Progressives have often argued that superb law enforcement and intelligence work, performed by often unheralded but dedicated officers from multiple agencies, is one of our best lines of defense against terrorism. Now here’s further evidence.
Four men arrested after planting what they thought were explosives near a synagogue and community center and plotting to shoot down a military plane were bent on carrying out a holy war against America, authorities said Thursday.
The suspects were arrested Wednesday night, shortly after planting a 37-pound mock explosive device in the trunk of a car outside the Riverdale Temple and two mock bombs in the backseat of a car outside the Jewish Center, a few blocks away, authorities said.
—snip—
The defendants, in their efforts to acquire weapons, dealt with an informant acting under law enforcement supervision, authorities said. The FBI and other agencies monitored the men and provided an inactive missile and inert C-4 to the informant for the defendants, a federal complaint said.
If you read the full article, it sounds like three of the accused may qualify for the label “homegrown fanatics.”
Just as in the case of would-be millennium bomber Ahmed Ressam, it was front-line law enforcement workers who thwarted the criminals, not twisted old politicians with Torquemada complexes.
I guess we don’t know yet if anyone was waterboarded in this case, although one would tend to think not, since the case relied upon clever deception. Waterboarding would have kind of been a sign that we’re on to them, you know.
Maybe now the torture fetishists like Dick Cheney will STFU for once.
One news report this morning has already described them as ‘terrortards’.
“Maybe now the torture fetishists like Dick Cheney will STFU for once”.
Supertramp: “Dreamer, nothing but a dreamer”.
Jon–
You are truly a PINHEAD!
You Atheist Progressive-types are always whining about being spied upon, even though no one really is as your lives are quite pathetic.
I suppose pretending the boogie-man is looking over your shoulder makes you feel important.
The terrorist threats are real & serious.
It takes various agencies working together to keep us safe.
Nancy Pelosi has undermined that cooperation.
And Jon…you are a PINHEAD.
@ 2
Nothing. NOTHING, has undermined potential cooperation anywhere near as much as the efforts of Republicans to make political hay out of Nancy Pelosi’s status as a bystander regarding the illegal conduct of the Bush Administration.
If Jon is a pinhead, then Cynical’s head is no larger then the head of one of Horton the elephant’s Whos.
Clinton put 100,000 more cops on the streets, and Bush took them off.
Bank robberies, identity theft, and other domestic crimes soared under Bush because he never replaced the 2,200 FBI agents reassigned to terrorism duties.
Bush was the best friend in high places that America’s street criminals ever had.
@2 Speaking of PINHEADS, blaming Pelosi for torture is like a serial killer blaming his murders on the police because they found the bodies, and only pinheaded goatfuckers like you believe Pelosi is responsible for the Bush administration’s crimes.
And it was solved by law enforcement, not the military.
Just like the progressives and liberals said that dealing with terror will be solved.
Not that you conservatives will notice or care.
@4 Actually there were around 7000 MORE bank robberies under CLINTON than President Bush so as usual you are talking out of your ASS. So this must be Clintons fault somehow. 100000 more police HHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ahha….
“Progressives have often argued that superb law enforcement and intelligence work, performed by often unheralded but dedicated officers from multiple agencies, is one of our best lines of defense against terrorism.”
LMFAO!!!!!!!Right!
God job by all involved- LE-FBI-DHS etc…..wait wait, I mean President Obama saved us…
However, by going so public, any and all undercover investigations could be in greater jeopardy.
“5. Roger Rabbit spews:
@2 Speaking of PINHEADS, blaming Pelosi for torture is like a serial killer blaming his murders on the police because they found the bodies, and only pinheaded goatfuckers like you believe Pelosi is responsible for the Bush administration’s crimes.”
I know the talking points from DNC, KOS et al. are to redirect the argument to Pelosi didn’t order torture, but it doesn’t fly….
Speaker Pelosi LIED about her knowledge of what programs were undertaken. She lied and got caught. All the rest is spin.
For all the “torture” (gasp) HA faithful, I would like to hear from GBS or My left foot about the torture they endured TRAINING to be in the military. In fact, Navy SEAL candidates have to make it thru “hell week”. Google it and see how that TRAINING is far worse that what these detainees faced. I’d love to have GBS come out and talk about drown proofing, SERE, indoc, BUD/S, or STT….As of today, we still “torture” the men and women of our armed forces in training. (If one subscribes to the HA faithful mindset)
Back to the comments at hand. Pelosi didn’t order torture, but she was fully aware of what the program and procedures were, and lied about it. That’s what the controversy is all about.
RS @ 9
Speaker Pelosi LIED about her knowledge of what programs were undertaken. She lied and got caught. All the rest is spin.
Really? The basis for the claim that Pelosi lied consists of documents that have been shown to have been inaccurate on a number of other factual counts. Talk about spin…
For all the “torture” (gasp) HA faithful, I would like to hear from GBS or My left foot about the torture they endured TRAINING to be in the military.
Looks like we can add RS to the ranks of complete idiots who would argue that torture is not torture when we use the methods of torture to train some members of our military in how to resist those methods of torture. Seriously, this is the most idiotic argument I think I’ve seen in quite a long time.
@9 It’s not torture, it’s a caterpillar. SEALs eat those for lunch.
For the rest of you nancy-boys, stop calling it torture. It’s not.
(1) attention grasp
(2) walling
(3) facial hold
(4) facial slap (insult slap)
(5) cramped confinement
(6) wall standing
(7) stress positions
(8) sleep deprivation
(9) insects placed in a confinement box
(10) the waterboard
And worst of all:
(11) the Gitmo gut – 20 lbs of weight gain while in detention, wreaks absolute havoc on those slim fitting suicide vests. They just don’t fit anymore…
Pelosi needs to either:
a) press charges against the CIA briefers for lying to Congress, a felony.
or
b) admit she lied about the whole thing.
@10
You only speak of SERE training. Look up hell week for Navy SEALS. Here’s the brief- 5 days constant training with maximum 4 hours sleep. All the while cold, wet, and covered in sand.
All going on right now. That is just SEAL training, that doesn’t cover Marines, Army, or Air Force. TRAINING Don.
I’ll add you to the list of complete idiots who think a hand slap, and sleep deprivation are torture.
@ 11 and @ 14,
Jesse Ventura, former SEAL:
Jesse Ventura: I would prosecute every person who was involved in that torture. I would prosecute the people that did it, I would prosecute the people that ordered it, because torture is against the law.”
Larry King: You were a Navy S.E.A.L.
Jesse Ventura: Yes, and I was waterboarded [in training] so I know… It is torture…I’ll put it to you this way: You give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
@15 he is also a 9/11 truther….
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/.....29_part_1/
especially around the 4:50 mark. Please roll out someone other than Jesse “the body” Ventura.
How about Malcolm Nance, former SEAL instructor?
@ 14
You only speak of SERE training.
Well, the issue is whether or not waterboarding is torture. Is there any reason to consider anything else?
I’ll add you to the list of complete idiots who think a hand slap, and sleep deprivation are torture.
Interesting. First, you claim that I’m only talking about SERE training, and then you want to classify me as an idiot for talking about something other than SERE training. Methinks you’ve managed to screw up the concept of an “idiot” somewhere between your first and last paragraphs.
15:
So what if Jesse Ventura is a 9/11 Truther? It may cause most Americans to subtract a few IQ points from him, but we’re not talking about 9/11.
Nice try at changing the subject. And as long as we’re on waterboarding, when’s that coward Hannity gonna swallow his ego and let himself be waterboarded like he said he would?
@19
Jesse Ventura is a D-list celebrity. Celebrities say things that Hollywood likes, to get from the D-list to the C-list.
@ 20
Jesse Ventura is a D-list celebrity.
And that’s relevant to his expertise on waterboarding…how?
Can you guys ever engage in a discussion without resorting to cheap ad-homin arguments?
Hey delbert, since none of these EIT are torture, will you volunteer to undergo any of these techniques?
Will any of you trolls volunteer to undergo any of these techniques?
New name for the GOP: the POC, or Party of Cowards.
@18
Don Joe.
I’ll say it plainly.
The United States did not torture anyone.
(1) attention grasp
(2) walling
(3) facial hold
(4) facial slap (insult slap)
(5) cramped confinement
(6) wall standing
(7) stress positions
(8) sleep deprivation
(9) insects placed in a confinement box
(10) the waterboard
There is nothing on this list of techniques used on detainees that amounts to torture.
Now specifically about “waterboarding”. If this is “torture” then we as a country engage in the act daily on our own troops.
Do we torture our own troops every day Don?
Right Stuff correctly said:
While Don Joe farts:
To the moronically stupid Don Joe, we all know “the messiah” and Rahmbo approved CIA Director Leon Panetta outing Stretch Face Pelosi. Otherwise Panetta would have let it drop. And, how could the “the messiah” have the most ethical administration ever, except for a handful of tax cheats etc., unless he agrees with the CIA?
Ekim, the insects used were non-lethal types like caterpillars. Go back and read the memos. But being one of the goat-fucking Steve Stupid Solution drinking HA swineflu weasels on this board, intelligence is lacking in this one Obi-Wan.
Right Stuff, Puddy guesses ekim never studied for his college finals because he never went there; otherwise he would know about sleep deprivation.
hey broadway joe, headless lucy is a 9/11 truther. That’s good company to include Jesse the Body in. Wait a minute… Jesse is a seal.
GBS, are you a 9/11 truther too?
I see that Puddy been drinking whatever it is that leaves him posting his usual stupe drivil.
@ 26
Wow. Talk about moronically stupid. Care to explain how Leon Panetta’s posturing somehow makes those factual errors go away?
‘Course not. That’d require Puddy to actually construct a coherent argument, and we’ve all seen what happens when Puddy tries to venture into the realm of cogent reasoning: Puddy’s head explodes.
So anyways, Puddy, I see that your dear friend, Mr. Klynical, the guy who will soon have his ass handed to him by GBS, has quit posting the results of the Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll. Would that be because the Presidential Approval Index is at +7, a 600% increase since May 2nd? Yeah, I thought so. How it must suck to be you. Tell us about it.
Keep drinking that infantile stupid solution of yours.
Other Views of This Elephant
1. These are home grown, Muslim terrorists .. very much in the mold that has become a major issue across Europe.
The story here may well be the “son of” the attempted massacre here in Seattle where politically correct libruls jumped to the defense of the Muslim community.
A lot has already been written about Islamic extremism in American prisons … one more reason to NOT be PC if the Islamic community fails to take the action needed to declare this sort of thing not kosher hallal!
2. What if the Stinger was NOT a sting? There are a lot of stingers running around the owrld today, left overs from the days when WE supported the Taliban. Hiding a Stinger in a suitcase or cargo container is a lot easier than hiding a load of marijuana.
3.These guys wanted to kill Jews because of American actions in Afghanaistan and Pakistan. Does that say something about who they are? Interesting that they did not target some rabid, religious, right radicals! Do nuts of one kind avoid nots of other kinds?
@22
Sure. I’ll trade with you, one for one. We each draw a number out of a hat, we both undergo that from the other. Draw a new number, until one of us coughs up his secret.
I’ll even let you choose first, kickoff or receiving.
@ 34
Draw a new number, until one of us coughs up his secret.
And how do you propose we decide that someone has coughed up a secret and hasn’t simply lied in order to make the whole exercise stop?
Why change the subject, Pudz? Are you having a problem with the facts? We’re talking about the systematic, illegal torture of prisoners…. oh sorry, ‘enemy combatants’, that was APPROVED BY THE PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT, IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAWS AND TREATIES. Not 9/11. Whether an ex-SEAL and former Governor of the State of Minnesota is or isn’t a 9/11 Truther is irrelevant when we’re talking about ILLEGAL TORTURE. You’re so desperate now, you’d probably say Ventura wasn’t qualified to talk about torture if you discovered that he was lactose-intolerant.
Your traitors have been exposed. No wonder you want to change the subject.
@35
You aren’t very bright are you?
I write a secret word or phrase on a slip of paper. He does the same. Hand them to a neutral judge.
So let’s see – on Bush’s watch 3000 dead.
On PRESIDENT OBAMA four arrested avoiding 3000 dead. Tell me again who’s making us safer?
Case closed!
Bush conceived, planned, authorized and executed illegal torture for political gain. Nothing any right wing coward says will change those facts. Doesn’t matter who did or didn’t know about it. Bush did it. He’s a war criminal and belongs in jail.
@ 37
You aren’t very bright are you?
Possibly, but there’s considerable doubt as to your ability to reach a well-founded conclusion on the question.
I write a secret word or phrase on a slip of paper. He does the same. Hand them to a neutral judge.
A) You presume we can find a neutral judge. Mind letting me be the judge?
B) You’ve contrived a test where the secret is of no value to either the interrogator or the interrogated. That being the case, why bother with anything involving secrets?
The question is whether or not these activities constitute torture, so why not measure things in term under which torture has traditionally been used? Let’s see how long it takes before each of you confesses to something we all know is false.
@36
Which international laws and treaties?
Not the Geneva Conventions, because to be a lawful combatant you must:
“To qualify for prisoner of war status upon capture a person engaged in combat must have the following characteristics to be protected by the laws of war:
Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict
or members of militias not under the command of the armed forces that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
that of carrying arms openly;
that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
or are members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
or inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.”
Otherwise, they are unlawful combatants and could be executed when caught or captured.
Just let me buttfuck the baddies…they’ll for sure talk.
“35. Don Joe spews:
@ 34
Draw a new number, until one of us coughs up his secret.
And how do you propose we decide that someone has coughed up a secret and hasn’t simply lied in order to make the whole exercise stop?”
You verify the intel with intel from other sources….multiple sources of intel….
C’mon DJ I know you are smarter than that.
“systematic, illegal torture of prisoners…. oh sorry, ‘enemy combatants’”
Yes enemy combatants.
The issue here is that the DNC and Democrat leadership, with the willing liberal media, have framed the recently released memos as “torture” memos.
Back it all up!
There was no “torture”.
The bleating of liberals about torture, and the willingness of the liberal media to maintain zero objectivity flames the issue.
Steve,
“I see that your dear friend, Mr. Klynical, the guy who will soon have his ass handed to him by GBS”
What I’d miss? Is there going to be some kind of meet/beat down?
I had asked:
And how do you propose we decide that someone has coughed up a secret and hasn’t simply lied in order to make the whole exercise stop?
To which RS replied (@ 44):
You verify the intel with intel from other sources….multiple sources of intel….
The question was rhetorical; intended to provoke thought more than to elicit a specific response.
C’mon DJ I know you are smarter than that.
Ditto. Indeed, since this discussion has slipped toward one about the efficacy of torture, perhaps you can cite an actual, specific and non-fictional instance where torture has produced real, actionable intelligence in a timely fashion? Lord knows that the vast majority of wingnut trolls here have completely pissed themselves trying to come up with one.
We are being objective about it.
You tortured. You broke the law. You lied about. You tried to cover it up. You violated the constitution.
We object to your thoughts, methods, practices, and now your very existence. Now fuck off and die.
@45 “Is there going to be some kind of meet/beat down?”
Oh, I doubt it. But GBS, a vet, was very pissed off at Mr. Klyncal for dissing our troops. He’s also had a few issues with Marvin lately.
Then again, for all I know there could only be three people posting here – you, me and some guy, some Hydra creature, with 120 sockpuppets who, beyond arguing and diverting every thread, occasionally threatens to fight himself. Wouldn’t that be something? Puddy, Headless, ByeByeGOP, Marvin, GBS, Mr. Klynical – all sockpuppets of a master troll puppeteer.
DJ
“cite an actual, specific and non-fictional instance where torture has produced real, actionable intelligence in a timely fashion?”
Well now, we all could if the Obama admin would de-clasify the results of the interogations. Yet he does not. He’s more than willing to show one side of the story, to whip up the flames of the Uber liberals (HA faithful) yet not willing to release the results of the interogations.. very telling… If there we no “good” actionable results, why not show us? Would only solidify his position…But he does not…That tends to boost the credibility of VP Cheney’s assertions that the results saved lives….
And DJ you are correct. I scanned the comments and mistakenly responded to your comments to delbert.
My comments were in the context of how one verifies intel derived from interogation.
My bad.
48
That would be something, but BBGOP and Headless are the worst offenders.
“We object to your thoughts, methods, practices, and now your very existence. Now fuck off and die.”
I’m touched, such a tough guy….F.Off and die?
Ooooh. You’re tough.
Don Joe, Leon Panetta is only posturing in your puny little mind. Panetta wouldn’t say nuthin unless Rahmbo and “the messiah” approved it. This is intracine All your blathering over it proves nuthin moron. He said it and Nancy is STUUUUUUUUUUUUUPID just like you!
Keep hope alive. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha
Enjoy… :)
delbert, you asked if Don Joe is bright.
Calling Panetta’s response posturing proves his dullness!
Steve,
Creator, owner, and user of Steve’s Stupid Solution claims Puddy posts are those others. Goldy knows better. We all know yous a goat luvin fool!
@54 It was rhetorical…
I’m tougher than a punk-ass chickenhawk traitor like you.
RS @ 49
Well now, we all could [cite instances where torture has actually worked] if the Obama admin would de-clasify the results of the interogations.
Who said I was limiting this to the Bush Administration’s use of torture? You have the entire history of the world to draw on. Now, quit making excuses, and get cracking.
Puddy @ 53 spews:
Don Joe, Leon Panetta is only posturing in your puny little mind.
This is truly funny. Puddy objects to my use of the word “posturing” by, well, posturing. Moreover Puddy’s posture resembles that of an ostrich.
This is because Puddy has no cogent response to the many instances in which the CIA documentation about briefings on torture have been proved to have been factually incorrect. In Puddy’s addled brain (remember, Puddy’s is an addled brain that thinks Alan Greenspan is a liberal), these flawed documents are to be believed without question.
Leon Panetta wasn’t present at any of these briefings, so Panetta has no more first-hand knowledge of these briefings than is conveyed by the memos that have been proved to have been false on a number of factual issues. If Panetta’s remarks don’t constitute posturing, it’s hard to imagine what possibly could constitute posturing.
‘Course, Puddy’s tries to make hay out of the fact that Leon Panetta is a Democrat. Frankly, I don’t give a shit who makes the remarks. If it’s posturing, then it’s posturing. See, I’m an equal opportunity scorner.
“Who said I was limiting this to the Bush Administration’s use of torture? You have the entire history of the world to draw on. Now, quit making excuses, and get cracking.”
Nice try Don.
Maybe there are no examples where torture produced anything, but that’s not what I’m talking about. We didn’t torture. We interogated enemy combatants, and there are many many examples every day in law enforcement where interogations develop good intel.
@34
As to your offer to trade torture. No thanks. I do not need to be convinced it is torture.
How about this counter offer? I get you for 12 hours. I can use any of the EIT list on you and any of the techniques from these Abu Ghraib prison photos. Choose your safe word. Maybe I’ll honor it.
Got game?
…the CIA documentation about briefings on torture have been proved to have been factually incorrect.
My favorite is the claim they briefed members of Congress Pat Roberts, Jay Rockfeller, Porter Goss, and Jane Harman on March 8, 2005. Porter Goss was not in Congress on that date; he was the head of the CIA at the time of the briefing. D’oh!
ButtPuddy@27
I make you the same offer I made delbert. No need for you to be scared. After all, I promise not to use any technique you deem to be torture.
Got game?
@ 60
Maybe there are no examples where torture produced anything, but that’s not what I’m talking about. We didn’t torture.
We waterboarded, didn’t we? We executed Japanese soldiers because they waterboarded American prisoners of war, didn’t we?
Guess we tortued, then, didn’t we?
@ 62
My favorite is the claim they briefed members of Congress Pat Roberts, Jay Rockfeller, Porter Goss, and Jane Harman on March 8, 2005.
I’m more impressed with the claim that they briefed Sen. Bob Graham four times on the subject. When pressed on the dates, it turned out, and the CIA agreed, that there were no briefings on three of the four dates they cited. God bless Bob Graham’s little spiral notebooks.
@64
No we convicted them for their method of “water cure” and sentenced them to jail.
No we did not torture.
@ 66
No we convicted them for their method of “water cure” and sentenced them to jail.
Ever hear of Ramon Navarro?
No we did not torture.
Yes, we tortured.
Don Joe, Puddy loves the deflection techniques used in your commentary.
Why do you misconstrue what others say?
Why do you lie lie lie?
Where did Puddy say Panetta was there? Panetta going public puts his neck in a noose. Nothing happens without Rahmbo or the messiah approval. The meeting was 2002. Puddy not talking about other meetings.
The WA Post in Dec 2007 ran the story. All Puddy can find is Bob Graham saying something. But Bob Graham is in the senate. Pelosi in the house. So your delusions of grandeur continue as always.
Puddy bets you read Daily Kurse to get your material. The same peeps who said Trig was Bristol’s baby. Fool!
Puddy @ 86 managed to transition from ostrich posturing to full-blown projection. I bring up the issue of actual documentary evidence, you know, the stuff that backs up claims of fact, and Puddy keeps singing, “Leon Panetta!” Talk about deflection.
Then Puddy goes into a song and dance about not talking about anything but the 2002 meetings. Why doesn’t Puddy want to talk about those meetings where the documentary evidence was clearly wrong? Puddy gives us no reason.
Lastly, Puddy exclaims:
But Bob Graham is in the senate.
First of all, Bob Graham was in the Senate. He’s no longer a Senator. Though, no one is surprised at Puddy’s inability to keep the pertinent facts straight.
Secondly, Bob Graham was Nancy Pelosi’s Senate counterpart. Does Puddy purport to claim that when the CIA briefed Congress (which includes both the Senate and the House of Representatives), that the CIA only briefed one body at a time?
No, the Puddy Parade of Partial Punditry marches inexorably forward. We need no more proof than Puddy’s own words:
Puddy not talking about other meetings.
Yup. ‘Cause, you know, having to explain all the relevant facts is just too damn hard for Puddy’s addled brain.
Slight correction to my comment above. I did check, and it turns out that Graham and Pelosi were briefed on separate occasions in 2002. My error.
However, the CIA claims that both briefings were virtually identical, and Bob Graham backs up Pelosi’s claims on the substance of the briefing.
A good summary of the details can be found here, and this query provides additional sources.
By the way, you can find Bob Graham’s own account here. One wonders why Puddy would have such a difficult time finding something that was published in the Washington Post.
Another good source for the errors in the CIA’s briefing list.
Don Joe:
However my ASS idiot.
Yes, you were factually wrong like many other times fool. What? Your Partial Punditry got you panties all a twisted? Dense as spent uranium.
Puddy has always written the House meeting was separate from the Senate meeting fool. You love to place your “intelligence” on this blog for another look at me moment. EPIC FAIL!
Puddy trusts no leftwing blather sites. Throwing up their crap doesn’t persuade Puddy at all. The Smerconish article only writes about Bob Graham. That’s fine. The WA Post Dec 2007 article was previously posted by Puddy on HA swineflu weasels last week. Check it out. Puddy knows Don Joe ignored it because it blows him and his argument apart.
What a moron!
Inside the Interrogation of Detainee 063
TIME
Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005
The interrogation log of Detainee 063 provides the first internal look at the highly classified realm of Gitmo interrogations since the detention camp opened four years ago. Chief Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita tells TIME that the log was compiled by various uniformed interrogators and observers on the Pentagon’s Joint Task Force at Gitmo as the interrogation proceeded. It is stamped SECRET ORCON, a military acronym for a document that is supposed to remain with the organization that created it. A Pentagon official who has seen the log describes it as the “kind of document that was never meant to leave Gitmo.”
@ 73 Puddy spews:
However my ASS idiot.
It was eminently predictable for Puddy to pick up on the fact that I both spotted and corrected my own mistake. It’s worth noting that Puddy has never admitted to or corrected any of his own mistakes.
It is, however, also eminently predictable that Puddy would completely ignore the other facts I have pointed out.
Are we at all surprised that Puddy doesn’t even understand what the concept of “Partial Punditry” really means? Nope. As I’ve said over and over again, and which Puddy has proved over and over again, Puddy refuses to even try to explain all the facts.
In my comment @ 71, I linked to Bob Graham’s own account. Graham explains:
You’ll never see Puddy make even a modest attempt at explaining the facts adduced in Grahams’ parenthetic remarks. “Puddy not talking about other meetings,” exclaims our resident Purveyor of Partial Punditry. In other words, Puddy only wants to talk about meetings that don’t fully satisfy the legal requirements covering congressional briefings by the CIA regarding covert activities.
“Epic fail!” exclaims the Pusillanimous Puddy. Epic fail, indeed.
I wonder why ButtPutty won’t take me up on my offer? Is it he is afraid of Bush/Cheney authorized interrogation techniques? Maybe he does think it is torture.
Poor Puddy – before you jump on someone for factual errors – that they correct and that doesn’t affect the validity of their case – you might remember your own multitude of errors on global warming:
1. Citing a scientist as an opponent of global warming – when they were not.
2. Citing someone as an “expert” when they were not
3. Claiming a link verified what you said – it did not and you failed to even read or understand your own link.
Now that we have verified multiple errors on multiple occasions by Puddy – once again Puddy fails to grasp the obvious.
Waterboarding is torture. Period.
Bush/Cheney waterboaded.
Bush/Cheney lied about it.
Bush/Cheney broke the law.
Morally, torture is repugnant. Morally, the people who defend torture are either oblivious to ethical standards or think that moral relativity is OK. They could justify murder, rape or torture for the “greater” good.
The torture excusers debase our country and the principles in our constitution. Delbert still has not volunteered to be waterboarded if she thinks it is so benign.
Penis…that is all.
78. ByeByeGOP spews:
Goober lays awake nights thinking up stuff like this. What a sicko. A real card-carryin’ LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWN!
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Mmmm…manbutt.