If passed, Initiative 933 would cost taxpayers billions. Up to $9 billion to be exact. According to the state Office of Financial Management’s (OFM) fiscal impact statement:
Initiative 933 is estimated to cost state agencies $2 billion to $2.18 billion over the next six years for compensation to property owners and administration of the measure. In the same time period, the initiative is estimated to cost cities $3.8 billion to $5.3 billion, based upon number of land-use actions since 1996, and is estimated to cost counties $1.49 billion to $1.51 billion. Costs are derived from the requirement that, with specific exceptions, state agencies and local governments must pay compensation when taking actions that prohibit or restrict the use of real and certain personal property.
The OFM also found that I-933 is “more expansive than Measure 37,” the Oregon developer’s initiative that is wreaking havoc in the Beaver State. The result? Hundreds of millions of dollars in litigation costs.
This is a bad initiative, poorly written and ill-conceived. No wonder its biggest backer is New York real estate tycoon Howard Rich, while farmers, environmentalists, labor and even many local business interests are aligning against it.
C’mon Goldy….spending taxpayer money is good when it goes to the *right* people.
I’m just glad that rural land owners in Washington are finally starting to wake up and recognize what a fraud the Washington Farm Bureau is.
The word is getting out to rural property owners that I-933 will mostly burden their communities in Washington, leaving the urban counties, and particularly big cities like Seattle largely unscathed, and unaffected.
As a Seattle resident, I’m not if sure why I should care about the fate of “fly over” communities in Washington.
“I am offended by the attack on my sensibilities”
Carl Grossman
Commentby My Left Foot [……..Poor Carl, When are you not “offended” and ready to sue? Typical Democrat Jew.]
“I did not defend my husband.”
Teresa
Commentby Mrs Left Foot […………Right!!! ROTFLMAO!! Perhaps you could sue everyone who makes fun of Carl! That should keep you busy!!]
November 9 through 14. Just a reminder. I find it interesting that some here can just continually run their mouths from behind a keyboard, but ask them to stand behind their words……and suddenly the shadows swallow them up. Funny how that works.
Commentby My Left Foot [………………………………………………………………Carl, Are you ready to be my new surfing buddy? It can be a little rough in the lineup. Can you breathe salt water? Just “axing”……..[A little Ebonics there just in case you can’t understand English!]
How he Rich indeed
one should wonder and wonder and wonder
Same game different soil
September 15 was an important day for the Imperial Federal Government of the United States. It was the day that quarterly tax payments are due. This is one of four times a year when businesses have to pay their estimated taxes. And what a haul it was for the Feds…in fact, they raked in so much money, they set a record.
$85.8 billion dollars was taken in…all in one day. This is a 20% increase over last year….twenty percent! And to think some people actually think the government doesn’t have enough money. We gotta “pay off” the deficit you know. The fact that so much money flowed into the treasury at once is important for a few reasons.
One, the economy continues to go like gangbusters. We are right in the middle of an historic economic boom. Don’t let the mainstream media or the Democrats tell you otherwise…we’ve never had it so good. Add on top of that falling gas prices and we’ve got a great economic situation. In addition, the fact that tax receipts jumped 20% shows us that the Bush tax cuts are working just as they intended.
Second, the fact that so much money was confiscated by the federal government in a single 24 hour period tells us something else. The government is too big…and it’s become so large under a Republican administration and a Republican Congress. The Reagan Revolution is official dead among “conservative” politicians.
Wait! One more thing! What about those horrible Bush tax cuts? I thought the government was starving for the money it needed because the rich were getting away with murder! Well, once again we see that cutting taxes on the productive class actually leads to higher government tax revenues. That’s a lesson the left will never learn.
Yes when will some of these “brave American republicans” show their face at a Drinking Liberally event?
It’s easy to be brave when you’re having someone else do your fighting for you. George Bush knows that. It’s the republican way. If cunts like Puddybutt, Jim Queen, KlakeSuxDick and their pals were to show up in public, you can bet that you’d hear nothing but “no sir” and “yes sir” from their weak asses.
Speaking of how he Rich & friends
Here are some real dark characters to look into and keep very close track of
I-9B$
CASTLE ROCK, Colo. (AP) — A man was arrested in the gruesome dragging death of a woman after a stained and tattered photograph of him was found at the crime scene, police said Wednesday.
Jose Luis Rubi-Nava, 36, was arrested Tuesday night on suspicion of murder and jailed without bail. Investigators said they were still trying to identify the victim, who was dragged behind a vehicle with a rope, leaving a trail of blood more than a mile long.
Authorities did not immediately respond to questions about how the photograph ended up near the woman’s body, which was discovered Monday in a suburban neighborhood about 20 miles south of Denver.
The photo had been released to the public, and Sheriff Dave Weaver said tips from citizens helped lead to the arrest, but he did not elaborate.
Weaver offered no motive for the killing.
The picture shows a couple who appear to be in their 30s, with the man leaning his arm on the woman’s shoulder. Investigators did not say whether the woman in the picture was the victim.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Carl Rusnok said agents believe Rubi-Nava is an illegal immigrant from Mexico. […………..Just another illegal [Democrat-to-be] doing the felonies that Democrat welfare hacks are to lazy to do!]
Besides- most people here illegally or not Mexican, not even Hispanic- they came on visas and overstayed.
Commentby Jim King—— 9/17/06@ 7:38 pm
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Bullshit,you don’t know what you’re talking about. You have no idea how many illegal aliens are in the country or how many are Mexican or Hispanic.
Commentby americafirst—— 9/17/06@ 9:11 pm
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Jim King, got those figures yet, phoney?
Burns, Frist, Santorum Top List of Corrupt Pols
By Justin Rood – September 20, 2006, 10:56 AM
What do Sens. Conrad Burns (R-MT), Bill Frist (R-TN) and Rick Santorum (R-PA) have in common?
The three men are the most corrupt senators in Congress, according to a new list of the most corrupt lawmakers in Washington.
It’s the second year now that Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) has released its list of 20 muckiest senators and congresspeople.
Although the group names the trio as “most corrupt,” it doesn’t rank the 17 House members they finger.
The group also identified five “members to watch” — that is, folks with muck in their past that could be a harbinger of muck to come.
The list, in no particular order, is after the jump.
Here’s the list:
Members of the Senate:
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Bill Frist (R-TN)
Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Members of the House:
Alan Mollohan (D-WV)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
Ken Calvert (R-CA)
Richard Pombo (R-CA)
John Doolittle (R-CA)
Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
Tom Feeney (R-FL)
Pete Sessions (R-TX)
Katherine Harris (R-FL)
John Sweeney (R-NY)
William Jefferson (D-LA)
Charles Taylor (R-NC)
Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
Maxine Waters (D-CA)
Gary Miller (R-CA)
Curt Weldon (R-PA)
Five Members to Watch:
Chris Cannon (R-UT)
J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ)
Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
John Murtha (D-PA)
Don Sherwood (R-PA)
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001566.php
Before JCH floods this discussion with repetitive screeds about Murtha and Jefferson, I’m curious to know exactly how Muckraker.com quantifies “corruption”. Is it known campaign contributions from slimy organizations? Breath wasted bloviating in behalf of particular lobbyists? Thousands of frequent flyer miles racked up going to “conferences” on someone else’s dime? Money spent on “image enhancement”? (That last one would have to put Katherine Harris at the top of the list.)
Senate Race Summary for Sept. 20:
We’ve added 14 new Senate polls to the Election Scorecard database since last Friday, yet our overall Senate “momentum meter” continues to point in the Democratic direction. You can see the trend at the state level: Seven states currently indicate recent momentum to the Democratic candidate, while only one (New Jersey) trends toward the Republican. Remarkably, this shift has occurred over the same month in which George W. Bush’s approval rating has improved a few percentage points.
http://www.slate.com/id/2148600/
Art:
The ranking was done by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW)
They state in their press release: This encyclopedic report on corruption in the 109th Congress documents the egregious, unethical and possibly illegal activities of the most tainted members of Congress. CREW has compiled the members’ transgressions and analyzed them in light of federal laws and congressional rules.
http://www.citizensforethics.o.....p?view=156
And, if JCH is morally blind enough to ignore the sea of Rs for the very few Ds, it just proves how morally bankrupt he and the Republicans are, doesn’t it.
More like it , would be , ” BILLIONS IN LAND STOLEN FROM TAXPAYING OWNERS ” . By definition something has been taken worth billions from taxpaying landholders , with no attempt to compensate owners a penny .
What is the matter with paying for these set asides , as far as I can tell the only argument is that it costs to much to pay for what has been taken . It is not just greedy out of stateras that are being affected . You wouldn’t put up with this if the city “liberated” your bank account , just because they needed the money .
Why have a series of legislatures and governors promised then ignored the landholders since 1996 when it comes to set asides .
Theft by the masses is still theft .
spit:
It is not theft. One of the reasons the price of land has gone up is because the regulations prevent people from ruining this great state and making it into the Los Angeles Basin.
As a great conservative once noted:
“No man owns property to the exclusion of the right of the community to regulate it.”
–Teddy Roosevelt.
Wow, the President’s power continues to fade. Now he can’t even control the wingnuts in the House:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – In a rebuke of President George W. Bush, a U.S. House of Representatives panel on Wednesday rejected his plan for interrogating foreign terrorist suspects. The bill, however, will still go to the full House for consideration.
The House Judiciary Committee, in a surprise move, rejected the measure 20-17. The Republican-led panel had been widely expected to back the bill pushed by Bush while he battles with some key Republicans in the Senate for similar authority.
Bush wants the authority from Congress to allow a program of CIA interrogations and detentions that critics have said amount to torture. The White House denies the program involves torture.
http://today.reuters.com/news/.....038;rpc=22
re 7: 35% of all the money spent yearly goes, in one form or another, to the defense “industry”. If you goose the defense spending in a useless war, tax revenues seemingly increase. But it’s all without substance.
Conservatives are against public monies being used to benefit the public, but are in favor of massive amounts of public money going to the monied elite.
The average person, thanks to the egregious incompetence and criminal greed of the Bush administration is getting a good feel for how the game is actually being run on the ground.
Yep the righties are all about tax breaks for the rich and WalMart wages for the poor.
Spit,
knock yerself out dumbshit.
You really think liberal voters in Seattle and it’s suburbs should give a fuck if every single corner in hillbilly Repbulican Washington state hosts a mini-mall or a trailer park? We’ll hardly even notice.
Why should I give a rat’s ass what happens in Ferry County once county commissioners there are faced with millions in legal and administrative costs every time some “entitled” hayseed wants to convert grampa’s farm into private landfill for my garbage? Sounds absolutely perfect to me.
Why should I care if the trustifarian hippies in the Methow can’t stop Mary Ann Ottinger from converting her acerage into a dog track for the Blues Fest bikers to enjoy? I say let the traffic backup all the way to Carlton!
Meanwhile in Lovely, Liberal, King County, with billions in taxable retail sales, and billions in taxable property (even some owned by the occaisionally lucky wingnut), we can continue to regulate landuse. ‘Cause we have enough money to squash the effect of stupid, hillbilly initiatives.
Best o’ luck, and good wishes with yer “inviolate” property rights!
18 , Therefore why not share the wealth of your increased value due to my set aside , afterall , all my taxes are going up too , on land I can not utilize for whatever .
I even agree with the concept of the open space , and I’ve donated land to that use , I just want it to stop taking what you won’t pay for . There are lots of ways to compensate the landowner , it wouldn’t have to be money .
BAY MINETTE – A 32-year-old Baldwin County man, charged with raping a 5-year-old girl, said he knew he was HIV positive at the time, according to authorities.
Baldwin County sheriff’s officers said the man, tentatively identified as Julio Cesar Cruz Martinez, was arrested Friday and charged with first-degree rape, sexual abuse and sodomy. He had no valid identification and is believed to be a Mexican national who has lived in the U.S. illegally for several years, said sheriff’s Sgt. Tony Nolfe.
The 5-year-old and her mother, who are believed to be Hurricane Katrina evacuees from New Orleans, were living with Martinez in the Marlow community, Nolfe said. […..Anoter illegal [Democrat-to-be] just doing the felonies that welfare Democrats are too lazy to do! Multiply this problem by 20 million, and you have the biggest problem facing America]
Baldwin County sheriff’s officers said the man, tentatively identified as Julio Cesar Cruz Martinez, was arrested Friday and charged with first-degree rape, sexual abuse and sodomy. He had no valid identification and is believed to be a Mexican national who has lived in the U.S. illegally for several years, said sheriff’s Sgt. Tony Nolfe.
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/20/06@ 8:32 pm
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JCH; This is impossible, Julio must really be from Iceland. Just ask “Jim King.”
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Besides- most people here illegally or not Mexican, not even Hispanic- they came on visas and overstayed.
Commentby Jim King—— 9/17/06@ 7:38 pm
Goldy, you’ve said a lot of stoopid fucking shit here, but this post hasta take the prize. You’re making the fucking point why 933 should pass… the amount of “loss” is equal to the value that gummint is STEALING from the property owners. That’s why people are so pissed off.
So go ahead and keep saying this. Keep talking about how much it will “cost” and how much the “loss” will be. Help 933 pass.
Thanks… dumfuckinghorsesass…
BAY MINETTE – A 32-year-old Baldwin County man, charged with raping a 5-year-old girl, said he knew he was HIV positive at the time, according to authorities.
Baldwin County sheriff’s officers said the man, tentatively identified as Julio Cesar Cruz Martinez, was arrested Friday and charged with first-degree rape, sexual abuse and sodomy. He had no valid identification and is believed to be a Mexican national who has lived in the U.S. illegally for several years, said sheriff’s Sgt. Tony Nolfe.
The 5-year-old and her mother, who are believed to be Hurricane Katrina evacuees from New Orleans, were living with Martinez in the Marlow community, Nolfe said. […..Anoter illegal [Democrat-to-be] just doing the felonies that welfare Democrats are too lazy to do! Multiply this problem by 20 million, and you have the biggest problem facing America] ………………………………….The bottom line: Will the illegal felon be able to vote Democrat in NOV? This is the question that must be “axed”!!
I need to start a non-profit libertarian interest group, and release an annual study that declares
Jim McDermott: Most likely to have dinner with a dictator
Jay Inslee: Free thinking democrat, until Nancy Pelosi tells him how to vote
Maria Cantwell: Best in class at funneling money to former lovers/campaign managers/lobbyist
Nancy Pelosi: Second largest collector of pork, trying for first
David Goldstein: Most likely to post innuendo and rumor.
This is pretty easy! Newspapers are short on staff and print press releases as news, so this is no surprise that some left wing group has declared a bunch of people of “possibly illegal activities”.
Okay, I take back the comment about Goldy. He didn’t post the CREW press release, it was entered by a commenter. Sorry.
Yep the righties are all about tax breaks for the rich and WalMart wages for the poor. Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 9/20/06@ 5:05 pm
YOU MUST BE A RIGHTIE THEN BECAUSE YOU ARE MONUMENTALLY STUPID:
The median household income of Wal-Mart shoppers is under $40,000.
Wal-Mart, the most prodigious job-creator in the history of the private sector in this galaxy, has almost as many employees (1.3 million) as the U.S. military has uniformed personnel.
A McKinsey company study concluded that Wal-Mart accounted for 13 percent of the nation’s productivity gains in the second half of the 1990s, which probably made Wal-Mart about as important as the Federal Reserve in holding down inflation.
By lowering consumer prices, Wal-Mart costs about 50 retail jobs among competitors for every 100 jobs Wal-Mart creates.
Wal-Mart and its effects save shoppers more than $200 billion a year, dwarfing such government programs as food stamps ($28.6 billion) and the earned-income tax credit ($34.6 billion).
People who buy their groceries from Wal-Mart — it has one-fifth of the nation’s grocery business — save at least 17 percent. But because unions are strong in many grocery stores trying to compete with Wal-Mart, unions are yanking on the Democratic Party’s leash, demanding laws to force Wal-Mart to pay wages and benefits higher than those that already are high enough to attract 77 times more applicants than there were jobs at this (Evergreen Park IL) store.
More than 25,000 people applied for the 325 openings at that Evergreen Park, IL store.
True story: When John Kerry was bashing WalMart, his staff was buying office supplies there!! Classically funny!
Average WalMart worker lives below the poverty level. Not that any right wing America-hating, taliban – loving conservative cares, but that’s the fact. We kept them out of Gig Harbor. We were the first city in America to keep them out. And it felt good to beat back the republican tide. Nothing you right wing dicksuckers can do about it!
“We kept them out of Gig Harbor.”
Commentby RightEqualsStupid
[Like Chicago, a bunch of economic idiot union Democrats!]
True story: When John Kerry was bashing WalMart, his staff was buying office supplies there!! Classically funny!
re 36: Gee whiz!!! Whooda thunk it???!!! James Dobson was bashing gay marriage while buying ribbed condoms for his own ten dollar rose-stemming party in Atlanta’s gay bar scene.
True Story:
John Craig Herman claims to be a sailor because every day he ends up covered in semen. Classically Funny!
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