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You can’t argue with the truth, unless, of course, you still support those who say no to anything that might improve our healthcare delivery system. Way to go, Congressman Weiner.
I’m just paranoid that meaningful healthcare reform will be killed at the hands of a few Democrats who are in the pockets of the insurance companies.
One would expect the Republicans to oppose this:
Government Control and all that nonsense, but Democrats? feh.
Did I miss a discussion in here of the married, 47 y/o “family values” Republican state Senator in Tennessee who got caught (by being blackmailed) having taken a number of “explicit” photographs of a 22 y/o intern and student working in his office? The Senator’s much younger–than him–wife was also an intern in his office when he met her. Hey, isn’t that a pattern of predatory behavior?
Anyway, that filed affadavit states that the Senator was “in a sexual retionship” with the little hottie intern. But if the hottie intern felt at all pressured to be involved with the senator in order to maintain her position in his office, that’s a Class C felony under Tennessee law.
http://www.memphisdailynews.co.....x?id=43781
Hey, he won GOP Hypocrite of the Week on Buzzflash.com, where they detail all of the sanctimonious, moralizing legislation he has sponsored.
http://blog.buzzflash.com/honors/198
You gotta love technology. Without it we the people would be clueless about what the elected democrats think.
During his speech at a National Press Club luncheon, House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.), questioned the point of lawmakers reading the health care bill.
“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers.
“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?
Makes sense. Write a bill so big no one will read it yet vote yes on it. And to think I was always taught to read the fine print before signing a contract.
I wonder if conyers read anything about his wife pleading guilty to bribery conspiracy charges.
Picture of (see I said she was a hottie) intern here.
Article stating that she is still legally married to the
guyfelon she married at 18 (so they’re BOTH adulterers–more family values) here.4 MS
You have go to love people who don’t know a goddamned thing about how our government really works. Someone who doesn’t know that Congresspeople have professional staff who, if the Congresspeople are conscientious and not just banging the young men and women who work for them, are tasked with scouring bills (whose arcane manguage they know well how to translate) for issues of importance to the nation and to the Congressperson’s constituents. Someone who does not know that bills go through many revisions, and the revisions are presented both with the bill and separately for review. Someone who does not know that a 2000 page bill is still largely an exercise in changing pevious statute language (again, a tedious task of comparison which staff should be doing).
Congressmen are expensive and rare, and need to be doing the most high-value tasks they can perform at any one time. Do you want your doctor treating you for your condition or sitting on the phone asking about changes in insurance requirements? Do you want your lawyer arguing your case or typing a list of items in a property settlement? Would ou want your best software developer architecting a product and coding high-quality infrastructure or on the phone ordering keyboards?
How about tort reform? How many medical procedures are ordered/performed just to cover the ass of the doctor/hospital should they be sued.
If obama is making a valid point about health insurance companies not denying services because of a preexisting condition, wouldn’t that make sense for all types of insurance? For example, instead of buying car insurance before you have an accident, wait until you get in an accident (pre-existing condition) to buy it. Or maybe wait until you have a terminal disease/condition before buying life insurance.
Once the government gets into free government healthcare, insurance companies won’t be able to compete. Insurance companies have to make a profit to be solvent, the government has access to others’ money (taxes).
Considering that the national debt is at an all-time high, does it make financial sense to take on even more debt?
Instead of changing a system that needs improving, fix the system.
Can’t the democrats come up with any ideas how to fix the healthcare system without taking it over?
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But to your credit–you can go back to L. Brent Bozell and say that you did your job distributing his out-of-context video clip. Your earned that check today.
Read about Marvin’s favorite source for right-wing hackery, CNS News.
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You guys had eight years to try that (or thirty, depending on how you measure). Now it’s our turn, so STFU.
I’ve especially loved “tort reform.” There’s nothing that so warms the heart of a Republican than an injured child who is forbidden by statute from suing to obain relief for an injury caused by another.
Idiot Stamn says:
wow – you are incredibly stupid and you demonstrate it with each post.
Do you not understand the problem with health care as it currently is constituted?
Example: You have a condition that needs treatment – you lose your job and your health care. Unless you can pay exhorbitant fees for COBRA while unemployed – you are screwed. You have a pre-existing condition, cannot be covered and may be forced to lose your house and declare bankruptcy.
Health care costs are the number 1 cause of bankruptcies in this country.
Idiots like Stamn are so damn stupid they try to compare health care to save lives to car insurance for vehicles. Car insurance is to help pay for your car if it is damaged or if you damage something else.
Health care insurance is to help pay for your health, your life. What kind of car insurance won’t cover you if your brakes went out two years ago once…..none.
Thanks for being a fool.
Considering that the national debt is at an all-time high, does it make financial sense to take on even more debt?
You didn’t say that in July 2008.
30 years thanks to jimmy carter.
Can you see the comparisons between carter and obama?
But do “The People” want Obama-style health care reform? Yes, they do!
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You mean very popular innovators who changed the way our government works for the better? Yes, I do.
You do know that up until three months before the 1980 election Carter was handily beating Reagan in the polls, right? Absent the Iranian hostages, your boy is a footnote.
BTW, the Democratic caucus apparently held a five-hour meeting last night — that’s not a typo — to go over every section of their health care bill with every Democratic member of the House.
Where were the Republicans, whose caucus could have been going over the bill with them? I think they were too busy fucking their interns and pages. C Street was rockin’, baby!
What kind of insurance, the kind you buy after the brakes went out.
Why doesn’t car/house insurance cover upkeep like health insurance. The more the insurance has to cover, the higher the cost.
For those young & healthy, why not have insurance options that only covers emergencies. And like I wrote the other day, have a pick and choose system so single males can opt out of ob/gyn services.
And what about obese people. No one disagrees that they have added a huge increase in the cost of healthcare. Should obese (those without a condition that adds weight, ie:steroids, etc) pay more since they use more? The use more pay more system applies to most taxes. Use more gas pay more gas taxes, earn more money pay more income tax, buy more pay more sales tax.
What should the government do about rising rate of obese people and the costs they add. Food police? As the obese baby-boomers age, their healthcare is going to increase and the people that make smart life choices will be forced to pay for those that don’t.
But you did.
And now it’s not a concern.
Why the flip-flop?
What a weiner.
Right. Of course only republicans have affairs.
Using your logic, only democrats plead guilty to conspiracy to commit bribery.
Isn’t this the wife of the man that wants to investigate bush? Ironic that he didn’t even know his wife was on the take for the small amount of $6,000. That’s like having an affair with a fat ugly chick.
Imagine the outrage if laura bush was caught up in something like this. Democrats like you would be asking, “What did president bush know and when did he know it.” Thankfully for conyers, the democrats aren’t holding him to the same high standard they would have held prez bush.
Did you notice that I just linked to a socialist website to make my point, in #13 you linked to dailypus.
Excellent debating skills.
You put me in my place.
Guess Stamn did not listen to the video – health care reform will save us money. We already spend more than any other country in the world and get lousy health care…but Stamn doesn’t pay attention to actual facts.
The facts are that our system stinks, period. We need at least a public option. If the private insurers that Stamn loves are so great – why are they scared of public competition.
We need universal coverage. Health young people should not be able to opt out – health care coverage would be too expensive for everyone else then – does Stamn not understand the basis of actuarial science?
We need to require employers to pay for helth care – otherwise they will scam the system and those curently paying will be at a competitive disadvantage.
In the long run, this will cut costs and help our businesses be more competitive.
Stamn says:
wow, you really are stupid .
I would love debating a moron like you, ‘cept there is no debate. You just keep saying/writing idiotic things.
People are not like cars – guess you don’t get that. But even cars can have their brakes fixed. After the brakes are fixed – can you insure the car? Sure. Can you insure the person? No.
A preexisting condition (such as a cancer that has been in remission for over 2 years) still cannot be covered.
What kind of health care is that? People with any kind of risk are excluded and left to go bankrupt on their own.
Thanks for supporting and unsupportable system. It is the the republican naysayers like you that opposed Medicare, that opposed renewing the civil rights act but that supported wasting a trillion dollars on an unnecessary war in Iraq.
A trillion for health care (and more than that in savings/revenue) for a tax on the super rich…yeah, we can see where your warped priorities are.
Keep resading those simple minded rightwingnut news outlets..they are just your speed. News for dolts who can’t think on their own.
How does the non-partisan CBO feel about that claim?
Two weeks ago, the Congressional Budget Office found that neither the bill produced in the House nor the one written by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee — Ted Kennedy’s panel — would yield savings in the long run. On the contrary, Democrats on Capitol Hill are having a hard time coming up with ways to keep reform from raising the cost of health care over the next decade. This has given lots of ammunition to both Republican and fiscally conservative Democratic critics
Is your health care lousy?
There is no competition when the government is involved. A private company has to make a profit to stay open. The government program can operate at a loss and simply increase taxes to cover the loss.
Kinda like how the social security program needs young workers to pay for retirees. Was that how the program was designed, to be run similar to a ponzi scheme?
The debate is not over if the system needs improving.
The debate is should the government be in charge of your/mine healthcare choices.
You trust the government, except when a republican is in charge. I don’t trust the government period.
We need three or four times as many doctors as we have now: there’s no competition between those guys and gals. When was the last time you saw a TV commercial for “1-800-Doctors?” How many commercials have you seen for lawyers and dentists begging for business? If the government wants to lower health care costs, finance the educations of doctors and tell the medical schools to crank ’em out!
Oh yeah, we need a loser-pay tort system to discourage the trial lawyers.
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So you’d rather have a for-profit insurance company whose prfit incentives are all aimed at maximizing premiums while minimizing payouts (that is, paying for treatment) in charge of your healthcare choices. Price is rationing. Insurance is rationing.
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Oh, Marvin, don’t put words in my mouth. The Democrats wrre working to understand the bil. The Republicans caomlained about it and went somewhere else instead of working.
Hey, maybe they were all out getting drunk, snorting meth and baging gay hookers, I don’t know. But it seems an awful lot of The Family are fucking someone other than their spouses out there ons C Street, so I am just saying where the smart money lies.
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There is no competition when the government is involved.
You are wrong, buffalo breath. There are many places around the world where private and public plans easily coexist. In fact, Medicare is one of them.
Why don’t we hear a complaint about the monpoly that most health incurers have in their markets? Competition may be good, but it’s not what we have. Which is why we need to government to INTRODUCE competition.
Teddy kennedy?
David W. Decker?
Barney frank and that prostitution business run out of his house?
Good thing I filled you in then. No need to thank me.
“Price is rationing. Insurance is rationing.”
Yep, that’s right: price is a rationing mechanism, and insurance is organized price control. Answer me this: why do we need the insurance principal to have a health care “system?”
Answer: Because doctors want too much money for their services. Crank out more doctors, and you get more competition among doctors. More competition means lower prices. Maybe we can actually get rid of using the insurance principal to pay for health care costs.
BTW, that’s called “risk retention” in the insurance world.
We still need to reform the tort laws o prevent frivolous lawsuits.
The government is not designed to be cost effective nor efficient.
Here are 2 public works projects.
Compare the Big Dig-
Tunnel project is five years behind schedule, billions over budget
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the project has ballooned from $2.6 billion to $14.6 billion
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The project never would have won the support of federal or state officials — or the public — if the true cost had been known in advance, said David Luberoff, co-author of “Mega-Projects,” which looks at the politics of projects like the Big Dig.
compared to the repair of the 10 freeway after the northridge earthquake.
Caltrans, the California agency responsible for overseeing the freeway reconstruction, set up a bidding procedure whereby pre-qualified, experienced highway contractors were invited to bid on each of four bridge rebuilding projects.
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Potential bidders were informed that if their work was completed after the established due date, they would be penalized, and if the work was completed prior to the due date, they would receive bonuses.14 The penalty/bonus incentive for the Santa Monica was set at $200,000 per day.
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As we shall see, Myers broke all expectations by completing the work in 66 days, 74 days ahead of schedule and reaping a bonus of $14.5 million rather than the expected $8 million. The Santa Monica rebuild cost almost $30 million rather than $20, but it was completed in 66 days rather than 100 days. The governor’s office had calculated that closure of the Santa Monica was costing the Los Angeles economy $1 million per day in lost wages, business revenues, and increased transportation costs.19 Thus, while the speediness of completion cost $10 million more, it may have saved the Los Angeles economy as much as $34 million (100 days minus 66 days at $1 million per day).
$$ was the incentive to finish the project on budget and on time. Incentive that government employees don’t have.
Just imagine if the big dig had the same requirements ($200,000 per day penalty) that a private company had. That would be another $133,225,000,000.00 of tax dollars being spent.
Michael Savage-Weiner? I agree.
31 – You just undermined your own argument. You keep saying government can’t do anything right yet it brings transportation projects in under budget in CA and here in WA.
Right wingers think there’s no WAR project the government can’t do except for ones that Dems enter into like Bosnia where there were no U.S. casualties to speak of.
It’s a myth that the private sector doesn’t waste other people’s money. Wall Street burned through billions of it on paper trading schemes that made a few rich, threw off not too many jobs, boosted the economy only modestly through enabling debt fueled consumption and then crashed it when the scam couldn’t be sustained.
Diddled Luvr farted:
Yep, and Senator Obama complained of rushing budgets that are a foot high through congress when Bush was president.
Yep Diddled Luvr and of course NutsTooTight are made out to be the fools they are again by “the messiah”.
And of course the bill is still secret right you two fools?
The information is out there. The foolish duo of Diddled Luvr and NutsTooTight have problems finding it.
To do it right, they went to the private sector.
After the earthquake, why didn’t the government send a bunch of government workers to fix the freeway? They built it in the first place. What was it about the urgency that they felt the need to go private.
And there’s no problem in life the democrats don’t feel can’t be solved by raising taxes on the rich.
No myth, it’s a fact they do.
Do you approve of the practices of wal-mart? If not, I hope you exercise your freedom to choose to not put a penny of your money into their pocket.
When companies do thinigs wrong or inefficiently, now more than ever they have to pay the price. Walk-mart isn’t getting your money because of the way they do business.
“In CBO’s judgment, the probability is high that no savings would be realized … but there is also a chance that substantial savings might be realized.”
Hmmm… now who runs congress again?
clueless wondermoron shops at WalMart? No butt maybe mrs clueless wondermoron? She likes saving money since clueless wondermoron doesn’t work!
NutsTooTight barfed:
Okay let’s say so. How many people are uninsured again NutsTooTight? Remember you gotta use “the messiah’s” uninsured numbers not some website you found becuz “the messiah” is always right fool! Then what are the illegals and covered by medicare and don’t buy insurance on purpose values again NutsTooTight?
I have kids. I don’t want to pass off my generation’s mistakes to them. So I believe in fiscal responsibility. Now where are you going to get the money to pay off the mistakes of the last thirty or so years? And the last eight years were REALLY bad.
Not the middle class. They haven’t had an inflation-adjusted increase in wages during that time.
No you go to the folks who benefited the most from the MISTAKES of the last 30 years. In an earlier era, that’s where FDR went to fix the problems started by Harding, Coolidge and Hoover.
That was FDR’s class by the way. And FDR said he welcomed their hate because he knew them, he knew their attitudes and their contempt for those they sucked profits from.
Have you ever seen those Zo videos. It’s almost as entertaining reading the youtube comments from those tolerant liberals. I pray that some are right-wingers impersonating liberals to make them look worse than they are.
Why would they do that? You keep saying they always screw it up (except for recreational wars in Iraq of course).
Why would they do this right?
Of course you’re full of shit because the government has ALWAYS had the private sector bid on big projects like freeways, dams, bridges, etc.
I guess next you’re going to argue to send private armies to the next recreational war because soldiers, sailor, airmen and marines are government workers. I bet you think outfits like blackwater do a better job for less money. Yeah right if you consider shoot first ask questions later a good job.
Good democrats like ylb wouldn’t even be seen in the parking lot.
I was just pointing out to him that he can be pro-choice and not give the money his wife earns to companies with ethics/practices/products he doesn’t like.
There is no pro-choice when it comes to government programs. Don’t pay and the government will take by force. Pay or else.
Nope
I do. Our family has never shopped there and will not until they treat their workers as fairly as say Costco does. And it would be nice if the Walton family stopped handing out largess to right wing stink tanks like EFF – who employs the execrable Pooper.
YLB–
I have met several retirees who love working at Wal-Mart. Love it.
They get Health Insurance pre-Medicare.
They just got bonus checks.
You KLOWNS sure get all wound up about RETAIL EMPLOYERS. Most consumers want the lowest price. Wal-Mart consistently delivers.
Would you pay 30% more for the identical HDTV??
Take a look at the CostCo & Wal-Mart prices on the new 40″ Sony 120 hz and 1080p..
PS–
In our area, the head of the produce dept. is a 24 year-old who started at Wal-Mart while in High School. Last year, he made over $60k.
Most locally owned retailers pay Minimum Wage with ZERO benefits.
Stay in your Daily KOS denial world YLB.
Do you know what Zuchini is??
@31 “$$ was the incentive to finish the project on budget and on time. Incentive that government employees don’t have.”
As usual, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Both projects were public works projects, publicly bid, and constructed by private contractors.
From your second link:
“President Bill Clinton refused to suspend the Davis-Bacon Act in 1994, yet the Los Angeles highways were rebuilt at lightning speed. In particular, the Santa Monica Freeway was rebuilt in only 66 days, less than half the time stipulated by the state of California. The need to rebuild quickly is no excuse for suspending the Davis-Bacon Act or affirmative action requirements, as President Bush has done. On the contrary, the Davis-Bacon Act raises the skills of workers in the construction industry, which shortens the time required to complete large and urgent projects such as the re-building after the Northridge earthquake and the most recent Gulf Coast hurricanes.”
And this little gem:
“Conservative critics said taxpayers could have saved 10% to 20% of the cost of the Santa Monica reconstruction if Davis-Bacon had not regulated wage payments on that job. Relying on previously published peer-reviewed academic journal articles by this author and others, we have argued that there is no sound statistical basis for the argument that Davis-Bacon wage rates raise construction costs.”
And this:
“Higher pay scales attract workers with more skills that justify their higher pay. In the case of the Northridge earthquake, there were two benefits from hiring more skilled workers within the Davis-Bacon rules. First, their higher productivity per hour largely offsets any difference in labor cost per hour. Second, they can finish the rebuilding more quickly.”
Oh, and this:
“Congress also did its part. The quake occurred on January 17, and by February 11, Congress had authorized $9 billion in federal aid, about half of which went to disaster relief through the Federal Emergency Management Agency.”
That was a Democratic Party controlled congress, by the way. Glad to see that you support Clinton, Democrats and unions.
That’s the difference between the private sector and the government.
YOU made the choice.
BTW… I glad you don’t. I like it when people do more than talk and take action. I don’t agree with you, but that’s my choice. Isn’t america great when we have choice.
Cynical & Marvin,
Puddy placed this on HA before. Puddy knows clueless wondermoron has this Puddyism archived. Gotta suck to be in his shoes when he could have gotten a bonus of at least $667 in Feb 2009.
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44 – Retirees working at Wal-Mart? Not much of a retirement.
But I’m happy they love it. Keepin’ busy. Apparently management realizes that they’re not so able-bodied so they can’t tell them to ‘git ‘er done past their their shift hours without pay – a common Wal-mart practice.
So the poor retirees will just have to settle for making barely more than the minimum wage. And bonus checks? How nice! I’m sure their co-workers who ‘git ‘er done without being compensated appreciate that. A nice form of reverse age discrimination Wal-mart style!
And that 24 year old. How I appreciate the exuberance of youth. How many hours does he work each week for that 60k? 50? 60? 70? 80? More during the Holiday season?
When Wal-mart treats their workers like Costco treats theirs I’ll shop there.
Got it growing in my garden, along with roma tomato, green beans, crookneck squash, tomatillos, rosemary, sage, basil, italian parsely, a gaggle of hot peppers…
And your point?
$667
Wow! That might cover a months rent for a two room hat hanger in Yakima!
And to think that huffingtonpost doesn’t pay its bloggers.
I doubt that goldy pays lee, jon and the rest of his clan. Even I believe if goldy was making the millions and millions arianna does he would “spread the wealth.” Not fairly, but he would give them his CHANGE.
If you’re driving at the health plans being discussed in Congress, no one’s trying to put the health insurers out of business.
Some in Congress are trying to introduce competition.
Right now the greed crowd peeks at each others prices and raises them at the same time. If any one is lower than the other it’s only because they actively drop people who have the temerity to get sick or keep those with a condition out.
If there’s true competition no one but the health insurers will be at fault if they put shoddy products out onto the marketplace.
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SO when government puts the right incentives in place, and protects taxpayers from bad faith on the part of contractors by punishing violators, then good things can happen.
On the other hand, look at the “fly pallets of cash to hand out without records” in Iraq, then see what go done (whatever is still standing) to see what Republican governance can do.
Hey, who was governor of Calfornia after the Norhridge quake?
– Dori Monsoon, today, dammit.
Dori’s catch of the day … like a virgin.