You can’t blame every heat wave on global warming. But it is to hot. And Seattle is going to have more of these. Ugh. I feel especially strange wearing short sleeves to work. At least I am not buying an air conditioner.
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1,
Cool, huh?
I bet you’re wondering what it’s like.
I’m sure there’s some teevee shows about it you can watch while sweltering in your trailer, washing down snack cakes with cheap beer, nursing your foot ulcers, and waiting for the next gubmit check to arrive.
#youbuiltthat
@1 He’s a mod, not a commenter, dummy. He’s not an idle shiftless bum like you and me. Yes, we profile here; see #2 for further details about what’s in your dossier.
Here’s a tricky legal question: Can high school students wear t-shirts to class whose political messages might start a riot in the hallway?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/addison-barnes-oregon-student-to-get-25000-in-border-wall-t-shirt-case/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Inasmuch as courts have ruled that schools can regulate student free speech to some extent in the interest of providing a safe learning environment, the question here is, was the school wrong, or did spineless school administrators cave in to aggressive lawyers? And here’s another question: If they can’t keep provocative speech out of classrooms, can they keep guns out of classrooms, now that a couple of rightwing judges on the Ninth Circuit have decreed that regulating open carry is unconstitutional? Not sayin’, just thinkin’ out loud.
Sucking up to business lobbying at its worst.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-francisco-looks-to-ban-free-lunch-at-tech-companies/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Making it illegal for companies to provide free lunches to their employees in order to drum up business for local restaurants? What’s next, outlawing company cafeterias and brown bags to make workers drive a mile to a fast food? This is bullshit.
4,
It’s a settlement. So no value as precedent.
As far as historical precedent goes, the federal courts have since the 1930s granted public schools broad exceptions to the freedom of expression protections wherever they can assert an interest in preserving a “safe” and “orderly” learning environment.
We should assume that retained counsel for the district advised them that a $25,000 settlement was quite a bit cheaper than trial through appeals. Sounds like the Principal fucked himself and his district when he decided to choose sides, rather than ban all political expression. We should also be reminded that this is a door that swings both ways. The very reason for these exceptions in the first place was to suppress anti-government dissent during the campus free speech movement, civil rights movement, and anti war movement.
Broad, sweeping decisions that would permit a student to wear a “Donald J. Trump Border Wall Construction Co.” tee shirt would also, by definition, have to permit a student to wear a “Fuck Trump” tee shirt, a “Piss Christ” tee shirt, or a “Fuck Mr. Vernon” tee shirt.
I’m sure Shortbus will come along and share his expert legal opinion on whether or not Brett Kavanaugh wants that for “America’s youth”.
What America might be like if rightwing judges misinterpret the Second Amendment to allow open carry anywhere at any time.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pakistan-elections-suicide-blast-quetta_us_5b586f7ae4b0de86f4923ad2
Roger Rabbit Commentary: There was a time and place in American history where open carry was commonplace: The Old West. That was a time of unparalleled violence. Do we want to go back to that? Well, yes, Republicans do. They love the 19th century. God knows why. I guess because they’re dumbfucks.
One person’s hate speech is another’s free speech.
@6 My youthful experience with free speech was I didn’t have any in Pop Rabbit’s burrow. I fixed that by hopping into the sunset.
@8 Hate isn’t a crime, but harassment is. You have a constitutional right to be an asshole, but verbally abusing a stranger in a “direct, personal, and threatening” manner isn’t protected speech.
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After Glorious Burning Of American Flag,
(see, https://twitter.com/abc7carlos/status/1020059528870547456/video/1)
Still Another Racist Trump Symbol Gloriously Smashed;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-destroyed-with-pickax-today-2018-07-25/
Cashing a check at a bank while black. What was she thinking? She could have been shot!
“Wells Fargo tellers call the cops on elderly black bank manager for attempting to cash a check”
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/wells-fargo-tellers-call-cops-elderly-black-bank-manager-attempting-cash-check/
@4 One problem is that the school administration failed to use common sense and should have told the teacher and student who complained too bad. It would be ironic if one or both had worn a Che t-shirt during the year. The school then turns to an old trope that it can silence speech because a students t shirt could incite violence. The community is teenagers and any T-shirt especially a hello kitty t-shirt is just a accidental shove away from a riot,
Then RR does his pivot and brings up guns. I have nothing against open carry in schools, maybe there are some young men and women there who need to understand these tools exist and are out there. Maybe students should be able to open carry, and school administrators would not make such bone headed decisions where in the end the school is going to shell out bucks to attorneys and a student wearing a t-shirt about building a wall. A wall worked in Berlin for East Germany for decades. Also free speech demands that countering view points are out in the open. Also being high school one goal is that students on the opposite side of an issue can argue in support of those policies they personally disagree with.
So RR is you want to test what you bitching about open carry your gun at the local high school. Maybe call ahead so the waters are smoothed, but you can be the test case. Have fun walking the walk. Or is that hopping the walk?
@5 It just how out of touch to reality these guys are, Most restaurants from family owned Chinese and Mexican places to upper scale places feed their employees during their break. Or before or after the rush, It maybe the only perk they offer employees. Depriving the well heeled will have the unintended consequence that Han the dish washer goes hungry.
8,
I once experienced a guy put the muzzle of a 30-30 on the bridge of my nose and tell me he was going to kill me.
So, which one was that? “Hate” speech? Or “free” speech?
Bonus question: Do you think the 1st amendment protects that form of expression?
@6 The problem is that the Supreme Court has made precedent here and the court has come down that students have a right for expression. but that schools do have a duty to ensure safety, and try to balance the two. Of course the Oregon Supreme Court could be clear on the matter or perhaps they have been, and the attorneys also told the school: “by the way you will lose, if not at trial then on appeal.” I think if horses ass would convene a panel of attorneys on the matter you would find the majority siding with the student speech rights, and the school should take action to repair the damage and settle.
At least you did not pivot to attacking the 9nth circuit decision on gun rights, just because it ruffles your fur. Despite protecting your rights as a gun owner, and a fiery one who has encouraged dems and liberals to arm. Oh that free speech thing. Probably disturb some school administrators here in Washington state. Not to be discussed in their school….hopefully for them the students do not wish to discuss the issue. Or wear t-shirts before or against. Bringing alive the west side story to a school near you.
@10
Yeah, you have the constitutional right to be an asshole, and you use that right every time you post anything here. Your life has always been about being an asshole, and you’ve succeeded in every way.
Congratulations, you a truly an asshole of monumental proportions!
@15 I would say the guy was lying or was he a cop?
Whether the first amendment considered that free speech or hate speech depends. A psychopath could say what he said with absolutely no hate in the words. So it would not be hate speech, but that is the problem of the whole hate speech issue is you are assigning that this person with the gun has hateful thoughts about you. How do you know? Vulcan mind meld? The appropriately used has enough to charge the person with assault and does not need to deal with the issue of free speech, or hate speech. just this is what was said in a court of law. And you are still here to testify. So did you use speech to talk your way out? Fright speech? Or you used the Mel Blanch line: “The nigger gets it!” Faint, Did you meet god looking down that metal tube? Had a Jack Reacher moment seeing the selector in the safe position? What is the rest of the story as you are still breathing.
@13 “I have nothing against open carry in schools,”
Of course you don’t,
” … maybe there are some young men and women there who need to understand these tools exist and are out there.”
because you think pimply teenagers packing guns are a better antidote to antisocial school behavior than school guards, administrators, and police.
Either this is chain-pulling trolling or you’re the dumbest (fill in blank) on the planet.
@7 Was the Wild west really that wild or is there some or a great deal of exaggeration. After all the pony express only ran for 6 months, but the lore is amazing. Also you are talking about a hundred years of history over half a continent. With the American civil war that came west and is also is in the background of many of the Wild Wests most violent moments. There is the counter argument the west was safer. Or that the gun was a necessary part of frontier life as it had been when the original northwest was the nations frontier,
@14 “It just how out of touch to reality these guys are”
I’d like to know how they’ll enforce it. What’s a free lunch? If an employer charges its employees $1 to eat in the company cafeteria, is that permitted under this law? If not, how about $5? Will a city inspector pore over their expense ledgers to make sure they’re not charging below cost? What if the company cafeteria charges market prices but gives employees free lunch vouchers as a perk? Will they try to ban company cafeterias altogether? Will water coolers be illegal, too, and be replaced with coin-operated dispensers?
@10 Unfortunately the harassment law is often misused, and not well understood. It can b used to improperly silence. Or to have a chilling effect. The fact only used part of the statute contributes to confusion. And there are grey areas where judges must decide between an abundance of caution and speech. Sometimes the abundance of caution wins out improperly. And still harassment tends to be more civil than criminal, a claim of harassment may get a victim an order of protection, but the criminal part only comes in when the person restrained breaks the provisions of the order. That can lead to criminal prosecution, and that prosecution will rely more on how so and so broke the order, not so much what was said.
@16 “At least you did not pivot to attacking the 9nth circuit decision on gun rights, just because it ruffles your fur.”
I criticized (not “attacked”) the poorly reasoned 2-judge opinion on open carry (not “gun rights”) because open carry is a bad fucking idea. Even Wyatt Earp, in 1881, in Tombstone, thought it was a bad fucking idea and worth risking a gunfight to prevent. Open carry will turn every sidewalk and parking lot in America into a potential O.K. Corral, given how many morons are loose out there. Think about it, 63 million of them were dumb enough to vote for Trump, many of whom own guns, no small number of which are intolerant racists and bigots, and you want to allow open carry? See #19, last sentence.
@12 at the cops are the heroes of the story. Cops show up. Tell the bank they are being twits and lady finally gets to cash her check.
@17 Yeah, but every once in a while I send $25 to Goldy to keep this forum going so freeloaders like you can complain about me. He doesn’t charge you for it, and I’m not asking for reimbursement.
@19 So you did not answer the question about whether you are going to be the test case. Are you?
All I know for some reason the state believes it has a right to open carry at a school. As any school and you will find out armed police officers are there on a regular basis. If the officer is with the police department he or she often is armed in a position that should not be armed. (Cannot have unarmed officers out on the beat, that could endanger them. They really do need it dealing with some kindergarteners and first graders as they have not yet been socialized.)
@18 “Whether the first amendment considered that free speech or hate speech depends.”
There’s no “depends” involved in someone sticking a 30-30 in your face. In this state, that’s a Class A felony.
@25 Don’t hold your breath for confirmation from Goldy. As long as RR isn’t taking a tax reduction and knows he is putting the money in Goldies pocket he can do that. You can too. Or if you like you can send Goldie a check for me. That includes you RR and I accept good old fashion cash. Large or small bills. If you are feeling generous daddy rabbit bucks. I will put those GE bucks to work.
@20 “Or that the gun was a necessary part of frontier life as it had been when the original northwest was the nations frontier.”
The best argument against the “original” interpretation relied on by those 2 judges I’ve seen. If downtown Honolulu was still a frontier, they’d be right. Perhaps they’re right in certain parts of L.A., NYC, and Chicago. But they’re certainly not right at 3rd and Pike in Seattle.
16,
Stop the lying, you fucking idiot.
This case was filed in federal court. So it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Oregon Supremes. It never went to trial. It was settled pre-trial. Read. Don’t be lazy. You’ll wind up in a trailer on SSI like every other Trump voter, if you aren’t there already. The U.S. Supreme Court has an eighty year, very well documented history of proclaiming that students in schools, and even legal adults on college campuses, have absolutely no right to free expression whenever the educational administrative authorities proclaim an interest in preserving “safety” or “and orderly learning environment”.
The Court has upheld the legal authority of school districts to determine what students may wear, and even how they may wear their hair, so long as they cite any credible interest in preserving “the learning environment”. Courts have granted such broad deference to school authorities that they even permit them to extend the “heckler’s veto” beyond the school walls. The Court has upheld the legal authority of school districts to police social media accounts, online videos, blogs, and various other forms of expression located entirely outside the physical confines of school property.
@27 That charge is based on the action of sticking the 30 30 in some ones face, certainly gives the words: “I’m going to kill you.” gravity in that the words are a threat and can initiate the same charge if the county prosecutor decides to do anything. The statute does not require the prosecutor to show hate, just the actions. If the prosecutor can show malice of some kind then that will likely help get a conviction in front of a jury should the prosecutor charge the case and it goes all the way to trial.
And again you don’t state what statute and give the statute in whole. Rather sloppy of you counsel.
PS And yes I know you are now up to at least two different statutes. Perhaps three different statutes.
If the Constitution means exactly what the Founders meant, then you have a constitutional right to carry a flintlock muzzle-loading rifle and Bowie knife, but that’s it. There can be no constitutional right to possess, much less carry, any weapon that hadn’t been invented yet, because they obviously didn’t mean those weapons when they spoke of “the right to keep and bear arms.”
This is a logic trap that so-called originalists can’t escape from. Either we update our interpretation of the Constitution to adapt to changes in society and techology, or we don’t; you can’t have it both ways. If you want the 2nd Amendment to apply to AR-15s, then those rights have to be defined and be subject to restrictions in the context of today’s societal conditions and realities. For example, in frontier society it was common for children to bear arms, but that’s neither safe nor appropriate in today’s society.
In any case, it is not the words that count, but the ideas they represent. The words of the Constitution aren’t an end in themselves; they merely convey ideas. Even the meaning of words changes over time and usage. “Militia” doesn’t necessarily mean today what it meant in 1787. If it did there would be no individual gun rights, only a right of the states to maintain National Guard units.
18,
He wan’t lying, he wan’t a cop, and it was not criminal assault.
Now, if you can trouble yourself to take the time to learn under what circumstances pointing a rifle at a complete stranger and shouting “I will kill you” in a loud and clear voice in the presence of witnesses, would not be criminal assault you’ll be a tiny step closer to knowing the law.
@29 Not all of the judges on the 9th circuit are familiar with 9th and Pike in Seattle. That is one unique place in the 9th circuit and it cannot be their sole concern. They must consider all the 9th and Pikes in every city and town in the circuit, All he unique and not so unique places and oddly the circuit does cover a good portion of the alleged wild west. Hawaii being the only state that used to be a monarchy. I don’t think the circuit court can base their decisions totally on how things are in Honolulu or the mythical Gilligan’s Island.
27,
It was in your state.
It was not a class A felony.
@28 Goldy has never failed to send me a thank-you via email. As for making a donation in your name, I hereby dedicate 1% of my most recent donation to you. That’s two-bits, chump, a high price to pay for what you contribute to this blog, so you can’t accuse me of being ungenerous. This post is your receipt.
@33 That would require you to fully disclose those circumstances. You have not. Generally you have said enough that most prosecutors would at least contemplate probably cause. Or contemplate charging the man. There is certainly enough for them to make a charge, but they may not because they actually do like to win cases. They do like tick marks in the win column as their job is political in nature at least every so often when they go to the voters to usually run unopposed to near certain victory unless they don’t have enough checks int he win column and look weak on crime.
@36 I will thank you when Goldy gets me the two bits. Why don’t you make another donation. He may not like making out checks for less than a dollar. It’s such a pain to write those out and for me to cash one. I have but the tellers look at you. weird.
37,
What the fuck is “probably cause”?
Jeeezus.
In your state, a criminal defendant was accused of brandishing a firearm, pointing it at a person unknown to them, and declaring aloud to that person and in the presence of witnesses an intent to kill them. There is only one item missing from the fact set. A fact know only to the criminal defendant at the time of the offense.
But it is that crucial fact that prevented the offense from being charged as a felony in your state.
Figure it out. There is really only one possibility.
@31 There are degrees of assault. Saying “I’m going to kill you” gets you a higher level charge and more jail time if you’re pointing a gun at the victim when you say it.
“And again you don’t state what statute and give the statute in whole. Rather sloppy of you counsel.”
I normally charge for that. If you get paid for your work, why do you expect me to do this for you free?
@33 Military training?
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https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/07/25/michael-cohen-secretly-recorded-cnns-chris-cuomo-wsj/
LOL, Your Karma Sucks, Demorats
41,
entirely civilian. Not “theatrical”. Not a joke.
Not assault.
@35 Basic training or AIT at Fort Lewis comes to mind.
@34 The only thing the judges in this case had authority to consider was a law that applies only in Hawaii. Specifically, the question before these judges was whether Hawaii’s regulation of carrying guns in public unduly burdened the complaining citizen’s 2nd Amendment rights. The 2-judge majority didn’t even say Hawaii can’t regulate guns. They simply found the regulation in question too restrictive.
41,
But it’s right there in Title 9 of the RCW, although I think the offense has been renamed since. At the time could only have been charged as a gross misdemeanor. Today I think due to revisions to your criminal code it could be upgraded to a Class C felony.
@37 He’s not required to disclose anything. He’s making us figure it out. It’s sort of like a Roger Rabbit Quiz. He’s testing your ability to think.
@38 Oh, so now you want me to give YOU the money?? I generously donate 25 cents to HA in your name, which is a lot more than what you’re worth here, and you want Goldy to send it to you? How is that different from grabbing money from the tip jar in a restaurant? Do you do that, too?
@39 How can he be a criminal defendant if he wasn’t charged?
But a potential criminal defendant who did that could avoid being charged if it was self-defense.
@30 The least you can do then is cite the case. I had the overall impression the attorneys had not made a filing in any court. And even at the Federal level the states laws do make a difference. If the attorneys filed in Federal court then maybe Oregon courts have been deficient in following Oregon’s constitution in the area of student speech rights. The US Supreme court has upheld student speech rights and whittled on them, so beyond using some common sense school administrators do not have a bright line to follow on speech rights, and it does make a difference whether it is elementary, middle, high school or college.
I think the schools administration made a bad call, and should have told a student and teacher to go pound sand. If a fight happens then deal with the fight. Just like they would if a fight occurs over a Statler Brothers t-shirt and the victim does not get to tell the protagonist opps guess they are the Oakridge Boys.
If you are going to claim these other instances please cite cases, and it all may come down to the last case that went in front of the Supreme court where the court waffled and the rules in this area maybe unclear to lower Federal courts.
@46 Your kid.
@50 Here ya go, chump. This one’s a freebie.
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Barnes.pdf
Links to the rest of the filings are here:
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/24581275/Barnes_v_Liberty_High_School_et_al
Enjoy.
@49 In that case the Prosecutor is deciding not to make the charge. Prosecutors discretion. (No the prosecutor cannot pursue every case of littering.) Prosecutor could also charge and make the accused take that as a defense. As I said Prosecutors like wins, so someone with a credible defense should not be charged as someone outside the Prosecutors jurisdiction should not be charged. Or if the police never give the prosecutors office the case there will never be charges. Just given the information given originally a prosecutor could make a charge or charges, and not have to rely at all on hate speech.
@40 And you do not have to speak in a public forum and if you do professionally you should know you gotta back yourself up, you cannot just spout out at the mouth. Some asshole fro Missouri might say show me, and you are going to have to show him or her.
@47 Under the facts given the person pointing the gun and making the verbal threat could be charged under the states statutes. Nor does this help his original rhetoric about hate speech. He is leaving facts out, and I do not have to play, since he or she is being disingenuous, I think a panel of Prosecutors would agree.
What happened to the loon? Did he finally get himself lynched!? I sure hope not. I tried to warn him many times, “Don’t hang out with those deplorable white supremacists!” SAD!
@52 Thank you if you reread the news story you poste it just says a lawsuit was filed. Other than an injunction by a Federal judge it does not state if the lawsuit was brought tin State or Federal court originally. The kids attorneys went federal and the school attorneys said settle. I do not think you are in disagreement with what happened. It may not have been so cut and dry had the school decided to fight. Maybe they were until the injunction.
Still your pivot to guns was unnecessary, had nothing to do with your original point of discussing a difficult issue of free speech. Difficult enough without introducing the element of free carry.
@53 “(No the prosecutor cannot pursue every case of littering.)”
Explain how sticking a 30-30 in someone’s face and threatening to kill them is like littering?
@54 “you cannot just spout out at the mouth”
Sure I can. You do it all the time. So does Doctor Dumbfuck, and Puddy spouts pure gibberish, in all caps even. There’s no law or rule against it.
@55 He said he left one fact out, and you don’t have to play.
@57 If you click on the first link in #52, the caption of the complaint says “United States District Court, District of Oregon.”
@58 When it’s Dirty Harry he tends to litter with bad guys brains and guts.
“A group of conservative lawmakers on Wednesday filed articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is overseeing special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/07/25/gop-lawmakers-file-articles-of-impeachment-against-rod-rosenstein/23489702/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: For not indicting Hillary? For some reason, I suspect this isn’t going anywhere, except maybe into Democratic campaign ads.
@58
On the information given the guy sticking the gun in someone face and sayin I am going to kill you could be charged under:
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/defa.....=9A.36.011
Or another assault RCW or the harassment statute, or an inventive prosecutor could throw in unlawful imprisonment. There are defenses, but no facts provided. Maybe the DA does not like him.
@63 It will go farther than any Democratic proposals to impeach Trump. Yes likely to die in committee.
@64 That was my initial reaction, but based on the clues he dropped, he may be looking at this one:
http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/defa.....=9A.36.041
@65 I don’t believe Trump will be impeached. That has to be bipartisan. Things have changed since Watergate. Nixon’s goose was cooked when his own party turned against him, but Republicans don’t put country above party anymore, and they’ll defend a traitor now if he has an (R) next to his name.
In fact, I’m not convinced Democrats should impeach Trump. For one thing, they would get Pence, who’s just as rightwing and might be far more electable than Trump in 2020. But the main reason is election results — however flawed — should be treated as sacrosanct except when there’s compelling cause for removal, otherwise our politics might degenerate into tit-for-tat retaliatory impeachments every time a new president takes office.
@49
I suggest our panel include one or more of these attorneys:
https://www.seattlecriminal-law.com/assault/
https://www.dui-defender.net/assault-charges-washington-state/
http://www.washingtonassaultattorneys.com/
https://www.beckwithlawgroup.com/assault-charges.html
I think based on what was stated all of these attorneys would be surprised a prosecutor did not file a case assuming the prosecutor knew about it. Maybe if we are told the rest of the story they might go oh the prosecutor office did a good job, but on the facts given I think they would agree the guy who threatened a stranger with a gun be charged with assault of some type. They may disagree with if it is a a,b,c or D, but that is what defense (liberal?) attorneys do.
64,
“…with intent to inflict great bodily harm:”
Where in the slightly limited fact set as given is the specific evidence of this intent? Think about it carefully. What sorts of things might be required to form a credible intent to inflict great bodily harm?
Put another way…
what might be “missing” that would preclude this charge?
@69 A bullet.
Facebook’s stock cratered in after-hours trading this evening, dropping over 20% after the company reported falling revenues and a declining subscriber base in its earnings announcement.
Market close: $217.50
After hours: $173.50
Change: -$44.00
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Facebook is paying the price for its misdeeds. The whole business model is predatory. Zuckerberg is a world class jerk. No sympathy from me.
(Full disclosure: Roger Rabbit does not own FB stock.)
Real local government story.
A Street Car Named Desire?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-seattle-streetcars-too-big-for-current-tracks/ar-BBL34Ia?ocid=spartanntp
@70 Not required if the victim could have believed that the weapon was loaded. Happens often enough that an unloaded weapon somehow kills someone. Often a friend or loved one. And depending firearms can do physical damage without a bullet. English common law. Now if the victim had a Jack Reacher moment and realized the stupid person with a gun had the weapon on safety or that it was loaded and relieved the weapon from said person. a Prosecutor might be reluctant to file charges, but could do so. As I have said Prosecutors like check marks in the win category. The verbal threat would be sufficient for charges.
70,
Bingo!
Rifle was not loaded, thanks apparently to the scumbag’s wife who hid the ammo whenever he got drunk. I’ll always be grateful to that woman, though I never got to meet her.
Dude was charged under SMC with Menacing, a gross misdemeanor equiv to Assault 4, so RR had it back at 66. Plea agreement, which is how the system works. Had he refused the agreement they would have tried for the Class C felony maybe.
He knew the rifle was not loaded, but he nevertheless carried it into my house and threatened me with it. He took a big chance and scared the shit out of me in the process. Very weird experience. Very confusing.
And, as it turns out, not a protected form of expression. Go figure.
Shortbus, you had an opportunity here to engage in some critical analysis and maybe even learn. Instead you just keep making shit up and throwing random darts. Like 73. None of that is true. Criminal statutes are very literal. That seems to be a problem for you. You always seem to be drawing comparisons between things that feel similar and forming metaphor. The law hates that. When the statute defines criminal intent in the text you have to rely on it. Knowing his weapon was not loaded as he did, the asshole could not have formed the intent as set forth in the statute for felony assault. The facts as known to the prosecutor did not support that conclusion. Bringing a charge under that statute would have been irresponsible. A gross misdemeanor is still a pretty serious offense. Asshole got a short spell in county jail and a criminal record that fucked him for life.
Republicans are willing to toss billions to farmers hurt by tariffs to buy their votes, but they resent spending pennies on abused women.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/the-trump-administration-is-attacking-a-crucial-lifeline-for-domestic-violence-victims/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: How can anyone with a conscience vote for these weasels?
@74 Must’ve got his legal education from YouTube.
This week’s big news is that President Blowhard backed down on Putin and European trade just like he’s backed down on North Korea, family separations, and everything else.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/donald-trump-tariffs-putin/index.html
#allhatnocattle
Wherein the GOP becomes the party of equipping criminals with untraceable guns.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/austin-petersen-missouri-gop-senate-ar-15_us_5b59ae8fe4b0de86f493ec81
Republican hunters are vandalizing African lion populations, but you need connections to get one of these special permits.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lion-trophies-us-government_us_5b594812e4b0fd5c73cb950a
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Before Trump came along I thought the GOP would turn our planet into a lifeless cinder within 50 years, but now I don’t think it’ll take that long.
42,
That is what trolling looks like, Steaksauce. See what he did there? Get it? You so richly deserve this. Now go crush another pill.
#youbuiltthat
@74, 76
Fantasy boy is very dreamy in his thoughts and a complete bore. Very swooshy.
42,
you might also take a moment to read the transcripts of that recording you mention. That’s Mr. Safety School, Esq. admitting to campaign finance violations. In case you haven’t figured it out, Mr. Safety School, Esq. is a lawyer in name only. I’d say he’s done very well for a Cooley Law grad. Most of those guys end up driving Uber and pencil whipping paperwork for pennies at LegalZoom.
But make no mistake, he’s a bag man. People who can afford it hire guys like Mr. Safety School, Esq. because they want the shield of privilege to help conceal activities that they fear might be either embarrassing, or criminal, or both. The reason guys like Mr. Safety School, Esq. agree to do this kind of work is because they are too stupid and they have no other good options. So you can’t be surprised that he’s releasing a tape of himself admitting to criminal acts.
Maybe it’s a good move for him. Who the fuck knows? SDNY has all the time in the world here. Some day soon maybe Mr. Safety School, Esq. will figure out that Lanny Davis isn’t actually working for free, at which point he’ll realize he’s run out of time. Maybe he’s already there, and he’s hoping land a huge score from the media. But with the OSC knocking on the SDNY’s door for some discovery, why on earth would anyone be willing to pay for stuff that’s going to come out in court?
The real story in all this isn’t the sticky, smelly, drug-fueled rawdogging of porn stars in hotel suites behind Melania’s back. It isn’t the arranged abortions or the media catch-and-kill deals. The real story has always been the money. Just the money. You’ll want to make note that one of the admissions on tape involved Mr. Safety School, Esq. informing his “Daddy” that he’s getting the money from Allen Weisselberg, “unwitting” director of The Trump Foundation, and keeper of “the checkbook”. Just another example of many. Many. Mr. Safety School, Esq. was arranging to set up the shell companies to payoff the porn fuck ladies with charity money. Oy. These people find more ways to break the law in one twenty minute phone call than you would ever think possible. And when the dust settles, it won’t be about semen stains, or urine soaked mattresses. It’ll be a shit ton of financial crimes. And we all knew this going in. Even Roypublicans knew it.
#youbuiltthat
@82 “You’ll want to make note that one of the admissions on tape involved Mr. Safety School, Esq. informing his ‘Daddy’ that he’s getting the money from Allen Weisselberg, ‘unwitting’ director of The Trump Foundation, and keeper of ‘the checkbook’.”
An intriguing question is whether Trump took charitable tax deductions for his pornstar payoffs by funneling them through his so-called “foundation.”
83,
Among the many criminal layers, sure.
If it’s deemed a campaign expenditure, it’s a crime not to have reported the expenditure. An operating private foundation may not make political campaign expenditures. So cutting a check to silence a porn star during a political campaign would be another crime. Structuring payments like these, by setting up shell companies to conceal the true purpose of the expenditure is another crime. Etc. etc. And this is but one transaction of many. Weisselberg claims in his deposition that he was unaware that he was named as a director of The Trump Foundation in the documents of incorporation “for at least the last ten or fifteen years”, and that he never took part in any decisions during that time about how the money was spent (if he were a lawyer, he’d make a better one than Mr. Safety School, Esq.). That ten year time frame roughly corresponds to the point in time when Trump ceased contributing personal and family funds to the foundation and began soliciting public contributions. The cessation of private funding, and the transformation to solicitation of public contributions has further legal, and potentially criminal implications. A public charitable foundation has different reporting and auditing requirements. It is not clear if some or any of these requirements were met. To outside appearances, the foundation continued to operate as though it was funded by private family funds and the income earned on investment of those funds.
Private foundations like these are allowed to operate opaquely for the most part presumably because “hey, it’s your money”(conveniently ignoring the fact that the tax deductions amount to a public contribution). But public charities and foundations must fulfill additional reporting requirements so that, at least the public has the opportunity to understand what they are contributing toward. In neither case is self-dealing allowed, but in the case of private foundations it can be difficult to detect. I’m sure part of the reason for filing the NY lawsuit is to compel discovery and learn precisely where the money came from and how it was spent over the last ten years, a period during which there appear to have been absolutely no meetings of the directors, yet during which period the foundation continued to raise and spend money.
@ 84
Private foundations like these are allowed to operate opaquely for the most part presumably because “hey, it’s your money”(conveniently ignoring the fact that the tax deductions amount to a public contribution). But public charities and foundations must fulfill additional reporting requirements so that, at least the public has the opportunity to understand what they are contributing toward. In neither case is self-dealing allowed, but in the case of private foundations it can be difficult to detect.
Hence the entire basis for the existence of The Clinton Foundation.
Demorat Pornstar Party Of Death News–Shocking Proof That NBC & WSJ Are Russian Spies, Disgustingly Publish Fake Poll Claiming That Americans Think Demorats Are Loons
—————
Joseph Curl at The Washington Times reported:
Let’s get right to the good stuff: In a new poll conducted by NBC News and The Wall Street Journal, just 33 percent of those surveyed think the Democratic Party is “in the mainstream.” More than half (56 percent) consider them out of step.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/latest-poll-finds-todays-democrat-party-scares-the-hell-out-of-voters/
@ 86
There’s a common claim by leftists they they only look far-left because the center has moved so far to the right.
This data is not consistent with that claim. Which really is little surprise. Most data, whatever the topic may be, is not consistent with whatever Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit might claim on any given day.
85,
The Clinton Foundation is incorporated as a public nonprofit 501(c)(3) corporation qualifying as a publicly supported organization under section 509(a)(1). Not as a private nonprofit corporation. Big fucking difference. The Donald J. Trump Foundation was founded as a private nonprofit 501(c)(3) corporation under the general rules as a private foundation.
While there are big differences, it may be helpful to think of the differences in compliance requirements between private for profit corporations and public for profit corporations. The other big difference has to do with excise taxes. Private foundations must pay excise taxes on a portion of interest income earned from investments. It’s also much harder to qualify as a publicly supported 501(c)(3). Can’t just set it up as an inside deal with family and a once-a-year meeting in Dad’s study at Christmas over single malts.
The reason Dumbfuck and all the other QAnon lunatics fulminating away on their blind side of the Orange Event Horizon have spent years swimming through the financial entrails of the Clinton Foundation is largely because it is a publicly supported 501(c)(3), and not a private foundation. And so they can.
No lawsuit needed. Just click a link and read the reports. Then sift through every single expenditure looking for some mind boggling connection between an expense for Post-Its and Chelsea’s wedding reception. Then hand it all off to Cernovich or Drudge. Then wait for it to bubble up through Brietbart to Fox via pimply Moldovan script kids paid in GRU beet-shares. Then before the fact checkers can falsify the claims, do it all over again. Don’t stop until Putin has his guy in the White House.
“…because the center has moved so far to the right.”
Is that where Putin lives?
Did not know that.
Thought he had a little beach place on the Black Sea. Mkay. Don’t forget to send us a post card.
Ya know, if HA had a Sore Loser Law, we’d never hear from ‘froggy.
West Virginia officials deny Blankenship a spot on Senate ballot
West Virginia’s secretary of state on Thursday denied Don Blankenship’s bid to appear on the Senate ballot as a third-party candidate, a victory for Republicans hoping to consolidate votes against Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin in the general election.
Secretary of State, Mac Warner, said Blankenship’s bid would violate the state’s “sore loser law”…
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/26/don-blankenship-no-senate-ballot-743490
Or from YLB, for that matter. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We’d still hear plenty from Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit, who believes that HA was created specifically for him and that he need follow no rules or guidelines.
@8 and @10.
No such thing as free speech, otherwise we should be able to slander and libel each other. Right?
@84 It would be just like Trump to pay off his mistresses with money from donors who thought they were supporting a charity. In Trumpspeak, “my favorite charity is me.”
@85 Nice try, but the Clintons’ self-dealing, dishonesty, and duplicity isn’t even close to Trump’s. It’s not even in the same solar system. So you know what you can do with your bogus equivalency.
2 & 3,
No, I was in the work force for 45+ years, and I planned and invested for retirement, so I’m doing pretty well. As far as those with foot ulcers go, they are the people to whom wealth is re-distributed to as a reward for voting for Democrats. My wealth, along with many other decent people, is re-distributed to the Sction 8 crowd and others on welfare and government support so they can sit at home and ponder their foot issues.
If Carl has a job, then good for him! I’ve already had all of the jobs that I’ll ever have, and I’m doing OK (due to my efforts over the last almost-half-century), thank you very much!
“serious boob” too funny…
Damn, I’m going to miss roypublican talk of “cocaine mitch and his china people”.. That shit is funny.
As boob bleated on the evening the roypublican pedophile moore was defeated:
“congratulations”…
Yet boob fantasizes DF and your truly “going away” in compliance with some “law”.. Wow, the rule of law – that’s a new one for roypublicans. Not gonna happen serious boob..
We’re here till the server goes cold.
“serious boob” .. too funny.
@87 Here’s a poll for you: Between Republicans and Democrats, Putin and Russian spies overwhelmingly prefer Republicans.
And I’m sure your mares prefer stallions, but unfortunately for them, they have no say about it.
@89 Think of it as the Eastern White House.
@90 https://imgur.com/gallery/NysUKoR
@91 “we should be able to slander and libel each other”
This is a respectable blog. We’d never do anything like that around here. The trolls might, though. They’re not as civilized as we are.
@93 Hate to break this to you, but if you’re an investor, you’ve been sucking on the government teat for a very long time. The last time capital gains and dividends were taxed at the same rate as wages was, as I recall, in the 1980s.
Hey, I’m not dissing ya, man. Being a capitalist is the way to go. Only a fool would work for money if he didn’t have to. Working is the worst way of getting money there is, not least because wages are by far the most heavily taxed income there is. Capitalists like you and me are freeloaders by comparison. Sure beats doing honest work.
A whistleblower from inside the Columbus Ohio police department has released internal and external emails between detectives and other law enforcement and administrative officials demonstrating that a conspiracy was formed among them weeks in advance of the strip club arrest of Stormy Daniels in that city on July 12 of this year.
The charges were dismissed within 12 hours of her arrest.
The mayor of Columbus is said to have copies of the emails in his possession and is following up with command staff. Columbus City Attorney has declined to comment on the emails but has issued a directive to the Columbus PD to stop making arrests under the law relied upon in Daniels’ case until further notice.
Sources also confirm that Daniels’ attorney Michael Avenatti has just signed papers to take delivery of a Bugatti Chiron by spring of next year.
“No, I was in the work force for 45+ years…”
-following a Big Chicken Dinner courtesy of the U.S. Navy, went on disability
” and I planned and invested for retirement…”
-stole a couple of carts from Albertsons and got myself a can route
“so I’m doing pretty well…”
-found a dry underpass near a parks bathroom.
#
winningwhining96,
“Think of it as the Eastern White House.”
Putin is the wealthiest human being on earth. PornSweat is a sniveling perverted reality television clown who can’t read. PornSweat will never set foot in any of Putin’s palaces.
#93 Get back to work you taker. You got a tax cut for the richest to pay for.
@102 “PornSweat will never set foot in any of Putin’s palaces.”
Putin lets him in to clean the toilets.
@93 damn you are an old fart. Damn cranky one too.
@93 jobs???! What’s the matter – couldn’t hold down a job? The booze get in the way?
I’ve worked for the same company for 30 years now. Private company. Seen many suckers come and go that worth a shit.
@93 that really doesn’t sound like you had great success in life. Sounds like you barely just got by. Otherwise you would have told us all how great the success has been. But hey at least you had some jobs. Ever collect unemployment wages? How about disability insurance. How about any other “welfare” programs?
I can tell you that I’ve been lucky, yes lucky because that’s partly what it is, that I’ve never collected one penny of unemployment or disability or assistance in any form. And I started working at 16, the minute I could. Before that I worked many years with a paper route.
Tell us more.
@93 must feel really good to know that you worked so hard and saved up for retirement all those years only to now live in misery in a fascists State controlled by the bare chested leader of the greatest Country in the world, Russia!
Enjoy that time on the porch (or fucking the horse , if you are luckier)
@93 if you need to figure out how stupid the post at #1 was, just look at your replies of trying to tell every how unsuccessful that you have been in life as the harbinger.
To be fair, it’s not just the relatives of Democrats like the Kennedys, the Rodhams, the Podestas, and the Bidens who do stupid dishonest shit and get themselves in hot water.
PICTURED: Joe Biden’s glamorous niece wins sweetheart plea deal and avoids jail after she faced felony charges for a $100,000 credit card scam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-scam.html
Why, it was not so long ago when that kid adopted into the Romney family was careless enough to be born black:
Melissa Harris Perry & Panel Mock Mitt Romney’s Black Grandson
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/30/melissa_harris_perry__panel_mock_mitt_romneys_black_grandson.html
Aaaaaand Rubio’s brother is a coke dealer who killed a guy.
Aaaaaand Laura Bush killed a guy.
Aaaaaaand the whole goddamn Palin reality celebutard circus.
Aaaaand Fred Trump.
Aaaaaand Fred Trump Jr.
Aaaaaand Rob Porter beat up every girl he ever dated including Hopey.
Aaaaaand Kelley knew and was okay with it.
Aaaaaaand…. ah fuck it. Pussy grabbing, okay.
Jeezus.
@ 111
Aaaaand which of them are being actively talked about as front-runners for the 2020 Dem nomination?
@ 111
Aaaaand which of them are being actively talked about as front-runners for the 2020 Dem nomination?
@113 stutter much?
Aaaand who has to turn off the TeeVee when they hear the name Maria Butina or Vladimir Putin?
I think you are going to have to open up your own website and have that Biden Daughter story on every day….maybe you should do it hear just for fun, not to waste any part of the day that you already waste in your life.
@110 @112 Looks like I’m not the only useless, idle, unproductive capitalist living on other people’s sweat and toil who has nothing better to do than squat on HA and hiss and spit at the other tribe.
The remains of the US servicemen that Vladimir has being flown from the second greatest Country in the World, to Russia, to this Country – are they really heroes in The Hump’s eyes? I mean they were captured like John McCain, how can they be heroes to the Fucking Hump Fuck?
“Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, asserts that Trump knew in advance about a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 between his son Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer, in contradiction to Trump Jr.’s congressional testimony in May 2017, a knowledgeable source told NBC News on Thursday night. The source told NBC News that Cohen is willing to inform Robert Mueller … about … the timeline surrounding the meeting.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/cohen-claims-trump-knew-2016-russia-meeting-source-says-n895141
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Sure looks like collusion to me. As for Don Jr., how about perjury and obstruction of justice?
112,113
Palsy kicking in? Maybe get your L-dopa dose checked.
All that, and your pulpit lies in ashes at your feet, surrounded by porno mags, spent condoms, chinese made red baseball hats.
#youbuiltthat
P.S. Remember that time we laughed and laughed about Bridget McCain being a bastard child sired with housekeeper?
Good times.
“stutter much?”
“Palsy kicking in?”
Somebody here has been hanging out with the loon too long. What’s next? Head explosions of hate?
Speaking of the loon, where is he? Heh. Must have finally got himself lynched. SAD!
I really do know the difference between hear and here. I really do. Not sure why I make these kinds of mistakes. I think it has something to do with dyslexia.
Up with the Chickens
By NYSSA KRUSE – Hartford Courant
“Minutes before Chick-fil-A’s grand opening at 6:30 a.m. in Glastonbury, a line formed in front of the restaurant’s doors.
Most of the early arrivals had camped out overnight and were the winners of 52 free chicken sandwich meals — a promotional deal..”
I suppose I could go to the website to find the information – but does anyone know what the nutritional value is of this chicken sandwich meal?
Maybe these people should try to spend a 1/2 hour in a gym instead of camping out for free shit. Bunch of free loaders enabled by fucking establishment that fueling America’s health problems.
I wonder if Artie Choke was there.
4.1% growth in GDP, partly because government spending. Geez, I thought the Repukes say that they don’t like government spending and that it don’t great wabs. Yeah wabs, not jobs.
Yeah, but every once in a while I send $25 to Goldy
Shorter senile idiot wabbit FART… – I pay Goldy so being an ASShole 24×7 is A-OK.
Till Next Time!
So the bottom line is pay some money and attack the senile idiot wabbit FART ASShole with impunity!
Thanks senile idiot wabbit FART for the suggestion!
Till Next Time!
To the monomaniacal moronic moonbattic memoryless malodorous ABSOLUTELY clueless crazed cretin yellowishleakingbuttspigot absolutely creepy neurotic low IQ arschloch with the moist leaking pink lace panty gusset,
The Republican FISA judges were NEVER told who authored or who paid for the dossier! There ARE three versions of the dossier! Even Congressional DUMMOCRETINS admit to that!
DAYUM you be weally weally stoooooooooooooooopid!
Till Next Time!
@12 “does anyone know what the nutritional value is of this chicken sandwich meal?”
Like everything else Republican, it’s probably inflated with hot air.
More women, more payoffs, no surprise.
@123 I’ll bet Goldy prefers a generous asshole to a babbling freeloader. Why don’t you ask him? Or better yet, chip in and carry your freight.
@124 When were you ever kicked off here for attacking me or being a cheapskate? I’ve heard it costs $10 a month to host this outhouse. I just bought you another 2.5 months of free shitting, pissing, and moaning and this is the gratitude I get from you?
@125 If you’d believe Michael Steele before Donald Trump, you’re a Democrat. If you’d believe Donald Trump before Michael Steele, you’re an idiot.
I see in this morning’s news that Putin isn’t coming to the White House after all. Instead, Trump will go to Moscow to grovel to Putin in the Summer Palace. Makes perfect sense; normally a dog goes to its master, not the other way around.
When Trump gets there, they’ll probably discuss election strategy for November. Expect this trip by September at latest, because Trump and his crew will need time to implement the Godfather’s “suggestions” after they return home.
@131 “probably discuss election strategy for November”
only after The Hump sucks the bare cheested horseyman’s cock.
125,
you whining pussies will never stop moving the goal line on this.
Bottom line: your Orange PornDaddy has the power to fire every single FBI boss and every single US Atty tomorrow if he wants to.
There is nothing stopping any President from rooting out and destroying a #DERPSTATE #QAnon conspiracy if it even existed.
Leaving you Roypublican child molester pussies with only two possibilities: PornDaddy is too weak and scared, or your conspiracy never even existed.