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Open Thread 7/9

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– Seriously, Seattle. Stand on the right; walk on the left. I don’t know why we can’t master that one.

– Mitt Romney Venn Diagrams may be the perfect combination of political nerd and math nerd.

– America is now a bunch of semi-smart people pretending to be stupid to convince even stupider people that helping people is an awful idea.

– Shaun is having a fundraiser.

– Any questions Goldy asks would be considered abrasive by our differential press corps and political class.

– Big money donors are hilariously out of touch [h/t].

– Seventeen magazine isn’t going to use airbrushing. Or at least will explain when it is.

– I imagine there may be some tense negotiations ahead with Mr Rushdie’s representatives over image rights

Comments

  11. 11

    @ 9

    I was offered a bet by Rael. Still waiting to be contacted on that.

  13. 13

    Serial seems to be having a conversation with himself, above.

    10 of the first 11 posts are his, most with links to anti-Obama spin, and notably without any original commentary or analysis.

    To the moderators: can you ban this shit, please?

    It’s spin and propaganda, without discussion or commentary, bloggish verbal diarrhea, not meant to engage or discuss, but to earn his daily key-stoke quota mainline right-wing talking points.

    I’m still waiting for him, as asked repeatedly, for a simple list of 5 significant things that the Romney presidency will bring to the benefit of the American people.

    All I’ve heard is crickets.

    But nearly without fail, serialbub is here day in and day out posting ad nauseum with links to horse-racey anti-Obama spin. Look at the list above – do you really think the bub spent his morning reading the WSJ, Des Moines Register, Sacramento Bee, Politico, Washington Examiner, Indianapolis Star, and The Hill, found these articles, and decided to enlighten us with them? Or is this simple reposting of the latest talking points of the day from some worthless wingnut mothership?

  14. 14

    @ 13

    Crybaby. Typical liberal doesn’t like what others are saying so he wants their communications BANNED.

    Do you REALLY want me to begin an additional paragraph on my posts a la Roger Rabbit Commentary, Lib Sci? Would that make you happier?

    I hope you are teaching your 16 year-old differently than to attempt to suppress speech he/she does not like, Lib Sci. The best way to teach is by example. You’d have to grow up more than a little, but, you’re a scientist. Surely you can do it.

  15. 15

    @ 13

    I’d post some pro-Obama spin but it seems that most of HA already has that covered, Lib Sci.

    What would you do without me? Interact with Rujax?

  17. 17

    @16

    I’d read you My Little Pony, Rujax, but I don’t think you could keep up.

  18. 18

    “To the moderators: can you ban this shit, please?”

    If we first directed Bob to the Mayo Mental Health Clinic Self-Help Blog for Smarmy Narcissists then it wouldn’t be so much a banning of him as it would be an intervention being done for his own good.

    “I’m still waiting for him, as asked repeatedly, for a simple list of 5 significant things that the Romney presidency will bring to the benefit of the American people.”

    It’s far easier to come up with a list of five reasons why Mitt Romney should be considered a dangerous sociopath.

  19. 19

    Crybaby. Typical liberal doesn’t like what others are saying so he wants their communications BANNED.

    Not at all. My understanding of the rules around here is that simply posting links and excerpts, without comment or analysis, is frowned upon.

    When you do it as relentlessly as you, it’s abusive.

    I suppose like most right-wingers, rules don’t apply to you.

    No, I don’t want to suppress your speech, I just want you to do more than mindlessly pollute these threads with regurgitated drivel and talking points du jour.

    And I’m still waiting for you to make a positive, affirmative case for a Romney presidency. You’ve been dodging that query – that invitation to discuss – for a week now.

  20. 20

    Or you could just read the list of 25 above and call it good. It’s not like I’m going to change any opinions around here.

  21. 21

    @ 19

    If you are going to start agitating to decrease excessive posting, is it really me who should be addressed first? 100,000 and counting, I was told.

    If you look, you will see that I made some commentary five times. Whiner.

    And, in an open thread, is what I posted all that different from what was linked to in the moderator’s thread? They set the stage, after all. I just go right instead of left. You guys have left covered.

  22. 22

    http://posttrib.suntimes.com/n.....money.html

    Next Indiana gov won’t see much toll road money

    The Associated press May 13, 2012 9:24PM

    INDIANAPOLIS — As Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels’ tenure winds down, it’s unclear what kind of financial situation his successor will find for highway projects.

    The $3.8 billion that Indiana netted in 2006 from leasing the Indiana Toll Road to a foreign consortium will be mostly spent or allocated by the time the state’s next governor takes office in January.

    Mitch Daniels is a fucking liar…and this is the serial clownservative’s hero.

    Nice.

  23. 23

    Note how serialbub feels entitled to post relentlessly his talking points and every ‘doom-and-gloom Obama is toast’ story that is fed him from the mothership, but when called on it, and asked to behave civilly and according to the expectations around here, he gets all pissy and abusive and petulant – he’s just another entitled right-winger without the self-control not to boast when he thinks he’s ahead. (Which he’s not, BTW)

    Tiresome bore.

  24. 24

    @22

    Er…..

    Rujax………

    You did note that the lease money was spent on the $5.1B infrastructure backlog that existed when Daniels took office, and that’s why the money is largely depleted, didn’t you?

    He took transportation funds and spent it on transportation infrastructure.

    You DID catch that, didn’t you? Where’s the lie, Rujax? No one in the article alleged misappropriation of funds or dishonesty. Where’s the lie?

    Go read it again. Let your lips move this time around. It might improve your comprehension.

  25. 25

    If you check out (un)SP — the responses to the Jim Miller post about politicians met on the 4th, you will see that a rift is developing between the anti-gay/pro-unborn life faction and the more moderate Republicans who are starting to feel foolish having to pretend they agree with the haters.

    This is good.

  28. 28

    So… Serial is complaining the the President’s re-election campaign has placed more ads than Romney since Romney earned the “prsumptive nominee” label. He argues that the money was wasted, because the President’s poll number didn’t change.

    Of course, there are a lot of reasons for the timing of advertising campaigns. One is simply that there are still a lot of unkowns about the Romney campaign, including the VP pick, which will dominate the news cycles from now until the Convention. In contracst, the President’s campaign will generate little news. So to avoid getting “crowded out” of the news cycle, the President is turning the heat on Romney in direct ad buys – which in themselves generate news coverage. The fact that the President isn’t slipping materially in the polls doesn’t indicate failure, it might show that he’s erased an inherent advantage which Romney should have enjoyed right now. Perhaps that’s why Serial is complaining about it?

    And how come Serial is conceeding the point that the President’s poll numbers haven’t changed, then in subsequent posts he’s arguing that the President is quickly losing support? A little consistency, at least within the same day, might be a good thing, Serial.

    Of course, some swings are predictable. Both parties will probably get a temporary jump in the polls after their respective conventions. Then, all other things being equal, their support will settle down to what it was before the convention. McCain knew he was sunk if he didn’t find a “game changer” to significantly change this trend – hence the Sarah Palin nomination. I imagine that Romney is trying to find someone who can make him seem more human, but is competent and can go on the road for him without alianating voters. Good luck with that, Mitty.

  29. 29

    @ 28

    I didn’t argue that the money was wasted because the numbers didn’t move. It’s a reasonable inference but not one I made.

    One thing not pointed out is that Romney took a break after the primaries. That might translate into a fresher candidate in the Fall, and perhaps avoidance of ’57 states’ gaffes. Obama, on the other hand, isn’t seeming so fresh.

    I also did not say that Obama is quickly losing support. It seems to be steady, right now, although below 50%, which to most incumbents is a troubling sign.

    Next time you go putting words in my mouth, bub, make them accurate.

  30. 30

    Nice article on HuffPro about a recent Romney fundraiser in the Hamptons.

    Donors arrive at Hamptons fundraisers with advice for Mitt Romney

    The donars were obviously very rich. Those that talked to reportes while in their cars waiting on the drive for admittance complained that the President doesn’t understand that it is they, the wealthy, that “drive the economy”. One referred to those who don’t support Romney the poor and uneducated. Another expressed frustration that Romney wasn’t responding quickly enough to the President’s charges against him. Another complained about “class warfare”, saying that she also attended Democratic fundraisers along with a lot of other Romney donars.

    The cost of admission? $75K in “suggested” donations, either from yourself or bundled. For another $25K, you get your picture with Romney. And, of course, you get on his mailing list, which is sure to actively solicit even more money in the weeks ahead.

    Seriously, folks, we’ve got to come up with a way to divorce money from politics in the U.S., regardless of justice Robert’s attempts at the contrary.

  31. 31

    Re: # 30: I just realized that the article I quoted in # 30 is the same article Carl mentioned in his initial post. Sorry, I didn’t mean to duplicate.

  32. 32

    @ 30

    When George Clooney helped The One rake in $15M in one afternoon, rhp, do you think those donors were obviously very rich, too?

    How about the donors that George Clooney is going to shake down for Obama in Switzerland later this month, rhp? Are they obviously very rich? ’cause if not, Switzerland is a ways away from here. Unless Clooney’s headed that way, anyways.

    Seriously, rhp, when Obama outraised McCain 3 to 1 four years ago, were you whining about money in politics as much as you do now?

  35. 35

    re 32: “Seriously, rhp, when Obama outraised McCain 3 to 1 four years ago, were you whining about money in politics as much as you do now?”

    McCain spent a lot of of his political career trying to get the money and the influence that it buys out of politics (The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002). Maybe the corporate money wasn’t there partially for that reason.

    I think that McCain was really stung by the dirty and personal attacks that the Bushistas launched against him in S. Carolina in 2000. The fact that these dirty tricks actually worked with Republican voters seemed to take the wind out of his sails. To this day, there is a cynicism about McCain that did not exist before S. Carolina.

    He should have switched party’s right at that time. Republicans are the ignorant dregs of American political life.

    Another factor was that Obama was getting a lot of small donations and it appeared that he was going to win, anyway. That’s when the corporate money started hitting — not before.

  36. 36

    @ 33

    Well, Obama’s doing the tax-the-rich thing for the third time. Maybe he got the idea from the GOP. Or maybe they got the idea from him.

    Did anyone notice that Obama only wants to extend the middle class tax cuts for only one more year? Does anyone wonder why that is, rather than a permanent extension?

    Remember, The One is immune after a November victory. He’s then free to share the bad news. Like how much Obamacare is really going to cost and how few options participants are really going to have.

    Think about it.

  37. 37

    @ 35

    Look at when Obama reneged on his earlier promise and elected not to accept federal funding in the 2008 campaign. That’s the relevant date, not the 9/08 month, which if I recall correctly was his biggest.

  39. 39

    Obama’s not going to the NAACP convention this year.

    “He can have the gay pride celebration in the White House, he can have Lady Gaga in the White House and he’s in the White House today because of the civil rights movement and the price that was paid for civil rights,” said the Rev. William Owens, the president of the Coalition of African-American Pastors, a group that opposes Obama’s gay marriage stance. “He has met with the Latinos; he meets with everything except for the people who put him where he is.”

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/201.....rylink=cpy

  40. 40

    @ 38

    Though the fluids were natural and not the byproduct of drilling or hydraulic fracturing,

    YLB will take the opportunity to demagogue about them, anyway. ’cause he either didn’t read the piece or he didn’t understand what he read.

    There’s also this:

    No drilling chemicals were detected in the water, and there was no correlation between where the natural brine was detected and where drilling takes place.

    I would say something like ‘Correlation does not equal causation.’ but with YLB the concept is lost.

  42. 42

    40 – I’d stay put even with higher taxes Bob..

    The study is the second in recent months to find that the geology surrounding the Marcellus Shale could allow contaminants to move more freely than expected. A paper published by the journal Ground Water in April used modeling to predict that contaminants could reach the surface within 100 years – or fewer if the ground is fracked.

    There are no shale deposits here in the NW to my knowledge.

    How about your kids and grandkids.. Nice legacy to leave to them.

  43. 43

    Obama debunked several false Republican talking points about his record on taxes. The president said, “Since I’ve been in office we’ve cut taxes for typical middle class family by 3,600 dollars. I wanted to repeat that because sometimes there’s misinformation out there and folks get confused about it.” The president also stated that he has cut taxes for the middle class in every year that he has been in office, and that we have tried the Republican trickle down method for over a decade and all it has gotten us is more income inequality and larger deficits.

    http://www.politicususa.com/ob.....-rich.html

    Way past time we had a good soaking of the rich. They’ve been doing that to the rest of us for at least the last 30 years and more..

    It’s just the pendulum swinging back.

  44. 44

    @ 42

    How’s modeling and AGW going for you, YLB? Are we ice-free in the Arctic yet?

    When you read the words ‘modeling’ and ‘could’ in the same sentence about a study, YLB, you really should just ignore it and go on to the next item.

  46. 46

    @ 43

    Er……

    Maintaining the status quo isn’t a tax cut, YLB. He could be more honestly stating “The Bush tax cuts, which we continued, continue to benefit …”

    What new measures has he put in place to lower taxes, YLB?

    Well, lessee….. There’s Making Work Pay. $8/week, or double it if both family members work.

    There’s the payroll tax cut, also known as such money from the Social Security fund’s future to paper over current woes. Is that a cut? It wasn’t even a cut the GOP wanted, YLB.

    Good luck with this. No, really.

  47. 47

    Serial – so you’re a flat earther, er, global warming denier as well?

    Are we ice-free in the Arctic yet?

    No, but getting there.

    So, serial, are you ever going to make an affirmative case for a Romney presidency?
    I think unlikely, as it cannot be done, but I’ll keep asking.

    Maybe we should keep some statistics – the number of ‘bob’ posts that are anti-Obama attacks, versus the number of pro-Romney positives.

  48. 48

    46 – If you’re calling Obama a liar then start with the $3600 figure Bob.

    In lieue of wage growth modest tax cuts will have to do..

    Want the rest of us to pay more? Pay us more then.

  49. 49

    Why can’t ‘serial conservative’, AKA ‘bob’, make a positive case for a person to vote for Romney?

    Y’all chime in….

  50. 50

    @ 48

    I’m not calling him a liar. I’m saying that continuing a cut put in place by the previous leadership isn’t ‘cutting’ taxes, YLB.

    From what I read from others, you don’t have a job. Let me put it in terms you’ll perhaps better understand:

    If you were on welfare under Bush, and your welfare continues under Obama, did Obama grant you welfare?

  51. 51

    @ 47

    You being an eminent scientist an’ all, you should be checking places like this:

    http://www.climate4you.com/ima.....ceArea.gif

    That’s the NSIDC map. Rather than telling me what’s happening today, shouldn’t you be telling me what’s trending and how things have changed over a very long period of time, Lib Sci? That’s how a scientist would approach an issue, after all.

    You might note that arctic sea ice is declining, which is fine. But please also note that antarctic sea ice is increasing at about the same rate.

  52. 52

    re 49: “Why can’t ’serial conservative’, AKA ‘bob’, make a positive case for a person to vote for Romney?”

    It’s just gotten so tiresome to look at the comment threads and see only the reactive and predictable blathering of Cereal for the greater part of the thread. Why can’t he make a positive case?? — Because there isn’t one.

    What interests me is the rift that I see growing in the Republican party between the moderates and the racist kooks that they acquired after the passage of the civil rights act.

    Many rank and file Republicans are beginning to resent the fawning attention paid to your nitwit faction by the party leadership to the exclusion of more reasonable voices from main street.

    The long term pandering to the rightist kooks is fracturing the Republican party.

  53. 53

    That’s the NSIDC map.

    Um, well, no, it isn’t.
    If you look closely at the graph (that’s what we scientists do), you’ll see in the upper right corner the words “climate4you graph”

    ‘Climate 4 you’ is a science-y looking site with what actually appears to be cherry-picked data. Moreover, the site is run by noted climate change denier Ole Humlum, and includes regular blog entries from another climate-change skeptic Jennifer Marohasy.

    Nice debunking of them here.

    QED. You are, once again, shown to be full of shit.

    Now, about that affirmative argument for a Romney presidency you’re going to give us….

  54. 54

    @ 52

    That’s not what was asked. There are variations but it boiled down to me making a case for Romney that included 5 things that would benefit all Americans. Emphasis all, see below.

    Since there’s always someone in just about program or policy who is left out, it’s a losing proposition to even start. You pretty much can’t benefit everyone without someone being harmed. To try to come up with five things when even one isn’t possible is a non-starter, sorry.

    In 2004 an awful lot of people supported Kerry for the simple fact that he was not Bush. Reason enough to support Romney over Obama, if you ask me.

    I’ve taken all of the exams in my life I am going to take. Let someone ask me why I support Romney and I have an answer. Demand I make five points that are not possible and you are not worth my time.

  55. 55

    That’s the NSIDC map.

    Did someone tell you it was?

    Did you find this data in the original publication, the one you were reading this morning, between the Sac Bee and the Indianapolis Star? Which journal was it? Do you subscribe, or were you in the climate science library?

    You have all the hallmarks of a hack being fed talking points, whose ‘job’ it is to mainline them into otherwise liberal conversations.

    You really will need to do better than that.

  56. 56

    @54
    OK, I’ll dumb down the test for you, wittle bobby.

    Just give me an affirmative argument, based not on hatred or fatigue of Obama, but rather on active support for what Romney will do as president.

    Convince me, based on Romney’s good qualities and ideas, why I should vote for him.

  57. 57

    @ 53

    Data kindly provided by the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). Last month shown: May 2012. Latest diagram update: 6 June 2012.

    Click here to download the monthly sea ice extension data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).

  58. 58

    @ 53

    You’re right, I should have said graph and not map. It was on an aggregator site that took the info from NSIDC @ 57. The site offers the option to download the data directly from NSIDC.

    Since there are people like Rujax and, it is becoming apparent, YLB with limited cognitive function who read these posts, I didn’t go into depth. That’s IPA-worthy (at least one) but not during my workday, sorry.

    I am on Judith Curry’s site a lot. Oh, and Stephen McIntyre’s. Anthony Watts’.

  59. 59

    I should have said graph and not map.

    That was not the distinction I was making, though you show fine manipulative skills by projecting it as such.

    No, I was pointing out that you were posting data, perhaps genuine, however from a site notorious for cherry-picking parts of data sets to make their climate change denying arguments. The whole point is context, and your reference site is not credible.

  60. 60

    @ 59

    Go to the site, click on the download link, it connects you to the FTP server on which the data is stored.

    It will be there right next to the climategate emails that Phil Jones left uncovered. Heh.

    Speaking of manipulative skills and avoiding argument. I suppose calling me incredible for not going right to the NSIDC site (actually, I did, didn’t see it right away, then went to Watts’ site to find the .gif I ended up using) is your way of avoiding a discussion of overall sea ice extent. Nicely done, BTW.

  61. 61

    @ 59

    Admit it, LIb Sci, is this the discussion you thought you would have with an anti-union shill?

  62. 62

    @21 “100,000 and counting, I was told.”

    Gawd! Have you a mind? Have you a mind at all? As with the Trayvon Martin tweet, you readily believe and then begin repeating anything you hear that fits your preconceived notions.

    Look, the last time YLB reported the totals from his “databaze”, which wasn’t all that long ago, Roger had a little over 40,000 comments. My friend Puddy wasn’t too far behind. Remarkably, you’re on a pace, Bob, and I’m not kidding you, to be third on the list by November, passing all of the regular commenters here but two. If you have a mind, Bob, think of it. All but two.

    With that, you really should STFU, don’t you think? And maybe you should consider getting a fucking life.

  63. 63

    @ 62

    It was RR who stated he was at 100,000+. Ask him. I didn’t attempt to verify. This is not an easy site to search.

    Trayvon Martin: You mean the post in which I called him a thug in training?

    I believe it was on this very site that one of our moderators referred to Rob McKenna as a thug, last week. I think I’m on pretty solid ground using the term, if it can be applied so casually to McKenna.

  64. 64

    @ 62

    Don’t forget you seem to have redefined curb-stomping, Doctor Steve. On HA a hangnail is a form of torture.

  65. 65

    ?Why can’t ’serial conservative’, AKA ‘bob’, make a positive case for a person to vote for Romney?

    Y’all chime in….”

    He could start by making a case for Romney not being a fucking sociopath. But I’d rather see Bob try to make the case for himself not being a smarmy, narcissistic racist. That’d be an even bigger laughfest.

  66. 66

    Anyone else notice CNN starting to push back against The One?


    CANDY CROWLEY: (To Robert Gibbs) You all have invested very heavily in the Bain Capital element of trying to convince people of what Mitt Romney is about. And yet, this particular ad got four pinocchios from the Washington Post, which is not true. And this is what Factcheck.org had to say. “We found no evidence to support the claim that Romney, while he was still running Bain Capital, shipped American jobs overseas.” You now have a similar ad out. Why do you keep with that?

  67. 67

    “thug”

    You called Martin a thug without proof because you’re a racist, Bob, as you’ve shown again and again. Anyone calling McKenna a thug for his actions barring Goldy from a press conference is merely being observant.

    Into false equivalencies much? Obviously.

    “you seem to have redefined curb-stomping”

    Let’s see, a teabagger holds a woman’s head to the curb as another stomps her head. Curb and stomp. Can you follow this, Bob?

    Amazingly, you claim that it falls outside the realm of curb-stomping. Why? Because the guy didn’t stomp her neck and kill her as you once saw in a movie.

    As you have no mind, it’s really no surprise that you lack a moral compass as well, Bob.

  68. 68

    @ 67

    Here, Doctor Steve:

    Let Snopes help you out:

    http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi.....001248;p=1

    I actually saw the video at the Rand Paul event. It wasn’t a nice thing, but it wasn’t a ‘stomp’.

    You’re quite the Drama Queen, Doctor Steve. Jesus, did your father teach you to defend yourself, or did he just show you a pillow-fight video?

  69. 69

    “On HA a hangnail is a form of torture”

    Bob equates a teabagger holding a defenseless woman to a curb as another stomps her head to a “hangnail”.

    Someday, someone is going to do very horrible things to you, Bob. It’s going to happen to you because you go through life practically begging for it. Still, you’ll be surprised when the day comes when someone has finally had enough and obliges you. That’s because you’re really fucking stupid, Bob.

  70. 70

    Admit it, LIb Sci, is this the discussion you thought you would have with an anti-union shill?

    Absolutely, it is.

    Noting you have posted is at all original or surprising.

    Despite your apparent belief to the contrary, you appear very shallow and predictably right-wing reactionary.

    Your entire MO is posting negative comments and links, often of dubious truthfulness, in a smarmy, frat-boyish, condescending manner, with the sole purpose of…well, that’s not clear. You claim you want open-minded discussion, but you’ve shown yourself incapable of that.

    Your whole horse-race-y tone, the talking points nature of your posts, the diverse links that no one here really thinks you read independently (as noted above), the ‘zeitgeist-y’ qualities, like this:

    Anyone else notice CNN starting to push back against The One?

    …are what lead people, myself included, to strongly suspect that you are an operative of some sort, rather than simply an interested conservative with a masochistic bent.

    But to your original, very self-congratulatory question:

    Admit it, LIb Sci, is this the discussion you thought you would have with an anti-union shill?

    No, I don’t admit it, and no, you haven’t shown yourself to be anything other than a shill – anti-union, anti-science, anti-gay, anti-Obama, anti-Democrat, anti-Black…the list goes on.

    So, self-congratulated One, could you please enlighten me with that affirmative argument for Romney?

  71. 71

    @ 67

    Seems to me that someone who uses MMA-style techniques could be defined as this:

    thug (θʌɡ)

    — n
    1. a tough and violent man, esp a criminal

    You’re right, Doctor Steve, I don’t have proof. But there is a witness who described Martin as having used MMA blows against Zimmerman.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/b.....ess-758903

    What did you say @ 67, Doctor Steve? That witness was ‘merely being observant’.

    Works for me.

  72. 72

    If Serial thinks the curb-stomping of boots to the head of a young woman is the equivilent of a hangnail, let him volunteer to have someone perform a “hangnail” on him.

    Remember when those right-wing talking heads opined that waterboarding was not torture, until a couple of them (to their credit) volunteered to have themselves waterboarded? Total time from start to screams of panic = about three seconds.

  73. 73

    re 54: Well, just do your best. I grade on a curve and since you are the only one who has stated that you have a positive case, why not share it?

    You’ll get an ‘A’ for Affort from me! (See, nobody’s perfetc.)

  74. 74

    # 32 Serial: “Seriously, rhp, when Obama outraised McCain 3 to 1 four years ago, were you whining about money in politics as much as you do now?”

    I’ve been pretty consistent in being critical of money’s influence over politics, although perhaps more so in other places than on this board.

    That being said, you can’t decide in advance to bring a knife to a gunfight. In order to change the system, you have to be in office to do so. Romney won’t have the slightest inclination to change the system, and ultimately his supporters wouldn’t let him, as they profit from the current system. The President might – if we put enough pressure on him from the left.

  75. 75

    “Jesus, did your father teach you to defend yourself”

    Um, you’re a fucking joke. I thought you should know.

  76. 76

    @ 72

    Go watch the video. Next imagine it was a conservative alleging mis-treatment at the hands of a group of liberals.

    You want to be taken seriously? Stop whining about the piddly little shit.

  77. 77

    “there is a witness who described Martin as having used MMA blows against Zimmerman”

    Bob’s reasoning skills on full display. So any kid who took a martial arts class and who one day uses their acquired skills to defend themselves while walking home from the 7/11 after buying some Skittles and iced tea is a “thug”. It’s just black kids wearing hoodies, isn’t it, Bob? Trayvon got what was coming to him, didn’t he, Bob? You racists are all alike. You will twist yourselves into pretzels to justify your mindless fucking hate.

  78. 78

    “piddly little shit”

    Yeah, like a teabagger holding down a defenseless woman while another teabagger goes after her head with his foot. Piddly little shit.

    You’re such a fucking ‘tard, Bob.

  79. 79

    @ 77

    No, not any kid forced to defend himself/herself, Doctor Steve.

    Nice try.

  80. 80

    Serialbob – why can’t you mount an affirmative argument for Romney?

    We’d REALLY love to hear it.

    Why are you so into the guy? Underwear fetish?

    Give me a reason to vote Romney.

  81. 81

    @79 So Trayvon Martin is a thug for knowing a little bit about martial arts and using it to defend himself, but other kids who would do this aren’t thugs? Can you come up with an explanation for this view that isn’t steeped in your usual ignorance and racism?

  82. 82

    Well, at least I can come up with five reasons why Mitt Romney should be considered a dangerous sociopath, unfit to hold any public office.

    1. The torture of the unfortunate Seamus
    2. Organized a gang to bully a weaker student
    3. Impersonated authority figures
    4. Leads a religious cult
    5. Loves causing people pain by firing them

    Hmm, that sounds like a sociopath to me. What do you think, Bob?

  83. 83

    For Bob, a black kid defends himself with martial arts so that makes him a “thug”, but other kids who would do the same for some strange reason aren’t thugs. A woman’s head is held to a curb by a teabagger as another man stomps her head. Head stomped on curb. But for Bob, this is not only not a curbstomping, I’m pretty damned sure that he believes the thugs who did this to her are not thugs at all. They were American patriots, no doubt.

  85. 85

    Cereal’s forgetting that when Romney actually held office, he helped enact RomneyCare, which ObamaCare is, largely, a copy of, he raised taxes, and help pass some of the strictest gun laws in the nation.

    Would a President Romney be a huge victory for people like Cereal, YD and Puddy? I doubt it.

  86. 86

    “Provoke North Korea into firing long range missal at U.S.”

    No, that would be the Vatican…

  87. 87

    Report: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07.....z20AaKD0pk

    So…link to whackadoodle DailyCaller.
    Hmmm….”83% of doctors…” it turns out that that is a ‘statistic’-ish ‘finding’ from a ‘study’ by something called the “Doctor Patient Medical Association”, which is:

    The DPMA is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). DPMA Chair and Co-Founder, Kathryn Serkes, is on ALEC’s Health and Human Services Task Force.

    (From SourceWatch here)

    There’s more:

    Kathryn Serkes, Co-Founder and Chair (former public affairs and policy consultant for the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, during its litigation against Hillary Clinton and the White House Health Care Task Force, “and helping to spur the national coalition that lead to the defeat of the Clinton health plan”)

    Mark Schiller, MD, Co-Founder (Fellow, Pacific Research Institute)

    Amy Kremer, Co-Chair, “Patient Power” project (Chairman, Tea Party Express; Co-Founder, American Grassroots Coalition)

    Jennifer Hulsey, Co-Chair, “Patient Power” project (Co-Founder, American Grassroots Coalition)

    Yeah, I trust them *rolls eyes*

    More whack-a-mole with lying Republicans. What is with you people? Why can’t you just tell the truth?

  88. 88

    @14 “Do you REALLY want me to begin an additional paragraph on my posts a la Roger Rabbit Commentary, Lib Sci?”

    I’ll pass. I prefer you the way you are — a knee-jerk cut-and-paster. Given your total lack of critical thinking skills, any attempt to improve on that is bound to fail.

  89. 89

    The Obama Campaign has outspent the Romney Campaign by almost three-to-one on advertising since Mitt Romney won the primaries.

    and

    Yet, despite all of the negative advertising from the Obama campaign, polling numbers are exactly where they were before they started this onslaught.

    Cereal’s forgetting to mention that Romney’ been running for president since the 2008 primary and still can’t crack 46.1%.

    No one’s claiming that Obama’s campaign has been a runaway success. All Cereal’s doing is disproving a claim that no one’s actually making. Whoopee!

  90. 90

    One of the funniest things in the political blogosphere over the past week or two has been the uproar over Jonathan Krohn, who was beloved to the “conservatives” when he was 13 years-old.
    and spouting the “conservative” BS, but now they’re gunning for him because Peter Pan grew up.
    I was a right-wing child star
    Krohn wraps up a good piece with…

    So this is what this story boils down to: A 17-year-old has different opinions than he did at 13. People may be disappointed by how underwhelming that is, but it’s how the world works. Some people move on with life, mature, and realize that they don’t know everything nor will they ever know everything. Then again, some don’t.

    I would love it if a bunch of angry right-wingers stopped saying stupid things about me. I also want a six-pack, a mansion in the Hamptons and a beautiful woman with cans the size of my head. None of these things will happen, and I’m pretty comfortable with that. More accurately, I’m comfortable with who I am, which is all I can ever hope for anyway.

  91. 91

    great job yd(iot) @ 84

    The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[1] and call themselves a “a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine.”[2] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[3] and the “American Grassroots Coalition.”[4]

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....ssociation

    That’s as much a winner as the birfer bullshit you spewed here in days past.

  92. 92

    Roger had a little over 40,000 comments. My friend Puddy wasn’t too far behind. Remarkably, you’re on a pace, Bob, and I’m not kidding you, to be third on the list by November, passing all of the regular commenters here but two

    Small correction. RR has something approaching 72,000 comments and #2 Puddydope is a little less than half of that. I’m at around 25,000.

    Bob’s got quite a ways to catch up to that.

  93. 93

    Puddy is a little less than half of that.

    Well I better get crackin again!

    I’m at around 25,000.

    Which is it dopey one? At? Around? Sheesh whatatard!

  94. 94

    Direct from WikiPedia… the leftist leaning site!

    SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia) is a collaborative online wiki operated by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD), an American liberal organization

    OMGoodness… Lib da schmuck attacks Serial Conservative with a whackout libtard site!

    Tooooooooooooooooooooo

    Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

    Fuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnny

  95. 95

    “Bob’s got quite a ways to catch up to that.”

    Ah, the answer man. At a pace of 50 – 100 comments a day, Bob will be in the top tier by November. Point being, he really ought to STFU about how often Roger posts comments. It comes off as such a pathetic Psych 101 thing. So I’m just trying to help the poor sap work on his personal issues. Heh. I’m a good guy that way!

  96. 96

    @84 – funny how you could be worried about the possible shortage of doctors and not the possible shortage of water, or the possible negative effects of global warming. Did I assume wrong? You don’t believe in Global Warming do you? Or the possible shortage of water?

  97. 97

    “Well I better get crackin again!”

    At one point it was Roger’s 40,000 to your 30,000. So, yes, you’d better get crackin!
    I was somewhere around 10,000, which surprised me, even though it may have included a few other guys with the same screen name. I’d guess I’m at around 12,000 now.

  99. 99

    The right’s worried that having millions more customers to serve is going to be bad for the healthcare industry. It’s laughable, really.

  100. 100

    98. Gman spews:
    @87 the truth doesn’t work for them. Bunch of lying sacks of shit.

    07/09/2012 AT 6:03 PM

    I thought sacks of shit turned you on?

  101. 101

    too funny..YLBigot jumped my shit once for my support of tariffs.

    funny, now all the lefty talking heads like Thommy Hartmann and big-fat-fuck eddie schultz are now voicing their support for new import tariffs.

    poor YLBigot, whats he gonna do?

  102. 102

    gman, I thought you got arrested in Germany and deported to canada….

    did you make bail?

  104. 104

    49. Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:
    Why can’t ’serial conservative’, AKA ‘bob’, make a positive case for a person to vote for Romney?

    Y’all chime in….

    07/09/2012 AT 12:59 PM

    Thats funny, as i have yet to see the HA talking heads make a positive case of obama…or inslee for that matter.

    whats up with that?

    oh wait – YOU CANT! HAHAHHAHAHHAAHAH

  106. 106

    @102 – even better. But it will never make up for all the heterosexual shenanigans and murders. You can try to make it, but you’ll never get there.

  107. 107

    106. Gman spews:
    @102 – even better. But it will never make up for all the heterosexual shenanigans and murders. You can try to make it, but you’ll never get there.

    07/09/2012 AT 6:46 PM

    ahh yes, there is our true gman cumming out to play.

    those evul breedurz!

  108. 108

    – Seriously, Seattle. Stand on the right; walk on the left. I don’t know why we can’t master that one.

    Seattle is one of the rudest cities in the US..if you have traveled anyplace in the US, you know what I mean.

  110. 110

    Too damn funny!!!!

    The House Ethics Committee has launched an investigation of conflict of interest allegations against Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev.
    The launch of the probe throws a wrench into Berkley’s campaign to unseat Sen. Dean Heller, a Republican. The race is widely viewed as one that could help determine which party controls the Senate.
    Berkley is alleged to have improperly pushed for higher Medicare reimbursement rates for a kidney transplant program at a Las Vegas hospital where her husband, a nephrologist, works.

    This could give R’s control of the Senate.
    Don’t you idiots vet your candidates?

  112. 112

    funny, now all the lefty talking heads like Thommy Hartmann and big-fat-fuck eddie schultz are now voicing their support for new import tariffs

    It’s always seem to me that things started going to shit just after we started loosening tariffs and the like.

  113. 113

    @108
    I liked “old Seattle.” Money and the tech sector have ruined the place. Plus, most of the new buildings are ugly. Seattle architects should be deported. People build all sorts of beautiful buildings all over the world, but in Seattle mostly ugly shit gets built, like the concrete bunker across from REI.

  114. 114

    Serial Conservative (and others):

    Liberal Scientist is correct above. When you copy other people’s materials, you must do so consistent with fair use.

    That means, you should add your own analysis to the other author’s stuff. Otherwise you are simply plagiarizing.

    And, by “analysis,” I mean _analysis_. A trivial summary is really not sufficient.

    Here is a good rule of thumb: For every word you copy from an outside source, you should add a minimum of one additional word to your analysis.

    These comment threads are for discussion. If you want to simply post propaganda, start your own blog.

    Note that I rarely get tough on enforcement of the comment policy, but when it becomes abusive as happened at the top of this thread, I do.

  115. 115

    112. Michael spews:
    funny, now all the lefty talking heads like Thommy Hartmann and big-fat-fuck eddie schultz are now voicing their support for new import tariffs

    It’s always seem to me that things started going to shit just after we started loosening tariffs and the like.

    07/09/2012 AT 7:36 PM

    I agree

  116. 116

    @1,4,6,7 – It takes talent to get deleted from an open thread.

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  117. 117

    A new study confirms the rich get that way not by working hard but by having rich parents:

    “Just 4 percent of people who grew up in the bottom fifth of the household income ladder made it to the top fifth as adults … and only 8 percent of people whose parents were in the top fifth of households dropped to the bottom fifth as adults.”

    http://economywatch.msnbc.msn......finds?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Furthermore, the children of the rich have done a stinking lousy job of running this country.

  119. 119

    From the Jonathan Krohn piece.

    The Daily Caller, for instance, wrote three articles about my shift, topping it off with an opinion piece in which they stated that I deserved criticism because I wear “thick-rimmed glasses” and I like Ludwig Wittgenstein. Why don’t they just call me “four-eyes”?

    Sounds like Serial “Make fun of an african amercian girl’s looks to score political points” Conservative. Typical republicans. A bunch of closet bullies at best.

  120. 120

    The Fiscal Cliff we are about to fall off is Owebamamamama’s. The 16.4 Trillion dollar debt ceiling once again being blasted by, the 1.2 Trillion in mandatory government cuts, Payroll tax cuts exriring costing $1,000 in new taxes per 50k of income, the Bush era tax cuts expiring, not to mention the 21 new Owebammacare taxes. “Taxmageddon 2013”

  121. 121

    Spike Lee sez:

    How do you think President Obama is doing?
    I support him; my wife and I gave a benefit for him at our house. But I think this election is going to be close. Bottom line, there are many people in America who look at themselves and say, “Am I better now than I was before?” It is going to be tooth and nail, and I think it is going to get nasty. But, in my opinion, if they are trying to bring up Reverend Jeremiah Wright again, they are really reaching. I hope and pray that people are not going to go for the Willie Horton okeydoke.

    Do you think people will?
    I got faith that they won’t. Honestly, though, the big question is, I think there will be a block of people saying, “I cannot vote for a Mormon.”

    Are those people voting for Obama instead? That seems unlikely.
    They got a tough decision: Obama or a Mormon. Their beliefs got them between a rock and a hard place.

    So it seems Spike Lee has been watching PMSNBC. His favrit peep must be Martin Bashir and his uselessness! Even Jon Stewart had to take Martin and Larry O’Headcase to task over their Mormon hatred. Well hatred is the PMSNBC motto and we see who posts the most from PMSNBC eh Roger DUMB Wabbit? (#117 & #118)

  125. 125

    the rabbit appears to be jealous of other people making more money than he does, doing the same thing he claims to do.

    LMFAO..

  126. 126

    Which is it

    Whatever it is it’s less than your spewage here.

    b cs -t puddymoron -c
    +——-+
    | count |
    +——-+
    | 33485 |
    +——-+
    1 row in set

    And that doesn’t include June. I’ll have that tomorrow.

    Idiot!

  128. 128

    Don’t get me wrong, man, I worship capitalism — it sure beats working for the wages Republicans want to pay!

  129. 129

    @121 What’s wrong with MSNBC? It’s the online version of NBC, a reputable news site. Much more reliable than Puddy’s Ass.

  130. 130

    Which is it

    What a ylbDouchebag!

    Let’s try again… ylb farts

    I’m at around 25,000.

    So I gently ask

    Which is it dopey one? At? Around? Sheesh whatatard!

    Notice the moron is still the gutter level moron! Sheesh whatatard!

  132. 132

    127. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @125 and you appear to be jealous of me …

    07/09/2012 AT 9:31 PM

    if thats what it appears to you, then your view of reality is very warped.

    fail.

  133. 133

    @131 What does that make you? A stupid kid scratching his fingernails on the chalkboard because he likes to make noise.

  135. 135

    @118
    That might have something to do with the insurance companies and even Johnny B. saying they’re cool with parts of the ACA and the senate and white house being under Democratic control.

    The house will do nothing about it because there’s nothing the house can do about it.

  136. 136

    134. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @132 I’m closer to the ground than you are.

    07/09/2012 AT 9:45 PM

    so is dog shit.

  138. 138

    @40 Hey Serial I think YLB did read that article I think you may have missed this part…

    “Still, the brine’s presence – and the finding that it moved over thousands of vertical feet — contradicts the oft-repeated notion that deeply buried rock layers will always seal in material injected underground through drilling, mining, or underground disposal.”

    You know the part that says that the movement of the brine contradicts what the frackers say about the safety of fracking, at least in PA.

  139. 139

    @136 Dogs are useless! All dogs should be shot! All they’re good for is barking, shitting, and chasing rabbits! The only thing more useless than dogs is Republicans.

  140. 140

    Who’s going to pay for all this Marxism when all the Rich people Bail the country, ever thought about that?

    Socialite Denise Rich Dumps U.S. Passport

    (Reuters) – Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has given up her U.S. citizenship – and, with it, much of her U.S. tax bill

    By dumping her U.S. passport, Rich likely will save tens of millions of dollars or more in U.S. taxes over the long haul, tax lawyers say

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/.....sport.html

  142. 142

    Brad Pitt’s mom comes out and disagrees with her libtard son Brad… so what do the leftists do… read for yourself… Here’s a couple from the “litter”

    BRAD PITT’S MOM WROTE AN ANTI-GAY PRO-ROMNEY EDITORIAL. KILL THE BITCH.

    and

    Wow. Brad Pitt’s mom sounds like a bit of a c u n t.

    Why are libtards such nasty people…? Well in most cases it’s not the parents fault; unless, of course, they come from libtard stock! Why do libtards always want to shutdown opposing voices… Because their positions SUCK! Right minded people see through libtard mental dilemmas!

  143. 143

    Who’s going to pay for all this Marxism when all the Rich people Bail the country, ever thought about that?

    As the rich represent a significant portion of the sociopaths in the population – I say, “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out” – we’re better off without them.

    buh-bye!

  144. 144

    I had occasion to do more city driving yesterday than usual – and noted some fairly rampant stop-sign running and lesser not waiting one’s turn at a 4-way stop – and in every case the bad actor was driving either a Range Rover or a big BMW.

    Why the correlation? Entitled, manipulative, dishonest people use those traits to get lots and lots of money. And those behaviors permeate every portion of their lives – driving behavior is a window into someone’s decision making traits. Job creators my ass.

  145. 145

    OMGoodness… Lib da schmuck attacks Serial Conservative with a whackout libtard site!

    Yup, SourceWatch is a leftist site.

    Demonstrate that anything I posted from there is not true. Go ahead, fullsize, and show your work.

  146. 146

    144. Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:
    I had occasion to do more city driving yesterday than usual – and noted some fairly rampant stop-sign running and lesser not waiting one’s turn at a 4-way stop – and in every case the bad actor was driving either a Range Rover or a big BMW.

    Why the correlation? Entitled, manipulative, dishonest people use those traits to get lots and lots of money. And those behaviors permeate every portion of their lives – driving behavior is a window into someone’s decision making traits. Job creators my ass.

    07/10/2012 AT 6:23 AM

    shorter lib lab tech: democrats dont drive BMWs or Range Rovers(never mind obama’s visit to the east side to raise money).

    lib lab tech would have made a good german nazi back in the day: Blame a small segment of society for all the problems of society and demonize them – then demand that they leave or hand over all their property and money to the state.

    lab tech is a good little nazi.

  147. 147

    144. Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:
    I had occasion to do more city driving yesterday than usual – and noted some fairly rampant stop-sign running and lesser not waiting one’s turn at a 4-way stop – and in every case the bad actor was driving either a Range Rover or a big BMW.

    Why the correlation? Entitled, manipulative, dishonest people use those traits to get lots and lots of money. And those behaviors permeate every portion of their lives – driving behavior is a window into someone’s decision making traits. Job creators my ass.

    07/10/2012 AT 6:23 AM

    Shorter lib lab tech: I dont get paid very much and I drive an old piece of shit. I hate seeing other people drive nicer cars than I have. Everyone with money and nice cars must be a republican and an asshole driver, because if I think that way, it makes me feel better about the fact I cannot obtain these things.

    holy fucking shit dude, could you be more jealous? Wow!

  148. 148

    Why the correlation? Entitled, manipulative, dishonest people use those traits to get lots and lots of money. And those behaviors permeate every portion of their lives – driving behavior is a window into someone’s decision making traits. Job creators my ass.

    07/10/2012 AT 6:23 AM

    Is that your “scientific” conclusion? Can you back that up with evidence and data? Show your work, big guy.

  149. 149

    Shorter lib lab tech: I dont get paid very much and I drive an old piece of shit.

    Very not true, and, not true.

    I hate seeing other people drive nicer cars than I have.

    Not accurate, either.

    Everyone with money and nice cars must be a republican and an asshole driver

    Not what I said.

    Can you read?

  150. 150

    Is that your “scientific” conclusion?

    Nope, more like a hypothesis (look it up), but really a conjecture meant to provoke discussion on a political blog.

    You’re not very good with polysyllabic words, are you?

  151. 151

    I can read just fine..and I can read between the lines – which is why everything I said is pretty accurate:

  152. 152

    150. Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:
    Is that your “scientific” conclusion?

    Nope, more like a hypothesis (look it up), but really a conjecture meant to provoke discussion on a political blog.

    You’re not very good with polysyllabic words, are you?

    07/10/2012 AT 7:04 AM

    and you’re not very good at hiding your true, jealous feelings.

    so go ahead, keep demonizing others because you cant seem to get ahead…hows that working for ya?

    loser.

  153. 153

    Nope, more like a hypothesis (look it up), but really a conjecture meant to provoke discussion on a political blog.

    LOL…you cant even decide which one it is…getting a little flustered?

    sux to be you.

  154. 154

    Wow. Maxie’s really spinning this morning – spinning, sputtering, spit-flecked anger – better wipe down that monitor (maybe that’s why it seems you can’t read).

    I can read just fine..and I can read between the lines – which is why everything I said is pretty accurate:

    …kinda left us hanging there, old boy. It seems you’re asserting that what you write is accurate…because you can ‘read between the lines’? Does that make you dizzy? Like reading in a car?

    so go ahead, keep demonizing others because you cant seem to get ahead…hows that working for ya?

    That’s funny. Nope, doing just fine on that front, thank you very much. What’s with you, and puddles/fullsize too, bragging about what you’ve got, or insisting that others are jealous of you? Seems to be an interesting form of insecurity – a fear-based, money-based way to value one’s life. Aren’t you two the one’s who are always braying on about Jesus? How do you square that?

    “I’ve got a lot and you poor fools are all jealous and stupid” does not seem very Christian. What would Jesus say?

  155. 155

    you cant even decide which one it is…getting a little flustered?

    You seem to have difficulty with complex sentence structure. Nothing I said was contradictory or inconsistent. Again, is it all the syllables that has you confused?

  156. 156

    # 140: Denise Richards can surrender his passport and declare herself a non-citizen, and I couldn’t care less. She and her husband have been avoiding (evading?) taxes for decades, we aren’t losing anything because the money is parked in tax havens anyway. She’s been living in London for years with her kids, and considers herself an “international socialite” of which no mere national laws apply. She can leave, with good riddence, and I hope the door hits her in the backside on the way out.

    The only thing I hope is that they don’t grant her a green card or VISA which allows her to come and go at will from the USA. If her yacht gets seized by Somali pirates, don’t call on the U.S. Navy for rescue. I would prefer her to live like a “woman without a country”.

    Oh, and yes, I was greatly pissed when her husband was pardoned by Clinton.

  157. 157

    # 165: Sorry, I meant Denise Rich. Deinse Richards is the hot model/actress who was married to Charlie Sheen. She can stay.

  159. 159

    Demonstrate that anything I posted from there is not true. Go ahead, fullsize, and show your work.

    It’s a leftist site that you used to attack Serial Conservative.

    Serial provided great info. You couldn’t use a main stream site. All your site did was discuss who they are. Nothing else.

    Wait for it… something stoooopid from Lib da schmuck!

  160. 160

    @140
    Please tell me this means she’s leaving the country and never coming back. That would be nice.

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