Sounds like a good plan to me. I’ll start it off …
Would any heiresses like to chat?
3
YLBspews:
1 – Not what that article says dumbass.
The majority of racists ran to your dumbass party and that ugly party welcomed them with open arms.
That ugly party is the REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Change your handle moron. Then again don’t. The one typo off style in your handle is typical of thieves, spammers and mouth-breathing porn site operators.
Democratic Mayor Greg Nickels details new homeless encampment plan: “If those lazy bums are still there in 72 hours, we will destroy their camp.”
5
rhp6033spews:
Gee, I see “rhp6034” is back, hoping to confuse people by choosing a screen name slightly similiar to my own. I bet when he was in school, he turned in other people’s work as his own, too. That would explain why he has such a shallow knowledge base, and has to rely upon propoganda pieces spoon-fed to him from Republican talking points.
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rhp6033spews:
Wow. The Wall Street Journal, and George Will (hardly bastions of liberalism) have launched some rather scorching accounts of McCain’s leadership skills, especially with respect to the economy. You can read about in George Will’s column today. The entire article is worth reading, in order to understand the relationshiop between McCain, the SEC Chief Cox, and McCain’s economic advisor Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former head of the Congressional Budget Office when the Republicans were in charge of Congress. The Wall Street Journal basts McCain for “unfairly” blaming Cox for the crisis, and Will points out that McCain’s statement that he would fire Cox (a President doesn’t have that authority” is reminiscent of the Queen of Hearts in “Alice in Wonderland” of using “off with their heads” as a the solution to every problem.
The central issue is not just McCain’s “Ready, fire, aim” approach, but his tendency to consider anyone who doesn’t agree with him as “corrupt” or “a betrayer of the public trust”. This doesn’t portend well for the leader of a democracy.
“Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.
It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?”
I remember in 1978, when Republicans were gleefully circulating a George Will column predicting the end of the Clinton administration, accompanied with praises for George Will’s “objectivity”, “fairness”, and “astute observations”. Are they now going to claim that George Will is too biased for his opinions to be considered?
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
Today’s Rasmussen:
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows the race for the White House is tied once again—Barack Obama attracts 48% of the vote and so does John McCain. Both men are now viewed favorably by 54%.
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Mr. Cynicalspews:
I think a lot of voters have made up their minds on this.
I foolishly watched Chris Matthews last night for a few minutes. He had 2 Black Liberals on at the same time discussing racist white people who won’t vote for O-blah-blah because he is black.
Funny, they never once discussed the 90% racist Black voters who will vote for O-blah-blah because he is black and not for McCain because he is white.
What a joke Matthews is!!
Unfair and Unbalanced!!
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rhp6033spews:
Slight correction: the first paragraph of the blockquote was included in the blockquote in error. That was my own commentary, not part of the quote from Will’s column (as the quotation markes correctly indicate).
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YLBspews:
It’s pretty sad that people are apparently buying McSame’s soundbites and ignoring or not seeing how he’s flip-flopped like a dying fish in response to the Republican-fanned crises.
I mean McSame is the chief “de-regulator” right? No one, I mean NO ONE has “de-regulated” more?
Except for Phil Gramm of course.
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rhp6033spews:
I was fully prepared for some sort of rescue package for the mortgage industry. With previous opportunities to stop the free-fall having passed by with the Bush administration giving it more than a passing nod, SOMETHING has to be done to allow the market to find it’s “floor”.
But with yesterday’s revelations of the details of the Administration approval, I’m the one who’s “floored”. In short, the Bush administration wants Congress to give the White House broad authority to buy up any debt, including mortgage, credit card, or car loans, using taxpayer money, based only upon – well, the fact that the administration wants to do it. The Treasury Dept. would then execute the purchases and inform Congress only about it later – three months after the first purchases, and then every six months thereafter.
Okay, technically, the Treasury Secty and the President would need to issue a finding that such a purchase was necessary to provide stability to the markets, but let’s face it – that’s no real limitation. It would give the President unrestrained ability to control the stock market based upon political considerations. Need to give the economy a boost prior to an election? Have the treasury dept. step in and buy some bad loans, and inform Congress about it – well after the election!
Among the really terrible ideas included in this plan, is the statement that the 750 billion authorization may be “just the start” and more money will probably be needed later, that the Bush administration is insisting on no limits on no oversight by Congress or the courts, and further insisting that no limitations be placed on the salaries or bonuses of the executives who’s firms are being rescued in this massive bailout.
Talk about a blank check!!!!! Only a fool would sign that agreement. But Bush is trying tactic he used after 9/11 and with respect to the Iraq War, claiming that the crisis demands immediate acceptance of the proposal on his terms, with the threat that if Congress doesn’t surrender to his will immediatly, then all blame for the financial crisis will transfer from him to them.
So in Congress, you are seening some strange groups form, some of which are extremely partison, both others are non-partison. You have the neo-cons and liberals who are against the bailouts for different closely-held philosophical reasons, odd partners in this one issue. You have other Republican partisons who can barely contain their anticipation that any Democratic delay, changes, or refusals will give them the opportunity to dump all blame for the current mess on the Democrats, thus removing (they hope) a burdensome yoke from their necks in the minds of voters. You have some partison Democrats who want to vote down the plan because they don’t want to do anything which rescues Bush from the mess he made. And then you have the majority of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, who want to come up with SOME plan, but disagree on the details and are working hard to put SOMETHING together as soon as possible.
After Congress giving Bush a “blank check” after 9/11 only to see him misuse it to spy on Americans and to turn a tragedy into partison political advantage; and after giving him a “blank check” before the Iraq War only to find out that most of what the Bush administration said was a lie; Congress would be extremely foolish to rush to approval of this plan. It would be better for them to suspend trading on Wall Street for a week or two (as was done after 9/11) and do the job right, than to rush to approve the Bush administration’s plan.
12
rhp6033spews:
Hmm, “rhp6034” in Comment # 1 changed to “NOT rhp”. Was that Goldy doing some editing? If so, thanks!
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ArtFartspews:
11 I’m still waiting for the real punch line, which I expect to be the claim that we must immediately sacrifice Social Security and maybe Federal pensions (except–snort!–for Congress) in order to “stabilize” the economy.
14
blue johnspews:
Funny, they never once discussed the Black voters who will vote for Obama because he is black and not for McCain because he is white.
No. They are voting for Obama because he’s BETTER than mccain and the policies mccain promotes. Why would the 98% that are not billionaires vote against their economic self interest?
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Daddy Lovespews:
8 Cyn
racist white people who won’t vote for O-blah-blah because he is black.
We call them “Republicans.”
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Johnspews:
I sorta supported the welfare bill however,
today no way. I’ll be dammed if I’m going to pay for wall st. mistakes until they pay me for mine. The real estate problems tough, I had my own problems pay the house payments 40 years ago and never ask for any help if they lose their homes so let it be.
I heard a good comment. With 700 billion dollars, couldn’t they pay off the mortgage of every homeowner in the US? Where is the money going?
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Daddy Lovespews:
18 BJ
I hear Thom Hartmann today on AA radio break it down thus:
It is reported now that some 8.8 percent of American homeowners are late with their mortgage payments or in foreclosure. That 8.8% translates roughly to 4 million American hoiuseholds, and that $700 billion would pay each household $175,000.
Such payments would probably bring most of those people out of trouble, which would then stabilize home prices and make the mortgages backing “mortgage-backed securities” worth something as well, stopping the current cycle of MBS’s spiraling into worthlessness.
Seemed worth considering to me. I’d rather my neighbors keep their homes than seeingt that the CEO of Goldman Sachs still gets an adequate golden parachute.
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markspews:
I lost some big money on a venture back in the
early nineties. Should I wait by the mailbox
for a check to help me out?y
21
Reformed republicanspews:
Yeah Mark, hope it stays sunny out there for you. Good luck!
22
Reformed republicanspews:
Looks like a key centerpiece of the Bush bailout is to save the golden parachutes for CEOs and to allow any company with ANY bad debt to get a free republican government ride.
Yup – the free market advocates revert to helping the rich as soon as possible. Without correcting ANY of the problems that led to the free market meltdown to begin with. Talk about NOT learning a lesson.
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Johnspews:
More Republicans are falling away from this bailout. President G.W. Bush, God Bless him is a compassionate conservative. Too many of us are calling into Washington complaining.
The only ones left holding the bag of money will be Democrats.
Let’s see how they squirm over their past failures on this and throw good money on a bad deal.
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Alexspews:
Acorn is protesting that they need more of the bailout cash for people who can’t afford to pay loans due to a slack in the economy.
If the Democrats pass this bailout for Wall Street and ACORN then it should be fine to start robbing banks with no violation of law.
Just heard on Komo the FBI is investigation Fannie and Freddie.
Also part of the Democrat bill will be rushed through due to this new revelation and will have provisions to stop the FBI investigation, looking back on democrat history this may happen again I hope not.
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Andyspews:
GREAT NEWS!
FBI investigates how this started.
200 billion just to to bail out Freddie and Fannie.
Countrywide included in the FBI investigation
I smell and see DemoRATS running for cover.
Could be the 2nd OCTOBER Surprise.
Will or has the FBI interview Frank,Dood and NOBAMA?
Democrats please take your time on your bailout.
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Blue Johnspews:
Was watching Anderson cooper 360. They raised a maddening point.
We won’t be able to afford to have health care, or improve education or fix our infrastructure because we have to bail out rich corrupt businessmen who cheated and economically raped us, and now we have save them. Bastards.
NOT rhp spews:
Too bad Dems won’t get a chance to implement any economic plan, because they’re too self admitedly racist.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....rcent.html
Troll spews:
Sounds like a good plan to me. I’ll start it off …
Would any heiresses like to chat?
YLB spews:
1 – Not what that article says dumbass.
The majority of racists ran to your dumbass party and that ugly party welcomed them with open arms.
That ugly party is the REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Change your handle moron. Then again don’t. The one typo off style in your handle is typical of thieves, spammers and mouth-breathing porn site operators.
Troll spews:
Democratic Mayor Greg Nickels details new homeless encampment plan: “If those lazy bums are still there in 72 hours, we will destroy their camp.”
rhp6033 spews:
Gee, I see “rhp6034” is back, hoping to confuse people by choosing a screen name slightly similiar to my own. I bet when he was in school, he turned in other people’s work as his own, too. That would explain why he has such a shallow knowledge base, and has to rely upon propoganda pieces spoon-fed to him from Republican talking points.
rhp6033 spews:
Wow. The Wall Street Journal, and George Will (hardly bastions of liberalism) have launched some rather scorching accounts of McCain’s leadership skills, especially with respect to the economy. You can read about in George Will’s column today. The entire article is worth reading, in order to understand the relationshiop between McCain, the SEC Chief Cox, and McCain’s economic advisor Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former head of the Congressional Budget Office when the Republicans were in charge of Congress. The Wall Street Journal basts McCain for “unfairly” blaming Cox for the crisis, and Will points out that McCain’s statement that he would fire Cox (a President doesn’t have that authority” is reminiscent of the Queen of Hearts in “Alice in Wonderland” of using “off with their heads” as a the solution to every problem.
McCain acts like flustered rookie
I remember in 1978, when Republicans were gleefully circulating a George Will column predicting the end of the Clinton administration, accompanied with praises for George Will’s “objectivity”, “fairness”, and “astute observations”. Are they now going to claim that George Will is too biased for his opinions to be considered?
Mr. Cynical spews:
Today’s Rasmussen:
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows the race for the White House is tied once again—Barack Obama attracts 48% of the vote and so does John McCain. Both men are now viewed favorably by 54%.
Mr. Cynical spews:
I think a lot of voters have made up their minds on this.
I foolishly watched Chris Matthews last night for a few minutes. He had 2 Black Liberals on at the same time discussing racist white people who won’t vote for O-blah-blah because he is black.
Funny, they never once discussed the 90% racist Black voters who will vote for O-blah-blah because he is black and not for McCain because he is white.
What a joke Matthews is!!
Unfair and Unbalanced!!
rhp6033 spews:
Slight correction: the first paragraph of the blockquote was included in the blockquote in error. That was my own commentary, not part of the quote from Will’s column (as the quotation markes correctly indicate).
YLB spews:
It’s pretty sad that people are apparently buying McSame’s soundbites and ignoring or not seeing how he’s flip-flopped like a dying fish in response to the Republican-fanned crises.
I mean McSame is the chief “de-regulator” right? No one, I mean NO ONE has “de-regulated” more?
Except for Phil Gramm of course.
rhp6033 spews:
I was fully prepared for some sort of rescue package for the mortgage industry. With previous opportunities to stop the free-fall having passed by with the Bush administration giving it more than a passing nod, SOMETHING has to be done to allow the market to find it’s “floor”.
But with yesterday’s revelations of the details of the Administration approval, I’m the one who’s “floored”. In short, the Bush administration wants Congress to give the White House broad authority to buy up any debt, including mortgage, credit card, or car loans, using taxpayer money, based only upon – well, the fact that the administration wants to do it. The Treasury Dept. would then execute the purchases and inform Congress only about it later – three months after the first purchases, and then every six months thereafter.
Okay, technically, the Treasury Secty and the President would need to issue a finding that such a purchase was necessary to provide stability to the markets, but let’s face it – that’s no real limitation. It would give the President unrestrained ability to control the stock market based upon political considerations. Need to give the economy a boost prior to an election? Have the treasury dept. step in and buy some bad loans, and inform Congress about it – well after the election!
Among the really terrible ideas included in this plan, is the statement that the 750 billion authorization may be “just the start” and more money will probably be needed later, that the Bush administration is insisting on no limits on no oversight by Congress or the courts, and further insisting that no limitations be placed on the salaries or bonuses of the executives who’s firms are being rescued in this massive bailout.
Talk about a blank check!!!!! Only a fool would sign that agreement. But Bush is trying tactic he used after 9/11 and with respect to the Iraq War, claiming that the crisis demands immediate acceptance of the proposal on his terms, with the threat that if Congress doesn’t surrender to his will immediatly, then all blame for the financial crisis will transfer from him to them.
So in Congress, you are seening some strange groups form, some of which are extremely partison, both others are non-partison. You have the neo-cons and liberals who are against the bailouts for different closely-held philosophical reasons, odd partners in this one issue. You have other Republican partisons who can barely contain their anticipation that any Democratic delay, changes, or refusals will give them the opportunity to dump all blame for the current mess on the Democrats, thus removing (they hope) a burdensome yoke from their necks in the minds of voters. You have some partison Democrats who want to vote down the plan because they don’t want to do anything which rescues Bush from the mess he made. And then you have the majority of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, who want to come up with SOME plan, but disagree on the details and are working hard to put SOMETHING together as soon as possible.
After Congress giving Bush a “blank check” after 9/11 only to see him misuse it to spy on Americans and to turn a tragedy into partison political advantage; and after giving him a “blank check” before the Iraq War only to find out that most of what the Bush administration said was a lie; Congress would be extremely foolish to rush to approval of this plan. It would be better for them to suspend trading on Wall Street for a week or two (as was done after 9/11) and do the job right, than to rush to approve the Bush administration’s plan.
rhp6033 spews:
Hmm, “rhp6034” in Comment # 1 changed to “NOT rhp”. Was that Goldy doing some editing? If so, thanks!
ArtFart spews:
11 I’m still waiting for the real punch line, which I expect to be the claim that we must immediately sacrifice Social Security and maybe Federal pensions (except–snort!–for Congress) in order to “stabilize” the economy.
blue john spews:
No. They are voting for Obama because he’s BETTER than mccain and the policies mccain promotes. Why would the 98% that are not billionaires vote against their economic self interest?
Daddy Love spews:
8 Cyn
We call them “Republicans.”
John spews:
I sorta supported the welfare bill however,
today no way. I’ll be dammed if I’m going to pay for wall st. mistakes until they pay me for mine. The real estate problems tough, I had my own problems pay the house payments 40 years ago and never ask for any help if they lose their homes so let it be.
Daddy Love spews:
Today’s national polls:
Sep 23 Hotline/Diageo
Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 43%
Sep 23 Hotline/Diageo
Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 43%
Sep 23 ARG
Obama (D) 48%, McCain (R) 46%
Sep 23 Res. 2000
Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 43%
Sep 23 Rasmussen
Obama (D) 48%, McCain (R) 48%
blue john spews:
I heard a good comment. With 700 billion dollars, couldn’t they pay off the mortgage of every homeowner in the US? Where is the money going?
Daddy Love spews:
18 BJ
I hear Thom Hartmann today on AA radio break it down thus:
It is reported now that some 8.8 percent of American homeowners are late with their mortgage payments or in foreclosure. That 8.8% translates roughly to 4 million American hoiuseholds, and that $700 billion would pay each household $175,000.
Such payments would probably bring most of those people out of trouble, which would then stabilize home prices and make the mortgages backing “mortgage-backed securities” worth something as well, stopping the current cycle of MBS’s spiraling into worthlessness.
Seemed worth considering to me. I’d rather my neighbors keep their homes than seeingt that the CEO of Goldman Sachs still gets an adequate golden parachute.
mark spews:
I lost some big money on a venture back in the
early nineties. Should I wait by the mailbox
for a check to help me out?y
Reformed republican spews:
Yeah Mark, hope it stays sunny out there for you. Good luck!
Reformed republican spews:
Looks like a key centerpiece of the Bush bailout is to save the golden parachutes for CEOs and to allow any company with ANY bad debt to get a free republican government ride.
Yup – the free market advocates revert to helping the rich as soon as possible. Without correcting ANY of the problems that led to the free market meltdown to begin with. Talk about NOT learning a lesson.
John spews:
More Republicans are falling away from this bailout. President G.W. Bush, God Bless him is a compassionate conservative. Too many of us are calling into Washington complaining.
The only ones left holding the bag of money will be Democrats.
Let’s see how they squirm over their past failures on this and throw good money on a bad deal.
Alex spews:
Acorn is protesting that they need more of the bailout cash for people who can’t afford to pay loans due to a slack in the economy.
If the Democrats pass this bailout for Wall Street and ACORN then it should be fine to start robbing banks with no violation of law.
Just heard on Komo the FBI is investigation Fannie and Freddie.
Also part of the Democrat bill will be rushed through due to this new revelation and will have provisions to stop the FBI investigation, looking back on democrat history this may happen again I hope not.
Andy spews:
GREAT NEWS!
FBI investigates how this started.
200 billion just to to bail out Freddie and Fannie.
Countrywide included in the FBI investigation
I smell and see DemoRATS running for cover.
Could be the 2nd OCTOBER Surprise.
Will or has the FBI interview Frank,Dood and NOBAMA?
Democrats please take your time on your bailout.
Blue John spews:
Was watching Anderson cooper 360. They raised a maddening point.
We won’t be able to afford to have health care, or improve education or fix our infrastructure because we have to bail out rich corrupt businessmen who cheated and economically raped us, and now we have save them. Bastards.