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I’ve been waiting for years for someone to dig up this old TV Nation segment about Newt Gingrich and put it on YouTube:

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  2. 2

    At about 8:50…

    “Take it from somebody else….that’s the way it works”

    Kind of sums it up. Cuts are great, until they affect me. Reminds me of the simpleminded, adolescence-arrested world view of libertarians.

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    Good News And Bad News

    The Good News: The official unemployment rate dropped to 8.6% in November.

    The Bad News: Many of the jobs added in November were low-paying seasonal retail jobs and low-paying jobs in restaurants and bars.

    More Bad News: The number of people who dropped out of the unemployment statistics because they quit looking for work exceeded the number who found jobs (315,000 versus 278,000).

    Factoid: “Analysts say the economy needs to create at least 125,000 jobs every month just to keep the unemployment rate steady. So far this year, job growth has averaged 125,600 jobs a month.”

    Factoid: The economy has regained only 2.5 million of he 8.7 million jobs lost in the Great Recession.

    Bottom Line: The drop in the official unemployment statistic looks better on paper than it is in real life. It may help Obama keep his job, but it doesn’t do much to help the millions of jobless ordinary people get jobs, because hiring is still glacial.

    http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.co.....86-percent

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    That video is so true … Americans everywhere love getting something for nothing … and making the other guy pay.

    What Michael Moore is doing, of course, is exposing the hypocrisy of Republicans who want to cut other people’s federal funding — but not their own.

    But then, where did you ever meet a Republican who wasn’t a hypocrite?

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    Speaking of hypocracy:

    The Wall Street Journal (page A6) has an article about how Newt Gingrich was singing the praises of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as great business models in 2007 – just as the real estate bubble had peaked and the morgtage crisis was about to bring down the entire economy a year later.

    I’d quote from it, but I’ve only got the paper edition, and I don’t have time right now to re-type the pertinate quotes.

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    Let’s be fair and balanced here.

    If you take the time to watch the posted video you will not see a single poor brown person in 9 minutes of video of Cobb County.

    Now, can we get back to talking about the real driver of federal spending and deficits? Millionaires & Billionaires on Food Stamps!!

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    Nevada’s done, toast, over.

    Nationwide, 22.1 percent of mortgaged properties were in negative equity.

    Nevada recorded the highest rate, with 58 percent of all mortgaged properties underwater.     Arizona, Florida, Michigan and Georgia followed. Washington, with 17.3 percent of properties in the negative, ranked 16th in the nation, placing it between New Hampshire and Oregon.

    Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/.....z1fP8bNGh8

    Time to start turning Nevada into the world’s largest recycling project. Tear down the houses, scrape up the asphalt. Replant the desert.

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    Herman Caine’s campaign is probably over, because he’s got to go home and explain to his wife why he was giving all this money to his “friend” Ginger White without his wife’s knowledge.

    In the meantime, the “Women For Herman Cain” website got caught using a stock photo of multi-racial young women supporting Cain, instead of real supporters:

    Women For Herman Cain

    Shutterstock.com photo

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    FCC Complaint Against Seattle Times Telemarketer

    There are two companies I especially loathe. One is Comcast, which has polluted my burrow with over 1,000 pieces of junk mail; and, when that got no response, sent three different door-to-door salesmen, all of whom ignored “No Soliciting” signs, to my hole.

    The other is the Seattle Times. I really can’t tell you which of these companies I despise most, because I despise both of them. Some years ago, I filed a formal complaint with the Washington Attorney General’s consumer protection office because Seattle Times telemarketers were harassing us with 3 to 5 marketing calls a week, and no matter how many times I told them I wasn’t interested in buying a subscription and asked them to stop calling, the calls continued.

    This is what I call “coercive marketing”: A company harasses you until with bill-collector-like tactics until you cave in and buy their product just to get rid of them. It’s extortion, and it ought to be a serious criminal offense.

    That’s not the only thing the Seattle Times does. Our neighbor does have a subscription and their delivery driver races in and out of our driveway at high speed and drives his car over my lawn, killing grass and leaving unsightly tire tracks.

    Well, they’re at it again. This morning Mrs. Rabbit received a telephone call on our unlisted residential line who asked for Mrs. Rabbit’s mom by her first name. Mrs. Rabbit at first thought it might be an old friend of her mom, who passed away about 10 years ago. Only after questioning the guy did she find out he was calling to sell Grandma Rabbit (who suffered from Alzheimer’s, and was frequently exploited by telemarketers, in the years prior to her death) a subscription to the Seattle Times. Needless to say, when Mrs. Rabbit found out the caller was trying to sell something to her dear departed mother, she was very upset. In fact, she suffered so much emotional distress as a result of this abusive telephone call that I’m thinking of contacting a lawyer to sue the Seattle Times.

    This telemarketing call was illegal. Our phone number has been on the National Do Not Call registry since its beginning. Today, Mrs. Rabbit filed a formal complaint with the Federal Communications Commission asking them to impose legal penalties on the Seattle Times for this violation of federal law.

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    Cain Announcement Tomorrow

    A press spokesperson for Herman Cain’s campaign office told NBC News today that Cain will make a “major announcement” tomorrow, but offered no hint of what Cain plans to say. Meanwhile, Cain’s campaign is still soliciting donations and conducting business as usual.

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    Speaking of coercive marketing, Sears is in hot water for selling expensive service contracts to online appliance purchasers by adding them to the purchase order without the customer’s permission.

    http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.....ell-policy

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: It’s not surprising that, as more consumers realize service contracts are a bad deal and refuse to buy them, retailiers are trying to find deceptive or coercive ways to force them on customers. Look for a class-action lawsuit against Sears in the near future as lawyers seek to recoup millions of dollars extracted from customers by this sneaky tactic.

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    RR @ 11: I once got a call from the alumni association from the university where I received my undergraduate degree. The fellow was nice enough, but I wondered how he got my number, after all those years and a move of some 2,500 miles away.

    He explained that he was calling because he was puzzled. His records said that I was deceased. But a mailing that had been recently sent to me showed a forwarding address in Seattle.

    I told him I didn’t know what bothered me more – that he thought I was deceased, or that he thought I was deceased yet he was still trying to mail me letters solicitations for contributions.

    I think I figured out how it happened. When I started college my mother’s residence was listed as my “home” address, and the various dorms and apartments were listed as my “temporary” addresses. When they couldn’t find me at my “temporary” addresses any more, they defaulted to my home address, assuming that it would be forwarded by my mother to me. But since she was deceased, they received it back from the post office marked “deceased”, and assumed that meant I was the one who had died.

    But that still didn’t explain why they continued to send out letters until they finally received a forwarding address notice in Seattle.

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    ACtivist’s Seek Orca’s Parole

    41 years of incarceration is enough, say activists seeking the release of Lolita, an Orca who was captured from Puget Sound in 1970 and has been held at Miami Seaquarium ever since.

    “Activists are now suing the federal government in federal court in Seattle, saying it should have protected Lolita when it listed other Southern Resident orcas as an endangered species in 2005. …

    “The lawsuit … alleges that the fisheries service allows the Miami Seaquarium to keep Lolita in conditions that … wouldn’t be allowed under the Endangered Species Act. The lawsuit alleges Lolita is confined in an inadequate tank without sufficient space and without companions of her own species.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_n.....-captivity

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: A caption under a photo accompanying the article says,

    “In this Aug. 8, 1970, photo provided by Wallie Funk, members of a pod of orca whales are held captive in Penn Cove, off Whidbey Island, Wash. Seven of the dozens of whales captured, including Lolita, who has been performing stunts for Miami Seaquarium for the past four decades, were sold to marine parks around the world. Five whales drowned during the capture.”

    Back in the 1970s, a captured Orca was worth at least $1 million to $2 million on the aquarium market. Performing orcas are a big business that earns big profits from ticket sales. But it’s also a barbarous business that tears orca families apart.

    Capturing orcas in Puget Sound is no longer legal. It’s time to change the laws relating to captive orcas. It’s probably unrealistic to think all orcas in captivity can be returned to the wild; but those that can be, should be. The remaining orca shows should be phased out.

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    “Reminds me of the simpleminded, adolescence-arrested world view of libertarians.”

    Let me guess: you must work for some sort of government entity.

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    @17 Why don’t we just do away with the costly, wasteful, and unproductive GOP primaries and declare Obama re-elected by acclamation? It would save everyone a lot of time, money, and effort. The GOPers obviously don’t (and won’t) have a candidate who can take on the most vulnerable president in living memory. Which shows you how far the GOP has fallen from respectability.

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    Cain’s probably toast at this point, but this article is worth mentioning because it shows how we should look closely whenever a Republican claims to be a “successful businessman”.

    It seems Cain was the leading director of Aquila, an energy firm which got caught pretty much doing the same things as Enron, and entually was aquaired by a competitor for pennies on the dollars. Stockholders, employees, and 401(k) participants all go the shaft, but Cain routinely approved multi-million dollar bonuses to the brothers who ran the four-generation business. Cain appears to have been little more than a rubber-stamp for the misconduct of management and the board.

    Herman Cain’s Aquila Dealings Undercut His Business-Acumen Claims

    You have to be careful of the “elevator summary” which Cain (and many other politicians and businessmen) practice in order to cover up the deficiencies in their careers. Cain has routinely dismissed any questions of his conduct on the board by saying that he helped guide the company after it was close to bankruptcy by “the same forces which brought down Enron”, without pointing out that he was on the board for the ten years prior in which those same Enron tactics were used by Aquila, and remained on the board for some five years later until it was swallowed up by the competitors, approving huge bonuses along the way. In the meantime, Cain received a salary as an independent director of 100,000 per year, and when he “retired” he received a severence pension which isn’t disclosed.

    In passing, the article points out that he claimed in Sept. 2008 that there was no financial crisis (he claims it was entirely false claims by Democrates seeking to libel the Bush administration); he claimed that in March 2009 that the real collapse was caused by President Obama (in office for only two months), and at the same time defended huge executive bonuses in March of 2009 (paid by taxpayer money to floundering banks).

    None of that sounds like someone with sound business acumen to me.

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    “Why don’t we just do away with the costly, wasteful, and unproductive GOP primaries and declare Obama re-elected by acclamation?”

    If the Reps nominate Gingrich, Obama will win, hands down.

    I’ll still be voting for Ron Paul for prez and Dennis Kucinich for vice-prez. Some people think one is wasting his or her vote with a write-in, but a lot of write-ins show that the mainstream candidates don’t have as much support as they may think they have!

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    PoliticallyIncorrect @22:

    I’ll still be voting for Ron Paul for prez and Dennis Kucinich for vice-prez. Some people think one is wasting his or her vote with a write-in, but a lot of write-ins show that the mainstream candidates don’t have as much support as they may think they have!

    Go for it, dude. A double-shot of teh crazy.

    Ron and Dennis deserve each other, except that they’d probably fight over who gets to drive the clown car. Their absence from the hallowed halls will seriously cut into the House’s nutcase quotient when the 113th Congress convenes in January 2013. The House will also be minus Jeff Flake and (if we’re lucky) Steve King, which really diminishes the wackiness.

    Note re: Kucinich… Yeah, I know he isn’t retiring. What I’m saying is that Marcy Kaptur will wallop him in the Democratic primary, sending him into well-deserved oblivion.

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    Looks like the Tea Party’s own Alan West (R-FLA 22nd Dist.) is in trouble.

    West’s own Republican Party has re-drawn the 22nd district, which is about equally split between Republicans and Democrats, so that it will lean Democratic. The beneficiary of that redistricting plan will be incumbent Representative Tom Roony, (R-FL), who will have a more conservative neighboring district and won’t have to fight as hard for re-election.

    In response, West says he may challenge Rooney in the primary for Rooney’s own district, which might in effect abandon the seat West now holds in the Florida 22nd to the Democrats.

    Ironically, West doesn’t live in his own 22nd district. Instead, he lives in a neigboring district represented by Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, a liberal Democrat whom West described as “vile”.

    And you have to wonder why the Republican establishment in Florida is so willing to cut West out of his own seat. West may have to rely upon the Democrats’ objections to the redistricting plan to save his seat!

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    The Senate voted in favor of a bill to extend the payroll-tax reduction on the middle-class 51-49, paying for it with a 3.5$ tax surcharge on Americans earning a million dollars or more in income. But despite having a majority, the bill failed, only one Republican voted to cut off debate and end the filibuster by one Republican Senator.

    A Republican-sponsored bill from the House also failed, which would ahve continued the payroll tax reduction but paid for it by offsetting cuts benefiting the poor and middle-class workers. That bill would have defeated one of the primary purposes of the proposal, which was to get more money into the hands of the middle class so their spending can improve the economic situation.

    So Republicans have clearly displayed their ideology once again. Their primary goals are:

    (1) protect the ultra-rich from having to pay their fair share of taxes, even if it means higher taxes for the poor and middle-class;

    (2) block anything which might improve the economy before the 2012 election.

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    @25

    Ever been to Florida? The place is insane. Don’t bother looking for rational reasoning coming from Florida Republican’s you wont find any and the Democrats aren’t much better.

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    Former Republican Senator, George W. Bush’s ambassador the United Nations and ordained Episcopal priest,John Danforth, comes out as a secret Democrat mole:


    I’ve been watching some of these republican debates and they’re just terrible. Terrible. How many have they had? Something like nine, ten, something like that, it seems like every week there’s a debate and, uh, and it’s embarrassing for me as a republican to watch this stuff.

    OK, maybe he’s not a mole. But are you saying he’s a sane Republican?

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    @28
    I’ll have to add Danforth to my Sane Republican list. I think his addition brings me up to 9.

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    27: I’ve not only been to Florida, I’ve got lots of relatives living in central Florida (most of my father’s side of the family). As for crazy – well, maybe I shouldn’t go there.

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    @30
    My parents spend every other winter in Florida. When they’re in Arizona I like to go visit for a few days. When they’re in Florida I just stay home. I spent 10 days there once, which was about 9 days too long. Cape Canaveral and Cape Canaveral National Seashore are amazing places, but that’s about all Florida has going for it.

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    Great article highlighting injustice in America.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/s.....onald.html

    Countrywide Financial was among the most enthusiastic purveyors of the subprime loans that very nearly brought down the American economy when their worthlessness became fully apparent in 2008.

    Mozilo, who had cultivated “friends of Angelo” on Capitol Hill, is widely regarded here as one of the most culpable figures in the whole debacle. He sits, for example, at the top of Time magazine’s “25 people to blame for the financial crisis.”

    But, in 2010, he reached a settlement with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which had accused him of securities fraud and insider trading.

    He paid $67.5 million in fines, chump change for a guy who made nearly half a billion dollars a year when his company was selling liar loans to people like Charlie Engle. (More recently, the Bank of America, which took over Countrywide’s assets, agreed to spend $8.7 billion to settle predatory lending charges against the now defunct lender.)

    In his settlement, Mozilo admitted no wrongdoing and the justice department subsequently dropped its investigation.

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    @32 Michael,

    Maybe you haven’t heard?
    Mozilo and the folks at Bank of America
    are the JOB CREATORS!!

    If you and your kind keep calling for regulating their business, or if you tax them at the rates which existed during the Clinton administration, they won’t be able to continue to good work they did for all us in the last decade.

    After all, that went well for … well, them.

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    Herman Cain will be meeting his wife tonight for the first time since his affair with Ginger White hit the media, and Cain’s campaign spokesperson said he will make a “big announcement” tomorrow. NBC’s Brian Williams speculated on the Nightly News that Cain is going to drop out of the race, but I think Williams is wrong; I think Gloria Cain is going to announce the funeral arrangements for her husband.

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    @33
    Well to be fair, when the created the largest economic bubble in the history of mankind they did create a lot of jobs along with that. The trouble is that the jobs didn’t stick around after the bubble burst.

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    # 34: And if you get more than two married women on that jury, there’s no way she would ever be convicted.

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    Mitt Romney: smart-growth acolyte.

    Romney’s liberal heresies on health care, gay rights, and abortion are well established. Less well known is that, as governor of Massachusetts, he was a smart-growth acolyte. He hinted at this predilection during the campaign in 2002. “Smart growth, or purposeful planning, is a concept that will be in the governor’s office if I’m elected,” he said. After winning, he created a new “Office for Commonwealth Development” to oversee the transportation, environment, and housing departments—and named as its chief Douglas Foy. It was a brash decision for a business-oriented politician: Foy was the head of the state’s Conservation Law Foundation and an ardent environmentalist who often commuted 20 miles by bike. “He was the bane of the business and development community,” Benjamin Fierro, the lobbyist for the state homebuilders’ association, told me. “My clients were very concerned about that.”
    http://www.tnr.com/article/pol.....sm-liberal

    Every time the right goes after Romney, I can’t help but like him more.

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    Dear president Obama,

    Please fire Mary Schapiro and Eric Holder. I think you know why.

    Sincerely,

    Michael

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    According to the study, … just 7 percent of those who lost jobs after the financial crisis have returned to or exceeded their previous financial position and maintained their lifestyles. The vast majority say they have diminished lifestyles, and about 15 percent say the reduction in their incomes has been drastic and will probably be permanent.”

    “More than two years after the recovery officially began, American employers have reinstated less than a quarter of the jobs lost during the downturn, according to Labor Department figures.”

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/45523450

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: When the free markets can’t take care of our people, the government must. That’s what government is for. That’s why it exists.

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    From an email I just got. In case there’s any Spokanites out there reading this.

    Please join Washington CAN!, the Peace and Justice Action League, UFCW 21, Occupy Spokane, the WSNA and others for a “We Can Do Better!” march in downtown Spokane this Saturday at noon. You will to hear from everyday Spokanites who traveled to the Capitol in protest of further budget cuts, and from front-line working heroes who are also impacted by the revenue shortfalls in our state.

    We will sing “creative” Christmas carols along our march route during peak shopping hours, and will pass out cherry red 99% solidarity balloons to show our political support for people in need this holiday season.

    “We Can Do Better” Spokane March to Raise Revenue and Stop Budget Cuts
    When: Saturday, December 3rd 2011; Noon-1:30
    Where: Meet at the fountain at Riverfront Park, 507 N. Howard Street Spokane, Washington 99201
    What: Leafleting, singing and marching to many of the banks in the area.
    Contact: Liz Moore, Peace & Justice Action League, lmoore@pjals.org, 838-7870
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/events/276458919058179/

    After already cutting $10 billion away from vital programs and services in our community we are rallying to say “Enough is enough!” We will not stand for further cost-creating cuts to health care, education and social services in Spokane. It is time to raise revenue to buy back these devastating cuts and get our state economy back on track!

    Bring your signs and warm clothing to march in the chilly weather. This march is taking place in solidarity with a “We Can Do Better” march taking place in Olympia around the same issues at the same time. For details see: OccupytheCapitol.org. For more on the campaign to stop the cuts, visit http://oureconomicfuture.org/.

  42. 42

    @21 Anyone who gave an employer a resume as deceptive as the typical GOP candidate’s campaign spiel would be summarily fired for dishonesty. Keep that in mind when you vote on Nov. 6, 2012.

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    I saw Ed Shultz get worked up over Top Gear’s Jeremy Clarkson’s comments. I suspect Jeremy could kick Ed’s ass in a smackdown contest pretty much the same way Carrie Fischer has been kicking William Shatner’s ass of late. The Shat’s latest video dissing Carrie and Star Wars is pretty weak stuff. Princess Leia will likely bury Captain Kirk with her next video smackdown. Anyways, Ed should think twice before taking on Jeremy because he can be funny as hell even while he’s being mean, and he can be very, very mean.

    Hmm, if the GOP could come up with a candidate half as funny, witty and mean as Clarkson, we’d all be in much deeper shit than we are now.

  44. 44

    38
    That’s one perspective. The reality, however, is that Romney simply has no soul. Who could possibly give a frank assessment of what the man stands for? He could be liberal in Massachusetts, but I doubt his heart was in it. He was just burnishing his resume.

  45. 45

    That’s one perspective. The reality, however, is that Romney simply has no soul.

    Yeah, I know.

  46. 46

    @43

    Jeremy Clarkson’s tried to shoot rifles on a couple episodes of Top Gear. He’s more a danger to himself than to anyone else.

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    @43

    Big Fat Fuck Eddie “teh jealus” Schultz is a piece of shit on the same level as Glen Beck.

    both those fucks should be chained to a Buick and thrown over the side of a boat.

    If I saw him on the street, he would eat two boots to the face.

    and Top Gear is TOP SHELF stuff…love that show.

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    @47 Why do you have against Ed Shultz who advocates for the working man?
    Why are you UnAmerican?
    Why do you hate workers?

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    @49

    Fat Fuck Eddie Schultz is all about Fat Fuck Eddie Schultz..
    He is a self admitted jealous piece of shit.

    nothing but an opportunistic pig, just like glen beck

    go ahead, keep swallowing his kook-aid.

    Why do you hate freedom? why do you hate america? why do you love socialism? why do you love fat fucking pieces of shit like Fat Fuck Eddie Schultz?

    go fuck yourself, Blue Balls.

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    The BBC has apologized after one their most popular hosts called to have striking public workers killed “in front of their families.”

    Labor unions claimed Wednesday that as many as two million public workers joined a strike over cuts in pension rights as part of an austerity program by the British government.
    In an interview on BBC’s The One Show Wednesday, Jeremy Clarkson, host of BBC’s Top Gear, was asked about the strikes that had affected “schools, hospitals, airports, even driving tests.”
    “Frankly, I’d have them all shot!” Clarkson exclaimed.
    “I would take them outside and execute them in front of their families. I mean how dare they go on strike when they’ve got these gilt-edged pensions that are going to be guaranteed while the rest of us have to work for a living?”

    No wonder you like the guy.

  52. 52

    @50

    is your pussy aching?

    figures a turd like you would be all up on fat fuck eddie schultz’s jockstrap. keep swallowing his kook-aid, dolt.

    Saying fat ass eddie schultz is for the working man is like saying poverty pimp jesse jackson or his fat ass friend al “dont call me Don King” sharpton is for the black man. NOT. they are all about themselves.

    why do you hate america? why do you love socialism? why do you love stalin? why do you love pol pot? why cant you get a job and support yourself? why do you have to rely on me to keep you fed and housed?

    just askin…..

  53. 53

    a piece of shit on the same level as Glen Beck.

    Heh. The silly hateful asshat troll must have “invested” in some crap coins from Goldline on Beck’s say-so.

    What a “lemming”…

    Ed Schulz.. Unions invite him to speak at their confabs all the time.. They love him.

  55. 55

    @52

    I dont do the coin stuff, so stuff it you lazy castillian. hows life in the mediocre lane? still wondering how next months bills are gonna get paid?

  56. 56

    why do you love stalin?

    Translation: the volume of the empty space between the troll’s ears stopped growing Jan 1981..

  57. 57

    or should I say, crapstillian? do they do anything over there other than sleep and take handouts from the US govt?

    Geezus, if it wasnt for rich British tourists, that place would be a toilet.

  59. 59

    54 – Heh. The know nothing racist speaks and says nothing worth crap as usual…

    Life’s grand dumbass.. We have no worries..

    We’re not racists.

  60. 60

    @58

    oh bullshit..your and rujaxoff’s hatred of blacks is well documented.

    go take a siesta you lazy wart.

    as for me, I hate everyone that is a lazy loser – regardless of color…..and that includes you.

    go be productive and make me a taco.

  61. 61

    where is El Cid when you need him?

    now thats a dude I can respect…..you? eh, not so much.

    socialism…its for pussies.

  62. 62

    I hate everyone

    Yep, you do. And this is a great place to spew that bile.

    Here you’re free to be yourself: a racist.

  63. 63

    Max,
    Your Top Gear hero lives in a socialist country & gets at least some funding though the socialist BBC. He drives around in cars for a living and get rich and he’s got the nerve to complain about a civil servant with a crap job, crap pay, and a crap retirement? He’s the gilded lilly in the equation.

    Plus, I’ve seen him shoot. He’s got lousy aim.

    His show is way better than the Ed Show. I’ll give him that.

  64. 64

    Eeps, this doesn’t sound good.

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. – Former South Dakota senator and 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern was flown to Avera McKennan Hospital in Sioux Falls, S.D., after falling and hitting his head in Mitchell.

    By Cliff Owen, AP
    McGovern, 89, was scheduled to appear on a live C-SPAN broadcast of his presidential campaign when the accident occurred, shortly before 7 p.m. central time. McGovern was walking to the set at Dakota Wesleyan University when he tripped, according to his daughter, Ann.
    “It could be very serious,” she said, who was reached while driving from Mitchell to Sioux Falls. “He went down very hard outside on the cement.”
    Don Simmons, the executive director of the McGovern Center at Dakota Wesleyan University, said the fall was not just “a minor spill.”
    “About 10 feet from the door he slipped and fell and hit his head,” Simmons said. “He was bleeding pretty heavily.”
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/n.....51599430/1

  65. 65

    @62 continued

    Plus, that guy wouldn’t shoot anyone. Hell, it’s england. Good luck trying to get anything other than a non-semiauto .22 or a double barrel shotgun and they track and limit how much ammo you can buy.

    All it really does is make him look like an ass. He’ll come out with a retraction in a day or two.

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    Embattled presidential candidate Herman Cain is expected to announce Saturday whether he will continue his campaign in the wake of an accusation that he conducted a 13-year extramarital affair.

    Not that it matters, he never had a hope in hell in the first place.

  67. 67

    my hatred of hispanics is well documented.

    Yes it is.. All one has to do to see this hatred is to admit commenting while latino..

    Then the epithets start flowing:

    ╰─$ b cs -b ylbarrio -c
    +——-+
    | count |
    +——-+
    | 14 |
    +——-+

    ╰─$ b cs -b ylburrito -c
    +——-+
    | count |
    +——-+
    | 11 |
    +——-+

    now go have a taco and shut the fuck up.

    hey burritoface

    Sure sucks to be a hateful racist like you asshat!

  68. 68

    Incredible:

    “This country would be so much better off if we had more people who had Gerard Arpey’s sense of responsibility and character as well as ability,” said David Boren, the president of the University of Oklahoma and a former governor and U.S. senator.

    http://thinkprogress.org/econo.....o-retires/

    The asshat set has only one word for a CEO like this:

    sucker..

    or something more evil.. see the moron’s epithets @ 50..

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    D. Michael Lindsay, the president of Gordon College, interviewed Arpey for a New York Times op-ed about his choice. Arpey told Lindsay that he wanted his company to honor its commitments to its workers:
    When we discussed the prospect of bankruptcy at American he spoke with an almost defiant tone of the company’s commitment to its employees and holders of its stock and debt. “I believe it’s important to the character of the company and its ultimate long-term success to do your very best to honor those commitments,” he said. “It is not good thinking — either at the corporate level or at the personal level — to believe you can simply walk away from your circumstances.”

    My hat’s off to him.

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    An austerity program in the U.S. targeting governmant programs that assist the people of the nation would probably not be much noticed because the government doesn’t doesn’t do much in thst area anyway.

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    @19

    99. Politically Incorrect spews:

    “Reminds me of the simpleminded, adolescence-arrested world view of libertarians.”

    Let me guess: you must work for some sort of government entity.
    12/02/2011 at 1:17 pm

    Oops – sorry I missed your post.

    Nope – I’m a small business owner.

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    @29
    He was once my senator. I’ll never forgive him for being the patron and chief sponsor of Clarence Thomas – an unforgivable sin.

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    @40
    RR:

    That’s what government is for. That’s why it exists.

    I thought it was just there to administer the riot police and the military, in order to keep the serfs under control.

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    why do you love socialism?

    Didn’t your Jesus command, “Love your neighbor as yourself.”?

    Isn’t “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need” the most Christian way to organize an economy?

    I assume, given your right-wing blathering, that you call yourself a Christian, right?

    I gave up religion a long time ago, but I never cease being amazed at the ability of the right-wing Christianists to wrap themselves in their Bibles and our flag, all the while spewing the most vile demands for greed and exploitation.

    I think there is some sort of atrophied conscience with these people – a part of the soul is missing.

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    @73
    Christ, for a so-called scientist, you sure do make a habit of erroneous assumptions.

    Where have I ever mentioned Jesus or Christianity.

    Nice try, but you fail.

    As for YLBleeder, I see he is back to making up quotes again. YLB, a weak, limp dicked, loser at life living “off the net” in his basement”

    LMFAO…

    Michael, its s stretch, even for you, to call Clarkston a hero…LOL…its an entertaining show, nothing more.

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    making up quotes again.

    Like you making up shit about “well documented” remarks on southern blacks..

    No sorry miserable documented racist, just telling the truth.

    About a dumbshit liar and hater. – you.

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    they are well documented….go check your datubayze….

    do you ever get frustrated with the mediocre life you live? I bet you actually dont – you have accepted your fate.

    you dont offer anything. run along now.

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    Isn’t “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need” the most Christian way to organize an economy?

    The Christian way to organize an economy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

    Distributism (also known as distributionism, distributivism) is a third-way economic philosophy formulated by such Catholic thinkers as G. K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc to apply the principles of Catholic social teaching articulated by the Catholic Church, especially in Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical Rerum Novarum[1] and more expansively explained by Pope Pius XI’s encyclical Quadragesimo Anno[2]
    According to distributism, the ownership of the means of production should be spread as widely as possible among the general populace, rather than being centralized under the control of the state (state socialism) or a few large businesses or wealthy private individuals (laissez-faire capitalism). A summary of distributism is found in Chesterton’s statement: “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.”[3]
    Essentially, distributism distinguishes itself by its distribution of property (not to be confused with redistribution of wealth). While socialism allows no individuals to own productive property (it all being under state, community, or workers’ control), distributism itself seeks to ensure that most people will become owners of productive property. As Belloc stated, the distributive state (the state which has implemented distributism) contains “an agglomeration of families of varying wealth, but by far the greater number of owners of the means of production.”[4] This broader distribution does not extend to all property, but only to productive property; that is, that property which produces wealth, namely, the things needed for man to survive. It includes land, tools, etc.[5]

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    Golly rhp6033@21, This was brought up by rujax a month ago in the rejected motherjones article and was destroyed in the lawsuit. Cain was removed as a participant in the lawsuit. Cain was not part of the group who approved the money.

    Recycled trash. You are Cass Sunstein’s Malleable Homer Simpson Idiot!

    You possess moronic moonbat moral memory malady.

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    Damn Steve, you’ve been paying attention to the on-line PCMag tiff between Carrie and William? Those videos are a hoot. Call Bill Shatner Han Solo was priceless.

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    they are well documented….go check your datubayze….

    Shaolin Monk Max,

    Maybe the crazed databaze deala has you mixed up in his “capture” of Sound Politics. Did you see his faylure attempt on Puddy regurgitating his Sound Politics captures.

    ROTFLRHMBBAO!

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    they are well documented…

    zzzzzzZZZZzzzz… Yet another pathological liar like Puddydope..

    Yet what else is new about right wingers?

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