What are the pinheads on the right going to lecture us about if the economy turns around? Things aren’t clear yet, but this is encouraging.
U.S. Rep. George Miller (D-CA), the chair of the House Education and Labor Committee, issued the following statement today after the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics announced that 162,000 jobs were created in March, the largest monthly job gain in three years. Excluding the expected bump in temporary census hiring, private sector hiring was still the highest last month since the recession began.
“Today’s news that our nation created the most jobs in three years is a sign that our efforts are helping to move our economy in the right direction. When President Obama first inherited this crisis, our economy was losing around 700,000 jobs a month. Today’s figures reflect what private sector economists have told us: that the Recovery Act has increased economic activity and is helping to restore confidence in families and businesses.
If this keeps up the Fox Noise apparatus will have to come up with some phony, manufactured outrage over a trivial issue that only inflames emotions and plays to people’s worst instincts.
That’s a tall order for them, I know, but they’ll find a way. They pretty much have to, because they don’t have any meaningful ideas to offer the American people, just a grab bag of resentments. Certainly nobody on our side should count any chickens right now, because the economy is still struggling, and the perils of self-delusion have been demonstrated by the noise machine for some decades. Keep calm and carry on, as it were.
Jon–
Simple answer to your question–
These jobs were created on the back of massive deficit spending in the form of $787 BILLION Porkulous and other Oba-Mao Credit Card abuse.
Freely spending money you don’t have via a credit card makes for short-term euphoria.
However, ultimately, the Credit Card Bill comes due. Our kids will suffer.
Any idiot can run up the credit card and throw $$ around. Oba-Mao is running it up faster than Bush. 2 irresponsible idiots back-to-back.
The thing is Jon, you have to look beyond today to understand the future impact of massive deficit spending. That is what the Tea Party Movement is all about.
If you don’t understand future consequences to current reckless borrowing, you ain’t no visionary Jon.
30 years ago, I was in Corporate America. I hated it and couldn’t wait to work with small businesspeople.
Anyway, we had a manager transferred into our office. He slashed all overhead and services. The office showed record profits. he got a $2 million bonus and was promoted. The poor schmuck who took his place came in as business was flying out the door. Not his fault. He got fired.
Corporate America is guilty of rewarding short-term profitability often at the expense of the future.
This is precisely what Obama is doing.
Borrow, squander…feel good with borrowed money.
Pay it back??
That’s the next guys problem.
No difference.
Ah.. That’s why you voted for Shrubya twice..
If the “death panels” don’t ACTUALLY start killing grandma. If Obama doesn’t ACTUALLY outlaw Christianity and install Islam as the national religion. If the economy keeps slowly improving over the next 2 years. If we get almost all of our troops out of Iraq. What….er….Republican is going to beat Obama in 2012? Remember Obama’s biggest strength is his campaigning skills. Dude, he’s a black man named Barrack Hussein Obama who beat the ‘declared’ front runner (Clinton) and won the final election in a near landslide. So, taunt all you want, but who are you going to actually RUN against him? Mitt Romney (who implemented mandatory insurance via the gov in Mass)? Sarah Palin? Tom Delay? Who?
Here’s the problems (always) in politics. Folks may be unhappy with Obama (or Congress) in general, and polls show that. But when you run an ACTUAL specific person against them, those polls change complete. Congress may have an 18% approval rating, but YOU keep re-electing YOUR congressman. People may be unhappy with specific things Obama is doing (or not doing enough) but would they RATHER have Sarah Palin running the country (for 6 months until she quits cause it’s…you know…hard)?
4 – Mr. Klynical the Klown is putting his hopes on the TEA PARTY.. Heh..
Oh wow here’s another chestnut from him this morning:
Which is exactly why he’s doing everything he can to shill for it by supporting braindead right wing policies.
Voting is an active decision. With Obama, his campaign was fueled in part by younger voters who typically choose not to bother to vote. Obama’s decisions about uranium mining, and oil drilling do not endear him to a significant swath of his campaign strength the last go around. And frankly, the give ins on the health care to the insurance industry leaves many non-plussed. While these voters would never vote for that idiot Sarah Palin, they probably just won’t vote. That will leave a gap for the next candidate to squeeze in.
As for jobs jobs, at the state level, I will work very hard to campaign on behalf of someone other than Gregoire. It won’t be a Republican though. And if there isn’t a decent other candidate, I won’t vote for her. I’m totally unimpressed and furious actually. As for my state reps…not especially impressed either. But no one runs against them. Last go around it was some tottering grumpy old man that ran against the state senator. I would never vote for some one else just because they are “different.” But as a body, the Washington State legislature sucks. Absolutely sucks.
YLB’s answer to his own personal budget deficit: start turning tricks…
7 – spoken like a true whore for ignorance.
Click on the link if you dare. You’ll be connected to a right winger with an unsavory question about another’s kids.
It’s just wonderful being right wing isn’t it?
hey mr. cynical — how do you think we got out of the depression unless it was big government deficits and full employment policies in ww2?
cynical, do you think we got out of the depression thru reducing taxes and government borrowing and slimming down goverment in the 1930s and 1940s?
because we didn’t do that.
is it your theory that we actually didn’t get out of the depression?
for the liberal’s id’d say stop with this caution bullshit we need to be loud and clear: BIG GOVERNMENT MAKES A BIG ECONOMY; SMALL GOVERNMENT MAKES YOU LIKE SOMALIA. Poor voilent and law of the jungle. If you want more personal freedom and opportunity you’d better go down that big government route because it got us out of the depression and is getting us out of the recession now.
Cynical, you’re an ignorant fool. I bet you can’t explain how we got out of the depression. I assume your remedy in 1932 thru 1945 would have been to lower taxes, shrink borrowing, balance the budget and so on. You’re like the ignoramuses who would refuse to take out a student loan to go to college to increase earning capacity because “borrowing is bad!”.
You do borrow in business don’t you? So borrowing can be okay, right? so your whole knee jerk anti borrowing theory is total ignorant bullshit, right?
We could go on and on, pointing to the marshall plan, germany’s institution of social security type systems in the late 19th century and england’s adoption of unemployment insurance, then national health care, similarly Canada, which you must know is now at about parity with USA income levels? so your whole theory of government spending and government programs being inherently wrong or harmful to the economy has no more merit than believing in fairies or ghosts. Your intellectual level is like a 4 year old because you don’t base your ideas on experience, instead you wildly imagine certain things are true and ignore all epxerience and knowledge to the contrary like a a child or an untutored, ignorant person from the middle of the mongolian desert who thinks a photo camera will take his soul, or money is an evil spirit.
Go ahead get the per capita income statistics for different nations, and tell us the tax rate and % of government spending as % of the economy, and try to prove me wrong. You can do the same thing at the state level, it’s the states with income tax that are all the higher income states in the USA. Your theories lead to being Somalia, or Mississippie, and you and your kind are plainly too stupid to realize it.
“Any idiot can run up the credit card and throw $$ around…”
Which is exactly what Reagan did, yet he’s lauded by the right as being a hero and economic miracle-worker.
The difference between the Republicans from Reagan onward is that they ran up the debt by cutting taxes for the rich and giving government contracts to their favored large companies, arguing that the benefits will eventually “trickle down” to the little guy. The Democrats give tax breaks and subsidies directly to the little guy, arguing that the businesses will benefit eventually from increased consumer spending.
And the bottom line is that the elites that fund both political parties are loathe to bail out the little guy.
That tends to cause inflation. When the little guy is flush, he buys a bigger house, drives more miles to work, drives up the prices of commodities of all kinds through increased consumption. The economy grows and expands driving up demand for labor and worst of all causes companies to compete for people. When wages are driven up, the little guy gets richer and the rich guys tend to get richer more slowly.
So bailing out the rich guy is the preferred policy by those who run the show. The rich guy knows what to do with money – hoarde it, investing a portion of it in exotic vehicles like hedge funds that more or less acts as a leach on the general economy. Anything to avoid a repeat of the inflation of the seventies.
“Anyway, we had a manager transferred into our office. He slashed all overhead and services. The office showed record profits. he got a $2 million bonus and was promoted. The poor schmuck who took his place came in as business was flying out the door. Not his fault. He got fired.”
Yea, I see that a lot, and it ticks me off – managing for short-term benefits to the detriment of the long-term survivability of the company. Fortunately, we don’t see that so much in my company, but we are still being hammered by the downturn, and cost-cutting is still the order of the day.
But contrary to you, I see Republican policies being more similar to that tactic, rather than Democrat policies. Bush’s tax cuts which wiped out two decade’s worth of work to balance the budget, refusing to even count Iraqi war-related expenses in the budget (even after several years), sole-source contracting to politically favored companies, dismanteling FEMA prior to Katrina, etc. are similar short-term tactics which have long-run consequences.
YLB commenting on a thread titled: “Jobs, jobs, jobs”
Now that’s hilariously funny. :)
YLB@11: Except that now the rich guys have figured out how to cut out the trickle-down to the middle class entirely, skipping wage inflation in the process. Outsourcing to foreign countries has allowed them to simply take a cut of the money on each side as they buy products from foreign suppliers and sell them to American consumers.
That’s why this rescession is being so resistent to recovery. In the past you could give money to consumers (via a tax cut, subsidies, advance of tax refunds, or even a check in the mail) and it would spur consumer spending, which would spur factory orders, which would spur hiring, etc. But this time around “goosing” the economy with such tactics isn’t working as well, because the new factory orders aren’t here, but overseas.
By the way, China is moving to some more protectionist policies, forcing more and more businesses to buy Chinese-produced goods. They feel comfortable that they’ve gotten to the point that they’ve closed the technological gap with the U.S., and now that they’ve learned most of what they needed to know, they aren’t so concerned about U.S. firms pulling out of China. I’m expecting this to gradually deteriorate into a trade war, with the U.S. ultimately having to decide whether or not to rescind “most favored nation” status to China.
@1 “These jobs were created on the back of massive deficit spending in the form of $787 BILLION Porkulous and other Oba-Mao Credit Card abuse.”
Then you apparently believe the free market is creating NO jobs, which isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of your free market ideology, is it?
@2 “Borrow, squander…feel good with borrowed money. Pay it back?? That’s the next guys problem. No difference.”
Isn’t that what you guys did 2001-2008? Isn’t that how we got into the present mess? Can you possibly reek of hypocrisy more? Phew! You need a bath.
@10 “arguing that the benefits will eventually “trickle down” to the little guy”
Which, of course, they didn’t. With the ascent of Reaganism began the decline of the middle class.
@13 You’re not funny, merely boring, like a broken record going tick, tick, tick, tick, tick …
14 – Yep. The Bush “recovery” did not feel like a recovery to the majority of people in this country and now the Obama recovery will more or less follow suit.
And due to that offshoring of production, the right wing arguments about inflation fall completely flat. Rich people have gotten the bailouts and their money isn’t chasing cheap goods from China.
Free trade is ok in my book as long as something rises to take the place of the offshoring of legacy industries like steel.
And that hasn’t happened to the degree it needs to happen in this country.
@15
Apparently most of the “new” jobs created in March were a result of temporary hiring for the Census. Who said government doesn’t create jobs?
Now if we could just get a 21st century WPA or CCC …
@17
It’s not “trickle down” it’s “trickle on”.
As I predicted last year, the benefits of the Stimulus package will begin showing up in the spring/summer of this year because 2/3 of the money, and the real spending is just now beginning to emerge. It will begin to create a slew of new jobs. Just in time for the fall elections.
The first 1/3 of the Stimulus package went to tax breaks and programs that benefited middle income America — not Paris Hilton and Halliburton.
The distinction for Americans will become crystal clear this fall — choose Reagan Republicans and get the massive borrowing without any ROI like Reagan, Bush 41 & Bush 43 did, or the responsible fiscal policies of President Clinton and the Democrats who create Pay Go and left this country in the best fiscal shape in 100 years.
The majority of Americans will choose Democratic policies.
The distinction is between getting things accomplished with a positive attitude or the Party of NO with an outlook of HELL NO YOU CAN’T!
The majority of Americans will choose Democratic policies.
The distinction is between trying to improve the health and welfare of everyone or S&M bondage clubs, endless sex scandals, crime and corruption.
The majority of Americans will choose Democratic policies.
When the bastions of the Conservative Christian movement, like the Family Research Council, rejects the RNC because they are immoral and explicitly tells their members NOT to give money to the RNC, you know the end is near for the GOP.
What we are witnessing from the right are the death throes of the Reagan Revolution which is why their rhetoric is so over the top, overheated and in many cases simply out and out lies. Like Death Camps.
Mainstream America doesn’t buy the Reagan ideology of governing any more. Teabaggers, Republicans and conservatives in general are out of step with rational thinking moderate public.
RIP Reagan Revolution.
Look, government debt and spending isn’t that big a secret, we’ve known the answers since the 1930’s, but we don’t always follow the rules.
The basic rule is that government deficit spending should follow exactly the opposite of the general economic trends. Ironically, it is
If the economy is humming along, the government is bringing in more tax money, and should be using that opportunity to reduce it’s borrowing and pay down debt. The ultimate goal is to have zero debt by the time the economy ends it’s “up” cycle. This has several advantages: (a) by not adding deficit spending to the economy, it helps prevent/reduce inflation, (b) it avoids spending money on goods and services when prices are at their highest, and (c) a zero (or low) debt gives the government room to borrow more when it needs it.
If the economy is in a down-cycle, that’s when the government needs to be borrowing money. This has the effect of (a) preventing/limited deflation, (b) pays for goods and services when prices are low, (c) keeps the “economic pump primed” and avoids a domino-effect of a collapsing economy.
The problem was that the Republicans during the Bush administration had it backwards. They took a relatively good economy in 2000, and ran up debt at a voracious rate even while the economy was still on pretty good terms (the post 9/11 collapse aside, which was unrelated to economic factors). Then when the real crisis hit, we were already running trillion-dollar deficits.
RHP @ 22:
Everything you say is true, I would add to the fact that the Bush administration ignored the signs that the country’s economy was slowing down in 2007 because 2008 was an election year.
For them to begin taking steps to address the impending recession would fly in the face of their rhetoric that the “fundamentals of the economy are strong.”
It would have really hurt their chances to maintain the presidency, and pick up more seats in congress in 2008.
The Republicans took a calculated risk of letting the economy slide to get Republicans elected.
It almost worked, too. Up until the day the economy damn near melted down the McCain/Palin ticket was actually leading Obama/Biden.
That melt down, and the backroom sweetheart deals that were being cut by Bush and Paulson determining the winners and losers of the financial crisis were already being decided. They were just hoping they could make it to the November elections without a catastrophic collapse of the economy.
They were wrong and millions of Americans lost their jobs, homes, and life savings that hurt America for generations to come with their irresponsible and unsustainable fiscal policies.
We Liberals did something about it!! Reagan Republicanism is DEAD!
rhp @22: Almost nothing you say is true. The backwards Bush administration didn’t take a “relatively good economy in 2000” and run up voracious debt while the economy was on “pretty good terms.”
That’s because, you twit, there was no Bush administration in 2000. There was a Clinton/Flynt administration that had a popped bubble economy. Equities peaked in early 2000, then popped. Candidate Bush was bashed by the left in late 2000 for talking down an economy that was already on the way down. Bush told the truth: Clinton and Lewinsky were leaving an economic mess for the next administration to deal with.
Clinton’s recession officially began about five weeks after he took his bent dick back to Little Rock or Harlem or Westchester … forget where it was that he and Hillary didn’t end up together.
Bush’s Democrat Senate in mid-2001 ran up voracious debt, starting with stimulus checks that didn’t stimulate. Then the two towers came down.
Your nonsense about 1930’s rules is nonsense. You and GBS are idiots. Have a nice day.
(Check out another April Fool idiot, Rush Limbaugh, in the comments at Stefan’s excellent Soundpolitics.)
GBS, you idiot, the Stimulus package is a slush fund. Spending was deferred, as you assert, but it was deferred to coincide with the 2010 election. Undeserving Democrats will misdirect our money into their districts to buy votes. That’s the way Big Bloated Government has worked since the New Deal. Big books have been written about the political abuse of public money by all those New Deal deals such as WPA and CCC and AAA and NIRA. Maybe you should read at least one of those books before boring us with BS.
As for TARP, Turbo Tim Geithner, your boy, was in the middle of it, he and his Democrat whores at Goldman and Citi. Robber Rubin: remember him? Clinton’s Treasury Secretary who went on to loot the treasury at Citi?
And as for jobs jobs jobs, census, census, census, temp, temp, temp … Eventually it comes to this: Obama’s lost or misplaced or mislaid almost 4 million real jobs since he took the oath on the Koran. And hate to dump on your high fives and your lies about Reagan and Bush, but you might check out the news today, oh boy:
Geithner: Jobless Rate to Stay ‘Unacceptably High’…
Geithner: Financial Institutions’ Upturn “Unfair”…
Poll: More Americans Fault Obama for Slump…
Gallup: GOP moves ahead of Democrats on generic Congressional ballot…
54,000 of these “jobs” are Census jobs—temporary.
Trying to remember what my bro GBS called me last week ….. trying to connect the dots. Oh yes, think it was something like this: Typical, punk ass bitch pussy American hating, troop hating chickehawk Republican.
So I tried patiently to explain to GBS (who’s a little slow) how and why our 1930’s military services weren’t sleeping giants but were sleeping. To explain, in other words, why GBS (who called me a typical, punk ass bitch pussy American hating, troop hating chickehawk Republican) is a fool. An idiot. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Some of my best freinds are idiot fools, but none of them call me a typical, punk ass bitch pussy American hating, troop hating chickehawk Republican. That’s because, as little as they know, they know better.
Who said this in September 2002?
[ ]A. Bush (GW)
[ ]B. Bush (Jenna)
[ ]C. Bush (Kate)
[ ]D. Cheney (Darth)
[ ]E. Rove (Satan)
Who said this on 10 September 2002?
[ ]A. Limbaugh
[ ]B. Beck (Glenn)
[ ]C. Beck (Seattle Dave)
[ ]D. Rove
[ ]E. Scooty Libber
Who said this after being apprehended?
[ ]A. Lee Harvey Oswald, referring to New Deal commie lawyer John Abt
[ ]B. Frank Sinatra (NY NY …)
[ ]C. Rudy Giuliani
162,000 – 54,000 = 108,000 jobs created.
A compare 108,000 job created vs. 700,000 per month lost under Bush when the economy fell off a cliff is an 800,000 job swing. Good for Democrats and bad for RNC.
Keep on telling the American public that while we almost sank into another Republican created Great Depression at 700,000 jobs lost per month at the end of Bush’ watch vs the 100,000 created by President Obama is somehow a bad thing and the American public should hire Republicans again.
Always a few dead enders at the end of every regime. Even a few Nazi’s continued their resistance after they lost. So too are the Reagan Revolutionaries who won’t come to grips with their complete and utter DEFEAT!
Putz @ 24: I never said Bush was in charge in 2000. I said the economy was in pretty good shape in 2000. Bush took office in January 2001.
Sure, we had the dot-com bubble burst in the summer of 2000, but that was a market correction with limited general impact. And the stimulus check which you pass off as if it was the sole work of the “Democratic Senate” was pushed hard by Bush, who then was first in line to take credit for it, with barely a whisper that it was merely a loan against tax refunds due a few months later.
And you conveniently miss the entire point that the Bush tax cuts, combined with an unfunded/unbudgeted war, put us deep in the red BEFORE the the economic collapse of the summer of 2008.
And yet while out economic house is fully ablaze, you have the Republicans constantly complaining about the cost of the water being used to put out the fire.
Duh!
Conservatives, always with the troop hating!
I call you those things because:
A) It’s true.
B) You couldn’t stop me if you wanted to. That much I do know.
Puss.
Who said this?
[ ]A. Vlad the Impaler
[ ]B. Himmler
[ ]C. Torquemada
[ ]D. Young Republican Ted Bundy
[ ]E. Darth Cheney
[ ]F. Satan Rove
[ ]G. Darryl
31: Another point about the jobs report: aside from the Census jobs, the experts analyzing the reports were surprised out the diversity of the job growth in all sectors. That is probably the data which gives them the most reason for optimisim.
Also, home prices seem to have stabilized, with a slight creep upwards in many of the hardest-hit areas of the country. This is a necessary precursor to a rebound in the construction and development industry.
But the potential problem in the commercial real estate market is still cause for concern. Business leases generally are for several years at a time, so they don’t show the fluctuation you often see in residential lease rates. But as those leases come up for renewal, current vacancy rates can have a downward impact on rates lasting several years, and major building owners could find themselves unable to pay their mortgages.
Good thing the rest of us don’t lower ourselves to GBSBS’s level and call people names.
(How do you like your Meow Mix? Over easy? Half baked?)
This is what you said/typed:
Read it again. Keep moving your lips as you read so you actually get acquainted with your own words. They ‘speak’ for themselves but, as usual, have nothing to ‘say.’
Have a nice day.
I cant decide is GBS is 15 or 16 years old
discuss.
Is Saturated Maxie Pad a domestic terrorist or an Islamic terrorist?
Discuss.
answer: neither.
end of discussion.
Max, Mr. Cynical, JJ Putz are one of us.
A sleeper cell in America. Allah willing they will carry out their grand plan to bring America to its knees working with the RNC and Tea Party.
Max is a domestic Islamic terrorist
Max is a domestic Islamic terrorist.
At least according to the FBI’s most wanted.
Max and Mr. Cynical are an operational sleeper cell working with the RNC to destory America, Allah willing.
Clinton’s bursting bubble, in fact, has never corrected (using the usual indices as metrics.) Clinton’s bursting bubble led to recession. Unless you have a better explanation for an economy that was tilting into recession before Bush took the oath.
Bush did not want to fight the recession with stimulus checks. His best advice was that stimulus checks wouldn’t be stimulative: they’d either be hoarded or used to pay down credit-card debt. Idiot that he was, he got rolled, by Daschle, into sending checks.
Tax cuts cut the edge of the recession and of the terrorist catastrophe on 9/11. And no, I’ve never missed the point about Bush’s no-win credit-card war … at least I never missed the point after April Fool’s Day 2003.
And I complained loudly about Bush’s attempt to buy Florida with drugs. Not that giving drugs to geezers isn’t laudable, you know, and not that Bush’s “market-based” entitlement hasn’t been somewhat fiscally sane, but it’s an entitlement. Like Obamacare. It’s another accretion of bloat when we’re not paying for the bloat we inherited from FDR, JFK, and LBJ.
The shilling of “It’s Clinton’s fault!” only works with the hardcore base of the Fox News crowd.
It will NEVER be 50% +1 in national elections.
Reaganism is DEAD!
Wrong number: RNC lists phone-sex hotline
Spokesman says a typo caused the letter to contain a toll-free 800 number
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36....._politics/
These dick sucks can’t even get a God Damn donor letter right, and they want to run the largest economy on the planet again???
Thanks, but no thanks.
You guys fucked it up plenty last time. Get used to being out of power for 40 years again.
You cum drunk ass holes.
Who said this to Blitzer in February 2003?
[ ]A. Cheney (Darth)
[ ]B. Cheney (Lynne)
[ ]C. Cheney (Liz)
[ ]D. Cheney (Lon)
Maxie doesn’t have the balls to be a terrorist. He’d have to put his life on the line, and, poor Maxie, he won’t even leave his parents’ house at night for fear of the dark. Fear, of course, is what lies at the heart of conservatism–fear of the future, fear of change, fear of the unknown, fear of strangers, fear of freedom.
Hey! We already have a winner! KSM @ 44 & @46!
It was indeed KSM, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who smugly asserted has rights and who said he had nothing to say until clearing comments with his lawyer in New York.
Then he was dampened. Then he sang like a bird.
If Mr. KSM was insufficiently Mirandized, he is entitled to a tangible apology. Should that apology be millions of dollars, or billions of dollars?
Discuss.
Do you eat with that mouth? Do you pray with that mouth? Hardly seems like something for a sensitive compassionate Christian Social-Gospel Socialist to say.
(Read Chambers yet?)
@49….more projecting? me thinks so.
sorry, im not into the fear game. I think the left pretty much used that one up during the last 8 years.
Osama, you ignorant quasi-Afghan goat puller. Everybody knows that no goat is safe among Horsesass Democrats.
They are your fifth column of fuck buddies, but they go cuckoo for goat pulls. So keep hanging with your liberal golden goats if you must, but be aware that when you put our liberals and your goats in the same room, it’s gonna get very nasty and messy.
(asserted has rights = asserted his rights)
Which of these Democrat Senators did not say that Saddam Hussein (not to be confused with Hussein Obama) had WMD?
Hillary Clinton
John Kerry
Harry Reid
Ted Kennedy
Carl Levin
KKK Robert Byrd
B-Box Barbara Boxer
Twinkle Toes Larry Craig
Former senator Chuck Robb said the intel in Bush’s PDB was not “markedly different” from the intel given to Democrat senators (see above) in the National Intelligence Estimate.
Is/was Robb:
[ ]A. A GOP senator
[ ]B. A Radical Republican senator
[ ]C. A rabid Republican senator
[ ]D. A Baathist Taliban Senator
Who said, in early 2003, there “was no convincing evidence” Iraq had destroyed its anthrax stockpiles; there was “strong evidence” Iraq had produced more anthrax than admitted; that “at least some of this [anthrax] remained”; that Iraq had 650 kilos or “bacterial growth media” for anthrax; that Iraq
Who said in early 2003 that Iraq had stockpiles of anthrax, had 650 kilos of “bacterial growth media” for making anthrax, and had 6,500 undisclosed chemical bombs?
[ ]A. Nazi Prescott Bush
[ ]B. Evil Karl Rove
[ ]C. Prince of Darkness Cheney
@53 Hey, you do know I have copyrights on some of that material, don’t you? That said, feel free to continue with full permission.
Maxie @ 52
Not at all, not at all. Actually, the psychological profile of a typical conservative generally does reveal fears of the types I identify. I’m not making this up. A conservative, by definition, does not like change. Think about it, Maxie.
Colin Powell’s
We know, via Woodward, that CIA director George Tenet told Bush that WMD in Iraq were a “slam dunk.” We know from Woodward the “president told Tenet several times, “Make sure no one stretches to make our case.”
Can we infer that Tenet, appointed by Bill Clinton, misled Powell and stretched to pull down the popular Bush presidency?
Steve: You got there first? To the Afghan goat pulls?
If you were already on top of this, so to speak, I didn’t know. No larceny intended. Total coincidence. Final proof that great minds whirl around the same circles.
(Outta here. See you later, intubator.)
@59
not liking some types of change is a long ways from “fear”…nice try, but fail.
some change is good, and some change is bad.
Maxie
The only change conservatives like is a return to the wrong ways things were done in the past.
Good question for the RNC’s “young eagles” who frequent lesbian S&M bondage strip clubs, and former Sen. Larry Craig who, with his mouth, sucks random dick in bathroom stalls at international airports then goes home to his kiss wife.
Dummie probably has a “wide stance” too and picks up pieces of used toilet paper off bathroom stall floors in public restrooms. Where, as everyone knows, men have terrible aim.
What a bunch of lies. You guys are dick sucks and you know it.
Correction at 64:
I wrote Dummie probably has a “wide stance” . . . Meant to write Maxie Pad has a “wide stance”.
My bad and my apologies.