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Open Thread 12/12

by Carl Ballard — Monday, 12/12/11, 7:55 am

– What if Tim Tebow were a Muslim?

– Elizabeth Warren was in town, and it looks like she was great.

– So maybe in Breitbart’s mind, it’s okay to destroy someone’s life as long as you do so by saying a bunch of stuff about them that’s not true.

– Congrats Washington teachers.

– More economic shit as a result of Alabama’s immigration law.

– Is it Christmas? (h/t)

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  1. 1

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:09 am

    – So maybe in Breitbart’s mind, it’s okay to destroy someone’s life as long as you do so by saying a bunch of stuff about them that’s not true.

    Sounds like someone needs to out Breitbart.

  2. 2

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:15 am

    business leaders are now joining the chorus of voices against HB 56 because of serious economic consequences the anti-immigrant law is having on the state — while the state’s governor is playing damage control with the four foreign automakers that employ tens of thousands of Alabamians:
    http://thinkprogress.org/justi.....s-to-stay/

    We know how to build stuff around here and we have a bunch of ports… Someone needs to ring up Mercedes and Honda.

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:18 am

    The Rejection Society

    You already know data miners are tracking your every move on the internet. You probably — certainly should — know employers use that information to winnow job applications (according to their own criteria). You also need to know this:

    “Insurance companies are already surfing social media sites … and what their data miners find may soon be compiled into a new way to rate you as a risk: a social networking score. … Your online activity … serves as background to insurers as they’re setting rates or claims. ‘They are using this data to compile detailed dossiers of individuals,’ says Michael Fertik, founder and CEO of Reputation.com.”

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/20.....dia-score/

    And, of course, that information could be wrong. The more common your name is, the more likely employers, insurers, and other decision makers in the business world will confuse you with, say, a registered sex offender living in Tallahassee.

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Data mining — and using mined data to make employment, insurance, and other decisions — obviously is intrusive. It’s also dangerously prone to error. (When was the last time your credit report did not contain errors?) And when purloined, error-prone, private information is used to reject people for employment, insurance, etc., that’s very dangerous.

    This needs to be illegal. Period. Companies that spy on individuals to take advantage of them by using private information to their detriment should face hefty fines and be liable for civil damages. Individuals in companies who do this should face prison sentences.

    But don’t expect Republicans to protect you from predatory business practices. You can count on them to protect businesses from the innocent people they victimize. So — why would anyone ever vote Republican?

  4. 4

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:26 am

    @3
    One more reason corporate America need smacked upside the head.

  5. 5

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:27 am

    Guns don’t kill people, but they do make it easier for thugs to kill cops.

    Updated, 9:35 a.m. | A veteran police officer died after he was shot in the face at the scene of a home robbery in Cypress Hills, Brooklyn, by a career criminal in what Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg called a “horrible, depraved criminal attack.”
    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes......ooklyn/?hp

  6. 6

    Blue John spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:30 am

    @3 I was tangentially watching the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader tryout reality show and one of the sequences was the staff grilling the potential cheer leaders over photos and pictures of them they found on the internet. They didn’t want to hire women who ‘had the wrong image’. I loved the one girl’s answer. “That’s not me, that’s my twin sister.”

  7. 7

    Blue John spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:32 am

    @3. I’m just waiting for the first cases where people are not hired because of comments they make on Daily Kos or here.
    “I’m sorry, you are too liberal. We don’t want you.”

  8. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:42 am

    It’s Now A Romney-Gingrich Race

    As MSNBC points out, “There are no more ‘not Mitt Romneys’ for voters to turn to. If Gingrich blows this, Romney will be the nominee.”

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com.....in-late-07

  9. 9

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:43 am

    @7
    That’s why god invented the nom de guerre.

  10. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:59 am

    @7 A few years ago I read on another blog that, “I would never hire a liberal.” I responded: “Please post the name of your business. My liberal friends and I don’t want to patronize your business.” Of course, the cowardly jerk didn’t.

  11. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 8:59 am

    @9 Does anyone need any further explanation of why we don’t use real names here?

  12. 12

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 9:01 am

    # 7: The problem is, you will never hear why you weren’t hired. In all probability, you won’t even know if you were being considered.

    HR managers these days use key word software to select from among thousands of applicants to any given job. Those that don’t make the first cut are seldom notified, unless the company is “polite” enough to send them a standardized e-mail saying the position is “no longer open”.

    If you make the first cut, narrowing it down to say a hundred resume’s, then the HR manager assigns somebody to go through those resumes by hand and narrow it down to ten. Again, the other 90 resumes never know that they made it to the second cut.

    Then the HR dept. might conduct a more detailed review, including the social media data-mining referred to in the post above. That might knock out four of the ten – the applicant never knows why, and never has a chance to correct or explain any negative ratings.

    Finally, they narrow it down to about three or four applicants. These are the only ones who actually get a chance to come in for an interview and see “a face” in the company. The company will make their selection. The other few applicants who made it to that stage will probably get a “sorry, but we have made our selection” e-mail. Again, no explanations, because they don’t want to get into an argument or say something which might open the way to a lawsuit.

  13. 13

    Blue John spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 10:14 am

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....via=blog_1

    My son is a blend. I cannot imagine some of the hateful labels in this article being applied to him. It must have been a twisted and unpleasant society when such concepts were common place and accepted.

  14. 14

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:15 am

    Intersting map of Snohomish County with respect to the recent Reardon/Hope election.

    A geographic look at the Snohomish County executive election

  15. 15

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:23 am

    Was our founding fathers’ Muslim?

  16. 16

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:25 am

    “It’s Now A Romney-Gingrich Race”

    Nominating either one of those two will guarantee that Obama gets re-elected. That isn’t such a bad outcome considering the Republicans will most likely hold on to the House and may get more seates in the Senate. A divided government would be better than one ran exclusively by a single party, be it the Democrats or the Republicans. They can all do less harm that way.

  17. 17

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:28 am

    Over in the Bird’s Eye thread Roger DOPEY Rabbit doesn’t know who Kalpen Modi is. So as always Puddy provides valuable education to the DOPEY Rabbit.

    So who can tell me without looking it up what show Kalpen Modi used to be on?

    Former actor and present White House associate director of public engagement Kalpen Modi was directly involved in planning the controversial conference call hosted by a National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) flack to encourage tax-supported artists to create propaganda for President Obama, according to emails obtained by Judicial Watch via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.

    The emails reveal that Modi worked with now-former NEA national communications director Yosif Sargant in planning the August 10 conference call that was first revealed by Andrew Breitbart’s Big Hollywood.com web site. Participants in the conference call were encouraged to use their talents to generate public support for the Obama agenda in Congress.

    http://www.sfexaminer.com/blog.....z1gLlvUJk1

    It’s so easy to understand why HA people love you Roger DOPEY Rabbit. They slovenly follow your rants without ever checking the facts.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!

  18. 18

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:28 am

    If some football player wants to pray in-between scores, I could care less. If the TV guys don’t like it, they can cut to the cheering crowds rather than showing some Christianist doing “three cheers for the Skipper!” stuff.

  19. 19

    No time for Oligarchies spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:29 am

    @15. what does that have to do with anything?
    Several were deists. Does that count?

    Deism in religious philosophy is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is the product of an all-powerful creator. According to deists, the creator does not intervene in human affairs or suspend the natural laws of the universe. Deists typically reject supernatural events such as prophecy and miracles, tending instead to assert that a god (or “the Supreme Architect”) does not alter the universe by intervening in it.

  20. 20

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:34 am

    It’s so easy to understand why Snohomish libtards voted for Aaron Reardon.

    The woman, a county employee, said she took the trips to U.S. cities where Reardon ostensibly was attending conferences. When asked what the two did, she said, “Not much. He wasn’t working.”

    Yeah he was performing horizontal pushups! And who started the investigation on Reardon rhp6033? Another DUMMOCRAPT David Somers. Reardon blamed it on Mike Hope’s campaign.

  21. 21

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:36 am

    what does that have to do with anything?

    Once again headless lucy is a moron!

    Did Puddy put the link on the blog thread head? Did Puddy write the crap being put forth?

    Stupid as ever!

  22. 22

    YellowPup spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:39 am

    What passes for progressive leadership these days: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....42378.html

    [Obama] rejected questioner Steve Kroft’s suggestion that the public was judging him on his performance as president. “I’m being judged against the ideal,” he said. “Joe Biden has a good expression. He says, `Don’t judge me against the Almighty, judge me against the alternative.‘”

    Don’t expect too much, it could be Newt.

    Meanwhile, Krugman points out: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12.....cracy.html

    It’s time to start calling the current situation what it is: a depression. True, it’s not a full replay of the Great Depression, but that’s cold comfort. Unemployment in both America and Europe remains disastrously high. Leaders and institutions are increasingly discredited. And democratic values are under siege.

  23. 23

    No time for Oligarchies spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:40 am

    There is a broken link on http://patriotboy.blogspot.com.....tebow.html

  24. 24

    No time for Oligarchies spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:43 am

    @22. Last I checked, the Almighty wasn’t running for president.
    Can you imagine the train wreck that would have been a McCain/Palin presidency? If nothing else, half way through her job as VP, she would have quit.

  25. 25

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:58 am

    Oh my libtardo peeps upset over Breitbart regarding Shirley Sherrod and ACORN. Well there have been ACORN convictions.

    Watch, ylb will run to FactCheck.org and whip out the 2008 report, while this search delivers the latest.

    And of course the Shirley Sherrod Pigford Scandal was never really vetted.

    At the press conference, Mr. Breitbart revealed two hours of audio of Thomas Burrell, the head of the Black Farmers & Agriculturalist Association, Inc., teaching non-farmers in the South how to commit fraud in the Pigford “back-door” reparations case. This audio conclusively demonstrates how people have conspired to grow the class of Pigford claimants to 94,000, when in fact, there were only about 18,000 black farmers in the entire country during the relevant time period, and when there were never anticipated to be more than a few thousand potential claimants among those 18,000. The numbers just do not and cannot add up.

  26. 26

    YellowPup spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:03 pm

    @24: The trouble with the completely collapsed/dissolute state of the Republican party, and the shutout of real progressives from politics at the national level, is that there is no real alternative to Obama. If you are disappointed with Obama’s cave-in first style, there is nowhere for you to go.

    And the suggestion of creating a third party that will run a Democrat and a Republican together is a disastrous failure of imagination.

    Politicians have successfully passed off so much counterfeit political currency for the last 30 years that it has become the coin of the realm.

  27. 27

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:08 pm

    If you are disappointed with Obama’s cave-in first style, there is nowhere for you to go.

    Democrats for Ron Paul!

  28. 28

    dorky dorkman spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:08 pm

    re 25: Is it conceivable that the 18,000 farmers had 94,000 descendants?

  29. 29

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:19 pm

    Is it conceivable that the 18,000 farmers had 94,000 descendants?

    Sure. Did they all become farmers? The claim is approximately 76,000 other “farmers‘ were denied payments. Good try headless dorky!

  30. 30

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:26 pm

    Oops…

    Dog Shoots Man: Billy E. Brown Wounded By Bulldog In Florida Hunting Accident

    As the trio drove down a rough limestone road, Eli “got excited in the truck” and knocked against their rifle, firing off a round, another Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission told TBO.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....43890.html

    That’s why they teach you in hunters safety classes to not have a round chambered while your in your truck.

  31. 31

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:55 pm

    Looks like Putin’s got some competition.

    Moscow (CNN) — Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov — the owner of the New Jersey Nets basketball team and one of the world’s richest men — said Monday that he will run for president of Russia next year.
    Calling his decision to run for president “probably the most important decision of my life,” he acknowledged the risks of challenging Russia’s rulers.
    “There is saying in Russia: Never say never, anyone can end up behind bars. But I am not afraid,” he said in a press conference in Moscow.
    Prokhorov, 45, is worth $18 billion, Forbes estimated in March, making him Russia’s third richest man.

  32. 32

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:58 pm

    Dang, another cops committed a domestic violence murder.

    http://www.kristv.com/news/sho.....relatives/
    ALICE – Police Chief Danny Bueno says one his own officers, Joe Gonzales, is in custody after he allegedly shot and killed his common law wife at an Annaville area mobile home park.

    Around 7:30am Corpus Christi police got the call about a woman who had been shot inside a unit at the Jacksonwood mobile home park.

  33. 33

    Ekim spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 12:59 pm

    To miss-quote Pandagon:

    ButtPutty has demonstrated that he is the most shameless liar on the HA blog, which is much like being the stinkiest turd in a litterbox.

  34. 34

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:12 pm

    Next time someone tries to tell you that the righties don’t want a theocratic state send them here:

    Iowans For Christian Leaders In Government:
    http://ifclig.wordpress.com/

  35. 35

    Steve spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:15 pm

    The loon loves his black southern farmer peeps so much, he sided with the whites who fucked them over, and now he sides with the whites who demonize them.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/pigford.asp

  36. 36

    dorky dorkman spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:19 pm

    re 29: If the descendants’ position in life was damaged because an ancestor was denied reparations, wouldn’t they qualify anyway — just like the descendants of Jews who were killed in the holocaust — even if they subsequently accepted Jesus Christ (the ONLY true Lord) as their personal savior?

    Your problem, Whacks, is that you are an whack job.

  37. 37

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:25 pm

    Moronic goat lover ekim,

    I used the Panagon site (linked in the blog thread head) as the stepping point for the Sherrod lawsuit. Now that Pigford will be reopened all of a sudden Sherrod has clammed up over these last few months.

  38. 38

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:29 pm

    The loon loves his black southern farmer peeps so much, he sided with the whites who fucked them over, and now he sides with the whites who demonize them.

    Hmmm… One can see Stupid Solution Steve is a moron! From his own link… What Republican Senators tried to introduce legislation while Harry Reid was head of the senate for claims consideration but it never made it to the floor? White guys Charles Grassley and Geroge Allen!

    He’s always a moron!

  39. 39

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:31 pm

    Your problem headless is you are a racist.

    My cousins and I recently recreated the family tree. Since I can prove my slave ancestry back before 1827 I guess I should be asking for slave reparations for all my ancestors based on your moronic commentary above. Yes we were definitely injured due to slavery. We had to endure big city DUMMOCRAPTS who did nothing for my family’s plight. There were a lot of our ancestors as slaves.

    Yeah, I’ll start a movement!

  40. 40

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:33 pm

    Newt Gingrich: Judas
    http://ifclig.wordpress.com/20.....ich-judas/

    While I’d really rather not have Newt as the next president of the United States, calling the man Judas is a bit beyond the pale. But hey, that’s the Christanist right for ya’.

  41. 41

    Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adoration spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:34 pm

    My wife and I went to see Elizabeth Warren last Friday – she was indeed great.

    It was a much bigger affair than I had thought – they nearly filled the Paramount. I didn’t get to shake her hand :(

    She was as inspirational, and real, as she comes across in the various videos that have circulated. This was in great contrast to Maria Cantwell, who shared the stage with her (introduced by Dow Constantine, and preceded by Jay Inslee). I find Cantwell, while mostly competent, very hard to get fired up about. And I still have not forgiven her for not voting to filibuster Alito. That just burns me – and she went on about protecting personal privacy – read womb autonomy – in her speech. Ugh. I find it especially ironic that many of her volunteers are young women in ‘Maria!” shirts – do they know how she sold them out?

    I declined to give any money that night – beyond the $40 each to get in – because it would be shared 50-50 between Cantwell and Warren. We’ll be sending Elizabeth money directly.

    I hope Elizabeth Warren, when she gets to the Senate, finds people like Bernie Sanders, as opposed to Maria Cantwell, to learn from.

  42. 42

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:39 pm

    Ooo… Speaking of low blows, it seems that Newt is the Kim Kardashian of the GOP.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMPjo46das

  43. 43

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:43 pm

    Ooo… So it turns out that Mitt Romney is an EPA empowering, global warming cultist.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
    Or so says the folks at World Net Daily.

  44. 44

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:46 pm

    @41

    I’ve met Cantwell a couple of times, she really doesn’t do personal interactions very well. I think that lack of understanding and empathy sometimes comes out in her votes and stances on policy.

  45. 45

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 1:49 pm

    John McCain: left leaning weakling who would have done tremendous damage to the nation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
    It’s about 1.30 into the rant.

  46. 46

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 2:25 pm

    Romney and Huntsman need to drop out of the Republican race and run for president as a team as independents. They’ve got enough money between the two of them and they really don’t have anything in common with half the folks in the Republican party. Romney/Huntsman (i) could probably win the thing.

  47. 47

    Rujax! Shame on the puddypussy. Shame. spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 2:28 pm

    Doesn’t puddywuddyduddypussy ever get tired of leading with his chin?

  48. 48

    ArtFart spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 2:38 pm

    @46 Interesting idea. They could call themselves the “Bullmouse” party.

  49. 49

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 2:40 pm

    # 39: Gee, did Puddy just say he was in favor of reperation payments to descendents of slaves????

    Why don’t you make that proposal at your next Tea Party meeting, Puddy, and see how well that goes over with those folks.

  50. 50

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 2:52 pm

    It seems rujax can’t read or comprehend. rujax, taking the place of ylb as the HA bottom dweller.

    Wait for it… Nothing pithy will leave his fingers for the next attack.

  51. 51

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 2:54 pm

    Gee, did Puddy just say he was in favor of reperation payments to descendents of slaves????

    As all can see rhp6033 also has rujax disease… a real mental disorder

    I guess I should be asking for slave reparations for all my ancestors based on your moronic commentary above.

    Did that clarification help you rhp6033?

    Still reading those Cass Sunstein “materials”!

  52. 52

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:04 pm

    @48

    AKA the Progressive Party which is still around and far to the left of Mitt/Jon 2012.

    But, I’d bet Mitt/Jon would love to tell off the far right.

  53. 53

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:08 pm

    @39 “We had to endure big city DUMMOCRAPTS who did nothing for my family’s plight.”

    This is how puddy blows off the 360,000 white guys from the north who gave their lives to free the slaves.

  54. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:10 pm

    Work or Starve!

    (Never mind there’s no jobs; that’s just a technical detail.)

    Republicans want to drastically slash unemployment benefits so they can give more tax cuts to the filthy rich who aren’t using their oceans of money to hire unemployed workers. And if you look at the map that comes with the article, you’ll notice that Democratic-leaning coastal and northern states take the biggest hit — these guys don’t miss a trick.

    http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.co.....n-benefits

  55. 55

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:11 pm

    # 51: It’s not a problem with my “understanding”, Puddy, it’s a problem with your writing. You are not clear in what you say. It’s hardly our fault that we can’t read your mind.

    In the same comment, you said:

    “Since I can prove my slave ancestry back before 1827 I guess I should be asking for slave reparations for all my ancestors based on your moronic commentary above….

    Yeah, I’ll start a movement!”

    So what words should the reader follow, and which ones should they ignore? “I guess I should be asking for slave reparations…” and “Yea, I’ll start a movement” seems to take up the bulk of the comment. “Moronic comment” are the only words of subtraction from the otherwise gist of the statement.

    In fairness, I will conceed that sarcasm doesn’t always translate well in writing, especially in a comment thread to a blog.

    But you can hardly blame us for not understanding your blathering. I’ve gotten to the point where I just assume it’s intentional so you can avoid being brought to task for your comments.

  56. 56

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:22 pm

    Okay rhp6033. It was deep sarcasm dealing with headless lucy.

    The movement would be shitting on headless’ head.

  57. 57

    dorky dorkman spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:24 pm

    re 39: You should read (or read a review — which is your habit, anyway) of a novel by Phillip Roth called The Human Stain . I have dealt with ‘blacker than thou’ folks like you for a long, long time.

    I’m sick of you — the man behind the mask.

  58. 58

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:24 pm

    Those 360,000 northerners were politicians who came from big cities?

    Who knew DOPEY Rabbit?

    Got URL source on their names and what position they were elected to?

  59. 59

    puddybud spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:27 pm

    The Human Stain… So you are saying you are Coleman Silk headless? Do tell! This I gotta read, but I have to work now!

    You’ve dealt with blacker than me folks for a long time…? So what does MikeBoyScout and Stupid Solution Steve think about that comment?

    Notice how I identified headless lucy’s latest sock puppet? He always reverts to his true self. I don’t need Goldy or Darryl to help me. I can do it all by myself.

    Hey ylb, be a nice man for a change… Search the database… When did I identify the dorkoff as headless? I know it was months ago!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  60. 60

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:33 pm

    @56
    A movement comprised of a movement!

  61. 61

    YLB spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:38 pm

    Your problem headless is you are a racist.

    Huh! What nerve!

    We already know how her vineyards don’t hire union labor but cheap relatives of ylb.

    Which of my relatives are you referring to Puddybud?

    Why do you regard them as “cheap”?

  62. 62

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:39 pm

    Great article!

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesa.....on-organic

    Who Are The Young Farmers Of ‘Generation Organic’?

    For decades, as young people have been leaving farms behind, the average age of the American farmer has been rising. The last time the government counted farmers, in 2002, the average farmer was 55-years-old.

    But there’s a new surge of youthful vigor into American agriculture — at least in the corner of it devoted to organic, local food. Thousands of young people who’ve never farmed before are trying it out.

    Some 250 of them gathered recently at a gorgeous estate in the Hudson River valley of New York: the Stone Barns Center for Food and Agriculture in Tarrytown.

    “Having a skill was really important to me. Having studied political science, I wanted to do something that was productive, that was real. To have a real skill, and be able to provide my family, my community, a vital element,” says Kristin Carbone, who runs Radix Farm in Upper Marlboro, Maryland.

  63. 63

    dorky dorkman spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:54 pm

    re 59: Your habit is to sneer at anything you don’t like or don’t really understand.

    So, you and your cousins whipped up a family history one afternoon that went all the way back to 1827 and the ‘slavery days’. What method did you use to keep a regressive track of your ancestors all the way back?

    Or — did only one white family own your ancestors for all those generations? If that were the case, your ancestors were not just ordinary slaves — but really good at it. So good, that you voluntarily keep your mind in shackles to this very day!

  64. 64

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 3:59 pm

    Conservative radio talk-show host Michael Savage has just offered Newt Gingrich $1 Million if he will drop out of the race. Savage says that Newt has no chance of beating Obama, and won’t do well in one-on-one debates with the President, since he will come across as simply another old, fat, white man.

    Even Anne Coulter is piling on, saying that Newt calling himself “anti-establishment” is true only if you refer to the establishement that doesn’t remember anything that happens further back than the day-before-yesterday.

    I doubt Gingrich will take Savage’s offer. He’s planning on milking this for a lot more than $1 million dollars. He probably expects to get a Fox contract for more than $1 million every year before this thing is over.

  65. 65

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 4:11 pm

    # 63: Which brings up an issue about slavery which a lot of people don’t think about, unless they’ve studied it a bit.

    There was quite a dichotomy between the house slaves and the field hands. (I won’t use the more derogatory term usually applied). The house slaves usually looked down their noses at the field hands, they thought they were considerably better than them – more intelligent, cultured, and refined. The field hands, in return, despised the house slaves, whom they derided as “Uncle Toms” (once that term became known) and as weeklings who sold out their field bretheran for the privilidge of receiving scraps from the master’s table.

    This dichotomy was used by the white masters and overseers to control the slaves. They relied upon the house slaves to keep them informed of potential trouble-makers from within the slave ranks. Those who didn’t show their gratitude and loyalty to their masters could, in an instant, be shifted back to the fields, or sold to a distant and harsh master.

    What’s ironic is that this dynamic continues in America, although it works between all races. The financial interests which control much of America’s wealth seek to divert attention from that fact by setting non-union workers against union workers, the lower-middle class against the poor, the relatively wealthy blacks against the interests of the rest of their race.

  66. 66

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 4:20 pm

    One of the things which is interesting is that this has become a two-way race (for the time being), without there having been a single vote cast yet.

    Do you get the feeling we are all being played for suckers, and there is NO WAY Romney wasn’t going to win the nomination? As they say down at the racetrack: “The fix is in”.

  67. 67

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 4:22 pm

    Some of my ancestors owned slaves, but they left the south to fight for the north when the war came. After the war was over they weren’t real popular back home.

    Most of the rest of my ancestors were coal miners. The slaves got freed. The miners, not so much. One of my grandfather’s farmed and worked in the mines in the winter time. He only had one lung, so when he got black lung he went pretty quickly. Black lung survivors benefits were a huge help to grandma.

  68. 68

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 4:38 pm

    Oh, this is just too priceless….

    An Iowa social conservative has asked Republican candidates for the nomination to sign a “marital fidelity pledge”. So far, Bachman, Perry, and Santoram have done so.

    Now Gingrich has kind of met them half-way. Instead of simply signing the pledge, he released a sort of “signing statement” which was more like a campaign brochure for the Defense of Marriage act than anything else. But it did include the phrase:

    “I also pledge to uphold the institution of marriage through personal fidelity to my spouse and respect for the marital bonds of others.”

    Which is apparantly enough for the Conservatives.

    Newt Gingrich on Marital Fidelity

    But you have to ask yourself – if Newt didn’t treat his marriage vows, uttered before God and witnesses as binding upon him, what stonger bond does his “signing statement” provide?

    The timing is suspect, as well. Perhaps he was a little stung by Rick Perry’s statement that “A man who will cheat on his spouse will also cheat on his business partner.”

    I’m also struggling with the question of why were Herman Cain’s “bimbo eruptions” disqualifying factors for the nomination, while Newt Gingrich’s well-known infidelity isn’t? Does it have anything to do with Cain being a black man and his victims white, whereas Gingrich stuck with making victims of his own race?

  69. 69

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 4:43 pm

    By the way, after this election is over, and Gingrich is back out of the limelight, what are the odds in Vegas as to how long Gingrich will stay married to his current wife? After all, she was 35 when he married her (almost half his age), but now she’s 45. He tends to discard them for a younger model before they get too close to fifty.

  70. 70

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 4:53 pm

    Well, I found one ancestor on my father’s side who fought for the Confederacy (31st Alabama Infantry), but no ancesters from that branch who ever owned slaves. They were too poor, just dirt farmers. Another branch of my father’s side immigrated from Canada after the Civil War, so no slaves there – no Union soldiers, either.

    The odds would be better of finding a slave-owner on my mother’s side – they settled in the U.S. in Virginia and S. Carolina as early in the 1600’s, eventually settling in Mississippi, Georgia, and then Alabama, but I’ve never found any reference to them owning slaves either. From what I’ve seen, they were probably just dirt farmers, as well.

    I did find out that one of my ancestors was Native American from Mississipi – but I can’t track down the tribe or any details. It seems it wasn’t talked about much in my family, and he went by a white man’s name.

  71. 71

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 4:58 pm

    @68
    Check this video from a Christian conservative group in Iowa out.
    http://ifclig.wordpress.com/20.....verbs10-9/

  72. 72

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 5:15 pm

    One thing you can say about Romney’s opponants for the GOP nomination: except for Huntsman, they are all so wing-bat crazy that they make Romney look like a statesman in comparison.

    Which was probably the point all along. Huntsman wouldn’t be in at all, except he didn’t get the memo – he was out of the country at the time.

  73. 73

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 5:19 pm

    A refreshing aspect of this year’s electioneering is that America is awakening to the shaft they’ve been given by Republican economics over the last thirty years or so.

    Before, Romney’s personal wealth-generation machine would be trupeted by the media as being a great qualificatino for President. Now, Americans are realizing that it is people like Romney that are an essential part of the problem.

    All the President has to do, when Romney advocates cutting taxes on the wealthy, and de-regulating polluters, is to point out that these aren’t solutions, these are the problems. When he does so, Romney begins to lose his appeal.

  74. 74

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 5:28 pm

    On my wife’s side, her father came from Polish immigrants to Texas in the mid-1800’s. No slave owners there – Polish & German immigrants were almost all anti-slavery, and suffered quite a bit due to their pro-union sentiments during the war. They might have been refugees from the 1848 European revolutions, but I’m not sure. They were all reviled as “Dutch”, a reference to the German reference to themselves as “Deutsch”. Many of the “Deutsch” from other regions went on to fight with the Union under Gen. Franz Seigel.

    On her mother’s side, her great-grandfather was a Scottish adventurer who traveled the Pacific, where he met up with a German gal and married her. His son met a Samoan princess, and married her – they were my wife’s grandparents. They settled in Hawaii long before the war. My wife’s mother and several of her aunts were in Honolulu on Dec. 7th, a stray bomb hit a spot in the street where they had been standing minutes earlier.

  75. 75

    No time for Oligarchies spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 5:39 pm

    I find it amusing how puddy cannot figure out that democrats used to be conservatives and republicans used to be liberals until the 1950s and 1960s when it switched.

  76. 76

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 6:35 pm

    @55 “You are not clear in what you say.”

    That’s the understatement of the ages.

    “It’s hardly our fault that we can’t read your mind.”

    What mind?

  77. 77

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 6:37 pm

    @74 I have rabbits on both sides of my family and I have no fucking idea where they came from. Rabbits come from everywhere. We’re ubiquitous.

  78. 78

    Michael spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 7:42 pm

    Rabbits come from everywhere. We’re ubiquitous.

    Kinda like coal miners up to about 1950.

  79. 79

    Carl spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 9:13 pm

    @23,

    He seems to have taken it down, I guess.

    RE ancestry,

    My family that I know of were either in New England or still in Norway, but go back a few generations and there are several branches I have no idea how they got where they ended up, so who knows.

    One of my ancestors was at Wounded Knee, and I’ve never quite known what to do with that information.

  80. 80

    ArtFart spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:12 pm

    @42 Well, I guess his butt’s big enough…

  81. 81

    ArtFart spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:16 pm

    @75 Oh, he knows. For want of anything better to do, he keeps looking for someone else who doesn’t.

  82. 82

    Pat Griffith spews:

    Monday, 12/12/11 at 11:41 pm

    I too attended the Cantwell/Warren event, and yes, the R’s should be afraid of Elizabeth Warren. She speaks with reason and compassion and translates complex issues into readily understandable language. She should keynote the Democratic Convention though I doubt Obama would let her.

  83. 83

    puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 12/13/11 at 12:07 am

    So, you and your cousins whipped up a family history one afternoon that went all the way back to 1827 and the ’slavery days’. What method did you use to keep a regressive track of your ancestors all the way back?

    Regressive? Oh my you are so full of it!

    Oh fool of fools… Ancestry.com. Try it sometime. Wait… you have to pay and being the cheap bastard you are…

    They kept slave censuses. Our families had the family Bibles with cross referenced names.

    U R an idiot!

  84. 84

    puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 12/13/11 at 12:16 am

    I find it amusing how puddy cannot figure out that democrats used to be conservatives and republicans used to be liberals until the 1950s and 1960s when it switched.

    Golly Al Gore Sr Robert 3 Sheets KKK Byrd and Richard Russell would have switched parties…? Al Gore’s dad helped lead Southern DUMMOCRAPTS in a filibuster against The Civil Rights Act of 1964. Byrd never switched parties. Northern Republicans who were still Northern Republicans voted for the CRA and the VRA.

    No frothing at the mouth can change those facts.

    Nuff said sucka!

  85. 85

    puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 12/13/11 at 12:19 am

    So headless dorkface, tell us more about how you and Coleman Silk are alike!

  86. 86

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 12/13/11 at 1:13 am

    Federal Reserve Says Flippers Caused Housing Crash

    “Researchers with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that investors who used low-down-payment, subprime credit to purchase multiple residential properties … are largely to blame for the recession.”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45.....al_estate/

  87. 87

    Rujax! spews:

    Tuesday, 12/13/11 at 11:17 am

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....-shut-down

    4.01pm ET, 1.01pm PDT: Longshoremen at the Longview port have gone home for the day after an Occupy demonstration at the port, according to AP.

    The ongoing battle between Longview port terminal owners EGT and the International Longshore Workers Union is the main reason why Occupy protesters are bidding to close down the west coast ports.

    AP said with workers having left the Longview port the terminal was “essentially shut”.

    The International Longshore & Warehouse Union sent home its workers out of concern for their “health and safety,” spokeswoman Jennifer Sargent said.

    “Our people are willing and able to go to work,” Sargent said.

    However, both the port and the union decided to shut down operations, said Port of Longview spokeswoman Ashley Helenberg. She said about 20 shifts would be affected. The port was handling one ship Monday.

    Union workers would be paid for four hours of work, the union said.

    The Longview rally, which numbered a few dozen people, was among a series of coordinated Occupy Wall Street protests at the West Coast’s busiest ports. Demonstrators hoped the rallies would cut into the profits of the corporations that run the docks.

    HA!

    Occupy fucked with the dirt-bag emperor max-minidick’s BFF.

    Great work Occupy!

  88. 88

    Julius 'Rosie' Rosenberg spews:

    Tuesday, 12/13/11 at 12:22 pm

    re 85: “So headless dorkface, tell us more about how you and Coleman Silk are alike! (This from the man who always complains about name-calling when applied to himself. Interesting.)”

    Gladly.

    The fictional character of Coleman Silk and I are alike not in the fact that I am a great scholar at a prestigious university, nor that I was a boxer in my youth. We are alike in the fact that we both resemble white people to such a degree that outside of our neighborhoods of origination, we were considered as such.

    Silk, in a class lecture, refers to a couple of noisy black students in what they consider to be a ‘racist’ way (e.g., ‘Shut your cottonpickin’ mouths and let me speak!’) The students lodge a complaint against him and, with the support of his white colleagues, hound him out of his job.

    You play the race game much the same way the black students and the white colleagues of Silk did: You use it as a bludgeon to damage or silence people — not as an instrument of redress for real racism (like that was inflicted upon Shirley Sherrod at the hands of Breitbart in his charges of reverse discrimination).

    You pull the same aggrieved black man act when called a ‘House Negro’ (editorial approximation) by someone you perceive as being white. You use the same bludgeon as that used against Silk — who had as much African American blood as anyone, but, as genetic fate would have it, appeared white. At Silk’s funeral, everyone notices the presence of his sister and state that if they knew he was black, they would not have crucified him as they did — and his statement would have been overlooked.

    You are like the black students and the white professors. You are a dishonest rat who uses race not to shed light upon a predicament, but to strike out at those you would seek to harm because they disagree with you.

    I stand by my original assessment of you as a ‘House Negro’.

    And here’s a joke I know you’ll like:

    Q- What do you call the black Roy Rogers?
    A- Negroid Rogers. (heh….)
    ………..

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