Forgot about this. Running behind, but at least there’s a thread.
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Hopefully this decision would still be 9-0 if it the case was argued next term instead of this one.
Those Freedom From Religion guys are assholes.
1,
This is unambiguously correct and entirely in keeping with liberal values.
Hardly a win for “conservatives” or their secret, omnipotent, invisible sky-buddy.
Government is not a strip mall or an advertising service. Most of the time when local government resorts to this kind of virtue signaling it is out of laziness and fear. Elected officials have no shortage of opportunities to clearly and forthrightly espouse the values of a tolerant, liberal society. They don’t need to take vague and indecisive steps like flying flags. They have power to take real definitive steps like terminating city contracts with vendors who refuse to abide by those values. By revising union contracts for police to no longer shield them from the consequences of their own misbehavior.
Rulings like this one result in the removal of unofficial flags and emblems from official government offices and strengthens the separation of church and state. As it should.
Bold move, Fat Midget.
Just in time for Daddy Twump to get his Twitter back.
@ 2
If it’s that obvious, why does it need to be taking up SCOTUS’ time?
Because one of the liberal values expoused by QoS McHillbilly is discrimination against religious organizations. Except, you know, for the ones who fly planes into buildings.
(CNN) Joe Biden’s term has become a punchline — even to the President.
My president is an imbecile.
https://will-law.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/2021ElectionReviewSummary-web.pdf
There was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. More voters voted for Biden, including a substantial percentage of Republicans.
Jurisdictions that used Dominion voting machines had no effect on the expected vote total. Nothing was found that could suggest an alternative explanation for Trump’s loss other than… HE LOST.
Because there was a raging, deadly pandemic many more voters were allowed to vote with absentee ballots. We have no reason or evidence to conclude that this favored any candidate.
After the state legislature cut funding, local county officials did an imperfect job of updating registrations. A few thousand people statewide voted after having moved addresses without their address being updated. A few hundred people voted from business addresses. Biden won by over 20,000 votes.
There was no “ballot dumping”. None. Couldn’t find any evidence at all. It didn’t happen.
WILL is another front for ultra-conservative billionaires. In this case Allen-Bradley Co. billionaires associated with Kochs. Even these guys know it’s all bullshit. Yet more than 80% of Republican candidates for federal office claim JOO SPACE LASERS ARE REAL.
Because sometimes the answer is too painful for the fwagile butt-hurtz feewings of Bible-clutchers.
A city with a $4 billion budget chooses to spend a few hundred thousand to obtain a definitive ruling on point based on well established precedent gaining them the freedom of movement to remove rainbow flags. They might have spent twice as much on public information campaigning and outreach. Would the money be better spent some other way? Maybe. But at least this gets it done fast.
A church group with a GoFundMe pisses away a few hundred thousand and gets…. absolutely nothing.
Both sides are assholes. The church side are stupid assholes. Consistently.
Yeah! Get that LEO! Toss a Fire extinguisher at’em if you don’t have a spear.
Blue Lives Matter! sometimes. Just like Freedom and the Constitution – they only matter when you want them to matter!
Where was the police union on January 6th?
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-police-new-york-riots-presidential-elections-4ec211cda4f84edb02e5c26e4e08be71
NY Grand Jury Is Dissolving…With NO CHARGES Against Trump
Karma: liberals worst day seems to be every day. . . . but, but . . . 81 MILLION votes!
‘Can’t always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you
needdeserve.@ 6
That was a one-state report. Wisconsin. I bring this up so that The Even Bigger Fucking Moron and HA’s dumbest twat understand that it’s a report on the 2020 election in Wisconsin.
When all of this is said and done, Georgia 2020 may have an asterisk. Or not.
9,
NY County DA total annual budget is about $450 million, about $400 million of which is salaries and benefits. The bulk of that head count is pre-tasked to priority prosecutions of violent felonies, narcotics felonies, and domestic violence felonies. Leaving scant resources for elective investigations. So even if DA Bragg were to find strong evidence of criminal violations there are good reasons to avoid going further on a tiny budget.
It would fully occupy the elective resources and senior administrative staff of the entire office for many years to come. With RNC donors like Degen and this Karma idiot footing the bill Trump could delay for years. And these are probably some of the toughest charges to prove. Generally, the statutes controlling white collar crimes set a very high bar for criminal intent. In New York it’s extremely high. Prosecutors must clearly demonstrate through evidence an elaborate and highly specific mental state of criminal intent on the part of the defendant. It’s often only possible (and hardly ever easy) with “smoking gun” evidence, such as documentation created by the defendant clearly setting out that level of intent.
Also, Bragg is a politician and like most he has concerns for his legacy and how his term in office is perceived. Taking on Trump might be good. But it could also define his term of service as DA. And if the case is lost, that would not be good.
NY county is a huge jurisdiction as counties go. But it’s tiny compared to NY state or the U.S. DOJ. Dissolving the GJ now preserves Bragg’s opportunity in the future, if something like that smoking gun ever turns up. Without it, he’s being smart protecting his own legacy and cutting bait rather than losing his boat.
Conceivably more likely to result in a criminal prosecution of Trump or Meadows than any imaginary STOP THE STEAL asterisk.
Trump lost. And these miserable, balding, choke-fapping Trumpaloompas can’t take it. It eats at them. Destroying their insides.
Georgia? Essentially Trump lost Georgia TWICE in two months. Fucking pathetic.
Once again Republicans like Degen are addicted to a “Lost Cause” myth.
@ 8
So even if DA Bragg were to find strong evidence of criminal violations there are good reasons to avoid going further on a tiny budget.
There’s something missing here, QoS McHillbilly. Do you know what it is?
Why, it’s the investigation conducted by Bragg’s predecessor.
Trump Fraud Inquiry Won’t Be Resolved When Vance’s Term Ends Next Week
After leading a three-year investigation into the former president, the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., will hand it to his successor.
Three-plus years spent investigating Trump, two DAs involved, and they got nuthin’.
Three-plus years. Tiny budget had nothing to do with it. There was nothing there, after three-plus years of search. That was the reason for not going further.
You’re intentionally dishonest with increasing frequency, QoS McHillbilly. You’re gettin’ ready for The Pain.
@ 8
Video was crucial for the conviction of that asshole.
Video will be crucial for the exoneration of hundreds of others citizens who did nothing wrong, too. That’s the thing with video – it works both ways.
Just ask Jussie.
The church side are stupid assholes. Consistently.
That also fits our low IQ stupid asshole who is also consistently wrong about everything. In fact, he’s presently batting .000 when going to bat against Elijah and Roger, the two attorneys here.
He actually believes he knows about law than attorneys. It came his losing over a score of malpractice lawsuits. It was always his attorney’s fault that he lost, not the fact he never once checked the work of the low wage radiologist in India who all his work for him him as he sat in dark, windowless office watching the CNBC ticker-tape, fretting about his covered calls. He must have lost a fortune, and I’m not talking about his puts and covered calls.
Our low IQ stupid asshole also believes he knows more about electrical engineering than electrical engineers. At the start of the Texas grid failure a couple years ago, I posted here what wrong down there. He said that I didn’t WTF what I was talking about. I was proven right in less that 24 hours.
Honestly, our low IQ stupid asshole is the most stupid individual I’ve ever encountered in my life, professional or not.
@ 11
NY County DA total annual budget is about $450 million, about $400 million of which is salaries and benefits. The bulk of that head count is pre-tasked to priority prosecutions of violent felonies, narcotics felonies, and domestic violence felonies. Leaving scant resources for elective investigations.
Not included in this tiny budget: The hundreds of millions of dollars of settlement money that goes into a slush fund for use at the discretion of a Democrat DA intent on taking down a Republican president.
QoS McHillbilly knows this. He just banks on hope that the rest of us don’t.
That’s the thing with video – it works both ways.
Just ask Jussie.
Or the low IQ stupid asshole could just ask his dozen cosplaying grandmothers about that.
@ 17
Yup. There’s a dozen right there that deserve prison time.
Not one of them is a selfie-taking grandmother walking around the rotunda in a Trump sweater. There’s plenty of video of that behavior, too. It’s the video that DOJ is trying hard to suppress.
All this crazy talk about abortion coming from the Republicans and fundamentalist Christians! Abortion is just about the best way ordinary folks have to avoid lives of poverty and struggle. Why can’t they see that?
Here’s a guy who hates a free press and has no sense of humor. Contrary to what you’d expect, his name doesn’t begin with a “P”.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3473926-desantis-trashes-correspondents-dinner-after-roasting-from-trevor-noah/
@10 A report, to be more precise, from a state where Republicans tried to legislate non-existent voter fraud into a narrative.
Yeah, Musk is gonna win this one, too.
The rape office mention was a nice touch.
@19 They do see that. Watching others struggle in extreme poverty is a spectator sport for them. They don’t want that entertainment taken from them.
The rape office mention was a nice touch.
Meaning you know them well.. Frat House… VIP Lounge… hmmm… Radiology clinic for the the pre-sales reps?
Go ahead tell us you never hurt a woman in your life…
You can even lie if you makes you feel better..
Abortion is just about the best way ordinary folks have to avoid lives of poverty and struggle. Why can’t they see that?
They see all too well that forcing birth means more women dying in childbirth..
Black women especially who are three times more likely.
NBC basically saying Republicans are Nazis …
You and Musk are both wrong. What they are saying is that today, you and the majority of Republicans are fascists, and they are right, you low IQ fascist traitor.
@6, 10 “This group spent ten months investigating Donald Trump’s claims of widespread election fraud in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. WILL found no evidence of widespread fraud. The group found, for instance, 130 cases of ex-felons voting, and 42 ballots from potentially deceased voters, but not in numbers that could have affected the election results, or that could be described as an intentional effort to subvert the election. WILL found ‘no evidence of significant problems with voting machines,’ and despite Trump’s repeated claims that machines from the firm Dominion Voting Systems were used by Democrats to steal the election, the group found that Democrats actually performed worse than expected in precincts that used the Dominion machines. The group found no evidence of ‘ballot dumping,’ another common accusation from Trump. In the few cases where some state rules were not correctly followed, little to no evidence showed that voters who cast those ballots ‘did anything intentionally wrong’ and they were likely just following election officials’ advice, and thus this is not cause for throwing out those ballots or a basis to ‘infer fraud.'”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Institute_for_Law_and_Liberty
Mistakes do happen in elections. There’s no such thing as a perfect, mistake-free election. But inadvertent errors occur in such small numbers they rarely, if ever, affect an election result. In other words, they’re immaterial. On the other hand, if we threw out election results because of a handful of immaterial errors, none of our elective offices would ever be filled by voters.
Fraud is even rarer than errors, and even less likely to affect an election result, especially in a large statewide election such as that for president or governor.
The difference between mistake and fraud is intentionality. The difference between immaterial and material is whether it affects the result.
A Republican is someone who can’t tell the difference between mistake or fraud, and immaterial or material. To a Republican, every immaterial mistake looks like “STOLEN ELECTION!!!” That’s because Republicans are stupid.
@ 21
… Republicans tried to legislate non-existent voter fraud into a narrative.
It’s disturbing that Steve refers @ 15 to Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit as an attorney, because Dumbfuck Rabbit is so invariably blatantly dishonest.
Of course there was voter fraud in Wisconsin. It wasn’t widespread, at least not provably widespread, but QoS McHillbilly didn’t try to have us believe that there wasn’t any.
I’d be OK if Steve referred to Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit as either a disbarred attorney or a disgraced attorney, one of which is certainly true and the other certainly plausible.
Referring to 2020 election fraud in Wisconsin as “nonexistent” is a provable lie. The Even Bigger Fucking Moron might not know that, but HA’s dumbest twat does.
Go ahead tell us you never hurt a woman in your life…
I’d cut him some slack on this one. He only hurt his mother. He hasn’t been within 10′ feet of any other woman since he fucked a cadaver. The sales rep women? They’re not crazy. They’d only meet with the low IQ stupe in the cafeteria.
Those Freedom From Religion guys are assholes.
Including a guy named Reagan?
whose father was a whipped asshole who caved to his wife to have her astrologist control his schedule.
@28 The “non-existent voting fraud” I’m referring to is the voting fraud Trump was referring to, idiot. Seriously, you have a major reading comprehension deficit. Get tutoring.
Of course there was voter fraud in Wisconsin.
Yes, dimfuk there was…
We were told you troll ilk didn’t do that. Yeah right..
@30 Doctor Dumbfuck would have us believe that anyone wanting freedom from religion is an asshole, but those trying to cram their religion down other people’s throats are not assholes.
And that’s before they try to cram their germs down other people’s throats, too, in the name of their religion.
This op-ed doesn’t even discuss the embarrassment that black voters must feel about Momala.
Message to The Even Bigger Fucking Moron: You’d feel less stupid if you didn’t limit your interactions to just convos with degreed white liberals.
The WILL document looks pretty superficial. For example, it says “We identified 42 ballots cast, statewide, by deceased voters. Nearly all were properly rejected by local clerks. There are two instances where a possibly deceased voter had their ballot counted.”
This is the totality of information provided on that subject in the entire report. There’s no evidence they investigated further. For example, the report doesn’t offer any clarification of whether any of these ballots were properly submitted by a voter who died before the election, and the ballots became ineligible for that reason. The report does not claim any of these ballots were fraudulently cast by someone else.
Very sloppy work.
It’s how they missed the fact that for a majority of Black voters, being a Democrat does not mean being a liberal, and it certainly doesn’t mean being “woke.” It has always been more complicated than that, part of a communal identity that rejected the historic racism of Republicans and viewed progress as building out the achievements of the civil rights movement.
Heh.. That’s fine.. As long as they don’t vote against their interests..
Voting repuke means more black women die in childbirth..
Black voters are gerrymandered into insignificance.
Brutal, discriminatory, profiling policing when its not non-existent..
As bad as it is now, even MORE widening economic inequality..
It goes on and on…
Minorities who buy into believing that they too can be drumpf if they join the likes of drumpf university will not only be swindled of their money.
Very sloppy work.
Well paid for by their always wrong wing billionaire bosses.. Of course they aimed to please.
Bottom line is that they recommend all sorts of “reform” and of course those billionaires will shell out big time to make “that” happen..
It’s happening as I write..
whose father was a whipped asshole who caved to his wife to have her astrologist control his schedule.
Weren’t Nancy and her astrologer co-presidents the last two years of the Reagan administration when all Ronnie could do was sit on the sofa with a blank look on his face, staring into space?
Poor Ronnie. He’s no longer the hero of the Republicans. Just another RINO. Sadly, their new hero is a raging orange man-baby fascist who tried to put an end our nation being a democratic republic with a violent insurrection in our nation’s Capitol, the intent of which was to stop the peaceful transfer of power, and then subject the nation’s populace to live under the rule of an authoritarian fascist dictator.
The low IQ traitor doesn’t like to talk about that.
19,
They see it perfectly.
Pay attention.
Troll Degen explained it yesterday.
Financial precarity is intentionally inflicted upon a significant percentage of the workforce in order to motivate submission to the authority of owners and employers.
This also serves to explain why Republicans despise Social Security, state expansion of Medicare to cover poor children, and public education.
What it does not explain is why any working class person continues to cast a vote for any Republican. That is more or less explained by racism. Sadly self-destructive.
But then again, willful self-destruction is the defining characteristic of Republican “populism”. Behold how easily the last Republican president duped several thousand of his most ardent working class followers to travel to The Capitol to commit felonies in his name. Imagine having worked your whole life to build a moderately successful real estate or auto repair business only to sweep it all into a burn pile in an hysterical fit of impotent rage because a flaccid, pale, balding, failed reality television personality told you to. That is what “conservative populism” does for a voter.
Reminder. Jussie is a liar, just like the greedy racist incel is a liar. When it comes to lying, they are practically the same person.
35,
“Very sloppy work.”
Admittedly. The entire STOP THE STEAL enterprise is fueled by and depends upon superficiality and sloppiness in service to a specific purpose. It’s obviously getting increasingly difficult for Republican voters to get hard every couple of years. The strategy Bannon crafted for Trump in 2016 was a high-stakes gamble premised on an exceptional shift in turnout. We haven’t seen it repeated since.
I don’t know what they’ll turn to next, but I don’t expect it to be any less superficial or sloppy. However, what’s notable in this case is that this is superficiality and sloppiness coming from lawyers who specialize in plumbing the fetid, grumbling depths of white “working class” populism.
Everything Trump touches he breaks.
And long after Trump is gone the institutional organs of “conservative ‘Murica” will still be a smoking ruin of broken parts. They may be angry. They may be motivated. But they are also red-lining their tachometer of stupidity and they’ve been burning oil for the last twenty thousand miles. As with Trump before, they will be no pivot. Republican America has a seemingly inexhaustible supply of stupid, to wit: Madison Cawthorn still leads his nearest opponent by 18 points.
@37 The “reform” they propose consists of cookie-cutter GOP prescriptions to restrict voting access.
The report is 10 pages of summary findings and recommendations in outline form. They give you nothing empirical to work with. It’s a position paper, period.
What’s most noteworthy is they didn’t find evidence of fraud. Basically they’re saying “these are changes we think should be made to running elections in Wisconsin even though we didn’t find any problems.” It’s obvious their “recommendations” were predetermined and it made no difference to their “reform” proposals what they found out factually.
Typical GOP garbage. But at least they didn’t fabricate data or conclusions to reinforce “stolen election” lies. They acknowledged Biden won Wisconsin.
Now the question is, when are these people (and others like them) going to get out in front of GOP audiences and say, “The election wasn’t stolen. You people need to stop believing that shit.” It seems to me all these GOP outfits conducting their own unofficial audits and investigations, and all coming up with that result, have a responsibility to do that.
What they do instead is write stuff like this: “We found no evidence of more than one vote being cast in the name of the same voter. However, we should note our review was limited to the state of Wisconsin, meaning that someone could, theoretically, have voted in another state.” (pp. 4-5)
What they’ve done here is extrude the existence of a problem requiring remedial action from a purely speculative and totally unproven theoretical possibility. That is at best sophomoric, and at worst dishonest.
@41 I’ve spent as much time on the WILL report as I’m going to. It deserves no more. It’s laughable.
42,
https://badgerherald.com/news/2022/04/26/gov-evers-vetoes-43-republican-backed-bills/
Midterm and off-year elections matter. In far away places like Wisconsin they matter. And Wisconsin does not term-limit its Governor. Evers currently enjoys 50% approval. While Wisconsin’s Republican legislature approval has sunk to 38%. Which not coincidentally is also the percentage approving of Senate Idiot Ron Johnson who now gets to brag that just over 50% of voters hate his guts.
Not to be overlooked: these are state level polls. So some of the Republicans who will end up voting for Johnson are lying right now. And some of the EEN-DEE-PEN-DUNCE who claim to be undecided are also lying right now.
But I think it will be very challenging for Republicans to pin their hopes of retaining Johnson on a bunch of EEN-DEE-PEN-DUNCE voters crossing the ballot from Tony Evers to Ron Johnson. So if they want to keep Johnson they better do something about Kleefich. Hey, wouldn’t this be a great time for Trump to get his Twitter back?
@45 Do what, exactly, about Kleefisch? Lock her in a barn until November? And how would that help? Democratic voters will turn out anyway, because Johnson is just as nutty as she is.
@ 36
Voting repuke means more black women die in childbirth..
Voting Democrat means a much, much larger number of black inner city kids die in crossfire, YLB.
You know that, girlfriend, but you don’t like it when it comes up.
@47 “Voting Democrat means a much, much larger number of black inner city kids die in crossfire, YLB.”
Vapid unsupported talking point. I could argue, with equal credulity, that if every urban area was under Republican management, gun deaths among inner city black kids would be the same or greater. I would be speculating. You are speculating. There is no evidence to back up any of this.
Voting Democrat means a much, much larger number of black inner city kids die in crossfire
Most black and hispanics live in suburbs now.. Dems did nothing to stop that.
Your obsession with Chicago is silly. There are higher murder rates in Birmingham and Memphis.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/53/
“inner city” was the ugly child of racism birthed over decades. Unfortunately it will take decades for that to work itself out. Repukes do little to nothing to help that.
You’re too full of your own pigheaded shit to see that. Typical of a privileged white living in an upscale exurb.
And of course you still have no answer to forced birth laws in 26 states leading to more deaths in child birth.
limp baldy…
@ 35
The WILL document looks pretty superficial.
…
This is the totality of information provided on that subject in the entire report. There’s no evidence they investigated further.
@ 41
35,
“Very sloppy work.”
Admittedly.
Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit @ 35, the title of the document includes the word “summary”. If you look at page 3 you will see a link and two QR codes which take you to the full report. But you didn’t look at that. You bloviating fuck.
You’re a very sloppy dumbfuck, Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit. You were a very shitty and unsuccessful attorney, which is why you spend your retirement years demanding that people acknowledge you are a millionaire in the same way that Momala spends her time demanding that people stand when she walks into the room. In each case, BFD.
QoS McHillbilly @ 41, you could have at least told the Dumbfuck that he has nine more minutes to edit his spew before embarrassing himself, his family, and the memory of SeattleJew yet again.
I see that First Vegetable Joe Biden and HA’s dumbest twat share the same civics instructor:
the same civics instructor:
Your high school civics teacher inspired you to vote for Carter even AFTER the REAL “miracle on ice”.
You frat bros gave you a new asshole.. Thus was birthed a Raygun klownservatic…
President Biden at the White House correspondents’ dinner: “Everyone [here] had to prove they were fully vaccinated and boosted. So if you’re at home watching this, and you’re wondering how to do that, just contact your favorite FOX News reporter. Because they’re all here.”
Amazon workers at a second Staten Island warehouse rejected union representation and it wasn’t close.
380 votes for
618 votes against
Looming recession. Not exactly the best time to piss off your employer, particularly when its shares are down by more than a quarter so far this year.
Fuck you, Sandy from the block.
Have a good evening, gentlemen.
Hey, you too, YLB.
Have a good evening, gentlemen.
Hey, you too, YLB.
I was gonna delete @ 56 as a duplicate, but really, some things really need to be written twice.
Y’all know. For emphasis.
@55. What do you care? You won’t ever need to get an abortion.
Presented without comment:
I did read, last week, that CJ Roberts was trying to flip an AJ, most likely Kavanaugh, to prevent this from being the majority opinion.
Who is today’s Reality Winner?
RBG could not be reached for comment.
This is what happens when four justices decide that fleeing to another state to prevent the publication of an opinion is a nonstarter.
This is sufficiently newsworthy to get me to show up to Drinking Liberally tomorrow.
After all, yesterday my antigen test came up positive, and I’ve got more than mere opinion to share.
Dry your tears, YLB, and try to focus on the bright side:
Now you get to claim that “voting repuke” @ 36 will kill black women and their unborn black children.
Until today, girlfriend, your ideology prevented you from ever mentioning the latter.
By the way, dumbfuck, your post @18 was such a hot mess, I considered it unworthy of a reply. I’d ask that you try again, but I believe that’s the best you’ve got.
@59 The subjugation of American women. You must be thrilled. Sadly, you’ll still never know what it’s like to fuck a woman.
If SCOTUS won’t honor the 50-year-old precedent of Roe, then the 7-year-old precedent of Obergefell does not stand a chance.
@54 “Not exactly the best time to piss off your employer, particularly when its shares are down by more than a quarter so far this year.”
You think Amazon warehouse workers give a flying fuck about the share price?
The best time to piss off your employer is on the first day you don’t need to work anymore.
But Susan Collins said that wouldn’t happen.
@55 Now the Supremes get to spend the rest of their working lives reviewing (1) unending efforts by a handful of states to prohibit abortion in the remaining states, and (2) death sentences handed down to women who have miscarriages.
Does anyone believe for a moment that this won’t leave more questions unanswered than it answers, and open a can of worms that will tie up a vast quantity of federal judicial resources?
But at least it will create busy work for all those newly-appointed Federalist Society judges.
Mexico: Rail link worth billions won’t go through Texas after Abbott used trade as ‘political tool’
SANTA TERESA, N.M. — The Mexican government said it intends to shift long-range plans to build a trade railway connection worth billions of dollars from Texas to New Mexico in the wake of Gov. Greg Abbott’s stepped-up border inspections last month, which were widely criticized as being financially damaging and may now leave a lasting impact on relations between Texas and its No. 1 trading partner.
11 year old girls who get abortions after being raped, should they get life in prison, or the death penalty?
@58 It’s obvious why he cares. He doesn’t want what almost happened to him happening to someone else.
@70 The only person who still believes Susan Collins is Susan Collins.
The Alito draft opinion:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180-874f-dd36-a38c-c74f98520000
If Roe and Casey are overturned, liberals will never trust the Court again, viewing it, potentially rightly, as a political arm of the Republican Party. Its reputation as an institution will be fatally wounded and clinically dead. This is not a prediction. It is a guarantee.
@50 Well, my bad! Here it is: https://will-law.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2021ReviewStudy.pdf
The discussion of “deceased voters” consists of page 19 and part of page 20 of the 136-page report. In other words, there’s not much to discuss. Here are their relevant findings:
“WILL requested the same information (registration, ID, and absentee ballot envelope) from the two deceased voters who appeared to have actually voted.
“The first deceased voter cast a ballot in Rock County. Their ballot was signed on September 22, 2020, and they passed away, according to their obituary, on September 26, 2020.* However, according to the Rock County clerk, their ballot was counted because poll books can be printed 20 days prior to the election and at that time they had not been notified of his death.
“The second deceased voter, from Racine County, passed away in September of 2020 and appears to have had their vote counted. WILL received a copy of their photo ID from the municipality, but since they had registered to vote there over 30 years ago, they no longer possess a copy of his voter registration. WILL requested his absentee ballot envelope from the Racine County Clerk on June 22 and received an email from the legal counsel in the county office saying that she is not the custodian of those records, but they are in the process of locating them. WILL was subsequently informed by the legal office that two voters shared the same name and lived nearby each other. They believe that WEC incorrectly flagged this voter.”
One voter who died after voting, and one ballot cast by a live person misidentified as “dead voter” because two people had the same name.
MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD!!!
You are going to find this stuff in every election. It happens in a miniscule number of cases, but it happens, despite the meticulous efforts of election workers. And it does not affect the outcome of elections. But it does set off a great noise of hootin’ and hollerin’ in the GOP echo chamber.
An element of this is going to start to emerge soon that makes it even more terrifying than it already is, and that is this: clearly, the forces of power that control the American right wing have determined that they no longer need the issue of abortion anymore.
They’ve now graduated beyond needing this core essential multi-billion-dollar, decades-long marketing strategy. And the implications of that really ought to elicit a feeling of pure terror in every person of conscience in this country.
Think the Affordable Care Act will survive?
@79 It’s only a matter of time until they get nukes; and unlike Putin, they’ll use them.
My theory is that when the low IQ traitor crossed Elijah’s orange event horizon, this marked the beginning of his precipitous drop in intelligence. And as he elongates his way to the orange singularity, his low IQ drops even further with each passing day. For my part, I think it’s a very sad thing to watch.
This abortion issue has been decided, back in 1973. If a woman does not want and abortion – fine. If a woman wants an abortion – fine!
It’s already been decided, so the SCOTUS needs to drop this like a hot potato.
Speaking of trolls, the friendship that Puddy and I share is going just fine, thank you. It turns out he was telling us the truth when he talked about having a very beautiful wife and two fine sons. We haven’t gotten together in person because he retired to warmer climes.
He also now knows that I’ve never lied about who I am, If anything, I’ve held things back, like that I had a 35 year run as the best electrical engineer in America. I’m actually pretty modest about that stuff, and never talked about the achievements I’ve had with anybody. I figured if I started bragging about things, that run of mine would come to an abrupt end.
I only learned a year ago that my middle finger is legend in GSA offices across the county. I was the nation’s leading authority on select life-safety systems and 20 years ago they sought me out to help them with something which required that finger of mine to make a point which left Honeywell practically in tears.
After I solved a seemingly unsolvable engineering problem 20 years ago affecting the building life-safety industry, I was asked to speak before the Northwest Society of Fire Protection Engineers and fire marshals drove from as far away as Walla Walla to hear me speak, but mostly to congratulate me and shake my hand for solving the so-called unsolvable problem. It resulted in changes to our nation’s building and fire codes, as well to ADAAG, and brought fundamental change to an American industry.
Puddy is a very fine craftsman! He recently helped me out on a home project I’d considering doing, but thanks to his sound advice, I won’t bother with it. He had previously given great advice on a previous project I’d considered doing, with which I will now proceed to do.
You would find no mention of politics on his FB page or mine. But you would find that we both post about our love for ice cream. Common ground.
I understand if you guys are disappointed in me, but I’ve always marched to the beat of my own drummer.
he retired to warmer climes.
Heh.. Yeah it said it would do that near the beginning it started trolling here.. fuck.. 2005?
Took long enough.. Good riddance.
Prolly Florida.. to be near its kook crush.. karsen… and near salt mining buddy’s peoples..
They both can have FL and its degenerate dishonest yale/harvard fatboy politics..
did a kreepshit tool from widbee just fart in here?
heh..
Republicans going off half-cocked:
“’The left continues its assault on the Supreme Court with an unprecedented breach of confidentiality, clearly meant to intimidate,’ wrote Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley (R). ‘The Justices mustn’t give in to this attempt to corrupt the process. Stay strong.’
“Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) concurred with Hawley that ‘This breach shows that radical Democrats are working even harder to intimidate & undermine the Court. It was always their plan. The justices cannot be swayed by this attack,’ Scott added.
“Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said, ‘The next time you hear the far left preaching about how they are fighting to preserve our Republic’s institutions & norms remember how they leaked a Supreme Court opinion in an attempt to intimidate the justices on abortion.'”
https://thehill.com/news/senate/3474809-republicans-condemn-leak-of-supreme-court-draft-abortion-ruling/
They’re going to look pretty silly if it turns out the janitor did it.
Its reputation as an institution will be fatally wounded and clinically dead. This is not a prediction. It is a guarantee.
Yep, they should be careful of what they wish for.
@84 Puddy is dead. Long live Puddy! The person who was pretending to be Puddy is alive and well. Good to hear that.
Think the Affordable Care Act will survive?
It should be replaced by single payer. No country wastes more money on health care for such poor outcomes.
@ 84
I hope he and his family are doing well.
Actually, I hope that for Lib Sci, too.
They’re going to look pretty silly if it turns out the janitor did it.
It’s not the first time a leak like this has happened.. However I understand a lengthy draft opinion is a first.
Think the Affordable Care Act will survive?
I saw ACA as a product the poor might afford buying, say $15/month, but with such high deductables, they couldn’t afford to use it. But for the lower middle class, it might be a good deal for them.
I hope he and his family are doing well.
I’ll convey that to him.
Puddy is dead. Long live Puddy! The person who was pretending to be Puddy is alive and well. Good to hear that.
I was hoping your response would be something like that. You’re a good man, Roger.
Prolly Florida..
Yup.
The person who was pretending to be Puddy is alive and well. Good to hear that..
You’re a forgiving soul Roger… that fool babbled “senile” so much, nobody here had any need for ambien.. it made us all narcoleptic instead.
Of course he did.
Ohio GOP gubernatorial candidate shares photo of self in front of swastika
@ 68
If SCOTUS won’t honor the 50-year-old precedent of Roe, then the 7-year-old precedent of Obergefell does not stand a chance.
The Even Bigger Fucking Moron, Plessy v. Ferguson was honored for 58 years. Some precedents deserve dishonor.
@77 Alito’s opinion dwells on the weak reasoning of Roe v. Wade. A lot of reputable legal scholars agree with that assessment. As for me, I always thought the first half of Roe v. Wade, which says there’s an implied constitutional right to privacy, was strong; but the abortion half was flimsy. Reading the Constitution itself, you have to look long and hard to see a constitutional right to abortion hiding in there somewhere. Alito uses most of 98 pages to say as much.
But here’s something else he says: ” … the Solicitor General suggests that overruling [Roe and Casey] would ‘threaten the Court’s precedents holding that the Due Process Clause protects other rights … citing [Obergefell, Lawrence v. Texas, and Griswold v. Connecticut]. That is not correct … abortion is a unique act … inherently different …. And to ensure that our decision is not misunderstood or mischaracterized, we emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right. Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.” (Page 62 of draft opinion)
When his ship is torpedoed, the first thing a good captain does is get damage reports. Here’s what the Alito draft opinion does:
1. Overrules Roe v. Wade that there’s a constitutional right to abortion.
2. Lets state legislatures decide.
Here’s what it does not do:
3. Does not confer on fetuses a constitutional right to life.
4. Does not overturn existing state constitutional provisions or statutes legalizing abortion.
5. Does not suggest or imply those provisions or statutes can be challenged in federal courts.
6. Does not say states can ban same-sex marriage or contraceptives, or criminalize sodomy, and implies they cannot.
7. Does not suggest state legislatures can regulate or ban abortion beyond their own borders.
8. Does not suggest state legislatures can punish miscarriage.
9. Does not approve of delegating enforcement of abortion bans to private citizens.
10. Does not explicitly bar Congress from overriding state legislatures and legalizing abortion on a nationwide basis.
On that latter point, the closing paragraph of the Alito draft opinion says: “The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
Notice it doesn’t specify whether the “people and their elected representatives” refers to state legislatures or Congress, both of which fit that description. The choice of language here appears to be deliberate and careful. You can read it various ways, including that it’s still an open question which may be addressed in a final draft, or left for another day and another decision. In totality, the bottom line is it could be worse. The ship is taking water, but not sinking, and won’t be able to dock in some ports, but legal abortion will still exist in this country in at least some places. And Alito appears to be shutting the barn door on letting the other horses out.
Happiest Republican right now is JD Vance.
@ 100
It’s too bad The Even Bigger Fucking Moron will understand none of that.
but legal abortion will still exist in this country in at least some places.
The extremists are already agitating for a national ban… All it takes is what the country was suffering through in 2017.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-will-try-to-ban-abortion-nationwide-if-supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-report-reveals/ar-AAWQtsW
For that a Moscow Mitch will gladly suspend the filibuster.
@97 It was all an act from the get-go. He dressed up in character and presented his political beliefs by speaking through the character, like many of us do. A rabbit speaks for me. A babbling butthole freak spoke for him. He isn’t one in person. (I met him at Seattle Jew’s house.)
100)Wonder if we’ll ever know who leaked it? Could they be disbarred?
It was all an act from the get-go.
A very booooorriiiing act… and dull…
like kreepshit’s waste product..
@103 They’ll have to abolish the filibuster to do it.
And that cuts two ways. If abortion opponents can override state constitutional provisions and statutes in Congress, then so can abortion supporters.
@105 Why do you assume a lawyer did it? These justices don’t do their own typing, you know. Nor do they empty the wastebaskets and mop the floors.
It’s interesting that the leaked draft is in printed, not typed, format. Somebody in the printing shop could have swiped a copy.
108)I assumed it was a law clerk. Perhaps a janitor, we do sometimes find or overhear what we aren’t supposed to. Especially when emptying trash or recycling bins.
They’ll have to abolish the filibuster to do it.
No. They can just suspend it once for the vote on the ban.. Schumer was thinking the same for the voting rights bill and Sinema shut that down.
And that cuts two ways. If abortion opponents can override state constitutional provisions and statutes in Congress, then so can abortion supporters.
Apparently, that’s the way Alito likes it..
The hand-wringing by the usual HA twats is really a joy to observe.
Yabbut did they secure the fire extinguishers?
We’re about to see January 6 become a nothingburger in history.
Speaking of hand-wringing twats:
And if there aren’t 50 votes…
#CrookedHillary’s custom gown is adorned with the names of all of the women her husband has raped or otherwise sexually assaulted.
It’s too bad that Ashley Judd didn’t run for Senate. Had she won her awful face lift results would make people forget all about First Vegetable Joe Biden’s awful hair plugs.
@112 “We’re about to see January 6 become a nothingburger in history.”
Sorry, but it’s impossible to get liberals to behave like Republicans. The most that will happen is Madonna flips Alito the finger and yells, “Fuck you!”
@113 “And if there aren’t 50 votes…”
This improves the chances there will be. A SCOTUS decision overturning Roe could not only preserve Democratic majorities but expand them. According to a CNN poll, 69% of Americans support abortion, while only 30% oppose it. That’s a shallow well for McConnell to draw water from.
@115 Biden will go down in history as the president who stopped the world’s next Hitler in the first country he invaded. Ukraine couldn’t have done it without his help.
Your president wanted to sell them to Russia.
The hand-wringing by the usual HA twats is really a joy to observe.
Must be like your rapidly diminishing IQ is to to me – a absolute joy to watch it plummeting.
I have a couple of friends who have a 135 IQ which is where I figure you to be. And how would I know their IQ? They each bragged about it to me. And why do I suspect that of you? You seem the type to think you’re the smartest person in every room your in.
Being a kind soul, I didn’t tell them that they were crowing about their “very high IQ” to someone who had them by 16 points. And a 151 IQ is nothing to brag about, either.
This is actually the first time I’ve ever revealed that to anybody. I only learned what it was when I was being kicked out of school in 7th grade for sharing some truly graphic Mexican porn in class. The counselor had me, my father and his wife in his office. He was quickly flipping through my school records when he suddenly stopped and looked them and said, “Something’s gone terribly wrong here.” Up until 6th grade when my mom died, I had been a straight A student.
Where I was sitting I could see the document, which appeared to be a standardized form and in a line of text near the top there was an underlined space where a number was written in. Even though upside down from my perspective, it was easy to read.
Heh. I ended up graduating from HS with a 1.04 GPA and my counselor informed me that I had finished 4th from the bottom of my class. He also told me that I now held the Seattle School District record for truancy in a single school year.
I was a very, very bad boy. Glad I turned it around.
@119 “bottom of my class”
Typical. High-abstraction-level thinking machines don’t do well in standard-paced classrooms. Daydream too much, and let’s just say … too creative.
If you are 151 you can get into Triple-9. Not that you’d especially want to. In my experience, it’s bad enough being in the 140s. Nobody likes you except other 140s. And they’re fucking weird.
You figure Doc is 135? From my perspective, that’s not exactly stupid, merely dense and slow, so sounds about right. He fits that profile.
Alito didn’t call Roe v. Wade “wrong,” but “egregiously wrong.” Supremes choose words carefully, so much thought went into this.
Is he being hyperbolic? No! Trying to provoke Democrats? That’s the last thing he wants to do; the political blowback is gonna be bad enough as it is. Nope, there’s another reason.
“Conservative justices ― including Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, and Neil Gorsuch ― described Roe v. Wade as settled law in their confirmation hearings and suggested they would respect precedent. They never explicitly committed to preserving Roe.
“Kavanaugh personally assured Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) in a private meeting that he would hesitate to overturn longstanding decisions like Roe. ‘When I asked him whether it would be sufficient to overturn a long-established precedent if five current justices believed it was wrongly decided, he emphatically said no,’ Collins said in 2018 before voting to confirm Kavanaugh.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pelosi-schumer-abortion-roe-v-wade-supreme-court_n_62709f9ae4b0bc48f57eaddb
So, you see, voting to overturn a “wrongly decided” precedent would make him a liar. (He already is, but isn’t eager to prove it.)
But what if a precedent was “egregiously wrongly decided”? That’s a different story! He never said he wouldn’t vote to overturn an egregiously wrongly decided precedent!
But it would be unseemly for him to decide what is “egregiously” wrongly decided. Someone else has to do it. Who might that be?
Alito!
So, you see, it’s all about Alito giving the FNG* permission to overturn Roe v. Wade without being a liar. Or, at least, without looking quite so much like one.
Pretty much the same deal with the other FNGs, too.
* Fucking New Guy
@112. The supreme court should bring the barricades down and let people in, after all that is “legitimate political discourse” according to the gop
Then failing it in the Senate, accompanied by an abundance of impassioned floor speeches from Hassan and Murkowski, and impassioned stump speeches before crowded summer campaign rallies, helps bring out an additional twenty million Democratic voters in November:
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1064204605758861312
https://www.brookings.edu/research/bidens-victory-came-from-the-suburbs/
https://www.brookings.edu/research/2018-voter-turnout-rose-dramatically-for-groups-favoring-democrats-census-confirms/
Don’t worry, Degen. You’ll still get to poke fun at all the pink hats.
Of some note:
Prior to the Politico leak, over the weekend and first thing Monday morning, Republicans had already begun circulating a letter and draft legislation in both chambers of Congress to pass a nationwide “heartbeat” bill banning abortion at six weeks, in anticipation of gaining control of the House and Senate next January.
This was planned. As long as “conservatives” have any power they’ll do this shit. Every time. Always.
If this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office.
Daydream too much, and let’s just say … too creative.
That was me in a nutshell.
Not that you’d especially want to
That’s me, too.
I recall reading some of Puddy’s earliest posts and he hadn’t yet created his persona yet. A conservative black Republican with a terminal case of ebonic speach. Fucking brilliant! I believed that what he what he was doing with that was truly hilarious and I immediately liked the guy. But I was here to warn people that the GOP was on a path to fascism and that they were all goatfuckers and pedos and to beat the fuck out of trolls. When I realized that Puddy was offended by my doing that to him, I immediately stopped because I liked him. Not so with the other trolls. No mercy.
I kid the doctor about the low IQ stuff. In his professional arena, I believe he’s likely a very fine radiologist. But once out of that arena, he can say some really dumbfuck shit. I see it in my work. When programming what a typical department in a hospital wants, it was always more productive to coordinate with the head nurse, always white and female, rather than with the department head, always a white male doctor.
I never needed to be there when a radiology department’s programming phase was taking place. I’d just let the architect inform the person representing the Radiology department know that, if they spent a little more more money, I could set it up s that, if they were ever in the future change from, say, GE to Siemens, they wouldn’t have to alter the power and cabling floor ducts and whatnot. Private sector hospital radiologists, being low IQ dumbfucks, always declined. For military hospitals like Madigan at Joint Base Lewis-McChord and David Grant hospital at Travis AFB near Fairfield, CA , that’s what they wanted for their radiology suites from the get-go.
@111 the usual stroke off like a monkey in a zoo evokes the usual laughter..
thanks again..
I recall reading some of Puddy’s earliest posts
I recall his FIRST post…
A piece of wankery about felons preferring to vote for Democrats that it linked to FREE FUCKING REPUBLIC..
But that’s not all… the AUTHORS of the wankery said the report’s methodology shouldn’t be taken seriously and that they were only illustrating something or stroking off or whatever..
When confronted with this, the babbling butthole said it read that, considered it. … and…
how about those Dem politicians talking to felons.. they’re talking to THEIR voters!
Eventually the team defending Gregoire’s victory in the 2004 election found enough felons voted for Rossi. Can’t remember if the judge struck those votes from Rossi’s final tally.
Hmmm. Fast forward to today..
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/convicted-florida-felons-allowed-vote-1st-time-presidential/story?id=73822173
I’m sure there’s plenty of felons that like dishonest yale/harvard fatboy DeSatanist’s style. Fatboy “speaks” to them.
So much for babbling butthole’s “legacy”..
@ 128
Can’t remember if the judge struck those votes from Rossi’s final tally.
I think Rossi lost three, which were Rossi votes the Rossi team self-reported as illegal. I do not recall that they were felons, and I don’t believe that the Rossi team would have access to those criminal records, at least not without a separate court battle.
@ 124
Republicans had already begun circulating a letter and draft legislation in both chambers of Congress to pass a nationwide “heartbeat” bill banning abortion at six weeks, in
anticipation of gaining control of the House and Senate next Januaryan effort to drive voter turnout in November.There will be at least one very close congressional election in IA this Fall, and there are gains to be made outside IA and OK (I’m reading Ernst and Lankford are involved in what you refer to).
What’s being done in Spring 2022 is for the midterms, not for what happens afterward.
The leak, too, is for the midterms, in a desperate effort by some short-sighted liberal pussy to minimize damage.
Looking forward to the first video of an abortionist stabbing a praying anti-abortion activist in broad daylight during a protest.
Gorsuch.
Kavanaugh.
Coney Barrett.
Think on yer sins, y’all libbies. It’s long past time for y’all to stop fawning @ 114 over that corrupt POS married to that other corrupt POS. She did this. She made it possible.
She gave y’all Donald Trump, who gave the GOP three solid conservative associate justices, who gave the GOP what it hoped for when it installed Trump as its standard-bearer.
Y’all chose poorly when it mattered. Y’all will pay for it for the rest of yer lives.
I don’t believe that the Rossi team would have access to those criminal records, at least not without a separate court battle.
Uhh.. degen.. the Dem team interviewed the felon voters under oath and they admitted to voting for Rossi.. Bridges accepted this evidence.
Indeed, the Democrats presented testimony from five of those felon voters, from precincts that had favored Gregoire, who had voted for Rossi or (in one case) Bennett. Democrats also presented evidence of 647 felon votes in precincts that had favored Rossi…
However, except for the five illegal voters who testified, Bridges ruled that there was no evidence showing for which, if any, gubernatorial candidate the 1,678 illegal votes were cast. Based on the proven illegal votes, Bridges deducted one vote from Bennett’s total and four from Rossi’s, so that Gregoire’s margin of victory actually increased to 133.
https://www.historylink.org/File/7405
So yes, dear degen, the proven felon voters for Rossi were subtracted from Rossi’s total. QED…
I don’t believe that the Rossi team would have access to those criminal records, at least not without a separate court battle.
Uhh.. degen.. the Dem team interviewed the felon voters under oath and they admitted to voting for Rossi.. Bridges accepted this evidence.
Indeed, the Democrats presented testimony from five of those felon voters, from precincts that had favored Gregoire, who had voted for Rossi or (in one case) Bennett. Democrats also presented evidence of 647 felon votes in precincts that had favored Rossi…
However, except for the five illegal voters who testified, Bridges ruled that there was no evidence showing for which, if any, gubernatorial candidate the 1,678 illegal votes were cast. Based on the proven illegal votes, Bridges deducted one vote from Bennett’s total and four from Rossi’s, so that Gregoire’s margin of victory actually increased to 133.
https://www.historylink.org/File/7405
So yes, dear degen, the proven felon voters for Rossi were subtracted from Rossi’s total. QED…
Roberts announces he will launch an investigation into the leak.
Which would not only put him on a collision course with plenty of Court history of leaking but also on a collision course with the First Amendment.
It’s not even clear if the leaker broke any law. And absent such a statute to cite, it’s hardly clear that the DOJ would have any legal authority to investigate The Court in this matter.
It is at least as likely that the leak is from one side as the other. It is even possible that the leak is from Roberts himself and this is just smoke. But it’s worth remembering that these clerks are some of the hardest working most talented legal minds in the United States. They certainly know their rights and protections in law. And it would be remarkable to imagine that some sort of compulsory interrogations could ever take place among these people without lengthy debate preceding it and without them all fully asserting their rights to decline such interrogation. A lot of The Court’s work goes on outside the view of the media and involves a close working relationship among not only the Justices, but also their clerks. An aggressive and potentially unlawful investigation into the clerks and staff could fracture the workings of The Court.
Roberts needs this investigation perhaps a whole lot more than America does. And maybe next time the 5 vote Gilead majority decides to strip away more individual citizen rights, they’ll convince Scalito to dummy up about it.
the 5 vote Gilead majority
So appropriate..
Welcome to the resistance gilead…
Fuck y’all..
@ 126
Private sector hospital radiologists, being low IQ dumbfucks, always declined. For military hospitals like Madigan at Joint Base Lewis-McChord and David Grant hospital at Travis AFB near Fairfield, CA , that’s what they wanted for their radiology suites from the get-go.
I’m not a contractor, nor a project manager. I have zero experience with military processes involved in bid awards and structure design.
What I can say is that in many radiology departments it is commonly the selected vendor for the imaging equipment which provides the electrical plans for the equipment they will install. If the radiology group (it’s sometimes fronted by a radiologist but, IME, more commonly a non-physician radiology department administrator) desires GE Medical equipment, it’s the GE Medical team that designs the plans so that its equipment will work properly once installed. GE Medical has no reason to ensure compatibility between its install and some decade-later change of horses to Philips, Siemens, Canon (formerly Toshiba), or the like. The technology is changing so quickly that GE’s install might not work with its own stuff a decade later. An example: CT scans are now so fast that a highly detailed scan can be completed faster than contrast medium travels through the arteries. CT study protocols had to be rewritten to “slow down” the study so that the human body’s intravascular velocity can keep pace with the equipment.
Part of the reason for decision-making that locks a department into the equipment offered by a single vendor is that the department likes and trusts that vendor. GE Medical has been solid for decades. Canon bought Toshiba out of bankruptcy.
Radiologists like GE Medical because of its track record. Administrators may choose Canon because they get a deal.
Choices, Steve. And BTW I think GE Medical and Canon each produce awesome imaging technology.
Could ultimately yield:
Kelly
Sinema
Warnock
Nelson
Fetterman
Beaseley
Filibuster
@131 What that list tell me is that Democrats were fools to think that Republicans had morals or values or any sense of fairness. For the rest of our lives, I hope Democratic politicians and Democratic voter will remember not to vote for or trust a republican.
@ 133
It’s not even clear if the leaker broke any law. And absent such a statute to cite, it’s hardly clear that the DOJ would have any legal authority to investigate The Court in this matter.
In which we learn that the sins of the leaker are really no different than those of Donald Trump.
And correct me if I am wrong, QoS McHillbilly, but is it not sometimes a DOJ investigation that is necessary to determine that there was no violation of law sufficient for a prosecutor bring the case to trial? I seem to remember the DOJ’s FBI involved in something like that a few years ago.
@ 137
For the rest of our lives, I hope Democratic politicians and Democratic voter will remember not to vote for or trust a republican.
Or a Clinton.
She’s running.
Perfect time for this quote, again.
Everyone has been brainwashed to think that Roe V Wade is about abortion when it’s not in the slightest. You can fight against abortion all you want but leave RvW alone. It’s about a woman’s right to choose, it’s about women’s civil rights, it’s about a woman no longer being the property of men. RvW set precedent for women’s rights that also include:
1. Keep her job if she was pregnant (1978)
2. Report cases of sexual harassment in the workplace until (1977)
3. Get a credit card & have a bank account without your husband’s permission (1974)
4. Get a drivers license without husband’s permission (1975)
5. Refuse to have sex with her husband (1993)
6. Get a divorce with some degree of ease without husband’s permission (1979)
Abortion is a good poverty-prevention tool. What’s so bad about avoiding poverty?
@ 143
Murdering the poor is a good poverty-prevention tool, too.
134,
“(T)he covert network preparing to circumvent restrictions.”
For a time, at least.
But I hasten to add that the numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of some degree of protected reproductive rights and opposed to blanket abortion bans. It really isn’t even that close, surprisingly in quite a few “deep red” states. Many people are conflicted and vague. But bottom line, forcing 13-year-olds to deliver their Daddy-Rape babies is not at all popular.
If Democrats in numbers and in states that count fail to turn out this year then that will decide the issue for quite a while. And that’s as it should be. If we don’t care, we don’t care.
However, there exists a massive pool of voters to draw upon. The challenge for Democrats has been trying to decode the electorate on the various issues and find the motivators to bring people to the polls. The numbers really are there. The Republican mid term “advantage” has been entirely predicated on a “swing” of EEN-DEE-PEN-DUNCE away from the party in power (really a shift in turnout), and higher enthusiasm in the out-party’s base. If this doesn’t overcome that, then nothing will nor should it. But the numbers are there.
2014 mid, Obama is under attack and is being seen as a disappointment to some on the far left. 2018 Trump is a humiliating shambles, and Moscow Mitch and Senate Republicans have just run train on Kavanaugh’s prom date. Lowest midterm turnout in modern history to highest turnout in modern history. And a total get of about 20 million votes for Dem candidates.
The numbers are there.
If they come out then all things are possible. Scalito is essentially calling upon elected officials to legislate the issue. Democrats can do that. They have the voters. They just have to turn out.
But if they don’t come out, if this isn’t motivating, if suburban women and younger voters decide to sit this out, then yes reproductive choice will go underground. But that won’t be easy. And lots of women will die. Because not only are Congressional Republicans preparing legislation imposing a nationwide ban (which Biden would veto and they could not override), but more than 20 states are preparing legislation to prohibit traveling out of state, etc. And they aren’t going to stop with abortion. They are going to keep right on going. They say so. They promise to. They will go after same sex marriage, trans healthcare, and LGBTQ civil rights. They are promising to do so.
None of that happens, none of it gets started if enough people turn out to oppose it. And there are more than enough people who do oppose it. It just a question of how much they give a shit.
@144 So greedy racist incel, 11 year old girls who get abortions after being raped, should they get life in prison, or the death penalty?
@139. Ok. But she’s not running for anything.
There are a whole lot more corrupt republicans than there are Clintons.
@140. Only in your fantasies.
@144. Also only in YOUR fantasies. You have never objected to a black person being killed by a cop. Not once.
@143. Republicans: If someone gets out of poverty, they might start to think they were equal to us.
In any event, better birth control practices would make a lot of these arguments moot. I took a look at abortions per 1,000 women over the period of 1973 through 2020. The peak rate was about 1979 to 1980. The rate has had a significant decline since then. In fact, the rate is about one half of the peak years.
It shows that better birth control means less abortions. Makes sense on every level to promote birth control, and let abortions continue as last-resort birth control. Why sign up for a life of poverty and struggle?
134)They only read the parts they liked. I read the sequel, they won’t like the Epilogue, describes the impact of the info Offred’s daughters smuggled out. Plus, can’t compare Aunt Lydia to Barrett. Aunt Lydia turns on Gillead, after collecting a lot of secrets.
forcing 13-year-olds to deliver their Daddy-Rape babies is not at all popular.
Oh that’s a big hit with freeks like degen.. talk about risk of dying in childbirth..
That must get a big “rise” at the widbee vip lounge.
And it’s really “deflating” when a shitstain like Abbott says it’s gonna round up all the rapists..
but wink.. wink.. the “rapists” will all be black and brown.. wtf cares about unprocessed rape kits?
Prospects “rising” anew at the always wrong wing vip lounges..
You’re wrong.
DOJ is not allowed to go fishing. FBI gets caught doing it sometimes, a little bit. But suggesting that sending FBI agents in to interrogate SCOTUS clerks would be “little” is like suggesting that your phenomenal stupidity about how the law works is “little”.
These aren’t anti-war hippies or Black Panthers or Earth Firsters.
These are the elite legal grooms to the most powerful and influential judges on planet earth. They all graduate at the top of their classes and edit the reviews in the most exclusive and challenging law schools. And you probably didn’t know this (because stupid) but SCOTUS clerks move in and out. Generally they are appointed for a limited term. Recent years have seen the rise of a professional class of senior clerks who are retained. But they are the minority. So they are connected – to judges, to other courts, to white shoe firms and prestigious law schools, to powerful state and national law makers, to families and bar associations. They have pull. And they won’t sit for interviews with civil service goons who graduated from Seattle University or Pepperdine without a lawyer present, without their full legal protections, and without assurance that the inquiry is lawful and in compliance with statutes and regulations empowering and controlling the inquiring agency.
The authoritarian admiration for asymmetrical confrontation does not favor the FBI or the DOJ in this case.
But who know? Maybe somebody will just confess?
149,
You need to understand the issues better, or you need to understand politicians and public figures better. Take your pick. I don’t really care which. But if you are going to continue to trust the politicians and public figures you trust and misunderstand the issues as badly as you so frequently do, then you are going to continue to act against your own self-interest more than you realize.
The fundamental principle that Associate Justice Scalito says he and the majority are reversing in this leaked decision is they very same legal, “constitutional” right protecting access to birth control.
The.
Exact.
Same.
And we know that the same groups and individuals, including EVERY REPUBLICAN YOU KNOW, who have fought so hard to get to this day rejecting a “right to privacy” have every intention of extending it’s reasoning to allowing state restrictions on access to birth control, because they say they do.
Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
then yes reproductive choice will go underground. But that won’t be easy.
Already has I’d say.. Half or more of all abortions are already medication-based..
No one wants to run the freek gauntlet at a clinic. Procedures albeit safe have always been invasive and unpleasant.
Then there’s all the hoops and obstacles that red states have imposed.
But yes, we can hope this turn of events puts the torch to apathy. And makes the degens of the world cry.
@131
You keep harping on your masturbatory fantasy that those three Associate Justices are Hillary’s fault. Wrong. Those three AJs are a result of Mitch McConnell and his Republican henchmen.
We had a Democrat as a POTUS and an open seat on the SCOUTS, Mitch refused to have a hearing (his option as majority leader of the Senate), Hillary had nothing to do with it. Mitch forced a quick confirmation hearing when “his guy” was close to getting booted, again, his choice as leader of the Senate Majority. Mitch chose to play politics. The leak is a direct result of Mitch’s political choices.
I never want to hear from your side any ramblings about “activist judges”, your side has now definitively owned that moniker.
Wonder what Susan Collins is going to do now? If anyone is to blame for your Three Stooges of the SCOUTS, it is her.
The issue is simple: those who want abortions should get them. Those who don’t want abortions shouldn’t. The government should not be part of the decisions.
Would you call that a “right to privacy”?
As always, she will continue to vote with her Republican party right up until she retires in 2027.
There is no “pivot”. Republicans do not “pivot”.
@156
Time for you to fall on your sword.
You are correct, those that want an abortion should be able to get one, those that don’t, shouldn’t get one.
The problem is, there are people that want to make women criminals if they do want to get an abortion. That is simply wrong in my book.
This is the correct response.
Liberal daddies in California can remain free to fuck their 11 year-old daughters bareback while mommy sleeps in the next room, secure in the knowledge that no-questions-asked abortions will get them out of hot water.
States’ rights, dude. Everyone but The Even Bigger Fucking Moron gets it.
@158
Collins got played by AJ Fratboy, she was too stupid to realize it at the time. The rest of us knew better.
Doesn’t matter what Susan Collins does now. Neither Manchin nor Sinema will vote to end the filibuster.
Collins is a non-issue.
@162
I don’t think they should vote to end the filibuster in the first place.
Collins is worthless anyway.
If it’s OK to joke about killing two SCOTUS justices I suppose there’s no problem joking about killing the president and the vice president.
Amirite?
It’s been years since Goldy has been original. It’s been awhile since he’s been funny, too.
What Goldy wrote @ 164. That’s what Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit has always meant when he has spewed, “Liberals must arm.”
Sinema would stand to lose about a half million votes in her next election if she substantially blocked reproductive rights legislation in the Senate.
The key word is “substantially”. When she no longer has Joe Manchin’s petticoats to hide behind she may “modify” her opinion on the Senate debate rules.
I personally wouldn’t want such legislation to pass in this Congress before November. But I’d sure be disappointed if it wasn’t put to a very, very hotly debated and drawn out public vote this summer.
Let Manchin be Manchin.
161,
Gosh, if he lied right to her face in the privacy of her office, I wonder what else he lied about?
The abortion thing is settled law. Get one or not – just keep the cost of the decision to yourself and don’t involve me in funding it.
@ 166
When she no longer has Joe Manchin’s petticoats to hide behind she may “modify” her opinion on the Senate debate rules.
There are several more moderate Senate Democrats who have hidden behind the petticoats of Manchin and Sinema for the past 15 months.
Don’t think that flipping Sinema makes all the difference in the world. It flushes others out into the open.
When the final opinion is dropped, assuming no changes, Arizona has two years to craft and pass legislation reinforcing the legality of in-state abortions (AZ already has a law permitting abortions up to 15 weeks or pregnancy). If Sinema throws her weight behind that, and I expect she will, those half-million votes will stay with her.
In 2024 she’ll have the prospect of President DeSantis as part of her re-election campaign, and there will be a GOP Senate. Protecting the filibuster will make far more sense then.
Biggest mistake I made was not paying for it….
Now I pay for it daily.
@128 “Eventually the team defending Gregoire’s victory in the 2004 election found enough felons voted for Rossi. Can’t remember if the judge struck those votes from Rossi’s final tally.”
Rossi’s cherrypicked Republican judge (John E. Bridges), holding court in a cherrypicked Republican county (Chelan), subtracted 4 votes from Rossi’s total. He went to court 129 votes behind and came out 133 votes behind. The GOP having spent $2 million on the election challenge lawsuit, Republicans paid $500,000 for each vote subtracted from his total.
Bridges also struck a vote from Libertarian candidate Ruth Bennett’s final total. He found it was not proven that Gregoire received any illegal votes.
He did find that a significant number of felons — far more than Gregoire’s margin of victory — had voted. In most cases, however, they did so inadvertently. There was much confusion at the time over which felons were eligible to vote; even parole officers and county election officers gave out wrong advice.
We have two pieces of evidence concerning who those felons voted for. First, 4 affidavits by felons whose votes were illegal were submitted to Judge Bridges. All 4 voted for Rossi. That was the basis of Bridges subtracting 4 votes from Rossi’s total.
Second, a newspaper reporter (from Tacoma News Tribune, as I recall) interviewed 11 more felons whose votes were illegal and who were willing to say who they voted for, 10 males and 1 female. All 10 males said they voted for Rossi. The female said she voted for Gregoire.
The heart of Rossi’s legal case was data from New Jersey (as I recall) purporting to show that felons (in that state, it should be noted) tended to overwhelmingly vote Democratic. Judge Bridges rejected this “evidence” as not probative of how the more than 1100 ineligible felons had voted in Washington’s gubernatorial election. (Cherrypicking again; note that those results would’ve been different if Republicans had used data from, say, Alaska or Idaho or Utah.)
Following this fiasco, the legislature cleaned up Washington’s confusing felon voting laws.
Pearl clutching dudes sitting in a fake living room on FOX today:
“This unprecedented and treasonous leak will shatter the credibility and majesty of the Supreme Court!”
Ginni Thomas on her Twitter today:
“I have Q-Sources that can PROVE that the Bamboo Fibers trace directly to a secret Chinese lab staffed by Lizard People sent to destroy Our Beloved President Trump!”
Fuck me. Talk about shark jumping.
@129 “I think Rossi lost three, which were Rossi votes the Rossi team self-reported as illegal.”
This is not correct. See #171.
The GOP having spent $2 million on the election challenge
I seem to remember the GOP stiffed DWT of at least a good portion if not all of that bill.
Typical.
@130 “The leak, too, is for the midterms, in a desperate effort by some short-sighted liberal pussy to minimize damage.”
This is at least the second time in this thread you’ve gone off about who leaked the draft, with zero facts to back you up.
But if we’re going to keep playing this speculation game, then how about this: Alito leaked it himself to test the public reaction and/or to break an impasse among the conservative justices, several of whom testified under oath in their confirmation hearings that they would not overturn settled precedent even if it was “wrongly decided.”
As good a theory as any other.
@131 Blaming Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett on Hillary again, huh?
I don’t see any daylight between that and blaming a rape on the woman who was raped by accusing her of wearing “a skirt that was too short.”
Steve was right about your IQ. It’s getting shorter by the minute, and heading for double digits.
Always wrong wing daddies in red states can remain free to fuck their 11 year-old daughters bareback while mommy sleeps in the next room, secure in the knowledge that their herr dicktor buddy at the vip lounge will get them out of hot water.
ftfy…
@132 IIRC the 1,678 figure refers to the total number of ineligible votes, not felon votes. IIRC there were ~1,100 of the latter.
@172
I bet Bob comes out and says Clarence Thomas’ refusal to recuse himself from Roe V. Wade has nothing to do with the leak. He will then point to Kagan’s refusal to recuse on ACA cases, again, a false flag. I’ve stated before, I feel both should recuse from their respective case subjects. Ginni is a pox on the SCOTUS and Clarence allows it and Roberts has tolerated it, until now.
The real issue is Roberts Court is a clown show because they justices fail to do what is correct and proper. Add in Mitch’s politicizing of the court and we are here today because (not because of Hillary) the conservative movement has been eroding the third branch for a very long time.
The 2004 election was decided by the second recount, i.e. the hand recount. Most counties were able to hand-count their ballots in 1-2 days. King County, being much larger, needed 2 weeks, and was the last county to report. So it came down to King County’s totals.
I was standing next to Dean Logan, the King County elections director, when the final tally was posted. There were 5 of us standing in front of that whiteboard next to Logan, so I was one of the first half-dozen people in the state to see that number. I knew what it was before Gregoire did, before her campaign team did, before any of the lawyers did, before the media did.
After the final county reported its hand recount results, Gregoire led by 8 votes.
There were still several hundred disputed ballots in the hands of the King County Canvassing Board, the majority of which were ultimately counted. Both candidates picked up more votes from the canvassing board tally, but Gregoire got 125 more than Rossi did. As it was assumed the canvassing board results would favor her, and all the other canvassing boards had already reported, when I saw that 8-vote lead I knew Gregoire had won. She knew before she did, but I wasn’t the rabbit who told her. She wasn’t in the building at the time.
Ooohh this is a good one..
DeSa[ta]ntis[t] Faith Advisor Jeff Ford resigned from teaching high school when his sexual relationship with a student was discovered. Not criminal because she was of age, but still an abuse of power & position. He is Gov. Desantis’ faith advisor
Praise be…
Heh. Reminds me of teh babblin’ butthole’s “advocacy” for the perv Foley – who groomed young male flesh but waited until they were of age to take “the plunge”.. Heh.. Yeah, I will NEVER miss that freak.
Here’s how Rossi lost the 2004 election. After the initial Election Day vote count showed Rossi ahead, the Democrats mobilized a campaign to validate ballots with signature problems. They enlisted 6,000 people around the state, mostly union members, to go door to door contacting voters whose ballots needed a signature to be counted. (This is legal.) This was difficult work; I spent 2 weeks doorbelling to get 2 signatures; 99.8% of the people weren’t home. One of those signatures was of a lawyer who worked for the Perkins Coie law firm representing the Democrats; his wife invited me in, and I waited for him to come home from work. The other was a woman in multimillion-dollar Issaquah house of the sort that car dealers live in, who had signed her ballot with a scribble; she was neurotic as hell, but more than happy to sign the signature card for me.
The Democrats also set up a phone bank to contact these voters by phone and encourage them to go to the election office to sign a signature card. We were instructed to tell them there was a problem with their ballot, ask them if they voted for Gregoire, and if they said yes, explain the problem and encourage them to go to the election office or have someone come to them; and if they said they voted for Rossi, to thank them for their time and hang up without explaining their vote wouldn’t be counted unless they cured the signature problem. I wouldn’t do that; when I had a Rossi voter on the line, I told them the same thing I told the Gregoire voters, but I was struck by how indifferent they were; none of the ones I talked to showed any interest in solving the problem and having their votes counted. They either didn’t care or said they were too busy.
But that’s not how Rossi lost. The Republicans were very slow to get their signature drive off the ground, and didn’t have the Democrats’ manpower, but nevertheless they collected over 300 signatures. The Democrats had over 1,000, and the validation rate ran about 70% (in other words, Gregoire gained over 700 votes from the signature drive). Assuming a similar validation rate for the signature cards the Rossi campaign had in hand, he would’ve got over 200 more votes if they had turned those signature cards in to King County Elections.
They didn’t. Their high-priced lawyers from Davis Wright Tremaine told them not to. They were arguing a case before the state Supreme Court in which they were trying to have the Democrats’ signature cards thrown out, and felt it would weaken their argument if their side submitted signature cards. They lost that argument in court, and with it — and due to their bad advice — the election.
The bottom line is that Rossi a few dozen more legal votes in 2004 than Gregoire did, but his legal advisers chose not to have some of those votes counted.
The person who told me about this was Jenny Durkan, the lead lawyer on the Democratic legal team in the Chelan lawsuit; and the time and place where she told me was at Gregoire’s private victory party in the governor’s mansion in Olympia, where I was one of about 125 invited guests.
I wasn’t on that legal team, but what I am telling you here is very inside information, from the horse’s mouth so to speak. Neigh, whinny … horse laugh. Rossi was stupid. His lawyers were even stupider.
@174 I don’t recall hearing that, but you might be right. DWT dissolved soon afterward.
when I had a Rossi voter on the line, I told them the same thing I told the Gregoire voters, but I was struck by how indifferent they were; none of the ones I talked to showed any interest in solving the problem and having their votes counted. They either didn’t care or said they were too busy.
Little wonder Dino 4-time Lossi’d… Or was it 5 times.. I’ve lost count.
What I remember about the machine recount, which was in a building on First Avenue, was the private jets overhead in the Boeing Field landing pattern. Many, many private jets. And then a short time later guys in suits would be out in the parking lot.
All the press briefings were held in the parking lot. I can personally attest that Chris Vance, then King County GOP chair, never once was inside the building during the first recount. However, he was out in the parking lot briefing reporters about what he claimed was going on inside the building nearly every day. On one of those occasions, I pretended to be a reporter, and asked him (a fairly innocuous) question, while quietly laughing inside, because I knew he didn’t know a damn thing about what was happening in the building.
The hand recount was moved to a building at Boeing Field that had more space. It was available because the county owned the building. It’s the same building where Gary Ridgeway was questioned in the basement about where the bodies were, although I never saw the room, because the basement was locked. The recount was conducted in a big room on the first floor, and the party break rooms were up on the second floor. The Democrats had a tiny room with no coffeepot or food; the Republicans, who had more money, had a much larger room, and I could get free coffee and donuts there, and shoot the breeze with the Republican guys. They knew I wasn’t one of theirs, but they were very congenial, in fact I was invited there.
Things were different in those days. We disagreed on politics, and supported opposing candidates, but didn’t hate each other. It was a business, and we got along as fellow competitors.
I could write a book about the 2004 election. I was in the middle of it, from start to finish.
175,
The Court’s own history would support that theory.
In 1977 CJ Burger was delaying publication of a 5-3 decision to decline review of appeals in Watergate convictions. Burger was delaying in order to lobby moderates to vote with his side in favor of review to bail out his Nixon pals. NPR reported the results of the vote in advance of the announcement which ended CJ Burger’s efforts. He was of course furious.
It’s possible that in this case Roberts was working the recent appointees who had promised not to overturn precedent in their confirmations. Alito might then have chosen to leak the draft in order to force them to side with him. We may never know.
BTW, Burger didn’t call the FBI. He just spent his final ten years before retiring to inactive status in fights with OPM and implementing an unworkable and infantilizing system of rules for clerks that was later dismantled by his successor.
Also, Roberts hasn’t called the FBI. That’s a FOX-Village-Idiot fantasy. The Marshall of The Court, Gail Curley, who oversees a staff of a couple of hundred glorified security guards, will be saddled with exorcising Robert’s anger.
The clerks must be absolutely terrified.
Profiles in 2022 hypocrisy:
“A law regulating abortion, like other health and welfare laws, is entitled to a strong presumption of validity. It must be sustained if there is a rational basis on which the legislature could have thought that it would serve legitimate state interests.”
Unless that law has to do with wearing a mask, social distancing, preventing the spread of deadly infectious virus, or getting vaccinated.
There is very good information to be gained from paying attention to the things Republicans claim.
They lie.
Pretty much all the time about everything.
I could write a book about the 2004 election. I was in the middle of it, from start to finish.
Better you than that raging a-hole Sharkansky.
Remember when he came here to HA and thought you were Dean Logan? What a.. fill in the blank…
Talk about obsessed..
@188 I saw Dean Logan every day, and exchanged small talk with him now and then (just “good morning, how are you?” stuff), but I wasn’t (and still am not) him. I was JAFO. (Doc will know what this means if he’s watched “Blue Thunder.”)
I never met Sharansky in person, and certainly not at the recounts. He wasn’t there. And I knew who was, and was not, there — because there was a sign-in book where you had to enter your name to get into the building, and part of my job as a JAFO was knowing who came and went.
Chris Vance, King County GOP chair who held daily press conferences in the parking lot, never once signed that book.
Stefan Sharansky, who daily blogged about the recounts, never did either.
Vance at least got as close as the parking lot outside. Sharansky, as far as I know, never got closer than the courthouse where he sued King County taxpayers because the Elections Department missed 600 pages of the 600,000 documents he demands under the Public Records Act, for which he got $225,000 (which I understand went to his lawyers, not him).
He’s apparently sucking on the UW tit now.
https://stat.uw.edu/about-us/people/stefan-sharkansky-0
Except, you know, for the ones who fly planes into buildings.
Yeah, as though liberals would ever condone such a thing. An asswipe fucking traitor is what you are.
Now, on the other hand, if your raging orange moron had successfully stolen the election and had left NATO and formed an alliance with Russia, China, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia, you’d be here fucking crowing about it, and you know it you fucking low IQ traitor.
And when Ukraine, Poland and Finland fell to Russia, China takes Taiwan, North Korea was invading South Korea, your stupid fucking raging orange moron declares war against Canada and Mexico, and democracy was on the verge of extinction, you would be here fucking crowing about that, too.
You’re a stupid fucking Putin loving traitor and everybody here fucking knows it.
190,
That must be why I always say Huck the Fuskies.