So Ed Murray maybe abused some children in the 1980’s? Obviously, fuck that guy if it’s true.
It’s tough to evaluate the claims and counter-claims. My first instinct is to believe people when they say they’ve been victims. And while I certainly don’t think the numbers game is really helpful (1 is enough), 3 people?
Portland.
Spokane.
Seattle.
Not a pussy-grabber among them.
Schumer got Gorsuched.
It’s tough to evaluate the claims …
The uncorroborated, decades-old story, told by a felon who seeks money for tellling it, is not actually all that “tough to evaluate,” Carl, but I’ll give you help on that if you continue to need it (and if I’m feeling generous).
Meanwhile, it’s also not “tough to evaluate” the motives of the law firm which is generously bankrolling this suit, given the firm’s owners also bankrolled the viciously anti-LGBTQ “bathroom Initiatives” which seek to perpetuate the negative and false stereotype of queer men as dangerous sexual predators.
@2 And here’s Boob gleefully bragging about Republicans filling a stolen Supreme Court seat with an anti-environment, anti-human shill for big corporations. I think Boob is a misanthrope.
This wasn’t you, was it, Boob?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vi.....ed-flight/
Air travel hits a new low when United drags a paying passenger off a flight from Chicago to Louisville to give his seat to an employee flying standby. The passenger was a doctor who had to work in a hospital the next day.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Commercial air travel is getting so bad I don’t fly anymore if I can avoid it. No more long trips for me! If I can’t get there by hopping or driving, I’ll stay home. Fuck the airlines, the fucking fuckers. They’ll get no business from me. I won’t touch their stocks, either, because any business that treats its customers like this can’t be long for the world.
Murray’s already pissed off so many of his constituents (other than his big-biz pals) that he’s guaranteed to be gone in the next election. Furthermore, if it’s wrong for priests it’s every bit as wrong for politicians.
This does bring to mind the Mike Siegel/Norm Rice business of days gone by.
Shorter Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit @ 5
“I can’t afford to fly.”
@ 3
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Tonytensor“It’s tough to evaluate the claims and counter-claims.”
Outside of a courtroom it should be tough to evaluate legal claims and counter-claims. This intersection between our legal system and our political system has grown murky in the decades since a bunch of disgruntled hillbilly litigators from Arkansas, butt hurt job seekers, and Little Rock political gadflies joined forces with the Team Bush to create a giant legal foundation dedicated to bringing politically motivated litigation against the Clinton family. It’s now a lucrative cottage industry that feeds hourly media cycles and drives ratings and page views.
Nevertheless, sincerely motivated lawyers representing legitimate clients still exist and can be difficult to distinguish from opportunists. There are clues. Lawyers who overtly seek to try their client’s case in front of cameras are a big one. Another thing to look for are public court filings characterized by lots of hyperbole and dramatic language designed to drive media speculation or favor a particular narrative. Yet another would be direct financial linkages between the clients, their lawyers, and specific political opponents. On the latter, in this case I’m not yet persuaded. One of the attorneys with the firm representing the plaintiff has made significant financial contributions to a failed initiative effort aimed at limiting trans access to public bathrooms. That’s not very direct. Nothing else really jumps out at this point.
In my view that neither lends credibility to the plaintiff’s claims, nor diminishes them. Which is as it should be. As onlookers we have to learn to let the process play out – except of course in the case of toothless, sister-fucking, hillbilly traitors. Those we must publicly burn at the stake. They were born guilty.
Spoiler alert:
Four Pinocchios.
Susan Rice’s claim that Obama got Syria to ‘verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpile’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/04/10/susan-rices-claim-that-obama-got-syria-to-verifiably-give-up-its-chemical-weapons-stockpile/?utm_term=.111315e56058
@ 9
This intersection between our legal system and our political system has grown murky in the decades since a bunch of disgruntled hillbilly litigators from Arkansas, butt hurt job seekers, and Little Rock political gadflies joined forces with the Team Bush to create a giant legal foundation dedicated to bringing politically motivated litigation against the Clinton family.
Subtract a couple of ’80s SCOTUS confirmation efforts from history and you might have a point there.
@3 I’m not prejudging the case. Finding out what happened is what discovery and trials are for. The argument against Murray’s accusers making this up: The potential for a huge libel verdict (yes, Murray is a public figure, but even public figures can recover for libel if they can prove malice). The argument against any law firm filing a frivolous lawsuit based on fabricated allegations: Potential Rule 11 sanctions and/or disbarment. Even in the mosh pit of politics, using the courts to inflict character assassination based on falsehoods can have serious consequences. So I’ll wait to see if there’s anything to this.
Q: What’s the best evidence that Murray did it?
A: Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit’s not prejudging the allegations.
5,
lucky sonofabitch. Normally the best they’ll offer you in these cases is a coupon for free travel – usually with plenty of restrictions. But thanks to pure numbnuttery, this guy’s going to get paaaaaaid! If the facts alleged are essentially true, UA will settle quietly for a fairly large sum that will dwarf what it would have cost them to bribe a few people off the flight.
Arrive early and check in early if you can. Or check in remotely and get your seat assignment as early as possible (usually just under 24 hrs.). Then relax and wait for the airlines highest offer. Often they’ll start by looking for volunteers. Then they’ll move up to offering miles or upgrades. But they can absolutely give coupons for free domestic travel good for up to one year. And they will. Hold out. And if you are lucky like this guy, call a lawyer immediately from the airport, photograph your injuries and go to the ER for treatment. Document the shit out of it. Also, I’m pretty sure your back hurts. Make sure that gets into the ER report.
11,
Yawn. Once again, not at all surprised that Врач немой ебать struggles to discern any distinction between state court civil litigation and the process of making lifetime appointments to federal appellate courts.
To Врач немой ебать it’s all just part of the same vast conspiracy that drove up his mal prac premiums over his relatively brief years of incompetence until finally forcing him into his early, bitter, and as yet unfulfilling
resentmentretirement.Trib has more on the UA flight:
“Once the flight was boarded, passengers were told four people needed to give up their seats for stand-by United employees that needed to be in Louisville for a Monday flight and the plane wouldn’t depart until they had volunteers, Bridges said. United increased the offer to $800, but no one volunteered.”
That flight was scheduled to depart at 7:42 pm Sunday night. The crew needed to be in Louisville for a Monday morning departure.
Rent a fucking van.
Or pay damages and costs.
Shorter dumbfuck @7: “I’m one of those asses who makes baseless assumptions.” You know: ASS U ME … A millionaire stock investor can’t afford to fly? Really? You have quite an imagination, doc.
@16 I suspect United is going to end up eating shit on this one. They should have learned by now that nobody can get away with anything in this age of ubiquitous cellphones with video capture capability. Even Putin knows if you fuck up in public, you become a YouTube sensation. It seems airline employees are as stupid as cops in this regard.
Tesla is now the most valuable American auto manufacturer.
Yes, they are probably overvalued but I am neither buying more TSLA or liquidating. It will need to fall a long way before I’ve only broken even. But between the Model 3 launch, solar roof diversification, powerpack and the positive PR generated from Space X It’s a solid hold. Tesla has a high cash burn rate now but coal is dead and their product lines for solar and EVs are killing it.
@9 “It’s now a lucrative cottage industry that feeds hourly media cycles and drives ratings and page views.”
And the Clintons themselves have gotten so rich during all of this that you wonder if they’re in secret cahoots with their detractors and the whole thing is a gigantic scam to separate rubes from their cash.
10,
Spoiler alert:
Four Pinocchios.
Врач немой ебать‘s claim that his Cheeto Jeebus got ‘Syria to step back just a bit’.
Difference: about $100 million debt increase in less than 20 minutes and a 2 point decline in disapproval.
Q: What’s the best evidence that Murray didn’t do it?
A: Dumbfuck “CrookedHillary” Dumbfuck touts it as true.
There’s no doubt a public backlash is developing as Trump and his lackeys stumble into deepening chaos, as shown by public opinion polls, but will this dissatisfaction translate into votes for Democratic candidates at the ballot box? Early evidence suggests “yes.”
Since Nov. 6, there have been special elections for 15 state legislative seats, and between now and November there will be 32 more, plus special elections for 5 House and 1 Senate seat. While results to date are mixed, with Republicans improving on their November 2016 margins in isolated races, the overall trend distinctly favors Democrats. This doesn’t necessarily mean a lot of voters are changing their party loyalty; this is unlikely given the increasingly tribal nature of our politics. Rather, it appears Trump is boosting Democratic turnout in what are typically low-turnout elections, i.e., he’s motivating the Democratic base, which makes perfect sense.
Couple this with demoralization of the Republican base, and the effects could prove potent in the 2018 midterms — if Trump is still around then.
http://data.huffingtonpost.com.....-elections
News media are reporting multiple gunshot victims in an elementary school classroom in San Bernardino, California. A teacher and two students have been medevaced. The shooter apparently is dead. Police are describing the incident as a murder-suicide.
Roger Rabbit Commentary: The NRA is right: Guns don’t kill people; people kill people. Guns would do fine if people didn’t have them.
More details on the United incident: According to The Daily Mail, a UK newspaper, the passenger — who claimed to be a doctor and said he had to see patients the next day — is Asian. That may explain why he was bloodied and knocked unconscious by the cops. Although he was picked for deboarding by a computer, his rough handling by the police could have a racist component. Meanwhile, United’s CEO is describing the incident as “re-accommodating” the removed passengers. Also, the plane apparently departed with some empty seats, because several disgusted passengers got off and said they’ll never fly United again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....plane.html
@25
I’m amazed the plane took off. Common decency required a plurality of passengers to stand up, refuse to sit and prepare the plane for take-off. Every tray table down.
The false equivalency machine is asking, “Why do you believe stories of abuse by priests and not Murray’s victims?”
First that presupposes that one doesn’t believe Murray’s accuser. Without any public evidence yet to believe or not believe will probably come down to your political / sexual orientation biases.
The other is obvious. In Boston as the scandal broke plenty of priests and ex-priests began to confirm what they knew to the press. The personnel files of the diocese confirmed many, many, many of the cases. Letters between the Arch Bishop and various parishes confirmed the accusations.
In Los Angeles, the presumed first American Pope Cardinal Roger Mahony couldn’t get away from the mountains of personnel files that clearly pointed to the reshuffling of suspected abusers from parish to parish rather than any actual investigation of the facts. That there was a very long report about a specific priest waiting for Mahony when he took over the Los Angles diocese which he either chose not to read or act upon didn’t help.
There is a mountain of actual evidence in one side of the this = that equation. Such evidence is not available in the other yet if ever at all.
Some people say we should try to understand Trump voters. We already do. They contend we should come to terms with them. Ours or theirs? So they’ll return to the Democratic fold, they say. But why should we want them? Crickets chirping.
http://www.dailykos.com/storie.....Have-Trump?
25,
for what this will ultimately cost the airline they could have chartered a luxury appointed G650 to fly the stand by crew to Louisville and had enough money left over to buy Nyquist when they got there.
Obviously, fuck that guy if it’s true.
Obviously, we will never know if it’s true, so what is your judgment of Mayor Ed Murray, the man who has done more for LGBTQ rights than any other single citizen in the history of Washington state?
Your response will tell the bigots paying for this suit whether or not their money is well-spent.
@ 30
…Mayor Ed Murray, the man who has done more for LGBTQ rights than any other single citizen in the history of Washington state…
Well, it is quite a coup if it turns out Murray has mainstreamed plying troubled and vulnerable children with drugs and cash so gays can have sex with them.
Murray may be to LGBTQ rights what Leland Yee is to gun control.
The former Bruce Jenner joins Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit, whose sex reassignment from “Can” to “Can’t” was recently made permanent.
Caitlyn Jenner has undergone sex reassignment surgery
http://pagesix.com/2017/04/10/.....1488811211
31,
…mainstreamed plying troubled and vulnerable children with drugs and cash…
I thought Mark Foley and Dennis Hastert did that already.
A sad day in Chicago. http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....story.html
We know the “godfather” has every resource working on this!
Although Doctor Dumbfuck would rather we speculate about Murray instead about what Republicans do to hapless farm animals, this Gooper’s in the bag.
“Alabama governor resigns after plea deal”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....li=BBnb7Kz
If Doctor Dumbfuck is offended by pedophile politicians, he might do a search of my old posts about the literally hundreds of Republicans who’ve been convicted of same*, not to mention all the Republican goatfuckers.
*By the way, WTF is up with so many Republicans wearing clown and animal costumes when they fuck innocent little kids? Perhaps Doctor Dumbfuck has some insights to share.
@4 I think the something along the lines of well played Republicans. Bravo! Would be more appropriate. Celebrate their victory, smile as you sharpen your knives, it will make them wonder what your up too.
Meanwhile Democrats need to deal with being out of power. If you ain’t got the butts in the seats in the US Senate or even the Washington State Senate you well fucked.
Meanwhile the numbers game says Republicans will add seats to their total in 2018. Not too many as well we Americans send incumbents back like 97 percent of the time. Then again maybe the Washington State Senator up for reelection might become Republican. It’s just within the realm of possibility, and folks on here should actually maybe be talking about that local and State upcoming election more, rather than the reams of ink and ones and zeroes over an Appeals Court Judge already a Federal Judge for life gets kicked up to the Supreme Court. Who knows maybe he will become a rabid liberal judge, probably not, but such things have happened before. Or the previously liberal judge becoming all so conservative. Or they are convenient labels when we think Judges are legislating from the bench. Congress can always legislate.
“I thought Mark Foley and Dennis Hastert did that already.”
Those two freaks seem almost normal compared to the Republicans who are into wearing clown and animal costumes when they rape little boys and girls.
This Republican wore a panda costume.
“Ex-Senate aide Alan Berlin gets 6 to 12 years in prison in “furry” Internet child sex case”
http://www.pennlive.com/midsta.....cused.html
He also had a cat and wolf costume in his closet. What kind of animal costumes are in your closet, Doctor?
This does bring to mind the Mike Siegel/Norm Rice business of days gone by.
Indeed it does, although the idea of this law firm getting as publicly humiliated as Seigel seems remote.
I think more of the Paula Jones lawsuit against then-President Clinton. Although the suit was ultimately dismissed for lack of merit, it gave President Clinton’s bitter and hateful enemies additional ways to attack him — which had been the entire point of their bankrolling the suit.
(Once the suit failed, Paula Jones was promptly discarded. After all, her supporters were conservatives, and she was a woman who’d already served their purposes.)
“(Once the suit failed, Paula Jones was promptly discarded. After all, her supporters were conservatives, and she was a woman who’d already served their purposes.)”
It’s the rare Republican male who’s actually into adult female humans. Only Roger Ailes readily comes to mind and, of course, even then it’s sick shit. When Republicans do stick with their own species, seldom as that is, it’s children they fuck.
Good job Carl.
I think the whole thing will be messy for the Mayor. It is possible that he will hang tight, and manage to run for Mayor. He’s going to need support though.
After all he was the biggest booster of Bertha and some of you don’t like Bertha, but in a couple of years it will be the highway, not soon enough to give the Mayor a boost.
The real problem isn’t that the Mayor may have done something with a bad boy who was selling himself. There are bad boys and girls up and down Aurora Ave today doing exactly the same things one or more of the guys suing the mayor about. Now the Mayor probably isn’t going up there, but if he is some intrepid news person will get a scoop. At least he didn’t invite them to follow him like a former Presidential candidate. The greater problem is how society views prostitution, values virginity, and just is not adult about the whole issue. Assuming the charges are true none of the alleged victims were innocent children, they were men of the world. Willingly participating in the world to satisfy their own vices, and needs. This is not the same thing as some Priest porking a teenager who is a orphan and is under their care. If the charges are true there was no abuse of power or authority. It was a young man of 26 doing something with another young man of perhaps 15. And if the alleged victims were all actually 16 or older then there is no case unless there is some abuse of authority. Yes folks the age of consent in Washington state is 16 but one has to read the statute carefully. If one is a University Professor and does it with a 21 year old student of his he or she is guilty under the statute. I doubt though a prosecutor will touch such a case, though a university might fire the professor.
So is it politics, very possible. Best thing for the Mayor is the case dies very soon. So expect some kind of motion to kill the case ass soon as his attorney’s can file the motion. Which may not be soon enough for Ed’s political future. He’s going to need support folks. What you going to do?
“If Doctor Dumbfuck is offended by pedophile…” anything…
…he’d do slightly better to once and for all stop bear-hugging the pedophile pimp @ 34.
@9 Still this is a case where politics and law intersect. I suggest a viewing of Me Brooks “Blazing Saddles” or “History of the World” maybe more helpful. While the halls of justice seek the truth, often the truth is hard to know or find. Best to laugh.
@11 Yeah that Melville Fuller was a real gas!
Clownface speaks …
“The White House on Monday insisted that President Donald Trump is still pursuing an ‘America first’ foreign policy after ordering missile strikes on a Syrian airfield …. White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters the launch of 59 Tomahawk missiles on Thursday night was a necessary measure to protect Americans. … ‘I think if you recognize the threat that our country and our people face if there is a growth of use or spread of chemical weapons of mass destruction,’ Spicer said, ‘[then] the proliferation of those, the spread to other groups, is a clear danger to our country and to our people.'”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....s&
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Uh, yeah, like Assad might mail them to us, or something, hmmm.
“The real problem isn’t that the Mayor may have done something with a bad boy…”
If the allegations are proven to be true (big if) then that is entirely the “real” problem. Well adjusted adults don’t fuck children who are incapable of consent. It hurts them. That’s why we make it a crime. And moral speculations about the child victims of sexual assault are entirely irrelevant.
If you need to have this explained to you, you probably have a mental problem.
@12 The problem for Murray is the question that is bound to appear. The one asking if he’s ever paid for sex with anyone, anywhere of either sex. That question is problematic legally if he ever has, and anyone knowledgeable of the gay community would find a denial farcical. Then again there are rock stars who have had sex with minors, but no way a prosecutor could prove it, and hard to prove even in civil court, but then presumable the victim has had a change of heart, and will acknowledge that sex occurred.
If this is purely about politics and the mayor admits paying for sex even straight sex at some time in the past, that might sink his political career. He drops out of the race and oddly the case goes away. No truth really involved, just politics, but it will only be obvious when the next Mayor takes the oath of office. Are folks out there willing to support Mayor Murray when things get a little messy such as the word getting out that he paid for sex at some time in his life? If not I understand a former President has made a nice career in painting, and is now even allowed to speak in public at Republican events.
Hmm, I see the Edmonds WA police station is temporarily closed after a woman dropped off a hand grenade she found in her late husband’s possessions. (AOL News)
Before I left Vietnam, when I had to get rid of my grenade, I took it to a local river, pulled the pin, and went fishing.
@23 Meaning it’s good to be the party who is not in the white house. Political scientists stumbled on this truth several Presidential cycles ago, though the trend has gotten stronger in the past 20 years.
@24 If this is really a murder suicide, then depriving the perpetrator of a gun would just mean they would use other means. Any economist would explain the theory to you. Or a little common sense. The damage might be more limited, guns do make mayhem easier for the unskilled in hand to hand or the weak, but a strong human with a club, sword, knife, ect can do murder, and suicide.
@36 “Meanwhile Democrats need to deal with being out of power. If you ain’t got the butts in the seats in the US Senate or even the Washington State Senate you well fucked.”
The worm always turns. With Republicans, you don’t need to do anything at all. You can count on them to fuck themselves, because they don’t know what to do with power when they’ve got it.
@47 And your Quarter Master was cross with you, unless you shared the fish with him.
@32 “Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit, whose sex reassignment from ‘Can’ to ‘Can’t’ was recently made permanent.”
Miss me already, do you?
@29 There will always be business people who believe screwing customers is the shortest distance between the top line and bottom line.
See, e.g., the bugs in the baby formula company …
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/me.....s-lawsuit/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: You can’t trust ANY business people. NONE of them have any scruples. THAT’S why we need government consumer watchdogs. As for voting a business person into the White House in the belief he’ll make your life better, that’s just plain nuts. The only pocket he’ll line is his own, at your expense.
Putin must love having his own orange clown in the White House.
“Official: Russia knew Syrian chemical attack was coming”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....li=BBnb7Kz
“Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line. U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield.”
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06.....icial.html
Of course, Trump has to be good to his master in the Kremlin. Otherwise there’d be a golden shower video in our future.
@45 I agree that a bright line is required to say who is a child and who is not. I disagree where that line is at. Teenagers are people and they have rights. When you are calling a teenager a child you are denying that human being of rights. The right of being able to choose who one has sex with is an essential right. So you trample teen agers rights by calling them children and simpletons who cannot decide for themselves this essential things for themselves. If a teenager is able to choose lovers or sell themselves to others then they should be able to choose from any prospective lovers if they are above that bright line. Societies current bright line is ridiculously high, and unrealistic. Just how many underage kids are showing up at the clinic pregnant? A large number are, and some teenagers actually practice good birth control methods and protection from STD’s and some are making better decisions in this area than many who are much older. And yes if you insist that the proper situation for children is chastity then any children found having sex for any reason should be punished and sent to juvy until they are 18 or 21 as they must be protected from themselves.
@50 What you are saying applies equally to both major political parties. Rationally neither party should want to be in the White House as that means the other party will get in charge of the true levers of power in Congress.
Clearly the proper strategy the Democrats should adopt is keep the Republican’s in the White House for ever so the Dems can dominate Congress indefinitely. Of course Trump scares the Dems in congress as he may come out Democratic any day now on twitter. Or anytime in the next four years. Or after 2020.
Not like some Democrats have voted for a big beautiful fence/wall along the Mexican border.
Go Zaaaaaagggggssssssssss
@53 The problem really is that airline regularly overbook flights. Usually this is not a problem as some people will not make the flight. The airline won’t need to move flight crew between airports. Then if it does happen they can get people to wait for the next flight. Then they bribe, but this is one of those times when statistics came back to bite the airline in the ass, and probably their employee policies. It can be hard to get a employee who wants to hold onto their job when they have been told if they make the next appropriate bribe they will be unemployed. This is management not trusting and empowering their employees, or placing employees and managers having to choose between policy and their jobs. Guess which won in this case. Very conservative choice by those employees who then called in the Airport Goon Squad to do the dirty work. Not exactly breakfast at Tiffany’t. Not that one should expect that kind of service at an airline unless one has a time machine, or a whole lotta money that would place jet setters to shame.
And an expert will tell them empowering the gate person would have resolved it, and for awhile gate personnel will be empowered, but the lesson will be forgotten as the bottom line rears it’s head, and the lesson must be relearned. Nations often go through a similar model when going to war. War especially big wars are always an inoculation to a nations politicians being able to take a nation to war.
@57 Yes. Go Zags!!!!
Oh no we are in agreement the world must be flying apart. Doesn’t seem to be though.
55,
pretty much makes you a sex offender if you’re over 18.
And if you’re over 18 and you’re fucking 15 year olds you probably have mental problems too.
Get help. Really. And please stop fucking children, okay?
@58
Good to know that in our Capitalist society the police are willing actors to protect United’s profitability and hammer down one who gets in the way.
Under normal circumstances the police would have asked, “Does he have a valid ticket? Can you show me a valid ticket for the person you want to put in that seat?”
When the answer was Yes and No that would be the end of it. One had a right to be on the plane, the other was someone United wished to be on the plane but had no greater right than the ticket holder. they should have walked and told The flight crew to go spit.
Nails that stick up will be hammered down.
Some people think we should reach out to Trump voters, and try to accommodate them. I think we should provide them with accommodations in our jails.
http://www.seattletimes.com/se.....ith-knife/
@58 The free market will resolve this problem by providing the aggrieved passenger with a tort lawyer, who in turn will re-incentivize the airline’s priorities.
@58
Translated. By politely we mean that we gave you no choice. It matters not a whit to us if you had something important to do in Louisville tomorrow you are getting off this mother fucking plane so we don’t have to pay to move our crew for their morning flight. It is proper procedure. United gambles with over booking every single day and on the rare occasion that we lose that gamble, well you know what they say, the house always wins. Profits over people.”
This guy is nuts! Nuttier than Gman!
“‘We Will Solve (North Korea) Without Them!’ Trump Warns China in New Tweets”
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141750668
@ 64
United gambles with over booking every single day and on the rare occasion that we lose that gamble, well you know what they say, the house always wins. Profits over people.”
I bought tickets to the Ms game tonite. I might get hit with a batted ball or a broken bat, or spilled on by a fan in the seat behind me.
If it rains and the roof doesn’t close, forcing a postponement, I wasted time and money on the trip and the lost evening, and I might not find it convenient to attend the make-up game, costing me the price of my tickets as well.
You pays your money, you takes your chances. Somewhere, buried in all of the legalese having to do with a ticket purchase, there’s very likely verbage protecting United, which did not directly employ the guy who dragged the passenger out of the plane.
The cost to United is in the optics of the whole thing.
I don’t get to prevent a rainout because I can prove I paid for my ticket.
Didn’t someone just mention that the cost to United would be in the optics?
United’s stock is falling 2.4% and wiping $550 million off the airline’s market cap
http://www.marketwatch.com/sto.....2017-04-11
Somehow I don’t think United’s worried about how much it’s going to cost to compensate a passenger for a bit of trouble to which that passenger significantly contributed.
UAL June 16 put with a strike price of 60 at .99, up .29.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
@66
As the bright legal minds on the TeeVees are already pointing out United’s contract says it can keep you from boarding an overbooked flight. Once they’ve let you on the plane not so much.
The bright legal minds on the TeeVees also say that United’s fine print allows them to bump people from overbooked flights. Having four of your employees need carriage without tickets is not due to overbooking.
In your example of the Mariners, a batted ball leaving the field of play is not in the Mariners control and is fully spelled out in the ticket contract. Ever read the back of it. Rain is also out of their control and their contract reads that if weather causes cancellation the ticket holder is entitled to a same price ticket at any remaining regular season game. You’re the person who if the game is called demands to be let in to buy a $9 beer and $12 burger aren’t you?
But, But, But…you have to obey the flight crew, that’s federal law. Nope, sorry. If the flight crew is issuing an illegal order (see once you’ve boarded) they are no longer acting within FAA rules. Same as if a cop tells you you must stop videotaping. You are under no obligation to obey and illegal command.
@66 “I bought tickets to the Ms game tonite. I might get hit with a batted ball or a broken bat, or spilled on by a fan in the seat behind me.”
Don’t turn around to look, it might be a rabbit.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
@realdonaldtrump Talk about United not Russia knowing about the chemical attack and me telling them about ours and the runway being fine
@realdonaldtrump United, losers. Fly Trump airlines
@realdonaldtrump United should toss all the passengers out and keep their money. Just like a construction contractor.
or words to that effect.
@66 et al.: And here’s Boob siding with the airline and saying “fuck you” to the passenger who was bloodied and knocked unconscious for not wanting to give up the seat he paid for — and for being Chinese. Next up in Boob’s liturgy: Cops can do no wrong, so fuck you if you’re unlucky enough to get the shit beat out of you by a cop, because life is nothing but a giant casino.
@68 Absolutely! Make money off that Chinese doctor’s misfortune and United’s bad behavior. After all, I’d do it myself, if you were the doctor on the getting end of that raw deal.
Btw, Doctor Dumbfuck, the videos of the incident seem to indicate that nobody explained the bumped passenger’s rights to him, as required by law, which may help explain why one of the airport cops has been suspended from his job.
I think there’s a general concern in this country among the helpless-feeling civilian population that cops aren’t just beating up bad guys anymore.
When ordinary law-abiding citizens are more afraid of cops than of criminals, do you think we might have a problem with our police?
Meanwhile, our racist and tone-deaf Leader says, “Shut up and do as you’re told!”
@69 You left out that even if a company has acted within the fine print of a legal contract that nobody ever reads, courts sometimes refuse to enforce the fine print because doing so would be contrary to the public interest and fundamentally unfair.
However, I’m pretty sure the fine print of that particular contract of carriage doesn’t include a provision that “if you don’t give up your seat when we ask you to, you agree to let us beat the shit out of you, and to hold us harmless for doing so,” or words to that effect.
Also, no matter what the contract says, nothing in it can require the flying public to choose United as their carrier when they book travel in the future.
If Doctor Dumbfuck chooses to fly on an airline that overbooks, bumps passengers, and beats unconscious those who object to giving up their seats, that’s his business.
When ordinary law-abiding citizens are more afraid of cops than of criminals…
Really, I think that’s setting the bar too low. Ordinary law-abiding citizens should not be more afraid of cops than they are of other ordinary law-abiding citizens. But polls now indicate that a majority of Americans are now more wary of police than they are of total strangers.
@60 Since when are 15 year old children?
The real problem here it’s not at all unusual for someone who is 18, 19, 20, or 21 to be in the position of having to defend themselves from accusations of statutory rape, because we won’t be rational about all this. Of course if your a rock star well all is ok as long as the victim won’t admit you and her did it. And you deny it. Ziggy Stardust you got one over on the man.
15 year olds are not children.
Oh and apparently this will all go away with the Mayor’s attorneys announcement that there is no mole. No mole!! This must now all go away!!
@78 –
“15 year olds are not children.”
they most certainly are, you sick twisted fuck.