I don’t think it is. I mean we’re a secular country. So our laws don’t reflect one doctrine or one religion over another. And Christians who oppose letting anyone getting married clearly aren’t the oppressed minority they seem to think they are.
Still, it’s nice to see the push back from the Christian community beyond just a live and let live attitude. Joel Connelly has an interesting piece on the Minnesota anti-marriage equality constitutional amendment. After noting the official Catholic Church position, he talks about Catholics who oppose the amendment:
Three retired priests recently sent a letter to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune under the heading, “Catholics of Minnesota, you have a choice. There is not just one way for Catholics to vote in November.”
Rev. Tom Garvey, a priest for 55 years, spoke to Minnesota Public Radio about Nienstedt’s edict, saying: “That was a terrible thing, such an injustice to say you cannot disagree with me on this matter.”
And in other religions, the officialdom is getting on the right side of history.
Five synods of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ECLA) have voted to oppose it. The United Methodist Church in Minnesota has come out against it.
The proposed amendment “would prevent one group of committed couples and their families from pursuing ordinary legislative or legal means to gain the support and protections afforded to all others,” said a resolution passed by the Minneapolis Synod of the ECLA.
Nice post. Thanks.
Here is what Scripture says ok? This is not about me or my beliefs. The core question posed by carl is about whether homosexuality is sinful or not. Obviously if homosexuality is a sin, gay marriage would certainly not be condoned. Frankly, I don’t care about a few personal “feelings” of Liberal priests or pastors. It’s about Scripture.
Here you go–
I’m not going to argue with non-believers.I would like an explanation however from a believer who rejects this Scripture. The Bible is NOT a smorgasboard to pick and choose. It seems mighty clear. You may not like it. That’s another issue.
But is homosexuality Christian? Is Gay marriage Christian? absolutely not according to Scripture.
Here is a very well written and well documented article addressing sexual immorality and homosexuality from a Biblical perspective. Again, it’s not about feelings, it’s about clear Scripture that was written 2000-3000 years ago. If you are a non-believer, it is not worth arguing because I did not write the Scripture. I believe in an all-powerful, mighty God who provided us a roadmap. It’s your choice to agree or disagree. But it doesn’t work to pick & choose. God is clear. And if you are honest enough to say you are a non-believer,,,,,end of discussion because I did not write this. Period.
I encourage you to at least read this
http://bible.org/article/homos.....erspective
Thank you carl for raising the issue.
LET THE STONINGS BEGIN!!!!
Really?
You are living by all the dictates of ‘scripture’?
Stonings, slavery? Cloths of multiple fibers? Kosher?
Have you sold all your belongings and followed Him?
Spare me your sanctimony.
Which is precisely why it is not relevant to a modern society.
Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.
Like New Orleans….
@2 What gives you the right to force strangers to live according to Scripture?
I still don’t understand how two gays in Boston getting married undermines my marriage to Mrs. Rabbit in Seattle. Can any of you homophobes explain that to me?
@2 Btw, as long as we’re discussing sin, what does Scripture say about waterboarding? Is that a sin, yes or no?
Carl ..
How is it that you Christians seem free to decide what is and is not “christian” in such a cnvenient manner.
Slavery was Christian, now it is not?
Castration of males was ver4y christian, now it is not?
The pope was not, then was infallible? Oh, but a core belief like infallibility ought not to interfere with Catholic identity?
Women = property was a core Christian vlaue, is it still that?
If your idea of Christianity is so utterly mutable, why does WWJD? mean?
It seems to me that NOT being christian makes it a lot easier to take consistent moral stands! That is why for me the J in WWJD? stands for Jefferson.
8. Roger Rabbit spews:
The question was is opposing Homosexual marriage Christian? Right? It’s not about “forcing” strangers to live according to Scripture. God revealed His Son, Jesus Christ, thru Scripture. Can you find anywhere where is says homosexual relationships are Christian? I merely pointed to specific Scripture where clearly is says it isn’t.
All of you non-believers intentionally confuse the Law & Historical Record of the Old Testament with the New Testament message of Grace & Faith. And then you try to be funny or obnoxious. The Truth IS The Truth. This is the Truth according to God’s Word. Go ahead and live your lives like many of those in the Bible who defied God’s word. Go ahead and laugh..yuck it up.
6. Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:
So your conclusion and what you worship is the man created, world centered religion. Fine. You worship your own belief system. Therefore you are your God. Fine.
I’d rather live my life according to God’s Law that some fools “feelings” like Liberal Scientist. I call the Religion of Liberal Scientist sinking sand. I’ll bet my eternal life on Christ the Solid Rock.
So what happens may I ask, if you non-believers are wrong??
11. SJ ???? spews:
Good question. It is not about convenience. It is about discerning God’s Will thru Scripture
Deuteronomy 29:29
New International Version (NIV)
God reveals just enough for us to get by in this world. Accept it or reject it. But the choice has consequences.
Slavery happened…but it was never OK. There was a historical record of it happening. Did Christ ever have slaves or condone it??
Show me where in the New Testament that happened SJ?
See the problem with non-believers is they are clearly ignorant & lazy about Scripture. They hurl insults and assumptions and emotion, but never back it up with references IN CONTEXT. Your arguments are weak, then you devolve into hurling insults & mocking.
Try hard.
Get educated.
Ask questions.
Read what Scholars have written over the past 30 Centuries or so.
Isn’t it amazing how you have evolved and how stupid most everyone before you seems to be.
Arrogance, spiritual laziness and ignorance yield eternal death.
@10
Is waterboarding torture thus a sin?
Ahh, this question has been asked many times.
Let me respond by asking you this–
If you are a critic of waterboarding, please directly articulate your theology which seems to be that thousands of innocents should die anguishing deaths before one terrorist must endure even a few moments of simulated drowning. I want to make sure I understand your argument Roger Rabbit. Is that it?
Look, this specific question has been asked, answered and debated endlessly the past 4 years or so. My answer is I don’t know if it is or isn’t. Not everything is black and white. This is one of them.
Sj says
Ahh, so you do worship a God after all. You admit worshipping Thomas Jefferson. Interesting.
God==Thomas Jefferson + SJ’s feelings
Ummmm, not a Solid Rock, is it?
Thomas Jefferson not a solid rock but the melange of letters, miscellaneous from Paul, and weirder Revelations assembled by the Roman state is???
Lets see, has any society you admire been run under a document as consistent as the US constitution????
You pick one …..The Vatican? The Baptist Church? the Pilgrims???
Seems to me that Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, and Adams .. all atheists by your terms, using the force of human reason, came up with a better rock than you guys find in the residue of Constantine’s Imperialism.
As for Jesus and slavery, yes he condoned it … his followers had slaves. He alos preached compliancw with the laws of Rome .. the same laws that made slaves out of war captives. Enslavement under your biblical laws was THE law in the West until the 1800s. Did the bible change or did thinkers, including those who re-“thunk” the bible … change their minds about what God wanted?
Thomas Jefferson not a solid rock but the melange of letters, miscellaneous from Paul, and weirder Revelations assembled by the Roman state is???
Lets see, has any society you admire been run under a document as consistent as the US constitution????
You pick one …..The Vatican? The Baptist Church? the Pilgrims???
Seems to me that Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, and Adams .. all atheists by your terms, using the force of human reason, came up with a better rock than you guys find in the residue of Constantine’s Imperialism.
Ass for Jesus and slavery, yes he condoned it … his followers had slaves and enslavement
under your biblical laws was THE law in the West until the 1800s. Did the bible change or did thinkers, including those who re “thunk” the bible … change their minds about what God wanted?
As for worshipping any God or making Jefferfson take that role, mayhap you and I do not have the same idea about what your “God” is?
AFIK, Tom is dead. While we are lucky enugh to be able to read some of what the an wrote, I think your idea that anybody would pray to him … outside of an untreated mental patient .. is weird.
On the other hand, I am quite certain that when I read Tom’s words I am reading his words. I have alot more trouble figgerin out who wrote the stuff in your bible. Was your Jesus so less powerful then Jefferson that this son of a god could not leave us a manuscript or two?
Um, you started out with Leviticus, and followed with Kings.
And you demanded…
So…any questions about your adherence to all the whacky stuff in there – slavery, Kosher laws, temple offerings, role of women, precise mix of fibers in your clothes – ALL OD IT – is perfectly relevant, and gets at exposing your bigotry.
You also present excerpts from Pauline epistles.
Please show us what Jesus said* about homosexuality.
*(Or what is quoted as Jesus’ words in your book)
Bonus Question, Mr. Scripture.
Please show us Jesus’ words regarding abortion.
Contraception?
Gun ownership?
Ok, Ok, how about this: Show us Jesus words regarding dictates about dealing with poor people.
Nothing!
John 10:30 Jesus says “I and My Father are one.”! Therefore what was said in the Old Testament especially the Pentateuch (Torah) He agrees with!
Oh, puddles – you’re one of these Bible-thumpers – could you show me what your Jesus is quoted as saying about homesexuality?
Non sequitors Lib da Schmuck.
What did Jesus say about calling your political enemy a Nazi? Fascist? – Thou shalt not Lie! How do I know.? He was there when the 10 Commandments were delivered to Moses.
John 1:1-3: ” In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. [darkness – libtards hating Jesus – PuddyEmphasis] 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. [Something lost on Bible hating libtards – PuddyEmphasis] 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! 37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. 40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother. 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. 43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. 44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. 45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.”
And HA leftist idiots like Lib da schmuck reject Him. Wait for it… another entry from the crazed databaze will the forthcoming… Pavlov calls it.
@24 Lib da schmuck,
You are a moron. Reread post #23! Then digest post #25.
you non-believers seem incapable of truly understanding or wanting to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ. But if there is hope for me the sinner, there is certainly hope for you.
Jesus tells a woman who had just been caught in adultery and spared from being stoned to go and sin no more. We have received that selfsame salvation, shouldn’t we do the same?
John 8:10-11 (KJV)
He does not tell the women her sin is ok. Homosexuality is far from the only sin in the Bible. Study it for yourself. We are ALL sinners. That’s the point. But the only way to the Father is thru Jesus Christ His Son who took on ALL of our sin so that those who believe in Him shall be saved from those sins and have Eternal Life. No one is perfect. Everyone NEEDS Christ. Not all make that choice. What are the consequences of unrepentant sin?? Death.
I would hope at some point in your lives, you would spend the same energy you spend hurling hate & mockery into studying Scripture. It will change your lives for the better. Your anger and hard edges are readily apparent thru out your posts. There is a better way. So go, know Him, strive to know Him better, He loves all of us. But make no mistake, the only way to the father is thru Him.
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
John 5:14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”
2 Tim 3:16 “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.”
1 Corinthians 2:12-13 “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.”
Revelation 19:9 “These are true words of God.”
Easy to figger out SJ.
SJ
Isaiah 1:2 – The Lord has spoken.
Jeremiah 10:1,2 – Hear the word which the Lord speaks. Thus says the Lord…
Ezekiel 1:3 – The word of the Lord came expressly.
Hosea 1:1,2 – The word of the Lord that came … the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said…
Jonah 1:1 – The word of the Lord came to Jonah.
Micah 1:1 – The word of the Lord that came to Micah.
Zech. 1:1 – The word of the Lord came to Zechariah.
And these prophets wrote it.
Libtards,
Reject the word of God and Jesus in the Bible, yet will accept on face value the words of Eric Holder.
Morons!
I learned many years ago that the most peaceful, least fearful, least angry way to live my life is to believe that ALL things that come my way, GOOD & BAD, happen for a reason and come thru the hands of a Loving God. If God was so powerful to create everything, including you & I, He was powerful enough to have a hand in everything that happens. Do I understand why? Absolutely not and will not in this life. But knowing someday I will be in His presence is awesome. I don’t deserve it. No one does. That is what Grace is all about friends.
So continue being rebellious, profane, mocking against God. He is the Lord. Who are you? You are His little child who thinks he ought to be able to control his own destiny, act out and gain complete understanding of Creation and the Universe and everything in it thru your own understanding. Good luck with that.
I know a guy who was worse than any of you. He hated the mere mention of God. He had this horrible dream that he was lying in his bed drawing his last breath. The thought of the absolute finality of what happens as that last breath leaves his body was a nightmare. He woke up in a pool of sweat…hyperventilating.
I encourage you to put yourself in his situation. Imagine with all your might drawing in your last breath and what is next for you.
Think about what you are basing that thought on.
Have a nice day.
When you think about drawing that last breath as a human being, think about God’s word regarding your fate–
Here are a few verses to meditate on-
Again, have a nice day.
It may be easier for you to ignore all this and ignorantly go about your day. For those of you with the courage and open heart to study God’s word and consider it, you will be blessed.
*Palm slaps forehead*
Oh. My. God.
The circular logic here is relentless. All puddles has written is that his book is the law because…his book says so.
Scripture goes on about how humble and accepting of ‘the Lord’ he is, how he’s given himself over to ‘God’s’ plan…and then gets his gay-hate on, and his Black-hate on over on the other thread, where he was braying about ACORN!!!!
You people are parodies of yourselves.
I’m still waiting for one of you Bible-thumpers to post a quote from your book that purports to be Jesus’ own words concerning homosexuality.
For people like Liberal Scientist and SJ and other hardcore non-believers, it’s interesting to look deeper into the reasons behind their non-belief. Here is a piece to consider–
Question: “Why do people reject Jesus as their Savior?”
The link has a lot more than I posted.
I believe in a benevolent loving god who made me gay, nearsighted and someone who freckles in the sun. I have been in a partnered relationship for 17 years. We have adopted a son.
I hope you conservatives put a least this much effort into taking care of the poor as you do on oppressing gays.
I think that’s what’s going on with puddles and ‘scripture’ and their book – they’ve raised those words of dubious provenance to deity status, and then use them to bash and destroy anything that their basically mean-spirited and greedy ideology tells them to.
Sad really.
The arguments for/against the existence of God have go on for thousands of years. The non-believers have cranked up the intensity in recent decades. But debating this with many of them is nearly impossible as they refuse to consider the evidence and arguments…and have already come to a pre-determined conclusion based on obvious anger and even hate. At some point, one needs to simply present the evidence and pray that the Holy Spirit works in them. One interesting argument for God’s existence is this–
Arguments for God’s Existence
Arguments for the existence of God come in many different forms; some draw on history, some on science, some on personal experience, and some on philosophy. The primary focus of this site is the philosophical arguments—the ontological argument, the first cause argument, the argument from design, and the moral argument.
Each of these arguments, if successful, supports a certain conception of God: the ontological argument, for instance, is an argument for the existence of a perfect being; the first cause argument is an argument for the existence of an eternal Creator; the argument from design is an argument for the existence of Creator with a special interest in humanity; the moral argument is an argument for a moral authority.
Each of the arguments, if successful, then, so supports a specific religion to the extent that its conception of God matches that supported by the argument.
Then there are these 3 additional arguments for God’s existence–
The Argument from Design
The third purported proof of the existence of God is the argument from design, also called “the teleological argument”. The argument from design seeks to prove the existence of God from the fact that the universe is ordered.
The universe could have been different from the way that it is in many ways. It could have had different laws of physics; it could have had a different arrangement of planets and stars; it could have begun with a more powerful or a weaker big bang.
The vast majority of these possible universes would not have allowed for the existence of life, so we are very fortunate indeed to have a universe that does. On an atheistic world-view, there is no way to explain this good fortune; the atheist must put this down to chance. On the view that God exists, though, we can explain why the universe is the way that it is; it is because God created the universe with beings like us in mind. This argument, if it is successful, strongly suggests the existence of a Creator that takes an interest in humanity.
Oh. My. God.
When the feeble minded start playing with logic…
So. God exists, and therefore, he hates fags.
Good to know.
(Could you please post links to where you’re getting this drivel – it’s expected, rather than just posting long tracts of bullshit you found somewhere)
The conclusion then is that these 4 arguments taken together prove the existence of a perfect, necessary, transcendent being that created the universe, has authority over it, and takes an interest in humanity. The God in the Bible, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit.
Now, all Liberal Scientist and SJ have done is throw stones without even attempting to debate the evidence and arguments. No reasonable debate possible. They have never studied the Old & New Testament. They seem horrified by the thought of it if you read their comments.
To approach this with an open mind requires humility..which neither apparently have. They seem to believe they are capable of an all-encompassing understanding of everything in the Universe if it’s explained in scientific terms they understand. Mighty shallow to not open their minds to the possibility there is an all-powerful God that transcends their worldly understanding.
They will continue to kick and scream and hurl stinkbombs. It doesn’t really matter. I have had wonderful discussions with many non-believers who opened themselves up to these arguments and possibilities. Liberal Scientist & SJ are unwilling to do that. So I do my best to offer evidence and reasons..they reject them without any knowledge or thought..out of ignorance because they fear studying God’s word with an open mind & heart. Good luck with that when you are drawing that last breath guys. Good luck.
40. Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:
No one said that Liberal Scientist. God hates the sin and loves the sinner. He hates sin. That is why He sent His Son. You certainly have a very tight mindset you operate in. God spells out in Scripture the Sin He hates. Does that mean none of us will sin?? Of course not. Will we sin daily? Of course. We are human beings.
But it’s still sin in God’s eyes.
And the only way we can be reconciled to Him is thru the blood of His Son, Jesus Christ.
You keep hurling these conclusionary stinkbombs that are clearly not what Scripture or what anyone said.
Non-believers do that out of desperation.
Are you desperate to be right about your non-belief Liberal Scientist?
You seem desperate.
You could be wrong you know. Right?
You’ve presented none. Not a shred of evidence. You are using terms that you seem not to understand.
Also, please provide links to the large blocks of text you’ve quoted. Or is that you own writing?
And you have yet to provide a quote from your book attributed to ‘Jesus’ that deals with homosexuality.
So we see Lib da schmuck in action
So gay people are fags Lib da schmuck? Really? Such a denigrating term.
Argumentative credibility exploded.
KALAMMMMMO!
God doesn’t hate the gay person. He hates the act. This fact you still don’t get!
Still a moron. All these years!
First you need to prove Lib da schmuck has a mind!
Been there done that.
John 10:30 – The WORDS of JESUS! The Old Testament points to Jesus.
Still missed by Lib da schmuck!
I’ve got work to do – not that it wasn’t fun wading through the ankle-deep muck of cant that seems to spew from the bigoted when they retreat to their mythology to cover for their bigotry.
Later!
And don’t forget those links, Mr. Scripture!
Notice how Lib da schmuck runs every time when his scum bag commentary is regurgitated for all to see?
You’re really that thick? I was merely quoting a prominent Christisnist like yourself, that seems to share yours and Scripty’s positions on gay rights.
So you follow all the OT laws, puddles? That’s what you seem to be claiming.
Or only the ones that conveniently fit your bigotry?
Don’t smoke
Don’t drink alcohol
Don’t do drugs
Don’t eat pork
Don’t eat unclean foods
Where was this quote before post #49?
N O W H E R E!
Feeble excuse for your 24×7 stupidity!
This is like having the Jehovah’s Witness ladies show up at the door – mildly amusing for the first few minutes, but ultimately dissatisfying after realizing that the self-reinforcing roundabouts in their minds were on continuous loop, and it was all really about fear and longing for easy answers.
Like I said, sad really.
Later!
That was not your question. Notice how Lib da schmuck always moves the goal posts to make himself puffed up?
Another attempt to move the goal posts.
John 10:30 – Just accept Jesus’ words Lib da schmuck!
@43 A lot of the cutting & pasting comes from here.
http://www.existence-of-god.co.....f-god.html
In other words, the guy @42 can’t think for himself. He can’t seem to express from his own heart what his faith means to him. Rather, he has that shallow, glassy-eyed thing going for him that’s always a huge turn-off for me. I tend to ignore such people unless they start to clog the comment threads.
I think you must be the only person on the planet that doesn’t think of prominent Christian pastor Fred Phelps when the phrase, “God hates fags” is used.
Google it, fool.
I believe there’s a great deal more to all of those OT laws and injunctions than that, you self-satisfied fool.
So, do you keep them all? ALL?
If not, why not?
Another attempt to move the goal posts.
John 10:30 – Just accept Jesus’ words Lib da schmuck!
Poor and feeble attempt to change the train he was “riding”.
Bullshit, puddles.
I asked for a quote from your book attributed to Jesus.
You gave me a quote, “I and the Father are one” and you keep referencing that the OT points to Jesus.
So, you’re putting OT references about homosexuality in Jesus’ mouth and calling them his. Therefore, you own all the OT, when you wrap your Christianity with Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
The next logical question, then, is to ask if you’re following all of the OT prescriptions, or just the ones about homosexuality that fit you pre-existing bigotry against gay people.
After all, Mr. Scripty said above:
Fred Phelps? Oh you mean that DUMMOCRAPT pastor?
Wow, I didn’t know he was one of your heroes!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
More bullshit puddles, and it demonstrates your fear of exploring this preoccupation with using your book to bash people you don’t like.
I don’t have to. Matt 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
Still failing Lib da schmuck fool!
That’s the best you can do?
He’s a lawyer, too, just like Mitt Romney.
So I guess he’s yours.
For our purposes, his positions on gay rights much more closely approximates your views…
Still moving the goal posts! Lib da schmuck, what a turkey!
Last refuge of the fearful.
No, puddles – I’m just exploring this issue with you.
You seem to use the Bible as a source for your rules to live by. You choose to use OT proscriptions against gay people.
My question is, do you follow ALL the OT rules, or just the ones that fit your bigotry, like those against gay people?
Ummm no ya moron. Over the years OpenSecrets have proven 76% of their largess to DUMMOCRAPT candidates and committees.
Another EPIC FAYLE
Fred Phelps is a DUMMOCRAPT! Still moving the goal posts! Read post #61, more words of Jesus!
I’ll ask again, puddles…
Deal with Matt 5:17!
(Process note: puddle’s link @65 goes nowhere. Typical)
You brought up Fred Phelps. He’s not on my radar. So I investigated Fred. He’s one of yours BIG TIME!
Sucks to be Lib da schmuck!
Again, you’re drawing a very clear and strong line between Jesus and the OT. Fine, if that’s your belief and source of the rules to live by.
It only reinforces my question:
Do you live by ALL the OT rules, or just the ones that support your pre-existing bigotry?
Why is it the state that issues the Marriage License and not the Church? You can quote all the scriptures you like, how about all the other scriptures that are written that people do not abide by, like the commandments, thou shall not commit adultery, how about putting adulterers in electrified pens. Bigots. Who says that as an American I have to abide by any scriptures in a Bible. Take the Bible and stick it up your ass. This comes down to one thing bigotry, or two, money. Heterosexuals can’t even abide by the vows of marriage, what hypocrites. Keep killing each other, that works for me.
I referenced Fred Phelps as a paragon of Christianist anti-gay bigotry. You’re trying to change the subject.
Now…
Puddy per the Bible you should be a slave, can you say MASTER. Who ever emancipated you made a big mistake.
Facts explode Lib da schmuck’s feeble argument.
No I am not. Jesus said it twice! Jesus provided His commentary between Himself and God the Father.
You still don’t get it.
Time to move on!
gman, you are the SLAVE to sin! gman, now writing like headless dorkyone lucy!
The Lord says Puddypud is a slave, ok boy. Say yes, MASTER.
Chicken.
I can do a lot worse then headless lucy, you should be picking cotton, you useless for anything else. Cling to you Bible boy
OK, be clear here – how does this address the request for a quote attributed to Jesus regarding homosexuality?
Wow, the crazy train is off the rails today. There is no worse combination of personality disorders than religious fanaticism and bipolar egomania. Couple that with an encyclopedic knowledge of a book of myths from the 15th century and a total lack of awareness of anything else, you get schizo-effective paranoia.
How long will it be before you start spitting on little girls for wearing trousers, or burying them up to their waists in the dirt so you can throw rocks at their heads?
You religionists are all the same. Bat-shit crazy, dumber’n dogshit and just plain mean. The world would be better for ridding itself of these psychopaths.
Nope you dope. You called gays fags! When I aptly pointed out your writing you move the goal posts claiming you are parroting Fred Phelps. Fred Phelps? When shown beyond a shadow of a doubt Fred Phelps, your hero, is a DUMMOCRAPT; you equate Fred Phelps being a lawyer with Mitt Romney. Wait a minute… Obummer is a lawyer. And Obummer is a DUMMOCRAPT. Then you start braying about OT laws.
Goal point movement. That’s the “debate style” of Lib da schmuck.
KABLAMMMMO!
Gotta go!
A gay racist. You perfectly prove my arguments about DUMMOCRAPTS!
Puddles, you’re spinning so much, I think you’re getting confused…
and
Which is it puddles?
And when Jesus appears in His clouds of Glory, you’ll run and try to hide!
The only confusion is your rambling “logic” I provided all to see in post #81!
Re 84: BLASPHEMER!!!!
re 84: “And when Jesus appears in His clouds of Glory, you’ll run and try to hide!” Puddy
“Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Jesus H. Christ
@82, I’m just telling you what I hear on the street – Republicans tell me that all the time, especially my farmer friend who grows Tobacco, and who has a bunch of Jamaicans pick it for him. He makes big bucks on the tobacco at their expense. Have fun. Enjoy.
It is obvious that I did not.
My line:
is an encapsulation of what I understand yours and scripty’s position to be.
What we’re examining here, obvious to all, is yours and your fellow bigots’ use of your bible as a weapon against people you hate.
Pure and simple hate. You own it puddles.
Can you show the “H.” anywhere in the NT racist dorky headless lucy?
BTW you should commend gman on taking over your HA racist mantra headless! So you been paying attention to those Sandusky trail snippets, ex-wrestling coach?
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Is a profoundly and obviously dishonest interpretation of what I wrote. And you’re hiding behind this dishonesty to avoid having an honest discussion examining your statements about these rules in your book that you so love to quote.
You’re a frightened, hateful little man.
@ 84
“Jesus” (the Spainish mistranslation of the name Yesua) is DEAD. If he existed at all which is still doubtful, he died 2000 years ago when he got too pushy with the Roman bankers and landed gentry and they executed him for educating poor people about their economic and social situation.
There isn’t going to be any “second coming”, there isn’t going to be any magical sky-daddy that is going to come down from the sky and unfuck your life. To continue to believe otherwise and wait around for it, and to punish people for laughing at your horribly deluded world-view or ignoring your obvious personality disorders to enable them to tolerate your company is the pinnacle of narcissism.
You religionists are insane.
You wrote
Fags is NOT found in the Bible.
is your poor “thinking skills” trying to denigrate the Bible to your gutter loving level!
See ya!
Bravo.
I really do have to go to work now….
We’ll see Fraggy.
Did you send money to your Oakland OWS teammates yet?
To puddy…
You got to laugh a puddy, Republicans hate his guts and he is blind to it..it is comical…..pick that cotton boy.
Then what happened to Jesus’ body? Why did the chief priests pay the Roman guard to tell a lie?
Jesus rose from the dead. You’ll see Him and then you’ll curse Him before His glory vanquishes you!
puddy you should join GOProud, maybe they think you should do something other than pick cotton.
Nope you dope. Actually 6’3″ and not frightened at all by your ilk.
I have been to DL. That’s a frightening group!
PROVE IT!
re 90: “What you talkin’ about, Willis?”
I already proved multiple times black libtards saying blacks can’t be racist or bigots.
So now you are saying you disagree with black libtards?
Do tell! What else do you disagree with blacks on?
Why do you hate blacks gman? Spurned by a black long ago? That deep seated hatred rising to the top again?
@102 – I have Republican friends who constantly, Constantly say the N word. I don’t consider them friends, but people I know. Put it that way. They don’t like Blacks you moron.
@104 Blacks can’t be bigots, keep dreaming you moron. What do you think Blacks are special. A Bigot is a Bigot, black, white or yellow.
Why did Republicans call Shirley Sherrod a racist? According to you she can’t be?
Puddy you didn’t run away, did you?
Maybe he is crying?
@104 – this isn’t about me. Whether I like blacks or not, doesn’t change the fact that I experience racism in my life, perpetrated by mostly Republicans. So enjoy your life Pudddy, you can either kept bigotry alive or you can do something about it and stop being a bigot yourself. But why should you, I can understand if you are being vindictive. There isn’t a day that I get up that I don’t here the N word, because I’m white and whites say it in front of whites, maybe not to a Blacks face but Republicans love the word. So stick that one in your Bible, and converse that with Tony Perkins.
@109. Good post. I liked this part “So enjoy your life Pudddy, you can either kept bigotry alive or you can do something about it and stop being a bigot yourself.”
What would Jesus do?
“What would Jesus do?”
Beats the shit outta me!
@ 107, 108
He’s probably curled up in the foetal position, thumb in his mouth, rocking back and forth with religious passion.
I grew up in a pretty seriously religious/Christian town. While I have a lot of respect for peoples individual talents and abilities, the ones that attribute their talents and abilities to some ephemeral and as yet undefined deity instead of their own natural intellect are still fettering themselves with limits on their intelligence.
This is crippling, and creates an artificial barrier to expanding their intellect. Their minds are closed. Many of them are just very crazy people. People with extraordinary talents, but still insane. It is impossible for them to imagine a world in which random shit can occurr outside of the purview of civilized behavior that can be attributed to peoples insanity or atavism. It is all about “God” or “Satan”.
There are more religious mass murderers, rapists, thieves, child molesters, kidnappers, wife beaters and chronic alcoholics in the world than non-religious ones. Prisons are chock-full of “Christians”. Simply because such people can either attribute their criminal behaviors and psychopathies to an outside force, and deny their own responsibilities for their actions, or credit that same outside force with their ability to enrich themselves or continue to engage in such uncivilized behaviors without being brought to justice by secular law. Thats why so many Priests and ministers can go for decades raping babies or skimming the tithes and nobody is ever the wiser, and the ones that do figure it out still defend the offenders. Religion is all about fostering Stockholm Syndrome in the masses.
Thats why the “prosperity gospel” is such an incredibly successful scam, and why those “ministers” on TV are living in 30,000 square foot houses, driving $100,000 automobiles, sailing on 150 foot motorboats and eating gold leaf on their chocolate cakes while their marks are trying to stay afloat while handing over a tenth or more of their take home pay over to them. Thats why so many people will forgo putting a decent amount of food in front of their kids to hand over their money to the leaders of their faith. My uncle did exactly this. He let his kids go hungry so he could support a minister who was living in a house that was 5 times the size of his, and had never once lifted a finger in physical labor.
Religion is all about denying personal responsibility for everything that happens. It rationalizes crime. Thats all it does.
It is therefore evil.
@112,
Yeah, but for some reason we seem to be hard wired to want some sort of “religion.” That’s why there are so many “true” religions out there. We just can’t seem to get along without inventing some sort of religious “doctrine” to follow. If we were to magically erase all religions today, within a year or two, we’d have “invented” another ten thousand religions to satisfy that mystical yearning that most of us have. Guess it relates mostly to the question of an afterlife, but the best “religion” is simply following the Golden Rule.
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@Scripture –
The words of Jesus:
Luke 16:18: Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.
So where is the Christian movement to make divorce illegal, or to make remarriage after divorce illegal?
Why do Christians pick on just the gays?
… oh right, BECAUSE THEY CAN.
.. or at least they could until now …
Once again gman can’t process facts. Libtards said it ya moron. I use what libtards say when I want to! Remember Eric Holder chose not to bring any charges against the Black Panthers. Shirley Sherrod’s words are priceless.
So all can see gman is as stooooooopid and the celler dweller rujax.
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@ 113
If we could eliminate all neurological disease, malnutrition (especially during childhood), and educate every person to the best of their ability, blind-faith religions would cease to exist. Examples are syphilis and the herpes viruses. There are obvious genetic deformities that can last dozens of generations that are directly attributed to congenital syphilis that affect the neurophysiology almost exclusively. There is a fair amount of talk about the origins of schizophrenia in this regard.
There are hundreds of varieties of the herpes virus that affect the nervous system almost exclusively. There are things like Candida Albacans that generate alcohol as a waste product and live in the bloodstream and intestines. The sufferers of this disease are literally at a low-level drunk their entire lives and nobody notices it.
Eliminate such diseases, and deistic religion would cease to exist.
@ 120
While I’m sure you could only benefit from a high colonic, the rest of what you have to say is a joke. Candida albicans is ubiquitous and the amount of alcohol that it might generate miniscule in almost every situation. Rarely a strain may produce significant alcohol but most ‘cases’ turn out to be drunkards trying to beat the rap by claiming it’s a yeast infection and not the twelve beers they had before getting behind the wheel.
While administering that high colonic to yourself, don’t let the enema hose poke you in the eye.
This would be the second Four-Pinocchios lie told by the White House in as many days.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html
One would think that the Obama administration, now running its second national campaign, would look a little less stupid.
@122. Hey Serial “Ridicule the looks of the president’s daughter and proud of it!” Conservative, how is that on the topic of “Is Opposing Marriage Equality Christian?”? Go post that B.S. in an open thread.
I see in the news that Mary Cheney married her girlfriend today.
Wow, Liberal Scientist has come unhinged. Evidence is provided, including eyewitness testimony of many, and LS pretends there is no evidence. There is a huge amount of evidence and reasonable arguments that God exists. Yet a self-proclaimed open-minded thinker won’t even consider it. Liberal Scientist’s angry, hate-filled comments speak to his close-mindedness. LS lives in a spiritual drought and is only propped up by whatever random thoughts pop into his mind. But LS, there is hope for all of us–
God never did promise that we would not experience some tough times. He did promise, however, that if we would seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, he would provide all that we need (Matthew 6:33). Too often, we get mixed up about what we want and what we need. They are NOT the same thing. Most of us could survive quite well on much less than what we have. But LS, we ALL need Christ. We just don’t all accept the free gift of God’s Grace.
There are no data that support the existence of your imaginary god.
That is manifestly not true.
As evidence for either of these ridiculous assertions of yours, are you going to quote your book some more, or give gauzy, glassy-eyed paragraphs of nonsense, like you did above?
On a lark, I ask you to provide evidence for the existence of god.
(This should be good).
Eyewitness of what???!!!
I missed this post the other day from deathfrogg.
Right on.
@125 Oh, good grief! Why must you be so shallow and insipid about your faith?
@130
It is remarkably cloying, isn’t it?
Sickly sweet, circular, redundant, sanctimonious, illogical, grandiose.
This is Christianity?
@130
Rather like living one’s life by rules gleaned from the enlightened statements found in a Hallmark card.
Major Gay Marriage Opponent Changes Sides
“David Blankenhorn, a national figure in the movement against same-sex marriage, has recanted his opposition, saying ‘the time has come for me to accept gay marriage and emphasize the good that it can do.’ …
On Friday, he said in an opinion article for The New York Times … and an interview on NPR that … ‘the time for denigrating or stigmatizing same-sex relationships is over … legally recognizing gay and lesbian couples and their children is a victory for basic fairness.'”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47.....ork_times/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: In Mr. Blankenhorn’s case, reason and conscience have triumphed, and others will follow. The reason why is simple. The basic premise of the anti-gay argument — that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice — is wrong. Being gay is not a learned behavior, it’s a result of biological programming that people are born with. Proof of this abounds; homosexuality is not a uniquely human behavior, but exists among many higher-order animal species. Nature, not human choice, makes people (and animals) same-sex-oriented. Thus, hating someone because they’re gay is the same as hating someone because of their skin color.