Good morning. Are you excited about Darryl doing Senate poll watching? I am. But I do want to note that the polls are a snapshot in time in a series of events you can shape. You, yes you, can help influence who is in the Senate next year. You can make calls. You can text bank. You can donate. You can (and hopefully will) vote. You can knock on doors.
And you can get vaccinated for goodness sake. Or get boosted with the bivalent booster if you’re eligible.
DJIA has lost nearly 2,000 points in the Biden era.
Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit’s last chance at ever becoming a millionaire has evaporated.
A classic cat food opening.
Perhaps lacking in “edge”. But always relatable and easily recognized.
Jan 6 rioter who records prove was coordinating with the White House via phone has been identified as Anton Lunyk of Brooklyn.
Has a plea deal owing to “cooperation in a separate investigation”.
Somebody shoulda used a burner.
Why are conservatives always fantasizing about the people they hate, be it financially or sexually?
While DeSantis was flying legal asylum seekers to Martha’s Vineyard, business owners in his state were struggling for workers
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A few years ago, Florida Republicans wanted a law that forced all employers to use the federal E-verify system.
This would make sure that none of the employees where undocumented.
And they almost got that law until Big Ag, Big Sugar and Big Entertainment sat them down and explained that business runs in this state on the backs of undocumented workers. So Republicans amended the law to make the E-verify check voluntary. You either use E-verify to prove your employees are undocumented or you have them sign a form stating that they can work in the US. And no-one is going to say on the form that they are here illegally, right?
There are 800,000 undocumented workers in Florida and everyone knows where to find them including DeSantis. He chose Texas cos it’s a border state and cos it wouldn’t upset his Florida donors.
So why is DeSantis doing this now? Apart from the fact that a lot of republicans hate migrants? Well now he doesn’t have to talk about the total abortion ban that he wants, or homeowners insurance, or rent prices or climate change.
FYI, the web site’s code looks like it’s breaking down. It’s been slow to respond and post. Now it’s showing multiple post listings.
Recent HA Brilliance…
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Friday Open Thread Friday, 9/23/22
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Creepy Joe has done a good job of turning the US economy into one of shortages and high prices. We’d have been better off if Trump had not been defeated with the Deep State’s significant help.
Well now I’ve been accused in a federal lawsuit of pulling funds from a charity that provides food, diapers and cribs to families simply because the director endorsed my Democrat opponent. Nothing could be further from the truth. I pulled their funding because I hate kids and no other reason.
5,
Owing to a federal court having found that the Stephen Miller, Aug 2020 final rules were in violation of the immigration act, legal asylum seekers, such as those defrauded and kidnapped by the Republican Governor of Florida may obtain authorization for employment 150 days after filing application for asylum.
For this reason it’s important to understand that there is a compelling distinction between the people that the Republican Governor of Florida defrauded and kidnapped and “undocumented” workers. People who have arrived at the United States as legal asylum seekers, presented themselves at a designated point of entry, and filed the necessary paperwork to declare their application for asylum are documented and legal residents of the United States until such time as an immigration court issues an order of removal.
These are people who have followed the law and the rules, no different from most of the 86 million people who have immigrated to the U.S. since independence, which would include most people reading these words.
@ 8
I pulled their funding because I hate kids and no other reason.
Democrat governors only hate the straight, white, male kids.
The NPR report this morning indicated that the misappropriated funds in MS were somewhere between $5-6.2 million. This certainly has libbies like QoS McHillbilly excited.
Why do libbies show so little excitement about $244 million being stolen from child nutrition programs in Minneapolis, I wonder? That money went into the pockets of Ilhan Omar’s friends.
At least the MS money stayed in an asset held by the citizens of MS.
Not even Degen is dumb enough to go along with that.
Cry more. Now.
Goody!
Even sad Degen is joining in the chorus of wounded Republican tears.
More please!
Maybe “Thanks” and Degen would be kind enough to describe for all of us in some detail about the butt hurtz that they have suffered “thanks” to Dark Brandon and “Democrat Governors”.
Can you show us using this doll?
More liberal cowardice.
DEMOCRATS
Undercover Cop Hater: New Mexico Congressional Hopeful Uses Fake Name To Trash Cops, Deletes Evidence
This is why HA doesn’t allow sock puppets. Too many liberals want to use the same racial and ethnic slurs that Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit uses, without being called out for it.
So far he hasn’t dressed up like a Cambodian immigrant in order to stab any investigative journalists to death. Not that we’ve learned, anyway.
@ 14
Maybe “Thanks” and Degen would be kind enough to describe for all of us in some detail about the butt hurtz that they have suffered “thanks” to Dark Brandon and “Democrat Governors”.
QoS McHillbilly, you had four years to describe the butt hurtz that you suffered under Trump. I don’t recall you issuing a list. In fact, you were a beneficiary of the tax cut, I presume.
I can’t help but wonder what that would look like.
They are all Trump’s judges, as Degen is so eager to point out.
And Trump constantly reminded us that the Generals “loved” him, big guys crying when they shook his hand, etc.
Trump fired his first FBI Director and replaced him with a guy who pledged loyalty to him.
DHS loved him cause he let them ride horses, whip refugees, and shoot at BLM protesters.
So what’s that leave? Coast Guard? National Park Rangers? Hatchery managers?
What the fuck kind of sad losers blame their failures on having been defeated by low energy welfare administrators toiling in a famously inefficient bureaucracy?
Trafalgar has Murray up by only 2 points over Smiley.
Bullshit.
I wonder if Goldy will weigh in and tell us about bullshit polls again.
Interesting. Oklahoma hasn’t had a Democratic Governor since 2011. The last three elections haven’t even been close. Oklahoma hasn’t been less than 60% Republican in a presidential election this century.
So what could possibly lead to a Democrat within striking distance and the Incumbent Governor under 50% in the only two polls so far? What could possibly be weighing on the minds of about half of this deep red state’s voters?
I never sobbed about the price of cat food either.
@ 20
You reserved your tears for the price of supporting #CrookedHillary.
• Gorsuch
• Kavanaugh
• Coney Barrett
Can’t say I blame you. So sad for your ilk.
the same racial and ethnic slurs that
John McSame used and lord kreepshit voted for cuz…
black guy..
Let’s not forget kreepshit’s “gateway drug”…
bonzo raygun
@18
I think I see it.
80.4% respondents white (77.5% of WA Residents) 6.8% Hispanic (13.7%) 2.6% black (4.5%) Asian 5.5% (10%) “other” 4.8% (8%)
As a representative sample of Washington’s population demographics, this is a shit poll.
19,
I’m not trusting polls.
But I’m also not trusting poll analysts and their excuses.
Over on Darryl’s Senate election thread I’ve talked a little bit about why I think polls have gotten fucked up, why they probably are not getting better, and why the typical solutions and analysis are probably missing a lot.
All polls depend upon modeling the electorate from a sample. The sampling is terrible and getting worse. The limits of modeling efficiency have probably been surpassed. The Oklahoma poll used a sample of 500 LVs collected by calling mostly landlines and a much smaller number of cell phones. Those responses were then weighted according to a relatively small proprietary list of demographic features such as age, gender, educational level, and party affil. Such surveys in recent months are obtaining a response rate of less than 6%. That is to say that almost 95% of the numbers called refuse the survey.
Now ask yourself, what kind of freak, in 2022 has a landline phone, answers it at dinner time, and agrees to sit for a 15 minute survey?
Then ask yourself how well you think that person can be modeled onto the total electorate? Modeling assumes that historical patterns associated with easily identified demographic features can be used to make the weirdos who agree to take a survey more closely represent the 95% of us who won’t. The nature of voters and the nature of surveys tells me that is no longer a reliable assumption.
10-year Treasury bonds are now at 3.9%. As real Treasury yields increase due to Bidenflation, bonds become an attractive alternative to stocks.
Which pushes Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit’s pitiful portfolio even further into the shitter.
What mainstream political party did David Duke join when it decided it couldn’t get anywhere being a Nazi or a Klansman?
It didn’t get elected to office with a “D” next to its name, did it?
This is not how voter surveys work.
Washington’s (or any state’s) population demographics is probably somewhat different from the demographics of people who actually vote in elections. So the model you are trying to match is probably a bad one to begin with. Instead of population demographics you need to come up with a model of projected midterm turnout. How you do that is going to fuck things up, probably no matter how hard you try not to. Because it requires you to predict the future at a time when the very thing you are trying to predict has suddenly become much less predictable.
Your state implemented AVR (automatic voter registration) in 2019, and limited it to DMV, state health insurance benefits, and a couple of other agency front ends. It probably doesn’t get everyone. But it gets a whole fuck ton more than before 2019. So there is absolutely no midterm election history available from which you can model the upcoming midterm turnout.
But even if you could produce a good model that accurately predicted your state’s turnout this year, you wouldn’t expect to perfectly match that with a random phone sample. You get what you get. Then you weight the responses in order to make it conform to your model.
26,
Go look up that history.
It’s very, very clear that Trump went to school on Duke’s campaigns from ’89 onward. Duke underwent plastic surgery, got dental veneers, and chemical facial peels, registered as a Republican, removed all mention of Nazis, Klan, and white supremacy from his campaign materials, and began hold rallies to whatever sized crowd he could draw.
Duke rallies were overtly patriotic encroaching on militarism, with abundant displays of U.S. flags, tons of cheap drape and bunting, garishly painted backdrops with images of soaring eagles, sunrises, more flags, and fighter jets. Rally themes were all American, and focused on stoking social grievances and resentments of his white, working class audiences. Attendance was free, but attendees had to register to attend. And to encourage attendance there was free entertainment, refreshments, and…
wait for it…
you know what’s coming…
…yes! Hats! Trucker hats!
Early on Duke would beg his guests to accept tee shirts and hats and beg them to wear them. But before long he had thousands of his hats in circulation and people were even buying them, as well as the tee shirts, buttons, bumper stickers, etc. Every Duke rally had a festival like atmosphere at which people were encouraged to tail gate, buy and sell, and trade. And the lists collected from rally registration grew over time and provided Duke with the seed corn for his later campaign funding drives.
@27
Ok.
2020 election by age group of voters:
20.7% 18-29 years old, 25.4% 30-44 years old, 32.3% 45-64 years old, 21.7% 65+ years old
poll: 39% 44 and younger, 45+ 60.9%
2020 actual turnout 46.1%, 54%
Now I know I’m just a geographic area but I can postulate what happens to a D/R ratio as you skew to an electorate that is assumed to be quite a bit older. My buddy Kansas is wondering why all these young people are turning out if they didn’t end up in the polls leading up to the vote.
@ 19
So what could possibly lead to a Democrat within striking distance and the Incumbent Governor under 50% in the only two polls so far?
• A poll that uses a combination of phone and internet surveys and doesn’t break down how many of the respondents were from each sampling source.
• A poll composed of 56% residents of Tulsa or OK City, when only 44% of the state lives in those two cities.
A bunch of plugged-in, pissed off city-dwelling Democrats might affect poll results. It would be useful to know if the internet respondent results were different from the phone respondent results. It would be useful to know if the urban respondent results were different from the rural respondent results.
I see that, in some cases, Darryl has begun to accept internet-based polls this year. I do not recall him doing that in 2020 and earlier.
FWIW, Darryl accepts Trafalgar’s methods. If it works for him, it works for me.
Denver Riggleman on his mom:
“My relationship with my mom made it through my break with her Mormon Church,” Riggleman wrote in his book. “I wasn’t sure if it could survive the Church of Trump.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3661796-riggleman-after-i-criticized-trump-my-mom-texted-me-im-sorry-you-were-ever-elected/
How fucked up is religion in general if the same impulse results in abominations like Scientology, slavish drumpf worship and the kult of Qanon?
Well trust in science, reason and critical thinking just doesn’t do it for a lot of people, most people even..
@ 29
Are WA 2020 likely voters composed of the same demographic makeup as WA 2022 likely voters?
@10 Funny to watch a greedy racist incel try to play the poor victim card for the oh so oppressed straight, white, males.
When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. It must suck to feel so scared to have those Other people be your equal, or better, when given a fair chance.
The OK governor race poll @ 19, 30
The Democrat leads roughly 55-40 in areas oversampled by 12%.
The Republican leads by nearly 2-to-1, 55-30, in areas undersampled by 12%.
This is my source for the above.
I won’t bother with the math, but it’s a mistake to consider the OK governor race as close as 3 points.
@ 31
I’m surprised, YLB, that you would bring up anything having to do with Virginia politics, given your continued inability to explain your contention that a Virginia state legislative result in 2019 should have concerned Mitch McConnell.
Wouldja look at that. DJIA is down another 300+ points.
The S&P 500 is now down 25% from its 52 week high.
We are seriously in bear market territory.
Who among us could have predicted this? It’s a mystery.
@36. Democrats will have the economy fixed in time for the Social Security Killing Republicans, to take credit for it. If the economy stays bad, the Forced Birth Republicans will continue to blame Democrats for not cleaning up their mess fast enough.
@32
I don’t know but I can tell you ACTUAL real live returned their ballots age group totals from 2020 are significantly younger than Trafalgar’s model for 2022.
Can you think of any Supreme reason why under 45s would be quite a lot less likely to vote in this midterm?
Kansas? Anything?
I’m surprised, YLB
Yours truly can surprise you?
Someone who stinks repuke and spews every always wrong wing talking point imaginable because it knows one day the IRS will come a knockin’?
Glad to be of service..
@34
You know the race has been polled only twice and the slightly earlier poll was 1%?
You saw what happened to me, right.
It’s worth contemplating if my fellow deep red states like Oklahoma aren’t Super red like they’ve been all century it’s not a great sign for those purple states. Supremely worrying even.
@ 38
Can you think of any Supreme reason why under 45s would be quite a lot less likely to vote in this midterm?
You mean, other than Trump not on the ballot this year?
That’s like asking why black voters are less enthused if Obama’s not on the ballot.
What do lord kreepshit and MTG have in common?
Well among a host of things both want to impeach Joe Biden over Hunter’s laptop.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rep-nancy-mace-theres-a-lot-of-pressure-on-gop-for-a-vote-to-impeach-biden/ar-AA12eg5P
@ 40
Contemplate this:
If you were pissed about the abortion thing and wanted to toss the GOP governor, wouldn’t you want to toss the GOP lieutenant governor as well?
So you’re saying the guy who won 55% statewide the last time he ran is polling only 55% in the deep Republican strongholds of the state? You find good news on that? Cool story bro.
@1 Oil has dropped 37% in the last 3½ months. You can stop riding the horse now. Except for sex, of course.
@3 I wonder how much time the convicted bank robber whose second offense was trying to steal the White House will get.
https://www.rawstory.com/convicted-bank-robber-pleads-guilty-to-capitol-riot-charges/
@3 I wonder how much time the convicted bank robber whose most recent offense was attempted theft of the White House will get. His inside confederate is under investigation for burglary.
https://www.rawstory.com/convicted-bank-robber-pleads-guilty-to-capitol-riot-charges/
@42
Well among a host of things both want to impeach Joe Biden over Hunter’s laptop.
Nope. Impeachment was stupid with Trump and it’s a stupid idea with Biden. If there is no real opportunity to convict, impeachment is a silly exercise. We saw that in the late 90s with Clinton and we saw it twice in the last administration.
I want to expose Hunter Biden’s corruption and to attach it, and Joe Biden’s involvement, to the Biden legacy. Forcing Biden to appoint an independent prosecutor may be the best way to accomplish that.
No impeachment. Impeachment is silly. Something an unserious twat would do, YLB. You might know something about that.
@5 “There are 800,000 undocumented workers in Florida and everyone knows where to find them including DeSantis. He chose Texas cos it’s a border state and cos it wouldn’t upset his Florida donors.”
And also cos he doesn’t want to gut his state’s workforce.
@6 I’ve noticed it’s loading slowly. I assumed Putin’s hackers are out to get HA. He has only a couple of fans here.
@8 I’d stick to that line on the witness stand, if I were you. It’s utterly believable and I don’t think anybody’s going to question it. You probably won’t even be cross-examined on it.
@11 Nobody on our side is covering up for them, or defending them. What’s your problem? We’re not “excited” enough about these thieves being caught and prosecuted?
I haven’t seen you get excited about the numerous business owners who pocketed PPP money under false pretenses and spent it on jewelry and fancy cars, so your squeaking about excitement levels seems a little hypocritical to me.
This isn’t a football game, you know.
@15 Here Degen accuses a Democratic candidate of wiping his online presence, something Republican candidates (including Tiffany Smiley) do all the time, and correctly calls it “cowardice.” Now if only he were a little less hypocritical about it.
@16 “In fact, you were a beneficiary of the tax cut, I presume.”
So was I, unintentionally on their part, I’m sure.
@18 Everybody, even you, knows Trafalgar is bullshit; so what’s the big deal?
@24 “Now ask yourself, what kind of freak, in 2022 has a landline phone, answers it at dinner time, and agrees to sit for a 15 minute survey?”
An overweight white guy who starts eating lunch immediately after breakfast, and eating dinner immediately after lunch?
@25 “10-year Treasury bonds are now at 3.9%. As real Treasury yields increase due to
BidenPowellflation, bonds become an attractive alternative to stocks.”Interest rates should be much higher. A 3.9% bond rate with inflation at 8.7% is a negative real interest rate that encourages irresponsible borrowing by hobby ranchers who “invest” in F-250s and horse trailers.
@34 I don’t believe it’s that close. Oklahoma has way more land rushers than Native Americans.
29,
You’re still making the mistake of concluding that the survey company hasn’t applied any weighting to the sample to properly reflect projected turnout.
That’s a bad mistake.
Then you are projecting 2022 midterm turnout from a 2020 presidential year turnout history. That’s probably a worse mistake.
You can go back to 2018 for your most recent midterm turnout.
But then you have to decide if AVR (implemented the following year) will have some effect on 2022 turnout. And if so how much and with what voters, etc.
Only then can you try to sniff around for some Dobbs effect on turnout not being picked up in polls and their projected turnout model.
I’m not here to postulate based on changes that you or I cherry pick. I wan’t Dobbs to matter to voters. And I think it does. Issue/preference polling seems to indicate that it does. But such polls are notoriously deceptive if they want to be. What question you ask and how you ask it can dramatically shift response. But in horse race polls previously the tried and true methods have been to project turnout and weight the response based on historical patterns. If we are accepting that those patterns are increasingly incorrect because of recent changes in the electorate, it does us no real good to project the turnout we prefer.
One of the big risks we run when we declare in advance both that the polls are wrong and that the polls are wrong for this precise reason that makes me feel good, is we miss the real reason. This pre-spin has been rampant obviously. It became a religion among Stop The Steal Republicans. They’ve now thrown away two whole years on their devotion to false beliefs with no end in sight. Democrats have been better, but far from perfect about it. And with all the structural and institutional disadvantages that we face we can’t afford to be very wrong.
We do not know what we do not know. We don’t know if conventional polls work anymore. And we don’t know precisely why either. We can speculate and suggest things that may be causing the changes that result in polls not working. But that’s still speculation. And I’m grown up enough not to be comforted by wish-casting, magical thinking, or lucky underwear when it comes to the shit that matters.
I think cell phones, AVR, and vote-by-mail are upending everyone’s ability to reliably predict election outcomes at the level of congressional districts and swing states. We can credibly argue that this poll or that poll is wrong. What we probably can’t do is say how to correct it.
And don’t look to hear anything like this from Nate Silver or Nate Cohn, or any big U poly sci center with a big financial stake in the polling industry. It’s bad for business.
@36 It’s about time. Wall Street’s been far too Pollyanish far too long.
Put a pin in that for next year when Speaker
McCarthyUnserious Twat convenes his special committee to investigate and prepare something of something.it’s a stupid idea with Biden.
cuckservative! And it was a “stupid” idea with Bill Clinton only that “tarnished” his legacy and drumpf was.. teflon… and is odds on favorite to run again and get the nom..
Something an unserious twat would do…
A slur against MTG from a seriously deranged dumbass who let a 20 something redneck fuck it in the ass while it was distracted by the redneck’s baby moma…
heh.. How “serious” indeed..
@42 I’m not sure that’s a good idea for them, because then we’ll find out who put all the incriminating shit on the laptop, which will expose their Russian contacts.
And speaking of “legacy”… Look at Ken Starr..
a “legacy” of Rape U and Eppie’s hot tub.. where is Starr now? heh.
Yet kreepshit babbles about Joe having a troubled greedee son.. chasing after the next fast buck and piece of ass.. kreepshit looks in the mirror and sees Hunter.. heh.
64 – Ken Starr died 13 days ago.
Okay okay okay okay
We NEED a social issue
Think.
That freak down in Florida messed up immigration.
We will secure our border so your kids won’t have to fear wondering that they’re buying fentanyl and are going to OD
Nailed it!
@ 5, 49
…800,000 undocumented workers in Florida…
The employed population of illegals is a little more than half that. The other half is either unemployed or otherwise is not part of the workforce, and is sucking up resources.
The reason it was newly arrived illegals in Texas is because DeSantis had a thousand new ones, per day, to choose from. Far fewer boats landing on Florida beaches than daytime crossings across the Rio Grande, people.
Even The Even Bigger Fucking Moron should be able to understand that.
And they wrote in my obits that I was corrupt as fuck and that I left Baylor in disgrace.
No one talked about my dogged pursuit of
WhitewaterThe Rose Law Firm
Vince Foster murder
A cum stained dress
Paula
Lucianne
FBI Gate
Post Office
FREEDOM AMD JUSTICE!
“Biden era” – one day the Biden era starts on Jan 6th and the other time it conveniently starts on election day. All depends on how it looks for Dumbfuck and the other Dumbfucks.
And the FuckHump era could look the same or worse and it wouldn’t matter. The FuckHump Years – Riots and Stunts and Death, and Carnage. “Good people on both sides”.
Bob, you are a loser. If you ever made it as a real doctor you wouldn’t hang out here being a lower than life bully, instigator, fraud of a human being. Your doctor aspirations were only to chase money – and you failed. You live on an Island that is a Shithole.
Florida really does love their Cubans.
Maybe worry about the Hetero Neanderthal STD that is Husban Killing Wife virus too.
Maybe worry about the STD that is Husband Killing Wife virus too.
@ 64
..where is Starr now? heh.
Only YLB looks at the end of life as some sort of a comedic victory.
Where is RBG now, YLB?
What a fucking dumb twat is our darling YLB. Had there been many more like her women would not be permitted to vote.
Heteroooooos!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXQx01T5HwM
$ 400 billion of student debt cancellation plus only 5% of income instead of 10% of income as student loan payments by debt holders comes out to about $520,000,000,000.
YLB’s kids will have to make it up.
Hope her fucked kids enjoy the free street shows put on by PhDs in Critical Dance Studies. Don’t forget to put a few coins in the hat in front of the dancers.
Heterooooos
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-man-kills-ex-wife-stepson-dispute-lights-left-house-rcna48698
Why? Why all these men killing their wives?
Heterroooos STDing it!
https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/estranged-husband-kills-wife-attacks-in-laws-with-butcher-knife/
My bad….2002. STD still thriving and very much worse in 2022!
We are probably paying to watch you street dance too.
Creating a deficit to give the riches back to the rich…..well that’s trikle down economics……more like trikle down your vagina.
Only YLB looks at the end of life as some sort of a comedic victory.
Only lord kreepshit does a stupid dance about Mary Kay getting a SS check…
a stupid dance many years ago… and when will it get its first SS check? 2024???
Heh.. high comedy and according to its own silly, inane, kreepshit babbling… the demise of lord kreepshit
will be GOOD
for my kids…
AMIRITE??? Higher comedy still…
And it’s high comedy when lord kreepshit babbles about “serious” blah blah..
and stupidly confesses that it got fucked in the ass by a 20 something redneck tenant with a baby momma…
the baby momma leaves the scene..
the redneck’s 20 something buddies move in…
the redneck puts a junker on blocks in full sight of the other klownservatic landlords..
And lord kreepshit confesses to HA HEROES that it neglected to follow its own rules about younger tenants..
i.e. it was UNSERIOUS…
why the unseriousness, kreepshit? Was it the baby momma?
heh.. high comedy indeed..
Where is RBG now, YLB?
She died honorably with her boots on, kreepshit.. Like her friend, Nino Scalia…
Rape U and Eppie’s hot tub isn’t her legacy unlike your hero Starr.
You did an ugly stupid dance at her passing and that will be your legacy.. A legacy no one will give a shit about if that’s any comfort.
Ken Starr died 13 days ago.
heh.. fuck yeah… and the horse it rode in on…
$ 400 billion of student debt cancellation plus only 5% of income instead of 10% of income as student loan payments by debt holders comes out to about $520,000,000,000.
The Manchinema IRS Agents are going after tax cheats like lord kreepshit to make up the difference..
heh.. it needs the gqp maga repukes more than ever to put the kibosh on that.. repeat their insane shit lord kreepshit…
we know why you do it..
@67 “otherwise is not part of the workforce, and is sucking up resources”
Why don’t you cut them some slack? You sucked up resources, too, for the first 30 years of your life.
What’s it take for the unlikable, incompetent Harris to visit a border?
First it has to be a secure one. Explains a lot, doesn’t it.
Last week fake Hispanic Hilaria Baldwin gave birth to a daughter.
Hilaria and Alec Baldwin welcome their seventh child
It’s rumored that husband Alec will name her “Trigger”.
Amtrak Cascades 519 is closing in on the Peace Arch crossing, after departing Pacific Central Station 30 minutes late. Slow crawl on that stretch, from the last time I took it. It’s BNSF trackage, but WSDOT doesn’t pay for track upgrades north of 49. In the intervening 2 and a half years, it should have at least still called at Stanwood, Mount Vernon, and Bellingham.
https://asm.transitdocs.com/train/2022/9/26/A/519
I wasn’t fleeing the process server I was avoiding the legal process.
@73 “Only YLB looks at the end of life as some sort of a comedic victory. Where is RBG now, YLB?”
Ahem.
@75 Roll back the billionaire tax cuts and take it out of that. The billionaires got a lot more than that.
@78 Doc is a failed gay bar pole dancer, and he’s jealous.
@88 Herrera could’ve served his wife when she answered the door. In actuality, he left the documents on the ground next to the truck as the Paxtons fled, and that’s probably valid service. It would be in this state. There’s no requirement for the defendant (or in this case, witness, as Paxton was being served a subpoena) to accept the documents in order for service to be valid.
Now that Edward Snowden is a Russian citizen, I wonder if he’ll be conscripted to fight in Ukraine? He’s draft age. (Under age 75.)
93)Probably would be tge Russian equivalent of 11B. Would be ironic. Probably some former NSA people have volunteered to assist Ukraine.
“When he dresses like that, he’s kicking authority in the balls.”
Your suit is not at least Brioni off the rack. You cannot be taken seriously. Get a pocket square that matches your tie. The clothes literally make the man. Look at me. This is a ‘Super 170s’ cream wool from grass fed sheep of Liguria from the Bespoke house of Campagna in Milan. Shoes, Ferragamo. I look great.
I am totally ready to fight for you in the Lehigh Valley. I am one of you.
At least half of all wrongfully convicted, innocent people in the U.S. are Black:
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race Report Preview.pdf
Black people are thirteen percent of U.S. population.
An innocent Black American is seven times more likely to be wrongfully convicted of a serious crime than a white person.
Not only is racism in America still very real. Racism in America persists most aggressively in the ways that are most injurious to families and communities.
Noticing an obvious racial pattern in statistics like these is not racism.
Ignoring it and remaining silent about it is.
If the shoe fits, wear it!
Hi. I’m a terrible attorney with a long history of dumb filings but even I wouldn’t file for a plaintiff who is claiming standing because a student loan forgiveness program has tax implications and my client will be irreparably harmed financially by a lower overall payment.
For a program that is available by application and my client is not required to participate.
See that’s why when people were saying, “If it’s paying back the loan and you have the loan data why do I need to apply?’ It’s literally so when litigants claim standing at the very first filing the Government respond, “ If the plaintiff believes they will be harmed by this program and plaintiff has every right to decline to participate and has no standing.”
I mean I’m sure you can Judge shop this to get an initial ruling but this is just stupid.
I see that my senile, imbecilic, incompetent president is now back to blaming the gas station owners for inflation.
What a useless fuck is First Vegetable Joe Biden.
@ 96
Noticing an obvious racial pattern in statistics like these is not racism.
And it’s not racism if the same percentages apply to people of each skin color rightfully convicted of a serious crime.
In fact, if the justice system gets it right on seven times as many black defendants and wrong on seven times as many black defendants, it’s statistical evidence that there isn’t racism in the justice system.
A failure rate evenly distributed over the incarcerated population is not racism, it is colorblindness.
Eagles fan Goldy is so much better than Eagles fan David Goldstein.
Wouldja look at that. DJIA is about to break below 29,000.
Kind of a shitty time for G-clown to have two mortgages, doncha think? I mean, with his AIDS encephalopathy flaring up an’ all. Drug costs are goin’ through the roof!
Legal Eagle @ 96 fucked up the link in his spew.
This is correct.
Just imagine it.
You’re a decent, hard working citizen in your community and in your family. You stay out of trouble and try to be responsible and live a good life.
Then one day you are violently arrested, imprisoned, and accused by the government of terrible crimes you don’t know anything at all about. You try your best to protect yourself from what must surely seem to be a machine of criminal justice gone out of control. You don’t talk to the police, because you know that anything you say will be used against you. They told you so. Or maybe you do talk to the police, thinking foolishly that you can talk your way out of it. It hardly seems to matter at all either way.
You wait days, at arraignment you see your assigned council for the first time, briefly exchange introductions, then you are led into court in a jail jumpsuit in handcuffs. The judge says some shit. The lawyers say some shit. And then it’s back to jail. Months go by. You lose your job. Your car is repossessed. Your family can’t make rent and they have to move in with parents or other relatives. You do your best to fit in to the day-to-day routine of jail. The complete lack of privacy is jarring and disorienting. The impersonal and detached indifference of the jail staff is frightening. You don’t have anyone to talk to or to trust. You have no idea why you are there or when you’ll find out.
Then your lawyer appears one day unannounced after a couple of months and tells you that they have been meeting with the government lawyers and that they’ve negotiated a “good” agreement for you. They tell you that if you plead guilty to just two felonies you can qualify for release in under three years. They tell you that the government has witnesses and physical evidence that tie you to the crimes. You mention that you have an alibi. Maybe it’s the alibi you told the police about. The one you thought would clear everything up. The one they didn’t seem to pay any attention to. Then your lawyer tells you that alibis are not worth very much. They tell you that the government will discredit your alibi and that the jury will probably be persuaded.
What the don’t tell you is that, as a public defender in your state they have twenty five other clients just like you assigned to them right now. They don’t tell you that their case load results in them working sixty hours a week even without ever going to trial. They don’t tell you that if they take your case to trial that for the duration of your trial all of their other clients will have to be reassigned to other attorneys in their office who are just as overworked as they are. They don’t tell you that the managing attorney for your office will be furious with them for doing that. They don’t tell you that after ten years of criminal defense practice they are paid just barely more than a new graduate of law school.
Instead they tell you that it’s your decision to make. And they tell you that if you decide not to take the deal they will do their best to provide you with a good criminal defense at trial, but that there are no guarantees. They tell you that the plea agreement is a guarantee.
In our system, for good or for ill, once police have decided to accuse you of a crime, unless you have a lot of money for good attorneys, you’re fucked. You are inside of a machine that is designed to coerce you into a guilty plea. For most people who find themselves in this situation it’s because they have fucked around with crime. They hid the gun, or they drove the drugs to Nevada, or they got blasted on tequila and got into their pickup and killed someone.
But if you are Black then you are seven times more likely to find yourself in this situation simply because you are Black.
Because that’s what police do sometimes.
103,
Fuck off Grandpa Troll.
Wordpress did that.
Near any middle school half-wit knows they can simply highlight and right click.
Degen probably needs help wiping too.
@102
Wouldja look at that. We don’t care.
A failure rate evenly distributed over the incarcerated population is not racism, it is colorblindness.
@96 comments on a study of reality..
@100 is a troll in fantasy land… zzzzZZZzzzZzzzz
Shocking news everybody!
The “failure rate” is not evenly distributed.
The system fails seven times more often when the accused is Black.
Do we apply the criminal justice system of police investigations, state prosecutors, and courts to “the incarcerated population”?
Nope.
That’s the wrong end of the process. “The incarcerated population” is the product of the system. The population we apply that system to is all of us. Which is the sort of thing that is blindingly obvious to you and to me and to anyone else who is not crippled by racism.
107,
His choice of focus on “the incarcerated population” is a strong tell, obviously.
But it’s the common mental gymnastics employed by racists nearly every single day to explain to themselves why they are “right” to be biased against “those people”.
And I’m not sure there is any fix. Even now as Degen reads these comments he’s struggling to figure out the “logical/rhetorical trap” here. He won’t see it because he’s built it around himself by himself. He’s going to fight hard to figure out why blaming those targeted by his racism is justified by his shooting score.
@ 104
Then one day you are violently arrested, imprisoned, and accused by the government of terrible crimes you don’t know anything at all about. You try your best to protect yourself from what must surely seem to be a machine of criminal justice gone out of control.
Aww, wouldja look at that! QoS McHillbilly is beginning to side with the J6 protesters.
It’s like “parading” isn’t really a crime or some shit, isn’t it?
The one real attorney Trump had on retainer in his MAL stolen defense secrets case has now exited the case:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/chris-kise-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html
With a $3 million retainer paid for by hapless dupes like Degen, and dating from Cannon’s initial order until her revised order of five days ago, the result was a seventeen day delay for DOJ in further investigating the stolen documents.
That works out to a day rate of over $175,000.
Did I mention that Republicans want you to trust them with government finances?
104 Don’t even try to lie about that. This is not driving through a neighborhood while black. those traitors were trying to overthrow the democratically elected government because they didn’t like the fact that they lost. Not the same thing and even you know that.
But that won’t stop you from trying to play the poor victim.
@99
Someone isn’t looking at those balance sheets.
In a classic economic model one looks at raw materials inputs, delivery and supply/demand.
Demand has entered it’s half century long, regular, post-summer drop. Worldwide supply remains high.
On the inputs side of things you have a precipitous drop in the price of worldwide Oil over the past several months causing a 38% drop in refined gasoline price since May of this year. Diesel fuel required to deliver said refined gasoline is also declining in price.
So…demand is down, raw materials are down, delivery costs are down yet retail pump prices have started to rise again for some reason.
Now go back to profit and loss statements. Occam’s razor insists that if all the traditional costs associated with the pump price of Gasoline are dropping the most likely explanation of an increase in price is profit taking by the suppliers. And the balance sheets bear witness to that fact.
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@113 Sobbing voice: “Won’t someone think of the shareholders?”
Below 29,000!
Biggest loser: Two-mortgage G-clown.
Newly unredacted inventory from the Trump stolen defense secrets search warrant shows reasonably strong circumstantial evidence that Trump knowingly made materially false statements to FBI intended to obstruct:
https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/42/618763/051125111467.pdf
70 items bearing official U.S. government classification markings recovered from Trump’s personal office in a state suggesting that they had been actively reviewed by the user of the office prior to the search.
Rolling into October and trying to come up with a Halloween outfit that will trigger the most GOP snowflakes and I think it’s going to be Black Mermaid eating Curry flavored Scooby Snacks and actually reading a bible.
Maybe I can work in ordering Plan-B online somehow.
@112. Edit timed out before it would take.
I didn’t mean 104, I meant to type 110, where the greedy racist incel tried and failed to imply the domestic terrorists at the capitol were innocent victims, equating them to people of color and LGBTQ+.
“Honestly officer, I was trying to over throw the government because my side lost. When is that a crime? It’s not like I’m black and making a left hand turn or sleeping in my bed.”
@111
Kise probably had a look underneath the hood of all of the data and realized Trump was going to ask him to lie in front of a judge. Even Kise realizes that is a fucking stupid way to go and it would be Kise that pays the real cost in doing so.
Multiple questions to the FEMA administrator this morning, including from CNN, pertaining to why First Vegetable Joe Biden won’t call DeSantis about the upcoming hurricane, in the way that he has called other governors about storms hitting their states.
The answer is simple. DeSantis will tell the world just how incoherent Biden is, and there will be others in the room to hear it and back him up.
My president is senile, imbecilic, and incompetent. During the rare occasions when he regains some cognition he’s also corrupt.
And two Democrats from the nation’s Senate.
WEALTH
Stock market losses wipe out $9 trillion from Americans’ wealth
The Innocence Project wants you to know that three of the youths in this video committed no crimes.
caught on video
Video captures juveniles ransacking Wawa in Philadelphia
Police say officers arrived on the scene and observed roughly 100 juveniles causing damage to the store.
@116
Like the first time you lay with a woman…best 8 seconds of your life?
@121. That’s got to be a made up story. Is DeSantis really whining that President Biden is not being nicer to him? Should President Biden throw him some paper towels?
Florida Contracts Go to Companies That Flooded Ron DeSantis Campaign Fund
https://theintercept.com/2022/09/27/florida-ron-desantis-campaign-fund/
“Yet when we in the North question why we need give Florida FEMA funds when we know they will only go to enrich the friends of a wannabe dictator, we are the assholes.
DeSantis bragged how much COVID-19 money they stole. They can use that first then maybe we can talk after New York and Massachusetts receive official apologies from everyone who voted against aid after Superstorm Sandy.”
When another reporter pointed out that President Biden never spoke with Mississippi GOP Gov. Tate Reeves during the height of Jackson’s water crisis, Jean-Pierre said the administration showed up for Mississippians, even without a Biden call to Reeves.
IMHO, the administration will show up for Floridians, even without a Biden call to desantis.
P.S. Did desantis try to call President Biden?
@123 Lying as usual.
Where are the links saying the Innocence Project said that? Just in his fantasies.
@ 125
“Yet when we in the North question why we need give Florida FEMA funds when we know they will only go to enrich the friends of a wannabe dictator, we are the assholes.
So, perhaps I should question why we need to give New Jersey $300 million to buy beach houses or $806 million to Hurricane Ida victims, knowing the money will be used to enrich the friends of blue state Democrats.
The Even Bigger Fucking Moron is whining about contracts awarded pursuant to a competitive bidding process, as was stated in the piece linked to in his spew.
@128. So, your argument is that because any FEMA money is going to help any Democrat, all republican corruption is fine in Florida. Got it. You would fit in great in Florida.
@ 127
Just wait until The Even Bigger Fucking Moron finds out that @ 113 wasn’t really written by Adam Smith and teleported here from the 18th century.
@121
Multiple questions from us here at Fox News and Newsmax about how the FEMA disaster program works which by now, really we can’t be expected to know squat about this agency.
Like without a formal request from a Governor, why is it that the law says there can’t be federal funds? Why doesn’t the President assume a Governor isn’t busy and just make the call? Why is the entire FEMA system set up that the call needs to be made FROM the governor and not TO the governor? If a WaffleHouse in Atlanta is serving Smothered and Covered how long does it take to redirect a hurricane with a Sharpee?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Shit…freudian slip
“Fair and Balanced”
@121 “My president is senile, imbecilic, and incompetent. During the rare occasions when he regains some cognition he’s also corrupt.”
Seems like you are really talking about Trump. Project much?
A few bad apples?
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/09/26/47-alameda-county-sheriffs-deputies-removed-from-active-duty-after-poor-psychological-exams/
47 seems like more than a few. 47 seems like a lot.
Let’s test support for this idea, shall we?
Open to anyone: What if any evidence, either real or implied, can you point to that would exonerate Mr. Kelly for the crimes he’s been sentenced to prison for having committed?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-fan-assaulted-officer-fanone-jan-6-sentenced-7-years-prison-rcna49448
The premise offered by the sad incel troll is that Mr. Kelly has either been wrongfully convicted, or that he’s been coerced into confessing to a crime he did not commit, or that the things Mr. Kelly did that day do not meet the requirements in the statute.
I won’t recap what Mr. Kelly was accused of. We should all be very familiar with what went on with him in particular. And if you are not then I invite you to “do your own research” as the kids like to say. Mr. Kelly enjoys a starring role in the organized terror attack on the joint session of Congress. So every American alive in these times ought to know about his case, what he did, and why it matters.
As I say, even if all anyone can offer by way of exoneration is speculation, let’s hear it. Any takers?
“Won’t someone think of the shareholders?”
Corporations are people, my friend!
Well I never expected the Special Master to be so efficient so without a request from either party I just decided to revise my order that he should have authority to publish interim reports and said no there won’t be any reports. It would just be better for everyone if maybe this report was full and complete and after the midterm, I mean the holiday, it can just be done all at once. I am an excellent judge. I’m a good judge. There is no reason to question my impartiality in making an already totally solid and legally sound win for The former president, wait…no….for the safekeeping of presidential authority an even more solid win by delaying the findings. It’s like declassification. I just thought it and even though neither party asked me to just my thoughts were enough to revise the order.
127,
Degen is still scrambling mentally to figure out some way to maneuver around his shockingly obvious racist rant @100.
He can’t even keep the players straight.
The linked report showing the alarming yet irrefutable racial disparity in wrongful convictions is a product of The National Registry of Exonerations, which is a joint data project of the law schools at Cal Irvine, Michigan, and Michigan State. It serves as a central repository of verified, court recorded data on legal exoneration across all U.S. jurisdictions. There are are hundreds of public interest non profit orgs pursuing appeals, stays, pardons, commutations, and exonerations on behalf of wrongfully convicted people in the U.S. The Innocence Project is but one of them, based out of the Yeshiva University School of Law. It’s work goes well beyond exoneration, and much of it focuses on improving criminal legal process and legal protections for the accused. Both of which are important issues that relate to the wrongfully convicted, but which focus on the beginning rather than the terminal end of the criminal justice process.
It’s an important distinction. Once a person has been convicted of a crime in the United States the opportunities within the law to reconsider those convictions are very rare, deliberately narrow, extraordinarily complex and difficult to litigate, and immensely expensive to mount and pursue. From a pure efficiency perspective it makes more sense to work to end racial profiling by police, to end race based policing in general, to improve the quality and availability of legal counsel to the accused, and to change the plea-based system of criminal prosecutions.
The data cited in my link say nothing at all about percentages of innocent people detained, threatened, physically abused, arrested, falsely accused, falsely charged, and falsely imprisoned pending trial, only later to be acquitted at trial, to have their case dismissed by the judge, or to have their charges dismissed by the prosecutor. The people represented by the statistics in that report are completely innocent people who have been through all that and more, and have then been convicted and sentenced.
We don’t actually know what the racial disparities are with respect to that much, much larger group of people. But I for one would argue that it’s certainly much worse.
Now let’s all pause and regard with wonder that Degen woke up this morning and there was really nothing special to require or provoke him to engage in a gloriously stupid, and racist shit storm.
But he did.
He saw a data report that very clearly and numerically demonstrates an obvious and inescapable racial disparity in criminal justice. And one with profound implications to society and our faith in, and appreciation for justice. And just that was enough to make his head explode in stupidity.
This is the true nature of racism in America. It’s why it is so deeply rooted and so systemic. A lot of people think just exactly the way Degen does here. It’s incorporated into the way they see just about everything. And it’s almost impossible to even get them to see it, much less consider how wrong and immoral it is.
I believe it was QoS McHillbilly who brought this up when it happened a couple of months ago. Here’s follow-up:
Video Shows Denver Cops Wound 6 Bystanders In Addition to the Bad Guy…Out of 6 Rounds Fired
Denver police officers faced an armed bad guy who drew down on them in the midst of a busy bar crowd at 1:35 a.m. The cops engaged, firing their sidearms, scoring seven hits out of six rounds fired. That represents a remarkable 117% hit rate. The only problem is that six of the seven people who were wounded soaked up rounds meant for the bad guy.
Good thing this didn’t happen in the Capitol rotunda on J6. ’cause if it did, those six bystanders woulda got what they deserved, the fuckin’ traitors.
WHY THE FUCK DID I APPOINT ANY OF YOU?
@ 133
47 seems like a lot.
Well, surely it does. Until one is told that it’s the number of people shot during the weekend in south Chicago, in which case silly twats like YLB rush to dismiss it.
so let’s see if I’ve got this….
If any of the people who smashed down the U.S. Capitol doorway that the woman climbed through had also been shot they would be exactly like someone who was just standing around chatting with someone while enjoying a Coors in a bar.
Rachel Dolezal’s nudes gave Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit his first stiffy in two decades. It only lasted a minute and his hands were asleep, so no advantage could be taken, but still.
There’s hope for Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit!
@96 This morning brings news of a study that found you’re more likely to become a victim of a gun crime if you live in a state that doesn’t require permits for concealed carry, and that likelihood increases further in states that allow persons with violent misdemeanor priors to carry guns. Who wudda thunk?
https://www.rawstory.com/concealed-carry-laws/
Republican policies seem designed to kill us all, but they appear to have miscalculated: The attrition rate from Covid-19 and guns is higher on their side, and they’ll run out of voters before we do.
@98 It’s settled law that merely being a taxpayer doesn’t confer standing to litigate at the curb a police officer’s authority to issue a traffic citation on the grounds you pay the officer’s salary. However, traffic scofflaws keep trying.
@99 Still bitching about gas prices coming down?
@100 “And it’s not racism if the same percentages apply to people of each skin color rightfully convicted of a serious crime.”
What does this have to do with (1) people wrongfully convicted, and (2) a racial disparity in who gets wrongfully convicted?
@116 Ignoring me now?
@120 Yeah, it sure smells like Kise said, “I’m not gonna lie for you,” and Trump replied, “You’re fired!”
Just another episode of “The Apprentice.” Except this time the host doesn’t realize it’s a bad idea to treat an experienced defense attorney like an apprentice when you’re the defendant, especially when you’ve paid him a $3 million upfront nonrefundable retainer. Oh well, it was OPM anyway.
@121 It’s not senile, imbecilic, or incompetent to bypass a child and talk to the adults when you have to deal with a real-world problem.
146,
It has to do with having a fundamentally racist perspective about the purpose of police, investigations, trials, plead agreements, and sentencing.
Degen sees the purpose of these things to identify and incarcerate “the bad”.
Think about that for a minute.
He’s concluding from the outset that the accused are guilty. And that when they are not guilty that is a “failure” of the system to accuse the correct black guy.
That’s really it in a nutshell.
There’s no accommodation in his thinking for the possibility of the innocence of the accused. Nor does he conceive of the system (investigators, prosecutors, judges, even juries) having any role in establishing that innocence.
He’d make a fantastic county prosecutor, especially in someplace like Texas or Florida.
148,
Oh well, it was OPM anyway.
Degen’s money. Hee.
Imagine the cat food he might have bought.
@123 Yeah, no need to sort out the innocent from the guilty, much easier to just convict ’em all. Big saving of police and judicial resources. Besides, if they’re all black, they were born guilty.
@125 Degen’s panties are in a twist because Biden spoke with the mayors whose towns will be devastated instead of funneling federal response through the provincial dictator.
It doesn’t strike me as senile, imbecilic, or incompetent to worry that DeSantis might divert the bottled water intended for storm-damaged communities to his political rallies, after he diverted federal Covid-19 relief aid to flying legal migrants from Texas to Massachusetts (at $12,500 a nose, paid to a donor crony) to score political points in his Florida reelection campaign.
136,
Hey girl!
How you doing?
@128 “perhaps I should question why we need to give New Jersey $300 million to buy beach houses”
We all should question that. More than question it, I think millionaires who build houses on Atlantic beaches should be on their own.
@150 “He’s concluding from the outset that the accused are guilty. And that when they are not guilty that is a ‘failure’ of the system to accuse the correct black guy. That’s really it in a nutshell.”
This misstates Bob’s position. “Correct” isn’t an adjective he considers or utilizes.
152,
“Besides, if they’re all black, they were born guilty.”
In more or less those exact words.
Not the first time I’ve heard or read an “intelligent non-racist person” describe disparities in criminal justice this way.
I’m absolutely sure it won’t be the last.
But I do hope that by laboriously examining it here in this thread we can all put to rest any questions about these people’s true character, their obvious racial animus, and their entitlement to be “offended” whenever we point this out.
These assholes like Degen who vote Republican year after year won’t listen when it comes to race and inequality. And they sure as hell won’t look at themselves honestly. I’d like them to consider voting for better candidates. I’d like them to consider voting for Democrats. We keep giving them good alternatives to voting Republican. But they won’t change.
And that is as far as I’m willing to go.
Democrats absolutely must never move in their direction on issues like these. It’s just morally wrong. However much they may try to nuance or conflate their fundamentally racist motivations with some other “reasonable” fear, it is still racism.
Fuck that.
And fuck them.
Character is destiny.
Capitol riot asshole gets 7 years for attacking DC cop:
“Kyle Young, one of several rioters who attacked Washington, DC, police officer Michael Fanone during the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol was sentenced to 86 months in prison on Tuesday. ‘On January 6, the violence was you,’ Judge Amy Berman Jackson told Young before handing down the sentence, adding that he was a ‘one man wrecking ball’ that day who attacked Fanone “under the whirling banner of a ‘Blue Lives Matter’ flag.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/kyle-young-assault-michael-fanone-january-6/index.html
A law-and-order guy like Bob should celebrate this stiff sentence for a cop beater.
in which case silly bald, limp dumbasses like degen rush to dismiss…
higher violent crime rates in St Louis, MO and Memphis TN and other “inconvenient” places..
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2022/02/23/crime-in-america-study-reveals-the-10-most-dangerous-cities-its-not-where-you-think/?sh=1b153fb97710
the fixation on Chicago is just another another lame fixation of a silly troll..
Of course the numbers make kreepshit kreep, after all Chicago is the 3rd most populated city..
And that begs the question.. Why not babble about more populous L.A. and NYC? Cuz that undercuts the trolls lame bullshit even more…
So, when are the Deep State criminals going to prison?
161,
Soo… I’m gonna need you to name at least one. And if you could specify the statue that would be great.
@162 Also what crimes they committed.
The poster @161 probably thinks merely working for government is a crime.
A conservative rarely if ever has a positive interaction with government. That’s why they resent government and everyone working in it.
The cop who pulls him over for doing 55 on a residential street posted for 25 is violating his “natural rights.” So is the IRS when it audits him for not filing tax returns or paying taxes. And if Vermont allows a gay couple to get married there, it’s attacking a Kansas conservative’s religious beliefs.
There comes a time to give up trying to reason with some people and tell them to fuck off. And when they break the laws that apply to the rest of us, you leave it to the police, courts, and jails to deal with them. They’re equipped and trained for that job.