You know, I had thought that one of the advantages of being Jewish is that nobody could accuse me of being a traitor to the so-called Aryan race… but I hadn’t counted on our modern, sensitized, 21st century Nazis being so inclusive:
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:32:10 EST
From:
To: goldy@horsesass.org
Subject: RACE TRAITORJEW COMMUNIST SCUM, WE ARE WATCHING YOU!!!!!!!
Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is Racially and Religiously privileged and confidential. It is intended for specific Aryan recipients only and Brothers and Sisters of their choosing. If you are a jew, you can only be in possession through deceit, treachery, guile, cunning, dissimulation and chicanery, and such possession of this e-mail is contrary to law. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail through the error of someone else, you must notify the sender and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments immediately. You should neither retain, nor copy nor use this e-mail or any attachment for any purpose. Disclosure of all or any part of the contents to any other jew is a punishable offense.
The email went on to helpfully include the addresses of several Nazi websites, but out of deference to the confidentiality notice above, I have declined to promote them here. Out of similar respect, I have also redacted the email address of the sender, but I assure you that googling it would uncover additional useful resources on the American Nazi movement… that is, assuming you consider a handful of ridiculous, drably-costumed nutcases protesting ironic statues, to be a “movement.”
I should note that this is far from the first anti-semitic email I have received, nor is it remotely the most offensive… in fact, these “official” Nazis could learn quite a few tricks from the amateurs. But whether you chalk it up to boldness or stupidity, it is the first overt threat I’ve ever received where the sender apparently did not feel the need to maintain total anonymity.
For years, Dave Neiwert over at Orcinus has chronicled the gradual spread of eliminationist rhetoric from the far right-wing fringe into mainstream discourse. But the flip-side to the mainstreaming of their rhetoric, is that these extremists continue to grow ever more extreme. And bolder. And for this, the high-profile, professional antagonists who make their living parroting this violent hate speech (i.e. Ann Coulter) have at least some moral culpability.
Judging from his email address, my pen-pal fancies himself an elite, SS commando — a twisted, if sadly pathetic fantasy — though in the real world, I’m guessing he’s more beer belly than Beer Hall Putsch.
Whatever. Watch me all you want. (Right now I’m doing my one finger version of the Nazi salute.) Just bear in mind, we’re watching you too.
If they come to arrest Roger Rabbit for being a liberal, I’ll give ’em a demonstration of one-finger karate. (click-click)
ANN COULTER IS IN LOVE!!! To see photo of her boyfriend, click here http://www.rotten.com/library/.....niform.jpg
JCH is outed!!! To see photo of JCH and his relatives (JCH is the little runt at dead center), click here http://www.ibdhost.com/demo/ga.....kroach.jpg
To see Stefan’s family photo album, click here http://www.museum.state.il.us/.....hotos.html
So Stefan — I know you read this blog, after all it’s much more entertaining then your sucky little blog — why aren’t you going to share the loot from your lawsuit against King County with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who paid for the lawsuit, you selfish prick?!!
Roger Rabbit posted the first 6 comments on this thread. If you don’t like it, click here http://www.msu.edu/~nixonjos/a.....-unger.jpg
Fuck all nazis
Rodger, settle down. You are going to get your cute little tail in a knot. I am watching these Nazi fuckers too…through the scope on my rifle.
Here bunny, more virtual carrots for you. Munch away.
OOPS Roger, not Rodger. Sorry bunny.
I was under the impression that jews wern’t very popular with communists either?
Shoe,
Jews have been reviled for ages by the populist right as a “conspiratorial cabal of international bankers” controlling world history (cf. John Birch Society and many others before them). On the other hand, many of the early socialists (pre Stalin & Mao) were jewish, and the left is often dennounced as a “jewish conspiracy” (cf one A. Hitler).
My question is this: If world history is just the unfolding of a massive jewish conspiracy by rabble rousing communist bankers, how could they have fucked it up so bady for themselves?
Goldy–
As our very 1st Gay & Lesbian Afro-Jewish Blogger, I’m sure you are overwhelmed by the opportunities to feign offense. You are the Blogging Leader when it comes to being offended. And now with all your newly adopted monikors (being Gay and a Lesbian! plus your Afro-Jewish heritage) it is probably comforting for you to go back to your “roots” of finding some quack you puts something stupid on the internet about Jews.
Goldy, you are not paranoid when they are really out to get you dude!
I pointed out on another thread that whether or not one should be considered a journalist depends on the credibility of the writer.
Judging by the comments posted here by the ranting right, Goldy qualifies on the anti-Semitism stories alone.
No wonder the Bush worshippers don’t like to be called fascists. It describes their behavior so well.
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin.....va=fascist
Goldy start checking the IP of this asshole. My guess is he is posting from an official GOP party computer. Nobody likes the Nazis like the republicans.
Why is a party that has “sociali$m” in its name considered far right? Why can’t it just be a detested organization that should be denounced by everyone with a brain?
BTW, the definition of fascism starts sounding a lot more like the anti-war crowd who would like to see Sadam returned to power, now that we are losing the civil war. He was the embodiment of a dictator who uses nationalism to further his power. Last time I looked, he was on trial, and the Iraq was working its way to a better place.
But don’t let facts get in the way of sliming the right. It really adds credibility to an argument to toss in ad hominem attacks.
As sure as the sun rises and sets, Deanron continues to hold the voter database transaction log hostage. By unlawfully withholding these public records for yet another weekend, Deanron has put the county’s taxpayers at risk to pay out yet another $200 in fines. As I’ve mentioned, I will use whatever award I receive from this lawsuit for future projects to hold government accountable. So I guess this is an example of how Deanron really does “create wealth more efficiently”.
Roger you friend is not going to share his wealth with you when he wins the pending court case.
No wonder the Bush worshippers don’t like to be called fascists. It describes their behavior so well.
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin.....va=fascist
Commentby Voter Advocate— 3/6/06@ 6:46 am
Dean Logan when did you say the Feds are going to finish that aduit? Remember Trust is what encourages folks to vote, and the ballot is counted by what is mark on them.
Janet
Which side of the civil war are “we” on?
I haven’t heard anybody asking for Sadman’s return..were you suprised as Bush about the civil war?
15.
“Why is a party that has “sociali$m” in its name considered far right?”
Because the socialism the German national socialists were refering to was the supremacy of the Aryan race, who were to rule all things in Germany, regardless of economic considerations.
the anti-war crowd who would like to see Sadam returned to power
I haven’t heard anyone say that they seriously support the re-instatement of Saddam Hussein. I have heard people say that the region would be more stable and the U. S. better off if he had been left in power while a more rational plan for securing Iraq was thought out. This is the position of foreign policy “realists”. While us peace lovers sometimes agree with the realists, they favor the continuation of the US foreign policy of meddling in the Middle East, which makes the the “enemy of our enemy” kind of friend, at best.
Recently one such person, Rober Baer, who was a CIA case officer operating in the Middle East from 1976 to 1997 expressed this view:
QUESTIONER: We overthrew a country that despite how cruel Saddam Hussein was, he was not one to aggressively foster terrorism within Iraq. And yet you have the Saudis, who are our closest friends and who do finance terrorism, as you point out, to the tune of a billion dollars over the last decade. It seems like everything’s upside down.
BAER: Well, I think it is. I think it’s pretty clear now that Saddam was not supporting bin Laden to any degree that we can establish … So we have created a terrorist state where we didn’t have one before. Are we worse off with the terrorist state in Iraq now, or with Saddam before, who was out of his mind and could attack a country like Saudi Arabia? Who knows what he was going to do next. We’re facing two evils here. I’m frankly more scared of the fundamentalists than I was of Saddam.
Whatever you may think of Baer’s point of view, which Bush 41 and Brent Scrowcroft share with him, they aren’t a part of the “anti-war crowd”.
So, if you are concerned with observing the facts, try doing it yourself.
It’s not the number of votes that counts.
It’s who counts the votes that matters.
I’m just trying to figure out what you anti-war folks want to do now. Just saying “get out” isn’t an answer. I figured you all thought things were better with Saddam in power than out, so why not return him? He’ll murder enough people to get things back under control.
There isn’t a civil war happening in Iraq. There is an insurgency, being led by foreigners, and causing lots of pain and agony for Iraqis. The Iraqis want the US to stay until things are stable. And, no, I’m not looking up the references for you. I’m tired of your laziness for not reading something other than this blog and Daily Kos. Get out of the house once in awhile.
good grief! you are doing this AGAIN?
will you stop already with the made up “look at me i might be in danger” crap already?
write something with some truth in it for a change.
and BTW, the innane fool who commented on this thread about the “right wingers” [supposedly] “Judging by the comments posted here by the ranting right, Goldy qualifies on the anti-Semitism stories alone.”
oh brother………could you be more obvious?
unless roger is now right wing no one else has been able [or interested in] putting in their two cents worth.
here’s mine…get off the “look at me the poor beaten down jew “thing. it’s old, it’s not true, and you just pull it out everytime you are not the center of the blog-o-sphere.
and MESA….there is no civil war in iraq. just the same tools blowing things up as before. do you have any idea how long it was before all that stopped in germany after we went in?
no???
didn’t think so………
So, if you are concerned with observing the facts, try doing it yourself.
Comment by Voter Advocate— 3/6/06@ 9:14 am
Dean Logan have you observed the fact that the Democrat Party is now refer to as the Socialist Democrats, because they took the party away from the real Democrats. The far far left is not doing the party any favors by holding it hostage by socialist. Why don’t they make a new party of their own and give it an appropriate name? Roger and Gang what do you say on this subject?
and MESA….there is no civil war in iraq. just the same tools blowing things up as before. do you have any idea how long it was before all that stopped in germany after we went in?
no???
didn’t think so………
Commentby christmasghost— 3/6/06@ 10:05 am
MESA what civil war?
It’s not the number of votes that counts.
It’s who counts the votes that matters.
Commentby Joe Stalin— 3/6/06@ 9:14 am
Hey Dean Logan this chap might have you answer. Did the Germans stuff the ballot box in the 1930’s?
Janet S. @ 21 and which Iraqi’s are the ones you say want us to stay? The government puppets?, the Sunni’s? You seem to know so much about insurgency. What do you think would have happened in the 60’s if Cuba or Russia had attacked the US with nuclear weapons? Would the entire 250 million of us have just rolled over and became Communists? We would have been the insurgents in the US trying everything possible to get the ‘predators’ out. Many in Iraq now see the US as predators. Building 13 or 14 PERMANENT military bases! Does that sound like an ‘exit plan’. I would really like to see your comments Janet S. You know, something that might make a little sense.
Janet, why do you lie so much?
What do you think would have happened in the 60’s if Cuba or Russia had attacked the US with nuclear weapons? Would the entire 250 million of us have just rolled over and became Communists?
Commentby Cougar— 3/6/06@ 10:23 am
Cougar in the 60’s that would not have happen in the first place, for one Cuba lack the military might to complete that task. Russia lack the Navy and Air power to invade this country. Today you don’t have to invade this country take over its goverment. Seattle would act like the French,they would walk around all day with their hands up, and shake profusely from fear that someone would hate them. You know like Teddy Kennedy after a hard night out on the town and he can’t find his car. The first thing he does is check all the local morgus for dead wemon, and then calls home.
Donna, why can’t you ever launch a coherent argument about anything, rather than invective?
Cougar – I want the Iraqis to win, and become a stable, free society. If that means that the Kurds become autonomous, fine. What the latest violence has shown is that there isn’t the huge divide between Sunnis and Shia that the media likes to play up. Iraq is not a particularly religious state, and so the sectarian stuff doesn’t play as well there. If the economy is moving, and people are gainfully employed, there is less energy to indulge in the insurgency.
The Iraqi police need to establish themselves as a law abiding force, that have the respect of the public. Once that happens, we can leave. It isn’t something that happens over night, but it is happening faster there than expected.
Janet, I examined your lies in the “Shield Laws” post @ 78
You may feel it unfair to be called a liar, so let me rephrase:
Janet, why do you post so much Bullshit?
Janet S. “The Iraqi police need to establish themselves as a law abiding force, that have the respect of the public. Once that happens, we can leave.”
It is not “we” Janet. You are safe and sound sitting on your fat ass, letting other people die for Bush’s disasterous foriegn policy.
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15
“Why is a party that has “sociali$m” in its name considered far right?”
Because it IS far right, dummy! Nazi ideology had all the following similarities with right wing movements everywhere, including the neocons:
1. Ultra-nationalism
2. Militarism
3. Bullying tactics
4. Uses sedition laws to suppress dissent
5. Supports use of torture, violence, and war
6. Racially exclusive
7. Caters to entrenched private capital
8. Relies on propaganda, lies, fear tactics, smear tactics, and demagoguery to sway public opinion
9. Anti-democratic; rigs or abolishes elections
16
What makes you think I’m one of the generous donors who paid for his lawsuit?*
* Note that I didn’t call it a silly-ass lawsuit. I have not commented on the merits of Stefan’s lawsuit against King County. Maybe it has merit, maybe not. All I can say is, I worked in government for three decades, and most bureaucrats simply don’t take the public disclosure laws seriously enough, and don’t understand the potential for financial penalties when they don’t.
The attorney general has hired a full-time attorney to work on public disclosure issues, and part of his duties include educating state agencies about the requirements of the law — and the consequences of not complying with them. Most of the state’s largest agencies are taking the PDA seriously, but the message has been slower to get to bureaucrats at county, city, school district, and port district levels. And perhaps the skulls at thicker at the lower levels.
Maybe Dean Logan and KCRE has complied with the law. Clearly, they’ve gone to extraordinary lengths to accomodate him. They’ve given him access to over 600,000 documents, and they assigned a staff member to work full-time on fulfilling his requests for six weeks, plus they gave him use of a room in a public building for several weeks — possibly at the expense of other citizens. In short, KCRE bent over backwards for Stefan. But that may not be good enough. If they were dilatory about providing even ONE public record, that’s all the grounds Stefan needs to sue.
However, awarding attorney fees and monetary penalties is at the judge’s discretion, and if the judge finds KCRE acted in good faith in trying to fulfill Stefan’s requests, it’s unlikely the court will award him any money.
Goldy:
Even though you’re probably not in any danger, I sure hope you have already forwarded this email on to the police and FBI.
15
Janet — we slime the right because the right deserves to be slimed. You guys lie. You smear political competitors. You evade debating issues and you’re intellectually dishonest. Many
of you are racists and bigots. You’re ultra-nationalists and militarists. You support war, torture, violence, and conquest. You’re for taking what belongs to others. In short, you’re bastards. You’re the very people who are the source of much misery, suffering, violence, death, and injustice in the world. Why shouldn’t we slime you?
All humans do not behave equally. There’s nothing to like about the beliefs or behavior of right wingers. You guys are scum. And you may be kidding yourselves that you’re Christians, but you can’t fool God — you’re all going to Hell for the evil lives you’ve lived.
Janet says @16
“BTW, the definition of fascism starts sounding a lot more like the anti-war crowd who would like to see Sadam returned to power, now that we are losing the civil war.”
Then say two hours later @21
“There isn’t a civil war happening in Iraq.”
Glad you caught yourself…ya might want to get your talking points straight first
Then she adds,
“There is an insurgency, being led by foreigners…..”
Even the Bushies have backed away from this BS
ChristmasGhost adds some wihful thinking
“there is no civil war in iraq. just the same tools blowing things up as before. do you have any idea how long it was before all that stopped in germany after we went in?”
I think it has become painfully obvious that Iraq is not post-war Germany (unless you have those rightwing blinders on)
From Wikipedia:
The German Nazis (“National Socialists”) used the word “socialist” in their official name, but most scholars argue that this was done purely for propaganda purposes and that they tended to adopt either a pro-worker or pro-business line depending on the given audience. The Nazis did demand some nationalization of big industries and land reform before their rise to power. However, once in power, they allowed (friendly) capitalists to thrive while liquidating socialists everywhere (including from within their own party in the Night of the Long Knives). Socialists reject the racialist theories and totalitarianism of the Nazis, while Nazis rejected the internationalism, egalitarianism and the class struggle policies pursued by many socialists.
Hayduke,
Tell me what it was like to boink Bonnie. (There’s nothing wrong with living vicariously every now and again.)
Goldy — Glad you held this up to appropriate ridicule without lowering yourself to “deceit, treachery, guile, cunning, dissimulation and chicanery”.
Well, maybe just a pinch of chicanery … but you’re entitled.
I think Goldy has more to worry about from the left wing posters on this site than the hapless nazis. The level of hate is far higher, and is now not even entertaining.
Enjoy yourselves, by yourselves – your methods of argument ensure that no one will be persuaded to your side, and many of those on your side will be put off.
The Rothschild’s ARE a great Jewish banking family, but I seriously doubt their ability to control world history. The people who really control history at this point are the ju-ju-be brain ” undecided ” voters in America.
Now THAT’S a scary thought!
Janet S. “your methods of argument ensure that no one will be persuaded to your side, and many of those on your side will be put off.”
Like people are not put off by your lying?
And if lying is your way of persuading people, Janet… well that is surely a NeoCon strategy, but it is also just plain evil.
ROGER RABBIT @2 TELL THE TRUTH YOU TOOK THAT PHOTO FROM YOUR WEDDING.NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOUR WIFW LOOKS LIKE.NO WONDER YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME ON THE COMPUTER.IF I WOKE UP WITH THAT ON MY ARM ID CHEW MY ARM OFF SO AS NOT TO WAKE HER UP.
ROGER AND SPEAKING OF BENDING OVER.FUCK YOU.LOOOOOOOOOOOSER.ARE YOU STILL SMELLING LITTLE GIRLS BIKE SEATS.GOD THAT PICTURE OF YOUR WIFE AT TWO IS SURE BUTT UGLY,SHE MUST BE ONE OF THE LEE SISTERS HOMELY,UGLY.UGLIE.WHICH ONE IS SHE.
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Jesus…the Chimp is at 37% in frickin’ INDIANA!!!!!
The rats are deserting the ship. Only HA’s trollfucks are hangin’ in there.
Just our of idle curiosity, who will the Democrats nominate in 2008 for Prez and Vice-Prez? Who will the Republicns nominate?
Whoa there, Ed. What are you trying to do, instigate real political conversation?
@ 50 I hate to go out on a limb here, but my geuss is:
The Democrats will nominate the next President and Vice President of the United States.
The Republicans will nominate a couple of losers.
It should be a good year for Democrats, but the pessimist in me knows we can find a way to fuck that up.
If the Republicans were smart, they would run somebody respectable like McCain. I imagine a lot of moderate Republican voters will have become moderate Democrats or independents by 2008, so they’ll probably run Frist.
The Democrats will nominate the next President and Vice President of the United States.
The Republicans will nominate a couple of losers.
Commentby Donnageddon— 3/6/06@ 3:38 pm
OK, so what are the names of the winners, and hat are the names of the losers?
Ed – don’t bother to ask a rational question to Donna. She/he isn’t capable of a complete thought, let alone an analysis of presidential politics.
I think there is a reasonable chance that the repubs will nominate McCain, maybe with Rice as VP. It would be a winning ticket. The dems will shoot themselves in the foot and nominate someone like Kerry or Clinton. Neither has an ear for politics. Either that, or the far left will get their way (bought and paid for) and put in someone totally out of the mainstream.
Feingold / Edwards vs. Frist / Pat Robertson
By the way, Edward, your question might get more visibility if you posted it in the more current open thread:
http://www.horsesass.org/index.php?p=1431
Janet S
You seem to always want to portray yourself as a voice of moderation and reason, like you’re somehow above the fray. From my humble viewpoint, however, you are more partisan than the average poster here. Of course, expecting a right-winger to have either objectivity or any accurate self-understanding is asking too much. With regard to your inquiry Mr. Murrow, I like Russ Feingold and Bill Richardson. Nice geographic balance, and Feingold’s vote against the war in Iraq really gives him credibility.
Klake @ 29, I am sure you are not old enough to have lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis, I am. The big thing in that part of our history was building ‘fallout shelters’. Everyone in our community (Olympia) did it. All of my relatives in Eastern Washington did it. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Didn’t think so. Just another voice without backup.
Janet @ 30 “The Iraqi police need to establish themselves as a law abiding force, that have the respect of the public. Once that happens, we can leave. It isn’t something that happens over night, but it is happening faster there than expected.” You can change Iraqi police to Republican Party and it fits perfectly in our country at the present time. It ain’t gonna happen Janet S!
Klake @ 29, I am sure you are not old enough to have lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis, I am. The big thing in that part of our history was building ‘fallout shelters’. Everyone in our community (Olympia) did it. All of my relatives in Eastern Washington did it. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Didn’t think so. Just another voice without backup.
Commentby Cougar— 3/6/06@ 5:10 pm
Yep Cougar I help my dad dig the holes and build those bomb shelters and made lots of money from all those poor folks. Funny we didn’t make one for ourselves really did need one. But that was in Portland, Oregon so we miss building yours.
Funny Klake, of all of the fallout shelters I know of, not one of them was ‘outsourced’ to any company. Each and every family did the work themselves. Oh, that’s right, you must be from one of the first wingnut families. Commandment #1 Thou shalt gouge thy neighbors.
Janet S., Who do you lie so much? You post bullshit URLs as evidence for your claims. But the URLs make no mention concerning your claims.
You want to be taken seriously, then back up you claims with real evidence.
But you can’t. Because your claims are lies.
You are just another NeoCon zombie.
How is making shit up working out for you, Janet?
Hmmm?
“Seattle would act like the French,they would walk around all day with their hands up, and shake profusely from fear that someone would hate them.”
I seem to remember a guy named Napoleon Bonaparte, who at one point took over nearly half of Europe.
“and MESA….there is no civil war in iraq. just the same tools blowing things up as before. ”
Anti-factual post of the day.
One realist’s civil war is another wingnut’s terrorist insurgency.
“If that means that the Kurds become autonomous, fine.”
Whoa—-WAIT A MINUTE! Do you realize what you’re saying? Explain to me the geographic realities of a Kurdish state. Do you really think it would stop at the borders of present-day Iraq? If it were to incorporate the greater Kurdish lands, do you think the Turks, Iranians, (etc.) would tolerate it? And if they did, what would then happen to the complex ethnic balance in northwestern Iran? Look at a map before making such a statement.
“Iraq is not a particularly religious state, and so the sectarian stuff doesn’t play as well there.”
Anti-factual statement # 2 of the day. Although you could assert that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a secular state, it would be completely incorrect even to characterize that secular state as “not particularly religious.”
“Not particularly religious” is not a phrase that really describes most of the Arab world.
dr.e………to be an actual [by definition] civil war…the combatants would all have to actually be from THE SAME COUNTRY.
what did you say your “doctorate” was in again?
because it certainly isn’t history or the english language…….
Voter Advocate: I suppose this person is a donk?
“If Bush wants to do a good thing, he’ll return Saddam to power so that he can run Iraq properly. Suzanne Goldberg-Smith”
“Saddam Hussein is a product of his times and he did the best he could with the cards he was dealt. He does not deserve the treatment he has been getting. He is truly the George Washington of Iraq. Suzanne Goldberg-Smith”
Yeah she may be a nobody, but there are more of her type on the Internet. Donks all of dem! Pun!
@54: You mean Bill Richardson and Joe Lieberman?
“dr.e………to be an actual [by definition] civil war…the combatants would all have to actually be from THE SAME COUNTRY.”
Seems to me by any reasonable standard that they are… unless you’re spending your days listening to the right-wing propaganda machine.
“because it certainly isn’t history or the english language…….”
I take it you have an advanced degree in either of the two. (Although most likely not the latter, based on your usage of english [sic].)
dr.e…..most of the “masterminds” are from jordan and other middle eastern countries.many of the combatants are from iran etc. even the MSM knows this. where have you been?
touche’ pussy cat, touche’ on the english comment. so do you want to get all proper on us now? heh heh heh
most of us write the way the average person speaks nowadays.my comment to you was based on your not knowing the definition of the term “civil war”.
and right wing propaganda machine???
oh come on…don’t be so theatrical for god’s sake. if it’s true it’s true…it doesn’t matter where it comes from.i take it you are a big fan of shooting the messenger?
XmasG is in full irony mode:
“to be an actual [by definition] civil war…the combatants would all have to actually be from THE SAME COUNTRY.”
Uhmmm, they are.
Then XmasG must have mislaid the “talking points memo” when she said
“most of the “masterminds†are from jordan and other middle eastern countries.many of the combatants are from iran etc.”
Uh.. then why did we invade Iraq?
Hmmm?
WHat a fucking mindless zombie is XmasG.
“your not knowing the definition of the term “civil war”.”
Yuk, yuk.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....-headlines
“and right wing propaganda machine???”
Fox News, plus the failure of the rest of the so-called MSM to challenge the daily stream of lies coming out of the White House fairy tale factory.
dr.e and donna………where have you two been? do you have absolutely no idea of what is really going on?
i guess so…….
now neither of you has any idea of the definition of irony but you practice it all the time.
now, that IS amusing.
DONNA….ummm…they’re not……from the same country that is. they “migrated” into iraq to cause trouble. do you really have this much trouble with the truth/common english?
and ,yes, that was rhetorical.
anyone who has been reading any of the drivel coming out of donna/headless lucy types knows that.
just heading you off at the pass here………
since you have so much trouble understanding what ‘irony’ is.
XmasG… “do you really have this much trouble with the truth/common english?”
No, it is more a trouble with swallowing the Bullshit you keep repeating.
You really fit the NeoCon mold to a “T”.
You just keep repeating the same lies, and expect that through repetition alone it will become truth.
The world just doesn’t work that way, XmasG.
donna…why don’t you specifically tell me what “the lie” i repeat is?
hmmmm?
i would love to see that…
but i think we all know that you can’t.
after all…anyone that is so childish as to use terms like “neo-con” are backward to say the least.
sticks and stones baby…that’s all you’ve got.
but i’m waiting for you to tell me THE LIE……
tick tock baby…we haven’t got all day here.
you do…but the rest of us don’t.
XmasG, the lie you keep repeating is that the fighting in Iraq is between non-Iraqi’s.
That, XmasG, is a lie, and you know it.
And XasG, I have to assume from your posts that you are 5 years old.
So you ignorance is understandeable.
Goldy, if you have a real e-mail address and links to various websites, you should be sure to forward that over to the folks at the Anti-Defamation League since they track stuff like this…
“dr.e and donna………where have you two been? do you have absolutely no idea of what is really going on?”
Tellya what, why don’t you turn of Faux News and ask your hubbie to translate this for you;
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/.....87,00.html
donna says……….
“And XasG, I have to assume from your posts that you are 5 years old.
So you ignorance is understandeable.”
****need i really say more????? god…too funny.******
and dr.e….i don’t generally watch fox news except for occasionally watching brit hume. but i take it you are a big fan?
i think the best way for anyone to get their news is from several sources…you should try that. and try to stay away from the obvious shills like der spiegel….cripes, i can’t believe you used that one.honey…step away from the red herrings for your own sake, will you? but thanks for the laugh. have you not heard the rumor that the germans aren’t exactly big fans of america? so, in the real world, smart people try to exclude the obvious ones like that. and before you go on some rant about them not liking us because of george bush…think again. remember, i have a german husband. they really hated clinton. they thought he was “trash”.
they were right too.
“obvious shills like der spiegel”
What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever read the magazine?
“i think the best way for anyone to get their news is from several sources…you should try that. ”
What would those be? I get mine from at least half a dozen sources on a daily basis, and have a read the foreign press regularly — in several languages.
“have you not heard the rumor that the germans aren’t exactly big fans of america? ”
To be frank, most of the world aren’t exactly fans of America anymore. If I understand your view correctly, one should only get news from sources friendly to the current administration. Is that true?
Jesus Christ, woman, your ignorance is massive and impenetrable.
BTW, it’s exactly this type of ignorance that keeps the ignoramus Bush on the throne.
dr.e….found religion have you?
your ignorance is truly frightening. number one, when you say extremely telling things like “I get mine from at least half a dozen sources on a daily basis, and have a read the foreign press regularly – in several languages.” and “To be frank, most of the world aren’t exactly fans of America anymore”
don’t you realize just how transparent you are? they were never fans of america except on a fair weather basis. where have you been?
you cannot run a country [or a business] on a popularity contest.you obviously have never been involved in running either. let me guess….prof. at evergreen with a Ph.D. in old english?
no wait…i got it. your “degree” is in poli-sci isn’t it?
88/9
I don’t really understand your comment… let’s see:
“you cannot run a country [or a business] on a popularity contest.”
What do you advocate? A to-hell-with-diplomacy, bombs-away foreign policy?
and:
“you obviously have never been involved in running either.”
You mean like a marathon? You’re right, I don’t run marathons.
Incidentally, do you have a “degree”, and if so what kind?
dr.e…so sue me …i left out a word. i meant to say “you have never been involved in running one”…as in a business. i assume i don’t have to ask you that about a country.
no, i do not advocate a ‘to hell with diplomacy’ policy. i want real diplomacy. not the chamberlain kind.
however…if the diplomacy fails…you bet …BOMBS AWAY. i am a firm believer in security through strength…especially when dealing with islamofascists. guess who said this:
“”How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property — either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”
any guesses?
no degree. i don’t need one to be an artist. artists with degrees are called failures in my line of work.LOL [professors]
but i am surrounded by Ph.D’s…….
now, guess without googling [that would be cheating]