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Open Thread 11/23

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– Why not Washington?

– Thank God, my doctor was into Jesus!

– Jobs for America.

– No Congressional action? No problem!

– Technically, the trail user has the right-of-way, but is still expected to come to a stop.

– Ike’s speech if D-Day had been a failure is still moving.

– The end of every year means wading through the “Best Of” lists of numerous internet jack-offs, both trusted and despised.

Comments

  1. 1

    Can it get any more vile than this?

    When is enough, enough? It’s just indecent. This is what politics has become? We have to share our world with that?

    Would any of our rightist posters care to comment on Rush?

  2. 2

    Oh my lib scientist… The mother said the school was partially responsible. I listened to the show yesterday. He read from the LA Times Lib Headcase.

    The victim’s mother, Dawn King, revealed for the first time Monday that she had contacted school officials four days before the shooting in an effort to solicit their cooperation in toning down her son’s behavior. The boy had been taken from the Kings’ home two months earlier by authorities because of problems at home.

    She said she was told that her son had a civil right to explore his sexual identity.

    “I knew, gut instinct, that something serious was going to happen,” she said. “They should have contained him, contained his behavior.”

    Of course the Thoughtless Progressives would spin the story. And the resident headcase runs to the kook-aid without hearing or reading the real story!

  3. 3

    re 2: Are you saying that it’s OK to murder someone if you don’t like their behavior? That it’s their behavior that is the problem, not the killer’s?

    I don’t like Grover Norquist’s behavior.

  4. 4

    @ 2
    Really, puddy?

    The school is responsible for one sociopathic child firing a gun into the back of the head of another, because that second child, the victim, was too flamboyant? (whatever that is)

    Really? You agree with Rush that the school should have forced the victim to be more conforming? That the school is responsible because, as Rush says,

    “…because I’ll tell you, folks, what’s happening, especially in these blue states, what’s happening in these public schools, the last thing going on is what we’ve all thought of as traditional education.”

    Really, puddy? You agree with Rush?

  5. 5

    Bloomberg Business Week, a U.S.-based conservative pro-business news magazine, says one political party is solely to blame for the collapse of deficit negotiations — the GOP.

    http://www.businessweek.com/ma.....22011.html

    Republicans bargained in bad faith from the beginning. Here’s an example:

    “Republicans claim … they offered several proposals for raising revenue …. What they actually said, however, was that they would trade $250 billion in new revenue for a prolonged extension of the Bush-era tax cuts. Extending those cuts would have an impact of $3.7 trillion through 2019, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. So what the Republicans really offered was a bargain that reduced revenue by trillions of dollars.”

    So the question is, why do Republicans hate America, and why do they want to inflict a financial crisis on Americans? The answer seems to be: Because they’re stupid, craven, dishonest, and enslaved by Grover Norquist’s anti-government, anti-tax ideology of anarchy.

  6. 6

    headless dork,

    Where did I say that? Where did Rush say that?

    Lib Headcase Where did Rush say the school pulled the trigger?

    I can see you two didn’t listen to the show otherwise you’d know Rush was quoting the Newsweek article.

    Joy Epstein was one of the school’s three assistant principals, and as Larry became less inhibited, Epstein became more a source of some teachers’ confusion and anger. Epstein, a calm, brown-haired woman with bifocals, was openly gay to her colleagues, and although she was generally not out to her students, she kept a picture of her partner on her desk that some students saw. While her job was to oversee the seventh graders, she formed a special bond with Larry, who was in the eighth grade. He dropped by her office regularly, either for counseling or just to talk—she won’t say exactly. “There was no reason why I specifically started working with Larry,” Epstein says. “He came to me.” Some teachers believe that she was encouraging Larry’s flamboyance, to help further an “agenda,” as some put it. One teacher complains that by being openly gay and discussing her girlfriend (presumably, no one would have complained if she had talked about a husband), Epstein brought the subject of sex into school. Epstein won’t elaborate on what exactly she said to Larry because she expects to be called to testify at Brandon’s trial, but it’s certain to become one of the key issues. William Quest, Brandon’s public defender, hasn’t disclosed his defense strategy, but he has accused the school of failing to intercede as the tension rose between Larry and Brandon. Quest calls Epstein “a lesbian vice principal with a political agenda.” Larry’s father also blames Epstein. He’s hired an attorney and says he is seriously contemplating a wrongful-death lawsuit. “She started to confuse her role as a junior-high principal,” Greg King says. “I think that she was asserting her beliefs for gay rights.” In a tragedy such as this, the natural impulse is to try to understand why it happened and to look for someone to blame. Epstein won’t discuss the case in detail and, until she testifies in court, it’s impossible to know what role—if any—she played in the events leading to Larry’s death.

    When you rely on left wing biased kook-aid you look like a fool Lib Headcase!

  7. 7

    http://thinkprogress.org/speci.....-protests/

    Wall Street’s Recession Cost 1.5 Million Times More Than The Cost Of Securing Occupy Protests

    By Zaid Jilani and Brad Johnson on Nov 23, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Wall Street cost America much more than protesting Wall Street has.
    Today, the Associated Press (AP) has a story where it estimates the costs of police securing for the various ongoing protest occupations across the country. The AP roughly estimates that these occupations over two months in eighteen major cities cost taxpayers $13 million. Right-wing media outlets are already using this number to claim that the protests are too costly to maintain.

    But the AP piece does not provide the neccessary context to put this number into perspective. $13 million for policing of ongoing protests all over the country for two months is not a particularly large sum. For example, the 2004 Republican National Committee protests, which lasted for a single week and took place in a single location, cost $50 million to secure. A small tea party rally in November 2010 that attracted only a few dozen people cost $14,000, paid for by official congressional money.

    The cost of securing these protests against economic inequality and political corruption also pales in comparison to one large figure: the wealth destroyed by Wall Street’s recession. The recession caused by Wall Street’s misdeeds destroyed $50 trillion of wealth globally by 2009, $20 trillion of that wealth in the United States alone. ThinkProgress has assembled the following chart to visualize these comparative costs:

    When do the assholes who destroyed the economy get to go to jail?

  8. 8

    @6…

    “Agenda” based reporting is why nobody reads Newsweek anymore…except the kooky puddywuddyduddypussy who looks for ANYTHING to justify his bile and hate-filled rantings.

  9. 9

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/.....op-romney/

    Social Conservatives Hold Covert Meeting To Stop Romney

    By Alex Seitz-Wald on Nov 23, 2011 at 11:02 am

    It’s no secret that social conservatives are not thrilled about the prospect of Mitt Romney winning the Republican presidential nomination, but what is a secret is the meeting key leaders of the movement in Iowa held this week to prevent that prospect from becoming a reality. Representatives for leading social conservative groups met covertly in Iowa Monday with the hope of choosing an alternative candidate that social conservatives could unite behind, CNN reports:

    The meeting, the group’s first, took place in a private office building in Des Moines on Monday. In attendance were representatives from the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition, The Family Leader, the group Iowa Right to Life, and a representative for the Iowa chapter of Concerned Women for America. Some pastors from prominent Iowa churches also attended the meeting. […]

    Sources say there were about 20 to 25 people present at the meeting and that another meeting is planned for Monday of next week.

    The problems for Romney here are obvious. Romney used to be staunchly pro-choice, saying, for example, when he ran for governor of Massachusetts, “I sustain and support [Roe v. Wade], and the right of a woman to make that choice.” And while Romney now vows to restrict a woman’s right to choose if elected, the specifics of his anti-choice positions are unclear, as he has refused to take a position on key issues. He’s also been relatively progressive on gay rights, saying just this week, “I favor gay rights.” And Romney’s Mormon faith could pose problems as well, as a recent Pew survey noted that a majority of white evangelical protestants do not view the religion as Christian.

    Priceless.

  12. 12

    “Agenda” based reporting is why nobody reads Newsweek anymore

    Yep, they spout off the leftist agenda!

  13. 13

    http://videocafe.crooksandliar.....ca-country

    November 22, 2011 08:10 PM
    Santorum Says Africa Is a Country

    By David

    Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum became the latest Republican presidential candidate to misspeak about Africa Tuesday.

    During CNN’s debate on foreign policy, Santorum said that Africa was a country, instead of a continent.

    Former Bush Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who now serves as a scholar for the American Enterprise Institute, asked the candidates how their policies would promote growth in poor countries.

    “Well, as the author of The Global Fund bill and the Millennium Challenge in the United States Senate, and as someone who worked with the president on [the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief] PEPFAR to deal with the issue of AIDS in Africa, I believe it’s absolutely essential,” Santorum replied.

    “Africa was a country on the brink of complete meltdown and chaos.”

    But Santorum is in good company.

    At a CNN debate in Las Vegas earlier this year, Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann seemed not to know that Libya was in Africa.

    “Now with the president, he put us in Libya,” Bachmann declared. “He is now putting us in Africa. We already were stretched too thin, and he put our special operations forces in Africa.”

    Brilliant.

  14. 14

    Quoting Rush:

    So now a confused 17-year-old is dead because the school, “Ah, there’s nothing we can do. There’s nothing that we can do about this. So sorry. [Ed. emphasis mine]

    Does seem to imply that the school was responsible.

    Puddy engaging in Rush apologetics:

    The mother said the school was partially responsible.

    And this matters? Regarding the mother and father of the teen gay murder victim:

    Dad:

    “Larry had a complicated life, but he did not deserve to be murdered,” said the youth’s father, Greg King. [Ed. emphasis mine]

    and from the Newsweek drivel you posted:

    Larry’s father also blames Epstein. He’s hired an attorney and says he is seriously contemplating a wrongful-death lawsuit. “She started to confuse her role as a junior-high principal,” Greg King says. “I think that she was asserting her beliefs for gay rights.” [Ed. emphasis mine]

    Mom:

    …she said. “They should have contained him, contained his behavior.”

    and the happy home they created:

    The boy had been taken from the Kings’ home two months earlier by authorities because of problems at home.

    Regarding the perpetrator:

    Defense lawyers argued that McInerney was the product of a violent and dysfunctional home and had reached an emotional breaking point in response to King’s advances. [Ed. emphasis mine]

    What is sounds like to me was that a teenager in middle school, exploring his feelings of gay-ness, makes his parents, some of his teachers, and some of his peers, uncomfortable. This, for what sounds like trying to respond honestly to his authentic self, at a time in life of confusion and exploration, all awash in emotion and sex.

    What happens to him?

    Brandon McInerney, who was 14 when he pulled a gun out of his backpack and shot Larry King two times at point-blank range

    So, a child of a violent and dysfunctional home, with access to guns, brings one of those guns to school and obliterates the life of another child. I cannot imagine my heartbreak if that were to happen to one of my children. I would have a difficult time going on amid the living.

    The child feeling and acting on his gay-ness, in remarkable bravery and honesty, is obliterated by a violent and gun-toting product of a violent home, and a violent society.

    Rush comes in now that the murderer has been sentenced to 21 years, and holds the school responsible, not because it didn’t restrain the violent, but because it didn’t restrain the honest and the brave.

    You seem to agree with this assessment. If so, you are as vile as Rush, of whom you seem to be a fan:

    I listened to the show yesterday.

  15. 15

    re 6: How does all that verbiage about the vice principal support your theory that it’s OK to murder someone whose behavior you dislike?

    What about YOUR support of the murderer in writing and on the internet where malleable minds can read it and act upon it?

    Next time something like this happens, they should take you to court for putting your extreme right wing views ahead of public safety.

    This, of course, is a ridiculous argument — because it’s your argument.

  17. 17

    I read several stories on this. This story is not black and white but shades of muddled gray. The kid was aggressively flirting in ways that would get a straight kid kicked out of school if it was done to girls. That said, guys should not get a free pass to shoot people who sexually harass them, any more that girls should.

    But the comment was about rush and his take on the situation.

    But during the Nov. 22 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh suggested that Oxnard middle school — which the two boys attended — was partly responsible for King’s killing because school authorities were interested in promoting a homosexual agenda and had not done enough to dissuade King from dressing in women’s accessories, wearing makeup, and flirting with male students.

    I strongly disagree with the linking of a so called “gay agenda” with letting boys sexually harass other boys.

    Any “gay agenda” I have is to have gay people be well adjusted reasonably happy productive members of society. Allowing the kid to flirt aggressively with male students in ways that would get a straight kid kicked out, is not going to end up with a well adjusted kid. That’s just the school district not wanting to deal with the situation. That kind of bad behavior is not any normal gay person’s agenda and rush knows that. Rush is just whipping up homophobia among the puddys as usual. Idiot.

  18. 18

    support your theory that it’s OK to murder someone whose behavior you dislike?

    And where did you get this from headless dorky? I never said it. Neither did Rush.

    Lib Headcase forgets the mother’s commentary and she holds the school partially responsible

    The victim’s mother, Dawn King, revealed for the first time Monday that she had contacted school officials four days before the shooting in an effort to solicit their cooperation in toning down her son’s behavior. The boy had been taken from the Kings’ home two months earlier by authorities because of problems at home.

    She said she was told that her son had a civil right to explore his sexual identity.

    “I knew, gut instinct, that something serious was going to happen,” she said. “They should have contained him, contained his behavior.”

    Once again Lib demonstrates he is a headcase!

  19. 19

    @11
    There goes P-dud again, now linking to Caddell and Schoen, in his side-job of relentlessly injecting the most inane of right-wing talking points into otherwise civil discourse here at HA.

    This laughable reference he makes is telling, really. The take-downs of it were immediate and hilarious:

    From WAPO:

    George Washington should abandon his position as leader of the Continental Army in favor of a clear alternative, one capable not only of leading the army, but more important, of fighting in a way that preserves the most important of General Washington’s accomplishments. He should step aside for the one candidate who, after victory at Saratoga, would become, by acclamation, the new general of the Continental Army: General Horatio Gates.

    From No More Mr. Nice Blog:

    They don’t mean a word they say; she’s not going to run, they know it, and they’re fully aware of the fact that they and their friends would eviscerate her if she did. The point of the op-ed isn’t to express an opinion — it’s to trip Obama and the Democrats up.

    This last post takes a look at the issue in terms of bullying and aversion to actual governing by the right, apropos of discussion of bullying and murder, and support thereof by the rightwing above.

  20. 20

    10. Puddybud spews:

    Oh my it seems the porkulus bill hurts us worse than first estimated…

    11/23/2011 at 10:17 am

    11. Puddybud spews:

    ObamAA+ must go! Here are the reasons!

    11/23/2011 at 10:20 am

    Sure.

    I’m going to click on the motherfuckes links to the Loony Moonie Washington Times. How does this “chistian follower of the “onetruejesus” (and NOT the catholic or moron mormon one either…HEY! How many of them jesuses’ are there anyway?)…how does the loon truck with the moonies? MOONIES? The Reverend Sun Myung Moon? THIS guy?:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

    Sun Myung Moon (born January 6, 1920) is the Korean founder and leader of the worldwide Unification Church. He is also the founder of many other organizations and projects. One of the best-known of these is News World Communications, an international media conglomerate which publishes The Washington Times and other newspapers,[1] and the Tongil Group, a South Korean business group or chaebol with business interests world-wide. Moon and his wife Hak Ja Han are also famous for holding blessing ceremonies, often referred to as “mass weddings”.

    Moon has claimed, and it is generally believed by Unification Church members, that he is the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ and is fulfilling Jesus’ unfinished mission.[2][3] He has been among the most controversial modern religious leaders, both for his religious beliefs and for his social and political activism.

    WHAT?

    Wall Street Journal? Official organ of the rapidly disintegrating Murdoch Criminal Empire?

    Sure.

  21. 21

    How do you know Republicans are going to try to steal an election?

    Well, it almost always starts with them making false charged that it’s the Democrats who are trying to steal an election. That way, when they are caught, they will claim that “both sides do it”.

    The Walker recall effort in Wisconsin shows how this works. Even before the first signatures were collected, Republicans had a Facebook site up purporting to be collecting evidence of “voter fraud” in the signing of petitions. A recent posting showed a young woman who they said was underage and signed in return for cigarettes. But it was quickly proved that she was 20 years old, but no apologies from the Republicans, who have made sure the video of her signing has gone viral.

    In the meantime, a number of conservative websights have posters pledging to volunteer as signature gatherers so they can then destroy the petitions rather than turn them in. A number of posters engaged in a boasting match about how many thousands of signatures they thought they could personally destroy in such a fashion. Voters would think they had already signed the petition so would turn down other opportunities. Of course, it’s impossible to discern whether this is a credible threat since the poster’s screen names don’t reveal their true identities, but authorities are investigating since it is a felony to fail to turn in petition signatures.

    At one shopping center, petition gatherers reported that an SUV drove up and asked to sign the petition. The gatherer gove the clipboard to the passenger, who then drow away triumphently waiving the petition which they had stolen. Fortunately, the page on the clipboard only had a couple of other signatures on it.

    Expect more of this to follow, including attempts to Republicans to sign petitions with clearly flase information, then claim the whole recall drive should be thrown out.

  22. 22

    But during the Nov. 22 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh suggested that Oxnard middle school — which the two boys attended — was partly responsible for King’s killing because school authorities were interested in promoting a homosexual agenda and had not done enough to dissuade King from dressing in women’s accessories, wearing makeup, and flirting with male students.

    Why not go to Rush’s dialog and read what he REALLY SAID! See if he agreed with the person who pulled the trigger. Nope you’ll not read his commentary over this incident.

    Rush is just whipping up homophobia among the puddys as usual. Idiot.

    Wrong again blue john. That’s why I placed the LA Times and Newsweek articles Rush referred to and read the mother’s pleas to the school before her child was killed.

  23. 23

    Why does headless dorky like to project words never said on others? Still think I belong in the field headless dorky?

    Whatatard!

  28. 28

    26. Puddybud spews:

    Pavlov called it. rujax appears with nothing to say!

    11/23/2011 at 10:44 am

    I said plenty to the dumbass motherfucker, puddypussy.

    He’s gotten mauled this morning. Shame shame on the puddywuddyduddypussy…a bunch of “libtards” are FUCKING HIS SHIT UP.

    FUN FUN FUN!

  29. 29

    The “War on Christmas” is back!

    Facebook is filling up with people posting that President Obama has directed that the Christmas Trees in the White House be refered to as “Holiday Trees”, with no religious ornaments being accepted.

    This is, of course, a repeat of the false story first circulated in 2009. What’s really funny about the whole story is that it was during the George W. Bush administration that religious themes were excised from the decorations, and during the Obama administration that they were returned.

    Read the real facts in Snopes.com:

    White House Christmas Trees

  30. 30

    @18
    Your dancing around this issue is just too precious.

    A child is dead. Two bullets in the back of his head. A 14 year old child.

    Rush is whipping up the homophobia and directing it at “blue state” schools advancing “an agenda”:

    because I’ll tell you, folks, what’s happening, especially in these blue states, what’s happening in these public schools, the last thing going on is what we’ve all thought of as traditional education. There is education taking place, and there are agendas that are being promoted, but they’re not what you and I were taught in school.

    A child is fucking dead, puddy.

    Another child, a product of a violent home, put two bullets in his head, and Rush is decrying the leftist agenda. Dog whistle, anyone?

    And still, you refuse to repudiate Rush’s gay-hating tirade.

    So, puddy, is it OK for one kid to put a few bullets in another kid’s head, because the the shooter didn’t like the victim’s gay behavior?

  31. 31

    @29,

    Christmas trees have their origins in the Pagan traditions of the Teutonic tribes of what is now known as Germany. In fact, so much Paganism has been incorporated into Christianity that the religion is far from “pure” like Fundamentalists Christianists claim.

    Just follow the Golden Rule and you’ll be good to go! All the pomp and circumstance of religion is just noise and distraction.

  32. 32

    I’ve got more productive things to do than kick that soul-less idiot P-dud around any more…later gang.

  34. 34

    Yep and it’s sad on both parts. But the mother thinks the school was partially responsible and the father did too. There was no gay-hatred except the contrived one by Lib Headcase. Read Rush’s transcript. It’s all there.

    This is lost on Lib Headcase.

  35. 35

    32. Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adoration spews:

    I’ve got more productive things to do than kick that soul-less idiot P-dud around any more…later gang.

    11/23/2011 at 10:53 am

    I’m done too…got pies to bake and a CLASSIC green bean casserole to put together.

    I am thankful for all you guys and gals in this really great an knowledgeable little community.

    Be safe, happy and FULL!!! LOL

  36. 36

    To #2: I also heard Rush talk about this, but personally, I found what he said to be pretty hypocritical. The school was responsible? What happened to personal responsibility? His position on this seems to be at odds with a lot of other statements he’s made throughout the years.

  37. 37

    But during the Nov. 22 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh suggested that Oxnard middle school — which the two boys attended — was partly responsible for King’s killing because school authorities were interested in promoting a homosexual agenda and had not done enough to dissuade King from dressing in women’s accessories, wearing makeup, and flirting with male students.

    This is the premise used by the libtards in this thread. Notice in all the screaming and shouting from the leftists here are the comments from Larry King’s mother and father who hold the school partially responsible. Where is this in the kook-aid article linked by Lib Headcase. Their concerns are skipped over because Rush discussed this and the gay agenda in schools which Larry King’s father Greg discussed above.

    Nope they attack Rush for bring up the LA Times and Newsweek for printing that exact thing.

    The victim’s mother, Dawn King, revealed for the first time Monday that she had contacted school officials four days before the shooting in an effort to solicit their cooperation in toning down her son’s behavior. The boy had been taken from the Kings’ home two months earlier by authorities because of problems at home.

    The 11th paragraph of the LA Times is the 3rd paragraph of Limbaugh’s commentary.

    This is totally lost on these HA morons!

  38. 38

    The school was responsible? What happened to personal responsibility?

    Partyin Hard… He was talking about the mother and father’s comments. That’s why he used the LA Times and Newsweek.

  39. 39

    Puddy, nothing we type has any influence you, you see what you want to see. It’s like trying to reason with a TV screen, so I’m done on this topic.

  40. 40

    And you blue john can’t fathom FACTS even when presented in liberal agenda rags

    They’re not blaming Larry for his own death—as if anything could justify his murder—but their attitude toward his assailant is not unsympathetic. “We failed Brandon,” a teacher says. “We didn’t know the bullying was coming from the other side—Larry was pushing as hard as he could, because he liked the attention.”

    Greg King doesn’t feel sympathy for Brandon, but he does believe his son sexually harassed him. He’s resentful that the gay community has appropriated his son’s murder as part of a larger cause. “I think the gay-rights people want it to be a gay-rights issue, because it makes a poster child out of my son,” King says. “That bothered me. I’m not anti-gay. I have a lot of co-workers and friends who are gay.” That anger was made worse when he heard this summer that Epstein would be promoted to principal of an elementary school. “This is a slap in the face of my family,” Greg says. Many teachers wonder if the district moved her because she had become a lightning rod for criticism after Larry’s death. Dannenberg, the superintendent, says that she was the most qualified person for the new principal job.

    The school has conducted its own investigation, though its lawyer won’t make it public. But it will likely be brought up when Brandon goes to trial. He is charged with first-degree murder and a hate crime, and is scheduled to be arraigned this week. Hundreds of his classmates have signed a petition asking that he be tried in juvenile court. The district attorney wants him tried as an adult, which could result in a prison sentence of 51 years to life. “Brandon was being terrorized,” says Bill, who has set up a public defense fund in his son’s name. “He was being stalked almost, to the degree of the school should have never let this happen.” What happened to Larry and Brandon was certainly extreme, but it has implications for schools across the country. “If we’re going to be absolutely sure this isn’t going to happen again,” says Elaine Garber, 81, who has served on the school’s board for 48 years, “this has got to be discussed some more.”

  41. 41

    Aawwwwww..how are the occupy nuts going to spin this?

    The whole “cops made me miscarry” is proven today to be a lie. Even her parents are saying she is lying.

    She claimed she was 3 months preggo….that’s funy, she used the same story 3 months ago!

    Ahahaahhhhaahaahahahhahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahaahhahaaahaahaaaahahaahahhaaahhaah

    Poor occupy nutballs won’t get out of this one

  43. 43

    The debate about trail stop signs and right of way hilariously points to a uniquely Northwestern kind of cluelessness:

    stop signs on trails or roadways are used to make sure all road and trail users have a chance to see each other before continuing through an intersection

    If you’re on the trail (whether there is a stop sign or not), you don’t enter the crosswalk until you are sure that you are seen by any vehicles approaching and that they are slowing down to yield. If you are a motorist, you look for people in crosswalks and yield to bikes and peds.

    Both cases require making eye contact, using judgment, and being considerate–strange and alien behaviors in this region.

  44. 44

    Gone to the Doctor yet

    Heh. Funny that it would be a “socialist” doctor on salary with “Group Death” (as the wingdings call it)…

    A health plan founded in (gasp!) Seattle…

    I bet the right wing ding iranian oil loving freak @ 41 is shocked! shocked!

  45. 45

    While driving around town within the last hour, I heard a funny ad on 770am (Seattle), the “conservative” radio station that preaches “accountability” (I listen to the station for laughs). The ad was for a company that helps people get chapter 7 and chapter 13 bankruptcies, and it went something like this: “Are you having trouble making ends meet because the government can’t get its act together and is carrying a high deficit? Well we can help! Chapter 7 bankruptcy blah blah blah… chapter 13 bankruptcy blah blah blah…”

    So let’s see… We “conservatives” (who listen to the constant inconsistency of Michael Medved) need to be “accountable” and “responsible”, but since it’s the government’s fault that you can’t manage your money, go ahead and… wait for it… declare bankruptcy!

    LOL!

  46. 46

    Technically, in most cases the trail user is crossing a sidewalk (next to the roadway) and should give way to those on the sidewalk. Because of limited sight lines stopping is the best method.

  49. 49

    Absolutely haunting and a call to make changes in how we live. And of course it was made in the UK, not the USA where the media exists to reinforce the status quo.

    US road accident casualties: every one mapped across America
    369,629 people died on America’s roads between 2001 and 2009. Following its analysis of UK casualties last week, transport data mapping experts ITO World have taken the official data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration – and produced this powerful map using OpenStreetMap. You can zoom around the map using the controls on the left or search for your town using the box on the right – and the key is on the top left. Each dot represents a life
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news.....sfeed=true

  52. 52

    Struck close to home, huh lying assed puddybitch…?

  53. 53

    @1, @2 and @3 – it doesn’t really matter. There are enough heterosexuals killing each other for fun to make up for this tragedy.

  62. 62

    @48 If that’s the worst that liberals have thrown at you fascist traitors, then we need nastier liberals.

  63. 63

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    I’ve been saying for a couple years now that the only decent invesments out there are large-cap, blue-chip, dividend-paying stocks.

    Stock prices have been moving in lockstep in reaction to news events during the last few months, instead of individually based on business performance. This situation creates opportunities to buy high-quality stocks at irrationally low prices.

    I’m closely following approximately five dozen stocks. While August 8 was the overall low point of this summer/fall’s stock market, these stocks did not uniformly record their recent lows on that date. For quite a few of them, their individual lows are scattered through late August, early and late September, early October, and a handful in November.

    Today’s 234-point Dow drop was partly due to light trading on the day before Thanksgiving, but was primarily a reaction to the failure of a German bond auction. Germany is the largest and strongest economy in Europe, and German government bonds are deemed the safest of European securities. But Germany sold only 60% of its 10-year bonds today, in an offering totaling 6 billion Euros. What this tells us is that investors don’t trust even Germany’s bonds anymore. Professional traders interpreted this as evidence that the Euro currency is doomed. Europe is already in recession; a collapse of the Euro economic zone and Euro currency implies the recession could turn into a depression. A European depression would hurt U.S. banks holding European debt and U.S. corporations selling in European markets, possibly pushing the U.S. economy into another recession.

    Investors also were spooked by the Federal Reserve’s announcement yesterday that it would “stress test” the largest U.S. banks to determine whether they are sufficiently capitalized to survive a European depression and a U.S. unemployment rate of 13% in 2013 — that gives you some idea of what the fallout of a European meltdown could be here at home.

    But if the U.S. economy remains in stagnant or slow growth mode, I think this summer’s lows are a firm floor and we won’t see stocks go below those prices, at least not en masse. The reason I say that is because U.S. corporations are reporting strong profits and there’s a huge amount of cash sitting idle in mattresses, earning zero interest. It’s fear that’s keeping that cash out of the stock market. If Europe turns around, or if the owners of all that cash think they see the market’s bottom, that money will flood back into the stock market. There’s several trillion dollars of it, so the impact on stocks will be large.

    Today might, or might not, be the fall bottom. Many pundits have been arguing for a December rally. My own feeling is that Europe is toast, and the U.S. stock market may go lower from here, but we’re probably talking a modest decline of 5% or so. I expect Friday to be another low-volume day, because most professional traders will be taking the day off, so I won’t be surprised to see the Dow average drop another 100 to 200 points on Friday, but after that we’re getting oversold and this week may be the short-term market bottom.

    As of today, two high-quality blue-chip stocks that I follow closely have moved into buying range. Coca Cola closed today at $64.87, its lowest price since March 23, 2011, so Coke’s stock is now cheaper than it was when the overall market bottomed in August. The other one is AT&T, which closed today at $27.55, compared to $27.70 on August 8. At this price, AT&T yields 6.2%. (Coca Cola only yields 2.8%, but its dividend is growing much faster.)

    I already own AT&T in my IRA, but I plan to acquire AT&T shares in my taxable account. I don’t own Coca Cola yet, but I’d like to have that one in my long-term portfolio, when the price is right. I can’t guarantee the market — and the prices of these stocks — won’t fall a lot further; but if these two stocks go down again on Friday, I may be a buyer of one or both. I think AT&T is probably my higher priority in this situation; I’d really like to get Coke at $60 instead of $64, but I’ll just have to play that by feel. Ultimately, buying and selling decisions are always seat-of-the-pants.

  64. 64

    @62
    I was going to point out the Tea Bagger that wanted to hang Patty Murray or the guy that went to jail for threatening her. We on the left really are a nicer bunch. But, a quick search couldn’t turn up links to the story and since it was a Puddy thing anyway I didn’t think it was worth doing more searching.

  65. 65

    Gman, maybe these guys offing their wives and families was a side effect of being gay and living their entire lives in the closet…

    I’m just messing with ya.

  66. 66

    @64 Speaking of nasties, Wisconsin GOPers are trying to sabotage the Walker recall with dirty tricks. They’re recruiting operatives to pose as signature collectors — who tear up the petitions. Voters think they signed a petition, so they don’t sign another one, and their names are never submitted. There have also been incidents of drivers pulling up near a signature collector, asking to see the petition, then they take off with it (and tear it up). Theoretically, anyone who intentionally destroys signed petitions is committing a felony, but what do you think the chances are that Republican prosecutors will charge them?

  67. 67

    “Why not Washington?”

    Because if we suspend our death penalty, all the murderers who migrated from Washington to Oregon will come back to Washington.

  68. 68

    It’s sure amazing that Zitz and other leftists on HA.

    Struck close to home, huh lying assed puddybitch…?

    NOPE you Dope! Surely not yours. Maybe you do that to some others eh Zitz? I ain’t no one’s bitch. I left the reservation long ago. I’m a Free Man! Must be you were one some time ago. How did that feel Zitz?

    Zitz likes calling women BITCH. Seems that others do too.

    Yeah, that’s the leftist ticket!

  69. 69

    42. dorky dorkman spews:

    re 23: Still think I belong in the field headless dorky?

    Well, a strong back is a terrible thing to waste.

    Well I knew you were headless lucy and dorky was #63. What will you think of next? Make it a tad more difficult next time!

  71. 71

    Must be some of ylb’s buds…

    Angele Chaidez, 21, faces one count of lewd conduct and one count of indecent exposure for allegedly exposing himself and masturbating in front of several people, including children, Friday on the south steps of City Hall, said prosecutors with the L.A. city attorney’s office.

    ylb loves those sex offender posts!

  73. 73

    likes calling women BITCH

    So does your buddy the asshat..

    And what explains this???

    ╰─➤ b cs -h puddybud -b bitchslap -c
    +——-+
    | count |
    +——-+
    | 7 |
    +——-+
    1 row in set

    and

    ╰─➤ b cs -h puddybud -b “bitch slap” -c
    +——-+
    | count |
    +——-+
    | 17 |
    +——-+
    1 row in set

    Do you approve of slapping “bitches”??

  74. 74

    @65 if that is the case then there are more gay people out there that there are willing to admit. How many of those types are in the closet here? Puffy? Wishy Washy? Come out and play.

  77. 77

    Oh am don’t forget about them gay neonazi skinheads – all homes. The whole world is gay and in the closet.

  78. 78

    @65 or maybe they were having a heterosexual fling and just couldn’t take the pressure of the guilt anymore.

  81. 81

    How many of those types are in the closet here? Puffy? Wishy Washy? Come out and play.

    I doubt they’re closeted homosexuals. But they are insecure (to say the very least) about people being different.

    On second thought Puddybud had quite the semen fetish going for a while.

    And that asshat “maxie” is so filled with hate for gays it’s pretty easy to conclude he’s hiding something.

    He’ll call someone a “fag” for watching the Grammy awards. How freakish is that?

  82. 82

    what better way to spend a 4-day weekend than to be posting all day…..and all night.

    ah, the life of anchorbaby-ylb….fat-n-lazy, “living off the web”….

    gotta go pollute the water now, everyone else is finally ready to go….

  83. 83

    gotta go pollute the water now, everyone else is finally ready to go….

    Don’t get wet!

    what better way to spend a 4-day weekend than to be posting all day…..and all night.

    As you were here yesterday and today, so shall you be tomorrow and the next..

    You’re hooked silly right wing dinger!

    Hooked on being a terminal dumbass!

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