Seattle Pride went rather well. The only hitch was it would have been nice if it was 10 degrees cooler. I couldn’t watch the whole parade, even though I was in the shade.
Not a good week, last, for Democrats, and things seem to be worsening going into this week:
• SCOTUS reinstates the Trump travel ban.
• The Golden Shower dossier turns out to have been commissioned by #CrookedHillary-affiliated Democrats.
• Synthetic Seattle and real-world Seattle seem to be two different existences entirely – check out the UW minimum wage report released today.
It’s as if liberals are divorced from reality or something. All of is has left YLB wondering whether, when he finally gets another chance to be on his knees, there will be anything tumescent in front of him.
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@godwinhaspews:
Your 90 year-old Syrian aunt can be admitted. Those “children” with the 5 o’clock shadows at 11 a.m. and who can disassemble and reassemble an AK-47 in 30 seconds, however…
Not so much.
Denying entry to such a
foreign national does not burden any American party by
reason of that party’s relationship with the foreign national.
And the courts below did not conclude that exclusion
in such circumstances would impose any legally relevant
hardship on the foreign national himself.
Per curiam, with a separate opinion by Thomas, who wrote
And litigation of the
factual and legal issues that are likely to arise will presumably
be directed to the two District Courts whose
initial orders in these cases this Court has now— unanimously—found sufficiently questionable to be stayed
as to the vast majority of the people potentially affected.
Emphasis on the word unanimously is mine, because fuck you, Bob Ferguson.
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@godwinhaspews:
UW:
Using a variety of methods to analyze employment in all sectors paying below a specified real hourly rate, we conclude that the second wage increase to $13 reduced hours worked in low-wage jobs by around 9 percent, while hourly wages in such jobs increased by around 3 percent. Consequently, total payroll fell for such jobs, implying that the minimum wage ordinance lowered low-wage employees’ earnings by an average of $125 per month in 2016.
Goldy will attack him because some of his previous work was supported by AEI. Which, I suppose, is relevant.
Although no more so than the other supporters of his work, which include:
His research has been supported by the National Science Foundation, the Institute for Education Sciences, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the Russell Sage Foundation, the Smith Richardson Foundation, the Spencer Foundation, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Professor Vigdor was a William T. Grant Foundation Scholar from 2004 through 2009.
He also has done work for the DOJ. Barack Obama’s DOJ.
He has assisted the U.S. Department of Justice in cases of alleged housing discrimination and testified in a Texas school finance lawsuit in 2012. He has addressed school boards and education officials in numerous states and nations, and advised the North Carolina Governor’s Office on matters of educator compensation.
Clearly a candidate for tar, feathers in Goldy’s world.
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@godwinhaspews:
So if paying a couple of bucks extra per hour to employees ended up reducing their hours 9%, one has to wonder how many of their hours will be reduced by those McDonald’s ordering kiosks about to populate their restaurants, as those things cost, like,
Dude, you need to get a job or a pastime. Maybe take up an exercise program or re-hone your math skills or something.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@7 He had a job, but now lives off the land, like I do.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Monday Morning News Roundup
Supreme Court — Said portions of Drumpf’s travel ban can be enforced pending review; accepted a wedding cake case; declined two gun rights cases.
Cop violence against civilians — Philando Castile’s family will get a $3 million settlement.
Weather report — Seattle should cool off a bit this week. The rest of the planet, not so much. Greenland is still melting.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
It’ll be interesting to see what SCOTUS does with the wedding cake case. If a baker can refuse to sell a cake to a gay couple because of his purported religious beliefs — although it must be noted that such behavior doesn’t conform with Jesus’ teachings or traditional Christian values — then there’s no reason why businesses couldn’t refuse to sell gas and groceries to Muslims. Or Jews. Or Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists. Likewise, Muslim-owned convenience stores could (and should) refuse to sell beer and cigarettes to white male assholes who go around falsely calling themselves “Christians.” I’m not sure the Court wants to, or will, pry the lid off this can of worms.
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Elijah Dominic McDotcomspews:
Врач немой ебать sees nothing significant in the legal precedent limiting his Orange Russian Plutocrat’s Article II powers on the basis of Due Process and Equal Protection terms.
After all, aren’t pretty much all of those people related to each other in one way or another?
I’m struggling to recall which SCOTUS decis limited two-term President Barack Hussein Obama’s Article II powers to order the killing of foreign nationals if they had a citizen relative. Come to think of it, didn’t he order the killing of U.S. citizens themselves? So much Hillbilly Traitor/National Emergency winning!
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@11 I wouldn’t put too much stock in legal advice from Врач немой ебать, especially if you’re being framed by the cops for a serious crime. What I’m saying is hire him to represent you at your own risk. Of course, he can post any damn nonsense about the law he wants to on a political blog, because there’s no legal liability for THAT kind of advice.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Have you noticed that while he freely offers legal advice, I don’t give medical advice?
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Roger Rabbitspews:
I see in the sidebar that Goldy spotted the Grover Norquist story (see my comment in the Bible Study thread) before I did.
In answer to Goldy’s question, I’ll bet that dick made his daughter go outside and hawk lemonade and cookies to passersby on the sidewalk. And probably didn’t get the required food booth permit.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
GOP senators are already revising their no-longer-secret “health care” bill. That one didn’t last long, either. Only two days after going public.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
What do you suppose would happen if Hollywood released a movie that no one went to see, so they kept editing it, and the storyline and scenes changed with every successive showing?
That’s how the Republican Congress is doing business.
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@godwinhaspews:
@ 12
Of course, he can post any damn nonsense about the law he wants to on a political blog, because there’s no legal liability for THAT kind of advice.
No one knows this better than you do, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit:
What Citizens Don’t Understand About Police Use Of Force
GOP senators are already revising their no-longer-secret “health care” bill.
Obamacare will die in no small part because Dem House representatives had not the stones to do some revision of the Senate’s version of that bill when they had the chance.
Actually, a fair amount of revision did occur elsewhere. Bart Stupak revised his whole moral existence in order to pass it. Then declined to stand for re-election, the spineless pussy.
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Politically Incorrectspews:
Why not just nationalize the entire health care system and get rid of the health insurance companies? Then all the docs, nurses, researchers and other health care folks can all just be employed by government with their salaries and benefit packages set to make sure health care is affordable for the government to pursue the administration thereof.
Single payer won’t make doctors, nurses, etc., government employees. It simply means Medicare (whose administrative expenses are about 1%) would replace private health insurance companies (whose administrative expenses are about 30%).
But maybe we should have an opt-out provision for dumb clucks who want to continue paying 30% of their health care dollars to insurers for paper shuffling.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@18 Whatsamatter, Obamacare not a deep enough trough for greedy doctors like you?
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the CBO issues its assessment of the latest iteration of the GOP’s platform plank of lining the pockets of the rich by taking health care away from the poor and working classes:
“Twenty-two million fewer people would have health coverage over the next 10 years under legislation that Senate Republicans aim to bring to the floor for a vote this week, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
“The measure would dramatically scale back federal funding for Medicaid and financial assistance low- and middle-income people receive to make private health insurance affordable. The hundreds of billions of dollars saved would mostly be transferred to wealthy people and health care companies in the form of tax cuts.”
Roger Rabbit Commentary: That’s only one million fewer than the House version. The House and Senate Republicans should be able to get together on that. If they don’t spark a citizen revolt first.
21 – Government takeover is exactly what single payer means.
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Politically Incorrectspews:
The big problem with health care is there needs to be 10 or 20 times as many doctors so as to get a little competition in the game. When was the last time anyone heard of doctors competing for customers?
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Politically Incorrectspews:
21 – Actually, what I want is what I’ve had for the past 41 years.
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Eddie Haskellspews:
NYC parade was amazing. I got to my cueing spot at 1 and the parade already started and at 8 pm it was still going. It probably went on for another 1/2 hour but I left. It was interrupted for about an hour by a group of protesters protesting police brutality right in front of the police unit that was marching. Spectators cheered the police who cleared the protesters and booed the protestors and the police unit marching after they cleared got the biggest cheer and applause from the sideline of spectators.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@25 Of the payment processing system, yes. Of health care services, no. Under single payer, your doctor will not be a government employee, and will not be supervised by a government employee. He will be paid by a government agency instead of a private insurance company. If that results in paying 29% less for the same health care, I’m all for it.
@27 You don’t have to agree; you have a constitutional right to be stupid — with your own money, that is. That’s why I would support an opt-out provision to accommodate people like you. Just don’t ask me to pay for your stupidity.
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Mark Adamsspews:
@3 Well now that we are finally at a point where the writing is on the wall just what do you all think about Bob Ferguson opening this can of worms and using state resources to do it. Think he may face a real challenger next election? Maybe even from within the Democratic party. Though he can probably depend on the voters having forgotten this episode. Though he seems to be at the front of the line to challenge President Trump even though his job is here in Washington state. Sure that mess at the Tri Cities with leaking casks, exploding tunnels he should be bringing up in litigation with Uncle Sam. It has to be cleaned up, though no administration has just done that. It’s always put off, as is other issues on Federal land that has been contaminated. It is not a sexy problem, and requires a level of commitment, money, and elbow that just is not there.
Still for our Attorney General to go after all things Trump is bad public policy and is clearly in part or large part party politics. If this is simply the Democratic party and folks in positions of power to take it to the President in disregard to their public trust, and the job they are supposed to do for the citizens of Washington State then the action was wrong from the start, is still wrong, and at the end of the day while the US Supreme Court is going to make a ruling that negates this exercise in total or large part. Yes the roll out was sloppy, poorly written, and the administration tried too much too soon, but it well within the powers of the President no matter the occupant of the office. Bob Ferguson would not have filed a damn thing if Hilliary Clinton had done such an order, as President Obama had. And everyone knows that, and that is why Bob Ferguson’s action on this was wrong, and he can’t change his inaction when the Obama administration did similar actions.
If you are a Progressive you must realize that you support the Government being able to do things, and such orders as this and President Wilson’s orders and laws passed by Congress during the war and signed by Wilson, with J Edgar Hoover fulfilling those policies and being in charge of the Palmer raids.
Bob was wrong and he spent resources from Washington state, guess he had do something with all that school fine money.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
CNN has sacked three employees for a story that has not been proven wrong but was retracted because CNN’s editorial procedures weren’t followed.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Trump’s flacks get things wrong every day, but are still on the job, on the taxpayers’ dime. That’s the difference between Trump and CNN — CNN has standards, Trump doesn’t.
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
GOP senators are already revising their no-longer-secret “health care” bill. That one didn’t last long, either. Only two days after going public.
Which is a good thing senile dumb wabbit! When ObummerCare met the light of day DUMMOCRETINS Max Baucus and Nancy Pelosi both said they didn’t need any input.
And……. we see what that wrought the American populace idiot senile wabbit!
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Mark Adamsspews:
@3 Along with the 40 hour week, Labor day, the 1/2 lunch break, and support of minimum wage SEIU should just point out Unions have supported minimum wages for all workers, and that floor helps the Union get better wages for their members. Forces employers to pay what they should, and guarantee hours. The fact some fast food employers would cut hours in a geographic area where they should have been paying substantially over minimum wage for decades is why employees should have unions. More union members might mean State Houses would increase minimum wage, and Congress would do something about brining minimum wage back to where it should be rather than the embarrassment it is, that even Republican members recognize as the embarrassment it is. Ok not the Rand Paul folks in Congress and other places. Still you can get them to admit employers have to pay decent wages, and employees should demand that of their employers.
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
Trump’s flacks get things wrong every day, but are still on the job, on the taxpayers’ dime. That’s the difference between Trump and CNN — CNN has standards, Trump doesn’t.
More BULLSHITTIUM from the senile idiot wabbit! CNN has been pushing FAKE NEWS so long that some heads had to roll. Remember Gloria Borger claiming James Comey would refute Trump over the three times Trump claimed Comey said Trump WAS NOT under investigation? Borger should have been canned. Butt we all know CNN only has standards when it wants to claim standards!
You suck senile idiot wabbit!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
Plane passenger being a horse’s ass.
Is a prime candidate for HA DUMMOCRETINS!
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Mark Adamsspews:
@7 Well obviously he does have a pastime, and something he is passionate about. Obviously you read part of what he said and disagree, but didn’t want to take the time to form an argument and decided to attack the speaker rather than his ideas or facts.
“Those responsible for the disastrous foreign national security policy of the Obama administration for the last years—Ben Rhodes, Colin Kahl—they provide the marching orders to a broader group of people that are associated with the broader [Democratic Party] Podesta-Clinton network, and now they’re trying to rewrite history at the cost of American national security,” the official said.”
American security be damned – they are DUMMOCRETINS, the elite country club loving SCUM loved by Lying Liars Shouldn’t Lie AKA Erectile Dysfunction McDotCom!
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Mark Adamsspews:
@9 So Leif Erickson promises to Vikings wanting farms is coming true, too bad their dead, but he ones who did go to Greenland would have liked a warming climate rather than moving there in time for the little ice age, They had rude things to say about Leif.
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Mark Adamsspews:
@10 So you think there is a high likely hood the court will punt?
On the Muslim one selling cigarettes and beer, well they should not be selling alcohol except to go into vehicles or lighters. There could be some employer violating employees belief and the court did rule on that and I think the employees lost, though some justice said that ruling would inundate the courts with these kind of cases, surprise it’s happening.
They could punt, but the court brought this on themselves with that little Hobby Lobby case, so do they go the full monty, or admit they screwed up.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@30 “Well now that we are finally at a point where the writing is on the wall”
The “writing on the wall” suggests that only the part of Trump’s order relating to people who have no connection to the U.S. will be upheld.
“just what do you all think about Bob Ferguson opening this can of worms and using state resources to do it.”
Given the potential impact of Trump’s executive order on Washington’s economy, it would have been malfeasance for him to not use state resources to protect the Washington businesses who would’ve been impacted.
“Think he may face a real challenger next election?”
No.
“Sure that mess at the Tri Cities with leaking casks, exploding tunnels he should be bringing up in litigation with Uncle Sam.”
What makes you think he isn’t?
“It has to be cleaned up, though no administration has just done that. It’s always put off, as is other issues on Federal land that has been contaminated.”
Last time I looked, the federal government is spending billions on the Hanford cleanup.
“Still for our Attorney General to go after all things Trump”
What other “things Trump” has he “gone after”?
“is bad public policy”
Depends on what your definition of “bad public policy” is. Probably different from ours.
“and is clearly in part or large part party politics.”
And you think a Republican in that office wouldn’t be playing party politics?
“If this is simply the Democratic party and folks in positions of power to take it to the President in disregard to their public trust,”
This isn’t about “taking it to the President …
“and the job they are supposed to do for the citizens of Washington State”
… it’s about protecting Washington citizens and businesses from an arbitrary order that arguably violates their constitutional rights.
“then the action was wrong from the start, is still wrong”
No, it’s you who was wrong from the start, and is still wrong.
“and at the end of the day while the US Supreme Court is going to make a ruling that negates this exercise in total or large part.”
It’s very unlikely the US Supreme Court is going to uphold the totality of Trump’s executive order, which makes it very likely you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“Yes the roll out was sloppy, poorly written,”
and unconstitutional.
“and the administration tried too much too soon”
The timing doesn’t matter. There’s never a good time to violate people’s constitutional rights.
“but it well within the powers of the President”
And if the Supreme Court says even one part of it isn’t, you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“Bob Ferguson would not have filed a damn thing if Hilliary Clinton had done such an order”
Hillary wouldn’t have done such an order.
“as President Obama had.”
Cite, please? Be specific.
“And everyone knows that,”
except the many of us who don’t.
“and that is why Bob Ferguson’s action on this was wrong,”
And if it turns out he was right, on even one part of this, you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“when the Obama administration did similar actions.”
Cite, please. Be specific.
“If you are a Progressive you must realize that you support the Government being able to do things,”
We support the government being able to do lawful and constitutional things, but that doesn’t imply support for the kind of racist, bigoted, discriminatory bullshit that Trump tried to pull off in this executive order.
“and such orders as this”
To make it clear, in case it is somehow unclear, we progressives don’t support “such orders as this.”
“and President Wilson’s orders and laws passed by Congress during the war and signed by Wilson,”
I’m pretty sure none of the progressive posters here voted for President Wilson.
“with J Edgar Hoover fulfilling those policies and being in charge of the Palmer raids.”
Just to be clear, in case it is somehow unclear, we’re not J. Edgar Hoover fans.
“Bob was wrong”
If it turns out he was even partly right, that is, unless SCOTUS upholds ALL of Trump’s executive order, including the parts it’s not allowing him to enforce, you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“and he spent resources from Washington state”
Spending state resources to protect the rights of Washington citizens and the interests of Washington businesses is his job and is what we elected him to do.
“guess he had do something with all that school fine money.”
Those fines have been paid, and Ferguson’s office got the money? Really?
Still as stupid as always.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
This blog needs better trolls. The ones we have are either morally deficient, fucking insane, or dumber than a fencepost.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@40 “So you think there is a high likely hood the court will punt?”
No. I think they will use the case as a vehicle to further flesh out free exercise jurisprudence.
“On the Muslim one selling cigarettes and beer, well they should not be selling alcohol except to go into vehicles or lighters.”
You’re have to report it to their religious police. It’s not against our secular laws.
“There could be some employer violating employees belief and the court did rule on that and I think the employees lost, though some justice said that ruling would inundate the courts with these kind of cases, surprise it’s happening.”
You are so out of touch with what’s actually happening that I don’t know where to begin.
“They could punt”
by not taking the case. But they did take the case, so it’s likely they’re going to do something meaningful with it.
“but the court brought this on themselves with that little Hobby Lobby case, so do they go the full monty, or admit they screwed up.”
Do you even know what Hobby Lobby was about, much less what the Court actually decided? Doesn’t sound like it.
Still stupid, like always.
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Mark Adamsspews:
@14 The right thing to do would be to allow he daughter to bargain with owner, pick a different guitar, or leave and come back when she has the tax. All kids whether it’s a candy bar or guitar have to deal with the sales tax.
And RR without knowing the jurisdiction you could be making a false claim. It could been at an unincorporated location, or enough of a loop hole that children could do a lemon aide stand, or that the local constabulary would step in unreasonably.
So her first song will about her box top guitar and taxes cannot wait to hear it.
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Mark Adamsspews:
@15 The GOP Whip has gotta be pulling however little hair he has left. Well played on their though, and now entertaining, though something could get passed, and the Republicans can mark it off their bucket list. And we can get single payer rather than the crappy Republican plan (Romney light) that was passed by a Democratic Congress and President.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Hobby Lobby involved a government mandate to a closely-held business whose owners claimed violated their religious beliefs. The Court’s decision rested on a weighing of private versus governmental interests. Specifically, the Court ruled that the regulation in question was not the least restrictive way for the government to achieve its objectives.
The fact Hobby Lobby is closely held apparently is key. The Court seems to have equated the business with its owners. This would not be true of a publicly held corporation, and the Hobby Lobby decision by its terms doesn’t apply to publicly held corporations, where ownership is dispersed and impersonal. It would seem that for a government regulation to impinge upon the personal religious liberty of an individual, the identity of the business and the individual must be essentially the same.
This would bring the proprietor of an individually-owned bakery under the Hobby Lobby rule, so we may see the Court clarify how far, and to what, the Hobby Lobby rule extends.
Hobby Lobby involved the government ordering a private business to make contraception coverage available to its employees. The new case involves a court imposing liability on a private business for violating anti-discrimination laws. Those are two different issues. The Court may (or may not) draw on its Hobby Lobby precedent to get to, and explain, its decision in this new case, but we may see the Court put a fence around Hobby Lobby and say that limiting government business regulations that collide with personal religious beliefs is not an invitation for businesses to engage in discriminatory behavior against the public.
SCOTUS justices aren’t stupid like HA trolls are. I don’t believe they will allow businesses to engage in religious discrimination against their customers. This would unduly burden commerce and lead to social disunity, which are governmental interests, which is why government has constitutional power to prohibit private businesses from engaging in discriminatory practices. If businesses could do that, the first two words that come to mind are “Jews” and “Nazis.” You’ll have a hard time convincing me that any of the justices, including the conservative ones, intend to take us down that path.
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Mark Adamsspews:
@17 The solution to much of the problem is political. The problem in part is that police are regularly armed with firearms, and should only be armed with non-lethal or at most a billy club. And the fact most American police training is not adequate, because we like cheap.
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Mark Adamsspews:
@19 The Corporate Democrats are not there yet. California attempt for this was killed by Democrats.
@31 Ummm you should do a correction. The employees resigned. Maybe that means they would have been fired. Could be they disagreed with CNN and quit, maybe there will be a lawsuit or not. I’m sure everyone in the White House are free to resign as well. It takes a white house employee with a lot of guts to quit when they disagree with the administration. Most people don’t, even when they should.
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Mark Adamsspews:
Single Payer may not mean the take over of health care, but it can mean just that. To be effective though it does mean the government retains the ability to negotiate prices should it not socialize medical services.
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Elijah Dominic McDotcomspews:
19,
Because Hillbilly Traitors.
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Mark Adamsspews:
RR show me in the Washington Constitution that support your claims. It’s not his fucking job as shown by the Attorney General of Washington in 1941, and 1942 who assisted the Federal government in rounding up and putting US citizens in concentration camps. It’s not the Attorney General of Washington job to take on the Feds on immigration issues, war, or any other area where the Federal government is given power in the US Constitution and that is what the Supreme Court is saying here, and will have no choice but to find. It will at some point out that Washington state has two Senators and many representatives whose job is to deal with these politics if they have given the Executive branch by law to make these decisions it’s not Bob Ferguson’s fucking job as Washington State Attorney General to do squat, it’s them folks we send to Congress not the courts in this instance. So you writing your Representatives and your Senators to right this? Or you know like I do and can count it’s not possible to change the current statutes. The Democrats don’t have the votes, which in the end makes AT Fergusons moves here pure party politics and wrong politics. Washington state voters should show him the door. Or at least rattle the mans cage. Or is he also in the Washington State Democratic bubble. That is much more fragile than the party in power wants to admit. Which could be what Sunday’s bible passage could be about. Pride before the fall.
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Elijah Dominic McDotcomspews:
41,
You buried the lede.
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Mark Adamsspews:
Has Bob Ferguson put out a statement yet today?
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Elijah Dominic McDotcomspews:
43,
You did it again.
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Mark Adamsspews:
@43 If it was not for the Hobby Lobby case and the lead up to it the courts would have ruled in the administrations favor. The court would just have looked at the part of the statute that says group of people.
Also the court the court could punt by determining the states had no standing. That the person trying to get I had no standing. Also the part where the court says this all maybe moot as the June 24th date is past. Meaning the first order is done and moot. The second soon could be, and the administration can complete it’s review and implement the changes in the six countries and lift the ban. At least until a new ban is implemented.
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Elijah Dominic McDotcomspews:
52,
Short bus.
Most def.
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United States of Americaspews:
@31
“CNN has standards, Trump doesn’t.”
What CNN should have said to Trump, “Here at CNN we have upped our standards, now up yours.”
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Mark Adamsspews:
@43 What is free exercise jurisprudence. Never heard that phrase. Is this referring to whether judges should apply the constitution as written or that the constitution is a living document.
Perhaps not as the statement suggests courts are free to do as they will. Ate you suggesting the trial and appellate courts are not interpreting the constitution as it is, and are interpreting it as they wish it were. That precedent is a meaningless concept, and courts can be unpredictable?
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Elijah Dominic McDotcomspews:
FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE, Short Bus.
As in the history of jurisprudence surrounding same.
Wow. Just fucking wow.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
The preliminary SCOTUS order bars enforcement of Trump’s executive order “against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States.”
If that turns out to be the Court’s final ruling, it will be a 100% win for Ferguson, and will fully protect the business and academic interests Ferguson sought to defend when he sued on behalf of the University of Washington and businesses like Microsoft and Amazon.
Ferguson doesn’t care about travelers who don’t fall within that exception and didn’t file the suit so they could come to (or remain in) the United States.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@44 Trust me, Grover Norquist does not live in an “unincorporated location.”
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@45 Characterizing the GOP agenda as a “bucket list” is the first intelligent thing you’ve said today, although I’m sure that aptness is strictly unintentional. Unless you totally disbelieve the polls, they’re committing political suicide.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@49 No, I won’t do a correction. Unless you can show they had an option to remain employed by CNN, they were fired.
That, by the why, is also how unemployment compensation law works. If you resign in lieu of being fired, you were involuntarily terminated for unemployment benefits eligibility purposes, and the statutory disqualification from benefits for voluntarily quitting the job cannot apply to you.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@50 Single payer could lead to government takeover of health care, but the one does not ipso facto follow the other, and in fact, in the context of the U.S. health care system is unlikely.
The U.S. already has a de facto single payer system with respect to approximately half of U.S. health care spending, which is roughly the total amount of health billings paid for by a government program.
Yet, outside the military and VA system, very few health care providers are government employees. Even with half of the money we spend on health care paid for with government checks, there has been no government takeover of the health care delivery system.
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
senile idiot wabbit @42,
Mark Adams is a DUMMOCRETIN! You continually forget that hence the “senile” moniker is very true!
Make America Great Again!
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
@49 No, I won’t do a correction.
Yet, the senile idiot wabbit will scream bloody murder when anyone else willfully does the same thing!
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@52 Article III, “SECTION 21 ATTORNEY GENERAL, DUTIES AND SALARY. The attorney general shall be the legal adviser of the state officers, and shall perform such other duties as may be prescribed by law. He shall receive an annual salary of two thousand dollars, which may be increased by the legislature, but shall never exceed thirty-five hundred dollars per annum.”
That is what the state constitution says about the powers and duties of the attorney general. In other words, you have to go to the statutes to find out what “other duties” are prescribed by state law.
Although provisions relating to the attorney general are scattered throughout the Revised Code of Washington, the main provisions are found in Chapter 43.10 RCW. RCW 43.10.030 provides:
“General powers and duties.
“The attorney general shall:
“(1) Appear for and represent the state before the supreme court or the court of appeals in all cases in which the state is interested;
(2) Institute and prosecute all actions and proceedings for, or for the use of the state, which may be necessary in the execution of the duties of any state officer;
(3) Defend all actions and proceedings against any state officer or employee acting in his or her official capacity, in any of the courts of this state or the United States;
(4) Consult with and advise the several prosecuting attorneys in matters relating to the duties of their office, and when the interests of the state require, he or she shall attend the trial of any person accused of a crime, and assist in the prosecution;
(5) Consult with and advise the governor, members of the legislature, and other state officers, and when requested, give written opinions upon all constitutional or legal questions relating to the duties of such officers;
(6) Prepare proper drafts of contracts and other instruments relating to subjects in which the state is interested;
(7) Give written opinions, when requested by either branch of the legislature, or any committee thereof, upon constitutional or legal questions;
(8) Enforce the proper application of funds appropriated for the public institutions of the state, and prosecute corporations for failure or refusal to make the reports required by law;
(9) Keep in proper books a record of all cases prosecuted or defended by him or her, on behalf of the state or its officers, and of all proceedings had in relation thereto, and deliver the same to his or her successor in office;
(10) Keep books in which he or she shall record all the official opinions given by him or her during his or her term of office, and deliver the same to his or her successor in office;
(11) Pay into the state treasury all moneys received by him or her for the use of the state.”
Whether the state is “interested” in the impacts of Trump’s executive order on our state is a question of whether the state has standing to challenge the order. As I recall this issue was discussed in detail in the state’s briefs and the court decisions.
I also recall that the University of Washington figured prominently in the AG’s arguments. The UW is a state agency, and the AG is authorized and required by law to act as its legal representative in court litigation.
You’re welcome.
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Eddie Haskilspews:
Yeah, but I bet them cocksuckers still believe in Religious Bigotry.
Join both lines for this important Congressional message!
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@67 I won’t do a correction because there’s no error to correct, numbnuts. My comment was accurate. Those guys were fired. As in let go. Given their walking papers. Canned. Sacked (my original term). Being allowed to resign in lieu of a formal discharge doesn’t change the nature of the separation from employment, idiot.
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
senile idiot wabbit @72,
You were told this before. Last Fall 2016 to be exact!
Senility is strong in that one!
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
you don’t know what you’re fucking talking about.
And you do senile idiot cuyahoga county wabbit?
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Eddie Haskilspews:
@7 best post ever. Who cares about wages when the world will be under water!
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@73 Hahaha, I got in between, and ruined your double post! You need to learn to click faster.
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Eddie Haskilspews:
@20 its the new Nazi look….the white supremacists love it….code for I’m a Nazi.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Don’t feel bad about it, Puddy. You’re up against an expert.
I used to be an eBay sniper. I would synchronize my timer with eBay’s auction clock, then open two windows on my computer. One showed the auction clock ticking down, on the other, I kept my cursor poised over the “Submit Bid” button. If you submitted your bid with less than 15 seconds left on the auction clock, a competing bidder wouldn’t have enough time left to respond. But I would cut it a lot closer than that just for sport; I often submitted my bids with only 1 second left on the auction clock.
One time, I cut it so close that eBay initially showed another bidder winning the auction, and didn’t show my bid at all. After I refreshed the page a couple times, eBay gave me the winning bid. I submitted that bid with only 1/100th of a second left on the auction clock.
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Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Onlyspews:
Lower courts got smacked today.
Bob Ferguson got smacked today.
95% of the executive order is just fine!
DUMMOCRETINS are SCUM!
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@79 When you’re Eric Trump, you don’t have to give a damn what Jews think of you. Or Hispanics. Or immigrants. Or anyone else. The only person you have to suck up to is Mr. Moneybags himself. Silver spoon kids like Eric live in constant fear of being cut out of the will, which is exacerbated all the more when your old man is a thin-skinned narcissist who has to constantly be ass-kissed. That would mean starvation, or at least the humiliation of going on welfare and Medicaid, because he doesn’t know how to do anything and couldn’t get a real job.
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Eddie Haskilspews:
@42 or more like all three.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@81 My sources have a slightly different take on the situation. See e.g.,
“During a joint address to Congress, he said that his plan incorporated the ideas of both Republicans and Democrats. We rated that claim Mostly False, because many of the amendments Republicans introduced were technical in nature.”
Gutierrez said that “hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted” during the drafting of the 2010 health care law. His statement has some basis, because Republican amendments were adopted in both the House and the Senate during the legislative process. Most of these amendments were not particularly meaningful, though, so calling it a bipartisan enactment effort remains a stretch.
“The kicker? This man was paid to submit these names to the Registrar’s Office. Spieles was working for Harrisonburg Votes, a political organization affiliated with the Democratic Party, when he committed the crime.
Of course he’s a Democrat! This is why Democrats don’t want voter I.D. laws.”
Yep, elite country club DUMMOCRETINS even dead vote DUMMOCRETIN!
He has been front and center in the Trump/Russia collusion FAKE NEWS for a long time!
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Elijah Dominic McDotcomspews:
1, 81,
Please observe how the LOSER Hillbilly Traitors focus all their attention on the litigants and virtually none on the EO itself or its intended targets.
Refugees? In.
Students? In.
Job seekers? In.
Relatives? In.
Academics? In.
Business people? In.
Patients? In.
Sales reps? In.
Clerics? In.
Virtually none of the people Fuckface Von Plutocrat hoped to target will be affected, or even have been at least since Feb 1. The Court affirmed the authority of the Hillbilly Traitor-In-Chief to exclude from entry almost nobody. His travel ban is gutted. His promises to his mob of religious bigots are as worthless as his fake Real Estate diploma mills.
And these beer drunk Hillbilly dupes yarl about “smackdown”.
So much winning.
101,
Demonstrating a truly bizarre nexus between the conspiracy peddling Hillbilly-Traitors, Bible clutching loons, and Russian organized crime.
Republicans, you built that.
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Stevespews:
Check out the Chrome-challenged loon’s double head explosions of hate!
@godwinha spews:
Not a good week, last, for Democrats, and things seem to be worsening going into this week:
• SCOTUS reinstates the Trump travel ban.
• The Golden Shower dossier turns out to have been commissioned by #CrookedHillary-affiliated Democrats.
• Synthetic Seattle and real-world Seattle seem to be two different existences entirely – check out the UW minimum wage report released today.
It’s as if liberals are divorced from reality or something. All of is has left YLB wondering whether, when he finally gets another chance to be on his knees, there will be anything tumescent in front of him.
@godwinha spews:
Your 90 year-old Syrian aunt can be admitted. Those “children” with the 5 o’clock shadows at 11 a.m. and who can disassemble and reassemble an AK-47 in 30 seconds, however…
Not so much.
Denying entry to such a
foreign national does not burden any American party by
reason of that party’s relationship with the foreign national.
And the courts below did not conclude that exclusion
in such circumstances would impose any legally relevant
hardship on the foreign national himself.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-1436_l6hc.pdf
Per curiam, with a separate opinion by Thomas, who wrote
And litigation of the
factual and legal issues that are likely to arise will presumably
be directed to the two District Courts whose
initial orders in these cases this Court has now—
unanimously—found sufficiently questionable to be stayed
as to the vast majority of the people potentially affected.
Emphasis on the word unanimously is mine, because fuck you, Bob Ferguson.
.
@godwinha spews:
UW:
Using a variety of methods to analyze employment in all sectors paying below a specified real hourly rate, we conclude that the second wage increase to $13 reduced hours worked in low-wage jobs by around 9 percent, while hourly wages in such jobs increased by around 3 percent. Consequently, total payroll fell for such jobs, implying that the minimum wage ordinance lowered low-wage employees’ earnings by an average of $125 per month in 2016.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w23532
I have a question for the #Fightfor15 crowd. OK, for SEIU, which is bankrolling it:
If your actions end up reducing the wages of your target employees, where are they going to find the money to pay dues to your organization?
Maybe the money is in a synthetic Seattle bank account. Goldy would know.
@godwinha spews:
His efforts to attack the message a near-nonstarter, Goldy will instead begin to attack the messenger. Again.
This is the messenger:
https://evans.uw.edu/sites/default/files/Vigdor%2C%20Jacob_cv0615_0.pdf
Goldy will attack him because some of his previous work was supported by AEI. Which, I suppose, is relevant.
Although no more so than the other supporters of his work, which include:
His research has been supported by the National Science Foundation, the Institute for Education Sciences, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the Russell Sage Foundation, the Smith Richardson Foundation, the Spencer Foundation, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Professor Vigdor was a William T. Grant Foundation Scholar from 2004 through 2009.
He also has done work for the DOJ. Barack Obama’s DOJ.
He has assisted the U.S. Department of Justice in cases of alleged housing discrimination and testified in a Texas school finance lawsuit in 2012. He has addressed school boards and education officials in numerous states and nations, and advised the North Carolina Governor’s Office on matters of educator compensation.
https://evans.uw.edu/profile/vigdor
Clearly a candidate for tar, feathers in Goldy’s world.
@godwinha spews:
So if paying a couple of bucks extra per hour to employees ended up reducing their hours 9%, one has to wonder how many of their hours will be reduced by those McDonald’s ordering kiosks about to populate their restaurants, as those things cost, like,
http://www.pcmag.com/news/3497.....ice-kiosks
$60,000 each.
@godwinha spews:
I wonder if the Fucking Moron is still wondering whether job losses in response to an increase in the minimum wage are a “corporate lie”.
Seattle’s Minimum Wage Hike May Have Gone Too Far
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/seattles-minimum-wage-hike-may-have-gone-too-far/amp/
Look on he bright side spews:
Dude, you need to get a job or a pastime. Maybe take up an exercise program or re-hone your math skills or something.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@7 He had a job, but now lives off the land, like I do.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Monday Morning News Roundup
Supreme Court — Said portions of Drumpf’s travel ban can be enforced pending review; accepted a wedding cake case; declined two gun rights cases.
Cop violence against civilians — Philando Castile’s family will get a $3 million settlement.
Weather report — Seattle should cool off a bit this week. The rest of the planet, not so much. Greenland is still melting.
Roger Rabbit spews:
It’ll be interesting to see what SCOTUS does with the wedding cake case. If a baker can refuse to sell a cake to a gay couple because of his purported religious beliefs — although it must be noted that such behavior doesn’t conform with Jesus’ teachings or traditional Christian values — then there’s no reason why businesses couldn’t refuse to sell gas and groceries to Muslims. Or Jews. Or Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists. Likewise, Muslim-owned convenience stores could (and should) refuse to sell beer and cigarettes to white male assholes who go around falsely calling themselves “Christians.” I’m not sure the Court wants to, or will, pry the lid off this can of worms.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Врач немой ебать sees nothing significant in the legal precedent limiting his Orange Russian Plutocrat’s Article II powers on the basis of Due Process and Equal Protection terms.
After all, aren’t pretty much all of those people related to each other in one way or another?
I’m struggling to recall which SCOTUS decis limited two-term President Barack Hussein Obama’s Article II powers to order the killing of foreign nationals if they had a citizen relative. Come to think of it, didn’t he order the killing of U.S. citizens themselves?
So much Hillbilly Traitor/National Emergency winning!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@11 I wouldn’t put too much stock in legal advice from Врач немой ебать, especially if you’re being framed by the cops for a serious crime. What I’m saying is hire him to represent you at your own risk. Of course, he can post any damn nonsense about the law he wants to on a political blog, because there’s no legal liability for THAT kind of advice.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Have you noticed that while he freely offers legal advice, I don’t give medical advice?
Roger Rabbit spews:
I see in the sidebar that Goldy spotted the Grover Norquist story (see my comment in the Bible Study thread) before I did.
In answer to Goldy’s question, I’ll bet that dick made his daughter go outside and hawk lemonade and cookies to passersby on the sidewalk. And probably didn’t get the required food booth permit.
Roger Rabbit spews:
GOP senators are already revising their no-longer-secret “health care” bill. That one didn’t last long, either. Only two days after going public.
Roger Rabbit spews:
What do you suppose would happen if Hollywood released a movie that no one went to see, so they kept editing it, and the storyline and scenes changed with every successive showing?
That’s how the Republican Congress is doing business.
@godwinha spews:
@ 12
Of course, he can post any damn nonsense about the law he wants to on a political blog, because there’s no legal liability for THAT kind of advice.
No one knows this better than you do, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit:
What Citizens Don’t Understand About Police Use Of Force
http://handbill.us/2014/11/15/.....-of-force/
@godwinha spews:
@ 15
GOP senators are already revising their no-longer-secret “health care” bill.
Obamacare will die in no small part because Dem House representatives had not the stones to do some revision of the Senate’s version of that bill when they had the chance.
Actually, a fair amount of revision did occur elsewhere. Bart Stupak revised his whole moral existence in order to pass it. Then declined to stand for re-election, the spineless pussy.
Politically Incorrect spews:
Why not just nationalize the entire health care system and get rid of the health insurance companies? Then all the docs, nurses, researchers and other health care folks can all just be employed by government with their salaries and benefit packages set to make sure health care is affordable for the government to pursue the administration thereof.
Roger Rabbit spews:
What’s with Eric Trump’s Hitler haircut?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....mg00000009
Roger Rabbit spews:
@19 Still as stupid as ever.
Single payer won’t make doctors, nurses, etc., government employees. It simply means Medicare (whose administrative expenses are about 1%) would replace private health insurance companies (whose administrative expenses are about 30%).
But maybe we should have an opt-out provision for dumb clucks who want to continue paying 30% of their health care dollars to insurers for paper shuffling.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@18 Whatsamatter, Obamacare not a deep enough trough for greedy doctors like you?
Roger Rabbit spews:
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the CBO issues its assessment of the latest iteration of the GOP’s platform plank of lining the pockets of the rich by taking health care away from the poor and working classes:
“Twenty-two million fewer people would have health coverage over the next 10 years under legislation that Senate Republicans aim to bring to the floor for a vote this week, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
“The measure would dramatically scale back federal funding for Medicaid and financial assistance low- and middle-income people receive to make private health insurance affordable. The hundreds of billions of dollars saved would mostly be transferred to wealthy people and health care companies in the form of tax cuts.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....mg00000009
Roger Rabbit Commentary: That’s only one million fewer than the House version. The House and Senate Republicans should be able to get together on that. If they don’t spark a citizen revolt first.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Plane passenger being a horse’s ass.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....mg00000009
Politically Incorrect spews:
21 – Government takeover is exactly what single payer means.
Politically Incorrect spews:
The big problem with health care is there needs to be 10 or 20 times as many doctors so as to get a little competition in the game. When was the last time anyone heard of doctors competing for customers?
Politically Incorrect spews:
21 – Actually, what I want is what I’ve had for the past 41 years.
Eddie Haskell spews:
NYC parade was amazing. I got to my cueing spot at 1 and the parade already started and at 8 pm it was still going. It probably went on for another 1/2 hour but I left. It was interrupted for about an hour by a group of protesters protesting police brutality right in front of the police unit that was marching. Spectators cheered the police who cleared the protesters and booed the protestors and the police unit marching after they cleared got the biggest cheer and applause from the sideline of spectators.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@25 Of the payment processing system, yes. Of health care services, no. Under single payer, your doctor will not be a government employee, and will not be supervised by a government employee. He will be paid by a government agency instead of a private insurance company. If that results in paying 29% less for the same health care, I’m all for it.
@27 You don’t have to agree; you have a constitutional right to be stupid — with your own money, that is. That’s why I would support an opt-out provision to accommodate people like you. Just don’t ask me to pay for your stupidity.
Mark Adams spews:
@3 Well now that we are finally at a point where the writing is on the wall just what do you all think about Bob Ferguson opening this can of worms and using state resources to do it. Think he may face a real challenger next election? Maybe even from within the Democratic party. Though he can probably depend on the voters having forgotten this episode. Though he seems to be at the front of the line to challenge President Trump even though his job is here in Washington state. Sure that mess at the Tri Cities with leaking casks, exploding tunnels he should be bringing up in litigation with Uncle Sam. It has to be cleaned up, though no administration has just done that. It’s always put off, as is other issues on Federal land that has been contaminated. It is not a sexy problem, and requires a level of commitment, money, and elbow that just is not there.
Still for our Attorney General to go after all things Trump is bad public policy and is clearly in part or large part party politics. If this is simply the Democratic party and folks in positions of power to take it to the President in disregard to their public trust, and the job they are supposed to do for the citizens of Washington State then the action was wrong from the start, is still wrong, and at the end of the day while the US Supreme Court is going to make a ruling that negates this exercise in total or large part. Yes the roll out was sloppy, poorly written, and the administration tried too much too soon, but it well within the powers of the President no matter the occupant of the office. Bob Ferguson would not have filed a damn thing if Hilliary Clinton had done such an order, as President Obama had. And everyone knows that, and that is why Bob Ferguson’s action on this was wrong, and he can’t change his inaction when the Obama administration did similar actions.
If you are a Progressive you must realize that you support the Government being able to do things, and such orders as this and President Wilson’s orders and laws passed by Congress during the war and signed by Wilson, with J Edgar Hoover fulfilling those policies and being in charge of the Palmer raids.
Bob was wrong and he spent resources from Washington state, guess he had do something with all that school fine money.
Roger Rabbit spews:
CNN has sacked three employees for a story that has not been proven wrong but was retracted because CNN’s editorial procedures weren’t followed.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/2.....index.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Trump’s flacks get things wrong every day, but are still on the job, on the taxpayers’ dime. That’s the difference between Trump and CNN — CNN has standards, Trump doesn’t.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
GOP senators are already revising their no-longer-secret “health care” bill. That one didn’t last long, either. Only two days after going public.
Which is a good thing senile dumb wabbit! When ObummerCare met the light of day DUMMOCRETINS Max Baucus and Nancy Pelosi both said they didn’t need any input.
And……. we see what that wrought the American populace idiot senile wabbit!
Mark Adams spews:
@3 Along with the 40 hour week, Labor day, the 1/2 lunch break, and support of minimum wage SEIU should just point out Unions have supported minimum wages for all workers, and that floor helps the Union get better wages for their members. Forces employers to pay what they should, and guarantee hours. The fact some fast food employers would cut hours in a geographic area where they should have been paying substantially over minimum wage for decades is why employees should have unions. More union members might mean State Houses would increase minimum wage, and Congress would do something about brining minimum wage back to where it should be rather than the embarrassment it is, that even Republican members recognize as the embarrassment it is. Ok not the Rand Paul folks in Congress and other places. Still you can get them to admit employers have to pay decent wages, and employees should demand that of their employers.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Trump’s flacks get things wrong every day, but are still on the job, on the taxpayers’ dime. That’s the difference between Trump and CNN — CNN has standards, Trump doesn’t.
More BULLSHITTIUM from the senile idiot wabbit! CNN has been pushing FAKE NEWS so long that some heads had to roll. Remember Gloria Borger claiming James Comey would refute Trump over the three times Trump claimed Comey said Trump WAS NOT under investigation? Borger should have been canned. Butt we all know CNN only has standards when it wants to claim standards!
You suck senile idiot wabbit!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Plane passenger being a horse’s ass.
Is a prime candidate for HA DUMMOCRETINS!
Mark Adams spews:
@7 Well obviously he does have a pastime, and something he is passionate about. Obviously you read part of what he said and disagree, but didn’t want to take the time to form an argument and decided to attack the speaker rather than his ideas or facts.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Guess he would know… http://www.washingtonexaminer......le/2627061
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Obummer fools just don’t care… http://freebeacon.com/national.....perations/
“Those responsible for the disastrous foreign national security policy of the Obama administration for the last years—Ben Rhodes, Colin Kahl—they provide the marching orders to a broader group of people that are associated with the broader [Democratic Party] Podesta-Clinton network, and now they’re trying to rewrite history at the cost of American national security,” the official said.”
American security be damned – they are DUMMOCRETINS, the elite country club loving SCUM loved by Lying Liars Shouldn’t Lie AKA Erectile Dysfunction McDotCom!
Mark Adams spews:
@9 So Leif Erickson promises to Vikings wanting farms is coming true, too bad their dead, but he ones who did go to Greenland would have liked a warming climate rather than moving there in time for the little ice age, They had rude things to say about Leif.
Mark Adams spews:
@10 So you think there is a high likely hood the court will punt?
On the Muslim one selling cigarettes and beer, well they should not be selling alcohol except to go into vehicles or lighters. There could be some employer violating employees belief and the court did rule on that and I think the employees lost, though some justice said that ruling would inundate the courts with these kind of cases, surprise it’s happening.
They could punt, but the court brought this on themselves with that little Hobby Lobby case, so do they go the full monty, or admit they screwed up.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@30 “Well now that we are finally at a point where the writing is on the wall”
The “writing on the wall” suggests that only the part of Trump’s order relating to people who have no connection to the U.S. will be upheld.
“just what do you all think about Bob Ferguson opening this can of worms and using state resources to do it.”
Given the potential impact of Trump’s executive order on Washington’s economy, it would have been malfeasance for him to not use state resources to protect the Washington businesses who would’ve been impacted.
“Think he may face a real challenger next election?”
No.
“Sure that mess at the Tri Cities with leaking casks, exploding tunnels he should be bringing up in litigation with Uncle Sam.”
What makes you think he isn’t?
“It has to be cleaned up, though no administration has just done that. It’s always put off, as is other issues on Federal land that has been contaminated.”
Last time I looked, the federal government is spending billions on the Hanford cleanup.
“Still for our Attorney General to go after all things Trump”
What other “things Trump” has he “gone after”?
“is bad public policy”
Depends on what your definition of “bad public policy” is. Probably different from ours.
“and is clearly in part or large part party politics.”
And you think a Republican in that office wouldn’t be playing party politics?
“If this is simply the Democratic party and folks in positions of power to take it to the President in disregard to their public trust,”
This isn’t about “taking it to the President …
“and the job they are supposed to do for the citizens of Washington State”
… it’s about protecting Washington citizens and businesses from an arbitrary order that arguably violates their constitutional rights.
“then the action was wrong from the start, is still wrong”
No, it’s you who was wrong from the start, and is still wrong.
“and at the end of the day while the US Supreme Court is going to make a ruling that negates this exercise in total or large part.”
It’s very unlikely the US Supreme Court is going to uphold the totality of Trump’s executive order, which makes it very likely you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“Yes the roll out was sloppy, poorly written,”
and unconstitutional.
“and the administration tried too much too soon”
The timing doesn’t matter. There’s never a good time to violate people’s constitutional rights.
“but it well within the powers of the President”
And if the Supreme Court says even one part of it isn’t, you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“Bob Ferguson would not have filed a damn thing if Hilliary Clinton had done such an order”
Hillary wouldn’t have done such an order.
“as President Obama had.”
Cite, please? Be specific.
“And everyone knows that,”
except the many of us who don’t.
“and that is why Bob Ferguson’s action on this was wrong,”
And if it turns out he was right, on even one part of this, you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“when the Obama administration did similar actions.”
Cite, please. Be specific.
“If you are a Progressive you must realize that you support the Government being able to do things,”
We support the government being able to do lawful and constitutional things, but that doesn’t imply support for the kind of racist, bigoted, discriminatory bullshit that Trump tried to pull off in this executive order.
“and such orders as this”
To make it clear, in case it is somehow unclear, we progressives don’t support “such orders as this.”
“and President Wilson’s orders and laws passed by Congress during the war and signed by Wilson,”
I’m pretty sure none of the progressive posters here voted for President Wilson.
“with J Edgar Hoover fulfilling those policies and being in charge of the Palmer raids.”
Just to be clear, in case it is somehow unclear, we’re not J. Edgar Hoover fans.
“Bob was wrong”
If it turns out he was even partly right, that is, unless SCOTUS upholds ALL of Trump’s executive order, including the parts it’s not allowing him to enforce, you’re going to come out of this looking like a moron.
“and he spent resources from Washington state”
Spending state resources to protect the rights of Washington citizens and the interests of Washington businesses is his job and is what we elected him to do.
“guess he had do something with all that school fine money.”
Those fines have been paid, and Ferguson’s office got the money? Really?
Still as stupid as always.
Roger Rabbit spews:
This blog needs better trolls. The ones we have are either morally deficient, fucking insane, or dumber than a fencepost.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@40 “So you think there is a high likely hood the court will punt?”
No. I think they will use the case as a vehicle to further flesh out free exercise jurisprudence.
“On the Muslim one selling cigarettes and beer, well they should not be selling alcohol except to go into vehicles or lighters.”
You’re have to report it to their religious police. It’s not against our secular laws.
“There could be some employer violating employees belief and the court did rule on that and I think the employees lost, though some justice said that ruling would inundate the courts with these kind of cases, surprise it’s happening.”
You are so out of touch with what’s actually happening that I don’t know where to begin.
“They could punt”
by not taking the case. But they did take the case, so it’s likely they’re going to do something meaningful with it.
“but the court brought this on themselves with that little Hobby Lobby case, so do they go the full monty, or admit they screwed up.”
Do you even know what Hobby Lobby was about, much less what the Court actually decided? Doesn’t sound like it.
Still stupid, like always.
Mark Adams spews:
@14 The right thing to do would be to allow he daughter to bargain with owner, pick a different guitar, or leave and come back when she has the tax. All kids whether it’s a candy bar or guitar have to deal with the sales tax.
And RR without knowing the jurisdiction you could be making a false claim. It could been at an unincorporated location, or enough of a loop hole that children could do a lemon aide stand, or that the local constabulary would step in unreasonably.
So her first song will about her box top guitar and taxes cannot wait to hear it.
Mark Adams spews:
@15 The GOP Whip has gotta be pulling however little hair he has left. Well played on their though, and now entertaining, though something could get passed, and the Republicans can mark it off their bucket list. And we can get single payer rather than the crappy Republican plan (Romney light) that was passed by a Democratic Congress and President.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Hobby Lobby involved a government mandate to a closely-held business whose owners claimed violated their religious beliefs. The Court’s decision rested on a weighing of private versus governmental interests. Specifically, the Court ruled that the regulation in question was not the least restrictive way for the government to achieve its objectives.
The fact Hobby Lobby is closely held apparently is key. The Court seems to have equated the business with its owners. This would not be true of a publicly held corporation, and the Hobby Lobby decision by its terms doesn’t apply to publicly held corporations, where ownership is dispersed and impersonal. It would seem that for a government regulation to impinge upon the personal religious liberty of an individual, the identity of the business and the individual must be essentially the same.
This would bring the proprietor of an individually-owned bakery under the Hobby Lobby rule, so we may see the Court clarify how far, and to what, the Hobby Lobby rule extends.
Hobby Lobby involved the government ordering a private business to make contraception coverage available to its employees. The new case involves a court imposing liability on a private business for violating anti-discrimination laws. Those are two different issues. The Court may (or may not) draw on its Hobby Lobby precedent to get to, and explain, its decision in this new case, but we may see the Court put a fence around Hobby Lobby and say that limiting government business regulations that collide with personal religious beliefs is not an invitation for businesses to engage in discriminatory behavior against the public.
SCOTUS justices aren’t stupid like HA trolls are. I don’t believe they will allow businesses to engage in religious discrimination against their customers. This would unduly burden commerce and lead to social disunity, which are governmental interests, which is why government has constitutional power to prohibit private businesses from engaging in discriminatory practices. If businesses could do that, the first two words that come to mind are “Jews” and “Nazis.” You’ll have a hard time convincing me that any of the justices, including the conservative ones, intend to take us down that path.
Mark Adams spews:
@17 The solution to much of the problem is political. The problem in part is that police are regularly armed with firearms, and should only be armed with non-lethal or at most a billy club. And the fact most American police training is not adequate, because we like cheap.
Mark Adams spews:
@19 The Corporate Democrats are not there yet. California attempt for this was killed by Democrats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfYfjQEqg58
Mark Adams spews:
@31 Ummm you should do a correction. The employees resigned. Maybe that means they would have been fired. Could be they disagreed with CNN and quit, maybe there will be a lawsuit or not. I’m sure everyone in the White House are free to resign as well. It takes a white house employee with a lot of guts to quit when they disagree with the administration. Most people don’t, even when they should.
Mark Adams spews:
Single Payer may not mean the take over of health care, but it can mean just that. To be effective though it does mean the government retains the ability to negotiate prices should it not socialize medical services.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
19,
Because Hillbilly Traitors.
Mark Adams spews:
RR show me in the Washington Constitution that support your claims. It’s not his fucking job as shown by the Attorney General of Washington in 1941, and 1942 who assisted the Federal government in rounding up and putting US citizens in concentration camps. It’s not the Attorney General of Washington job to take on the Feds on immigration issues, war, or any other area where the Federal government is given power in the US Constitution and that is what the Supreme Court is saying here, and will have no choice but to find. It will at some point out that Washington state has two Senators and many representatives whose job is to deal with these politics if they have given the Executive branch by law to make these decisions it’s not Bob Ferguson’s fucking job as Washington State Attorney General to do squat, it’s them folks we send to Congress not the courts in this instance. So you writing your Representatives and your Senators to right this? Or you know like I do and can count it’s not possible to change the current statutes. The Democrats don’t have the votes, which in the end makes AT Fergusons moves here pure party politics and wrong politics. Washington state voters should show him the door. Or at least rattle the mans cage. Or is he also in the Washington State Democratic bubble. That is much more fragile than the party in power wants to admit. Which could be what Sunday’s bible passage could be about. Pride before the fall.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
41,
You buried the lede.
Mark Adams spews:
Has Bob Ferguson put out a statement yet today?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
43,
You did it again.
Mark Adams spews:
@43 If it was not for the Hobby Lobby case and the lead up to it the courts would have ruled in the administrations favor. The court would just have looked at the part of the statute that says group of people.
Also the court the court could punt by determining the states had no standing. That the person trying to get I had no standing. Also the part where the court says this all maybe moot as the June 24th date is past. Meaning the first order is done and moot. The second soon could be, and the administration can complete it’s review and implement the changes in the six countries and lift the ban. At least until a new ban is implemented.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
52,
Short bus.
Most def.
United States of America spews:
@31
“CNN has standards, Trump doesn’t.”
What CNN should have said to Trump, “Here at CNN we have upped our standards, now up yours.”
Mark Adams spews:
@43 What is free exercise jurisprudence. Never heard that phrase. Is this referring to whether judges should apply the constitution as written or that the constitution is a living document.
Perhaps not as the statement suggests courts are free to do as they will. Ate you suggesting the trial and appellate courts are not interpreting the constitution as it is, and are interpreting it as they wish it were. That precedent is a meaningless concept, and courts can be unpredictable?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE, Short Bus.
As in the history of jurisprudence surrounding same.
Wow. Just fucking wow.
Roger Rabbit spews:
The preliminary SCOTUS order bars enforcement of Trump’s executive order “against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States.”
If that turns out to be the Court’s final ruling, it will be a 100% win for Ferguson, and will fully protect the business and academic interests Ferguson sought to defend when he sued on behalf of the University of Washington and businesses like Microsoft and Amazon.
Ferguson doesn’t care about travelers who don’t fall within that exception and didn’t file the suit so they could come to (or remain in) the United States.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@44 Trust me, Grover Norquist does not live in an “unincorporated location.”
Roger Rabbit spews:
@45 Characterizing the GOP agenda as a “bucket list” is the first intelligent thing you’ve said today, although I’m sure that aptness is strictly unintentional. Unless you totally disbelieve the polls, they’re committing political suicide.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@49 No, I won’t do a correction. Unless you can show they had an option to remain employed by CNN, they were fired.
That, by the why, is also how unemployment compensation law works. If you resign in lieu of being fired, you were involuntarily terminated for unemployment benefits eligibility purposes, and the statutory disqualification from benefits for voluntarily quitting the job cannot apply to you.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@50 Single payer could lead to government takeover of health care, but the one does not ipso facto follow the other, and in fact, in the context of the U.S. health care system is unlikely.
The U.S. already has a de facto single payer system with respect to approximately half of U.S. health care spending, which is roughly the total amount of health billings paid for by a government program.
Yet, outside the military and VA system, very few health care providers are government employees. Even with half of the money we spend on health care paid for with government checks, there has been no government takeover of the health care delivery system.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
senile idiot wabbit @42,
Mark Adams is a DUMMOCRETIN! You continually forget that hence the “senile” moniker is very true!
Make America Great Again!
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
@49 No, I won’t do a correction.
Yet, the senile idiot wabbit will scream bloody murder when anyone else willfully does the same thing!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@52 Article III, “SECTION 21 ATTORNEY GENERAL, DUTIES AND SALARY. The attorney general shall be the legal adviser of the state officers, and shall perform such other duties as may be prescribed by law. He shall receive an annual salary of two thousand dollars, which may be increased by the legislature, but shall never exceed thirty-five hundred dollars per annum.”
That is what the state constitution says about the powers and duties of the attorney general. In other words, you have to go to the statutes to find out what “other duties” are prescribed by state law.
Although provisions relating to the attorney general are scattered throughout the Revised Code of Washington, the main provisions are found in Chapter 43.10 RCW. RCW 43.10.030 provides:
“General powers and duties.
“The attorney general shall:
“(1) Appear for and represent the state before the supreme court or the court of appeals in all cases in which the state is interested;
(2) Institute and prosecute all actions and proceedings for, or for the use of the state, which may be necessary in the execution of the duties of any state officer;
(3) Defend all actions and proceedings against any state officer or employee acting in his or her official capacity, in any of the courts of this state or the United States;
(4) Consult with and advise the several prosecuting attorneys in matters relating to the duties of their office, and when the interests of the state require, he or she shall attend the trial of any person accused of a crime, and assist in the prosecution;
(5) Consult with and advise the governor, members of the legislature, and other state officers, and when requested, give written opinions upon all constitutional or legal questions relating to the duties of such officers;
(6) Prepare proper drafts of contracts and other instruments relating to subjects in which the state is interested;
(7) Give written opinions, when requested by either branch of the legislature, or any committee thereof, upon constitutional or legal questions;
(8) Enforce the proper application of funds appropriated for the public institutions of the state, and prosecute corporations for failure or refusal to make the reports required by law;
(9) Keep in proper books a record of all cases prosecuted or defended by him or her, on behalf of the state or its officers, and of all proceedings had in relation thereto, and deliver the same to his or her successor in office;
(10) Keep books in which he or she shall record all the official opinions given by him or her during his or her term of office, and deliver the same to his or her successor in office;
(11) Pay into the state treasury all moneys received by him or her for the use of the state.”
Whether the state is “interested” in the impacts of Trump’s executive order on our state is a question of whether the state has standing to challenge the order. As I recall this issue was discussed in detail in the state’s briefs and the court decisions.
I also recall that the University of Washington figured prominently in the AG’s arguments. The UW is a state agency, and the AG is authorized and required by law to act as its legal representative in court litigation.
You’re welcome.
Eddie Haskil spews:
Yeah, but I bet them cocksuckers still believe in Religious Bigotry.
http://www.people-press.org/20.....skeptical/
I have no problem with Religious bigots, but I think them rules should apply to race and religion too then. Especially to Apes.
Roger Rabbit spews:
In reply to the rest of your comment @52, you don’t know what you’re fucking talking about.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
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Join both lines for this important CNN message!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@66 “Mark Adams is a DUMMOCRETIN!”
Well, if he is, he’s wearing some damn good camouflage.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
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Join both lines for this important Congressional message!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@67 I won’t do a correction because there’s no error to correct, numbnuts. My comment was accurate. Those guys were fired. As in let go. Given their walking papers. Canned. Sacked (my original term). Being allowed to resign in lieu of a formal discharge doesn’t change the nature of the separation from employment, idiot.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
senile idiot wabbit @72,
You were told this before. Last Fall 2016 to be exact!
Senility is strong in that one!
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
you don’t know what you’re fucking talking about.
And you do senile idiot cuyahoga county wabbit?
Eddie Haskil spews:
@7 best post ever. Who cares about wages when the world will be under water!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@73 Hahaha, I got in between, and ruined your double post! You need to learn to click faster.
Eddie Haskil spews:
@20 its the new Nazi look….the white supremacists love it….code for I’m a Nazi.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Don’t feel bad about it, Puddy. You’re up against an expert.
I used to be an eBay sniper. I would synchronize my timer with eBay’s auction clock, then open two windows on my computer. One showed the auction clock ticking down, on the other, I kept my cursor poised over the “Submit Bid” button. If you submitted your bid with less than 15 seconds left on the auction clock, a competing bidder wouldn’t have enough time left to respond. But I would cut it a lot closer than that just for sport; I often submitted my bids with only 1 second left on the auction clock.
One time, I cut it so close that eBay initially showed another bidder winning the auction, and didn’t show my bid at all. After I refreshed the page a couple times, eBay gave me the winning bid. I submitted that bid with only 1/100th of a second left on the auction clock.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Lower courts got smacked today.
Bob Ferguson got smacked today.
95% of the executive order is just fine!
DUMMOCRETINS are SCUM!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@79 When you’re Eric Trump, you don’t have to give a damn what Jews think of you. Or Hispanics. Or immigrants. Or anyone else. The only person you have to suck up to is Mr. Moneybags himself. Silver spoon kids like Eric live in constant fear of being cut out of the will, which is exacerbated all the more when your old man is a thin-skinned narcissist who has to constantly be ass-kissed. That would mean starvation, or at least the humiliation of going on welfare and Medicaid, because he doesn’t know how to do anything and couldn’t get a real job.
Eddie Haskil spews:
@42 or more like all three.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@81 My sources have a slightly different take on the situation. See e.g.,
http://www.motherjones.com/pol.....eally-won/
Eddie Haskil spews:
@72 sideways talker he is.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Getting Out Of Jury Duty 101:
“I think he’s a very evil man,” said one young woman …
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/26.....l-man.html
K2 spews:
Puddles @ 32- Liar
http://www.snopes.com/aca-versus-ahca/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelli.....epeal.html
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
K2 FOOL @87,
Libtards at politifact… EPIC FAYLE!!!!!
“During a joint address to Congress, he said that his plan incorporated the ideas of both Republicans and Democrats. We rated that claim Mostly False, because many of the amendments Republicans introduced were technical in nature.”
Our ruling – http://www.ajc.com/news/nation.....k20lUpyyL/
Gutierrez said that “hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted” during the drafting of the 2010 health care law. His statement has some basis, because Republican amendments were adopted in both the House and the Senate during the legislative process. Most of these amendments were not particularly meaningful, though, so calling it a bipartisan enactment effort remains a stretch.
Puddy’s comment still stands!
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Remember… Dead people vote DUMMOCRETIN… http://www.thegatewaypundit.co.....-democrat/
“The kicker? This man was paid to submit these names to the Registrar’s Office. Spieles was working for Harrisonburg Votes, a political organization affiliated with the Democratic Party, when he committed the crime.
Of course he’s a Democrat! This is why Democrats don’t want voter I.D. laws.”
Yep, elite country club DUMMOCRETINS even dead vote DUMMOCRETIN!
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Puddy wonders if Robert Mueller will check this out too? http://circa.com/politics/acco.....ssia-probe
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
About that CNN FOOL Eric Lichtblau.
He has been front and center in the Trump/Russia collusion FAKE NEWS for a long time!
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
1, 81,
Please observe how the LOSER Hillbilly Traitors focus all their attention on the litigants and virtually none on the EO itself or its intended targets.
Refugees? In.
Students? In.
Job seekers? In.
Relatives? In.
Academics? In.
Business people? In.
Patients? In.
Sales reps? In.
Clerics? In.
Virtually none of the people Fuckface Von Plutocrat hoped to target will be affected, or even have been at least since Feb 1. The Court affirmed the authority of the Hillbilly Traitor-In-Chief to exclude from entry almost nobody. His travel ban is gutted. His promises to his mob of religious bigots are as worthless as his fake Real Estate diploma mills.
And these beer drunk Hillbilly dupes yarl about “smackdown”.
So much winning.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Wow, the Russian collusion truth comes out! http://insider.foxnews.com/201.....in-clinton
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Now this is DAYUM funny! http://insider.foxnews.com/201.....nton-trump
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
FOOL @92,
Talk to Trump’s hand!
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
FOOL @92,
Talk to Trump’s hand!
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
Awwww poor Ben Rhodes… https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-dagger-in-my-heart-obama-alums-struggle-to-adjust-to-a-trumpian-world/2017/06/16/5be30378-52b4-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.07ab3e0eb4b3
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Dillwad advances from “anger” to “bargaining”.
I’ve got a feeling “depression” is gonna be fun.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
ftfy you pathetic Hillbilly Traitor.
Puddybud is the Very Much the One and Only spews:
CNN Bias? Of Course… http://insider.foxnews.com/201.....0-election
One picture says it all!
Marky spews:
About that CNN FOOL Eric Lichtblau.
He has been front and center in the Trump/Russia collusion FAKE NEWS for a long time!
MAKE WEED AGAIN: http://napasechnik.com
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
101,
Demonstrating a truly bizarre nexus between the conspiracy peddling Hillbilly-Traitors, Bible clutching loons, and Russian organized crime.
Republicans, you built that.
Steve spews:
Check out the Chrome-challenged loon’s double head explosions of hate!