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Open Thread 1/30

by Carl Ballard — Thursday, 1/30/14, 7:50 am

– Big Burke-Gilman Trail detours coming soon on UW campus

– Something, something executive orders are horrible. AKA, another GOP talking point doesn’t hold up to reality.

– Too bad Republicans like McMorris Rodgers want to deny most Americans the same right.

– And more McMorris Rogers SOTU response commentary, from a constituent.

– Prayer is practice. Praying is a kind of becoming. The Trappists who pray for sustenance and redemption are sustained and redeemed. At the International House of Prayer, worshippers call for conquest and destruction. Those prayers, alas, do not always go unfulfilled.

– The State Of The Union may have finally killed the stupid Iran sanctions bill.

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  1. 1

    GMan spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 8:59 am

    Republicans denying Americans to rights, that’s just the beginning. Freedom with regulation, but not on bussiness, just the person trying to live a life and puruse happines.

  2. 2

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 12:15 pm

    Yep, Democrats give you a raise, Republicans tell you to pray, that’s par for the course. I’ll take the money, thanks.

  3. 3

    Smelly Bob spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 12:40 pm

    McMorris’s voice and demeanor somehow reminded me of a six year old Shirley Temple. The furrowed brow, piping voice, and fake concern. All in all, a terrible performance.

    She kept talking about the superior plans of the Republicans, but failed to mention even one.

    It was odd, but she was definitely easier to take than some of the petulant Republican igno’s who’ve done it in the past.

  4. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 2:12 pm

    @3 Yes, but it’ll sell to the gullible, which is what most Republican voters are.

  5. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 2:30 pm

    Amanda Knox has been re-convicted of murder by an Italian court. At this point, it’s a little tricky to figure out what it means for her.

    Without doubt, she’ll appeal, and there’s always the chance a higher court will reverse this verdict. She and her lawyers maintain there’s no evidence of her guilt; in an American court, a verdict unsupported by substantial evidence normally would be reversed by appellate court on those grounds.

    But let’s assume for a moment the verdict of the Italian retrial stands. Then the question becomes whether (1) Italy seeks extradition, and if it does, whether (2) the U.S. grants or refuses extradition. The U.S. does have an extradition treaty with Italy, but I’ve seen it argued in the media (citing legal experts) that the U.S. would refuse extradition in her case because the retrial constitutes double jeopardy.

    I’m no expert on Italian law, and I’m reluctant to question the legal opinions of bona fide experts on extradition, but it’s not clear to me this is double jeopardy. My understanding goes like this:

    1. Knox was convicted by an Italian trial court.
    2. The verdict was said aside and a finding of innocence was entered by an Italian intermediate appellate court.
    3. The intermediate appellate court’s decision was set aside by Italy’s highest court, which remanded the case for a new trial.
    4. Knox was convicted in the retrial.

    Under the U.S. system, this is not double jeopardy. A murder defendant (or any other defendant) whose conviction is vacated on appeal can be retried if a higher court sets aside the intermediate appellate decision but, instead of reinstating the original conviction, orders the trial court to retry the case. That is not double jeopardy under our system, and if that’s what happened in Italy, which is what it looks like to me (superficially, anyway), then I don’t see why U.S. authorities would refuse extradition on those grounds.

    However, that still leaves open the possibility of the U.S. refusing extradition on some other grounds. Right now, I don’t want to speculate what those grounds might be, but I’m sure her lawyers will argue any grounds that might exist if Italy does seek extradition.

    Overall, I think the odds are very small that she will spend more time in Italian prisons. But unless this verdict, too, is set aside by a higher Italian court, it will be a sword of Damacles hanging over her. Even if Italy doesn’t seek extradition, or the U.S. refuses extradition, she could not travel outside the U.S. without putting herself at risk of being seized by the authorities of another country and handed over to Italy. Like Dick Cheney, she’ll have to write a European vacation off her bucket list.

  6. 6

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 6:10 pm

    The scumbags at MSNBC did it again. Once again the intolerance of the network of HA DUMBASS DUMMOCRETINS strikes again!

  7. 7

    ekim spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 6:51 pm

    GOATBOY, THE SPAWN OF SATAN @6 is more lucid than usual in his gibberish. Astounding.

  8. 8

    ekim spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 7:01 pm

    GOATBOY, THE SPAWN OF SATAN, is going to be even more upset by Rachel and her analysis of the SOTU address. Her point is that, of all the items Obama mentioned, raising the minimum wage is resonating and unless the RETHUGS can stop it, it is going to be the big issue in the midterm elections. In all areas of the country it is an extremely popular issue, and more to the point, resonates strongest in the South where pay sucks the most. Can you say Southern strategy?

  9. 9

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 8:06 pm

    I wonder which nugget of truth about republicans and conservatives has sent the person who pretends to be Puddy into such a pointless rant?

  10. 10

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 9:54 pm

    @ 9

    Perhaps it’s watching one of his favorite White Supremacist Congressmen completely melt down over a simple question. The man is trying so hard to weave a credible lie that he’s tripping all over himself while digging deeper into his bullshit mine. It really is psychotic behavior.

    What a fuckin utter TOOL this guy is.

  11. 11

    Liberal Scientist is the "Most vile leftist on this blog!" spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 10:53 pm

    @9, 10

    I think it was a tweet about a breakfast cereal commercial recently that featured a biracial family. An MSNBC staffer tweeted that it was going to piss off rightwingers. The right wing noise machine went into apoplexy mode and is having the vapors while demanding vengeance.

    More details here.

    A similar commercial last year resulted in rightwing racist hysteria.

    Puddibigot is once again full of shit, rebellowing the latest from the rightwing victim industry.

  12. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 11:32 pm

    @10 The pathetic thing about that is Farmer Huelskamp* believes he won that argument.

    * At last! I’ve finally found a Republican Moron Congress Critter who isn’t a lawyer! This one is easy to explain: He breathed too much methane gas. That’s a major occupational hazard of farming, you know.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1594986

  13. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 11:40 pm

    I have some actual breaking news: State senate Republicans have made an “about face” on the Dream Act and announced this evening they will support its passage. Seattle Times posted the story on their website about two hours ago.

  14. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Thursday, 1/30/14 at 11:45 pm

    ST also reports tonight the Microsoft board is “close to naming” Satya Nadella as Ballmer’s replacement in the CEO job. And also is considering replacing Bill Gates in the chairman job.

  15. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 12:59 am

    Useless College Degrees Dep’t

    Conservatives keep reminding us that if college grads can’t get jobs it’s their own damn fault for not going to engineering or business school, so here’s a rundown on tragic cases of educational misfits whose lives turned into miserable failures because they chose the wrong college major:

    Misfit #1: College Major: English. Miserable Failure: Mitt Romney

    Misfit #2: College Major: Classics. Miserable Failure: Ted Turner

    Misfit #3: College Major: History and American literature. Miserable Failure: Conan O’Brien

    Misfit #4: College Major: Medieval history and philosophy. Miserable Failure: Carly Fiorini

    Misfit #5: College Major: French and classics. Miserable Failure: J. K. Rowling

    Misfit #6: College Major: English. Miserable Failure: Steven Speilberg

    Misfit #7: College Major: Philosophy. Miserable Failure: Stewart Butterfield

    Misfit #8: College Major: History. Miserable Failure: Lloyd Blankenfein

    Misfit #9: College Major: Psychology. Miserable Failure: Jon Stewart

    Misfit #10: College Major: Psychology and economics. Miserable Failure: Jamie Dimon

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....ostpopular

    And then, of course, there are these two quintessential misfits:

    College Dropouts: Bill Gates Jr. and Paul Allen

  16. 16

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 3:04 am

    5)Interesting, and if their Supreme Court throws this one out, it would be a 4th trial. Although I would probably never be in this situation, this still would be a reason I will never visit the old country. (I am Italian and German on my father’s side) It will be a year at least for the next phase before the supreme court plays out.

  17. 17

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 3:12 am

    The Hong Kong tycoon that offered millions to any man that would marry his Lesbian daughter, has taken the offer off the table. He still doesn’t accept the daughter’s girlfriend. There are things that money can’t buy.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/30/.....index.html

  18. 18

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 4:03 am

    So Puddy was right as always. HA DUMBASS DUMMOCRETINS fully agree with MSNBC. Instead it’s vitriolic ad hominem attacks on Puddy.

    Typical so typical! The network of race baiting is A-OK with HA DUMBASS DUMMOCRETINS.

  19. 19

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 4:18 am

    BTW, the SOTU had the lowest viewer ratings since Clinton’s 2000 address. From leftist rag Politico…

    By DYLAN BYERS |
    1/29/14 5:07 PM EST

    Fewer than 33.3 million Americans watched President Obama’s State of the Union address on television last night, the lowest turnout since President Clinton’s final State of the Union address in 2000, according to newly released Nielsen ratings.Americans are ralzing what a loser Obummer is! Low ratings… Not trust in his words. But he’l investigate for 4 years with no outcomes!

    And who cares what that moron Rachel MadCow sez ekimgoatthruster? Megan Kelly kicks her ASS every night!

  20. 20

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 4:23 am

    Ahhh yes, Jon Stewart made an ASS out of Nancy Pelosi and her jock strapping of Obummercare.

    P R I C E L E S S!

  21. 21

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 4:25 am

    Puddy’s edit missed the blockquote when re-editing. Not Part of the Politico hijack.

    Should read: Americans are realizing what a loser Obummer is! Low ratings… No trust in his words… But he’ll investigate for 4 years with no outcomes!

  22. 22

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 4:49 am

    Goodness it really sux to be a DUMBASS DUMMOCRETING eating the slimy bile from NBC and MSNBC!!!

    Watch the HA DUMMOCRETINS hijack the wrong paragraphs…

    Voters are closely divided about most of the rest of the outlets- Fox News comes in at 44/42, CBS at 39/37, CNN at 40/40, NBC at 39/39, and ABC News at 37/38. In Fox’s case 75% of Republicans trust it while only 20% of Democrats do. For all the rest of them around 60-70% of Democrats trust them, but only around 20% of Republicans do.
    The two outlets that poll the lowest on trust are Comedy Central (29/38) and MSNBC (34/44). In both of their cases the share of Republicans trusting them drops down to about 10%, even as a majority of Democrats still express faith in them.

    DUMMOCRETINS get their news from Comedy Central. Dayum… that’s funny!

  23. 23

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 4:50 am

    And Obummercare hits home to the common man!

  24. 24

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 6:50 am

    Henry Waxman (DUMMOCRETIN) CA… Retiring… Good riddance!

  25. 25

    Liberal Scientist is the "Most vile leftist on this blog!" spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 7:23 am

    I see the bigot has been masturbating to Steve DOOOOCEY again this morning.

    Rightard splooge everywhere. Ugh.

    Retread Weekly Standard bullshit about the horrors of Obamacare that no one is paying attention to, and that fades in the face of the dominant narrative of people getting insurance. That, and more data that Republicans are deluded – the implications of which puddibigot clearly does not understand.

    It’s really rather pathetic how impotent he is.

    Go back to Steve, puddibigot, or do you get off on the short, squat guy more?

  26. 26

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 9:38 am

    @ 24

    HE’s actually one of the most effective and respected members of the House of Representatives in modern history. Even the few “normal” Republicans in the House say so.

    He certainly runs rings around any TeaBaggista your ilk have put up for office. Most of them won’t see a third term. The favored Presidential candidate for the next election has already completely melted down. Why don’t you put up Sarah Palin again and see how that works out for you.

  27. 27

    Smelly Bob spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 9:57 am

    @22 — “DUMBASS DUMMOCRETING” Think before you speak. I know that you can’t use spellcheck on a made up language. Did you and your twin have fun with that as kids??

  28. 28

    czechsaaz spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 1:27 pm

    Someone linked to the Maddow piece this morning so I watched it. Funny, even in states with Republican leadership, minimum wage is popular. It pointed out while Christie won re-election, voters overwhelmingly overturned his veto of a wage hike on the same ballot. There’s a bloody field worth of losing Republican candidates who opposed minimum wage hikes.

    but Piddles ignores it, cause it was on MSNBC.

    Come.out against wage hikes (or even more suicidal, against the minimum wage entirely) and her run I er by voters. Mmmmkay.

  29. 29

    czechsaaz spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 1:41 pm

    Speaking of Christie, his lifelong friends and appointees are jumping ship.

    Christie Knew About Lane Closure

    There’s something about Jersey being unable to elect someone, regardless of party, who isn’t fighting to stay out of prison by the end of the term.

  30. 30

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 1:44 pm

    I see the bigot has been masturbating to Steve DOOOOCEY again this morning

    Wrong again dickweed. Starting your marijuana smoking early today we see. Lately I’ve been going to work at 5AM so Puddy doesn’t have time to watch TV. Getting to job done, one system at a time!

    Sux to be you!

  31. 31

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 1:52 pm

    Retread Weekly Standard bullshit about the horrors of Obamacare that no one is paying attention to

    Really smegma dickweed? Really? FACTS always makes ASSHOLES like smegma dickweed look as stooooooooooooopid as smegma dickweed really is!

    So easy peasy! Impotence, from the silly mind of smegma dickweed on any blog 24×7.

  32. 32

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 1:57 pm

    A fitting name… Smelly Bob. Who knew?

  33. 33

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 2:03 pm

    Yes, Republicans admit Waxman is smart… not like your standard DUMMOCRETIN Congress-man/woman! But his retirement is a sign DUMMOCRETINS admitting they won’t win the congress back this year!

  34. 34

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 2:04 pm

    cause it was on MSNBC.

    ABSOFRICKINGLUTELY! PMSNBC, a train wreck every week!

  35. 35

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 2:12 pm

    Meanwhile… Another inner city with useless cops in action!

  36. 36

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 2:16 pm

    Meanwhile The Daily Caller has an interesting article… what will the black HA DUMMOCRETINS think?

    Wait… do they think? They still on the DUMMOCRETIN reservation!

    Black activists from Chicago — perhaps the president’s most obvious supporters — savaged President Obama after his State of the Union Tuesday, expressing abject frustration at an administration that “doesn’t care” and “ain’t never done anything for the community.”

    Rebel Pundit interviewed the small group of black community organizers moments after the conclusion of the president’s address on Tuesday. The activists universally panned the speech, which one referred to as “the same old, same old. A bunch of talk. A bunch of talk and rhetoric to give faith to a dying economy in America.”

    These guys just waking up that Obummer is all talk. Well Obummer was a community organizer… All talk!

  37. 37

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 2:46 pm

    Christie Knew About Lane Closure

    Looks like you jumped the gun again checkmate. The NY Slimes has changed it’s tune…

    that “evidence exists”

    Sux to be you checkmate… checkmated by the NY Slimes!

  38. 38

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 3:12 pm

    DUMMOCRETIN Mass Legislator in jail for wailing on a women for refusing sex. He didn’t resign. Standard DUMMOCRETIN war on wimens!

    Puddy tried to attach link but the HA DUMMOCRETIN filter must not like certain words together to describe DUMMOCRETIN actions!

  39. 39

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 4:02 pm

    @37 You’re right, that’s just an allegation by the crony Christie appointed to the port authority to close the bridge when Christie told him to, so who’s gonna believe him?

  40. 40

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 6:17 pm

    @ 35

    So what? That’s merely an aspect of the Police State the “Conservatives” have been drooling about for decades. I think you’d be more concerned that Sheriffs Deputies in Los Angeles and Orange Counties are beating homeless people to death with their tazers and Tonfas.

    Or setting their dogs on sleeping 88 year old women in their beds after breaking into her house in the middle of the night.

    Or dragging a man into another County to forcibly search his entire intestinal tract with the assistance of a private Hospital without a warrant.

    Or confiscating people’s cars, traveling money and other personal possessions for having too much cash on them, without a warrant.

    Or kicking people’s doors in a mass house-to-house search and dragging them bodily out of their homes when looking for “Terrorists”, without a warrant.

    Or shooting teenagers in the roof of their mouth while they’re handcuffed in the back of their squad cars.

    Or arresting and beating people for photographing or vidding them.

    According to the Police, there is no Public Property anymore. It’s now “State” property or “City” property or “County” property, and anyone can be trespassed off of it at will. If one refuses, or merely fails to obey to the officers personal satisfaction, one is now “disobeying the lawful order of a Law Enforcement Officer” which in some states, is a Felony.

    If you fail to obey their commands, even if one is deaf or unconscious, you are “failing to obey a lawful order from an officer”. This completely justifies use of deadly force.

    If you scream and put your hands up to protect yourself while they’re beating you with their Tonfas or their tazers or their fists and boots, you are “resisting arrest with violence”, also a Felony. Also a justification for the use of Deadly force.

    Police officers train on simulators that show various scenarios, such as, a 7 year old kid pointing a handgun at them, or a pregnant 14 year old girl pointing a handgun at them, or a 50 year old construction worker pointing a handgun at them, or a 80 year old woman pointing a handgun at them. The problem with that, is that humans instinctively react to facial expressions, not the apparent presence of a weapon. The face is the absolutely first thing the brain recognizes. So now, any apparently angry or distressed facial expression, as the simulators always use on the shooting subjects, becomes the instinctive trigger for the officer’s reaction with an escalation of force, including with a deadly weapon whether that subject is actually holding a weapon or not. So now you’re seeing officers shooting pregnant women, and young kids, and little old ladies that just might have a legitimate reason to be upset and be wearing those facial expressions. The training is exactly similar to Pavlovian Response, it is designed to generate an instinctive, non-thinking and very specific reaction to stimuli.

    That’s military shit, that’s soldiers training.

    Oh, and by the way. 90% of those simulator targets have non-European ethnicity.

    So, what has come out of the War on Drugs® is the total militarization of a system that was originally designed to prevent violence and robbery amongst the population. That didn’t come out of any Liberal ideology, it is purely Conservative. It is pretty specifically racist and authoritarian in nature.

    Welcome to the world the Conservative paradigm has created for you. You can’t complain when the instructional manuals the police use are being written by the same people that write for the John Birch Society or the Council for Conservative Citizens or the National Rifle Organization.

    It’s all on you baby.

  41. 41

    czechsaaz spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 6:20 pm

    @37, 39

    Christie doesn’t know Jersey Rules. When you throw an underling to the wolves either take care of his legal bills and family or make sure he’s not alive to tell tales.

  42. 42

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 6:26 pm

    So what? That’s merely an aspect of the Police State the “Conservatives” have been drooling about for decades

    It’s how libtard DUMMOCRETINS use their police state OWS Racist Fraggy.

    Man you one dumb mofo!

  43. 43

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 6:28 pm

    Christie doesn’t know Jersey Rules.

    Great tune change checkmate… The NY Slimes realized they went to judgment before the “facts” were clarified.

    You being the moron you are here on HA DUMMOCRETINS use any left wrong fish rag to spout and parrot useless points. Hung by the NY Slimes.

    Toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Daaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuum

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny

  44. 44

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 6:29 pm

    Sigh.

  45. 45

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 6:49 pm

    Interesting Editorial in the Star-Ledger about the Christie affair. I do hope Mr. Wildstein is telling the truth about this. I’ll bet a nickel he is. In any case, Christie’s political career is over and it is quite possible he could be going to prison over this.

  46. 46

    czechsaaz spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 7:24 pm

    Arguing from the POV of head in the sand. It’s the liberal times so…nothing to see.

    A handpicked for the position, lifetime ally of Christie is threatening to go public with what he knows saying he has proof.

    Is it possible that it’s nothing? yeah. Is Christie sweating? Like he’s wearing a wool suit in Long Branch in August.

    Curious, the Times hasn’t changed or retracted a thing. They reported a close associate and fried of the Governor is now claiming he can prove Christie’s been lying all along.

    Jersey rules.

  47. 47

    Puddybud - Back to the Original! spews:

    Friday, 1/31/14 at 8:25 pm

    BTW checkmate… Puddy no fan of Christie… When the ignoramous crazed databaze fool returns (spotted twice so far) this year ask it to scan the crazed databaze for a Puddy comment praising Christie as a champion of conservative principles!

    Claims evidence exists… Well whip it out!

  48. 48

    black conservatives for Romney spews:

    Saturday, 2/1/14 at 10:32 am

    Puddy no fan of Christie

    Chris Christie holding peeps accountable.

    Chris Christie destroys the Teacher’s Union AGAIN!

    Gotta Luv NJ Governor Christie telling the truth.

  49. 49

    correctnotright spews:

    Saturday, 2/1/14 at 1:26 pm

    McMorris-Rodgers:
    Failed on national television, failed to research her story on Bette and now even her hometown paper is calling her a liar.
    http://www.spokesman.com/stori.....rs-speech/

    How sad that republicans want so badly to tarnish the ACA that they have to LIE incessantly about it.

    The poor fool Bette had a policy with a 10K cap – and she thought that $500/month was a good deal for it

    She was throwing away her money and was too much a fool to even know it – and she failed to even try and shop for a cheaper insurance policy.

    Even idiots like Bette are benefiting from the ACA – even if she is too dumb to know it.

  50. 50

    correctnotright spews:

    Saturday, 2/1/14 at 1:31 pm

    @48: Just another republican crook that Puddy is throwing under the bus – the republican party has such a strong bench left (not):
    Christie = Bully and crook
    Rubio = vacillator and liar
    Huckabee = sexist, bible totin’ fool
    Ryan = Liar who is math impaired on the budget
    McMorris-Rodgers is their top “female” – what an embarassment!

    Ain’t too much left on the republican bench ‘cept a bunch of splinters up the butt.

    All hail ….MITT

  51. 51

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Saturday, 2/1/14 at 6:45 pm

    @48. Wow, Puddy is a idiot who lies. He’s like Christie.

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