I disagree with today’s Seattle Times editorial on voter registration, and that’s okay — they’re entitled to their own opinion. But the headline they used, well, it’s fucking irresponsible: “Less tampering with state elections.”
I suppose, perhaps, they meant to advocate less tampering with state election laws, which seems to be the relatively even-tempered thesis of the editorial, but if they did, they could have just said so. No, instead they chose to leave a provocative, misleading headline dangling out there, that — even outside of the context of our 2004 gubernatorial election controversy — clearly implies that our state elections are being tampered with.
That’s tabloid journalism. Which again, I guess would be okay… if Frank Blethen were man enough to own up to the journalistic ethos that guides his op/ed pages.
Apart from its childish potshot at the bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Eric Oemig (who is ironically presented as a figure of ridicule in a piece that stoops to quoting Sen. Pam “Who took my roses?” Roach as the voice of reason,) there is little opportunity for fisking in the body of the editorial itself. As far as I can tell, the facts don’t seem particularly distorted, and the unnamed author makes an effort to present both sides of the argument. But the headline… oy… the headline.
The headline belies the true history of election tampering in America, which despite the popularized image of ballot-box-stuffing and fraud, has predominantly relied on voter suppression. There is no need to tamper with the results of an election if you can succeed in preventing your opponents’ supporters from voting, and so poll taxes, poll tests, felon disenfranchisement, unequal access to voting facilities, voter roll purges, dirty tricks and outright intimidation have long been the primary means of manipulating the results.
The purpose of Election Day registration is to make it easier for eligible citizens to vote, thus increasing voter turnout and decreasing the opportunity for voter suppression. Hell… what’s the use of a voter roll purge if an eligible voter can just re-register on Election Day? As for accurately verifying these last minute registrants, even the Times admits that “it could be done.” They just don’t think it’s worth the time and money.
Registering to vote already is easy, and vote-by-mail has made voting easier. It is not so bad to require a little effort on the part of the citizen.
“We’re talking about adults here,” says Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn. “At some point, the people have to take a responsibility.”
I guess when one’s political agenda is shared by only a small fraction of the electorate, universal suffrage must lose its universal appeal.
So sign I-25 and get an elected County Auditor just like the rest of the state.
“The purpose of Election Day registration is to make it easier for eligible citizens to vote, thus increasing voter turnout and decreasing the opportunity for voter suppression.”
The alternate purpose is to flood the elections department with spare ballots from non-citizens, dead citizens, citizens who have already voted by mail, and citizens who live in little tiny boxes at mail drops. Thus allowing unscrupulous elections officials to count the extra ballots until they get the answer the boss likes.
It stinks regardless of the party in power, D or R. If the situation in King County in 2004 had the R’s in power, don’t tell me you would have been fine with it.
Yeah, Delbert… thanks for contributing bullshit to the discussion. But then, you know that by constantly repeating that crap, eventually people will believe it.
There have been only a handful of documented incidents of genuine double-voting, dead voting and non-citizen voting over the past few years, out of over three million registered voters.
As for I-25, King County is not like the rest of the state. It has a third of the state’s voters. It is one of the largest voting jurisdictions in the nation. And thus it requires an elections director with expertise at running elections, not winning them.
Speaking of truth…
That most rare of all birds was recently seen in Arkansas. A Publican who points out that the right can’t hold Dems to one standard and Publicans to another…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17980177/
I predict this guy won’t last. People who tell the truth in the Publican party quickly go away.
Well here is some more Bullshit for you goldy….
How about the “forgotten” ballots found in January, after the elections are certified. Or the Acorn registrations found to be bogus.
Since KC has 1/3 of the states voters, it should be held at a higher standard than the rest of the State. It should have a Director who reports directly to an Auditor. Ron Simms should be no where in sight. He isn’t an elections professor.
Kiroking,
The bogus ACORN registrations proved the system works. Election officials refused to process them.
I’ve never said there weren’t mistakes in the 2004 election. There were. Many of those problems have since been fixed. But as a percentage of the total ballots cast, the error rate was far below that predicted in the scientific literature, and perentage wise, King County’s performance was middling compared to other counties in the state.
The only real problem King County presents to Republicans is the fact that we have so many Democratic voters.
Goldy …
How can you take this stand AND support mail in ballots? It is obvious that mail in ballots will lead to abuses that can not be pliced. Church vote and eat suppers, Boeing rally the vote sessions, preprinted ballots, booze for votes, …. all of that WILL happen.
On a small level I have already met a number of couples where one of the pair, usually the alpha male, votes for both of the pair.
Personally, I believe in the 24 hr. ballot place. Mail ins should be restricted as much as possible …
Imagine what Karl Rove could do with a mail in?
Sighhh. It is hard to see the future!
“We’re talking about adults here,” says Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn. “At some point, the people have to take a responsibility.”
BWAHAHA HA HA HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR !!!!!!!!!! Does she mean like her kid? Which one? The dope addict or the sophomoric moron?
@1 King County has the second-largest absentee vote in America — of 3,143 counties (and equivalents) only Los Angeles County has more absentee voters.
So who do you want counting King County’s votes? A politician, whose electoral management expertise can range from amateur to none, or a trained and experienced professional?
Elected elections director? No thanks. That’s a stupid idea, and asking for trouble.
@1 (continued) Besides, what do you hope to gain by changing Director of Records and Elections into an elective office? Accountability? We already have that; you can vote out the County Executive who appoints the Director.
This would be just one more set of candidates on the ballot that 95% of the voters know nothing about. If your secret hope is to sneak a Republican into this office under the radar, what do you think the chances of that happening are? The Democrats would own this office in perpetuity without trying, and they wouldn’t have to run even marginally qualified candidates. So, if your aim is to make elections less partisan, it will fail on that score too.
@1 (continued) You could get the same results by taping pictures of prospective elections directors (including kids, dogs, and cats) on the wall and throwing darts at them.
@2 “The alternate purpose is to flood the elections department with spare ballots from non-citizens, dead citizens, citizens who have already voted by mail, and citizens who live in little tiny boxes at mail drops. Thus allowing unscrupulous elections officials to count the extra ballots until they get the answer the boss likes.”
Bullshit. Wingnut bullshit, not supported by a shred of actual evidence or real facts. Nothing but partisan hot-air devoid of any relationship to reality.
@4 Oh, that’s precious, and definitely worth quoting! I agree, this guy won’t last:
“Huckabee says GOP not above character issues
“Clinton may be owed apology if party candidates not held to same standard
“Updated: 8:53 a.m. PT April 6, 2007
“LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – Former President Bill Clinton could be owed an apology by some Republicans if they don’t take character issues in candidates’ personal lives seriously in the upcoming presidential election, former Gov. Mike Huckabee says.
“Without naming names, the GOP presidential hopeful complained that some in his party — particularly Christian evangelicals — ‘talk as if, in this election cycle, Republican candidates aren’t going to be held to a standard of personal accountability and responsibility for their personal lives.’
“‘If that’s true, there are going to be a lot of Republicans who will owe Bill Clinton a great big public apology,’ Huckabee said. ‘We can’t have a set of rules that we apply to Democrats that we don’t apply to ourselves ….’
“Huckabee, a Southern Baptist minister who left office in January, … supports ‘covenant marriages’ in which divorces are more difficult to obtain. GOP rivals Rudy Giuliani and Sen. John McCain have each been divorced. Huckabee and Clinton have not. …
“Huckabee was asked during a conference call with reporters what role character would play in the presidential race. …
Huckabee said Republicans not paying attention to the personal lives of their own candidates ‘would be troubling because that inconsistency would show it really wasn’t about principles. It was about personality, character assassination and politics.'”
“It was about personality, character assassination and politics” … yes, but we already know that, don’t we?
Just like it’s o.k. for Laura Bush, Karen Hughes, and Condi Rice to wear head scarves in foreign countries out of respect and deference to local cultures; but it’s not o.k. when Pelosi does it.
GOP = fucking hypocrites
@5 “How about the ‘forgotten’ ballots found in January, after the elections are certified.”
What about it? Let’s talk about that. Those ballots were lost, not hidden. And there weren’t enough of them to change the result — even if every single one of those votes was for Rossi. But you don’t know who they were for; they could all have been Gregoire votes, for all you know. There’s no such thing as a perfect election, dumbass. This is merely an example of the kinds of mistakes that occur in all elections, everywhere, all the time. But all of these points no doubt fly over your pointy little head. I have a suggestion: If you want fewer mistakes, pay more taxes so King County can hire more elections staff. There’s a direct relationship between how much you spend on election administration and how accurate the ballot handling is.
“Or the Acorn registrations found to be bogus.”
Setting aside, for the moment, the question of whether all, some, or any Acorn registrations were “bogus” as you put it, you are talking about voter registrations in distant states, are you not? I’m not aware of an Acorn registration drive in King County. So what the fuck does this have to do with King County? Hint for the clueless: It’s irrelevant to the topic under discussion.
“Since KC has 1/3 of the states voters, it should be held at a higher standard than the rest of the State.”
So you’re saying sloppy election administration is more acceptable in sparsely population, Rossi-leaning counties? What an unmitigated load of crap. Typical wingnut double standard. You want to make rules for us that you won’t follow yourself! Go fuck yourself.
“It should have a Director who reports directly to an Auditor. Ron Simms should be no where in sight. He isn’t an elections professor.”
Agreed — Sims isn’t an elections professor, as you put it (although I think “elections professional” would be a more meaningful concept here). The thing is, Sims didn’t get involved with the ’04 election, or any other election. What was his involvement? He didn’t have any, so this is another irrelevancy — a mere spewing point of an ignorant ass who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
What, exactly, would be gained by creating another layer of management over elections — and a politician at that? How does creating an elective office, whose incumbent may know even less than you do about elections administration (which is nothing), and will have plenty of temptation to inject political interference into the impartial administration of elections, improve the process?
You are one dumb turd, even for a wingnut.
There was indeed voter fraud in the 2004 Washington election and according to the Publican judge in the Publican county where the Publicans brought suit, all the fraud was found to have been done by Publicans voting for Rossi. And then a Publican Sec State signed off on the whole thing. Talk about bullshit. If only the righties would have been 1/10th as interested in the truth about the 2000 election…
@7 You are so wrong in so many ways …
“It is obvious that mail in ballots will lead to abuses that can not be pliced.”
No, it’s not “obvious” — or even apparent; in fact, it’s hard to imagine. Let’s review a few basic facts:
1. Absentee ballots are collected and handled at a central location, reducing the chances of lost or mislaid ballots; whereas there are over 4,000 polling places in King County, which greatly increases the chances of losing ballots.
2. The absentee ballot counting facility is run by full-time professional staff; whereas the 4,000+ polling places are run by volunteer amateurs who receive 4 hours of training a year and work only 1 or 2 days a year. Thus, ballots are far more likely to be mishandled at polling places than in the absentee ballot facility.
3. Absentee ballots are name-checked and signature-checked against voter registration lists the same as poll ballots, so there should be no difference in opportunities for “abuses.”
4. How do you supervise, much less “police,” over 4,000+ polling places? Have you ever worked in a polling place? I’m a King County pollworker with half a dozen elections under my belt. Here’s how it works. Once (or at most twice) during the day (which runs from 6 a.m. to 9 p.m.), a “troubleshoot” (who, like the pollworkers, is a temporary, part-time, lightly-trained, non-professional volunteer) shows up at the polling location to make sure everything is okay or provide assistance with any problems (such as equipment breakdowns). The troubleshooter doesn’t even look at the poll books, and would have no way of knowing if there were illegal votes even if he/she did. Poll voting is NOT less prone to error than absentee voting; and it certainly is NOT “policed” more intensely.
“Church vote and eat suppers, Boeing rally the vote sessions, preprinted ballots, booze for votes, …. all of that WILL happen.”
So what? Are votes fraudulent because they’re cast in a church, or because people eat the same day they vote? BTW, food is NOT allowed in polling places … preprinted ballots? Are you referring to the ballot guides that are distributed by unions, church groups, campaigns, and yes, by Republicans as well as Democrats? So fucking what? Voters are allowed to take notes, printed materials, voter pamphlets, and anything else they want into the polling place to help them fill out their selections. The law doesn’t require them to memorize who they want to vote for. The law doesn’t even require them to exercise their own judgment — a lot of Republicans certainly don’t, they vote for whoever their local ayatollah tells them to vote for, which is invariably a rightwing Republican.
“On a small level I have already met a number of couples where one of the pair, usually the alpha male, votes for both of the pair.”
So what? If a wife wants to walk behind her husband and vote for whoever he tells her to vote for, that’s her business. There’s no law against it. In some relationships, one of the partners does the thinking for both of them — and, more often than not, it’s the wife doing the thinking, not the other way around. Some guys NEED to be told when to piss, how to brush their teeth, and who to vote for — because they’re too stupid to figure it out themselves. That’s usually not a problem as long as they keep bringing home the paycheck that keeps the family fed.
“Personally, I believe in the 24 hr. ballot place. Mail ins should be restricted as much as possible …”
Having worked as a pollworker in half a dozen elections, pesonally I believe all the pollworkers would fall asleep after about 16 hours and the polling place would be nonfunctional during the graveyard shift. Considering how many pollworkers are senior citizens (roughly 80%) it’s amazing we keep our eyes open from 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. Want more mistakes? Make us work a 24-hour shift.
“Imagine what Karl Rove could do with a mail in?”
Imagine what Karl Rove CAN’T do with a mail-in vote:
1. He can’t lock voting machines in warehouses so voters in Democratic precincts have to wait 8 to 10 hours in line to vote, as happened in Ohio;
2. He can’t challenge voters at the head of the line to create even longer delays, as happened in Ohio;
3. He can’t hack the software of the voting machines, as happened in Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, and numerous other places;
4. He can’t deploy cops to pull over black voters and block their access to polling places, as happened in Florida in 2000;
5. He can’t confuse voters by posting phony signs in neighborhoods that misdirect them to the wrong location, or mislead them into thinking the election is on a different day (these are standard tactics of GOP dirty tricksters that have been used all over the country, especially in poor, urban, and predominantly minority precincts);
6. Etc.
In fact, the more I think about all the ingenious GOP voter suppression tactics, the better mail-in voting looks, because it’s much harder to interfere with someone’s access to a mailbox than it is to interfere with their access to a voting machine. So … go fuck yourself.
“Sighhh. It is hard to see the future!”
Not at all. I see a future of honest elections in which every eligible voter is able to vote without having his/her constitutional rights interfered with or taken away by Republican bullies. I see a future in which the candidate the majority of eligible voters chose actually wins the election. I see a future of government of, by, and for the people — instead of a government hijacked by a small grouop of political extremists bent on looting the nation for their own benefit. The sooner we get rid of polling places and voting machines, and move to mail-in voting, the quicker the unfulfilled promise of American democracy will be achieved, and the faster we will be rid of Republican corruption and incompetence! Mail-in voting: B-R-I-N-G I-T O-N!!! It can’t get here soon enough to suit me!!!
If I may digress briefly from the election topic, Time Magazine published a notable column this week on the implosion of the Bush administration:
“An Administration’s Epic Collapse
“By JOE KLEIN
“Thursday, Apr. 05, 2007
” … [A] substantial majority of the public remains happy the Democrats won in 2006, but neither Nancy Pelosi nor Harry Reid has dominated the public consciousness …. There is a reason for that. A much bigger story is unfolding: the epic collapse of the Bush Administration.
“The three big Bush stories of 2007 — the decision to ‘surge’ in Iraq, the scandalous treatment of wounded veterans at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys for tawdry political reasons — precisely illuminate the three qualities that make this Administration one of the worst in American history: arrogance (the surge), incompetence (Walter Reed) and cynicism (the U.S. Attorneys).
“Iraq comes first, as always. From the start, it has been obvious that personal motives have skewed the President’s judgment about the war. Saddam tried to kill his dad; his dad didn’t try hard enough to kill Saddam. There was payback to be had. But never was Bush’s adolescent petulance more obvious than in his decision to ignore the Baker-Hamilton report and move in the exact opposite direction: adding troops and employing counterinsurgency tactics inappropriate to the situation on the ground. ‘There was no way he was going to accept [its findings] once the press began to portray the report as Daddy’s friends coming to the rescue,’ a member of the Baker-Hamilton commission told me. As with Bush’s invasion of Iraq, the decision to surge was made unilaterally, without adequate respect for history or military doctrine. Iraq was invaded with insufficient troops and planning; the surge was attempted with too few troops …, a purposely misleading time line … and, most important, the absence of a reliable Iraqi government.
“General David Petraeus has repeatedly said, ‘A military solution to Iraq is not possible.’ Translation: This thing fails unless there is a political deal among the Shi’ites, Sunnis and Kurds. There is no such deal on the horizon, largely because of the President’s aversion to talking to people he doesn’t like. …
“Bush’s indifference to reality in Iraq is not an isolated case. It is the modus operandi of his Administration. The indifference of his Environmental Protection Agency to the dangers of carbon dioxide emissions was rejected by the Supreme Court on April 2.
“On April 3, the President again accused Democrats of being ‘more interested in fighting political battles in Washington than providing our troops what they need.’ Such demagoguery is particularly outrageous given the Administration’s inability to provide our troops ‘what they need’ at the nation’s premier hospital for veterans. The mold and decrepitude at Walter Reed are likely to be only the beginning of the tragedy, the latest example of incompetence in this Administration. ‘This is yet another aspect of war planning that wasn’t done properly,’ says Paul Rieckhoff of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. ‘The entire VA hospital system is unprepared for the casualties of Iraq, especially the psychiatric casualties. A lot of vets are saying, “This is our Katrina moment.” And they’re right: this Administration governs badly because it doesn’t care very much about governing.’
“Compared with Iraq and Walter Reed, the firing of the U.S. Attorneys is a relatively minor matter. It is true that U.S. Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President, but they … must appear to be above politics — not working to influence elections, for example — if public faith in the impartiality of the justice system is to be maintained. Once again Karl Rove’s operation has corrupted a policy area — like national security — that should be off-limits to political operators.
“When Bush came to office … I speculated that the new President would have to govern in a bipartisan manner to be successful. He chose the opposite path, and his hyper-partisanship has proved to be a travesty of governance and a comprehensive failure. I’ve tried to be respectful of the man and the office, but the three defining sins of the Bush Administration — arrogance, incompetence, cynicism — are congenital: they’re part of his personality. They’re not likely to change. And it is increasingly difficult to imagine yet another two years of slow bleed with a leader so clearly unfit to lead.”
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Roger Rabbit Commentary: Unfit to lead OR command — that’s George W. Bush. Unfit. What a damning word. There, in 6 letters, is the judgment of contemporary experience — and the probable judgment of history.
But of more immediate concern to GOP office holders (or wannabes) than Bush’s reputation or historical legacy is the threat that Bush’s mile-wide-and-mile-deep unpopularity poses down-ticket, and perhaps to the party’s very survival. These politicians, even more than Democrats, should be thinking “impeachment.”
You can’t, of course, impeach a president for being hyper-partisan, or for being an incompetent boob. You can, however, impeach a president for violating his oath of office; for ignoring the Constitution; for governing lawlessly. And Bush has done all of these things.
It’s show-time for House and Senate Republicans. They need a divorce from their unfit leader. Right now. This can’t wait two years. If they do wait two years, the voters will effectuate the divorce for them — not only from Bush, but from the entire Republican Party, and down the ticket all the way to dogcatcher.
So far, I haven’t seen any of the righty trolls come forward to explain why it’s okay for Laura Bush, Karen Hughes, and Condi Rice to wear head scarves in Arab countries in deference to local customs — but it’s not okay for Pelosi to do it.
Nor have they explained why it’s okay for three Republican congressman to visit Syria the same week Pelosi visited Syria — but it’s not okay for Pelosi to do it.
In infer from their silence they don’t have an answer to that. Their hypocrisy is on display for all to see. One blog I saw calls it “barking at the moon.” You can put your own interpretation on that.
Roger, you almost convince me to start supporting vote-by-mail. I’m going to have to think hard about some of the positives that I did not see.
There is still something important to me about going to my polling place and casting my ballot, but I must admit that it is more of an intangible feeling of having done my civic duty than anything else. Well, that and the bake sale in the Narthex of the church where I vote.
Good pumpkin bread. You’d like the carrot cupcakes. I think at least part of the reason is to encourage people to do their voting, then get out of the way.
I can’t get my goodies until after I’m done voting.
I infer, not In infer
In fact, so far the trolls haven’t even shown themselves in this thread, except for Delbert (who disappeared after getting a smackdown from a rabbit).
Maybe they’re all in church this weekend.
Well, I have some errands to run, so — later, trolls. I’ll see you when I see you, unless they hang you for treason first.
I would agree with Goldy on elected auditor and take it one step further that electing a sheriff is wrong as well. Electing a sheriff was just the Republican way of showcasing Dave Reichert.
I really believe that the council-manager system works well for small cities like Maple Valley also.
Pam Roach talking about “adults here” and “taking responsibilty.” Like Pam’s history of legislative decorum has been either adult like or responsible. Sign me up for hunting safety with, fire first and identify the target later, Cheney.
@32 is an imposter post.
I’m flattered that some troll is hijacking my screen name. It means I’m getting to them. Keep up the good work, Roger!!!
@30 is a fake post, too. Looks like I’m getting on some wingnut’s nerves. (pause)
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re 31: What do you think would happen if someone offered Tom DeLay $100,000 cash money? Come to think of it, why didn’t they?
Can you say: “entrapment”?
Roger Rabbit
Mail in Ballots
Roger Rabbit says:
@7 You are so wrong in so many ways …
1. Absentee ballots are collected and handled at a central location, reducing the chances of lost or mislaid ballots; whereas there are over 4,000 polling places in King County, which greatly increases the chances of losing ballots.
So??? I am not esp. worried by COUNTING the ballots. Aside from a lot of noise, there have been very few cases where ballot miscounts resulted in a bad election. On the other hand, vote purchasing and manufacture of ballots is an old story!
If you were any more naive I would worry about the reproductive future of your species. The real danger of the Roves and their ilk, of either party, is that elections become about ho many votes you can buy rather than any sort of thought by the voters.
Imagine Paul Allen wanting to buy another stadium. How much do you suppose it would cost to buy the votes of folks who usually do not vote? There is no way to assure that mail-in votes are PRIVATE and privacy is the essence of a free vote.
Mr Hijack NoreBUTTal (AKA Harry Tuttle): Here’s one for you: Navigate to Zogby and find the poll on
• Overall, 26% of likely voters are “very concerned,” and 19% are “somewhat concerned” there will be “high levels of corruption in the White House” if Hillary is elected president, including approximately one in five Democrats (18.8%).
• A total of 42% of likely voters describe Hillary Clinton as “very corrupt” (17%) or “somewhat corrupt” (25%), including 21.2% of the Democrats likely to vote.
• 36% of likely voters agree with the statement: “If Hillary Clinton is elected president, Bill Clinton cannot be trusted to behave honestly in the White House.”
SeattleJew: Vote Purchasing? Donkocraps?
You mean in Chicago with patronage jobs?
You mean in St Louis with illicit drugs?
You mean in Milwaukee with slashing tires on Republican get out the vote vans?
Just checking.
Why does Laura Bush get to kill someone while driving drunk, and the wingnuts are still beating up Kennedy 35 years later for the same thing?