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Hey, right-leaning folks…I have a serious question for y’all.
Mark the Redneck had this to say in a comment thread yesterday:
“These fucking people want to kill us. All of us. If torture is what it takes to win this war, go for it. Deprive them of sleep. Pull their fingernails out. Fuck them up the ass. Fuck with their heads. Cut appendeges off. Even make them wear women’s panties if that’s what it takes.”
and he had this to say in this comment thread:
“It’s way too easy to vote. It’s too easy for there to be illegal votes. It’s too easy for stoopid people to vote. It’s too easy for freeloaders to vote.
I think that in order to vote, you must:
1) Prove you are a legal citizen of this country.
2) Pass a test to prove you understand the uniquely Murkan system of governance.
3) Prove you are a Producer and not a Taker. Producers vote. Takers don’t.”
(additionally, he doesn’t make good on his bets.)
I know that some folks on the right are very sensitive to the use of the term “fascist” to refer to individuals who demonstrate such tendencies. My question is, has MTR crossed that threshold where the term is fitting and can be used factually to describe him?
I take exception to his 2nd and 3rd point on voting.
the second point ignores the fact that a) if you are a legal adult you surely took civics in high school and b) that immigrants granted citizenship already have to take a test on that subject, and like know more then high school graduates.
For the third requirement, I have to strongly disagree. This is returning us to an unfair system. Will he extend it and make it for landowners only? This is akin to the poll tax of old.
Now granted, I agree that restricing felons has merit till they have served their time and paid full restitution. But I wont deny people on welfare the ability to participate.
As to his rant on torture…Sigh, I admit, its easy to want to agree, because frankly, in an us versus them discussion, I vote for us. But we also have principles and morals we need to maintain.
I feel that torture and deliberate abuse should be illegal. I want to agree and say its ok in high yield cases, where imminent danger puts lives are at stake, but the burden on that is so high, and almost impossible to discern. I dont see how it could be fairly used.
I do however feel that there can be levels of interrogation and persuasion that are not torture or abuse but may be uncomfortable. I think there can be an argument made there.
I think we need to make a solid distinction about which is which, and hold our soldiers accountable to that standard.
One of the reasons I opposed the ban on torture ammendment is that it only confirms existing law, which makes it partially unecessary. it was also vague in some areas, and leaves too much open to interpretation.
I think its a good idea, if it could be made measureable.
Just my 2 cents. Flame away.
To answer the initial question, I dont like the term facist and think its overused here. I think MTR has overstepped common sense, but regardless I would not apply it here. he has still stopped a little short of that label. I think he is reactionary and overzealous more then anything.
Hiding the Cisneros Report
Hillary Clinton’s lawyer is staying very busy.
Friday, October 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
What don’t David Kendall, the law firm of Williams & Connolly, and clients such as Hillary Rodham Clinton want the public to know?
We’d have thought that question would be on more Washington lips as the report of Independent Counsel David Barrett languishes under seal at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Mr. Barrett is the fellow who began investigating a tax-fraud case involving former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros but expanded his probe to include alleged abuses by the Clinton Justice Department and IRS.
Yet instead of exhibiting any curiosity, the press corps is again writing its semi-annual stories about the costs of keeping Mr. Barrett’s office open. The fact is that Mr. Barrett would love to close up shop if only Democratic lawyers and the judges of the so-called “special division” that oversees his work would let him.
Readers may recall the last iteration of this drama in April, when Senators Byron Dorgan, John Kerry and Richard Durbin attached an amendment to a war appropriations bill that would have stopped funding Mr. Barrett’s office. We pointed out that this would have returned control of the Barrett probe to one of the very departments implicated–Justice–and, happily, the amendment was killed.
Now a new report from the Government Accountability Office is being used as an excuse for still more complaints about the Barrett probe. We agree it’s high time it finished, but this isn’t possible until somebody puts a stop to delaying tactics by lawyers for those named in the report. (Mr. Cisneros himself long ago pleaded guilty, and was pardoned by Bill Clinton in 2001.)
In April we reported that Williams & Connolly–which represents many prominent Democrats, including Mr. Cisneros–had filed more than 190 motions and appeals, one of which alone took 18 months to deal with. Now we are told that yet another secret delay order has been granted by the court. What’s more, Williams & Connolly’s Mr. Kendall–who as far as anyone knows represents not Mr. Cisneros but Mrs. Clinton–has been among those spotted at the courthouse reviewing the IC’s report.
One possible motivation isn’t hard to imagine: Senator Clinton is running for re-election next year (never mind any possible Presidential ambitions), and she can’t be excited about the possible release of a report that might reflect poorly on the Clinton Administration’s IRS and Justice Department, especially with the IRS having been run by her friend, Peggy Richardson. Our calls this week to Mr. Kendall and Williams & Connolly for comment on the delays were not returned.
What we do know for sure is that the 400-plus-page Barrett Report is essentially done, and has been for about a year; that the rules that allow a review and comment period for individuals named in IC reports are fair and proper; but that the review period (which was scheduled to finish in May) must end sometime if the public interest in seeing the results of the $22 million investigation is to be served. We’re told the Barrett report will be an eye-opener, as it is the first time the IRS has ever been investigated using grand jury subpoena powers. If the Senators and Congressmen like Henry Waxman are as concerned about the use of taxpayer money as they’ve professed to be, they’d urge Williams & Connolly to resolve its outstanding issues with Mr. Barrett and allow his report to finally see the light of day.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110007374
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Yes.
dj
Yes. Qualifies on several points.
dj – Could MTR’s rightwing bluster be a cover? What if he’s actually a foreign agent? Even a terrorist? None of us have seen him in person, right? Or heard him speak … for all we know, he wears a turban and has an accent. Given these suspicions, don’t you think someone should look into this? There’s a way to find out …
Deprive him of sleep. Pull his fingernails out. Fuck him up the ass. Fuck with his heads. Cut appendeges off. Even make him wear women’s panties if that’s what it takes.
Sergeant Mac — if it turns out that Bush ordered the NSA to eavesdrop on the Democrats in order to get a political advantage, would you support impeachment? How about imprisonment?
What do you all want to bet the Republicans were using federal intelligence resources to sabotage Kerry’s campaign? I’d say damned good chance. I’m pretty sure what we’ve learned so far about Bush’s illegal domestic espionage is just the tip of the iceberg.
KEY GOP SENATOR BLASTS DOMESTIC SPYING
Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Arlen Specter (R-PA) said, “There is no doubt that this is inappropriate,” and said he would make hearings “a very, very high priority.”
Meanwhile, administration officials asserted NSA’s illegal domestic spying the new program thwarted terrorist plots, citing as an example the case of Iyman Faris, who pleaded guilty in 2003. But are they lying? Faris’s lawyer says none of the evidence against him appeared to come from surveillance.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....ush_nsa_11
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (50 USC §1801 et seq.)
50 USC §1809
(a) Prohibited activities
A person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally—
(1) engages in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute; …
(b) Defense
It is a defense to a prosecution under subsection (a) of this section that the defendant was a law enforcement or investigative officer engaged in the course of his official duties and the electronic surveillance was authorized by and conducted pursuant to a search warrant or court order of a court of competent jurisdiction.
(c) Penalties
An offense described in this section is punishable by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than five years, or both.
(d) Federal jurisdiction
There is Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section if the person committing the offense was an officer or employee of the United States at the time the offense was committed.
50 USC §1802 (a) (1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—
(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at—
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; …
50 USC §1811. Authorization during time of war
Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for a period not to exceed fifteen calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress.
Electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens. No court order. No declaration of war by Congress. Any of you trolls care to explain how this is NOT a federal crime? Hmmmm?
How about you, Richard Pope? You’re a lawyer and a Libertarian. Got any problems with the argument that Bush broke the law by ordering the NSA to use electronic surveillance against American citizens within the U.S. without court orders?
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“We pointed out that this would have returned control of the Barrett probe to one of the very departments implicated–Justice–”
So Michael … does this mean the rightwing editorial writers of the rightwing editorial page of the Wall Street Journal don’t trust the Bush Justice Department to investigate alleged wrongdoing by the Clinton Justice Department?
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first of all, Righton is a nazi. I know he’s not happy if we dont’ get the nazi ref in quick.
Now that thats’ done, whats with the misogyny on the right? Even the women on the right hate women!
Mark the Redneck says having a vagina makes you stoopid,
And ghostie says that women are ‘the new blacks’…. and she claims that the Democratic party was giving out crack to blacks to make them vote Dem…
Oh, and prr still hates our troops. Funny how that works.
Regarding the poll on what Jesus would say…..
He would say Happy Chanukah! He was one of us! ROFLMAO
I love you, Goldy.
Dug
Roger Rabbit has posted 58.8% of the comments in this thread (including one in the filter). If John McDonald doesn’t like that, he should go to Sucky Politics (where Roger Rabbit has posted 00.0% of the comments) or some other rightwing circle-jerk where he can spend all day watching Republican clones jacking each other off.
Only taxpayers vote. Go on welfare/food stamps, you are a taker and do not have the right to vote yourself a free lunch!!!!
Bush wire taps towell head terrorists: BAD!!! Hillary steals 1000 FBI files [9 feet tall] and then does her “I can’t recall” routine: Just fine with commie lib “progressives”!! Democrats: traitors……………Kill them!!!
Goldy, “Tookie” is dead, but since dead Democrats vote, can “Tookie” still run for VP with Hillary in 2008??
What do you all want to bet the Republicans were using federal intelligence resources to sabotage Kerry’s campaign? I’d say damned good chance. I’m pretty sure what we’ve learned so far about Bush’s illegal domestic espionage is just the tip of the iceberg.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/17/05 @ 1:02 am
[RR, No mention of Queen Bitch Hillary’s 1000 FBI reports. Are you always this stupid???]
Electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens. No court order. No declaration of war by Congress. Any of you trolls care to explain how this is NOT a federal crime? Hmmmm?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/17/05 @ 1:35 am
[Hey Traitor Roger, I must have missed your outrage about Hillary’s 1000 stolen FBI files. No crime there, right?? Liberals: “guvment” parasites………Kill them!!]
Ann Coulter is right. Round up the parasite liberals and send them to the Hillary Village of Haiti. [No evil Republicans aroung for miles!!!!]
Roger,
Yes, I would support impeachment if President Bush ordered the NSA to spy on Democrats for campaign purposes. Now if there is a rogue Democrat out there having conversations with terrorist overseas, my answer would be no.
michael @ 4: Another obvious reason the report has not been released is that they found absolutely nothing, which is par for the course as far as GOP led investigations go.
Does anyone else but me find it ironic that Iraq has a democracy and free health care but the US doesn’t?
I see there’s a giant Westlake rally today to put the “X” back in “Xmas” (though it seems equally oriented toward putting the “$” back in “$mas” … participants even get free parking in downtown commercial hot zones).
Now, I’m all for getting ‘nogged up and dancing around the Xmas tree, loitering under the mistletoe, and likewise honoring all the other ancient pagan symbols of the solstice season, BUT …
What are we doing about putting “Chan” back in “Chanukkah”, and “Kwan” back in “Kwanzaa”? How about a giant dim sum event in the Intenational District — with free parking, naturally?
Windie
Thanks for layering that in. 14 posts to get to Nazis.
Wierd, I’ve never accused Dem thugs of being nazis, brownshirts, jackbooted, fascists, stiff arms, italians, germans, krauts, huns, or whatever..
@18 If they found nothing, all the more reason to release the report rather than suppress it. I’m not buying that excuse.
“Those who are willing to trade civil liberties for temporary security, deserve neither”
Benjamin Franklin
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. – Patrick Henry
Is that Impeachment I smell cooking?
@18 If they found nothing, all the more reason to release the report rather than suppress it. I’m not buying that excuse.
Comment by Michael @ 22 above
Sure, Mike. You believe what you want. After all, you appear to rely on the editorial pages of the WSJ for factual information, which of course, is absurd. I see the NRO and Novak are all echoing the same line. Funny how that happens. Just like the fucking bunch of trained sheep they are.
They also claim GOP legislators were hornswaggled by the dems and their “stealth” amendment to a recent appropriations bill. So, from this it seems safe to assert that the GOP, which controls all three branches of government (that includes the Dept. of Justice, just so you know, Mike)cannot get its hands on this $22 million report which will blow the lid off the malfeasance in the Clinton Admin. and Hillary in particular, and they were DUPED BY THE (essentially powerless) MINORITY PARTY.
If this is the case, then clearly the GOP does not deserve to govern. They are both stupid and inept.
You remember the black helicopters, Mike? Troopergate? The alleged murder of Vince Foster? You believed that stuff, too, didn’t you?
I also witnessed an amazing event at a high school basketball game last night in front of a packed gymnasium. After the game was over, the kids met at center court, bowed their heads and prayed together. Some kids from the stands also joined in. 3 kids on one team opted out. No adults were involved. One teams fans (adults) were stunned…some were outraged at this “evangelical display”. It appeared to me that it was merely a wonderful form of exercising free speech.
Merry Christmas Roger!!
Too bad 9/11 didn’t hit the NY Times Building. 2000 dead “progressives”! I bet their editorial tone would be a little different. JCH
LEFT TURN Would you have a heart transplant in Iraq because
it is free. Better yet your 5 year old daughter needs a new
heart. Are you wanting a free one with a surgeon that doesn’t
really strive to be good because it don’t pay any different.
Get the point. Too many lawyers and too many people filing
lawsuits (mostly democrats looking for free money). If all
of us would just pay for the small things of our healthcare
and let the insurance cover the big stuff I think it would be
more affordable for all. I was picking up a prescription one
time and the woman in front of me was complaining about a 10
dollar co-pay for her meds. Im self employed and I get to pay
100 percent. You know what, the drugs cost alot because it
costs alot to DEVELOP those drugs. ALOT. So quit bitching
and be thankful that you can even get some help with whatever
ailment you are afflicted with. Remember boys and girls
NOTHING IS FREE. If you are getting something (whatever it is)
someone PAID for it.
Matthew 6:5-6: “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men….when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret….”
as long as it’s of their own free will and not school sponsored, those kids should be able to pray together if they want, where ever they may be. It’s their right.
Screw the adults if they can’t handle the fact that the kids might have their own faith. If it’s not the schools’ doing, then those adults have nothing to complain about.
And I’m about as anti-religious as it gets.
Opponents of staff cuts at newspapers owned by the Tribune Co., including The Sun and the Los Angeles Times, fanned out yesterday in downtown Baltimore to press their case that the reductions will compromise the press’ ability to serve as society’s watchdog. An activist from MoveOn Media Action, which has criticized cutbacks at eight Tribune newspapers, told The Sun that the nationwide campaign will continue until the Chicago company stops reducing staffs to save money. [Job cuts at the “progressive” newspapers, but, hey!!! They are hiring at evil capitalist WALMART!! [hehe]]
“Meantime, whilst the doors of the temple stand open, night and day, before every man, and the oracles of this truth cease never, it is guarded by one stern condition; this, namely; it [the religious impulse] is an intuition. It cannot be received at second hand. Truly speaking, it is not instruction, but provocation, that I can receive from another soul. What he announces, I must find true in me, or wholly reject; and on his word, or as his second, be he who he may, I can accept nothing. On the contrary, the absence of this primary faith is the presence of degradation. As is the flood so is the ebb. Let this faith depart, and the very words it spake, and the things it made, become false and hurtful. Then falls the church, the state, art, letters, life. The doctrine of the divine nature being forgotten, a sickness infects and dwarfs the constitution.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson Divinity School Address, 1838
The coercion of peer pressure involved in such a display, undoubtedly advanced by one of the teams jocks who is also on the student council — the one who’ll sell insurance one day, is actually antithetical to what Emerson refered to as the “sentiment of virtue.”
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hear, hear! Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it cynical, irrelevant BOZO @ 26
Voter Advocate and Clueless-
Predictably, you are once again on the cutting edge of being offended by free speech that is not harmful to you….or anyone for that matter. You KLOWNS are the Empty-Shell types that appear to believe that you clearly understand all their is to life and beyond. Kind of hopeless for you 2, isn’t it????
It’s hard for me to imagine that God’s plan is for us to merely live our 80 or so years of life on Earth and that’s it. If you believe that, why are you all soooooooooooo easily agitated???? Neither of you have that many years left on Earth. You only have your New Age Progressive moral compass which appears to spin around like a FAN ON HIGH SPEED!!!
Merry Christmas to both of you!
I was at lunch the other day with a Jewish buddy of mine and a mutual acquaintance came up and wish us both a Merry Christmas. I said Merry Christmas back. My Jewish buddy reponded, “Thanks, but I’m Jewish……but Merry Christmas to YOU!!!”
Perfect….Perfect…..Perfect Response. He politely let the other person know he was Jewish but honored the fact that an enthusiastic about Christmas person would care enough to say Merry Christmas by wishing her a Merry Christmas.
It gets much better…..the woman paused for a moment and looked at my Jewish buddy and said, “Well, Happy Hanukkah to you!”
My buddy smiled and said, “Thank you so very much!!!”
PS—Goldy, Hannukah begins on Sunday, December 25th at sundown. Just thought you might like to know!!!
And to the 3% of you offended by Merry Christmas (according to the recent Gallup Poll), I’d appears the appropriate thing to say might be Have a Nice Day!!!!…although that may offend about half of you grumps who love living in darkness.
Mr. Cynical @ 31: “You KLOWNS are the Empty-Shell types that appear to believe that you clearly understand all their is to life and beyond. Kind of hopeless for you 2, isn’t it????”
Your arguments would be much more credible if you wouldn’t lapse into broad categorizations that have very little basis in reality. Do you really think in such simplistic terms, or is this just for show?
Hey Wabbit – Didja notice gas dropped another nickel per gallon this week?
Tell me, which do you think caused this:
1) The Invisible Hand
2) The raw political might of Senator Windfall
why are you all soooooooooooo easily agitated????
Agitated. Nope. Merely irritated by a holier than thou, self-righteous bozo like you!
By the way, Jesus had a problem with the wingnuts of his day. They were called the Pharisees. Hypocrites!
Jerry Springer, Jr. @ 33—
Ooops, sorry I forgot about you Jerry!
I should have said “you THREE KLOWNS”!!!
You know Jerry, if the red rubber nose and yarn hair fit….
What a laugh! Apparently, the BOZO here believes God’s plan for him is to act like a Horse’s Ass on HA.org!
Well, you know what? Maybe it’s true!
Clueless–
You are my favorite KLOWN! Favorite doesn’t mean I have even an ounce of respect for your LEFTIST PINHEADED drivel. But I sure am happy you keep spewing your grumpy, hopeless garbage. People listen to you and eventually move away from the chronic negativism. You have on many occassions expressed a desire that folks you disagree with “go elsewhere” or be “banned”. That’s why I appreciate Rabbit….he doesn’t go down that futile path. He may have eaten way too many insecticide laced carrots where his mind falters occassionally…..but he is consistently every bit as big of an asshole as I am. And for that I salute you Roger.
As for Clueless, he is a panty-wearing woosie from the Brokeback District!!! Formerly the Freemount District. KLOWN extraordinaire!
You have on many occassions expressed a desire that folks you disagree with “go elsewhere” or be “banned”.
Many? A few maybe… How long have we listened to the broken record that is the bozo? The name-calling and self-aggrandizing crap that you claim is just good humor?
It’s like chinese water torture.
I’m pretty cheerful actually. The wingnuts have been losing, people are getting fed up with them and so far I see that continuing.
If it doesn’t turn out that way, yeah, I’ll be grumpy but it will only be temporary because the pendulum has to swing back the other way eventually.
Sorry.
Bozo @ 38 always make a lot of his sense of humor. As the song goes:
Bozo, Bozo, always laughs never frowns. Bozo, Bozo, Bozo the clown!
If the song fits…
@ 31
Neither of you have that many years left on Earth. You only have your New Age Progressive moral compass which appears to spin around like a FAN ON HIGH SPEED!!!
Odd, Matthew is assumed to have written his gospen between 42 and 70 AD and Emerson was one of the great religious thinkers of the 19th century. This is new age?
The issue isn’t freedom of speech. Sure, those kids have a perfect right to dress up in Bozo suits and honk bicycle horns, too. They just can’t demand that they not be criticized, and neither can you.
gospel, that is.
Isn’t it a disappointment that the terrorists in Iraq have been unable to:
Stop the election of an interim government
Stop the drafting and approval of a constitution
Stop the election of an Iraqi government.
Such a disappointment. And horrors of horrors, U.S. troops may leave Iraq before they leave Bosnia.
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(c) People scrapping their SUVs and buying more eco-friendly and fuel-efficient hybrid cars.
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(d) People staying home in lonely solitude instead of visiting friends and family because they can’t afford the fucking gas.
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(e) Fewer people driving to work because their jobs have been outsourced to India and China.
Yep, Georgie, Darth Cheney and Karl are taking out some troops just in time for the 2006 elections – and they’ll keep enough in to keep the whole mess that is Iraq from falling into complete Civil War!
They’re not going to let anything spoil the playground they’ve made for themselves if they can help it.
Clueless–
Isn’t it just horrible that all those Iraqi’s (nearly 10 million) voted??? If anything good happens over there, you shudder in disgust, don’t you numbnutz.
Your Christian-Hating diatribes overwhelm what a reasonable, compassionate person of any faith or political leanings feel. Only the fringe lunatic LEFTIST PINHEADS like yorself could find joy in failure and look for fault in a monumental success.
Wake up and smell the sulfur you loser!!!
Breaking News: Saddam Hussein is to write a children’s book to escape his execution!
This book will be distributed to Iraqi schools, said his attorneys told.They also disclosed a sample of themes:
Jihad isn’t cool!
What would Jesus do?
How I ever secretly loved the Kurds
Israel rulez!
God bless America!
Grandpa Saddam’s allotment garden
My best friend George
How to have a shave without getting decapitated
more to come
Wabbit 45 and 46 – That’s the invisible hand at work. That’s exactly what is supposed to happen. And most of the burden landed on those who are least productive which ia also exactly the way it should be so that that scarce commodity finds its best use.
We agree. Wow…
Well DJ, yer 0 fer 2 trying to get me branded. Nobody even bothered replying either time.
Do you feel stupid? Asshole?
© People scrapping their SUVs and buying more eco-friendly and fuel-efficient hybrid cars.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/17/05 @ 2:25 pm [Er, Roger, Would this include the Kennedys and the Kerrys?? Something about Gulfstreams and 110 foot Chris Crafts……..hehe….Democrats: Right out of Animal Farm]
Hey Dj – Since you’re obviously offended by some of the things I’ve said, instead of trying to brand me, why don’t you instead try to debate me logically on anything I’ve said.
1) If I understand you, you think there are definite limits we should stop at when trying to get information out of suicidal maniacs who wish to kill all of us. Why? Doesn’t anything go when it’s matter of life and death?
2a) Also, you seem to take exception to my suggestions about honest elections. Aren’t legal voters “disenfranchised” (to use favorite moonbat term) when illegal votes are counted?
2b) The Murkan system of self government is unique in the world, and it has what has made us so successful. Self determination, freedom, limited government, power flowing from people to government, property rights, states rights, etc are all unique in the world. Yet we’ve allowed our culture to become polluted with other ideas that are demonstrate failures. So why isn’t it reasonable to require that people first understand the ideas that made us great before they are allowed to vote, and potentially fuck it up.
2c) Don’t you agree that it’s stupid on its face to let some people (the Takers) vote to take money from other people (the Producers). If that’s how it works, why would anyone want to be a producer? And if there are no producers what happens to civilization? Do you think Atlas won’t Shrug?
So if you’re such a fucking genius, such a smart guy…. or if any of you other moonbats want to take me on, have at it. One rule though…. use of the word “nazi” and you are automatically disqualified.
Jewish Americans speak out on Iraq.
Republican Jewish Coalition to Launch Ad Campaign Countering Reform Movement’s Anti-War Position
Monday, December 12, 2005
See the ad here.
The Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) will launch a large-scale print ad campaign beginning December 13th in the New York Times and many other newspapers, to counter the Union for Reform Judaism’s critical statements against the war in Iraq.
The URJ recently passed a resolution in opposition to the Iraq war, and their president Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie charged, “The sentiment was clear and overwhelming, American Jews, and all Americans, are profoundly critical of this war and they want this Administration to tell us how and when it will bring our troops home.” Dr. Michael Rankin, URJ Board of Trustee, added, “This is not a just war.”
“The reform movement does not speak for all Jews, or for all Reform Jews,” said RJC Executive Director Matt Brooks.
To demonstrate this, 180 signatories, including two past Chairmen of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, from across the country have attached their names to a full-page newspaper ad that states the reform movement does not speak for all Jews. Other signers include rabbis and cantors; national political leaders such as Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI), Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN), Congressman Eric Cantor (R-VA), as well as state and local elected officials.
“It is essential that we show the country that the Reform movement does not speak for the American Jewish community,” said Brooks. “Many American Jews support this President and recognize that Iraq is the central battle in the War on Terror. We will win in Iraq because the future security of the United States and our friends around the world depends on our victory.
“A wide-range of political opinions exists within the American Jewish community,” Brooks stressed, “and the RJC’s ad campaign emphasizes that the URJ is wrong to assume that all Jews share their anti-war views.”
http://www.rjchq.org/News.asp?.....038;ID=976
48 – OOHHHH boy right on cue again with the latest wingnut talking point.
My response: sure it’s great! Can we take our soldiers out of the meatgrinder that we set into motion over there? Can we stop the losing of lives, body parts and the hemorraghing of billions of treasure that my kids and their kids will have to pay for?
What will happen? Some soldiers will come home but a lot will stay because the U.S. wants an American police precinct in Iraq to take the place of the one in Saudi Arabia we just vacated. A lot of the Iraqis will want us to leave but that won’t happen because the Kurds want us to stay. Worse comes to worse we “redeploy” to Kurdistan and Kuwait and we’re right back to square one patrolling the northern and southern frontiers of a region only instead of containing Saddam we’re containing a hornet’s nest of Shia and Sunnis settling old scores.
You’ve made something of what a big rich guy you are because you “worked hard”. You’re not working so hard now are you, but what the hell you earned it. And now life is doubly sweet because George Bush has cut your taxes and wants to keep on cutting! Didn’t the House just cut another 90 some billion in taxes?
And a middle income guy like me who works hard and his kids and his grandkids are going to have to pay for the whole debacle and for the rehab and therapy for those surviving soldiers while ASSHOLES like you (your words) skate! Got any heirs? Wow they’re going to have it sweet as well. Your estate won’t owe a dime to the soldiers who defended it if George Bush and company have their way!
Yes, life is indeed sweet! Happy Holidays! BOZO!
52 – MTR: agree or disagree?
1) You feel a strong tug in your heart at the symbols of patriotism: flags, mottoes, patriotic songs, etc. You’d like to see it everywhere if possible to remind people they live in the greatest nation on earth.
2) You believe the enemies of your country as you see them aren’t entitled to any “human rights”.
3) You believe liberals and other groups in this country who disagree with the current political course should be ignored or shouted down and if they get too uppity you wish they would just “go away”.
4) You believe the highest government spending priority bar none is the military, police, intelligence agencies and homeland security. You believe soldiers, military, intelligence and law enforcement agents live noble lives that all americans should aspire to.
5) You believe that men are more capable and suited for leadership and government. You believe the country is better off when women “know their place”.
6) You believe the media should acquiese to whatever the goverment needs from them when the goverment needs it. A good newspaper or magazine always write favorable stories about the current goverment’s programs or policies.
7) You believe America is under severe threat from its enemies. You believe the world is a bad neighborhood and it’s 2 o’clock in the morning.
8) You believe the country is better off when religion works closely with the goverment like in George Bush’s faith based initiatives. You believe religious charity is the best form of social program.
9) You believe the country is better off when the shackles of taxation and regulation are removed from corporations. You see nothing wrong with a revolving door between government and business and the closest of ties between corporations and government.
10) You believe every state in the union should be a “right to work” state. You believe the time of labor unions has passed, they are irrelevant and the country would be better off if they faded away completely.
11) You believe academia and the artistic community are completely corrupt and if they dissent and show any unpatriotic tendencies should have their funding cut or otherwise see 3 above.
12) You believe police and homeland security should have all the resources necessary like the Patriot Act to enforce the laws. You believe civil rights get in the way of effective law enforcement.
13) You believe the political leadership should have the leeway to appoint anyone they need to positions of leadership. If the President wants Mike Brown to come back to FEMA, he should come back. You believe the advise and consent clause of the Constitution should be just a mere formality and is generally just a waste of time. You believe the federal goverment owns too much land and resources and they should be all auctioned off to the highest bidder.
14) You believe in highest of standards for voting in elections: strict rules with no exceptions, literacy and “producer” status. You believe voting is a privilege, something that has to be earned and not the birthright of American citizens.
If you believe in all of that, I feel sorry for you.
Hey, “Comment” I suspect that is not an original list. If it is, I apologize. But, if not I would like to have the source for another use. Thanks.
Clueless
1) You feel a strong tug in your heart at the symbols of patriotism: flags, mottoes, patriotic songs, etc. You’d like to see it everywhere if possible to remind people they live in the greatest nation on earth.
We do live in the greatest nation on earth. Ever. Don’t you think so?
2) You believe the enemies of your country as you see them aren’t entitled to any “human rights”.
No, they are not. None. None at all.
3) You believe liberals and other groups in this country who disagree with the current political course should be ignored or shouted down and if they get too uppity you wish they would just “go away”.
I believe no one is completely useless. They can always be used as a bad example. Ted Kennedy and Chucky Schumer and “Rev” Jackson and the rest of the hate fill extremists can point the right way for us, by pointing the wrong way. So I’m satisfied if they’re “a nuisance, but not a threat.”
4) You believe the highest government spending priority bar none is the military, police, intelligence agencies and homeland security. You believe soldiers, military, intelligence and law enforcement agents live noble lives that all americans should aspire to.
Yes, absolutely. The whole concept of “entitlements” for takers who have fucked up their lives through a lifetime of bad choices is evil on its face.
5) You believe that men are more capable and suited for leadership and government. You believe the country is better off when women “know their place”.
It’s not that women can’t serve capably, but more that they choose not to. Face it, women have different priorities than men. That’s not bad. It’s just the way it is. So while most men work hard to build a career, for most women it’s just a choice. Consequently they treat it as such, and generally they are much less qualified than men because they simply haven’t worked at it as hard as men.
6) You believe the media should acquiese to whatever the goverment needs from them when the goverment needs it. A good newspaper or magazine always write favorable stories about the current goverment’s programs or policies.
No, not at all. The “MSM” is hopelessly partisan on the left. A real media should report on what’s happening. But today’s MSM has long since been corrupted and is now nearly worthless. That’s why you see the decline of newspapers and TV “News” and the rise of blogs and talk radio.
7) You believe America is under severe threat from its enemies. You believe the world is a bad neighborhood and it’s 2 o’clock in the morning.
There is evil in the world. Always has been. Always will be. They wait and attack us when we’re weak usually after a long reign of Dem leadership. Then the adults have to step in and clean up the mess.
8) You believe the country is better off when religion works closely with the goverment like in George Bush’s faith based initiatives. You believe religious charity is the best form of social program.
Government “charity” is a demonstrable failure which leads only to hopelessness, despair and unhealthy dependency. Person to person help WITH ACCOUNTABILITY is infinitely better than government handouts.
9) You believe the country is better off when the shackles of taxation and regulation are removed from corporations. You see nothing wrong with a revolving door between government and business and the closest of ties between corporations and government.
I believe people and corporations ought to be allowed to keep most of THEIR money. After all, we did the hard work to earn it. To suggest that someone else is “entitled” to the fruits of my life energy is evil. The rest of what you said is stupid.
10) You believe every state in the union should be a “right to work” state. You believe the time of labor unions has passed, they are irrelevant and the country would be better off if they faded away completely.
Not at all. I’m a member of a union.
11) You believe academia and the artistic community are completely corrupt and if they dissent and show any unpatriotic tendencies should have their funding cut or otherwise see 3 above.
They should pay their own way.
12) You believe police and homeland security should have all the resources necessary like the Patriot Act to enforce the laws. You believe civil rights get in the way of effective law enforcement.
No, police and homeland security should use every tool at their disposal in the right situation. Certainly Patriot Act opens the door to mischief especially in the hands of miscreant politicians. I’m OK with GWB having it, but can you imagine Her Highness with this power. That’s scary….
13) You believe the political leadership should have the leeway to appoint anyone they need to positions of leadership. If the President wants Mike Brown to come back to FEMA, he should come back. You believe the advise and consent clause of the Constitution should be just a mere formality and is generally just a waste of time. You believe the federal goverment owns too much land and resources and they should be all auctioned off to the highest bidder.
Jobs should be given to the most highly qualifed person. Pigment and plumbing should not be factors. Brown was an idiot obviously. Not sure where you’re going with advise and consent… should kooks like Ted Kennedy be able to fillibuster SCOTUS nominees? No. And yes, fed gummint owns too much land.
14) You believe in highest of standards for voting in elections: strict rules with no exceptions, literacy and “producer” status. You believe voting is a privilege, something that has to be earned and not the birthright of American citizens.
I think we need honest elections with only legal vote counting. I think you need to understand the unique American culture and how it works and why it works and where it came from. And if you have a conflict of interest in the vote (you stand to gain from stealing money from others) than you can’t vote until you’re off the dole.
Good post. Good questions for once. Am I wrong? If so, tell me WHY.
Comment, you forgot that only landowners should be able to vote.
Mark – No, not just landowners should vote. But you need to show you are a Producer and not a Taker. There’s a difference…
Why is this so fucking hard for you moonbats to understand? When the Takers can vote to take the fruits of the Producers, why would anybody want to be a Producer? Atlas Shrugs fercrisfuckingsakes. Every time.
Clueless–
None of us have any problem with you lounging around all by yourself on Christmas Day worshipping your beloved DINGLEBERRY SHRUB you KLOWN!! In fact, bring one to City Hall and explain to those who will listen the fascinating story of your faith in NOTHING!
MTR, Hey Im on your side. I agree with you completely. Im
surprised you are in the union. Lunchtime must be a joy for you.
Merry Christmas to you!
Clueless @55
I know these were for MTR, but since I have some time: my answers:
1)I feel great when I see the flag and stand at attention for the national anthem. What others may do or feel is not something to be concerned with, unless they are a fire hazard burning flags.
2)Hmmm, does this include the French? If not, my answer is no.
3)I have a number of friends and several relatives who are liberal in their views. If I did not like it I would quit associating with them, but honestly if all we talked about were politics, we would not have the enjoyment that comes from association.
4)I would rate it pretty high, but the government has many areas of responsibility.
5)As I told MTR regarding his vaginal fallacy, the senior Senator from Texas is Kay Bailey Hutchison(R). Blanket misstatements are not merely bad, but particularly when proven wrong.
6)That reminds me of the book “1984”
7)Ridiculous. My watch says it is ~8 pm.
8)What is the problem with that? The government can’t do everything itself. Interestingly, the Katrina lawlessness problems ended when the National Guard and other military units took control of New Orleans. Having a competent military capable of action is the reason why I responded the way I did @ issue 4
9)I am thoroughly for taxing corporations that make a profit.
10)To a point. My wife works for a union (UFCW). Beginning next year, in addition to her paying her weekly dues, she gets to pay for her co-workers medical. See, she doesn’t use their medical she uses mine. If I did not use my company medical, the company would give me $600. There is something wrong in union la-la-land
11)No, just do the free speech thingy and stop trying to limit the college Republicans. Folks like Ward Churchill should be given the mike more often, IMO. They make it easy to forget about corrupt Republicans.
12)I believe civil rights are important, just like having a strong military is important. The Patriot Act has several provisions expiring. Fine. I hope they were not necessary.
13)What advise and consent actually means is to determine a person’s qualification to the job that he or she is being appointed. It does not mean you can or should oppose somebody merely on the basis of ideology.
14)No, but the rule of law is important. If something bad occurs over and over again, shouldn’t it be fixed? That is why Judge Bridges criticized KC elections when he handed down his opinion on the Rossi debacle.
Goldy,
Your filter chewed me up again…
Mark – No, not just landowners should vote. But you need to show you are a Producer and not a Taker. There’s a difference…
Why is this so fucking hard for you moonbats to understand? When the Takers can vote to take the fruits of the Producers, why would anybody want to be a Producer? Atlas Shrugs fercrisfuckingsakes. Every time.
Comment by Mark The Redneck — 12/17/05 @ 5:31 pm [Post Of The Week. I’m surprised Goldy let it through his filter. JCH]
5 Posts…..5 posts caught in the filter. Rabbit, 25 posts, and no problem. Goldy. why does this remind me of how Democrats run elections?? [hehe]
MTR – ok, your response is interesting.
First it doesn’t look like you clicked through to my link at the end. All I did in my post was restate Britt’s 14 characteristics of fascism. On the whole you looked at my post favorably (“Good questions for once”) as if it struck a favorable chord with you – that’s not a good sign. It tells me you’d get along just fine in Pinochet’s Chile, Suharto’s Indonesia, Franco’s Spain, Mussolini’s Italy etc. These men gained power through demagoguery and brute force. They maintained their power though manipulating the symbols of ultra-nationalism and hyping the fear of enemies. They turned their respective countries into economic backwaters through cronyism and corruption.
Obviously John McCain who was tortured in Vietnam disagrees with you about human rights. Is he helping America’s enemies because he doesn’t want to see America torturing them? Americans shouldn’t lower themselves to the level of their enemies. One it doesn’t accomplish much and two we wouldn’t want it done to ourselves.
A lot of your other responses show more sexism and a yearning for a simplistic black and white view of things. Women are appointed to positions of leadership because it’s good politics. Women are voters. Women are citizens. Women want options in life just like men – not just staying home “in their place” or suffering quietly under a glass ceiling. It goes without saying that a woman appointed to a leadership job has to be able to do the work. What I just said applies to people of color as well.
However, you belong to a union. That is a good sign. Fascists see unions and their supportive rank and file as enemies of the state like communists. If this country turned farther to the right and Washington state was taken over by that brand of Republican then it would be almost a certainty that WA would turn “right to work”. You could find one day that your union would be decertified and you might be forced to compete against others for less pay. How would you feel then? We all know union seniority isn’t a perfect system but how would you feel if the boss’s son, relative or friend of a friend got promoted over you or took your job? Happens every day in non-union shops. It’s called nepotism and cronyism.
In general, I think there’s hope for you but it’s really slim.
Marks – If you want your posts to get through, you must use words like shit, piss, cock, cunt, motherfucker, and screw. You can call Goldy a cocksucking hymie kyke if you want. YOu can even say “nigger” if you want.
But if you refer to a system whereby wealth is redistributed, you must refer to it by an alias such as “grouchoandharpoism” because to call it what it is, apparently offends some people.
Hey, right-leaning folks…I have a serious question for y’all.
I know that some folks on the right are very sensitive to the use of the term “fascist” to refer to individuals who demonstrate such tendencies.
Comment by dj— 12/16/05 @ 11:38 pm
So wanting people to be a legal citizen before they can vote make you a facist? Subjecting terrorists to wearing womens panties on their head makes you a facist? Well pencil me in! Of course coming from the commie left that is a compliment. The definition of a facist to the left is laughable to most Americans. Just like their definition of what “is” is.
RUFUS @ 64
“So wanting people to be a legal citizen before they can vote make you a facist?”
Nope…that idea is universally held by almost everyone in every democracy. Apparently, you didn’t actually finish reading MTR’s comments.
“Subjecting terrorists to wearing womens panties on their head makes you a facist?”
Perhaps (although I though MTR threw that one in as humor). Torturing people is fascist. And we are not talking about people who have been convicete or even charged with anything. Just people we “suspect.”
Yeah…that seems much closer to fascism than it is to traditional (i.e. pre-2001 or, is it just pre-2000?) American values.
“Well pencil me in!”
Noted. RUFUS does not believe in universal sufferage and he is in favor of torturing people who are only suspected of crimes. Fucking anti-American asshole!
RUFUS – Let me explain… one of the techniques used by people who can’t win arguments on a logical basis is to instead attack their opponents on a personal basis. One of their favorite plays is to brand their opponents with a label that automatically eliminates them from the discussion. For example, if a person is acknowledged by everyone in the debate to be a “racist” or a “nazi” or a “fascist”, then that person is no longer able to engage in the debate on a prima facie basis.
So it’s actually a victory for our side when guys like me are attacked and attempts made to label me as DJ has attempted and failed twice to do. When they do that, it means that I cannot be defeated through use of logic and reason, and they instead go to a weak “Plan B”. This always happens to the left when their actual ideas are broken down to their essential elements and exposed plainly.
Mark The Redneck @ 63
“If you want your posts to get through, you must use words like shit, piss, cock, cunt, motherfucker, and screw. “
No…as usual, you are wrong.
The filter does not pass-through posts based on certain words. It filters words that commonly show up in spam posts.
These comment threads would be nearly useless without the filter (as in: there would be on the order of 500 to 2000 spam posts added each day to comment threads).
Although you might like the gambling spam. Apparently you like to gamble but don’t make good on your bets.
Fucking schmuck.
@25 So release the report already. This report needs to be just as forthcoming as the Fitzgerald report. You are ready to hang Bush because he let the NSA listen on people who like to call up Al Qaeda operatives, but you hide reports that the Clintons used the NSA, the FBI, the CIA, the DoJ, and the IRS to harrass their political enemies in this country. Hypocrite much?
DJ – So a nazi facist racist like you wants illegal votes to count?
Mark the Redneck @ 66
“So it’s actually a victory for our side when guys like me are attacked and attempts made to label me as DJ has attempted and failed twice to do.”
A victory for you, is MTF? Then, I trust you will not mind being referred to as Mark the Fascist.
By the way, I should point out the flaw in your argument. (As usual, you fuck up.) I did not label you a fascist. I simply asked other posters whether the opinions you expressed warranted such a label. But, if you feel “victory” in thinking I labeled you as such, I will oblige.
Mark the Fascist @ 69
“So a nazi facist racist like you wants illegal votes to count?”
So, have you quit beating your mother yet, Marky F?
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Hey Dj – Let’s see you attempt to debate me on a factual and logical basis. Can you do it??? Do you dare even attempt to take on one of your betters you ignorant fuck?
Mark the Fascist @ 72
“Hey Dj – Let’s see you attempt to debate me on a factual and logical basis. Can you do it???”
In all fairness, I have seen you engage in a good heartfelt and factual debate, but these are exceedingly rare events. For the most part, you show no inclinations to debate honestly.
But, I am inclined to simply exhibit contempt for someone who isn’t honest enough to pay off his bets.
“Do you dare even attempt to take on one of your betters you ignorant fuck?”
Sure…in the rare event I find such a person. :-)
Marxist
Hey, the KLOWNS banner word goes right thru the filter MTR.
Apparently they are no longer offended at being called what they really are.
Mr. Cynical,
“Marxist” has never triggered a “hold” on a post. Apparently the author of the wordpress spam filter that Goldy uses did not believe that spammers include this word in posts. Why “soc1a11st?” Beats the hell out of me. Most other words that trigger a “hold” are far more logical.
And DJ is so weak intellectually that he won’t even attempt to take me on. Ignorant fuck…
Hey DJ, how does it feel to get your ass kicked? This is ultimate victory… and the mainstay of military theory… that an enemy when faced with overwhelming odds chooses not to engage. Victory with no bloodshed.
dj sez:
““Marxist” has never triggered a “hold” on a post. Apparently the author of the wordpress spam filter that Goldy uses did not believe that spammers include this word in posts”
Interesting that Marxist doesn’t trigger a hold and $ocialist does. Interesting that LEFTIST PINHEAD and KLOWN don’t either!
OOPS–
$ocialist triggers a Hold???
How about S0shulist???
Can somebody explain Nobel Prizes and nominations to me? I don’t get it…
President Reagan. through bold leadership and brilliant strategy defeated the USSR and ended the Cold War. He freed hundreds of millions of people around the world. He stopped the kililng. He called evil what it was, confronted it and defeated it. Did he get a Nobel Peace Prize? No. Was he nominated? No.
Tookie Williams founded an organization that killed thousands of people. He himself was a brutal murderer. He left a legacy of untold suffering and misery. Yet he gets nominated for a “Peace” prize.
The Worst President of the 20th Century received a Nobel for capitulating to an emerging enemy and making us look like fools. By failing to confront evil in its formative stages, he let it metastasize to what it is today.
WTF? This kind of shit is only explainable by a delerious moonbat… the types who crawl here. Can any of you “educate” me?
@54, Dummie Helper
I like your comment about a hornet’s nest….. it’s good and I hope your are not right.
That said, the US Army never seems to be able to leave, we’ve had soldiers in Japan forever, soldiers in Korea forever, soldiers in Germany forever, soldiers in Turkey foever, soldiers on permanent rotation in Egypt, soldiers in Bosnia, soldiers all over Central America, soldier is Kuwait, soldiers in Qatar, the list goes on and Army soldiers are stationed in over 100 countries and they have been in the those countries for years. So, I’m thinking why should Iraq be any different?
Mark the Fascist @ 77
“Hey DJ, how does it feel to get your ass kicked?”
Ohhhhhhh…it feels sooooooo good Mark the Fascist! Kick me some more!
“This is ultimate victory… and the mainstay of military theory… that an enemy when faced with overwhelming odds chooses not to engage. Victory with no bloodshed.”
Hitting the bottle early tonight are ya, Markie F?
Michael @ 68-
Do you seriously believe with Republicans in control of the Presidency, Senate, House and a significant hold on the courts a report which has serious dirt on the Clinton’s is being withheld?
Come on!!!
The persecution complex really doesn’t work when you are in control. Get real.
Mark the Fascist @ 79
“Can somebody explain Nobel Prizes and nominations to me? I don’t get it…”
Well…the easiest thing would be for you to read the FAQ.
“President Reagan….Did he get a Nobel Peace Prize?”
No. If he was nominated, the Norwegian Nobel Committee did not believe his contributions warranted a prize.
“Was he nominated? No.”
He might well have been nominated. Nominations are not supposed to be disclosed for 50 years. From the Nobel Foundation:
“This kind of shit is only explainable by a delerious moonbat… the types who crawl here.”
“This kind of shit” is most easily explained by the fact that you liked Reagan and dislike Carter. Big fucking mystery.
“Can any of you “educate” me?”
Ummm…unless I misunderestimate you, it is unlikely you are “educatable.”
Jimmy Carter is a good man but was a terrible president. Four more years of Carter would have been disasterous. I love Ronald(the commie slayer)Regan.
Hey DJ- Wait a minute… go back and explain to me why illegal votes should count or why people should be able to vote to steal other people’s money. I’m still waiting.
Or explain to me why we shouldn’t beat the fuck out of terrorists if that’s what it takes to save Murkan lives… even yours…
RUFUS – Carter was not evil… I think he meant well. But he was an awful president. As Hannity pointed out, he took credit for the little good that did happen during his administration, and blamed The People for everything that went wrong. That’s not leadership…
Mark The Fascist @ 86
“Explain to me why illegal votes should count…”
They shouldn’t.
“or why people should be able to vote to steal other people’s money.”
People do not vote to steal other people’s money.
“Or explain to me why we shouldn’t beat the fuck out of terrorists if that’s what it takes to save Murkan lives… even yours… “
But, you should clarify whether you are talking about terrorist suspects or convicted terrorists. Obviously, convicted terrorists are eligible to be “tortured” through prison sentences or even the death sentence (e.g. Timothy McVeigh).
For terrorist suspects, it defies traditional American values, violates international law and violates domestic laws to administer torture.
Mark The Fascist @ 86
Should the U.S. torture people suspected of reneging on their bets?
Hey CluelessASS, you can call us hypocrites all you want. We’ll call your type sinners. What did Jesus call SATAN? Father of sin and all lies. Therefore you and your buddies are the spawn of SATAN!
Speaking of sinners — Roger Rabbit is a sinner! Thank God there’s a God, because Roger Rabbit’s soul needs a lot of saving! Roger Rabbit smokes, drinks, swears, fucks, and takes the Lord’s name in vain. But everything will be forgiven! So — go fuck yourselves, you God-damned Republicans!
See? I can play this game, too.
You know how those pseudo-Christian religio-fascists play the Jesus game? It works like this. They act mean to somebody. Then they pray and accept Jesus into their hearts and get forgiven. Then they go screw somebody else, because now that they’ve been saved, they can’t get into trouble, so they can do whatever they want because they won’t go to Hell for it. That’s how it works.
Well, Roger Rabbit also prayed and took Jesus into my heart, and I’ve been saved too! Sooooooo … go fuck yourselves, you God-damned Republicans!
I don’t see why the God-damned Republicans should have a monopoly on soul saving or bad behavior. The God-damned Republicans want a monopoly on every fucking thing! It seems to me there’s more than enough bad behavior to go around, so I don’t see why they should keep it all for themselves.
By the time I get to Heaven, those greedy GOP bastards will have subdivided it, and will be selling time shares in the lots.
I would rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
dj
Why hasn’t anyone considered passing a law that holds initiatives to a super majority needed to pass?
sgmmac @ 74
“Why hasn’t anyone considered passing a law that holds initiatives to a super majority needed to pass?”
I personally wouldn’t mind if a super majority was required to pass initiatives. Better yet, get rid of initiatives althgether and let the legislatures do the work we elect them to do. If this source is correct, only 24 of 50 states have some type of initiative process.
I am sure there are arguments in favor of citizens initiatives, but I spent most of my adult life in two states without them, so they seemed unnecessary to me. When I first moved to Washington in the late 1990s, we got hit with I695, which was a populist “free ice cream cones for all!” movement that undermined responsible management of the state highway infrastructure. That left a bad taste in my mouth about initiatives. (On the other hand, I’ve never been so involved in state politics as I have been in WA—in part, fighting initiatives like I912—so maybe that is a good thing).
In any case, any change (supermajority or elimination) would require a constitutional amendment. In Washington, I believe the legislature would have to do that since there is no provisions in our constitution for initiative-based constitutional amendments like there are in some other states.
DJ – Should tax increases also require a supermajority? I say Yes.
Sunday mornig paper comment…
How come the “Pacific” magazine in the paper features couplse with different names all the time? I mean, in a region of 3 million, certainly husband/wife combos where wife takes husbands name must be in the majority
Or does the Times edit/aim to represent only the dual namers, the hyphenateds…?
89 – John 8:1-11
Righton – Hyphen-name equals bitch.
Even worse, are the men who take hyphen names. Pathetic…
DJ
I wasn’t here for I-695. I did read a lot about the super majority after failures for school bonds. There are a lot of people who want to eliminate it just to pass them. The people who wrote about keeping them, talked about their vote to tax themselves was diluted with many votes by people who didn’t have a dog in the fight because they don’t own any property.
I have also read several articles about our form of government and that one of the original goals is that it protects the minority from a majority mob mentality. Would we have had civil rights when we did, if the simple 51% applied.
I am disturbed that our legislatures continues to punt, instead of work to get concensus and enact laws that benefit the greater society while protecting the minorities.
I also am growing weary of the widespread corruption and greed in all levels of government, public service and our society as a whole.
@99
Don’t move to Denmark, spouses have three choices. Husband can take wife’s last name, wife can take husband’s last name, or both can keep their own last names!
Arn’t choices wonderful?
By the time I get to Heaven, those greedy GOP bastards will have subdivided it, and will be selling time shares in the lots.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/18/05 @ 1:37 am
[Typical Democrat, Already worried who will pay his way to Heaven. There MUST be someone else to foot the bill!!]
By the time I get to Heaven, those greedy GOP bastards will have subdivided it, and will be selling time shares in the lots.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/18/05 @ 1:37 am
[Typical Democrat, Already worried who will pay his way to Heaven. There MUST be someone else to foot the bill!!]
Mark The Fascist @ 86
“Explain to me why illegal votes should count…â€
They shouldn’t.
“or why people should be able to vote to steal other people?s money.â€
People do not vote to steal other people’s money. [Er, DJ, The entire Democrat Party exists to “redistribute” [steal] money from those who EARN it to those who vote Democrat. Wake up, asshole!!]
@ 66, 123
Ah yes, those upstanding right-wing assholes who “earn” their money.
Like David H. Brooks, the defense contractor, who threw a $10M bat mitzvah party at the Rainbow Room in Manhattan for his 13-year-old daughter.
The War Profiteer
What does Brooks do to make enough cash to pay Aerosmith $2M to sing for his daughter (Kenny G was there, too, but I think not for Liza)?
His Point Blank Body Armor (a subsidiary of his DHB Industries — David H. Brooks Industies, get it?), is a company that supplies the Marines with bullet-proof vests. The cancelled Interceptor program millions of dollars to two primary contractors earning millions of dollars making the vest-like armor and its associated “systems”. Don’t cry for Brooks, though, he’ll continue to do very well replacing equipment that already fails in the field about 60 percent of the time, according to Pentagon sources.
Interceptor Body Armor
One of those up-standing “producers” MTR likes so much. Producing death. No redistribution of wealth going on for David, right?
MTR sez:
“Even worse, are the men who take hyphen names. Pathetic…
Comment by Mark The Redneck— 12/18/05 @ 9:31 am”
Those ain’t men Mark. Those are them thar METROSEXUAL’S!!
They want to be accepted as sympathetic and braod-minded….anything to get laid!! They are pathetic GNOMES!!
They have to ask Mommy if they can go pee-pee.
Nope…they ain’t real men Mark.
Panty wearin’ woosies!!
Redneck, I just wonder why you want to disenfranchise yourself. As I recall you’ve said your gig is investments, meaning you buy something, mark it up and then sell it. That means you dont produce anything. You really should reread Atlas Shrugged, you are a taker, not a producer. Or, wait, did you read it at all?
Bill – Dunno where you got the idea that my “gig is investments”. I’m a licensed engineer and MBA. I do investments with my savings.
edneck, I just wonder why you want to disenfranchise yourself. As I recall you’ve said your gig is investments, meaning you buy something, mark it up and then sell it. That means you dont produce anything. You really should reread Atlas Shrugged, you are a taker, not a producer. Or, wait, did you read it at all?
Comment by bill — 12/18/05 @ 1:23 pm [Er, Bill, Marketing and Retail sales are a service. In the private sector, Bill. “Guvment” Democrat hacks like Roger Rabbit are takers. Those that work in the PRIVATE sector pay taxes and are NEVER takers. Atlas has Shrugged, “Guvment” puke!!
@ 66, 123
Ah yes, those upstanding right-wing assholes who “earn†their money.
Like David H. Brooks, the defense contractor, who threw a $10M bat mitzvah party at the Rainbow Room in Manhattan for his 13-year-old daughter.
The War Profiteer
What does Brooks do to make enough cash to pay Aerosmith $2M to sing for his daughter (Kenny G was there, too, but I think not for Liza)?
His Point Blank Body Armor (a subsidiary of his DHB Industries – David H. Brooks Industies, get it?), is a company that supplies the Marines with bullet-proof vests. The cancelled Interceptor program millions of dollars to two primary contractors earning millions of dollars making the vest-like armor and its associated “systems”. Don’t cry for Brooks, though, he’ll continue to do very well replacing equipment that already fails in the field about 60 percent of the time, according to Pentagon sources.
Interceptor Body Armor
One of those up-standing “producers†MTR likes so much. Producing death. No redistribution of wealth going on for David, right?
Comment by Voter Advocate — 12/18/05 @ 11:34 am [Voter Advocate, I tend to agree. If Mr. David BrooksburgSteinLoeb stole from the taxpayer, he needs to fry. [Goldy, Typical NY Jew stealing from the taxpayers to have a NY Bar Mitzvah for his kid.] Goldy, Is this true?? Has another NY Jew stolen from the American taxpayer?? [BTW, who was the NY Jew [Clinton suck up] who ran Loral Corp and gave classified missile technology to the Commie Chinese?? Goldy, I’m sure you have an opinion on these traitor Jews!!!!!]
126…..Bill……..Who is John Gault??? [When the private sector taxpayers leave, the Democrat parasites will have to tax each other. Classic!! The blacks, welfare hacks, and “guvment pukes” who all produce nothing with be like the Grasshoppers [The Grasshoppers and The Ant]]
“Poop away”?? Is that really the way you want to address your readers? Is that really just a reflection of what you think of them?
The Left Leaning News Community Revealed.
http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664
HUDSON FALLS — It’s capable of reading license plate numbers on vehicles whipping by at speeds up to 120 mph, and then, seconds later, alerting authorities that a car is stolen or uninsured, and this new crime-fighting device was in the area Wednesday, allowing police to make several arrests. Called the Mobile Plate Hunter 900, the device consists of a set of lenses mounted on top of a car. [This is racist as it forces minority Democrats to actually buy auto insurance!!! hehe]