Yo Santa – try not to have your picture taken with the sabertooth tiger.
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
Perhaps President-Elect MoFo (Blago’s word—ethnicized) ought to take a few lessons on Ethics…rather than use wiggle-words like Clinton.
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Stevespews:
Perhaps Cynical should stop fucking goats.
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slingshotspews:
A new Christmas song for Ted Nugent; ‘Santa’s Got Catch Scratch Fever’.
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notaboomerspews:
war on christmas unbound
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Broadway Joespews:
That was no cat – that was a midget Secular Humanist in disguise!
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slingshotspews:
Whoops, make that ‘Cat’.
@5,6 LOL! It’s the work of the PROGRESSIVE animal welfare society (a bunch of Socialist bastards, for sure).
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Puddybudspews:
Now here is something that should raise the ire of the HA faithful.
Hmmm… Maybe David Axelrod is right the first time after all.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
Now I see why Obama and his minions are asking Rod to quietly disappear!
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Puddybudspews:
Thanks goodness for Google Cache. Now it’s been eliminated!
Yep those lefties over at Google
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Cnyical is right. You are byebyegoober! Goodbye.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Which position do you prefer when checking goatbutts: doggie or missionary?
When can we expect your goat Karma Sutra book?
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Rupert G Holmesspews:
Wow Governor Blog-o-bitch was exchanging favors with the Chicago Tribune to get editorialists who wrote negative press about him fired.
But I’m sure it’s all the result of global warming, the war for oil, karl rove, or the failed policies of the bush administration. Because we all know that dems piss gold and rainbows
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Stevespews:
@11 You’re getting a little strange on me, Pudz. Are you on drugs? This isn’t some kind of PTSD thing from November 4th, is it? Something you picked up from the goat maybe? Hmm, maybe I should go a little easy on you.
Even though this is an open thread, I’d like to remind everyone that we here at HA like to focus on the issues rather than engage in personal attacks. If you can’t abide by our rules, perhaps this isn’t the blog for you.
Thank you
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YLBspews:
Poor Stupes. Reduced to the howling street corner loon.
Fitz’s papers say the Obama team did nothing wrong. There’s no there there and no need for anyone on the Obama team to go anywhere.
As with almost all right wing bullshit, it’s dissipating into the vapor of empty right wing skulls.
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Puddybudspews:
yelling loser boy… where did I say anything about Obama? I posted facts.
So a CBS station is “right-wing bullshit”?
You are such a loser! What did your wife see in you? Insipid and still operating that way.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
You are the preeminent voice of goat-sex. I figger if you publish a book you may save one of those lefty moronic publishing houses with your “book sales”. Man you are too stupid to see satire.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Betcha This Guy Is A Cheap Labor Conservative
“The FBI confirmed Wednesday it was investigating allegations that a Louisiana farmer fired shotgun blasts over Mexican guest workers’ heads, exposed them to pesticides and paid them less than minimum wage.
” … [A] federal lawsuit filed Wednesday by immigrant rights organizations … accuses Charles ‘Bimbo’ Relan, owner of Bimbo’s Best Produce, of forcing the workers to toil in strawberry fields in Amite, La. … Relan also confiscated the workers passports so they would not flee, the lawsuit claims. ‘… He treated us like animals …,’ said former worker J. Jesus Martinez-Hernandez, one of 13 plaintiffs. …
“According to the lawsuit, Relan oversaw fieldwork carrying a shotgun and fired it over workers’ heads ‘on occasion.’ He also shot a stray dog to death that workers had befriended, according to the lawsuit. …
“The Mexican workers were in the country legally under the H2A visa program …. Immigrant rights groups have criticized the program for weak worker protections.”
Quoted from AP and MSNBC under fair use.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This case illustrates why Republicans can’t be trusted to enforce labor laws.
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YLBspews:
16 – Loser.. Hmmm. I see.
You’re the only one howling at the moon Stupes.
Keep it up. You’re good at it.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
(Not) Supporting The Troops Dep’t
” …Congress last year ordered the Pentagon to accept appeals from wounded and injured troops. … So far, officials have yet to examine a single case. … The board was supposed to be in place 90 days after the bill was signed …. ‘They move slow on those things they don’t like to do,’ said retired Army Lt. Col. Mike Parker, an advocate for wounded soldiers.”
Quoted from AP and MSNBC under fair use.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This illustrates why Republicans can’t be trusted to take care of wounded and injured soldiers. If you need an important job done, you gotta hire Democrats to do it!
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Puddybudspews:
Let’s try this again yelling loser boy…
Was that CBS station is “right-wing bullshit”?
Must be cuz you said it.
Howling at the moon? No, just posting facts from left wing locations.
M O R O N!
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Stevespews:
I don’t know about a book, Pudz, but you Republicans and your goatfucking would certainly make for a damned fine doctoral thesis.
Oh, wait, you don’t care about the moral decadence and degradation that is today’s Republican party. You’ll accuse me of doing the very things you Republicans do. How clever of you, Pudz. Geez, nobody would ever see through that. Nobody would ever consider that a wing-nut might go into denial and project his worst traits onto somebody else. God forbid. We know it could never happen.
You’re not only a stupid goatfucker, Pudz, you’re Cynical’s own Step-n-Fetchit bitch. It must suck.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
You forgot to mention serial killer John Wayne Gacy. Oh… wait a minute, he was a prominent democrat and friend of Jimmy Cahhhhhhhrter.
Oh nevermind…
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Stevespews:
Ooh, looky, Pudz is using both CAPS and a bold font. Damn, Pudz! Here, let me try that!
PUDDY FUCKS GOATS
Yeah, that’s cool.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
You’re not only a stupid goatfucker, Pudz, you’re Cynical’s own Step-n-Fetchit bitch. It must suck.
Somehow I knew the racist moron would eventually elevate himself in you. Bestiality and Racism, the right and left lobes of your brain.
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Stevespews:
Gacy? Wasn’t he from, like, the last century? Try to keep up with current events, Pudz. I’m talking about what’s going on NOW.
Hmm, CAPS and a bold stroke. I dunno. I think I’ll just leave that to you fucktard trolls. It’s more your speed.
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Stevespews:
@25 Projection. You never tire of it, do you?
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YLBspews:
Stupes. Everybody here knows you’re full of right wing bullshit.
You can’t face reality. You lost. Your precious right wing bullshit lost. All those bullshit artists you worship, Limpblows, Sean Insanity, O’Loofah man – they all lost.
Keep pretending it matters Stupes. It don’t.
Keep howling at the moon. It so sucks to be your silly ass.
So are we to conclude that you’ve had a strong case of PTSD since the election, Pudz? Your behavior has certainly been more than just a little bit odd, you know. You heard about Marvin’s suicide, didn’t you? With that in mind, we reckon should be glad that you’re internalizing the pain and not acting it out like he did, with the exception, of course, of your insipid posts.
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Puddybudspews:
Somehow when I think of Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Arthur Shawcross comes to mind…
Just look at him and think Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator.
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Puddybudspews:
Duh Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Nope! You only get stressed over someone you wanted to win and they lose. You are too moronic to see I had no horse in that race, no matter how many times I tell you and your little brother yelling loser boy. It has to be all those goat butts you check.
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Puddybudspews:
Continuing post #31:
When you look like that, goats are the only alternative!
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Stevespews:
@28 Everything he has ever believed in is in ruins and yet he still merrily puts party before country with every post. His worst is when one of his ilk here starts slurring a race or people and Pudz sticks his thumb up his ass and says nothing. He disgusts me when he does that.
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Kspews:
The goat exchanges are rather tiresome, children.
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Stevespews:
@32 Wow. Your party not only got stepped on, trounced and laughed at, you were sent to the backwaters of American society where you came from and damned well belong. And you had no horse in that race? I love it when you’re in denial like that, Pudz. Your being the butt of our jokes is your only continued relevance. That’s gotta suck.
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Stevespews:
I’m in the process of helping Pudz get his mind right. Tonight’s session is nearly complete.
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Puddybudspews:
yelling loser boy: looks like the same CBS station was at it even earlier…
But then again that’s Bill Burkett’s favrit station.
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Puddybudspews:
K – he’s from your side, not ours. Tell Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator to stop bring up goat sex.
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Stevespews:
Just for the record, in this thread Pudz has mentioned goats twentyone times. I’ve mentioned goats five times.
34 – Steve, I’ve been here since December of 2004 and Stupes has been spewing right wing bullshit here almost that long. He’s pathetic. An addict. I admit that Nov 2004 was a good time to be a right winger but thankfully here in WA State Christine Gregoire edged out that shit-heel Dino Rossi.
That rained on the right wing parade! Losers like Stupes came here to point fingers and name call.
We won that election contest victory Steve. And it’s been downhill for dumbasses like Stupes ever since.
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Puddybudspews:
You betcha Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator.
It’s your new tag line…
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Kspews:
Saying its so, don’t make it so, Pud. Read your own posts.
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Stevespews:
I made a deal with you, Pudz. I said I’d stop referencing this stuff
when you quit with the denial act and admit that the Republican party has become a magnet to America’s pedophiles and perverts. The ball’s been in your court for a long time and evidently you’re just too much the coward to do anything about it. That’s your problem in a nutshell, Pudz. You’re a coward. Hell, you can’t even stand up to that asswipe, Cynical.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator@45: I already answered you twice on that. Twice is enough for me. When have I been in denial?
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Puddybudspews:
K – For a Cornellian you have a small mind and limited memory faculties. Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator, was the first to bring up goat sex.
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Stevespews:
@42 I’ve only been here since spring. When the BIAW liberal-fascist thing came up I needed a local place to vent. I’ve been here ever since. For some reason it only took a couple weeks for Stupes to grow to hate me. Odd. I wonder why? However, it’s the good people like yourself that make this a great place to visit and to try to be part of the community.
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Stevespews:
Make that twentyeight for Pudz, six for me.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator, it was easy…
You accused me of bestiality
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Stevespews:
@46 Liar.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator, while yelling loser boy may have arrived 12/04, his love of man-made kool-aid is going as strong as ever.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator@51, ask SeattleJew moron.
@50 Geez, my accusations of your being an America-hating, fascist traitor didn’t bother you none? I figured those to be the ones closest to the mark. Damn, I take it that you really are into beastiality. Of course, you’re a Republican so it was obvious that you had some kind of deep-seated issues going for you. If beasts are it, then beasts are it. So be it, Pudz.
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Stevespews:
Make that thirtyfour for Pudz, six for Steve.
You keep on digging that hole for yourself, Pudz.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator
That tag line is your ID!
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Stevespews:
Thirtysix for Pudz, six for Steve.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Geez, my accusations of your being an America-hating, fascist traitor didn’t bother you none?
Nope. Even when headless lucy called me that I sloughed it off my back…
But when you accuse me of bestiality, something totally abhorrent in the Bible.. I draw the line.
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Stevespews:
So what’s it like for everything you ever believed in to turn to shit, Pudz? Marvin took it pretty hard, you know. So sad.
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Stevespews:
Thirtyeight for Pudz, six for Steve.
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator,
No it hasn’t. I’m still a conservative, only the Republican Party leaders like Ted Stevens became just like Robert Byrd.
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Stevespews:
Puddy fucks goats.
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Stevespews:
Forty for Pudz, seven for Steve.
I’ve got some catching up to do.
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Stevespews:
@62 Hell, I’m the conservative. You’re just fucked up, Pudz. There’s nothing conservative about being fucked up.
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Kspews:
My last words on this one, Pud becaused as I said it is rather tiresome. An exchange takes two. You gleefully rolled in the mud and then proclaim how clean you are. Well have fun with it but don’t pretend you are not participating. Note I do not say you are alone or originating. But you are perpetuating, and denying.
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Stevespews:
@66 My sincere apologies if I’ve offended you.
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YLBspews:
Steve, Stupes won’t ever turn on one of his own. Ever, ever, ever…
He says he’ll think about it if everybody denounces Headless Lucy who made some Michael Richards-like outbursts around Katrina time.
I mean this guy is nuts. He even keeps a tally of people who have denounced HL. It’s at 5 or 6 and this fool is waiting for it to get to 75 or something stupid like that.
That’s such fucking right wing bullshit. Like all right wingers he just wants people who deplore his views to dance to his tune. He’s a hopeless authoritarian. His right wing bullshit is turning off voters in droves but he can validate himself if he can con people into following his orders.
Steve, at the end of the day, some people are just freaking crazy!
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Puddybudspews:
K – Whatever. Results 1 – 10 of about 145 from horsesass.org for steve goat.
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Puddybudspews:
yelling loser boy – ever look in the mirror?
Nooooooooo… the view is too shocking.
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Puddybudspews:
yelling loser boy… Never turn on one of my own?
Look up my denouncement of JCH – fool. I have said other things about righties I didn’t agree with. Butt nary a word from yelling loser boy.
That’s why I get along with SeattleJew, and why you are detestable like Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator.
You are so delusional you are stupid!
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Stevespews:
@68 Interesting that you mention ‘authoritarian’. I don’t consider our trolls to be conservatives, not even Republicans, except perhaps in as much as they stole the name. I rather see our trolls as simple, immature droolers, longing for a totalitarian state in which they dream of playing some small, jack-booted role. Judging from the pedophile site, probably some role that involves abusing the children of liberals. Me? I admit that I’ve got a thing for abusing trolls. I know I’ve got a bit of a mean streak when it comes to that. But I’m hoping to make some small contribution to a better world that way. Or at least to a better HA.
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Puddybudspews:
Posted under fair use just like Pelletizer throws his crap up here.
The Blagojevich Timeline: Everything Fits Easily Except Obama’s Monday Denial.
Most people have misunderstood the timeline of the Blagojevich Senate scandal. Pretty much everything fits except Barack Obama’s statement yesterday that he knew nothing about it.
If we didn’t have Obama’s denial to contend with, the actions of all the parties, including those purporting to speak for Obama, are consistent with Obama and his staff learning about Blagojevich’s corrupt plans on Monday, Nov. 10.
Consider the timeline, as revealed in the complaint and press reports:
1. On the weekend of Nov. 8-9, Obama lets it be known that his choice for Senate is Valerie Jarrett. Aides tell WLS-TV in Chicago and CNN, which announces Obama’s choice on Sunday. Nov. 9.
2. On Monday, Nov. 10, Blagojevich holds an incredible 2-hour conference call with multiple consultants: “ROD BLAGOJEVICH, his wife, JOHN HARRIS, Governor General Counsel, and various Washington-D.C. based advisors, including Advisor B,” discussing his corrupt schemes. He follows this with two calls with Advisor A.
3. That very night, Monday, Nov. 10, at 7:56pm, CNN reported:
Two Democratic sources close to President-elect Barack Obama tell CNN that top adviser Valerie Jarrett will not be appointed to replace him in the U.S. Senate.
“While he (Obama) thinks she would be a good senator, he wants her in the White House,” one top Obama advisor told CNN Monday.
Over the weekend, Democratic sources had told CNN as well as Chicago television station WLS-TV that Jarrett was Obama’s choice to fill his Senate seat.
So what happened? The likeliest scenario is that one of the many participants in Blagojevich’s Monday phone calls either floated his plans to the Obama transition team to assess their response or tipped off the Obama camp about the reckless ideas that Blagojevich had planned.
In any event, within hours of Blagojevich substantially expanding his circle of confidants, the Obama camp withdrew Jarrett’s name from consideration and attributed that withdrawal to the President’s wanting Jarrett in the White House. And the Obama staffers went out of their way to depict this as Obama’s choice, rather than Jarrett’s, which would have been more common. The report claims Obama’s involvement in the decision and suggests a direct effort to undercut the idea that Obama was pressuring Blagojevich to appoint Jarrett.
4. Moreover, by the next day, Tuesday, Nov. 11, Blagojevich already had received his answer from the Obama camp that no quid pro quo would be forthcoming: “ROD BLAGOJEVICH said he knows that the President-elect wants Senate Candidate 1 for the Senate seat but ‘they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation. F**k them.’”
5. On Wednesday, Nov. 12, Blagojevich pitched his corrupt bargain idea to an SEIU Official who, according to Ben Smith, is President Andy Stern. Stern agreed to convey the offer to the relevant actors. Blagojevich understood Stern to be contacting Jarrett herself, the co-chairwoman of the Obama transition team:
109. On November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH spoke with SEIU Official, who was in Washington, D.C. Prior intercepted phone conversations indicate that approximately a week before this call, ROD BLAGOJEVICH met with SEIU Official to discuss the vacant Senate seat, and ROD BLAGOJEVICH understood that SEIU Official was an emissary to discuss Senate Candidate 1’s interest in the Senate seat.
During the conversation with SEIU Official on November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH informed SEIU Official that he had heard the President-elect wanted persons other than Senate Candidate 1 to be considered for the Senate seat.
SEIU Official stated that he would find out if Senate Candidate 1 wanted SEIU Official to keep pushing her for Senator with ROD BLAGOJEVICH. ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that “one thing I’d be interested in” is a 501(c)(4) organization.
ROD BLAGOJEVICH explained the 501(c)(4) idea to SEIU Official and said that the 501(c)(4) could help “our new Senator [Senate Candidate 1].” SEIU Official agreed to “put that flag up and see where it goes.”
110. On November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH talked with Advisor B. ROD BLAGOJEVICH told Advisor B that he told SEIU Official, “I said go back to [Senate Candidate 1], and, and say hey, look, if you still want to be a Senator don’t rule this out and then broach the idea of this 501(c)(4) with her.”
6. The complaint doesn’t say whether Stern contacted Jarrett or other members of the Obama transition team, but it is likely that he did. Whether Stern was horrified by Blagojevich’s corrupt idea and wanted to warn Obama or intrigued by the deal and wanted to assess its chances, I can’t think of a good reason why Stern wouldn’t have conveyed the idea to the Obama camp.
7. On Thursday, Nov. 13:
ROD BLAGOJEVICH asked Advisor A to call Individual A and have Individual A pitch the idea of the 501(c)(4) to “[President-elect Advisor].” Advisor A said that, “while it’s not said this is a play to put in play other things.” ROD BLAGOJEVICH responded, “correct.” Advisor A asked if this is “because we think there’s still some life in [Senate Candidate 1] potentially?” ROD BLAGOJEVICH said, “not so much her, but possibly her. But others.”
8. If, as seems likely, Individual A then pitched Blagojevich’s corrupt bargain to the “President-elect Advisor” and that advisor is Rahm Emanuel, as has been suggested by others, then Emanuel would then have known of the bribery attempt.
9. By 6:10pm on Friday, Nov. 14, CNN is reporting:
Valerie Jarrett tells CNN contributor Roland Martin that President-elect Barack Obama offered and she accepted a position in the Obama administration – she will be the Senior Adviser to the President and Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison.
10. Nov. 14 to early December: After occasionally feeding speculation about who might fill Obama’s seat, the Obama transition team suddenly goes remarkably silent about his preference.
11. On Nov. 23, Obama’s “senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago,” answering a question about the Senate seat.
While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a “kingmaker,” Axelrod said, “I know he’s talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them.”
Note the language used. While on Nov. 9, Obama staffers were telling multiple news outlets whom Obama wanted for his Senate seat, by Nov. 23, Axelrod was distancing Obama not only from any individual choice, but he used the pejorative term “kingmaker” to emphasize Obama’s avoidance of any even marginally corrupt influence. It is likely that Axelrod had in mind the corrupt bargain that Obama’s camp had already turned down.
12. On Tuesday, Dec. 9, Obama denies personal knowledge of the corrupt proposal.
“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”
As I’ve said before, as with Bill Clinton, Barack Obama’s words should be read carefully to see what he is saying and not saying. Apparently, Obama started to say that “we were not” “aware of what was happening,” but corrected himself by saying that “I was not aware of what was happening.”
That language leaves open the possibility that his staff was aware, but he personally was not. But why would Obama’s staff withhold information from him? I assume that Obama is telling the truth about not having spoken to the governor himself, since that might be easily refuted.
CONCLUSION:
From the evening of Nov. 10 until yesterday, Blagojevich, Obama, and his transition team acted in ways that are consistent with a knowledge of Blagojevich’s bribery attempt and a rejection of that attempt. What doesn’t fit easily with the timeline is Obama’s statement yesterday.
It should be noted that it is not a crime to fail to report a bribery attempt. The federal misprision of felony statute would seem to make it a federal crime to fail to report a federal felony:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. 18 USC s.4.
But case law has conclusively determined that mere non-reporting is not enough. Active concealment or the acceptance of a benefit for concealing is required.
Yet, looking at this timeline of Blagogate, it seems quite possible that someone in the Obama Camp is either lying or at least not revealing what they know. I also find it hard to believe that Obama’s closest advisors were hiding major corruption from him, especially as he was making decisions about where to place Senate candidates such as Jarrett.
Something important is missing from this story. Let’s hope that, whatever it is, the absent fact or explanation will allow the narrative to fit Obama’s denial more naturally.
Since by all accounts, the Obama camp refused Blagojevich’s bribery attempt, it would be extremely unwise to lie about it. Remember, it’s not the crime that trips you up; it’s the cover-up.
UPDATE: My parsing of Obama’s statement above gets some strong support from this LA Times interview, noted by Byron York:
It hasn’t gotten a huge amount of coverage, but Obama did an interview with the Los Angeles Times yesterday. He said he had never talked about the Senate seat with Rod Blagojevich. But when he was asked whether his staff had, he clammed up. From the interview:
Q: Have you ever spoken to [Illinois] Gov. [Rod R.] Blagojevich about the Senate seat?
Obama: I have not discussed the Senate seat with the governor at any time. My strong belief is that it needed to be filled by somebody who is going to represent the people of Illinois and fight for them. And beyond that, I was focused on the transition.
Q: And that was before and after the election?
Obama: Yes.
Q: Are you aware of any conversations between Blagojevich or [chief of staff] John Harris and any of your top aides, including Rahm [Emanuel]?
Obama: Let me stop you there because . . . it’s an ongoing…. investigation. I think it would be inappropriate for me to, you know, remark on the situation beyond the facts that I know. And that’s the fact that I didn’t discuss this issue with the governor at all.
So I was correct that Obama was indeed drawing a distinction between what he knew and what his staff might have known.
As I said above, there is something missing here. It wouldn’t surprise me if Obama staffers were working with the prosecutors (from the week of Nov. 10th on), a possibility suggested in comments below. But it would surprise me if Obama staffers went to the feds without telling Obama.
JCH huh? The only right wing loser who was so fucking crazy he was banned from here.
Ok. I’ll give you some credit. I was going to disagree with Lee. I was going to proclaim YOU, head and freaking shoulders above anybody, the MOST STUPID FUCKING GUY IN THE ROOM.
But no! I’ll have to agree with Lee after all. JCH was more stupid than you.
But not by as much as you might like.
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Stevespews:
I think there’s a black helicopter flying over Puddy’s head right now.
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Stevespews:
@75 Hey, wait a sec…, someone dumber than Stupes???
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Puddybudspews:
Wow yelling loser boy…
Ready to take that IQ test? Lee never answered my challenge, remember?
$100 and SeattleJew holds the money…
Since you “claim” to be so smart…
Put up or shut up!
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Puddybudspews:
Black Helicopters…
Well the color is correct.
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Puddybudspews:
And when yelling loser boy steps up to the plate for his idiot savant IQ measurement, I get to meet the loser…
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Stevespews:
I don’t believe that under fair use you can post the entire article, Pudz. I do believe that you can copy a portion of it for the purpose of comment and criticism. It looks like you’ve posted the entire article and have offered neither comment nor critcism. You’re busted, Pudz. Maybe Roger will take your case.
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YLBspews:
76 – Yeah I know Steve that it’s just about impossible to believe ANYONE could exceed Stupes in the dumbass department.
But JCH was that guy for sure!
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Stevespews:
@80 Are you into some IQ contest or something? This is the world-wide web, you know. It’s probably not wise to brag about having a 136 IQ, Pudz. That’d be begging for a dose of humiliation.
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Stevespews:
@82 Well then, my bet is that JCH fucks goats.
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YLBspews:
80 – Never going to happen. I have not the least scintilla of intention to ever be in the same room with the likes of you.
This comment board is as close as it gets.
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Puddybudspews:
yelling loser boy…
I figgered you’d be a chicken.
I figgered you to be a dumbtard!
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Puddybudspews:
Steve, you are truly dumb. I guess you forgot what Lee started a few days ago.
Of course, if it doesn’t involve horned four legged animals… you forget.
And Steve, where did I claim I had a 136 IQ?
Putz!
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Puddybudspews:
Hey Steve, volokh is a blogger. I gave him attribution.
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YLBspews:
86 – You’d subtract from my life Stupes. So forget you.
90
Stevespews:
Sorry, but I don’t read every thread. What’s the deal with IQ’s?
136 was just a number that someone stupid like you might think is high, but really isn’t.
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Stevespews:
@88 I don’t believe attribution is enough, but I’m an engineer, not a lawyer. However, I did the same thing you did and the post was scrubbed from the HA site. Further, I do know that I don’t have to copyright my own architectural/engineering drawings for them to be protected under copyright law. I’ve thought for some time that this subject is worthy of some discussion here so we all know the law as it applies to HA posts. Roger seems to know the copyright law and I would defer to him on the subject.
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Puddybudspews:
yelling loser boy – it would be no contest mi pendejo chingador!
93
Roger Rabbitspews:
Damn, putz, you’re gonna fuck that goat to death. Then you’ll have to use liver.
94
Rick D.spews:
93. Roger Rabbit spews: Damn, putz, you’re gonna fuck that goat to death.
..and as we all know, Roadkill Bunny wants his turn at the goat before it’s dead. per usual.
94 – Little Ricky Dumbass. Loser. Believer in right wing fairy tales.
Remember Larry Sinclair?
Little Ricky Dumbass.
96
Roger Rabbitspews:
@81 Hell no, I won’t take that case or represent that idiot. Think I want to screw up my won-loss percentage? Besides, I prefer to represent clients with some class, which putz doesn’t have any of.
97
Roger Rabbitspews:
Little Rickie Dumbass @94 Get serious! You think there’s a shortage of cute female bunnies? You haven’t been outdoors lately, have you?
“You think there’s a shortage of cute female bunnies? You haven’t been outdoors lately, have you?”
Perhaps so, however the biological imperative is to perpetuate the species. So those cute bunnies are going to be looking for a strong, virile young male with whom to mate. Not a tired, old, jack like yourself.
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correctnotrightspews:
Moron Puddy: Have you read the actual transcript from the FBI? Here it is:
“ROD BLAGOJEVICH said he knows that the President-elect wants Senate Candidate 1 for the open seat but “they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation. Fuck them.” ”
Can it be ANY more clear than THAT? So much for you and your sorry and pathetic attempts to go after Obama. Learn TO READ! It will really help you from spreading bullshit lies propagated by the rightwingnuts.
Also, spreading lies and false rumors was considered to be a crime worthy of DEATH BY STONING in the old testament. Remember that the next time you post lies and try to insinuate false charges.
Let me help you out a bit by just thanking you in front of everyone here for summarizing the situation so neatly at the end of your post:
So I was correct that Obama was indeed drawing a distinction between what he knew and what his staff might have known.
As I said above, there is something missing here. It wouldn’t surprise me if Obama staffers were working with the prosecutors (from the week of Nov. 10th on), a possibility suggested in comments below. But it would surprise me if Obama staffers went to the feds without telling Obama.
Apparently it is your contention that Mr. Obama had no direct talks with Governor Blagojevich, and that if his staff received any hint of corruption from Governor Blagojevich, they immediately alerted the appropriate authorities. They probably notified Mr. Obama, but carefully did not get him directly involved with the situation.
Also, Mr. Obama, wishing to tell the truth, but not wanting to improperly leak information about an ongoing case, is carefully wording his statements towards that end.
Ok, works for me.
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
Wow, Steve (formerly known as ByeByeGOP…the only Leftist Pinhead in the history of blogging to be banned from a Leftist Pinhead Blog!)
steve certainly enlights the average reader, doesn’t he….just like he did as ByeBye.
Sheeesh…a Leftist Pinhead banned from a Leftist Pinhead Blog. Now that’s mighty LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
Steve…has it ever dawned on you that you are a loooooooooooser? Probably not…your the only one on this Blog who doesn’t see it.
102
Stevespews:
@101 Somebody push your button? I hope you understand that I don’t give a shit about you or your fucking delusions.
I have a selfish idea. How about spewing some more racist bullshit about black mayors. You see, I enjoy watching Puddy act the coward when he’s confronted with racism.
103
Puddybudspews:
John Barelli: The only thing the Volokh post does is ask who knew what and when. If the political shoe was on the other foot y’all would be screaming all over the place wanting blood. I want to know was it Rahmbo who dropped the dime?
104
Puddybudspews:
Cynical@101, Steve forgets who brought up the goat issue first.
Steve always delivers a goat to a thread.
105
Puddybudspews:
Steve, the only coward on this blog is you, moron.
Twice I was challenged by byebyegoober and while I showed up he ran with his tail tween his legs.
106
Puddybudspews:
Steve, you retard. Racist crap about black mayors?
You mean Street of Philly; Kilpatrick of Deeeeeeeeeetroit, Young of Deeeeeeeeeeetroit who taught us the power of swearing…
Even Obama blew off meeting with the Black Mayors this year. Puddy remembers
107
Stevespews:
Puddy, when you show up calling people like YLB names right out of the box, how could you possibly turn around and take offence when somebody does the exact same thing to you? Is there some degree of offence that you calculate before you take exception? Or is it simply OK when you do it but you then whine whenever somebody dishes it out in your direction? If you want to call people names, be prepared to take as well as you give or get the fuck out of here.
We’re waiting for you on the other thread. You have a meeting of the minds with Troll that’s been long overdue.
108
Stevespews:
@105 What’s that, some kind of cheap threat?
@106 You’re really not much of a man, are you?
109
Puddybudspews:
Steve, go back and review the HA tapes. You’ll see who endured the name calling for a long time before I returned the favor.
Ask yelling loser boy what his original pet name was for me as For The Clueless.
Go on moron!
110
Puddybudspews:
Steve, you can take it any way you want. That’s life ain’t it.
Ask GBS what type of guy I am. Better yet, ask the HA Drinking Libtardly crowd. Many of them met me, more than once.
111
YLBspews:
The first notice I took of Stupes when he threw around the slurs “democrap”, “democrapic” and “moveon.pork”.
I mean on a liberal blog this moron really meant to endear himself.
Then he’d go to (un)SP and call the people here idiots who made a call on the legal issues surrounding the Governor’s election contest – the same people who were completely vindicated when Bridges made his decision.
This fool brought it all on himself.
112
YLBspews:
Better yet, ask the HA Drinking Libtardly crowd.
Perfect example. Why would anyone intentionally want to hang out with a schmuck who denigrates their views like this?
113
Puddybudspews:
Steve, notice how yelling loser boy can’t answer?
Guilty as charged fool!
HAs most clueless idiot.
114
Puddybudspews:
moveon.pork – they became the warm man-made kool-aid site
democraptic – response to jackbooted goosestepping fascist. I like Donkey now. Fits you to a tee jackass.
yelling loser boy – the fool who swims in his own muck
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
104. Puddybud spews:
Cynical@101, Steve forgets who brought up the goat issue first.
Steve always delivers a goat to a thread.
Steve, formerly known as ByebyeGOP the only Leftist Pinhead ever in history banned from a Leftist Pinhead Blog, is a bit bent out of shape by smooth-talkin’, Mr. Cool, President-elect MoFo duping him about taxing the heck out of successful guys like us and giving it to lazy bastards like him.
Steve aka ByeBye is churning & burning inside with rage. The poison in his system is eating him up causing endless visions of goat fornication.
I think Steve aka ByeBye is more insane the Blago the Serb!
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Rick D.spews:
@ 97
You think there’s a shortage of cute female bunnies? ~ Roger Rubsit
Dunno. You’re the one fucking goats for sport so I’m not sure how the cute female bunnies subject came up (so to speak).
I’ve gone through the rabies vaccination, which is only a 3 shot series. That was one of the most painful things I’ve gone through: I couldn’t raise my arms above my shoulders for 2 days.
Sorry Santa. I hope Mrs. Permit-Carrying-Bobcat-Lover is willing to step forward.
correctnotright spews:
Yo Santa – try not to have your picture taken with the sabertooth tiger.
Mr. Cynical spews:
Perhaps President-Elect MoFo (Blago’s word—ethnicized) ought to take a few lessons on Ethics…rather than use wiggle-words like Clinton.
Steve spews:
Perhaps Cynical should stop fucking goats.
slingshot spews:
A new Christmas song for Ted Nugent; ‘Santa’s Got Catch Scratch Fever’.
notaboomer spews:
war on christmas unbound
Broadway Joe spews:
That was no cat – that was a midget Secular Humanist in disguise!
slingshot spews:
Whoops, make that ‘Cat’.
@5,6 LOL! It’s the work of the PROGRESSIVE animal welfare society (a bunch of Socialist bastards, for sure).
Puddybud spews:
Now here is something that should raise the ire of the HA faithful.
Hmmm… Maybe David Axelrod is right the first time after all.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
Now I see why Obama and his minions are asking Rod to quietly disappear!
Puddybud spews:
Thanks goodness for Google Cache. Now it’s been eliminated!
Yep those lefties over at Google
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Cnyical is right. You are byebyegoober! Goodbye.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Which position do you prefer when checking goatbutts: doggie or missionary?
When can we expect your goat Karma Sutra book?
Rupert G Holmes spews:
Wow Governor Blog-o-bitch was exchanging favors with the Chicago Tribune to get editorialists who wrote negative press about him fired.
But I’m sure it’s all the result of global warming, the war for oil, karl rove, or the failed policies of the bush administration. Because we all know that dems piss gold and rainbows
Steve spews:
@11 You’re getting a little strange on me, Pudz. Are you on drugs? This isn’t some kind of PTSD thing from November 4th, is it? Something you picked up from the goat maybe? Hmm, maybe I should go a little easy on you.
Troll spews:
Even though this is an open thread, I’d like to remind everyone that we here at HA like to focus on the issues rather than engage in personal attacks. If you can’t abide by our rules, perhaps this isn’t the blog for you.
Thank you
YLB spews:
Poor Stupes. Reduced to the howling street corner loon.
Fitz’s papers say the Obama team did nothing wrong. There’s no there there and no need for anyone on the Obama team to go anywhere.
As with almost all right wing bullshit, it’s dissipating into the vapor of empty right wing skulls.
Puddybud spews:
yelling loser boy… where did I say anything about Obama? I posted facts.
So a CBS station is “right-wing bullshit”?
You are such a loser! What did your wife see in you? Insipid and still operating that way.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
You are the preeminent voice of goat-sex. I figger if you publish a book you may save one of those lefty moronic publishing houses with your “book sales”. Man you are too stupid to see satire.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Betcha This Guy Is A Cheap Labor Conservative
“The FBI confirmed Wednesday it was investigating allegations that a Louisiana farmer fired shotgun blasts over Mexican guest workers’ heads, exposed them to pesticides and paid them less than minimum wage.
” … [A] federal lawsuit filed Wednesday by immigrant rights organizations … accuses Charles ‘Bimbo’ Relan, owner of Bimbo’s Best Produce, of forcing the workers to toil in strawberry fields in Amite, La. … Relan also confiscated the workers passports so they would not flee, the lawsuit claims. ‘… He treated us like animals …,’ said former worker J. Jesus Martinez-Hernandez, one of 13 plaintiffs. …
“According to the lawsuit, Relan oversaw fieldwork carrying a shotgun and fired it over workers’ heads ‘on occasion.’ He also shot a stray dog to death that workers had befriended, according to the lawsuit. …
“The Mexican workers were in the country legally under the H2A visa program …. Immigrant rights groups have criticized the program for weak worker protections.”
Quoted from AP and MSNBC under fair use.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This case illustrates why Republicans can’t be trusted to enforce labor laws.
YLB spews:
16 – Loser.. Hmmm. I see.
You’re the only one howling at the moon Stupes.
Keep it up. You’re good at it.
Roger Rabbit spews:
(Not) Supporting The Troops Dep’t
” …Congress last year ordered the Pentagon to accept appeals from wounded and injured troops. … So far, officials have yet to examine a single case. … The board was supposed to be in place 90 days after the bill was signed …. ‘They move slow on those things they don’t like to do,’ said retired Army Lt. Col. Mike Parker, an advocate for wounded soldiers.”
Quoted from AP and MSNBC under fair use.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This illustrates why Republicans can’t be trusted to take care of wounded and injured soldiers. If you need an important job done, you gotta hire Democrats to do it!
Puddybud spews:
Let’s try this again yelling loser boy…
Was that CBS station is “right-wing bullshit”?
Must be cuz you said it.
Howling at the moon? No, just posting facts from left wing locations.
M O R O N!
Steve spews:
I don’t know about a book, Pudz, but you Republicans and your goatfucking would certainly make for a damned fine doctoral thesis.
http://www.republicanoffenders.com/Pedophiles.html
Oh, wait, you don’t care about the moral decadence and degradation that is today’s Republican party. You’ll accuse me of doing the very things you Republicans do. How clever of you, Pudz. Geez, nobody would ever see through that. Nobody would ever consider that a wing-nut might go into denial and project his worst traits onto somebody else. God forbid. We know it could never happen.
You’re not only a stupid goatfucker, Pudz, you’re Cynical’s own Step-n-Fetchit bitch. It must suck.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
You forgot to mention serial killer John Wayne Gacy. Oh… wait a minute, he was a prominent democrat and friend of Jimmy Cahhhhhhhrter.
Oh nevermind…
Steve spews:
Ooh, looky, Pudz is using both CAPS and a bold font. Damn, Pudz! Here, let me try that!
PUDDY FUCKS GOATS
Yeah, that’s cool.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Somehow I knew the racist moron would eventually elevate himself in you. Bestiality and Racism, the right and left lobes of your brain.
Steve spews:
Gacy? Wasn’t he from, like, the last century? Try to keep up with current events, Pudz. I’m talking about what’s going on NOW.
Hmm, CAPS and a bold stroke. I dunno. I think I’ll just leave that to you fucktard trolls. It’s more your speed.
Steve spews:
@25 Projection. You never tire of it, do you?
YLB spews:
Stupes. Everybody here knows you’re full of right wing bullshit.
You can’t face reality. You lost. Your precious right wing bullshit lost. All those bullshit artists you worship, Limpblows, Sean Insanity, O’Loofah man – they all lost.
Keep pretending it matters Stupes. It don’t.
Keep howling at the moon. It so sucks to be your silly ass.
Puddybud spews:
yelling loser boy@28:
reread post #21.
Answer when ready…
Sucks to my me? Hardly loser boy…
Steve spews:
So are we to conclude that you’ve had a strong case of PTSD since the election, Pudz? Your behavior has certainly been more than just a little bit odd, you know. You heard about Marvin’s suicide, didn’t you? With that in mind, we reckon should be glad that you’re internalizing the pain and not acting it out like he did, with the exception, of course, of your insipid posts.
Puddybud spews:
Somehow when I think of Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Arthur Shawcross comes to mind…
Just look at him and think Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator.
Puddybud spews:
Duh Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Nope! You only get stressed over someone you wanted to win and they lose. You are too moronic to see I had no horse in that race, no matter how many times I tell you and your little brother yelling loser boy. It has to be all those goat butts you check.
Puddybud spews:
Continuing post #31:
When you look like that, goats are the only alternative!
Steve spews:
@28 Everything he has ever believed in is in ruins and yet he still merrily puts party before country with every post. His worst is when one of his ilk here starts slurring a race or people and Pudz sticks his thumb up his ass and says nothing. He disgusts me when he does that.
K spews:
The goat exchanges are rather tiresome, children.
Steve spews:
@32 Wow. Your party not only got stepped on, trounced and laughed at, you were sent to the backwaters of American society where you came from and damned well belong. And you had no horse in that race? I love it when you’re in denial like that, Pudz. Your being the butt of our jokes is your only continued relevance. That’s gotta suck.
Steve spews:
I’m in the process of helping Pudz get his mind right. Tonight’s session is nearly complete.
Puddybud spews:
yelling loser boy: looks like the same CBS station was at it even earlier…
But then again that’s Bill Burkett’s favrit station.
Puddybud spews:
K – he’s from your side, not ours. Tell Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator to stop bring up goat sex.
Steve spews:
Just for the record, in this thread Pudz has mentioned goats twentyone times. I’ve mentioned goats five times.
Puddy fucks goats.
OK, make it six.
Puddybud spews:
Butt yelling loser boy there is more.
Just getting more strange…
YLB spews:
34 – Steve, I’ve been here since December of 2004 and Stupes has been spewing right wing bullshit here almost that long. He’s pathetic. An addict. I admit that Nov 2004 was a good time to be a right winger but thankfully here in WA State Christine Gregoire edged out that shit-heel Dino Rossi.
That rained on the right wing parade! Losers like Stupes came here to point fingers and name call.
We won that election contest victory Steve. And it’s been downhill for dumbasses like Stupes ever since.
Puddybud spews:
You betcha Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator.
It’s your new tag line…
K spews:
Saying its so, don’t make it so, Pud. Read your own posts.
Steve spews:
I made a deal with you, Pudz. I said I’d stop referencing this stuff
http://www.republicanoffenders.com/Pedophiles.html
when you quit with the denial act and admit that the Republican party has become a magnet to America’s pedophiles and perverts. The ball’s been in your court for a long time and evidently you’re just too much the coward to do anything about it. That’s your problem in a nutshell, Pudz. You’re a coward. Hell, you can’t even stand up to that asswipe, Cynical.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator@45: I already answered you twice on that. Twice is enough for me. When have I been in denial?
Puddybud spews:
K – For a Cornellian you have a small mind and limited memory faculties. Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator, was the first to bring up goat sex.
Steve spews:
@42 I’ve only been here since spring. When the BIAW liberal-fascist thing came up I needed a local place to vent. I’ve been here ever since. For some reason it only took a couple weeks for Stupes to grow to hate me. Odd. I wonder why? However, it’s the good people like yourself that make this a great place to visit and to try to be part of the community.
Steve spews:
Make that twentyeight for Pudz, six for me.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator, it was easy…
You accused me of bestiality
Steve spews:
@46 Liar.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator, while yelling loser boy may have arrived 12/04, his love of man-made kool-aid is going as strong as ever.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator@51, ask SeattleJew moron.
Puddybud spews:
Now this is funny…
Steve spews:
@50 Geez, my accusations of your being an America-hating, fascist traitor didn’t bother you none? I figured those to be the ones closest to the mark. Damn, I take it that you really are into beastiality. Of course, you’re a Republican so it was obvious that you had some kind of deep-seated issues going for you. If beasts are it, then beasts are it. So be it, Pudz.
Steve spews:
Make that thirtyfour for Pudz, six for Steve.
You keep on digging that hole for yourself, Pudz.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator
That tag line is your ID!
Steve spews:
Thirtysix for Pudz, six for Steve.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator:
Nope. Even when headless lucy called me that I sloughed it off my back…
But when you accuse me of bestiality, something totally abhorrent in the Bible.. I draw the line.
Steve spews:
So what’s it like for everything you ever believed in to turn to shit, Pudz? Marvin took it pretty hard, you know. So sad.
Steve spews:
Thirtyeight for Pudz, six for Steve.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator,
No it hasn’t. I’m still a conservative, only the Republican Party leaders like Ted Stevens became just like Robert Byrd.
Steve spews:
Puddy fucks goats.
Steve spews:
Forty for Pudz, seven for Steve.
I’ve got some catching up to do.
Steve spews:
@62 Hell, I’m the conservative. You’re just fucked up, Pudz. There’s nothing conservative about being fucked up.
K spews:
My last words on this one, Pud becaused as I said it is rather tiresome. An exchange takes two. You gleefully rolled in the mud and then proclaim how clean you are. Well have fun with it but don’t pretend you are not participating. Note I do not say you are alone or originating. But you are perpetuating, and denying.
Steve spews:
@66 My sincere apologies if I’ve offended you.
YLB spews:
Steve, Stupes won’t ever turn on one of his own. Ever, ever, ever…
He says he’ll think about it if everybody denounces Headless Lucy who made some Michael Richards-like outbursts around Katrina time.
I mean this guy is nuts. He even keeps a tally of people who have denounced HL. It’s at 5 or 6 and this fool is waiting for it to get to 75 or something stupid like that.
That’s such fucking right wing bullshit. Like all right wingers he just wants people who deplore his views to dance to his tune. He’s a hopeless authoritarian. His right wing bullshit is turning off voters in droves but he can validate himself if he can con people into following his orders.
Steve, at the end of the day, some people are just freaking crazy!
Puddybud spews:
K – Whatever. Results 1 – 10 of about 145 from horsesass.org for steve goat.
Puddybud spews:
yelling loser boy – ever look in the mirror?
Nooooooooo… the view is too shocking.
Puddybud spews:
yelling loser boy… Never turn on one of my own?
Look up my denouncement of JCH – fool. I have said other things about righties I didn’t agree with. Butt nary a word from yelling loser boy.
That’s why I get along with SeattleJew, and why you are detestable like Steve, HAs preeminent goat herder and goatbutt tightness evaluator.
You are so delusional you are stupid!
Steve spews:
@68 Interesting that you mention ‘authoritarian’. I don’t consider our trolls to be conservatives, not even Republicans, except perhaps in as much as they stole the name. I rather see our trolls as simple, immature droolers, longing for a totalitarian state in which they dream of playing some small, jack-booted role. Judging from the pedophile site, probably some role that involves abusing the children of liberals. Me? I admit that I’ve got a thing for abusing trolls. I know I’ve got a bit of a mean streak when it comes to that. But I’m hoping to make some small contribution to a better world that way. Or at least to a better HA.
Puddybud spews:
Posted under fair use just like Pelletizer throws his crap up here.
The Blagojevich Timeline: Everything Fits Easily Except Obama’s Monday Denial.
Most people have misunderstood the timeline of the Blagojevich Senate scandal. Pretty much everything fits except Barack Obama’s statement yesterday that he knew nothing about it.
If we didn’t have Obama’s denial to contend with, the actions of all the parties, including those purporting to speak for Obama, are consistent with Obama and his staff learning about Blagojevich’s corrupt plans on Monday, Nov. 10.
Consider the timeline, as revealed in the complaint and press reports:
1. On the weekend of Nov. 8-9, Obama lets it be known that his choice for Senate is Valerie Jarrett. Aides tell WLS-TV in Chicago and CNN, which announces Obama’s choice on Sunday. Nov. 9.
2. On Monday, Nov. 10, Blagojevich holds an incredible 2-hour conference call with multiple consultants: “ROD BLAGOJEVICH, his wife, JOHN HARRIS, Governor General Counsel, and various Washington-D.C. based advisors, including Advisor B,” discussing his corrupt schemes. He follows this with two calls with Advisor A.
3. That very night, Monday, Nov. 10, at 7:56pm, CNN reported:
Two Democratic sources close to President-elect Barack Obama tell CNN that top adviser Valerie Jarrett will not be appointed to replace him in the U.S. Senate.
“While he (Obama) thinks she would be a good senator, he wants her in the White House,” one top Obama advisor told CNN Monday.
Over the weekend, Democratic sources had told CNN as well as Chicago television station WLS-TV that Jarrett was Obama’s choice to fill his Senate seat.
So what happened? The likeliest scenario is that one of the many participants in Blagojevich’s Monday phone calls either floated his plans to the Obama transition team to assess their response or tipped off the Obama camp about the reckless ideas that Blagojevich had planned.
In any event, within hours of Blagojevich substantially expanding his circle of confidants, the Obama camp withdrew Jarrett’s name from consideration and attributed that withdrawal to the President’s wanting Jarrett in the White House. And the Obama staffers went out of their way to depict this as Obama’s choice, rather than Jarrett’s, which would have been more common. The report claims Obama’s involvement in the decision and suggests a direct effort to undercut the idea that Obama was pressuring Blagojevich to appoint Jarrett.
4. Moreover, by the next day, Tuesday, Nov. 11, Blagojevich already had received his answer from the Obama camp that no quid pro quo would be forthcoming: “ROD BLAGOJEVICH said he knows that the President-elect wants Senate Candidate 1 for the Senate seat but ‘they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation. F**k them.’”
5. On Wednesday, Nov. 12, Blagojevich pitched his corrupt bargain idea to an SEIU Official who, according to Ben Smith, is President Andy Stern. Stern agreed to convey the offer to the relevant actors. Blagojevich understood Stern to be contacting Jarrett herself, the co-chairwoman of the Obama transition team:
109. On November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH spoke with SEIU Official, who was in Washington, D.C. Prior intercepted phone conversations indicate that approximately a week before this call, ROD BLAGOJEVICH met with SEIU Official to discuss the vacant Senate seat, and ROD BLAGOJEVICH understood that SEIU Official was an emissary to discuss Senate Candidate 1’s interest in the Senate seat.
During the conversation with SEIU Official on November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH informed SEIU Official that he had heard the President-elect wanted persons other than Senate Candidate 1 to be considered for the Senate seat.
SEIU Official stated that he would find out if Senate Candidate 1 wanted SEIU Official to keep pushing her for Senator with ROD BLAGOJEVICH. ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that “one thing I’d be interested in” is a 501(c)(4) organization.
ROD BLAGOJEVICH explained the 501(c)(4) idea to SEIU Official and said that the 501(c)(4) could help “our new Senator [Senate Candidate 1].” SEIU Official agreed to “put that flag up and see where it goes.”
110. On November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH talked with Advisor B. ROD BLAGOJEVICH told Advisor B that he told SEIU Official, “I said go back to [Senate Candidate 1], and, and say hey, look, if you still want to be a Senator don’t rule this out and then broach the idea of this 501(c)(4) with her.”
6. The complaint doesn’t say whether Stern contacted Jarrett or other members of the Obama transition team, but it is likely that he did. Whether Stern was horrified by Blagojevich’s corrupt idea and wanted to warn Obama or intrigued by the deal and wanted to assess its chances, I can’t think of a good reason why Stern wouldn’t have conveyed the idea to the Obama camp.
7. On Thursday, Nov. 13:
ROD BLAGOJEVICH asked Advisor A to call Individual A and have Individual A pitch the idea of the 501(c)(4) to “[President-elect Advisor].” Advisor A said that, “while it’s not said this is a play to put in play other things.” ROD BLAGOJEVICH responded, “correct.” Advisor A asked if this is “because we think there’s still some life in [Senate Candidate 1] potentially?” ROD BLAGOJEVICH said, “not so much her, but possibly her. But others.”
8. If, as seems likely, Individual A then pitched Blagojevich’s corrupt bargain to the “President-elect Advisor” and that advisor is Rahm Emanuel, as has been suggested by others, then Emanuel would then have known of the bribery attempt.
9. By 6:10pm on Friday, Nov. 14, CNN is reporting:
Valerie Jarrett tells CNN contributor Roland Martin that President-elect Barack Obama offered and she accepted a position in the Obama administration – she will be the Senior Adviser to the President and Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison.
10. Nov. 14 to early December: After occasionally feeding speculation about who might fill Obama’s seat, the Obama transition team suddenly goes remarkably silent about his preference.
11. On Nov. 23, Obama’s “senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago,” answering a question about the Senate seat.
While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a “kingmaker,” Axelrod said, “I know he’s talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them.”
Note the language used. While on Nov. 9, Obama staffers were telling multiple news outlets whom Obama wanted for his Senate seat, by Nov. 23, Axelrod was distancing Obama not only from any individual choice, but he used the pejorative term “kingmaker” to emphasize Obama’s avoidance of any even marginally corrupt influence. It is likely that Axelrod had in mind the corrupt bargain that Obama’s camp had already turned down.
12. On Tuesday, Dec. 9, Obama denies personal knowledge of the corrupt proposal.
“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”
As I’ve said before, as with Bill Clinton, Barack Obama’s words should be read carefully to see what he is saying and not saying. Apparently, Obama started to say that “we were not” “aware of what was happening,” but corrected himself by saying that “I was not aware of what was happening.”
That language leaves open the possibility that his staff was aware, but he personally was not. But why would Obama’s staff withhold information from him? I assume that Obama is telling the truth about not having spoken to the governor himself, since that might be easily refuted.
CONCLUSION:
From the evening of Nov. 10 until yesterday, Blagojevich, Obama, and his transition team acted in ways that are consistent with a knowledge of Blagojevich’s bribery attempt and a rejection of that attempt. What doesn’t fit easily with the timeline is Obama’s statement yesterday.
It should be noted that it is not a crime to fail to report a bribery attempt. The federal misprision of felony statute would seem to make it a federal crime to fail to report a federal felony:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. 18 USC s.4.
But case law has conclusively determined that mere non-reporting is not enough. Active concealment or the acceptance of a benefit for concealing is required.
Yet, looking at this timeline of Blagogate, it seems quite possible that someone in the Obama Camp is either lying or at least not revealing what they know. I also find it hard to believe that Obama’s closest advisors were hiding major corruption from him, especially as he was making decisions about where to place Senate candidates such as Jarrett.
Something important is missing from this story. Let’s hope that, whatever it is, the absent fact or explanation will allow the narrative to fit Obama’s denial more naturally.
Since by all accounts, the Obama camp refused Blagojevich’s bribery attempt, it would be extremely unwise to lie about it. Remember, it’s not the crime that trips you up; it’s the cover-up.
UPDATE: My parsing of Obama’s statement above gets some strong support from this LA Times interview, noted by Byron York:
It hasn’t gotten a huge amount of coverage, but Obama did an interview with the Los Angeles Times yesterday. He said he had never talked about the Senate seat with Rod Blagojevich. But when he was asked whether his staff had, he clammed up. From the interview:
Q: Have you ever spoken to [Illinois] Gov. [Rod R.] Blagojevich about the Senate seat?
Obama: I have not discussed the Senate seat with the governor at any time. My strong belief is that it needed to be filled by somebody who is going to represent the people of Illinois and fight for them. And beyond that, I was focused on the transition.
Q: And that was before and after the election?
Obama: Yes.
Q: Are you aware of any conversations between Blagojevich or [chief of staff] John Harris and any of your top aides, including Rahm [Emanuel]?
Obama: Let me stop you there because . . . it’s an ongoing…. investigation. I think it would be inappropriate for me to, you know, remark on the situation beyond the facts that I know. And that’s the fact that I didn’t discuss this issue with the governor at all.
So I was correct that Obama was indeed drawing a distinction between what he knew and what his staff might have known.
As I said above, there is something missing here. It wouldn’t surprise me if Obama staffers were working with the prosecutors (from the week of Nov. 10th on), a possibility suggested in comments below. But it would surprise me if Obama staffers went to the feds without telling Obama.
http://volokh.com/
Steve spews:
Fortythree to seven, Pudz leads.
YLB spews:
JCH huh? The only right wing loser who was so fucking crazy he was banned from here.
Ok. I’ll give you some credit. I was going to disagree with Lee. I was going to proclaim YOU, head and freaking shoulders above anybody, the MOST STUPID FUCKING GUY IN THE ROOM.
But no! I’ll have to agree with Lee after all. JCH was more stupid than you.
But not by as much as you might like.
Steve spews:
I think there’s a black helicopter flying over Puddy’s head right now.
Steve spews:
@75 Hey, wait a sec…, someone dumber than Stupes???
Puddybud spews:
Wow yelling loser boy…
Ready to take that IQ test? Lee never answered my challenge, remember?
$100 and SeattleJew holds the money…
Since you “claim” to be so smart…
Put up or shut up!
Puddybud spews:
Black Helicopters…
Well the color is correct.
Puddybud spews:
And when yelling loser boy steps up to the plate for his idiot savant IQ measurement, I get to meet the loser…
Steve spews:
I don’t believe that under fair use you can post the entire article, Pudz. I do believe that you can copy a portion of it for the purpose of comment and criticism. It looks like you’ve posted the entire article and have offered neither comment nor critcism. You’re busted, Pudz. Maybe Roger will take your case.
YLB spews:
76 – Yeah I know Steve that it’s just about impossible to believe ANYONE could exceed Stupes in the dumbass department.
But JCH was that guy for sure!
Steve spews:
@80 Are you into some IQ contest or something? This is the world-wide web, you know. It’s probably not wise to brag about having a 136 IQ, Pudz. That’d be begging for a dose of humiliation.
Steve spews:
@82 Well then, my bet is that JCH fucks goats.
YLB spews:
80 – Never going to happen. I have not the least scintilla of intention to ever be in the same room with the likes of you.
This comment board is as close as it gets.
Puddybud spews:
yelling loser boy…
I figgered you’d be a chicken.
I figgered you to be a dumbtard!
Puddybud spews:
Steve, you are truly dumb. I guess you forgot what Lee started a few days ago.
Of course, if it doesn’t involve horned four legged animals… you forget.
And Steve, where did I claim I had a 136 IQ?
Putz!
Puddybud spews:
Hey Steve, volokh is a blogger. I gave him attribution.
YLB spews:
86 – You’d subtract from my life Stupes. So forget you.
Steve spews:
Sorry, but I don’t read every thread. What’s the deal with IQ’s?
136 was just a number that someone stupid like you might think is high, but really isn’t.
Steve spews:
@88 I don’t believe attribution is enough, but I’m an engineer, not a lawyer. However, I did the same thing you did and the post was scrubbed from the HA site. Further, I do know that I don’t have to copyright my own architectural/engineering drawings for them to be protected under copyright law. I’ve thought for some time that this subject is worthy of some discussion here so we all know the law as it applies to HA posts. Roger seems to know the copyright law and I would defer to him on the subject.
Puddybud spews:
yelling loser boy – it would be no contest mi pendejo chingador!
Roger Rabbit spews:
Damn, putz, you’re gonna fuck that goat to death. Then you’ll have to use liver.
Rick D. spews:
..and as we all know, Roadkill Bunny wants his turn at the goat before it’s dead. per usual.
HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,HAR,
YLB spews:
94 – Little Ricky Dumbass. Loser. Believer in right wing fairy tales.
Remember Larry Sinclair?
Little Ricky Dumbass.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@81 Hell no, I won’t take that case or represent that idiot. Think I want to screw up my won-loss percentage? Besides, I prefer to represent clients with some class, which putz doesn’t have any of.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Little Rickie Dumbass @94 Get serious! You think there’s a shortage of cute female bunnies? You haven’t been outdoors lately, have you?
I-Burn spews:
@97
“You think there’s a shortage of cute female bunnies? You haven’t been outdoors lately, have you?”
Perhaps so, however the biological imperative is to perpetuate the species. So those cute bunnies are going to be looking for a strong, virile young male with whom to mate. Not a tired, old, jack like yourself.
correctnotright spews:
Moron Puddy: Have you read the actual transcript from the FBI? Here it is:
“ROD BLAGOJEVICH said he knows that the President-elect wants Senate Candidate 1 for the open seat but “they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation. Fuck them.” ”
Can it be ANY more clear than THAT? So much for you and your sorry and pathetic attempts to go after Obama. Learn TO READ! It will really help you from spreading bullshit lies propagated by the rightwingnuts.
Also, spreading lies and false rumors was considered to be a crime worthy of DEATH BY STONING in the old testament. Remember that the next time you post lies and try to insinuate false charges.
John Barelli spews:
Puddy?
Let me help you out a bit by just thanking you in front of everyone here for summarizing the situation so neatly at the end of your post:
Apparently it is your contention that Mr. Obama had no direct talks with Governor Blagojevich, and that if his staff received any hint of corruption from Governor Blagojevich, they immediately alerted the appropriate authorities. They probably notified Mr. Obama, but carefully did not get him directly involved with the situation.
Also, Mr. Obama, wishing to tell the truth, but not wanting to improperly leak information about an ongoing case, is carefully wording his statements towards that end.
Ok, works for me.
Mr. Cynical spews:
Wow, Steve (formerly known as ByeByeGOP…the only Leftist Pinhead in the history of blogging to be banned from a Leftist Pinhead Blog!)
steve certainly enlights the average reader, doesn’t he….just like he did as ByeBye.
Sheeesh…a Leftist Pinhead banned from a Leftist Pinhead Blog. Now that’s mighty LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
Steve…has it ever dawned on you that you are a loooooooooooser? Probably not…your the only one on this Blog who doesn’t see it.
Steve spews:
@101 Somebody push your button? I hope you understand that I don’t give a shit about you or your fucking delusions.
I have a selfish idea. How about spewing some more racist bullshit about black mayors. You see, I enjoy watching Puddy act the coward when he’s confronted with racism.
Puddybud spews:
John Barelli: The only thing the Volokh post does is ask who knew what and when. If the political shoe was on the other foot y’all would be screaming all over the place wanting blood. I want to know was it Rahmbo who dropped the dime?
Puddybud spews:
Cynical@101, Steve forgets who brought up the goat issue first.
Steve always delivers a goat to a thread.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, the only coward on this blog is you, moron.
Twice I was challenged by byebyegoober and while I showed up he ran with his tail tween his legs.
Puddybud spews:
Steve, you retard. Racist crap about black mayors?
You mean Street of Philly; Kilpatrick of Deeeeeeeeeetroit, Young of Deeeeeeeeeeetroit who taught us the power of swearing…
Even Obama blew off meeting with the Black Mayors this year. Puddy remembers
Steve spews:
Puddy, when you show up calling people like YLB names right out of the box, how could you possibly turn around and take offence when somebody does the exact same thing to you? Is there some degree of offence that you calculate before you take exception? Or is it simply OK when you do it but you then whine whenever somebody dishes it out in your direction? If you want to call people names, be prepared to take as well as you give or get the fuck out of here.
We’re waiting for you on the other thread. You have a meeting of the minds with Troll that’s been long overdue.
Steve spews:
@105 What’s that, some kind of cheap threat?
@106 You’re really not much of a man, are you?
Puddybud spews:
Steve, go back and review the HA tapes. You’ll see who endured the name calling for a long time before I returned the favor.
Ask yelling loser boy what his original pet name was for me as For The Clueless.
Go on moron!
Puddybud spews:
Steve, you can take it any way you want. That’s life ain’t it.
Ask GBS what type of guy I am. Better yet, ask the HA Drinking Libtardly crowd. Many of them met me, more than once.
YLB spews:
The first notice I took of Stupes when he threw around the slurs “democrap”, “democrapic” and “moveon.pork”.
I mean on a liberal blog this moron really meant to endear himself.
Then he’d go to (un)SP and call the people here idiots who made a call on the legal issues surrounding the Governor’s election contest – the same people who were completely vindicated when Bridges made his decision.
This fool brought it all on himself.
YLB spews:
Better yet, ask the HA Drinking Libtardly crowd.
Perfect example. Why would anyone intentionally want to hang out with a schmuck who denigrates their views like this?
Puddybud spews:
Steve, notice how yelling loser boy can’t answer?
Guilty as charged fool!
HAs most clueless idiot.
Puddybud spews:
moveon.pork – they became the warm man-made kool-aid site
democraptic – response to jackbooted goosestepping fascist. I like Donkey now. Fits you to a tee jackass.
yelling loser boy – the fool who swims in his own muck
Mr. Cynical spews:
104. Puddybud spews:
Steve, formerly known as ByebyeGOP the only Leftist Pinhead ever in history banned from a Leftist Pinhead Blog, is a bit bent out of shape by smooth-talkin’, Mr. Cool, President-elect MoFo duping him about taxing the heck out of successful guys like us and giving it to lazy bastards like him.
Steve aka ByeBye is churning & burning inside with rage. The poison in his system is eating him up causing endless visions of goat fornication.
I think Steve aka ByeBye is more insane the Blago the Serb!
Rick D. spews:
@ 97
Dunno. You’re the one fucking goats for sport so I’m not sure how the cute female bunnies subject came up (so to speak).
Mrs. W's class spews:
I’ve gone through the rabies vaccination, which is only a 3 shot series. That was one of the most painful things I’ve gone through: I couldn’t raise my arms above my shoulders for 2 days.
Sorry Santa. I hope Mrs. Permit-Carrying-Bobcat-Lover is willing to step forward.