– Phyllis Schlafly lies about Obama as night remains dark.
– I’d have mentioned this last week if I wasn’t on vacation, but my endorsements went 2 for 2 in the primary.
– Oh, Romney has a VP selection.
– In a twist, Ryan isn’t the deficit hawk he claims to be.
– The fact that Democrats have oppo research on him proves he’s great.
– Shaun has a good question about the vetting process.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Robin Hood In Reverse
“Romney put gentle but unmistakable distance between his agenda and Ryan’s hot-potato budget proposals on Sunday, a day after announcing his running mate’s selection.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48646789
Roger Rabbit Commentary: A day after veeping Ryan, Rmoney is backing away from Ryan’s scheme to finance new tax cuts for the wealthy by dumping more health care costs on Medicare and Medicaid recipients — people for whom these programs were created because they can’t afford health care.
The Republican meme will be, “we have to cut these programs to save them.” Yeah, just like Scott Walker forced Wisconsin’s public workers to give up $130 million of benefits in the name of balancing the state’s budget and then turned around and gave a $120 million tax break to wealthy manufacturers.
Next time you hear a conservative criticize Obama for calling
Romney “Robin Hood in reverse,” tell him Obama’s spot-on and the GOP is full of shit.
Serial Conservative spews:
This isn’t going to be another 2008 election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
Ezra Klein thinks Bowles knows what he’s talking about:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....secretary/
Expect to see this in an ad in the Fall.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@2 Keep telling yourself Republicans have a chance to win the White House if it makes you feel better, but every electoral vote map I’ve seen shows it’s damn near impossible.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 3
I suppose it’s what the election will be framed as. The economic forecasts, modeled into election results, say Obama’s a loser. The poll data right now say he’s a winner.
If Obama can make Americans think about things other than how their lives are going right now he may be re-elected.
Keep telling yourself Obama will be able to successfully spend the next three months convincing Americans that it’s all truth and butterflies out there.
Serial Conservative spews:
Finland, we have a problem:
http://www.rokemneedlearts.com.....g/?p=10416
I guess this one might not be A123’s fault. Which is too bad for Obama and those who agree with him that we should be sending taxpayer dollars to foreign countries to build cars that cost more than two years’ salary for the average American, because A123 might not be around much longer and it’s always easier to blame the dead guy.
Gman spews:
I just posted a few comments at SP – gives me the creeps just being on that site. Shitty site, I don’t like how the comments get posted. Creepy site.
Serial Conservative spews:
“If you’re going to criticize then you should propose,” Ryan told The New Yorker a few weeks ago. “People like me who are reform-minded ignore the people who say, ‘just criticize and don’t do anything, and let’s win by default.’ That’s ridiculous.”
http://thehill.com/opinion/col.....cking-ryan
Serial Conservative spews:
6. Gman spews:
I just posted a few comments at SP – gives me the creeps just being on that site.
Just think how the moderators at SP feel about having an anti-Semitic bigot from HA posting there.
Creepy doesn’t begin to describe it.
Gman spews:
@4 – my life under Obama has been perfectly fine, considering the mess he had to dig us out off. I’m probably in the top 10% for income, my life is great. And now even better – Thank You President Barack Obama.
rhp6033 spews:
Of course, the first question any reporter is going to ask Ryan is “how many years of tax returns did you submet to the Romney campaign as part of the vetting process”.
If he only gave two years, the clamor will go up that he hasn’t been sufficiently vetted. If the answer is more than two years, the pressure will be on Romney to release his own returns.
rhp6033 spews:
(Re-posted from old thread)
Calling Ryan’s budget plan as marely a “starting point for discussion” is just ridiculous. You don’t start serious negotiations by taking a position that is so irrational that it has no chance of suceeding.
Add to that Ryan’s insistence that only a few very minor points of his plan are negotiable, in return for a the Democrats completely dismantiling the last fifty years worth of “safety net”.
The Romney campaign is trying to introduce Ryan as someone “who knows how Washington works, and how to fix it”. If Ryan’s legislative record is any indication – not so much. Ryan has been in Congress for fourteen years, and he’s sponsored exacty two bills which have passed – one re-naming a local post office.
Clearly, Ryan has no idea how to work in a legislative body and forge compromises. He’s little more than an ideological extremist and a political hack, compfortable working only within the extreme right-wing of his own party.
Serial Conservative spews:
Obamacare defenders like to point out its origin in Romneycare.
OK, fair enough, to the extent it’s accurate.
Seems fair, as well, for Ryan to point out that his plan had its roots in the Clinton commission:
Ryan added, “My mom is a Medicare senior in Florida. Our point is we need to preserve their benefits, because government made promises to them that they’ve organized their retirements around. In order to make sure we can do that, you must reform it for those of us who are younger. And we think these reforms are good reforms. That have bipartisan origins. They started from the Clinton commission in the late ’90s.”
Maybe we’d know more about this if CBS would stop editing his defense of his proposal out of their broadcast.
http://hotair.com/archives/201.....ppearance/
Gman spews:
@8 yeah I just posted about how Republicans are the Party of Freedom, NOT! Let’s see how the deal with that. Besides you would think a Nazi site like that would appreciate a few bigots (not that I am one), I’m sure they would fit right in with the crowd there.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 10
Schieffer did just that, yesterday. Transcript at cbsnews.com.
You guys will look comical going after Ryan on tax returns. One numbskull on HA, Saturday, alleged that Ryan’s family’s worth was gained by sucking at the government teat. He neglected to observe that it included his wife’s family’s business assets.
Ryan will hammer Dems about policy and with great specificity.
Meanwhile, Dems will be re-running the granny cliff ad, claiming Romney is killing family members of former employees, and bitching about tax returns.
Hopenchange, redux.
Gman spews:
@12- the government also made promises to me with Social Security and medicare. why just the old folks get to keep their promise? If you are going to get rid of medicare do it today, starting with everyone, to bad for Paul Ryan’s mommy, he’ll be able to help her out.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 11
You don’t start serious negotiations by taking a position that is so irrational that it has no chance of suceeding.
No, but if you’re a Democratic senator, it’s how you draft a bill.
If you’re Obama, it’s how you propose a budget.
(To be fair, you could replace Democratic senator with Republican House member and derive the same result.)
Roger Rabbit spews:
@4 No, stupid, it’s the electoral votes. Most people have already decided how they’re going to vote, and maps like this one (constructed from state-by-state polling data) tell us what it is:
http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....e_map.html
(There are other electoral vote maps floating around, but this one’s as good as any.)
What we see here is Obama has locked in 237 EVs and needs 33 more, and Romney has locked in 191 EVs and needs 79 more.
Election analysts are focusing on the four big eastern swing states of Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Virgina. Those states have 75 EVs — 4 short of what Romney needs if he wins all four. (He currently leads only in North Carolina, and Obama has a 9-point lead in Ohio.)
Realistically, Romney has a good chance of carrying North Carolina and Florida; Virginia much less so because of the large populations of minorities and federal workers there, and for him Ohio is a goner. Those two states would give him 44 EVs, so he has to cobble together 35 more from the remaining states. Is it possible?
Yes, but only if he wins Wisconsin and every single one of the other states in play — i.e., Romney can get 79 EVs by winning North Carolina and Florida and Wisconsin and Colorado and Iowa and Nevada and New Hampshire. In addition, he has to hang onto all of Nebraska’s EVs, or if he loses one there, must offset that loss by winning one in Maine, the other state that splits its electoral votes.
Romney’s chances of winning every single one of those states is so improbably that as a practical matter he has to either win Ohio or Virginia, or split off Pennsylvania. His chances of doing that are so slim it’s unrealistic to argue Romney can win this election.
Republican strategists have known this for at least two years. They wrote off the White House many moons ago. Romney is a sacrificial candidate, and every GOP professional knows that. The GOP will pour its resources into keeping the House and taking control of the Senate, where Democrats are at a disadvantage because they have twice as many Senate seats on the line in this election cycle.
Republicans figure the next four years will see a second-term President Obama presiding over a Republican congress that will keep him from enacting anything. Obamacare will stand and budget standoffs will become institutionalized. The economy will flounder and the stock market will gyrate. Then, in 2016, the GOP will go for broke to elect Ryan president and proceed with dismantling the entire New Deal and creating their own Brave New World of social Darwinism.
Gman spews:
Balance a budget in 26 years…a real triumph. How about letting the monkey bush tax cuts to expire and balance the budget a lot sooner? Where are all the Deficit Hawks?
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 15
You’re an idiot, or you haven’t been paying attention. Those with no means of making adjustments because they are no longer working, or are close enough to retirement that adjustments won’t be enough to make a difference, will stay under the current plan.
As the current plan is unsustainable, changes that will affect younger Americans are proposed to make it sustainable.
It’s not unprecedented. Social Security has been altered due to demographic changes rendering the old method of calculation and compensation unsustainable.
It’s not easy to talk about, particularly in an election year. Deal with it.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 17
Learn to read a map. 58 of the electoral votes you count as ‘locked up’ by Obama are listed as ‘lean Obama’ in the linked map.
IOW, they aren’t ‘locked up’.
Two of those states share a border with Wisconsin, dumbass.
Gman spews:
@19 – I don’t care, I don’t have any compassion for old farts that are feeding from the tit of the American taxpayer. Get rid of Medicare today for all, if you are going to abolish for everyone else. Deal with it.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@19 “will stay under the current plan”
You and I know that; but how many seniors will think about that nuance when the “granny ad” goes national?
http://www.examiner.com/articl.....-cliff-ads
And how many of the under-54 crowd looking at their 401(k) statements are ready to vote for turning their future Medicare entitlement into a 401(k) health plan?
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 17
Virginia is very close. The Q poll had Obama up 4 points, but in their poll, respondents voted for Obama over McCain 51-42.
http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....ments.html
The actual VA election results were 52.7-46.4%, Obama over McCain.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2.....ginia.html
This suggests a poll bias of around three points toward Obama over Romney. And that’s if you believe that turnout in 2012 will be stratified the way it was in 2008, which we know isn’t going to be the case.
VA is essentially a tie.
There’s this:
Voters in Northern Virginia are almost evenly split between President Barack Obama and former Gov. Mitt Romney, according to the WTOP Beltway Poll conducted by Heart+Mind Strategies.
Forty-eight percent of residents support Obama while 46 percent would vote for Romney. The difference falls easily within the poll’s 4.17 percent margin of error.
http://www.wtop.com/120/298414.....-dead-heat
Northern VA is Obama’s stronghold in the state. If he’s barely ahead there, do you think he’s doing well in the rest of VA?
You’re a fool if you think VA’s a lock.
Creationist spews:
Liberal Scientist and other atheists. The one thing that has NEVER been explained by an atheist/evolutionist is “Why are human beings the ONLY creature on earth that contemplate their origin?”
Anxiously look forward to your scientific responses. Suspect all I’ll hear is attacking nonsense, but it’s worth a shot. So give it your best shot.
Roger Rabbit spews:
The reality is that Romney’s choice of Ryan was a desperate Hail Mary play that will solidify the wavering GOP base between the unpopular Romney, and might also score a TD in Wisconsin but just as easily could cost Romney Florida. If that happens, the election is over, because Obama needs only 33 more electoral votes, and Ohio (18) and Florida (27) add up to 47.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 22
Well, we get to talk a lot about that in the next two-plus months, now. Don’t we?
Who better to explain the Ryan plan than Ryan himself?
We’ll start with the $716B that Obama has removed from Medicare to fund Obamacare. When it was brought up yesterday, Rachel Maddow didn’t do so well in responding to it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/....._ref=media
So, the conversation begins. Game on, girlfriend.
Ryanistheman spews:
Roger Rabbit, you say Obama leads by 9 in Ohio.
Where in the heck did you get that??
4 older polls show obama ahead between 2-8 points with the poll of polls at 4.8%
http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-1860.html
It would be helpful if people would cite their sources when they throw out these numbers. Roger Rabbit cites Real Clear with one comment and then the next, he just pulls a number out of the area just below his fuzzy tail.
rhp6033 spews:
# 14: I was busy working this weekend, so I didn’t hear the Ryan announcement until this morning, much less the Sunday morning interviews.
The crux of Ryan’s handling of the tax return issue is to say that he has provided Romney with “several years” of tax returns, but will release only two. He kind of skips right over the part about providing more years of tax retruns to Romney so he can emphasis that he’s only releasing two years of returns. So – Romney (and Ryan) are saying that it’s important for Romney to have access to more years of tax returns as part of the vetting process, but for the American people – you just have to take our word for it.
Then Ryan jumps to the “jobs and economy” schtick as “the issue Americans are concerned about”. In other words, he’s sayin “Please, please, can we get off this subject and talk about ANYTHING else, because it’s hurting us too badly”. Romney has been trying this for months, but it’s not working so far.
Which is a bit of a shame, because I think the Democrats can win on this issue. Sure, the Democratic position isn’t well suited for the one-liners and catch phrases which work so well for Republicans. But all President Obama has to do is to continue to point out that Romney’s plan is a re-play of decades of failed Republican policies which got us in trouble in the first place. He can then point out how many of his economic stimulous plans were vetoed (Senate “hold”), and how Republican plans were wildly unrealistic and dangerous for the middle-class.
rhp6033 spews:
I still don’t see how Ryan adds anything to the ticket. Sure, it “energizes” the Tea Party base, but those guys weren’t going to vote for the President under any circumstances. Moreover, he’s giving the Democrats an issue which will energize their own base. He’s damaged the once broad electorate group where Romney held an advantage – white older males. How many older Americans are going to vote for someone who is promising to take away Medicare? And the independents are pretty much surrendered, as well.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 27
He pulls almost everything out of his ass.
VA’s essentially a tie. CO’s a tie. FL’s so close although it has ticked slightly blue in the past month. WI just got a whole lot closer.
If he acknowledges that the ‘locks’ for Obama aren’t anything more than leaners, and if he considers that Obama has outspent Romney 3-1 because the bulk of Romney’s funds are locked up for the general, he rationally wouldn’t be so optimistic.
But it’s easier for him to pull stuff out of his ass. His head’s up there, so it’s what he can see most easily.
Ryanistheman spews:
@25–
I agree that on the surface, the Ryan choice appears to make Florida more iffy because of the Medicare issue. Ryan’s advantage is he understands the facts and actually is proposing a solution to address the problem (which Obama/Biden have not?
The Democrats can only play politics, not viable solution debates. Ryan is an awesome communicator. Too bad the fool & coward Biden will only debate Ryan once. What is Biden afraid of?? Biden is certainly fearful of Ryan.
Romney is banking that Americans of all ages want someone with the courage to explain the problem and propose sustainable solutions. The Democrats only play politics. I think folks are sick of the Obama hollow/no solution rhetoric. That’s what happened for Gov Walker in Wisconsin. Didn’t you left-wingers all say Walker was going to get trounced?? He ended up winning by more than he did 2 years ago.
I also agree that Wisconsin is now in play. I have government employee relatives in Wisconsin that voted against Walker, but love Ryan. Ryan speaks respectfully to voters of all persuasions. He’s the Joe Friday of politics..
Just the facts ma’am.
Time will tell.
I think Ryan may move the polls a couple of points in all the swing states except perhaps Florida. You will see Ryan spending a ton of time in Florida, bringing his case directly to the voters.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 28
Then Ryan jumps to the “jobs and economy” schtick as “the issue Americans are concerned about”. In other words, he’s sayin “Please, please, can we get off this subject and talk about ANYTHING else, because it’s hurting us too badly”.
Or maybe it’s because the economy is consistently far and away the issue Americans are most concerned about.
Why is the most plausible explanation for his focus something you refuse to acknowledge?
rhp6033 spews:
# 24: So how do you prove that no other species contemplates their origin?
Heck, I’m an evangelical myself, but I don’t even try to take a position like that.
Gman spews:
@32 yeah and republicans would rather see a black man fail than to have a better economy. Says a lot for the GOP Party, the party of no Freedom.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@24 “Why are human beings the ONLY creature on earth that contemplate their origin?”
That’s conjecture on your part. Given the very limited ability of animals to communicate their thoughts to us, how do you know other creatures don’t contemplate their origin?
Some animals, dogs for example, seem aware of the concept of death. If a dog can wonder why his pal is suddenly stiff, smelly, and inanimate, why wouldn’t he also wonder where his pal (or himself) came from in the first place?
But let’s suppose humans are the only species capable of contemplating the origin of life and how the world came into existence. What is the relevance of that to evolution and deism (which are two separate issues)?
There’s no cause-and-effect relationship between the workings of evolution or the existence (or non-existence) of a Supreme Being and the existence of any animal species capable of understanding these things.
Trees would exist even if humans didn’t exist to comprehend their existence. When a tree falls over in the forest it would make a crashing noise even if no human or animal is present to hear the noise it makes. There is no cause-and-effect relationship between whether a tree falls, or makes noise when it does, and the existence of a creature to hear it fall.
Evolution is a fact as far as I’m concerned. Religious belief isn’t necessarily incompatible with the fact of evolution, but to the extent that some religions deny evolution and insist upon divine manufacture of humans (and other creatures) in their present form, the fact people believe something that’s factually wrong doesn’t change the fact of the matter. For centuries, most (if not all) humans believed the earth was flat and the sun orbited around the earth; but the earth has never been flat, and the sun has never orbited around it.
The question of original creation is trickier. Many prominent physicists who have studied the nature of matter, and who have wondered about matter’s origins, have believed there is a God — e.g., Einstein and Hawking. But more recently, some physicists (including Hawking) have begun to theorize the universe didn’t need a creator. The idea of virtual particles opens the possibility of creation via a kind of spontaneous combustion — i.e., matter can pop into existence out of nowhere, which means the universe could create itself without thought or design. This, in turn, makes a divine being unnecessary to the universe’s existence, opening the possibility there isn’t one.
I’ve thought about this, and its implications. What if there is no God; what if the existence of the universe is a random event, and sentient life also is a random event that is merely here? Certainly from what we can observe, nature is a cruel designer. Nearly all sentient creatures get eaten by some other creature. For most creatures (including many humans) life is fleeting, unpleasant, and often ends through random disease or violence. How to explain this if there is a living God who intervenes to protect the creatures he has created? Why would a loving God, if there is one, allow little kids to be murdered by their deranged parents; or allow a Hitler or a Stalin to kill millions; or create a world in which it is possible for animals (i.e. humans) to build things like hydrogen bombs?
If there is no God, no afterlife, and no judgment, then that has implications for how rational people might behave in this life. If this life is all there is, then a rational person will try to live it as comfortably as he possibly can, and in a world free of any ethical imperative will seek to maximize his temporal well-being by every effective means including lying, cheating, and stealing. Which leads me to my final question:
Why are Republicans atheists?
rhp6033 spews:
# 32: Because Republicans campaigned in 2010 attacking the President on the jobs issue, then spent the next two years passing House bills which had absolutely nothing to do with jobs. Even their “jobs” proposals net out to no increase in jobs in the foreseeable future, as the CBO reported (sorry, I don’t have the link right now).
Then, when it’s campaign season again, suddenly it’s all about the jobs. No solid jobs proposals, but they just want to cast stones at the President.
Besides, we’ve had 22 months of consistent job gains. Sure, it’s not as much as we would like, but it’s a whole lot better than the free-fall under the previous administration.
If the Republicans themselves aren’t serious about jobs, then why should I treat them as being serious about this as a campaign issue?
Besides, the answer to improving jobs and the economy is simple. Lay off a couple hundred government workers. Republicans in Congress, to be specific.
Roger Rabbit spews:
27, 30 – My bad. Obama’s 9-point lead is national, not Ohio.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012.....oint-lead/
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 37
Cherry-picking a poll isn’t a surprise, but it isn’t accurate.
Here’s the current release in the battlegrounds:
http://www.politico.com/news/s.....html?hp=l1
Obama by one. Pre-Ryan announcement and after outspending Romney 3-1, he’s up one.
Meanwhile, RR, since you brought up Florida and senior citizens:
AGE and SEX – As noted, seniors are of interest given Ryan’s proposal to revamp Medicare with a system in which the government would give older Americans a fixed sum with which to buy insurance. They moved in Ryan’s favor, from a 28-28 percent favorable-unfavorable view prospectively to 46-28 percent this weekend.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po.....-movement/
I don’t think Ryan will be the problem in Florida you seem to think he might be, RR.
Roger Rabbit spews:
I’m not inclined to spend any more time explaining to blockheads why Romney can’t win this election. You see this fantasy going on over at (u)SP, too. Our wingnut friends are deluding themselves because the reality is too ugly for them to contemplate. As for me, I’m moving on to other subjects now.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Color Him Hypocritical
“Mitt Romney released two years of his own tax returns to the public but that didn’t appear to be enough when he vetted running mate Paul Ryan and other vice presidential candidates. The campaign team for Romney … reviewed several years of tax returns from Ryan and others, according to Beth Myers, the head of Romney’s vice presidential search process.”
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com.....turns?lite
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Kinda speaks for itself, doesn’t it?
Roger Rabbit spews:
Same Old, Same Old, Part 1
“Police say they’ve arrested a man who lives near a mosque in Morton Grove, Illinois, for firing a pellet rifle at the mosque Friday night while 500 people prayed inside. …
“[P]police said 51-year-old David Conrad of Morton Grove, who lives near the Muslim Education Center, faces felony charges.
“Off-duty Chicago police officers, who had been hired to provide additional security at the mosque during Ramadan activities, … saw an object whiz by and hit the building just above the head of one of the officers ….”
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_new.....osque?lite
Roger Rabbit Commentary: One more nutjob hater off the streets. For a long time, let us hope. Oh and have you noticed these people have no inhibitions about shooting at cops?
Serial Conservative spews:
39. Roger Rabbit spews:
I’m not inclined to spend any more time explaining to blockheads why Romney can’t win this election. You see this fantasy going on over at (u)SP, too. Our wingnut friends are deluding themselves because the reality is too ugly for them to contemplate. As for me, I’m moving on to other subjects now.
IOW, making stupid statements, misquoting poll data, and having your ass handed to you by two different commenters for doing so constitutes a fair fight, and you’re running like a pussy to another topic, rather than try to defend yourself once called for the BS you spew.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Same Old, Same Old, Part 2
“The same problems that plagued the foreclosure process … are now emerging in the debt collection practices of credit card companies.
“As they work through a glut of bad loans, companies like American Express, Citigroup, and Discover Financial Services are going to court to recoup their money. But many of the lawsuits rely on erroneous documents, incomplete records and generic testimony from witnesses, according to judges who oversee the cases.
“Lenders, the judges said, are churning out lawsuits without regard for accuracy, and improperly collecting debts from consumers. The concerns echo a recent abuse in the foreclosure system, a practice known as robo-signing in which banks produced similar documents for different homeowners and did not review them.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48645465
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Do you ever get a feeling we should just throw away our entire financial industry and start over with a new group of people? The ones we have now are unteachable.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@42 “having your ass handed to you”
RFLMFAO!!!
rhp6033 spews:
It’s old news, but interesting. It shows that those in the early days of the Tea Party had no idea of what they were doing, which probably explains why they were able to be co-opted by the Republicans so easily.
Remember in the summer of 2010 when a Tennessee outpost of the Tea Party tried to hold a convention in Las Vegas? The origins of that group are an interesting story of people with no questional records and qualifications trying to use the opportunity to become a major political player, but that’s another (long) story. Let’s skip ahead to the part where the Tennessee Tea Party tries to hold a convention in July in Las Vegas.
The reasoning behind this basic decision is puzzling. If you are a Tennessee Tea Party, why not hold it in the multiple convention facilities in Nashville? That means attendees have to shell out less money for travel and can spend more at the convention. Travel to Las Vegas from Tennessee is much more problematic.
Secondly, Los Vegas convention facilities (like most) are tied to hotels, and you either have to pay a big rate for reserving the ballrooms or you have to guarantee that a block of rooms will be rented by your people while attending. People who want to attend without renting rooms cause big problems for the organizers.
So suddenly, just a couple of weeks before the July convention, the organizers were working the phones trying to find out why people weren’t registering. The answers they got back weren’t encouraging. First, it was a hot summer and people wanted to escape the heat, not travel to the desert. Second, Las Vegas wasn’t the “family friendly” location where they wanted to bring their families. Third, most already had their vacations arranged to spend time with their families at other destinations, and they couldn’t do both. Fourth, a lot had limited finances, and instead of renting rooms were hoping to drive the RV to Las Vegas and camp while attending the convention. Fifth, the travel costs by air were out of the reach of many, especially when added to the cost of meals, etc. and Sixth, most didn’t see $399 in value to sitting in a hotel ballroom for several days listening to the same Tea Party pundits they could hear on Fox News.
So now the Venetian has secured a verdict against the Tennessee Tea Party for $748,00 for postponing, and eventually canceling, the convention without paying the bill. But since the organization is now defunct, I suspect the Venetian is going to have a hard time collectin – unless they have somebody’s individual name on the agreement.
Serial Conservative spews:
A former personal trainer, Ryan, who stands 6 feet, 2 inches, and weighs 163 pounds with 6%-8% body fat, works out like a warrior and leads fellow Hill staffers in daily morning sessions of the popular 90-day, body-sculpting program called P90X.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/13/.....pt=hp_bn12
He looks like such a pencil-neck on TV, I thought he was a little guy. Turns out he just likes David Byrne-style suits.
http://www.synthtopia.com/cont.....ing-sense/
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
The “boob” aka cereal clownservative is absolutely right. President Obama is in BIGGGGGGG trouble.
Paul Ryan is a REEEEEEEAAAAALLLL game changer.
We’re just sweatin’ bullets here.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
Oooooo that Paul Ryan’s just so buff…I bet the “boob” aka cereal clownservativewants a piece after Ann Coulter gets done with him.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 45
Actually, what I remember is a liberal friend laughing about a turnout of 30 people in some eastern TN Tea Party gathering back in the early days.
Yeah, they were totally unscripted, totally without experience.
In other words, authentic. Not some bussed-in SEIU protest made-for-TV.
I don’t know that they were so much ‘co-opted by the Republicans’, to use your words, as they were Republicans to begin with. Recall that TN went for GWB43 even though Al Gore, Jr. had been a US Senator serving that state, as had Gore’s father. Had Gore been able to convince his own state to elect him, there wouldn’t have been a Florida of consequence that year. But I digress.
As far as trying to become a big player, the TN Tea Party didn’t have the gravitas to induce media like the NYT to write fawning pieces about it, as did the Coffee Party, for instance.
Say, whatever happened to the Coffee Party?
Oh, yes. That’s right:
By contrast, the coffee party, which doesn’t seem to have an agenda beyond a vague kind of opposition to the tea party, seems to have become all about egos and personal agendas.
http://voices.yahoo.com/why-co.....55717.html
rhp6033 spews:
# 43: I had this problem to some extent when I moved (some 18 years ago). We kept the same company (GTE), so I just had any old charges transferred to the new line. We paid them on the next bill.
The problem came when the company was sold to Verizon. The first thing the new company did was go through old accounts to dunn customers for payment. I gave them copies of everything showing I had paid, and I didn’t hear from them again – for a while.
Then somebody else calls me and says I still owe them. I did through the old records, send it to them, and they don’t call again.
But Verizon’s land lines got sold to Frontier, and sure enough – within a couple of months we got another letter in the mail threatening to take me to a collection agency. I call and point out that (a) I already provided documentation several times now; and (b) the statutue of limitations had long expired. I guess he took a course in debt collections at some point, and tried to argue that the statute of limitations hadn’t run since I was “concealing myself”. I burst out with laughter, and pointed out that his company, and it’s predecessors, had been sending me bills to my current address for eighteen years – they knew exactly where I was, and seemed to have no trouble contacting me when they wanted to do so.
Of course, with current trends we might expect that these debt collectors would just issue robo-signed affidavits claiming that the “debtor” had failed to respond to their messages, and get a quick default judgement after mailing the summons to the wrong address. The first time you might find out about it is when your wages are garnished.
Ryanistheman spews:
34. Gman spews:
The tired old race card. Disagree with Obama’s policies and you are a racist. Won’t work this time. People vote with their pocketbook and Obama has not come thru for them. Obama has also made it clear he wants to redistribute wealth and reward those who refuse to work. It’s always come down to that. At some point, hard-working people get tired of being fleeced and seeing their hard-earned money squandered to lazy people for doing nothing. Ryan makes a terrific argument. Freeloaders love Barrack Hussein Obama. Will enough freeloaders vote?
"little maxie" the asshat troll is just another ignorant, lying, right wing, racist hater. spews:
Not some bussed-in SEIU protest made-for-TV.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 51
It’s not his fault. It’s all he has to work with. The alternative is defending Obama on his record.
rhp6033 spews:
# 49:
I’m orgiginally from East Tennessee, so I know those folks pretty well.
I use the word “co-opted” because the Tea Party folks had opted out of the 2008 elections and pretty much disavowed the Republican Party for the better part of a year. I wrote about this at the time, it seems that they recognized the economy was heading toward a cliff, and they could’t rationalize supporting Bush. Then the crisis hit, and Tarp I ended up shoveling money out the treasury door into the Wall Street firms, and they were disgusted by both parties.
Originally, they were looking at forming a genuine third-party movement. They didn’t like the Democrates, but felt that the Republicans had sold them out in favor of Wall Street.
The co-opting (or hijacking) of this nascient third-party movement is a subject which I’d love to investigate/read about in more detail. The Republican operatives paid for and organized events featuring speakers which pretty much blamed the Democrats for everything. Then they realed them in slowly, making the Tea Party a bought-and-paid-for subsidiary of the Republican Party. It really is a masterful piece of politicking, I have to give them credit.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 54
Bush wasn’t running in 2008.
I say that because it’s also worthwhile for me to point out that he’s not running this year, either.
Every time Obama makes excuses, I feel the need to reiterate that latter point.
No Time for Fascists spews:
What does bush have to do with the co opting of the Tea party post at 54. if you are trying to change the subject, it’s not working. During the time period he was talking about, bush was president.
Ryanistheman spews:
According to a CNN poll taken Aug. 7-8, Paul Ryan only has an unfavorable rating among independents was 22 percent. Ryan’s unfavorable rating among all registered voters was only 29 percent. Ryan was hardly a polarizing figure despite the Democrats millions spent on trying to demonize him. Ryan will focus on facts and policy. Obama will focus on polarizing, class warfare and anything but his own ideology and policy results.
Choosing Ryan now changes the discussion from Bain. Trying to define Ryan as some right-wing radical is going to be very, very difficult, but it’s all Obama’s surrogates like Axelrod can do. Obama cannot possibly justify or rationalize his own record.
I think Romney made this announcement strategically now for 2 reasons. One was to change the discussion and the other to add a very articulate and knowledgeable policy/fact guy.
The Democrats do not love having to go against Ryan. They fear his ability to communicate and his command of the facts.
Obama will be strictly an emotional appeal. It’s all he has. Demonize his opponents.
Romney/Ryan have nearly $200 million in their warchest which they will start to unleash now.
Good luck to the factless, emotional anti- crowd. You are going to need it.
PS-Ryan is a die-hard Packer Fan. Packers are America’s team!
Gman spews:
@46 why doesn’t he try to help out that whale Christie?
Ryanistheman spews:
I’m watching Ryan at the Iowa State Fair working the crowd. He was getting heckled by a couple whackjob women and said people from Iowa/Wisconsin are respectful..so you must not be from Iowa or Wisconsin!! And that Obama wasn’t their because he only knows left turns!
Where are the jobs Mr. President!!?
Serial Conservative spews:
Paul Ryan could inspire meaningful debate
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....print.html
Math is hard.
Let’s talk about why.
Ryanistheman spews:
58. Gman spews:
Because he’s working with Janet Napolitano first.
"little maxie" the asshat troll is just another ignorant, lying, right wing, racist hater. spews:
People over 65?? Yeah! Try that in Florida.. They can throw as many Hispanics as they want off the voting rolls (those librul Cubans!) – the retirees will swamp that shit every time!
Yeah Ryan didn’t target those people per se but he targeted their kids.. Nice try Paul convincing seniors to sell out their own kids.
the klown and his man-love… The tall dark types make the klown swooooonnn..
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....72763.html
Dan Quayle?
OUCH.
I’m sure there’s something wrong with this poll.
Just positive.
"little maxie" the asshat troll is just another ignorant, lying, right wing, racist hater. spews:
Where are the jobs Mr. President!!?
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
@62…
Fehrnstrom won’t let Ryan SET FOOT in Florida except to attend the convention.
Ryanistheman spews:
Ryan has a great looking wife with Blue Dog Democrat Roots.
http://news.yahoo.com/paul-rya.....27408.html
She can handle herself and is very likable.
She bought her dress at Kohl’s, unlike Moochelle Obama who says she is for the poor and then buys $7,000 dresses. Moochelle is a phoney sucking extravagance off the taxpayers. Janna Ryan respects everyone and every taxpayer by her actions.
Good luck taking her on.
Women voters love women like Jenna Ryan.
You’ll see her and Ann Romney on the campaign trail to the finish line.
Gman spews:
@51 and @53
I’ve worked hard all my life. I’ve worked for the same company for 24 years now and counting. I earn a decent wage. I never collected a dime from any government program, except for a FHA loan, a loan that wasn’t any better than a traditional loan. I’ve paid back all the house and car loans I’ve ever had, never for a minute coming close to any type of default. I am not a free loader. And I see those people, who you call free loaders, different than you do.
I’m more concerned that the hard working people will be fleeced, fleeced by Republicans that only care about the 1%.
The fact that bigotry exists towards this President isn’t my problem that you call it playing the race card. I haven’t played the race card, Republicans play the race card by being racists. If you don’t want the card played, then stop being racists. It exists, don’t deny it, you know it does, not particularly something to be proud of, so you deny it, I understand.
The GOP the Party of Big Freedom*
*except when they are denying gays the right to marry, or when they aren’t suppressing the right to vote.
No Time for Fascists spews:
If Obama can make Americans think about things other than how their lives are going right now he may be re-elected.
What indicators are you referring to?
The economy is slowly improving. For example, houses are starting to sell again. My co worker just sold his house in 3 weeks and got a good price.
BTW: We know more about the shroud of Turin and the surface of Mars than we know about romney’s tax returns.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 66
FLOTUSILF?
Ryanistheman spews:
Rujax, did you actual look at the poll or just the Huffpo spin? Huffpo conveniently lumps together FAIR and POOR to make the claim. How do you lump FAIR and POOR?? This foolish effort to spin makes you look even more foolish than usual. The same Poll and article says:
+19 POINTS!!! You are making something out of nothing.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
So the emperor max mini-dick wants THIRDS after Couter and the boob????
EWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 68
“The economy is slowly improving. For example, houses are starting to sell again. My co worker just sold his house in 3 weeks and got a good price.”
Er, we’re in Seattle. Try that line in Stockton, Merced, Modesto. Maybe in the outskirts of Vegas. A few notable cities in Florida (my sister just bought a house there for $407K that would run $2M+ on Whidbey or Camano).
The economy is not-so-slowly decelerating. The percent of the American public in the workforce is decreasing, the unemployment rate ticked up, and GDP increase is well below that in 2011 Q4 and probably is heading lower.
Providing an anecdote as an example of how the economy is faring is laughable.
Yeah, the marketplace in my neighborhood is better now than last year as well. Seattle might very well even vote for Obama this time around.
Ryanistheman spews:
And the article refers to the ABC Poll which has the Ryan selection as 38% Positive and 33% Negative..+5%
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po.....-movement/
Rujax seems a little disjointed and fails to even bother reading what he posts. Then he cuts and pastes a couple paragraphs from a much bigger article. \
Watch Paul Ryan carefully rujax. He might teach you something about the truth!
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 70
Don’t ask Rujax questions that pertain to his reading comprehension. You’re wasting your time.
Gman spews:
@72 – the housing market was overbuilt by developers, who’s problem is that? The built to much on speculation in Florida, Nevada, Arizona, etc.
Gman spews:
26 years to balance the budget – wow he is good. Wonder what the national debt would be at that point – 30 trillion?
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
Awwwww….darn-a-diddy.
You smart guy got “ol Rujax again.
Yer all just tooooooo sharp for ‘lil ol me.
Ryanistheman spews:
@74 Rujax is mighty pathetic. I wonder if he takes meds for his ADD and dyselxia? I am pleased that the Seattle SD has allowed him to repeat 2nd Grade for the 35th time. Now that is compassion!
Gman spews:
26 years to balance a budget – strip medicare and social security in the process of doing so, and giving more money back to the wealthy….what a magician.
rhp6033 spews:
A Presidential ticket almost always gets a small bounce in the polling when a vice-presidential pick is announced. Usually, not that much is known about him to the general public, and at first glance it seems that he’s a good choice. Given that most American voters don’t know the details of Ryan’s budget/economic plans, he might get a litle bump as well.
But this bump usually isn’t long-lasting. As the negatives come dribble out, voter’s are the least enthusiastic, and attention shifts back to the principal candidates. So any predictions that the Ryan selection is a “winner”, based on polling over the next week or so, is clearly premature.
It seems that the Democrates are comming out strong and fast in making sure voters know all about Romney’s plans. How long his “post-nomination bump” lasts is probably a reflection of how well Democrats get their message out.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 76
Idiot. Obama’s had 3 1/2+ years to balance the budget. How’s that gone so far? Recall Obama promised to cut it in half in four years.
Add in some realistic assumptions – recall, math is hard @ 60 – and it’s not so easy to dig out of a hole more than a decade in the making.
I doubt you were serious when you said ’30 trillion’ but you’re wrong there, too.The deficit would likely be far, far higher than $30 trillion by the time the budget is balanced. Try $50-60T.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/p.....k-11562917
OOOOOPS!!!!!
This must be wrong tooo!!
Ryanistheman spews:
76. Gman spews:
26 years to balance the budget – wow he is good. Wonder what the national debt would be at that point – 30 trillion?
Gman spews:
2 Shot – Just 2? Slow day in the world of barbarian you know whats
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....73387.html
Gman spews:
I understand balancing a budget and lowering the national debt. Ryan wants to take 26 years to do it, great plan..What am I missing, explain it to me, oh smarty one.
Not much you can do with an obstructionist Republicans.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....-S-Economy
OH!!!
Now THIS is just mean.
MEAN.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 80
A lot of senior voters probably don’t know the details of the Obamacare shift of $715B out of Medicare, either.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50.....-medicare/
But they will, and soon.
No one better to explain the intricacies of Ryan’s plan – and how it differs from the coming effects of Obamacare – than Ryan himself.
I’m OK with waiting until October for that to happen. By October we’ll know what the Q2 and Q3 GDP numbers are, and we’ll see that the unemployment rate is still above 8%. Well above.
Oh, and Romney and Ryan will have plenty of ad money with which to make their points.
I’m OK with that.
No Time for Fascists spews:
Paul Ryan could inspire meaningful debate
From a link in that article
From these factoids, I would accept a sluggish economy and higher taxes on the richest, if it meant that we didn’t destroy the social safety nets.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo......ngress.php
I suppose all this abuse is ’cause Ryan is…
…white? catholic? conservative?…whatever.
Pooooor little Paul Ryan.
Gman spews:
@87 – when the whole argument of healthcare was debated back 2 years ago, it was plainly stated. But you are right voters are too stupid to know.
MikeBoyScout spews:
Trolls,
bookmark the link to this comment.
Obama/Biden will defeat Ryan/Rmoney in not less than 4 of the following 7 swing states:
CO, FL IA, OH, PA, VA, WI,
Christ on a cracker, Ryan/Rmoney is already dodging voters in Florida
No Time for Fascists spews:
Obama’s had 3 1/2+ years to balance the budget. How’s that gone so far?
Again and again, has he had ANY cooperation from the obstructionist republicans? No.
Your side is breaking things, then not giving the president the means to fix them, then blaming Obama that they are broke.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 85
You are not missing anything. You are failing to look.
We’re already more than $ 1T in deficit, annually. We have a large increase in spending beyond revenues for Obamacare. There is no Social Security surplus, anymore, to contribute to a lower annual deficit. More baby boomers transitioning to retirement. Greater unemployment meaning fewer workers paying in. No dot-com capital gains to tax like Clinton had.
Reversing all of that, without huge tax increases (which might not even help if implemented), will take many years by itself. Then you’re still at a $1T deficit, which needs to be made up.
No one is going to slam on the brakes and cause a depression. We will deficit-spend for decades. That’s reality.
Ryan is just being more honest about it than you are used to reading.
You aren’t missing anything. You are failing to look at reality.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 91
Mike Boy Scout:
Did you ever respond to my comment about your inaccuracy regarding Ryan’s net worth and how much of it is due to his wife’s family’s assets?
I missed it if you did.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....fpnewsfeed
SHUCKS!
Even dumb ‘ol Rujax can figgur this ine out…
President Obama’s plan is to make the program solvent by reducing payments to health care providers,
Rep. Paul Ryan achieves his savings by transforming Medicare into a voucher-like system.
Seems clear to me…but what do I know.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 88
From these factoids, I would accept a sluggish economy and higher taxes on the richest, if it meant that we didn’t destroy the social safety nets.
The social safety nets will be destroyed by inaction. Higher taxes on the richest won’t go nearly as far as you want them to go. Essentially, raising taxes only on the rich IS inaction. It’s a miniscule amount. Arguments that ‘It’s a start.’, which have been made here, are weak. It’s a drop in the bucket. There MUST be changes. Raising the age of eligibility is a start as well, but not much better than raising taxes on the rich.
Look at the demographics. The social programs are unsustainable without wholesale changes. The only way NOT to destroy them is to alter them.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 95
Seems clear to me…but what do I know.
FINALLY you’re starting to ask yourself what the rest of us have figured out a long time ago.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
OOOOOPS….
NEWTIE didn’t like the Ryan Plan for Medicare.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8a8b.....z23SFh2kpa
Roger Rabbit spews:
@50 This kind of shit happens because companies make more profit by automating their bill collection procedures and removing human judgment from the process.
The solution is to take the profit out of this short-shrifting business practice by encouraging wrongly-dunned consumers to sue the shit out of these companies.
Just file a credit libel claim against them in small claims court for damages in the amount of the court’s jurisdictional limit. Make sure you get proper service by checking the secretary of state’s website to determine who their registered agent is. If they don’t show up, the judge won’t automatically give you a default judgment. You’ll have to show payment receipts, provide a copy of your credit report (if the spurious bill shows up there), and describe all the time and aggravation you’ve spent trying to clear up the wrongful bill. You’ll always want to describe the impact it’s had on your health, peace of mind, and relationships with your family. What you want to do is convince the judge that XYZ’s attempts to collect a $59.14 bill you’ve already paid is worth a damage award of $10,000 against the company. Oh, and one more thing, you want to sue both the company and their collection agency. At a minimum, you’ll force them to send someone to court, which will cost them more money than the bill they’re trying to collect is worth, and no small amount of aggravation.
If enough people sue them, these dishonest businesses will clean up their shady business practices lickety-split.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 98
Next you’ll be posting that JFK was assassinated.
Michael spews:
I’m doing great at the moment.
Gman spews:
You are not missing anything. You are failing to look.I’m not failing to look at anything, you are
We’re already more than $ 1T in deficit, annually.Yes, I know, between wars, the worst recession by GWB, and the GWB tax cuts, we have a large hole to dig out of. We have a large increase in spending beyond revenues for Obamacare.Obamcare has nothing to do with this, Obamcare is paid for by cuts and savings and tax increase on people earning greater than $250,000. The increases in spending are partly because of an increase in the defense budget, which you like to overlook. There is no Social Security surplus, anymore, to contribute to a lower annual deficit.Social Security isn’t the problem, it isn’t a problem until many years from now More baby boomers transitioning to retirement. Greater unemployment meaning fewer workers paying in. No dot-com capital gains to tax like Clinton had.
Reversing all of that, without huge tax increases (which might not even help if implemented), will take many years by itself. Then you’re still at a $1T deficit, which needs to be made up.yeah and Paul Ryan wants to cut more taxes and take 26 years more to start to balance a budget, and you agree with that?
No one is going to slam on the brakes and cause a depression. We will deficit-spend for decades. That’s reality.yeah, except you blame Obama for a lot of nothing then. How about GWB medicare Part D, you always fail to recognize this as deficit spending, and then there is the interest on that debt, again you want Obama to be totally be responsible for that
Ryan is just being more honest about it than you are used to reading.how about get more honest with the top earners and telling them we have to raise their taxes?
You aren’t missing anything. You are failing to look at reality.you are failing to look at reality, not me!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@53 I’m happy to defend Obama’s record. Prevented another Great Depression. Saved the American auto industry. Got the economy growing again. Stopped the layoffs and got employment growing again. Killed Osama bin Laden. Ended the war in Iraq and developed an exit strategy for Afghanistan. Protected Social Security and Medicare from GOP privatization schemes. And not least, accomplished something every president of the last 50 years tried and failed: Passed a health care reform law. Millions of Americans are better off because Obama was president these last four years.
Are there things I wish Obama had done that he didn’t? Yeah, of course. He didn’t close Guatanamo (but he did stop the torture). He didn’t send the crooked banksters to jail. His financial rescue pandered to Wall Street and didn’t help Main Street. He hasn’t done much to help underwater homeowners. But this isn’t all his fault; at least some of it was out of reach because of the Republican obstructionists in Congress.
Gman spews:
26 fucking years to balance a budget? Now we have them coming out and saying you can’t slam the brakes and cause a depression. Tell that to the Tea Party. What do you think cutting all the spending will do, put the brakes on spending, causing a depression. What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
Michael spews:
@91
Obama will take Colorado. It’s more of a demographic thing, the growth of Denver and the young median age (34 I think), than a political thing.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 101
So am I. Doesn’t mean I owe it to our president.
@ 103
There are 300+ million Americans, RR.
How many are better off?
Roger Rabbit spews:
@93 I happen to dislike Ryan’s priorities. He wants to cut Medicare and food stamps to give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. I won’t vote for that.
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
‘Cause “bob” is sooooo smart, and SUCH a great bidnessguy, I’m sure he would agree that it’s better to cut administrative costs in order to provide better service to consumers.
Sure he would.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 105
Hispanic Population – 20.7% of Colorado residents are of Hispanic origin, the nation’s 7th highest state Hispanic population percentage. Colorado trails five other western states and Florida.
Senior Citizen Population – 10.9% of Colorado’s total population, a very low level that ranks 46th among states.
http://usliberals.about.com/od.....ctions.htm
Data’s a year old.
Obama may very well take CO, NM, NV and OR. But he’ll have to expend effort, including numerous visits, and money, to do it.
Meanwhile, Romney/Ryan can write off the West and focus on middle America and the eastern swing states.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@106 Enough to give Obama a 9-point lead in the latest nationwide popularity polls.
Ryanistheman spews:
Holder is now being sued to give up more Fast & Furious documents. Open Government my ass. Another Obama promise that in reality is a big lie.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ti.....53784.html
Gman spews:
@106, you want to blame the President then say “So am I. Doesn’t mean I owe it to our President”. Make up your mind.
Where did the $1 Trillion deficit come from, did it magically appear? You hypocrite. Now the deficit isn’t a problem for you, but it is for Obama. Now we need to ease our way out of it, you are a fake. Make up your mind.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@106 (continued) Everyone who owns stock is better off. The S&P 500 is up 74% since Obama took office.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/.....aspx#page1
Gman spews:
@106 – what do you care about 330 Million people. You suppose to only care about the 1%.
MikeBoyScout spews:
@106 Serially Dim,
ALL Americans are better off under the Obama administration. ALL.
– Name me an American who is not better off now that we are out of Iraq?
– Name me an American who is not better off now that bin Laden is dead?
– Name me an American who is not better off now that children can remain on their parent’s health care plan until 26?
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 110
That’s nowhere near the latest poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-1171.html
The Gallup tracking poll, which is pretty much daily, has it a tie, RR.
Now we get to watch RR’s head explode while he tries to claim that a pre-weekend Fox poll is more valid than a Gallup poll dated yesterday.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@111 Fuck you. No administration, including Republican ones, gives up those kinds of internal deliberation documents.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@116 Like I said above, I’m not going to waste any more time arguing with blockheads living in a fantasyland. I’ve already posted a link to a source for Obama’s 9% lead. If you don’t like that source, Google it yourself, there’s a wide selection of sources to choose from that all say the same thing. If you want to delude yourself into believing this race is a tie, go right ahead. Bbelieve any damn thing you want to. It’s not against the law in this country to be a fucking idiot.
Ryanistheman spews:
110. Roger Rabbit spews:
Why not just post the RealClear poll of polls rather than cherrypick one that shows the biggest margin??
RealClear posts a poll of polls for Obama’s Popularity/Approval which is actually -.4%, not +9% and Romney vs. Obama where Obama is currently at +4%.
You can see the poll, dates polled and it links you to the actual polling data..
Here is the Approval link-
http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-1044.html
You can find lots of other polls of polls and current polls, if it matters much to you.
Roger Rabbit appears mighty desperate messing around with polls. Seems like he’s trying to convince himself Obama is beloved.
Ryanistheman spews:
118. Roger Rabbit spews:
You are living proof of that statement!
You’d certainly be in jail or dead in Iran.
Serial Conservative spews:
@115
Now you’re just being an idiot.
The issue is not whether Obama has not had some benefit. Yes, the fourth time he was presented with an opportunity to kill bin Laden he said yes.
The Americans not better off with expanded coverage of young adults under their parents’ policies are those other ratepayers who will see their premiums increased and their benefits decreased by the dilution of resources in the insurers.
Similarly, the taxpayers who paid for the bailout of GM and Chrysler, and the workers who saw their pensions slashed, are not better off, and neither are the bondholders, because of the way the bankruptcy was handled.
Rather than looking at a few points and expecting those to score repeated points, look at the whole of his presidency and ask if it has been enough to let him have another four years.
Gman spews:
26 fucking years to balance a budget – he’s my fucking hero, yeah.
MikeBoyScout spews:
Here’s a surprise in gun saturated Murika
Brazos County constable killed in shooting near A&M campus
Another mass shooting. All those people with “Lifetime Member of the NRA” must be so damn proud.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 117
“@111 Fuck you. No administration, including Republican ones, gives up those kinds of internal deliberation documents.”
You’re right. Nixon resigned.
Gman spews:
At SP they are real Freedom guys, deleting my posts, didn’t take them more than a couple of hours to be censors.
Serial Conservative spews:
@122
How many years until Obama’s plan does it?
Does Obama have a plan?
Or does he give a speech, which we assume is a plan, but we don’t know for sure, because it never turns into a budget bill at the Congressional level?
You’re essentially giving us the Geithner position. You have no fucking idea what you are doing, yourself, but you don’t like a proposed alternative.
dorky dorkman spews:
It looks as though Obama will win the presidency, whether he will carry the house and senate on his coattails is another matter.
If not, we will have two more years of Republican obstinacy and obstruction that may well result in enough voter disgust at Republican obstruction to result in enough turnover to give the Democrats a majority in the house and senate.
These could be very productive years for Democrats with enough progressive legislation produced to put this country back on a sane course.
You know something’s wrong in this country when Republicans tout changes to social security that are the same as those enacted under Pinochet.
And, I think it’s safe to say that Pinochet was a fascist, and that Republicans (by aping many of Pinochet’s policies) open themselves to the same charge.
A Romney administration would be the proof.
Gman spews:
@126 doesn’t matter what Obama’s plan is, because Republicans will do what they need to do to see him fail. How about Simpson-Bowles Commission, he was willing to go along with it but not the Republicans. 26 Fucking Years what an accomplishment.
dorky dorkman spews:
re 26: And, to paraphrase Cereal’s response: “Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ….”
Cereal’s typical retort may well be that the first side to call the other fascist loses the argument — to which I have one reply: — Jonah Goldberg.
Gman spews:
@126 – here is my plan – raise taxes on the upper incomes, cut spending, including the defense department. Look at Social Security and Medicare individually. Shared Sacrifice. I’m one that felt we should pay for the wars. So stuff your idiocy with it be a blessing of taking 26 years to balance a budget. And as soon as the economy starts to recover bring tax rates back up to Clinton years, before Monkey Bush cut taxes, if need be. Balance the budget sooner, not 28 fucking years from now. At that point, why even balance a budget, the national debt will probably be 30 trillion dollars and like it would make any sense to start to go into a reverse action. 26 fucking years and you bill it as a blessing. Talk about sweeping it under the rug.
Michael spews:
@109
Obama WILL take CO, NM, and OR. NV’s up for grabs.
MikeBoyScout spews:
@124, Serially Wrong.
No, Nixon was ordered to give up material related to a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice. Nixon complied with the court order, and when the material was understood to directly implicate Nixon in a criminal conspiracy which would lead to a majority of Senate Republicans voting for his conviction in impeachment proceedings, Senate Republicans convinced him to resign.
If House Republican Issa believes the President has committed a crime, he should introduce an Impeachment vote.
Michael spews:
I was doing OK under Clinton, I did OK under Bush, and now I’m doing fine under Obama. If Obama wins I’ll do fine, if Romney wins I’ll do fine.
But, if Romney wins we’ll go back to Bush era laws on air pollution* and reverse a bunch of fisheries regulations and start raping he seas again. Ground water pollution in Appalachia will get worse, instead of better, and he’ll probably send a bunch of working class kids off to die in some clusterfuck war. So I’m pulling for Obama.
*The first national air pollution laws were signed into law by president Eisenhower (R).
Roger Rabbit spews:
Shooting Of The Day (TM)
“A police constable and a civilian were killed when a gunman opened fire Monday near the campus of Texas A&M University in College Station.”
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_new.....as-am?lite
Roger Rabbit spews:
@124 False comparison.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 131
Michael:
Why do you see NV as closer than CO? NM, OR, no real argument athough I don’t see OR as far into the blue column as results currently show.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Helen Gurley Brown, the editorial force behind Cosmopolitan magazine, has died at age 90.
Ekim spews:
Not an atheist but my guess is:
They weren’t like us.
They were too liberal.
They had/possessed some resource we wanted.
They preferred science to religious dogma.
They were fun to kill.
MikeBoyScout spews:
Which of the following 2 (yes, two and only two) legislative accomplishments of 14 year legislator (yes, no public business experience worth speaking) and House Republican Leader, Paul Ryan, make him qualified to be President?
(A) Renaming the Janesville, WI Post Office to the “Les Aspin Post Office Building”
(B) His bill to amended the IRS code to impose a 39-cent tax per arrow shaft, instead of a 12.4 percent tax on the sales price.
Remember when some people poked fun at Obama’s resume?
Gman spews:
@133- not mention the rich will get tax breaks and the deficit will never be dealt with for 26 fucking years.
dorky dorkman spews:
www
Ekim spews:
Severely Constipated has thoroughly convinced me. We have to do something drastic to save our economy & country. We have to make cuts and sacrifices we may not like.
Let’s sacrifice our billionaires!
Let’s bring back the guillotine!
Off with their heads!
(The preceding is intended as Republican style humor and not to be taken seriously. Any Rethug who does take it seriously should seek medical help immediately.)
MikeBoyScout spews:
The estimable Charles Pierce over at Esquire sums up the zombie-eyed granny-starver (ZEGS) nicely. Go read the whole thing yourself.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 139
Yes, you’re right, fresh from being wrong about Ryan’s finances, you now are claiming that he has been ineffective as a House leader.
Funny.
Maybe pivot to questioning his foreign policy chops. You at least won’t be laughed at if you try that approach.
MikeBoyScout spews:
@146 Serially Idiotic,
No mam, I am not wrong about Ryan’s finances. But you keep f*cking that chicken, ok?
Has Paul Ryan, leader of Congressional Republicans and 14 year Congressman been “effective”? Really?
Show us. What has Congressional Republican leader, Paul Ryan accomplished?
We await your reply for laughs.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 145
Speaking of laughs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
More seriously:
http://paulryan.house.gov/legi.....nsored.htm
Hey, MikeBoyScout, if Ryan is so feckless, why was he picked for the Deficit Reduction Commission? He was selected by the president, after all.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@146 I would assume Ryan was picked for the DRC with the idea that he would use his influence to sell its recommendations to his caucus. Turns out not so much.
Ryanistheman spews:
91. MikeBoyScout spews:
I agree that Romney/Ryan need to win 3 of these.
I’m not willing to concede that Obama/Village Idiot will win 4 though.
Time will tell.
Let’s discuss this again after the Conventions–see where things are at. I suspect all these states, except perhaps PA., will be within margin of error in Likely Voter Polls.
MikeBoyScout spews:
@146 Serially Dim,
“Hey, MikeBoyScout, if Ryan is so feckless, why was he picked for the Deficit Reduction Commission? He was selected by the president, after all.”
You really are a dim bulb.
Republican House Leader and current Slick Willard selectee to be a heart beat away from being the president was selected to be on the 2010 National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform by the Obama administration because the Zombie-Eyed-Granny-Starver was the Chairman of the House Budget Committee.
Having been selected by the President to be a part of the 2010 National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, did the man with his only career being his 14 years in Congress and House Republican leader, Paul Ryan lead anything?
Did House Republican Paul Ryan accomplish anything?
Ryanistheman spews:
92. No Time for Fascists spews:
What about in 2009 when Obama had a supermajority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate with Liebermann and Sanders?? How could the R’s obstruct then?? Do tell.
Sounds like the Democrats were simply disorganized and lacked focus. How is that the Republicans fault??
Obama and his surrogates always seem to blame someone else, don’t they. People are sick of it. They want results and the buck to stop somewhere.
Your comment is foolish on it’s face.
Ryanistheman spews:
122. Gman spews:
So what is Obama’s plan??
Do tell.
Ryanistheman spews:
128. Gman spews:
you are dead wrong. Obama did not put forth the entire Simpson-Bowles plan.
And you non-answer about Obama’s plan for 1 simple reason and that is Obama has no plan.
Ryanistheman spews:
130. Gman spews:
No one asked for your plan you idiot.
You have no power.
Obama is running the country and doesn’t have a fuckin’ plan! That’s the problem.
So what is Obama’s current plan??
Facts & Specifics…show how it will work.
Non-existent
kim jong chillin spews:
Lol @ gleeman and “look at social ssecurity and medicare..”
Wtf does “look at” mean?
Steve spews:
Except for speaking fees and sales of his book, Romney’s income came from capital gains, interest, and dividends. The Romney/Ryan “Plan” would eliminate all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends. Forget his last ten years of tax returns for a moment, under the Romney/Ryan plan, Romney and his “job creator” spawn would pay less than 1% in taxes, generation after generation.
The Romney/Ryan “Plan” adds $6 trillion in debt over the next decade alone. The same Republicans who drove this nation to economic ruin, high unemployment and huge debt, and then a credit downgrade with their insane “debt limit fever”, now have “Plan” to add $6 trillion in debt in one decade and trillions more after that.
That’s some fucked up plan you guys have got.
Steve spews:
“Obama has no plan”
Good grief! It’s better to have no plan at all than to have a plan so fucked up as yours. I suppose you deluded Galtian shits will get over your debt limit agonies once you fucktards are happily running up trillions in debt again. After all, it’s all a part of the “Plan”.
Serial Conservative spews:
“Clearly there is a Ryan bump,” pollster John Zogby, managing of JZ Analytics, told Newsmax. Significantly, the new poll shows the Romney/Ryan ticket with a substantial lead among voters in swing states, 49.1 percent to 41.2 percent.
Also, the Republican ticket garners 45.2 percent among independent voters, ahead of the Democratic ticket at 40.1. Obama led in an earlier poll of independents. That shows that the Ryan choice has not hurt the Republican ticket in this important demographic, and has actually helped.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfro...../id/448366
Yeah, it’s early, and nah, the bump won’t last. What the bump should tell you, lefties, is that the selection of Ryan isn’t the disastrous choice you all want it to be.
Ryan seems to play pretty well to middle America. Meanwhile, Obama will be jetting off to NV, NM, and CO in desperation, not to mention his swings to LA, SF, and Seattle to pick up cash from the Obama kneepad crowd.
MikeBoyScout spews:
Serially Dim and Wrong makes a good point.
“the selection of Ryan isn’t the disastrous choice you all want it to be.”
When the meme is whether or not a opponent’s first presidential choice was a disaster or not, or whether it was “bold” or not, 2 days after the choice, you’ve already won.
And Cereal, the choice and its timing are an electoral college disaster.
Ryanistheman spews:
156. Steve spews:
“Obama has no plan”
So what specifically is wrong with Ryan’s plan? A blanket statement like yours without getting into the details& issues shows you probably haven’t even read the plan for yourself. Do you know how to read?
So let me get this straight–
Obama is running on the “I have no Plan” platform and that’s better than at least trying to address the issues. Ain’t going to fly.
Ryanistheman spews:
155. Steve spews:
Please cite your source.
If it’s a number out of your ass, then please cite that or simply write OMA for outta my ass
Ryanistheman spews:
Clearly obama and his ignorant band of leftist shills are plan-less. They want to win, but are clueless as to WTF they will do once in as evidenced by the past 4 years.
We want to be in charge.
We won!
Now WTF do we do.
Sounds about right for you left-wing fools.
Plan-less Platform.
Beautiful.
Take from the rich and give to the poor.
Entitlements.
What a great America that will be..not.
Obama is pushing precisely what Greece, Spain & Italy did for years and look at the result,
Steve spews:
George R.R. Martin, author of “A Game of Thrones”, “The people behind these efforts at disenfranchising large groups of voters (the young, the old, the black, the brown) are not Republicans, since clearly they have scant regard for our republic or its values. They are oligarchs and racists clad in the skins of dead elephants.”
I have to disagree. Oligarchs and racists, yeah, of course, but I’ve never see a Republican clad in the skins of dead elephants. Hmm, unless that’s something I didn’t know about them.
Ryanistheman spews:
Gas Prices are on the rise!
More than Double what they were when Obama took office.
People will vote based on their wallets in the end. They may love the idea of obama’s mesmerizing dreams for them to get free stuff..but they still have to pay double to fill their gas tank and haven’t gotten enough free stuff to cover the cost increases.
oh and look at food prices.
Watch Romney/Ryan shift the focus to basic pocketbook issues.
All obama will say is let rich folks buy that for you.
Most people are not cut out that way.
They want a fishing pole, not some stinkin’ fish washed up on the beach that obama is handing them.
Steve spews:
“If it’s a number out of your ass, then please cite that or simply write OMA for outta my ass”
STFU, Klown. One of many sources. Do your own search next time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html
Try refuting it with something that isn’t pulled from your goat’s ass, dumbfuck.
Ryanistheman spews:
Steve cites George RR Martin!!
Hardy har har.
The guy is fat pig of a marxist.
Take a look at this pig–
https://www.google.com/search?q=george+r+r+martin&hl=en&prmd=imvnsbol&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C4UpUNbbC6XUiwLWzYHoCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CGEQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=709
oink oink
anyone can write vitrol. Who would waste their time reading George RR Martin??
Ryanistheman spews:
@164–
Some NPR numbskull writes this with zero back-up as to how he calculated any of his numbers and that’s your source.
Laughable.
So you pull some numbers out of your ass and justify them citing some leftist pig who pulls them out of his ass.
Ignorance is blissful in the Democrat sty.
Steve spews:
“The guy is fat pig of a marxist.”
Some rebuttal, asswipe. I suppose if he looked like a fascist goat, you’d want to fuck him silly.
MikeBoyScout spews:
Hey, remember those bipartisan leadership credentials of House Republican leader, Paul Ryan that Slick Willard told us about on Saturday?
Me neither!
In the entire legislative career of House Republican leader, Paul Ryan (yes, he’s a career politician), what has he accomplished?
Did he oppose the budget busting of George W. Bush?
What’s House Republican leader, Paul Ryan, ever done?
Michael spews:
Well, there was that one that was found dead wearing two wetsuits with a dildo up his ass.
Steve spews:
Here, wingnuts, you can watch your hero, Paul Ryan, begging for TARP votes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....Ucj4sZvbY#!
That’s your man, teabaggers. Watch him. Watch him beg for that which you hate. You’re so easily played for fools because you are fools.
Michael spews:
@ Serial Conservative,
Colorado has been trending Democratic for the last little while, has a growing population of young urban folks, and has fairly popular Senators and governor that are Democrats. Add to all that, that they have a high % of latino population that Obama’s doing fairly well with and the fact that Obama’s been ahead in every single poll in Colorado. That makes me pretty confident in Colorado going for Obama.
Nevada’s been trending Republican and the Republican’s have been doing a lot of outreach work there for the last couple of years. Also, in Nevada the only promanate, national, Democrat is Harry Reid, who even the Democrats hate. Nevada also has a big mormon population, and a tendency towards the libertarian.
Michael spews:
Bah. It seems I can no longer edit my comments after posting them.
MikeBoyScout spews:
@170 Steve,
Thanks! Leading the passing of TARP is an accomplishment of House Republican leader, Paul Ryan. FYI, at the YouTube link you posted House Republican leader, Paul Ryan’s talk begins at about 2:19.
Also, the date of debate on September 29, 2008 is 11 days after House Republican leader, Paul Ryan traded out of his implicated banking stocks.
Gman spews:
Do you think Grandma and Grandpa think that their great great grandchildren deserve some medical help during their older non earning years? Or do you think that they are so selfish that all they care about is that medicare will be there for them. How about mom and pop, do you think they care, whether their children will have medicare. Abolish medicare to give tax breaks to the wealthy. Good politics.
Michael spews:
Says the guy who’s written nothing but it, on here.
Michael spews:
As there would have been for whomever Romney picked/
MikeBoyScout spews:
Big question of the day ….
What could be more stupid than announcing your VP selection in the dead of a Friday night and introducing him early Saturday morning?
Well, how about being stupid enough to give him his first outing where the film clip on the Monday evening news is this welcome reception?
Sure, he handled it well. But the take away of any viewers tonight is not the way he handled it, but that he had to.
Mosquitoes produce bigger and longer lasting bumps than this pick will.
Steve spews:
Under the Romney/Ryan plan who pays more in taxes?
A. Some Konservative Klown who inherits $10 million and lives off of capital gains, interest and dividends for the rest of his life, doing nothing but clipping coupons as he lounges by the pool?
B. A plumber making a $80,000 a year in hard earned wages?
Here’s a clue. The Konservative Klown would pay zero taxes for the rest of his life, as would his spawn, generation after generation after generation. That is the Romney/Ryan “Plan”.
Gman spews:
Puffy should be proud of the Republican Mississippians.
http://www.alan.com/2012/08/13.....iolations/
rhp6033 spews:
# 177: I’ve wondered why Romney would pick/announce a VP nominee on the weekend, much less the weekend of the closing ceremonies of the Olympic games. Sure, it got them to do a tour of the Sunday news shows, but other than that it’s almost as if he was trying to slip it through when nobody would notice.
Steve spews:
Rep. Paul Ryan on health care, “Rationing happens today! The question is who will do it?”
Insurance companies, of course. Like they give a shit what a patient or doctor thinks. I understand that some people call them “corporate death panels”.
Gman spews:
Hey Mitt’s a druggie.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....74246.html
Ryanistheman spews:
The discussion has been changed drastically since the Romney announcement of Ryan. That was the reason why he did it when he did. He had to and couldn’t wait. It’s done, but look at the discussion now. It was easy to pick on Romney..much tougher to pick on Romney and Ryan, especially when Obama doesn’t even have a plan. Will Obama’s strategize of demonize and crucify his opponents and avoid substantive issues debate work?? We’ll soon find out, won’t we.
Gman spews:
God’s punishment for not allowing gays in the cubscouts.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1135473
Gman spews:
Some people know how to raise kids the right way.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1135635
Gman spews:
Family Values for all.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1135179
Gman spews:
Global Warming costing tax payers from the wallet and from the mouth.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2.....ll-it-help
MikeBoyScout spews:
Host for Romney event is a convicted drug dealer
I’m sure for Slick Willard it felt like old times.
Remember back in 1984 when cash was hard to come by everywhere but Miami?
Hook up with some blow dealers and SHAZAM!
Slick Willard undoubtedly remembers.
Steve spews:
“It’s done, but look at the discussion now.”
Under the Ryan plan, how much does the guy who inherits $10 million and makes $300K/year off of his dividends, interest and capital gains pay in taxes over his remaining life? Who will pay more, that guy or a laborer making $40K/year?
That’s the discussion now, asshole. Thanks to Romney/Ryan and their “Plan”, the rich guy pays not one fucking dime in taxes for the rest of his life. That’s your damned plan. You Randroids can go to hell.
Michael spews:
No it hasn’t. Romney had already endorsed the Ryan (non)Plan.
Michael spews:
@177,180
My understanding is that Romney’s veep pick was leaked, that the campaign didn’t do the choosing.
Ryanistheman spews:
One of you left-wingers was yapping about how great Clinton’s guy Erskine Bowles was and the Bowles-Simpson Plan.
Want to hear what Bowles thinks about Ryan?
Here is a video in Bowles own words..
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ti.....42883.html
So Erskine Bowles says Paul Ryan is amazing and can run circles around him!!
Once again, the leftists fail to do their homework.
Ready, FIRE, Aim
MikeBoyScout spews:
Erskine Bowles is a corporate asshole.
There is no liberal who supports Erskine Bowles or Timothy Geitner.
Serial Conservative spews:
@ 180
Romney created a phone app so that anyone who downloaded the app would know as soon as the announcement went public.
If he was trying to be secretive, why would he do that?
Yes, they got the Sunday talk shows. They got 60 Minutes.
A couple of months ago Gallup was suggesting
http://pollingmatters.gallup.c.....ntial.html
the pick would be announced this week. So he did it two days early. Still got plenty of coverage.
And today Obama was Veep for a day, punching down to Ryan’s level. Way presidential.
"little maxie" the asshat troll is just another ignorant, lying, right wing, racist hater. spews:
Nothing more nausea inducing than a “man” in love, bending the nearest ear about it..
The swooning of the klown over Ryan – well you gotta laugh away the stomach distress is all I can say.
Steve spews:
“It’s done, but look at the discussion now.”
Discussion? You teabaggers run away from any discussion of the Romney/Ryan Plan. I’ll try again.
Under the Romney/Ryan plan, how much does the guy who inherits $10 million and makes $300K/year off of his dividends, interest and capital gains pay in taxes over his remaining life? Who will pay more, that guy or a laborer making $40K/year?
You don’t want to discuss the impacts of the Romney/Ryan “Plan” because it flat out sucks. The guy with the inheritance, capital gains, interest and dividend income would pay zero in federal taxes. He could pay absolutely nothing for the rest of his life. His heirs could live their entire lives without paying one dime. That’s your idiotic “Plan” for you.
Michael spews:
@192
Wasn’t me. But, then I think the whole left-right political spectrum thing has run it’s course and is no longer useful. Not sure that I qualify as a left-winger.
Ekim spews:
Ryan scores lowest poll numbers since Quayle
http://www.usatoday.com/news/p.....57038326/1
In a nationwide survey taken Sunday, 39% of registered voters call Republican contender Mitt Romney’s selection of Ryan “excellent” or “pretty good” while 45% rate it as “only fair” or “poor.” Sixteen percent have no opinion.
And Paul Ryan still improved the odds for Mitt the Twit‘s failing campaign. **Snicker**
Ryanistheman spews:
Ekim–@198
Already discussed and debunked.
Combining Fair & Poor?? Why would anyone do that other than to try and spin something. Read the entire article. It also cites this–
+19 POINTS!!! You are making something out of nothing.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@199 Ryan’s great weakness as a politician is that his ideas leave no room for compromise. Politics is the art of the possible, and what’s possible in politics is found in the middle ground, not at the ideological extremes of either right or left. Consequently, if Ryan became president, he would accomplish nothing, and would go down in history as the most ineffective president of all time.
dorky dorkman spews:
So, Romney chose a wingnut as a running mate. Should make his run to the center much easier.
Ryan can toss the red meat to the ‘base’ a la Palin.
Ho hum……………
Roger Rabbit spews:
The Real-World Obama Stimulus
“President Obama’s February 2009 stimulus bill … was a political disaster. … But the $787 billion bill was one of the most important and least understood pieces of legislation in modern history. … Just about everything Americans think they know about it is wrong.”
Myth #1: It didn’t create jobs.
“A year after Obama signed the bill, the percentage of the public that believed it had created jobs was lower than the percentage that believed Elvis was alive. But [it]directly employed more than 700,000 Americans … [and] produced about 2.5 million jobs and added between 2.1 percent and 3.8 percent to our gross domestic product. …
“It later became clear that the economy was free-falling much faster than experts realized at the time; … the bill helped stop that free fall. Job losses peaked the month before it passed. The jobs numbers that spring, while grim, marked the biggest quarterly improvement in almost 30 years.”
Myth #2: The money was wasted.
“Most of the Recovery Act consisted of straightforward aid to states…, infrastructure spending, and tax cuts. … And after experts warned that 5 to 7 percent of the money could be lost to fraud, investigators documented only $7.2 million in losses through 2011, about 0.001 percent. … [M]ost Republican examples of stimulus boondoggles were either removed from the bill …, never in the package … or wild distortions ….”
Myth #3: It was too small to help the economy.
“It’s true that a bigger stimulus would have … accelerated the sluggish recovery … [an] produced more jobs; … [b]ut there was no way Obama could have gotten another dime out of Congress. … The bill needed 60 votes in the Senate … and the three GOP moderates who supported it insisted that it couldn’t exceed $800 billion.”
Myth #4: The stimulus created no legacy for future generations.
“The stimulus was the biggest and most transformative energy bill in history, … expan[ding] … every imaginable form of clean energy …. It included $27 billion to computerize health care … [and] was a landmark in education reform. … It extended high-speed Internet to underserved communities … and modernized the … unemployment insurance system. … The stimulus will leave a … down payment on a greener, more competitive economy with a healthier, better-educated, better-connected workforce.
Myth #5: The stimulus bill proved Obama can’t legislate.
“Obama is … criticized for punting the stimulus to Capitol Hill. But while Congress wrote the bill, the president dictated its principles and … content. Its major initiatives … came straight out of his campaign agenda. Obama didn’t get everything he wanted. … But … was pragmatic enough to recognize that a bill that can’t pass Congress can’t make change.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Like so much of Obama’s first-term accomplishments, the stimulus bill is not only important in terms of what it accomplished, but is even more important for what it prevented from happening. We didn’t have another Great Depression. We didn’t spend years mired in double-digit unemployment. In the face of adversity, we didn’t sit on our hands and quit trying to create our future, as the budget-slashers would force us to do.
Republicans claim they want to renew America, but their platform stands for less of everything: Less higher education, less health care, less infrastructure, less sense of community and more every-man-for-himself. That’s not what I’m going to vote for.
Roger Rabbit spews:
De-chimping the GOP Party
The antics of Republicans are never-ending and always good for comic relief.
” … George W. Bush is being erased by the GOP — as if an entire eight years of American history hadn’t happened.
” … Romney has gone out of his way not to mention the name of the president who came after Clinton and before Obama.
” … George W. Bush won’t even be at the Republican [convention] — the first time a national party has not given the stage at its convention to its most recent occupant of the Oval Office ….
“The GOP is counting on America’s notoriously short-term memory to blot out the last time the nation put a Republican into the Oval Office, on the reasonable assumption that such a memory might cause voters to avoid making the same mistake twice. …
“Republicans want to obliterate any trace of the administration that told America there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq …; turned a … surplus into a $6 trillion deficit; … handed out a mountain of corporate welfare to the oil and gas industry, pharmaceutical companies, and military contractors …; [and] turned a blind eye to Wall Street shenanigans that led to the worst financial calamity since the Great Crash of 1929 ….
“Besides, the resemblances between George W. Bush and Mitt Romney are too close for comfort. Both were born into wealth, sons of prominent politicians …; both are closely tied to … corporate and financial elites, and eager to do their bidding; … and both [are] devoid of any consistent policies or principles that might give some clue as to what they actually believe. …
“Small wonder the Republican Party wants us to forget our last Republican president ….”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....67317.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: The GOP kinda reminds me of Russia after Stalin. I’m not saying they’re the same — they’re obviously not — but the de-chimpification of the GOP Party follows a similar pattern to the de-Stalinization of the USSR.
Puddybud spews:
Oh my… Soledad O’Brien reading Talking Point Moron while on the air in a “discussion”
Toooooooooooooooooooooo
Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Fuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnny
Proves once again the Bernie Goldberg is right about the slobbering libtard media having their heads up the Obummer butt.
Puddybud spews:
Unfortunately for Roger DUMB Wabbit, the going senile one; Romney’s father worked hard for his wealth unlike some DUMMOCRAPTS who acquired their wealth from stealthy means, or, were born into it, or married into it. So once again Roger DUMB Wabbit engages in callous class warfare. BTW wasn’t Roger DUMB Wabbit from Bloomfield Hills Michigan, what used to be a lily white town of rich peeps?
Puddybud spews:
Wow,
Two Roger DUMB Wabbit bloviating paste jobs #202 & #203 that the blog heads allow to live. Roger DUMB Wabbit can’t follow the rules like we who think right have to do, nooooooooooooooo! When you are a libtard, rules don’t matter!
Puddybud spews:
Ummm Roger DUMB Wabbit… you have the wrong man… Obummer’s great weakness as a politician is that his ideas leave no room for compromise. Starting with Porkulus Bill. Then ObummerCare. Go back and view his 2009 comments on the Porkulus Bill. then his 2010 comments on ObummerCare. Regarding the WaPo drivel you threw on the blog, Obummer had FULL control of the House and Senate. Another instance of the slobbering libtard media showing their true colors being in the Obummer tank.
If he couldn’t get what he wanted when DUMMOCRAPTS were FULLY in charge then he isn’t what he claimed to be! His policies were so GREAT in 2010 the DUMMOCRAPTS lost how many house seats Roger DUMB Wabbit?
MikeBoyScout spews:
Serially Wrong and other Republican cheerleaders would tell you that Slick Willard’s flop sweat driven pick of House Republican leader, Paul Ryan is a good (BOLD!) pick.
Two days after the selection, Politico leads with GOP pros fret over Paul Ryan
MikeBoyScout spews:
In other Good News For John McCain this morning two days after Slick Willard’s flop sweat driven House Republican leader, Paul Ryan ascension, David Stockman, Saint Ronald Reagan’s budget director, has chimed in over at the NYT with an opinion.
Paul Ryan’s Fairy-Tale Budget Plan
Slick Willard seems to really have rallied his base, no?
dorky dorkman spews:
re 205: “Romney’s father worked hard for his wealth….”
Romney’s father isn’t running for president. In fact, when he was running, he was one of the first politicians to say he was against the Vietnam war, claiming that when he was for it, ha had been ‘brainwashed’ by government propaganda.
That kind of honesty cost him the nomination.
Ryanistheman spews:
Can anyone explain why the National WEATHER Service is purchasing 46,000 rounds of hollow-point bullets??
http://www.infowars.com/nation.....-purchase/
WTF!
Rujax!...The President is still Black, GM is still ALIVE, and the US is on MARS (bitches)!!! spews:
Maybe pudypisspussy can explain to the class why Ryan is persona non grata in Florida?
Steve spews:
@211 Weather Service? You fell for that? Well, that was the game plan. Think FEMA camp, Klown.
Prison Planet? You birth a goat over a link from the Washington Post like they’re a bunch of fucking commies and then you turn around and post something from fucking Prison Planet?? Perhaps we should throw you in a FEMA camp for a few years and give you the waterboard treatment until you get your fucking mind right, Klown.
Ryanistheman spews:
So you aren’t addressing the fact that the Weather Service has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow-point ammo.
Ryanistheman spews:
So let’s try again–
Please explain this NOAA/Weather Service solicitation
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=bfd95987a1ad9a6dfb22bca4a19150cb&_cview=0
Your answer?
Steve spews:
“Your answer?”
What can I say, Klown? Executions start at the FEMA camps in November. Be there or be square. Bring your wingnut friends, but please leave the goat at home.
Puddybud spews:
Because of leftist lies!