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by Lee — Thursday, 7/3/08, 12:24 pm

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  1. 1

    YellowPup spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 12:32 pm

    LOL. Brilliant.

    On their map, is that a little island around Salt Lake City that has escaped “Complete Devastation”?

  2. 2

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 12:53 pm

    This is fantastic. Of course it couldn’t ever completely detail how big a disaster the Bush Regime has been for America.

  3. 3

    I-Burn spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 1:37 pm

    Infantile!

  4. 4

    CJS spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 1:37 pm

    As he arrived for a campaign stop in North Dakota, Mr. Obama told reporters on Thursday that he intended to conduct “a thorough assessment” of his Iraq policy during a forthcoming trip to the country. He stressed that he has long called for a careful and responsible withdrawal of American forces, but he declined to offer a fresh endorsement of his plan to remove one to two combat brigades a month.

    “My 16-month timeline, if you examine everything that I’ve said, was always premised on making sure that our troops were safe,” he said. “I said that based on the information that we had received from our commanders that one to two brigades a month could be pulled out safely, from a logistical perspective. My guiding approach continues to be that we’ve got to make sure that our troops are safe and that Iraq is stable.”
    ******************

    Of course, this was view that Samantha Power shared in March:

    ******************
    “What he’s actually said, after meting with the generals and meeting with intelligence professionals, is that you – at best case scenario – will be able to withdraw one to two combat brigades each month. That’s what they’re telling him. He will revisit it when he becomes president,” Power says.

    ******************

    and caught a bunch of heat for. Inch by tiny inch . . .

  5. 5

    Blue John spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 2:22 pm

    Open thread, Yahhhhh…..
    Talked to a conservative friend in the military. He’s adamantly of the opinion, that our next war will not be in Iran, it will be in Africa.
    He said Bush has sent a lot of “special forces” and “consultants” over there. A large fraction of the intel group is learning french. Something about a large development in Djibouti.
    It seemed odd to me that Bush is laying the ground work, so Obama can invade, for “Humanitarian’ reasons.
    When asked about China, who I feel is the real looming threat, he said that they are not strong enough yet. That, and we devalued our currency as a way of wrecking their economy, as a way of crippling them.

  6. 6

    Daddy Love spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 2:30 pm

    4 CJ

    I don’t know what you’re saying, dude. Are you implying that because he did not repeat the words “one to two combat brigades a month,” that Barack Obama is walking back his earlier position?

    That’s pretty weak. Come back when he actually says something different. But if it was one brigade every two months being withdrawn, so what? Of course, by the time he is inaugurated it will be nearly two years since he said the original line. Unlike Bush, Barack Obama is capable of changing his mind. Unlike John McCain, he doesn’t do it every couple of months and then lie about it.

    It’s like this:
    McCain=Staying in Iraq for 100 years
    Obama=Ending our bloody and useless occupation

    That’s the bottom line.

  7. 7

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 2:40 pm

    That cunt Sin dee McCain is spending 750k A FUCKING MONTH on her AMEX. This is the person who’s going to look out for the common man? Don’t bet on it.

  8. 8

    CJS spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 2:43 pm

    I don’t know what you’re saying, dude.

    Curtis,

    Not implying anything. I think he’s being pretty clear and saying exactly what Powers had said. And his language is certainly getting lots of attention, for what that’s worth. And with good reason. His original plan is very clear and unequivocal about withdrawal, with no caveats whatsoever (indeed, the words “safe” and “stable” don’t even appear in the pdf). Let’s stayed tuned, eh?

  9. 9

    Daddy Love spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 2:55 pm

    8 CJ

    Again: huh?

    Samantha Power, associated with the campaign, says something in her official capacity.

    Barack Obama says something similar.

    Your point being…?

  10. 10

    Daddy Love spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 2:57 pm

    Looks like the total private sector jobs gained during Bush’s entire eight years in office may fall below 3 million by November.

    The annual average over all of the Clinton years was 2.6 million net jobs gained. 2.6 million jobs a year!

    What a chump. And McCain is all about “stay the course.” That his plan. Of course, neither Bush nor McCain can count past ten without using his feet.

  11. 11

    CJS spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 3:04 pm

    Curtis,

    My point being . . . that Obama may well end up changing his unequivocal campaign pledge. Now let’s stay tuned and see what develops . . .

  12. 12

    JamesC spews:

    Thursday, 7/3/08 at 5:57 pm

    Looks like the total private sector jobs gained during Bush’s entire eight years in office may fall below 3 million by November.

    The annual average over all of the Clinton years was 2.6 million net jobs gained. 2.6 million jobs a year!

    —————-

    This data is based on the BLS payroll surveys, which are always a subject of controversy because of the difficulty of what they’re trying to measure. Also, these surveys don’t capture a growing segment of worker – those who work out of their homes or are otherwise self-employed. The USLD household survey focuses on this group.

  13. 13

    Daddy Love spews:

    Friday, 7/4/08 at 8:26 am

    11 CJ

    It sounds to me that you want to imply that Barack Obama is changing his stance (which he isn’t), but that you don’t have the stones to say so out loud. You should probably nut up a little and say what you have to say. Take a stand.

    And realize that like McCain’s other attacks this one already has come to nothing.

  14. 14

    Daddy Love spews:

    Friday, 7/4/08 at 8:36 am

    12 JC

    Payroll/household my ass.

    We are talking about 2.6 million jobs a year created under Clinton (therefore over eight years we have 2.6 million x 8 years = 20,800,000: nearly 21 million net jobs created under Clinton.

    Contrast with fewer than 3 million net created in eight long years of the Boy Retard.

    So your statement is bullshit for two reasons:
    1. If the payroll measure is used for both administrations, which it was, then we are looking at an apples-to-apples comparison, which is absolutely fair.
    2. If the measures are different, it helps Bush ONLY if you can somehow show that there are real jobs that this has missed, and that there are far more missed in this fashion under Bush than under Clinton, which you have not done.

    You’re trying to allude to some difference that you cannot demonstrate. It’s weak and lame.

    The real story here the a difference of seven times as many jobs created under Clinton than unde Bush. Bush is a miserable failure, and if you think that your ‘household survey’ can rescue him, give it your best shot.

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