Oops…
A lawyer for the Republican National Committee told congressional staff members yesterday that the RNC is missing at least four years’ worth of e-mail from White House senior adviser Karl Rove that is being sought as part of investigations into the Bush administration, according to the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
[…] In a letter to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, Waxman said the RNC lawyer, Rob Kelner, also raised the possibility that Rove had personally deleted the missing e-mails, all dating back to before 2005.
But… well… I guess all this is okay, because, you know… Bill Clinton lied about a blowjob.
Goldy — why don’t you publish Karl Rove’s e-mail address at the Republican National Committee? Is it the following:
kr@georgewbush.com
Interestingly enough, georgewbush.com redirects to gop.com, which is the address for the Republican National Committee.
Then lots of folks can send Karl Rove spam and hate e-mails, and fill his mailbox to overflowing. Keep a record of all the spam you send to Karl Rove, make PDF copies of the e-mails, and e-mail and fax this to all the Democrats of the House and Senate Judiciary Committees.
Then, when they do their subpoenas, they can see whether or not Karl Rove simply deleted this spam. If so, then they can charge him with obstruction of justice.
BUT SERIOUSLY — do you think the law is supposed to work this way? Why shouldn’t someone be allowed to delete spam?
See paragraph 4:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI.....index.html
Pope-a-Dope shows us why he can’t get elected dog catcher. If it’s possible for a human to be spam, then Dickie qualifies, but I digress. It’s not the spam that your asshole buddy Karl deleted you sack of dogshit. It’s the illegal, backroom, unConstitutional bullshit that the Bush regime ran through his office we are GOING to find out about. Remember we WILL find it. We always do and you Publican fucks always get caught in the end. One of you will rat out the other like the spineless cowards you are. We’ll get your pal Karl and the rest of the traitors and the few Americans who didn’t yet realize what kind of con men we were dealing with at GOP HQ, will now know – or should know.
Drool @ 2
Could be, but the Hatch Act prohibits various partisan political activity from being conducted on the government dime or the government time. Which is why people like Karl Rove use outside e-mail accounts when they are engaged in partisan political activities, instead of official government business. So there is a conflict between these two laws. People like Rove have at least tried to comply with both sets of laws. I don’t see how Rove is personally responsible for keeping copies of all the “Enlarge Your Penis” and “Help Transfer $$$ from Nigeria” spam e-mails that he receives.
In any event, I am not paying to see Karl Rove tomorrow night (or seeing him for free for that matter). I will let Professor Schwartz (SeattleJew) have the honors of doing this, and look forward to reading his accounts of the blessed event.
What law or policy prohibits the deletion of e-mail?
This came in an hour ago:
Yeah right… and Jack: it is called the Presidential Records Act (updated in 1993 to include electronic communications).
By the way want proof Imus is a rightie? Faux News Channel is saying he shouldn’t have been fired and a right wing radio station in California is re-reunning his show from the day he verbally assaulted the female basketball players.
All you have to do to know where someone stands politically is find out how Sean Hannity treats them. If he’s rude, specious, lies, verbally assaultive and a jackass – it’s a Dem he’s talking to. If he’s remotely happy and nice, it’s a fellow traitor on the right.
You have to hand it to WHATADICK Pope. He’ll just keep uttering the talking points as if that will work. How’s that been working for you in your last 14 runs for office Dickie?
Karl Rove doesn’t have to keep spam – he does have to keep emails where he encourages his fellow Publicans to violate the law and the Constitution.
AND WE WILL GET HIM!
Dickie,Dickie,Dickie. . .I thought you were old enough to remember a man named Butterfield. . . . .
Gimme a fucking break! You rightie hypocrites were screaming at the top of your lungs about Al Gore making a few phone calls. Now we discover that the Bushistas set up their own entire back-channel intranet in the White House…and use it to plot still other ways to circumvent the law…and of course, to you jerks that’s perfectly hunky dory.
Speaking of blow jobs, I wonder how much mileage Jeff Guckert logged in the Lincoln Bedroom.
Damn liars.
Damn crooks.
Damn murderers.
Damn traitors.
Mr. Pope:
Actually, what the law says is that public business done by senior government officials is to be conducted exclusively over the official e-mail system so that copies are kept automatically. Mr. Rove is in violation for using private e-mail accounts for the public business. Still, so long as copies are kept, this would be a minor matter.
Of course, it happens that people with several e-mail accounts may occasionally use the wrong one accidentally. It has already been shown that this has happened several times. As this was always a danger, the RNC actually put procedures in place that would ensure that all of those e-mails were also archived. Apparently Mr. Rove cannot be blamed for the loss of these e-mails, as he cannot delete them himself.
Then, oddly enough, just when those e-mails were about to be subpoenaed, some unknown minor functionary accidentally deletes them. Oops, sorry, they’re all gone now with no trace and no backup copies anywhere, and it couldn’t be Mr. Rove, because he doesn’t have the ability to delete e-mails.
Apparently, unlike anyone else with a server, the RNC does not routinely make backup copies of data.
Please, Mr. Pope. Sometimes things are just indefensible. Too many accidents, combined with too many incompetents acting at prcisely the right time and combined with business practices unlike any other large organization.
Both the RNC and the White House are sounding like Bart Simpson, saying “Nobody saw me do it! You can’t prove I did it!” None of this passes the “sniff” test.
Next you’ll be believing that the White House secretary accidentally held her foot down on the “record” pedal for eighteen minutes while doing her nails.
If oooonly you librals and the libral meedya would just shut up about George W. Bush as he is a fine Christian man and he is only tryin’ to pertect us by bombin’ and shootin’ and killin’ and eavesdroppin’ and wiretappin’ and spyin’ and invadin’ and borrowin’ and spendin’ and Cheney is a Christian man and Rummy is a Christian man and Wolfie is a Christian man and Condosleeza is a Christian ma–woman and Ann Coulter is a Christian ma–oops and and just shut up and let them do there jobs and Rove is helpin’ ever’body be a fine Christian by deletin’ the Satanic e-mails and it’s Bill Clinton’s fault.
Ummmm, Richard, let’s look again at the first paragraph quoted by Goldy, with emphasis on one little word:
Under the PRA, Rove certainly isn’t allowed to delete the email messages he sends.
Not even the penis enlargement, Nigerian scam, and penny stock spams he distributes.
Like I said Pope and the other cowards hope to sidetrack and deflect this situation and it simply won’t work. Do these morons think we’re just gonna forget about this?
Let me tell you when this ends. It ends when Karl Rove dawns an orange jump suit and goes to prison to suck dick.
What pisses me of about government, when it comes to email, is that it wants to have access to your email, but raises holy Hell when you want to see its email.
The laws are not in conflict. The Hatch Act basically prohibits use of taxpayer money for political purposes. So, some one else neds to pay for the server infrastructure to support political purposes.
It appears the RNC voluntarily accepted this expense. They then became subject to the Presidental Records Retention laws. If they intentionally or even inadvertently failed their responsiblity under the retention laws, they should be subject to approrpriate penalty and/or sanctions.
The only thing that will happen to Rove is a BIG book deal and speaking engagement fees.
He might even go to work for Haliburton!! (uhhh)
Who cares!
Let’s open up all e-mail accounts for the RNC and DNC to public scrutiny and let the chips fall where they may.
“In our day there is a temptation to manipulate life in ways that do not respect the humanity of the person,” Bush said Friday. “When that happens, the most vulnerable among us can be valued for their utility to others instead of their own inherent worth.”
HMMM. “THE MOST VULNERABLE AMONG US”. SO FINALLY THE CHIMP IS TALKING ABOUT THE TROOPS!!
BUT HE’S NOT.. OH NEVERMIND.
We have to be careful here not to let Rove go to trial until we win the White House in 08 – that way that piece of shit Bush won’t be able to pardon him.
“…………until we win the White House in ’08…..”
Don’t hold your breath.
The people in “fly over” country are on to your games and the DNC is gonna have it rough next time around.
Add in the military, ex-military, family and close friends of the military…..let’s just say it would be wise to start updating some resumes’and writing those cover letters.
Flame away….that’s also part of why you guyz are gonna be on the skids.
Thinking people prefer to debate in a manner different from the schoolyard name calling that typically goes on in blogs like this.
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsou....._ties.html
Looks like right wing turd and bible thumper Hutcherson lied as usual about his “ties” to the White House.
I see Rosemary Woods has been recycled back to Earth in Karl Rove’s body.
Karl can now get dates with Rosemary and fuck himself like an earthworm to make his own babies.
@1 Hey Richard, I thought it was this: kr@georgewbush.inc
Dave Gibney @ 17
Actually not. The 5th amendment prohibits taking private property for public use without just compensation. In this case, Karl Rove used an e-mail system that belonged to a private organization (Republican National Committee) and would have at least claimed to use a computer that didn’t belong to the federal government to send and receive these e-mails. The Presidential Records Act might mandate that these e-mails be preserved (it is a matter of interpretation), but does not impose any duties on private individuals or organizations to do anything. Even if it did impose such duties, the Presidential Records Act contains no provisions to compensate private organizations or individuals for performing these duties. So there would be no enforceable violation of the law if the RNC failed to preserve these e-mails or even decided to actively delete them.
Moreover, federal law would prohibit the Bush administration from compensating the Republican National Committee in any event for preserving these political e-mails. The Hatch Act prevents federal money from being spent for partisan political purposes — which would include a prohibition on compensating the RNC from keeping and maintaining an e-mail server and preserving the e-mails.
Yes, it may look bad now, but I think that Bush administration officials did their best to accommodate the seemingly conflicting demands of the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act. I would say the Hatch Act should come first — it is much more important that the White House doesn’t use government resources for partisan political purposes. So if there is any doubt as to whether government e-mail or private e-mail should be used for a given communication, then private e-mail should be used.
Roger Rabbit @ 25
My e-mail to Karl Rove didn’t bounce:
Subject: Bush Should Have Listened to Me about McKay (re US Attorney) in January 2001
Date: 3/21/2007 2:08:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
From: RPope98155
Reply To:
To: kr@georgewbush.com
@1 “Why shouldn’t someone be allowed to delete spam?”
Like I’ve always said, Richard has a fine legal mind and would have made an excellent lawyer, if he didn’t have personal issues. Case in point:
Since everything Rove and Bush utter can fairly be characterized as “spam,” it’s perfectly legal to delete it, therefore no obstruction of justice.
Yep, you would have made a fine defense attorney, Richard. All you needed was a wider table in the deposition room and chair restraints.
“Thinking people prefer to debate in a manner different from the schoolyard name calling that typically goes on in blogs like this.” Jack Burton @ 21
Actually, debate is not possible with people who insist on believing that WMDs were actually found in Iraq, that global warming is a myth, and that federal prosecutors should be turned into partisan pawns of the White House. “Thinking people” simply do not exist on your side of the fence. Hence, the only reasonable means of addressing such folks is by hurling insults their way.
I didn’t get a reply to my e-mail either. But damnit, Bush should have listened to me six years ago. Either way, it will be interesting to see if the e-mails I sent on March 21, 2007 are produced by the White House in response to the congressional subpeonas. I sent them to a lot of people, whose e-mail addresses were shown on the public documents, and only two or three of them bounced. Maybe my original letter from January 22, 2001 will show up in the record also? If not, they should prosecute those folks for destroying important and valuable public records!
@3 Every administration in history has learned that Washington D.C. leaks like cheese cloth. What prompted this bunch to think they could protect their dirty secrets is a mystery.
Proud Leftist: “………Thinking people” simply do not exist on your side of the fence. Hence, the only reasonable means of addressing such folks is by hurling insults their way.”
Do you really believe this? Really?
@6 The same law that says you can’t shred subpoenaed documents. It’s called “obstruction of justice,” is a felony, and you go to a federal country club for it, where you get to mingle with influential business executives. That’s why so many pols obstruct justice; the social opportunities are irresistable.
Hard to believe that just last week these same HA trolls were whining about Sandy Berger shredding copies of copies of official documents.
@17 What I don’t understand is why the law doesn’t simply eliminate the middleman and send Rove to jail for going outside official channels to conduct government business so nobody can find out what business he conducted.
@21 “The people in ‘fly over’ country”
To make sure I understand your terminology, “fly over country” means the red places on maps where all facts and logic fly over the denizens’ heads, right?
Last sentence of @21: What we have here, folks, is a haughty wingnut with pretentions of intellectualism … this is gonna be fun!
I hope Burton sticks around for a while. We need fresh entertainment on this blog. The regulars (e.g., Dufus, Puddinghead, Janet Stupid, and even Pope-A-Dope) are growing tedious. Here’s your new screen personality, Jack. http://tinyurl.com/p3udn
@26 Nice try at rationalizing a conspiracy to commit federal felonies, Richard. Hillary was right: There is a vast rightwing conspiracy. What she omitted was its criminality.
@27 A lot of people should listen to you, Richard. You’re a better lawyer than anyone they’ve got. After all, they’re not getting away with it, are they? Too bad you’ve got personal issues — you could have been successful as a presidential adviser.
@30 It’s the pits being ignored, Richard. It’s the lowest form of insult there is! You should be very upset with them for ignoring you. Really, you should!
@32 Yes.
Don’t go away, Jack! We need a new dartboard here. The only ones are getting tired.
Jack Burton @ 32
There is a faction on your side of the fence that actually does believe WMDs were in fact found in Iraq, that global warming is a myth (I’m not talking causation), and federal prosecutors should be used as partisan pawns. Those people are incapable of thought. Otherwise, I would say that there are a few “thinking people” on your side of the fence, though they are becoming fewer and farther between. In fact, none are coming to mind at the moment; maybe Chuck Hagel.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18093769/
Here’s a waste of taxpayer money – but I guess the right wing Bible-thumpers are okay with this – hypocrites.
IAVA (Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America)
How did your congressional representative vote?
DEMOCRATS
Sen. Patty Murray gets a rating for supporting the troops of A-
Sen. Maria Cantwell gets a rating for supporting the troops of A-
Rep. Brian Baird gets a rating of supporting the troops of B
Rep. Adam Smith gets a rating of supporting the troops of A-
Rep. Norm Dicks gets a rating of supporting the troops A-
Rep. Jay Inslee gets a rating for supporting the troops of A
Rep. Jim McDermott gets a rating for supporting troops of C- SHAMEFUL
Rep. Rich Larsen gets a rating for supporting the troops of A
Washington Democrats GPA for supporting the troops: 3.625
TROOP HATERS i.e. Republicans
Rep. Dave Reichert gets a rating for supporting the troops a FUCKING D- ALMOST A GOD DAMNED “F”!!!!!!!
Rep. Doc Hastings gets a rating for supporting the troops a whopping C
Rep. Cathy McMorris gets a rating for supporting the troops a FUCKING D
Washington’s TROOP HATERS GPA for their unwillingness to support our troops: 1.33
The IAVA Rating is based on this legislator’s voting history on issues that affect US troops, Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, and military families.
Fat, dumb, and unpatriotic is now way to go trough life, you TROOP HATERS!
Copy and paste this address in your address bar to check the interactive site. (gets snagged in Goldy’s filter otherwise) http://www.capwiz.com/iava/dbq/officials/
Now, Puddybud, are you going to waiver from the truth or are you going to say Republican leaders DO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS!
Which is it Puddybud, your moral principles or your political leaders unprincipled hatred of our troops?????????????
“Honesty is above all else. I have never wavered from that
Pud
04/12/2007 at 2:44 pm”
Exposing the real TROOP HATERS is my new mission. I’m sick and tired of Ass Holes posting links pictures of unpatriotic Anarchists and then saying they’re on the side of Liberals. FUCK YOU ALL!
It didn’t take long did it?
At least you weren’t vulgar.
The same people in “flyover country” that you make fun of for being stupid? They aren’t. If you believe that are not won’t change things.
My “faction” Heh heh, good one. From what I gather here I must be one of those knuckle dragging neocons who still believe the world is flat. **Is this where I grunt, scratch my head and go: “Huh?” **
BTW: I asked about and got an answer about what turns out to be the Presidential Records Act. Asking about this does NOT equal “sticking up” for Rove or anyone else who, if are in actual violation of the law, should be duly prosecuted.
I’m sure we all agree with this….It’s who and what constitutes violation of the law then then becomes the topic of the “debate” here. Of course each side is above reproach and it the opposing party that will be the ruin of this country, the planet and all that is fun and tastes good.
re 46: Before you open your yap, try a source like this on for size: http://www.fedstats.gov/
re 46: Here’s another one, Senor Mensa: http://www.census.gov/
re 46: A couple of those geniuses from“flyover country” are in jail as we speak for election fraud in the 2004 election.
Can former felons vote in Ohio?
Before you blather, check a reliable source.
A SPECIAL MEMO TO PUDDYGULLIBLE:
Drudge falsely claimed Soros funds Media Matters
Internet gossip Matt Drudge has claimed that Media Matters for America is a “Soros operation.”
In fact, Media Matters has never received funding from progressive philanthropist George Soros.
STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE.
THEY LIE! THEY LIE! BLEATS PUDDY..
GROAN…
What exactly do these websites prove? **Other than I can’t read your minds?**
What does the conviction of a few people have to do with the intelligence, real or perceived, of the rest of the people.
Democrats and Republicans go to jail all the time. What to Felons voting (or not) in Ohio have to do with deleted e-mails?
Disclaimer: I won’t bust on your Lattes if you don’t bust on NASCAR. I don’t follow the races and I do drink an occasional latte’….3 shots of course.
RE 51: The Dude: Man I got certain information, alright? Certain things have come to light…you know.. .. has it ever occurred to you.. … instead of running around… blaming me.. given the nature of all this new shit.. you know this could be..alot more complex.. I mean its not just.. I mean it might not just be such a simple ah.. .. you know?
The Big Lebowski: What in God’s holy name are you blathering about?
The Dude: I’ll tell you what I’m blathering about… I’ve got information man! New shit has come to light!
WAIT’LL WE GET OUR HANDS ON THE “MISSING” INFORMATION! Websites full of actual facts from which one can reason forward and intuit wit accuracy: You blather on incessantly about the wisdom of the sturdy and recondite citizens in the flyover zone and then obtusely ask me why it is relevant that people are in jail for election fraud in aforementioned zone.
I’m beginning to see why “Go fuck yourself, Jack” is the most common response to your bleatings.
ANOTHER FDA FIASCO – Bush’s Anti-Sex Vaccine Doesn’t Work
“WASHINGTON (April 13) – Students who participated in sexual abstinence programs were just as likely to have sex … as those who did not, according to a long-awaited study mandated by Congress.
“Also, those who attended … abstinence classes … reported having similar numbers of sexual partners as those who did not attend the classes, and they first had sex at about the same age as their control group counterparts – 14 years and nine months ….
“The federal government now spends about $176 million annually on abstinence-until-marriage education. Critics have repeatedly said they don’t believe the programs are working, and the study will give them reinforcement.
However, Bush administration officials … said … the abstinence message should be reinforced ….
“‘ … [T]hese interventions are not like vaccines. You can’t expect one dose in middle school, or a small dose, to be protective all throughout the youth’s high school career,’ said Harry Wilson, the commissioner of the Family and Youth Services Bureau at the Administration for Children and Families.”
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete article and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/27apnh
Roger Rabbit Commentary: There you have it, folks — when Bush’s corrupt FDA approves a vaccine that doesn’t work, they recommend taking MORE of it!!!
Thinking people prefer to debate in a manner different
I CAN’T DISCERN MUCH THINKING IN ANY OF BURTON’S COMMENTS.
IF YOU DON’T LIKE HA.ORG, DON’T COME HERE.
@46 How did I omit that? But it’s easy to fix: Fuck you, Jack!
We’ll soon find out if Burton has a stronger stomach than that chickenshit John MacDonald, who fled back to Sucky Politics after only two weeks on HA. MacDonald is a jellyfish. He can’t handle the rowdy liberals on this board.
Jack Burton is a piece of shit TROOP HATER like Klake the Naiz.
@46 “I’m sure we all agree with this….It’s who and what constitutes violation of the law then then becomes the topic of the “debate” here. Of course each side is above reproach and it the opposing party that will be the ruin of this country, the planet and all that is fun and tastes good.”
See what I mean about haughty knuckledraggers with pretensions of intellectualism? As phony as everything else the wingnut faction spews. Jack’s response to the criminality of the Bush regime is, “Democrats do it, too.”
No, they don’t, Jack. Not like the neocon bunch does, not even remotely close. All Jack’s got is the tired old cliches from Wingnut World. And this guy wants to play pretend Ph.D.? (chortle)
It’s time for a full-scale bunny counterattack.
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@51 “Democrats and Republicans go to jail all the time.”
Yeah, but the ratio is 1:50.
See what I mean? Our new wingnut intellectual’s entire tool kit is, “The Democrats do it, too.” Yawn. So yesterday. That bumper sticker faded years ago.
@57 Don’t forget that JCH is a nazi, too.
Jack Burton is actually Burt Ward. CH CH CH CHu checkitout!!!
JCH is a dirty, piece of shit, lying, bet welshing, did I mention piece of shit, military imposter, TROOP HATER.
That pretty much covers it.
The prick.
Headless wins: First one to spew at me with a potty mouth. Now go to your room and figure out how pointing to a US Census homepage tells me about all the other stuff your going on about.
Roger: So only Republicans/neocons break the law and go to jail? I stand corrected.
Where did I say anyone who broke the law shouldn’t be held accountable?
Pretend Phd? If I said “Fuck” would that be more to your liking? What then, would that make me?
Puddybud,
Besides being an expert in supporting TROOP HATING politicians, you’re supposed an expert in all things internet.
Given all the servers that the emails had to cross and the ability to recover lost/erased files on a hard drive how likely is it that TROOP HATER extrodinaire Karl Rove completely erased all those email by accident?
@ 63:
It makes you a the TROOP HATER that you are. Period.
Is that too difficult to understand?
@ 63: It makes you a the TROOP HATER that you are. Period.
Is that too difficult to understand?
Again, do really believe this, I mean really?
**Actualy I’m part of a super secret underground network that is hell bent of the destruction of all that is decent
and few things that aren’t.**
headless lucy says:
Jack Burton is actually Burt Ward. CH CH CH CHu checkitout!!!
Nope….Sadly, he’s got more hair than I do.
Nice try though.
@ 65:
Honestly? I believe it as much as I believe any thing else in life.
Why?
Because you’re a conservative, you vote for Republicans. Republcians do not vote consistently, like Democrats do, for the men and women who fight, die, become wounded and serve our great nation.
You’re either with the Demcorats who CAST their vote to REALLY support the troops, our your with the TROOP HATERS.
Which is it Jack?
If you say you vote for Democrats I’ll apologize, if you don’t then FUCK YOU!! YOU PUNK!
Roger Rabbit says:
We’ll soon find out if Burton has a stronger stomach than that chickenshit John MacDonald, who fled back to Sucky Politics after only two weeks on HA. MacDonald is a jellyfish. He can’t handle the rowdy liberals on this board.
I will gird my loins and maintain a steel resolve.
I will do my best to withstand the rapier wit of those here who are intent on doing me in. *So to speak.*
I will take antihistamines as I am allergic to rabbits.
I ignore those who may criticise my spelling and this blog don’t have an edit feature (and the Boss may be looking.)
I won’t however post on every single thread here.
Did I get promoted? So soon? Now I’m a “Punk.”
The “Hating Troops” line may resonate well here, but isn’t
what I do.
69:
It is exactly what you do, PUNK! You vote Republican, you are a TROOP HATER.
Jack the TROOP HATER:
Who did you vote for as your Congressional rep? We’ll check out the IAVA web site and see what kind of politician you’re supporting.
Go ahead, grow some honesty balls and lets see!
C’mon Jack “The TROOP HATER” Burton:
Who did you vote for as your Congressional rep.? It cannot be that hard for you to HONESTLY type the name, is it?
conservatives politicians and their supporters are TROOP HATERS!! says: “Jack the TROOP HATER: Who did you vote for as your Congressional rep? We’ll check out the IAVA web site and see what kind of politician you’re supporting.
Go ahead, grow some honesty balls and lets see!”
So THAT’S what I was supposed to get from that website.
Let me get this straight: If I voted for a Republican I hate the troops? I don’t think so. Now if you (and the IVAV, whatever they are) insist then I suppose I now have to PROVE A NEGATIVE? Nice(cheap too)trick…learn that in debating club?
Honesty Balls…..Heh heh It must be Friday. Had a long week?
Jack the TROOP HATER:
FYI: The IAVA (Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of AMERICA) is a non-profit, NON-PARTISAN organization started by veterans of those wars that are soley interested in protecting the interests of our veterans and their families.
What is your problem??
It’s no cheap trick, read how they figure it out, the take all pieces of legislation that was brought before both houses of congress and tallied how each member VOTED!
Either in favor of the TROOPS or agaisnt the TROOPS.
Period. It’s not hard to understadn, Jack THE TROOP HATER.
Republcians claim to support the troops, but when it comes to put up or shut up, well they don’t support the troops.
It’s important to know how your vote fucks the troops over.
If you’re not a TROOP HATER vote for politicians who are trying to take care of our troops.
If not then we know where you stand. You fucking chimp!
Jack THE TROOP HATER:
Yeah, honesty balls! I see you don’t have ’em.
Who did you vote for as your congressional rep??
Can you at least state who you voted for. I voted for Darcy Burner in the 8th WA congressional dist.
And you???
re 73: We learned it watching Faux News.
And when did you stop beating Stephen Hawkings?
Jack THE TROOP HATING SUPPORTER:
Did you vote for Dave “D+” Reichert?
Hmmmmmm . . . is that TROOP HATER you supported???
Jack the TERRORIST LOVER:
Who did you vote for as your congressional rep????
C’mon pussy, let’s see where your congressional rep stands on veterans issues.
Stop being a cunt.
Puffybutt posing as Jack Burton is using the classic Publican deflector. Whenever we catch ANOTHER GOP crook – which is about every 12 seconds these days, the Publicans say – YOUR SIDE DOES IT TOO.
And then they point to some lesser-known politician 20 years ago – hoping we won’t notice that it’s THEIR guys in power now and THEIR guys getting caught. Proves the right doesn’t care about this country. They care about their party.
OK. If I did happen to vote for a Repub then, according to the IVAV, a NON PROFIT organization I hate the Troops?
Honesty aside, me telling you who I vote for only indicate that I, in fact, hate the troops. Sure it does.
BTW: Non-Profit is a tax status not a certification for being non biased, objective and without an agenda.
Chimp? Is that above or below a Punk? I don’t know the pecking order here.
Voted for Darcy. How many times? (Did I say that?) Heh heh.
Headless watches FOX? Why do I doubt this? BTW: It’s not nice to make fun of the handcapped. It’s intolerant and mean spirited.
conservatives politicians and their supporters are TROOP HATERS!! says: Jack the TERRORIST LOVER:
Who did you vote for as your congressional rep????
C’mon pussy, let’s see where your congressional rep stands on veterans issues.
Stop being a cunt.”
How do you figure posting like this will actually motivate me to tell you who I voted for?
Seems to me you’ve already made your judgement so what I post mearly reinforces this.
School yard taunts asside, you could probably be just as effective in getting your point across without using terms that denegrate women. That’s also intolerant.
Well Jack-off THE TERRORIST LOVER:
You’ve said all you need to say. Your silence is deafing you voted for a TROOP HATER.
You don’t know shit about veterans affairs or the IAVA. You only decided to pick up on the “non-profit” part and not where I bolded the NON-PARTISAN part.
I’ll repost for you here, you lying piece of shit, cunt.
FYI: The IAVA (Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of AMERICA) is a non-profit, NON-PARTISAN organization started by veterans of those wars that are soley interested in protecting the interests of our veterans and their families.
Non-profit means they don’t have to bow down to TROOP HATES like Halliburton. Non-partisan means they don’t give a fuck about your political beliefs only how politicians vote.
I’m the one who is calling you fuckers TROOP HATERS because you vote for Mother Fuckers who vote to go to war, vote to sustain a FAILED war policy set forth by a FAILED Commander in Chief, and you punk ass bitches have the nerve to say Liberals don’t support the troops.
FUCK YOU TROOP HATER!
Jack, welcome to the nuthouse! Enough of what you’ve said so far suggests your head is in “reality space”.
Richard, this time you’ve got me. I’m still trying to figure out whether you’ve slipped below your usual level of intelligence or you’re posting with your tongue so thoroughly in cheek that you’ve faked us all out.
Richard @29
You have some good points there. I’ve not studied the record retention law, so I will accept that it doesn’t provide for penalties.
On the other hand, a good sysadmin running an email server, keeps logs and back-ups. It isn’t an additional expense, it’s part of the deal.
Really good ones have a published record retention policy. And most delete such logs and back-ups on a regular scheduled basis. (there is only so much dasd in the world :)
The RNC is falling once again into the cover-up hole. Instead of claiming the records were lost, they should have stated the records were deleted on schedule according to established policy.
Does Mr. Rove have multiple computers and Scrupulously segregate Offical WH activity on one and Political activity on another. That’s what I make a best effort to do.
But, I have to admit, I have used state electrons to charge a laptop, and sometimes it’s the state network that some of the internet packets travel on.
Oh, Ok Jack Burton, I’ll try to be a little more PC and sensitive to your delictate eyes.
I hope my foul language didn’t hurt your sensibilities too, too much. Please accept my aplogizes if my inconsiderate words offended you.
For the purpose of our cordial conversation, might you be so kind as to inform me who you voted for as your congressional representative?
Your prompt reply would be greatly appreicated.
Sincerely,
GBS
@ 81:
Actually, Jack I didn’t think my words would motivate you to tell me who you voted for, I just thougth you’d have enough pride in your vote to let us know who you voted for.
As you can see I had no problem telling you I voted for Darcy Burner.
Why?
Because I know I was voting for someone who will vote to support the troops. As a combat veteran myself, and with personal stakes in Iraq, these issues are quite important to me.
But what sparked my anger is people like Puddybud and others who keep posting links to Anarchists who clearly don’t support the troops and say they are Liberals.
I’m calling bullshit on that and I’ve got the resources to back up my claims.
Now, do you think you could tell us who you voted for? I can check the IAVA web site and they’ll list how your representative voted on critical Veterans issues.
What’s more compelling than your representatives voting record in congress as a mesure of their support of our troops?
What? What is more compelling rhetoric or deed?
6 Jack Burton
Well, there WAS the court order that Patrick Fitzgerald obtained that ordered the RNC to retain e-mail records. Karl Rove may very well be on the hook for obstructing justice now that we know he’s been deleting e-mails after the orders to preserve were issued.
21 Jack Burton
Except that there are a lot more people in the cities and in Blue country at the coasts. Oh, and the mountain West states are trending Blue. If only those big, empty states could vote. But people vote, and people are sick and damn tired of the Republicans.
Yeah, and I’m sure that the “military, ex-military, family and close friends of the military” are really, really grateful to the president and his Republican supporters for extending their tours of duty for their endless war plan…uh-huh, I’ll bet they’re all just thrilled.
Thank you Daddy Love. You know, Jack comes around here periodically, strikes a pose or two, then calls for “honest intellectual debate”, deplores our manners and diction. . . but what he finally falls back on are some very tired out
BS neoconvict talking points.
If you know anyone in the military currently, as I do, you damnsure know that at third, fourth, and fifth deployment, it gets more than little thin carrying on with an Oooo-Rahh! attitude.
Jack, get a clue; the disaffection you see from the Generals, who oppose the current “strategy” and refuse to take on this cockamamie “War Czar” job, are more than matched by discontent and a desire to be home in the lower ranks. At last count, it was five Generals who have told the chimp “no thanks”.
I always get a kick out of the righties trying to act as if it were a matter of square miles voting for President rather than people. The PEOPLE who vote live mostly in blue states. More Dems are registered voters than Publicans. There are simple facts – and the reason why the GOP does everything it can to stop people from voting.
And, If I were you, don’t count on those “fly-over” states too much. You might want to look in to a poll released by your very favorite Neocon pollsters, Strategic Visions, who found among six hundred adult, likely Republican Caucus members in Iowa, that 52 per cent favored a withdrawal much sooner than that proposed by the Democratic Congress.
Why do we need a “War Czar”? Is “being the decider” gettin’ a little tough for the poor widdle Commander-in-Chief?
The really pathetic thing is that there’s a war at all for someone to be a “czar” about.
Gotta agree with you ArtFart. Luck coupled with good police work caught Ahmed Ressam and James Ujama. And they were prosecuted by that “noted incompetent, fired US Attorney,” John McKay (Irony Alert).
The “War on Terra” got us an unwieldy, incompetent bureaucracy staffed by cronies and whacko wingnuts. . .
@75 “If I voted for a Republican I hate the troops? I don’t think so.”
Let’s analyze this statement.
For years, wingnuts like Jack Bubblebutt have been telling us that if you vote for a Democrat you hate the troops. So why shouldn’t we say if you vote for a Republican you hate the troops? Especially since truth is on our side:
1. Whooooo sent the troops to Iraq without body or vehicle armor?
2. Whooooo parked the wounded in moldy tenements?
3. Whooooo fed the troops tainted food and bad water?
4. Whooooo tried to eliminate the troops’ combat pay?
5. Whooooo cut veterans funding?
@81 “And then they point to some lesser-known politician 20 years ago – hoping we won’t notice that it’s THEIR guys in power now and THEIR guys getting caught.”
A lot of times those “Democrats” are just guys who called themselves “Democrats” to get elected but they’re not really Democrats. Low Tax Looper, for example, discovered he couldn’t get elected by joining the KKK and calling himself a “Democrat” so he ran as a Republican and the damn-fool Republican Party supported him and he got elected — and went to jail as a Republican (for murdering his Democratic opponent — not much of a “Democrat” huh?).
This Nifong guy that fucked up the Duke players case is another one. He worked in a county that votes 90% Democratic, so he called himself a “Democrat.” You can be sure that if Durham County voted Republican, he would call himself a “Republican.” He sure acts like one! He had a reputation around the courthouse for vulgarity and nastiness. That sounds pretty Republican to me.
Jack Burton @ 21
Dear Jack-ass,
What are you smoking? The collapse of the party of wingnuts is not yet complete. The learned among us say that it may take two decades for your party to recover from the damage Bush and Co. has wrought.
I suggest pulling your head out of your ass.In two years you are going to lose a minimum of 5 more Senate seats and 10 to 15 more seats in Congress. Take a look at who is up for reelection and you will see that you are talking out of your considerable ass.
An example would be John McCain. He wants to be president. He may not hold on to his seat in the Senate.
The tide has turned alright, but it is a blue tide, not a red one.
We are just getting started. Now if you fellows will just cooperate and lose some more emails……..thank you.
The smartest person in the room is now the the American Voter. Not Karl or George or Tom.
I am Republican – I do what’s best for the Country. I lie, steal and cheat when I’m not being a family man (fat whore) or a crying hypocrite. I’d tell you that I got my head up my ass, but I’ll be politcaly correct and say it’s just buried in the sand.
Love Daddy sez:
“Except that there are a lot more people in the cities and in Blue country at the coasts. Oh, and the mountain West states are trending Blue. If only those big, empty states could vote. But people vote, and people are sick and damn tired of the Republicans.
Yeah, and I’m sure that the “military, ex-military, family and close friends of the military” are really, really grateful to the president and his Republican supporters for extending their tours of duty for their endless war plan…uh-huh, I’ll bet they’re all just thrilled.”
I’d say they are tired of both the Dems and Repubs.
They will vote for who they feel will deal with this war in the manner best for the US. YES that means that some will vote for the “pull out now” candidate.
Who wins? We’ll see. Of course I’m sure I’ll be told how it’s gonna go by the usual cast of characters mixed with a sizeable dose of riducule and personal attacks.
You right, NOBODY like to deploy repeatedly. That being said, I don’t get the impression from my visits to Ft Lewis that the troops are in the snivel mode.
The current games being played with each side calling the other out for not supporting the troops is pretty much seen for what it is.
Dems tack on conditions and considerable pork knowing full well that Bush is gonna Veto….then go: “SEE! The Repubs really don’t support the troops otherwise the bill would get signed.” Puleez.
ArtFart says:
Why do we need a “War Czar”? Is “being the decider” gettin’ a little tough for the poor widdle Commander-in-Chief?
The really pathetic thing is that there’s a war at all for someone to be a “czar” about.
I’m not to keen on this Czar thing either. So I’ll trade you one War Czar for one Dept.of Peace.
Rabid Rabbit sez:
1. Whooooo sent the troops to Iraq without body or vehicle armor?
2. Whooooo parked the wounded in moldy tenements?
3. Whooooo fed the troops tainted food and bad water?
4. Whooooo tried to eliminate the troops’ combat pay?
5. Whooooo cut veterans funding?
BOTH the Dems and Repubs.
But “while in Rome…..” we might as well blame Bush. He is, after all, an evil man, the monkey boy from hell. Even bad weather is his fault. I’m pretty sure he personally took it upon himself to poison the pet food.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18100126/
One more lie from Puffybutt AKA Jack Burton’s pals in the Publican party.
Once again I repeat, do you right wing asshole suckers really think we’re gonna just forget about all this?
RightEqualsStupid says: “One more lie from Puffybutt AKA Jack Burton’s pals in the Publican party. Once again I repeat, do you right wing asshole suckers really think we’re gonna just forget about all this?”
I’m not sure. Apparently I’m busy either sucking assholes, hating troops or loving terrorists.
But honestly. I don’t think you’ll forget. Unless is suites your agenda, in which case, as always, anything goes. Otherwise you, aided by the MSM will obsess over this. Meanwhile, others obsess over who I voted for Congress all the while calling me a (gasp!) pussy without “honesty balls.” Honesty balls? Fellas, I mean really…honesty balls? Who dreamed up that one up?
You can never forget. After all it’s those evil neocon Republicans who are trying to destroy all that is good, honest and tastes good.
Of Course the Republicans will be saying the same about you. Locked in a battle both sides will hurl invectives, snarky phrases and the copious use of the words Fuck You (but meant in a tolerant and understanding way.) Links to irrelevant or biased websites will rule the day. Whoever dies with the most posts wins.
Since I am so busy not supporting the troops, smoking something or jacking off I won’t post all the time in every thread (I wonder who does that?) I won’t say who I voted for for Congress either.
So, I’ll strike a parting pose and until next time I present that lovable carrot munching bandwidth wasting rabbit who along with his minions and cohorts will perform their hit tune: George Bush, his entire administration and while we’re at it all Republicans are Evil Criminal Neocons Who Lie and watch FOX(remix)