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by Carl Ballard — Friday, 3/20/20, 11:10 am

Dear Senator Murray,

I am writing to thank you for your leadership in this difficult time. Specifically, I want to thank you for pushing for sick leave protections for all workers. I know that it has not passed yet, but I hope that you will keep pushing. We need to be in this together by staying apart.

Thank you,

Carl Ballard

(For the rest of you, wash your hands right now.)

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  1. 1

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 11:36 am

    The morning press briefing:

    Peter Alexander – “Mr. President, what do you say to Americans who are scared right now?”

    GOP president cat-food-brain – “I say you’re a TERRIBLE REPORTER. That’s a very NASTY question. YOU’RE ALL FAKE NEWS!”

    I feel better. Don’t you?

  2. 2

    Steve spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 11:50 am

    Dr Fauci’s faceplant while the DJIA was taking it’s usual nosedive as Doctor Dumbfuck’s orange moron was spewing nonsense….priceless.

  3. 3

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 11:53 am

    My favorite Thai takeout place has changed their landing page to a “public statement” about their “response to the COVID-19 pandemic”.

    This has gone too far.

    Not every business and organization needs to develop a public response to the COVID-19 pandemic. I’d say if you aren’t in healthcare, emergency services, critical service, critical supply, or critical retail you probably don’t have a public role to play and you shouldn’t try to discover one either.

    Do whatever you do as well as you can for as long as you can. If you can work from home do it. If you are ordered to close your place of business, then do it and go home. Maybe leave a note on the door so people aren’t confused.

  4. 4

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:14 pm

    Since about half of America is right now in the process of discovering that their residential “high-speed” internet is basically bullshit, and since keeping those meager services running will be crucial to surviving the GOP/CPACvirus meltdown, maybe it’s about time we regulated these motherfuckers like utilities?

  5. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:16 pm

    @3 “Maybe leave a note on the door so people aren’t confused.”

    A note on their website would be better so people don’t have to go to their door to find out. Even an awkwardly or ostentatiously worded one. Maybe there are people who will write PC notes for a fee.

  6. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:20 pm

    @4 We used to. We also used to regulate how airplanes had to be built before the public could fly on them. Deregulation is a Republican thing.

  7. 7

    @godwinha spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:26 pm

    Steve, of course, can continue to use the word “traitor” at will. ’cause otherwise he can’t construct a sentence to save his life.

    IT’S TIME FOR THE COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS TO STOP USING WORDS LIKE “RACISM,” “XENOPHOBIA,” “HATE,” AND “HATEFUL” SO INDISCRIMINATELY.

    On March 20, 2020, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights issued a statement expressing “grave concern” and “alarm[]” over “recent demonstrations of violence and hate toward people of Asian descent.” It warns of a “growing anti-Asian racism and xenophobia.” For the reasons we will explain below, we declined to support that statement.

    We agree, of course, that COVID-19 is no excuse for anyone to attack or insult individuals of Asian descent and that when such acts rise to the level of criminal behavior, law enforcement should immediately intervene. But that’s obvious to just about everyone in America. The rare exception is unlikely to read the Commission’s statement, much less be persuaded by it.

    It is important to keep things in perspective. Given that the population of the United States is estimated to be over 330,000,000, the litany of incidents in the Commission’s statement is really quite small; most involve misbehavior by children or teenagers. Yes, a nine-year-old child in New Jersey was told by a classmate, “You’re Chinese, so you must have coronavirus.” But that’s why we send nine-year-olds to school; they’ve got a lot to learn. For adults to view the statement as hateful would be over the top. We’re talking about a child.

    More serious is the case of the New York teenager who kicked an Asian-American man in the back, knocking him to the ground. Surely that is (and should be) a matter for the police. Fortunately, there is nothing to show this thuggish behavior represents a wave of racial violence.

    Here is our biggest objection: The Commission make the ill-advised suggestion that referring to COVID-19 with terms like “Chinese coronavirus” is somehow fueling “[t]his latest wave of xenophobic animosity toward Asian Americans.” It is common to refer to infectious diseases by their geographic origin. Examples include Asian flu, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, Brazilian hemorrhagic fever, Ebola, German measles, Japanese encephalitis, Lyme disease, Marburg virus, Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), Pontiac fever, Rift Valley fever, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, Spanish flu, Venezuelan hemorrhagic fever, and West Nile virus. In the case of Spanish flu, it was probably a misnomer. That disease likely originated in Kansas instead. But calling it the Spanish flu was never an indication that people hated Spaniards. It was simply a case in which the Spanish press reported on the flu extensively while the American press was preoccupied with World War I and subject to censorship. People therefore made the mistake of believing it originated in Spain.

    It is counter-productive to hector the American people (or its leaders) about describing the COVID-19 as “Chinese” or as having originated in China. It did originate there. Ordinary Americans—of all races and ethnicities—who harbor no ill will toward anyone don’t like to have the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights imply that that they are fueling the flames of xenophobic animosity. We can’t blame them. It is insulting.

    Our colleagues on the Commission close their statement by writing under the current circumstances no American should be “ostracized solely because of their race or national origin.” That is certainly sensible enough. We would add that Americans should not be ostracized on account of false accusations that their conduct has been racist, xenophobic and hateful. The promiscuous use of those terms needs to stop.

    Gail Heriot & Peter N. Kirsanow, Members, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights

    I hope none of y’all catch the Wuhan virus.

  8. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:37 pm

    While I’m on that subject, here’s how laissez-faire capitalism works in theory:

    1. No need for government regulation because the market will efficiently sort out any shortcomings in products or services.

    2. For example, if you build shitty airplanes, and a couple of them crash in quick succession and kill 346 people, the problem will fix itself because the public won’t fly on them and the manufacturer won’t be able to sell them, so the company can be counted on to fix the defects and get the planes flying again, and probably 10 times faster than if they have government regulators peering over their shoulders, because if they don’t they will go bankrupt.

    3. Then, if the plane still isn’t fixed, and crashes again and kills even more people, the company will be even more highly incentivized to fix the damn thing, because now it’s staring bankruptcy right in the face. This is much more efficient, and gets the planes flying much faster, than if you have government regulators poring over the blueprints and engineering reports and fussing over things like switches and the location of wiring bundles.

    4. If the plane still isn’t fixed, and crashes again and kills even more people, the company will go out of business and the vacuum will be filled by a new competitor that does a better job and builds a better product. This is the classic formula of how progress and improvements are made in a hands-off, laissez-faire economic system.

    See how easy that is? Everything will sort itself out, and quickly, if you don’t interfere and let the market sort out the inevitable glitches that occur in designing and making complex modern products.

    And it works just as well for simple products, too, like baby pajamas that catch fire, toys that choke children, and car seats that strangle toddlers. If you make a product that kills children in an agonizing manner, people will stop buying it, and you’ll either have to make a better product and go out of business.

    Who needs government regulation? It just fouls up the gears of commerce and distorts the natural order of things. It’s kinda like distant bureaucrats in D.C. telling local officials to close their tourist beaches during a global pandemic of an extremely contagious and often fatal virus for which there’s no vaccine or treatment. What do those bureaucrats know? They should leave such decisions to local leaders, who always know what’s best for their communities, taking into consideration local needs.

    Laissez-faire, baby! It’s the only way to go!

  9. 9

    @godwinha spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:38 pm

    Goldy, it’s honest work. No one is paying them to shill.

    Goldy✔
    @GoldyHA

    Garbage truck just picked up my trash while blaring “Stayin’ Alive” on the radio—an oddly uplifting soundtrack for these shelter-in-place times.

    2h

    That’s why it seems odd to you.

  10. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:45 pm

    @7 “I hope none of y’all catch the Wuhan virus.”

    Glad to see you read my comment @ 3/18/20 #88 and took it to heart.

  11. 11

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:45 pm

    Geezus. Did all that copypasta really neeeeeed to be in blockquote?

    That thing is really falling apart.

  12. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:47 pm

    @9 So you think you’re an honest man because nobody’s paying you to shill for Trumpublicans?

    Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

  13. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:49 pm

    @11 He probably didn’t even read all of it. The only part he’s interested in is a NY teenager kicking the shit out of an Asia man for no reason.

    That, by the way, is the “free market” enforcing a laissez-faire quarantine. Dumbfuck, as a Libertarian free-market acolyte, should be all-in for that kind of thing.

  14. 14

    Steve spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:53 pm

    “Gail Heriot & Peter N. Kirsanow, Members, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights”

    Too funny. Two Republicans. Racist traitors like Doctor Dumbfuck, no doubt.

    Your dumbfuck desperation to avoid responsibility for your treason and for your orange moron fucking up the Covid-19 response is hilarious, Doctor. Sad for you, your treason and your orange moron’s abject failure at protecting our nation isn’t funny at all.

  15. 15

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 12:55 pm

    8,
    You left out:

    5. Then Republicans in the Senate demand a bailout for the company and it’s incompetent board of directors.

    6. Then Tom Cotton attaches an amendment to the bailout bill requiring the company to change it’s private insurance plan to eliminate reproductive healthcare services for women.

    7. The GOP president cat-food-brain has a rally and claims he won the trade war over airplanes.

    8. Then FOX news repeats the stupid claim.

    9. Then PJ media fabricates a story claiming that their secret undercover Boat Full ‘O Dildos investigative reporters uncovered a sinister plot at the airplane company to slaughter babies and eat them which was thwarted by Tom Cotton’s amendment.

    10. Then unhinged pathological liar troll who every two years claims to return from the dead cites the fake PJ story.

    11. Then bot-farm pussy bandwagons the hell out of it.

    12. Lather, rinse, repeat.

  16. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 1:00 pm

    @15 I left them out because none of these things fit into the principles of laissez-faire capitalism. Haven’t you figured out yet that Republicans are neo-Marxists emulating the Russian corruption model?

  17. 17

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 1:01 pm

    Republican CPACvirus denier just infected the entire Georgia State Legislature.

    I think maybe the entire tribe should be placed into quarantine until the danger of stupidity has passed. IOW forever.

  18. 18

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 1:04 pm

    16,
    Try telling that to the Mao-troll. Who btw, according to the bot-farm pussy troll is not the least bit racist by spewing all that angry anti-Chinese argle-bargle.

  19. 19

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 1:13 pm

    One of the problems facing public health officials is that if one of the many private companies working on developing a covid-19 vaccine comes up with one, they’ll be tempted to charge whatever the market will bear, and that’s a problem because,

    “Any vaccine for the coronavirus would have to made available to everyone, not just the ‘haves,’ WHO officials said, … adding the world won’t be protected from the coronavirus unless everybody is vaccinated.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/who-officials-say-at-least-20-coronavirus-vaccines-are-in-development-in-global-race-for-cure.html

    But that’s easy enough. Patents are creatures of government: Created, granted, and enforced by government. You just suspend the patent and give public necessity precedence over private property rights. Eminent domain, baby. Pay them their costs and a reasonable incentive, and take it over.

    Would you argue that the scientists who developed the A-bomb should have been able to patent it and sell it to the highest bidder? Should the free market determine who gets polio shots, or which covid-19 patients get life-saving ventilators?

    Covid-19 is a global emergency. Any vaccine or treatment for it should belong to nobody, it should be in the commons. Give the geniuses who come up it with a Nobel Prize, a parade, and promotions; honorary Ph.D.s, tenured positions, even labs of their own. But no stock options. This situation calls for a socialist, not a capitalist, outcome.

  20. 20

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 1:16 pm

    Responding to RR 247 previous thread,

    Just so you know, Loeffler had never previously ordered any trading in her accounts since taking office prior to that one. Then, on Jan 24 the day of her classified CPACvirus intel briefing, she and her husband sold off everything in one of their companies. And in the days that followed sold off millions more. Then when they were safely out, on Feb 28th she released a statement scolding Democrats for “raising alarms” and announced that Trump and WH were doing a great job and that there was nothing to worry about.

  21. 21

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 1:17 pm

    @18 By asking me to educate the Mao-troll, you’re asking for the impossible. I trust you realize that.

  22. 22

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 1:33 pm

    @20 That might be something for a Biden-appointed U.S. Attorney to look at next year.

  23. 23

    RedReformed spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 2:22 pm

    Looking at the stock market, you could see the point where the impeached miserable failure started his daily press conference.

    “What do you say to all the scared Americans?” Citing statistical facts about death tolls.
    “I’d say you’re a terrible reporter.”

    Did John King call what Trump said “bullshit” live on CNN today?

  24. 24

    RedReformed spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 5:46 pm

    http://horsesass.org/drinking-.....nt-1397943
    @godwinha spews: Tuesday, 3/3/20 at 1:21 pm
    US deaths from coronavirus infection (so far): 7 257
    Tennessee deaths from last night’s tornado (so far): 21 24

    404 Cases which had an outcome:
    147 (36%) Recovered / Discharged
    257 (64%) Deaths

    This one is specifically for the racist incel: Testicle-eating festival is latest event to be canceled by coronavirus pandemic

  25. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 6:29 pm

    Friday Evening News Roundup

    Doctors and nurses surveyed by NBC News said “This system is doomed.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/system-doomed-doctors-nurses-sound-nbc-news-coronavirus-survey-n1164841

    A Pence staffer tested Covid-19 positive. Pence’s office denies the staffer had “close contact” with anybody important.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/staffer-vice-president-mike-pence-tests-positive-coronavirus-n1165371

    Americans stranded in Honduras feel abandoned and complain they’re getting no help from their government in returning home. They’re Hondurans now.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-california-issues-stay-home-order-no-new-local-n1164541/ncrd1165406#liveBlogHeader

  26. 26

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 6:46 pm

    Trump can claim to have eliminated yet another holdover from Obama:
    The entire post 2008 jobs recovery. Gone in just two weeks.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lamvo/coronavirus-update-charts-unemployment-claims-laid-off-jobs

    And he’s only getting started.

  27. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 6:49 pm

    I’ve talked with Steve’s (aka Seattle Jew’s) wife by phone and it sounds like she’s okay and is getting help with things needing to be done. She doesn’t know how or where he picked up Covid-19. He’d had a severe bout of pneumonia in December, and he became very sick on Saturday and went to the hospital on Monday. There’s no one looking after his blog right now, so I told her I’d do it for now on an informal and ad hoc basis. Steve long ago gave me full access, so I can post, edit, or remove articles and comments. Shortbus, after getting banned from HA, likes to post comments there, so this means among other things that I’m his editor now whether he likes it or not.

  28. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 6:56 pm

    @26 I think it’s fair, since he habitually claims credit for things he has no control over, to blame him for things he has no control over.

  29. 29

    @godwinha spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 8:07 pm

    @ 25

    Americans stranded in Honduras feel abandoned and complain they’re getting no help from their government in returning home. They’re Hondurans now.

    On NPR this morning I listed to an interview of a woman stuck with her family in Peru after the inbound and outbound flights were prohibited.

    She claimed that on the date of her departure, March 8, there was no reason to think there might be an endemic/pandemic health problem that could affect their vacation or return. Which is total bullshit but was not challenged by the interviewer.

    The Americans stuck in Honduras aren’t abandoned, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit. They’re potential vectors. Stupid ones.

  30. 30

    @godwinha spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 8:13 pm

    Me @ 7:

    Steve, of course, can continue to use the word “traitor” at will. ’cause otherwise he can’t construct a sentence to save his life.

    Steve @ 14:

    Three uses of ‘traitors’ or ‘treason’ within two sentences.

  31. 31

    @godwinha spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 8:22 pm

    Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit well on his way to destroying the online legacy of a man who deserved far better.

    You embarrass people who trust you, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit. I knew it was you who authored the one POS post I read there just now, even before I saw your name.

    First, do no harm. You’re a useless shill and you lower the standards in any debate you enter. Since you can’t help yourself but to enter every debate there is, you’ll lower the standard of that entire blog, and not slowly, either.

    Sunset the blog. Leave the man’s legacy alone.

    Seriously, man. You are awful.

  32. 32

    @godwinha spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 8:28 pm

    Four Community Transit bus drivers have tested positive for the Wuhan virus. The infections do not appear to be directly related.

    So what does Community Transit do? It makes the fare free. Now there’s no disincentive for jumping on a bus and giving your disease to another human being.

    WTF.

  33. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 9:13 pm

    @29 You’re also a potential vector — we all are — and I suspect some posters here might argue you’re stupid, too. I hope the horse isn’t letting you out of the barn.

    If stupidity was contagious, everyone who touches this blog would be lobotomized. Fortunately it’s not, and we have only one brain-dead zombie here. He just returned after being absent for two years.

  34. 34

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 9:14 pm

    Clearly the troll has lost most of its investments, both financial as well as political. I have never seen it more vicious and hate-filled.

    It did all this to itself, ushering in all this sadness, misery, and loss – Rushing the cockpit knowing that it would surely bring down the plane.

    Well BRACE! BRACE! BRACE!

    Motherfucker.

  35. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 9:15 pm

    @31 Care to entertain us by identifying which POS post you’re referring to?

  36. 36

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 9:16 pm

    33,
    That incompetent troll thing is already on record as a CPACvirus denier.

    It should be sealed inside its tornado shelter until all danger of conservatism has passed.

  37. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 9:18 pm

    @32 Yeah, they should triple the fare for people testing positive to disincentivize the homeless and other people you don’t like from riding the buses. For a really comprehensive policy, no one who attended CPAC or has attended a Pence event in the last 14 days should be allowed on the buses at all. Make it 30 days to be on the safe side.

  38. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 9:24 pm

    @34 Rushing the cockpit isn’t the problem. There can come a time to rush the cockpit and consequences be damned. Rushing the cockpit when the plane hasn’t been hijacked and there’s no one but the pilots in there is the problem.

  39. 39

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 10:09 pm

    37,
    It’s worried about riding CT.

    So it can no longer afford the ferry vehicle fare or the fuel for the horse truck on the weekly trip to Airport Video in Mukilteo to recruit bulls for MaryKay.

    Such troubled times. At least for CPACvirus deniers. Virtue signaling to the tribe cost them everything, while the tribal leaders sold at the top of the market.

    #owngoal

  40. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 10:51 pm

    @39 It was interesting to read its rant about me sullying the “legacy” of Late Steve’s blog given that I’ve been posting roughly half the content over there for several years, and therefore the “legacy” it referred to is about 50% mine. It must not read the fine print in that blog.

  41. 41

    Elijah SFA McDotcom spews:

    Friday, 3/20/20 at 11:03 pm

    Read the fine print?

    This pathetic thing has been reduced to arguing that “trusting” the official reports of communist dictators was a reasonable course for US security to pursue in response to a potential pandemic.

    Hate radio programmed meat robots never read fine print.

  42. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Saturday, 3/21/20 at 7:28 am

    @41 There’s no evidence he “trusted” the official reports of communist dictators. But there’s evidence he distrusted his intelligence agencies, although that won’t be news to anyone, to wit:

    “President Donald Trump ignored reports from US intelligence agencies starting in January that warned of the scale and intensity of the coronavirus outbreak in China, The Washington Post reported Friday.

    “Citing US officials familiar with the agencies’ reports and warnings, the Post reported that intelligence agencies depicted the nature and global spread of the virus and China’s apparent downplaying of its severity, as well as the potential need for government measures to contain it — while Trump opted to dismiss or simply not address their seriousness.

    “‘Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it,’ the official noted to the Post. ‘The system was blinking red.'”

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/politics/us-intelligence-reports-trump-coronavirus/index.html

    Yeah, who cares? Kinda reminds you of Bush Junior ignoring the intel reports about al Qaeda, doesn’t it? Ignoring national security threats seems to be habitual with GOP presidents. Back in the day, they didn’t see Hitler coming, either.

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