Tim Eyman seemingly will do anything to rile up his supporters, including what the Nixon-era press secretary called being “at variance with the truth.”
(That means “lying.”)
Here’s what Eyman e-mailed to his fans (and reporters) Sunday night:
Gregoire plans to sue the voters, disrespecting the voters’ approval of I-960. Gregoire is sticking her finger in the eye of the voters. She plans to sue the voters, disrespecting the voters’ approval of I-960.
Well, that’s just not true.
I asked Eyman today why he told his supporters that Gov. Chris Gregoire is suing over Initiative 960 when the lawsuit is being filed by Senate Majority Leader Lisa Brown, D-Spokane, and he said, “She’s (Gregoire) the head of the Democratic Party. And she could stop it if she wanted.”
Well, that’s not true, either. Gregoire may very well be in sympathy with what Brown is doing, but Eyman is framing the issue as if it’s all Gregoire’s fault.
Eyman also proceeded to say a few more things in the interview that were flat-out wrong and I told him I wasn’t obliged to report things he said if I know they are wrong. He told me he was just exercising his right of free speech.
Huh.
The newspapers Tim Eyman lies to are the same ones who run his guest columns, the same ones who quote him, and the same ones who, more often than not, play stenographer for his bullshit. It’s nice to see the TNT actually call him on it, but this is the exception and not the rule.
*UPDATE*
And from the “Just Because It’s On The Radio, Doesn’t Mean It’s True” file, what’s the deal with Dori Monson breathlessly repeating Timmy’s lies? I know for a fact that those KIRO cats have access to the interwebs, so the D-Man has no excuse. Dori could easily have looked it up and found that it’s Sen. Lisa Brown’s lawsuit, not the governor’s. But he didn’t.
So Will is our Politic head connected to the Democratic body politic or not . Does Gov. Gregoire support suing over 960 ?
Eyman is the proto-typical…lying-ass Klownservative Republican in Pseudo-Libertaian clothing…never met a half-truth or outright lie he didn’t like as long as it advanced his personal agenda.
Monson, besides being impossible to listen to for more than 30 seconds, is just as bad.
Two dumbshits out of the same dumpster.
So Will is our Politic head connected to the Democratic body politic or not . Does Gov. Gregoire support suing over 960 ?
What difference does it make? Senator Brown has the right to sue regardless.
Also, it’s pretty transparently obvious that I-960 didn’t amend the state Constitution- bills that get a majority pass, regardless if they raise taxes or not. Lie-man knows this.
Finally, have you considered some remedial English?
Posted by Jason Mercier at Washington Policy Center:
http://washingtonpolicyblog.ty.....dersh.html
[The rest deleted—see HA Comment Policy— Darryl]
It’s evident that the Eyman/Guzzo/Rossi campaign is pivoting on yet another of the right-wing delusionist mantras, like “Patty Murray is dumb”, “Deficits don’t matter” and “Barack Obama is a Muslim”…this one has the operative title “Queen Christine”. We’ve seen that phrase in general use by the trolls here, despite the fact that Gregoire as governor has kept a surprisingly low public profile.
Here’s what we sent to everyone yesterday:
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From: Tim Eyman [mailto:mr_initiative@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:12 PM
Subject: Gregoire plans to sue the voters, disrespecting the voters’ approval of I-960
Today this was emailed to the 6000 supporters on our email list and mailed tomorrow (Monday) to our 25,000 supporters on our (post office) mailing list.
March 2, 2008
To: Our thousands of supporters throughout the state (cc’d to all media outlets — reporters, columnists, editorial writers, and others in newspapers, radio, and TV — House & Senate members, and the Governor)
From: Tim Eyman, Jack Fagan, Mike Fagan, & Mike Dunmire, email: tim_eyman@comcast.net, http://www.ReduceCongestion.org
RE: Gregoire plans to sue the voters, disrespecting the voters’ approval of I-960
Gregoire is sticking her finger in the eye of the voters. She plans to sue the voters, disrespecting the voters’ approval of I-960.
It’s despicable — her job is to represent the voters, not to sue them.
Last year, the voters heard Gregoire’s arguments against I-960 — that it’s ‘extra handcuffs’ weren’t needed, that we can trust her to not raise taxes. It was a vigorous debate where Gregoire’s supporters spent millions of dollars and got their anti-960 message before the voters. Our side spent $0 promoting I-960 (not a single TV ad, radio ad, campaign sign, or bumper sticker). Despite that, the voters approved I-960 — they voted to reaffirm their longstanding support for two-thirds legislative majority for tax increases (as well as I-960’s other public disclosure/transparency provisions). Voters clearly believe that it shouldn’t be easy for politicians to raise taxes.
It was a fair fight and Gregoire lost. But rather than accepting the voters’ clear decision, Gregoire’s going to sue the voters.
It turns out that the Senate’s tax hike vote on Friday was choreographed by Gregoire to set the stage for a lawsuit against I-960 (Associated Press headline: Liquor tax defeat lays groundwork for I-960 challenge). Reporters found out that the whole thing was a total charade, that it wasn’t a genuine effort to “pay for drunken driving enforcement and substance abuse treatment.” No, it was totally scripted as a “legal maneuver” to form the foundation for Gregoire’s lawsuit. One news story mentioned why she’s pushing for the lawsuit: “in hopes of making it easier for lawmakers to raise taxes.” As reported in the Tacoma News Tribune, the Senate’s top Republican in budget matters said: “I clearly see it as a thought-out process,” Zarelli said of Friday’s well-scripted floor speeches to challenge I-960. “They want to get the” two-thirds requirement “out of the way (before the 2009 legislative session)” so they can “raise taxes next year with just a majority vote.”
And to think Gregoire is asking you to reelect her for another four years as your Governor.
Throughout 2004, candidate Gregoire repeatedly promised not to raise taxes. Within weeks of being selected Governor, Gregoire shattered those promises. Nearly four years later, her spending is growing at 16% per year while revenue is growing at 6% per year and yet she still promises not to raise taxes if she’s reelected. But if she had any intention of keeping her new promises, she wouldn’t be suing the voters to get rid of the two-thirds-for-tax-increases requirement.
Zarelli summarized it very well in the Associated Press story: “The people clearly supported it. This is what they wanted,” Zarelli said. “Do we honor the democratic process, or do we get to pick and choose?”
Rather than accepting the voters’ clear decision, Gregoire is spitting in the voters’ face. Gregoire’s lust for our tax dollars outweighs her respect for the voters.
Gregoire will obviously have her Democrat puppets file the lawsuit but as head of the Democratic Party, she’s clearly the one pulling their strings.
It’s an amazing act of arrogance for Gregoire to sue the voters while asking them to vote for her.
We do everything we can to fight for taxpayers. But to avoid having to constantly swim upstream, it’s critical to vote against those politicians who repeatedly refuse to listen to the voters.
What we recommend is for everyone to fight back by redoubling your efforts to get this year’s initiative on the ballot. The absolute best defense is a great offense — and that’s exactly what I-985 is.
We have until July 3rd to gather enough signatures to qualify for the ballot. ReduceCongestion.org I-985 is a desperately needed, common sense initiative that voters will happily support. But they need you to give them that chance.
Please help ensure the success of this year’s taxpayer protection initiative.
FULL STEAM AHEAD!
Best Regards, Tim Eyman, Jack Fagan, Mike Fagan, & Mike Dunmire, email: tim_eyman@comcast.net, http://www.ReduceCongestion.org
P.S. Here’s a quick summary of this year’s initiative: ReduceCongestion.org I-985 implements the State Auditor’s recommendations to reform the Department of Transportation and reduce traffic congestion by using existing public resources more effectively. It opens carpool lanes to everyone during non-peak hours, requires local governments to synchronize traffic lights on heavily-traveled arterials and streets, and increases roadside assistance funding to clear out accidents faster with the implementation overseen by the State Auditor. These policies are funded by taxes and charges we already pay: 15% of vehicle sales taxes, revenue from fines generated from red light traffic cameras, and a percentage that previously went to art on transportation-related public works projects. Finally, I-985 doesn’t impose tolls, but it institutes critical taxpayer protections if tolls are created and levied.
ReduceCongestion.org (Reduce Traffic Congestion Initiative) . PO Box 18250 . Spokane . WA . 99228 . PH: 425-493-8707 . FAX: 425-493-1027 . http://www.ReduceCongestion.org . email: jakatak@comcast.net
So Eyman…you’ll post here but you don’t have the stones to go on the radio with Goldy.
Good times. Rock on, Mr. Chickenshit.
6 Ah, yes…let’s try and reduce congestion by encouraging people to drive.
That’s a little like killing for peace, or doing you-know-what for chastity.
Spit in the Ocean said:
“So Will is our Politic head connected to the Democratic body politic or not . Does Gov. Gregoire support suing over 960?”
Spit…
Initiative 960 is an assault on the Legislative branch of the government. The Governor is head of the executive branch.
4 Fascinating that the WPC has purged virtually all mention of John Carlson from its Web site.
A great organization that claims to be “non-partisan” and had Jeb Bush as featured speaker at its last annual banquet.
Hey Timmy, why don’t you get your own blog and quit spamming this one? How rude! Run along, now, little boy.
Ok everyone, not knowing much about HOW 960 passed….It did pass though right? Does anyone know the percentage by which it passed?
So Timmy is a liar – we know that – and if we didn’t already – we know Dori is too. I’d tell him that to his bulldog face if he didn’t spend his time hiding out behind the mic.
Dori I am calling you a liar – sue me bitch.
Will, I’m not sure which is more painful. You saying Dori Monson and breathlessly in the same sentence, or Tim posting the longest email ever composed. It was like the SUV of emails. Tip for Tim, I think Reducelongpointlesspartisanemails.org is available. Jump all over it.
Excuse me? But after more than 10 years of Timmy stupidity is Timmy caught in a lie even worth noting anymore? Isn’t it the same thing as saying the sun will rise tomorrow?
Isn’t it [Eyman caught lying] the same thing as saying the sun will rise tomorrow?
Oh no. It’s like reporting that the sun came up today. *Huge* difference. :-)
And here I thought that Dwight Pelz was the head of the Demicratic Party in Washington, and that Chris Gregoire was governor. Tim is smaaaart!
The relevant point in the WingNut™ worldview is that they are being unfairly PICKED ON. Just because they are authoritarian halfwits is no reason to PICK ON them. The halfwit world view is just, as Paul Harvey breathlessly puts it, THE REST OF THE STORY.
@12: Yes. Passed…voting in favor 52%.
It would seem “up or down” votes only matter to republicans when they don’t.
If we ever get the pleasure of Timmy complaining about the “tyranny of the minority” feel free to laugh in his face.
So – a majority is enough on an initiative but not enough for a bill in Washington state? Hopw does Tim explain this?
Hmmmm…I guess the trolls haven’t gotten out of day care yet.
Hey Hyphen-Name Limp-Dick – What the fuck have you ever done to help The Producers? Not a fucking thing.
Eyman has saved us over 8 BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS. We’re lucky to have him.
It should be REAL FUCKING HARD to raise taxes. And until the girls act on the auditor’s findings to eliminate $3.2 is waste, they don’t get any more.
“He told me he was just exercising his right of free speech.”
This tells you everything you need to know about the rightwing mentality:
Free speech = license to lie
Free market = license to cheat and swindle
Freedom = euphemism for imperialist warmongering
Any time a Republican says “free,” he’s discussing the price he’s willing to pay for what he wants from you.
@1 That’s totally beside the point. She didn’t file the I-960 lawsuit. Lisa Brown did. Gregoire isn’t Brown. Eyman is a liar, and so is Dori.
Republicans lie about everything because they could never get elected to anything by telling people the truth.
Truth is a Republican’s worst enemy.
Truth is to a Republican what daylight is to a cockroach.
Forget what Chrissy thinks. We should find out what the governor elect Dino thinks…. wait he is for I-960. Never trust a donk on taxes. roof roof.
22 Looks like Mark started drinking a little early today.
Roger Rabbit says:
“He told me he was just exercising his right of free speech.”
This tells you everything you need to know about the rightwing mentality:
Free speech = license to lie
Free market = license to cheat and swindle
Yeah but we lefties are the kings of lying. Hell you can’t even trust us even if we have third party documentation.
Courage bunny. Courage.
Senator Brown is speaking for Gregoire. Election year for the queen.
George @ 31,
Maybe you skipped “Civics” class in high school…. Why would the head of the Executive branch be initiating a lawsuit over an initiative that affects the Legislative branch of government?
Sheesh…you Wingdings make dirt look smart.
You lefties sure get riled up when it comes to RAISING TAXES. You’d think a 2/3 majority would be supported by at least a small percentage of you, or at least would not arouse such venom.
Other than Roger’s weeks ago essay (and apparently he actually believes it) about how liberals are here to defend capitalism, all I ever see from rabid lefties posting here is a knee jerk: if Democrats are for something, its A-OK; vice versa for Republicans.
They throw a few crumbs at your favorite causes like affordable housing while rewarding unions, govt. employees, and moneyed special interests with the “big bucks”. Talk about blind support. You lefties are sock puppets of the Democratic party. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Darryl
Ever heard the term “pulling the strings”? Eyman is saying that Gregoire is “pulling the strings” of the legislature. Is that too far over your head to comprehend? After all, you lefties constantly accuse “Bushy McChimp” of pulling strings all over DC, why can’t the second smartest woman in the world pull a few?
So the majority of you think that its ok for an elected official to go around what the voters wanted and sue over
it.
Eyman & Dorie sound like poor rich boys complaining about paying their dues (tax) to the world’s greatest country club (USA & Washington.
35-No not at all. I didn’t vote for 960 but it was passed by the majority. I believe this is similar to the prop tax bill that the supreme court overturned, saying, us voters didn’t understand what we voted for.
Gregoire is sticking her finger in the eye of the voters. She plans to sue the voters, disrespecting the voters’ approval of I-960.
It’s despicable — her job is to represent the voters, not to sue them.
That’s a bald-face lie! Why is it so hard for wingnuts to understand that?
ylb
Ever heard the term “pulling the strings”? Eyman is saying that Gregoire is “pulling the strings” of the legislature. Is that too far over your head to comprehend? After all, you lefties constantly accuse “Bushy McChimp” of pulling strings all over DC, why can’t the second smartest woman in the world pull a few?
Posted also at TNT website:
At her press conference this morning, Gregoire claims ‘the first she’s heard of this’ was reading the newspaper this morning. This lawsuit took weeks to choreograph, plan, draft, and implement. The head of Democratic Party who’s in charge of mega-majorities of her own Party in the House and Senate is shocked, shocked about this and only hears about it today?
that simply doesn’t pass the straight face test. she’s killing bills right and left with phone calls to Chopp and Brown telling them to let them die because they won’t help her in her reelection. Does anyone truly believe, if she was willing to abide by the voters’ decision on I-960, that she can’t call Brown and say ‘back off’? Come on, lawyers like Ahearne and Spitzer have been scripting Friday’s ‘faux tax increase’ from the beginning. No way this happened by happenstance – all the reporters commented on how it was all completely crafted — and then comprehensive lawsuit the following Monday?
Here’s the Associated Press story from today: http://www.oregonlive.com/news.....washington
Tim can you tell us what your next initiative will be about? As everyone knows I never vote “yes” on anything except your initiatives.
39 – The statement claims “she is suing”. THAT is a lie!
The legislature is suing you fool!
Eyman – liar, fraud, hustler.
Thanks, Jane. Here’s a summary of I-985:
ReduceCongestion.org I-985 implements the State Auditor’s recommendations to reform the Department of Transportation and reduce traffic congestion by using existing public resources more effectively. It opens carpool lanes to everyone during non-peak hours, requires local governments to synchronize traffic lights on heavily-traveled arterials and streets, and increases roadside assistance funding to clear out accidents faster with the implementation overseen by the State Auditor. These policies are funded by taxes and charges we already pay: 15% of vehicle sales taxes, revenue from fines generated from red light traffic cameras, and a percentage that previously went to art on transportation-related public works projects. Finally, I-985 doesn’t impose tolls, but it institutes critical taxpayer protections if tolls are created and levied.
ReduceCongestion.org (Reduce Traffic Congestion Initiative) . PO Box 18250 . Spokane . WA . 99228 . PH: 425-493-8707 . FAX: 425-493-1027 . http://www.ReduceCongestion.org . email: jakatak@comcast.net
Yeah Will, Gregroire and Brown work soooo independently of each other. Time to pull your head out of the Darcy hole.
Technically Eyman is wrong, but that never has stopped you Move On dot org idiots. Listen to over half the shit you guys spew on this blog, technically wrong and just plain stupid yet you repeat it over and over.
zip,
“You lefties sure get riled up when it comes to RAISING TAXES.”
Unlike you Wingdings, some of us actually believe in raising the revenue that is being spent for government services. You know…unlike the Republicans (at the national level, anyway) who spend like a crack-house full of addicts with a pile of stolen credit cards.
Q1- Why is is OK ofor 52% of the electorate to require a 66% vote?
Q2- Judicial review and power to overturn legislation has been a part of the rule of law in this nation for over 200 years. Why do our friends on the right act as if this is news?
zip,
‘Ever heard the term “pulling the strings”? Eyman is saying that Gregoire is “pulling the strings” of the legislature.’
But Eyman is just pulling that out of his ass. He has cited no evidence whatsoever that Gregoire is orchestrating this. In fact, one of the few who can speak authoritatively on the topic (Gregoire) has denied orchestrating it.
So…admitted liar Eyman claims, sans evidence, that she is, and Gregoire says she’s not. You, apparently, decide to go with the liar. Typical.
“Is that too far over your head to comprehend?”
No…but I live in an evidence-based reality world, unlike you and Eyman. Ya know, clenching you fists, holding your breath, and stopping up and down, doesn’t make Eyman’s bullshit real.
“After all, you lefties constantly accuse “Bushy McChimp” of pulling strings all over DC, why can’t the second smartest woman in the world pull a few?”
Yawn…get back to me when there is even the slightest bit of evidence that Gregoire had anything to do with it.
In the mean time, enjoy your membership the liar’s club.
Mark @ 35,
“So the majority of you think that its ok for an elected official to go around what the voters wanted and sue over
it.”
You seem to misunderstand the underlying issue. It is NOT okay for either the legislature or the people (via initiative) to pass unconstitutional laws.
For example, Section 13 of the state Constitution says:
If the legislature passed a law suspending habeas corpus, the courts would eventually throw out the law. Likewise if the people (via initiative) suspend habeas corpus, the court would throw out the law.
The specific section of relevance here is section 22 which says:
Clearly, a constitutional amendment is required to change section 22. And the Washington Constitution does not permit constitutional amendments via initiative.
Tim Eyman will always, unfortunately, be reported on inaccurately because he is a hot topic.
Ungun
http://www.UnGun.org – Anti Gun group building a tower in new york city out of 5,000,000 guns.
zip,
“You lefties sure get riled up when it comes to RAISING TAXES.”
Unlike you Wingdings, some of us actually believe in raising the revenue that is being spent for government services. You know…unlike the Republicans (at the national level, anyway) who spend like a crack-house full of addicts with a pile of stolen credit cards.
Republicans spend taxes on what Americans need, not waste it on endless lefty socialist programs that actually do more harm then good. Taxes are too high because we spend too much on lefty guvmint programs.
Eyman @ 40,
“At her press conference this morning, Gregoire claims ‘the first she’s heard of this’ was reading the newspaper this morning.”
Umm…let’s see how the evidence stacks up:
You…an admitted liar…pull bullshit out of your ass (i.e. you have no direct knowledge, evidence, memos, secret reports, etc.) and claim it to be so.
Gregoire states publicly that she did not know about this in advanced.
Given that this is a pretty trivial issue—I mean, really, if you think about it, 50% of your other passed initiatives have been found unconstitutional—It seems entirely plausible that the Governor had no prior knowledge or interest.
Of course, you did not simply claim she had prior knowledge. You made the much stronger claim that she actually IS suing the voters. Even if we water your claim down to just “pulling the strings,” you still have provided no evidence or even plausibility.
“The head of Democratic Party who’s in charge of mega-majorities of her own Party in the House and Senate is shocked, shocked about this and only hears about it today?”
Man…you sure have “truthiness” issues Timmy. Where did the Governor claim she was shocked? I heard about the lawsuit on the radio. I didn’t have prior knowledge, but neither was I shocked. I doubt she was shocked either. It is just common sense to challenge an Eyman initiative in the courts—one has an a priori 50% probability of winning.
“that simply doesn’t pass the straight face test.”
This is called PROJECTION, Tim. Liars always assume honorable people are lying. Perhaps some medical attention would help you overcome your problem.
“she’s killing bills right and left with phone calls to Chopp and Brown telling them to let them die because they won’t help her in her reelection.”
Earth to Lyin’ Eyman…even if your “string-pulling” fantasy is true with legislation (and really…the Governor does play a strong role in driving legislation), we are talking about a law suit. Not legislation. There’s a difference.
“Does anyone truly believe, if she was willing to abide by the voters’ decision on I-960, that she can’t call Brown and say ‘back off’?”
I hope not. I-960 should join its friends the Lyin’ Eyman Unconstitutional Initiative Scrapyard.
“No way this happened by happenstance”
Well…perhaps not in Lyin’ Eyman WingDing World™. But the rest of us live in a reality-based world, where one actually supports assertions with empirical evidence….
“No way this happened by happenstance”
Well…perhaps not in Lyin’ Eyman WingDing World™. But the rest of us live in a reality-based world, where one actually supports assertions with empirical evidence….
03/03/2008 at 9:38 pm
You know the rethugs said the same thing about the hundreds of ballots that turned up during the 2nd recount of the governors elections. So what if it turned the election. They have no empirical evidence that KC stuffed though ballots. They’re just sore losers.
Rufus @ 51
“Republicans spend taxes on what Americans need, not waste it on endless lefty socialist programs that actually do more harm then good.”
Holy SHIT, Ruf…what rock have you been hiding under. Shrub has created more national debt than ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED. The last three Republican Presidents have been fiscal train wrecks of unprecidented magnitudes.
“Taxes are too high because we spend too much on lefty guvmint programs.”
Ummm…yeah…sounds nice and all, but the reality is harsh. Under Reagan, Bush Sr. and Shrub, there has been unprecidented expansion of government and government spending. And we’ve had pretty fucking lousy economies under the last three Republicans, too.
RufusConcerned liberal,“You know the rethugs said the same thing about the hundreds of ballots that turned up during the 2nd recount of the governors elections.”
Of course, this was almost entirely because they had no idea what they were talking about. It was another example of “if I clench my fists, hold my breath, and click my heals” I can turn the ordinary into fraud.
“So what if it turned the election.”
But, then again, that is EXACTLY what a recount is for–to provide a more accurate count than is possible by machine alone.
“They have no empirical evidence that KC stuffed though ballots.”
No…they didn’t. There was no evidence whatsoever that KC “stuffed through ballots” (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean).
“They’re just sore losers.”
Yep…big time! I mean…the idiots pissed away $2 million, opened the trial claiming that they would prove fraud, and…nothing, nada, not a SHRED of evidence for election fraud.
It was good entertainment, though. And watching the “We Wuz Robbed” campaign of Dino Sore is amusing, too.
BOTTOM LINE DORI HAS A RADIO SHOW AND GOLDY AFTER THURSDAY WILL BE UNEMPLOYED.SUCK ON THAT FOR AWHILE.AND DARRYL WERE YOU BORN STUPID OR JUST GROW INTO IT.
55 So lets say King Co is a republican county stronghold
and Gregoire lost by 133 votes after republican ballot
counters produce fresh ballots out of nowhere eleven(11)
separate times totalling 10,000 (ten thousand)ballots
and you wouldn’t be at all suspicious. I can only hope
they die from ass cancer.
Dean Logan will die from ass cancer. Without question.
Hey, where’s the post on the ecoterrorists in Woodinville????
“stuffed through ballots”
An example of Doofus’ private school education at the Limbaugh/Faux Noise School of Wingnuttia.
YO @ 56,
Awww…isn’t that precious. HA’s own little chromsomaly abnormal pip-squeak of a fetus flaps up his adorably ugly little head with all his might and squeaks out a couple of semi-incoherent words….
I’m STILL wondering why the Chickenshit rip-off king won’t go on Goldy’s show and face some hardball questions.
Whaddaya say Mr. Limpdick?
Mark @ 57,
The whole purpose of recounts is to improve the accuracy of the election outcome. If the only “evidence” I have is an ordinary numerical increase in the number of votes identified in a recount, then I sure as hell wouldn’t be going around like a lunatic accusing people of engaging in felonious activities.
And, in your hypothetical scenario, if the Dems spend millions of dollars investigating election fraud, brought a lawsuit before a judge elected in a liberal county, and the Dems managed to offer no evidence of election fraud whatsoever, I certainly wouldn’t descend into fucking loney-tune conspiracy theory funk for four years….
Bwamee,
“Hey, where’s the post on the ecoterrorists in Woodinville????”
Try the newspaper. This is a political blog.
re 22: “The Producers”? Is Mel Brooks in it?
@ 65 MTR still thinks that urinating in the alley behind the tavern he just blew his paycheck on pull tabs in, makes him a “producer”.
@1 What wingers will never understand is that the Democratic Party is, well … democratic.
They’re so accustomed to the KGB management model (both in running their party, and running governments) they can’t comprehend that a Democratic state senator doesn’t need the Governor’s permission to file a lawsuit.
He also thinks it makes him part of the highest tax bracket.
@6 Timmy Lieman: Inasmuch as Gregoire didn’t file the lawsuit, how does your press release not make you a liar? Just asking. Sincerely, Roger Rabbit
@8 Do you realize Eyman actually believes he can spend $150 million a year on a new state program without any taxes, and that some people actually believe he can do this?
The last guy who tried to manufacture that kind of money out of nothing is doing 20 years to life.
Hey Stefan — we haven’t heard from you in a looooong time about how your lawsuit against Dean Logan and KCRE is coming along. Did it survive summary judgement? If it was successful, did you share the proceeds with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who helped pay for the lawsuit, or keep it all for yourself? Just wondering.
Me, I tend to conclude from the fact we haven’t heard a peep from Stefan about this, that his lawsuit wasn’t meritorious and he either dropped it (after milking it for publicity) or got laughed out of court. I’m sure he would be waving the money in our faces — if he had gotten any.
@9 See how far a basic understanding of how government is organized can go in helping a wingnut understand why Gregoire isn’t involved with this lawsuit?
But trying to get a wingnut to understand that the legislative branch, um, legislates, is as hopeless as trying to find a wingnut who knows anything about basic civics.
@10 Wingnut front groups always claim to be “non-partisan,” Art. Preserving their tax-exempt status is only 10% of it. The other 90% is they don’t want the public to know they’re wingnuts.
12, 19 By what logic should 52% of the voters be able to say it takes a 67% vote to pass any tax or fee increase? Aren’t they filching 15% of the vote?
@22 Pay your gambling debt, curdled pigeon poo.
@33 Why should only 51% of the voters be able to tell 66% of the voters they can’t raise taxes or fees?
Actually, the more I think about the I-960 principle, the better I like it. The only problem is that I-960 addresses the wrong subject.
If 52% of the voters can require a 2/3rds vote in the state senate to raise taxes, then why shouldn’t 52% of the voters be able to require a 2/3rds vote in the U.S. Senate to confirm any Republican judge?
Now there’s an undemocratic rule even I could support.
@35 “So the majority of you think that its ok for an elected official to go around what the voters wanted and sue over it.”
Yes, because you can’t amend the state constitution with an initiative passed by a simple majority.
Keep on ranting over Eyman’s press release, sock puppets.
Your rants can’t change the fact that if the Democrats running this state (and I could give a flying f whether it’s Brown or Gregoire filing the suit) succeed with the suit, the voting public’s strong desire to restrain tax-raising legislators will still be here and most likely will strengthen in the current economy.
Meanwhile your Geppetos in Olympia keep you sock puppets pacified with a few crumbs while the money goes down a rathole.
@35 Brown isn’t going around anything, dimwit. When a demagogue like Eyman seduces people into passing unconstitutional amendments, responsible people have a duty to enforce the state constitution.
BTW, I’m pretty sure the plaintiff in this case is Lisa Brown, not the Washington State Senate or the Washington State Democratic Party, and being the senate majority leader doesn’t disqualify her from having the same legal rights as every other citizen in the state. This lawsuit could have been filed by anyone.
@40 “At her press conference this morning, Gregoire claims ‘the first she’s heard of this’ was reading the newspaper this morning. This lawsuit took weeks to choreograph, plan, draft, and implement. The head of Democratic Party who’s in charge of mega-majorities of her own Party in the House and Senate is shocked, shocked about this and only hears about it today?”
The House and Senate are not part of the organization chart of the Governor’s office, Tim. They’re independently elected officials who do not take orders from the governor or her staff. I thought you knew that. Guess not.
“that simply doesn’t pass the straight face test.”
Oh yes it does.
Roger 78, I thought your progressive mission was to protect capitalism? You may sing a different tune some day if present trends of state spending continue.
Maybe Eyman Isn’t Lying After All
Some years ago a federal judge, in sentencing Rep. George Hansen (R-Idiot) to federal prison for lying on disclosure forms, expressed doubts about the defendant’s guilt: “Frankly, Mr. Hansen, I think you’re too stupid to form a criminal intent.”
Applying the same principle to Timmy, if he actually believes the shit he spouts, perhaps he’s not actually “lying,” as the term is commonly understood, but rather is self-delusional in the same way as someone who wire transfers money to a Nigerian scammer.
@42 My understanding is that Brown is suing as an individual.
@44 Hey Tim: Given that you’ve promised voters the $150 million a year that I-985 will cost won’t come from new or increased taxes, what existing state program(s) and/or agency(s) do you intend to take this money from?
My guess is WSDOT will have to reduce road maintenance by $150 million a year. That’s a lot of money — about equal to what King County motorists export in gas taxes to the freeloader counties every year to build and maintain their county roads. I think WSDOT should take it out of the rural road maintenance fund. This way, King County drivers would still pay the same taxes, but the money would be spent in King County instead of giving it to Republican ingrates in the jackrabbit counties.
@54 Actually, we’ve had pretty fucking lousy economies under every Republican president since Harding.
From Harding In 1921 to Bush in 2003:
–Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
–Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000.
–Per Year Average: Democrats 1,825,200, Republicans 856,400.
–Republicans had 9 presidents during the period of whom 6 presided over a depression or recession.
–The Dow Average grew 52% more under Democrats.
–GDP grew 43% more under Democrats.
Comparing Clinton to Reagan:
–Jobs grew 43% more under Clinton.
–GDP grew 57% more under Clinton.
–The Dow Average went up 700% more under Clinton..
–The NASDAQ Composite Index grew 18 times more under Clinton.
–Federal spending grew 28% under Clinton, but 80% under Reagan.
–Federal debt grew by 43% under Clinton but 187% under Reagan.
–Deficits grew by 112% under Reagan; Clinton produced a large surplus.
–National income grew 100% more under Clinton.
–Personal income grew 110% more under Clinton.
SOURCES – Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.gov)
Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org) – Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
As a capitalist, I always do better under Democratic presidents. As an investor in a capitalist economy, my prosperity depends on a rising stock market, and the market doesn’t do as well under Republican economic mismanagement and deficit spending. Right now, we have a Republican president, and the stock market is down almost 20% last summer and we have 11.4% inflation. What capitalist in his right mind would settle for a negative return on investment, or interest rates on savings at 1/3rd the inflation rate? That’s why I’m going to vote for President Obama.
As a small investor, I do poorly under laissez-faire conservatives because they let CEOs steal from shareholders. My investments are safer, and return more, under regulated capitalism with enforcement of the laws that are supposed to protect shareholders. The Republican habit of looking the other way at CEO corruption doesn’t help my investments.
Darryl: Maybe local reporters listen to Eyman because they think he makes sense. Maybe local reporters ignore you and other screaming HorsesASSHoles because you offer no alternatives. I could care less what you and other lefties think about Tim Eyman. He’s holding the state donkey to their campaign word and the donkey go nuts. He has saved taxpayers money over the years. If your lefties feel so generous, send in the saved tax money.
PuddyPoll Time – HorsesASSHole Donkey have the opportunity to give their back car tab taxes saved by I-695, etc. These HorsesASSHoles will:
1) Keep their money
2) Keep their money
3) Keep their money
4) Keep their money
5) All of the above
Yeah, thought so.
Eventually Lisa will spill the beans why she is suing. And if it’s proven she did this for Fraudoire, will you, will, or Goldy print a retraction?
Naaah cuz Darryl you are such a manly man. When a liberal writes a blog entry always check for lies. We’re still waiting on the “Boss” Esser retraction.
You get pissed at anti-lefty commentary and you tell the world who on the right is posting under other names, yet when asked about multiple name posting lefties you lose your sense of touch on the keyboard.
Such scruples for a manly man. Yes Darryl, you are such an example of a manly man. No wonder you are an academic…
There is an old saying: He who can’t do teach.
Okay, I accidentally saw this, and I can’t resist:
He who can’t do teach.
So you teach English?
Lisa Brown and Gregoire are saying the voters didn’t understand what they voted for when they voted for I-960.
It’s all about money. WE NEED MORE
@62:
Eyeman the cheesemonger HAS a dick?????? I thought he was just the end of Dunmire’s.
The one Puddy likes to ride on.
95 He don’t even comprend it. For him it be a second language.
He entitled to his own language, and you’d better not criticize it.
The WA state coosntution, Article II Section 222 is clear:
http://www.leg.wa.gov/LawsAndA.....tution.htm
Simple majority. If you want to change that you have to amend the Constitution.
It doesn’t matter if a majority of voters pass a bill that says differently, because then that passed bill is unconstitutional.
What part of this is the hard-to-understand part?
Will Puddy ever get out of the 8th grade?
To: Roger Rabbit (why are there so many cowards who simply refuse to use their real name rather than hiding and skulking in the shadows with idiotic descriptions of themselves – gutless)
You wrote: Given that you’ve promised voters the $150 million a year that I-985 will cost won’t come from new or increased taxes, what existing state program(s) and/or agency(s) do you intend to take this money from? My guess is WSDOT will have to reduce road maintenance by $150 million a year. That’s a lot of money.
Response: That’s not possible. The transportation-related revenue sources dedicated by I-985 to the “Reduce Traffic Congestion Account” are currently being diverted to non-transportation spending — the general fund of the state, counties, and cities. So right now, under current law, taxes related to transportation are being diverted away from fixing our transportation problems. There’s plenty of money to implement State Auditor Brian Sonntag’s recommendations to reduce traffic congestion 15-20% using the taxes we already pay. What the state, counties, and cities will then have to do is spend non-transportation related taxes on non-transportation-related efforts. Seems reasonable to anyone but the most whacko of citizens.
http://www.ReduceCongestion.org
Paid yourself lately, Timmy?
ATJ: I told you what I do? I make great money at it. Too bad you can’t handle the network.
Whoosh!!
lol