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Nice to have character and integrity returned to the white house, eh?
Not to mention the decency and respect permeating from the House of Representatives. As per normal the Republicans are calling a war veteran a coward for daring to challenge the president’s ill conceived war.
Time for a bit of leavity—
Postman Pat’s last day on the job. 35 years of delivering mail thru wind, rain, sleet & snow.
Postman Pat gets to the 1st house on his route and is greeted by the whole family who hugs him and give him $50!!
The 2nd house, Postman Pat gets a gold watch!!
The 3rd house, he gets a bottle of Glenfiddich
At the 4th house, Pat is met at the door by a blonde in her lingerie. She leads him upstairs and makes mad, passionate love to Pat…
When Pat had enough, they went downstairs where the blonde treated him to a full breakfast….bacon, eggs, fresh-squeezed OJ and coffee.
Athe blonde poured his coffee, Pat noticed a $5 bill under the cup.
“All this is too wonderful for words,” Pat said, but what’s the 5 bucks for?”
“Well” said the dumb blonde, “last night, I told my husband today would be your last day and that we should do something special for you”.
“So I asked him what to give you”.
“What did he say?”, asked Pat very curiously.
He said, “SCREW HIM!!! Give him 5 bucks”.
Then the dumb blonde smiled and said, “the breakfast was my idea!”
Hey everyone — don’t forget — next Thursday is a holiday in honor of our national leadership: Turkey Day.
So, Stefan, if your lawsuit against KCE is successful and the judge awards you monetary penalties and attorney fees, are you going to share the money with the generous contributors to your “legal action fund” who paid for your lawsuit, or keep all the money for yourself like a selfish Republican prick?
I was going to comment on the swiftboating of John Murtha, but I’ve been granted 5 deferments, because I have “other priorities.” Peace!
I hear they finally found the WMD. They were hidden in WHAT A DICK CHENEY’s TRUNK!
Any chance that lying coward would go to war himself? NAAAAW! Just like the rest of the cowards on the right.
It’s class warfare. Our class fights and dies and their class makes money off the deal. I can just hear the RIGHTARDS now: “Whatsamatter? You jealous of people who get to live and profit off your children’s death? That’s class warfare!!”
What RIGHTARDS!!!
@5 Is there some reason Murtha has edited the speech at http://www.house.gov/apps/list.....7iraq.html so that it no longer accurately reflects the actual speech he made??
And can someone explain this?
“This is the immediate redeployment of American forces because they have become the target,” said Rep. John Murtha
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITI.....index.html
However, Your search – “they have become the target” murtha – did not match any documents.
http://www.google.com/search?h.....%22+murtha
Bush is in his volcano lair putting the finishing touches
on taking the rest of the oil from Iraq. “Dick, help me load
the laser into air force one!”
To all you Horses Asses out there, read my lips:
403 to 3!!!
I guess the lefties can’t really put their money where their mouths are, huh?
@ 10
what the fuck are you talking about?
“ARM THE LASER!”
Belltower:
Watch the news, and you’ll know what I’m talking about.
“HILLARY LIED!”
Hey, “little mark,” please use a different nick.
kat & bell @ 10 & 11:
Don’t forget the 6 “present” votes. Guess Baghdad Jim didn’t have the courage to put his vote where his mouth is.
Reply to 8
Congressmen have been editing their speeches in the Congressional Record since long before you were born. There’s a valid reason for editing speeches for print: People don’t talk like they write, and don’t write like they talk. Inflection, gestures, and other speaking techniques convey meanings that can’t be reproduced in print. Consequently, if spoken words aren’t rewritten for print publication, the meaning may change. No author writes dialog that exactly reproduces spoken language; dialog has to be written to accurately convey the author’s meaning. As an exercise, try reading some of Hemingway’s dialog out loud, and you’ll see how artificial and stilted it seems when spoken, yet it works on the printed page.
Of course, Congressmen also love to fix their mistakes and gaffes, and delete comments they wish they hadn’t made, before their speeches are preserved for posterity in cold hard type. :D
katomark, that was a shame resolution written by shame statesmen. It has nothing to do with reality, and was concieved by evil little minds.
The resolution: “It is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.”
That was NOT what the highly decorated 37 year Marine Murtha asked for, nor what the Ameriacan public wants. True America Patriots want an organized troop withdrawl from this disasterous war, not publicity stunts from the Repuglicants.
You fucking traitor!
@11
I think he’s predicting what the House vote on impeachment scheduled for January 2007 will b — 403 in favor, 3 against — after the Democrats elected in Nov. 2006 take office.
Real Mark:
Baghdad Jim’s mouth is so busy spouting idiocies, he just couldn’t get it to stop long enough to vote. So much for the the entire month of silliness and grandstanding we have all gone through, just for the sake of “politcing”. They just couldn’t do it, because they know it’s just plain dumb, stupid, and wrong.
To take this discussion a notch beyond katomar’s mental masturbations, it’s pretty damned obvious the 403-3 doesn’t mean the Democrats now support Bush’s policies. In public opinion polls, two-thirds of the American public thinks the Iraq war is a mistake, believe Bush is dishonest, and don’t trust his leadership. The GOP’s cute little publicity stunt in the House won’t change the fact we’re losing the war in Iraq, Bush has no exit strategy, and the majority of Americans no longer support our idiot president. The only thing Hastert accomplished was to delude himself and his fellow GOP congressmen into thinking everything is hunky-dory while their dream world implodes all around them. This head-in-the-sand approach will make them even MORE vulnerable to an electoral disaster in 2006. I can see the Democrats taking control of both houses of Congress next year; in fact, I think it’s almost inevitable.
Donneggan:
Man, you gotta flush that mouth and mind! The libs have been running a smear campaign for over a year now, trying to convince America that this is a foolish, erroneous, traitorous war. All the Republicans forced them to do was stand up for what they’ve been mouthing for so long, and they couldn’t do it. Sorry their treachery makes you want to call me a traitor, but I guess that’s typical. When up against it, smear, smear, smear.
The question the “D’s” asked on the floor is a valid one. If you want a vote on the Murtha resolution, let him introduce it. Why did the “R’s” insist on putting words into his mouth? And the fact they are now starting an ethics investigation is a clear abuse of power. Simply outrageous.
@17 I like how he edited out the part where he demanded an immediate withdrawal.
House Democrat Calls for Immediate Withdrawal From Iraq
–New York Times
But now it never happened.
“this is a foolish, erroneous, traitorous war”
All of the above.
So Michael — does this mean you’re in favor of more Americans dying in a losing war? If you feel that way, maybe you should be one of them.
There are few things lower or more disgusting than a chickenhawk who sends other people’s children to die in a war he won’t fight himself or send his own children to.
“Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency,” said Mr. Murtha, who visited Iraq in late August. “We have become a catalyst for the violence.”
If approved by the House and Senate, Mr. Murtha’s resolution would force the president to withdraw United States troops “at the earliest practicable date,” which he said could be six months. Under his plan, the Pentagon would retain a quick-reaction force in the region, as well as marines within a few sailing days.
When asked about Mr. Cheney’s remarks on Wednesday, Mr. Murtha replied sarcastically: “I like guys who’ve never been there that criticize us who’ve been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war and then don’t like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done.”
Show me where in his words he demanded an immediate pull out? How is earliest practible date immediate?
Why is John Murtha a Jackass
The House on Friday overwhelmingly rejected calls for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, a vote engineered by the Republicans that was intended to fail. Democrats derided the vote as a political stunt.
“Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq,” said Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, a Democratic hawk whose call a day earlier for pulling out troops sparked a nasty, personal debate over the war.
Dude. We are in a war. Our troops are supposed to be the enemy. You are such an old whiney dick! But wait, you were in the Nam and in the NAm according to the Libs, we were the enemy so, I can see why you are confused.
Did you get your purple hearts the same way Kerry got his? I don’t think so. I think you actually earned yours. I don’t think you are a coward, I just know you are wrong on this. You are old and bitter and been hanging out with that whore Pelosi.
GO home. Have a scotch. Clean up after your cat. GO to bed. Relax.
Did you actually read what he said, Joe? Read the transcript, not the headlines, if it’s not too much work. Try to understand the reality instead of parroting the talking points. Listen to the message instead of attackinf the messenger. And if he is bitter it is because he has seen the reality and it makes him sick.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11.....gewanted=1
We are now well into the decline and fall of the Bush years.
Joe @29
John Murtha has more patriotism in the tip of his little finger than you’ll ever have.
What is it about horsesass.org that draws the Bush dead-enders like 28?
Must be something about the name.
The only thing tonight’s vote proves is that Bush got us into a war we can’t get out of. Our troops are stuck in that killing machine.
It is sad we have to pay such a high price to kill the “permanent Republican majority”
Katomark @ 27 “When up against it, smear, smear, smear.”
Yeah like calling a Highly decorated 37 year Marine a traitor. The fucking Repugs have no shame, expecially “5 deferments” Cheney.
You anti Troop anti America anti Democracy Hate the troops first Repugs are the scum of the United States, and you are gonna get such kick in the gonads in the next election you will not be able to reproduce.
And that is a good thing.
I am sure that every Patriotic American had a majic machine they WOULD send every troop home NOW!
But the dispicable Republicans make a phony resolution, while more troops die.
Fucking Animals!
How ’bout this one. Add corruption to that bad policy. Of course the Ethics Committee will be to busy going after Murtha to look into it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11.....artner=AOL
WASHINGTON, Nov. 18 – Michael Scanlon, a former top official for Representative Tom DeLay and onetime partner of the lobbyist Jack Abramoff, has agreed to plead guilty in a deal with federal prosecutors, according to his lawyer. The deal reveals a broadening corruption investigation involving top members of Congress.
Criminal papers filed in federal court outlined a conspiracy that not only named Mr. Scanlon but also mentioned a congressman, identified only as Representative No. 1, as part of the exchange of favors from clients funneled to lobbyists and officials.
This was the first time that a member of Congress, identified by lawyers in the case as Representative Bob Ney, Republican of Ohio, has been implicated in criminal papers as part of the inquiry
You anti Troop anti America anti Democracy Hate the troops first Repugs are the scum of the United States, and you are gonna get such kick in the gonads in the next election you will not be able to reproduce.
And that is a good thing.
Are you threatening to 1994 us? What is your “contract with America” going to be about?
@37
We’ll move to scoop so we can troll-rate DOOFUS.
“What is your “contract with America†going to be about?”
Responsible Government
Balanced Budgets
War only when the US faces an actual threat
No More Leaking CIA Operatives Names Who Are Working On WMD Issues
No More Stealing Tax Payer Money And Giving It To No Bid Contracts That Have The Vice President On The Payroll
No More Gutting the Bill Of Rights
I could add more, but even a gas bag like RUFUS must get the idea.
A flowering of Democracy right here in the once greatest nation on Earth, the USA.
RUFUS… it is going to be wonderful!
On To The Hague With the Bush Administration Traitors!
39
Those sound great and dandy but what are you going to put up to vote once you 94 us and get back control of both the Senate and the house. Specifics Newt Donnageddon, specifics.
Impeachment?
Yeah that sounds real good.
Then the list I stated @ 39 you fucking Moron!
Really “RUFUS” if you have a real question, ask it.
But if you are asking for specific legislation… well unfortunately, I am not a membner fo congress.
You fucking Moron!
Wow the congress is going to vote on whether government should be more responsible. I can’t wait for that vote to come up. No need to cut spending or raise taxes since congress can just vote for a balanced budget.
The troops don’t appear to agree with the America Hating CUT AND RUN COWARDS
Why do you embolden those who desire to see you dead, fringies?
sigh, screwed up the link…
The troops don’t appear to agree with the America Hating CUT AND RUN COWARDS Strategy of Surrender and Abandonment
You see this is why you will never win like the repubs did in 94. We went in and told you we were going to cut welfare and vote on tort reform along with 8-10 other items that came up for a vote. That is what made people excited about the repubs in 94. That is why the repubs kick the living shit out of the donks so bad that they have never been close to reclaiming the house since.
Even the New York Sun is hyping the news that Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, supposedly a hawkish moderate Democrat, has joined the cut-and-run caucus. “Bush in ‘Nosedive’ as Murtha Urges Retreat” reads today’s Sun headline (though the lead sentence says “President Bush’s power appears to have reached a nadir,” which would mean he’s coming out of a nosedive). Here’s what Murtha had to say:
Mr. Murtha said American forces should “immediately redeploy” from Iraq in order to help Iraqis take control of their country. “The presence of U.S. troops in Iraq is impeding this progress. Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency. They are united against U.S. forces, and we have become a catalyst for violence,” the congressman said.
This is not news. Murtha flaked out on the liberation of Iraq even before Congress approved it. In September 2002, a month before the congressional authorization, an outfit called Veterans for Common Sense reported that Murtha was “questioning a war-powers resolution that even most Democratic leaders seem reluctant to oppose”:
”All of us want to get rid of Saddam,” Murtha says. But he believes that [President] Bush ”went about it the wrong way.” . . .
Murtha says a key reason for questioning a second Iraq war is strategic. He’s worried that it would cost the United States not only money and lives, but also important allies. By moving without international support, Bush could alienate Arab allies, and ”we could lose access to the intelligence we need to fight the war on terrorism.” . . .
Nothing he has seen in intelligence reports has convinced him that Bush needs to rush through a resolution, Murtha says. Even so, he has not decided how he will vote.
Murtha ended up voting in favor of the liberation. Then, in May 2004, as the Associated Press reported, he called for more troops:
“We cannot prevail in this war as it is going today,” Murtha said yesterday at a news conference with House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi. Murtha said the incidents of prisoner abuse in Iraq were a symptom of a problem in which U.S. troops in Iraq are undermanned, inadequately equipped and poorly trained.
“We either have to mobilize or we have to get out,” Murtha said, adding that he supported increasing U.S. troop strength rather than pulling out.
Murtha had rather eccentric views about where the increased troop strength should come from. As we noted in October 2004, he was one of only two members of Congress to vote for a bill that would have reinstated the draft–a bill opposed even by its sponsor, grandstanding Charlie Rangel.
An exchange with Margaret Warner on last night’s “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer,” though, suggests that Murtha has simply taken leave of reality:
Warner: But may I ask you, sir, if you believe–[the president] says–for whatever reason, Iraq has become the center of terrorism – that if the U.S. appears to retreat in the face of that, that it will be a blow to the American fight against radical Islamic terrorism? What do you say to that?
Murtha: Well, I say that the fight against Americans began with Abu Ghraib. It began with the invasion of Iraq. That’s when terrorism started. It didn’t start when there was criticism of this administration. This administration doesn’t want to listen to any ideas.
So according to Murtha, “terrorism started” either in March 2003 (with the “invasion of Iraq”) or in May 2004 (when the Abu Ghraib miniscandal came to light). One wonders where he was in, say, September 2001. One wonders, too, how a political party can keep a straight face while putting him forward as a spokesman on national security.
(Hat tips: Glenn Reynolds and Mickey Kaus.)
URL for this article: http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007572
So “Col. James Brown” represents the brave American Troops?
You are an insane traitorous coward ProudAss.
I hope you are haunted by the ghost of every brave soldier lost in this insane war.
Fuck, you are dispicable!
ProudAss, did we “cut and run” when we withdrawd troops in Vietnam? Are you calling Nixon and Ford
cut and run” Presidents?
Would you like more soldiers killed for the insane policy in Vietnam?
You Fucking Soldier hating Traitor!
I’d rather be thought despicable by a braindead fringie fruitcake like you, than BE the America hating, cut and run, terrorist symapthizing coward that you ARE, sweetcheeks.
Have you hugged your terrorist today?
ProudAss, you ARE an American Soldier hating asshole. You want more America Soldier blood spilled for the Insane Policies of the Bush Administration. There is no CUT AND RUN… there is only admitting that our Soldiers are dying for a BBULLSHIT policy of the Bush Administration.
But your cowardly ass would rather more die for no reason!! You are the worst type of Neo-Con Turd.
You hate everything this country was founded on. You dispicable thugish coward.
It is beyond words to state how evil you are.
You are the problem. You quick death by your own hand is the solution.
Bush contracted out the catching of Osama Bin Laden. HE did not want to catch him. He loves terrorists because that is his only way of keeping power.
You support the traitor Bush.
You ProudAss are Al Queda’s best friend.
Shame on you, you cowardly terrorist loving asshole.
Rufus @ 38
“Are you threatening to 1994 us? What is your “contract with America” going to be about?”
I was thinking contract on IDIOTS!
ProudASS @ 53
“Have you hugged your terrorist today?”
No…but I responded to you. Close enough.
Libs hate America,
Land that they loathe
They decry her
And deny her
To terrorsist allegiance they betroth
Sing along now, you know the melody (God Bless America)
Dems loathe America
Land that they hate
They despise her,
Are terror sympathizers,
Against the couintry they choose to berate.
Fringies destest their country
Land they deride.
They abhor her
They feel disgust for her
Citizens bereft of home pride.
ProudAss, when did you start wanting our troops to die for no reason? When did you decide that the Bush Administration was more important than our soldiers?
When did you sell your soul to Al Queda?
Please, please strap a bomb on your torso, wander into the desert and blow yourself up! That would be the only act you can take to make up for your treason!
Treason is telling the terrorists “We’re afraid of you and we want to go home… Whaa Whaa Whaa, you WIN Mr Terrorist Sir”
Have you hugged your terrorist today?
We want to fight Al Queda – where they are, not where we are…
YOU wnat to kiss there ASS and ask them not to behed you, “pretty please Mr Terrorist Sir”.
Have you hugged your terrorist today?… Nevermind, you ARE the terrorist everyday.
ProudASS @ 60
‘Treason is telling the terrorists “We’re afraid of you and we want to go home… Whaa Whaa Whaa, you WIN Mr Terrorist Sir”’
Nope…that is not how treason is defined.
ProudAss, treayon is letting our soldiers be sitting ducks in a war that should never have happened. None of the reasons Bush-Cheney claimed for this war were true. The fixed the intelligence to sell it on America. Iraq is now a terrorist training ground, with our brave soldiers as the targets.
The ONLY sane thing to do is get out, and get a real international peacekeeping force in.
You hate America, you love the terrorists, and you fund them by supporting Bush.
You are a complete traitor to America.
It is said that those who forget the lessons of history are bound to repeat it. Consider the tale of Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, and Somalia.
When the North Koreans invaded the South in a war of ‘liberation’, they made a shocking discovery. The South Koreans wanted no part of the workers paradise. Because the ROK actively resisted the invaders from the North, the when the US Army made its landing on Inchon, it was able to kick their butts back to the 38th parallel.
Contrast this with the disaster that was Vietnam, a 12 year exercise in American man power and firepower, which ultimately failed because the vast majority of the Vietnamese wanted the North to win. No invading army can hope to over come a hostile population unless they are willing to use the tactics employed by Nazi Germany or possibly the Peoples Republic of China (Remember Tiananmen Square).
Flash forward to the hot ‘90’s, our victory liberating Kuwait and our failure in Somalia. No difference. The vast majority of the Somalia’s population supported the Warlord Mohamed Aidid, and we saw the results. Once again as in Vietnam, tales between our legs.
Now it is the middle of the first decade of the 21st Centaury, and our present government needs to seriously go back to school and retake their history class. When the last helicopter leaves the Green Zone after the Iranian Army marches into Baghdad, what do we say to the dead soldiers?
Iranian Army
Ogg, interesting perspective. I just hope we get our troops out long before Iran takes advantage of the ludicrous Bush policy in Iraq.
This truly explains why there is no such thing as a liberal MAN.
Oh sure, there are liberals who have the chromosomes of the make gender, but MANLINESS, forget it, they checked it at the door.
Van you name one single solitary dominant MAN who is a liberal… I can sure as hell name lots of females who are DOMINANT LIBERAL MALES…
“Let me fix my hair” Edwards? LMAO what a wienie he is.
The Sot Kennedy? Nope, Momma ruled that roost till she died.
Tom Daschle? Nope, Mr Embarassingly voted out of office depends on Mrs Megabux for support too.
How about Washingtons own first lady Mr Gregoire… nada, wifeypoo gives him work.
Mr Barbra Steisand?
Mr Barbra Boxer?
Slick Willie?… not a chance with a “wife” that throws lamps at HIM.
Kerry (“I have an owie gimme a purple heart so I can go home”) bought and paid for by Momma Megabux.
The hottest new Christmas …oops make that holiday toy< for your favorite CUT AND RUN COWARD. Take me home and hug me!
George W. Bush —-You know when a guy walks away from a National Guard obligation during wartime and gets away with it, he must come from “a good family.”
Richard “Dick” Cheney—Says he had “other priorities.”
Gov. Jeb Bush—When Jeb was younger he managed to avoid fighting for democracy in Vietnam.
Rep. Tom “The Exterminator” DeLay —DeLay has said he wanted to serve in Vietnam, but was unable to since all the positions had been taken by blacks and hispanics.
For a complete list of Republican Chickenhawks go to:
http://www.nhgazette.com/news/.....s_platoon/
Darn, I’m tired…
The hottest new Christmas …oops make that holiday toy for your favorite CUT AND RUN COWARD
Take me home and hug me!
So am I. Good night, or morning.
ProudAss @ 68 “The hottest new Christmas …oops make that holiday toyTake me home and hug me!”
Um.. no. Can I just dump you in the nearest secret Gulog?
You anti-American, Soldier hating Fuck.
And by the way,
Cougs will take home the Apple Cup tomorrow to make that Crimson and Gray Space Needle ever so much more sweet.
better be a good boy donnie, or the holiday santa won’t bring you your very own Terrorist Thug to love and hug.
No Mercy for the Neo-Con Traitors!
You keep supporting the soldier hating fascists… You WILL be held accountable.
Which is your favorite terrorist, sweetcheeks, Osama, Saddam, one of their minions or the garden variety head chopper or homicide bomber.
Be specific for santa.
ProudAs @ 74, I am sure you have a bag load of terrorists you want to spread around America.
Held accountable… by you? I hardly think so Mr Pity Poor Me, I live in one room and I hate America.
Right now my favorite Terrorist is Cheney. But there is so many Bush terrorists to choose from!
ProudAss “I hardly think so Mr Pity Poor Me, I live in one room and I hate America.”
I assumed as much.
But thanks for confessing the truth!
FRUITCAKE FRINGIE BAD GRAMMAR ALERT!
But there is so many Bush terrorists to choose from!
But there ARE so many Bush terrorists FROM WHICH to choose!
No wonder you are unemployed and live in one room… do you actually PAY taxes or do you just suck off mommy governments tit for your daily sustenance?
ProudAss, I am fortunately gainfully employed and do not live in one room.
But then, being mistaken is your forte.
Good luck with that.
As far as taxes, I pay them. Before Bush, I payed them gladly. Now, not so much.
But I really feel sorry for the next generation. And the next. Bush has us spending their money. There is no free lunch, ProudAss, but unfortunately Bush is stiffing our children and grandchildren with the bill for an orgy of tax cuts for the rich.
DO you hate children? Do you hate grandchildren? WHy do you want to burdon them with the insane Welfore for the rich and oil industry?
WHy do you hate everything America stands for? Why do you hate the children?
Answer: You are as monster. You live a life dedicated to destroying this generation and the next, and the next and the next.
You are a monster of the right wing hate cult.
I will be generous, ProudAss. I will imagine that now you are crying for an America sadly sabatoged by the Bush Administration. I imagine you are crying for the future generations having to pay for the Bush administrations insane policies. I imagine you are crying for the soldiers killed for an insane foriegn policy of the Bush administration.
I hope you are crying, ProudAss. If you are just sleeping while these high crimes are being committed… I pity your damned soul.
For the record, yesterday’s vote on removing troops from Iraq was NOT Rep. John Murtha’s bill, but rather a Rethug. rewrite. Just wait ’til the Dems have a chance to get Rethugs on the record with this one:
George W Bush has done an excellent job with Iraq, and the war is worth the death of more American troops. Watch how Reichart et al dodge on that one… snizzark
Hey Guess what Anti American Soldier hating scum Neo-Cons, the top Military Official in Iraq wants to “cut and run”. Otherwise known as getting the hell out of a disasterous and completely fucked up Bush war in Iraq!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/.....index.html
Those unAmerican assholes who hate our troops can fuck off! The Soldiers want to quit dying for Oil Companies. COmplain only if you worship Satan!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/.....index.html
ProudAss, it is “Come to God” time. Do you hate America, or support Bush.
It is a simple question.
Actually not so simple “Do you love America, or support Bush.”
Answer… don’t think about it.. let your love of America and the troops be your guide.
Impeach Bush now! Do not wait for 2006.
I wish someone would catch Bush getting a BJ so we could impeach him.
@27 So Michael – does this mean you’re in favor of more Americans dying in a losing war? If you feel that way, maybe you should be one of them.
I already did my time in Iraq. You?
@28 Show me where in his words he demanded an immediate pull out?
That is my whole point. He edited that part out. Now the only artifacts that he even said that are the New York Times, Washington Post, etc. headlines that said “House Democrat Calls for Immediate Withdrawal From Iraq.”
@35 “When up against it, smear, smear, smear.”
I am not smearing Murtha, nor have any Republicans I have heard. I simply disagree with what he says. So do many other career soldiers, some of whom are congressmen now. I do find it sickening that the speech posted on Murtha’s website is not what he actually said though.
@36 But the dispicable Republicans make a phony resolution, while more troops die.
Murtha – I demand an immediate withdrawal!
House Republicans – Ok, lets have a vote. Who is for immediate withdrawal?
House Democrats and HA regulars – How dare you question Murtha’s patriotism and hold this phony resolution? Fucking animals!
@55 Bush contracted out the catching of Osama Bin Laden. HE did not want to catch him.
John Kerry calls that “building a coalition.”
@69 At least they didn’t “loathe the military” and flee to another country to avoid the draft.
As I said in @1, isn’t it nice to have character and integrity returned to the white house, eh?
All these posts show why…
If we were to pull out of Iraq and stop the war on terror,
it is just a matter of time before the bastards come here.
They will come to the big “Blue Town” nearest you. Those
towel heads really hate sandal wearing vegetarians but they
would love democrat women with their unshaven jungles.
The Dems had a clear opportunity to vote to get the troops out of Iraq immediately. Only 3 had the courage of their convictions.
Now it is time for the Dems to reveal what it PRECISELY is that they propose. Give us a clear detailed outline and timetable PLEASE!!! The hollow-LEFTIST trash-talking days are not effective. WHAT IS THE DEMOCRATS SPECIFIC PLAN & TIMETABLE????
Let’s hear it, discuss it and put it to a vote too.
Well, it’s official. Even the Democrats support the continuation of this war overwhelmingly. Only three voted to get out of Iraq. Just proves my long stated point that partisanship as it exists is merely a differentiation without difference, and the people spouting off so high and mightily around here are closer in philosophy than not.
Sad.
Here’s a question I have for the righties: How do you define “supporting the troops”?
And another question for the wingers: what evidence can you offer that Democrats or Liberals actually hate America? Be careful now: such statements are generalizations, so you’d better be careful to demonstrate how that generalization applies to each and every person in this country who considers him/herself to be a Democrat/Liberal hates America.
Good luck.
What is WITH these Katrina “victims?” I am sitting here watching person after person complaining that they haven’t gotten enough, they want more, and generally portraying the attitude that we owe them a windfall of cash, gifts, and prizes.
Sorry, folks, this isn’t the Lotto. You don’t get to sit around on your ass and have me pay for it.
Okay, and one more question — maybe “Sick of Katrina” would like to address this one:
Define “compassionate conservatism.”
Michael @ 91-
Did you read the link @ 30 with the transcript of what Murtha said? You are basing your arguement with a reporter (or editor’s) retelling. And if you rely on headlines without reading deeper you are a fool.
And therefore you are wrong.
One more question for the righties:
Could you possibly (maybe, just maybe) be wrong abut the war in Iraq?
Just wondering. It’s a simple yes or no question.
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Got any dumb Republican jokes?
Doofus @46
“Wow the congress is going to vote on whether government should be more responsible. I can’t wait for that vote to come up.”
Wow! The people are going to vote on whether THIS congress and government has been responsible. I CAN’T wait for THAT vote to come up!!!
“No need to cut spending or raise taxes since congress can just vote for a balanced budget.”
You mean cutting $50 billion from food stamps and student aid so Republifucks can give another $70 billion of tax cuts to their rich cronies?
It’s easy to balance the budget — just eliminate the graft Republifucks voted for themselves and their friends.
Blowhard @60
“Treason is telling the terrorists “We’re afraid of you and we want to go home… Whaa Whaa Whaa, you WIN Mr Terrorist Sir”
ProudASS never left home in the first place. He’s nothing but a Keyboard Warrior full of hot air. The closest he’s ever been to a war is watching “Combat” on TV and fondling a plastic replica of an M-16 at Toys-R-Us. He puts on a cape, stands in front of a mirror, and thinks he’s a superhero.
@61
“We want to fight Al Queda – where they are, not where we are…”
We? Who is “we?” Is this your idea of the old Lone Ranger and Tonto joke? I don’t see any “we” in Iraq, just other people’s children. Hey, Chickenhawk Blowing Smoke From His Ass — if “we” want to fight Al Queda then get off your ass, enlist, go over there … the terrs aren’t hiding under your keyboard …
There were no terrorists in Iraq until Bush let them in.
@67
Next thing you know, Asshole will lecture us on the bravery of Refucklicowards.
Asshole @78
“I live in one room and I hate America. Comment by HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS— 11/19/05 @ 12:58 am”
The only truthful comment you’ve ever posted on this blog.
Michael@91: I have not seen any news reports that even suggest that Murtha asked for an “immediate withdrawal”.
The AP reports I’m seeing report that Murtha suggested “…pulling out the 153,000 American troops within six months and for a quick reaction force in the region, perhaps in Kuwait, and to pursue stability in Iraq through diplomacy”.
That is certainly not a request for immediate withdrawal.
Murtha had a resolution to present. However, Hastert did not allow Murtha’s resolution a hearing. Instead, the House Republicans, in an attempt to distort, and outright prevent, legitimate debate, presented a simplisitic black/white resolution calling for ‘immediate withdrawal’ and forced it to a vote, knowing it would fail – so they then could claim they had a mandate to continue the slaughter of innocents.
This will backfire on the Republicans. Cheerleading for the war and the continued death of our young people like it’s a fucking sports event isn’t going to sell for much longer. I have a message for those of you who so admire our capon-in-chief, George the Wussie Bush: You enjoy this war so much, go sign up, there’s room for you. It would give someone else, who is on their second or third deployment, a chance to come home. Of course, signing up isn’t necessarily easy. We haven’t had a draft for long time, literacy standards are higher, and you might not make the cut. But if you did make the cut, it would get you out of your surplus store bought cammies into some real legitimate issue government cammies, and instead of sitting on your ass, watching the spectacle on TV, reveling in your vicarious manliness while some else dies, you would have a front seat in some hummer, praying you don’t get blown to bits or drown in your own blood before help arrives…or “just” getting injured – the loss of limbs. The injuries in this war are worse than they ever been. Those who lose thier limbs, arms or legs, pay the price with every reach they can’t make, with every step they can’t take, for the rest of their life. What I want to know is, what makes you think YOU are worth that sacrifice?
Go ahead, manly boy. Sign up. It’s just another manly adventure, right? Marilyn
What the Rethugs don’t want to “cut and run” from is the oil they intended to get free and sell to U.S. consumers for $3 a gallon.
Reply to 91
“I already did my time in Iraq. You?”
I did my time in Vietnam, and I know a losing war when I see one. You stupid rightwing assholes lost the Iraq war when you tortured innocent Iraqi civilians.
@91
Hey Michael — why didn’t the Refucklicans allow a vote on Murtha’s resolution?
Hey Michael — here’s how you lying Refucks operate.
1. Refuse to allow a vote on Murtha’s resolution.
2. Write a resolution that twists and misrepresents Murtha’s words.
3. Stage a “vote” on your own written-for-smear resolution.
4. Then say Congress voted down Murtha’s call for “immediate withdrawal.”
This is known as “lying” and “smearing.”
Michael = troop-hating, unpatriotic, un-American liar
@93
“If we were to pull out of Iraq and stop the war on terror,
it is just a matter of time before the bastards come here.”
The war in Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 or the war on terror. It was a military adventure to grab Iraq’s oil, period. There were NO terrorists in Iraq until you stupid Refucklicans let them in.
GOP = terrorist enablers
Cynical-Idiot @94
OH PLEEEEZE!!! Cynical, you are always full of shit, but when did you stoop to barefaced lying? This was nothing but grandstanding. The Refucks deliberately wrote a resolution nobody could vote for. If you fuckers were honest, you would allow a vote on Murtha’s resolution.
It doesn’t matter. All the cheap publicity stunts in the world on the floor of Congress won’t save your asses. Two-thirds of the American people think this war was a mistake, Bush is dishonest, and the U.S. should exit from Iraq. The only thing that can save the Refucks now is rigging the voting machines.
It’s Hail Mary time for the cynical idiots of the world.
@110
“Of course, signing up isn’t necessarily easy. We haven’t had a draft for long time, literacy standards are higher, and you might not make the cut.”
No worries, they’re hard up and taking dropouts now. Hey trollfucks — this is your chance — the only opportunity you will ever get to ride in the front seat of a Hummer.
Dr E
Perhaps you have a contrarian view, or somehow can present a different read on any of the three profiles of Katrina ‘victims’ I saw this morning. Perhaps I misread things, or somehow viewed the pieces and people in a light different than you. Perhaps it was the couple in the New York hotel that you take issue with, and saw in them a level of ‘step up’ or effectiveness that I didn’t.
Or, you could be just another of a long line of idiots that see, pigeonhole, lambast, and somehow feel bettered for your ‘compassion.’ Or, you could be a person wishing for an opportunity to declare himself a victim and get a free ride for the rest of his life.
No matter. Your comment was beneath contempt. Presume my affiliations, views, and actions at your own peril, my friend.
Dumbass
Ummmm…. To the person who stated emphatically that there were no terrorists in Iraq.
Ummmm…. Abu Abbas was there. Sought and gained exile there after the stinking caribineri drew down on my support staff in Sigonella. We hunted that asshole all over the Med until we found the 737, forced it down, and was to bring him to justice.
Perhaps it’s semantics. Maybe in your world he was a soldier of the cause, or some freedom fighter. And I consider him a terrorist.
Is that our gap in understanding? You celebrate his actions and I rightly condemn them? Because, like it or not, he WAS in Iraq, and most of the world considered him a terrorist.
Explain yourself.
Let’s see, there are several hundred thousand Katrina refugees, and the news media spotlight 3 ingrates, and based on that you judge the entire group. That proves what a half-wit you are. The media could as easily do a story on 30,000 Katrina refugees who are grateful for the help they received, working hard to restart their lives, and being good citizens in their host communities — but that’s not news, is it. Bad news sells, nobody wants to see or read about things that go right.
Another trollfuck who swallows whole whatever Fox or Rush feeds him. (sigh)
They COULDN’T vote for that resolution? No one could vote for it?
Excuse me? Three people did, and to my knowledge, they weren’t taken outside and tortured, expelled, or censured.
Shameless stunt? Sure! Did you expect any different from ANY of the people that haunt the halls of the people? Geez, there have been so many shameless stunts, contrived theatrics, and utter BS from all parties in the past weeks that this doesn’t even seem to be out of line with any of the rest.
But c’mon. They COULDN’T vote for it? They could and three did. All parties are just as idiotic as the others. There is no high ground with these politicians, and I resent you defending the actions of any of them.
Too many RR posts. One crazy socialsit “guvment” hack union lib. Just another entitled Democrat who can’t make it in the private sector.
If I may change the topic slightly for a moment (this is, after all, an open thread), I’d like to ask our trollfuck friends how their anti-Gregoire initiative is doing. You know, the popular referendum on whether Gregoire stole the election? The Rossi popularity poll? I-912? Anybody?
Well, it’s no surprise. The last time our state held a vote on John Carlson’s popularity, he got something like 35%. The tobacco companies can take a small comfort in knowing cigarette smoke is slightly more popular than John Carlson.
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Pop Quiz:
1. How many of the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqis?
2. How many Al Qaeda training camps were in Iraq?
3. Which country was Osama hiding in?
@1121 (continued)
Are you really as stupid a fuck as you appear to be?
Roger,
Nice try. Doesn’t work, but nice try.
Not about gratitude, not about condemning all of the survivors, not about anything more than contempt for the ones trying to soak the taxpayer. You know, the ones that are just coasting along and enjoying the good life and stamping their feet about how unfairly they are being treated, yet doing nothing to rebuild.
I mean, you may find that to be noble and supportable behavior. I do not. It’s been enough time now that we should be beyond the point of sitting in our government paid hotel rooms, and out trying to rebuild our lives, communities, and nation. Isn’t that a fair expectation?
Grateful? Hell, if gratitude is your only judgment on this whole deal, get Congress to supply me $10 mill a year with conditions, and I will be the most grateful person in America. You watch and see!
So, help me understand. Are there people among the survivors that are soaking the system with the intent of getting a free ride as long as they can? Are there people among the survivors who are receiving benefits that are not doing anything to put things back together? Are there people among the survivors that are willing to play emotional politics to soak the taxpayers for every dime they can get while they can? Reasonable questions. I say yes, there are. Not all, as you wish to portray me as having said. How about you? You think some are? And what should be done about it?
@124
Your resentment might be more constructive if you redirected it against the people who elected the majority of them.
@129
I saw news footage of people complaining that FEMA gave them only 2 weeks’ notice to vacate their hotel rooms. How the hell are you supposed to find an apartment on 2 weeks’ notice in a strange city when you have lost everything and have no job, no clothes, no money? This is another shameful example of FEMA mismanagement and the Bush administration not giving a damn about people who are hurting.
Roger,
Your vitriol is very unattractive this morning.
Was Abu Abbas a terrorist, or was he one of your heros? A simple question. The answer to which either makes you out to be a liar on the subject of whether there were terrorists in Iraq or not. Simple.
I mean, hey, *I* am not the one who by inference thinks that there are no terrorists in the world.
My friend, I assure you that I am not aware that Iraq planned, housed, funded, or put forward people to enact the plot on America. Your silly questions that seem to intimate that scenario as being believed by me only illustrate your ignorance and arrogance. (Guess Bush isn’t the only one that has the wild west mentality of ‘if you aren’t with us, you’re against us’)
I go back to my question. Do me the honor of answering it. Was Abbas a terrorist or not? Where he exiled and resided is not up for debate, as there is no doubt that he was in Iraq.
Roger,
Ummm, did you just suggest that I redirect my contempt about the situation towards those who voted for these idiots?
Since I hold all parties equally in contempt, you would now suggest that I hold every voter in contempt. Every voter in America?
Wow! I mean, I know that you are able to do such things, for your irrational contempt and high minded spouting speaks to that with nearly every post, but really!
Nope, I can’t really see me condemning every voter, for then I would have to condemn our Country. And the Constitution. And our forefathers. Sorry, going to have to pass on this invitation. Unlike you, I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution, and take that oath seriously.
Don’t let that stop you though. I mean, this is America, and you can speak your mind to your heart’s content. Condemn majorities, minorities, and ‘the other guy’ as much as you want. I choose not to lower myself to your level and condemn the charter document of our Nation.
To all the armchair patriots out there, here’s your chance to support the troops in Iraq:
Download an enlistment form at the following link.: http://www:usmilitary.about.co.....ntract.htm
Or, it might be just as easy to type in: Military Enlistment Form, and follow the links.
Good Luck.
The form downloads in Adobe. Fill it out, sign it, take it to a recruiting office near you.
Marilyn
Between Post 103 and 130—
28 Posts of which
24 are Roger Rabbit.
Roger Rabbit====Goldy’s Stat Builder!!
Myself@133;
Better yet, download the form and send it to Dickless Cheney, rummy, and all representaties who have not served, and all representatives who think this is such a wonderful war. You might want to fill it out in their behalf. Don’t overlook our President and his war-age children. Perhaps they don’t know how to get a copy. You might want to run off several copies just to have them handy (or just in case you screw up the form in your zeal to get it filled out). Keep some in your brief case, or briefs, to pass around. Marilyn
Among the many distortions, misrepresentations and outright falsifications that have emerged from the debate over Iraq, one in particular stands out above all others. This is the charge that George W. Bush misled us into an immoral or unnecessary war in Iraq by telling a series of lies that have now been definitively exposed.
What makes this charge so special is the amazing success it has enjoyed in getting itself established as a self-evident truth even though it has been refuted and discredited over and over again by evidence and argument alike. In this it resembles nothing so much as those animated cartoon characters who, after being flattened, blown up or pushed over a cliff, always spring back to life with their bodies perfectly intact. Perhaps, like those cartoon characters, this allegation simply cannot be killed off, no matter what.
Nevertheless, I want to take one more shot at exposing it for the lie that it itself really is. Although doing so will require going over ground that I and many others have covered before, I hope that revisiting this well-trodden terrain may also serve to refresh memories that have grown dim, to clarify thoughts that have grown confused, and to revive outrage that has grown commensurately dulled.
The main “lie” that George W. Bush is accused of telling us is that Saddam Hussein possessed an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, or WMD as they have invariably come to be called. From this followed the subsidiary “lie” that Iraq under Saddam’s regime posed a two-edged mortal threat. On the one hand, we were informed, there was a distinct (or even “imminent”) possibility that Saddam himself would use these weapons against us or our allies; and on the other hand, there was the still more dangerous possibility that he would supply them to terrorists like those who had already attacked us on 9/11 and to whom he was linked.
This entire scenario of purported deceit was given a new lease on life by the indictment in late October of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, then chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Libby stands accused of making false statements to the FBI and of committing perjury in testifying before a grand jury that had been convened to find out who in the Bush administration had “outed” Valerie Plame, a CIA agent married to the retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. The supposed purpose of leaking this classified information to the press was to retaliate against Mr. Wilson for having “debunked” (in his words) “the lies that led to war.”
Now, as it happens, Mr. Libby was not charged with having outed Ms. Plame but only with having lied about when and from whom he first learned that she worked for the CIA. Moreover, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor who brought the indictment against him, made a point of emphasizing that “this indictment is not about the war”:
This indictment is not about the propriety of the war. And people who believe fervently in the war effort, people who oppose it, people who have mixed feelings about it should not look to this indictment for any resolution of how they feel or any vindication of how they feel.
This is simply an indictment that says, in a national-security investigation about the compromise of a CIA officer’s identity that may have taken place in the context of a very heated debate over the war, whether some person–a person, Mr. Libby–lied or not.
No matter. Harry Reid, the Democratic leader in the Senate, spoke for a host of other opponents of the war in insisting:
This case is bigger than the leak of classified information. It is about how the Bush White House manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to bolster its case for the war in Iraq and to discredit anyone who dared to challenge the president.
Yet even stipulating–which I do only for the sake of argument–that no weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq in the period leading up to the invasion, it defies all reason to think that Mr. Bush was lying when he asserted that they did. To lie means to say something one knows to be false. But it is as close to certainty as we can get that Mr. Bush believed in the truth of what he was saying about WMD in Iraq.
How indeed could it have been otherwise? George Tenet, his own CIA director, assured him that the case was “a slam dunk.” This phrase would later become notorious, but in using it, Mr. Tenet had the backing of all 15 agencies involved in gathering intelligence for the United States. In the National Intelligence Estimate of 2002, where their collective views were summarized, one of the conclusions offered with “high confidence” was that “Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding its chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions.”
The intelligence agencies of Britain, Germany, Russia, China, Israel and–yes–France all agreed with this judgment. And even Hans Blix–who headed the U.N. team of inspectors trying to determine whether Saddam had complied with the demands of the Security Council that he get rid of the weapons of mass destruction he was known to have had in the past–lent further credibility to the case in a report he issued only a few months before the invasion:
The discovery of a number of 122-mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km [105 miles] southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker, and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions. . . . They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for.
Mr. Blix now claims that he was only being “cautious” here, but if, as he now also adds, the Bush administration “misled itself” in interpreting the evidence before it, he at the very least lent it a helping hand.
So, once again, did the British, the French and the Germans, all of whom signed on in advance to Secretary of State Colin Powell’s reading of the satellite photos he presented to the U.N. in the period leading up to the invasion. Mr. Powell himself and his chief of staff, Lawrence Wilkerson, now feel that this speech was the low point of his tenure as secretary of state. But Mr. Wilkerson (in the process of a vicious attack on the president, the vice president, and the secretary of defense for getting us into Iraq) is forced to acknowledge that the Bush administration did not lack for company in interpreting the available evidence as it did:
I can’t tell you why the French, the Germans, the Brits and us thought that most of the material, if not all of it, that we presented at the U.N. on 5 February 2003 was the truth. I can’t. I’ve wrestled with it. [But] when you see a satellite photograph of all the signs of the chemical-weapons ASP–Ammunition Supply Point–with chemical weapons, and you match all those signs with your matrix on what should show a chemical ASP, and they’re there, you have to conclude that it’s a chemical ASP, especially when you see the next satellite photograph which shows the UN inspectors wheeling in their white vehicles with black markings on them to that same ASP, and everything is changed, everything is clean. . . . But George [Tenet] was convinced, John McLaughlin [Tenet’s deputy] was convinced, that what we were presented [for Powell’s UN speech] was accurate.
Going on to shoot down a widespread impression, Mr. Wilkerson informs us that even the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research, known as INR, was convinced:
People say, well, INR dissented. That’s a bunch of bull. INR dissented that the nuclear program was up and running. That’s all INR dissented on. They were right there with the chems and the bios.
In explaining its dissent on Iraq’s nuclear program, the INR had, as stated in the NIE of 2002, expressed doubt about:
Iraq’s efforts to acquire aluminum tubes [which are] central to the argument that Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear-weapons program. . . . INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use as centrifuge rotors . . . in Iraq’s nuclear-weapons program.
But, according to Wilkerson:
The French came in in the middle of my deliberations at the CIA and said, we have just spun aluminum tubes, and by God, we did it to this rpm, et cetera, et cetera, and it was all, you know, proof positive that the aluminum tubes were not for mortar casings or artillery casings, they were for centrifuges. Otherwise, why would you have such exquisite instruments?
In short, and whether or not it included the secret heart of Hans Blix, “the consensus of the intelligence community,” as Mr. Wilkerson puts it, “was overwhelming” in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq that Saddam definitely had an arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, and that he was also in all probability well on the way to rebuilding the nuclear capability that the Israelis had damaged by bombing the Osirak reactor in 1981.
Additional confirmation of this latter point comes from Kenneth Pollack, who served in the National Security Council under Clinton. “In the late spring of 2002,” Pollack has written:
I participated in a Washington meeting about Iraqi WMD. Those present included nearly twenty former inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the force established in 1991 to oversee the elimination of WMD in Iraq. One of the senior people put a question to the group: did anyone in the room doubt that Iraq was currently operating a secret centrifuge plant? No one did. Three people added that they believed Iraq was also operating a secret calutron plant (a facility for separating uranium isotopes).
No wonder, then, that another conclusion the NIE of 2002 reached with “high confidence” was that “Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.” (Hard as it is to believe, let alone to reconcile with his general position, Joseph C. Wilson IV, in a speech he delivered three months after the invasion at the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, offhandedly made the following remark: “I remain of the view that we will find biological and chemical weapons and we may well find something that indicates that Saddam’s regime maintained an interest in nuclear weapons.”)
But the consensus on which Mr. Bush relied was not born in his own administration. In fact, it was first fully formed in the Clinton administration. Here is Bill Clinton himself, speaking in 1998:
If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons-of-mass-destruction program.
Here is his Secretary of State Madeline Albright, also speaking in 1998:
Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.
Here is Sandy Berger, Clinton’s National Security Adviser, who chimed in at the same time with this flat-out assertion about Saddam:
He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.
Finally, Mr. Clinton’s secretary of defense, William Cohen, was so sure Saddam had stockpiles of WMD that he remained “absolutely convinced” of it even after our failure to find them in the wake of the invasion in March 2003.
Nor did leading Democrats in Congress entertain any doubts on this score. A few months after Mr. Clinton and his people made the statements I have just quoted, a group of Democratic senators, including such liberals as Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and John Kerry, urged the President “to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons-of-mass-destruction programs.”
Nancy Pelosi, the future leader of the Democrats in the House, and then a member of the House Intelligence Committee, added her voice to the chorus:
Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons-of-mass-destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
This Democratic drumbeat continued and even intensified when Mr. Bush succeeded Mr. Clinton in 2001, and it featured many who would later pretend to have been deceived by the Bush White House. In a letter to the new president, a group of senators led by Bob Graham declared:
There is no doubt that . . . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical, and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf war status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.
Sen. Carl Levin also reaffirmed for Mr. Bush’s benefit what he had told Mr. Clinton some years earlier:
Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton agreed, speaking in October 2002:
In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.
Senator Jay Rockefeller, vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, agreed as well:
There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. . . . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.
Even more striking were the sentiments of Bush’s opponents in his two campaigns for the presidency. Thus Al Gore in September 2002:
We know that [Saddam] has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.
And here is Mr. Gore again, in that same year:
Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.
Now to John Kerry, also speaking in 2002:
I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force–if necessary–to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.
Perhaps most startling of all, given the rhetoric that they would later employ against Mr. Bush after the invasion of Iraq, are statements made by Sens. Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, also in 2002:
Kennedy: “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Byrd: “The last U.N. weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical- and biological-warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons.”
Liberal politicians like these were seconded by the mainstream media, in whose columns a very different tune would later be sung. For example, throughout the last two years of the Clinton administration, editorials in the New York Times repeatedly insisted that “without further outside intervention, Iraq should be able to rebuild weapons and missile plants within a year [and] future military attacks may be required to diminish the arsenal again.”
The Times was also skeptical of negotiations, pointing out that it was “hard to negotiate with a tyrant who has no intention of honoring his commitments and who sees nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons as his country’s salvation.”
So, too, the Washington Post, which greeted the inauguration of George W. Bush in January 2001 with this admonition:
Of all the booby traps left behind by the Clinton administration, none is more dangerous–or more urgent–than the situation in Iraq. Over the last year, Mr. Clinton and his team quietly avoided dealing with, or calling attention to, the almost complete unraveling of a decade’s efforts to isolate the regime of Saddam Hussein and prevent it from rebuilding its weapons of mass destruction. That leaves President Bush to confront a dismaying panorama in the Persian Gulf [where] intelligence photos . . . show the reconstruction of factories long suspected of producing chemical and biological weapons.
All this should surely suffice to prove far beyond any even unreasonable doubt that Mr. Bush was telling what he believed to be the truth about Saddam’s stockpile of WMD. It also disposes of the fallback charge that Mr. Bush lied by exaggerating or hyping the intelligence presented to him. Why on earth would he have done so when the intelligence itself was so compelling that it convinced everyone who had direct access to it, and when hardly anyone in the world believed that Saddam had, as he claimed, complied with the 16 resolutions of the Security Council demanding that he get rid of his weapons of mass destruction?
Another fallback charge is that Mr. Bush, operating mainly through Mr. Cheney, somehow forced the CIA into telling him what he wanted to hear. Yet in its report of 2004, the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, while criticizing the CIA for relying on what in hindsight looked like weak or faulty intelligence, stated that it “did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence, or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq’s weapons-of-mass-destruction capabilities.
The March 2005 report of the equally bipartisan Robb-Silberman commission, which investigated intelligence failures on Iraq, reached the same conclusion, finding “no evidence of political pressure to influence the intelligence community’s pre-war assessments of Iraq’s weapons programs. . . . Analysts universally asserted that in no instance did political pressure cause them to skew or alter any of their analytical judgments.”
Still, even many who believed that Saddam did possess WMD, and was ruthless enough to use them, accused Mr. Bush of telling a different sort of lie by characterizing the risk as “imminent.” But this, too, is false: Mr. Bush consistently rejected imminence as a justification for war. Thus, in the State of the Union address he delivered only three months after 9/11, Mr. Bush declared that he would “not wait on events while dangers gather” and that he would “not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer.” Then, in a speech at West Point six months later, he reiterated the same point: “If we wait for threats to materialize, we will have waited too long.” And as if that were not clear enough, he went out of his way in his State of the Union address in 2003 (that is, three months before the invasion), to bring up the word “imminent” itself precisely in order to repudiate it:
Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.
What of the related charge that it was still another “lie” to suggest, as Mr. Bush and his people did, that a connection could be traced between Saddam Hussein and the al Qaeda terrorists who had attacked us on 9/11? This charge was also rejected by the Senate Intelligence Committee. Contrary to how its findings were summarized in the mainstream media, the committee’s report explicitly concluded that al Qaeda did in fact have a cooperative, if informal, relationship with Iraqi agents working under Saddam. The report of the bipartisan 9/11 commission came to the same conclusion, as did a comparably independent British investigation conducted by Lord Butler, which pointed to “meetings . . . between senior Iraqi representatives and senior al-Qaeda operatives.”
Which brings us to Joseph C. Wilson, IV and what to my mind wins the palm for the most disgraceful instance of all.
The story begins with the notorious 16 words inserted–after, be it noted, much vetting by the CIA and the State Department–into Bush’s 2003 State of the Union address:
The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
This is the “lie” Mr. Wilson bragged of having “debunked” after being sent by the CIA to Niger in 2002 to check out the intelligence it had received to that effect. Mr. Wilson would later angrily deny that his wife had recommended him for this mission, and would do his best to spread the impression that choosing him had been the vice president’s idea. But Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, through whom Mr. Wilson first planted this impression, was eventually forced to admit that “Cheney apparently didn’t know that Wilson had been dispatched.” (By the time Mr. Kristof grudgingly issued this retraction, Mr. Wilson himself, in characteristically shameless fashion, was denying that he had ever “said the vice president sent me or ordered me sent.”) And as for his wife’s supposed nonrole in his mission, here is what Valerie Plame Wilson wrote in a memo to her boss at the CIA:
My husband has good relations with the PM [the prime minister of Niger] and the former minister of mines . . ., both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.
More than a year after his return, with the help of Mr. Kristof, and also Walter Pincus of the Washington Post, and then through an op-ed piece in the Times under his own name, Mr. Wilson succeeded, probably beyond his wildest dreams, in setting off a political firestorm.
In response, the White House, no doubt hoping to prevent his allegation about the 16 words from becoming a proxy for the charge that (in Mr. Wilson’s latest iteration of it) “lies and disinformation [were] used to justify the invasion of Iraq,” eventually acknowledged that the president’s statement “did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union address.” As might have been expected, however, this panicky response served to make things worse rather than better. And yet it was totally unnecessary–for the maddeningly simple reason that every single one of the 16 words at issue was true.
That is, British intelligence had assured the CIA that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy enriched uranium from the African country of Niger. Furthermore–and notwithstanding the endlessly repeated assertion that this assurance has now been discredited–Britain’s independent Butler commission concluded that it was “well-founded.” The relevant passage is worth quoting at length:
a. It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999.
b. The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger’s exports, the intelligence was credible.
c. The evidence was not conclusive that Iraq actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium, and the British government did not claim this.
As if that were not enough to settle the matter, Mr. Wilson himself, far from challenging the British report when he was “debriefed” on his return from Niger (although challenging it is what he now never stops doing), actually strengthened the CIA’s belief in its accuracy. From the Senate Intelligence Committee report:
He [the CIA reports officer] said he judged that the most important fact in the report [by Mr. Wilson] was that Niger officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Niger prime minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium.
And again:
The report on [Mr. Wilson’s] trip to Niger . . . did not change any analysts’ assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original CIA reports on the uranium deal.
This passage goes on to note that the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research–which (as we have already seen) did not believe that Saddam Hussein was trying to develop nuclear weapons–found support in Mr. Wilson’s report for its “assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.” But if so, this, as the Butler report quoted above points out, would not mean that Iraq had not tried to buy it–which was the only claim made by British intelligence and then by Mr. Bush in the famous 16 words.
The liar here, then, was not Mr. Bush but Mr. Wilson. And Mr. Wilson also lied when he told the Washington Post that he had unmasked as forgeries certain documents given to American intelligence (by whom it is not yet clear) that supposedly contained additional evidence of Saddam’s efforts to buy uranium from Niger. The documents did indeed turn out to be forgeries; but, according to the Butler report:
The forged documents were not available to the British government at the time its assessment was made, and so the fact of the forgery does not undermine [that assessment].
More damning yet to Mr. Wilson, the Senate Intelligence Committee discovered that he had never laid eyes on the documents in question:
[Mr. Wilson] also told committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article . . . which said, “among the envoy’s conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because ‘the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.’ ” Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the “dates were wrong and the names were wrong” when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports.
To top all this off, just as Mr. Cheney had nothing to do with the choice of Mr. Wilson for the mission to Niger, neither was it true that, as Mr. Wilson “confirmed” for a credulous New Republic reporter, “the CIA circulated [his] report to the Vice President’s office,” thereby supposedly proving that Cheney and his staff “knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie.” Yet–the mind reels–if Mr. Cheney had actually been briefed on Mr. Wilson’s oral report to the CIA (which he was not), he would, like the CIA itself, have been more inclined to believe that Saddam had tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger.
So much for the author of the best-selling and much-acclaimed book whose title alone–“The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife’s CIA Identity”–has set a new record for chutzpah.
But there is worse. In his press conference on the indictment against Mr. Libby, Patrick Fitzgerald insisted that lying to federal investigators is a serious crime both because it is itself against the law and because, by sending them on endless wild-goose chases, it constitutes the even more serious crime of obstruction of justice. By those standards, Mr. Wilson–who has repeatedly made false statements about every aspect of his mission to Niger, including whose idea it was to send him and what he told the CIA upon his return; who was then shown up by the Senate Intelligence Committee as having lied about the forged documents; and whose mendacity has sent the whole country into a wild-goose chase after allegations that, the more they are refuted, the more they keep being repeated–is himself an excellent candidate for criminal prosecution.
And so long as we are hunting for liars in this area, let me suggest that we begin with the Democrats now proclaiming that they were duped, and that we then broaden out to all those who in their desperation to delegitimize the larger policy being tested in Iraq–the policy of making the Middle East safe for America by making it safe for democracy–have consistently used distortion, misrepresentation and selective perception to vilify as immoral a bold and noble enterprise and to brand as an ignominious defeat what is proving itself more and more every day to be a victory of American arms and a vindication of American ideals
So what I’m hearing is:
“…blah, blah, blah…cowards…blah, blah, blah…cut and run…blah, blah, blah…you are the terrorist…blah, blah, blah…no such thing as a liberal man…”
So if Democrats are feminine cowards who want to undermine the natural manly inclination to put our young men in harm’s way for no good reason other than saving Bush’s rapidly disintegrating masculinity, why is the top military officer in Iraq submitting a withdrawal plan AS WE SPEAK?
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The top U.S. commander in Iraq has submitted a plan to the Pentagon for withdrawing troops in Iraq, according to a senior defense official.
He must be some sort of feminized, cut-and-run coward, right? OR are the Democrats and roughly 52% of the American people (who say we should withdraw either immediately or within 12 months) just RIGHT that it makes no sense to throw good money and lives after $300 billion/2081 dead? Gee, that’s a tough one.
52% say we we should withdraw now or within 12 months
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
ASS @ 82
That’s “from whom”
Face it, Iraq is a big sinkhole of death, wasted money, Republican and Iraqi corruption, lost US prestige, and future terrorist training. There were no WMD. Saddam was no threat to the US mainland. There was no nuclear program and everyone except Bush, Cheney, Rice and co. agreed. There were no drones.
Given that we DID pull the monumental boner of invading so Bush could feel like his dick was bigger than Daddy’s, we long ago achieved our mission of toppling Saddam and putting another government in place. We’re done. Time to go.
Oh, and no more “we’re fighting them there so we don’t fight them here.” We are fighting Iraqis who hate an occupying army, not al Qaida. When we leave, their biggest target and the reason so many are insurgent in the first place will also be gone. Another strongman will likely arise and oppress the population. Whether that happens or not, it’s THEIR destiny to fulfill, and none fo our f-ucking business.
YEP DEMOFUCKS
THE PARTY OF CUT AND RUN.AND MARILYN SINCE YOUR SO GOOD AT ADVICE WHY DONT YOU HOP DOWN AND JOIN. AH THATS RIGHT YOUR THE PARTY OF CUT AND RUN CHICKENSHITS.
yo@140: Why should I? It’s YOUR war dumb fuck. Go enlist. Or can’t you make the cut? Not bright enough? Not brave enough? Not literate enough? Not “man” enough? Gee, did I hit a nerve, dumbboy fuck? which one was it? The yellow one up your back?
Put up or shut up. Bullshit walks. Marilyn
The fruitcake girls and nutburger ‘boys’ CAN’T run down and join… “Don’t ask, Don’t tell Policy”, dontcha know…and with their typical big mouths, they simply can’t resist strutting and telling!
@142: Ah! So that’s why you haven’t enlisted. Marilyn
Sorry sweetcheeks, I’m out of the age range where I’d be accepted… but luckily for you welfare whore types, still well within the range to support you
What’s your excuse?
And, as I have said before, I DO have a stepson (we love you Chris) serving in Iraq right this very moment… fighting and defending your right to be a complete and total cowardly cut and run ASS without having your head handed to whomever after having it gleefully chopped off.
@144: Like you, I’m too old. That doesn’t mean we can’t support the troops here at home though, does it? Volunteered at a VA hospital lately? BTW, I’m not on welfare, yours or anyone else’s. Thanksgiving is a good time to invite some military families over for dinner. Call the Family Service Center at one of the military bases. Thanks for the compliment on my cheeks, it’s been awhile since I heard that. Marilyn
@145: Hope your stepson Chris is home safe and sound, real soon. My nephew came home recently. My other nephew is in the Air Force reserves. He had been flying out of Afghanistan – intermittently over the past several years. He’s home for now. I want them all home and the sooner the better. As for cut and run, some of the biggest proponents of the war cut and ran before it ever started. They knew they wouldn’t have to serve. They’ve been in the cheerleading section all of their life – at young people’s expense. Marilyn
Quoting ME: And by the way,
Cougs will take home the Apple Cup tomorrow to make that Crimson and Gray Space Needle ever so much more sweet.
Comment by HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS— 11/19/05 @ 12:52 am
Oh yeah!!
26-22
“Humbling the Washington Huskies!”
Oh yeah!
Oh yeah!!
26-22
@148
You’re BRAGGING because the Cougars BARELY beat the Huskies in the last seconds of the game??? Hell, who HASN’T beat the Huskies this year? If they had played an exhibition game against a grade school, they would have lost!
By the way, has anyone checked to find out whether that Republican bitch who called Rep. Murtha a “coward” served in the military?
It’s time for the Chickenhawk List again — buu-uck-cluck-cluck-cluck buu-uck-cluck-cluck-cluck-cluck
George W. Bush – went AWOL from National Guard
Dick Cheney – 5 deferments, never served
Phil Gramm – 4 deferments, never served
John Ashcroft – 7 deferments, never served
Jeb Bush – never served
Karl Rove – never served
Dennis Hastert – never served
Bill Frist – never served
Dick Armey – never served
Tom DeLay – never served
Newt Gingrich – never served
Trent Lott – never served
Saxby Chambliss – claimed “bad knee,” never served
Mitch McConnell – did not serve.
Rick Santorum – did not serve.
Roy Blunt – never served
Richard Shelby – never served
Dana Rohrabacher – never served
John M. McHugh – never served
JC Watts – never served
Jack Kemp – never served becaue of “knee problem” that didn’t keep him from playing in NFL for 8 years
Arnold Schwarzenegger – went AWOL from Austrian army
George Pataki – never served
Spencer Abraham – never served
John Engler – never served
Elliott Abrams – never served
Paul Wolfowitz – never served
Vin Weber – never served
Richard Perle – never served
Douglas Feith – never served
Rudy Guiliani – never served
Kenneth Starr – never served
Antonin Scalia – never served
Clarence Thomas – never served
Ralph Reed – never served
Michael Medved – never served
Charlie Daniels – never served
Ted Nugent – never served
Jon Kyl – never served
Tim Hutchison – never served
Christopher Cox – never served
George Will – never served
Chris Matthews – never served
Bill O’Reilly – never served
Sean Hannity – never served
Rush Limbaugh – never served
Michael Savage – never served
Paul Gigot – never served
Bill Bennett – never served
Pat Buchanan – never served
Pat Robertson – never served
Bill Kristol – never served
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Murtha is wrong – dead wrong!
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
It is amazing that a man can be such a warrior and as he ages he forgets what he once was.
Exactly what kind of diplomacy would make a hooded man with hatred in his heart and a giant machete in his right hand put the weapon down?
What diplomacy would have made Sadaam’s sons not rape and kill?
Zarqari just issued a death threat this morning to King Abdullah of Jordan threatening to chop off his head, do ya really think he wants to talk?
Do you believe diplomacy would have stopped the bombers from going into a mosque yesterday and killing almost 75 men in prayer?
Vietnam is the only war that America has ever lost, is it coincidental that Kerry and Murtha are Vietnam veterans and that’s their not so brillant solution, to fail again? We cut and ran out of Vietnam, so they think we should do the same now? Hundreds of thousands lost their lives in Vietnam when we withdrew, and if we repeat history it will be worse in Iraq.
America has a moral obligation to the Iraqi people to bring them democracy. They are dying for it too!
Reply to 131
Typical wingnut red herring! Abbas, wanted for the Achille Lauro hijacking in 1985, was captured in Baghdad when U.S. Marines took the city in 2003. To date, this is ALL you wingtards have come up with to back up Bush’s bullshit claim that invading Iraq is part of the “war on terror” — no wait, I forgot, Saddam gave money to families of Palestinian suicide bombers — no wait, I forgot, half of Al Qaeda has moved to Iraq since we deposed that country’s dictator and created a chaotic situation there. Well, at least they aren’t in Afghanistan anymore — no wait, I forgot, they ARE in Afghanistan …
It’s fitting, though, that a trollfuck posts under a terrorist’s name. It’s a perfect screen name for you, trollfuck.
You’re BRAGGING because the Cougars BARELY beat the Huskies in the last seconds of the game??? Hell, who HASN’T beat the Huskies this year? -Comment by Roger Rabbit— 11/19/05 @ 4:00 pm
Damn straight.
Kinda, sorta like YOU BRAG ABOUT THE ILLEGITIMATE QUEEN “WINNING” – you know, that whole 130 manipulated votes thingie in the last ‘seconds” of the phony recount and then claiming she has a mandate to break her own campaign “promises”.
Pot, kettle sweetcheeks.
Does rat poison work on rabbits…I’ll put it in the humane trap…
Evel Knievel @132
Several interesting leaps of logic there: Roger Rabbit holds Republic voters in contempt THEREFORE ProudASS (or whichever fucking idiot is posting as Abu Abbas and Evel Knievel) holds all voters in contempt THEREFORE Roger Rabbit is condemning America, the Founding Fathers, and the Constitution.
Well, what do you expect from someone who tries to jump across a canyon on a motorcycle without a helmet? Too many rock landings have made his head soft.
errata
last post should read “Roger Rabbit holds Republican voters” etc.
@132 (continued)
But I digress. The question was,
“did you just suggest that I redirect my contempt about the situation towards those who voted for these idiots?”
Yes.
Murtha is wrong – dead wrong!
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
I mean, who ELSE would you blame? Not the Democrats. You fucktards have been running congress since 1994 and running the whole government since 2001, so all this shit IS YOUR FAULT.
Reply to 134
I’m a serial poster. Get over it.
Quick. Tell me who this is…
YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF CUT AND RUN DUMBFUCKS. ALL YOU DO IS CUT AND RUN. OR JUST RUN IF YOU CAN’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO CUT, WHICH YOU CAN’T BECAUSE YOU’RE ALL DUMBFUCKS. WHO CUT AND RUN. DID I MENTION YOU CUT AND RUN?
Could be anyone, huh?
Or who is this….
You moonbat leftist donkocrat clown progressives are such donks. Donks are Communist losers who don’t know they are loser because your socialist masters won’t let you believe how loserish they really are. The HollyWeird Elites have them so brainwashed that they vote for the donk coward Kerry and then Alec baldwin didn’t leave. You are all hate filled, bile spewing…donks. What IS a donk?
Proud to Be Stupid. Eat it. Bet it works on Rats.
Republicans love war as long as they don’t have to serve.
Cheney had five draft deferements and is a warhawk.
Senator McCain a Vietnam POW is against torture. What is the difference? McCain served and experienced war.
VP Cheney the cheerleader for torturing and abusing prisoners had five draft deferrments and absolutely no military experience. Is Cheney qualified to speak about prisoners of War? No.
@153
Somebody needs to bitch-slap that Republican whore who called Murtha a “coward.”
@157
Would everyone who thinks John Stuart Mill was talking about Bush’s dumbass military adventure in Iraq please raise your right hand. Then say “Seig Heil!” three times.
Neither the Cougars or the Huskies are the best team in Washington State. That belongs to a Division 1-AA school, Eastern Washington University in Cheney. 6 and 4, 5 and 2 in the Big Sky Conference. There game gets underway in a few minutes against University of California-Davis. They do not have to win tonight, but it would be great if they did. Just an hour or two ago, Montana State beat Montana, making it a three-way tie for first place in the Big Sky, and the conference’s automatic play-off spot. Montana has 2 losses, so does EWU and Montana State, but Eastern beat Montana and Montana State, which gave them the tie-breaker. Division 1-AA does not have a BCS, so it is a fight for the finish to be National Champions, like the pros and high schools. GO EAGLES!
Vietnam is the only war that America has ever lost, is it coincidental that Kerry and Murtha are Vietnam veterans and that’s their not so brillant solution, to fail again? We cut and ran out of Vietnam, so they think we should do the same now? Hundreds of thousands lost their lives in Vietnam when we withdrew, and if we repeat history it will be worse in Iraq.
America has a moral obligation to the Iraqi people to bring them democracy. They are dying for it too!
It is amazing that a man can be such a warrior and as he ages he forgets what he once was.
Exactly what kind of diplomacy would make a hooded man with hatred in his heart and a giant machete in his right hand put the weapon down?
What diplomacy would have made Sadaam’s sons not rape and kill?
Zarqari just issued a death threat this morning to King Abdullah of Jordan threatening to chop off his head, do ya really think he wants to talk?
Do you believe diplomacy would have stopped the bombers from going into a mosque yesterday and killing almost 75 men in prayer
America is at its weakest point in its history. It has been taken over by cowards, traitors and thugs. The world RIGHTLY views us as a dictatorship run by a cowardly cabal of chickenhawk republicans who are more interested in political gain than American success.
If we survive the Bush regime’s terrible attacks on our freedom it will only be because of luck.
Thought I would mention on this open thread something I forgot to mention about that other school on the Palouse. EWU did not have to win their game tonight, but they did it anyway, 24-7. That makes thier record on the season 7 and 4. I hope they do well, and perhaps if they get any home playoff games, Woodward Field in Cheney(our home field, I am EWU, graduated 2003), or Joe Albi Stadium in Spokane could be an advantage. Although Martin Stadium in Pullman is named in honor of former Mayor of Cheney, Governor of Washington, and Clarence Martin, I think it is too big to host an EWU Playoff Home Game, even if we get one.
@166
“Vietnam is the only war that America has ever lost, is it coincidental that Kerry and Murtha are Vietnam veterans”
What a fucking cheap shot, posted by a real bastard. Why do Republicans hate Vietnam veterans so much?
@166
“We cut and ran out of Vietnam”
Do you think we should have wasted an additional 58,000 lives on an unwinnable war? Retards like you are truly fucking pathetic.
A democratic President started that war in Vietnam and a Republican President cut and ran………
I don’t hate Vietnam veterans. I absolutely don’t hate any veterans, I am a veteran. I get a VA check every month.
Thank you very much!
sgmmac spits on Vietnam veterans
SGM Mac was my nickname in the Army…….
SGM = Sergeant Major
Mac = my last name starts with Mc……..
I’ve never spit on anyone, I used to spit on my boots to shine them though……
I’ve never been called a bastard either, but I have been called a bitch more times than I can remember!
GOP finally showed some balls and called for vote on cut and run in Iraq. Baghdad Jim couldn’t come to terms with it and voted present. What a putz.
I hope you kooks in seattle are proud of him.
What do you moonbats think of a 2008 race with The Smartest Woman in The World, versus Rudy? Would that be fun? Wow…
@173
So whose bitch were you?
Rabbit,
I’m nobody’s bitch, just a mean woman who will tell anyone exactly what she thinks!
Seriously, Sergeant Mac, don’t you think it was over the top for Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio), a freshman congresswoman who got elected by defeating an Iraq veteran, to call someone with Murtha’s military credentials a “coward” on the floor of the U.S. House? She exemplifies what is wrong with today’s GOP. Nowadays Republicans are a bunch of empty suits, empty heads, and empty sound bites.
If she’s the best the Ohio Republican Party could come up with, the GOP is in serious trouble.
Hey music lovers, here’s a great link to “The Chickenhawk Song” — http://musicformaniacs.blogspo.....rican.html
WOW…. i didn’t realize that bill kristol was an elected official….who knew???? LOL.talk about “twisted logic”!!!
goldy must be very very busy making up all these names.i’m disappointed in you goldy.i thought you had more character than this. what is the point of ‘salting’ your own site?
you know….the way people write comes through…cadence, baby, cadence ….spoken word and written word. at least TRY to be a little more clever about it……..
let me guess….you BUY yourself awards too, don’t you? LOL.
All the little fringies from the U are awfully (blessedly!) quiet tonite… oh gee, I wonder why??
Space Needle: Crimson and Gray… Imagine that, liberal loonies with the biggest mouths on outrage regarding Katrina didn’t put their MONEY where their mouths were…Now, who does that sound like…403-3
Apple Cup: Going home where it belongs (and longs to remain)
26-22 on the home turf supposed ‘golden boys’…
Seattle liberal LOSERS!
Oh yeah!
Pop Quiz: Comment by Roger Rabbit— 11/19/05 @ 11:43 am
1. How many of the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqis? -None
1A.) How many World Wide Known Terrorists were in Iraq – Abu Abbas, Abu Zarqawi
2. How many Al Qaeda training camps were in Iraq? – See the Senate Report for the Bases Named
3. Which country was Osama hiding in? – What date furless one?
I think all of it is over the top and political. Both sides. I wish they would work together and accomplish something. I am a Republican, I voted for Bush. I am not a bible thumper, and if Roe v Wade is overturned, I will take to the streets with hundreds of thousands of other women in America. I would have voted for Rudy over Bush, McCain over Bush, Powell over Bush, and even Bill Clinton over Bush.
I am very PRO military… it was my life for 30 years.
1A.) … Abu Zarqawi
He is now … along with a bunch of others … the Bushies have turned Iraq into the terrorist capital of the world
Rabbit,
She actually didn’t call him a coward herself, she was reading a letter from a Marine. Marines, Army Special Forces, Army Rangers, Army Delta Force, Navy Seals are the toughest and meanest men in the world. They get hostile when one of their “own,” says that they are failing and can’t win. They will give all to win.
Was it inappropriate, yes, but it was in response to Murtha’s press conference. Republicans are on the defense right now.
I agree it is “over the top” political and with all my heart I believe the vitriol, the hate, the viciousness can be laid squarely at the feet of Bill Clinton, his Mommywife, the wicked witch of the Senate and their henchman pal Carville. THEY were the beginning of the “politics of personal destruction” they invented it, they perfected it. It took the GOP a while to figure it out, but finally they are exposing them for the vicious thugs they are. HURRAY…it’s about damned time.
Rabbit,
That is exactly why they need to stay in Iraq. Religious wars are difficult to win and they have been going on for centuries.
If the US withdrew now, you would see a new meaning of terrorist capital of the world. The only question would be who will be in charge? Osama? Zarqawi? or a thousand other crazed religious zealots?
Reply to 177
I’m just a rabid rabbit who will tell anybody what he thinks, and I think all you wingnut warmongers/torturers should go fuck yourselves.
Hey, I have nothing against veterans or military people — I’m a Vietnam vet — but I do hold the senseless waste of life against those responsible. Iraq did NOT attack the U.S. on 9/11/2001, did NOT have WMDs, did NOT threaten our country … Bush says he invaded Iraq as part of the war on terrorism, but he’s either lying or he’s very stupid.
Hey, I’m all in favor of hunting down and killing every last one of those Al Qaeda bastards responsible for 9/11. Kerry is, too, and so is Murtha, and I’m sick and tired of the smears and lies emanating from the rightwing sewer. There’s a putrid stench in American politics today, and it’s coming from the right wing haters. A lot of us are fed up with their bullshit.
I don’t see how ANY military veteran could have ANY respect for:
1) A president who absconded on his National Guard obligation;
2) A vice president who got 5 deferments to avoid military service during wartime;
3) A party whose Speaker, House Majority Leader, and Senator Majority Leader all avoided military service during Vietnam;
4) A party that has very, very few military veterans, and a tremendous number of draft shirkers, among its leadership;
5) And, while we’re at it, let’s also mention that virtually all of the warmonger policymakers of this administration (Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, etc.) and virtually all of the blowhard pundits that wingnuts goosestep to (Rush Limbaugh, Sean O’Reilly, etc.) were shirkers and draft dodgers.
CHICKENHAWKS!!! That’s a term of contempt reserved for the lowest of the low, people who start wars they send other people’s children to die in, but won’t fight in themselves or send their own children to.
Nobody’s calling you a chickenhawk, Sergeant Mac, but the Bush administration and GOP congress are full of them. And these yellow-stripe patriots have the nerve to question the patriotism of people WHO ACTUALLY SERVED??? You get my drift.
@186
“She actually didn’t call him a coward herself”
Like hell she didn’t
It’s true she backpedaled, denied it, and retracted it — but it was too late after the words already came out of her mouth. She will spend the rest of her career in Congress (which hopefully will be mercifully short) as a marked woman. You don’t say that about another MOC, and you especially don’t say that about a 37-year Marine veteran who walked the walk. She’s done. Toast.
Reply to 188
Who said the U.S. should withdraw now? Murtha didn’t. I’ll tell you who the cowards in Congress are: The Republicans who wouldn’t allow a vote on Murtha’s resolution. What he actually proposed is:
“Murtha Resolution To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq:
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
November 17, 2005
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution, which was referred to the Committee on _____________________
Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to “promote the emergence of a democratic government”;
Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;
Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;
Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;
Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,
Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;
Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;
Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;
Therefore be it
I) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in
2) Congress assembled,
3) That:
4) Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy.”
Rabbit, I did not say I like everything the Republicans do. I got very aggravated last week reading reports about cutting food stamps…..
Every democratic President that we had in the 30 years I spent in the Army, cut my pay and benefits, and cut military spending. I spent some lean years in the Army when my unit couldn’t buy repair parts for our trucks.
I was in the first gulf war and the kosovo conflict, so I did 10 months in two combat zones. I was looking at a job in Kuwait after I retired, but my daughter told me what she thought about that plan……..
“roger” @185….ever hear of a roach motel???? it’s called strategy. so all the terrorists are in iraq now, huh? and that is a problem…..why?
and really..like it wasn’t full of them before. god you are a fool.
and roger…….you and murtha are the only people foolish enough to want to telegraph your military plans to the enemy. get a grip…….
this isn’t “playing stratego at starbucks in seattle” this is a real war. i can only imagine what assinine aproach you would have wanted to take during WW2.
SO ROGER RABBITYOU ARE A VIETNAM VET SO TELL US WHAT PX DID YOU WORK IN
Republicans are fucking liars. They lied about Kerry, they lied about Max Cleland, now they’re lying about Murtha. Murtha’s proposal is not a policy of “abandonment and surrender.” It’s a different approach to trying to solve the same problem, at less cost in U.S. blood and treasure. Agree with him, or disagree with him, that’s fine, I don’t know if he’s right or if his approach would work — but I know the Republicans are a bunch of partisan liars who are trying to smear Murtha and misrepresent what he said. Bush’s policy obviously is not working; the U.S. is not in control of Iraq, can’t stop the violence against U.S. troops, and can’t determine that country’s future.
Sergeant Mac — if you can get past the rightwing bumper sticker slogans and use your God-given brain instead of clicking your heels together whenever the rightwing issues their daily dose of propaganda, I have a suggestion for you — read some history.
Read the history of World War 1, and how millions of lives were squandered through military stupidity. The oft-cited lesson of World War 2, of course, is that the wages of appeasement are a bigger war and more deaths in the end. No matter what the rightwing liars say, Democrats never advocated a policy of appeasement against Saddam. Containment and appeasement are not the same thing. We’re not appeasing North Korea, but for the last 50 years we’ve contained them, and avoided a reprise of the bloody Korean War by pursuing a policy of containment instead of invasion. Vietnam taught us, and Afghanistan taught the Russians, the futility of throwing away soldiers’ lives on unwinnable wars against determined opponents fighting on their own soil. Now we’re bogged down in an urban guerilla war we can’t possibly win. Flinging epithets like “coward” and “cut and run” at those who disagree with you is not a policy, not a military strategy, not an exit strategy — the only thing this kind of faux patriotism will accomplish is the same thing it accomplished in previous wars: The useless and vain sacrifice of more soldiers’ lives. What is Bush’s strategy? To keep battering his head against Iraqi insurgent resistance until they give up? They’ll never give up. That’s not a strategy, it’s an impasse, a quagmire, a defeat. Let’s get a policy, and try something that works, instead of just throwing away the lives of young Americans without accomplishing anything. Bush and the neocons think and behave waaaaay too much like the incompetent generals of World War 1 who presided over the slaughter in the trenches … they don’t look like wise or courageous leaders to me … they look like fools and they are way the hell out of my comfort zone.
Rabbit,
You can’t go from suicide bombers blowing up mosques, blowing up weddings, chopping off American’s heads on World Wide TV to diplomacy.
The US is going to withdraw some forces from Iraq next year. They have been saying that for months. Rumsfield is arrogant and I think he is causing some of the chaos in Congress. The Senate passed some crazy bill requiring reports on progress. Well, where have they been? I spent a few years working in a Corps TOC (tactical operations center), those military commanders in Iraq do reports, every day, probably twice a day. Those reports go up the chain of command. Why arn’t they being shared with Congress? Those Senators and Congressmen need to drop the politics and get the information. It’s out there, trust me!
Did you hear that Bush attended Church in China? I love that. Who cares about diplomacy after they screwed us with North Korea. I hope we give Taiwan and Japan the latest and greatest in missile technology too. Those commies leftist Chinese can go to hell as far as I am concerned.
By the way, Sergeant Mac, if you’ve come here with the idea of regurgitating the standard rightwing talking points and mindlessly bashing Democrats, you’d better be prepared to take a bashing yourself. This is a liberal blog, and the fact it’s uncensored and anyone can post doesn’t mean we’re nice to trolls.
@195
How about if I roll up my DD-214 into a cylinder and shove it up your ass.
goldy…..er, i mean “roger”……that’s rich. really. you as the military expert. you are one of the people that wants to tell the enemy all our military plans…..because they really aren’t “the enemy” right “roger”?…they are JUST folks, like you and me only they cut people’s heads off for disagreeing with them…i wonder what they would do to you? think about that.
and your COMFORT ZONE???? oh, good grief! too funny. WOW….i’ll bet the terrorists would be really sensitive to your ‘comfort zone’. ha ha ha…….danny pearl ring any bells for you?
i don’t usually call anyone a coward, but i will make an exception in this case. mcdermott….now there is a COWARD for you. he can’t even vote to back up his big mouth can he? and this is your hero?
too sad to even be funny.
MARILYN
I DID 30+ SO FUCKIN ASSHOLES LIKE YOU CAN BITCH.BUT THEN AGAIN THATS WHY THE LORD GAVE YOU TWO SETS OF LIPS SO YOU COULD PISS AND MOAN AT THE SAME TIME.
World War II is a perfect example of a war that had to happen. There were 4 or 5 countries who signed “peace” agreements with Hitler. He attacked them and tried to take their countries. Japan was trying to rule the world, period.
Do you know that Sadaam asked the American ambassador if America would do anything if he invaded Kuwait, and she told him she thought No, it would be okay, needless to say she lost her job.
Vietnam is another matter. A contributing factor to failing in Vietnam was President Johnson trying to run the war from the white house. Soldiers had to request permission to fire even when they were under fire.
@197
They weren’t blowing up mosques or weddings until we invaded Iraq and threw its doors open to every terrorist who wants to blow up mosques and weddings!
Gen. Eric Shinseki told Bush it would take half a million troops to pacify Iraq. That’s not what the neocons wanted to hear, so Bush sacked him, and invaded Iraq with 135,000 troops led by sycophantic generals who were willing to tell the president what he wanted to hear in order to get a promotion.
The immediate and far-reaching result of this nonsense was that the U.S. forces in Iraq were unable to spare any troops to close the borders. For over two years, Iraq’s borders were left wide open because we had no troops to cover them. So what do we have now? An insurgency, daily bombings, and a wasp’s nest of terrorist activity, much of it imported across those open borders. Military stupidity in extremis.
Anyone who listened to Kerry during the campaign ought to know that he didn’t advocate a pullout. He said the obvious: We’re stuck in Iraq. There was almost no difference between what he said he would do, and what Bush was doing. That’s hardly a “cut and run” stance. I’m sick and tired of Republican liars who tell the American public outrageous falsehoods about what Democrats said, and what Democrats believe. The Republicans fucked up this war, and have given us no reason to believe they won’t continue fucking it up, for as long as the voters let them run it.
Public opinion polls reflect the obvious — after 2 1/2 years and over 2,000 U.S. dead and 10,000+ U.S. wounded, the public is running out of patience with the military incompetence, mismanagement, and corruption of the Republican-run government. When a CEO is running a company into the ground, you fire the CEO and get a new one. That’s what should have happened and probably would have happened in Nov. 2004 but for the strenuous Republican voter suppression efforts in Ohio and Florida.
They tried the same shit here this month — apparently the Republicans themselves believe they can’t win an election unless they keep people from voting — but it backfired on them and it’s quite possible a local GOP staffer will go to jail as a result of committing perjury and falsifying government forms in an effort to take voters’ rights away.
Rabbit,
I am not bashing you and yes, I know this is a liberal blog. I read SP too. I am aggravated at the military bashing and partisan crap going on in Washington.
We have common ground, I want to hunt down all the terrorists too. They are scum of earth. There are times when you have to slug it out. Think of all of the school yard bullys. They stop when someone stands up and smacks the crap out of them.
No-one wants peace more than a soldier. The soldiers are the ones whose lives are on the line, there are many things that should have been done differently in this war. Anyone who has been in the military for any length of time, will tell you that.
@2011
“you are one of the people that wants to tell the enemy all our military plans”
I never said that, you fucking liar.
@201
“mcdermott…this is your hero?”
I never said that either, you fucking liar.
HEY ROGER IVE GOT 9 DD214 SO GO FUCK YOUR SELF IF YOU LOOK IT WILL TELL YOU WHICH PX YOU WORKED IN PROBLEY LADIES WEAR
@204
“military bashing”
What military bashing? Nobody is bashing the military. You’ve been listening too much to the rightwing liars who want you to believe that Democrats anti-military.
Let me ask you this: Which political party
1) Sent our troops to Iraq without vehicle or body armor,
2) Cut veterans benefits,
3) Tried to push soldiers wounded in Iraq out of military hospitals and into V.A. hospitals to save money,
4) So they could give tax breaks to rich people who don’t serve in the military?
They were literally shoveling cash from pickup trucks into duffel bags held open by so-called “contractors” (a.k.a. mercenaries) in Iraq, but they don’t have any money for body armor or to armor Humvees, and you SUPPORT these pricks?
The best thing we can do for our soldiers right now is to evict the current administration from power forthwith.
SoK @ 120
First of all, I’ll ignore your ad hominem closing comment (unless that’s how you sign your name, but I will not presume that to be the case–see below).
I’ll cede to you one point: presuming your “affiliations [and] views” (although not your actions), although the placing of quotation marks around the word “victims” is a fairly good marker of what at least those views might be.
I did not, however, take direct issue with your comment, but rather posed a question, which you chose not to answer. You have, however, presumed my affiliations and views, probably from my question above, in which case we’re equal, okay?
I’m not sure what to make of the rest of your comments.
SCREEEECH!!!! It’s Mrs. Rabbit!!! She’s got a broom and a dustmop and she’s COMING STRAIGHT AT ME!!! Yiiiiiik … I gotta leave …. EEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!
Roger Rabbit is temporarily unavailable. We sincerely regret any inconvenience this may cause to his loyal fans.
SHREEEEEEEK!!!!! SHE’S GOT THE FRYING PAN — agghhhhh
I don’t think Bush fired Shinseki, he retired when he was scheduled to retire. As for the plan, it was Rumsfield’s. I am “big war” advocate. I like 500,000, that’s closer to what we had in the first Gulf war. McCain says pretty much the same thing. I am tired of the borders too. My butt was on a airfield in Tirana, Albania with 5000 soldiers, and Apache helicopters, General Wesley Clark, Shinseki was the European commander, Clinton was the President, and some Senator named Lautenberg pushed through an amendment that limited us to 5000 troops. Were a lot of people worried that we didn’t have enough people to do our jobs? Yes. Did we have enough to do our jobs? iffy……
When a donks say “voter suppression” that is code for not enough illegal aliens and dead people voted. This was made clear by the non partisan American Center for Voting Rights report completed last summer. Ohio and Florida is just a myth to help the left feel better about being losers.
Rabbit,
I wrote you a long response, but it is stuck somewhere in Goldy’s filters…….
As for the body armor and vehicles. The Army has been using a flak jacket for years. They just came out with the new one several years ago. Hummers weren’t designed with armor, except for one version and there are very few of those in the military. So, the Army did just what Rumsfield said, you go to war with what you have. It’s all about the money. You should see some of the outdated equipment out there in the Army…..
re 214: When it comes to Halliburton et al there seems to be no end of money. Smgmc: You’re a disgrace to America!
yo@202: You served 30+ years? Where? In a penal institution?
Or just in an institution? I don’t think you served. I’ve been around military people all my life, and I don’t think you served in the military. If you had, you would not have been so offended by my posting the link to the enlistment form. What’s your problem? And 30+ years? Congratulations! You’re lucky to be breathing in and out.
And again at 207? What is your problem with people who have served in the military. What is it about Roger’s comments you don’t like? Again, where, when, and in which institution have you served?. Marilyn.
Excuse me, that post was meant for yo at #209. Marilyn
Rabbit,
Have you heard about concurrent receipt? It is something that veterans have been trying to get for over 30 years. Bush authorized it, in his first term. Until he authorized it, veterans who retired from the military and qualified for disability, had their military retirement checks “docked” by the same amount as their VA disability. The only thing that they received was a tax break for the disability. Now, they are getting both, although it is being phased in over 10 years.
LMAO at our proudASSHOLE…just new one of you neocon idiots would place the blame at Bill Clinton’s feet. The only decent president in the past 20 years…..what an embarassment you are to my Alma Mater……God save WSU and take proudasshole where it belongs…maybe Iraq would be a nice place for you ‘sweet cheeks’
You have to fact check everything smgmc says. If he was ever in the military it was as an information ( propaganda ) officer.
In other words, he lies………… frequently.
Cynical @ 3
Haha, that’s very good…I haven’t heard a good blonde joke in a while.
Head-in-de-ass loosy: Call Michael Moore, he liked their stock. Where in the discussion between Sgt Major Mac and Buck Private Rabbit do you come in and fuck it up?
I am not a he, I am female!
sgtmc used to call himself SMEGMA, but I forced him to change it. Remember? Puddy/PacMan/Faker?
Surprise surprise, from Cindy the hapless sheep anddeath profiteer.
Headless loosy: PacMan here from California. WTFRUBA? Everytime you post IALMAO! Do you understand the English language? Can you comprehend the written word? I am in California. Puddy left Dallas and is back in WA State, you DUMBASS racist pig shit for brains! I have no clue what SGMMAC’s previous byline was nor do I care. But I do care about jackass racist slugs like you. Why not find your hole and crawl under your pointy white hat with the hood attached with the two beady eye holes? Go outside and burn a cross on your lawn. You racist spew was repudiated by Mr. X and Dr. E. When I am in Seattle again on a Tuesday I will show up at a Liberal Drinking and purchase alcoholic beverages for both. If GBS appears, I will first stare him down and then break bread with him. But for you I’ll shit in your car dipshit! After that above rant maybe I’ll call the Seattle School District first thing Monday morning and put your sorry ass on notice!
SGMMAC: Keep up the good work.
Clueless: Yes I did say I would not return, but three individuals with whom I respect (not always for their politics) for attacking loosy and his commentary in September forced me to rethink my position. I choose to return to the political banter here because it gives me a way to vent after a long day of work and wind down before I wear out the Mrs PacMan. Don’t she look cute in her new garb?
Now Clueless regarding thinking. PFK? What you understand about David Koresh? He called himself Jesus, married many of the compound women, and had many children from them. So if that’s what you’ve decided to call Puddy, you are a sad representative for the liberal progressives here on Animal Hind Parts. You are exactly that which you claim to call Republicans. Sometimes the saying is it takes one to know one. You seem to know many of them clueless.
Puddy, yes it is sure good to be born black! Daaaaao! Mrs PacMan is my love and always likes it DEEP!
Hey PacMan, you have to ignore Head-in-de-ass Loocy. He is a worthless representation for God’s creation. It’s too bad his donk parents didn’t implement the after the fact spermicide treatment.
Oh, but wrestling season has begun…coach loony is tired from all that wrestler diddling he does.
ProudAss that was funny, diddling a wrestler. Knowing Loosy it was probably the whole team and he did the minorities twice, because that’s the only dark meat he’ll ever get near! Can you say SweetCheeks?
Puddy, sorry I was distracted by the wife. Regarding loosy, are you writing about donkoinfanticide? Maybe I’ll change my tune regarding abortions. I CAN support donkoinfanticide, as it’s the new and improved Darwinian method of human IQ elevation. Isn’t it over 6 Million served and counting so far? Why hasn’t Kerry or Gore changed their tune knowing their election loss what due to donkoinfanticide?
You’re a tad bit off PacMan… try 35,316,203 abortions from 1973 just through 1996…
…extrapolate that out though this year…49,135,586 babies whose murders were supported and encouraged by LIBERALS.
Let’s be clear, I’ve never had a previous byline. As for Lucy making me do anything, yeah right.
Lucy’s posts here don’t make sense to me and neither do the posts that Lucy makes over at Sound Politics either.
It’s galling, is it not, when someone like Murtha, who, as did I, served in Vietnam when the Democrats did, IN FACT, make us cut and run, can now espouse the identical spineless, pant-wetting, humiliating, hollow and death-dealing tactic as then? What did Murtha say about the abandonment of
the South Vietnamese?
No doubt, if we did as they loudly advocate, and Iraq returned to what they now see as “the good old days,” they would be the first to scream “Bush Lost The War!” Seems to me that they were among the first, and the most strident, to criticize George H.W. Bush for not pressing the advantage during the first Gulf War, and remove Sadaam.
Simply because Murtha, or any others of us, served in the military, does not make any of us somehow prescient or wonderfully wise about all things military. However, even the most brain-dead leftist should be able to read a one paragraph historical account of what actually happens when you “cut and run,” and come away with a vague sense of the consequences.
Then again, integrity, honesty and character are not items that can be used to describe today’s left.
SGMMAC: if we were only told the truth…
Wait, we were…but members of Bush’s cabinet — who talked about the early days of “what about Saddam” when the facts and conversation supported none of it.
Despite protestations, the lies advanced and the ultimate goal achieved.
Why couldn’t Bush have said “Saddam’s a bad guy. He dissed my dad. I want to wage war to get rid of him.”
That would have been the truth we expected from a guy whose entire campaign was about restoring “character and integrity” to the white house.
But…alas…the lies were there and he now lives with what he unnecessarily sown. So, take the heat. Bush lit the fire…
Hese is something for the progressives. A new revelation about your boy in Iraq:
“AMMAN, Jordan – Family members of Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi renounced the terrorist leader Sunday after his al-Qaida in Iraq group claimed responsibility for the Nov. 9 suicide attacks on three Amman hotels that killed 59 people.
The family of al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, reiterated their strong allegiance to Jordan’s King Abdullah II in half-page advertisements in the kingdom’s three main newspapers. Al-Zarqawi threatened to kill the king in an audiotape released Friday.
“A Jordanian doesn’t stab himself with his own spear,” said the statement by 57 members of the al-Khalayleh family, including al-Zarqawi’s brother and cousin. “We sever links with him until doomsday.”
Well, well, well. Look at this new development. When the people see scum for what it is democracy will take root.
ProudAss: 49,135,586 babies? Do you realize that’s almost 20% of today’s United States population? Damn democrats, donkoinfaticide is the prefered platform of your party. How can you on Animal Hind Parts support this type of murder? Do you realize your presidential candidates could have won in a LAND SLIDE? Someone said God does allow man to live out his dreams as he chooses. I guess I will formally change my abortion opinion. If donkoinfanticide is your choice, whom am I to impede your population control goals. Looks like the democrats are living out their dreams and ideals!!!
In Vietnam, the US fuinally left and allowed the vietnamese to determine their own future. It was not our busuness in the first place
In Iraq, we should give them their country back as well.
If some of you people think that some large number of “boots on the ground” are necessary there, then let’s replace OUR boys with local (from local countries, that is) Muslim forces. What happens THERE internally is still not our business.
I can see some justification for humatarian interventions, but this isn’t one.
ProudAss: I am watching Joe “Face Time” Biden on Fox News Sunday. You are so right.
Gee PacMan, one would think from reading you that Republicans never abort. You know that’s not true; they just do and then lie about it later.
So…. Roger… Your diatribe would lead one to believe that you DO consider Abbas to be a terrorist. That’s encouraging. Might even be hope for you yet.
I am sure that the greater Jewish community would not be pleased with you if you were to go about calling him anything less.
I don’t know. If this is a liberal blog, a progressive one, I grow concerned at the level and hatred in the rhetoric. Words mean things, and quite honestly, this is but a few steps shy of sectarian violence. If we have gone from reasoned disagreements to horrible name calling, and an utter lack of respect, where do we go from here? Vandalism? Already happening. Property attachs? Already happening. Illegal voting intimidation? Already happening. Violence against individuals? Wow!
Taking things down a notch, I have read the posts this morning and a few observations:
RVN fell nearly three years after the last of the American troops departed and all US funding was stopped. A major question among scholars is what effect the continuation of the 269 million per year would have done to keep the North at bay.
There are a number of veterans that post here. I honor and respect their service, despite some of them having been in the lesser of the branches of military. :) There may be some that claim service without basis, and I condemn them. Not everyone can serve, nor should everyone serve. It takes a special breed to step up in the volunteer military, and an even more special breed to stay on after one hitch. It takes an even more special breed to go beyond service, and engage in activities that cause one to be exposed to danger or to be among the trigger pullers. I was glad to serve with many fine people, and tried to keep others from hurting themselves or my troops. Some came from among the wealthy or powerful, most did not. I looked upon with disdain, anyone coming to my team from privilege and comfort. I questioned their motivation, virtue, and stamina. The gig was the only one I had, and I made damn sure I was good at it. I had no other choice. A Vice President’s kid on my team? A Senator’s son? They’d have to do it better, faster, smarter, and more efficiently than everyone else just to get a fair shot. Without “daddy’s” or “mommy’s” help. Looking back, forcing politicos to ship their kids off on the demand of some blogger in the Puget Sound adds nothing. You want to be granted the point of those who lead should sacrifice like we peons on a moral basis? You got it. For practical purposes though, leave those spoiled brats in their colleges, and stop endangering those on the tip of the spear because you have a qualm about their daddy.
Murtha. I don’t care what he says or doesn’t say. Hell, he said his piece against and made breaking news, McCain says to add troops on the same day, and that’s buried in section g of the paper. Hey, it’s America, and you can say what you want. I am probably more disturbed at the media, pundits, and bloggers focusing on one over the other. Fair? Balanced? Not on your damned life! If anything, we are seeing agenda promoters at all levels playing the ‘us vs them’ game at new levels. Disgusting.
Murtha is a former Marine, he probably can withstand this without curling in a fetal position and sucking his thumb, just as sgmmac has withstood withering diatribes in her time.
The Ohio reader. Hey, if you stand up and read something into the record, don’t be surprised to have those words associated with you. It’s a weasel that attempts to claim that the words aren’t one’s own, for you would be expected to read things that support your position. And what’s with the Ohio delegation? Thought Kucinich was going to suffer an infarction with his animated blathering. Wow! And don’t even get me started on Voinovich.
“Cut and Run.” I am not sure we are in that mode currently. Some call for it, sure, but no one who has seriously considered the situation desires it. Fact of life, folks, is that we broke it, we bought it. Read a very interesting piece in Foreign Affairs this month by Melvin Laird, who engineered the Vietnamization program, and who ultimately engineered the removal of the last of our fighting forces in Nam. Quite interesting reading, as it relates to what we are trying to do in Iraq. He wrote in the context of history, and the parallels of trying to take countries we have engaged in, and building up the areas necessary to provide a sustained peace after. His worry, and rightly so, is that we may be tempted to circumvent norms, and ultimately do unto Iraq what we did to Viet Nam. I encourage you to go and read the article. It’s one that will cause you to think.
Torture. Folks, when you read beyond the headlines, the debate is not about whether to torture, but defining what constitutes torture. McCain is very vocal about wanting the standards published, and others do not want potential combatants to know the lengths to which we will go. Pretty simple and important to debate, surely. Do we allow ‘enhanced interrogation techniques?’ If so, what? And how do we document it? THAT’S the debate. Snipes, flames, assertions, and attacks aren’t helpful to the central debate on this subject. Forced standing for long periods? Sleep deprivation? Fear of the unknown? Is that torture? Is that allowable? Dunno. Anyone have a thought on this? Generally, as an occaisional grunt, my involvement was to secure an area, secure potential threats and persons of interest, detain, and turn over people to people specializing in the language and intelligence for disposition. The language barrier, local customs, and the tactical situation didn’t lend themselves to any obsessing about what any individual knew or didn’t know for me.
No, merely being in the military isn’t enough to make me an expert in anything. What it did do was to instill discipline, a team mentality, exposed me to concepts and practices previously unknown to me, allowed me to learn from a multitude of people, to give me a shot at living a life beyond my hometown of Tacoma, and to be a part of things much bigger than myself as an individual. I ended up in many lands, of many customs, and experienced everything from joy to terror and despair. It gave me a world view so much larger, and allowed me the opportunity to see firsthand many things that most read about or watch on TV. I met some of the most famous people in the world, and saw some of the poorest, dead in the street. Since then, myself and my teammates have gone on to achieve some pretty high goals. One was a big part of the successful intercept of a missile Friday onboard a ship for a missile defense system. (Great job, Killer!) Another has disappeared with his current team into a ‘stan country, attempting to eliminate the threat of UBL or AQ there. (Roger, he’s 40 years old, pounding the dirt and looking to take some assholes out for you. Biggest complaint? No beer at the end of the day in ‘stan.) Yet another is heading off to a European country in a few days to investigate the methods used to foil a homegrown attack by Islamic extremists, that we can bring the lessons back and apply them here. Yeah, didn’t make us experts, but it did let us achieve great things, and continue our service to others.
And for a victim, having served his sentence in the Tacoma Public School district, being a true native and native son of the State of Washington, I haven’t done so badly for myself either.
With that, I bid you all adieu.
Wow, that’s a nice filter. An hour of posting wiped.
Pud
al-Zarqawi’s purported masterminding of all things horrific in or out of Iraq is a convenient fiction that suits all sides in the mess that is happening there. The US gets to blame their mess on “foreign fighters,” thus misleading the American public into believing that this is NOT an Iraqi war against the occupation. The current government, by blaming Zarqawi, avoids being forced to blame the largely Sunni insurgents so that they can later reach some political settlement with them (whenever the US finally gets tired of this and leaves). The insurgents think Zarqawi is a handy way for them to blow shit up while someone else is blamed, so that when they take over they won’t be held responsible for all the blown-up shit.
What a couple of Jordanians think of Zarqawi has nothing to do with what’s going down there.
To comments from Bob Woodward whom we all know is not a fan of this administration.
From Newsweek: “Though he gave testimony to the special prosecutor, Woodward refused to publicly identify his source. But he has repeatedly emphasized on talk shows and in interviews that when all the facts become known, the Plame affair will be seen as much ado about very little. In private conversations with journalists, Novak has suggested the same.
On “Larry King Live” last month, Woodward was dismissive of the special prosecutor’s investigation, suggesting that the original leak was not the result of a “smear campaign” but rather a “kind of gossip, as chatter… I don’t see an underlying crime here.””
Yeah, like most things dredged up by donkocrats, much ado over nothing!
DaddyLove, 57 of his family members speaking out amount to a “What a couple of Jordanians think of Zarqawi” in your analysis? Please don’t enter the computer field as an analyst.
Goldy, if you have the capability of reading your filtered messages, please read and consider unfiltering my last treatise.
Funny how eager the moonbats are to parade out Rep. Murtha now.
As they do this of course they work behind the scenes to expunge military recruiters in the Seattle schools, claiming that the military is guilty of homophobia and lying to young people. Their leaders on the far left tell our troops in the field that they should be “fragging” their officers in Iraq(Rep. Murtha was a Colonel in the Marines). This is how they “honor” our military and our veterans. The same group of cowards that used to spit on our slodiers and call them baby killers in the 60s and 70s now stand and try to tell us they honor a veteran and former Colonel of The Marines.
The only real hero of these same moonbats is their poster boy Rep. McDermott, who was hiding and cowering under his seat during the vote last Friday. This is their example of how a “real man” should act in a difficult situation.
When the going gets tough, run for cover and let the real men fight.
And let’s not forget another “Great Leader” of the “Get Out of Iraq Now” movement, Mancy Pelosi.
Last summer she stood side by side with Cindy Sheehan honoring her stand against the war in Iraq. And when the time came for Rep. Pelosi to take a stand?
She bitterly complains about HR resolution 571, then casts a vote against it.
At least Cindy Sheehan has the courage to stand on her convictions……….
But Jaybo: You can’t “slam” McDermott! He was a Vietnam “veteran”. Wasn’t he a rear eschelon type like Roger Rabbit?
Puddypud,
And McDermott probably exibited that same “courage” he displayed in the field last Friday by hiding under his desk……..
LOL
DaddyLove: We left and Vietnam was allowed to determine it’s future? I can’t believe you wrote that. Ask the large Vietnamese population in this area what they think about Communism! Did you forget the 1975 US Embassy video when the last helos left the compound?
And “the moonbats” go strangely quiet………………..
At least all of you are demonstrating the same “intestinal fortitude” that your democratic leaders adroitly exhibit.
DaddyLove: Yes I am stretching the abortion number. How many donkoinfantocides do you think were performed? What are the correct percentages?
70%
75%
80%
85%
or
35 Million
40 Million
45 Million
It has to be in the democrats favor.
DaddyLove: I always used lower numbers in the abortion debate. I assumed the 80/20 split. I assumed 80% of all abortions were from your side. That being said, if the number is almost 50 million, then 40 million are “infantodonkocide” as PacMan says. Do you agree with this analysis?
Mom,
Be my voice. I want this message heard. It is mine and my platoon’s to the country. A man I know lost his legs the other night. He is in another company in our batallion. I can no longer be silent after watching the sacrifices made by Iraqis and Americans everyday. Send it to a congressman if you have to. Send it to FOX news if you have to. Let this message be heard please…
My fellow Americans, I have a task for those with the courage and fortitude to take it. I have a message that needs not fall on deaf ears. A vision the blind need to see. I am not a political man nor one with great wisdom. I am just a soldier who finds himself helping rebuild a country that he helped liberate a couple years ago.
I have watched on television how the American public questions why their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters are fighting and dying in a country 9000 miles away from their own soil. Take the word of a soldier, for that is all I am, that our cause is a noble one. The reason we are here is one worth fighting for. A cause that has been the most costly and sought after cause in our small span of existence on our little planet. Bought in blood and paid for by those brave enough to give the ultimate sacrifice to obtain it. A right that is given to every man, woman, and child I believe by God. I am talking of freedom.
Freedom. One word but yet countless words could never capture it’s true meaning or power. “For those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.” I read that once and it couldn’t be more true. It’s not the average American’s fault that he or she is “blind and deaf” to the taste of freedom. Most Americans are born into their God-given right so it is all they ever know. I was once one of them. I would even dare to say that it isn’t surprising that they take for granted what they have had all their life. My experiences in the military however opened my eyes to the truth.
Ironically you will find the biggest outcries of opposition to our cause from those who have had no military experience and haven’t had to fight for freedom. I challenge all of those who are daring enough to question such a noble cause to come here for just a month and see it first hand. I have a feeling that many voices would be silenced.
I watched Cindy Sheehan sit on the President’s lawn and say that America isn’t worth dying for. Later she corrected herself and said Iraq isn’t worth dying for. She badmouthed all that her son had fought and died for. I bet he is rolling over in his grave.
Ladies and gentleman I ask you this. What if you lived in a country that wasn’t free? What if someone told you when you could have heat, electricity, and water? What if you had no sewage systems so human waste flowed into the streets? What if someone would kill you for bad-mouthing your government? What if you weren’t allowed to watch TV, connect to the internet, or have cell phones unless under extreme censorship? What if you couldn’t put shoes on your child’s feet?
You need not have a great understanding of the world but rather common sense to realize that it is our duty as HUMAN BEINGS to free the oppressed. If you lived that way would you not want someone to help you????
The Iraqis pour into the streets to wave at us and when we liberated the cities during the war they gathered in the thousands to cheer, hug and kiss us. It was what the soldiers in WW2 experienced, yet no one questioned their cause!! Saddam was no better than Hitler! He tortured and killed thousands of innocent people. We are heroes over here, yet Americans badmouth our President for having us here.
Every police station here has a dozen or more memorials for officers that were murdered trying to ensure that their people live free. These are husbands, fathers, and sons killed every day. What if it were your country? What would your choice be? Everything we fight for is worth the blood that may be shed. The media never reports the true HEROISM I witness everyday in the Iraqis. Yes, there are bad one’s here, but I assure you they are a minuscule percent. Yet they are a number big enough to cause worry in this country’s future.
I have watched brave souls give their all and lose their lives and limbs for this cause. I will no longer stand silent and let the “deaf and blind” be the only voice shouting. Stonewall Jackson once said, “All that I have, all that I am is at the service of the country.” For these brave souls who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including your son Cindy Sheehan, I will shout till I can no longer. These men and women are heroes. Their spirit lives on in their military and they will never be forgotten. They did not die in vain but rather for a cause that is larger than all of us.
My fellow countrymen and women, we are not overseas for our country alone but also another. We are here to spread democracy and freedom to those who KNOW the true taste of it because they fight for it everyday. You can see the desire in their eyes and I am honored to fight alongside them as an Infantryman in the 101st Airborne.
Freedom is not free, but yet it is everyone’s right to have. Ironic, isn’t it? That is why we are here. Though you will always have the skeptics, I know that most of our military will agree with this message. Please, at the request of this soldier spread this message to all you know. We are in Operation Iraqi Freedom and that is our goal. It is a cause that I and thousands of others stand ready to pay the ultimate sacrifice for because, Cindy Sheehan, freedom is worth dying for, no matter what country it is! And after the world is free only then can we hope to have peace.
SGT XXX and 1st Platoon
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Duty, honor, country: Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn.
Unhappily, I possess neither that eloquence of diction, that poetry of imagination, nor that brilliance of metaphor to tell you all that they mean.
The unbelievers will say they are but words, but a slogan, but a flamboyant phrase. Every pedant, every demagogue, every cynic, every hypocrite, every troublemaker, and, I am sorry to say, some others of an entirely different character, will try to downgrade them even to the extent of mockery and ridicule.
But these are some of the things they do. They build your basic character. They mold you for your future roles as the custodians of the Nation’s defense. They make you strong enough to know when you are weak, and brave enough to face yourself when you are afraid.
General Douglas MacArthur
12 May 1962
We’ve had the invasion of the the
body snatcherswingnuts here. A true invasion of pod people.Well, well we’re honored to have back the vernerable tag team from the WNF (wingnut federation): Puddy “Freep” Koresh and PacMan the fool aka the Jared Taylor cheerleading squad.
A good reminder of why we fight the wingnuts.
A good reminder of why we fight the baby murderers
Clueless,
You better e-mail Reps. Pelose and McDermott to appeal to their sense of loyalty.
It seems that they they left you standing where you are!
Wait a minute…….I forgot, they are part of the “cut and run crowd”!
I guess you’ll have to stand there by yourself.
Well well. What happened to all the anti-war Democrats? They had their chance to officially put their views on the record as being against the war. As usual, the cowards backed down. You can all be against the war, but to back down and cower when asked to put it on the record shows that the Democrats are nothing but whiny political opportunist with NO SHAME in trying to undermind troop morale in the MIDDLE OF A WAR – for political gain.
I thought they really were against the war. Trouble is they are only against it when they thinkg the polls support their position. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
Clownstein,
You are a pathetic little coward. You must stand behind censoring the words of others because your arguments are so weak. It is a typical tactic of the cowardly left. So sit back, with your pathetic peewee herma voice and say to yourself “I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!”
ASS, jaybo and MoonbatPatrol: Pod people.
Of course Clowstien would most likely say it something like this:
“I’m Good Enough F#@$!@#@ , I’m F$@#ING Smart Enough F&$^#@@!, and GODDAMN It, People ^$#%@@@# Like Me!”
What? Huh? Did you say anything worthwile Clueless?
“We’ve had the invasion of the the body snatcherswingnuts here. A true invasion of pod people.
Well, well we’re honored to have back the vernerable tag team from the WNF (wingnut federation): Puddy “Freep” Koresh and PacMan the fool aka the Jared Taylor cheerleading squad.
Comment by For the Clueless— 11/20/05 @ 10:43 am”
Karma not there today clueless? Another sucking comment by clueless. Keep it up, you are down to double digit IQ level.
Clueless, part of the moonbat 49+ Million murder gang.
Clueless, part of the daily kos is my bible gang.
Clueless, part of the I get my talking points from mooron.org gang
Clueless, part of the media matters is my truth crowd.
Clueless, part of the michael moore says it, it has to be true crowd.
Clueless, part of the cut and run crowd.
Clueless, friend of Abu Musab Zarqawi. Leave now so Zarqawi gets Iraq crowd.
Clueless, part of the no new ideas crowd.
Clueless, part of the damn Karl Rove was not the leaker sadness crowd.
Hey left wing fringe nutburger moonbats: Looks like your boy Zarqawi is feeling the heat: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S.....2FShowFull
Moonbatpatrol @ 71
“You are a pathetic little coward. You must stand behind censoring the words of others because your arguments are so weak.”
You stupid fuck moron. When has Goldy called for “Censoring the words others”?
“It is a typical tactic of the cowardly left.”
What the fuck are you talking about? Goldy’s blog: no censoring, no banning of trolls. uSP: censoring, banning of trolls. Are you being willfully ignorant, or is your problem that you have the IQ of a lump of shit?
So sit back, with your pathetic peewee herma voice and say to yourself “I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!” ”
Get some help for your anger management problem, angry boy.
PFK, part of the “if we kill enough Iraqis, the problem will be solved gang.”
PFK, part of the regnery library is my bible gang.
PFK, part of the I get my talking points through the RNC and their wingerblog lackeys gang.
PFK, part of the brent bozell is my truth gang.
PFK, part of the jared taylor says it, it has to be true crowd.
PFK, part of the shred more americans in the meat grinder crowd.
PFK, friend of the Darth Cheney, let’s invade Iran and Syria and blow more sh*t up, damn the costs crowd.
PFK, part of there’s no better idea than just more killing crowd.
PFK, part of the David Irons loser, Dino Rossi loser, George “Term Limits” Nethercutt loser, Ellen Craswell loser, John Carlson loser and Dubya Bush 30 percent dead-ender crowd.
Let’s not forget a comrade in arms with Dr. Michael Aquino.
Pod Person indeed.
I see the moonbats don’t want to debate the the “cut and run” tactics of their (so called) democratic leaders in the house.
But I guess I wouldn’t want to debate the surrender of the liberal left in the congress Friday either.
Maybe Cindy Sheehan will debate me, she seems to be the only moonbat with the courage to stand by her convictions.
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Can’t debate a pod person not that I’d get infected by your spores.
Clueless,
As usual the moonbats exhibit all the courage of a Jim McDermott.
That’s okay, as one of our great presidents once said and the democrats demonstrated last Friday; “you should either lead or get out of the way”.
Move over please clueless and let the men pass…………
let the men pass
Dubya sure ain’t one of them. According to your favorite newspaper, the Moonie Times, his inner circle has shrunk to his mommy, his wife, Condie and Karen.
Great men are usually unappreciated in their time. Great leadership is usually typified by the ability of the individual to stand by their convictions when it’s popular and when it’s not.
That’s something that your heros Rep. McDermott and Rep. Pelosi will never be accused of (what a joke they are).
McDermott and Pelosi have the spines of a slug and proved it on Friday. But you go ahead and hold their names up as your idols……LOL
Even Cindy Sheehan has more courage than they do.
Clueless: Thanks for last one: Let me clear the air: Loser John Forbes Kerry, Loser Albert R. “Willie Horton” Gore Jr., Loser Howard Yeeeeeeagh Dean, Loser Jesse Jackson, Loser Terry McAuliffe, Loser Walter F. Mondale, Plagiarizer Joseph R. Biden, Loser Michael “Rape My Wife Kitty” Dukakis, Loser Teddy Chappaquiddick Diver Kennedy. That’s just the national level.
jaybo, moonbat(cynnicalIDIOT in drag), proudAsshole, puddybutts…..all sad results of their mothers (the term mothers used very casually) not having the courage to stand up to their pimps and have an abortion
Cougar—
Is that the best you can do???
Typical LEFTIST PINHEADED CLOWN with no real sense of humor..
Go down to your local Co-op and buy some more hand lotion….then back to your closet you pervert!
Cougar: Fuck You. I had a real father, what did you have, two muthas? Your mother made a mistake and couldn’t find the coat hanger huh?
now we have “couger”???? and dj…are you working for goldy tonight? i notice you do all the answering for him all of a sudden. is this a &*%$#@% hostile take-over??? heh heh heh………
ChristmasGhost: All we need now is a douchebag named person for completeness.
roger…. and aren’t you the one always saying that liberals don’t give aid and comfort to the ememy??? hmmm?
but didn’t you say this earlier…….”So Michael – does this mean you’re in favor of more Americans dying in a losing war? If you feel that way, maybe you should be one of them.” roger rabbit.
a losing war huh? and just who is losing other than the terrorists? only a complete fool with no knowledge of history expects war to be a pleasant and bloodless exercise.
fool=liberal.
it really is a mental disorder after all.
at least cindy “the media whore” sheehan got a book deal now that she has run through the money she got from her son’s death. disgraceful.
pacman..no kidding. does goldy really think that anyone would look at his “stats” and think they were real? ANYONE?
i miss the old goldy…..the one that was a liberal nut but at least still had a sense of humor and didn’t take himself too seriously.
did you hear that Sound Politics has been nominated for inclusion in a “Deck of Bloggers”?? check it out…..
http://aarons.cc/category/meme.....gers-2005/
that should send the new goldy into a jealous rage…..heh heh heh
Good for Stefan. That news must piss off the piddly dicked ones here on Animal Hind Parts who called him Minnow, Sharansky, Little Fish, etc.
I guess being nice does pay. I also wonder if David Clownstein allowing the racist commentary hurt hurt the “goldyone”.
Watch now ChristmasGhost, some moonbat will try and nominate Goldy out of spite or Goldy will nominate himself using one of his Sybil personalities.
pacman….you and i both know that goldy will nominate himself….posing as his enforcer “dj” no doubt. i wonder what the ‘dj’ stands for???? now there’s a thinker for you……..LOL.
but in the end he can nominate till he’s blue in the face. no one….and i mean no one…has ever launched a writing/blogging career based on low-brow profanity. yes, goldy, we all know the words too. we just have the good sense not to use them all the time.
Only George Carlin should use that word. At least his cadence is perfect and his sentence use is very creative.
puddy….yup. carlin was FUNNY. something goldy has definitely been lacking lately. i guess you can’t be ‘funny’ all the time…….
profanity has it’s place. let’s face it…..”oh gosh golly gee” just doesn’t cut it when you have a 2000 lb. horse standing on your foot…..to paraphrase betty macdonald [and isn’t it sad that the only really good writer…other than frank herbert…. to ever come out of washington state is shunned by washington state because she called them as she saw them……i’ll bet most of the twirps on here have never even heard of her]
that’s about the only time i use profanity….when a 2000 lb. horse is standing on my foot.
Christmasghost @ 286
“…are you working for goldy tonight?”
“working?” No, but in what sense was you question intended?
“i notice you do all the answering for him all of a sudden. “
Really, where have I answered for Goldy in this thread?
“is this a &*%$#@% hostile take-over??? “
No…it is your %&#(^**#ed up imagination.
hey “dj” that was H-U-M-O-R.
no one would even try a hostile takeover of a losing proposition.sheesh…….
and where have you answered for goldy? [then you add…”in this thread”….there’s the little catch…typical liberal] geez..just about everywhere.
since this isn’t your blog [is it?] then isn’t it just a little inappropriate to tell other posters to get off it?
i mean..what’s it to you? he wants ‘stats’ baby…..get out of the way.
ChristmasGhost: Libbies don’t have the humor bone in their bodies. That’s why they go to the left. Some of us grow the bone later and go to the right side!
Hellooooooooo ASSes:
DJ you can skip this.
How many of you ASSes posted this shit in the blogosphere against Michelle?
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001417.htm
Doesn’t suprise me a bit. The donks say all kinds of crap to keep black voters on the plantation but deep down they are the same racists who voted against the civil rights bill in 64. What can you expect from the party of KKK Byrd.
Damn Puddy you do find the GOOD stuff! Proves that the left are the racist bastards of politics!!! Headless Loosy, how many of those crude and nasty posts are from your dingleberry of a mind?
Where’s the outrage? The same place as their brains— up their wazoo! Poor deluded , foolish RIGHTARDS.
PacMan, I continue to prove that the assholes such as clueless, rugrat602 and their ilk are the 2005 class of progressives. And just think, all clueless has is Free Republic. If there was a way for one to put their last 50 days of blogging, not one entry on my system for FR. But I bet you’d find daily media morons or daily kurse on clueless’ PC. Why? I don’t need FR but clueless needs DK and MM.
Clueless, the dumpster diver of ASSes!
Murtha,
Is there no end to Karl Rove’s list of sleeper agents?
RUFUS: Do you remember John “No Blacks in MY Campaign” Kerry or Howard “I Can’t Find a Black” Dean? When Jesse HiJack-son calls you on your “Minority Report” there must BE a problem.
Christmasghost @ 296
“and where have you answered for goldy? [then you add…”in this thread”….there’s the little catch…typical liberal] geez..just about everywhere.”
Well…I asked in this thread because you rasied the point in this thread. “Just about everywhere,” huh? Hmmmmm…I a just another poster here with no more or less “power” than anyone else. Goldy answers for himself–although he tells us that he doesn’t even read much of the comment threads. I think Goldy is into the blogging part of blogging, not the comment threads.
“since this isn’t your blog [is it?] then isn’t it just a little inappropriate to tell other posters to get off it?”
[nope…not my blog]. Inappropriate????? Are you joking? Wingnuts come on Goldy’s comment threads and accuse Goldy of lying, molesting kids, sex with animals, censoring posters and a plethora of other nasty and untrue things. It would seem there is very little that is “inappropriate” in the comment threads.
In other words, when I tell you to “SCRAM,” it is not Goldy sanctioned. But, please, please take my suggestion anyway! Please? :)
RUFUS: On another note I have two true stories about KerryTown.
1.) The Basketball Great Bill Russell said about Boston in an interview, the best thing was leaving. He now lives in the Seattle area. I know where but I will not give it away. You guys find the link if you want!
2.) Dee Brown (He recently won the ESPN Retired Basketball Player Dream Job) was the new guard high draft pick for the Celtics in 1990. He married his white college girlfriend. Dee Brown was reading his mail in his car when Wellesley, MA Police surrounded his vehicle with guns drawn and ordered him to lie face down on the sidewalk. This was done because a Black male had just robbed a retail store. It did not take long for him to let the police know that he had just moved to the area to start employment with the Boston Celtics basketball team. Unfortunately, the damage was done, and his wife witnessed this event. To clear himself he had to call Red Auerbach and then the police backed down! – Damn all dem ni@@ers look alike!
http://www.crimlaw.org/defbrief183.html – Posted because it happened again to him in Toronto later in his career!
RUFUS: Goldy has a post for you in review. It talks about the type of people whom live in KerryTown!
DJ: Cynical asked rugrat602, not Goldy, if he was in Enumclaw getting screwed by a horse! Damn that was funny!
No, Puddwhack, it’s not funny. It’s lame and stupid.
Puddybud @ 307
“Cynical asked rugrat602, not Goldy, if he was in Enumclaw getting screwed by a horse!”
Yeah…so?
Puddy “Freep” Koresh: Gotta a new name for you – TripleP
i.e. Pod Person Puddy.
or
an extremely sad person who long ago guzzled the kool-aid and inhaled the spores of Murdoch, Regnery, Conrad Black, AEI, Heritage, Commentary, Newsmax, WND, WSJ Editorial Page, Townhall (Clownball).com, Freeperland, Faux News, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Medved, Coulter and a panoply of other kooks, nuts, socio and pychopaths too numerous to mention.
He does their bidding at the drop of a hat. He is their slave.
Goldy: If it’s true that Zarqawi is dead, whom from the ASSes will represent you all at the funeral? You all claim this is an unjust war and he is just a “Freedom Fighter”, so I’m sure you representing the progressives here at ASS is being planned behind the scenes right? May I suggest DJ as your proxy representing you just in case you can’t make it. He can get to Iraq and return with some good bong smoke! You should start a thread begging donations for airfare and hotel!
Mr Poon: You need to reread the dialog between Cynical and rugrat602. I remember rugrat602 writing the person who died from being a horse bitch was a red voter. Cynical proved it was a blue voter from Seattle. With a person who chooses a name with an interesting urban dictionary definition IT IS FUNNY!
DJ, you be wrong again!
Clueless: Get out of the house. Peddle down to Starbucks and get some latees in your body. Your posts are leveling off at idiot savant! He can type but has no clue what he’s typing!
I don’t take orders from you TripleP. Loser and welsher!
Puddy: Maybe you should suggest Goldy start his begging at the next Liberally Drinking event. Instead of frosty ones he collects the $$ in a jar for his airfare and hotel.
Clueless: TripleP. Pithy nonetheless. If, on the other hand your IQ is only doubledigits; what does that say for you? Did daddy pay teachers like headless loosy to pass you in the “passing socially” high school operation so you wouldn’t become a 21 yr old high senior? Or is that a GED proudly framed in your living room? Just checking.
Nice informal poll of the Gov’s popularity at the Apple Cup saturday. She was on the Huskytron for a total of about 1 1/2 seconds before the boos caused the operator to switch back to the game. Doesn’t bode well for re-election in 2008.
Clueless: Idiot Savant Clueless, now that’s funny too. Got GED? Catchy. Slave? Going back to racist talking points again. Oh, how quaint clueless. Did headless loocy provide your one of those pointy white hats with hood and little beady eye holes? How am I a loser? I backed Dino Rossi for his challenge but I didn’t hire the lawyers. You backed all the aforementioned peeples for national office. Dems be losers!
PacMan: No, I won’t ask Goldy because he said he loves free brewskis. He probably waits all week for those free ones at Drinking Liberally!!!
The WNF champion tag team is in the ring! Let ‘er rip fellas!
Out of your collective “you know wheres”!
Too funny for words.
Clueless: If I had some the intellect of William F. Buckley, noted genius even by people on your side of the aisle, I would be extremely happy. Remember he took on Gore Vidal and applauded the Chicago Riot Police beating up the SDS and Democratic Underground students. You know donks beating up donks.
If your intelligence was measured against treadware tires, you’d be the bald one on HA.
If your intelligence was measured against great basketball shooters you’d be the Dennis Rodman of HA.
If your intelligence was measured against unselfish players you’d be the Terrell Owens of HA.
If your intelligence was measured by the vitamins provided in a flavored drink, you’d be the kool-aid of HA.
Need I continue?
And we’re bitch slapping the clueless one back to his coner.
TripleP go back to your private Regnery library and guzzle some more kool-aid, bet welsher. 319 was supposed to be by your tag team partner, the fool.
Can’t even get that right.
TripleP: Here’s an intelligence test for you.
Who did you vote for State Auditor in 11/04?
The Democrat, the Republican or the Libertarian?
ButtPuddy continualy scours the net for ‘cut and pastes’ that can support his twisted ideas. He is the only one here that has nothing to do except sit in front of his 1993 computer, wiping the pretzel crumbs off his keyboard and drinking his MD2020. Yes siree, the typical wingnut troll, looking for answers to the questions that have not been asked. Keep surfing Fox, uSP, the MoonyPress, etc, they will save you pac’s butt puddy
Cougar: Who are you really? Rugrat602? JustDumbBozo? You morphed from whom? Truth Teller? You haven’t been hunted down prowling and preying on those little kids in those foothills developments? You dropped out of JackASS 101 class because of the high degree of difficulty and you lie like Rupert Wabbet.
Computer 2004 Laptop Model – I travel for a living
Pretzels give me hives – None in my house
MD2020 – don’t consume alcohol. Drinking is unnecessary to feel good.
Let’s see, where did I go? Oh yes let me review my IE Cache: WaPo, NY Times, UK Sun Times, Al Jazeera, Sydney Morning News, Jerusalem Post, Houston Chronicle, Dallas Morning News, Seattle Times, etc. All these are left-wing sites (>80% of their staff voted moonbat in 2004, oops… for Kerry) save the Jerusalem Post.
Now how can cougar project his “love” for me. Must be due to his vists on Daily Kurse, Media Mattered, Mooron.org, Michael Halliburton Stock Owner Moore’s web site, etc. Standard lefty: If you don’t know the truth, make it up.
Clueless: Who was running for State Auditor in 2004? Tell me the list of combatants, if you dare? You’ll need to visit Google or another search engine right? You ask questions without knowing the players. You provide the choices and I’ll answer the question.
324 – Changes the subject – what a loser. One more chance, bet welsher, to prove your intelligence. Who did you vote for: the D, the R or the L?
Then and only then will I answer back with the slate which I do know by the way. That’s a 100 percent sure thing.
Well, well, well, suprise, suprise. Budget $$$$ “found” surplus just happened to be released as info. to the voting public right after supposedly the whole fucking State would have fallen down if I-912 was defeated. You guys fell for it, now go reap what you sew you morons. Maybe go use some of that extra “found” money for a whole new KC Elections Office, and to pay for the medical bills of Dean Logan after he has surgery on his fat ass from the door slamming into it on the way out. Tax spend, tax spend, seems to be the pattern of tree hugging Washington State; specifically non-thinkers in KC and Seattle. God help you all.
kr @ 326
Responsible state governments should run a surplus for rainy days. Recession just might be over the horizon.
Oh, I-912 was defeated. If I-912 had been approved by the voters the only thing that might have fallen down was the Alaskan Way Viaduct or the 520 bridge over Lake Washington along with many other long standing highway needs across the state.
Nice try. Take that back, pretty poor try. Now take your blood-pressure meds.
@327:
Nope. Just proves you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker with all the other poor misled dumb sheep. How pathetic; I sincerely hope you get some help for yourself bro.
dj @305….said “Goldy answers for himself–although he tells us that he doesn’t even read much of the comment threads. I think Goldy is into the blogging part of blogging, not the comment threads.” YOU think? that is funny on two levels……..
OHMYGOD………i am laughing so hard my sides hurt. are you serious????
goldy doesn’t even read most of the comments??? oh god…that is so telling and funny that you would say that. you don’t speak for him right? yet you just did….AGAIN.
goldy is a silly vain little man that LIVES for the comments. if the comments stopped tomorrow he would dry up and blow away.
“although he tells us…” ohmygod…..i can’t stop laughing. you are using the royal “we” now???
look how he blabbed about his “stats”. one million my ass…….
but it’s sad that he is so delusional that he would actually throw that number out when anyone reading HA would just laugh themselves silly at it.
yeah….and gregoire is the legitimate governor, right?
HA HA HA………
christmasghost @ 329
“OHMYGOD………i am laughing so hard my sides hurt. are you serious????”
Careful…you don’t want to give yourself a hernia!
“goldy doesn’t even read most of the comments??? oh god…that is so telling and funny that you would say that. you don’t speak for him right? yet you just did….AGAIN.”
Ummmmmm…I’ll let you in on a little secret, Christmasghost: Goldy has told us he doesn’t read most of the comments. And by “us,” I mean all of us, since he did so in his comment threads.
“goldy is a silly vain little man that LIVES for the comments. if the comments stopped tomorrow he would dry up and blow away.”
Huh? Now, apparently, you are a spokesperson for Goldy? LOL!
“although he tells us…” ohmygod…..i can’t stop laughing. you are using the royal “we” now???”
No…not a royal “us.” Just the common plural usage of the word.
“look how he blabbed about his “stats”.”
So? He mentioned page views; he did not mention comment stats.
“one million my ass…….”
Ummmm…you are free to check out his stats for yourself, since his sitemeter is not password protected. Or, are you trying to suggest that Goldy hacked sitemeter? I am not aware of anyone else being able to do that. (Or are you suggesting that Goldy is some kind of computer genius?)
“but it’s sad that he is so delusional that he would actually throw that number out when anyone reading HA would just laugh themselves silly at it.”
Sure…they would laugh…unless they actually visited the sitemeter (). But, don’t let facts get in the way or anything.
“yeah….and gregoire is the legitimate governor, right?
HA HA HA………”
Well, last I knew, she did have the most votes, her victory was certified, the GOP court challenge was unsuccessful, she was sworn in as governor, and she is living in the governor’s mansion. But…you know…I may have overlooked something. :-)
apropos of nothing, my birthday was last friday. Freakin’ 30 years old :o
christmasghost @ 329
Oops…sitemeter link disappeared. Here it is. 1,025,557 page views and counting.
Windie @ 331
Happy 30th birthday!
windie is 30 years old???
In about 10 years, what’s left of your drug-riddled brain MAY actually kick in.
No one on the RIGHT gives a Flying F*CK about when your birthday is asshole. You probably celebrated with your favorite non-animal based hand lotion you crazed HippyCLOWN!
dj: thank you, we watched Logans Run
cynical: Go to hell, you scummy bastard.
windie@335 sez:
“cynical: Go to hell, you scummy bastard.
Comment by windie— 11/21/05 @ 4:11 pm”
windie on a different thread sez:
“windie@177 sez:
“cynical:
Answer the question, you coward.
If you’re not trolling, what are you doing here? You’re certainly not trying to forward the discussion!
Comment by windie— 11/21/05 @ 4:11 pm”
You have driven yourself insane loser!!!
How exactly does your above comment “forward the discussion”??
you forgot about several of my posts…
but if you’re seriously asking, I’ll tell you.
I gave up on actual discussion with people like you several months ago. You’re just not interested.
And anyways, how do you expect me to respond to a post like yours above?
“Go to Hell” is light.
Windie: We never experienced a discussion with you. You went to the Darth side (insert mechanically assisted breathing here) many moons ago. Your posts are just like the rugrat602. We allow you to humor us. There was a movie called the “Wizard of Oz”. One individual, the Scarecrow, wanted a brain. Was he a distant relative?
Scarecrow: That’s the trouble. I can’t make up my mind. I haven’t got a brain, only straw.
Scarecrow: Oh, I’m a failure, because I haven’t got a brain!
Now this sucker jobbed, eh?
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13466788,00.html?f=rss
I’ll bet he is a “progressive”! Even my son is cracking up!