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– I don’t want to sound like an alarmist here but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah mice.

– Matchar is correct, in that way. Some of the MRM’s views are reflected more widely across society, which is why we don’t need them for this discussion. They are superfluous and should be left in their corner. We have real work to do.

– I’m just going to put this out there: don’t send threatening emails to school staff

– The world on the other side of their fence is vast and free and beautiful.

– Marthe Gautier, another woman scientist trivialized

– Hillary Clinton was in Cascadia, but no media.

– Something something Ukraine.

– Something something The Oscars.

Comments

  2. 2

    @1 Capitalists would be in big trouble if workers stopped believing their work ethic fraud.

  3. 3

    It’s time our schools teach kids the truth: In America, you get ahead by owning capital, not by working hard. Spending doesn’t make you rich, it makes you poor. Investing makes you rich. Spending is the enemy of investing and wealth accumulation.

  4. 4

    Okay, so here’s the deal that capitalism is offering you. You commute 40 miles a day (because you can’t afford the rents closer to your job), paying $4 for gas, and you won’t know how many hours of work you’ll get until you’re there. You work varying shifts, rotating shifts, night shifts, weekend shifts. There are no medical or pension benefits. You pay for your own uniforms and tools. Oh, and the capitalists think you’re overpaid at $7.25 an hour, and argue there shouldn’t be any minimum wage laws at all. All of this so they can live like kings while people like you do all of the work and pay all of the taxes.

    And they expect you to have a “work ethic”?

  6. 6

    @3. Yes but, you have to know what the right investment is. If you invest in the wrong things, you may be screwed. The best tactic is to be born into a rich family. Now THAT is the easy way to make money.

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    @4. Not for very long. Look at what dynamo that conservative and libertarian paradise Somalia is.
    Best I can tell, capitalists just assume they will be dead or left the country by the time it gets that bad. Either way, not their problem.

  8. 8

    I had a facebook conversation with someone about income inequality. He was a doctor who claimed he paid too much in taxes for what he got back in benefits and that he didn’t use any of the commons to earn or keep his wealth.

    At the end, as I thought I punched holes in all his arguments, he called me the worst thing he could think of, he said I was a socialist and stopped talking to me.

  9. 9

    His argument was “Any services I may use more of, are in my local area, and that is accounted in my property taxes.”

    My question to him was…
    As a doctor, do you avoid all freeways? Do you avoid the court system? Do you put your money in banks or stock markets that do not have any government regulations and monitoring? Do you avoid all advice and education from the Center for Disease Control or the Federal Drug Administration?
    Do you make sure none of your income comes from Medicare or Medicare or the VA? Did the patients that come you also avoid using any of the commons to reach you and that none of your patients work directly or indirectly for the federal government?
    Did your receptionist and nurse and janitor service also avoid all these things?

    He did not answer.

  10. 10

    Meanwhile…

    Recently HA’s self-loathing jewish moron OWS Racist Fraggy claimed conservatives were in love with Putin; comparing his “powerful” shadow to Obummer’s weak shadow. Well here’s a libtard writer who EXPLODES another of OWS Racist Fraggy’s stooooooooooooopid rants. The libtard author doesn’t lke how libtard MSM has painted his “bud” Putin!

    Well all of it’s rants are very stooooooooooooooooopid! OWS Racist Fraggy is so sad a DUMMOCRETIN!

  11. 11

    Using two sentences and the headline of the article. Not bad at all!

    Libtards run to the WA Post to excoriate conservatives as necessary but run far away when they begin to realize Obummer is a real lightweight with foreign policy…

    President Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy

    Puddy been voicing that forever…

    FOR FIVE YEARS, President Obama has led a foreign policy based more on how he thinks the world should operate than on reality.

    Really WA Post? You been his biggest cheerleader! The winner was

    Secretary of State John F. Kerry displayed this mindset on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday when he said, of Russia’s invasion of neighboring Ukraine, “It’s a 19th century act in the 21st century.”

    These are the libtards y’all cheered in 2012. Now we’re realizing the whirlwind of nothingness!

  12. 12

    Meanwhile Marco Rubio delivers another perfect review of the situation!

    First, President Obama should speak unequivocally and call this what it is: a military invasion. The Obama administration must publicly acknowledge that its “reset” with Russia is dead. The president must now accept that the only way to deal with tyrants like Vladimir Putin is with a clear understanding that they can’t be trusted and that only decisive action will deter their provocative moves.

    That would force Obummer to admit a mistake. Obummer never admits mistakes no matter how glaring they are. He’s study the situation just like he’s still studying that red line “ultimatum” he gave Syria!

    These are the libtards y’all cheered in 2012. Now we’re realizing the whirlwind of nothingness!

  13. 13

    Meanwhile Charles Krauthammer NAILS IT AGAIN! These are the libtards y’all cheered in 2012. Now we’re realizing the whirlwind of nothingness!

  14. 14

    Libtards run to the WA Post to excoriate conservatives as necessary

    From the same editorial.

    “The model for Mr. Putin’s occupation of Crimea was his incursion into Georgia in 2008, when George W. Bush was president. Mr. Putin paid no price for that action; in fact, with parts of Georgia still under Russia’s control, he was permitted to host a Winter Olympics just around the corner…

    So let’s stipulate: We don’t want U.S. troops in Syria, and we don’t want U.S. troops in Crimea. A great power can become overextended, and if its economy falters, so will its ability to lead. None of this is simple.”

    Thank you troll!

  16. 16

    schmucko-lunatic walked right into that…

    when George W. Bush was president. Mr. Putin paid no price for that action

    1) GW Bush was constrained by Pelosi and Reid in any actions he could perform
    2) GW Bush was in his final year of his presidency
    3) GW Bush had to deal with the economy which turned south when DUMMOCRETINS retook the House and Senate!
    4) Cheney wanted to do something but remember… this is what y’all thought of Bush
    5) schmucko-lunatic got his walking orders from Daily Kooks as always!

    Man you are really stooooooooooooopid schmucko-lunatic

  17. 17

    schmucko-lunatic highlighted…

    “None of this is simple.”

    Yet you never thought this during the Bush years schmucko-lunatic!

    Now why is that? Because Markos Moulitsas Zúniga didn’t approve those thoughts!

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    Remember this bozo?

    Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from Alaska

    Nope you moron Tina Fey said it!

    Mr. Romney has also called into question Mr. Obama’s policy to Russia. Republicans have said the administration has been naïve with Moscow, and granted too many concessions.

    And we see Mitt Romney was very correct in 2012!

    These are the libtards y’all cheered in 2012. Now we’re realizing the whirlwind of nothingness!

  20. 20

    The Surge in Iraq decision was made in 2006 schmucko-lunatic… You can Google it!

    Sux to be you!

  23. 23

    Ahhh yes the bikini graph… Started after Libtards got control of the purse strings…

    Weep on DUMMOCRETIN!

    Notice how feckless the simpleton argument from schmucko-lunatic is?

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    Wrong again schmucko-lunatic

    On December 6, 2006 the Iraq Study Group presented their report! Then this was missed by schmucko-lunatic…

    Just before the 110th Congress convened on January 4 some Democrats said they planned to call Defense Secretary Robert Gates before the Senate Armed Services Committee “to explain, if not try to defend, the president’s plan”

    So the DECISION was made in 2006!

    Really sux to be you!

  26. 26

    Golden moment…

    Sarah Palin says Russia and Ukraine will be a problem with Obummer! DUMMOCRETINS go nutz. Well she was right!

    Mitt Romney says Russia will be a problem in the future. DUMMOCRETINS go nutz. Well he’s right.

    Nuthing offered from Daily Kooks will change these facts schmucko-lunatic!

    Really sux to be you!

  27. 27

    And I’d wager you supported the simplistic notion that oil from Iraq would pay for the invasion?

    Ummm nope. Ask the crazed database cretin to search his DB when it comes back later this year!

  29. 29

    Seems the only thing in schmucko-lunatic’s debate quiver is air!

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    Troll – that bikini graph also illustrates something pretty obvious.

    Policies made by Democrats work – even with one hand tied by Republicans:

    http://www.latimes.com/busines.....9837.story

    If we had had a President McCain or Romney, GM would have been allowed to collapse under bankruptcy and extreme poverty would be the new normal – way worse than today. Can’t be helped you idiots would crow – can’t raise taxes on the super rich!

  33. 33

    Lies schmucko-lunatic?

    Let’s review…
    Puddy – So the DECISION was made in 2006!

    schmucko-lunatic – So? – Not your claim in post #18 or #22. So who lied? schmucko-lunatic of course… Didn’t read the whole wiki article. Just used the left wrong’s site title! Not the first time schmucko-lunatic caught by Puddy either.

    Thanks for playing schmucko-lunatic.

    Sux to be you!

    More stooooooooooooopidity by schmucko-lunatic…

    Right wingers would claim that Democrats weren’t supporting the troops..

    Well… look at the military cuts just announced by Obummer’s gang. Puddy got friends in the military. Not happy with the Commissary cuts. Not happy with other benefit cuts.

    Can’t cut social programs becuz the more peeps on food stamps the more they vote DUMMOCRETIN! Yet, we see the economic destruction performed by Obummer’s gang. Worst labor participation rate since 1977. Libtards admit this because the Labor Dept produced the numbas so they can’t lie for Obummer!

  34. 34

    If we had had a President McCain or Romney, GM would have been allowed to collapse under bankruptcy and extreme poverty would be the new normal – way worse than today.

    schmucko-lunatic speculation. As Puddy wrote above… all you have is an empty quiver!

  35. 35

    To try to pay for Bush’s tax cuts for the rich, and the freeloading corporations, and new Medicare entitlement and his wars..

    Puddy documented from left wrong sites rich Wall Street’s love of Obummer. Can’t pin the tail on GW Bush anymore schmucko-lunatic! Medicare entitlement? That was Ted Kennedy’s baby you idiot!

    Wars? Well we see how Obummer has allowed Iraq to fester with Al Qaeda with his “pull-out”. We see how Obummer’s red line in Syria was bellicose hot air!

    Nuff said sucka! Your ilk voted for this foreign policy nightmare. Finally the WA Post agrees!

    Sux to be you schmucko-lunatic!

  36. 36

    @ 32 ER

    That line is the only rail corridor through the peninsula to San Francisco. There are two major freight transits along that line each direction every night. It isn’t just the commuter rail. If they were to electrify those freighters as well it would quiet things down quite a bit. As it is, those freighters barrel through that line at 80 mph at around 11 pm and then every hour and a half or so until about 4 in the morning.

    I used to ride that line pretty regularly when I was a kid. Six bucks got me a round trip from Palo Alto to San Francisco.

  38. 38

    The troll has been busy deflecting and making lame arguments. Let’s cut through the bullshit offered up by this troll purveyor of right wing lies. Let’s go back to the beginning:

    1) GW Bush was constrained by Pelosi and Reid in any actions he could perform

    Conservatives crowed that the Iraqi surge was a success. The troll has shown no evidence that Pelosi/Reid constrained in any way the surge or anything else Bush wanted to do in National Security. Conservatives also said the Congress elected in 2006 was a “blue dog” Congress. Were “blue dog” Democrats going tie Bush’s hands on his military adventures? Of course not! That’d been a political loser for 2008.

    2) GW Bush was in his final year of his presidency

    I guess poor Bush’s blood was too tired dealing with Blue Dog Democrats to do anything about Georgia that conservatives fantasize that Obama should be doing in the present time in the Ukraine.

    3) GW Bush had to deal with the economy which turned south when DUMMOCRETINS retook the House and Senate!

    Oh I remember what Bush did about the faltering economy.. Worked great didn’t it? By the time the Russians and Georgians were fighting each other in August 2008 – poor Bush was all tired out and looking forward to retiring to his ranch – oh wait – that was a fake ranch for the cameras just like Reagan’s ranch!

    The troll also does nothing to prove that Democrats in Congres had ANYTHING to do with the slowing economy in 2007 beyond confusing correlation with causation – a schoolboy debating error.

    4) Cheney wanted to do something but remember… this is what y’all thought of Bush

    Indeed Cheney was a shoot first, ask questions later type of warmongerer. I remember Condolezza Rice was in lockstep with Cheney all the way on that! Or maybe my memory is not good on that! Whose advice did Bush take on that? Someone help me out.

    5) schmucko-lunatic got his walking orders from Daily Kooks as always!

    I see the troll did not address the point I made about Markos Moulitsas. He’d have to admit that his favored right wing pollsters were beaten into the ground in 2008 by some liberal who runs a blog.

    As usual these braindead bullet points are just a smoke screen spewed from a troll’s tailpipe! The most totally lame and discredited excuses for the non-actions of Bush in response to Russian invasion of Georgia that anyone can hope to see.

  39. 39

    Let’s see what else?

    Medicare entitlement? That was Ted Kennedy’s baby

    Wow troll! Bush was so passionate about Ted Kennedy’s plan Bush’s own people were motivated to lie to Congress about it! You’re making a lot of (non)sense!

    Can’t cut social programs becuz the more peeps on food stamps the more they vote DUMMOCRETIN!

    Sorry troll. These food stamp recipients voted for Romney in 2012..t How ungrateful were some of the other politicians they voted for – even as they voted for more subsidies for themselves.

    Well we see how Obummer has allowed Iraq to fester with Al Qaeda with his “pull-out”.

    Silly troll. Bush fumbled the ball on that one!

    On July 8, 2008, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani rejected the proposed agreement on the basis that it violates Iraqi sovereignty, following a meeting with Iraq National Security Advisor Mowaffak al-Rubaie.[21] Rubaie, clarifying remarks by Maliki on July 7 that Iraq would accept a memorandum of understanding in lieu of a SOFA, stated “We will not accept any memorandum of understanding if it does not give a specific date for a complete withdrawal of foreign troops”.[22] Deputy speaker Khaled al-Attiyah also said on July 8 that the Iraqi parliament would insist on vetting any agreement with the United States and would likely veto the agreement if American troops were immune from Iraqi law: “Without doubt, if the two sides reach an agreement, this is between two countries, and according to the Iraqi constitution a national agreement must be agreed by parliament by a majority of two thirds”.[23]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

    The Iraqis, at each throats all the time were UNITED on one thing: they wanted the Americans out! And they got what they wanted! They hated Bush and all the death and mayhem he brought to their country!

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    Gee schmucko-lunatic… Bush implemented sanctions when Putin invaded Goergia…

    1) Obummer reset and trashed those sanctions as soon as he became preznit
    2) Obummer told Poland and Czech Republic they won’t get a missile defense shield because Putin cried about it. Bush ignored Putin and was going to install it.

    Sheesh schmucko-lunatic you are stooooooooooooopid!

  45. 45

    Well they can blame that Republican Chuck Hagel for implementing what Donald Rumsfeld always wanted to do!

    Donald Rumsfeld? Aug. 8, 2001? Before 9/11 and this is your comparison?

    Sheeesh schmucko-lunatic you are stooooooooooooopid as ever!

  46. 46

    What happened to the Surge discussion schmucko-lunatic?

    The only lame arguments are from your feckless mind after work cleaning those test tubes!

  47. 47

    You offer Guiliani, you self-loathing anti-Semitic Jew and black hating racist OWS Fraggy?

    Giuliani was comparing Putin who is decisive vs. Obummer who twiddles his thumbs. Remember you moron the Syria red line? Well we see they crossed the line and then Obummer backs down to a two-bit tin horn dictator because Russia told Obummer don’t go in there!

    PMSNBC a bunch of idiot watched by a bunch of bigger idiots!

  48. 48

    Bush fumbled the ball on that one!

    Ummm no you idiot! Bush didn’t blink… Obummer blinked. Obummer pulled the troops out. Now Iraq wants help again because Obummer was so quick to remove the troops. Now Iraq is worse off under Obummer.

    Whatanidiot this schmucko-lunatic is! Witness his Surge discussion above!

  49. 49

    Direct from your hero Ezra Klein…

    Whatever you think of the process that resulted in the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit, the bill today is settled, and even popular, law. The abuses that ushered it into existence are mostly forgotten. Democrats spoke of its repeal in the months after its passage but are now strengthening it in the health-care reform bill

    Sux to be you schmucko-lunatic.

    You can find it. He wrote how great Obummer’s Obummercare will be!

  50. 50

    This was news for the Friday Night Comix… Duh Persessa chose to ignore the real news for that bullshit spin last Friday!

    Democrats in the U.S. Senate won’t bother passing their own budget this year, arguing that a deal in December has already set spending levels for the 2015 fiscal year and “relitigating” it would create economic uncertainty.

    What a joke Patty Murray is! Puddy guesses the constitution has no meaning to DUMMOCRETINS!

  51. 51

    This is what you HA DUMMOCRETINS voted for!

    The large budget deficits recorded in recent years have substantially increased federal debt, and the amount of debt relative to the size of the economy is now very high by historical standards. CBO estimates that federal debt held by the public will equal 74 percent of GDP at the end of this year and 79 percent in 2024 (the end of the current 10-year projection period). Such large and growing federal debt could have serious negative consequences, including restraining economic growth in the long term, giving policymakers less flexibility to respond to unexpected challenges, and eventually increasing the risk of a fiscal crisis (in which investors would demand high interest rates to buy the government’s debt).

    Thanks Obummer!

  53. 53

    Remember the 3rd debate in 2012 when Obummer mocked Romney and the libtard media attacked Romney when Romney claimed Russia was a problem?

    Well the video doesn’t lie!

  54. 54

    Bush implemented sanctions when Putin invaded Goergia…

    Oh is that all? Why did the invasion happen in the first place troll? Where was the “deterrent” against Russian aggression?

    Just another right wing fantasy idiot!

    Obama might be implementing sanctions too. Just like he did with Iran. What did this Israeli say about that?

    In an interview with Israel Radio, Halevy called Obama’s policy “brave” and said sanctions against Iran were a “success” because they have caused a severe economic crisis.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/di.....e-1.471592

    Seems like Obama might know what he’s doing when it comes to sanctions unlike Bush.. Remember this from Bush?

    “The more I get to know President Putin” he said, “the more I get to see his heart and soul …the more I know we can work together in a positive way.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1659048.stm

    And Condoleeza Rice?

    “PUNISH France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia”

    http://www.economist.com/node/2035564

    Wow that policy paid off in spades in 2008!

    Troll, your favorite occupier of the White House, Bush, was a pathetic failure by your standards!

  55. 55

    “After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”

    Sarah Palin was right!

  56. 56

    Donald Rumsfeld? Aug. 8, 2001? Before 9/11 and this is your comparison?

    LOL! What does Max Boot (no left winger that one!) say about Rumsfeld post 9/11 troll?

    He did approve small, temporary increases in army end-strength, which brought the active duty force from 477,862 when he took office to 502,466 when he left office.

    But he did so grudgingly and only when it was obvious that the army was horribly overstretched by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even so, he never came close to undoing the post-Cold War downsizing that cost the army a third of its end-strength. (The active-duty Army was 710,821 strong in 1991.)

    And he constantly stressed the need to keep the army as small as possible. For instance on Aug. 6, 2001, the Chicago Tribune reported, “Despite growing strains on the U.S. military, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld insisted Tuesday that the Pentagon needs to exhaust every alternative before asking Congress to increase the size of the active-duty force.”

    Damn you’re such a freaking idiot!

  57. 57

    The abuses that ushered it into existence are mostly forgotten. Democrats spoke of its repeal in the months after its passage but are now strengthening it in the health-care reform bill

    LOL! You are too stupid troll.. Additional social insurance benefits, when they are truly needed, are always welcome..

    Why lie about the need to pay for them? Why freak out about deficits when Republicans do everything in their power to not pay for programs they voted for?

    Another silly canard from this pathetic troll.

  59. 59

    Bush didn’t blink…

    He sure did stupid. What about this don’t you understand?

    The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: “Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq”) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

    Any misstatement of fact there troll?

    NEXT!

  60. 60

    Where’s your evidence that Pelosi/Reid “constrained” the surge?

    Who claimed Puddy said anything about Pelosi/Reid on the surge? Only you in post #18!

    You did feckless moron. Puddy brought that up over the Georgia situation. Bush implemented sanctions. Obummer stopped them before they had a chance to work! Then killed a missile defense for Poland and Czech Republic because Putin cried fowl!

    Weakness… a community organizer trait! Weakness… you standard proffered argument!

    Feckless idiot! Really sux to be you!

  63. 63

    The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement

    Man you are an idiot… Iraq wanted to try American soldiers and BUSH said NO!

    Bush didn’t blink! Obummer did. He went to Europe and apologized. He went to Egypt and apologized.

  64. 64

    From Max Boot Rumsfeld link entered from schmucko-lunatic…

    For instance on Aug. 6, 2001

    Hmm… before 9/11. Proves schmucko-lunatic doesn’t really read his proffered links!

    Perhaps I was overstating the case a bit when I wrote that Rumsfeld was actually “planning” to cut army end-strength. It might have been more accurate to say he was “seriously considering” cuts.

    Skipped right over that one eh schmucko-lunatic?

  65. 65

    There you go again.. This was Bush reacting to aggression, not deterring any aggression.

    Yes, Bush reacted. Obummer is waffling like he did with Syria! So much for that red line eh schmucko-lunatic?

  66. 66

    GW Bush was constrained by Pelosi and Reid in any actions he could perform

    Not on the surge you idiot! Go back and reread #16. No mention of the surge.

    Sux to be you! Keep deflecting on the Surge moron. You claimed it was 2007. WikiPedia proved you wrong AGAIN!

  69. 69

    Notice how schmucko-lunatic goes all silly when his simple arguments explode when facts are presented?

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    And Romney was right right right! The libtard media jock strapped Obummer and helped Obummer win!

    Sux to be DUMMOCRETINS watching their preznit going apeshit because Obummer is clueless!

  73. 73

    It was 2007.

    The Surge decision happened in 2006. Wikipedia proved it.

    More facts that proves it sux to be you!

  74. 74

    You said Pelosi/Reid constrained “any actions”.

    You claimed Puddy wrote that against the surge.

    NOPE YOU DOPE!

  76. 76

    Seriously considering cuts vs. actually implementing cuts are two different things schmucko-lunatic…

    Too bad you are reality deficient!

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    Yawwwwn. Getting bored whipping this pathetic troll’s ass..

    Standard commentary when schmucko-lunatic has lost the argument.

    Throw down the marbles, have a temper tantrum and claim he won. Except all can see the carnage of exploded schmucko-lunatic farts with true facts!

  81. 81

    Awwww. How could a Republican lose to a “weak community organizer” like Obama?

    Easy… when you have the slobbering libtard msm covering up everything Obummer did and Candy Crowley giving Obummer cover for something Obummer never said. Now we see Susan Rice backtracking!

  82. 82

    Smack

    SMACK

    SMACK!

    Puddy’s foot on schmucko-lunatic’s head!

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    36)Most likely Union Pacific will stay with diesels on SF Peninsula, even CalTrain will still use Diesels on the Gilroy service. Perhaps UP would redeploy a few GenSet locomotives to this line. UP has used electrics before, in Yakima.

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