I put this out on Twitter, but nobody responded. Rather than take the hint, I’m going to burn an Open Thread talking about a non-Washingotn thing for longer than I’d like. And it’s almost certainly nonsense. You’re welcome and sorry and you’re welcome.
At what point do we cross the 14th Amendment threshold for denying people office?
After the Civil War, Congress passed the 13th Amendment outlawing slavery. It also passed the 14th and 15th Amendments to try to make sure that it wasn’t just slavery, and that the slave population was integrated into society. So the 15th Amendment is an attempt to make sure you couldn’t stop people from voting based on race.
The 14th Amendment was a bit of a grab bag. People think of it as making sure that equal protection and rights apply to states. And maybe they know that’s where the if you’re born in the US you’re automatically a citizen bit of the Constitution comes from. It certainly has that. But, it also has some other stuff: We’re not going to honor confederate money or debts, and since slaves are free we’re not paying to free them.
For my question, I’m referring specifically to section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Obviously, they meant the Civil War, but it has been used to block people from taking office since then. It doesn’t say how or when we should determine if people “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof” and doesn’t offer any burden of proof.
Have people in the Trump administration, or who might join it, passed that bar? It wouldn’t apply to Trump, since January 20 was the first time he took an oath to support the Constitution. On the other hand, it’s looking more and more like Flynn was working with Russia to fuck up a US election. We aren’t at war with Russia, but then again, we weren’t technically at war in Korea or Viet Nam, but surely it would have counted then. If there are other officials who subverted American democracy, do they need 2/3 of both houses before they can serve again, and what happens if they’re already serving when we get proof but they don’t resign?
Why do I get the feeling that DerTrumper considers surrendering the South China Sea just a cost of doing so much business with the Chinese.
Like they spent a lot of money so here’s a comp at the buffet.
Trump lies. News actually cites facts. Trump, “I was given that information.”
Think for a sec. who gave it to me? Why? You’re fired.
Someone please put an article about batboy on his desk and see how long before he comments publicly. Put the Clinton death list in front of him. Hell put info about jet fuel re steel melting in front of him. Please. Practical jokes are all we have left. Chemtrails? Masons?
Another day, another race to see which witless sister-fucking uncouth hillbilly will be first to post some FSB sponsored lunacy suggesting that either a past President vacationing in Hawaii or a retired Sec. State working quietly on her memoirs in upstate NY are the greatest existential threat to Democracy.
#midtermsarecoming
A lawyer for a Seattle immigrant with no criminal record detained by ICE alleges ICE agents doctored paperwork to make it appear the man admitted to being a gang member.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/la.....-doctored/
Looks like the ICE are a bunch of perjurers in this Texas case, too:
“ICE agents wrote in an affidavit used to detain Gonzalez that they approached and took her into custody outside the courthouse,” even though courthouse security cameras clearly show them taking Gonzalez into custody inside the building.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cu.....cial-says/
Maybe judges shouldn’t believe anything the ICE says?
Why do Republicans have such big mouths? And lack the civilized decency that liberals have? It must be their upbringing — they were all raised in barns by surrogate goat mothers.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tr.....y-remarks/
Six White House staff were fired today because they failed to pass their FBI background checks, “which includes questions on the applicant’s credit score, substance use and other personal subjects.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/.....ubexchange
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Mmmm, yeah, deadbeat drug abusers sounds about right.
Meanwhile, Drumpf’s plan to round up 11,000,000 immigrants has come to light, and of course, is being denied:
“President Donald Trump’s administration is considering mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, according to a draft copy of an order obtained by The Associated Press on Friday.
“Though the AP reported that the memo was written by U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, the White House quickly denied that the report was true. ‘100% false. There is no effort to use the National Guard to round up,’ White House press secretary Sean Spicer said in an email to The Huffington Post.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....d17d271bcb?
Roger Rabbit Commentary: As this averages out to 110 immigrants per soldier, they’re going to be busy soldiers. And, of course, they’ll make mistakes because they have no training in immigration enforcement. Your mother could end up in Honduras, for example, because she has a Hispanic-sounding name on her driver’s license, e.g. “Jones” or “Smith” or “Johnson.” On the other hand, they might deport Boob and Poodybutt, too, so maybe it won’t be all bad.
Are the demonstrators against free speech at Berkeley or the people who tear up downtown Seattle every May 1st civilized decent liberals?
At what point do we cross the 14th Amendment threshold for denying people office?
At the point you ignore Electoral College results so that the popular vote winner can be installed as president instead, you have crossed that threshold by denying the Electoral College vote winner that which is afforded him – or her – by the Constitution. You also have crossed the threshold by denying those voters who supported the Electoral College winner their representation.
Not that you care.
@ 7
Jamie Dupree ✔ @jamiedupree
DHS confirms that the memo reported by AP did exist; but they said it was “never seriously considered” https://twitter.com/DoreyScheimer/status/832621620028018688 …
8:05 AM – 17 Feb 2017
Thanks for playing, tho.
Since you brought it up, remember that time Obama ordered National Guard troops to the US/Mexico border?
Jeryl Bier
@JerylBier
2011: “The 1,200 National Guard troops have helped Border Patrol agents apprehend 25,514 illegal immigrants…”
7:29 AM – 17 Feb 2017
Ah, but that was when Obama was president, so shut up, you will argue.
(((Goldy))) @GoldyHA
Hey @AmericanAir, you just bullied my 80-year-old mother off Flight #1822 in PHL, & made her walk down jetway w/out wheelchair?!
53m
A good son would help his mother himself.
I bet Paul Ryan could make some time to wheel Goldy’s mother around a bit.
Even when they do it to themselves?
Chuck ToddVerified account
@chucktodd
This not a laughing matter. I’m sorry, delegitimizing the press is unAmerican
10:44 AM – 16 Feb 20
’cause I thought Mary Mapes/Dan Rather and Brian Williams were pretty fucking funny.
you have crossed that threshold by denying the Electoral College vote winner that which is afforded him
Duhr, you mean like refusing to take a vote on an eminently qualified SCOTUS nominee? Or dozens of other nominees?
Hillbillies gonna hillbilly.
Not that it could possibly be persuasive to a beer drunk fake patriot toothless ignorant hillbilly scum traitor eager to trade his sovereign freedom to a foreign dictator in exchange for a few moments of BENGHAAAAAZIIIIII triumph, but your team of incompetent bumblefucks have only themselves to blame for this catastrophe. They have it all. And the best they seem capable of extracting from it is a series of small tax cuts for billionaires, an endless parade of meaningless and illegal Executive Orders, and maybe a few
show trialsWatergate style cover ups. Trailer Trump America is squandering it’s last tattered shreds of credibility for the sake of the renaming rights to Obamacare.You bought it. Now own it.
It all begins with do Repukes really care about about the Constitution ? Or do they just fake believe it to be a governing “document”.
Forget about trying to understand what is written, why understand it if you like bending all the rules and say that the rules only apply to “others”? Why debate it when there really is no debate?
They are fucking hypocrites. A bunch of fraudsters.
LONG LIVE ITELAND – REAL HOME OF THE FREE BRAVE!
DHS confirms that the memo reported by AP did exist; but they said it was “never seriously considered”
So, in
otheraccurate words, the White House press sec lied when he denied that any such plan ever existed.Not only did such a plan exist, it was being considered seriously enough to put it into the form of an 11 page briefing memo to be passed around to enough of Team Derp that it was eventually leaked. Considered. Just not “seriously”.
Yes. They are fucked in the head. Just not “seriously”.
Thanks for playing, tho.
“At the point you ignore Electoral College results…”
If any of that ever happens your pathetic whine just might be justified. Of course, that whine would follow eight years of right-wing nutjobs making up shit about the previous president being a Kenyan* and not their president. And that’s not to mention gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter fraud and your whining, unhinged candidate, and now whining, unhinged president, pleading with Russia’s dictator for help in stealing an election. Help which you received.
*Which is what you and the present occupant of the White House did, with him leading the charge. So if you and he have any issues with progressive disrespect for Trump, then fuck you, you fucking traitor.
Obama sending 1,200 National Guard troops to the border is a little bit different than Trump sending 100,000 into our nation’s cities. Not that our whining traitor gives a shit. After all, insipid whiners must whine insipidly.
Of course, there’s nothing strange at all about believing gladiator battles took place between dinosaurs, giants and humans.
“Creationist Ken Ham: Dinosaurs fought gladiator battles against humans and giants”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/0.....nd-giants/
Sales tax on Hillbilly pickups to pay for the wall;
Skyrocketing prices on hillbilly candy Viagra and Oxy;
$20 trillion debt ceiling endowment to the hillbilly grandkids;
No more health insurance tax credits for hillbillies;
Privatized hillbilly Medicare now with bigger cuts(!);
So much winning in just four weeks! No wonder Preznit Bumblefuck McDerp needs another Florida vacation. And another 204 weeks to go! Lots more Trailer Trump winning to look forward to (lots more Florida vacations too)!
Well well, looks like Trump and his pubbie friends are starting to run into mathematical reality.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/17.....eform.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: If it were easy to give everybody tax cuts without increasing deficits, politicians would have done it a long time ago. Wait for it: “Cutting taxes for corporations and rich people will grow the economy so much that revenues will go up and deficits will go down!” That’s called Republican Math, and if we had used it to land people on the moon, they’d still be paddling a canoe back from Pluto.
@8 No, they’re anarchists, which is an extreme manifestation of libertarian ideology. Real liberals don’t destroy property. We tax it.
@10 When did Obama consider deploying 100,000 National Guardsmen to round up 11,000,000 illegals? I don’t recall reading that news report. Can you provide a link to it?
@11 Is this your mother, Boob?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U
@12 My mistake. That’s Goldy’s mother. Yours is next in the queue.
@13 Yes, much better to let fascist traitors who daydream about fucking their own daughters tell their lies unchallenged by an annoying press.
Just like our Doctor Dumbfuck. After posting 3,000 pro-Putin hashtags claiming Hillary Clinton to be a crook, the lying piece of shit couldn’t identify a single fucking crime she had ever committed.
“Furious caller hilariously flops after radio host asks him to name just one media lie about Trump”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/0.....out-trump/
@14 “an endless parade of meaningless and illegal Executive Orders”
In this context, “Executive Orders” and “Eyman initiatives” seem interchangeable.
@19 Ham probably doesn’t believe that shit himself, but it sells tickets to the rubes.
26,
tragic, right?
No. Not right. These people are mental defectives. They shit their own beds every night. They cannot be changed. They will not be changed. There is absolutely nothing you, or I, or Goldy, or Obama, or “Muffin the World-Famous Carpet-Shitting Pony” will ever write, say, or do that will change that. Ever.
Reasonably, only maybe 25% of The Hillbilly Jesus voters are this completely, insanely, self-destructively professionally stupid. The other 75% were simply long-conned into swallowing down the “crooked” throat yogurt and voting for “the least unfavorable”. These casually stupid dupes are the problem. They believe they did the right thing by “setting aside their deep misgivings” about The Hillbilly Jesus for the sake of “party unity”, or “change”, or some other fully meaningless reason that truly stupid people recruit out of thin air to make it sound like they even bothered to give it much thought between binge watching The Bachelorette and washing down frozen pizza rolls with quarts of Dr. Pepper.
It’s useless to try to shame an asshole like Doctor Dumbfuck. He’s proud of being an asshole. Assholes don’t experience shame. He participated with enthusiasm like any good Nazi and now he demands a victory lap through the burning ruins of his party. He carried wood to the fire. Let him enjoy the warmth while he can.
Fake news!
“Trump sets internet ablaze after calling the media ‘the enemy of the American people’”
“The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/0.....an-people/
I just hope he didn’t give it to Ivanka.
“A Medical Theory for Donald Trump’s Bizarre Behavior”
“Many mental health professionals believe the president is ill. But what if the cause is an untreated STD?”
https://newrepublic.com/article/140702/medical-theory-donald-trumps-bizarre-behavior
Sounds like the emperor is preparing to arrest journalists. “Enemy of the people” would be the charge. Any guess who will be first?
“Any guess who will be first?”
The last one to piss him off. If it happened today it could even be Chris Wallace of Fox News.
“Chris Wallace slams conservative media hypocrisy: ‘You shouldn’t fall into line’ when Trump attacks”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/0.....p-attacks/
@10:
So, securing a national border is not a legitimate function for a country’s army to perform?
Impressively, given your demonstrated confusion concerning 14th Amendement disqualification and the Electoral College, your failure to understand the purpose of having an army is only your second biggest Constitutional-comprehension failure. In this thread.
Thanks for the laughs!
This is really pathetic. Poll the fascist base, get the poll results his ego needs to see. And while he’s at it, hit the Nazi stupes up for money.
“President Trump polls supporters with ‘mainstream media’ survey”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....;ocid=iehp
Too bad the double-posting (and proud of it) loon already gave all his money to Carson.
Where’s the babbling buttwipe? It’s too FUNNY taunting the tool as it puts HA FIRST before entering its cage.
Sunset is at 5:36pm..
The countdown commences!!!
10.. 9.. 8.. 7.. 6.. 5..
FREEEEEDOM!!!
Woo hooo!
Savor it fellow HAers!
An HA comment threads FREE of the babbling buttwipe troll!
It is sooooo nice!
Gotta run an errand.. Enjoy this very special time of the week, fellow HA HEROES when the HA comment threads are RID of the annoying, obnoxious babbling of that babbling jackass of a troll.
@9, when you learn to read for understanding as opposed to just typing nonsense that you think happened, this commenting thing might just come together. Until then, maybe don’t try to engage with arguments I clearly didn’t make.
XOXO
Carl @ 40
Your first incorrect assumption is that anything you wrote is clear. Before you added to it, I mean.
“denying those voters……their representation”
That’s how you fascists roll. Denying voters their representation by gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter fraud and begging a fascist Russian dictator to help you steal an election.
Not that you care. You’re a fucking traitor.
Your first incorrect assumption is that anything you wrote is clear.
Lame. Carl busted you for your confused whining about the Electoral College, which has nothing to do with his post about the 14th Amendment, and you reply with a false swipe at his writing.
As we begin to look at the very real possibility that more members of this administration may have been in the pay of a foreign country, we can count upon folks like you to try dodging and deflecting attention from it. We just expect you to get ever more unintentionally humorous in your desperation, not just become as predictably dull as our many other trolls.
15
So……when yuh movhin?
@44
https://youtu.be/AKC8pSFg1Vw
Did you notice the fetid gaseous arschloch used three posts for the Friday night countdown?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Puddy PWNS this baka!
A death squad tasked with (among other things) assassinating PLO and other Palestinian political leaders, along with their wives, fathers, mothers, children and next door neighbors. They were pretty much a mini Israeli version of the Einsatzgruppen, which it was in fact patterned after.
Now when you search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayeret_Matkal on the libtard site WikiPedia do you find what the vomit producing dead toad wrote? NOPE! So why does the vomit producing dead toad skip a link for the BULLSHITTIUM it leaves?
Scared?
DUMMOCRETIN are SCUM!
One had to search to find this butt, the $558 million that Congress approved for the California drought relief December 2016 was spent on this rain. Thanks Governor Moonbeam Brown!! That was money well spent 😁! Too bad, there wasn’t any left to fix the Oroville dam spillway.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politic.....al-n711226
FBI Finds Nothing Amiss in Flynn-Russia Eavesdrop: Official
Wow Carl. This was known a few weeks ago. And you still wrote that crap in the thread heading. So why are you and Elijah Cummings so stoooooooooooopid?
And yet DUMMOCRETIN are SCUM!
More libtard news on the same subject… http://nymag.com/daily/intelli.....-call.html
FBI Says There’s Nothing Improper in Michael Flynn’s Chat With Russian Ambassador
“The FBI has found no improper communication between National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and a Russian diplomat, say U.S. intelligence officials. Flynn, then adviser to President-elect Donald Trump, spoke with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak on December 29, the same day the Obama administration imposed a slew of sanctions on Russia for its alleged interference in the presidential elections. The FBI intercepted and listened in on the call as part of “routine electronic surveillance,” officials told the Washington Post. Flynn, officials also said, was himself not a target of any investigation.”
So why are DUMMOCRETINS screaming over nothing? Because they hate Donald Trump!
So why are Carl and Elijah Cummings so stoooooooooooopid?
Because DUMMOCRETIN are SCUM!
Another libtard fishwrapper…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....story.html
FBI finds nothing illicit in Michael Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador
“The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn – national security adviser to then-President-elect Donald Trump – but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said.
The calls were picked up as part of routine electronic surveillance of Russian officials and agents in the United States, which is one of the FBI’s responsibilities, according to the U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss counterintelligence operations.”
So why are DUMMOCRETINS screaming over nothing? Because they hate Donald Trump!
So why are Carl and Elijah Cummings so stoooooooooooopid?
Because DUMMOCRETIN are SCUM!
And yet… If it’s in Daily Kooks, DUMMOCRETINS run to the press or create threads on it like Carl! It’s gospel! http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....ian-Call-s
Puddy looks at this foolish web site all the time. How do you think Puddy knows what you write about?
So why are DUMMOCRETINS screaming over nothing? Because they hate Donald Trump!
So why are Carl and Elijah Cummings so stoooooooooooopid?
Because DUMMOCRETIN are SCUM!
And here is another libtard rag. http://www.npr.org/sections/th.....wrongdoing
Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn’s Calls Don’t Show Criminal Wrongdoing
“A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn’t rule out the possibility of illegal actions.
The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don’t suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.”
Hello Carl! Still trusting those useless libtard rags?
So why are DUMMOCRETINS screaming over nothing? Because they hate Donald Trump!
So why are Carl and Elijah Cummings so stoooooooooooopid?
Because DUMMOCRETIN are SCUM!
Carl the entirety of the 14th Amendment is part of the Constitution until it’s repealed. The fact Congress used or misused the 14th Amendment during the Red Scare of 1919 just shows there are areas of friction in the constitution, and parts that are politically ignored such as full implementation of the census and congress creating more Congressional seats.
The case you refer to was an entirely wrong, and shameful period of our national government. To suggest the 14th Amendment to be used in the manner you suggest is equally wrong. Even the most callous Machiavellian would not go down the road your suggesting. First you have to have the votes in congress. 2nd the party in charge implementing it is purely interested in one party permanent rule. Then there is the point that you and others on this list want a President Pence? A Pence able to place his party in perpetual power as those are the keys you would hand him. You Trump so much you end the Republic? You would end the United States? Is Trump the danger or you and sycophants in your camp?
@4 Guess a couple of immigration judges will have an interesting case in front of them. Like they don’t know or suspect that ICE agents are not always boy and girl scouts. What is the guys attorney going to say? My dudes a gang banger. The old man apparently is a bad dude, seems his attorney should be concerned his client said he was a gang banger out of sarcasm.
The woman in Texas you are playing with wording, and technicalities. The difference between arrest and taking someone into custody or downtown is open to some interpretation, and some political niceties giving deference to jurisdiction, but is the immigration judge going to care if taking into custody took place in the building or outside, although clearly she was arrested in the building.
@3 Midterms are a long ways away, and if Democrats piss off voters or put a sour feeling in their stomachs because they are after mid term victories those victories maybe mythical and pyric. Too many demonstrations and holding things up may not desired effect. If mid terms were held right now maybe Democrats would do well, but this could become very much the welcome quest overstaying. Or the attorney annoying the jury.
@5 Maybe they hang out with Wobblies. Too bad Democrats don’t hang out with Wobblies these days.
@7 If local government doesn’t want to cooperate then the President whoever it is should their options. He made a promise and it’s going to be hard for him to outdo the current holder of the deported in Chief award. An award any Republican would like to have. At least the man is on the right track to make good on his promises unlike the last guy in the office of President who by the way gave the current occupant more levers of power to actually do what he has promised. Not that we really care otherwise we would have had a new immigrant law sometime in the past two decades. You don’t care if those people are deported or not as long as you get your produce is cheap. As long as someone is working in the computer switch and you don’t have to pay for educating our Washington youth so they can be engineers, and computer scientists. You all on here don’t really care. This is just you hate Trump and nothing more. Written your state representative to build up our Washington state colleges and free college education for all Washington state citizens? Resounding silence.
@9 Of course the point that the Congress can deny anyone from taking the oath of office by a vote of Congress in the first kinda got glossed over. Some other section of the Constitution.
And perhaps they don’t understand and perhaps neither do you that it would be the Vice President who would become President. And then Congress would pick a new VP (probably someone Pence would pick). Doubt very muh Hilliary Clinton would become our second unelected VP who would be heart beat away from the Presidency. A President Cheney would totally rub that into VP Hilliary Clinton’s face It’s on Eveready America’s leading battery company Hilliary.
@12 VP Pence would definitely have helped Goldy’s 80 year old mom, As he would any of our elderly moms. He is a nice guy. Not sure I want him as President, but he is a nice guy as are most Hoosiers. Heck he probably enjoys walking around with little old ladies at airports than residing over the Senate. Anyone in their right mind would prefer the little old ladies at airports. The little old ladies in the Senate are a grouchy bunch.
@6 Only the ignorant make a big noise over 6 new staffers failing their security check. SF86 is a bear. It’s just as likely these folks were found not acceptable because they have a relative in another country, a relative in prison, ect. and it happens with every administration, and while applicants can challenge the FBI;s finding that is a long and drawn out process.
Happens with every new administration or when administrations hire new people, which usually happens each January but particularly the 2nd and 4th years of an administration.
@14 Maybe Democrats should start standing with workers in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan and other rust belt states.
Dust off those Support the Union label buttons.
@15 Well move your ass to Ireland and see how they uphold their Constitution. The one they will use to tell you that you are not welcome to stay, but please enjoy our hospitality and drink our beer. What no money. well then you are truly screwed in the Eire. Sorry no pots of gold here.
@16 Sounds like the Press Secretary did his job. And yes he or she in any administration is from to time or often a paid liar. Comes with the job. The Press Secretary didn’t announce Bin Ladin raid before hand and would have denied any such plans, up to the success, though had the Pakistani Air Force have shot down the copters and then bombed India the lying would have been epic.
And there is the Press Secretary must be willing to fall on their sword clause in the contract even if it’s unwritten. Their loyalty is expected and they will be awarded, even when it looks like they are being totally screwed. Remember they do know where the skeletons are buried, and when they are totally screwed their memoirs are juicy.
@18 And the ghosts of Johnson and Nixon are having a rare nice laugh with each other over National Guard call ups.
Bet our National Guard is called up first for this immigrant duty or for Korea. Be Washington State is number 1 on the list!!! We are number 1!!!!
@19 Happened on Star Trek. Kirk the Horotio Hornblower of the Federation Fleet fought dinosaurs, Klingons, Green Women. giants. space dragons, ect.
@19 So why can’t I find the odds on Fleet Street or in Vegas?
@21 Doesn’t matter. President proposes, Congress disposes.., and President excoriates Congress scoring points with base, completing the virtuous circle of Presidential political life..
@28 You found the odds, can’t be real fights without odds. Never find odds in Indiana except behind the bleachers of Indiana State Fair during the tack races.
@29 What you are talking about Americans. We are all fucking nuts. Just ask any European, they knew we are nuts even before the Great War, but they all wanted us in it. Just ask Bill Murray in Stripes.
“[breaking up a fight] Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell’s the matter with you?! Stupid! We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi. We’re not Spartans. We’re Americans, with a capital ‘A’, huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts! Here’s proof: his nose is cold! But there’s no animal that’s more faithful, that’s more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw Old Yeller? Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end? [raises his hand] Nobody cried when Old Yeller got shot? I’m sure. [hands are reluctantly raised] I cried my eyes out. [even more hands go up] So we’re all dogfaces. We’re all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to enlist in the Army. We’re mutants. There’s something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us! We’re soldiers, but we’re American soldiers! We’ve been kickin’ ass for 200 years! We’re 10 and 1! Now we don’t have to worry about whether or not we practiced. We don’t have to worry about whether Captain Stillman wants to have us hung. All we have to do is to be the great American fighting soldier that is inside each one of us. Now do what I do, and say what I say. And make me proud. Fall in!”
@31 You know it’s always a good question to ask what political party or parties those fine doctors belong too. We won’t find ant bias will we if the question is asked. Or is it hate for Trump and we don’t want to look in the mirror, and this is more fun and it feels almost as good as hand job. Satisfying unless you consider who President Trump is sleeping with and it becomes a bit dissatisfying. Fucking SOB Trump ruining my self love. He’s horrible! Just don’t think of the President having sex in the White House or on a private beach in Florida. If the President asks me I definitely recommend sex on the beach. The drink. The act. Bonus if enjoying the drink during the act.
@39 This would be more meaningful if the alleged troll had at least posted in the previous 12 hours since the thread had been started. I don’t think what your stating on here is freedom. and the point on here is for people to speak their minds, and if no one is dissenting or has other opinions then perhaps the freedom you are espousing doesn’t exist, or your expectations are not reasonable and run afoul of liberal idea of free speech, or you like the opportunity to be intellectually lazy. And I do not often agree with Puddy but he keeps me on my toes, and makes valid points from to time, and marches to his own drummer.
@42 You all are wrong. That is how Monarchists and Authoritarians role. Fascists have a love hate thing going with voting. After all they are a reactionary to this Democracy thing and Monarchy and communism.
@50 They should be asking why was Flynn taped, why was the conversation recorded when it became evident the new NSC was on the phone at which point recording should have ceased. Who released this material? Whistleblowers releasing classified material were arrested and jailed under Obama. Now it’s ok with Democrats. Is manipulation taking place? You all for President Pence?
54 through 74,
20 posts tacked on to the end of a dead comment thread that was left behind 24 hours earlier.
Are you familiar with the phrase “Let it go”?