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No doubt these are true patriots who fly the flag of slaver insurrection and sedition in the state of Washington.
Surely there can be no connection between people who fly the flag of slaver insurection and sedition and the teabaggers. Right?
Tancredo: Send Obama ‘back’ to Kenya
No. Nothing to see here. Move along.
You should read the comments on Joel’s article. It makes the trolls here seem tame, even nice, by comparison. He really struck a raw nerve.
Being Civil: “You should read the comments on Joel’s article. It makes the trolls here seem tame, even nice, by comparison. He really struck a raw nerve.”
Yes, I saw that too and was reminded of how much racists HATE being called racist. But, then, hate comes so naturally for them.
And on this day of remembrance of the innocent victims of the Oklahoma City bombing which killed 168 people on April 19th 1995, the keynote speaker of the 2009 CPAC convention has this to say
Well, that settles it then.
If someone is upset, then by all means they should murder. Damn liberals upsetting Conservatives.
Y’all go fly your Stars ‘n Bars of slaver insurrection and sedition. And if you are upset, please, please, please don’t murder people.
Lincoln should have just let the south secede. Who needs ’em anyway?
Certainly there are no dots to be connected between people who fly the flag of slaver insurrection and sedition and political terrorism.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Joel didn’t reference WHICH Confederate flag was being flown. There were a number of un-official “seccessionist” flags which pre-dated the formation of the Confederacy (including the S.Carolina “Palmatto” flag, and the Florida “Bonnie Blue Flag” which is the subject of the song of the same name).
Then there were the official flags recognized by the Confederate Congress. The first series was known as the “Stars and Bars”. It consisted of three horizontal stripes, two red and one white, with a blue field of stars representing the states of the Confederacy arrainged in a circle. There were four versions of this flag, each with a different number of stars as new states were deemed to be entered into the Confederacy. But this flag caused problems on the battlefield. If there wasn’t a brisk wind blowing, and with lots of smoke from black powder filling the air, it was very hard to distinguish the Confederate Stars and Bars from the U.S. flag.
So in May 1863 a new Confederate national flag was adopted, the “Stainless Banner”, which consisted of a white banner with a red field in the corner, imposed upon which was the diagnal bars of St. Andrew’s cross in blue, with the stars signifying the states in white. But this also caused confusion on the battlefield, because the flag needed a brisk breeze before it would be unfurled enough to see the red and blue field in the corner. It looked too much like a “parlay” or “surrender” flag.
So at this point you had a diversion of the official and the unofficial flags. Beginning with the Army of Northern Virginia, you had what is now known as the “Confederate Battle Flag”, which was simply the square field from the “Stainless Banner”, flown alone (without the confusing white). This gradually spread to some, but not all, of the Confederate armies, and was never officially recognized by the Confederate Congress. It is known unofficially as the “Confederate Battle Flag”.
In March 1865 the Confederate Congress tried to change the national flag by adding a vertical red bar to the right-hand side, to make it more distinquishable from a “parlay” or “surrender” flag. But by then it was far too late for that flag to gain much usage, the Confederacy only had a few weeks left before Lee’s surrender at Appomatox on April 9, 1865. (But remember that Lee’s surrender didn’t end the war – Davis and his cabinet fled Richmond and weren’t captured until a week or two later, Johnston surrendered in North Carolian only after Lincoln had been assassinated, and there were still battles to be fought at Mobile and in Texas).
What you will often find in tourist shops in the South, as well as at Klan rallies, etc., is a rectangular banner with the St. Andrew’s cross. This was never used in the Civil War, it was merely a modern construction. The real Confederate Battle Flag was always square, but even it was never officially adopted seperatly from the white banner upon which it was superimposed.
Anyway, not that it matters for the context of the article, but I’m a bit of a stickler when it comes to Civil War history.
A study was conducted in 1987 that showed 92% of people who own/display confederate flags are Democrats.
@9 Troll 04/19/2010 at 8:51 am,
A study was conducted today and it shows that if the best you got is some unknown 23 year old data point what you say is 99.99% irrelevant.
A chapter taken right out of chronic stoner Lee’s parenting guide:
http://www.bellinghamherald.co.....ed-in.html
@9 Also in 1987, a study was conducted that showed 95% of the Flat Earth Society are Republicans.
Don’t mind the fact that I don’t quote the source of the study and provide a link, just trust me on this.
I think Joel is foolish for continuing the attack on Tea Partiers. It simply has not worked. We need to quickly become more positive and focus on important issues like the deficit and reducing the size of government.
Any blowhard, gasbag like Joel trying to support those in power like President Obama by attacking those in the minority are just plain wrong.
If we don’t soon try a more positive strategy, we will get clobbered this November.
Tea Party terrorists concern me the same way the militia terrorist Tim McVieigh killed 168 innocent Americans 15 years ago today.
April 19th like September 11th have two common themes. They were gut wrenching tragic events, and they won’t deter America from reaching her goals of Liberty, Freedom, and Justice for all.
The America hating Teabaggers are the last defenders of the Reagan Revolution. They will not submit their actions, their patriotism, their rational behavior to the truth and reasoned thought.
As the old saying goes it’s always darkest before the dawn.
It is truly the darkest hour for the followers of Reaganism who believe the mantra that the government is the problem. The government of The People, by The People and for The People is not, and will never be the problem.
The People experimented with Reaganism and through the traditions of the American democratic process thoroughly rejected it and returned to our roots of Liberalism.
A new dawn is breaking across America and as the light of truth spreads across the land it will reveal the true nature and damage caused by the philosophical ideals of Ronald Reagan and his followers.
In their inevitable defeat the Reaganites will grow more violent, they will commit more murderous acts like blowing up buildings, flying private planes in the buildings and/or shooting people.
But it will not deter us. We will win this war of ideology the way we’ve always won it: with the truth and the ballot box. Sans the Civil War.
The Reagan Revolution only has two more election cycles left in it; two political heartbeats if you will.
The Reagan Revolution is, for all intent and purposes, DEAD!
Paybacks are a bitch! LOL.
http://www.king5.com/news/poli.....86454.html
@14 GBS 04/19/2010 at 9:54 am,
Didn’t you read it in Joel’s column? The president who famously said “we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” is, well…
Lincoln was a big government Soshuuleest!
@14 Interesting point. I don’t know that I see some “new dawn” breaking. It’s probably more reasonable to expect, or at least hope, that we’ll muddle along in a more positive direction than the right has been moving the nation since the Nixon years.
It is worth pointing out that behind all the ostensibly “anti-establishment” rhetoric, the teabaggers, and certainly their icons (Sarah Palin in particular) have nothing new whatsoever to propose, save for larger doses of the neoconservative elixir that made America so sick. Mind you, if you raise that point to any of these “true believers”, they won’t admit to a whit of that. In reality, their blabbering is a desperate attempt to drown out not only the criticism of others, but the tiny voice of reason most of them still have scratching away from the inside of their own heads.
It may be that the calamity of two years ago wasn’t severe enough, (or has yet to become so) to convince the most stubborn among us how truly awful the “conservative” meme was. That may not be the case until the merry folks riding around in the chartered busses find themselves by the side of the road attempting to thumb a ride.
Man, Republican’s really know how to party!
Now this is an interesting story out of Europe as the volcanic ash cloud from Iceland grounded many flights. Some are resuming, but the Britain has found a solution to get their people stranded in Spain home. Send in the Royal Navy. The Aircraft Carrier HMS Ark Royal, Helicopter Carrier HMS Ocean, and Amphibious Assault Ship HMS Albion are en-route.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....itons.html
19: They couldn’t use the chunnel?
Gee, I might own a modern version of the Confederate Battle Flag. I have a trunk full of stuff left over from when I was a kid growing up in the South. I know I have some Confederate currency, mostly reproductions but a few originals, and some tourist kitsch of various types. But I keep them in the trunk, I don’t display them for political purposes.
Given the carnage caused by the American Civil War, I don’t see any justification by anyone, North, South, East, or West, in their ill-thought out promises to repeat such an exercise. And that applies whether you call it the “Civil War”, the “War Between the States”, or the “War of the Southern Rebellion”, or the “War of Northern Agression”), etc.
# 8: Correction: both the Palmetto Flag and the Bonnie Blue Flag had their origin in South Carolina. The Palmetto emblem is still on the state flag of S. Carolina. The Bonnie Blue Flag (a blue flag with a single white star) flew over the Confederate works as they fired on Ft. Sumter. My confusion was that the Bonnie Blue Flag was also used by Bragg’s troops at Pensacola in 1861, but that may have been due to S. Carolina units being among those involved.
@20
The chunnel is running @ or over capacity.
I find it ironic that the British would be sending warships to France to evacuate British tourists.
I’m in the middle of a study of the German plans to invade Britain during WWII, under the code-same Sealowe (“Sea Lion”). It was a pretty laughable plan, excusable only because Hitler ordered a plan to be drawn up, and they did there best to try to make a plan. But it involved convoys of tugs towing Rhine River barges across the channel, despite the fact that average seas in the Channel, much less the wage from a small warship, could swamp the boats.
Maybe they could come up with some old Higgin’s boats to make the Calaise to Dover to crossing? That is, if a little thing like seasickness isn’t considered to be a significant problem.
@19, 24
Dunkirk!
It does look like Dunkirk II, but actually headed for Spain. Eurostar Trains are running pretty good through the chunnel, but not enough capacity. Would not be surprised if Duetsche Bahn uses this as a reason to go through with proposals for trains from Western Germany to London. The trains are based on the French TGV, but a special model.
The ferries to Ireland saw traffic upswing, as for awhile, Ryanair was unable to enter British Airspace. There will never be a Chunnel-West, unless Irish Rail is for building a standard-gauge line from Dublin to the East Coast. Irish trains run on a wider gauge, 5’3″ between rails.
A few years ago, at the 200th anniverary of the Battle of Trafalgar, the Royal Navy, Spanish Navy, and French Navy all sent warships for the festivities, the French had the biggest, with the CVN, Charles de Gaulle.
Where’s that fool Klynical?
Surprised he didn’t report that Obama is now only at -11 in the Rasmussen. Up from -17 a few days ago.
He should have also reported these numbers on the Wingnut Governor elected in NJ-
Monday, April 19, 2010
Fifty-three percent (53%) of New Jersey voters approve of the job Governor Chris Christie is doing, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of voters in the state. That includes 32% who strongly approve.
Forty-five percent (45%) disapprove of the performance of the new Republican governor, including 30% who strongly disapprove.
@9: Troll-baby: hahaha
What a fool you are troll. Thanks for making me laugh out loud at your incredible stoooopidity.
Are you really citing a “poll” from 23 years ago? Wow, and you don’t even cite it with a reference.
You really have no clue how to think or to argue a point.
Thanks for playing the villege idiot. You are a true star in that role.
“Where’s that fool Klynical?”
His up and down days are dictated by Rasmussen. On his down days he doen’t show up. This up and down Rasmussen-driven emotional rollercoaster ride of his is just another symptom of what ails the poor sap.
@24
rhp – Are you reading Macksey’s book, by chance? Or?