The big news in Seattle today is the death of one of our two daily newspapers… mostly ignoring the fact that the Seattle Post-Intelligencer really isn’t dead. At least not yet. And while the ceasing of print publication after 146 years is certainly a momentous, and even a sad occasion, it is the loss of people not paper that we should really mourn.
Ten years from now we may look back on this day and shrug. As our nation’s first major online-only daily, the P-I may prosper and grow. It may find a workable business model through innovation or providence or some combination thereof. It may over time expand its staff and its original reporting; it may even become a better news organization online than it ever was in print.
Maybe. Who knows? After all, it’s only newsprint we’re losing, something fewer and fewer of us bother to sully our hands with every day. This is high tech, digital Seattle, and if an online daily is gonna work anywhere, there’s a good chance it’s gonna work here first.
But the people—the 85% or so of P-I staffers who are now without jobs—well, they’re irreplaceable, and they’re who our city will really miss, at least in the short term. Some will retire, some will move away and some will switch careers altogether. A few will continue to cover our region as freelancers or independents or through new online news ventures of their own. But the void in our local media left by today’s furlough of the bulk of the P-I’s newsroom staff won’t be filled easily or quickly.
So while I wish the remaining P-I staffers the best of luck in their online adventure, and remind them that it is an encouraging first step to see the Hearst Corporation even try this at all, it is their fallen colleagues to whom I send my condolences, not the institution itself. And for those of you who choose to continue your journalism careers by joining together and striking out on your own, I hope you use today’s events as inspiration to get out there and kick your former employer’s ass.
OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH listed as SUICIDE due to thousands of self-inflicted kuts caused by LEFTIST PINHEADED ideology.
Also, the Medicdal Examiner is probing a likely connection to “Shitferbrains Syndrome”.
It was an UGLY death.
Joel Cornholey is likely going to be indicted as the lead Co-Conspirator of this vast Left-Wing consipiracy to kill the P-I!
BEST LETTER TO EDITOR—EVER!
Chew on it KLOWNS!
Now Obama is going to be forced to support a TASS-like government newspaper to do his dirty work propaganda.
Good luck to those that lost their jobs today, it’s a hard time and I wish them luck in their new endeavors….the bright side is look at the how much good this does for the environment. Less paper means saving trees.
@1-2: Pfft. If you think that this is because the Seattle PI is “liberal”, I’ve got a defunct conservative newspaper in Denver that proves otherwise.
Then again, fools like him think that Fox News is actually “fair and balanced”.
demo kid–
Kontrol your anger KLOWN!
It’s one of the precusor symptoms of the LEFTIST disease called “Shitferbrains Syndrome”!
Appears you are already in Stage 4 idiot!
Yeah, cynical, if only they could have dumped their toxic waste into the Duwamish, paid their employees slave wages without benefits, etc.., the paper would be thriving. Wouldn’t that be nice!
I do run a small business in this city, I do know what is required from the Government first hand, and I do know you are either spectacularly ignorant, or just a disingenuous ass-hole.
Fox News is no substitute for an Econ degree. Please educate yourself, or shut the hell up.
sarge–
“Small business” owner, huh?
What, an AMWAY Distributorship like Roger Rabbit failed at??
How many employees sarge?
What type of business??
You are one of the few Washington “small business owners” that seems to love Gregoire’s $8.3 BILLION Deficit and the State Pension Fund losing tens of BILLIONS with Hedge Fund and other risky investments..
Methinks you are a phoney.
Actually, I have a couple degrees from Big Ten schools…and obviously know a whole lot more about thriving in our great capitalist system & economics than you do….for example, the OBAMA PORKULOUS PACKAGE is more about SPENDING than STIMULOUS. You blindly follow Obama…like the rest of the “Shitferbrains Syndrome” inflicted LEFTISTS.
But tell us more sarge….this time THE WHOLE TRUTH! How many FTE’s sarge? What benefits do your employees get??
Gotta love it: Goldy, with his thousand-jahre Goldy Gold-Star-Mother P-I Suck-Up Sycophant Subscription, will have the remaining 987 years filled with the Blethen Bugle. Starting tomorrow morning. That reassuring thump on Goldy’s porch will be Frank’s way of letting Goldy know who’s on top and who’s on first … at least until Blethen and Brodeur go down for the last time.
Goldy,
In the spirit of money talks:
I will pay you to ban Cyniclown. My offer is $50 a month, on a month to month basis. I will make the first payment of three months in advance as soon as you accept my proposal.
Cyniclown claims to understand free enterprise and supports a free market. So instead of using this market for free….. Should he choose to do so, in order to remain “on the air” here at HA he is free to beat my offer. He pollutes this place like no other since JCH. I see this as Goldy having something of value that I wish to purchase the use of(the power to ban).
Perhaps this is part of a business model that will succeed. Imagine the income you could generate by auctioning off troll, manoftruth and thetruth just for starters.
This is a genuine offer, Goldy. The paypal payment can be yours in just minutes. I have just had enough of Cyniclown and his lack of ability to generate anything of value here at HA.
Carl
Cynical:
You hide behind a pseudonym, and anonymously spew your hostile insanities. I’m not anonymous, most people know how to find me without much effort.
Do I really need to explain C+I+G + (X-M) to you? Gov’t spending IS the stimulus. I suggest you read nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman, he explains it in layman’s terms you might be able to understand.
I have a service/manufacturing business that employs a dozen people with operations in Seattle & Redmond, that does about $2 million/yr in sales.
http://www.onthepress.com
come visit me any time.
Also, you can find me at The Mustard Seed grill and Pub for Drinking Liberally in Newport hills the first Monday of each month.
I challenge you to come out of the closet, or get lost.
7:
Liar, Liar pants on fire.
Your ability (or lack thereof) to spell, string together a cogent sentence, form a proper paragraph or produce a complete written article belies your “couple of degrees from Big Ten schools”.
Tell me, Cyniclown, when you sit there in front of your computer do you keep notes on the lies that you type on the keyboard?
Do you get an erection when you reread them? Do you get a satisfying “happy ending” when you hit the “Submit Comment” button?
Does your family know you live this fantasy life and do they ever mention to you that you show signs of severe mental illness and impairment? Or do they coddle you with “well that’s just Uncle Cyniclown, you know how he is”?
I know intelligence when I see it. I also know bullshit when I see that too, Dipwad. The pile of excrement that you sling from seems to have no end. You are able “make” something in your life fit just about every issue discussed here. You proclaim to be an expert in just about every subject mentioned here at HA. It just never ends with you. You are loquacious, that is certain. Unfortunately everything you say rings hollow. Like your soul, just empty and hollow.
When you provide your real name and verification of your “couple of degrees from Big Ten schools”….never mind, you can’t verify a lie.
Can’t wait to hear how angry I am in writing this and the swear words you will use punctuate your empty, useless “points”.
I have not said this in a long, long time because I told Teresa I would clean up my act and behave like the educated, experienced adult that I am.
Go fuck yourself, Clownboy.
PS Everyone here knows my name too. In case you have forgotten: Carl Grossman, Liberal Democrat, Jewish and proud.
Sarge @ 10
Do I really need to explain C+I+G + (X-M) to you? Gov’t spending IS the stimulus. I suggest you read nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman, he explains it in layman’s terms you might be able to understand.
If economics were that simple, Zimbabwe would be the richest country in the world. Zimbabwe has spent countless billions on government stimulus and deficit spending. Or is that trillions? Or quadrillions? Or maybe even octillions?
my left foot
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There you go again making a complete ass of yourself. If you had a brain you would use it for the good of all the people not your phony
liberal trash. I would bet people like you beat the hell out of their kids for not finishing a meal. notright,pl and you have to be the same fool grossman.
The right keeps playing the violin for “small business”, but what they’re really doing is pimping for the likes of Wal-Mart, Halliburton, the giant drug and insurance companies and the banks that have been doing such a good job lately of making money evaporate. They could give a shit about the guy running your local hardware store, the lady selling lattes out of a trailer down the block or the guy who cut your hair last week–or for that matter about “Joe the Plumber”, once his value as a poster child has run out.
The internet was the predator that hunted the PI to extinction, but for that to happen the newspapers had horribly weakened their kind by 1) ridiculous pro-big-gov’t, pro-Democratic bias in the purportedly ‘objective’ news pages; 2) complete lack of engaging writing, something that Goldy has pointed out.
Regarding (2) it is not accidental that when a journalist leaves the papers they do not typically move on to another writing job. Instead they move to a bureaucratic position with gov’t or politically connected org. E.g. David Postman, Ammons, Alex Fryer, Casey Corr, Sam Sperry, Ed Penhale, etc.
#7
Hey, Cyn. How you been? Not growing an original thought yet eh?
Porkulous, you stole that from Limbaugh, admit it. And I see you type that word at least five times a day. Verrrry original.
Just what exactly do you think a stimulous is if not spending? Remember the Bush stimuli? (Here’s your check taxpayer, please spend it.) Ask the employees of Sharper Image, Linnens ‘n’ Things, Circuit City, Mother’s Cookies and on and on how well that worked.
But here state of Washington, here’s half a billion, go pave some roads or finish that light rail from the U-District to the airport. Or hire some more cops or teachers. No one will keep or get a job that way.
Your Big-10 degrees must not have been in Economics or else you were an athlete that got a degree without attending classes.
I don’t know you from Adam, but in my life anyone who ever bragged about “thriving in our great capitalist system” was born into it and never really worked at it. I however built my own business with a Pac-10 degree and worked from the age of 16 to put myself through school. I also took advantage of various socialist programs like Pell Grants and Clinic-type healthcare to fill in the gaps. I’m glad my company and I personally pay for those socialist programs so others might have the opportunity to succeed as I did.
13:
Try saying that in full, complete sentences. The simian that lies beneath your surface seemed to get out on that comment.
Goldy …
great piece.
Few will understand this but this event was actually predicted by Lenin. He maintained that capitalism could not sustain a free press.
Of course, Lenin used his prediction to justify the abolition of a free press in the USSR.
Without reporting, blogging and its ilk will be a pale nostrum over the need for information to fuel democracy.
13: addendum
truth, the truth is I have done more to better this country than an entire army of your kind. Instead of sitting back, letting the world pass me by, I went out and made something of myself.
Everything I did was for the betterment of this country and its citizens. Now I am retired, fortunate to have a family and a wife that love me, a home to call my own and some discretionary spending money.
As part of my targeted stimulus plan (Horsesass.org is the bulls eye) I am offering Goldy $5 per month to ban you and I will pay for a year in advance to silence the chalk board scratching that you post. You are not in Cyniclown’s league, more like a gnat that needs a good swatting.
truth, quit hiding behind the monitor, come out into the light of day. Anything less is just more proof of the cowardice that consumes your soul.
Richard Pope, it really is that simple. The U.S. isn’t Zimbabwe, it is the leading economy of the world. An economy for which the OMB projects a 3 trillion dollar drop off in economic activity, fueling millions of job losses, and almost certainly bringing on a world wide depression should the Gov’t sit on it’s hands and not jump in and spend big.
Meanwhile, our infrastructure and education have deteriorated, and we need to invest there in order to have a viable economy in the future.
Not very complicated, and Zimbabwe isn’t in the remotest way relevant to the discussion.
@1 “Shitferbrains” is an apt description of both you and your entire retinue of goats.
P.S., The death of the print P-I had nothing to do with ideology. I mean — really — a Seattle paper going down because it’s too liberal? Your goats are smarter than you.
P.P.S., If you couldn’t find a copy of the P-I’s last print edition on newsstands this morning, and you’re wondering where they all went, just look on e-Bay.
20 Gee…..that must mean we’re “too big to fail”.
@2 Overregulation? Overtaxation? Of who? Surely not the untaxed greedheads who brought the entire U.S. economy down. They were, after all, totally unregulated and all but untaxed.
@6 Roger Rabbit Quiz
Mr. Cynical is:
[ ] 1. spectacularly ignorant,
[ ] 2. a disingenuous ass-hole,
[ ] 3. a goatfucker,
[ ] 4. all of the above.
Hint: There is only ONE correct answer!
@22 We definitely can fail, as in “total collapse” and “mass hunger”, and Republicans are determined to prove it!
@19
Your a phony! I hope he takes you on your offer.
I would recommend that he demands you pay two months in advance to assure he get’s paid from a deadbeat we all know you are.
I wonder how Frank Blethen is gonna make the payments on his $150 million printing plant without the P-I?
Anytime a wingnut flings around the word “truth” — watch out!!!
Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon is proposing to decouple health insurance from employment. Read about his interesting proposal — which has bipartisan support — in Time magazine.
Our employer-based health insurance doesn’t work anymore. There’s no logical reason to keep it, and a lot of compelling reasons to scrap it, not least the fact it doesn’t work very well for most people. It originated from a historical anomaly: World War II employers, constrained by wage controls, competed for scarce workers by offering health insurance. World War II wage and price controls ended 60 years ago! We don’t need this system anymore! It’s obsolete! It’s time to move into the 21st century on health insurance.
Let’s try to keep it on-topic, people.
Thank you,
– comment section moderator
@15
More to the point the ROI on newspaper display advertising isn’t that great. Craigslist, ebay, monster, and friends killed classified advertising. Direct mail advertising took away most of the weekly inserts from supermarkets and the like.
Some of it is a marketing problem. Newspapers have done a horrible job at making themselves relevant to today’s advertisers or at finding new advertisers to replace old ones.
re 7: Sarge doesn’t have to tell you more. You, apparently, can read his mind.
Big business loves regulations. Regulations that keep the little guy little or non existent.
We are talking regulations that keep the environment (both worldly and Financial)free from the toxic wasteland that large corporations seem to thrive in.
@30 The topic of this blog is
REPUBLICANS SUCK
and being as you’re a Republican the topic of this thread is
YOU SUCK
@30 The topic of this blog is
REPUBLICANS SUCK
and being as you’re a Republican the topic of this thread is
YOU SUCK
Interesting discrepancy in news reporting. New York Post reports Natasha Richardson is brain dead after ski accident. CNN says she was merely injured.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBI.....index.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03.....160027.htm
5 Cynical
You’re telling someone to “control their anger?”
Thanks for the laugh.
Deep thought:
Six months ago Republicans were screaming that the government should not attempt to “dictate” compensation for private employees at financial institutions.
26:
I offered to pay upfront for a YEAR IN ADVANCE you ignorant neanderthal. Try reading the entire post. Perhaps if you laid off the animal beer so early in the day……..
Goldy knows that I will pay. Paypal is available 24 hours a day and he can be spending the stimulus money in minutes.
and dumb fuck, you wrote:
Which would look far more intelligent this way:
(My corrections are in CAPS)
You’RE a phony! I hope he takes you UP on your offer. I would recommend that he DEMAND that you pay two months in advance to assure he gets paid. WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE A DEADBEAT. (never mind that I offered to pay an entire year in advance. Reading comprehension is not exactly your strong suit, is it?)
See how that flows? See the how I used the proper “you’re” and did not use a run on sentence.
You are an ignorant, uneducated, bigoted asshole. Every post that you leave here screams “I am the dumbest motherfucker in the world”.
I agree with you.
@37
Key word in your comment is private. AIG is no longer a private company. Gov’t owns 80% of it now.
@38
I know Goldy. We went to Wharton together. And there is no way he would ever ban a commenter. It’s a point of pride with him. Censorship, and all that. And he certainly wouldn’t do it for money. That, in his mind, would even be worse.
30:
All time “POT,KETTLE, BLACK” award for this post.
Nice going troll. You ignorant fuck.
@19
my left foot,pl and notright
BTW, Your story is another fairytale no one believes you. I can careless what you say or your lefties say on this site (all BS). I’m not trying to keep up with anyone on this site. I’m a strong individual who doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone especially a low self esteem low life like you. I doubt you can afford the 60.00 in advance my offer of 2 months in advance was for my compassion for you. Knowing you will need to give up food to pay your HA bill.
41:
Dear lies,
Do you read what you type before you hit “Submit Comment”?
Since you don’t care you should probably just go away. I know that sitting in the 1970’s era single wide Marlette trailer, you are left with no hope and no future.
Using food stamps that you cashed in at 50% to buy your used eMachine is a Federal crime. You might want to turn yourself in….the Federal penitentiary would be several steps up from your current situation. I bet even in the pen the newspaper is delivered daily.
Listen dumbass, you can’t keep up because you get too angry and start typing rather than thinking it out before you type. Try some patience and I bet you could do much better.
If you would like to meet me and come to my home and see how I live, well, you are more than welcome. I have no fear of you and you should have no fear of me. Unless, of course, you mean me harm.
I’m just curious, will CYNCYN and the other child-molesting cock-riding Publicans sing a different song when right wing publications fail? Since thinking people understand that the failure of newspapers is pretty much tied to a combination of the economy and changes in how things are done due to the Internet, we believe these things will happen more and more to ALL newspapers. Even “conservative” newspapers will fail. Are we to understand that the right wing turds will then claim it was the “conservative” bent of those papers that closed them or will it be the usual Publican double standard?
@42
Your funny I’m not going away. I get my laughs reading the left wacko post like yours. Didn’t you forget to call me white trash?
You take yourself too seriously, nothing you or your ilk can say will get me upset or angry.
For you to come up with that is telling.
I would not want to meet you as I don’t care anything about you left wacko’s. Knowing you you would rent a house for your show loser.LMAO
I will continue to pray for you and your ilk.
44:
You are over using the word “ilk”. If I can’t pay Goldy, how the hell can I rent a show house.
I really wish you would think before you write.
Not wanting to meet others with a differing point of view is very dangerous. Trying to separate the parties and Americans did not work so well for your ILK. It also exposes your cowardice.
My offer to meet and buy you a beer stands.
Please, try to use the correct the “your” or “you’re”. The lack of education is very telling.
I would have called you white trash but being Captain Obvious is not my thing. Thanks for admitting to it though.
44:
You have managed to prove that of all the axioms in the world………
You can’t fix stupid
……. is the one most true.
Congratulations!!
38 T
Is that your position? That the government should set compensation for AIG employees?
@44: Maybe if you started with cleaning up your atrocious grammar, people would pay attention to what you have to say:
You are is contracted to you’re not your (the possesive). Most people learned this in third grade. You are a laughingstock – I could also write that you’re a laughingstock. Either way it would be correct.
Darn MLF – you already corrected the fool!
@2: What a moron that Weiser idiot is. Excuse me, did he look at the business model of the PI and figure outr that something called the internet was cutting out the ad revenues. No, the myopic fool tried to tie the demise of the PI to taxes.
What a pathetic tool. What amazes me is how simplistic and ignorant the right wing fools really are. Is cynical really that stupid? Well, maybe it is not so amazing after all.
Hey, idiot cynical the Seattle Times is all for lower taxes and less estate taxes – they are failing too. So much for that pendantic argument. You really are stupid.
“sitting in the 1970’s era single wide Marlette trailer”
Eeugh! Breathing all that formaldehyde and mold spores? No wonder he’s lost his mind.
Mitch McConnell was telling us in February how terrible it would be to dictate executive compensation at AIG, months AFTER we obtained our 80% stake:
Didn’t I mention that excessive squirming is unseemly?
Do you know how many Republican senators from southern states voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Zero. That’s seven less than the number of southern state Democrat senators who voted for the act. Just like Obama and his budget, Johnson needed northen state Republicans to show some common sense and decency to get Civil Rights passed. I only look for Puddy to be consistent and give no credit to Democrats for the current budget just as he gave Democrats no credit for the Civil Rights Act. That leaves the credit to who? Republicans.
Still squirming?
Oops. Wrong thread.
@45
It took you three post to respond to my one.
Are you not having a good day?
I’m sure with obama economy in such a mess you could find what you would call show house for $1.00 a day. I meet others gladly who have a open mind something you and your ilk lack.
If you have more funny stuff to add go ahead however, if I don’t reply right away then I’m still laughing at you.
Woman of lies is another piece of shit Publican who won’t stand up for anything she says. Why would she? The publican position is based on fear and lies and nobody in their right mind wants to associate with that.
Now that PRESIDENT OBAMA has single-handedly started to correct the Bush Depression, this country has a fighting chance. Something the America-haters on the right can’t stand.
54:
To you, mr. truth, an open mind is someone who agrees completely and totally with you and your ILK.
How is it that you don’t see my agreeing to meet you and your (not you’re) refusal as being indicative of your closed mind?
That formaldehyde has done a number on you, sir.
You keep making a ass of yourself.
Too bad you haven’t read all my posts. The last one would be interest to you. This was my reply to Steve last week he had the same lies about me as you. I laid out my feeling about Republicans. It’s best you start reading before attacking someone.(Talk about a closed mind). Besides your boring and have nothing to add to a post except HA talking points. Meeting you would be a laugh I have never see in real life a liberal wacko. Purple hair with nose rings and tall boots and leather paints.
Your talking about attacks on me that is based on your day dreaming.
re 57: …and his sister has rings on her fingers and bells on her toes and a bone in her nose — ho, ho…..
My guess is Woman of Lies doesn’t want you to see the big black dildo she has hanging out her lying ass at all times.
@57 “my reply to Steve last week”
Huh?
57:
Put the crack pipe down and back away from the keyboard.
@57
You accused me in being lock step with the Republican party. I gave you my take of the republican party.