Normally, I deal with the stupidest of the stupid posts from up here in the northwest over at my other playground, but every once in a while, a special occasion rolls by and it just belongs here at the Ass. This is one of those times. Eric Earling at Sound Politics has completely lost all contact with reality over the past week. First by displaying some world-class hypocrisy by attacking those who criticized Ken Hutcherson, then having a 5-alarm freakout over Jeremiah Wright because of his “bigotry” (psst, Eric, paranoia is not bigotry). Second by still attempting to maintain that the Republicans still have credibility when it comes to national security and Iraq.
I’ll post about Wright after this weekend, but to help with the latter point, here’s a rundown of the recent polling on the war in Iraq. Despite what Earling has convinced himself to believe, public opinion on how things are going in Iraq has not changed over the past few months. The American public still overwhelmingly believes the following:
– The Iraq War was a mistake
– Any kind of “victory” in Iraq is not still possible
– We should withdraw from Iraq within the next year
Somehow, though, Earling still attempts to refute this by linking to this set of polling, which shows that a lot of Americans still buy into the belief that we’re actually keeping a lid on things while our troops our there. Even with that, however, a plurality of Americans still believe that we’re more likely to be attacked by terrorists if we stay in Iraq than if we leave. This is a pretty extraordinary rejection of the GOP propaganda that has been almost universally adopted within the traditional media. And it should be a strong indication that the folks that John McCain is pandering to have become “the fringe” when it comes to Iraq.
With that said, I want to wander through his post and hopefully help our friend from across the aisle wrap his head around this stuff:
Dear Local McGovernites with Modems,
A couple of your blogging comrades were kind enough to enunciate some thoughts at a recent post of mine discussing everyone’s favorite Netroots candidate, Darcy Burner.
Daniel K and thehim, at #1 & 2 as well as #24 & 25 respectively, noted they didn’t quite agree with my take on the matter.
Hey, that’s me! I was kind enough to point out to Eric that his last post indicated some faulty logic on his part. For instance, the unpopularity of the Democratic Congress is not a result of their being too far to the left on the war, but instead is a result of their being too wishy-washy in their opposition to the President on both the Iraq war and his attacks on our civil liberties. I also pointed out to him that Americans trust Democrats more when it comes to Iraq, something even the GOP-leaning Rasmussen Reports has indicated.
thehim in particular, while kindly offering modest praise of my intellect, argued I have it all wrong on the topic of Democrats, Iraq, national security, and this fall’s election.
Certainly, no one can predict the future, but this claim from Earling’s earlier post was several light years out into La-La-Land:
Coming out of the gate talking about Iraq is peculiar given the degree to which the Democratic Presidential nominee isn’t actually going to want to focus on national security issues.
Exactly why would the Democratic Presidential nominee not want to focus on national security issues? Not only do Americans clearly trust Democrats more when it comes to Iraq, but the Republican nominee is openly expressing a desire to continue an occupation that the American public overwhelmingly wants ended. And according to the poll that Eric himself linked to, the American public even thinks that staying in Iraq will actually increase the chance of a terrorist attack. Somehow, I don’t think the Democrats are going to be shy about this topic this year.
Back to the most recent post:
Indeed, he asserted that the public is displeased with the current Congress because Democrats are “not antagonistic enough” in confronting Administration policy toward Iraq.
Exactly, and that’s why Darcy Burner, and a growing number of Democratic candidates are supporting the Responsible Plan, a plan for getting ourselves out of Iraq efficiently and responsibly. And while the netroots certainly like it, the good people in the 8th Congressional District who are understandably frustrated by the fact that they’ve been represented by an empty suit who has brainlessly cheered on the Iraq fiasco for the past 3 years, have good reason to like it as well.
But Earling is only getting warmed up here. This gets much better:
With that in mind, I have a request. Please do encourage all your favored candidates to be more “antagonistic” about Iraq. Please do raise a ruckus to keep them running to the left of the current Democratic Congress, especially on that topic.
Not to go too far above Earling’s head here, but people who want us to leave Iraq to the Iraqis are not “to the left” of the current Democratic Congress. They are those who have a more libertarian view on foreign policy. Principled isolationist conservatives like Ron Paul are sure as hell not “to the left” of the current Democratic Congress. These kinds of “live and let live” views on foreign policy have not been very widespread until recently and it appears that this phenomenon is one that Earling is trying his best to both ignore and mislabel. The occupation of Iraq has re-shaped many Americans’ views on the limits of our military might, and shown the wisdom of taking a more hands-off approach to the Middle East. This is happening not just on the left, but across the political spectrum. In fact, the two candidates receiving the most donations from members of our military in this election cycle have been Ron Paul and Barack Obama.
By all means, as Iraq steadily fades from the eyes of the news media and the public, please make this your issue du jour. Don’t worry, that part where Americans say they aren’t too keen on the “get out now!” strategy is probably just a bad polling sample…or something.
Amazingly, as much of an unpopular disaster as the Iraq War still is, it won’t be the Democrats trump card this year. The economy will be.
Also, you may recall this blogger doesn’t have the warmest feelings for John McCain. Please don’t let that dissuade you from encouraging your candidates to challenge him on Iraq – and all manner of national security issues too for that matter. I think I might like to see that.
I’d love to see it. Especially since the old geezer once again demonstrated how little he knows about what’s happening in Iraq by actually trying to claim that Iran was training Al Qaeda forces. Exactly how does someone who purports to be the “war candidate” and is set to become the Republican nominee for President have such a piss-poor knowledge of what’s actually going on over there? We’re five years into this thing. How does he not know that the Iranians and Al Qaeda are ideologically opposed to each other? How does Earling think that someone with such basic misunderstandings of the region and the players involved is going to solve any of these serious problems?
Lastly, while you’re at it, and if I’m not being too impertinent, could I beseech you to insist that candidates earning Netroots support also run to the left of the current Congress on domestic issues too? Especially on taxes and healthcare. I think that would be bracing, perhaps even cathartic.
Absolutely! If there’s one thing I’ve learned about voters in the 8th District, they’re terrified of universal health care. They love overpaying for prescription drugs. And they really enjoy the thrill that comes with knowing they could lose their life savings because of an illness. It’s so exhilarating!
Thank you for your attention and careful consideration of this request. In the meantime, I remain your faithful and eager antagonist,
My hat’s off to you, sir. Most people as smart as you would have had enough pride to stop doing this to yourself by now.
P.S. If you could accomplish even part of this, I really would be happy to buy you a pitcher or two at a Drinking Liberally gathering in the future. Since I no longer drink (grumble) thanks to family health history, that’s more beer for you!
Any time.
So Lee are you really saying Obama’s spiritual leader and pastor Dr Jeremiah Wright is paranoid?
I won’t ask if this is more lefty satire. The “great” perfesser Darryl might get pizzed since Merriam-Webster is a good friend of mine.
So Lee are you really saying Obama’s spiritual leader and pastor Dr Jeremiah Wright is paranoid?
If he believes that the government invented AIDS and intentionally sends drugs into black communities, then yes, he’s paranoid. And I think Merriam-Webster would agree.
Lee, then you should read this. It seems on the drug front it is true.
http://209.85.173.104/search?q.....#038;gl=us
It started During Carter, and continued during Reagan. The Nicaraguan drug kingpin roamed the US from 1976 through 1990.
Dick Cheny being interviewed by ABC’s Good Morning America White House correspondent Martha Raddatz:
No surprise, right? I mean, they are just our fucking employees.
The Puddybitch, of course, thinks it’s “relevant” to hijack a thread about the disastrous war in Iraq to re-hash the Rev. Wright kerfluffle.
Good goin’ Mr. Dumbshit.
Awesome post as usual Lee.
On AmericaBlog this morning A.J.Rossmiller had some VERRRRRY nice things to say about Darcy Burner and the “Responsible Plan To End The War In Iraq”.
I am excited to see some Democrats FINALLY get out in front of the really important and substantive issues we need to deal with…
http://www.americablog.com/200.....-from.html
Hannah, as noted the problem with Rujax! is his lack of comprehension of others work.
Lee submitted: “First by displaying some world-class hypocrisy by attacking those who criticized Ken Hutcherson, then having a 5-alarm freakout over Jeremiah Wright because of his “bigotry” (psst, Eric, paranoia is not bigotry).”
So Rujax! since Lee’s first paragraph proposed Wright’s “paranoia”, I suppose asking for clarification is hijacking a thread in the small Rujax! donkey brain.
You are a MOE-RON (credit:Carl Grossman)!
I shudder to think the life lessons being delivered by Rujax! to his son. Ouch!
Nuff Said (credit:Puddybud)
Lee: What should be all over the news is the part about McCain you mentioned:
That the “national security” candidate (McCain, who is qualified to be Commander in chief, according to clinton) doesn’t know that Iran doesn’t train al qaeda to infiltrate into Iraq and that Iran (shia) and al qaeda (Sunnis) are mortal enemies in Iraq.
This is the supposed “expert” on national security for the republicans. Bring it on morons! McCain is either senile or stupid…hard to tell which one.
There is good news for the Democratic party after all!
From the Associated Press: “Neither Obama nor Clinton spoke to the [Take Back America conference] this year. Clinton was in Washington Monday, delivering a speech on Iraq at George Washington University. Both campaigns cited scheduling conflicts for bypassing the Take Back America conference.”
Ahh, yes. Just like resigning office “to spend more time with the family.”
If they keep this up, I might not mind so much if either of them takes time out from pooch-screwing to eke out a win in November. (If you doubt the “eke,” check the latest RCP poll averages.)
So, run to the Center, you two wacky kids! Leave the nutroots to their blog-urbation.
Yesterday 16 Out of Iraq Democratic Caucus members defended Hillary Clinton’s record on the Iraq war. Yesterday they issued an open letter claiming Clinton is the only candidate to “responsiblely” end the war.
So who does Darcy Moonbat! support with her “Responsible Plan To End The War In Iraq”?
Clinton or Obama? If she supports Clinton will the 16%er HorsesASSholers throw her under da bus for her stupidity?
So I misspelled responsibly. The question still remains.
“P.S. If you could accomplish even part of this, I really would be happy to buy you a pitcher or two at a Drinking Liberally gathering in the future. Since I no longer drink (grumble) thanks to family health history, that’s more beer for you!”
I think you should get that in writing — oh, wait, it IS in writing … but even if you printed it out, it wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s written on. Republicans think all contracts, promises, offers, and bets can be unilaterally withdrawn at any time.
Leave the nutroots to their blog-urbation.
Yeah, surreal Mark, as I’ve seen your comments at (un)SP (that “centrist” blog), you must know of what you speak.
Now that Ohio’s voting machines have been officially declared a “crime scene,” we should all realize that the old geezer does have a chance to “win” …
http://www.freepress.org/depar...../2008/3054
Very shortly, the economy will be declared a crime scene and roped off, too.
Nice post on Kos that observes that it will be damn tough for the right wing to simultaneously revile Barack Obama for belonging to a black Christian church with a firebrand minister AND claim that he’s a Muslim. Pick up gun, shoot foot.
Yesterday Heilary Clinton received the endorsements of Joe and Valerie Plame Wilson because she has the leadership to get the US out of Iraq.
So I ask again.
Who does Darcy Moonbat! support with her “Responsible Plan To End The War In Iraq”?
Clinton or Obama? If she supports Clinton will the 16%er HorsesASSholers throw her under da bus for her stupidity?
@7 Who cares what Hannah thinks? Hannah has been exposed as a wingnut liar.
@10 She doesn’t support you or your fellow GOP war criminals, puddy.
@17 Still looking for the WMDs buried in the sand or hidden in Syria?
Only 19% of Americans think we’re on “the right track.” McCain’s inevitably a loser, because Iraq and the economy are going to screw him royally. Elections are always about the underlying fundamentals, and fundamentally, Americans have had it with the GOP. The only reason he has good poll numbers right now is that the Democratic nominee is still fighting with Hillary, and most people still aren’t really paying attention.
Yesterday Heilary Clinton received the endorsements of Joe and Valerie Plame Wilson
Hillary has had their endorsement from the beginning you idiot.
YLB @ 13 “as I’ve seen your comments at (un)SP”
1. I barely post there at all. And, for sure, not enough to create any sort of a statistically significant analysis of my beliefs.
2. You’re actually making my point. I post on HA specifically because I wish to participate in “debate” (or at least have fun poking at senile ol’ Roger Rabbit). The “blog-urbation” comment has more to do with the blind frenzy o’ luv that happens every time Goldy posts some Far Left press release or talking point.
Poor Puddy – Yesterday I showed that Puddy was WRONG about earmarks (he claimed the top earmarkers were democrats). 3 out of the top five earmarkers are republicans in the house and 4 out of the top five in the Senate (with Landrieu gone it will be 4/4 in the Senate). I gave the link – a conservative tax monitering group.
Of course puddy comes back with three links citing data from 2005 or earlier – instead of current data. So from now on – I am not debating with puddy – it just isn’t worth my time.
I proved my point, puddy was wrong about democrats being the top earmark users. Additionally, I linked to data that showed that under the republican congress there were more earmarks than under democratic control.
None of that has been refuted. Puddy can’t admit when he is worng and just tries to change the topic – so it is useless to try and have a discussion with someone who will just change the topic and won’t admit being wrong.
The american public can see who was involved with Abramoff and corruption. The american public can’t be fooled forever – there were no WMDs, the Iraq war has not paid for itself, the Iraqis have not welcomed us as liberators and the economy is in trouble – Bush has been a nightmare for our country and Puddy and the republicans have supported his destruction of the country that I love. Their hubris will (as epitomized by Cheney in Will’s post) will bring down the republicans.
DL @ 21 “and most people still aren’t really paying attention”
You might want to check in with your Home Office of Left Wing Talking Points on that one. They keep telling us that the numbers participating in primary politics are unprecedented and that fact should be extrapolated to a November win.
So, which is it? Can we or can we not extrapolate the current political positions of the people or not?
I’d just like to quote this comment from the “Nobody Rides The Bus Anymore” thread to clarify that puddybud is now officially an Obama supporter:
“Puddybud says: And Hannah, I am for Obama because he is a black man. … Clueless Idiot separates black conservatives from black liberals. I don’t. They are all blacks seeking higher office. Every time a black breaks a new level we as a people achieve something new. … We’ve had black mayors, guvnors, senators, congressmen and SCOTUS. We’ve never had a black VP or Pres. So yes that’s why I support Obama. He breaks the barrier. … See the difference Hannah? 03/19/2008 at 6:40 am “
@23 “(or at least have fun poking at senile ol’ Roger Rabbit)”
Having fun yet markie?
(snicker)
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Once again…
The Puddybitch continues to enjoy pulling a minor point out of a post, hijacking the thread and beating everyone over the head with it.
This is the five year anniversary of a war launched against a country that did nothing to deserve it. A war that was sold to the American Public on the basis of false and fabricated evidence. A conflict that has produced these prodigious results:
3,990 US Troops Killed…
29,395 Wounded…
2,100 Have Tried To Commit Suicide…
88% Of Military Officers Say War Has Stretched US Thin… 82,000-89,000 Iraqi Casualties…
4,500,000 Iraqi Refugees…
Global Terror Incidents From January 2001: 1,188…
Global Terror Incidents From January 2006: 5,188…
Cost US…you and me and even mark the rageneck….
SEVEN HUNDRED TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS PER DAY
(per American Friends Service Commitee)
This war and this corrupt administration are looting and bankrupting our ecomomy, murdering our young men and women, destroying our reputation all over the world and The Puddybitch typically wants to throw comment bombs about preachers in pulpit€s.
Like Lee said, we can duel with quotes from our favorite misguided clerics and have lots of ammunition on each side.
But THAT is NOT the point here is it?
So why doesn’t The Puddybitch try to stay on track for once and if The Puddybitch feels the need to defend this policy let’s hear it.
DL @ 21 “Americans have had it with the GOP”
That may have some truth to it. However, they’ve also had it with the Democratic Party, too — either because they’re not Far Left enough (the typical HA Lefty opinion) or they’re too partisan.
Historically, the American public likes a “daddy figure” in the Oval Office. As long as McCain stays above the fray and as long as he can maintain the maverick / bipartisan image, the race is his. Of the three, only McCain has the actual track record of reaching across the aisle and the immaturity of the Dem primary could come back to bite either of your candidates.
Correctnotright: Wrong again. My links had 2005, 2006 and 2007. The Porkers of the Year for 2005 2006 and 2007 were all DONKEY!
Do you take stupid pills correctnotbright?
You missed the Robert 3K Sheets Byrd Billions and Billions sent to Wv.
You missed the $1Billion to Hawaii by Daniel Inouye.
You continue to miss the boat cause you are trapped in a mind warp correctnotbright!
Cue in Twilight Zone music again.
I barely post there at all.
So you admit you post there. I know you post there because I saw the comment you made after the caucuses.
And you mentioned this blog. Why are you so obsessed with this “far left” blog, surreal Mark? According to you, we’re “out of the mainstream”.
I’ve got news for you. We’re not going away. We will support the nominee of the Democratic party whoever that is because we support a modicum of future for this country over near certain Hooverism (and Shrubism on foreign policy) from McCain.
The American public still overwhelmingly believes the following:
– We should withdraw from Iraq within the next year
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What data do you have that supports this, and do you mean **completely** withdraw during 2009?
Roger @ 27
Please have your care worker check the “Wed” section of your pill reminder box. I think you missed some.
Funny Daddy Love I didn’t see you scream about Hillary’s 60 minutes interview where she slowly said:
Steve Kroft: You don’t believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?
Hillary Clinton: Of course not. I mean, that’s — you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn’t any reason to doubt that.
Steve Kroft: And you said you’d take Senator Obama at his word that he’s not a Muslim
Hillary Clinton: Right. Right
Steve Kroft: You don’t believe that he’s a Muslim or implying, right?
Hillary Clinton: No. No. Why would I? No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know?
As far as I know? What type of response is that?
See Daddy Love gives Heilary a pass. If Daddy Love claims he didn’t see or read about the interview well what is Daddy love smokin?
YLB @ 31 “So you admit you post there.”
And…??? I’ve posted elsewhere, too. I would bet the Goldy has posted at SP far more times than I have.
What is your point?
Historically, the American public likes a “daddy figure” in the Oval Office.
Nice to know what makes you feeeel better Marky Mark.
What is your point?
blog-urbation.
Speak for yourself.
First Rujax! missed the entry in Lee’s post so he has to cover his sorry ass with his putrid retort.
Keep up the good work.
YLB @ 31 “Why are you so obsessed with this ‘far left’ blog, surreal Mark? According to you, we’re ‘out of the mainstream.'”
Not obsessed in the slightest. In fact, it gets boring fairly quickly. You can check my posting history here. Every once in a while I check up on you kids, post for a bit and then get back to real life. HA is merely a diversion — much like watching a car wreck or laughing at the poo-throwing gorilla at the zoo.
Poor poor Pelletizer in two consecutive posts he contradicts himself.
# Roger Rabbit says:
@7 Who cares what Hannah thinks? Hannah has been exposed as a wingnut liar.
# Roger Rabbit says:
@10 She doesn’t support you or your fellow GOP war criminals, puddy.
If she is a wingnut liar then how can she not support the GOP?
Too bad the oxygen starved brain isn’t engaging…
laughing at the poo-throwing gorilla at the zoo.
Again you know of what you speak. Throw your poo until you’re happy, Marky and return to the surreal “centrist” world of the status quo.
YLB @ 37 “blog-urbation”
Wouldn’t apply to me because I DISagree with posts — even on SP.
Blogurbation is what Far Lefties do when Goldy posts a Dem talking point: “Yeah! Yeah! Oh, yeah! I blindly agree! Darcy is soooo hot! Yeah! Yeah! Ohhhhhhhhhhh!”
YLB @ 41 “‘centrist’ world of the status quo”
The “status quo” is FAR from centrist, pragmatic or anything else.
It is precisely the battle between the frothy-mouthed Far Left and the arrogant Far Right (including much of the current White House) that will give McCain the win.
As I said before, McCain is the only one of the three with a proven track record of bipartisanship. (Not that he is a true centrist, but he’s the closest we’ll see from either side for a while).
@32
What data do you have that supports this, and do you mean **completely** withdraw during 2009?
I provided the link to a summary of polls within the post. Over 60% of the American public wants us out of Iraq in the next year. What exactly that means is not terribly clear. If that doesn’t even account for the views of those (like me) who realize that we’ll likely have troops both in the Green Zone and in Kurdish areas even after a large-scale pullout, then it’s safe to say that 60% of the American public is (in Earling’s parlance) “further to the left” than me.
Correctnotbright: My links for the 109th Congress (2005-2006) for both the house and senate had the highest pork rejectors being Republicans and the highest pork acceptors being Democrats.
Why is that correctnotbright? Why do you continue to reject PorkBusters the accepted Pork Tracking web site?
Darcy is soooo hot!
You know I got to try out this centrist thing you keep touting. I think I’ll watch a Dave Reichert tape.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E0dOLbFKptw
Pelletizer@27: You are truly and sadly proven your brain is lacking in oyxgen…
I came on this blog over a month ago stating my support for Obama. What is wrong with your mind Pelletizer. Is the lack of oyxgen really hampering your ability to comprehend facts?
Your Clueless Idiot has been trying to make political point on it. But you cut the most important part of my entry so I’ll repost the whole thing so all can understand my support.
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And Hannah, I am for Obama because he is a black man. No matter what Clueless Idiot writes, he being his panic doesn’t know what it is to walk a mile in my shoes vs. even two feet. Even if they are Two Left Feet (Hey Carl how you doin?).
Clueless Idiot separates black conservatives from black liberals. I don’t. They are all blacks seeking higher office. Every time a black breaks a new level we as a people achieve something new. Clueless Idiot wouldn’t comment on the ignorant cartoons of Mike Steele as Sambo, Condi Rice carrying a monkey baby in her womb or having vampire eyes, etc. because they are conservatives. Colin Powell and Condi Rice broke a barrier. And for my people, I should say the linberal ones to say the shit they said about them instead of championing the fact us as a people reached a new height is stupid. This is what I call the crab pot mentality. One achieves reaching the rim and the others pull them back down. What would he do with a conservative his panic and those caricatures? Laugh at them? You know I bet he would. He would rather wait forever to see a his panic rise to the top because he puts politics ahead of his race.
We’ve had black mayors, guvnors, senators, congressmen and SCOTUS. We’ve never had a black VP or Pres. So yes that’s why I support Obama. He breaks the barrier. Clueless Idiot doesn’t get it. If he’s so his panic gun ho he should be cheering on a his panic for higher office, not because of the political persuasion but because they are seeking a new level for all his panics. this is why he’s a Clueless Idiot. Politics before race. If there was a his panic running for President and he was conservative Clueless Idiot would be tearing him or her a new asshole.
See the difference Hannah?
What is WITH The Puddybitch?
Apparently he’s the only entity on the planet that is never wrong.
Must be a blessing to his employer and a major annoyance to his family and friends (if he has any other than Pac-Man).
Not that he is a true centrist, but he’s the closest we’ll see from either side for a while.
Yeah a guy who sang bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran and thinks AQ is training their sunni cannon fodder in shiite Iran must rank highly in the cannon of centrist leaders.
Going back a little, I believe he also called for more “boots on the ground” in Iraq – going back further he called on Clinton for the same in Kosovo.
The guy definitely has the center especially in the force projection category.
And torture? For a guy who went through it, his somersault ability is impressive indeed. Flip-flopping right towards the center, not quite there but close.
Poor Puddy: You have not refuted the data from the links I gave or the overall observation that republican controlled congress spent more (a lot more) on pork.
You have no case.
Just like you have no case on your support for Bush, the war in Iraq, republican policies in general and the huge deficits run up by republican presidents. The president proposes the budget and has veto power – only Clinton had a budget surplus (not Bush1 or Bush 2 or Reagan). the republican presidents have given us record budget deficits and spent with abandon on useless military projects like star wars (that still doesn’t work).
You can argue and fuss and present other data – but you can’t get arond the essential facts.
African americans are voting democratic.
Republicans came up with the southern strategy and Willie Horton. It is the republican party that has played the race card in recent elections. I vote for the candidate based on their ideas – NOT their race.
When you have to go back before LBJ to prove a point about the democrats being anti-black – it shows how weak your arguments are.
Corruption and ineptness are the hallmarks of Bush and the republicans – you have to be deliberately blind not to see it – or have to deliberately ignore it. Either way it is not pretty.
@3
It started During Carter, and continued during Reagan. The Nicaraguan drug kingpin roamed the US from 1976 through 1990.
Puddy, their motivation at the time for this was to make money for Central America rebel groups that we supported. While a lot of the drugs obviously did end up in the black neighborhoods, I don’t buy into the belief that it was a conspiracy to get black people hooked on drugs. But obviously I do understand Wright’s anger. Sadly, most Americans will not.
Lee@51: Then you reject Maxine Waters and Barbara Boxer’s take that this was a conspiracy? In fact Maxine brought it to the House floor.
Okay.
@32
What data do you have that supports this, and do you mean **completely** withdraw during 2009?
I provided the link to a summary of polls within the post. Over 60% of the American public wants us out of Iraq in the next year. What exactly that means is not terribly clear. If that doesn’t even account for the views of those (like me) who realize that we’ll likely have troops both in the Green Zone and in Kurdish areas even after a large-scale pullout, then it’s safe to say that 60% of the American public is (in Earling’s parlance) “further to the left” than me.
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Oops, missed ALL OF THOSE. The problem with polls is ask a questions slightly differently, and you can get a different response. For example, if the question had been “Should the US remove all of its combat brigades by the end of 2009 even if mass chaos breaks out?” the response could be much different. The Gallop result hinted at this.
And here’s my guess: Obama/Clinton will take a much more measured approach in terms of a withdrawal schedule than their campaign rhetoric suggests (assuming either one is elected – still not a given).
The Puddybitch won’t be interested, but I will state unequivocally that I support Barak Obama because I feel he is the best and most qualified candidate to to lead this nation in the 21st Century. Black, white, yellow, brown…color doesn’t matter to me. Never has.
Further…there could be no better examples of persons NOT qualified to hold the positions they have now than Clarence Thomas or Condoleezza Rice.
I’m just sayin’.
Correctnotbright:
While you continue to rail poetic about your facts, I provided six links for mine. You claimed they came from a web site but there was no link. PuddyFacts have links.
Weak Arguments? You live in la-la land. This donkey primary is proving this. Polls show 20% of the donkey electorate will not vote for Obama. I posted this link before. This time go find it.
“One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, double the percentage who say they would switch sides in a Clinton-McCain matchup (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they will vote for McCain if Obama is the party’s choice (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton.”
You also forget like most blacks the VRA and the CRA only passed because of Republican senators.
When I ask Seattle city black people who passed the VRA and CRA they immediately say Donkey. When I show them the facts their faces tell a different story. Then I say how do you feel being lied to by Jesse and Al. Then their faces get scrunched up and most will say well, they are right on other things. Then I get the conversation really going on other things.
Correctnotbright, you are fast becoming a Rujax! dull knife!
So correctnotbright: I have to go 40 years into the past to find racism data? Just found it again today.
What is the crack you are smoking?
Rujax! Puddy is interested.
Was Obama your first choice? Somehow I remember someone else.
Oh and Rukax! (misspelled on poipose)
it’s Barack!
@53
Then you reject Maxine Waters and Barbara Boxer’s take that this was a conspiracy? In fact Maxine brought it to the House floor.
It was certainly a conspiracy. But poisoning black communities was not the raison d’etre for it. C’mon, Puddy, I’ll give you credit for being in the reality-based world today, but there’s a level of nuance you’re not grasping.
CNR – Stupes won’t address this until we all follow his orders to denounce HL and then talk about Lynn Swann and then Mike Steele and then Kweisi Mfume and then.. and then… and then…
Once the tally is up to 100 percent (some 60-70 Dem-leaning bloggers and commenters here) then he’ll proceed to forget what the whole hoop dance was about.
A true member of the reality-denying community.
who passed the VRA and CRA they immediately say Donkey
And who signed it into law?
re 4: Ever since Nixon, Cheney’s been waiting to stick-it to the American people.
I noticed the coordinated Republican PR Offensive in Iraq: Cheney & McCain on “separate” visits to Iraq, and Bush in Washington, all extolling the virtues of the Iraq war and proclaiming the great progress that has been made, saying it has been “a success”.
In the meantime, ground commanders say they need to keep the additional troops they received during the “surge”, but the Pentagon keeps looking, and the cupbard is bare.
And still no significant progress on the political front, except that the Prime Minister of Iraq (our ally) is exchanging face kisses (literally) with the President of Iran (supposedly our enemy, a member of the “axis of evil”.
My prediction: Sometime in the late summer/early fall of this year, the White House will “proclaim victory” and announce a troop withdrawal plan, to “commence immediatly” with a few troops arriving to the U.S. with lots of media coverage. But the scheduled draw-down plan will be vague, and the troops coming home will be those who would have been coming home anyway after their rotation ends. The announcement will probably be preceeded shortly by some staged event as a signal of “progress”. It will all be timed to have the maximum effect on the November elections.
I’d sure like to see this Democratic Congress get more to the left of itself. At least it’s showing signs of moving slightly to the left of the fascist Bush administration.
You know, in general I can understand Rev. Wright’s statement, and time has made it not less relevant, but more so. If we as a nation can not reverse our present course and return to the principles that made us worthy to claim the Lord’s blessings, then God damn us indeed!
@63
Not to mention this bit of news about how the recent Iraqi reconciliation attempt by al-Maliki was attended by no one. People on all sides boycotted.
I’m curious to see if your prediction plays out. I look back at how Clinton purposefully had a restrained response to the Cole bombing because he didn’t want to saddle the incoming Bush Administration with the cleanup. For some reason, I don’t think the Bush Administration will share that concern (especially if a Democrat is elected), and I’m worried that they’ll be pre-disposed to do the exact opposite when it comes to Iran.
39 TRM
I think YRB (YLB?) is right. YOU are the poo-throwing gorilla.
Lee-
You jammed Eric Earling, Ken Hutcherson, Jeremiah “WasABullfrog” Wright. Iraq War rehash, Darcy Burner, Healthcare and Drinking Liberally all into one post.
Where is the Kitchen Sink??
And since you quote the Rasmussen Poll (far from being GOP-leaning Lee)…here is where we stand today:
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows John McCain continuing to hold a six-percentage point lead over both potential Democratic opponents. McCain currently leads Barack Obama 48% to 42% and Hillary Clinton 49% to 43% margin
@61 Clueless Idiot: Relevance? If it didn’t pass it wouldn’t be law today.
What a Clueless Idiot.
70 – You didn’t answer the question. Of course it’s relevant. You don’t think when your Chimp pulls out the veto pen for Dem legislation that it doesn’t have any effect?
Loser.
Lee: I wasn’t postulating the only reason for the conspiracy was to poison black inner city folk with crack rock. The words of Jeremiah Wright and his intentionally selling drugs were construed be me as they found an avenue to make $$$ and they exploited it. I can see the intent there as my people became addicted and were exploited for $$$ once identified as a steady cash flow.
Clueless Idiot Clueless Idioto:
You are no student of history. Oh wait… I proved that long ago…
Read some of King memoirs AGAIN “for the first time”.
PuddyFact – http://www.stanford.edu/group/.....lyndon.htm
So Clueless Idiot how do I know where to find this stuff?
If you want another history lesson I can provide more links.
I wasn’t postulating the only reason for the conspiracy was to poison black inner city folk with crack rock. The words of Jeremiah Wright and his intentionally selling drugs were construed be me as they found an avenue to make $$$ and they exploited it.
I think you and I have different interpretations of Wright’s words. And also, the people who ended up buying the drugs that the CIA brought into the U.S. were from all races and backgrounds. The drugs were also likely funneled through more than just the urban dealers who’ve made the main accusations. In a recent documentary I just saw on this, some retired anti-drug officials talked about how it didn’t really matter to the conspirators who bought the drugs and no one really thought (as they would have no reason to) that they’d only make money from blacks. People of all races were going to use those drugs, even if the people most willing to take the risk of distributing them happened to be people from inner-city L.A.
Not that it matters to The Pudster, but Ol’ Rujax first choice was Al Gore. Gore/Obama is still my dream ticket.
I am an enthusiastic supported of John Edwards and his populist message. That his candidacy never caught on was very disappointing to me.
Barack (thx P’ster) Obama was always an attractive option to me and over the months I have really come to conclude that he brings a Democratic and democratic idealism and pragmatism to the work of repairing our Constitutionally mandated institutions and the checks and balances set forth in our system of government. Somehow, some way, someone needs to begin the task of righting the wrongs perpetrated by the current administration for the last 7 1/2 years, and I believe Senator Obama can set the tone and invite talented people into public service who want to accomplish these tasks.
Happy to get The Pudster (or anyone for that matter) away from the dark side…whatever the reason.
@ 65 and remember that Somali mess of the early 90’s?
That was started by Bush I, after the 1992 election, while Bush I was a lame duck! If Bush II ever follows his father’s example it will probably be this one. When Obama is elected, Bush II will start bombing Iran.
Leaving nasty messes for the next president to clean up just runs in the family.
More history lessons for Clueless Idioto:
http://www.sparknotes.com/hist.....ion5.rhtml
“On November 22, 1963, John F. Kennedy was assassinated as he rode in a presidential motorcade through Dallas, Texas. After Kennedy’s death, many civil rights leaders feared that their dream of racial equality would die along with him. The new president, Lyndon B. Johnson, had never supported the movement. A conservative Democrat from Texas, he had opposed civil rights legislation while serving as the Senate majority leader.”
This is well known by history students. I bet even Perfesser Darryl knew this.
Clueless Idiot: Somewhere I heard “Ignorance is bliss”. You don’t have to continually live it.
Hey incorrectnotverybright: You disappeared. Did you find the URL for 20% of donkey honky will flee the party if Barack is nominated?
If you ask nicely I may deliver another PuddyFact AGAIN for the first time.
Rujax! But it does matter. I am always curious on how the liberal mind processes data. I thought you were an Edwards man but I didn’t want your vitriol if I was wrong.
You see and again this is lost on Clueless Idiot, I stated my vote on Barack cuz it breaks the last glass ceiling. If it was Colin vs. Barack in the general election I would have to go with Colin eventhough he is very close to Barack in his social issues plank. I think the Powell doctrine wins my vote. He didn’t want to submit Alma to all the scrutiny.
I read Colin Powell’s biography My American Journey back in the day and it opened my eyes to his life.
Buddypud, you are an admitted racist, so I cannot understand why you continue to post here. I would assume you would be too ashamed.
But then I imagine racists have no shame.
re 71: Supplying black ghettos with drugs for money to pursue illegal wars in central America was the brainchild of Oliver North — of the Reagan/Bush administrations. However, in an earlier comment of yours you, without reference or explanation, say it started in the Carter administration.
This is an egregious lie on your part — and I believe that you said that to mask the truth that you know it was started in the racist Reagan regime — the pig fucking racist who started his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Miss.
re 71: There is nothing ‘great’ or even decent about an individual who would start his presidential bid with a coded courting of violent, white southern racists.
Reagan does not deserve our praise, but only our condemnation. And I condemn you for supporting him and for remaining silent on the flying of the Confederate flag in South Carolina.
I love this, from the post:
“…every once in a while, a special occasion rolls by and it just belongs here at the Ass.”
It’s why I love this place.
80 hp
I’m sure that the pig consented.
77 pud
“20% of donkey honky will flee the party if Barack is nominated?”
You may have found someone who thinks so, but I certainly do not believe that this represents a scientific sampling. And it’s up to you to support your assertions, not for someone else to look up what you may or may not have poseted soemwhere.
Democrats of all stripes want an END to Bush, not four more years of economic ruin and war deaths.
BO/Chadt: Please explain where I admitted racism?
Okay, come on, put up or shut up!
80: Harry poon – headless lucy. did you read the link? From your comment you did not.
Daddy Love@83: In 1980 I was a democrat!
68 Cynical
Rasmussen is currently reporting results that no other pollster is seeing. I have a feeling that something in their sampling or methodolgy makes them an outlier.
Also, as we all know, currently almost no one is attacking St. McCain, and certainly not a highly visible Democratic nominee. He’ll go down when people pay attention to his idiocy.
Daddy Stupid: Here is a PuddyFact, lost on Daddy Love because his sorry ass skipped over it the first time. Pew Research Center
http://people-press.org/report.....ageID=1254
Daddy Love: Open your mouth wide cause you’ll be retching soon enough when you see the stats. Why do you come to a gunfight holding your wiener?
Daddy Love: No one is attacking McCain?
Did you forget the poll which said he’s too old?
Did you forget the veiled references to Keating 5 last week on liberal MSM?
Did you already forget the Hagee Satire from Goldy
Did you forget the hagee reports last Thursday & Friday news cycle from the liberal MSM?
Golly, dense as spent uranium. You’re working toward dull knifedom.
Shucks I forgot to add:
Of course you did Daddy Love. 24 hours have passed.
@ 85 Buddypud, you are a virulent, some would say toxic, right wing nutjob, but you have also stated that you support the most liberal candidate for president, based solely on the color of his skin
That, Buddypud is called racism, and you are a racist.
Puddy is having a conversation with himself today- as usual.
No one believes you Puddy.
You still never refuted the data I linked to.
You still support the corrupt and inept bush adminstration and this war that is ruining our economy.
You forget the the civil rights act was passed and signed by LBJ.
You pick out the convenient outlier facts and miss the big picture because you are so invested in republicans and being right.
Tunnel vision.
You can’t refute Abramoff, Ted Stevens, Don Young, Doolittle, Duke Cunningham – so you bring up really old democratic scandals.
Classic case of change the topic. Republican brand is:
corrupt
Inept
budget breakers
racist
Cronyism
Trying to defend that – no wonder you have a hard time and switch the topic.
As to McCain – what a total idiot. Doesn’t even know who supports al qaeda – commander in nit-wit is all he is good for.
http://fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/LeoGrande-Soares.pdf
Pud: If you’ll consider reading a scholarly article on the similarities and differences btween the Carter and Reagan approch toward the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua, you will see that only Reagan fought an illegal and terroristic war against the Miskito Indians.
Funding an illegal war with drugs was STRICTLY a Reagan era thing. To suggest that because Carter ultimately opposed the Sandinistas means that he also used the drug selling ploy of the Reaganites is simply historically inaccurate.
Puddy @ 7
Thank you for the credit. :o)
As for Puddy being a racist, I don’t buy it. I fully understand Puddy’s reasoning about breaking the ceiling. He is not voting for Obama out of hatred or dislike of whites and/or other ethnic groups. He would vote for him to make a statement about equality and ability, regardless of ethnicity. Puddy has never said that Obama was not fit to be president, he has only said that he does not agree with his politics. In fact Puddy has never really expressed serious hatred for anyone that I am aware of.
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Incorrectnottobright chooses to ignore truth at his peril. So from now on incorrectnottobright are going to be my personal attacked bitch. Hey headless you are going to get a break for a while. I will scrutinize everything incorrectnottobright posta and will poke holes where I can so be warned incorrectnottobright!
@ 95 Unfortunately, Buddypud’s racism does not depend on your belief in it. One of Buddypud’s favorite tricks is throwing the “racist” label at anyone who makes a comment he cannot defend his wingnut views against.
So it is kind of nice to see that Buddypud would vote for a person based solely on the color of his skin. Buddypud is a racist and his own words make that very clear.
Thank you Carl Left Foot Grossman. I hope you are doing okay. Kiss Tereza for me. Stay on the couch and attack me as needed to get your juices flowing…
You exactly got my point above. This is why I enjoy engaging with you while Clueless Idiot is a CLUELESS IDIOT. As Perfesser Darryl says “fucking clueless”. If a conservative his panic was running for office he’d be joining Goldy tearing him a new HorsesASSHole as soon as possible. He proved it to me when I asked him about Miguel Estrada. He’d rather tear down an exceptional Harvard educated his panic because of his politics instead of seeing a glass ceiling being broken for his people. Clueless Idiot – you were warned about this thinking by ChristmasGhost sometime ago. If you are married and have children, God help them through their formative years.
Thank you Carl for getting what almost all other 16%ers can fathom.
Carl I now dub you an 84%er.
BO/Chadt@97: Show us a comment.
Come on big mouth.
can’t fathom…
Now back to incorrectnotbright:
You comment on the civil rights act is very telling. I can see you drank the Kool-aid.
Hannah, excuse me right now.
incorrectnotbright, do you fukin read? Do you understand how to fukin process facts. Read the damn Senate archives of Hubert Humphrey senate majority leader and Everett Dirksen senate minority leader. You will see who passed the civil rights act and who just signed it (LBJ).
I am so sick of your damned untruths and incorrect BULLSHITTIUM when I posted the whole Senate articles for all to read!
You are right I can’t refute Abramoff, Ted Stevens, Don Young, Doolittle, Duke Cunningham – so you bring up really old democratic scandals because they are facts.
But I can bring up fresh scandals and I have.
Dianne Feinstein and Milcon – delivered by Puddy
WIlliam Jefferson and Freezer Bribes – delivered by Puddy.
Oops got to go… more later moron.
So you refute Robert 3K Sheets Byrd and his billions in pork incorrectnotbright?
@ 99, Buudypud. scroll up, Look for your post on why you support Obama.
I do not do work for racists.
headless lucy/harry poon: i’ll get to you later.
Goldstein wants to believe that Obama is the second coming of Camelot. Since Camelot wasn’t real for T.H. White (writing about Pendragons) or for Teddy White (writing about Kennedys), Goldy’s naive faith in the restoration of a was that never was is unfortunate.
Liberals, progressives, left-wing fascists, have had a long and fatal love affair with words. Almost a century ago the left let itself be carried away by Woodrow Wilson’s oratory, and then let the farther left get carried away by Wilson’s thugs.
In 1961 the left swooned for the speeches of a young president promising change and delivering disaster. The Camelot that Goldstein’s bleeding heart flutters for was America’s moment of maximum danger.
On 20 September 2001 I, who have come out as a progressive liberal leftist, almost swooned for Bush’s speech to assailed America. Tuned in with my Epi Pen, expecting the anaphylactic reaction that Bush previously induced, and was briefly led by surprise and misplaced faith to believe Bush had a clue and a plan.
Yesterday I almost swooned for Obama. Even today I want to believe that God can use one of us to pull us out of the mire of quagmire. It happened before — with Reagan, Thatcher, and John Paul II — or seemed to have happened. Maybe God is again using one of us to heal the open wounds of what Obama called America’s original sin.
I want to believe that Senator Obama would not be the restoration of a spurious bogus Camelot, but of our foundation promises of more than 200 years ago.
But reality and reason intrude. Neither was much in evidence in the Senator’s magnificent words, at least those words that rose above the cheap-shotting of Reagan or of his grandmother … who expressed the same rational fears expressed several years ago by Reverend Jesse Jackson of the Religious Left.
And left unsaid yesterday was a rational reasoned response to the paranoia or racism of Obama’s own faith-based mentor. What does Senator Obama believe? And does anyone believe that we’re getting fooled again?
Yes. Mickey Kaus, here: http://www.slate.com/id/2186845/
Goldstein wants to believe that Obama is the second coming of Camelot. Since Camelot wasn’t real for T.H. White (writing about Pendragons) or for Teddy White (writing about Kennedys), Goldy’s naive faith in the restoration of a was that never was is unfortunate.
Liberals, progressives, left-wing fascists, have had a long and fatal love affair with words. Almost a century ago the left let itself be carried away by Woodrow Wilson’s oratory, and then let the farther left get carried away by Wilson’s thugs.
In 1961 the left swooned for the speeches of a young president promising change and delivering disaster. The Camelot that Goldstein’s bleeding heart flutters for was America’s moment of maximum danger.
On 20 September 2001 I, who have come out as a progressive liberal leftist, almost swooned for Bush’s speech to assailed America. Tuned in with my Epi Pen, expecting the anaphylactic reaction that Bush previously induced, and was briefly led by surprise and misplaced faith to believe Bush had a clue and a plan.
Yesterday I almost swooned for Obama. Even today I want to believe that God can use one of us to pull us out of the mire of quagmire. It happened before — with Reagan, Thatcher, and John Paul II — or seemed to have happened. Maybe God is again using one of us to heal the open wounds of what Obama called America’s original sin.
I want to believe that Senator Obama would not be the restoration of a spurious bogus Camelot, but of our foundation promises of more than 200 years ago.
But reality and reason intrude. Neither was much in evidence in the Senator’s magnificent words, at least those words that rose above the cheap-shotting of Reagan or of his grandmother … who expressed the same rational fears expressed several years ago by Reverend Jesse Jackson of the Religious Left.
And left unsaid yesterday was a rational reasoned response to the paranoia or racism of Obama’s own faith-based mentor. What does Senator Obama believe? And does anyone believe that we’re getting fooled again?
Maybe. Mickey Kaus, here: http://www.slate.com/id/2186845/
And Juan Williams, last night on Fox, this morning on NPR.
I’m stunned. Mickey Kaus wrote something contrarian for the sake of being contrarian! That’s NEVER happened before! Alert the media!
106 and 107
HUH?
Dude, put the bong down, open a window and take a deep breath.
Your writing is the rambling siren of a man who has lost all touch with anything even resembling reality.
I would refute your post but I can’t make sense of it at all. I will tell you that sometimes a message of hope is needed. A message of change is healthy. Certainly ANYTHING is better than what has been rammed down our throats the past 7+ years.
98 – Nothing but a fool shouting – and lying. According to Stupes, people of hispanic extraction are supposed to support the guy simply because he’s Hispanic but it’s a betrayal if they reject him on the basis of his judicial philosophy.
Keep digging that hole Stupes.
Darcy Burner is Harvard educated as well. Doesn’t seem to help her with Stupes – oh I guess it’s her skin color that shoots her down.
What a loser.
Clueless Idiot@110: You prove every day you are a Clueless Idiot.
EXACTLY. Because he’s there makes it easier for others of all persuasions to get there.
Now if you guys get control the first his panic will be shot down by the other side for the same reason Estrada was shot down.
By allowing one to make it, it allows others of the opposite political view to make it because of the “See your guy is already there”. How do you think it works Clueless Idiot?
Are you really that dense? A white guy got there in his place with the same conservative views. In fact two white guys got there with conservative views.
So in other words YOU LOST a place at the table JACKASS!
You are too stupid for me Clueless Idiot.
So Idiot@110, who is the fool shouting?
You just don’t see the big picture. You see politics first. I can swallow politics to see a black man make it to the BIG HOUSE.
Clueless Idiot wants to stay away from the table. Well when people think like him…
CLUELESS FUKIN IDIOT!
BO/Chadt: Where is my post racist?
I”M STILL WAITING fool!
Incorrectnotbright: Hey bitch, how you doing…?
Gosh Carl Grossman, you need to post here more often. There’s some real fools here.
Hannah says:
This poll is very contradicting…in one question:
“Do you think the United States does or does not have an obligation to establish a reasonable level of stability and security in Iraq before withdrawing all of its troops?”…answer 65%
But another question:
“When it comes to the war in Iraq, which of the following statements comes closer to your point of view? The most responsible thing we can do is find a way to withdraw most of our troops from Iraq by the beginning of 2009. The most responsible thing we can do is to remain in Iraq until the situation in the country is stable.” answer…52% think we should withdrawn by beginning if 2009
So which is it, get out by 2009 or fulfil an obligation of stability and security?
Because he’s there makes it easier for others of all persuasions to get there.
No. Not necessarily. The last thing I want to see is one my of own people put in a position to carry out the orders of a political faction whose agenda I despise. That’s more likely to HURT my people than help.
Has Thomas helped? I don’t think so.
Harrypoon/headless lucy: The article I posted talked about the drug dealer(s) who were allowed in this country by Carter’s CIA. If these dudes weren’t here possibly the drug system used by the CIA in the 80s would have been harder to create and configure, especially the activites of Mena, Arkansas. Then the distribution network may have been curtailed…
http://209.85.173.104/search?q.....#038;gl=us
-link replaced…
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/snowjob1.htm
Clueless Idiot: When you have every black leader personally despising Clarence Thomas of course there is no help. This is the problem with black leaders today. They don’t see the big picture. Same thing I say you don’t see.
Everyone was so worried over David Souter being to conservative. It’s turned out he’s very liberal. What’s to say Miguel Estrada changes his views. You’ll never know cuz you supported his destruction!
I don’t get it Stupes. You could have supported Alan Keyes. Your ugly party has rejected him.
Everyday you come here and it’s moonbat this and moonbat that, it’s 16%er this and that and yet
you support a man for President whose voting record is MORE LIBERAL than
Teddy Kennedy
or
(unbelievable!)
HILLARY CLINTON!!!
Not consistent Stupes. How can you live with yourself? Don’t think based on your track record here, that we’re going to make it easy for you to bask in Obama’s reflected glory.
Oh also – Shelby Steele doesn’t seem to think much of your decision.
119 – You’re dissing your own people now! They’re all idiots except for you.
LMAO!!!
Only Stupes sees the light! Only Stupes has the one true reading of Revelations.
It just keeps getting better!
The Souter argument doesn’t fly.
Thomas is the rule.
Puddybud,
Are you supporting BHO for prez? Or am I misinterpreting YLB @ 120?
GBS: Please call him Clueless Idiot.
I stated passionately above why I am for Barack. If it was Colin and I was a democrat nothing changes.
Goodness you people. This is a historic opportunity for blacks. If you look at all black demographics, almost all of us understand the significance of this moment. I understand why women are for Heilary, but the arguments put forth are so racist in their delivery.
First there was a cry for Colin from the right. The black leaders said he was just pandering to Republicans. He didn’t want to subject his wife to the black leader ridicule so he said no because he is conservative in some things. But overlooked is he’s pro-abortion. I am anti-abortion. But he’s black. So if I was still a donkey (I switched after 1996 as I told you) and Colin was the candidate I’D BE THERE TOO!
Now his Alan Keyes rant is worthless. Alan Keyes is a black Dennis Kucinich on the far right aisle. PERIOD!
Clueless Idiot doesn’t get me overlook politics to break a glass ceiling. The difference is there are many women who hate Heilary for staying with Bill after all the fukin he did and using his political capital for her personal gain. There is a difference.
Clueless Idiot, you all for got the Magic Negro comment. Be truthful for once in your life dammit. It was Puddy who like always is the historian here with PuddyFacts.
The Souter argument doesn’t fly in the simple mind of Clueless Idiot.
Only you claim Thomas is the rule. Watch. If you all get control, Wait and see if another black makes it to SCOTUS nomination or if whites are brought forth. Payback buddy.
124 – Hey you said Keyes was smart in some things. Are you saying Kucinich is smart in some things?
The Magic Negro comment? WTF are you talking about? I said Ehrenstein’s column was fucked up – as fucked up Shelby Steele’s column. The “Magic Negro” concept was snark cooked up by black sociolgists (correct me on that if I’m wrong). It was fueled up further by Spike Lee.
You conveniently don’t talk about Limpblow’s and Shanklin’s racist exploitation of that column. That’s your team Stupes. See why we don’t like the people you hang with?
How come no liberals want to continue the 20% of donkey whites walk from the party if Barack is the nominee and 14% of 65 old and above walk?
First you discredited me with no facts and then when I prove it’s BULLSHITTIUM, y’all got quiet.
Facts do hurt the liberal mind…
So Clueless Idiot@127, you are telling the world you immediately remembered David Ehrenstein of the LA Times before you read my comment?
Puddy did.
Oh Clueless Idiot you insignificant fool. Search this blog and see what I SAID about Limbaugh and this.
The issue was liberals got bent out of shape over him using the “Magic Negro” comment because they thought he invented it. When he took them to the woodshed (Matt Lauer I remember) they dropped it like a hot potato. The issue which he correctly portrayed was it was okay for a LA Times liberal to say it but when he said it people got their panties in a wad and their balls in their throat!
Puddybud,
You’re voting for Obama just because he’s “black.”
Is that right?
I’m missing something here.
continue the 20% of donkey whites walk from the party if Barack is the nominee and 14% of 65 old and above walk?
Walk? Link? Like everything else I’m skeptical of your claims.
That leaves 80 percent. If the “walkers” feel uncomfortable with Obama for whatever reason (his experience, his positions, whatever), what’s the big deal? Then there’s independents and even Republicans who support Obama.
If they’re leaving on account of his skin color, who needs them?
you are telling the world you immediately remembered David Ehrenstein of the LA Times before you read my comment?
Yes. I heard of that column before you talked about it yesterday. It’s even mentioned in the racist Shanklin song.
And yes Limpblows played that song because he knew his racist white audience would get a chuckle out of it. Some would laugh because of Sharpton, some because of Obama, some because it was a Peter, Paul and Mary melody, some because it was a white guys (Limpblows and Shanklin) making fun of black guys.
It was disgusting.
GBS @ 47 “I am for Obama because he is a black man.”
Simply atrocious racist blather. Supporting someone, you vehemently disagree with, solely based on the color of his skin.
Nope, I’m not missing anything here. You’re voting for Obama because he’s black.
Wow! I didn’t see that one coming from you of all people.
OK, then if that’s the case I gotta call your bullshitism with this line of crap cascading from your fingertips.
“How come no liberals want to continue the 20% of donkey whites walk from the party if Barack is the nominee and 14% of 65 old and above walk?”
Perhaps, the “white devils” are turning to McCain because they feel he’s better qualified than BHO.
I’m not going to ask a rhetorical question here about your blatant hypocrisy, I’m just going to tell you point blank; to support Barak just because he’s black, then turn around accuse liberals of being racist because you “infer” or “claim” they only want to support McCain because he’s white is preposterous on it’s face.
I switched my support from HRC to BHO because the more I found out about his character and his credentials the more I believed in his candidacy.
BTW. Barak Obama is as much WHITE as he is black. In fact, he’s more white then black.
He was raised by either his WHITE mother or his WHITE grandparents. Where was his black daddy?? MIA?
To call BHO a “black” man is an insult to his WHITE mother. She who took responsibility to raise him, to instill in him her values, her world view, her love.
Call him bi-racial, but he’s not just a black man.
Clueless Idiot@132: If you can’t read this thread then you are an ignant fool. The link is in this thread you JACKASS!
Plain and simple.
GBS: Show me where I have written white liberals are supporting McCain except from the Pew Poll?
Now I am dismayed if you can read a thread. Go back to my post to Daddy Love. I placed the Pew Report Poll as a link.
Don’t you even try and pin that on me. That was the poll of donkey who said that.
GBS: As Carl_Left_Foot@95 wrote his response to my post #47, supporting Obama is above politics.
In Cincinati Ohio where many black Republicans live, these Republican blacks figgered out they had to change parties in the primaries so they could vote for Obama. I’ve been reading blogs. Many are like me, they see history being made. Some others disagree and say politics trump color. Right now Obama has many of us black Republicans moving his way. I seen some polls where 85% of black Republicans will cross over and support Obama.
Also GBS what I have said before I don’t like McCain. You 16%ers are tone deaf here. I have stated this over and over.
Your Clueless Idiot first tried to tie me to Romney. I asked Your Clueless Idiot for a URL, Link, or Citation. He couldn’t find one. So he tried another worthless attack.
Your Clueless Idiot then tried to tie me to Thompson. I asked Your Clueless Idiot for a URL, Link, or Citation. He couldn’t find one. So he tried another worthless attack.
Your Clueless Idiot then tried to tie me to Huckabee. I asked Your Clueless Idiot for a URL, Link, or Citation. He couldn’t find one. SO he tried another worthless attack.
Your Clueless Idiot then tried to tie me to McCain. I asked Your Clueless Idiot for a URL, Link, or Citation. He couldn’t find one.
Then I told Clueless Idiot, I am not throwing away my vote. I told Your Clueless Idiot if Obama get the nomination I’m joining the 85%. If Heilary gets the nomination I will vote McCain, because I feel voting is sacred gotten by the blood of others.
So for you to make this moral equivalance to me as a racist is way off base.
Buddypud, you have stated that you are supporting Obama, a person whose policies are directly opposed to yours, because of the color of his skin.
This is the same decision making process some others use when hiring someone, sell a house to some one, become a friend with some one, or allow a person in their business.
And you know what these people are? Racists.
And so are you.
I support Obama because he is one of the most intelligent, capable and talented candidates I have ever seen. And I agree with his policies and political stands.
The color of his skin matters not a bit to me.
But then, I am not a racist.
BO/Chadt: You can spin it all you want but you can’t show anyone anywhere else what I have said on this blog is anything different.
As I remember you “claimed” I wanted to kill Jesus. I asked you to prove I wrote that. You still haven’t placed a citation or URL on this blog because your word is worthless, liar.
Next I challenged you in post #99. You ran away. Still waiting liar!
So who’s gonna believe you a liar?
The Prosecution Rests (credit:Puddy)
Bo/Chadt: You are grasping for straws. 85% of Black Republicans are voting for Obama if he wins the nomination.
Buddypud, I guess it just goes to prove that racism rots the mind
As I remember you “claimed” I wanted to kill Jesus. I asked you to prove I wrote that. You still haven’t placed a citation or URL on this blog because your word is worthless, liar.
I produced every bit of evidence at the time you stated that you would shoot peace activists. I am not going to do more research to find the posts to satisfy a racist like you.
Next I challenged you in post #99. You ran away. Still waiting liar!
What? I am right here, Budddypud. You are making no sense, racist!
So who’s gonna believe you a liar?
Certainly not a racist like you.
Bo/Chadt: I said breaking the glass ceiling trumps politics. Do you comprehend that?
well…
apparently not…
Racists always have a rationalization, Buddypud.
But I don’t expect a hate filled mind like yours to comprehend that.
BO/Chadt: You said I wanted to KILL JESUS. Still waiting liar.
Proof
URL
Citation
Time and Date Stamp.
Come on fool everyone is still waiting to see where Puddybud said he would KILL JESUS.
@ 147, been there done that. I told you already, I don’t do research work for racists.
I wouldn’t even piss on a racist if he was on fire.
So BO/Chadt: Your are the Raciphile: A HorsesASSHole who enables racists like headless lucy.
Where is anything I said being racist? Show everyone BO/Chadt.
Come on put up. Even Carl Grossman disagrees with you.
@148 Bo/Chadt: No you haven’t you haven’t postted one URL or Citation that said I wrote I will Kill Jesus.
Come on Bo/Chadt don’t run. You can prove to all you are not a liar. Lets see the post.
Here is what you said BO/chadt:
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4324#comment-744582
Where is anything I said being racist? Show everyone BO/Chadt.
Buddypud, what evveryone is doing is laughing at you. After all the hate filled crap you have belched on this blog, you still think anyone other than the other trolls support your bilge.
You want to see where you said something racist? Scroll up. I posted it already.
Even Carl Grossman disagrees with you.
Well, fuck me! Carl Grossman disagrees with me!!! He is entitled to his opinion, I guess.
BO/Chadt wrote:
Don’t piss off Buddypud, k. That crazy SOB is out to shoot Jesus! Okay I’ll make it easier for you BO/Chat
Where did I say I would shoot Jesus?
URL
Link
Citation.
And Buddypud, I am not sure what the “/Chadt” stuff is about, but I am sure in your raveged mind it makes some sort of sense.
Ummm BO/Chadt Where is this cacophony laughing at me? You claim that.
Clueless Idiot doesn’t support his own people breaking the glass ceiling.
“URL
Link
Citation. ”
No work for racists!!! Bumper sticker will be issued!
BO You made reference to something only chadt has ever brought up on this blog before. And the wording was almost word for word.
Clueless Idiot doesn’t support his own people breaking the glass ceiling.
Interesting, maybe. Naw, not interesting at all, and I can’t even begin to imagine what the fuck you are blabbering about.
Ahhh Chadt/BO. I rest my case.
You have nothing but empty words. Good night raciphile.
Blabbering about BO/chadt? Go back and read the thread fool. Man your memory is less than 24 hours.
BO You made reference to something only chadt has ever brought up on this blog before. And the wording was almost word for word.
Cripes Buddypud! I thought I was headless Lucy!!
Blabbering about BO/chadt? Go back and read the thread fool. Man your memory is less than 24 hours.
You still aren’t making any sense, Buddy.
Having fun resting your case, Buddypud.
G’night, Racist!
You know, that Buddypud probably isn’t that bad a guy.
If he only wasn’t such a wingnut, his racism problem would disappear overnight!
For all the folks claiming Puddy is racist because he uses race as a factor in deciding who he’ll vote for.
From Webster’s:
Now, Puddy’s claim is that it is an important consideration that no black has ever been a serious candidate for President, and that is an important consideration.
He may have a point, although I look forward to the day when we’ve gotten past the “first black”, “first woman”, “first hispanic” and “first martian” anything. (It appears that Puddy and I agree here.)
But… Real life here, folks. We ain’t there yet, and one point in Senator Obama’s favor is that he does break a barrier. Puddy may give that factor more weight than I do, but even this middle aged white guy takes it into consideration.
And while I would like what the man says and stands for regardless of what his skin color happened to be, I happen to think that he will be more effective in dealing with some very important problems, both internationally and domestically because of his mixed racial and ethnic background.
So, if Puddy is “racist” because of his reasoning, then I guess I must be too, because even I’m taking race into consideration. It will be a wonderful day when race is no longer a factor, but as I said before, we ain’t there yet.
And, while I wish that Puddy would look at the many other important reasons for supporting Senator Obama, I must also consider the many folks (including some Democrats) who will vote for Senator McCain because he’s white, and welcome the support I can get. At least Puddy’s reasoning makes more sense than theirs. This is a barrier that should be broken.
Oh, and for supporters of Senator Clinton. Yes, that barrier should also be broken. I’m ecstatic that regardless of which of our two candidates gets the nomination, we will have made an important step forward in American politics.
I suppose that makes me sexist, too.
John, I enjoyed your comment on this issue. Very good analysis.
But you made one mistake:
For all the folks claiming Puddy is racist because he uses race as a factor in deciding who he’ll vote for.
Race is the ONLY reason Buddypud is supporting Obama.
When he can come to grips with the other reasons he should be supporting Obama, he will cease to be a racist.
Until then, a racist he remains.
When a person uses race (which on a genetic level really does not even exist) as the only reason they:
-vote for
-become a friend with
-deals with
-treats with respect
-listens to
another person, that person is a racist. Plain and simple.
I truly hope Buddypud can overcome whatever horrible thing happened to him in 1996 that transformed him into the wingnut troll he is now. I think there is a good person behind his .. truly hateful, and ignorant rhetoric.
I would hope that Obama’s run to become President will give him the opportunity to explore his world views and provide him with the will to change from what he has become.
I truly hope that happens.
tried to tie me to Romney.
you called Orson Scott Card a “moonbat” but quoted him doing one of his anti-Dem rants. He calls himself a Dem for some reason. I can’t stand the guy’s politics. Card is a Mormon. So I tied you to Romney.
tried to tie me to Thompson.
You said supportive words about Thompson. That’s a fact. You looked more favorably on Thompson than any of the other dwarves.
tried to tie me to Huckabee.
Heh. No preacher could past muster with you. You’re the all-knowing preacher of preachers with a direct line to the man upstairs himself. I was making fun of you.
then tried to tie me to McCain.
He’s the man you should come home to. He’s NOW supports your issue of issues – the one that separates the wheat from the chaff – torture.
Go home now Stupes – it’s safe!
LMAO!!
Hey you forgot Rudy Stupes.
He was the guy who’d do the most killing and torturing.
But I suppose you couldn’t handle the shagging on the public dime and the cross-dressing. A true Republican knows how to keep those things out of sight.
LMAO!!
Bo/Chadt: Do you analyze facts? Even Clueless Idiot has you beat.
PuddyFacts:
There is no Republican candidate I like.
I don’t throw away my vote.
Obama breaks the glass ceiling
You BO/Chadt are stupid
I think that clarifies it.
BO/Chadt wrote: “Race is the ONLY reason Buddypud is supporting Obama.”
Reread #139, then read #168. If your brain is in working order, (from the above thread you’ve lost it) maybe you’ll see the ass you are!
Still waiting to see where you claimed I wrote I WILL KILL JESUS – Come on liar! Let’s see it.
Caught in your own lies you now deflect nothing on me.
Raciphile!
Clueless Idiot@168:
Each reason you declare shows how ignorant you are. But then again You are the HorsesASSholes Clueless Idiot.
You are right I forgot America’s Mayor. Didn’t like him either.
I see you make them all proud.
Poor poor BO/Chadt: Tried to plead his case and blew it.
John Barelli, thanks for explaining the obvious to BO/Chadt. One thing I disagree with you on is heilary.
She excuses her husbands indiscretions because she is using his:
1) popularity
2) coattails
3) connections
4) “perceived” likability – Dr Wright’s sermon explained that one
to facilitate her run to the white house; tust as people rightly use GBW being the son of GHWB as his reason for POTUS.
What gets me is the hardened feminazi crowd who behind the scenes grumbles about Bill and his philandering and how she ignores it yet in public is mum. Only Camille Paglia of that crowd (I’ve used her columns against the donk here) has been forthright in her attacks on Heilary’s supercilious attitude against her detractors (Using Bill for political gain and the WRWC).
And one more thing John,
I have stated over and over on this blog which is lost on BO/Chadt, the only way I’d vote for John McCain is if Heilary is the nominee.
This has been a PuddyFact for a long time, yet the BO cloud is too thick for him to peer through and read what I’ve typed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Must be the 24 hour liberalism is a mental disorder can’t remember the facts from the previous day.
What gets me is the hardened feminazi crowd who behind the scenes grumbles about Bill blah blah blah…
Talk about ignorant!
support his own people breaking the glass ceiling.
I don’t want one of my people leading me back to the 19th century. Reactionaries don’t do much for me Stupes.
Your argument is completely silly.
Clueless Idiot: You’re Ignorant?
Exactly. About time you saw it.
Clueless Idiot@178. How do you know this? Supposition. Did your daily suppositories tell my mind this? They are inserted very close to your brain stem.
Or as many of us here suspect… You are just a Clueless Idiot? YES
Blatantly Obvious:
Race is always an inflammatory topic, and racism is often more a matter of the heart than of the action.
And while I condemn both black and white racism, I must acknowledge that there really is a difference between the two.
*** Generalization alert ***
White racism stems from a belief that just having a lack of melanin makes a person superior. Bubba swilling down generic beer while sitting on the front porch of the single-wide is somehow “better” than the black man who got that promotion at work. (The fact that the black man actually shows up sober is beside the point.)
Black racism stems from the belief that black people have gotten and continue to get the shitty end of the stick from white people. That a black man and a white man doing exactly the same thing (including perfectly legal and innocent things) will often result in vastly different outcomes.
Oops. They’ve got a point there, and considering that white people continue to benefit (willingly or not) from this difference adds fuel to the fire.
How do I “continue to benefit”? Lots of ways, but here’s one obvious one that we all know about. I can drive through any neighborhood, and the police won’t give me a second look. Many places, a black man driving the same make and model car will be stopped and questioned.
No, I didn’t ask for the preferencial treatment, but I still got it, and I’m not exactly demanding that the police pull me over too. (Yes, I do demand that the police refrain from stopping people for DWB.)
Puddy (while tweaking all of our noses and generally trying to annoy us) has said that he doesn’t like any of the candidates, but feels that breaking this barrier is important.
And while he tends to be wrong about so many things, on this one point, I agree with him.
“Politics makes strange bedfellows” – Charles Dudley Warner
John, I’ll take you shopping in any downtown department store. We can watch the outcomes of you walking in and me walking into the same department. Then watch as one of my sons comes in.
SWB – Shopping While Black!
Regarding tweaking your nose: This blog and it’s over 60 liberal almost all 16%er members will rub our face in any and every Republican indiscretion. Perfesser Darryl and Lee lead the charge. Lee even gives out IP Addresses expressly against what Goldy calls his “no tell” policy. So, when possible, I and others whom think right will tweak a nose or two.
John, headless lucy and his 18 other known names has proven 24/7 the lack of melanin has made him superior in his own mind of course.
@182
Puddy, just so you know, I was told not to do that again. :)
Puddy
Been there, seen that.
You may note that I often refer to my time in the Navy. Well, it was the majority of my adult life.
When I retired and re-joined civilian life, one thing I noticed was the ordinary, everyday racism that goes on in society. Don’t get me wrong, the military is not entirely free of racism, but compared to the civilian community, well, let’s just say I was unpleasantly surprised.
I felt like I had fallen into some alternate reality where George Wallace had won the election for President.
And here is one reason why I think many blacks tend to support Democrats. As a party, we tend to recognize the issue and at least occasionally try to address it.
Do we do a good job of addressing it? No. Are we often hypocritical in our words and actions? Yes. Do we tend to give “lip service” to the issue, then ignore it until the next election? Absolutely.
But the fact that we even acknowledge the problem, and have a few folks really trying to do something (however poorly considered) about it puts us way ahead of the only serious alternative in many people’s eyes.
@ 181 And while {Puddy} tends to be wrong about so many things, on this one point, I agree with him.
While you, John, tend to be so right about so many things, on this point I disagree with you.
Buddypud has as lot of misplaced anger, and a ton of ill advised “solutions” to the problems he sees. He displays this everyday here on HA.
And his abandoning of his current political “principles” to adopt a candidate based on the color of his skin, to me just amplifies his warped world view. But perhaps if by him actually getting involved in Sen. Obama’s campaign, he can discover how lost he has been this past decade, I am all for it. And I am hopeful he will come to this realization.
Perhaps you can see that my designating Buddypud as a racist serves not as an attempt to equate him with a bigoted white racist, but as a way of hopefully sparking some self reflection on Buddypud’s part.
Perhaps he can juxtapose his opinion that “libruls” are the real racists, to the reality that these same “libruls” are actively embracing, and will eventually propel a black man into the White House. Not because of his color, but because he has the best tools to bring to the job.
Maybe he will realize that the same cannot be said for the Republican Party he has chosen as his own, and most likely will never be said of the Republican Party.
I hope this election year will be a real eye opener to Buddypud.
Because once he realizes that it is the ideas and the strengths of Obama’s character that makes him the best choice for President, then race will no longer be the only reason he supports Obama. And then he will no longer be a racist
186 continued…
It is similar to Buddypuds words here:
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4324#comment-744540
when a lefty peacenik crazy gets a gun, the Republican gun owner will plug the idiot and make their day
I felt it perhaps more helpful to Buddypud to have his words examined, so that he could see how unchristian, and frankly dazzlingly immoral his words are.. I explained to him that with that attitude, he would have shot Jesus.
When then went on to examine The beatitudes from the sermon on the mount and how to Buudypud’s warped mind, Jesus was a “lefty peacenik” and that Buddypud would shoot him.
Of course none of this got through Buddypuds thick armor of hate and wingnut koolaid. But I was hopeful then, and am hopeful now, that someday he will see how sick his world view has become.
Blatantly Obvious.
Which of us is actually right about Puddy in this case actually depends on something neither of us can know. What is in his heart.
For all his rhetoric and rancor, Puddy has said that he supports Senator Obama because his election will break a race barrier, and that issue is supremely important to him.
In elections where that barrier has already been broken, he has at least implied that he takes other issues into consideration.
If his comments (and I can’t spend enough time here to read everything he’s said) were that he simply supports black candidates under all circumstances, then you would have a point, but the comments I read implied otherwise.
Unsaid, but implied, is that it is the historic moment that is important.
Other than that, however, I share your hope that in working for Senator Obama, his worldview is widened. This is something to be hoped for in anyone, regardless of political party.
I think Puddy doesn’t think any of the 3 candidates is good enough for the job, therefore, in hopes of breaking ice historically, he is choosing Obama, since all 3 candidates in his eyes have nothing more or better to offer than the other ones. Yes, he is choosing Obama on “race” but that is because he doesn’t have good feelings about any of the 3 choices in front of him, so the one good thing Obama can bring to the table is, HISTORY.
Hey BO/Chadt: Let’s revisit that thread.
I wrote: Pelletizer: Real gun owners don’t perform heinous acts like VT or NIU. It is the morally deranged and corrupt individuals who buy a gun or two and they get lumped into gun owners. Gun owners own guns for years. These creeps are immediate gun purchasers.
BBG responded: ByeByeGOP says:
I think we should locate plenty of gun dealers on every republican – leaning college campus in America. That way – the silly inbred bastards will just shoot themselves and we can free our country from their evil.
To which I responded: BBG@55: No, but when a lefty peacenik crazy gets a gun, the Republican gun owner will plug the idiot and make their day.
You can’t get away BBG. What you are trying to pull here is crap and you know it.
Deflect, obfuscate, tell lies, inject fear. Your modus operandi here BBG. BUSTED .
Nuff Said!
Hannah, BINGO.
On the Democrat side – Bill Richardson was very good. Many conservatives held him up high. Notice how donkey killed him early? Not donkey left enough!
On the Republican side – On record for not liking any of them. This fact was missed by BBG/Chadt even though your Clueless Idiot tried unsuccessfully to pin each one on me. He’s such an empty suit!
Lee@184, congrats, you can learn from your mistake!
Take your meds, Buddypud, you are jumping around again flapping your arms, screaming at shadows.
And if you think breaking the barrier is of such importance that you will support a candidate who is the complete flip side to your ignorant beliefs, just because of his skin color… why do you daily rant against the policies and political stands that will actually get this candidate elected?
You are fighting against your own dream, Buddypud. Just as you continually vote against your own self interests.
Typical behavior for a racist.
Standard BO/Chadt liness when his ASS kicked to the curb
1) Can anyone understand
2) Take your meds
3) Your blabbering
4) You’re screaming
5) You’re jumping around
First I am sitting in a chair typing. You are the one doing 1-5 when you lace panties get too tight around your breathe hole (anus).
Your racist canard has lost steam, like all your arguments here. Easily dissected.
When the BO/Chadt autopsy is performed the coroner will cut open the head and say “Lookie here a real pea brain. Weight – 1.2 grams. A new record for micro-sized brains”.
How many times do I have to say this to this ignant fool BO/Chadt – In this case politics doesn’t matter – break the glass ceiling. 85% of black Republicans agree with Puddy on breaking the glass ceiling.
BO/Chadt has reach official Dull Knifedom. You join an exclusive group of 16%ers who have proven their stupidity!
You join an exclusive group
Wow, Buddypud! Thanks!
85% of black Republicans agree with Puddy
So you are saying 17 out of the 20 black Republicans are also racists? Not too surprising, they already have a good starting point. They are Republicans after all.
Buddypud, you keep down this track and the cognitive dissonance building up in your skull will turn your brain into even gooier goo.
Cognitive Dissonance – Now you speak headless lucy again?
Where did I say anyone is a racist? Everyone here has seen you say it. Where is my Jesus quote butthead?
Another of your useless argumentative canards. Good try BO.
You are the one crying racist when all other points of view are telling you otherwise.
Keep of the good work headless lucy Raciphile.
C’mon Buddypud, am I Chadt, or Headless Lucy? You seem to have difficulty processing that I am merely The Blatantly Obvious. But never mind, who cares if you are so paranoid that you attach the same face to everyone who opposes your drivel.
But I imagine you feel the use of the words “Cognitive Dissonance” is a smoking gun for your paranoid delusions.
Racism is just another symptom of paranoia.
Does anyone understand what the BO King is trying to write in #197?
You better get your meds in order BO.
Have someone around you read it to you. Maybe a small child could explain it to you.
Oh, and the “get your meds in order” would be #2 on your list @ 194
It is amazing how often you put your foot in your mouth, Buddypud. You couldn’t even make 5 posts without planting your foot in your mouth.
I guess by using your “logic” in the #194 post, that your ass has been “kicked to the curb”.
Hey BO: Do understand satire. I was dissing you kindly!
Keep up the rail on racism. Even Clueless Idiot abandoned you.
Where is the cacophony of laughter BO? In your head!
Puddybud and John Barelli:
Not buying it. I’ll talk racial reforms all day long. I’ll agree with the statements of Sen. Obama that the difficulties the black community suffers from today are directly related to the legacy of slavery. I’m quite happy to have a conversation that helps me our country out of this stagnant cycle we’re in regarding race.
But, in doing that, I get to air my complaints too. You know what? My 19 year old WHITE son isn’t getting any scholarships or grants based on the color of his skin. He’s going to have to go into major debt to fulfill his dreams of being a dentist.
My ansectors were mostly poor, Irish immigrants. Exposed to the many of the same prejudices: “Irish need not apply.”
No one in my family EVER owned another humanbeing. We were too poor and too late to participate in America’s slavery period. But, because my son is white he’s not getting anything from the Untied Negro College Fund that’s for DAMN sure.
So I got a legitimate bitch about racisim, too.
If we’re going to open this can of racial worms, and we need to, then we’re going to open the whole fucking can of worms — black and white.
What Puddybud, and the guilt ridden John B. are saying is that it’s OK for Puddybud to abandon all his politcal principles, his moral judgements about abortion and supporting a candidate that will endorse the slaguther of millions of babies in order to cast a vote for someone based soley on the color of his skin.
That’s the exact same core principle of some yum-yum at the voting booth this year saying: I believe in the Democratic agenda, I think Barak could handle national security better, do a better job with the economy, provide health care for uninsured Americans, improve our standing in the world, but, I’m casting my vote for John McCain because he’s white.
This is where I draw the line, choosing one person over the other, for any reason, based soley on the color of the pigment of their skin is wrong and it’s racism.
A spade is a spade, it’s not an ax.
Puddybud wrote:
“Then I told Clueless Idiot, I am not throwing away my vote. I told Your Clueless Idiot if Obama get the nomination I’m joining the 85%. If Heilary gets the nomination I will vote McCain, because I feel voting is sacred gotten by the blood of others.
So for you to make this moral equivalance to me as a racist is way off base”
It’s spot Puddy, because you’re getting essentially the same agenda platform with either HRC or BHO – a women’s right to choose for certain. That is a topic of HIGH moral priority that you’ve gone on ad nauseum on this blog. You’ve made more than perfectly clear that the abortion issue is the equivalent of genocide, particularly in the black community and a direct affront to God and human life. That’s what abortion means to you. No URL links or citations required, everyone here has seen your population calculations and how abortion has caused the Demoratic party to lose elections based on the reduction in “Donks.”
Now, you’re abandoning your moral link to God because of the color of the skin of the man who will continue to protect abortion as a legal and viable medical procedure.
It’s a pride thing with you that someone “like” you has a shot at being president, and that pride trumps your politics and your moral principles.
Pride, by the way, is one of the 7 deadly sins.
Puddybud wrote:
“What gets me is the hardened feminazi crowd who behind the scenes grumbles about Bill and his philandering and how she ignores it yet in public is mum.”
femiNAZI??????
That’s an odd term for someone who professes not to discrimante use. Let’s see women struggling for equality are deemed feminazi’s by you. But when blacks want equal rights you’re champioining the pursuit of civil liberties.
Hmmmm. . . you better back off that term Puddybud. It’s one that’s been coinded and quite frankly over used in the conservative circles that you run in and support. You knwo the same people who had to before the NAACP and aplogize for polarizing the race issue for they’re political advantage.
If you cannot, or will not admit that the discrimination you are projecting the exact same principle as calling a group of blacks niggers then you are far, far from having your moral compass pointed in the right direction.
Why is OK for you to call women who want equality femiNAZI’s but you get all uppity when someone calls you nigger, house nigger, field boy, uncle Tom?
Do you think women like your slanderous remarks?
Why are you so OK with tossing discrimitory remarks at women?
Think about it.
choosing one person over the other, for any reason, based soley on the color of the pigment of their skin is wrong and it’s racism.
Amen. It is so damn obvious, that it is almost impossible to fathom why anyone could not understand that crystal clear fact.
Shit, I’m making so many typos I can hardly understand my own words.
Sorry, but my points are still the same.
Hey GBS I answered you
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4492#comment-759918
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4492#comment-759924
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4492#comment-759929
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4492#comment-759931
http://www.horsesass.org/?p=4492#comment-759937
Enjoy…
GBS: Good try on Heilary. No she’s only in it from her husband’s coat tails. Go back and see what I wrote on GWB too GBS.
Regarding the Pride argument, yep it’s one of the 7 deadly sins if you have pride in yourself. That’s the Bible.
The other #205 is answered in the open thread.
Typical Lee. Gets his ass handed to him on another blog and then cuts and runs to his reload blog or here to pretend he kicked their ass.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
@ 208, posts by racists like you Buddypud, are never anything to enjoy. Especially when they are just more racist posts.