwhile, three other US neighbours and allies confirmed they regarded the planet’s only hyperpower a threat to world peace, in a damaging indictment of the US president’s track record post-9/11.

The international survey of public opinion, carried out in the UK, Canada, Mexico and Israel, showed high levels of distrust of President Bush in particular and America in general, five years after the so-called ‘war on terror’ began.

The poll, conducted by Britain’s Guardian newspaper, Canada’s La Presse and Toronto Star, Mexico’s Reforma and Israel’s Haaretz, comes four days before Americans vote in their mid-term Congressional elections

35. Roger Rabbit spews:

117

How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:45 pm

Want to bet?*

* (Given the lousy track record of trolls in paying off lost bets, all bets made by trolls must be backed by cash in escrow.)

“AFRICAN-AMERICAN SOLDIERS SCRUBBED BY SECRET GOP HIT LIST

“by Greg Palast
“As reported for Democracy Now!

“The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.

“A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.

“Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.

“One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.

“Here’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, ‘Do not forward’, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as ‘undeliverable.’

“The lists of soldiers of ‘undeliverable’ letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.

“One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. Jacksonville is third largest naval installation in the US, best known as home of the Blue Angels fighting squandron.

[See this scrub sheet at http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=160156893&context=set-72157594155273706&size=o ]

“Our team contacted the homes of several on the caging list, such as Randall Prausa, a serviceman, whose wife said he had been ordered overseas.

“A soldier returning home in time to vote in November 2004 could also be challenged on the basis of the returned envelope. …

“The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican’s national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to GOP Florida campaign chairman Brett Doster and other party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, ‘Caging.xls.’ Each of these contained several hundred to a few thousand voters and their addresses.

“A check of the demographics of the addresses on the ‘caging lists,’ as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.

“Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists … said: ‘The only thing I can think of – African American voters listed like this – these might be individuals that will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day.’

“These GOP caging lists were obtained by the same BBC team that first exposed the wrongful purge of African-American ‘felon’ voters in 2000 by … Katherine Harris. Eliminating the voting rights of those voters — 94,000 were targeted — likely caused Al Gore’s defeat in that race.

“The Republican National Committee in Washington refused our several requests to respond to the BBC discovery. However, in Tallahassee, the Florida Bush campaign’s spokespeople offered several explanations for the list.

“Joseph Agostini, speaking for the GOP, suggested the lists were of potential donors to the Bush campaign. Oddly, the supposed donor list included residents of the Sulzbacher Center a shelter for homeless families.

“Another spokesperson for the Bush campaign, Mindy Tucker Fletcher, ultimately changed the official response, acknowledging that these were voters, ‘we mailed to, where the letter came back – bad addresses.’

“The party has refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having ‘bad addresses’ subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad. …

“The GOP mailed the letters first class, at a total cost likely exceeding millions of dollars, so that the addresses would be returned to ‘cage’ workers.

“’This is not a challenge list,’ insisted the Republican spokesmistress. However, she modified that assertion by adding, ‘That’s not what it’s set up to be.’

“Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlaws mass challenges of voters where race is a factor in choosing the targeted group.

“While the party insisted the lists were not created for the purpose to challenge Black voters, the GOP ultimately offered no other explanation for the mailings. However, Tucker Fletcher asserted Republicans could still employ the list to deny ballots to those they considered suspect voters. When asked if Republicans would use the list to block voters, Tucker Fletcher replied, ‘Where it’s stated in the law, yeah.’

“It is not possible at this time to determine how many on the potential blacklist were ultimately challenged and lost their vote. Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a challenge.

“For the full story of caging lists and voter purges of 2004, plus the documents, read Greg Palast’s New York Times bestseller, ARMED MADHOUSE: Who’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?”

http://tinyurl.com/jv9nf

36. Roger Rabbit spews:

Republicans have betrayed America, our soldiers, and the voters.

37. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Well now even the military papers are saying Rummy must go. I suppose they are all part of the liberal media?

Hey righties – it must suck to be so wrong all the time. HE HE. Let’s see where you cum drunk inbred right wingers are Wed. Weeping in your oatmeal no doubt!

38. Heathen Sinner spews:

Kuddos to Anonymous #207 – for outlining the plight of one individual vs the masses. Spoken like a true lieing, cheating and stealing Republican.

39. harry poon spews:

re 58: Well. We won and you lost. Do you get it now? I sure hope you do because if your side pulls another Diebold stunt there’s gonna be blood in the streets.

40. Heathen Sinner spews:

Yeah and now that I got my new job at Walmart, I might be able to afford a double wider like yours Mark – things are really looking up. But I’m not worried because I’ll find a way to cheat or steal to make ends meet if need be. Thanks for the Job.

41. busdrivermike spews:

Breaking news:

Mike Mcgavick declares himself a ” Mcgavick Republican”.

Dave Reichart states that he will get that bus driver fired, even if it takes 20 years and a DNA test.

Republicans declare November national “natural colon exam month”

42. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Isn’t the employment fraction a little over 96 out of a hunnerd?

43. harry poon spews:

I’m calling for Darcy Burner tomorrow — mostly because I really feel like paying more taxes.

It’s fun and the kids love it. Won’t have time for crystal meth and a gay prostitute, though.

44. The Socialist spews:

As we reported back in February, Ann Coulter, 45, committed voter fraud in a town council election earlier this year. Now, it’s going to prosecutors — Florida Justice: swift and brutal.

The offense (knowingly voting in the wrong district) is punishable by up to five years in prison! And now that… you know, christ, not even we are interested in this woman anymore. Sorry.

Holly Crap were do you lock up old broken down scanky ass transexuiles

45. JDB spews:

Francine:

If you are talking about the ’04 election, you have been mis-informed. A judge found that the only illegal votes were for Dino Rossi, the Republican. But fortunately the system worked, so they were not able to “steal” the election as you say. So you shouldn’t accuse them of that like you do.

46. harry poon spews:

re 28: It’s going great! You know why? Because Bush’s spiritual advisor is a crack smoking whoremonger.

I guess the great news about everything else kind of gets lost when people ponder that.

47. The Socialist spews:

I think people are finnaly sick of the republicans.

It like a old county remidy for keeping a dog from killing the chickens any more. You tie a dead chicken around there neck and leave it there till it rottes off.

The dog will never kill another chicken agien.

48. For the Soulless spews:

If you subsidize corporate farms in the US and then sell the produce in Mexico cheaper than the indigineous farmers can produce it, you kill off the indigineous Mexican farms. Then you jack up the price of the American produce that is subsidized by the American taxpayer and you squeeze the poor people of Mexico even harder tan before.

That’s Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” at work.
Some would call that racketeering on a grand scale.

Republican’s call it : “Free Enterprise.”

49. Heathen Sinner spews:

You know the other day I said on the news that I didn’t know a Mike Jones, but you know now that I think of it he’s the guy who gave me my massage – you see, I pulled a muscle jogging so I needed a massage (my fat whore wife wouldn’t do it)and Rush Limbaugh told me how crystal meth would help out the pulled muscle too, but when I found out its what the black people take, I prayed to Jesus and decided the pain would be better. Amen. And Hail Hitler!

50. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

Wow, I go to a funeral for a friend’s father and you all get whipped up in a lather. Amazing what islamofascists for moonbats does for ya.

Now let’s clear the air. No one, and I mean no one, discussed the lack of monnbat leadership response to the terrorists wanting them to win. What is amazing is these moonbatnuts here got their testicles in a knot because the terrorists tell the truth!

THE TERRORIST SAY TEY WILL NOT STOP THEIR TERROR! In fact they say cut and run strengthens their hand. Of course moonbats are in shock. But the moonbat Pelosi said they will stop. She knows. She understands them. NOT! That’s the truth! The verdict is out!

51. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

7) Terrible growth in real wages

Wow, that is not good. Of course this is countered by terrible growth in real taxes.

52. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

This and the NYT admitting Saddam was within a year of a nuclear weapon, really puts moonbat speak in jeopardy!

53. Heathen Sinner spews:

“I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat when I’m not being a family man or a hypocrit.” – Ted Haggard. I bet all my fellow Republicans are really proud of me. HAIL HITLER!

54. Roger Rabbit spews:

4 MORE DAYS

INVESTIGATIONS! SUBPOENAS! FROG MARCHES! TRIALS! PINK JUMPSUITS!

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55. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

Silly Francine, those were legal votes. As the Judge said. Remember, Rossi would not appeal that decision. And that is why you have recounts, to find votes that should have been counted but were not.

Funny how all those votes went to one candidate…. wait no it isnt. hehehehe Keep on spreading frosting on that turd of an election. You guys up there are awesome though. You put Chicago to shame. heheehe

56. Facts Support My Positions spews:

I have Jeff Gannon’s number Ted. Got any crank?

57. me spews:

Thought I’d post the latest vote counts before the weekend. 158260 ballots are in in King County.

County___ BallotsCast___ LastMatchback
Adams__ 1974 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Benton__ 21171 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Chelan__ 5981 ballots___ 10/27/2006 4:26:47 PM
Clallam__ 16408 ballots___ 11/3/2006 3:17:49 PM
Clark__ 59383 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:06:53 PM
Columbia__ 1240 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:56:15 AM
Cowlitz__ 11770 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:45:11 AM
Douglas__ 6307 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Ferry__ 1217 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Franklin__ 5495 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Grant__ 9872 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Grays Harbor__ 10769 ballots___ 11/2/2006 12:57:11 PM
Island__ 10750 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Jefferson__ 9229 ballots___ 11/2/2006 2:26:27 PM
King__ 158260 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Kitsap__ 43861 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Kittitas__ 5237 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Klickitat__ 388 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
lewis__ 13246 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Lincoln__ 2562 ballots___ 11/3/2006 10:50:59 AM
Mason__ 10964 ballots___ 11/2/2006 10:12:48 PM
Okanogan__ 6901 ballots___ 11/2/2006 5:08:57 PM
Pacific__ 2740 ballots___ 11/2/2006 7:16:40 PM
Pierce__ 75660 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:06:36 PM
San Juan__ 3606 ballots___ 11/2/2006 12:00:11 PM
Skagit__ 22634 ballots___ 11/3/2006 3:58:52 PM
Snohomish__ 79346 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:47:51 PM
Spokane__ 89504 ballots___ 11/3/2006 4:47:27 PM
Stevens__ 4652 ballots___ 10/31/2006 2:59:15 PM
Thurston__ 37385 ballots___ 11/3/2006 11:45:11 AM
Wahkiakum__ 1049 ballots___ 11/2/2006 8:10:14 PM
Walla Walla__ 7130 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:16:28 PM
Whatcom__ 35193 ballots___ 11/3/2006 5:13:17 PM
Whitman__ 6149 ballots___ 11/2/2006 6:49:10 PM
Yakima__ 28083 ballots___ 11/2/2006 8:15:51 PM

58. JDB spews:

Here is what Loser Yellowback supports:

1) Killing American Soldiers

2) Incompetently run wars

3) Manipulating Intelligence

4) Spying on Americans

5) Getting rid of Habeas Corpus

6) Never firing those who mess up their job, better to give them the medal of freedom

7) Terrible growth in real wages

8) Gigantic debts and deficits

9) Never investigating wrong doing.

10) Molesting teenage boys

11) Doing meth before getting it on with a male prostitute

Loser, why do you hate America so?

59. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

Republicans have betrayed America, our soldiers, and the voters.

Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/3/06@ 10:32 pm

How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting.

60. Roger Rabbit spews:

This is worth repeating:

Editorial
The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006

As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

(Quoted under Fair Use)

61. JDB spews:

Comrade Francine:

No, really, read the links I gave you. Many other counties found votes too. Strangely enought, the most populous county found the most votes. But per capita, there were many Rossi Counties that found more.

Come on. Are you completely ignorant. Even the most foolish of U(sp)poster gave up on these old arguements a long time ago.

62. Facts Support My Positions spews:

Republicans have to stop committing treason long enough to be hypocrites.

63. Facts Support My Positions spews:

What is really funny is how Republicans worship tax dollars (cuts) (deferrments actually) more than anything, but can’t stand the thought of one single auditor in Iraq……

The Republican’s only true god is THEIR OWN GREED!

64. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

5) Getting rid of Habeas Corpus

Ooooh the horror. geeesh. hehehehe

65. Roger Rabbit spews:

Funny how all those votes went to one candidate…. wait no it isnt. hehehehe Keep on spreading frosting on that turd of an election.” Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 8:32 pm

Funny how you’re lying through your nose! Let’s fact-check this turd of a post:

Net Change of Votes

1st recount: Gregoire +1289, Rossi +1070, Bennett +69
2nd recount: Gregoire +919, Rossi +784, Bennett +49

Funny how ALL 3 candidates GAINED votes! Why do you suppose? Because the first two counts were done by machines, and machine counts aren’t 100% accurate. If there’s a smudge or speck of dirt on a ballot, the machine can’t read the ballot. Should a voter’s ballot be thrown out because of that? I DON’T FUCKING THINK SO!

The 2nd recount was by hand. Every ballot in the state was counted by a Republican and a Democrat — in King County, at least 3 times and by up to 7 different counting teams. The hand recount is not off by even 1 vote.

“Francine” is blowing smoke through his/her/its ass.

66. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

As we reported back in February, Ann Coulter, 45, committed voter fraud in a town council election earlier this year. Now, it’s going to prosecutors — Florida Justice: swift and brutal.

The offense (knowingly voting in the wrong district) is punishable by up to five years in prison! And now that… you know, christ, not even we are interested in this woman anymore. Sorry.

Holly Crap were do you lock up old broken down scanky ass transexuiles

Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 7:34 pm

Yeah what was that story again, she was not a citizen….no she voted twice. No that’s not it that,is what democrats do. hehehe

67. Roger Rabbit spews:

Two years later and the gooper crybabies are still whining about losing an election. Sore loooooosers! Sheesh. Grow up.

… and Mark1 calls ME “juvenile and immature”?

(sarcastic bunny laughter)

68. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

Comrade Francine:

No, really, read the links I gave you. Many other counties found votes too. Strangely enought, the most populous county found the most votes. But per capita, there were many Rossi Counties that found more.

Come on. Are you completely ignorant. Even the most foolish of U(sp)poster gave up on these old arguements a long time ago.

Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 9:34 pm

Yeah, most other counties found maybe one or two. How did KC do in reconciling votes cast to registered voters? hehehehe

69. Roger Rabbit spews:

I guess Stefan just isn’t popular huh.

70. Roger Rabbit spews:

By Kevin Tillman

Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document:

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.
Much has happened since we handed over our voice:
Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.
Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.
Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.
Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.
Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.
Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.
Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.
Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
Somehow torture is tolerated.
Somehow lying is tolerated.
Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.
Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.
Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.
Somehow this is tolerated.
Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.
Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,
Kevin Tillman

71. Don Joe spews:

Welcher,

“Isn’t the employment fraction a little over 96 out of a hunnerd?”

As a matter of fact yes. And, as a matter of fact, the employment fraction, as a fraction, used to be a tad smaller than that. The question is, which number changed, the numerator or the denominator?

Keep pressing that campaign strategy of trying to convince people that they’re really better off than they think they are. We’ll find out how well it’s been working on Tuesday.

Oh, and pay your debt to Goldy, asshole.

72. RightEqualsStupid spews:

LOL! Pope-A-Dope you really are impressed with yourself aren’t you. Your shit little race doesn’t warrant the attention of an endorsement. Besides they sure weren’t gonna endorse you so be thankful.

I predict this will be number 15 on your list of failed attempts. But hey, you got close once. That can be your fish that got away story.

73. Richard Pope spews:

Seattle Post-Intelligencer Editorials for this Sunday:

General election endorsements. Notice that they are not making any endorsement in the Northeast District Court race:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/291048_endwraped.html

My opponent sent out a mailer to promote his candidacy and knock mine. His mailer prominently featured excerpts from the 09/24/2006 Seattle P-I editorial, where they commented on my first place finish in the primary. Given all that, it is very interesting that they have decided that his candidacy isn’t worthy of endorsement either.

In other views, the Seattle P-I comments on the lawsuit over special education funding, and the anemic approach to education funding in this state in general:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/291050_specsuited.asp

74. For the Clueless spews:

Hey DOOFUS,

Some “moonbat” publications and websites are calling for Rummy to resign. You know that guy who is the architect of the “winning strategy” in Iraq.

The “moonbat” publications are the Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Times and Air Force Times.

75. For the Soulless spews:

Bush’s personal pastor is a cocksucking, buttfucking crack smoking whoremonger.

PRAISE JESUS FOR THIS GIFT HE HAS GIVEN US JUST DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION!

76. The Socialist spews:

yeh but if you show up with a kerry edwards button some right wing goon will think you are a demercrat beat you up to keep you from voting butnutz

77. The Socialist spews:

Are you a Socialist Soulless? If not you should be. I think you would like todays Socialist Party http://sp-usa.org/

I am tired of the demercrats taking me for granted.

78. The Socialist spews:

I would like to see the end of privit property

79. For the Soulless spews:

Ted Haggard smokes crack.

80. For the Clueless spews:

You work hard, pay your taxes, invest in your business and die happy, knowing you have created a legacy that can be carried on and grown by your heirs.

Not so fast.

If you have had the good fortune to be successful in building up a business, contributing to the economy, paying personal and business taxes and employing dozens of workers, your heirs may inherit something that could jeopardize everything you built up: a huge bite called the estate tax, or death tax.

A measure to repeal the state death tax is on this year’s ballot. I-920 is a reasonable approach and should be supported. It’s only fair.

Money raised through the death tax goes to the Education Legacy Trust Account created last year by the Legislature to pay for education needs. Despite the fact that our state constitution mandates that a fundamental duty of the state is to provide adequate funding for education, we still find our schools wanting.

So instead of making the hard decisions, by focusing on the priorities of government and funding them first — and putting education at the top of the list — our legislators look for creative ways to pick the pockets of taxpayers.

Instituting a death tax was a smart move, pitting the rich against school kids, the perfect political cover.

The truth is, while the death tax will only fall on a few — those estates worth more than $2 million — the result is one more negative factor in our state’s business climate.

The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.

81. For the Soulless spews:

But what I don’t like about him is his hypocrisy. I think the worst punishment for a man like that would be to TAX HIS ASS OFF!

83. For the Clueless spews:

Stop the presses. Bill O’Reilly is lashing out at the New York Times.

But this time the King of Cable News is not going after the Newspaper of Record for slanted news coverage on Iraq, Republican scandals or culture wars. This time O’Reilly’s angst is reserved for the Times’ book review staff.

The man who built Fox News primetime into a ratings juggernaut is a hard guy to ignore. O’Reilly is everywhere.

84. Roger Rabbit spews:

Mike?! McGavick runs attack ads against Sen. Cantwell saying he wants to end partisanship in Washington D.C.

Mike?! McGavick is a Republican (although he doesn’t want you to know that).

The Republicans in Washington D.C. have run the most nakedly partisan administration and congress of the last 100 years.

Mike?! McGavick is the problem, not the solution.

85. Roger Rabbit spews:

President Pelosi. Get used to saying it!

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86. Facts Support My Positions spews:

I don’t know why Darcy is only campaigning on the time for change theme.

I think America could stand a little more Republican control. You know, no accountability, no honesty, no integrety, no control, no taking responsibility, no competence, and no end to the lies, corruption, and criminal behavior.

Anyone supporting Reichert has more Denial than the Sahara has sand. The Pacific has water.

87. Roger Rabbit spews:

LOS ALAMOS DATA COMPROMISE ‘DEVASTATING’
Documents Found In Drug Raid Reveal How To Unlock Nuclear Weapons

In a recent drug raid, police found documents and computer disks from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in a trailer belonging to a lab employee.

CBS reports that a “federal official recently briefed on the issue says ‘It’s devastating’” because the material includes instructions and codes to unlock nuclear weapons.

CBS says, “If a nuclear weapon were stolen, the information ‘would tell the terrorists everything they need to do to get a weapon to fire.’”

This article is quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/ylclh8

Roger Rabbit Comment: Don’t sweat the small stuff, Richard! The Bush administration is doing such a crappy job of safeguarding us from potential terrorists that you probably won’t live long to lose your judicial election.

88. Roger Rabbit spews:

88

O’Liely’s ratings are in the toilet.

89. For the Soulless spews:

Ted Haggard is gay.

90. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

How have republicans betrayed the soldiers? They are not the party trying to keep them from voting. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:45 pm

Want to bet?*

Sure, the disenfranchisement of the military voter is explained in the following article:

From Navy Seals.com
http://www.navyseals.com/community/articles/article.cfm?id=6536

By Chad Miles

A recent report issued by the National Defense Committee, a nonprofit organization that supports the U.S. military and encourages veterans to run for elective office, recently found that 25 percent of ballots cast by military personnel in the 2004 presidential election went uncounted. Incredibly, that rate of disenfranchisement could be even higher due to the fact that the study relied on voluntary disclosure of information from local election officials.

Unfortunately, the issue of soldiers being disenfranchised during an election is nothing new. We all remember the 2000 Florida recount fiasco and the events surrounding it. During that election, the rate of uncounted ballots cast by members of the armed forces was even higher at a staggering 29 percent nationwide.

In Florida, which turned out to be the pivotal state in determining the winner of the 2000 election, around 1,400 military absentee votes were left uncounted, largely because of the role of lawyers working for the Democratic Party at local canvassing boards who followed a directive from the party to challenge all military ballots on the premise that they likely were votes for Republican nominee George W. Bush.

Although many lawmakers vowed that the level of disenfranchisement seen in the aftermath of that election would never happen again, it looks like it did.

According to the committee’s study, “Military and Overseas Absentee Voting in the 2004 Election,” the largest problem in managing military absentee ballots is not hostile attorneys, but rather what military historians call “the tyranny of distance” – the unavoidable difficulties inherent in getting ballots to our deployed military people serving overseas.

During the election in 2000, the study found that, 30 percent of military personnel did not receive their ballot in time to cast a vote. When you combine that figure with the number of votes that were tossed out for various reasons – including arriving to the absentee voters via snail mail past voting deadlines – you can see that the scope of the problem is enormous.

The challenge of getting ballots to soldiers was even worse during the 2004 election due to the post-9/11 deployments of military units to Iraq, Afghanistan and dozens of other countries in support of the Global War on Terror, the committee found. Units frequently on the move and mail delays caused by local threats such as the danger of roadside bombs made the task of getting ballots to the troops even more daunting.

However, military absentee voters once again in 2004 found themselves the target of partisan political maneuvering as had happened in Florida four years earlier.

Recognizing the fact that more time would be needed to count all of the military ballots arriving from overseas, the Pennsylvania legislature in 2004 requested that Gov. Edward G. Rendell authorize a two-week extension for the acceptance of military ballots to compensate for the issues surrounding the wartime situation in which our soldiers are now engaged.

However, in Pennsylvania in 2004, as in Florida in 2000, political operatives were motivated by their longstanding knowledge that a strong majority of military voters generally supports Republican candidates.

Rendell, a Democrat, initially refused the request to assist military absentee voters. But it later was discovered that he had launched an aggressive “get out the vote” information campaign within the state’s prison population, informing inmates of voting rights and providing them with absentee ballots for the election. Other studies have shown that a majority of the prison voting population supports Democratic candidates. The adverse publicity prompted Rendell to approve the extension for military overseas voters.

In Washington state, the U.S. Justice Department threatened to sue less than a month before the 2004 election because election officials had yet to even mail out absentee ballots to military personnel overseas. What may have been bureaucratic incompetence may well have altered the outcome of that state’s gubernatorial election.

The Washington state governor’s race between Republican nominee Dino Rossi and Democratic nominee Christine Gregoire turned out to be even tighter than the Florida presidential vote count in 2000. The Republican candidate won the first two re-counts but ultimately lost the third by 128 votes. With a total of 31,910 overseas ballots mailed out for that election, it’s easy to see that even a few lost, late or missing military votes made a huge impact in the election, ultimately deciding the race.

When it was time for Congress to ratify the 2004 election results and electoral vote count for the offices of President and Vice President during a joint session last December, two Democratic legislators challenged the results on the basis of voting irregularities and disenfranchisement. Was someone finally going to raise the issue of one-fourth of our deployed military men and women not having a voice in the democratic process? No.

The challenge concerned votes cast in the state of Ohio, which turned out to be the pivotal state in 2004 with enough electoral votes to swing the election and the Presidency to John Kerry. The challenge centered on disqualification of a newly created provisional ballot, not the military vote, and was nothing more than a symbolic protest by the party that had lost the presidential election.

It appears that once again the rights of military overseas voters are no longer an issue within the political establishment.

We should not have to still be struggling with this issue. Before the 2004 election, the Department of Defense launched an online voting system called the Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment (SERVE), designed to give military personnel deployed around the world the ability to vote instantly online. This would have obviously corrected the problems surrounding the reliance of postal mail for balloting, and put an end to the partisan shenanigans we saw in Florida with Democratic Party lawyers targeting military voters for ballot rejection.

Alas, DoD officials opted to shut down the SERVE program before the election due to security concerns dealing with the sensitive nature of the data and the possibility of illegitimate votes being tabulated. Since DoD manages to send thousands of classified messages daily around the globe, many of them stamped “Top Secret,” it is hard to imagine that these security and privacy concerns cannot be resolved.

It is ridiculous to have our troops filling out paper ballots and placing them in the mail in a day and age when publicly available technology allows you to take a picture and send it to someone on the other side of the world with a small cellphone. The disenfranchisement on the scale that we have seen in recent years is unacceptable, but it is definitely correctible.

If DoD officials take the time to develop a secure and dependable electronic voting system, some election results may be drastically different in the years to come – but unlike the number of contested elections we have seen since 2000, the results will more likely reflect the judgment of all of the voters – including those serving in harm’s way to protect our freedoms.

Contributing Editor Chad Miles is a U.S. Army veteran who served with the 82nd Airborne Division and the 5th Special Forces Group during the 1990s. He founded the website WhoServed.com, which tracks the military service of previous and current U.S. government leaders, and is currently pursuing a degree in political science from the University of Michigan – Dearborn. He can be reached at chad@whoserved.com. Send Feedback responses to dwfeedback@yahoo.com.

I get my facts straight from the military, not lying proganda from some lefty, moonbat site.

91. For the Clueless spews:

WOS – if your Preznit is so hot why are these guys still ALIVE giving interviews?

Could it be the wingnuts need these guys for their propaganda against Democrats?

You are such an idiot WOS!

92. Heathen Sinner spews:

I am still Republican – I still cheat, lie, and steal when I’m not crying about being a hypocrit and a family. I hate liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. Weep, weep, weep….I have to pay taxes – why cant’t everything in life be free like the poor black folks get it…boooh hoooo hoooo. HAIL HITLER!

93. The Socialist spews:

And stop being a bunch of right-wing closeted homosexual homophobia. Get out of that closet and because a lefty or at lest a log cabin republican you will feel a lot better about your self and you will probably get laid a lot more .

It is not the gay party we don’t like it is the hypocrisy part .

94. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Geez, it looks like Algore is full of shit… as usual:

Quoting from the gawd of global warming: “Two thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the history of humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will face a string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare ourselves and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. Ladies and gentlemen, the warnings about global warming have been extremely clear for a long time. We are facing a global climate crisis. It is deepening. We are entering a period of consequences.” http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm

Let’s see… how many major hurricanes have we had so far this season? Hmmm…. hmmmmmm…. shit… the answer is FUCKING ZERO !!!!!!!

Some “string of terrible catastrophes.” A string of ZERO !!!!!!!

And you fucking idiot kool aid drinkers were all in a lather about his stoopid fucking movie when it came out. Do you feel stoopid now?

Despite his track record of impressive achievements in network technology, he obviously doesn’t know jack shit about science.

95. Roger Rabbit spews:

84

Did you find out how far off KC was on the reconcillation between votes cast and registered voters? Just more evidence that KC stole the election. Commentby Francine Busby-Democrat Cali— 11/3/06@ 10:08 pm

It’s not evidence of anything and shows how ignorant you are about election procedures! There was NO LIST that could be used to reconcile “votes cast” and “registered voters.” That’s because registration lists are continuously updated and the list available after the election is not the same as the voters entitled to vote in the election. Fucking idiot.

96. JDB spews:

Silly Francine, those were legal votes. As the Judge said. Remember, Rossi would not appeal that decision. And that is why you have recounts, to find votes that should have been counted but were not.

Or are you in favor, like the GOP, of preventing people from voting if they don’t agree with you. Wow, how Soviet of you.

97. For the Clueless spews:

On Terrorism:

The Democratic Party believes in an ounce of prevention: homeland security, follow the money, foreign economic and security aid, limited military intervention.

The extreme right wingers believe in a ton of cure: endless wars, tens of thousands dead and maimed, more hate and ill will toward the United States.

The Democratic way decreases violence and death and encourages peace – the other way spirals hate and violence out of control.

Do the smarter thing. Vote Democratic

98. Roger Rabbit spews:

184

Terrorists give interviews to journalists? Last I heard they were cutting journalists’ heads. Whatever happened to Islamic head removal? Are terrorists all democrats now? You amuse me. Thanks.

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99. Roger Rabbit spews:

Wow! Goldy posted nothing and this thread already has over 100 comments! That’s more than the pathetic little competing blog gets even when Stefan posts something.

100. Don Joe spews:

Somebody gottta explain her ads to me…

It’s little surprise to the rest of us that you don’t understand Burner’s ads. After all, you still don’t grok the fact that fractions have both a numerator and a denomnator.

101. Heathen Sinner spews:

“I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not crying about how bad everyone else is or taking money from Mr. Abramhoff (I’d like to suck his cock too)”.- Rep. Bob Ney

102. Facts Support My Positions spews:

I but the wingnuts didn’t bother to watch HBO last night with the voting lines a half mile long in metropolitan areas of Ohio, and voting machines galore in rural Ohio. As long as Bush won (sic) that’s all that counts right wingnuts? A couple million uncounted Kerry votes boo hoo right? Stealing Americans right to vote is the worst crime I can think of. That and protecting pedophiles.

Fascist Traitors.

Americans are sick of Republican Scum.

Even Republicans are sick of Republican Scum.

I should know, I used to be one of them.

I think Vlad the Impaler has the proper treatment for the disease of being Republican.

I think impalement is too good for the average Republican. The crime of treason, which is what calling yourself a Republican these days amounts to should carry a penalty far worse than impalement.

103. The Socialist spews:

18#

lol

104. The Socialist spews:

38#

we don’t have any illegal immigrants here except Canadians that get lost on the way home after a few to many Mollsons at the bar.

and im not sure if Canadian no how to vote . so we have no worries up here on the northern tear you just don’t worry your little Californian republican head about it .

I mean you do have the terminator as your governor so I hardly think you have any thing to say about any other state sheesh.

105. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

Next for your review Roger Rabbit. This is the real world. Something you and your furballettes do not live in:

“ELECTION 2006
Lawmaker: Terrorists
right about Democrats
GOP congressman reacts to militants’
endorsement of ‘party of cut-and-run’

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Posted: November 3, 2006
12:41 p.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

Leaders of Mideast terrorist organizations such as the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad are right – in one way, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

Terrorists interviewed by WorldNetDaily suggested Americans should vote for Democrats Tuesday, because the party’s plan to remove U.S. troops from the Mideast would hand their factions victory.

Tancredo today told WND the assessment is hard to dispute.

“I guess the conclusion to which anyone could come … maybe they recognize that both the general nature of the Democratic Party and the people who are at its head are folks that would rather cut and run than stand their ground on an issue of this nature,” he said.

“They’re right. I also worry about a lot of things, the way the war has been prosecuted. But beyond Iraq, here’s what I believe. I believe that there are more Republicans than Democrats that understand we are in a clash of civilizations.

“In fact the idea that Western civilization has advantages over other civilizations, that is not a concept that most Democrats would buy into, and I think the radical Islamic groups recognize that,” he said.

Multiple messages left over the course of two days seeking comment from the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Leadership Council, the offices of Sens. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton and others were not returned to WND.

The Republican National Committee also did not return a message asking for comment.

The president’s recent statements also have given the terrorists reason to hope for better results should the Democrat Party leadership be in power rather than the existing decision-makers.

“The fighting in Iraq is tough, and I understand it’s tough, and you know it’s tough, and so does the enemy. They have no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children. They film the atrocities, they broadcast them for the world to see. They offer no hopeful vision. The only thing they know is death and destruction,” Bush said during a recent campaign stop.

“Our goal in Iraq is victory,” Bush said. “Victory in Iraq will come when that young democracy can sustain itself, and govern itself, and defend itself, and be a strong ally in the war against terrorists.

“But they hope these violent images will cause us to lose our nerve. They make a big mistake. They do not understand the true strength of the United States. We don’t run in the face of thugs and assassins, we’ll defend ourselves,” he said.

His comments were on the same subject being discussed by those terrorist leaders this week.

“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.

They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

Bush’s comments came on a campaign swing through southern states, where he was stumping for Republican candidates in a mid-term election that could leave either Republicans or Democrats in control of Congress, and terrorists a focal point of many debates.

“We will defeat them,” he promised. “We’ll defeat them because our commanders on the ground have all the flexibility necessary to make sure that we constantly stay ahead of the enemy. We’ll defeat them because we got a fantastic United States military,” he said.

“We will succeed in Iraq because the Iraqis want to live in a peaceful society. Twelve million – nearly 12 million defied car-bombers and assassins and terrorists and went to vote. … And I believe strongly that they’ll become a government of the people, and by the people, and for the people.

“As a matter of fact, I believe the only way we cannot succeed is if we leave before the job is done,” he said.

Bush said Democrats have talked a lot about different plans to deal with terrorism.

“They’ve come up with a lot of creative ways to describe leaving Iraq before the job is done. Sometimes they say, ‘immediate redeployment.’ Sometimes they say they wouldn’t spend another dime on our troops. Sometimes they say the idea that we’re going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong. However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: the terrorists win and America loses,” he said.

But in a statement on their website, the Democrats said, “We will protect Americans at home and lead the world by telling the truth to our troops, our citizens and our allies. We believe in a strong national defense that is both tough and smart, recognizing that homeland security begins with hometown security.”

“Democrats have a plan that is comprehensive – from repairing our military, to winning the war on terror, to protecting our homeland security, to ensuring success in Iraq and freeing America of its dependence on foreign oil – and it will finally prepare America for the security needs of the 21st Century. And we honor the sacrifices our troops, their families and veterans by making sure we take care of them when they come home,” the statement continued.

A new New York Times poll also indicated that Americans believe the U.S. will pursue a “quicker exit from Iraq” should the Democrats be in control. The survey said Americans believe the Democrats “have coalesced around a general position of finding a way to reduce or end American involvement in Iraq” but it also noted “there is substantial disagreement among Democratic Congressional leaders and candidates about exactly how to accomplish that.”

“Nearly 75 percent of respondents, including 67 percent of Republicans and 92 percent of Democrats, said they expected that Americans (sic) troops would be taken out of Iraq more swiftly under a Democratic-led Congress.”

The poll said 41 percent of respondents said they expected that troop levels would decrease if Democrats won control, while 40 percent said the party would seek to remove all troops. Forty-one percent said that they expected troop levels to remain the same if Republicans won, while 29 percent said they thought the United States would send more troops if the Republicans continued to control Congress.

Vice President Dick Cheney has reinforced Bush’s plans:

“Time and time again, we’re seeing examples of Democratic Party leaders apparently having lost their perspective concerning the nature of the enemy we face, and the need to wage this fight aggressively,” he said in a campaign stop this week. “No sharper example can be found than the Democratic Party chairman himself, Howard Dean, who said the capture of Saddam Hussein didn’t make America any safer.”

Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, told WND the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.”

He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

I guess John Murtha is right? Wrong!

106. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

why did you do that buttnuts ? what so you can pick of the tax tap from the rich cheap skates.

If that passes you property tax are going to go way up.

Commentby The Socialist— 11/3/06@ 10:55 pm

I vote for Eyeman initiatives as well. I am sure there will be more in the future. Not worried.

107. The Socialist spews:

why did you do that buttnuts ? what so you can pick of the tax tap from the rich cheap skates.

If that passes you property tax are going to go way up.

108. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

Mike?! McGavick is a Republican (although he doesn’t want you to know that).

Really, so he acts like a tax and spender? Yeah right. I voted for him as well. On Tuesday I am oging to vote for him again in KC. Hey if the dems can vote twice why cant we.

109. The Socialist spews:

47#

what is that the contract on america

110. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

46

Hey I admire you up there in KC. You just flat out steal elections with no questions asked. Why the hell do you think we got Logan down here now. Why go out and have illegals vote when you can just find a bag or two of ballots.

111. Democrats Rule spews:

“I am Democrat – I have no clue about islamofascism. When shown the thoughts of islamofascists in writing, I bury my head in the sand. Nancy Pelosi is right – the islamofascists will stop. They are wrong. When I say I support cut and run, I don’t understand why we just can’t get along. When I say I support cut and run it doesn’t leave Israel in real danger. Why should I care about Israel? I am Democrat. That’s the job for neocon losers. I only care about getting into your pocketbook. I like taxes. All kinds of taxes. I want to be like many European socialist states. I really like France. Those muslim riots are great stories. I care less about what happens overseas. Yes, I am careless! I care less about religion. Hitler was right about religion. Karl Marx was right about religion. That’s why I am Democrat, I hate religion. I have the MSM in my pocket.”

“Finally, my actions always are louder than my words.”

112. danw spews:

You suck Mike Webb.

What do you three cut and pastes say? We interviewed terrorists and they want Democrats because they want us out?
Well fucking Duh!
Even if these interviewies didn’t have their testicles attached to a car battery in Abu Garib.
They know as well as all of the fucking world, that there is no dealing in anyway to come to a solution with this administration.
They will have to keep dying as well as our young people. Because this fuckwad only knows diplomacy with killing.

And now to find out about the war profiteering going on while 1000′s of people are dying. This group is gonna have a lot of splainen to do. Now the reconstruction theifs want to bail, without doing fucking anything but stealing money.
Speak of Cut and Run. Go fuck up Iraq, kill their people, promise reconstruction then don’t do it, then tell them them you need to put a democracy in this cesspool we have left you. We have made enough profit for now.
Fucking Treasonous war profiteers.

Everyone is tired of this war including those on the make for 73 virgins…they are running out of virgins.

They want democrats, because they know that we are going to have to make YOUR Mia Culpa for making the mideast a cesspool.

They know we are the ones who are going to try to mend relationships with the rest of the world, that Bushco has fucked up.

Just like anytime we have a GOP President, it takes the next Democrat to fix the fucking mess you leave, we have to raise taxes to pay for YOUR irresponsible credit card spending.

So next time you want to say Democrats are ‘obstructionists’
We’ll reply ‘Thank you’. somebody has to be there to slow down the carnage that you leave for us to fix. Both abroad and domestically.

113. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Here’s what moonbats are running against:

1) Record high employment.
2) Record low interest rates.
3) Record high stock market
4) Zero attacks since 911
5) Global warming fixed
6) Home ownership at all time high.

Campaigning against peace and prosperity. How’s that going?

114. JDB spews:

Doofus Limbaugh:

You do realize the article you post mostly blames the Republican Congress for not making it easier for the military oversees to vote?

According to the committee’s study, “Military and Overseas Absentee Voting in the 2004 Election,” the largest problem in managing military absentee ballots is not hostile attorneys, but rather what military historians call “the tyranny of distance” – the unavoidable difficulties inherent in getting ballots to our deployed military people serving overseas.

During the election in 2000, the study found that, 30 percent of military personnel did not receive their ballot in time to cast a vote. When you combine that figure with the number of votes that were tossed out for various reasons – including arriving to the absentee voters via snail mail past voting deadlines – you can see that the scope of the problem is enormous.

I guess it is the Republicans that don’t want the military to vote, since they are the ones that set the laws.

Thanks for making that clear Doofus.

115. David Wright spews:

Votes with Bush? I didn’t know the president got a vote in the House.

116. Roger Rabbit spews:

151

What kind of SCUMBAGS would challenge the voting rights of SOLDIERS DEPLOYED IN IRAQ?

Republicans.

P.S., what the GOP did to those soldiers was also racist and a federal felony.

117. harry poon spews:

I just won’t put up with any more.

118. harry poon spews:

I wonder what they serve for communion at Ted Haggard’s mega church? Probably white bread and grape juice. Anything more and it would cut into his drugs and whoring.

119. Roger Rabbit spews:

Got any more smartass cracks about military votes, “Francine”? Let me ask you something.

Why do Republicans work so hard to keep American soldiers from voting in their own country, yet they’re willing to squander those same soldiers’ lives to give “democracy” to Iraqis?

120. For the Clueless spews:

This week, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry dumped $1 million from their campaign war chests into Democrat coffers. They answered the call of liberal groups who are pressing Democrats to pour tens of millions into a final push to gain control of Congress.

121. harry poon spews:

re 75: Did you work with Mark Foley? Are any of the other fine Republicans you worked with in jail?

Do you see a connection between all this “Homeland” crap and the German “Fatherland ” propaganda of the German Nazi era. I see it.

How do you “lose” $8 billion of our tax dollars in Iraq.. Bechtel is pulling out after charging American Taxpayers $2.5 billion for work they never did.

Republicans are a criminal disgrace and a bunch of domineering jackbooted thugs and if you steal this election you will get what’s coming — of that you can be sure.

122. The Socialist spews:

I think there gona lead sadum out and shoot him on monday to help the republicans get elected tuesday

123. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

To Roger Rabbit and his friends, there are only two worlds left: terrorist free or terrorist controlled. Apparently are for the latter. Why? Below is an article with real names, not one with anonymous entries from unnamed sources!

“Terrorists love Democrats: “By Aaron Klein
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

JERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday’s midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party’s position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are “tired.”

They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed. Of course, donk and islamofascists think alike!

They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance “resistance” against Israel.

“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.

“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.

Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”

“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”

Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”

“We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq,” said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas’ Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas’ declared “resistance” department. “They did not succeed in stealing Iraq’s oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw.”

Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is “emboldened” by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

“[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq,” boasted Abu Ayman.

The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America’s war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq.

President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region

The debate became especially poignant following remarks by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the 2004 presidential candidate who voted in support of the war in Iraq. Earlier this week he intimated American troops are uneducated, and it is the uneducated who “get stuck in Iraq.”

Kerry, under intense pressure from fellow Democrats, now says his remarks were a “botched joke.”

Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi’s comments on Iraqi insurgency

Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.

In a recent interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, “The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn’t mean we stay there. They’ll stay there as long as we’re there.”

Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week’s elections.

WND read Pelosi’s remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.

Islamic Jihad’s Saadi, laughing, stated, “There is no chance that the resistance will stop.” – Moonbats how come the CNNs of the world could not find these Muslims? Or I think they didn’t want to show America the real enemy. They were scooped!

He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States.”

Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would “mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America).”

“Therefore, a victory in Iraq would be a greater defeat for America than in Vietnam.”

Jaara said vacating Iraq would also “reinforce Palestinian resistance organizations, especially from the moral point of view. But we also learn from these (insurgency) movements militarily. We look and learn from them.”

Hamas’ Abu Abdullah argued a withdrawal from Iraq would “convince those among the Palestinians who still have doubts in the efficiency of the resistance.” Did you say cut and run emboldens their resistance?

“The victory of the resistance in Iraq would prove once more that when the will and the faith are applied victory is not only a slogan. We saw that in Lebanon (during Israel’s confrontation against Hezbollah there in July and August); we saw it in Gaza (after Israel withdrew from the territory last summer) and we will see it everywhere there is occupation,” Abdullah said.

While the terror leaders each independently urged American citizens to vote for Democratic candidates, not all believed the Democrats would actually carry out a withdrawal from Iraq.

Saadi stated, “Unfortunately I think those who are speaking about a withdrawal will not do so when they are in power and these promises will remain electoral slogans. It is not enough to withdraw from Iraq. They must withdraw from Afghanistan and from every Arab and Muslim land they occupy or have bases.”

He called both Democrats and Republicans “agents of the Zionist lobby in the U.S.”

Abu Abdullah commented once Democrats are in power “the question is whether such a courageous leadership can [withdraw]. I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so. I tell the American people vote for withdrawal. Abandon Israel if you want to save America. Now will this Happen? I do not believe it.”

Still Jihad Jaara said the alternative is better than Bush’s party.

“Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world.” – Now where did he hear that except from the fringe moonbats!

124. For the Soulless spews:

That’s fair. It’s both sides of the issue. The president’s minister is a crack smoking gay whoremonger and Kerry has bad timing on a punchline.

You got 3 days to spin that.

125. For the Soulless spews:

Ted Haggard is an allegory of the Republican character that resonates with every man woman and child in this country who hasn’t sold their soul for a mess of pottage.

Ted Haggard is a man who, although gay himself, made a life persecuting other gays in the name of God for his own profit. Is Ted Haggard the Good Samaritan who reached out with the hand of Christian love to the person he perceived as a sinner. He most certainly is not!

Ted Haggard, like Republicans everywhere, hypocritically inflamed the credulous against those who just were who they were. He exploited a prejudice to line his own pockets all the while cynically practicing that which he taught others to loath.

And all on the taxpayers’ (his paishioners) dime!

YOU ARE INDEED A GENERATION OF VIPERS!!

And if you don’t know who I’m quoting here, I feel sorry for you…

126. The Socialist spews:

oh gosh im sorry I no you republican get so up set at any one counting the votes . At lest we didn’t have the supreme count appoint or candidate. and we actually counted all the votes in the whole state and made sure they were counted accurately im sorry if that bothers you.

And our secretary of state a republican certified the election was fair and accurate.

127. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

If you are talking about the ‘04 election, you have been mis-informed. A judge found that the only illegal votes were for Dino Rossi, the Republican. But fortunately the system worked, so they were not able to “steal” the election as you say. So you shouldn’t accuse them of that like you do.

Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 8:20 pm

You mean the ballots they found at the second….. wait was that the second count….. no Rossi won….. oh that is right the third count were all illegal votes for Rossi? Wow that is news to me.

128. Roger Rabbit spews:

191

John Kerry can’t tell a joke. Commentby For the Soulless— 11/4/06@ 8:25 am

Tell us something we don’t know.

129. For the Soulless spews:

Why are rich Floridians so sanguine about sending a child molesting pervert to Congress? Where’s the outrage?

130. The Socialist spews:

from the SPUSA Statement of Principles
The SOCIALIST PARTY strives to establish a radical democracy that places people’s lives under their own control — a non-racist, classless, feminist, socialist society in which people cooperate at work, at home, and in the community…A society based on radical democracy, with power exercised through people’s organizations, requires a socialist transformation from below. People’s organizations cannot be created by legislation, nor can they spring into being only on the eve of a revolution…Our tactics in the struggle for radical democratic change reflect our ultimate goal of a society founded on principles of egalitarian, non-exploitative and non-violent relations among all people and between all peoples…Our aim is the creation of a new social order, a society in which the commanding value is the infinite preciousness of every woman, man and child

131. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Here’s what rightwing traitors are running on:

1) Record high under-employment
2) A reduction in earning power
3) A stock market that’s hardly any better off than it was six years ago when Baby Bush stole his office.
4) Unsolved anthrax attacks since 911
5) Highest trade deficits in history
6) Highest trade deficits in history
7) A world that’s less safe because of the war in Iraq (according to Bush’s own intel)

I can tell you how that’s going for the righties….just look at the polls. They’re getting their asses kicked.

How’s it feel to be a traitor, a closeted gay republican man, a coward AND to be on the looooosing side Mark The Cowardly Redneck?

132. Robert spews:

Andrew Sullivan: This isn’t an election – it’s an INTERVENTION!

Sorry Reichart and McGavick – maybe in saner times you could get elected – but not now.

133. For the Clueless spews:

Senator John F. Kerry (john_kerry@kerry.senate.gov), U.S. Senate

If you feel strongly about this issue, we encourage you to ask your friends and family to vote on it at this link: http://www.vote.com/vote/60423860/index.phtml

134. Roger Rabbit spews:

Let’s recap:

Winner of 2004 governor election: http://tinyurl.com/vsddr
Loser of 2004 governor election: http://tinyurl.com/bz8kv

135. For the Clueless spews:

BOSTON – A radio talk show host was fired Friday after he made a derogatory comment about the weight and sexuality of the Green-Rainbow party candidate running for Massachusetts governor.

WRKO-AM pulled host John DePetro from the air after he made the comments Thursday. It announced Friday that he had been fired.

“In the context of what he said and the tone with which he said it, the comments were completely inappropriate, derogatory and will not be tolerated,” said Jason Wolfe, the vice president of AM programming and operations for station owner Entercom Boston.

DePetro did not immediately return an e-mailed request for comment Friday, however, he told The Boston Globe in a story posted Friday on its Web site that he was “stunned” that he had been fired.

He said he had called the candidate, Grace Ross, to apologize for calling her a “fat lesbian.”
The host, who calls himself the “Independent Man,” said he made the remark because he was exasperated that Ross and independent candidate Christy Mihos were eating up time during a debate earlier in the week that included Republican candidate Kerry Healey and Democrat Deval Patrick.

He said it was then that he told listeners he wished someone would “tell the fat lesbian to shut up.”

“I just think both her and Christy have served their purpose and I had a problem with them still thrusting themselves into the debate,” he told the Globe. “I think I vocalized what a lot of people were thinking – will you just shut up and let them go at it. I added a little more.”

Ross, who is openly gay, laughed when she heard about it but said the comment was offensive.

“Big, fat? I guess that’s supposed to be his way of saying he doesn’t like somebody,” she said.

After hearing DePetro had been fired, she said: “I think that the comment was offensive in general, so I hope that many people in the state were offended by it and will help set a standard of what political debate is supposed to be about.”

DePetro had also been reprimanded by station management in July for using a slur often aimed at gays in reference to Matt Amorello, the former chairman of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority.

Wolfe said that after DePetro was suspended in that case, the host was warned that “any further comments of this kind would be dealt with in a severe way.”

136. Roger Rabbit spews:

RECRUITERS TELL KIDS IRAQ WAR IS OVER

From ABC News:

Cameras Show Army Recruiters Misleading Students

(Nov. 3) — An ABC News undercover investigation showed Army recruiters telling students that the war in Iraq was over, in an effort to get them to enlist.

ABC News and New York affiliate WABC equipped students with hidden video cameras before they visited 10 Army recruitment offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.

“Nobody is going over to Iraq anymore?” one student asks a recruiter.

“No, we’re bringing people back,” he replies. “We’re not at war. War ended a long time ago,” another recruiter says. …

One Colorado student taped a recruiting session posing as a drug-addicted dropout. … The recruiters … helped him cheat to sign up.

During the ABC News sessions, some recruiters told our students if they enlisted, there would be little chance they’d to go Iraq. But Col. Robert Manning, who is in charge of U.S. Army recruiting for the entire Northeast, said that new recruits were likely to go to Iraq. …

ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn’t like the Army, you could just quit. …”

Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/yjm3v4

137. Roger Rabbit spews:

McGavick claims in his mailer that he “isn’t afraid to buck his own party when it comes to making the hard decisions to control federal spending.” Sooooooo …

… if Mike?! represented us in the U.S. Senate, would he vote FOR or AGAINST continued funding for the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, then he’s FOR waste, fraud, and abuse — and PROTECTING corrupt Republican politicians and crooked Republican contractors!

Would somebody please ask him at his next campaign appearance?!

Mike?! is the problem, not the solution.

138. harry poon spews:

re 59: So does everyone else. Having a gun is a lot different than using it.

139. For the Clueless spews:

Almost forgot. The extreme right-wingers believe in a huge helping of corruption for their benefit to go along with their endless wars and death.

140. Anonymous spews:

I am a senior citizen.
During the Clinton Administration I had an extremely good and well paying job.
I took numerous vacations and had several vacation homes.
Since President Bush took office, I have watched my entire life change for the worse.
I lost my job.
I lost my two sons in that terrible Iraqi War.
I lost my homes.
I lost my health insurance.
As a matter of fact I lost virtually everything and became homeless.
Adding insult to injury, when the authorities found me living like an animal, instead of helping me, they arrested me.
I will do anything that Senator Kerry and Senator Kennedy want to insure that a Democrat is back in the White House.
Bush has to go.

Sincerely,
Saddam Hussein

141. For the Clueless spews:

We live in a world of curious euphemisms. There are things we want to say at times but cannot. So we say them in different ways.

For instance, whenever we say Pakistan, what we really mean is Muslim. When we say Pakistan is behind something, what we actually mean is: These Muslims are behind it. But since it’s still politically incorrect to blame an entire community, and a minority one at that, we blame it on Pakistan. Pakistan , to the average Indian, incorrectly I dare say, represents all that is wrong with Islam. Every time we blame Pakistan, we are actually blaming Muslims.

For we, or at least a very large section among us, are veering around to the belief that a secular India is not a place for Muslims- for Muslims owe allegiance, first and foremost to Islam, not to any nation.

While this may not be entirely true, as I know many Muslims who swear by India and secularism just as I know many Arabs who swear by Palestine, not Islam, the truth is also that, worldwide, Muslims appear to be firming up in their belief that their faith is more important than their nationality. That Allah is more important than India or UK or Saudi Arabia. We read about this daily. We watch it on TV.

142. JDB spews:

Sucks Mike Web:

Strange how you forget to mention the Al Qaeda missive that talked about how great Bush was for them by starting the war in Iraq which increased their recruiting.

And isn’t the proof of your lie the fact that Al Qaeda has not attacked this week? After all, if they wanted to get Democrats into office, they would show how weak Bush is. Instead they are laying low this election. Actual Proof that Al Qaeda wants Republicans to win.

143. Roger Rabbit spews:

95

Why should heirs get income without paying income or capital gains taxes when workers and small investors don’t?

I agree, repeal the Estate Tax — and tax inheritances as ordinary income with the same exemptions and deductions that people who EARN their money get!

144. Roger Rabbit spews:

100

And if they win a majority next week, she will become the first woman speaker of the House, two impeachments away from the presidency.

145. Heathen Sinner spews:

git her done, mark boy – how’s you new double wide?

146. For the Soulless spews:

If you’ve sold out and given up on your dreams, you just might be a Republican. (HEHE)

147. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Just saw one of burners’s ads on TV… I don’t get it… Apparently voting for a strong economy, low unemployment, national security, and fixing global warming is a bad thing. Seems to me she is making Reichert’s case for him.

Somebody gottta explain her ads to me…

148. For the Clueless spews:

Hey WOS – the way you deal with terrorists is kill them, cut off their funding, eliminate the need for people to join their causes. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The way wingnuts deal with them is to publish their views in wingnut publications, spreading fear for the purpose of maintaining power.

All you guys care about is power. And once you get it, you abuse it and screw everything up. That’s why you have to go.

149. The Socialist spews:

whats a fraction?

150. Heathen Sinner spews:

Hey, does anyone know if I’ll be getting a tax break this year?

151. The Socialist spews:

22#

so what do the irrational numbers do

152. The Socialist spews:

lma=lama

153. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

The estate tax deserves to be repealed. Vote “yes” on I-920.

Commentby For the Clueless— 11/3/06@ 10:17 pm

Yep, did that.

154. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period.

Amen

No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period = no goverment. Save the military and police though.

155. Roger Rabbit spews:

212

That’s Bill Gates-speak for “quit wasting my time; if you can’t do better than that, leave the room.”

156. Roger Rabbit spews:

There’s nothing the cheap labor conservatives would like better than to get their riches tax-free!

No income tax. No capital gains tax. No estate tax. No tax, period.

And they didn’t work for it. It came from other people’s work. The whole point of being a Republican is to live off other people’s labor so you don’t have to work!

157. Roger Rabbit spews:

Would Mike?! McGavick LIE about ratting out a bus driver with a twitchy finger like Rubberstamp Reichert did? I bet he would! He LIED about privatizing Social Security and he LIED about Cantwell raising taxes on Social Security benefits! You just can’t trust Republican liars.

Mike?! is the problem, not the solution.

158. For the Soulless spews:

Can you imagine the uproar in this country if John Kerry’s pastor turned out to be what Tim Haggard is? You’d never hear the end of it.

159. danw spews:

The Churches are just big business’s. The like of Haggard, Dobson, Falwell and Robertson selling fear of a life after.
They are just like the Life insurance industry, selling crap that does you no good in this life. All the while the executives are lining their pockets….and it’s TAX FREE. Maybe it’s the best business going, but just a business.

160. Roger Rabbit spews:

Pretty revealing huh? The vote hasn’t even been held yet and the Goopers are already screaming “FRAUD!”

161. ArtFart spews:

I almost don’t dare hope for it, but it appears that the right may indeed lose control of Congress next Tuesday. If so, they’ve brought it on themselves by believing their own bullshit.

162. Jack spews:

GOOD WORK gOLDY – DARCY BY A POINT

163. Daddy Love spews:

84 Francine

How did KC do in reconciling votes cast to registered voters?

Reconcilation is not and never has been intended to provide a 1:1 match between registeredvoters and ballots cast. Voter registration rolls are always in flux, while ballots cast are a snapshot. The meaning you attach to the discrepancy is an expression of your ignorance.

164. Roger Rabbit spews:

DIEBOLD GETTING OUT OF VOTING MACHINE BUSINESS?

Read the last paragraph of this Fortune article. http://tinyurl.com/ybjhck

165. For the Clueless spews:

WOS – straight cut and paste from Wing Nut Daily. You are a hollow man.

166. For the Clueless spews:

Hey! My last true post yesterday was at 9:52 pm then some jerk-off (probably DOOFUS or WOS) started posting in my name.

I bet it was ASS. Sounds like something she’d do.

These wingnuts are getting super desperate.

167. harry poon spews:

re 95: I don’t know why you cut annd paste a bunch of propaganda. We’ve deconstructed every piece of crap you are laying down on this thread.

There is no reason on this earth or in the Constitution of this great land that gives anyone the right to tie up the wealth of this nation in the hands of the few.

Your “legacy” is pain, want, hunger and thirst, disease, drought and the ruination of this planet.

I’ve worked all my life to build my life. I see no reason why a man should work for 20 years and pay taxes on a million dollars and another should inherit a million and pay none.

Your father paid taxes on the money — not you. There’s no free lunch.

168. Roger Rabbit spews:

IRAQ WAR? WHAT IRAQ WAR?

“WASHINGTON (CNN) — As she fights for her political life, Ohio Republican Rep. Deborah Pryce distanced herself Thursday from the Iraq war, telling CNN Radio, ‘What’s happening in Iraq is not a direct reflection on me.’

“The seven-term representative is the House Republican Caucus chairwoman, the fourth highest-ranking position in the House … experts say her current race with Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy is a toss-up.

“Pryce made the remark Tuesday in an interview at a Columbus, Ohio, factory. When pressed by CNN on whether her position as a House leader connected her to the volatile situation in Iraq, Pryce objected to the interruption of her remarks and said the interview was over.”

Quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or (c) info see http://tinyurl.com/y7qvb4

Roger Rabbit Comment: Yeah, cupcake, THAT war. Your party OWNS this turkey! You fucking voted for it, so don’t pretend you had nothing to do with it.

P.S. – are you one of those Republicans who questioned the patriotism of people who thought this war was a BAD IDEA? I hope you fucking LOSE on Tuesday, bitch.

169. For the Soulless spews:

John Kerry can’t tell a joke.

170. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

I just won’t put up with any more.

Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 10:21 pm

Hold that thought. Let’s see how you feel Wednesday morning. Ah that is going to be funny. heheehe

171. Roger Rabbit spews:

161

I see the P-I endorsed Darcy.

172. Don Joe spews:

Webbsterino, there’s just one problem with your three posts. “Winning” in Iraq, at least in the military sense, is no longer possible. Why, because the Commander in Chief that you helped to elect has been the most incompetent CiC in our history.

Read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11500950/site/newsweek/

Or, better yet, read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15530569/site/newsweek/?nav=slate

You see, sport, before you can make this whole “cut and run” argument stick, you have to define “winning” in such a way as to make it achievable. You and the right-wing clowns whom you let do your thinking for you have never adequately defined what “winning” means.

173. For the Clueless spews:

BOSTON — By now you may think that “San Francisco Liberal” is her last name. “Nancy Pelosi San Francisco Liberal” is being used to frighten voters everywhere from Indiana to Georgia to Scarborough Country. She’s caricatured as “Michael Moore,” “a specter hanging like a cloud over America,” and a woman waiting to rule the country with “illegal immigrants” and a “radical homosexual agenda.”

But if being demonized is the price for power, Pelosi is willing to pay it. The Democratic leader may not be renowned for delivering the party message, but she’s great at keeping the House Democrats on message. And if they win a majority next week, she will become the first woman speaker of the House, two heartbeats away from the presidency.

174. harry poon spews:

I’m tellin’ you this election stealing by Republicans has gone far enough. If people object to a totalitarian regime and you Republicans start pulling guns on them there is going to be chaos and you will be crushed.

If someone like you is strutting around with a gun thinking to intimidate , some one like me will take it from you. You don’t know what you are playing with.

175. danw spews:

Bill Maher was Awesome tonight (comes back on later)
The opening skit is perfect, but the final new rule rocks.

PS I haven’t read the string, but go to hell you Nazi’s anyway.

176. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

I’m tellin’ you this election stealing by Republicans has gone far enough. If people object to a totalitarian regime and you Republicans start pulling guns on them there is going to be chaos and you will be crushed.

If someone like you is strutting around with a gun thinking to intimidate , some one like me will take it from you. You don’t know what you are playing with.

Commentby harry poon— 11/3/06@ 9:13 pm

Blah,blah. When a donk says an election was stolen they are just being a sore loser. More hot air from a blathering liberal. As far as the threats go I will borrow a line from your side, BRING IT ON.

177. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

You got one thing right, republicans have betrayed the illegal voter. No big loss, they all vote democrat anyways.

178. The Socialist spews:

you have been out drinking with the lma agien haven;t you rabit

Well I guess it is friday night :-)

179. Roger Rabbit spews:

REPUBLICAN TRIES TO KILL IRAQ FRAUD INVESTIGATIONS

“Senators Push to Keep Iraq Fraud Investigator
“By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY
“AP

“WASHINGTON (Nov. 3) – Senate supporters of an investigator’s office that has unearthed waste and fraud in the rebuilding of Iraq say they will try to keep it alive, setting up a potential showdown with a Republican lawmaker who helped pass legislation to shut it down. …

“The agency’s work has resulted in four criminal convictions and, most recently, evidence that a Halliburton subsidiary exploited federal regulations to hide details on its contract performance. …

Earlier this year, (Sen.) Collins pushed through the Senate a measure that would … (keep) the IG office in business. But that provision … was stripped … (by) Rep. Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. …

“Democrats said the office was being killed by Hunter, R-Calif., and other administration loyalists to bury bad news.”

This article is quoted under Fair Use; for complete story and/or copyright info, vote for me or click on http://tinyurl.com/yf9hqc

Roger Rabbit Comment: Only 4 more days! Investigations! Subpoenas! Frog Marches! Trials! Pink Jumpsuits!

Mike?! McGavick is the problem, not the solution

180. David spews:

Had an interesting conversation with a bar owner last weekend. His lawyer and he are planning on getting payment from the state for the smoking ban if I-933 passes.

181. Roger Rabbit spews:

This is worth repeating:

Editorial
The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006

As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

(Quoted under Fair Use)

182. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

And how can you be against people who go around “buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage.” Without that, there would be no talk radio for wingnuts.

Commentby JDB— 11/3/06@ 8:00 pm

Damn, you make it sound like they are taking money from little boys and girls and then turning around and claiming bankruptcy. Hey that sounds familiar. hehehehee

183. Daddy Love spews:

MTR

You are so not worth discussing things with.

184. Daddy Love spews:

36 Americ afirst

How typical of a bunch of lib Dem scumbags to go around buying whores and drug dealers to spew their garbage

Hey, the real score was when our secret Democratic crack whore operatives got the president of the American Evangelical Assocation to admit to it. Well, that and the e-mails and tapes.

185. Roger Rabbit spews:

How have the Republicans betrayed the soldiers? I can sum that up in two words:

Operation Helmet

Folks — really now … when a Hollywood star has to raise money from the public to buy BATTLE HELMETS for soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn’t that tell you something about the priorities of the people who sent them there?

Operation Helmet has distributed over 27,000 helmet kits and still needs contributions — the current backlog of requests is over 500 kits.

Note that these kits are only sent to soldiers who REQUEST them. Why do they request them? Because they can’t get them from the government.

One more thing: Not one trollfuck has contributed a fucking dime to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ I sent $99. All the trollfucks put together haven’t sent $0.01. Whoooooo supports the troops? I do. Do they support the troops? Noooooo … just blowing smoke.

Just blowing pink smoke out of their asses. Blowin’ wind. Their faux “patriotism” is blowin’ in the wind.

186. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

I wuz perty biizzy taday… did jon cary git a perpel hart fer shoting hisef inna foots?

187. MtRainier spews:

Vote with your heart. The only chance these United States have to try and regain our once lofty position in the world order is to gut GWB’s rubber stamp congress and hold him accountable. Now is the time to stand up for your rights and vote Democratic.

188. Facts Support My Positions spews:

You are onto something MrRainier. The only way to regain our place in this world is to indict, convict, and incarcerate all the criminal scum running our country right now.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and the rest of the WHIG etc.

Once the scum are behind bars, we can work on our image…..

Oh I need to throw a bone to the wingnuts. Yes wingies what the other 5 BILLION people on this planet thinks of us does matter….

189. Mike Webb Sucks spews:

I think my three posts say it all about the cause and how moonbats don’t see the world.

190. For the Clueless spews:

“It’s sad. So sad.
It’s a sad, sad situation
And it’s getting more and more absurd
It’s sad. So sad. Why can’t we talk it over?
Oh it seems to me
Sorry seems to be the hardest word.”
– Elton John

What is wrong with John Kerry? What is missing from the Massachusetts senator’s makeup that will not allow him to admit that he’s human? And why did he wait so long to clean up a political mess that hurt his party in the short run and damaged his own long-term presidential prospects?

This is, after all, a guy who called the secret service member assigned to protect his life a “son of a bitch” for colliding with him on a ski slope. When asked later by a reporter about falling down, Kerry angrily declared, “I do not fall down.”

191. Facts Support My Positions spews:

If the Republicans were on the right side of issues they would not have to lie about everything……

Why doesn’t the GOP tell the truth for once.

Let’s do it for them.

We the Republicans care about 2 things. Staying in power by any means necessary, and helping the super rich become super duper rich. Nothing else matters to us. Politics of destruction is all we know. Now shut up and suffer some more America!!!!!

192. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

1st recount: Gregoire +1289, Rossi +1070, Bennett +69
2nd recount: Gregoire +919, Rossi +784, Bennett +49

Funny how ALL 3 candidates GAINED votes!

So gregoire got more vote on both counts. Whoah what are the odds. Were they counting the same ballots from the first count? There were more ballots added in KC on the second recount. Actually quite a bit more. Did you find out how far off KC was on the reconcillation between votes cast and registered voters? Just more evidence that KC stole the election.

193. Roger Rabbit spews:

75

“For nearly six years, I have worked with the Republicans in Congress to protect Americans by strengthening our homeland security”

Let’s recap: Republicans voted AGAINST homeland security!

Nov. 14, 2001: Senate Democrats propose $15 billion for homeland security; the White House warns against “permanent spending on other projects that have nothing to do with stimulus and that will only expand the size of government.”

Dec. 4, 2001: Senate Appropriations Committee votes 29-0 in favor of $13.1 billion for homeland security; the next day, Bush threatens to veto it.

Dec. 6, 2001: Senate Republicans reduce homeland security funding by $4.6 billion.

Dec. 19, 2001: Under pressure from White House, House-Senate conferees eliminate another $200 million of funding for airport security, port security, nuclear facility security, and postal security.

June 7, 2002: Senate votes 71-22 for $8.3 billion of homeland security funding; the next day, Bush’s advisors recommend a veto.

July 19, 2002: Under White House pressure, homeland security funding is further reduced by cutting money for food security, cyber security, nuclear security, airport security, port security, drinking water security, coordination of police and fire radios, and lab testing to detect chem-bio weapons.

Aug. 13, 2002: Bush decides not to spend $2.5 billion appropriated for homeland security on the grounds of “fiscal responsibility.”

Jan. 16, 2003: White House reacts to Democratic efforts to increase homeland security funding by stating, “The Administration strongly opposes amendments to add new extraneous spending.” Later that day, Senate Republicans vote against funds for smallpox vaccine.

Jan. 23, 2003: Senate Republicans cut security funding for the FBI, FEMA, INS, TSA, Coast Guard, and National Nuclear Security Administration.

Feb. 3, 2003: Bush submits a 2004 budget cutting homeland security funding by nearly 2 percent.

Feb. 14, 2003: Senate Democrats request money for smallpox vaccine, police and fire radios, and public transportation security; no Republicans support it.

March 21-25, 2003: Republicans defeat 7 amendments to bolster homeland security.

April 2, 2003: Senate Republicans reject Democratic amendment to provide $1 billion for port security.

April 3, 2003: Republicans reject protection of commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles and four other pro-homeland security amendments.

June 2003: House Republicans reject Democratic proposal to raise $1 billion for homeland security by reducing tax cuts for 200,000 millionaires by an average of $5,000 each (from $88,000 to $83,000).

194. Francine Busby-Democrat Cali spews:

It doesnt matter in the long. At least the right man won the Presidency in 2000 and 2004 despite rampant voter fraud from the dems in both elections.

195. Roger Rabbit spews:

Editorial
The Great Divider
Published: November 2, 2006

As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.” In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero.

It’s not the least bit surprising or objectionable that Mr. Bush would hit the trail hard at this point, trying to salvage his party’s control of Congress and, by extension, his last two years in office. And we’re not naïve enough to believe that either party has been running a positive campaign that focuses on the issues.

But when candidates for lower office make their opponents out to be friends of Osama bin Laden, or try to turn a minor gaffe into a near felony, that’s just depressing. When the president of the United States gleefully bathes in the muck to divide Americans into those who love their country and those who don’t, it is destructive to the fabric of the nation he is supposed to be leading.

This is hardly the first time that Mr. Bush has played the politics of fear, anger and division; if he’s ever missed a chance to wave the bloody flag of 9/11, we can’t think of when. But Mr. Bush’s latest outbursts go way beyond that. They leave us wondering whether this president will ever be willing or able to make room for bipartisanship, compromise and statesmanship in the two years he has left in office.

http://tinyurl.com/u7q98

(Quoted under Fair Use)

196. For the Clueless spews:

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (sf.nancy@mail.house.gov), U.S. House of Representatives

If you feel strongly about this issue, we encourage you to ask your friends and family to vote on it at this link: http://www.vote.com/vote/60426681/index.phtml

197. For the Clueless spews:

http://www.GOP.com/72hour

For nearly six years, I have worked with the Republicans in Congress to protect Americans by strengthening our homeland security and pursuing terrorists where they live. Together, with a Republican majority, we passed tax relief that spurred unprecedented growth and now need to make that relief permanent. And, working with Republican leaders in the Senate, we confirmed two extremely qualified Supreme Court Justices who faithfully interpret the Constitution instead of legislating from the bench.

by Goldy, 11/02/2006, 8:33 AM

70 Responses to “Open thread”

1. My Left Foot spews:

Conservativefirst @ 9

Using children as pawns in a politically motivated war, Iraq, then refusing to allow us to see the coffins returning is shamefully wrong too. Personally, I would rather see the short fim featuring a child ACTOR. How about you, asshole?

2. KS spews:

What a friggin idiot ! Her parents (Goldstein ?)were obviously feeding her this garbage to spew out, which is all leftwing secular regressive propaganda and you put it on this blog to appeal to the morons. Are you trying to outdo John Kerry’s gafe ?

3. For the Clueless spews:

Don Joe – for the most part it’s not a mistake, it’s deliberate. The anonymous moron calls people who agree with Goldy in the main “lemmings” is displaying another wingnut trait – projection.

They, the wingnuts, are the true lemmings. They read the wingnut talking points from all the usual sources and repeat them endlessly – one of them being painting anger and disgust with failed, disastrous Bushite policies as nothing but inchoate hatred for their Dear Leader.

4. Nate spews:

Funny thing happened on the way to hell…

Her convictions? Shhhheeeeiiiit, likely this “lady” hasn’t even experienced menstural cramps let alone have the experience to possess convictions. But thats just the issue isn’t it, the use of a child to reflect a childish attitude? Nothing from this display could lead reasonable people to any reasonable thoughts about “the message.” The only thing I see here is an attempt to mask lefist intolerance by exploiting a youthful non-white face. That is the only message here. Of course if a “God damn Christian” would go medieval on someones’s ass(es)much as the little darling intimates, then we would have a crisis intolerance now wouldn’t we?

Interested though, to know if either the the characture in the video or any of her living relatives have really seen what “medieval” can really be? Just remember, stay out of the orange jumpsuit when asked to appear on Al Jazeera…

5. Anonymous spews:

glopstien and his lemmings/apologizers haven’t figured out the difference between DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN and DO IT TO THE CHILDREN, nor do they seem to grasp the difference between F*CKING and PROCREATING.

GOOD!

6. Don Joe spews:

Clueless, conservatives have this knack for mistaking anger and disgust for hatred. I’ve yet to figure out how they manage to be so indiscriminating.

But, you really do have to wonder. When their children do things that make conservatives angry, do these conservatives start hating their children? That would certainly explain a lot.

7. Rujax! spews:

Absolutely Awesome!

Choke on THAT EvilFuckingChristianistBitch!

8. danw spews:

Great Clip!

9. Daddy Love spews:

DOn Joe

Actress or not, using a child to as a propoganda tool is wrong.

Your opinion is noted. Don’t try to make it mine.

10. Daddy Love spews:

51 artistdogboy

Is the kid that percousious or being heavily directed by some misguided adult?

Um, she’s an actor delivering lines from a script.

11. Don Joe spews:

Conservative,

Ok, so now you’ve followed the link, but didn’t actually read the article. Go back and read it again. The ad discussed there exploited children just as much as the video Goldy posted.

Please try to keep the issues strait. It’s not about the message that’s being delivered. It’s about the use of children in delivering the message. Of course, given that you clearly can’t keep the key issues straight, it’s no wonder you whinge about whether or not what I’ve linked is relevant.

I’m merely noting that using children to deliver the message seems quite alright to you when you agree with the message. You only piss and moan about using children when you don’t agree with the message.

12. JDB spews:

At least nine GOP seats have been affected by scandals and are highly vulnerable to Democratic takeover next week. Foley’s abrupt resignation has jeopardized a Florida House district that had been on no one’s radar screen. Under indictment and amid a swirl of ethics investigations, former House majority leader Tom DeLay (Tex.) resigned from Congress earlier this year, forcing Republicans to mount a long-shot write-in campaign for their chosen candidate. Rep. Robert W. Ney’s guilty plea last month on corruption charges still hangs over the Ohio campaign of his would-be Republican successor, Joy Padgett, especially because Ney still has not resigned from Congress.

The GOP has all but abandoned longtime Rep. Curt Weldon (Pa.), as federal investigators examine charges that he steered lobbying contracts to his daughter. Weldon went on television yesterday with an ad featuring actors pleading, “Would you give a friend the benefit of the doubt? . . . Today, Curt Weldon needs our support.”

Republican campaign strategists fear they have also lost the seat of Rep. Don Sherwood (Pa.), who has been dogged by the settlement of a lawsuit filed by a mistress who charged that Sherwood had throttled her.

Congress watchers once saw the swing seat of Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) as a missed opportunity for Democrats. But now, as the U.S. attorney’s office in Phoenix examines his role in a land deal for a business partner and political benefactor, Renzi’s race with political neophyte Ellen Simon (D) has tightened.

Farther west, Rep. Jon Porter (R-Nev.) has had to contend with charges lodged last month by a longtime former aide, Jim Shepard, that the lawmaker made dozens of illegal fundraising calls from his congressional offices. And two reliably Republican districts in California are under assault by Democrats because Reps. Richard W. Pombo and John T. Doolittle have been linked to Abramoff, the lobbyist who pleaded guilty in January to fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy to bribe public officials.

Beyond those nine jeopardized GOP seats, four other Republicans have been tainted by the Foley page scandal. Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (N.Y.) chose to issue a public apology after he admitted that he had known about inappropriate contact between Foley and a former page this spring. Democrats have repeatedly hit Rep. Deborah Pryce (Ohio), the House Republican Conference chairman, for inaction on the Foley matter. And Democrats have tried to hold two former members of the Page Board, Reps. Sue W. Kelly (N.Y.) and Heather A. Wilson (N.M.), accountable for Foley’s actions.

Meanwhile, new allegations continue to spring up. Vern Buchanan, a Republican running for the Florida seat vacated by Rep. Katherine Harris (R), was the target of local media reports this week detailing his use of business entities in Caribbean tax havens to reduce levies on his auto dealerships. The Albany Times Union published an article yesterday charging that the wife of Rep. John E. Sweeney (R-N.Y.) called police late last year to report that her husband was “knocking her around” during a late-night argument.

And Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), who made his name pushing campaign finance changes and governance reforms, was confronted with media reports alleging that a 2003 trip to Qatar — partly funded by a group loosely tied to Abramoff — had not been properly disclosed.

“The corruption issue plays in two ways: It contributes to the sour mood of the country and to the low job approval of Congress, and it particularly plays in races directly touched by allegations of scandal,” said Republican pollster Whit Ayers. “And in those races, it plays a significant role.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/01/AR2006110103146.html?referrer=email

13. Heathen Sinner spews:

I am a Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a hypocrit and family man. I proclaim self righteousness. I am bigger than God, but an asshole. Hail Hitler!

14. Nate spews:

Well hell, I am suitabley impressed by the immense level worldy experience. I say God damn, this well experienced “lady” just popped right out of da grass possessin’ all that nuance and shit, wit’ nary requirement for parentage other than some magnificient stage of evilution and random act of celluar mitosis. Well mutherphuck me runnin’ it seems all of us aged passed 14 should be charged with grand theft for all the oxygen we have been stealin’ from such a bundle of wisdom. All of those human trash heaps that make them thar bundles of Oprah lovers go to Church (or take out the trash, or do homework…)should be lined up at the trains bound for euthenasia camps…

15. Don Joe spews:

Goldy,

Don’t you understand? Having a child call Bill-O an idiot is an affront to their conservative sensibilities. The fact that Bill-O happens to be an idiot isn’t.

By the way, where are my props for the link to the Sadr City seige

16. David spews:

I thought the costume looked like a cross between a 1920′s flapper and greta garbo myself; if you think that makes her look like a whore, take it up with Grandma.

As far as exploition goes, the young lady hasn’t shared with us whether or not she was forced to make that video or if she wanted to so she could express her views. Until she does, calling it expoitation is just an excuse to keep from thinking about the message.

My personal feeling is that she would probably kneecap someone who tried to make her do something against her convictions, but thats just me.

17. Anonymous spews:

great ‘dames’ don’t dress like whores.

18. Aaron spews:

Does your mother dress like a whore? I thought so. Pervert.

19. Anonymous spews:

Hmm. I post a provocative (and amusing) video clip to an open thread, without comment, and that makes me a lunatic, fringe blogger. Commentby Goldy— 11/2/06@ 12:12 pm

glopstien thinks he’s Kerry… pulls an asshole move then blames to ‘common folk’ who call him on it.

20. Eric spews:

Agreed. Now let’s finally drop our support of Israel. That would take care of 99% of our problems.

21. ConservativeFirst spews:

Using a child as a propaganda tool. How sad.

22. m spews:

I look forward to the day we have death squads to rid the world of your kind

23. Don Joe spews:

This “God that doesn’t exist” doesn’t bother me in the least. The people who make outrageous claims about this God telling them to do despicable things tend to concern me a little.

24. Aaron spews:

Commentby Anonymous— 11/2/06@ 9:59 am

Child whore? WTF are you talking about, your own perverted fantasies?

She was dressed really cool, like a great dame. Sicko.

25. For the Clueless spews:

That was so cool!!!! I liked the song at the end.

Hey Wingnuts – is this an example of the coarsening of our culture?

26. Anonymous spews:

Thank God, liberals refuse to/can’t breed and won’t be producing any more child whores.

Is goldstiens brat brunete?

I’m just asking.

27. Steve H. spews:

Strange that a God that doesent exist should bother you so much! Sounds like some kind of disorder to me. Professional help is available. Or maybe the problem is that you know down deep that you are wrong. One day every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!

28. Daddy Love spews:

So president Bush thinks Don Rumsfeld is doing a fantastic job in Iraq, and Majority Leader John Boehner agrees. All of the problems we’re having in Iraq are because the generals don’t know what they’re doing, but Rummy does. And/or the other possibility: the troops aren’t executing competently. And these are Republicans saying this. Way to “support the troops” Mr. President. Way to “support the troops,” Mr. Majority Leader.

These guys don’t deserve to lead.

29. Daddy Love spews:

9 ConservativeFirst

At least the kid is working, and not a leech sucking the blood out of taxpayers in public school.

30. For the Clueless spews:

wingnuts – no sense of humor whatsoever. Propaganda? That kid was speaking the truth! That was great political theatre/satire. That was art!

31. Anonymous spews:

an “actor” being dressed as a child whore and given a script that reads like a HA devotee is STILL an exploited child… actually even MORE of an exploited chid as her parents are making money off her exploitation, her agent is making money off her exploitation, her cameraman is making money off her exploitation,the makeup artist (although how hard is it to look like a whore)is making money off her exploitation, the ad agency is making money off her exploitation, the “band” is making money off her exploitation a glopstien is making money off her exploitation.

33. For the Clueless spews:

All the right wing morons who bloviate about the breeding rates of liberals are ignoring one thing.

The greatest recruiter of people to the moderate and liberal ranks are wingnut policies themselves.

Almost all Iraq veterans running for office are on the Democratic ticket. That speaks for itself.

34. Don Joe spews:

Anon,

So Mark Foley was doing it for the children?

35. For the Clueless spews:

The guy who runs orbusmax is a wingnut extremist – a “fringe” blogger indeed. He practically makes Sharansky look halfway normal.

37. Daddy Love spews:

49 CF

I just don’t think using a child to say things that her parents or whomever made this “film” want to espouse is an appropriate way to communicate a disagreement with another person’s views.

Your opinion is noted. Why don’t you tell us again? And again.

38. Facts Support My Positions spews:

Jesus = Prince of Peace

It all depends on what the meaning of peace is right?

I love Bush’s good vs evil analagy.

We are good, and they are evil right? We get to kill all of “them” we want right? All in the name of “good” right?

If they don’t want to give us their stuff we will kill them, or corrupt their leaders.

Read “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” if you don’t get it.

I tell you what. If Bush, and the GOP are Christians, I am just the opposite. Period.

Jesus is with me…….

39. midlake bob spews:

WOW!

I love it!

…. and EVERYONE knows video games are Good for the Soul (caliber)…

religion….. bah humbug!

40. Thomas Trainwinder spews:

Did Reichert graduate from high school? His bio says he “attended”…never mentions “graudated”. I’m just asking…

41. Anonymous spews:

206-726-7000

42. Anonymous spews:

Tom (John) Glendenning… leave a message.

43. Goldy spews:

ProudAss @62,

That’s Tom Clendening, he’s the program director at both KIRO and KTTH, and if you’re gonna call and demand that I be fired, I suggest that you at least get his name right.

So please feel free to give him a call. A talk radio host who generates controversy? Oh gee, that’s gonna hurt my career.

44. righton spews:

Free speech?

your friend Richard Pope is in Sea Times this am, cuz some gov’t or law group doesn’t like his ads…..

WTF….why can’t he say near anything? let the public flame him (like we’ve done Darcy) but don’t have his free speech regulated…

45. Don Joe spews:

Conservative,

Yes, using children as propaganda tools is very sad.

On the other hand, incorporating them into one’s sexual fantasies while working as a Representative in Congress is just plain sick.

46. ConservativeFirst spews:

Commentby Daddy Love— 11/2/06@ 12:15 pm

“Your opinion is noted. Why don’t you tell us again? And again.”

I’ll refrain, I don’t want to be like Roger Rabbit. I apologize if I offended your delicate sensibilities.

47. ManofTruth spews:

some looney commenter is posting (rest in hell Gerry Studds)

Say hello to him when you get there though I think you are more likely to get there than he is

48. ConservativeFirst spews:

Commentby For the Clueless— 11/2/06@ 10:43 am

“CF – Nobody really “hates” Bush (ok maybe a few).”

I think more than just a few people here on HA, hate Bush, and are a mirocosm of the country. I think there’s a large contingent of fringe lefties that hate Bush and can’t function because of it. Just like the right wing fringies that hated Clinton so much it paralyzed them.

“A majority of people in this country merely dislike the guy and the disastrous path down which he and his enablers has sent this country.”

If you want to disagree with his policies, that’s a whole other matter. I just don’t think using a child to say things that her parents or whomever made this “film” want to espouse is an appropriate way to communicate a disagreement with another person’s views.

You lefties do realize that “Onward Christian Soliders” is not advocating violence, but instead is compelling Christians to fight in a spiritual war against the evil of Satan.

“We’d just like to retire the guy to Crawford as soon as possible. He’s blown his opportunity to something worthwhile – big time.”

Well mark your calendar for 1/20/09. It’ll be a red letter day for you. I saw that Howard Dean said today Democrats won’t try and impeach Bush if they win a majority. I’m not sure I believe him. But if the Dems do win a majority in the House, it’ll be an interesting internal debate in the Democratic Party, since those “few” who hate Bush, seem to talk a lot and talk pretty loudly.

49. Anonymous spews:

resigned vs re-elected after censure (rest in hell Gerry Studds)

50. The Socialist spews:

Republicans are all a-moral ass holes!!!

51. Daddy Love spews:

23 Anon

Thank God, liberals refuse to/can’t breed

The big deal is that
1. You’re wrong.
2. You’re an idiot.
3. We’re coming.

52. Daddy Love spews:

27 Anon

So YOU decide who’s exploited, and YOU decide who’s a whore. So like a Republican. Attack the morals of those with whom you have political disagreements. Your time is over.

54. ConservativeFirst spews:

Commentby My Left Foot— 11/2/06@ 9:52 am

“Using children as pawns in a politically motivated war, Iraq, then refusing to allow us to see the coffins returning is shamefully wrong too. Personally, I would rather see the short fim featuring a child ACTOR. How about you, a**hole? ” (explitive deleted)

What children were used as pawns in Iraq? The soldiers? Unless they’ve changed the entrance requirements to the military, all military personnel are adults, and joined voluntarily.

Actress or not, using a child to as a propoganda tool is wrong. Does your virulent hatred of Bush not allow you to see this?

Commentby Don Joe— 11/2/06@ 9:43 am

“On the other hand, incorporating them into one’s sexual fantasies while working as a Representative in Congress is just plain sick.”

I’ll agree with you there. Foley is no longer in Congress, and his seat will likely be held by a Democrat next term. The system apprears to be working, as far as I can tell. Other than to score cheap political points, what are you trying to say? That using a child as a propoganda tool is okay?

Commentby Daddy Love— 11/2/06@ 9:58 am

“At least the kid is working, and not a leech sucking the blood out of taxpayers in public school.”

I’ll assume you are being sarcastic.

55. For the Clueless spews:

CF – Nobody really “hates” Bush (ok maybe a few). A majority of people in this country merely dislike the guy and the disastrous path down which he and his enablers has sent this country.

We’d just like to retire the guy to Crawford as soon as possible. He’s blown his opportunity to something worthwhile – big time.

56. For the Clueless spews:

23 – Is that ASS hiding in there?

24 – a wingnut attitude to be sure. That’s why we’re going to change things next Tuesday.

57. artistdogboy spews:

This reminds me of one of those Hezbollah clips with the masked kids with wooden guns marching around an acting as stupid as their parents. Is the kid that percousious or being heavily directed by some misguided adult? For God’s sake let the kid have some fun
with life before you fill their heads with it the them against us phyco-babble.

58. ConservativeFirst spews:

Commentby Don Joe— 11/2/06@ 10:48 am

“Conservative, you apparently didn’t follow my link. It referred to a news item about Republicans exploiting children for political purposes. It took me less than 30 seconds with Google to find that link.”

From the link:
“Ads Accuse Dems of Not Protecting Kids ”

“Not that I’d expect consistency out of a conservative, but you really shouldn’t make it this easy.”

Seems like two completely different things to me. The video posted here directly exploits a child.

The link you provided is about ads that attack the positions of candidates for office being soft on policies that protect children. In your world a candidate can’t be criticized about their policies if those policies involve children because it’s exploiting children? Strange argument, but alright.

Maybe you should spend more time on your search next time, to find some information that is actually relevant to the argument at hand.

59. Daddy Love spews:

6 Anon

My liberal sisters and brother have eight children between them. Be very afraid.

60. Anonymous spews:

she could be CHILD actor but that doesn’t make her less exploited.

61. Facts Support My Positions spews:

Maybe if the Christians weren’t so involved with politics, people wouldn’t want to feed them to the lions…..

62. Daddy Love spews:

No one beleives president Bush any more. He can’t even convince that hardcore 30+%. According to the latest NY Times/CBS poll,
80 percent said Mr. Bush’s latest effort to rally public support for the [Iraq] conflict amounted to a change in language but not policy. It’s amazing how many Republicans realize that he’s a goddamn liar?

Wingnuts? Report.

63. Facts Support My Positions spews:

Using a child as a propaganda tool. How sad.

Commentby ConservativeFirst— 11/2/06@ 9:28 am

——————

Using the terror alert system to control the media cycle. How criminal.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts_x.htm

This little girl doesn’t fit the Denial “frame” righ? Having children defined by O’Riley is like having Jews defined by NAZIS.

When are you wingnuts gonna admit the GOP is a bunch of crooked, lying, corrupt, treasonous perverts? Oh, all facts have to support my positions so I take that back. Either they are perverts, or they are protecting perverts!

By the way, who was Jeff Gannon visiting on his overnight stays at the White House?

(crickets chirping)

65. Daddy Love spews:

18 Anon

She’s not an “actor,” she’s an actor. And all those people you disparage are the hard working people that Democrats are rpresanting. No wonder you guys are losing.

66. Anonymous spews:

#20 big deal

how many brothers and sisters?

how many did they abort?

67. Jack spews:

about 50 percent sicko

my daughters are the product of enlightened progressive patenting – and never would we have manged them into something like this

horrid

68. Goldy spews:

This video, amongst other things, is art.

Apparently, some people are really threatened by art. For example, the local right-wing news aggregator Orbusmax was kind enough to give this post the following headline link:

I CAN’T BELIEVE 710 KIRO GIVES THIS FRINGE BLOGGER HIS OWN RADIO SHOW. IF YOU NEED ONE MORE REASON TO KEEP LUNATIC DEMOCRATS OUT OF POWER WHEN YOU VOTE NEXT WEEK, HERE IT IS (WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE). WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP.

Hmm. I post a provocative (and amusing) video clip to an open thread, without comment, and that makes me a lunatic, fringe blogger.

Exactly what is it about this video that so frightens you guys, that you think it should be suppressed?

69. Don Joe spews:

Conservative, you apparently didn’t follow my link. It referred to a news item about Republicans exploiting children for political purposes. It took me less than 30 seconds with Google to find that link.

Not that I’d expect consistency out of a conservative, but you really shouldn’t make it this easy.

70. dutch spews:

Sad, very sad, but on the other hand, telling.

Goldy at 55: No, I don’t think this clip should be surpressed. That’s what makes the US great…free speech and the freedom to voice your opinion. One can do this without insulting or threatening people, or being threatened.

But this clip also shows where certain people stand. Show this video to any independent or reasonable democrat and tell them: “This is what the democrats or progressive/liberals stand for” and I guarantee you, the democrats will never be in power.

And fortunately, the people on this board are not the mainstream democrats. And I hope there are still some around.

by Goldy, 10/31/2006, 4:15 PM

174 Responses to “Open thread”

1. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

Amazing how Kerry in Seattle continued to be moonbattic!

2. Robert spews:

JCH says he love his country, he just hates any American that disagrees with him.

3. Maria spews:

I really don’t think John Kerry owes an apology for anything. He is the smartest man I know, besides my best buddy, Ron Dotzauer. And he is really rich! He married an heiress. I guess I should have tried to do the same thing, instead of getting involved with this deadbeat who needed my money to pay off his child support payments.

But Kerry was trying to insult the President, the guy who isn’t as smart as Kerry, he wasn’t trying to insult the troops! He just got his words wrong. He does that a lot. Like when he accused the troops of terrorizing women and children in Iraq. He claimed that was a job for the Iraqis!

Oh, got to go. Harry Reid is calling to tell me what to do next . . .

4. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

95% of military votes [and their families] will vote Republican!!! The turnout will be huge, and the illegal and felon Democrayt vote will be stopped!!!! Thanks, John “Fing” Kerry!!!!!!

5. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

151……Nope. My DD 214 noted otherwise. JCH

6. Roger Rabbit spews:

16

See #68.

7. Roger Rabbit spews:

Flaky klaky @22

“Roger what you are saying is that a Socialist Democrat is above the law and allowed to violate any law as long as it justifies the means. Rep. Jimmy McDermott can do whatever he wants …”

Nope, all I said was there’s no judgment against McDermott and there won’t be a ruling until next year, and meanwhile there’s no news to report on this case except arcane legal arguments.

Needless to say, it’s a waste of time to try explaining arcane legal arguments to a wingnut who can’t even spell “to.”

8. Roger Rabbit spews:

15

” … an arrogant elitist asshole jerk of the first order. All you guys supported him last time. Now what do you think of your boy?” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/31/06@ 6:57 pm

True, but I still like our an arrogant elitist asshole jerk better than your arrogant elitist asshole jerk.

9. Daddy Love spews:

John Kerry apologizes:

“I said it was a botched joke. Of course, I’m sorry about a botched joke,” Kerry, who had refused to apologize on Tuesday, said on the “Imus in the Morning” radio show on MSNBC.

Will that be the end of it? OF COURSE NOT!

Republicans can’t run on their record, so they want to talk about ANYTHING but their record. Because of Iraq.

10. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers.

Commentby RightEqualsStupid [......Er, like Barney Frank and Gary Studds?]

11. For the Clueless spews:

Kerry mispoke. He tried to make a joke about Shrubya and blew it.

Mispoke like Darth Cheney about Saddam’s “reconstituted nuclear weapons”.

Or does Cheney still believe that? Do the wingnuts still believe that?

13. ChimpPatrol spews:

kkk@ 50, I don’t know. Could it have been bush the bitch, cheney the coward and pumsfield the rats lies that convincedhim and the rest of the US to attack the wrong country?

14. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Daddy Love, All militay officers are college grads. All Democrats are “Jane Fonda” traitors.

15. Craig is very lonely indeed spews:

129.
Weren’t you caught red-handed, repeatedly lying about your military service? It’s all archived right here at HA.

So you fabricate a personal history of military service and then use it to bludgeon anyone who disagrees with you.

That makes Rove and Cheney look like blood stained war heroes.
That makes Al Sharpton look like a pillar of honesty and virtue.

16. klake spews:

Oil prices recently reached almost $80 a barrel. But those in-the-know knew it would not stay there — and, in fact, a major price correction was in the works.

Saudi Arabia’s oil minister Ali al-Naimi is warning that oil price hikes and global oil demand could soon disappear.

In fact, he is also warning that oil prices could easily “plummet” in the near future.

Ali al-Naimi said prices could plummet if an economic crisis drives industrialized nations to find other sources of energy, citing the 1980s – when oil prices dropped by 80 percent after such nations reduced their dependency on oil and turned to alternative energy sources.

”Global economic growth may not continue at the same good momentum for years to come,” al-Naimi said at the opening of a four-day conference of Arab energy ministers in Amman. ”We should be careful and not take expectations as indisputable, especially the continuation of big demand for oil and its prices remaining at the same level or increasing,” he said.

What Say You Roger? Now we all know you have all the answers.

17. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

Poor, silly Klake, babbling again. Commentby K— 10/31/06@ 7:40 pm

Sorry K – Facts hurt the librul mind!

18. Daddy Love spews:

The Kerry flap is a typical Republican 11th hour scam. It ranks right up there with the Busby quote. I don’t know how careful every frickin’ Democrat in the country would have to be to avoid giving them something that they can quote out of context, blow up from nothing to a major issue, and plaster all over friendly media outlets for days.

If you don’t remember, in the special election to fill convicted Republican felon Randy “Duke Cunningham’s Housae seat, Busby told a Spanish-speaking questioner (who spoke only broken English) that he and others did not need to be registered to vote to help her campaign. She used two phrases in quick succession as she tried to get the concept across to her audience, “registered to vote” and “papers for voting.”

That wqas quickly picked up by the local Republicans and immediately blasted out in the press as “Busby says ‘You don’t need papers to vote,’ encourages illegal imigrants to vote.” Of course, it was no such thing, but try to get the truth out over the Republican Noise Machine. Heck, every true-blue Republican in this comments section will swear on the Bible that Busby was encouraging illegal immigrans to vote, even though it’s a bald-faced lie. They believe it, though (I think).

Literal transcription (it was spoken, not written). Remember, this is her response to a Spanish-speaking questioner who said he wanted to help her campaign but lacked voting papers. The question was translated into English and she responded, “Everybody can help. You can all help. You don’t need papers for voting you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.”

See how it works? Bilbray beat Busby, so the method is vindicated for the GOP. See them go on the Kerry thing. There’s no “there” there, but the noise won’t stop.

19. Daddy Love spews:

Wingers:

Q: What is Bush doing to reduce sectarian violence (or civil war, depending on your PoV) in Iraq?

I mean, we’re over there “fighting insurgents,” but what are we doing to reduce sectarian violence? It looks like the largely Shi’ite Interior Ministry is part of the problem, what is the administration doing about it?

It looks like the insurgent-friendly hands who are everywhere in the police forces and the military (news reports recorded this phenomenon since we started to build those forces) could very well be, and probably are, supplying the insurgency with American-made and American-supplied arms; what is the administration doing about it?

Many top officers are beginning to think that setting a deadline and moving some troops out would cause the iraqis to move toward taking over sooner, so that the process will not take decades. What is the administration doing about it?

There are cases of people having had electrical drills forced through their skulls and into their brains. Others have had their eyes burnt out. Many had hands bound by tape or handcuffs.” This kind of thing is what feeds the hatred of other sects AND hatred of Americans; what is the administration doing about it?

Just makes me wonder. Stay the course?

20. K spews:

No, Observer, Republicans spin and parrot, Democrats read and think.

21. BeAParentFirst spews:

Darcy Burner…a botched joke.

22. Roger Rabbit spews:

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I read Fortune (and other business publications) too, klake. I’m going to sell my oil stocks soon. A price crash is coming, some say to $20 – $30 bbl.

23. Roger Rabbit spews:

And that’s being generous because you aren’t worth even $2.13 an hour, klake. In fact, you’re not worth jackshit.

24. Another TJ spews:

I’ll shift this over to the open thread:

Fox News (sic) continues to lose viewers; Countdown up huge.

25. RightEqualsStupid spews:

I am calling on the Bush Regime to make an apology for:

1) Telling us at least three different lies about why we went to war in Iraq.
2) For outing a CIA agent in an attempt to cover up their lie about the war in Iraq.
3) For getting 3000 of our young men and women killed in the quagmire of Iraq.
4) For spending trillions of dollars that we don’t have on the failed war in Iraq.
5) For destroying any good will we might have had in the international community while fighting a fake war in Iraq.
6) For giving hundreds of millions of tax dollars to Bush pals in no-big contracts to rebuild Iraq after we spend hundreds of millions of tax dollars to destroy it.
7) For destroying our Constitution under the guise that the Bush regime will somehow protect us while at the same time eliminating our civil and Constitutional rights.
8) For creating a law (The Patriot Act) that forces librarians to spy on normal Americans because of the books they read.
9) For creating one country (Iraq) that’s stuck in a civil war and another (USA) that’s on the verge of one.

Where’s the “I’m Sorry” that matters Mr. Decider?

26. MEGABRAD spews:

Kerry is a punk.
His story of “making a joke directed at Bush” doesn’t hold water or make sense. Bush went to college, and GOT BETTER GRADES THAN KERRY.
Kerry is a punk and a liar. So are the people who support him.

27. Poster Child spews:

Wait a gol’ Darn minute! Isn’t what Kerry said (and I copy and paste from above)

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” ?

Why do we assume this is an insult to the military? He’s obviously talking about the electorate.

We didn’t do our homework. Twice. Now we’re stuck in Iraq.

28. K spews:

Klake, you can’t write, and obviously you cannot read either. Read the entire statement in context.

And it’s Mr. K to you!

29. Roger Rabbit spews:

erratum

“apply” not “employ”

30. Daddy Love spews:

Likely Senate Dem pickups:
MO
VA
NJ
OH
PA
RI

Possible:
TN
CO

Open Dem seats that won’t go GOP:
MN
MD
CT (if you believe Lieberman)

31. JDB spews:

The Republican spin machine is no longer the only game in town:

Fox News and CNN were mostly down in October primetime, compared to the same month a year ago. But MSNBC was mostly up, with Hardball enjoying a 27 percent gain in the demo and Scarborough Country recording a 13 percent increase. Countdown with Keith Olbermann beat CNN’s Paula Zahn in the demo again, and came within 2,000 viewers of beating her in total viewers. Olbermann was up 61 percent in the demo versus last year.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/oct_s_msnbc_posts_big_gains_with_hardball_countdown_scarborough_46556.asp

32. Doctor Maf54 Kennedy Esq. spews:

House Race Summary for Oct. 31

The math is easier given one important finding: Not a single Democratic candidate in a district now held by a Democrat is trailing, regardless of the combination of polls examined. So, we will focus below on potential Democratic pickups.

We count 10 seats currently held by a Republican where multiple surveys shows the Democrat with a statistically meaningful lead regardless of what combination of polls we look at: Arizona-08, Colorado-07, Indiana-02, Indiana-08, North Carolina-11, New Hampshire-02, New Mexico-01, Ohio-18, Pennsylvania-07, and Pennsylvania-10.

One seat gets its own category: The one and only poll in the Texas-22 district formerly represented by Rep. Tom Delay shows Democrat Nick Lampson leading. However, a complicated ballot (Republican Shelley Sekula-Gibbs is a write-in candidate) makes this result tenuous.

Seven more Republican seats look to be in statistically meaningful jeopardy, but only when you count the automated Majority Watch surveys (either because they are the only ones done or because they tip the balance, making the Democrat’s lead statistically meaningful): Indiana-09, Iowa-01, New York-24, New York-25, New York-26, New York-29, and Ohio-15.

Three more Democrats would show significant leads if we include the internal surveys released by partisan pollsters: Florida-13, Nebraska-03, and Ohio-01.

Thus, if you trust the Majority Watch surveys and assume a pickup in Texas-22, then Democrats are leading in exactly the 18 seats the need to win a majority. If you trust all polls, then they currently lead in enough districts to win 21 seats.

But even more important: Polls have been conducted in October in another 25 seats where the averages indicate a statistical tossup. Only two of these seats are currently represented by Democrats. How well the Democrats ultimately do depends on how many of these still-too-close-to-call races they ultimately win.

http://www.slate.com/id/2148699/

33. klake spews:

Roger my spelling might be poor but your comprehension is even as bad or worst. Now read what the Al Qaida supporter really said and he was also supporting the NVA during the Viet Nam Era. They hanged pictures of him in their command post in North Viet Nam and I’m not surprised that Osama bin Laudin has one signed and hanging in his cave. Yep he is still anger over the Swift-Boat crew torpedoing this election chances last time around. Just Like you Thumper still angry after the War end many years ago.

http://www.slate.com/id/2152650/

Military Intelligence
By Christopher Beam
Posted Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2006, at 6:10 PM ET
Bloggers get heated over Sen. John Kerry’s remarks about the military. They also theorize about a recent madrasah bombing in Pakistan and laugh at Fox’s premature announcement of Studio 60’s demise.
Military intelligence: During a speech endorsing California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides at Pasadena City College yesterday, Sen. John Kerry encouraged students to work hard in school lest they “get stuck in Iraq.” White House press secretary Tony Snow called Kerry’s remarks “an absolute insult,” and Sen. John McCain said the former presidential candidate “owes an apology” to U.S. troops. Conservative bloggers go to town.
Neddy at the conservative Kerfuffles translates Kerry’s comments thusly: “Because you were lazy and dumb in school, you are now in Iraq. Oh, by the way, ‘thank you for your service’ and ‘we support the troops.’ Vote for us at the polls so we can bring you home.”

34. Steve Schwartz spews:

Marines … 3.7% with collige degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.

enuff said.

35. The Socialist spews:

Ghost to Ghost is just starting on kvi 570 am

It is the best ghost show on radio or tv. It is a true clasic .

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

36. Roger Rabbit spews:

Still looks bad for the righties! http://www.electoral-vote.com/ projects a 51-49 Republican Senate, but a 230-203 Democratic House — with no pickups in WA. GOP could end up under 200.

INVESTIGATIONS! SUBPOENAS! TRIALS! ORANGE JUMPSUITS! HAPPY HALLOWEEN TRAITORS!

37. The Socialist spews:

Happy Holloween

38. Roger Rabbit spews:

10

Roger Rabbit is stoopid. Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 10/31/06@ 6:13 pm

Yeah, but I’m only a fucking rabbit. What’s your excuse?

39. Roger Rabbit spews:

12

I have a better idea:

[X] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
[X] 2. Bumper chroming factory
[X] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
[X] 4. Wrecking yard
[X] 5. Dynamite factory
[X] 6. Government Pensioned Attorney

If you read I-933′s fine print you’ll notice there’s no exception for item (6).

40. Roger Rabbit spews:

13

“Anyone else tired of the tit for tat?” Commentby Heathen Sinner— 10/31/06@ 6:22 pm

Not really. I could kick wingnut butts until I die and never get bored! It’s better than sex.

42. Roger Rabbit spews:

2

Please post your address so I can buy investment property next to you. Please check the box below to indicate which type of development you prefer to live next door to.

[ ] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
[ ] 2. Bumper chroming factory
[ ] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
[ ] 4. Wrecking yard
[ ] 5. Dynamite factory

Thank you for supporting Initiative 933. Roger Rabbit Toxic Enterprises, JPSP.*

* Judgment Proof Sole Proprietorship

43. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

John FUcking Kerry – Poster child for what pisses people off about current day socialist democrats.

He just can’t quite conceal his contempt for ordinary people can he? No wonder he’s so popular here… an arrogant elitist asshole jerk of the first order.

All you guys supported him last time. Now what do you think of your boy?

44. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Hey Rabbit – Are you going to demand an apology from Kerry? Or are you a dumfuck like he says?

I’d really like to know…

45. sgmmac spews:

Robert,

There’s no hissy fit here. I’ve known for a long time what Kerry thinks of the military. He just reinforced it the other day with his remarks.

As for the spin that it was a joke about Bush. There’s no joke there and furthermore, Bush’s GPA in college was higher than Kerry’s! Neither were brilliant in school and if they got those grades studying hard, I’m scared of both of them.

46. JDB spews:

KKKlake at 48:

Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?
Why did Bush manipulate the intelligence and lie about WMDs?

47. headless lucy spews:

re 48: On what day was war declared and who voted for it? Answer me that. That fishy smell is your upper lip.

48. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

All Democrats are “Jane Fonda” traitors!!!!!!

49. Jeff spews:

Hey this interactive thing is pretty fun. You can mess around with your own predictions as to how the Senate, the House and the Governorships will end up. Check it out.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/washington/2006ELECTIONGUIDE.html?currentData

50. TheTruth2006 spews:

Darcy Burner is toast! Anyone of you leftwing nutroots wanna take odds on how bad she will lose? Not even Ron Simms “hidden ballot” bridgade can save Darcy or is it Marcy ( As Obama put it)?

Ain’t enough vote fraud in the world to save that broad!

51. TheTruth2006 spews:

Traitor Kerry was just showing his true colors. Once a traitor always a traitor.

52. Elizabeth Cheney spews:

I want an apology.

I want an apology from my mom and dad for only deciding to get pregnant with me so dad could get a 3-A final deferment from the draft.

Where’s my apology?

53. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Mooooooooooooooooooooooslim terrorists for Democrats!!!!! Communists for Democrats!!! “Guvment” union hacks for Democrats!!! Felons for Democrats!!!! Jesse “Shakedown” Jacksooooon for Democrats!!! Tookie “9 inch” Williams for Democrats!!!

54. klake spews:

But you silly fools have much more fun with comments out of context.
Commentby K— 10/31/06@ 7:04 pm
Miss K I beg to differ with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m one of those troops you are trying to speak for and I totality disagree with you. John Kerry means what he said right down to the last word and plans not to retract any one part of it. Today the military education is above the National Average and unlike those who served during his tour of duty. We do not take anyone who walks through the door, the standards are much higher. That is one of the reasons why the draft was banned. Plus it was easier to lead people who wanted to make a difference in this world.

55. Daddy Love spews:

153 sgmmac

56. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

Bush should apologize for 25,000 needless American casualties and 655,000 dead Iraqis — all to enrich himself and his cronies. We’re not going to go off message to respond to your BS. Your use of a slip of the tongue to dun a real American hero is the crime here. What pigs you are! Commentby headless lucy— 11/1/06@ 7:00 am

Please prove your bullshit from reputable MSM sources! Bullshit otherwise!

57. Robert spews:

sgmmac,

I know Limbaugh and Fox New’s talking heads won’t show it to you, but the group DOES laugh after Kerry screws up the joke. But it would be inconvenient to show the entire clip – that would screw up your hissy fit.

58. Michael Dutton Douglas spews:

I want an apology!

I want an apology from Harold and Jenna Welsh for giving the car keys to their drunk daughter Laura 43 years ago so she could go out and blow through a stop sign and kill me!

Where’s my fuckin’ apology!

59. Don Joe spews:

I guess that whole idea of trying to convince people that they’re really better off than they think they are wasn’t working as a political strategy. But you really do have to admire Republicans who are now chasing after ambiguous remarks from a Junior Senator from Massachusetts who isn’t even up for election all the while keeping Iraq in the forefront of voter’s minds.

Of course, why would I expect any better? One of these guys still doesn’t understand the basic concept of a fraction (all the while welching on his bet), and the other actually believes that terrorists will take over Iraq if our troops should come back home.

These guys are so bright, that, if they were night lights, we’d all have broken toes.

60. RightEqualsStupid spews:

I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers.

61. John Barelli spews:

Well, we may be seeing the “October surprise” that everyone expected. Unfortunately (for the Republicans) it’s pretty lame. Even Mr. Rove needs to have something to start with in order to work the big spin machine. Let’s see, they’re trying to call Mr. Webb a “pornographer” and misconstruing some comments by Mr. Kerry. It’s hard to imagine that Mr. Rove can’t do better than that, but we are in the last week prior to elections.

I guess they’re counting on Diebold to pull this election out of the fire for them. Either that, or they’re looking out at the economic horizon and have decided to hand the upcoming can of worms over to the Democrats, then try to blame us for the mess in 2008.

Mr. Kerry made a statement that could be considered insulting to our troops. I doubt that he meant it to be, but he should apologize anyway. That will make it even harder for Mr. Rove and his bunch to work it.

Oh, and just to update Roger’s post from yesterday, http://www.electoral-vote.com/ has slightly updated figures.

Unfortunately, WA-08 has gone back into the Republican column, but overall, the latest poll numbers give a 50-50 split in the Senate, and the projected House numbers are:

239 Democrats, 195 Republicans, and 1 so close even these folks won’t call it. (This outfit counts all “leaners” no matter how slight, so let’s not break out the bubbly just yet.)

Now, if we can manage to bring WA-08 back to the “D” column, and maybe even swing WA-05, we could really celebrate.

62. sgmmac spews:

Daddy,

I don’t know about the other services, but the Army has an OCS (Officer Candidate School) and a college degree isn’t a requirement to get into OCS. When you complete OCS, you are commissioned as an officer. You would be highly encouraged to complete a degree after that and most would if they wanted to stay competitive with their peers.

Warrant Officers in the Army also do not have to have a college degree. Most soldiers to include enlisted go to college at some time in their career. Enlisted soldiers get promotion points and get promoted faster with college……….

As for you saying that they are lowering their standards to meet their goals. Yes, they are. Whenever the Army needs people, they change standards. During the TET offensive in Vietnam they were drafting people who said they were gay. The guys had to PROVE they were gay to get out of going to Vietnam. The Army was also forced to retain at least one of them, because his enlistment paperwork said he was gay and years later they tried unsuccessfully to kick him out for being gay. The Army also changes their medical standards based on their need for soldiers. There were soldiers in my unit before the first Gulf war that were being discharged for overweight and some for misconduct whose discharges were stopped and they were sent to the Gulf, and immediately upon returning the overweight ones were again targeted for discharge.

63. Daddy Love spews:

I screwed up the quote:

“Everybody can help. You can all help. You don’t need papers for voting [pause] you don’t need to be a registered voter to help.”

64. Roger Rabbit spews:

38

klake’s comment is part and parcel of the horseshit the right has spewed about Kerry. According to them, Kerry lost the war all by himself. Next they’re gonna say Kerry was a North Vietnamese general. They’ve already doctored photos and falsely claimed he had an affair with an intern. Bunch of fucking liars. We oughta swiftboat all of ‘em — with a fifty.

65. Daddy Love spews:

It’s also no joke that ,a href=”http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/”>the military has had to lower its standards to allow lower achieving students and more recruits with criminal records to meet its recruiting goals. Because of Iraq.

66. JDB spews:

Chuck at 94:

Remember, John Kerry supports Cantvoewell and Cantvotewell supports Kerry (she asked him to come pollute our airways so she must support his views) who feels our military guys are less than smart or educated

Remember, Bush supports Mark Foley, and Foley supports mollesting under age boys, which means by your logic that Bush supports mollesting under age boys.

And since you apparenlty support the GOP, you must also support mollesting under age boys.

Why do you hate America so?

67. Another TJ spews:

self-admitted pedophile, Gerry Stubbs

Liar.

68. JDB spews:

Sean Hannity is an outspoken right-wing conservative political pundit on Fox News and the author of two books. The Eastern Lowland Gorilla is a subspecies of G. beringei that can be found in the forests of eastern Africa. Can you pick out the differences?

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2006/10/sean_hannity_or.html

69. Daddy Love spews:

So, JCH and jaybo, it’s “most” but not “all.” Who are the “complete ignoramuses” now? I swear, crack a fucking book sometime. You could learn something if you weren’t so hostile to the concept.

http://www.dod.gov/prhome/poprep97/html/overview.html
24th annual Department of Defense report on social representation in the U.S. Military Services

Given that most officers are required to possess at least a baccalaureate college degree upon or soon after commissioning and that a college education is part of the main commissioning sources (i.e., Service academies and ROTC), the academic standing of officers is not surprising. The fact that 92 and 98 percent (excluding those with unknown education credentials) among active duty officer accessions and officer corps, respectively, were degree holders (approximately 12 and 42 percent advanced degrees) is in keeping with policy and the professional status and expectations of officers. Likewise, 85 percent of Reserve Component officer accessions and 90 percent of the total Reserve Component officer corps held at least a B.S. or B.A. degree, with 25 and 32 percent possessing advanced degrees, respectively.

70. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

It all makes sense now. Thank you senator kerry.

JFK says military people are stoopid.

Roger Rabbit was in the military.

Therefore Roger Rabbit is stoopid.

And that’s why RR is a librul.

Thank you senator kerry. Thank you roger rabbit.

71. klake spews:

You know the difference between Jany Fonda and George Bush?
Fonda wasn’t afraid to go to Viet Nam!
Comment by RightEqualsStupid— 10/31/06@ 7:09 pm
RightEqualsStupid you are not the sharpest knife in the draw tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did your mommies tell you that Jane Fonda betrayed her country during the Viet Nam War along with John Kerry? Yes sir reeeeee Bob she exposed the messages that POW’s gave her to take home, she gave them to the North Vietnamese, and they paid a dear price for that mistake. You lover boy John Kerry went to Pairs and collaborated with the North Vietnamese delegation on how they could work together to end the War in their favor. Mr. Stupid not everyone got the privilege to go to Viet Nam or any place else during that same time period. Some of the draftees and volunteers were not allowed to go serve their country in a War zone. LBJ bless his soul did not call up the National Guard or allow them to join their fellow countrymen in that conflict. Unlike today the National Guard supports the regular units on the battle field by as much as 48% and in some career fields 80% because of downsizing and restructuring of the military.

72. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

“Marines … 3.7% with collige degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.”

Commentby Steve Schwartz [Mr. Schwartzstein, ALL military, and military Marine officers: 100% have “collige” degrees. Looks like John Kerry and Steve Schwartzbergloeb have a lot in commom. JCH [LT, USN, 77-84]]

73. sgmmac spews:

“you know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.”

Kerry wasn’t laughing – his audience wasn’t laughing – where is the joke?

Since his “campaigning” tour is now cancelled and he’s on his way home, it looks like the Democratic leadership isn’t laughing either. If the Democrats fail to take the house and the Senate, many Democrats will blame Kerry.

74. proud to be an Ass spews:

These wimpy conservative liars are just too much. Forget about Bush’s grandpappy playing footsies with the real nazies during WWII, forget about the alchoholic Sen. Joe McCarthy smearing innocent people, forget about the coup in Iran in ’54, forget the hauty mendacity of John Foster Dulles, forget about the millions killed by US bombs in Viet Nam as Nixon unleashed his “secret plan” to end the war, forget about Kissinger selling out the democratically elected government in Chile, forget Watergate, forget about Reagan trading with Khommeni to get elected in ’80, forget Iran-Contra and Salvadorean right wing death squads, forget the bumbling ineptitude of the Bush administration prior to 9\11 and it’s incredibly tragic “war on terror” since that day.

Yes, yes, yes, forget all this because John Kerry stepped on his well trodden tongue.

Well, this is one voter who will never forget. It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a repbulican, very cold indeed.

75. Rujax! spews:

Doesn’t BROADVIEW need a STRIP CLUB???(with a name like that, Ya think?)

How ’bout Medina! Clyde Hill!

I’ll call Frank, Jr. and we’ll get right ON that!!!!!

Hooo Boy…THIS is gonna be FUN!!!!

Look out BroadMOOR and Mad. Park! Don’t wanna forget YOU!

DownTOWN Redmond is a LITTLE DULL, doncha know.

York, York…we’re cummin’ after ya!

76. www.megabrad.com spews:

Check out the list of the most dangerous cities in the USA. 100% Democrat!! Not a Republican within miles!!! All gang, crime, and drug infested Democrat Hillary Village Shit Holes!!! And all vote 115% Democrat!! [Atlas has Shrugged]

Commentby JCH [Pennsylvania]— 11/1/06@ 9:17 am

Hahaha! Yeah, you got that right… It’s a pretty easy observation though. Liberals equal crime. Too easy.

77. klake spews:

McCain: Kerry Should Apologize

Bush: John Kerry’s Remarks ‘Insulting’
Sen. McCain: Kerry Should Apologize

Democratic U.S. Sen. John Kerry drew election-year fire from fellow Vietnam War veteran Sen. John McCain on Tuesday for saying college students could “get stuck in Iraq” if they do not study hard.

McCain, an Arizona Republican who has had an amicable relationship with Kerry, said Kerry “owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country’s call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education.

“Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

“They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night.
“Without them, we wouldn’t live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks.”

78. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

“Marines … 3.7% with “collige” degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.”

Commentby Steve Schwartz [Mr. Schwartzstein, ALL military, and military Marine officers: 100% have “collige” degrees. Looks like John "Fing" Kerry and Steve Schwartzbergloeb have a lot in common. Steve, are you a lawyer with Silverstein, Loeb, Lowenstein, Stein, and Rosenberg, ESQ?]

79. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

JCH says he love his country, he just hates any American that disagrees with him.

Commentby Robert [Robert, Do you miss "Tookie" Williams as much as he misses you?]

80. Francine Busby Loser CA-50 spews:

I don’t care who votes for Democrats – as long as they do. They’ll help save America from a bunch of crooked peds who rape boys and taxpayers. Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 11/1/06@ 9:04 am

To my illegal Mexican friends, you don’t need papers for voting.

81. Chuck spews:

Remember, John Kerry supports Cantvoewell and Cantvotewell supports Kerry (she asked him to come pollute our airways so she must support his views) who feels our military guys are less than smart or educated.

82. Daddy Love spews:

Did I forget Montana is probably a Democratic Senate pickup too?

Can you say 51-49?

83. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Mooooooooooooooooooooooslims and liberal Democrats: America’s enemies!!!!

84. Marcy, I mean Darcy spews:

John Kerry is just a wonderful man who wasn’t here to campaign for me. Oh, wait. Is that a good thing? I don’t know. Let me ask Dame Pelosi (as she prefers to be called).

I have lots of military experience, so I know what Kerry is talking about. Well, I never served myself, but I regularly sleep with a veteran, and I was born of a veteran. And I use my active-duty brother in my campaign. Wait, he disagrees with me. Never mind.

I also really liked that mailer the State party put together for me. That copyrighted picture of the soldier carrying the child – what a coup that they got permission for that! Wait, you mean they didn’t have permission? What idiot published an unauthorized picture in a flyer for me?

Never mind. Off to my next endeavor. Maybe today I will take up fly fishing! Wait, I’m still campaigning. Focus, focus. Just 6 more days, then I can go off on my next tangent.

85. GS spews:

And Oh I’d rather live next to all of the below:

[X] 1. Animal-sex pig farm
[X] 2. Bumper chroming factory
[X] 3. Outdoor music amphitheater
[X] 4. Wrecking yard
[X] 5. Dynamite factory

Than a Government Pensioned Attorney!

86. GBS spews:

JCH,

THE END IS NEAR!! Not the end of the world, but the end of the terrorist control of congress, AND, your posting on HA!

87. Heathen Sinner spews:

Bush Admin. says Kerry apology is right but late….now we have a President that has to tell us what is right and what is wrong (self righteous bastards)and the correct timing of an apology. What is timing of Preseident Bush’s apology? Hail Hitler!

88. Dan Rather-Whats the frequen spews:

82

Here here Clueless. I “mis-wrote” a story and it cost me my career. Why people take us so seriusly is beyond me. Courage clueless, courage.

89. Daddy Love spews:

153 sgmmac

The DoD document I quoted (39 Meg download) covers all service branches.

90. Roger Rabbit spews:

AMERICA NEEDS A $2.13 MINIMUM WAGE

That’s right, Roger Rabbit supports federal legislation authorizing a $2.13-an-hour minimum wage in certain circumstances. What’s more, I think this law should pre-empt state law, where it applies. The law shall provide as follows:

“Unpatriotic, America-hating, traitor organizations such as the BIAW are hereby authorized to employ people to post on popular political blogs; and may pay any such employee who can’t spell ‘to’ $2.13 an hour, notwithstanding any other federal or state law. This pay rate should not employ to anyone who does honest work for a living.”

91. Heathen Sinner spews:

Oh – and Jerry Falwell is my hero. He made the sweetest apology.

92. Heathen Sinner spews:

I am Republican – I lie, cheat and steal when I’m not being a hypocrit and family man. I don’t like liberals, but I want to liberate Iraq. Hail Hitler

93. Heathen Sinner spews:

HAIL HITLER!

94. treasonous pickle spews:

MTR you’re as stupid as Bush if you don’t recognize that Kerry was talking about Bush, not the troops.
Damn but how can you keep showing us how utterly stupid, vapid, and moronic you are? Not to mention a bet welsher.

95. RightEqualsStupid spews:

JCH is a coward who never served a day in the military and who will eventually be prosecuted for pretending to be a vet.

96. Daddy Love spews:

157 stedman

Hat’s not what Dean said. He said
“I hate Republicans and everything they stand for.”

Goddamn right. Especially NOW. Because of Iraq.

97. Daddy Love spews:

Yeah, a Vietnam veteran who headed a veteran’s organization and is a persistent administration critic was criticizing the troops and not the administration. Uh-huh.

What a ridiculous claim. Gee, it couldn’t have anything to do with the disastrous Republican outlook in next weeks election, now, could it? I mean, Republicans wouldn’t be so craven as to sieze upon a slip of the tongue to unfairly lambaste an opponent solely for public relations, would they?

98. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Attention all FELONS!!! You may not vote!! Parole Officers will be at EVERY poll to “run you” and take away your weapons!!! Sorry, Democrats!!!!

99. DemocratFor Life spews:

I was feeling so upbeat & confident.
Then John Kerry takes the wind out of my sails.
I cannot believe it.
Talk about the ultimate soundbite for the Bushy’s!
John Kerry is a nincompoop.
Then he makes it even worse by making up some farfetched excuse for his silly comment.
Kerry makes it hard to be a Democrat.
If we don’t take control of Congress…the blame falls right on Kerry’s shoulders….and his Presidential aspirations are toast.
This is very depressing.

100. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Steve Schwartz, Your military service? Yeah, I though so………About the same a Bill Clinton’s and Goldysteins’……….

101. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Pick out the one that is different than the others: 1. Daddy Love 2. GBS 3. JDB 4. Americans who love their country

102. Robert spews:

Right Wing Math:

Kerry bungled a joke = Bush bungled a war. (Amongst other things)

Kerry’s tours in Viet Nam = Bush “serving” in Alabama.

Yep, Even Steven!

103. Daddy Love spews:

The Air Force is seeking a huge “emergency” budget increase — $50 billion.

Why? Because the Bush administration has no idea what it’s doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The budget process is out of control. They’re going to ram through a huge “emergency” military budget during the lame duck session of Congress in November — before the democrats take over — in order to avoid oversight and scrutiny.

Your tax dollars at work.

“I’m Dave Reichert, and I approved these ‘emergency’ military appropriations just before I lost my seat.”

104. K spews:

As, I said, read the entire statement, not what Tony Snow had to say about it.

Clearly you cannot read. Cut and paste, yes. Read and understand, clearly no.

Enough of my time wasted on klake, the poor silly fool.

105. Roger Rabbit spews:

I used to fire fifties. They’re cool. 750-grain slug goes right through a concrete wall.

106. Daddy Love spews:

Because of Iraq:
- Osama bin laden is still a threat
- Our military is spread too thin
- There are more terrorists in the world
- America is less secure

So if you see commercials or hear people telling you to be afraid because of terrorism, just remember: it’s because of Iraq.

107. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

COUNT EVERY [MILITARY] VOTE!!!!! Sorry, Dems, illegal aliens and felons may not vote!!!!!!!!!!! [Hey Illegals!!! Border Patrol and the Minute Men will be at EVERY poll to deport you back to Mexico!!!!!]

108. jaybo spews:

Daddy Love @ 149,

“If true (and you offer no support), so what? Who said they weren’t?”

You have to be a complete ignoramous to not know that!

LOL

109. klake spews:

John Kerry: U.S. Soldiers Not ‘Smart’

Bush: John Kerry’s Remarks ‘Insulting’

Sen. Kerry: ‘I Apologize to No One’

Sen. John Kerry has sparked outrage by suggesting that U.S. troops in Iraq are uneducated and not “smart.”

At a campaign event for California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides at Pasadena City College on Monday, the Massachusetts Democrat and Vietnam veteran said: “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

Kerry’s troop-bashing remarks belie the truth about the educational level of U.S. troops. According to figures readily available on the Internet, 99.9 percent of the enlisted forces have at least a high school education, 73.3 percent have some college, 16.2 percent have an associate’s degree or equivalent semester hours, and 4.7 have a bachelor’s degree.

What’s more, over 85 percent of field grade officers have advanced degrees – 70.7 percent have master’s degrees, 12.1 percent have professional degrees and 2.5 percent have doctorate degrees.

“Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who’ve given their lives in this,” White House press secretary Tony Snow said regarding Kerry’s remarks.

“This is an absolute insult.”

110. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Thank you, John “Marry The Rich Bitch” Kerry!!!! [Remember the Kerrys pay Federal taxes are the 12% MTR!!!! Hehe, JCH Kennedy, ESQ]

111. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

I wonder how many military ballots will be thrown out by liberal voting districts this year? It will probably be more than the usual 25% they throw out. Democrats cheat.

112. GS spews:

The big reason for I933 is the far overreaching CAO which is stealing land without an compensation whatsoever. That is why I and my neighbors are voting for I933.

Pull the CAO and we’ll Pull I933.

113. Heathen Sinner spews:

Anyone else tired of the tit for tat? If your not your dumber than a rock. Bush wants an apology from one of 300 million people in this country for saying a stupid ass comment – all for political gain. Has he forgot about Mark Foley (as his daddy would say “not going to go there”)and his escapades, doesn’t Bush owe us an apology for how his government is being run, where does the buck stop…..That’s why this country is so great, every fucking moron can say something, and thats exactly what we got – 300 fucking million morons. You did this, he did that – Fucking Grow up and own up to your own responsibilities for once. Hail Hitler.

114. RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy spews:

Considering that military is pissed off at the Whitehouse for leaving them out in the cold, the red districts are the one to watch for that. But then, Reds have long been the ones losing people’s votes.

Commentby Michael Caine— 10/31/06@ 5:47 pm

At 9 to 1 for Republican the blue districts have the most to gain by not counting military ballots which unfortunately is a common practice. Every republican should be giving John Kerry a pat on the back. hehehe

115. K spews:

Poor, silly Klake, babbling again.

116. Random Vietnam Casualty spews:

I want an apology!

I want an apology from President Bush for being too cowardly back in ’68 to do his duty proper but instead gettin his pops to pull strings so he could duck into the Air Guard and avoid The Nam. I want an apology from that fuckin’ Cod Piece wearin’ coward for makin’ me go in his place.

Where’s my damn apology?

117. For the Clueless spews:

Klake played too much army with his helmet off.

118. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Pick out the Republican voter: 1. “guvment” union hack 2. welfare hack 3. Moooooooooooslim terrorist 4. private sector taxpayer

119. headless lucy spews:

Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty Propitty

120. Random Vietnam Casualty spews:

I want an apology!

I want an apology from Vice-Fascist Cheney for applying for draft deferments five times because he had “more important things to do”, and making me go die in his place.

Where’s my apology?

121. klake spews:

Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?
Folks why did John Kerry voted for the Iraq War?

122. Doctor Maf54 Kennedy Esq. spews:

Just think, we have Hannity and Limbaugh spinning and lying as fast as they can, and we are still getting our asses licked (and stop fantasizing JCH) [hehe]. First we tried attacking Michael J. Fox, and that didn’t work. Now we are stuck with John Kerry, but that isn’t working. If only we could get pictures of Jimmy Carter having sex with a fourteen year old boy (I told you JCH). Maybe then we would have a chance.[he he]

123. headless lucy spews:

re 48: Because the Bush administration lied to them about WMD’s. And Congress NEVER did authorize a war. Bush was authorized to go after bin Laden and he was given 90 days to do it. The rest of it has been illegal dictatorial bullshit. You neo-cons are traitorous bastards and I’ll piss on your grave before this is all through.

124. Heathen Sinner spews:

Hey klake – how is Bush doing on running this country into the ground? I think he has reached the center core of the earth. You cheating fuck.

125. Harry Whittington spews:

I want an apology!

I want a public apology from Vice President “Sure-Shot” for fillin’ me so full of bird-shot I almost died. And then making me apologize to him!

Where’s my damn apology?!

126. stedman spews:

“I hate Republicans.” Howard Dean

127. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

Jose Padilla may not be Mother Teresa, but remember, he’s a U.S. citizen with constitutional rights who hasn’t been convicted of anything. That makes him innocent until proven guilty. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/1/06@ 1:37 am

Wow, Furball supports Jose Padilla Innocent before being Guilty, but has already convicted Tom DeLay.

Some scumbag trying to diss his country and Furball likes him. Moonbat all the way!

128. Janet S spews:

Bush does not supported Foley, now that it is known that he is a bit creepy. The Republican Party accepted his resignation, and he is gone. So the analogy that JDB uses at 153 is just a flat out lie.

But Ted Kennedy thinks that the self-admitted pedophile, Gerry Stubbs, was a great guy, even if he did like young boys. Of course, Teddy killed a young woman, so I guess Stubbs looks pretty good.

130. JDB spews:

In the final full month before Election 2006, the number of people identifying themselves as Republicans has fallen to its lowest level since we began reporting this measure of partisan trends in January 2004. As a result, Democrats have their biggest net advantage of the past two campaign cycles.

In October, just 31.5% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s a startling decline of nearly six percentage points from 37.2% two years ago. It’s also down nearly a full point from last month.

Democrats have also lost a little ground since October 2004. Today, 37.7% identify themselves as Democrats, down a point from 38.7% on the eve of Election 2004.

However, Democrats now have a 6.2 percentage point advantage over the GOP, their largest recorded over the past 34 months. In October 2004, the Democrats advantage was a miniscule 1.5 percentage points.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/October%20Dailies/OctoberPartyAffiliationTrends.htm

And that’s from a Republican leaning firm. No wonder it looks so bad for the GOP in November.

131. GS spews:

Yes a Great Big thank you to Senator Kerry for opening his flap trap again.

132. Maf54 [Florida] spews:

JCH at 100:

I know the difference, it’s you. The rest are normal, american loving people, while you like being fucked up the ass for money while calling the person “Tookie.” And then Atlas’ shrugs all over your bare ass. [hehe]

That was easy.

And does anyone still believe that you were in the Navy? I mean, I know you like dressing up when you give blow jobs, but that doesn’t make you a member of our arm forces. I mean, you like young boys, but that doesn’t make you a Republican Congressman.

133. JDB spews:

Lies2006 at 88:

Yeah, damn those traitors who get three purple hearts surving their country.

I would hate to see what you think about someone like Dick Cheney that had “better things to do” than serve his country in Viet Nam.

134. JDB spews:

correction: serving, not surving. I apparently can not type this late at night.

135. Roger Rabbit spews:

Jose Padilla may not be Mother Teresa, but remember, he’s a U.S. citizen with constitutional rights who hasn’t been convicted of anything. That makes him innocent until proven guilty.

136. Roger Rabbit spews:

And these guys wonder why we call them “Nazis.” Because they behave like Nazis. Du-uh.

137. ChimpPatrol spews:

Mark the Needle Dicked Welsher @ 15, Kerry would have been a fvck of a lot better than the current POS

138. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

“lowered its stanrards”

Commentby Daddy Love [Daddy Love, "stanrards"????? Classic dumb ass liberal commie lib Democrat]

139. Tammy Duckworth spews:

Bush wants an appology?
That’s rich!

I wan’t an appology!

I wan’t an appology from President Bush for leaving both my legs in a pile of burning Black Hawk wreckage just so Republicans could distract voters long enough to deregulate the energy industry, deregulate the telecom and media industry and push through huge tax cuts for their wealthy pals.

140. Roger Rabbit spews:

LAWYERS CLAIM PADILLA DRUGGED, TORTURED

“WASHINGTON (Nov. 1) – Attorneys for Jose Padilla make some explosive new allegations in recent court filings, claiming the so-called ‘dirty bomber’ was tortured and given psychedelic drugs — such as PCP and LSD — while the U.S. military held him as an enemy combatant.”

This story is quoted under the Fair Use doctrine; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/padilla-claims-military-gave-him-lsd/20061031232309990001

141. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Check out the list of the most dangerous cities in the USA. 100% Democrat!! Not a Republican within miles!!! All gang, crime, and drug infested Democrat Hillary Village Shit Holes!!! And all vote 115% Democrat!! [Atlas has Shrugged]

142. Roger Rabbit spews:

James Webb is now ahead of George Allen by more than the margin of error in the latest polls. Way to smack ‘em down George! Why don’t you beat up a couple old ladies today? Why lose by only 4 points when you can go for complete, utter, total humiliation!!!

143. headless lucy spews:

re 53: Read your stuff out loud to yourself and you will realize why you are headed for the dustbin of history.

It’s crazy and it’s mean. It’s not “manly”. It’s just some wuss pissing in the wind — and that wuss is you.

Wipe that PUSS off your face this instant! The fishy smell is on your upper lip.

144. headless lucy spews:

Somethin’ smells FISHY around here! And I think it’s on those neo-cons’ upper lip!

145. Robert spews:

Remember this classic from the Correspondent’s dinner in 2004?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3570845.stm

One pictured Mr. Bush looking under a piece of furniture in the Oval Office, at which the president remarked: “Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere.”

After another one, showing him scouring the corner of a room, Mr. Bush said: “No, no weapons over there,” he said.

And as a third picture, this time showing him leaning over, appeared on the screen the president was heard to say: “Maybe under here?”

Now exactly who is supposed to apologize?

146. Daddy Love spews:

145 sgmmac

I guess jaybo just called you a complete ignoramus.

143 jaybo

sgmmac disagrees with you. I haven’t investigated yet. You offer no support either.

147. Robert spews:

So a candidate who isn’t even running in this election (Kerry) cancelled two events. BFD. How about the dozens of GOP Candidates that don’t want the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, or the Speaker of the House to show up anywhere in their STATE? How about the GOP Candidates who hide the name “Republican” or “GOP” on their websites or their signs?

148. www.megabrad.com spews:

Dumbass award goes to;
#121

Wait a gol’ Darn minute! Isn’t what Kerry said (and I copy and paste from above)

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” ?

Why do we assume this is an insult to the military? He’s obviously talking about the electorate.

We didn’t do our homework. Twice. Now we’re stuck in Iraq.

Commentby Poster Child— 11/1/06@ 8:55 am

If Kerry the Ferry was talking about the “electorate”, you dumbass, then WHY DIDN’T HE SAY THAT?

You dumbass.
Here’s your award.

149. vancouver sucks spews:

#1 Loving it! Guess the GOP didn’t reckon on “Hate Fatigue”

150. Daddy Love spews:

Military Fatalities: By Month
Period October 2006
US 104

Third highest monthly death toll, but this time with no major operations. Baghdad is averaging a new low of 2.4 hours of electricity a day, and they blame Americans. Insurgents are carrying American-mde weapons. Families are still having bake sales to buy body armor for their loved ones.

But John Kerry doesn’t support the troops. Riiiight.

151. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

We have 11,000 lawyers standing by in case you traitors on the right try your usual hijinks at the polls.

Commentby RightEqualsStupid [...........................................WE have 10,000 Border Patrol and MinuteMen standing by to deport illegal Democrat voters back to Mexico!!!!! Hey Democrat!!! Felons and illegals MAY NOT VOTE!!!!!!!!! Where's your PITURE ID???????]

152. Daddy Love spews:

145 JCH

All militay officers are college grads.
If true (and you offer no support), so what? Who said they weren’t? The military lowered its stanrards to meet recuitment goals. All they want is fresh meat for Iraq anyway. How educated do they have to be?

All Democrats are “Jane Fonda” traitors.
Fuck you too.

153. RightEqualsStupid spews:

It’s impossible to insult George Bush enough. I say BRING IT ON!

GOP trails in all polls. We don’t offer an apology to traitors.

154. headless lucy spews:

Bush should apologize for 25,000 needless American casualties and 655,000 dead Iraqis — all to enrich himself and his cronies. We’re not going to go off message to respond to your BS.

Your use of a slip of the tongue to dun a real American hero is the crime here. What pigs you are!

155. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Attention all 25 million illegal aliens: YOU MAY NOT VOTE!! Border Patrol and the Minutemen will be all EVERY poll to ship you ass back to Mexico!!!

156. Michael Caine spews:

Considering that military is pissed off at the Whitehouse for leaving them out in the cold, the red districts are the one to watch for that. But then, Reds have long been the ones losing people’s votes.

157. Bobby \"Mac\" spews:

“You lover boy John Kerry went to Pairs and collaborated with the North Vietnamese delegation on how they could work together to end the War in their favor.”
Commentby klake— 10/31/06@ 7:37 pm

Holy shit! You are amazingly stupid!
It’s their fuckin’ country Klake. THEIR COUNTRY!
Just exactly who’s favor should the war have ended in?
Nixon’s?
Dow Chemical’s?
Mine?
Face it, moron. Ending that piece of shit was in everyone’s favor, and the sooner the better.
Samey, same Iraq.

Sure, now go off on some wierd FR driven rant about the numbers of refugees, or dead after Hanoi gained control. But don’t forget to do a thorough job on your research (as if). Don’t forget to compare those numbers to before the U.S. pullout.

158. Daddy Love spews:

6 RUFUS

Republicans whine.

159. Aaron spews:

Commentby Chuck— 11/1/06@ 5:54 am

You are either not paying attention, don’t care about the truth, or are just plain stupid.

Kerry wasn’t referencing “our military guys” (nor our gals), he was referencing dubya, the. worst. president. ever.

My guess is the second, you don’t care about the truth. That would be consistent with the rest of the right wing soon-to-be-former power brokers that current hold sway (for six more days).

160. Daddy Love spews:

If you don’t like what John Kerry said, don’t vote for him.

161. Daddy Love spews:

35 klake

2 comments:

1. Yeah, oil isn’t $80 a barrel anymore. It’s $60 a barrel. Fantastic, huh?

2. So if we have a global recession, demand for oil will drop. I’m looking forward to that!

162. Observer spews:

Spin, spin, spin, John kerry give you moonbat idiots so many opportunities… The gift that keeps on giving.

You will all re-live your self-induced agony next week as you are proven again to just be a bunch of drunken irrelevant fools. Oops, I mean horses’ asses.

163. klake spews:

Roger what you are saying is that a Socialist Democrat is above the law and allowed to violate any law as long as it justifies the means. Rep. Jimmy McDermott can do whatever he wants but it’s not OK for a Republican or Libertarian party member to commit the same sin. Yep right out of the Church of Liberalism play book and its ok for the Socialist Democrats to be a NIMBY. Now Roger who pays the price for these bad decisions? You bet the Taxpaying public and the Socialist Democrats continually run this State and Nation into the ground. Yahoo Roger and his friends can violate any law, get away it, and you John P public will pay their fines.

http://www.theolympian.com/377/story/48327.html
Appeals court hears McDermott taped-call dispute

By MATTHEW DALY, The Associated Press
WASHINGTON – A lawyer for Rep. Jim McDermott told a federal appeals court Tuesday that McDermott should not be punished for turning over an illegally taped telephone call to reporters a decade ago.

Lawyers for 18 news organizations — including ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, The Associated Press, The New York Times and The Washington Post — have filed a brief backing McDermott, who gave reporters access to a recording of a 1996 call involving then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled against McDermott in March. The 2-1 opinion upheld a lower court ruling that McDermott had violated the rights of Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, who was heard on the 1996 call. Boehner was then a Gingrich lieutenant and is now House majority leader.
The full nine-member appeals court vacated the ruling this spring and heard new arguments in the case on Tuesday. A ruling is expected next year.
Boehner’s lawyer, Michael Carvin, told the court that McDermott’s actions were clearly illegal. He compared McDermott to a “fence” who received stolen goods and then sold them.

164. Another TJ spews:

If someone makes a joke about your stupidity and you’re too stupid to recognize the joke is about you, you’ve just confirmed the basis of the joke.

165. jaybo spews:

Breaking News:
Ford asks Kerry to apologize
Wednesday, November 01, 2006, at 9:41 a.m.

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By Andy Sher
Nashville Bureau

MEMPHIS — Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr. issued a statement this morning calling on U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., to apologize for comments that Republicans including President Bush contend disparage U.S. troops in Iraq.

“Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said,” Rep. Ford said. “He needs to apologize to our troops.”

166. jaybo spews:

Wednesday, Nov. 1, 2006 11:21 a.m. EST
Ford, Tester, Cardin Want Kerry Apology
A few Democratic candidates joined Republicans Wednesday in pressing John Kerry to apologize for a comment critics said appeared disrespectful of U.S. troops as several Kerry campaign appearances were canceled.
“Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said,” said Democratic Rep. Harold Ford Jr., running for Senate in Tennessee.
“Sen. Kerry’s remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid,” said Montana Senate President Jon Tester, a Democrat trying to unseat GOP Sen. Conrad Burns. “He owes our troops and their families an apology.”
“I’m sorry he did what he did. But I think the issue . . . we want to make sure it doesn’t confuse the subject of the war in Iraq,” Democratic Rep. Ben Cardin, running for Senate in Maryland, said on CNN.

167. sgmmac spews:

all military officers are NOT college grads………..

168. Anonymous spews:

“Marines … 3.7% with collige degrees or some college.
The UW …. 57%.”

Commentby Steve Schwartz [Mr. Schwartzstein, ALL military, and military Marine officers: 100% have "collige" degrees. Looks like John Kerry and Steve Schwartzbergloeb have a lot in commom. JCH [LT, USN, 77-84]]

169. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Klake – don’t be an idiot. The reason gas prices are down has nothing to do with the invisible hand or OPEC or what some fucking raghead oil minister has to say.

Don’t you remember last summer when the 99th most influential senator from the great Feminist Utopia of Warshington was threatening hearings about “gouging”. Big Oil saw what she was doing and said “holy shit, we better drop prices RIGHT FUCKING NOW”. And they did.

Problem solved. Right?

170. Heathen Sinner spews:

Mark, you fucking Redneck, go park your trailer somewhere else!

171. K spews:

It’s more fun to argue when you ignore actual content. It is clear if you read his entire remarks Kerry was talking about Bush being stuck in Iraq, not the uniformed troops. Granted not spoken most articulately, but the intent was clear.

But you silly fools have much more fun with comments out of context.

172. RightEqualsStupid spews:

You know the difference between Jany Fonda and George Bush?

Fonda wasn’t afraid to go to Viet Nam!

173. RightEqualsStupid spews:

That worthless cum-drunk cunt Laura Bush joined LimpDick Limbaugh today in making fun of Michael J Fox. Man these people have no shame – no morals – no value.

I hope with all my heart that the Bush Twins come down with the same illeness and then shake themselves to death in front of Laura so she can remember the bad Karma she bought by attacking a guy who’s only crime is he wants to find a cure for his illness.

What shameless, worthless crap these right wing cowards have for brains. God I hate them all.

174. Daddy Love spews:

It’s NO FUCKING JOKE.

What a goddamn stupid idea [the invasion and occupation of Iraq] was, and is. The 107 rationales offered to support it were all utterly demented, either because they were immoral, unachievable in any real universe, based on fever dreams, or all of these together. The administration decided to pretend that the irrational was rational, and the Wise pundits nodded sagely, and the nation’s foreign policy was duly and with great pomp & solemnity flushed straight into the shitter under a banner reading “Mission Accomplished.” And we’re supposed to pretend that this was all just some “oopsie,” that the willing propagandists of this debacle were and are just doing the equivalent of debating the relative merits of differing proposals for the motherfucking capital gains tax? People are fucking dead. A lot of people.

by Goldy, 10/30/2006, 8:33 AM


Courtesy of SNL, via Crooks and Liars

46 Responses to “Open thread”

1. Richard Pope spews:

Goldy — have you seen TODAY’S Seattle Times editorial?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsopinion/2003327020_tvwed30.html

They are denouncing Darcy Burner because the Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) used a few seconds of TVW footage (from a Reichert speech to the Mainstream Republicans earlier this year) in an ad attacking Dave Reichert. They say that this violated TVW’s copyright.

Clearly, this has got to be “fair use” under the copyright laws. Just because the copyright holder says you can’t use their material at all for any purpose doesn’t mean that “fair use” of a limited portion is prohibited.

2. For the Clueless spews:

New York Post endorsed HILLARY CLINTON

Anonymous ASS will love that!

3. For the Clueless spews:

ASS – let that hate out. You’ve held too much in over the years.

4. Anonymous spews:

The truth hurts doesn’t it assholes?

Yes, it hurts AMERICA.

But you AMERICA HATERS don’t give a rip.

Bitch BOO!

5. Proud to be an Ass spews:

Cougars win!

Republicans lose!

Paradise.

6. Daddy Love spews:

Hmmm, the thin lost my name. I posted 37 and 38.

7. Daddy Love spews:

6 Anonymous

I say we should cut and run, all right.

We should CUT our losses in Iraq and RUN the government honestly for once.

8. JCH [Pennsylvania] spews:

Check out the list of the most dangerous cities in the USA. 100% Democrat!! Not a Republican within miles!!! All gang, crime, and drug infested Democrat Hillary Villiage Shit Holes!!! And all vote 115% Democrat!! [Atlas has Shrugged]

9. rhp6033 spews:

George Will didn’t have very nice things to say about Rumsfield in his recent Newseek column. I certainly don’t agree with George Will a lot of the time, but I do respect that (a) he uses logic and reason in his arguments, (b) is obviously intelligent, and (c) is willing to reverse course when he realizes his previous positions were in error.

So he starts his column by saying the following:

Nov. 6, 2006 issue – Many months ago it became obvious to all but the most ideologically blinkered that America is losing the war launched to deal with a chimeric problem (an arsenal of WMD) and to achieve a delusory goal (a democracy that would inspire emulation, transforming the region). Last week the president retired his mantra “stay the course” because it does not do justice to the nimbleness and subtlety of U.S. tactics for winning the war.

A surreal and ultimately disgusting facet of the Iraq fiasco is the lag between when a fact becomes obvious and when the fiasco’s architects acknowledge that fact. Iraq’s civil war has been raging for more than a year; so has the Washington debate about whether it is what it is.

In a recent interview with Vice President Cheney, Time magazine asked, “If you had to take back any one thing you’d said about Iraq, what would it be?” Selecting from what one hopes is a very long list, Cheney replied: “I thought that the elections that we went through in ’05 would have had a bigger impact on the level of violence than they have … I thought we were over the hump in terms of violence. I think that was premature.”

He thinks so? Clearly, and weirdly, he implies that the elections had some positive impact on the level of violence. Worse, in the full transcript of the interview posted online he said the big impact he expected from the elections “hasn’t happened yet.” “Yet”? Doggedness can be admirable, but this is clinical.

Anyway, what Cheney actually said 17 months ago was that the insurgency was in its “last throes.” That was much stronger than saying we were “over the hump” regarding violence. Beware of people who misquote themselves while purporting to display candor…..

The remainder of the article is worth reading in its entirety:

Source….http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15460708/site/newsweek/

Things are getting pretty bad for the Republican administration when George Will thinks you are exhibiting ostrich-like tendencies.

Of course, I got a kick out of that last line quoted above – it reminded me too much of Mike McGavick.

10. Daddy Love spews:

14 JDB

So Mike! might get over 40% after all.

11. rhp6033 spews:

RR: How about a pig farm? That wouldn’t cause permanant harm to the environment, but would make it mighty unpleasant “aroma” for Blethan to come home to.

12. Roger Rabbit spews:

31

I see in today’s news that Ruport Murdoch and his New York Post endorsed HILLARY CLINTON for re-election to U.S. Senate. Eat shit, trollfuck traitor!

13. Anonymous spews:

Do it for the “CHILDREN”!

14. health insurance plan auto accident insurance claim spews:

defenestrate largely enticed Salvador plaits repealing flirting

15. Eph.6.14 spews:

I see the Cedar Park, Fuiten issue finally went to the next level. Front page of the Everett Herald this morning.

16. Goldy spews:

Richard @2,

Yeah, I’m writing on it now. Not only is this absolutely, positively fair use, but the Burner campaign is barred by law from coordinating with the DCCC. Either the Times editorial writers are a bunch of idiots, or they’re simply being disingenuous. I’m guessing the latter.

But also, as I’ve written before, the clip is in fact taken entirely in context. That is how his fellow Republicans in the audience understood it.

I’m guessing this is another Kate Riley hack job. It’s embarassing.

18. proud leftist spews:

Anonymous
Do you hate all women? I’m confident they’re not terribly fond of you, given how bitter and delusional you are. Being a macho-wannabe, pounding your chest and telling us all how tough you are, is really no way enter adulthood, my son. Cast aside your venom, embrace reality, grow up.

19. Anonymous spews:

The death of LIBERALISM… may you rot in your own hell

Here are the top 25 daily newspapers in the U.S. by circulation (with percent change) for the six-month period ending September 2006.

1. USA Today: 2,269509, (-1.3%)
2. The Wall Street Journal: 2,043235, (-1.9%)
3. The New York Times: 1,086,798, (-3.5%)
4. Los Angeles Times: 775,766, (-8.0%)

20. JDB spews:

More bad news for the wingnuts:

With her new lead over Republican Mike McGavick of 52% to 41% (see crosstabs), Democratic Senator Maria Cantwell again enjoys the support she had in early September. She leads 54% to 42% when leaners are added to the tallies.

On September 6, right after McGavick made public an old drunk driving incident, a Rasmussen Reports poll showed his support sliding to 35%. He rebounded to the low 40s later in the month. But he hasn’t been able to climb further.

We are shifting this state from “Leans Democrat” to “Democrat” in our Senate Balance of Power summary. While Cantwell no longer has the seventeen-point advantage she enjoyed right after McGavick’s preemptive confession, the trend is in her favor.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/October%202006/WashingtonSenate.htm

22. Anonymous spews:

You got that right. After watching Lynne Cheney on CNN this weekend, it became clear that one reason that Dick Cheney’s nastiness has so visibly increased over the past couple decades is that he is married to the heart of darkness. Lord, that “woman” is detestable. I’ll bet old Dickless hasn’t boinked that creature (nor has he probably wanted to) since their last child was conceived. A couple decades of a sexless marriage makes a man lonesome, orn’ry, and mean, as the late, great Waylon Jennings would say.

Commentby proud leftist— 10/30/06@ 12:04 pm

God, you truly are FILTH.

How about getting “boinked” by this creature?

Or bitch?

How about your favorite fat DUH!?

Or this scary bitch?

23. Daddy Love spews:

23 rhp6033

I can understand. It’s been a long time since Dick Cheney was close to anything resembling a hump.

24. Daddy Love spews:

17 Mike

Because Mike! helped run a campaign once. I know it doesn’t make sense.

25. Anonymous spews:

Vote ASSES

26. JDB spews:

Anonymous and the other wingnuts:

How is Bush’s plan working in Iraq? You might want to know the truth before you vote:

Burials at Arlington National Cemetery took on a grim regularity in October, when at least 103 American troops were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Iraq, the toll had reached 99 by Saturday, making October the deadliest month since January 2005.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/us/30arlingtonblurb.html?ex=1162875600&en=430085ff772a7512&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY

Note, that number is now over 100 dead in Iraq this month.

But, heck, its about 1200 days since “Mission Accomplished.”

No wonder not a single Republican is running on their record.

27. Daddy Love spews:

It’s about 35 degrees outside and all yew-all Democrats think it’s global warming! Haw haw haw!

I don’t care how many tons of carbon di-oxy-contin is going into the air, it’s cold outside dammit, and that proves everything I can understand!

“I’m Dave Reichert, and I approved this message.”

28. Daddy Love spews:

Why would anyone think that any organization that is interested in exploiting Muslim resentment of the US for their own purposes would want Republicans to lose?

29. RightEqualsStupid spews:

If America really wants these pedophile, crooked, draft-dodging, traitors in the GOP to run the country then I certainly do hate America.

30. JDB spews:

The White House is getting ready for a Democratic take over of congress:

Spotted on 10/19, by an eagle-eyed Wonkette reader: The Mid-Atlantic Shredding Services truck making its way up to the Cheney compound at the Naval Observatory.

. . .

You better get crackin’, Dick — that evidence won’t destroy itself!

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/dick-cheney/shreddin-with-dick-211028.php

32. proud leftist spews:

Anonymous
Aren’t delusions fun? Delusions are way better than reality. The pretend world let’s us picture our president as a smart and courageous leader, ignore the economic time bomb that our deficit and uncontrolled spending poses to us, and hang on to our notions about how our outdated ideology will continue to shape our nation and world. Stay in dreamland, buddy. Waking from your reactionary dreaming could be really depressing.

33. Mike Barer spews:

I can’t help noticing that anonomous will not sign his name. Can’t say that I blame him.
Proud leftist. Grow up!

34. MtRainier spews:

Anonymous, 8 more days until the honest party regains at least 1 chamber. How will it feel for your GOP (gang of pendejos) to be remembered as ‘just a comma” (or will it be “just a pimple)? RIP GOP

35. JDB spews:

Bush and the Republicans continue to ignore science:

A senior Bush political appointee at the Interior Department has rejected staff scientists’ recommendations to protect imperiled animals and plants under the Endangered Species Act at least six times in the past three years, documents show.

In addition, staff complaints that their scientific findings were frequently overruled or disparaged at the behest of landowners or industry have led the agency’s inspector general to look into the role of Julie MacDonald, who has been deputy assistant secretary of the interior for fish and wildlife and parks since 2004, in decisions on protecting endangered species.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/29/AR2006102900776.html?referrer=email

36. stedman spews:

…And the Reichert ad saying Burner wants to raise “your” SS taxes. That’s deliberately misleading. Raising the cap on SS higher than the $90,000 a year mark is not the same as raising everybodies’ SS tax> It’s SOP. It was done under Reagan, under grown-up Bush, and under Clinton. Mournfully intoning that Darcy Burner wants to raise “your” taxes is an egregious lie.

And I don’t even know what egregious means, but Oprah said it was a good word to use.

37. Heathen Sinner spews:

I am a Republican – I lie, cheat and steal. An am one big cry baby hypocrit. Boo Hoo Hoo – I have to pay taxes, let me cheat instead. Hail Hitler.

38. John Barelli spews:

(Yes, I know that the numbers above are well within the margin of error, but it sure does feel good to be on the upper end of that margin for a change.)

39. Anonymous spews:

34 Anon

I’m a cut and run Democrat, all right. I want us to CUT our losses in Iraq and RUN over to Pakistan, kick Musharraf’s ass and cature Osama bin Laden once and for fucking all.

40. Anonymous spews:

36 Mike et. al.

Curent thought is that Anonymous is the former HowcanyoubeproudtobeanASS, who represented as female.

41. Mike Barer spews:

I have written to Kate, I’ll send the letter your way. She wants Darcy running against Doc. Apparently Right Wingers are out of place in Yakima but not in Bellevue.
Why is Darcy getting ripped for no public service when Mike McGavick’s service has been totally in the private sector?

42. Roger Rabbit spews:

Has Frank Blethen endorsed I-933? If he does, I’m gonna buy property next door to his house, build a bumper chroming plant there, and hire an Indian tribe to run it.

43. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Man there can be nothing worse for America than to have this fucking inbred idiot Bush representing our country. I am so ashamed that I want to vomit. I can’t WAIT for the day this traitor is out of office.

44. proud leftist spews:

26
You got that right. After watching Lynne Cheney on CNN this weekend, it became clear that one reason that Dick Cheney’s nastiness has so visibly increased over the past couple decades is that he is married to the heart of darkness. Lord, that “woman” is detestable. I’ll bet old Dickless hasn’t boinked that creature (nor has he probably wanted to) since their last child was conceived. A couple decades of a sexless marriage makes a man lonesome, orn’ry, and mean, as the late, great Waylon Jennings would say.

45. Richard Pope spews:

Roger Rabbit @ 18

I assume Blethen will oppose I-933. His family’s financial interests have nothing at all to do with that initiative.

Probably more important to see how Blethen will stretch the truth to support causes that he believes in. And I don’t see how using a few seconds from a copyrighted videotape in a political commercial is anything other than “fair use”. This issue should have nothing to do with which candidate wins the 8th district congressional race.

46. John Barelli spews:

Perhaps it’s time for a bit of good news. RT Strategies, a non-partisan (or maybe bi-partisan) consulting/polling firm has released its latest poll on the 8th Congressional District. The numbers are:

Darcy Burner – 49%
David Reichert – 47%

Source: http://www.constituentdynamics.com/mw/2006/index2.php

Yes, there are a number of people that are still asking the question “Darcy who?”, but the people asking that question are back in that “other” Washington, and they work for the Republicans.

Looks like there’s a good chance that they will get the opportunity to meet Ms. Burner in person.

by Goldy, 10/29/2006, 4:52 PM


Well, if they’re gonna run racist ads down in Tennessee, the least the GOP could do is be honest about it. (Courtesy of The General.)

46 Responses to “Open thread”

1. Daddy Love spews:

33 K

I believe the number was jsut over 14,000.

2. Roger Rabbit spews:

7

We’re all Americans here. Except for the trollfucks. See #1 for example.

P.S. – pay your fucking gambling debt, Mark Welsher!!!

3. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

Richard, you mean, we will stop having to read one line Clueless? Or last line Furball? Once again great analysis! Yippee!

Now to something more serious:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/30/D8L2OIB80.html

I know proud liftist and ATJ have serious comprehension issues, but if you look at the most dangerous cities stated in this study, you’ll determine many of them controlled by donk had recent voting issues. Many of them are from Furball’s favorite state Ohio. Since these are moonbat controlled cities, Furball overlooks this and claims Blackwell did it. How Furball did Blackwell do it when these “crime-ridden” cities are controlled by your pukes? Who manned the polling stations Furball? Who created the polling stations Furball? I’m sure given the opportunity, Furball would choose any city from 325 or above as his final resting place!

Now if that don’t beat the band. Funny how truth and facts hurt the librul mind.

4. Roger Rabbit spews:

Being a racist or killing a woman sure helps your senate chances if you are a dem. I would go for president but I havent rape anyone yet.

Commentby Robert C Byrd-Democrat US Se— 10/29/06@ 5:33 pm

That must be klake the lying wingfuck! The spelling and grammar looks like his.

5. righton spews:

K at 39

ok, at least the 405 widening comment has some logic…but i gotta wonder….you mean we have 15 miles of rail from bellevue to renton, and cuz we lose 1 mile of it, the rest is worthless….isn’t a cure to that 1 mile still worth it?

Could you libs/greens put the word out that his hiking plan is going to screw transit for a long, long time. I know you guys would rather take mass transit than those stupid Priuses (just a bandaid)

6. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Legislators take an oath to uphold the law. Yet Darcy Burner supports breaking the law when she tells the fucking lie about the 2.13 minimum wage. I believe under-reporting income is a felony punishable by huge fines and long jail terms.

Seems like any candidate who actually follows through on fucking lies like this should be indicted.

7. Robert C Byrd-Democrat US Se spews:

This sure looks like one of my democrat political rallies.

8. Richard Pope spews:

Looks like Goldy is still on Daylight Savings Time!

For The Clueless does have a good analysis. It appears that Goldy accepted and formed a contract. Goldy then proposed a modification of the contract — loser pays a specified charity. Mark rejected the proposed contract modification. Original contract stands.

However, a different analysis may be appropriate. It does seem like the counteroffer argument has some merit. More appropriately, there is an exchange of on-line messages. And no completely unambiguous acceptance by Goldy. We can call it an acceptance, but Mark messaged back, and wanted Goldy to “decide”. Goldy didn’t get back to Mark until after the election.

I see it as ambiguous. Goldy did intend to accept Mark’s bet offer, but the subsequent conduct makes it ambiguous. A normal business contract would not normally be accepted in such an ambiguous manner. And a gambling contract would certainly be strictly construed.

So I would say there was no contract formed here.

Had a contract been formed, it would still be illegal and not enforceable. The definition of “gambling” includes benefitting a third party by the outcome of a chance event, and not just benefitting the person or persons betting:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.46.0237

9. JCH spews:

Soon, very soon GBS will require my permission to post on HA.ORG!!

10. Roger Rabbit spews:

RubberStampReichert refuses to hug cute cuddly bunnies. Vote for Darcy Burner!

11. Another TJ spews:

MTR, you say no bet was ever in place. If that was true, why did you agree to pay it off after the election?

13. RightEqualsStupid spews:

14 SITTING FEDERAL GOP POLITICIANS ARE under arrest, indictment, probation, conviction or investigation. Only ONE Dem is in that situation. And just think how many rethugs we’d have in jail if there were any REAL oversight!!!

14. Richard Pope spews:

Actually, that should be I-937 (or whatever the windmill initiative is numbered). Who knows what I-917 was (or would have been)? And who cares?

15. For the Clueless spews:

1 – pay the fucking gambling debt you owe to Goldy.

16. klake spews:

That must be klake the lying wingfuck! The spelling and grammar looks like his.

Commentby Roger Rabbit— 10/29/06@ 5:34 pm

Sorry Roger keep dreaming.

17. K spews:

From the front page of the NY Times:

Hundreds of thousands of weapons intended for Iraqi security forces were not properly monitored, a new federal report said.

Spin it for me, Righties. Start with shooting the messenger, the NY Times, see if you can get to the facts.

18. ArtFart spews:

25 Mark the Dipshit….it wasn’t taxpayer money, it was HER money. It’s also none of your business. And what’s with your sudden fascination with Maria’s sex life? Ain’t getting any yourself?

19. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Same goes for liarfuckingcantwell too

20. klake spews:

Goldy you should have aired this video instead. They never showed up in King County with their cameras to catch Ron Sims clowns stuffing the ballot boxes.

Join us at http://www.videothevote.org — Our goal is to protect the vote by being the eyes and ears where ballots are cast and counted on Election Day. We will document and report any irregularities that occur at polling places and boards of elections while they are happening, enabling the media and public to watch-dog the electoral process across our country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaEECHjWptU

21. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

So you support more empty buses?

Why?

Why not pour some fucking concrete so people like me in our luxury SUVs can get where we need to be?

And while we’re at it, let’s get rid of those stoopid fucking HOV lanes. We tried an experiment. It failed. Time to turn ‘em into lexus lanes so The Producers can get where they need to be. FUcking ridiculous the way it is now for us to have to sit there with the rest of you.

22. Daddy Love spews:

Daddy Love ballot guide:

Vote early and often. Elect Democrats; it drives them crazy.

Initiative 920: Repeal of inheritance tax
Nope.
Rationale: (1) Cuts money earmarked for education; (2) extremely progessive tax that affects only the undeserving offpsring of a very few of our most well-off and conmfortable families.

Initiative 933: So-called “poperty rights” measure
Nope.
Rationale: (1) In practice, legal and financial burdens will gut zoning and land use regualtion; (2) I disfavor developer-sponsored initiatives; (3) I do not agree with the highert-use valuations that enable property owners to imagine some use to which they would never have put their land and then charge the government for “taking” it from them.

Initiative 937: More windmills
Nope.
Rationale: I am starting to disfavor initiatives completely unless I see some compelling public good. On the whole I prefer legislative action. However, this is a “lean no” on my part; my feeling is not that strong.

HJR 4223: Increase personal property tax exemption
Yes (amazingly aligned with MTR)
Rationale: The personal property tax exemption is set at a dollar amount, which to me means that we will periodically have to raise periodically it due to inflation and rising property values. It should be set some other way.

King County Prop 1: Give KC the power to sell or swap Duwamish and waterfront land it owns.
Yes.
Rationale: KC paid the bonds off back in the 1930s or something. Why should the county not have the power to sell land that we own outright? There’s no public debt involved.

King County Prop 2: Transit funding.
Yes.
Rationale: We need to increase transit right now because of the major works projects about to begin.

WA Senator: Maria Cantwell
Not that Mike! is the lamest guy on the planet, but we don’t need more pro-no-Iraq-strategy anti-Social Security Rubber Stampers back there.

WA-08: Darcy Burner (can’t tell you how good that one felt–I guess I just did)
This smart little cookie is beating Gay Pride Dave like a drum, this election is important to take back the House, Dave IS one of the lamest guys on the planet, and we don’t need more pro-no-Iraq-strategy anti-Social Security Rubber Stampers back there.

Supreme Court justice: Susan Owens (fuck the BIAW)

District Court: Frank LaSalata

23. righton spews:

I”m still wondering if any other libs are curious about Ron Sims and his hiking plan….

I mean in a world of poor transit, and limited $$, why in the heck is he turning nice right of way w/ rails into trails? Don’t we have like 10,000 miles of trails within a 1 hour drive?

I”d love to take a train or light rail (except i don’t live along Rainier avenue). Offer me a BN track and hey baby, i’ll ride the rails..

24. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

I just think it’s terrible that LiarFuckingCantwell gives taxpayer money to her fuck buddy. That just seems wrong to me…

25. Roger Rabbit spews:

So how did we get Mark the Redneck and Roger Rabbit to agree on I-917? Commentby Richard Pope— 10/29/06@ 8:48 pm

I stomped some sense into him.

26. Roger Rabbit spews:

Redneck et seq.

Indictment is not the remedy for bet welshing! As I’ve pointed out previously on this blog, gambling contracts are not legally enforceable. Therefore, gambling debts normally are enforced by making the welsher go swimming with cement flippers.

27. Harry Tuttle spews:

Let’s get TWO HOV lanes with a 4 passenger requirement, instead.

28. Richard Pope spews:

So how did we get Mark the Redneck and Roger Rabbit to agree on I-917?

There actually is a lot of potential in wind power. Regardless of whether this initiative passes or not, economic forces and the limited supply of fossil fuels will eventually require all these alternative and renewable energy sources to be used.

29. Harry Tuttle spews:

Thanks for the anti-reality guide MTR. I voted the opposite way on all but one case.

I glad to know I was right about the others, though.

30. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Pope – Here’s a legal test for you. If an offer is made, and the offeree makes a counter offer, is the offeror still obligated to the terms of the original offer, or is that considered a rejection of the offer? I know the answer… so let’s see if you’re qualified to be a judge.

Here’s the exchange:

912 by 15 ! ! ! !
Hey Goldy, a week or so ago, you wanted to make a bet on whether 912 passes by 15. I accepted your offer, but never heard back from you.
I say the “Yes” vote on 912 will be at least 57.5%. If I’m right, you send $100 to Eyman’s compensation fund. If I’m wrong, I’ll send $100 to whoever you specify.
Are we on? Or are you not so sure now that everyone thinks like you?
We’re all waiting to hear…
Commentby Mark The Redneck— 9/20/05@ 11:36 am

Mark the Redneck @1,
You’re on. $100 says I-912 does not get 57.5% of the statewide vote.
Though I gotta say, you did pick the absolute worst cause I could possibly think of. If you’d like, instead of trying to screw each other, we could make this a friendlier wager by selecting a mutually agreeable charity – like the Red Cross – so that no matter the outcome, a worthy cause comes out a winner.
And Cynical @3… screw you. I didn’t offer you a wager.
Commentby Goldy— 9/20/05@ 5:31 pm

Goldy @ 15 – Nope. You pay Tim $100 and go on record putting money in his pocket or no deal.
You decide.
Commentby Mark The Redneck— 9/20/05@ 7:15 pm

Since I never heard back until after the election was over, the deal was dead.

31. Roger Rabbit spews:

17

I”m still wondering if any other libs are curious about Ron Sims and his hiking plan….

Commentby righton— 10/29/06@ 5:57 pm

Hey righton, where ya been, are you out on parole now? To answer your question, I posted on a previous thread that I think it’s a bad deal for the neighbors. I sure don’t want Port of Seattle running Boeing Field! What is Ron Sims thinking anyway.

32. Doctor Maf54 Kennedy Esq. spews:

Goldy:

Thank you for putting up the kind of add that Klake, Mark the Redneck, JCH and I can get behind. And you know that JCH likes it when we get behind him. [he he]

33. Roger Rabbit spews:

This one deserves reposting:

“I read a study recently which showed that conservative judges vote to overturn laws more often than liberal ones, which is the very definition of ‘activist’ judge as defined by latter-day conservatives.” Commentby Daddy Love— 10/29/06@ 5:12 pm

A certain amount of judicious judicial activism is healthy, but I don’t want injudicious judicial activism to get out of hand. (See Richard Sanders for an example.) That’s why I voted for Susan Owens. Also because I’m a partisan hack.

34. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

So what the fuck is Ron Sims trying to pull with Prop 1? Does anybody know? Since the wording is so obscure, I’m assuming it’s some bullshit that will end up fucking The Producers somehow.

35. klake spews:

I”d love to take a train or light rail (except i don’t live along Rainier avenue). Offer me a BN track and hey baby, i’ll ride the rails..

Commentby righton— 10/29/06@ 5:57 pm

Righton he will when you name the rail after him.

36. Robert C Byrd-Democrat US Se spews:

Being a racist or killing a woman sure helps your senate chances if you are a dem. I would go for president but I havent rape anyone yet.

37. Richard Pope spews:

Roger Rabbit @ 37

Actually, the $100 bet thing seems like a pretty close legal call. I think you can legally contract to “gamble”, if the proceeds go to a charity, rather than to the bettor. Not sure whether this would apply if the “charity” was a political cause. There was also the question of whether Goldy and Mark had a meeting of the minds — whether they had agreed on the same thing or not. Actually, there was a lot of evidence that they had.

I think courts don’t like gambling contracts. So if there is even a reasonable doubt as to whether the object of the contract is lawful, or whether a contract has been formed, a court should probably reject it. So your analysis is correct and basically the same as mine.

Wonder how this issue would fare in small claims court?

38. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Speaking of LiarfuckingCantwell… who do you guys think of her giving taxpayer money to her fuck buddy?

39. K spews:

@ 17 re the “big deal”-

I’m afraid both Sims and Dinsmore are building legacies. While the trail is a nice dream, it’s not at the top of the “to do” list.

The trail’s use for transit is compromised by the fact that WSDOT is cutting it at the Wilberton I-405 crossing for work on freeway widening. It would cost big bucks to maintain the rail line in a usable condition.

40. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

MTR’s ballot guide:

Initiative 920: Repeal of death tax
Yes.
Rationale: I vote for all tax cuts and against all tax increases.

Initiative 933: Stop government theft
Yes
Rationale: Stop fucking private property owners.

Initiative 937: More windmills
Yes
Rationale: The global warming stuff is bullshit of course. But I’m voting yes because the use of natural gas for electricity has driven up the price to the point where the fertilizer plants in the midwest that use natural gas for feedstock have shut down. We now rely on foreign countries to sell us fertilizer. Our food supply is now dependent on whether foreign countries like us or not, and I think that’s a bad idea.

GE has developed wind turbine technology that can produce power for about 7.5 cents per KWH compared to current rates of about 6 cents per KWH. So it’s in the ballpark.

HJR 4223: Increase tax exemption
Yes
Rationale: I vote for all tax cuts and against all tax increases.

King County Prop 1: Who the fuck knows what this is about?
No
Rationale: Ron Sims can’t be trusted.

King County Prop 2: More empty buses.
No
Rationale: We already have enough empty buses.

41. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

Does anybody know what kind of bullshit Ron Sims is trying to pull with Prop 1?

42. ArtFart spews:

17 Agreed. Methinks that the rail lines are becoming missed opportunities for transit rights-of-way that may well become far more significant than the recreational opportunities provided by trails. Mind you…my family and I LOVE hiking and biking. Just that it seems there are more important things.

In the 1980′s I worked at Physio-Control–what is now a part of Medtronic. We were one of the early industrial developments along Willows Road, perhaps the second after Rocket Research. Several of the people I worked with were involved with the Snoqualmie Valley Railroad Museum, and they often speculated about finding a couple of Budd Cars to run a transit service on the track that parallels Willows Road–they jokingly referred to it as “Physio Area Rapid Transit” AKA “PHART”.

Well, guess what? Now there are high-tech developments all along Willows, the traffic through that corridor has become God-awful, and that rail spur is now part of what would get converted to a trail under Sims’s proposal. The irony is that as a trail it’s redundant–the Sammamish River Trail is only a quarter of a mile away.

Are we really considering all the possibilities here?

43. Daddy Love spews:

9 RR

NY Times Op-ed that quotes a study by Lori Ringhand, a professor at the University of Kentucky College of Law. In her study of the Supreme Court, justices were considered to have voted in an activist way when they voted to overturn a federal or state law, or one of the court’s own precedents. She found, essentially, that
(1) Conservative justices were far more willing than the liberals to strike down federal laws — clearly an activist stance, since they were substituting their own judgment for that of the people’s elected representatives in Congress.
(2) When state laws were at issue, the liberals were more activist. This may be a Rehnquist influence on the conservatives.
(3) In the third measure, overturning the court’s own precedents (for which data were available only up to 2000), the conservatives were far more activist.

Even up on 1 and 2, and coservative more activist in 3. It’s not a wide survey; it’s only the USSC. But it is indicative. And there’s no indication that Roberts and Alito will temper conservative jusdicial “activism.” Here’s a link to the paper (PDF).

44. For the Clueless spews:

Goldy said “You’re on”. He also said “if you’d like” – you didn’t “like” so Goldy was held to “You’re on”. Your “no deal” has no validity.

Later, you said you “tried” to pay the debt but Cantwell’s site didn’t work for you. IMHO, that was bullshit. You lost and you were too chickenshit to pay what you owed.

So pay the fucking gambling debt you owe to Goldy.

45. ArtFart spews:

Mark, regarding “empty busses”…if “empty” is to mean “occupied only by the driver, there are a hell of a lot more “empty SUV’s” out there.

I have to admit, I’m at the helm of an “empty Grand Marquis”…although that STILL gets over twice the mileage as an Expedition or a Suburban. We live in Seattle, and early this year I took a job at a high-tech firm in Bellevue, not entirely realizing how drastically the bus service had been cut back in recent years. My greatest frustration was to realize that the routes that go from Overlake, the Northup Way/Bel-Red corridor and even the Bellevue Transit Center are now limited to a few “inbound (i. e. to downtown Seattle) runs in the morning and corresponding “outbound” runs in the evening. Get a clue, guys…who lives in the Northup industrial parks and commutes to Seattle? Sure, the busses are going to be empty if you run them when/where nobody needs ‘em! I’ll probably change jobs again before they tear up 520 if this doesn’t get straightened out.

46. short term insurance burial insurance spews:

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by Goldy, 10/25/2006, 8:06 PM

I’m exhausted. I need a vacation. (A real one, with no blogging.) Anyway, go talk amongst yourselves.

67 Responses to “Open thread”

1. Heathen Sinner spews:

I am Republican – I lie, steal and cheat when I’m not being a hypocrit and family man. Hail Hitler!

2. klake spews:

The Socialist Democrats are now planning their victory celebration and this is their video that will be played. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Such loving and peaceful people and they still want your head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6y4f7Dv-ls&mode=related&search=

3. Urassis Dragon spews:

Hey, has the 100 Hours Plan been addressed yet in this blog? Should it?

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has unveiled a Democratic “first 100 hours” plan to be enacted once Democrats control the House. In an effort to “drain the [Republican] swamp,” Pelosi would:

Day One: Put new rules in place to “break the link between lobbyists and legislation.”

Day Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Time remaining until 100 hours: Raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step. Cut the interest rate on student loans in half. Allow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients.

Broaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds — “I hope with a veto-proof majority,” she added in an Associated Press interview Thursday.

All the days after that: “Pay as you go,” meaning no increasing the deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or some other priority.

4. CherryVanilla spews:

Why are Mr. McGavick and Rep. Reichert unable to agree on things?

Rep. Reichert needs to “investigate” global warming.
Mr. McGavick says it is real.

Mr. McGavick suggests that change is needed in the Iraq “strategy.”
Rep. Reichert says “stay the course.”

I suppose blindly voting an entire slate in is easier on the minds of GOP loyals than thinking about the issues and where individual candidates stand…

5. Commander Ogg spews:

klake,

Thanks. Most excellent film.

6. Mr Ed spews:

After completing a survey of wingnuts vs. Spammers (from Oct 22-25)with registered humans support for klakes posts on HA stands at 4%, while the spammers approval rate was 95.2%. (the other .08% was equally shared between MWS, anomymous, Rufas, Janet Roach, sillygut, left out, and the lowest of LOWS MTR)

7. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

Now why did they do that?

October 26, 2006
Rights Group Fires Publisher of Foley E-Mail
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

WASHINGTON, Oct. 25 — A liberal gay rights group said Wednesday that one of its employees, acting anonymously, had created the Web site that first published copies of unusually solicitous e-mail messages to teenagers from former Representative Mark Foley, which led to his resignation.

Maybe the FBI is finding out new stuff?

8. Osama Bin Laden spews:

Yeah, I cant wait until Nov 7!!!! How did that song go…. tonight were going to party like the 19 on 911?

9. RightEqualsStupid spews:

NOW THIS IS RICH!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003323589_judges26e.html

We learn all kinds of interesting tidbits here.

Pope-A-Dope even ADMITS his own mental health is questionable. While I’ve always known he was batshit crazy, I didn’t know he knew it. It also turns out that the Bar isn’t done with Dickey. They’re still investigating him for FURTHER mistakes. Does anyone really think that this loooooooooser belongs ANYWHERE in a courtroom with the possible exception of Defendant’s chair?

10. me spews:

Thought I’d post the current # of ballots cast state wide. Looks like this thing could be pretty much rapped up by Tuesday.

County___ BallotsCast___ LastMatchback
Adams__ 362 ballots___ 10/25/2006 5:21:46 PM
Benton__ 3438 ballots___ 10/24/2006 11:55:21 AM
Chelan__ 1544 ballots___ 10/24/2006 6:28:15 PM
Clallam__ 2232 ballots___ 10/24/2006 2:06:31 PM
Clark__ 13822 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Columbia__ 275 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
Douglas__ 446 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Franklin__ 2271 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Grant__ 86 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Grays Harbor__ 840 ballots___ 10/23/2006 3:53:54 PM
Island__ 391 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:28:38 PM
Jefferson__ 1488 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
King__ 31474 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:35:59 AM
Kitsap__ 16702 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
Kittitas__ 969 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Klickitat__ 388 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM
Lincoln__ 89 ballots___ 10/24/2006 12:43:04 PM
Mason__ 2142 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
Okanogan__ 345 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Pacific__ 1 ballots___ 10/24/2006 11:55:21 AM
Pierce__ 17758 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
San Juan__ 625 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Snohomish__ 18071 ballots___ 10/25/2006 9:07:16 PM
Spokane__ 28937 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
Stevens__ 481 ballots___ 10/24/2006 11:55:21 AM
Thurston__ 6501 ballots___ 10/25/2006 10:50:18 AM
Wahkiakum__ 68 ballots___ 10/23/2006 6:02:53 PM
Whatcom__ 9473 ballots___ 10/25/2006 8:31:34 PM
Yakima__ 5993 ballots___ 10/23/2006 7:11:58 PM

11. klake spews:

This is Rogers favorite new video’s and follows what he preaches about this country and its leaders. The Terrorist thank you all for the support and your rewards will be great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKHsRcgsaI&mode=related&search=

12. stedman spews:

I’m worried about Oprah!!! Goldy, what should I do?

13. Roger Rabbit spews:

No, Goldy, no! We need tireless crusaders.

14. Anonymous spews:

by Goldy, 10/25/2006, 8:06 PM

I’m exhausted. I need a vacation. (A real one, with no blogging.)

What a whiner.

15. Daddy Love spews:

New Gallup numbers (free today 10/16 only?)

What does the public want this election season? The following are listed in order of approval (approve, disapprove, no opnion):
- Increase the minimum wage (86 14 1)
- Pass legislation to provide healthcare insurance to those who do not have it (79 17 4)
- Allow Americans to buy prescription drugs imported from other countries (72 25 2)
- Set a time-table for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq (63 34 2)
- Implement all of the anti-terror recommendations made by the 9/11 commission (62 25 13)

Umm, that’s why Democrats are talking about these things. Republicans are against all of them. Winning strategy, eh?

16. JDB spews:

Here Klake, this might help you understand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PUamBNnK_E

17. treasonous pickle spews:

Rush=Kkklake
Both are fucking morons, oxy-morons
Kkklake, why don’t you go take an adult-ed class to learn about spelling and grammar, you illiterate idiot.

18. Another TJ spews:

GOP congressmen thinking isn’t that an oxymoron?

No, Rush is an oxy-moron.

19. Daddy Love spews:

65 (wil change when spam is deleted) MWS

one of its employees, acting anonymously, had created the Web site that first published copies of unusually solicitous e-mail messages to teenagers from former Representative Mark Foley, which led to his resignation.

Wrong. Foley resigned because ABC approached him with e-mails that they had obtained privately (not from a Web site). He resigned three hours before ABC went public with them.

20. Luigi Giovanni spews:

David, I wondered why you didn’t post much today. Today was eventful.

David, did you pound too many at Montlake last night? Maybe that’s why you’re dragging. If you’re going to pound them, then you have to exercise afterward. In his drinking days, that’s how George W Bush took care of those hangovers.

I recommend you start going to Green Lake at least four times a week, and walk or run or do a combination of both around the perimeter of the lake, a distance of 2.8 miles. Not only will your energy level increase, your mind will clear. Everyone knows your mind needs clearing. In addition, you might meet Stefan there. A discussion with him after the exercise, four times a week, would give you the added benefit of improving your mind.

21. stedman spews:

When William F.Buckley, Jr. reclines in his leather chair and sparkles his smile at me and the big words come flying out of his gnarly piehole, that’s when I’m proud to be an American.

Where the hell is Oprah? I need fifty bucks.

22. klake spews:

Another propaganda film from the middle of the road Socialist Democrats. Clear picture on how they see America and love those who would destroy it. Osama bin Laden thank you for your support.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrN5MtBrpZs&mode=related&search=

23. klake spews:

It now appears that North Korea is not the only country having problems with their new missile launches. Now the Koreas have some competition for building new weapons today. Hell if the veer of the wrong way they might land on Seattle.

MOSCOW (AP) — An experimental Russian ballistic missile veered off course and fell into the sea shortly after being test-launched from a nuclear submarine Wednesday, the country’s second launch failure in as many months, officials said.
The Bulava missile was launched from underwater in the White Sea northeast of St. Petersburg toward a testing range on the far-eastern Kamchatka peninsula, but it veered off its designated flight path minutes after liftoff. The missile broke apart and its fragments fell into the sea, the navy said.
The botched launch signaled serious problems with the much-lauded Bulava.
The previous Bulava launch, from the same submarine in September, also ended in failure, prompting Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov to urge quick action to prevent the mishap from damaging plans for commissioning new Borei-class submarines.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/TechNews/NewStuff/2006/10/25/2125064-ap.html

24. Roger Rabbit spews:

Reichert must have slept through yesterday’s briefing. “Stay the course” is out. “Flexibility” is in.*

* This doesn’t mean GOP congressmen are authorized to do their own thinking. They still must check in with Karl Rove on a daily basis. It only means they’re supposed to spout different lines from Bullshit Central.

25. stedman spews:

re 22; “…BIN LAUDIN…”!!!!!!!!! Zoundsssss my good man!!! Sounds like Oprah’s Frenchy French toilet water.

26. The Socialist spews:

i would like to see the g.o.p. cowerd war crimanels rot in prison first on there way to rotting in hell.

27. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Religion is responsible for more death on this planet than weather, natural dissasters and illness combined.

28. Daddy Love spews:

20 klake

That’s funny. You look at that video and see “terrorists want to behead us.” And you DN’T see that people in other countries are burning the flag because the US invaded an occupied a country that didn’t attack them, then killed half a million people along the way and refuse to leave. It’s funny.

30. RightEqualsStupid spews:

This just in. Lush Flimbaugh is trying to talk his newest girlfriend into believing he only FAKES having a limp dick so he can take Viagra. In reality, he has no dick. He’s a girl who is actually Klake’s mom.

31. Daddy Love spews:

63 (will change when SPAM is deleted) jaybo

Don’t you know that the new thing is to link to YouTube? Your cut and paste is so early 2000s.

32. Anonymous spews:

Take some time off after the election Goldy! You deserve it!

33. stedman spews:

I’ll tell you what! Next to Rosie O’Donnell, Oprah’s Miss America!! So don’t go wagging your finger at me and calling me “Mr. Gigalo”!

34. Daddy Love spews:

And in honor of our “Dickbrain of the Year” award winner, here’s video of Rush Limbaugh in his studio physically mocking Michael J. Fox’s deblitating, progressive disease. He’s an example for all Republicans who aspire to true sliminess!

Hey, I linked to video. Does that make me Republican?

35. CherryVanilla spews:

11 No, not really. Some of them have individual thinking processes and advanced degrees. I meant the electorate by “GOP loyals.” Like:
“Two of my children are getting divorced, but I support family values and can’t stand the idea of a same-sex couple being happy together. People are meant to be miserable together or happy apart, like my heterosexual children.”

“Voting against cutting benefits for veterans is what anti-American people do. Real patriots know that risking death, dismemberment and PTSD is enough reward for our fighters, why teach them to continue to suck at the government teat with benefits?”

“It makes total sense to me that the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, thus we go to war with Iraq. After all, my minimally-funded education has taught me Saudi Arabia and Iraq is the same country.”

It’s safer for these GOP loyals not to try thinking unless they have some thinking buddies to help them through those huge logic gaps.

36. Daddy Love spews:

sgmmac

Yes, I continue to say that it IS what they want. When 86% of those polled say they would “approve” if Democrats do X, you can take that as they want it done. If they didn’t want it, why would they approve of it being done, and in such numbers?

I didn’t say, you will note, that these are the TOP things people want. But they want them.

37. JDB spews:

Olberman just showed an add for Arlene Specter (R) PA done by Michael J. Fox during his last election supporting him because he supported stem cell research.

Wonder how many days Limbaugh spent on Mr. Fox being “exploited” then?

Limbaugh, what an Oxy-moron.

Hell, this piss off about half of their base, and will probably turn independents to the Democrats 8 to 1. Plus, is this, as Republicans what you want to be talking about? Not to mention, Michael J. Fox is not Ted Kennedy.

38. Daddy Love spews:

22 klake

Does this mean that the new Republican troll trend will be AWAY from pasting in op-eds and TOWARD right-wing YouTude links? I like any change, but it says no more for your powers of argument.

39. The Socialist spews:

GOP congressmen thinking isn’t that an oxymoron?

40. stedman spews:

okjpij

41. stedman spews:

okjpij

42. stedman spews:

You’re a disgrace to the Grand Old Party, klake. Oprah won’t read your book nor will she recommend it to others!

43. busdrivermike spews:

Only 180 more shopping days until impeachment!

44. PhilK spews:

Darcy!

45. RightEqualsStupid spews:

George Bush the draft dodging, AWOL coward NOW wants to cut and run from Iraq! What a joke. Anyone who suppors this traitor should rot in Hell!

46. Don Joe spews:

Oh, look! It’s a Bob Corker ad here on Horse’s Ass! (Goldy, don’t delete the SPAM…)

47. jaybo spews:

Many of us feel important in the shallow lives we live in this country. But there are others in this world that live lives of courage and conviction.

FAITH UNDER FIRE
Teen’s testimony of faith unstopped by death
Missionary into Kim Jong-Il’s kingdom of religious oppression martyred

Posted: October 26, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A new report from a ministry with a longtime record of support for members of the persecuted Christian church has described the torture and death, and ultimate surviving ministry, of a Christian in North Korea, one the most restrictive nations in the world regarding people of faith.
The report from The Voice of the Martyrs tells of four young men who chose pseudonyms – Pencil, Eraser, Pen and Paper Clip – while training for a Christian mission expedition into North Korea.
They were trained by “Andrew,” a Christian worker in China, for the work that would face them after crossing the Tumen River into North Korea.
While three were studious in their work, the VOM report said, the young man who chose the name “Pencil” seemed to pay little attention, but all four were dispatched into the kingdom of Kim Jong-Il a short time later.

Reports from within North Korea several months later came to VOM that three – Eraser, Pen and Paper Clip – had been arrested by North Korean police and beaten, thrown into vehicles and taken away. Reports came back the three were in a concentration camp, but “Pencil,” who had watched the arrests, never saw them again.
“Pencil,” who feared a similar arrest, lived as a beggar to avoid detection, then returned to Andrew in China.
“With tears in his eyes, ‘Pencil’ told Andrew the fate of his three friends. He shared how they had been bold witnesses for Christ, and how he had hid in fear as his best friends were taken away,” the report said.
“What do you want to do with the rest of your life?” Andrew asked, and “Pencil” told him, “I want to learn how to be brave like my friends, and unafraid to share Jesus.”
“The boy whose mind always seemed to wander was now a young man completely committed to Christ,” the VOM report said. “When ‘Pencil’ was ready to return to North Korea, he looked into the eyes of his friend and mentor, and said, ‘I need nothing more.’”
He immediately connected with a Christian couple inside North Korea, and together they worked on their ministry. For five months, they planted seeds of faith and prayed, VOM said.
“One day the three of them were sharing with a small group of beggars and gave them some tracts and a Bible. One of the young beggars went home and proudly showed the Bible to his mother,” VOM’s report, written by P. Todd Nettleton, said.
The mother promptly grabbed it and marched into a police station, where commanders dispatched officers to arrest the couple and “Pencil.”
His following interrogation quickly turned to torture, VOM said, as officers demanded to know the source of the Bible, and that “Pencil” recant.
Instead, he told them of his friends and their fearless witness.
“There was a time when I couldn’t be like them,” he said. “I was too afraid. But now I can be since Jesus is with me.”
Beatings and torture, including pulling out his fingernails, followed.
“If you kill me, someday you will become a Christian,” “Pencil” told the officers.
Eventually, the officers gave up, ordering him to a labor camp but with instructions that he not be fed. For two months, “Pencil” told the other prisoners and the camp guards, “Jesus is the reason I am able to go on.”
“Because of his endurance and how he shared the love of Jesus, many in the camp turned to Christ,” the VOM report said. “After two months in the camp, Pencil died. He never saw his 20th birthday. His body was removed from the camp, but the fruit of his short ministry there lived on.”
VOM is a non-profit, interdenominational ministry working worldwide to help Christians who are persecuted for their faith, and to educate the world about that persecution. Its headquarters are in Bartlesville, Okla., and it has 30 affiliated international offices.
It was launched by the late Richard and Sabina Wurmbrand, who started smuggling Russian Gospels into Russia in 1947, just months before Richard was abducted and imprisoned in Romania where he was tortured for his refusal to recant Christianity.
He eventually was released in 1964 and the next year he testified about the persecution of Christians before the U.S. Senate’s Internal Security Subcommittee, stripping to the waist to show the deep torture wound scars on his body.
The group that later was renamed The Voice of the Martyrs was organized in 1967, when his book, “Tortured for Christ,” was released.

48. rhp6033 spews:

Personally, I don’t think divorce files should be public record. In the initial stages of a divorce, the filing party (petitioner) routinely files an affidavit asking for a temporary restraining order against the respondent. This is necessary to prevent either side from quickly taking control of marital assets, or reacting angrily to the filing of the divorce. The problem is, the law requires that there be “cause” for the TRO. In other words, you have to allege that you have some reason to assume that the other party would harass, abuse you, or dispose of the marital assets. That leads to affidavits being filed which typically include rather exaggerated claims that the petitioner has been abused, and the respondent is a jerk. After a couple of sets of “dueling affidavits” each containing such charges and counter-charges, the judge in the preliminary hearing typically just imposes mutual restraining orders, establishes temporary custody, sets temporary child support, decides who gets to live in the house pending trial, and then refers the case to trial somewhere down the road.

I think justice would be better served if those dueling affidavits were dispensed with, and the filing of a divorce action resulted in an automatic and mutual TRO, which can be amended at a hearing later.

In addition, most of the financial matters which might show up in a divorce trial are nobody’s business but the parties themselves and the court.

So I would suggest that the public portion of the record should only include the fact that a petition was filed, the dates and names of the parties, and the ultimate disposition (i.e., dissolution granted) and the date.

49. klake spews:

Well Folks right off the press form bin Laudin and friends new Campaign film for the Socialist Democrats. Remember Kiss them on both cheeks and they will spare your life and bless your children. We from the caves of Pakistan thank you for all your support and we just hung a picture of Ted Kennedy in our Cave. My Mohammad Bless you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19OwEE7bunw

50. Don Joe spews:

ATJ,

Were we in Wisconsin, a line like that would have landed you in the State PUNitentiary, in WaPUN, for PUNishment.

51. Al Gore spews:

I hope we win this time. It sure has been slow for me lately. I hate winter.

52. LauraBushKilledAGuy spews:

I think I am going to try to track down the ex-Mrs. Pope. I’d love to find out some more dirt on this idiot.

53. danw spews:

Richard Pope is not qualified to beat up my girlfriend.
(Although he has tried to rough up women in the past)

Come on Goldy go after this Numbskull.
I know you like to increase traffic at your site, but King Richard the Poop is looking to be a Judge.

Can you imagine this idiot making decisions based on his warped idea of Morality.

That Ashely Bach Article (linked above) sums up the type of Justice to be handed down by this guy. Plus we all know the BS he posts here is full of hate and my morals or the hiway anyway.

,i> Since the late 1990s, judges have sanctioned or fined Pope at least a half-dozen times — and thousands of dollars — for missing deadlines, filing frivolous motions and other court delays.

In one 1997 case, a state appeals court called Pope’s failure to pay for court documents an “egregious violation” of the court’s rules and sanctioned him and his client $1,500. Pope then took almost two years to pay and was fined another $1,500 for taking so long.

The Municipal League and King County Bar Association have rated Pope “not qualified,” with the bar association taking the unusual step last month of citing him for a history of unprofessional conduct.

Pope “doesn’t have the qualifications to run as a dogcatcher,” LaSalata says. “Most attorneys who do their job never see a sanction in their entire career.”

Pope says his mistakes aren’t that unusual in civil and family law, where he’s specialized. He says he “took cases that have been relatively complex and tried to do the best I could and sometimes I’ve missed deadlines.”

U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman threw Pope off a civil case in January because of missed deadlines. In a long brief in his defense, Pope cited personal problems that included a divorce, his father’s death and the care of his daughter, who has autism.

My “own mental health situation is terrible,” Pope wrote, adding that he hoped most of it was “situationally derived, rather than long term.”

Pechman pointed out that Pope still found time to make a failed run for Port of Seattle commissioner around the time he missed a deadline, and she forwarded a complaint about Pope’s behavior to the Washington State Bar Association, which is investigating.

Pope said this week that he is doing “much, much” better. “I don’t think there’d be any difficulty for me to serve as a judge.”

A woman whose ex-husband Pope represented in a long-running child support case obtained an anti-harassment order against him for two years in the mid-1990s. Janet Moore said Pope threatened her repeatedly, and once lunged across the table at her and her attorney during a deposition.

After county prosecutors investigated him for an alleged violation of the order, he sued Moore, County Prosecutor Norm Maleng and then-King County Sheriff James Montgomery for “false and malicious” charges. The lawsuits, in King County Superior and federal court, were eventually dismissed.

Pope denies that he lunged at Hansen but admits that he behaved poorly during the deposition. “I made a bad mistake nearly 12 years ago there and I deeply regret it.”

I know your on the Darcy/Goldmark kick, but Judges are tougher to recall (if at all) than congressman.

He can have a profound impact on many peoples lives, without the oversight.

STOP THIS IDIOT NOW!

54. danw spews:

Nothing makes it ILLEGAL for supervisory employees to join a labor organization. They simply don’t have the protections that are afforded under the National Labor Relations Act.

Comment by Richard Pope — 10/3/06 @ 12:12 pm

This bonehead wants to be a Judge.

Please Goldy;
Remove your endorsement of this perenial candidate, He couldn’t make it as an attorney, now he just wants payback against people who actually took the time to understand the law and took him to the woodshed over and over.
That is a best case scenario, worse is that he gets into the pocket of the BIAW and just keeps this buying of the courts rolling.

55. sgmmac spews:

67, Daddy,

That isn’t what Americans want – it’s what Americans rate the likelyhood of a Democratic controlled Congress will do.

Big difference!

Also, the items listed were picked by the survey = not the respondents.

Big Difference!

56. RightEqualsStupid spews:

Dickie if you ever came across the table at me in a depo, I’d break your fucking pencil thin neck!

Man you aren’t just crazy, you’re fucking dangerous. How’d you manage to avoid jail all this time?

I could tell just by looking at pictures of Dickie he and Mr. Irons had something in common. Problems with women Dickie? Is that the root of your mental illness?

57. danw spews:

3. Someone should file a civil rights lawsuit in federal court to throw out the November 2004 governor’s election based on federal constitutional violations of the right to vote and equal protection — due to all these duplicated and ineligible voters in King County. It is not too late for a federal lawsuit.

Posted by: Richard Pope on October 13, 2005 06:36 PM

Now here is a guy that comes to decisions based on (U)sound
Legal Precedent. Just another Shill for the BIAW.
Don’t see him writing about the Conyers report or The Junior Kennedy article and asking for an election to be tossed out for really aggregious errors.

I don’t want to be doing hard labor for a speeding ticket.
Since this guy doesn’t know the law (or doesn’t understand that is what he is supposed to rule by), I am going to have to appeal to get his stupid ruling overturned.

Come on Repugs…think of the cost to Taxpayers of all the retrials of Popes stupid rulings.

And you know there will be retrials, any attorney will know that they have at least a 50/50 chance of getting a Dope ruling overturned by a real Judge.

58. danw spews:

See Goldy;
He is so confussed that he doesn’t know if he is a democrat or Republican, whichever way the wind or money blows he’ll be there.

Like Joad from Grapes of Wrath…..but in a it’s about me way.

Sunday, September 24, 2006

Judicial Selection: Pope’s fiasco

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

Over more than a decade, Washington voters have 10 times rejected Richard Pope’s attempts at elected office. This year, finally, he may have gotten lucky. And that likely will mean bad luck for his constituents, especially those who would come before him as King County District Court judge.

The ratings Pope has earned from associations and good-government groups consistently hover in the range of “poor” and “not qualified.”

He ran as a Republican for state attorney general twice, a Democrat for King County prosecutor and a Republican again for King County assessor.

In 2004, state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance used “the fiasco of Richard Pope” as evidence of parties’ loss of power to select their own candidates under the blanket primary.

59. danw spews:

Sorry Stilwell — all divorce files in Washington courts are PUBLIC, unless there is a court order sealing them.

I don’t think a lobbyist who is the ex-boyfriend of an incumbent U.S. House of Representatives member (as was the situation between Ron Dotzauer and Maria Cantwell on March 18, 1994) should be entitled to having the special privilege of having the ENTIRE case file sealed. This smacks of favoritism and may have been done to cover up politically embarassing revelations from public purview.

Posted by Richard Pope at 09:34 PM, Sep 12, 2006

Come on Unless sealed? they were sealed. Judge?

Come on Poop post your Divorce/Murder papers here if they are open record.

60. Richard Pope spews:

DanW @ 87

My divorce papers are a public record. If it suits your fancy, you can go down to the King County Court House and copy them for 25 cents per page. Actually, it is really easy — go to the computer terminal, and press the buttons to print things out. Or call my opponent, and maybe you can save the copying charges and a trip downtown. And you can even scan them and post them on your own website, etc. etc.

There really is nothing exciting in there. Other than the fact that I have custody of my daughter — something the Seattle Times story today chose not to emphasize (and left many readers perhaps with the misleading impression that her mother has custody, since that is the much more common situation in society). I suppose that if Goldy didn’t mention that he has custody of his daughter, many people (including lots of his right-wing critics from time to time) would likewise assume that she was with her mother.

The only person in my race whose divorce files were sealed was the incumbent, Mary Ann Ottinger (who was eliminated in the primary). She was divorced from drunk driving defense attorney Stephen Hayne back in 1994. Their entire file was sealed — apparently by mutual agreement — on the same day it was filed back in March 1994.

And I would say that sealing orders are used far too often in civil cases, especially in divorce and family law cases. And the entire court file often gets sealed, when only a few documents (or portions thereof) would be appropriately kept confidential in cases where sealing is called for.

61. Daddy Love spews:

83

I’ll give you your second point. The items were selected by the survey.

But if you followed the link you should have scrolled down further, because those polled were not rating the likelihood of any item being put forward, but instead giving their own APPROVAL of each it IF IT WERE put forward.

Thus it is indeed what peoiple would want done, of the choices presented, in the order and at the approval percentates I quoted.

I don’t think it is too far-fatched to say that a good part of the Democratic appeal in this alection is they they ARE willing to pass actual legislation that Republicans would never touch, and that this is reflected to some extent in the current “Democratic wave.”

62. Daddy Love spews:

That was 83 sgmmac

The numbers will change if the spam is deleted.

63. Roger Rabbit spews:

80

I can’t even support Richard for dogcatcher until he resolves his situationally derived mental health issues. Look what happens when can happen when people with situationally derived issues are dogcatchers:

“Rader had worked since 1991 as a supervisor of the Compliance Department at Park City, a two-employee, multi-functional department in charge of ‘animal control, housing problems, zoning, general permit enforcement and a variety of nuisance cases.’ In this position, neighbors recalled him as sometimes overzealous and extremely strict; one neighbor complained that he euthanized her dog for no reason.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader

64. Roger Rabbit spews:

91

I’m not suggesting Richard would euthenize people, like that guy did, but he does need to get his lunging-across-the-table style of conducting depositions under control. It would be unseemly to have a small claims court judge lunge across the bench and bludgeon people with his gavel. Pope didn’t do that, but LaSalata threatened to throw small claims litigants in jail.

65. Roger Rabbit spews:

82

Goldy endorsed Pope? Was I traveling when that happened? I thought Goldy dissed Pope.

66. danw spews:

Dissed and supported him, that’s what’s confusing.

I don’t care if he’s a Republican or Democrat. (which not even he is sure what he is.)
But Unqualified people, no matter how nice should not be sitting making rulings on people who know the law better than them.

Richard;

Went to your opponents website;

http://electfrankvlasalatajudge.com/_wsn/page4.html

Don’t see anything about the divorce in there, but plenty more about your qualifications, or lack therof.

Where can we find a copy of the restraining order on you by that women, you jumped at?

67. sgmmac spews:

Daddy,

You said that is what Americans want, it isn’t what they want. It’s their priorities amoung those items listed. Americans may have higher priorities of things not listed, such as;

Repealing the Patriot act, gay marriage, habeas corpus, immigration, fixing social security and/or Medicare, outsourcing jobs, lowering or raising taxes, the federal debt, and finally eavesdropping on (suspected) terrorists and other various hot topics all discussed here daily……….

Not all Republicans are against those priorities in 67 and not all Democrats agree with passing all of the 9/11 commissions findings. They did pass one of them that most Democrats hate – that is making it illegal to issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens.

by Goldy, 10/23/2006, 2:26 PM

President Bush uses “the Google.” Nice to know he’s keeping up with technology.

137 Responses to “Open thread”

1. The Socialist spews:

hey ass wipe why don’t we just out sources all the privet sector jobs and in port smart people from other country’s to do the work of the rest we can’t out source for 1/2 the money were paying them how does that grab you .

Oh what a minute you ass holes are all ready doing that that never mind..

go back to beating your wife will you …..

2. Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ spews:

People in the good state of Missouri need photo identification to cash a check, board a plane or apply for food stamps. But the state Supreme Court has ruled that a photo ID requirement to vote is too great a burden on the elderly and the poor. Go figure.

Public polls consistently show that an overwhelming majority of Americans–regardless of age, race, ethnicity or socioeconomic status–favor voter ID laws. And nearly half of the nation’s states have passed them. Yet a string of recent court decisions has blocked their implementation in some places, thus siding with Democrats and liberal special interest groups who would rather turn a blind eye to voter fraud.

Missouri’s dispute shows what’s at stake and why the laws are under attack. The state passed its new voting requirements in May in response to problems at the polls in 2000 and 2004, and the IDs were made available at no charge. The law was to be implemented over a two-year period, and people who lacked proper identification would be permitted to cast a provisional vote next month.
Despite these good faith efforts to ensure legitimate ballot access, however, opponents charge that photo ID requirements are overly burdensome and tantamount to a poll tax. The Missouri Democratic Party, which challenged the law, said that while the ID itself is free, the underlying documents–such as a birth certificate–required to obtain the necessary identification cost money. And state judges were sympathetic to the argument.

In a 6-1 decision striking down the law as a violation of the state constitution, the Missouri Supreme Court said that requiring the “between 3 and 4 percent of Missourians who lack the requisite photo ID” to obtain one for voting purposes “creates a heavy burden on the fundamental right to vote.” How so? “Specific Missouri voters testified that to acquire the requisite photo ID, at the very least they will have to incur the costs associated with birth certificates, which in Missouri costs $15.”

In his dissenting opinion, Judge Stephen Limbaugh Jr. took issue with the fact that the majority opinion actually played down the existence of vote fraud. “Although the majority agrees that there is some evidence of voter fraud at the voter registration stage, they discount that evidence as if it had no connection with fraud at the polling place,” wrote Judge Limbaugh. “But why else does voter registration fraud occur if not to vote persons fraudulently registered?”

But there’s a reason that Democrat partisans are more interested in raising the specter of Jim Crow than in protecting the integrity of the voting process. And here’s a clue: While the Missouri Supreme Court was preparing its decision earlier this month, the Kansas City Star and St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran front-page stories about the thousands of fraudulent voter registrations submitted by Acorn, a national left-wing group financed in part by organized labor.
According to the Star, Acorn’s voter registration drive generated some 35,000 applications, “but thousands of them appear to be duplicates or contain dubious data.” The report went on to note that “[n]ear the top of the fishy list would be a man named Mark who apparently registered seven times over a three-day period using his mother’s home address and phone number.” Mom told the paper he hadn’t lived there in six years.

Acorn and its affiliates have been among the most active and vocal opponents of voter ID laws in Missouri and nationwide. Now we know why.

3. Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ spews:

Our Constitution requires voters to be US citizens. A requirement to prove your citizenship is NOT un-Constitutional. [FYI, a birth certificate will provide that proof, along with a picture ID}

However, picture ID’s will make it more difficult for Democtrats to vote multiple times at various locations. Not impossible… just more difficult… That is the only reason why they are vehemently against picture IDs being required to vote.

4. Roger Rabbit spews:

If the election was stolen in King County, the Republicans have no one to blame except their own observers and counters. But it wasn’t stolen. The GOP claims of election fraud were tested in court, before their hand-picked Republican judge in their hand-picked Republican County, and after spending two weeks in trial and $2 million in legal fees, Rossi had 4 votes of his votes thrown out as fraudulent, Gregoire none. Read ‘em and weep, klake. Your guy lost. He’s a fucking crybaby, and so are you.

5. Daddy Love spews:

The stock market is now 9% over where it was in 2000. Ca, you hear the Bush Boom?

6. Doctor JCH Kennedy, ESQ spews:

JCH, as a Republican, I’m sure you’re very proud of the fact that Cubans have better medical care than 45 million Americans do.

Commentby Roger Rabbit [...Yes, That's why millions of black Americans are swimming to Cuba each year!! Total bull shit]

7. Facts Support My Positions spews:

Klake, I am not saying that bringing a better future to these people, and ours is going to be easy. It will require sacrifice, reason, treasure, toughness, tenderness, allies, and diplomacy. Our current government only understands murder, and dishonesty. This murder is only making matters worse.

These people hate us. On this we both agree. I am probably the only one that will discuss the real reasons why……

8. Roger Rabbit spews:

102

I’m glad SOMEBODY loves me, klake! Too bad nobody loves you.

9. Roger Rabbit spews:

Hmmm, klake’s not here anymore, must be past his bedtime.

10. vancouver sucks spews:

Sorry Mark, but I do know where you can get “I’m a douchebag” bumpersticker. That way I can laugh everytime I see you.

11. Facts Support My Positions spews:

” Commentby Facts Support My Positions@73
I thought you libs resereved drinking liberally for thursdays… Glad yo see you are flying high tonite. (by the way I can assure you the dope you smoked tonite is full strenth) Get a grip and go to bed, sleep it off and you might be able to see clearly in the morn.

Commentby Chuck— 10/23/06@ 9:21 pm ”

So 16 spy agencies did not say the Iraq war was fueling terrorism? Gosh, I quit drinking a long time ago. I suggest you lay off the Kool-Aid.

All those experts must have gotten it wrong.

I am sure that fewer people hate America now than when Bush took office right?

Our military is in better shape?

Go ahead and call me a liberal. I am actually more of a conservative, and a problem solver. Don’t mistake conservative for Jesus Freak though. The American Taliban is not conservative, they are insane.

I would rather be called a liberal and have all facts support my positions, than have to lie to myself, and support PROVEN liars, cowards, and traitors.

We may never recover from the damage Bush, and his Republican lap dogs have done to our great nation. The sooner redstate retards figure out they have been duped, lied to, ripped off, abused, and had their children slaughtered in an insane war, the better for us all.

By the way, Bush never told Cindy Sheehan what the “noble cause” her son died for was…..

12. klake spews:

Goldy you friend made the papers today and you made no comments about the complaint?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003319552_webowens23.html
Justice Susan Owens pulls out of debate
By RACHEL LA CORTE
The Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. – Justice Susan Owens pulled out of the sole state Supreme Court debate on Monday, just hours before she was to face off with state Sen. Stephen Johnson, citing concern that one of the moderators had donated to her opponent’s campaign.
The Monday debate was sponsored at the College Club in Seattle by the Downtown Seattle Republican Club. Owens’ campaign sent out an e-mail saying that “we do not feel that it will be a level playing field.”
Enlisted as moderators were Stefan Sharkansky, a conservative blogger for soundpolitics.com, and Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Joel Connelly.
Sharkansky has endorsed Johnson, a Republican from Kent, and donated $100 to the campaign in May, according to campaign finance records. The P-I has endorsed Owens.

13. klake spews:

Why is it only Republicans are in favor of having no paper trail?

It’s fucking obvious. If I had the time I would just re-post this after every piece of crap you print, klake, until it reverberates in your empty head.

Commentby headless lucy— 10/23/06@ 10:20 pm

Sweet Lucy hugs and kisss please love me you sweet thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paper trail who is running this state sweet hart the Socialist Democrats are, and have been doing it for years. You got a problem go slobber in their ear please.

14. eponymous coward spews:

The Preznit uses the Google to keep track of those rumors he keeps hearing on the Internets.

15. ArtFart spews:

Maybe that’s where the Google folks are really making their money…

16. Daddy Love spews:

Whops…that link should have been http://www.ajc.org/

17. proud leftist spews:

Gee, another bad day for MTR. He remains delusional and resistant to medication. His paranoia concerning the progressive direction in which this nation is headed continues to preclude him from acknowledging any sort of reality. The few times he approaches sanity, he knocks down peach margaritas until he chokes on his own puke, curled naked around a toilet in a public men’s room. Not a pretty sight. Not even for MWS, who generally fucks anyone who can spew fascist rhetoric.

18. klake spews:

kkklake, most regulars skip to the end of excessive posts and when we see your nazi nick we just skip it

Commentby Mr Ed— 10/23/06@ 8:25 pm

Mr Ed are you eating corn or oats today in the barn?

19. Mark1 spews:

Roger Rodent: (just for the open thread humor)

May I suggest getting a life? How many hours a day do you obsessively spend on this site? You’re so pathetic it is really rather entertaining. I can tell that you are a very insecure, angry little man; you lack self-confidence and wit, not to mention I’d bet never very socially accepted or popular with the fairer sex. You desire to be intelligent, and you try very hard; but in the end your delusional rants consist mostly of nothing more than Republican bashing, while offering no ideas or solutions of your own. The long posts of HAR HAR HAR, etc. and living in your childish bunny-world show your desire to be something when your just a nobody as well as your juvenille and immature view on the world. I’d also be seriously willing to bet you’re IQ is somewhere less than 100. They do now have doctors that may be able to treat your condition of complete ignorance and naiveness. Good luck in your quest Rodent. I’ll be on tomorow, when I’m sure there will be a hundred or so posts from you that say a lot, but mean nothing. Grow up Rodent.

20. Daddy Love spews:

New CNN poll:

63 percent of poll respondents said they believed Democrats could provide strong leadership, compared to just 49 percent who expressed confidence that the GOP would keep a firm hand on the wheel.”

And the Republican “advantage” on terrorism? Um, nope.

“When asked whether each party could protect the United States, the results for Democrats and Republicans were identical and positive, with 59 percent saying yes and 38 percent saying no.

21. Mark The Redneck KENNEDY spews:

what’s the deal all of a sudden with talk of obama running for prez? has screamin’ dean decided that TSWITW is unelectable?

do any of you know where I can get one of those Boxer/Obama bumper stickers? I crack up laughing every time I see one of those.

22. My Left Foot spews:

Mark1 @ 13:

From bunny huggers everywhere:

Go fuck yourself!

23. The Socialist spews:

I think we should call up the queen and say we were terribly wrong and we just can’t handle things on our own and ask politely to be allowed to re join the UK

24. My Left Foot spews:

MWS @ 23:

I am projecting a huge Republican defeat. That is all I am projecting. Enjoy, the next two weeks.

We are taking our damn country back.

25. Roger Rabbit spews:

61

JCH, as a Republican, I’m sure you’re very proud of the fact that Cubans have better medical care than 45 million Americans do.

26. Daddy Love spews:

121 (will change) MWS

In an editorial. How like you. Can’t you gather your own facts and comment cogently upon them instead of relying on professional Republican talking heads to say them fro you?

Anyway, the other day as I was looking through international financial pages tracking down that Raymond James analyst quote, it looked to me like it is not just “many Americans” who think that we’re on “the verge of recession.”

Unfortunately, the likelihood of recession IS a mtter of opinion and not fact. But it is a widely held opinion.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=411c8100-8f5f-4013-b324-3819f5d7690b&k=84992

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/8ffc1178-25b0-11db-a12e-0000779e2340.html

http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/140414/

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/daughty/daughty101106.html

– From John William’s Shadow Government Statistics we learn that “The broad outlook for a deepening inflationary recession remains in place. Confirming the extremely bleak employment picture, the August help wanted advertising index dropped to 31, from 32 in July, and from 34 in June. The August level is the lowest reading since April 1961.” I gasp! 1961?

– “Risks of recessio