During his September 26 broadcast Rush Limbaugh described service members who advocate for a US withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers,” prompting anti-war veteran Jon Soltz to challenge Limbaugh to have him on his show and say it to his face.
My challenge to you, then, is to have me on the show and say all of this again, right to the face of someone who served in Iraq. I’ll come on any day, any time. Not only will I once again explain why your comments were so wrong, but I will completely school you on why your refusal to seek a way out of Iraq is only aiding al Qaeda and crippling American security.
Is Limbaugh man enough to meet Soltz’s challenge? Nah… he’s a big old coward. But why not call his show at 800-282-2882 between 9AM and Noon PST and ask him anyway?
Goldy,
I have sent my son a link to your post. As a prior service Army Ranger (there are no ex or former Rangers) he has the same view as Jon Soltz. He was there and he knows how full of shit the conservative media is. Lush Flimbaugh is a bombastic fool with a shtick that has made him very wealthy, but has done nothing for his level of understanding and intelligence.
Perhaps a group of military members, active and inactive, to gather at his studio to protest would make the point. To call him out and to hold him up to review in the light of day. As Jon has invited him, lets see if he can muster the courage to repeat those words of ignorance to any one of their faces.
Jon ends his open letter to Flimbaugh in the Huffington Post with:
Ball’s in your court.
Problematic: Rush has no balls.
Phony soldier? Oh, you meen like this one here
http://archives.seattletimes.n wsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/ web/vortex/display?slug=macbet h22m&date=20070922&query=Tacom a+anti+war+rally
Wait, you mean fake like this
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....+war+rally
How come all the fake soldiers are all liberal anti war demonstrators? Just wondering. hehehehe
Hmm… Markos Moulitsas (Kos of dailykos.com) grew up in a war torn country and served in the army and Rush didn’t. Kinda makes you wonder.
Markos Moulitsas was born on September 11, 1971, in Chicago, IL. The son of a Salvadoran mother and Greek father, Moulitsas spent his formative years in El Salvador (1976-1980), where he saw first-hand the ravages of civil war. His family fled threats on their lives by the communist guerillas and settled in the Chicago area.
After high school, Moulitsas served in the U.S. Army (1989-92) as a 13P — Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) Fire Direction Specialist. He trained at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma and served the remainder of his three-year enlistment in Bamberg, Germany. While he entered the Army as a Republican, he abandoned the GOP soon after his enlistment.
Ha…if any of you think you’ve got a hope in hell of getting through Rush’s call screeners, I’d like to try some of whatever you’re smoking.
ArtFart @ 7:
Ha…if any of you think you’ve got a hope in hell of getting through Rush’s call screeners, I’d like to try some of whatever you’re smoking.
I don’t smoke, but what’s on offer simulates polio for a six-hour period. You’re welcome to it if you like.
The problem is not getting through Rush’s human screeners. I mean, how hard is it to demonstrate adoring sycophancy to His Rushness on the phone? (difficulty: no giggling, additional difficulty: phone caller IDs to 604).
The harder part is wiggling past the inevitable 20-second tape loop. Once you stop being adulatory and adorable, your connection will develop “technical difficulties”
“Hello.. Hello??? I’m sorry. We just lost our caller friends, and good luck upgrading the phones in Canada to 19th Century standards caller!”
Dan Rather @ 4:
You know, for someone who identifies himself daily as a famous personality he certainly is not to post a story about a homless guy falsifying his bona fides is taking irony to previously unknown heights.
I would like to fix the typo in Goldy’s title:
Rush Limbaugh IS a coward.
I knew something was wrong. Now I can sleep.
The Right ARE cowards, not just Lush Limpdick. Why else would they bluster as they do, then hide when their targets fight back?
As for Limpdick, I think Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart should sue him for defamation of character. Copyright infringement would be a bit much, though.
If only America would lose interest in this sideshow and have a real debate about consequences of not prevailing in Iraq. Lay your political preferences aside, people. There’s much more at stake that most of you think.
Excuse me
“There’s much more at stake that most of you think.”
Correction: …THAN most of you think.
#13 You are right. Lots, and lots, and lots, and lots of innocent people are going to die no matter what we do.
I think that this was Bush’s plan all along. The longer the war the more $$$$$ for his friends, and cover for the GOP to hide their crimes. $192 BILLION MORE!!!! Wahooooooo!!!
No one could possibly mismanage a war this badly by accident. Especially when the State Dept. had been working on a plan to rebuild Iraq the right way for 20 years, and every single step was ignored.
Thank your Mr. Bush, and the lap dog MSM for bringing us this wonderful war. War is so cool! “Shock and Awe” “Bring em on” “Mission Accomplished” “Operation Abu Gharib” “Operation Dead Civilians”
Corpses, corpses, and more corpses, yippee!!!!!
I love DEATH!!!!! Millions of rotting corpses!!!!!! Thank you Preznit Bush!!!!!
I am still waiting for my share of the candy, and flowers we were to be greeted with…….
Anyone calling themselves a Republicon these days (and there aren’t that many any more) should be forced to enlist. We can parachute drop them into Falluja with an M-16, a flack jacket, and a sheet of GOP Rovian talking points to impress the people that live there. They can Karen Hughes them for America!
And where is that so called “liberal media?” Where is the two weeks of coverage over Limbaugh insulting soldiers?
#12 — Prevailing over whom or what? We can have that debate as soon as that question is honestly answered by the Straussian fanatics who got us into this war.
If there is a good reason (or several, then lay it out.
Fact: right on the mark! These faux news, limbaugh-addled wingnuts are DEATH LOVERS! They sit from their armchairs and chortle as the mounds of bodies grow higher and higher.
As long as its not them or anyone close to them.
Fortunately they are marching themselves to the political grave and I hope we can keep them there indefinitely.
We must never forget their reign of corruption and fear.
My biggest fear is that they will engineer another terrorist incident before the 2008 elections. This is not some crazy ‘conspiracy theorist’ projection. It is something that Zbigniew Brzezinski,former National Security Advisor, has warned of.
I think that the moves to discredit such private armies as ‘Blackwater’ are moves to prevent this easily predictable strategy.
Fall, 2008 — Our military is broken and the Blackwater is strong.
Wake up!
A small correction: Rush is on from 9-12 this morning PDT.
Truth Teller @19,
Oops. Fixed it. Shows you how much I listen to our “sister station” KTTH. (Honestly, if I’m listening to talk during that time slot, some of my prime writing hours, I’m sure as hell not tuned in to Radio Pravda.)
What was the strongest military presence in New Orleans?
BLACKWATER…
And they weren’t there to help people. They were there to protect property. Who sent them there? Why were they better equipped than the National Guard?
Where will the National Guard be in Fall, 2008?
Food for thought.
Goldy,
I don’t listen to Rush much, but I’ll tune him in sometimes after a big event (like the 2006 election). It can be entertaining. I am more of a moderate than a progressive, so I can probably stomach it more than you can in any case :).
– TT
And an even tinier, quite ignorable, correction: despite the 40-something degree weather forcast, and snow levels dropping to 3500 feet, and it being dark at 7 PM, it is still PDT right now. PST doesn’t start until November. :)
I guess for Limbaugh, Coulter, et al. attacking the likes of Bill Clinton can only get you so far in the late 00s. With credibility long exhausted, you have to make statements outrageous even to true believers to keep your name viable. It’s a dead-ender strategy.
BTW, not surprising that most of the usual HA trolls are taking a holiday from this thread. (Rest well, Lee.)
As an 8 year veteran of Navy Intelligence who served in the middle east during the Reagan and Bush administrations I was often at odds with the administrations policies at the time. However I never let my disagreement with political policy get in the way of doing my job the best that I could, because I knew that people’s lives depended on the information I provided. Service members always want to feel that what they are doing is positive for our country and the people we’re charged with protecting. This is especially true when the risk of injury or death is a very real possibility. It’s extremely hard to come to the realization that you’re risking your life for nothing, or worse, that what you’re doing may be doing more harm than good. When service members begin to openly criticize the administration, and flatly state that lives are being wasted, you know that moral has hit rock bottom. We all want to be proud of our sacrifices, knowing that it was for a good cause. It’s a sad state right now, and our military will take a decade or more to heal back to the proud professional fighting force that it was when George Bush took office. My heart breaks for every service member who dies, is wounded, or has to watch his or her mates be killed or maimed. Rush Limbaugh and those like him have no idea what that’s like. They are cowards and we all know it.
Eric Pravitz
IS1 USN (1982-1990)
Why are Senate Republicans not moving for a censure of Rush Limbaugh for dissing the troops? Calling a soldier in the field a phony soldier is certainly worse than anything MoveOn.org did, yet I hear not a peep from Mitch McConnell.
See a pithy tongue-in-cheek graphic which asks the viewer to identify the “phony”…but be sure you don’t “Rush” to judgment. Link here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
Answer: Yes.
Dan Rather’s #4, above, got this exactly right … the first good call of Rather’s long shabby career. Rush was referring specifically to Tacoma’s own Jesse MacBeth, the phony soldier Rather cites. Commercial jsa wants to blow this off as a poor homeless guy being picked on and piled on, but MacBeth was riding your left-wing gravy train after he bounced out of boot camp.
As for the problem of the plural, soldiers, Rush was reminding you pansies that many of John Kerry’s whiny winter soldiers in 1970 and 1971 were phony soldiers who, like MacBeth recently, were getting stroked by the Left for falsely accusing real soldiers of atrocities.
Not a Rush fan but the left is always phenominally pissy when one of their mouth pieces is taken out of context for political expediency by the right. So in light of that … the transcript:
RUSH ARCHIVE: It’s not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it’s not. And what’s really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: The phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they’re proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they’re willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
RUSH: It’s frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a “corporal.” I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn’t his Purple Heart; it wasn’t his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: “We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque.”
Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn’t an Army Ranger, never was. He isn’t a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven’t even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven’t heard much about it. This doesn’t fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don’t look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth’s lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can’t find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
A reminder…I have two active duty military sons, one an army staff sergeant, the other a Marine lance corporal. The staff sergeant is an Iraq War vet with added service in Afghanistan and Kuwait. He’s currently stationed in Germany.
The lance coporal is on Okinawa.
The staff sergeant is no particular fan of the war; no soldier, from the lowliest buck private to Gen. Petraeus, is a fan of the war. But he’s a fan of blowhards like the caller to Rush’s show even less.
To all the complainers and whiners and “support the troops by expressing our lack of confidence in them and by pulling out the rug from under them” types, he generally says, “Shut the….up; you people are morons!”
That’s what he says, those aren’t my words.
His little brother, the Marine, isn’t quite as genteel; Marines tend to be saltier in their speech.
You can oppose the war all you like on policy grounds, and engage in debate until your vocal chords shred themselves. But to many of the active duty soldiers and Marines carrying the load, the caller and someone like Jon Soltz do strike them as pretty hollow…and worse.
It’s disingenuous in the extreme to use MediaMatters.org and the Huffington Post links to buttress an already left-leaning post. Objectivity? Lack of an agenda? Don’t make me laugh. At least Rush makes no bones about his POV.
@18…SC…
“My biggest fear is that they will engineer another terrorist incident before the 2008 elections. This is not some crazy ‘conspiracy theorist’ projection. It is something that Zbigniew Brzezinski,former National Security Advisor, has warned of.”
I assume the “they” of whom you speak are the so-called “Straussian fanatics” mentioned in your post immediately preceding @18?
Where exactly did Brzezinski accuse anyone, especially any current or former government official, of “engineering” a terrorist incident? That’s charging someone with complicity in the deaths of Americans or at least the destruction of property. Are you saying that you have proof that “Straussian fanatics” deliberately, intentionally, and by way of a conspiracy engaged in acts of terrorism against America or American interests and then sought to place the blame elsewhere?
Prove it.
Again…you’re all free to oppose the war; it’s a free country, and my sons put their lives on the line to keep it that way. They even put their lives on the line so that some among you have the freedom to then turn around and insult their efforts, their service, their fellows, and their leaders.
They believe in your right to speak your mind even though when you do…it makes them sick to their stomachs.
But they’re just a soldier and a Marine, so what do they know, right?
The Piper
I should have said it would also be obvious that one (if not more) of the contributors to this blog would jump on the bandwagon without finding out the facts.
What’s even funnier is the prediction in the rest of the article that I cut and pasted the full quote out of basically saying that this would happen all over. Not only that but that when it was found out that the quote was truly out of context (not like Bill O’reilly out of context) nobody would actually correct themselves as vocally as they attacked.
@29
If your posting the transcript as proof of something, please post the entire transcript, not the edited portion that Rush later posted.
Don’t forget, Rush “Oxy” Limbaugh is just another chickenhawk. He got of serving in Vietnam because of a boil on his very ample ass.
(SJ News Washington, DC April 1, 2008)
Secretary Gage today announced the WAS (Willing for Alternative Service) program for those patriots who have never previously served in the military. WAS volunteers, up to age 75, can either sign up or, for 50,000 years bring a needy Mexican into the US Military where she or he can earn US citizenship.
WAS soldiers will recieve full military honors for their courage,
Piper at too many to mention:
Observation: Piper is female.
As for your two sons, let me counter.
My son a graduate of AIT, Airborne School, R.I.P and Ranger School. White thread is used to sew his Ranger tabs on. He is, alongside my father, the toughest, strongest and most honorable man I know. He spent more “tours” in Iraq and Afghanistan than both of your sons combined. (This does not make him better man or soldier, this makes him more informed and experienced in the attitude and ideals of his fellow soldiers).
His view, and the view of other Rangers I have spoken with, is this. The governent won’t let the military do their job. They will not allow them to finish and leave. They are well trained to do two things. Seek out the enemy, destroy the enemy( and by destroy I mean kill). Most of the soldiers in Iraq, he says it is now an overwhelming majority, believe it is time to leave. Being in the middle of a civil war is a deadly proposition. There is no way out except to leave. It is a sin, his words, to send good men to die for a bad decision.
When the argument of cut and run is thrown in his face, his response is always the same. You have not been there, you don’t know. Watch your friend die, see dead children killed by a suicide bomber. Enlist, serve and then lets talk.
I agree.
I hate that my son is forever changed by his experience in war. His father, and his father’s father, also suffered the awful memories that war brings. So you see, I am not speaking about what I have read, heard or believe. I am speaking from experience. Not talking out of my ass.
You wax poetic, Piper, but your words lack the emotion of true conviction and understanding. I disagree with you, but you have the right to your opinion.
No matter how wrong you are.
MLF
And let me state for the record: Should I ever cross Mr. Limbaugh in public the 30 days in jail will be punch well spent. I don’t tolerate fools very well. Cowardly fools even less.
Where is John Barreli when you need him?
Milo here is what I found:
RUSH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hi, Rush, how you doing today?
RUSH: Fine, sir, thank you.
CALLER: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and that there’s actually no Republicans that can possibly be against the war?
RUSH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don’t want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can’t think of who the Republicans are in the anti-war movement.
CALLER: I’m not talking about the senators. I’m talking about the general public. You accuse the public and all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose —
RUSH: Oh, come on, here we go again. I utter the truth, and you can’t handle it so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I’m not also hitting Republicans? I don’t know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.
CALLER: Well, I am a Republican, and I listened to you for a long time, and you’re right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don’t think it’s winnable. I’m not a Democrat, but sometimes you gotta cut the losses. I mean, sometimes you really got to admit you’re wrong.
RUSH: Well, yeah, you do. I’m not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, getting out of there, waving the white flag.
CALLER: I’m not saying that, I’m not saying anything like that.
RUSH: Of course you are.
CALLER: No, I’m not!
RUSH: The truth is the truth, Mike.
CALLER: We did what we were supposed to do, okay, we got rid of Saddam Hussein; we got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country now. Let’s get out of there and let’s be done with it. We won it.
RUSH: I’m never going to be able to retire. It’s not going to work. You are depressing me.
CALLER: Well, sometimes, like you said, the truth hurts, Rush. Sometimes it hurts.
RUSH: I have explained this so many times. I can’t believe that you actually listen to this program a lot, because you’ve heard me say what I’m going to say to you. War is never “plottable” on a piece of paper or on a map. It never goes exactly as anybody thinks it’s going to go because nobody can predict the future, for one thing.
CALLER: That’s true.
RUSH: Thank you. So what’s happening now is that the very enemy that blew us up on 9/11 is facing us in Iraq. We can’t cave in defeat and run out of there and say, “Hey guess what, we won, we got Saddam.” We are going to be setting ourselves up for future disasters. We will never be able to have any other nation trust us as an ally when we have to go in there again. If we pull out of there before we take care of this, Mike, we’re just going to have to do it sometime later at greater cost.
CALLER: Are we ever going to take care of it, though? How long do you think we’re going to have to be there to take care of it?
RUSH: Mike, you can’t possibly be a Republican.
CALLER: I am.
RUSH: You can’t be Republican.
CALLER: Oh, I am definitely Republican.
RUSH: You sound just like a Democrat.
CALLER: No, but seriously, Rush, how long do we have to stay there?
RUSH: As long as it takes.
CALLER: How long?
RUSH: As long as it takes. It is very serious. This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. Just like your job, you do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.
CALLER: So then you say we need to stay there forever?
RUSH: No, Bill — (Laughing) or Mike. I’m sorry. I’m confusing you with the guy from Texas.
CALLER: I used to be military, okay, and I am a Republican.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: And I do listen to you, but —
RUSH: Right, I know. And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon.
CALLER: How long do we have to stay there?
RUSH: You’re not listening to what I say. You can’t possibly be a Republican. I’m answering every question; it’s not what you want to hear, and so it’s not even penetrating your little wall of armor you’ve got built up. I said we stay to get the job done, as long as it takes. I didn’t say forever. Nothing takes forever. That’s not possible, Bill. Mike. Whatever. Nobody lives forever, no situation lasts forever, everything ends. We determine how do we want it to end, in our favor or in our defeat? With people like you in charge, who want to put a timeline on everything — do you ever get anything done in your life? Or do you say, “Well, I wanted to have this done by now, and it’s not, so screw it”? You don’t live your life that way. Well, hell, you might, I don’t know. But the limitations that you want to impose here are senseless, and they, frankly, portray no evidence that you are a Republican.
Another Mike. This one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Thanks for taking my call.
RUSH: You bet.
CALLER: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am serving in the American military, in the Army. I’ve been serving for 14 years, very proudly.
RUSH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER: I’m one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I’m proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, what these people don’t understand, is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is not possible because of all the stuff that’s over there, it would take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse and we’d have to go right back over there within a year or so.
RUSH: There’s a lot more than that that they don’t understand. The next guy that calls here I’m going to ask them, “What is the imperative of pulling out? What’s in it for the United States to pull out?” I don’t think they have an answer for that other than, “When’s he going to bring the troops home? Keep the troops safe,” whatever.
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: It’s not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it’s not. And what’s really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they’re proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they’re willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
CALLER: A lot of people.
RUSH: You know where you’re going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you’re going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.
CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn’t find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I’ve done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they’re using in their IEDs. They’re using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn’t know what they were using, they didn’t do it right, and so it didn’t really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It’s a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we’re never going to find it.
RUSH: Well, that’s a moot point for me right now.
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We’re there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that’s moot. What’s more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It’s frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a “corporal.” I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn’t his Purple Heart; it wasn’t his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: “We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque.”
Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn’t an Army Ranger, never was. He isn’t a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven’t even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven’t heard much about it. This doesn’t fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don’t look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth’s lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can’t find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
Now seeing the transcript which is can be verified on Lexis-Nexis, what is your opinion of his commebtary of Jesse MacBeth.
Hey Carl with many left feet: Jesse claimed to be an army ranger. Someone at Pepper Spray Productions should have asked what thread is used on his uniform. Maybe they wouldn’t have been em-bare-assed when the truth came out. Carl ask your former Army Ranger buddy what does he think of Jesse Macbeth – phony soldier.
Puddy,
The white thread is indicative of completing Ranger School in the winter. You don’t get to choose when the school takes you. The winter weather is recognized as an additional hurdle. My son is afraid of nothing. Except cold. The stories he tells about being cold would, pardon the pun, would just chill you.
Winter weather does make it easier for the instructors to stress the soldiers to their absolute limit.
Carl: I asked what would he think of Jesse Macbeth? You skirted that one.
But Carl another issue:
Asked about what he could do about “inner-city kids partaking in violence” at the MTV/MySpace Forum yesterday, Democratic candidate John Edwards offered an apocalyptic prediction for young black males:
“Edwards: ‘Pretty Soon We’re Not Going to Have a Young African-American Male Population in America.’
“We cannot build enough prisons to solve this problem. And the idea that we can keep incarcerating and keep incarcerating — pretty soon we’re not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They’re all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two.”
Between 1990 and 2006, The number black inmates increased at a slower pace than the number of white and latino jail inmates increased.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrace.htm
@36…MLF…
I both respect and honor the service of your son, your father, and yours. Thank you for the sacrifice and patriotism of your family.
We agree on more than you know.
To set the record straight…I’m a father.
My son, the staff sergeant, is also a graduate of Airborne School, though not of Ranger School.
I completely understand and share the frustration your son feels about not being able to get the job done. The staff sergeant has related similar concerns; soldiers hate like Hell having their hands tied especially when dealing with an enemy that’s not readily identifiable.
One of my central tenants has always been to let the soldiers and Marines ACTUALLY DO what it is they do best, then bring them home.
One of my huge beefs, though, is the constant drip, drip, drip of too many who have no investment in this that the soldiers and Marines in the field either can’t do the job or are losers, war criminals, all on the level of the criminals who abused prisoners at Abu Ghraib or committed other crimes, etc.
My passion and conviction are at the core of my being; I love my sons, honor their service and that of their comrades (inluduing your son), and I want them to succeed!
I also believe that many of the war’s critics don’t share this sentiment; there are many out there rooting not for success for our boys, but failure.
We can respectfully disagree on policy, strategy, the wisdom of the war, and other things, but your words convince me that we both agree that our boys deserve the best…top to bottom, they deserve the best!
The Piper
Piper at 45:
I agree, they deserve the best. Too many are lacking body armor. Vehicles are not properly protected. A plan was not firmly in place. War is not something to be done on the fly. You plan, you mobilize, you execute.
Unfortunately this president only mobilized. The defense secretary was incompetent. The situation has degraded to the point of no return. There are generals, seasoned war hardened generals who disagree with this president. He is choosing military leaders based on their ability to bend over and do his bidding. He is quickly running out of these pliable men, soon no one will be left to run the asylum. When upper management walks away from executive management, well, that is troublesome.
America is mired in a war, propagated by a president who is stubborn, fearful and worried about his legacy. He has nothing to worry about. He will have no legacy. Only the distinction of being the worst president. Ever. Jimmy Carter, as unbelievable as it may seem, has moved up several steps ahead of GWB.
Puddy: I don’t get myself worked up about what a phony soldier said or did. When I run into one I have no problem putting him in his place. My son is even more adamant about it than I. Old age, I suppose, has enabled me to walk away more often than I used to. He is still young and the heart of a soldier still beats very strongly in him. Sorry to disappoint you.
As for Edwards comments, let me find them and see what the context truly is. I am sure it can’t be any worse than what Bill O said about the black owned restaurant.
Wow: I post the real Real Rush commentary in #39, and there is no retort from the NorthWest Division of Lunatic Donk Moby Troll Moonbat!s?
Kind of makes it known this Jon Soltz is an idiot, along with Kurse, Media Moe-rons, etc.; the whole host of losers who posted garbage. Too bad the HeadASS didn’t do his own research (not the first time) and looked up what was said on the show.
Puddy at 47:
Rush said it, he is back tracking on his show faster than MTR welching on a bet.
Carl: Since I listen to his show, where did he backtrack?
Please post the written transcript like I did in #39
“…what is your opinion of his commebtary [sic] of Jesse MacBeth.
Even Limbaugh admits that Jesse MacBeth served in the Army longer than Limbaugh himself did.
“Where is John Barreli when you need him?”
Answer: Taken out by me. Caught him in so many fallacies of logic and misconscrewsions of fact that he hasn’t been back.
Why in the hell hasn’t this pussyassed, fatmouthed, piece of shit coward be assassinated yet? Is the a kitty I can donate to? This coward is so pathetic so cowardly and so hypocritical it is beyond me how anyone can listen to his fat ass much less support his fucking un-American advertisers.
This just defines America today, 50% cowards and pussies.
I would love to be in a boxing ring with no gloves for a 20 round fight with me against Limbaugh, Hannity, Bill O’ Coward and Ann Coulter. Would I hit a female? Did I even mention a female?
Anyway the REAL American pussy cowards are those who watch and or listen to the above pieces of shit. Sean Hannity is the biggest pussy of em all. I would like a shot at this pussy assed coward in a ring for a mere 3 minutes, it would be plenty of time to knock the teeth out of a real American pussy hypocrite coward.