You know how you get to know somebody online or in email or on the phone, and then when you finally meet them in person they’re nothing like what you expected? Well the first time I met Ivan Weiss, he was exactly what I expected.
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If I ever met Lost, I’m sure he’d be just what I’d expect – a smug, shallow and insipid ass who won’t STFU.
Speaking of that smug, shallow and insipid ass, we have a contender for the Effin’ Golden Goat award, and, no, it’s not that stupid goatfucker, the Klynical KLOWN. This one is Lost, who spews nothing but contempt towards America’s unemployed, the hapless victims of thirty years of what is the abject failure of Reaganomics. Here is Lost, who after the Bush Crash, openly pines for yet more tax cuts for the rich and even more deregulation, sharing with us his Dicksonian vision of an America where the poor and unemployed receive a jack-boot in the groin from him and his utter lack of concern and empathy,
Lost keeps telling us that the contemptuous unemployed should just take their family, move somewhere and get a job. We kept asking him, where in this country are the millions of jobs for these people? Lost says that he doesn’t know and that he doesn’t care. That, folks, is wingnuttia in a fucking nutshell. They don’t know and they don’t care.
From the P-I,
Republicans? Hmm, I can’t help but wonder if these are also “known associates” of Dino Rossi?
Biden says the ecomomy is heading the right way…..ha. record unemployment, record debt, record loss of home sales, stocks plumeting, investments dwindling…I want some of what this dude is smoking
@1, @2
These are both reflections of the same sociopathic outlook common to Republicans.
I. GOT. MINE.
The Bontrager fools are common criminals. Lost is somehow more incideous and obnoxious – the almost apologetic sanctimony, passive agressive, yet voicing a corrosive disregard for his fellow citizens. Nasty.
@1 “Dicksonian”
Oops! That should have read, “Dickensian”. My bad.
OMG, someone in King County took their gives off! Hell, most people in King County politics (or Olympia or Pierce County) won’t even put on gloves and get in the ring.
Good job Ivan. Fight the good fight, brother.
Watching the polling data has been a pure pleasure. Marxism is going to get an ass kicking in November
RE 4
I’ve never met you and you know nothing about me except my politics. Yet I’m worse than someone else you’ve never met, about whom you know a few allegations printed in the paper. I’m a sociopath, I’m insiduous, I have a corrosive disregard for my fellow citizens and I’m nasty. All on the evidence of a few words in a political blog and a disagreement about the basic nature and function of government?
From Steve I get it. He seems reasonably intelligent on occasion. But he’s in a high stress job in an a very uncertain industry (if you go by his claims.) The stress finds an outlet in obnoxious and pointless blurts of irrational anger. Fine.
But you, you call yourself a scientist?
Corrupt Republicans are not only the province of the county north of King.
Another ruling of misconduct goes against Washam
@8
Boo Fucking Hoo, Lost.
I derive my opinion from your comments on this thread regarding politics and society. Comments which I find repugnant in their sentiments of hollow Randianism, disregard for those that want, infantile libertarianism – in essence, the posture of the contemporary Republican party.
Moreover, your delivery is characterized by smarmy sanctimony and misplaced condescension, leavened with a touch of victimhood – well illustrated in your last post.
@10 “thread” should be “blog” in the second line.
@8, By all that is Glibertarian RandRoid holy, shouldn’t the invisible hand fairy have provided you a blog were your comments are, if not worshiped and quoted for your wisdom, at least not ridiculed for your….
Probably one already exists. Let us know so we lesser mortals may observe how the Glibertarians treat your words and comments.
“I’m a sociopath, I’m insiduous, I have a corrosive disregard for my fellow citizens and I’m nasty.”
No disagreement from me on that one, Lost.
“From Steve I get it. He seems reasonably intelligent on occasion. But he’s in a high stress job in an a very uncertain industry (if you go by his claims.) The stress finds an outlet in obnoxious and pointless blurts of irrational anger. Fine.”
Pulled from your ass. As far as my so-called “claims”, Max and I have worked on the same projects. We’ve talked openly about our work in these comment threads. He knows I’m not bullshitting him, just as I know that he’s not bullshitting me. But speaking of bullshit “claims”, you haven’t shown us that you know jack shit about the construction biz.
lee, you ever watch dea on spike? if not, take a look, and tell me, you think the government/police are ever going to give up that real life, high stakes game?
Liberal Scientist/Steve
There was a running bet on a jobsite I worked on when starting in construction years ago. I found out about it after I moved into a different position.
A bottle of Scotch went to the man who could make me angry. No-one won. These were mostly men I respected and liked whose opinion mattered to me.
I’m extremely unlikely to become angry with an anonymous poster on a blog for spouting opinions about me with no basis in fact. Sorry. I’ll leave the ‘fuck you’ and personal attacks to those with nothing more to the point to say.
Have a nice evening.
HA! As soon as I read you spend time in Philly, I thought, well then you’ll get along great with Ivan. Hard core, loves to swear, takes no prisoners, relentless and knows everybody. Philadelphia alpha male through and through.
Out of curiousity, Steve, are you Liberal Scientist as well? The last post from that screen-name seemed so like your style I couldn’t help but wonder.
Lost @ 17–
Steve posts under numerous monikors
So does the Rabbit.
So does SJ
So does YLB
You are basically communicating with a handful of lunatics with multiple personality disorder.
The Blog Game is to PROJECT lots of hits & interaction so you can get advertising.
Anything goes.
“A bottle of Scotch went to the man who could make me angry. No-one won.”
It’s all about you, isn’t it, Lost? Um, you might want to look into that NPD thing I mentioned.
@17, 18
Nope, I’m not Steve.
I don’t sock-puppet.
I’m just me.
There just happen to be several of us who find your opinions offensive.
Re 19
Oh yes, I always forget that besides being an amazing engineer and a golfer and yachtsman, you’re also a psychologist. In your free time, doubtless, you volunteer at soup kitchens and knit socks for the deserving poor, while writing critical essays on the Pre Raphaelites.
There really is something wrong with your mind Steve. I thought you should know.
Lost-
Steve is an alcoholic.
He makes up pretend Black friends…and when confronted, says the guy died!
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The guy owns a Tollycraft and was Kommodore of the all-whitey Yacht Club and a member of Alderbrook. He must feel guilty about his success so pretends to care about less fortunate…doing nothing but posting here to help.
Steve is…nuts!
@19 Steve 08/24/2010 at 6:40 pm,
You beat me to it.
Re 20
Sorry. It’s just that normally you seem an intelligent and thought provoking person. Well, for a liberal. That lost post was pure applesauce.
@19
Narcisism is a central tenet of Republicanism.
And I agree that Lost’s style does indeed have a cloying quality, a self-centeredness that is both reflected in the Glibertarian content and likely also mirrors the personal struggle between victim and Ubermensch/Galt that the righties like to cultivate.
@17 “Out of curiousity, Steve, are you Liberal Scientist as well?”
No, I only post as Steve. On occasion, another poster will show up using the same screen name.
@18 “Lost @ 17–
Steve posts under numerous monikors”
No, I do not. You’re not only an idiot, KLOWN, you’re a lying idiot. But everybody already knows that about you. I imagine Lost has a handle on that by now too.
Re 23 and 19
Liberals have a really hard time with literary devices.
How’s this? I think Steves irrational anger stems in part from his inability to get a rise out of others. He’s basically a bully and a cretin. For some reason Lib Sci has been behaving similarly. The anecdote was purely to let both know the futility of the endeavor so that neither would continue to waste time in it.
Is that sufficiently clear even for a liberal?
I usually feel like the interwebs bring out the worst in people and that most who come to a place like HA or the comment section of a newspaper would probably enjoy each other’s company in person.
Wish I could go back in the day to see how many “mutherfuckers!” were sent by telegraph. Take the non-verbal communication away from human interactions and it can get bloody.
Re 25
Ah, so because you don’t like my writing style and my politics I’m a narcissist, sociopath etc etc?
Make up your mind already, will you?
Like many stuck in adolescence and who adore Ayn Rand, Lost fancies himself a writer with an understanding of and having mastered the capability of literary devices, best evidenced in comment threads.
Question for HA bloggers …
If a American group bought land in Nagasaki and Hiroshima Japan, two blocks from ground zero in both cities, and proposed building 13 story tall statues of Harry S Truman in each city, as a way of bridging bridging the gap between our two cultures, would you label the Japanese intolerant if they objected?
Re 30
I don’t like Rand, and have written this numerous times. While making some valid points her style and exxageration make carricutures of them.
I love good writing. I love languages and always have done. I am however, sadly aware of my deficiencies as a writer. In reading the great writers the only comparison I make to my writing is that of an ant to a giant.
And what the heck does- “Lost fancies himself a writer with an understanding of and having mastered the capability literary devices, best evidenced in comment threads.”- even mean?
tienle @16:
Yo! Goldy, Lee, Ivan and I are all Philly kids.
You’re right, though. We all grew up with Ivan-types.
I mean, if you are consistent, you would have to agree that erecting statues of Harry Truman in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, are perfectly reasonable structures to erect near ground zero, correct?
@31
You just cannot stop hating, can you? Or fearing? Stop the bedwetting already!
Perhaps the better analogy than the one you gave would be that if a group of Christians in Japan wanted to build a church on their property in Nagasaki…
Oops, they’ve already done that, and it’s been registered as a national treasure!
What is so frightful about a group of Americans building what is essentially a YMCA or JCCA in their very diverse neighborhood? Why the utter fright – or is the racism just too hard to keep inside?
Calling it a “hate mosque” or “victory mosque” is as malignantly deceitful as “Death Panels” or the rationale for the BushIraq War or the Bush tax cuts.
Why cant you tell the truth?
“Oh yes, I always forget that besides being an amazing engineer and a golfer and yachtsman, you’re also a psychologist. In your free time, doubtless, you volunteer at soup kitchens and knit socks for the deserving poor, while writing critical essays on the Pre Raphaelites.”
Amazing? No, but for building life safety systems, particularly for healthcare facilities and hi-rises, I am indeed a nationally recognized code authority. And, yes, I happen to be a good golfer and have competed in many amateur tournaments in the Championship flight and have a number of wins. Yes, I have a degree in psychology, which comes in handy now and then when I encounter NPD shits such as yourself. No, I am not a yachtsman, not unless you consider a 14′ Livingston to be a yacht. I do not help in soup kitchens. That’s what my dear Ms. Wingnut does. I help people directly. I’ll give the down and out a place to live, even going so far as to buy one terminally ill man a house to live in until he died some years later, and then the equity in that home went to his surviving family. I’m presently helping someone develop a new career so that he can get back on his feet. In my will, my entire estate goes to charity – the Friends of Youth. I don’t write essays on Pre Raphaelites, but I am finishing a novel.
Why do you ask? Got inferiority issues, Lost?
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My goodness! Now there’s an example of a psycho-laugh for you. heh- I learned all I need to know about KLOWNS in Psych 101.
@35
You cleverly avoided telling me if you think it would be insensitive for Americans to erect 13 story statues of Harry Truman 2 blocks from ground zero in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Please answer. Would it be insensitive?
@37 Troll 08/24/2010 at 7:25 pm,
Wait. When did al qaeda start developing property in NY, NY?
Or is your analogy fatally flawed?
And don’t forget to shop at Walmart (SEIYU) on your next visit to Japan!
@38, no, my analogy holds, because while not all Muslims believe as al qaeda does, not Americans believe as Harry Truman did.
“How’s this? I think Steves irrational anger stems”
You’re already wrong. That’s what happens when you pull shit from your ass.
@39. Troll 08/24/2010 at 7:33 pm,
Why after Eric Robert Rudolph, who is associated with the far right and was connected with the white supremacist Christian Identity movement, bombed the summer Olympics in Atlanta in 1996 (which killed two people and injured at least 150 others), weren’t you up in arms about all the Christian churches built in Atlanta?
Would love to hear how you see that differently.
“The anecdote was purely to let both know the futility of the endeavor so that neither would continue to waste time in it.”
And yet you’re the one going on and on about it, Lost. Hmm, it’s looking more and more like we’ve identified some issues. I’ll be glad to listen if you want to talk about it. No charge.
I DEMAND an answer to my question!
I wonder if Homeland Security walked into Fox News and asked them to stop stirring up this hornet’s nest because it was threatening the lives of Americans and American troops if they’d actually stop?
@37, 39
No, Troll, your “analogy” is so flawed it doesn’t deserve to be called that.
Hmm…putting up a statue of a wartime adversarial leader responsible (rightly or wrongly) for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, immediately proximal to the sites of those deaths…
…versus…
a group of Americans buiding a a Muslim-flavored YMCA in the midst of their community that is proximal to the site of a horrific terrorist attack that had nothing to do with them except as fellow victims.
You have no interest in rational discussion.
@43
And I DEMAND that you get over having a tiny dick.
@43
Why do you hate America?
@45
So it would be insensitive to build a 13 story tall statue of Harry Truman two blocks away from ground zero in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Even it were meant to “bridge the gap of understanding between our two cultures?”
I have another question. Was it just coincidence that all 19 hijackers were Muslim?
@49 Muslims? Shit, Troll, WTF are we going to do about the Irish? I tell you, those fuckers are everywhere now. It’s like a damned roach infestation.
@49
Well since they were all from the same religious extremist group, I doubt they would have been attracting many Baptists.
I’ve heard it’s been said that in Oslo, Norway, where foreign born Muslim men make up only 1% of the population, they allegedly account for over 50% of the rapes in that city. With many of the men allegedly referring to the native born Norwegian women as sluts and whores because they don’t dress more modestly.
@52
I’ve heard it’s been said that Troll (Stgzm) is a moron and a sheep fucker, responsible for all of the sheep rapes in WA.
I’ve heard it’s been said that Troll eats the testicles off his sheep before he fucks them and that being repeatedly kicked in the head explains his complete lack of rational thought.
The have crime and violence and hate in their blood:
http://www.desmoinesregister.c.....-overtones
completelylost: What a whiny pussy boi!
@53
and speaking of morons, uptown, would you like to continue our discussion on your great investment into Belltown(Helltown?).
I just loved the way you got your ass handed to your before(hint: dont start throwing numbers around unless you have a clue).
“12-year-old Indonesian Christian schoolgirls beheaded by Muslims.”
Wow, reading up on the religion of peace, I ran across this story, and the graphic pictures that went along with it.
This just solidifies what I already knew: Everything I need to know about Islam, I learned on 9/11.
Flattery will get you nowhere, Goldy.
@1, I found this in a class I’m taking.
This explains lost and the conservatives. They value Individualism to an extreme degree. It doesn’t matter if 6 million or 60 million Americans cannot find work. What matters is that he’s working. The “Me” society.
Blue John,
“They value Individualism to an extreme degree.”
Well, remove ‘extreme’ and the value judgements you place on individualism and I agree. The immediate reaction I felt to the last sentence of your quote was 2 part. First it was pride and second fear that we are losing that distinction through progressive policies.
In a larger sense the ‘me’ society (as you characterize it) is the means for obtaining the best results for the greatest numbers of poeple. A society built on the weaker value of altruism, particularly a multicultural one, will fail sooner or later. It will emasculate its citizens and destroy the values of work and thrift and indidual reward for individual effort that were responsible for building it.
Problem is, you and the other liberals see social challenges in 2 month increments. Conservatives tend to look at what the next 5 years or 50 look like if policies are put in place. We see the same problems, but one does rational cost/benefit analysis, the other doesn’t. It all turns on whether your definition of compassion is to temporarily alleviate a problem at whatever cost to society or the individual, or to find more permanent solutions to building a better society.
What’s the 1st word in the Constitution?
That’s right: it’s “WE”. The founders created a WE society.
Why do you hate the founders, completelylost?
@61. Cool. You agree with my assessment of your individualism. It doesn’t to you that millions cannot find work, what matters to you, is that you are working.
I can see the advantages of that mind set. It’s very easy. Worry about yourself only. That is a very frontier mentality. You HAD to be individual and self sufficient when you were homesteading.
The way I see it, we just have too many people in this country for Extreme Individualism to work. Can you see how it breaks down into savagery very quickly, between the haves and the have nots?
How are you going to have an urban population if everyone is supposed to grow their own food and hunt or farm their own meat if they lose their job? Are they suppose to starve?
If you have a job but everyone else on the block does not, and is getting hungry, now you have to build walls and barricade yourself against the desperate hordes.
Because their Extreme Individualism requires them to feed their family, and that will end up meaning they come into your apartment, your house, your compound and take your your stuff, and your food.
After all, Just like you, they care about THEIR family only, they need to pay for food and keep the lights on and pay for rent.
In the frontier, would the homesteader, with no means to get more food from his labors, let his family, his wife and kids starve to death, if he knew the next farm over still had a stocked pantry? First he’d offer his services, then he’d beg, then he’d get desperate enough to take. Because after all, all that mattered was his family. And the other homesteader would defend his stuff because after all, all that mattered was his respective family. This would end in blood and death.
Do you see it differently?
@ 62&63;
It’s hard for “lostinhisownasshole” to have much perspective when all he sees is the vast expanses of his own colon.
@63: I suspect the response you get from completelylost will be cloudy with a chance of precipitation.
In actual fact, this is the result of completelost’s infantile glibertarianism:
http://lanekenworthy.net/2010/.....h-updated/
Lost, that was a doozy of a statement. “A society built on the weaker value of altruism, particularly a multicultural one, will fail sooner or later.”
Can we parse out a couple of really big concepts there?
How do you define multicultural? How do you define Monoculturalism?
Are you saying america should be one single culture from one end to the other? How do you define American culture? Which culture is that? All christian? Which version? All Catholic? All Mormon? All Evangelical?
Do you want the culture of the Bay Area or the culture of rural South or the culture of Midwest Farmer, or the culture of a polygamous town in Utah or the culture of the rigid 1950s or the culture of the founding fathers where slavery was legal and only land owners and men could vote?
A society that is a blend of altruism and community AND individualism and individual greed is NOT as strong as a society based just on greed? You really think that?
# 66: I guess Switzerland is destined for a quick collapse. A society which is made up of three different cultural groups – French, German, and Italian – can’t last long. Added to that stress is the fact that these groups come from countries with centuries of warfare between them. Why, I bet it can’t last twenty years…
Oh, wait…..
Screw individualism!
We need a society of pussies that cant take care of themselves, dont take any responsibility for themselves, and need their hand held from cradle to grave! fuck ya!
Zotz,
The founders didn’t create a ‘we’ society. They stated an axiomatic truth that all societies are such. You happen to think societies are stronger that makes of individuals a sacrificial victim to their fellows. I happen to think that if individuals derive no profit from their society the foundations of it are in jeapardy.
Blue John,
In part the above could address your contentions.
In part you simply misunderstand what was written. I explicitly rejected the adjective ‘extreme’ and your intrepretation of how I view fellow citizens.
At any rate, the fundamental problem with liberal thougth is that it reckons without basic and powerful human drives. Yes, I care more about my family than a nameless and faceless one down the street. And no, I make no apologies for that. It is my job as a husband and father.
Nor do I apologize for the rewards of my sacrifices, hard work, discipline and so on. Call it greed if you wish. But I see no profit in planting a garden whose produce I can’t eat. In fact if you carry this kind of social engineering out over time, pretty quick no-one plants gardens. That is to say, the end result of liberal thougth is a society incapable of industry, discipline or sacrifice. One I have no wish to live in.
Re 66
I see. You’re looking for me to say that the US should be all heterosexual Protestants, preferably white?
Not going to happen. The US is among the most culturally diverse nations on the planet. This has huge positives. It has also some negatives when lawmaking or attempting to find the common ground any society needs to obtain cohesiveness and thrive. This isn’t a judgement on Asian and South American and Eastern European cultures which partake of and enhance the American experience. It is simply a fact.
“A society that is a blend of altruism and community AND individualism and individual greed is NOT as strong as a society based just on greed? You really think that?”
Those elements exist in tension with each other, but are present in any society in differing degrees. Without altruism we’d have a savage jungle to live in. Without individualism we’d have a weak and worthless one incapable of overcoming any crisis. The difference in liberal and conservative is in degree of these impulses, not recognizing and incorporating them. Liberals rely too heavily on altruism, always a weak impulse in human beings, and base their hopes and dreams on that. Conservatives over-emphasize greed and would create a dark and cold kind of world to live in.
It is the contest of ideas between the two that give most rational folks some decent middle in which to live.
Lost, I admire your complete unwillingness to let reality get in the way of your vision. You are like a conservative version of the liberals of the 1960s. You have this idealized vision of extreme individualism so this a sordid example of the reality of what it would end up like.
My friend is attempting to live in an urban part of Vancouver Washington. People routinely harvest his garden for herbs and vegetables. The locals takes his flowers. Someone dumps trash and needles in his yard. People only talk to him to ask him where the closest pawn shop is, as they case his house. Rule of law has broken down. He could defend his hearth and home, but the only way to that would be a walled compound or shooting people(Not allowed and would escalate.) Or he can move.
The locals are doing exactly what you promote. They care more about their lives than his. They need flowers, they take them. They need vegetables, they take them. They have trash, they dump it. There is no shared community there, there is no we society, it’s every man for himself. Why should they care about the community? what’s in it for them?
And this is the way you steadfastly want America to be?
@54
ekim, there is just no way you cannot be jewish.
@70. lostinaseaofblue spews:
Your argument implied that. I wanted to see if you really thought that.
Now, I’m asking you to reconcile how you can say a altruistic multicultural society is doomed to failure in one post and then in the next talk about how multicultural America is. By your logic, you expect America to fail, it’s just a matter of when.
Your ability to be rational and accepting of what America is, in on post and then whipsaw around and steadfastly refuse to let reality interfere with any of your arguments is breathtaking. I am envious of your ability to doublethink.
Re 72
No, but you’ve drawn an admirable picture of the end results of liberal collectivist thought.
Poeple want something, they take it.- Isn’t this how liberals see taxation of the ‘wealthy?’
People refuse to abide by basic rule of law.- And don’t progressives so often portray the criminal as a victim himself of poverty or family breakdown?
See, it isn’t industrious citizens who respect property by extension of the hard work they put into obtaining it that are the risk. It is those who see no connection between possesion of a house, food, childcare or medical care and so on, and the work that procures these.
We engage in social behavior for the protections it provides. Under liberal thought these protections are so often outweighed by the price paid that it endangers that very society.
RE 74
My argument nowhere put a value, or indeed mentioned, any specific attributes. You read what you wished to read.
And for reasons of your own you’re missing nuance. I value a society (implied we) which emphasises and encourages the role of the individual. All the negative imputations of individuality are yours, not mine. Nor have I dismissed multiculturism or altruism altogether at any point. I did note the weakness of the one and the inherent problems of the other, but so would any sociologic text on the subject.
Now, I’ve got a Spitfires cranky wiring to figure out. Have a nice day.
See, it isn’t industrious citizens who respect property…
People with JOBS, people who have a stake in the community.!
People refuse to abide by basic rule of law.- And don’t progressives so often portray the criminal as a victim himself of poverty or family breakdown?
But that doesn’t absolve them of complete responsibility.
It’s just dog whistle key words with you. I wished I had more time.
re 3:
Similar records were set in FDR’s first term, but I doubt you could convince even yourself that he was the cause of them. Very similar to this administration — even the deliberate twisting of the facts.
Really? Can you name those candidates that are running as Marxists?
@79
Really? Can you name those candidates that are running as Marxists?
it is pretty obvious that 99 per cent of democrats favor government control over the private sector. that pretty much is marxist.
This is what it’s like trying to have a discussion with you. You refuse to see, even consider, the consquences of your positions. You won’t take any ownership of them.
Lost: I’m against refrigerating food because the founding fathers did not have refrigerators.
Me: But as a consequence, your food will rot!
Lost: My argument nowhere put a value, or indeed mentioned, any specific attributes. You read what you wished to read.
@81 You nailed it, from the vapidity on down to the unwarranted smugness.
Re 82
You could save yourself time by simply putting quotation marks. This would indicate that you’re writing exactly what you’ve written before. And before that. And before that. Maybe throw in a fuck you or a wingnut for emphasis, and you could save yourself a lot of typing.
Re 81
You mentioned a specific harm from societal breakdown in Vancouver. Two problems with this. We don’t know why the breakdown occured, so blaming it on one political ideology or other is a bit premature. Second, we don’t know where in Vancouver your friend lives and what preconceptions he brought into the situation. If a person moves to Yakima and expects hick yokels he likely will interpret the reception he receives accordingly. Likewise, if a person moves to Seattle and expects out of control liberals he likely will find that.
Other than that specific harm, so far as I knew, we were discussing political theory, not individual cases. At any rate I did discuss the actual ramifications of theory in practice. In conservative theory you would find a gradually increasing self reliance and competence in the citizenry, with less call for government to do something about every minor daily problem. You would find increasing national identity as a proud and independent people, Americans. This is what we found the first 150 years of this countries existence to show.
In liberal thought put into practice you would find the opposite. Increasingly people would ask for government assistance with the most mundane daily issues. They would find it impossible to engage their neighbors in a civil discussion about neighborhood issues. They would be unable to think for themselves or act for themselves. This is the course FDR set, Johnson vastly expanded and which liberals have found compelling for reasons which quite escape me. It has resulted in the slow decay of this country. You see it most clearly in places like Seattle and LA.
Is that specific enough for you?
I love watching “lostinhisownasshole” working very, very, very hard to be very, very, very stupid.
BTW Blue John,
Your arguments are simply your interpetation of what I’ve written. To which I’m supposed to respond as though they are in fact what I wrote? This is called straw man argument, and it only works if your interlocutor buys your premise that you’re accurately stating his position.
Re 84
And to you it comes so naturally! I’m jealous.
Though it’s touching that I sem to amuse you, the joke is so on you and your puerile and imbecilic take on the world and how it works.
Stupid that can’t be fixed…you’ve got that in spades litle fella.
RE 87
Give yourself some credit, Rujax. You don’t seem to amuse me.
Puerile…look it up.
@888…
Doesn’t it get smelly in there?
I read somewhere that chimpanzees had been taught basic vocabulary, and even the means to input this into a computer.
Thanks for confirming that story, Rujax.
@83 Lost said
We don’t know why the breakdown occurred, so blaming it on one political ideology or other is a bit premature.
Please note, I was describing their behavior, not their motivations. I have no idea if people in this urban area of Vancouver were flaming liberals or John Burch conservtives. My point was they were acting in the way you aspire to. They were being resourceful individualists, looking out for themselves only and as a concequence, had no sense of community.
In conservative theory you would find a gradually increasing self reliance and competence in the citizenry, with less call for government to do something about every minor daily problem. You would find increasing national identity as a proud and independent people, Americans.
I agree with you that self reliance, Independence and competence in the citizenry are good things. Liberals and conservatives both want that. We do it in different ways. For example, a broad brush example is when faced with teaching our kids to be competent, conservatives home school , liberals fight for better public schools. I think that a strong middle class encourages those values.
Is that specific enough for you?
Not really
Increasingly people would ask for government assistance with the most mundane daily issues. They would find it impossible to engage their neighbors in a civil discussion about neighborhood issues.
Such as?
Do mean things like:
At the health care rallies, where the corporate interests bussed in conservatives screaming at the politicians, unwilling and unable to have a discussion?
Or at the hearings for the re purposing of the Seattle Center Fun Forest where the corporate interests stacked the deck, keeping the locals from participating in the discussion?
What are your examples? I may agree with you.
It has resulted in the slow decay of this country. You see it most clearly in places like Seattle and LA.
In what ways is Seattle decaying? Are there too many gangs? Are there too many gay people? Are there too many unwed mothers? Really, you have to back a general statement like that up with examples of what you see as decay in Seattle
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careful not to give Rujaxoff too much personal information…like where you go to church. If you do, he might make one of his “midnight runs” to the church and proceed to break windows, spraypaint hate, and vandalize cars.