Well, um… I gotta admit that Mike?™ McGavick has finally come up with a plausible explanation for the disparities between his own account of his 1993 DUI and the official police report. Apparently, Mike?™ blacked out.
Appearing on the Dori Monson Show this afternoon, Mike?™ insisted that he reported the details of his DUI as he remembered them — he just didn’t remember all that much. When asked why he told a reporter that he had merely received a citation, when in fact he was arrested, Mike?™ said that he did not remember being arrested. When Dori pressed on, pointing out that it’s hard to forget being driven to the station and handcuffed to a desk, Mike?™ insisted that he did not remember being handcuffed. The truth is, Mike?™ professed…
“I don’t remember much of what happened after I was pulled over.”
Um… that’s called blacking out, and it’s one of the loudest and clearest warning signs of problem drinking. And it’s not like this episode happened during his irresponsible teens; Mike?™ was 35-years-old at the time, so without evidence to the contrary, it’s pretty hard to imagine his drinking habits have changed all that much over the past 13 years.
Indeed, when Dori asked him if he still drinks, Mike?™ unhesitatingly replied yes. But when asked if he still drinks and drives, Mike?™ qualified his answer: “Drink too much and drive? No.”
Mike?™ made it clear he’s no believer in zero tolerance, and has no qualms about getting behind the wheel of a car as long as he thinks he’s within the legal limit. And that’s fine. Neither do most Americans. But then, most Americans aren’t blackout drunks who are running for the US Senate, and even a conflicted but sympathetic Dori was forced to ponder whether being “so drunk that you don’t remember being put in handcuffs” might raise a question about one’s qualifications for high office.
I never believed that it was the DUI or the drinking itself that was the big issue here, but rather, Mike?™’s lack of candor along with the cynical use of his running-on-the-issues meme to intentionally run away from them. Once again Mike?™ harped on how he’s “so sick of the way we conduct politics these days,” insisting that “issues are too darn important not to talk about.” And yet it was he who raised his own DUI as a campaign issue in the first place.
But now, with his own admission that he drank to the point of blacking out, and that he apparently hasn’t changed his drinking habits in any way, I’m not so sure that the DUI on its own isn’t a relevant talking point in this campaign.
Do we really want to elect a US Senator who occasionally goes on a bender, whether or not he climbs behind the wheel of a car afterwards? I think that those of us who have grown up as children of alcoholics, or who have married into that sort of unstable family life would likely say no. And I think that accounts for a far larger percentage of the voting public than McGavick and his advisors might imagine.
TANGENT ALERT:
There was one other McGavick quote that really stuck in my craw, when he reiterated his regret that he “didn’t get to participate on a regular basis” in his son’s life.
I dunno, maybe I put too much weight in, you know, words… but “didn’t get to” doesn’t sound to me like an admission of responsibility. It wasn’t that McGavick “didn’t get to” participate in his son’s life. He chose not to.
Far be it from me to criticize how another man conducts his family life, but it was McGavick after all who raised this issue in the first place, in the middle of a Senate campaign, in an effort to publicly wring from his personal regret whatever political advantage it might provide.
I’m just saying.
Please tell me he did not say that and this your sense of humor, the one the WingNuts don’t get, you know, satire.
Please, say it ain’t so, Goldy.
Well the bullet he fired out of the “personal regret to wring Political Advantage” gun, hit him in the foot. TWICE. Can this man still honestly belive he has any chance. Maria should stop all appearances, get a front row seat and watch Mike? finish imploding. Wait, he is not running against her, he is running against, um, uh, the other Republican challengers.
“People should not vote for drunks!” [Senator Ted Kennedy, DEMOCRAT, MASS]
Last week McGavick said pretty much the same thing on KIRO’s afternoon drive show, the “Ron & Don Show”. He said he would “never do it again”, but when they pressed him on whether he had quit drinking, he said he would still drink. He also said he would still drive after drinking. He just said he wouldn’t drink that much and drive.
Personally, I know that when I drink, I’m the last person to know when I’ve had too much. That’s why I don’t drink for “entertainment” – I quit during my college years. Now I only have a beer or wine at business dinners, when it is a cultural problem to decline. My limit then is two beers or two glasses of wine, over the course of three or more hours.
Maybe, at least, Mike McGavick could take the same pledge? No more than two drinks per day?
Let’s keep this one going….
So, lets summarize some of the reasons why Washington voters should NOT vote for Mike McGavick.
1. He tends to lie, and is rather surprised and offended when he is caught. He lied to his wife about moving back to the west coast. He lied to Safeco employees when he told them there would be no more layoffs. He lied about the reason he was running for office. He lied to the Federal Elections Commmission, when he claimed the “millionaire’s amendment” didn’t apply to his race against Cantwell, because he was only running against his fellow Republcans in the primary. He lied to the press regarding his DUI incident, minimizing his conduct. He lied to Washington voters when he said that Cantwell “voted against Washington families” in refusing to vote for the Republican trifecta legislation. He lied when he said he regretted running a misleading campaign ad (in an earlier campaign), but continues to run the misleading ad against Cantwell. And he continues to lie when he says he would never vote against the interests of Washington families, even if his party instructed him to do so.
2. McGavick is closely tied to Alaska Senator Ted Stevens. Stevens is trying to extract revenge against Cantwell because she wasn’t sufficiently compliant to his plans to develop the Alaska Wildlife Refuge and increase tanker traffic in the Puget Sound. Stevens is leading fundraising efforts for McGavick, which has resulted in his now-embarrasing ties to VECO, the Alaskan Oil company which may be responsible for the recent Prudo Bay oil spill as well as a number of political contribution scandals in Alaska. Which brings forth the question: Does Alaska reallly need a third Senator, and can we afford to give them ours?
3. McGavick is a former insurance company lobbyist and CEO of a large insurance company. For those of us who have worked with insurance companies, or battled against them, this should be reason enough not to vote for him.
4. McGavick is symptomatic of the “revolving door” between large companies, politicians and their aids, and lobbyists, which is an underlying cause of many of the problems in the Republican Congress today. He goes from Congressional campaign manager to lobbyist to company CEO to a candidate for one of the highest offices in our government.
5. McGavick’s 28 million dollar bonus/campaign contribution AFTER HE RESIGNED FROM SAFECO clearly was for something other than two months of transition work and an extension of his “do not compete” agreement from one year to three (his original contract bound him to three years anyway). Do we, as voters and taxpayers, really want to wait around until next year to find out exactly what influence Safeco bought with that kind of money? Do we want to elect a person to the Senate who thought so little of Safeco shareholders that he would extract 28 million of dollars from them, over and above the generous salary and bonus which he earned under his existing contract?
6. McGavick is completely out of touch with the problems faced by Washington voters. He lives in an exclusive gated community, famous for its racist deed restrictions, where even the fire department can’t enter without a prior reservation!
Okay, that’s enough for now. Did I miss anything?
“Before Americans start pitying the poor Brits (who truly deserve a good bashing from Islam), they should check their own neighborhoods! Besides Louis Farrakan’s Nation of Islam, the Black Panther and New Black Panther Parties with all their black wanna-be Moslems, there are also REAL Moslems and their communities are springing up everywhere. There are now approximately 7 million Moslems in the United States. More than a quarter of a million people of Arab descent live in southeastern Michigan, making the area the second-largest Arab community outside the Middle East (after Paris, France). One frightening example of their prolific growth in American is Dearborn, Michigan. Of a total population of 90,000 Dearborn residents, 25,000 are now Arabs! And of all the Dearborn children under the age of 18, a full 58% are Arab children! Other developing centers of Arab/Moslem growth are Florida, Texas, New Jersey and California.” Source:http://www.falangist.com/islam13.htm
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How many Moslems should we allow into America, libs? Another ten million, another twenty million, another one hundred million, or, an unlimited number?
Moonbat answer: an unlimited number. See #3 below;
Left Wing Liberalism (LWL) is a psychological personality variable or �ideological attitude”.
It is defined as the convergence of four attitudinal clusters in an individual:
1. Politically Correct submission �� a high degree of submission to the authorities who are perceived to be Politically Correct and legitimate in the society in which one lives. �It is good to have a Politically Correct leader.�
2. Authoritarian aggression �� a general aggressiveness, directed against various persons, especially white males, that is perceived to be sanctioned by established Politically Correct authorities. �It is acceptable to be cruel to those who are not Politically Correct.�
3. Conventionalism �� a high degree of adherence to the social conventions that are perceived to be Politically Correct, even if they are self-destructive.
4. Self-hatred——a high degree of self-destructiveness which is projected upon one�s country, leading to the advocacy of an ideology designed to weaken or disrupt society and/or aid and abet enemy causes and countries.
Suicidal moonbat libs.
Whichever Democratic plant we have running the Mike? campaign is doing a bang-up job. Mike? made this admission on the Tuesday after Labor Day? The whole point of his mea culpa was to get this stuff out of the way before the campaign season began and take it *off* the table, and he chose the day when people tune in to get the info they missed over the long weekend. Only a Democratic campaign consultant would advise this.
Dorki Moron will throw the lever for that lying, shilling, overpaid drunk.
Dorki is just making a show for his audience.
rhp6033: nice summary.
Americanfirst and John Craig are one and the same. There just can’t be two people who are this ignorant and stupid. There just can’t be, right?
There just can’t be two people who are this ignorant and stupid.
And bat-shit crazy.
On the positive side, a Republican who is passed out is incapable of harming others. That is the only time a Republican poses no threats to others.
Nah, amerikkkafirst, for all his foolishness is more like Puddy, devotely adicted to Free Republic and other nut sites. amerikkkafirst is incidentally racist at worse.
JCH is just some tired old self loathing queer, forced to turn tricks in his search for the one thing that could make him happy, a large black man to dominate him. He also likes to wear a crackerjack suit when he is hustling, so that he can call himself a sailor. John Craig is ashamed of this, so he is blantantly racist. Also, the damages to his brain from syphylis tend to cause him to go off on crazy rants. JCH
This whole black out bull shit is just more of the same unless he stayed shit faced all the way till he did his mitigation and had the care expunged. And boy that would have been a bunch of drinking. Otherwise he must have had a descussion like this with his wife, mother or attorney.
Damn why is my wrist sore? Handcuffs dear.
How did I get home? I posted bail for you hun.
Bail? Yes, you probably don’t remember this cuz you blacked out but you were arrested and booked last night. Oh, that explains the ink on my fingers. Jeez I slept like a baby.
Where did I park that damn car this time? It was towed dear.
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Anyway not knowing the facts, all the facts, is just not honest.
America First, you should start looking into the definitions of
Right Wing Authoritarian as well. Those are some crazy sumbitches
“Before Americans start pitying the poor Brits (who truly deserve a good bashing from Islam), they should check their own neighborhoods! Besides Louis Farrakan’s Nation of Islam, the Black Panther and New Black Panther Parties with all their black wanna-be Moslems, there are also REAL Moslems and their communities are springing up everywhere. There are now approximately 7 million Moslems in the United States. More than a quarter of a million people of Arab descent live in southeastern Michigan, making the area the second-largest Arab community outside the Middle East (after Paris, France). One frightening example of their prolific growth in American is Dearborn, Michigan. Of a total population of 90,000 Dearborn residents, 25,000 are now Arabs! And of all the Dearborn children under the age of 18, a full 58% are Arab children! Other developing centers of Arab/Moslem growth are Florida, Texas, New Jersey and California.” […..Deport every one of them!!!]
JDB, are you a musssssssslim?? Maybe we need to deport you, too.
RHP6033, to add to number 2 in your list: McGavick is closely tied to Sen. Ted Stevens who voted against the McCain/Graham ammendment and FOR TORTURE
americafirst, Like illegals, as long as muuuuuslim vote Democrat, they will multiple in the USA. Look for another 20-30 million muuuuuslims, and another 20-30 million illegals by 2010. All will be parasites, aqnd all will vote Democrat. Atlas has Shrugged. The Democrat parasite herd needs thinning.
The same must be true for all those minority voters that ‘didn’t get’ to vote last election.
goldy give the McGavick thing a break.the only difference between you a drunk and an alcoholic is you dont go to aa meetings.
If AmericaFirst and JCH are at all representative, the right’s descent into true, swastika-wearing, goose-stepping fascism is proceeding apace, with Muslims neatly taking the place of jews as the principal scapegoat and object of persecution.
“Free King Cobra! Free KFC!! Free cartons of Marlboros! Vote Democrat, MoFos!!!!” [Carl Grossman, “gettin out da Democrat votes!!”]
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I think you’re right. Subhumans like americafirst and JCH are the deep dark secret of the Republican Party, the people Ken Mehlman won’t acknowledge but also won’t condemn. If Republicans had any integrity, or truly believed in American values, some of the conservatives who post here would show some balls and tell americafirst and JCH to crawl back into their caves and shut the hell up. None of them, however, will do so.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/5/06@ 4:52 pm
and
Commentby americafirst— 9/5/06@ 4:16 pm
Hey now. Is someone caracturing the Recruit? I didn’t think even he was that stupid and racist.
Still it is educational to discover where Americafirst and SR JCH seem to be getting their quotes. It will give folks here some important insight as to exactly where these two are coming from.
http://www.falangist.com
These folks are so far out in right field that they make President Bush look like a far-left liberal.
So, SR JCH and AmericaFirst, if someone is caracaturing you here, please say so. I cannot believe that even you two actually believe the stuff I read on that site.
Please, tell me that this is someone’s sick idea of a joke.
24,Given the swastika-like party symbol it’s obvious that the Falangists are a fringe group. I sourced the quote, that doesn’t mean that I approve of the source. Even a lib should understand that.
The theme of my post is that libs refuse to even consider limits upon Moslem immigration. I haven’t seen any lib refute that; seems as if you are only able to attack the source. Typical lib reaction.
John Craig:
I’m about as Muslim as you have a chance of finding a big black man to “Tookie” you tonight. The only difference between you and me is that I have no desire to be a Muslim, while all you can think about is a large black man having his way with you.
Day 15 September 5 2006 Where’s Goldy?
Mayor Nickels’
unprecedented tax increase proposal and
Tim Eyman’s opposition campaign not only screws the taxpayers into paying extra for basic services, but it also really puts Goldy and the rest of you seattle moonbats in a helluva predicament. I’ve been taunting Goldy for some time now with my “Where’s Goldy” series, and he still won’t tell us where he stands. No doubt, he’s between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out what to do. So as a true compassionate conservative, I’ll lay out the options here for ya Goldy:
1) Open up your wallet and pay more and more property tax every year until you are forced out of your home. Even if you can do it, do you want to make seattle a place where only the rich can live? Or do you not give a fuck about anybody else?
2) Join Eyman’s campaign to fight defeat the tax increase, and expose yourself to be the fucking hypocrite that you are. Admit that you are wrong about taxpayer rights, and thank Tim in pubic for giving you the right to vote on major policy issues.
3) Support the tax hike and agree that the tax money has to be raised, but make somebody other than you pay. You could take the tried and true class envy approach and make those “rich people” in Magnolia and Queen Ann pick up the tab. Remember, a “fair tax” in moonbat parlance is a tax that the other guy has to pay.
4) Or just keep quiet and hope I go away. That’s not gonna happen.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby americafirst— 9/5/06@ 6:02 pm
Well, Americafirst, if you’re going to quote opinions from Nazi websites (other than in opposition), you’ll have to excuse folks from thinking that you agree with those sites. You did have the option of making some sort of disclaimer, like
“I know these folks are absolutely bat-shit crazy, but here’s what they say about…”
As to restricting immigration by religion, we have a little problem with that in this country. It’s called the “Bill of Rights”. You may have heard about it when the NRA was talking about the Second Amendment.
The Second Amendment doesn’t really apply to this issue, but the First Amendment does. Let me quote the appropriate section:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
You are, of course, welcome to campaign that the Bill of Rights should be revoked (except of course for the Second Amendment), as it was obviously a liberal plot to weaken our country. Darn those pesky liberal founding fathers, anyway.
(Really wish we had a preview function here. Mixed up my HTML again.)
JDB, I’m certain you vote like muuuuuslims and welfare hacks.
This abstinence pledge didn’t last long, did it?
(I mean the pledge to have no further comment on this issue in the campaign.)
After a recent spate of violent crimes allegedly committed by illegal or suspected illegal immigrants, Nashville has asked to become one of five American cities empowered to deport its own criminal illegal immigrants. County Sheriff Daron Hall — filed paperwork to take part in a little-known federal government initiative called the Delegation of Authority Program or section 287 (g) of the Immigration and Naturalization Act. [………..You can bet the Democrats will make sure no ONE illegal alien is deported before NOV 2006!!! The Dems are counting on lots of voter fraud!!!!!]
Typical: beat a dead-horse issue to death. Try e-bay, there’s lives for sale there.
Typical: beat a dead-horse issue to death. Try e-bay, there’s lives for sale there.
rhp – McGavick returned the donations VECO last week, before news went out about the FBI investigation. Guess you have to strike that one from your list of reasons not to vote for him. But I know you won’t.
Didn’t the FEC agree with McGavick about the millionaire clause? If so, how does that make it a McGavick lie? I guess if you just write huge paragraphs, no one will spend the time to call you on the details.
Guess it is political season – disagreeing with someone doesn’t make them a liar, it just means you have a different opinion. But that nuance is lost on this site.
POLL:
How many of the leftist pinheads on this site have been stopped for, charged with, plead down from, arrested for, or convicted of the same?!
I think the shareholders of Safeco ought to be mad as hell and someone should be mounting a law suit against the Board of Directors for malfeasance and irresponsible management. There is NO WAY that they didn’t know about the black out condition of their future CEO, if they did their due diligence and if they didn’t – – – well, either way, some heads should roll!
29, There is no constitutional right to immigrate here, it is a political matter for Congress to decide. As you may know, Third-World immigration was quite restricted prior to the 1965 immigration reform act, a reform which was, incidentally, pushed by the Democrats.
You have again evaded the issue; is a high level of Moslem immigration good for America?
As I pointed out in my post, libs are constrained by Politically Correct ideology from even considering the issue. Not a single lib is willing so far to say that high levels of Moslem immigration is good for America. I predict that libs will continue to evade the issue.
36 Awwww…gee whiz. Mike? pulled his hand out of the cookie jar when he got caught? Boy, that makes him completely guiltless now, doesn’t it?
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby americafirst— 9/5/06@ 7:04 pm
“There is no constitutional right to immigrate here, it is a political matter for Congress to decide. As you may know, Third-World immigration was quite restricted prior to the 1965 immigration reform act, a reform which was, incidentally, pushed by the Democrats.”
Quite true, there is no Constitutional right to immigrate. Congress, however, is limited in what it may include in laws, including in immigration laws.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” (got the HTML right this time)
Congress can pass laws restricting immigration by total numbers, even by nationality and presumably by eye color and still remain within the boundries of the Constitution. We can debate the wisdom (or lack thereof) of these laws, but that is not the question at hand.
It cannot pass a law restricting immigration by religion.
“Shall make no law” is about as clear as you can get. It doesn’t say “no law except for immigration quotas”.
Over here among us “libruls” we have considerable respect for the Constitution. That’s why the discussion never even gets started. It’s illegal, unconstitutional, and only bat-shit crazies like the American Falangists and other neo-Nazi groups think it would solve anything anyway.
Yep! Yep! Yep! – Us Christians should all immigrate to Muslim controlled countries and to see how long we last.
Oh, by the way, Americafirst.
Just so that you cannot think that I have evaded your question “is a high level of Moslem immigration good for America?” I would answer that the First Amendment has been very good for this country, and if that includes a high level of Muslim immigration, then so be it.
Mike McGavick……. What a LOOSER!!!!…….acK
Yep! Yep! Yep! – Us Christians should all immigrate to Muslim controlled countries and to see how long we last.
What a wounderful idea………..
Yes go PLEASE!!!!
Goldy- are you telling me that Mike ran into a road block and then blamed it on sleeping pills….. wait that was someone else. Nevermind
Goldy- Are you telling me that Mike ran his car off the road and left a woman to drown…… wait that was someone else. Nevermind.
your right buttnutz we have enough drunks in congress and the senite…….
Mike should go to AA and get back to use
man I got a grab bad for doumenterys off usenet.
I wound what crasyness I will run in to this time. :-/
Oh before I forget:
Exclusive.
Was the Jew killer a conservative or liberal. In the Seattle Times we have the following quote:
Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.
“Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….
He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.
“I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities. I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”
Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:
Psssssssssstttttttt…….
Ah it looks like the story was all a bunch of hot air. Well there you have it. Enjoy you Nazi libs
I down loaded Deep.Blue.2003.DVD last night to
http://www.imdb.com/Deep Blue 2003/tt0365109
It looks pretty interesting any one seen it?
your right buttnutz we have enough drunks in congress and the senite…….
Commentby The Socialist …………………………………………………………..{“You’re” right, buttnutz. We have enough drunks in the House and “Senate.” …………………………………………………………………..[Why NEA Democrats should not control the American public school system………..]
God what a hatefull hurtful person you are buttnutz
I don’t know all republicans seem to be like that :-(
i didn’t know we controled anything any more ….
I thought you assholes were in control of everything….
“God what a hatefull hurtful person you are buttnutz”
Commentby The Socialist [FINISH THIRD GRADE!!!!!]
50 – Haq was a mentally-ill, baptized Christian – like DOOFUS!
poor buttnutz why don’t you go beat your wife and kids and get rid of all that pent up hatred………..
your right buttnutz we have enough drunks in congress and the senite…….
Commentby The Socialist— 9/5/06@ 7:39 pm
And former Klansmen thaks to you donks. Listening to a donk preach about morals is like listening to an unemployed motivational speaker. hehehe
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby The Socialist— 9/5/06@ 7:35 pm
Before you agree with sillyguy about sending all us Christians off somewhere, you should remember that sillyguy and his ilk do not consider most of the major Christian denominations to be “Christian”.
Don’t buy into the right’s definition of the term “Christian”. Remember that it doesn’t include:
– African Methodist Episcopal Church
– The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
– Alliance of Baptists
– American Baptist Churches in the USA
– Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
– Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
– Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
– Church of the Brethren
– The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
– The Episcopal Church
– Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
– Friends United Meeting
– Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
– Hungarian Reformed Church in America
– International Council of Community Churches
– Korean Presbyterian Church in America
– Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
– Mar Thoma Church
– Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
– National Baptist Convention of America
– National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
– National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
– Orthodox Church in America
– Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
– Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
– Polish National Catholic Church of America
– Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
– Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
– Reformed Church in America
– Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
– The Swedenborgian Church
– Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
– Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
– United Church of Christ
– The United Methodist Church
and a whole bunch of others. We’re those “librul churches” you occasionally hear the right wing grumbling about.
We’re also the folks that, after the media has had its fun watching Jerry Falwell spew hatred all over the screen in neat, 30 second soundbites, come out and say “no, the Bible (or Torah or Qur’an) does not say that!”
Unfortunately, Watching Jerry and Pat shoot off their mouths is far more entertaining than listening to a quiet, prayerful person speaking reasonably. We can’t really blame the media for that. Jerry and Pat manage to put out some really interesting sound bites. Hmmm. Jerry Falwell, Jerry Springer. Coincidence? ;-)
“Crazy reverend calls for hit squads” is just much more likely to sell newspapers than “Christians pray for peace”.
We don’t let the right wing define “morals” or “values” for us, even though they keep trying. Don’t let them define “Christian” either.
Oh look they made a movie about butnutz and his x-wifes
Seven_Women_For_Satan_(1976)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0316886/
Ok how about every one that beleaves in god can go Including jews and Muslims they can all go beat each other over the heard some place else please and leave the rest of us in peace….
oh butnutz theirs a show on ch 9 about 911 go watch go watch hurry hurry !!!!!!!!!!!
Imbecile……
A Christian knows they are on the right path if a liberal accuses them of being wrong. Nuff said.
Ok how about every one that beleaves in god can go Including jews and Muslims they can all go beat each other over the heard some place else please and leave the rest of us in peace….
Commentby The Socialist— 9/5/06@ 7:59 pm
Actually we are waiting for lefties to go to Canada or Europe where they belong. We are not going anywhere, get use to it.
Of course every election when the lefties lose they say they are moving to Canada. Damn liars.
Christians are just sad people that need someone to tell them what to think and feel .
That’s why republicans like them so much . They will basically do what ever you tell them to do with out question.
There like little robot zombies I really feel sorry for these people . There leaders just use and abuse them and they just come back for more. All you have to do is mention God some were.
I thought you were a little smarter then that buttnutz but I guess I was wrong …………
Which I actually kind of like you really …….
Nova is doing a thing on the building’s from 911 and why they collapsed on ch 9 ……
If I could afford to go some were else I probably would
I wish I could move to Holland
There actually my ideal Governmental system… They have just the right amount of socialism and capitalism …. And together they make the perfect system of government that meets the needs of all there people …..
Of course every election when the lefties lose they say they are moving to Canada. Damn liars.
Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy [……………………………………………………………Ruf, Then they see the marginal tax rates in Canada, and they bitch and moan and head back to the evil USA!]
67….Holland needs to take 12 million Mexicans and 12 million blacks from the Sudan. Otherwise, they are “racist”. hehe, JCH
Why is it the illegal Mexicans don’t live in Cape Cod or the East Hamptons, NY? Lots of lib Democrats to take them in!!!!
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I for one hope the preachers tell the Christians to go vote. I know there will be similar efforts this year reminding Christians to vote. You dont need to tell a true Christian how to vote, just as long as they vote. I am hoping to pass out flyers to a couple churches this year.
Perhaps if 15 million illegal aliens moved to Seattle, the dumb ass lib Democrats there might cop a clue. Carl, you’ll take in a few hundred, won’t you? Goldy? Roger Rabbit? Bueller? Bueller? Frye? Anyone?
“Sit down, everyone! The muslims promised us they will land the plane safely. We Need to trust them!” [Carl Grossman]
Making it easier for a liberal to move to another country is a great idea. That would be one government program worth the money. Too bad we are talking about lefties. You can’t trust them.
I no you don’t get out much but surely you have herd of spanish Harlem in New York City haven’t you ……
74, RUF, ……Start will deporting 7 million ragheads. The silver lining: 7 million less Democrat votes!!!!!!!!
If you were going to move to another country were would it be B.N. ?
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Wouldnt it be fun to watch all the liberals tax each other. They would have to draw straws on who has to work. hehe
We are the WORLD ……… come on everyone sing it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rofl
Hahahaha…. Imagine 10 great white sharks fighting over a cock tail weenie. hehehehe that is what it would be like. hehahahaha
Liberals have been running this country for over 200 years and we have been doing just fine until you asshole showed up ……
Gawd im still decompresing doc.. from usenet :-/
I think I will change your name to B.M. unsteady of butnutz to save time
B.M. stands for Bowel Movement ….
In case you didn’t no :-)
Liberals have been running this country for over 200 years and we have been doing just fine until you asshole showed up ……
Commentby The Socialist— 9/5/06@ 8:54 pm
No. Them history books from liberal public schools are a bunch of half truths and lies. A liberal cant keep a news story straight from a week ago let alone write a history book.
rofl
Im tired of fighting lets try some bipartisanship………
I’ll hug your elephant if you kiss my ass……………
I [“no”] you don’t get out much[“,”] but surely you have [“herd”] of spanish [“Spanish”] Harlem in New York City’,” haven’t you[“?”] ……
Commentby The Socialist [……”The Socialist”, Top 10% in the NEA Democrat controlled public school system!]
“Sit down, everyone! The muslims promised us they will land the plane safely. We Need to trust them!” [Carl Grossman]
“Sit down on the plane! If you rush the terrorists, it will only make them mad, and create more terrorists.” [Carl Grossman]
B.M. why don’t you go over to iraq and fight the terrorists with the rest of your butt buddies……
Oh that right your a cowered….. I forgot with all your tuff talk ………….
Oh that right your a “cowered…”..
Commentby The Socialist— […..A what? hehe, JCH]
The Socialist: “GBS”???
I guess all of us liberals sound a like …..
B.M. can’t tell us apart..
or he could just be retarded
Bush Warns of Enduring Terror Threat in Speech
NO thank God he only has 2 more years in office and he will be gone
It’s interesting how when he made his confession, he described the incident as a “powerful and humbling event in his life”. Now that it turns out he fudged some of the facts, the answer from his campaign seems to be: “Hey, it was 13 years ago, he can’t be expected to remember all the details!”
I do have a hard time believing he thinks he’ll help himself by saying he “didn’t remember” being arrested (or being in handcuffs, or much of anything else that happened that night). As Goly’s post says, it paints a very unattractive picture of him absolutely falling-down drunk. And even if he DID black out and COULDN’T remember what happened, you’d think he’d have bothered to inquire about the details once he sobered up!
And I am absolutely amazed that he effectively admits to still driving after drinking, only saying that he doesn’t drink “too much” and drive. Well…I’m sure he didn’t think he’d had “too much” to drink on the night of his arrest, either. The trouble with alcohol is that it impairs one’s judgment. Way too many people have gotten behind the wheel thinking they haven’t had “too much” to drink, only to end up with a DUI citation — or worse, in a serious accident.
41, �Congress can pass laws restricting immigration by total numbers, even by nationality and presumably by eye color and still remain within the boundries of the Constitution. We can debate the wisdom (or lack thereof) of these laws, but that is not the question at hand.�
Commentby John Barelli�� 9/5/06@ 7:19 pm
43,�Just so that you cannot think that I have evaded your question �is a high level of Moslem immigration good for America?� I would answer that the First Amendment has been very good for this country, and if that includes a high level of Muslim immigration, then so be it.�
Commentby John Barelli�� 9/5/06@ 7:30 pm
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As you point out, Congress can, and did, restrict immigration by nationality. Restricting immigration from Moslem countries would restrict Moslem immigration.
And you did evade the question; the question was �is a high level of Moslem immigration good for America,� not whether or not the First Amendment has been good for the country. As I explained, Moslem immigration could be restricted by nationality. Could you answer with a yes or no to �is a high level of Moslem immigration good for America?�
As I predicted, liberals will continue to evade the question.
And I am absolutely amazed that he effectively admits to still driving after drinking, only saying that he doesn’t drink “too much” and drive. Well…I’m sure he didn’t think he’d had “too much” to drink on the night of his arrest, either. The trouble with alcohol is that it impairs one’s judgment. Way too many people have gotten behind the wheel thinking they haven’t had “too much” to drink, only to end up with a DUI citation – or worse, in a serious accident.
Commentby Laura in WA— 9/5/06@ 10:13 pm
You can say that again sweet cheeks. Hey what are you doing tonight. Do you want to go for a drive?
Laura, Hop in my Oldsmobile, Baby! [Sen Ted Kennedy, DEMOCRAT, MASS]
Ted Kennedy, and his son I might add, all DEMOCRAPIC DRUNKS – Both I might add had many Blackout Drunks, Teddy who killed a woman and never ever took one drunken step to get her help…These are your Representatives………His son was on his way to vote in the middle of the night blind drunk….
What F’n Hipocrits you are! What F’n Hipocrits you are..
Hope you injoy your drunkin drinking liberal events…Hic!
What F’n Hipocrits you are! What F’n Hipocrits you are..
As far as whether this is a campaign issue: Look, if it turned out Maria Cantwell had had an incident like this 13 years ago, I’d be disappionted, and I’d fervently hope she’d put such behavior firmly in her past, but I’d still vote for her. Not because I’d think a DUI arrest was “irrelevent” but because I’d still think helping to get something resembling a check on the Bush administration’s power is much MORE relevant, at least as far as the country’s welfare is concerned.
I don’t expect the DUI incident to sway the votes of any die-hard Republican McGavick supporters. It may, however, sway the votes of some undecided voters. And that’s legitimate. Granted, it was 13 years ago, but he showed horrendously bad judgment. Then it turned out that he couldn’t even “come clean” without fibbing on some of the details. Now it’s becoming more apparent just HOW drunk he really was, and it sounds likely that he may still drink pretty heavily. I’d say all these things could be considered relevant in deciding whether he should go to the US Senate.
Finally, regarding all the comments about the Kennedys: since McGavick isn’t running against any of the Kennedys, I don’t see how it’s relevant.
” And you did evade the question; the question was “is a high level of Moslem immigration good for America,” not whether or not the First Amendment has been good for the country. As I explained, Moslem immigration could be restricted by nationality. Could you answer with a yes or no to “is a high level of Moslem immigration good for America?”
As I predicted, liberals will continue to evade the question.
”
You know what bothers me more than muslims? Lying bloodthirsty traitors running our country. A bunch of hypocrites invading and occupying non threatening countries, and making the whole world our enemies.
The invasion of Iraq has fueled the fires of hatred. I saw an expert on Bin Laden state tonight on Newshour with Jim Lehrer that after Tora Bora Al Queda was practically extinguished. Our invasion of Iraq has given them new life. I TIVO’s the show, and can repeat what he said word for word.
The invasion of Iraq, a war based on lies has damaged our country in ways we will not be able to recover from.
It is funny how we are “spreading democracy” and at the same time kicking legitimate voters (many veterans) off our rolls for being black, and in a state controlled by Republican sleazebags like Jeb Bush, and Ken Blackwell.
Hypocrites bother me more than muslims…..
You know something though. When Democrats take back the house, and start the investigations, targeting ethnic groups to block their right to vote is illegal. Jeb Bush may be in a cell next to his brother…..
Don’t bother trying to reason with these clowns, Laura. The reality they live in bears little resemblance to the one occupied by you and I.
God, isn’t that the dude lots of people wanna kill each other over?
If God is the #1 reason for murder…….
Kinda makes “christians” and “muslims” and “jews” look kinda like murderers.
Only a little reality.
Oh I forgot. You are killing “infidels” for your own “true” god right?
It is about power, and wealth, and never has been about any “god” of the sort.
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You may be right. It probably will sway some people against Mike! We know the dems have no morals because of Kennedy,Byrd,Clinton ect. I still hope Mike wins because he is the better candidate. I will give him a second chance.
Hey Mike? There is a good AA meeting at Fremont Fellowship every night. It has a bunch of folks there that Reagan’s trickle “up” didn’t reach…..
Maybe you should attend, tell your story. I am sure they will be able to relate. Most of them have also had blackouts, and their DUI’s caused them serious problems, just like yours….
I have an idea Mike? Why don’t you tell the truth. Let the voters of Washington State know you want to be in the Senate so you can rob the taxpayers blind helping out the people that paid for you, and your friends campaigns. Giving taxcuts to other millionares while the rest of us see our wages going down year after year.
Holy shit guys… you better get Maria the Fucking Liar to ban drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
What the fuck are you going to do when “peak production” is proven AGAIN to be bullshit? The only way to make it true is through legislation.
How many of you have started your own actblue.com page like me and Goldie.
We are able to raise enough cash to compete this year thank god. All from grassroots fundraising, and not the corporate pork most of the Republicans rely on.
http://www.actblue.com/page/timeforchange
So far I have raised $927.00 for Washington State Democrats (and one running against the witch Jean Schmidt).
Start your own actblue.com fundraising page. It is easy. Hit up your friends, and family. They want to see our country change for the better too.
�Sit down on the plane! If you rush the terrorists, it will only make them mad, and create more terrorists.� [Carl Grossman]
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy� 9/5/06@ 9:19 pm
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Good one,JCH.
Thank You for the idea Goldie. By the way, Peter Goldmark called me this evening and thanked me…..
Kinda makes “christians” and “muslims” and “jews” look kinda like murderers.
Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 9/5/06@ 10:32 pm
What about a known pissed off liberal in Seattle like Haq? How many more Haqs are there?
JCH @ 73:
JCH believe that I would try to calm passengers into sitting if terrorists were to take over a plane I was on. Without overstating and without bragging, here are the facts:
1. Since 911 I have requested an isle seat, each and everytime I fly. I am trained and quite capable in close combat situations.
2. Fear does motivate me in that I am afraid to fail. I will not die without a fight, I will not fail my fellow travelers, I will honor my family and my country. Hooah!
JCH is hot air. He wishes and dreams he was man enough to stand up and be counted. The sad fact is that he is a lost soul searching, in vain, to make himself relevant here.
JCH is just an old man with lost memories and more than his share of bitterness.
He is completely irrelevant. Not only here, but at home too. No wife, no life, no goals, nothing to live for….really JCH, the business end of the Combat Commander might be your only honorable way out from the web of lies you have spun here. It only hurts for as long as you hear the click.
Don’t have to start our own pages you duh……, we just go to http://www.joe2006.com/ and pages like that and donate as I did…
Damn, this ain’t rocket science……………………..
“No wife, no life, no goals, nothing to live for……..”
Commentby My Left Foot ……………………………………. [“No wife?” That’s news to Mrs. JCH. “No goals?”……………Hmmmmmmmmmm…….To fuck with your head evry day pops into my mind!…………..”nothing to live for”…………..Breyer’s chocolate mint seems to be my reason for living right now!!!] [BTW, Carl……….I fucking OWN you!!!!]
“Sit down, everyone! The muslims promised us they will land the plane safely. We need to trust them!” [Democrat Carl Grossman]
“No wife, no life, no goals, nothing to live for……..”
Commentby My Left Foot ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. [“No wife?” That’s news to Mrs. JCH. “No goals?”……………Hmmmmmmmmmm…….To fuck with your head every day pops into my mind!…………..”nothing to live for”…………..Breyer’s chocolate mint seems to be my reason for living right now!!!] [BTW, Carl……….I fucking OWN you!!!!]
“Attention: Sit down, everyone! The muslims promised us they will land the plane safely if we are nice to them. We need to trust them! They have rights and we must not offend their believes!” [Democrat Carl Grossman]
100,000 Ex-Felons Gain Right To Vote In Tennessee – In Time For November Elections
On September 5, 2006 at the Clarksville – Montgomery County Board of
Education, Building 621 Gracey Ave., Clarksville, TN, starting at 6:30 p.m.
a special panel of guests that will include:
Representatives from the Election Commission, TN Bar Association, The
Brennan Center for Justice, as well as a Former Convicted Felon who will
vote for the first time in his life, will participate in a “Get Your Right
to Vote Back” Town Hall Meeting.
What was once the country’s most confusing voter restoration system, with
six different procedures and sub-categories for restoration, has now been
streamlined into a single restoration process which will give back the
state’s 100,000 former felons their right to vote, has many of them flocking
to town hall meetings hosted by the ACLU & NAACP across the state.
The meeting is expected to be attended by Former Felons, Family Members of
Former Felons, Attorneys, Law Enforcement, City & County Officials, Judges,
Politicians, Church Clergy, Etc. and a tentatively scheduled special
appearance by TN Governor Phil Bredesen, who signed the bill into law in
June 2006.
The League of Women Voters will be on hand to conduct voter registration for
Former Felons and any other potential voters in the Community.
We urge you, the Media, to come out to cover and learn more about this
important voting rights issue. […………………………………..Carl Grossman and the NAACP are “gettin out da MoFo vote”!!! Marlboros, KFC, and lots of King Cobra to wash down the KFC “crispies”!!]
JCH @ 73:
JCH believe that I would try to calm passengers into sitting if terrorists were to take over a plane I was on. Without overstating and without bragging, here are the facts:
1. Since 911 I have requested an isle seat, each and everytime I fly. I am trained and quite capable in close combat situations.
2. Fear does motivate me in that I am afraid to fail. I will not die without a fight, I will not fail my fellow travelers, I will honor my family and my country. Hooah!
JCH is hot air. He wishes and dreams he was man enough to stand up and be counted. The sad fact is that he is a lost soul searching, in vain, to make himself relevant here.
JCH is just an old man with lost memories and more than his share of bitterness.
He is completely irrelevant. Not only here, but at home too. No wife, no life, no goals, nothing to live for….really JCH, the business end of the Combat Commander might be your only honorable way out from the web of lies you have spun here. It only hurts for as long as you hear the click.
Commentby My Left Foot [whine…..whine………bitch…..bitch……..complain………complain………Carl Grossman, the Jewish “ex wife”!!!!!!!]
Read em and weep folks………Your 2008 presidential hopefuls are sucking wind……………..Ole Nancy brings up the bottom of the barrel as usual…………….
So, here is the breakdown of the top 20 leaders, with the mean scores for each politician with the percentage not knowing enough about the individual to rate him or her.
1) Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani – 64.1 (12)
2) Sen. John McCain of Arizona – 57.5 (15)
3) Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice – 56.8 (7)
4) Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois – 54.9 (54)
5) Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman – 49.5 (17)
6) John Edwards, the 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee – 48.5 (22)
7) Former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner – 47.7 (73)
8) Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney – 46.8 (69)
9) President George W. Bush – 46.4 (1)
10) New York Sen. Hillary Clinton – 46.1 (1)
11) Former Vice President Al Gore – 45.5 (2)
12) Sen. Bill Frist of Tennessee – 45.5 (53)
13) Sen. George Allen of Virginia- 44.8 (72)
14) Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware – 44.6 (53)
15) Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana – 43.6 (75)
16) Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts – 43.5 (6)
17) Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin – 40.5 (66)
18) Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut – 39.8 (65)
19) Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada – 37.9 (65)
20) Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California- 34.7 (53)
JCH believe that I would try to calm passengers into sitting if terrorists were to take over a plane I was on. Without overstating and without bragging, here are the facts:
“I, Carl Grossman, am a Nancy Pelosi Democrat who sides with the Muuuuuuuuslim terrorists because I hate George Bush. I am a pussy.”
Commentby My Left Foot
“If we can just have “warm Democrat communications” with the terrorists, they promise to land us safely at JFK”. [Carl Grossman]
“Attention: Sit down, everyone! The muslims promised us they will land the plane safely if we are nice to them. We need to trust them! They have human rights and we must not offend their believes!” [Democrat Carl Grossman]
JCH in post 116 claims that he owns me. I am not the one mentioning me in every post I slap up here on HO. Seems JCH is doing a bit of projecting. I am the one in his head, he can’t post without mentioning me and speaking directly to me, yet I have not once in the last several days even bothered to address him. Funny how that works. Remember, Vote early, Vote Often, Vote Democrat. Just to piss him off.
GS:
I promise not to vote for a Kennedy this year. Will you promise not to vote for McGavick?
“Go ahead and fuck me up the ass, I don’t have a disease.”
–John Craig
“Good, I don’t have any condoms anyway!”
–Rufus
americafirst @ 26
“The theme of my post is that libs refuse to even consider limits upon Moslem immigration. I haven’t seen any lib refute that”
Sure, pal. You assert something without offering a shred of support beyond your ignorant opinion, then claim that because no one “refuted” your claim that it should stand as fact. You know, after kindergarten that’s not how it works in the real world. You have to have some facts on your side and to be able to convincingly make a case for your claims. We KNOW you have ignorant and bigoted opinions; it’s up to you to convince us that you have something more. So far it’s been pretty slim pickings.
Janet S at 36: “Didn’t the FEC agree with McGavick about the millionaire clause? If so, how does that make it a McGavick lie? I guess if you just write huge paragraphs, no one will spend the time to call you on the details.”
I’m glad you brought up that issue. First of all, just because McGavick can convince the FEC of a lie, doesn’t mean I have to accept it. Can you name one time McGavick has even mentioned his Repubolican primary oppponants, other than to the FEC? He’s clearly not running against them. And why aren’t his Republican Opponants trying to invoke the Millionaire’s Amendment so their individual donar limits are raised? Well, it could be because their donars wouldn’t give any more money anyway, but its more likely that they aren’t real challengers. None of them have had a single bad thing to say about McGavick. They are just in it for the show.
I noticed that shortly after the pending FEC decision was leaked, McGavick pulled out the strongest anti-Cantwell ads and hit the air with them. Remember Nixon’s press secretary, Ron Ziegler, who made famous the claim that positions could be “operative” at one time, and not at other times? That seems to be symptomatic of McGavick’s positions.
McGavick wants the rules to apply to Cantwell, but not to him. He wants to get 28.4 million in corporate contributions (err “bonus”) for his campaign, but want’s Cantwell’s donars limited to individuals contributing not more than $2,200 each (I forget the actual number, its something like that). He’s willing to lie to the FEC about who he is really campaigning against to gain the advantage. Maybe the FEC swallows that lie, but I sure don’t have to, and neither do the voters of Washington State.
I just check the Zeigler quote to make sure I got it right. I found this reference:
“Ron Ziegler — Nixon press secretary whose utterances include this classic: “This is the operative statement. The others are inoperative.””
“The White House funneled millions of dollars through major Republican Party contributors to Sen. Joseph Lieberman’s primary campaign in a failed effort to ensure the support of the former Democrat for the Bush administration.”
http://www.insightmag.com/Medi.....erman2.htm
(SLOW-LOADING PAGE)
As mre and more news of Republicans being Holy Joe’s sole source of support comes out, I’m pretty sure that Democrats will desert him for Lamont, and Joe will lose. Good.
““I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Wow. So much to answer here. Don’t any of you folks ever sleep, or interact with live humans?
Ok, on to the posts.
Americafirst. Let me try being even more clear. I don’t know whether a large Muslim influx will eventually be good for the country.
Still, we can look at history for some idea. Even with all the cries of doom and gloom back when we were getting a bunch of Catholic immigrants, and many folks were saying that they would destroy our country, they’ve done well and become good citizens.
Every one of my great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents were immigrants from that wave. Without that influx, we would not be having that conversation, as my ancestors would have stayed in Italy and Ireland. Go back into your history books and look at the protests against Catholic immigration. You will note that they sound very familiar.
Now, if I had the perspective of an Iroquois, my answer might well be different. If all of your ancestors are pure-blood members of one of the Native American (I hate that term) tribes, you are welcome to disagree about the benefits of immigration.
I have no reason to believe it will be different for Muslims, so I would lean towards “yes”, but regardless of that, I think that violating the First Amendment would be very bad for this country. Seems to me that makes further discussion moot.
Clear enough?
Janet S
The FEC ruled that McGavick could use the funds as he pleases during the primary campaign, but that ANY of that same eprsonal money he uses after the primary will go toward a possible invocation of the so-called “millionaire’s clause.”
Today’s Investors Business Daily had a good piece (page A-12)about how Karl Rove was falsely convicted in the media about having “outed” Valerie Plame. The New York Times actually pretty much apologized when it was found that Richard Armitage, not Rove, was the guy responsible for outing Ms. Plame. (Funny thing about her, though: she’s the only CIA agent that was on the cover of Vanity Fair in a Jag convertible. Oh well…)
I stated before that the traditional media is biased. This is just another example.
Karl Rove may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he’s not a son-of-a-bitch for outing Valerie Plame. Richard Armitage can claim title to that one.
Left Foot at 114: I also sit on the Isle seat. I know enough about aircraft to know what is already on board the plane that I can use as a weapon against terrorists (no, I’m not going to list those items here). I also used to play center in football, and I’m a pretty big guy, but not too fast. If a hijacking takes place, the one closest to me would be quickly pinned to the floor, probably with a broken neck. There’s nothing a box-cutter can do to me that won’t prevent that from happening.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”- Will Rogers.
Commentby The Socialist— 9/5/06@ 7:59 pm
“Ok how about every one that beleaves in god can go Including jews and Muslims they can all go beat each other over the heard some place else please and leave the rest of us in peace….”
At this point, I’m surprised that JCH or Americafirst didn’t jump up and down in glee, yelling “see what libruls really think of Christians! See! See! I wuz right!”
Ok, Socialist. Despite our agreement on most social and political issues, you would have me leave. Not the first time I’ve been asked to go away.
You would have Goldy and Carl leave (Jewish).
Their spouses (Catholic, I believe.)
Name almost any major political figure in the Democratic Party. That person would be out. Perhaps not such a big loss.
People from all walks of life. Grocers, truckers, doctors, Soldiers, factory workers, farmers, the list goes on and on. None of these folks having done you any harm. We should all leave, because you don’t like the sound of singing on Sunday (or Saturday, or Friday).
If you want to have polite religious debate, I will happily oblige, as time permits. I actually have a job and family, along with helping my State Senate candidate. (Derek Kilmer – Great guy, nice family, he’d have to leave too. We go to the same church.) I’m using my real name and can be reached by e-mail at jbarelli at barelli dot org. (I already get enough spam.)
You do understand that if everyone that you disagree with has to leave, you’ll be getting pretty lonely by-and-by.
John Barelli,
Socialist hasn’t been playing with a full deck of cards for a helluva long time. He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.
So Disney/ABC is editing the 9/11 Documentary because it hurt the Clintons? Maybe some of you moonbats will learn what we’ve known in the books published after 2000.
This thread is getting pretty old (and long), so I suspect there will be a new one posted soon. I’ll re-post this again when that happens, because I think this merits some attention.
On Labor Day some friends of mine joined us for a barbeque at my house. The weather was nice, the food was good (if I say so myself), and the company was great.
But my friend took me aside, and pulled out a piece of paper from his pocket, and asked me to look at it. It was one of those notices from the IRS, saying that taxes were owed, and he had a limited amount of time to contest the determination or pay the taxes.
At first I thought it was the usual stuff the IRS brings up. You know, somebody made a math mistake on their tax return, or they forgot to include some income which came to the IRS attention when a miscellanious income report was filed with the IRS.
But this was completely different. It said that because his employer had not paid his withholding tax to the IRS, the IRS was revoking his tax refund for 2004.
Now, for those familiar with the system as I have worked with it for the past twenty years or so, it works like this. The employer deducts the employment taxes from the employee’s paycheck. The employer then becomes the “trustee” of the money for the government, and is obligated to pay all 941 taxes to the government on schedule. If they fail to do so, the government takes quick action to collect the money, including shutting down the business to avoid incuring additional liabilities, and seizing and selling the assets to cover the debt. If the employer is a corporation, the IRS will issue a “100% Responsible Officer Penalty” against all the officers of the corporation, often including the bookeeper and anyone having signature authority on the payroll checks, which in effect “pierces the corporate veil” and makes it in everyone’s interest to pay off the IRS 941 taxes as soon as possible.
Except in the case of a closely held corporation, the IRS is in no position to know whether the taxes which were deducted from his wages were actually paid to the IRS. Only the IRS, and the employer itself, is in a position to know that.
So this is very new to me. Has there been some change in IRS regulations recently which allow the IRS to collect 941 taxes from the employee????? Is this how Bush plans to help balance the budget – by reducing the IRS enforcement budget, and taking the employer’s IRS debt out of employee paychecks instead????
Roger Cressey, former Chief of Staff to the President’s Critical Infrastructure Protection Board at the White House from November 2001 to September 2002, on Joe Scarborough’s show last night:
CRESSY: Joe, it’s amazing, based on what I’ve seen so far is how much they’ve gotten wrong. They got the small stuff wrong such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed instructing Ahmed Rassam to carry out the millenium attacks. Then they got the big stuff wrong, this fantasy about how we had a CIA officer and the Northern Alliance leader Ahmed Massoud looking at Bin Laden and they breathlessly call the White House to say we need to take him out and the White House said no. I mean it’s sheer fantasy. So, if they want to critique the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, based on fact, I think that’s fine. But what ABC has done here is something straight out of Disney and fantasyland. It’s factually wrong. And that’s shameful.
SCARBOROUGH: But at the same time, doesn’t history show that Bill Clinton had several opportunities to go after bin Laden, but the President and his cabinet were afraid to do so because they may offend some people in the Arab world?
CRESSY: Actually, Joe, that had nothing to do with it. If you read the 9/11 Commission report, it makes it very clear. In most of those cases, George Tenet, the Director of the CIA, said because there was single source intelligence it was his recommendation to the President not to take the shot. There was never a case where we had a clear shot at Bin Laden and the decision to take it wasn’t made.
Here is a patently absurd comment from JDB:
“John Craig: I’m about as Muslim as you have a chance of finding a big black man to “Tookie” you tonight. The only difference between you and me is that I have no desire to be a Muslim, while all you can think about is a large black man having his way with you. Commentby JDB— 9/5/06@ 6:08 pm
You lefty moonbats are looking forward to their women wearing burqas. We on the right are not!
ATJ: Have you read LT. Col. Patterson’s book? Sandy Berger NEVER REFUTED IT! Check the Internet.
Good try! Drop your prejudices!
Yeah, what would a former top Bush administration counter-terrorism expert know? He didn’t write an anti-Clinton screed published by Regnery.
Puddybud: I hope ABC/Disney is editing that trash mockumentary because it is spewing wingnut fantasy lies.
we’ve known in the books published after 2000.
Regnery books? Books by Murdoch hack writers?
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
ATJ Didn’t read the book! What else is new.
From Amazon.com
Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Robert “Buzz” Patterson was a military aide to President Clinton from May 1996 to May 1998 and one of five individuals entrusted with carrying the “nuclear football”—the bag containing the codes for launching nuclear weapons. This responsibility meant that he spent a considerable amount of time next to the president, giving him a unique perspective on the Clinton administration. Though he arrived at the job “filled with professional devotion and commitment to serve,” he left believing that Clinton had “sown a whirlwind of destruction upon the integrity of our government, endangered our national security, and done enormous harm to the American military in which I served.”
Dereliction of Duty is not a personal attack on President Clinton or a commentary on his various scandals; rather, it is a “frank indictment of his obvious—to an eyewitness—failure to lead our country with responsibility and honor.” Lt. Col. Patterson offers a damning list of anecdotes and charges against the President, including how Clinton lost the nuclear codes and shrugged it off; how he stalled and lost the opportunity to launch a direct strike on Osama bin Laden at a confirmed location; how the President and the First Lady, and much of their staff, consistently treated members of the military with disrespect and disdain; and how Clinton groped a female Air Force enlisted member while aboard Air Force One, among other incidents large and small. A considerable portion of this slim book is devoted to the myriad ways in which President Clinton undermined the military, and hence the security, of the nation. He seriously questions Clinton’s decisions to send troops to Somalia, Rwanda, Haiti, and Bosnia to accomplish non-military tasks without clear objectives. Having participated in each of these engagements, Lt. Col. Patterson personally “experienced the frustration of needlessly wasted lives, effort, and national prestige” as well as the alarmingly low morale that Clinton inspired.
This is certainly not the first anti-Clinton book, but it is different in that Patterson does not seem to have a political ax to grind. In fact, at times, he appears apologetic about having to write about his ex-commander in chief. Yet, in the end, this retired soldier felt his last act of service should be to share his experience with his country. –Shawn Carkonen
Enjoy moonbats
Notice I ignored the ranting lunatic Clueless? It’s the only way you can make a point on ASSHeads. Full of appeasers!
Maybe Regnery gets the books because the MSM publishers don’t want to publish books negative to moonbats?
I notice you forgot this, also on the Amazon page:
From Publishers Weekly
No man is a hero to his valet-or his personal military aide, to judge by this memoir of the Clinton White House by a retired Air Force colonel who carried Clinton’s “nuclear football” and had intimate access to the President from morning jog to evening card game. Although Patterson claims to have no political agenda and to personally like the man, he revisits all the familiar touchstones of conservative Clinton-hatred (he also suggests that the former president bears some responsibility for the events of 9/11). In Patterson’s account, Clinton emerges as a careless, disingenuous frat boy, mercilessly hen-pecked by the domineering Hillary, whose tirades leave him looking like a “beaten puppy.” He presides over a chaotic administration focused on spin and fund-raising; he fondles an Air Force One stewardess and ogles Patterson’s wife in the Oval Office; he loses the nuclear launch codes; and he cheats at golf-which Patterson views as “not just a peccadillo but symptomatic of the way he approached life.” Patterson also asserts that Clinton “directly and severely harmed this nation’s security.” Clinton debilitated the military, Patterson claims, by downsizing it, trying to remove the ban on homosexuals and put women in combat roles, “gutting morale” with pay freezes and “rudderless” peace-keeping missions, and turning it into an “armed social services agency.” Worst of all, Clinton was soft on terrorism and missed a chance to get bin Laden with cruise missiles. Patterson raises important issues, but he seems most often affronted by what he sees as Clinton’s belief that he “was privileged to conduct himself at a much lower code of conduct than the men or women he would repeatedly order into harm’s way.” There’s a case to be made for Clinton’s laxness on security matters, but Patterson’s rendition is too anecdotal and brief, as well as too disgruntled – offended, even – to convince many.
Enjoy wingnuts.
Do we really want to elect a US Senator who can’t bother to check the facts (ie, read the arrest report) before making it a campaign issue?
IF you could see only one film concerning the war on terror, that film should be United 93, which is screening in cinemas. Monday is the fifth anniversary of the terror attacks on September 11 in New York, on the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania. The film is a magnificent re-creation of the events on United Flight 93, the only one of the four hijacked planes that did not hit the terrorists’ target. [………………………………………………………………“Attention: Sit down, everyone! The muslims promised us they will land the plane safely if we are nice to them. We need to trust them! They have human rights and we must not offend their believes!” [Democrat Carl Grossman] ]
rhp6033 @ 144,
I sympathize with your friend’s bad luck of having an employer that is not forwarding txes witheld from your friend’s check. This is another example of the mean-spirtied agency created by the support of Progressives (and I don’t mean the people who call themselves “progressive” on this blog)and other Socialists of about 100 years ago.
Enactment of a progressive income tax was the single biggest blow to individual liberty, primarily because of what resulted from creation of the IRS. When income taxes were enacted, the federal government got first lien on workers’ paychecks. If one gets unlucky enough to have to go to tax (i.e., “kangaroo”) court, he or she is automatically guilty. The tax court, you see, is a “special court,” just as evil as anything the most foul totalitarian dictator could think up.
The reason your friend got whacked in his paycheck is that the IRS doesn’t care where the money comes from, they just grab it from whatever source is most convenient. If his employer didn’t send in the $$$, the IRS reasons that it’s still the “taxpayer’s responsibility” to make sure the government gets first dibs on his our her paycheck.
The only way to restore personal freedom is to do away with income taxes in favor of a national sales tax instead.
Libertarian,
We finally disagree! Hell, no to your national sales tax!
From post 156
[………………………………………………………………?Attention: Sit down, everyone! The muslims (Muslims) promised us they will land the plane safely if we are nice to them. We need to trust them! They have human rights and we must not offend their believes (beliefs)!? [Democrat Carl Grossman] ]
Grade: D- JCH has made up quotes, did not use spell check, and the first half of his post was cut and pasted with no credit given to the original author. JCH has potential, but continually refuses to use it. Recomend scheduling a parent/teacher conference ASAP.
typo in 159, recommend has two M’s
IF you could see only one film concerning the war on terror, that film should be United 93, which is screening in cinemas. Monday is the fifth anniversary of the terror attacks on September 11 in New York, on the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania. The film is a magnificent re-creation of the events on United Flight 93, the only one of the four hijacked planes that did not hit the terrorists’ target. [………………………………………………………………“Attention: Sit down, everyone! The Muuuuuuuuuslims promised us they will land the plane safely if we are nice to them. We need to trust them! They have human rights and we must not offend their believes! We need to chant, “BUSH NO GOOD! BUSH NO GOOD!” [Democrat Carl Grossman] ]
Puddybud Mo Money Ray Nagin
“Maybe Regnery gets the books because the MSM publishers don’t want to publish books negative to moonbats?”
Or maybe you just pull ideas out of your ass.
Puddybud
“Sandy Berger NEVER REFUTED IT! ”
Speaking of “patently absurd comments,” some individual having “never refuted” an absurdity does not make said absurdity into anything resembling fact.
Carl, what is the Hebrew word for the Jews that helped guard the other Jew “internees” for the Germans? For being traitors to their fellow Jews, they were given food and special privileges by the Nazis. Thanks in advance. JCH
We finally disagree! Hell, no to your national sales tax!
Commentby sgmmac— 9/6/06@ 10:54 am
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We probably disagree about more than just national sales tax versus income taxes, sgmmac. Income taxes is just one of my hot-buttonissues. I’d like to do away with the IRS because it represents an intrusive and abusive government.
What I like abou the national sales tax idea is that the “taxpayer” is essentially invisible. Tax is paid at the point of sale, and the taxpayer is anonymoust to the feds. No forms to fill-out in April, to record keeping for individuals – it’s a great idea for those who wish to diminish the power of the federal government.
Libertarian
“Today’s Investors Business Daily had a good piece (page A-12)about how Karl Rove was falsely convicted in the media about having “outed” Valerie Plame. The New York Times actually pretty much apologized when it was found that Richard Armitage, not Rove, was the guy responsible for outing Ms. Plame.”
Richard Armitage called someone and told them about covert agent Valerie WILSON. There is still an open question as to who leaked the name under which she performed her covert ops.
“(Funny thing about her, though: she’s the only CIA agent that was on the cover of Vanity Fair in a Jag convertible. Oh well…)”
Valeri Plame’s LIFE was not secret; it was her status as a covert operative that was. She was, for example, openly married to Joseph Wilson (thus the cover). Duh. It was her work in the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division running the the Joint Task Force on Iraq investigating Iraqi WMD that was covert. Where have you been?
“Karl Rove may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he’s not a son-of-a-bitch for outing Valerie Plame. Richard Armitage can claim title to that one.”
Karl Rove may very well be both, but it’s much more likely, if it happens, that he would be indicted for lying to federal investigators and obstructing justice than for revealing the identity of a covert operative. Not because he did or didn’t do it but because the statute is rarely used and has an extremely high bar.
Commentby Libertarian
JCH
Re: Muslims. “They have human rights…”
Damn fucking right they do. ANd they are entitled to the presumption of innocence, trial by jury, due process, and equal protection under our Constitution. Either they do, or you don’t either.
Daddy Love,
I suppose that “mea culpa” by the NY Times was just a pulicity stunt??
Yesterday President Bush made a speech to the Military Officers Association in Washington D.C. The transcript can be found in the reading assignments.
One part of the speech is especially interesting. Bush was discussing some of the messages that our intelligence forces have found in captured Al Qaeda documents. Here’s a portion of Bush’s speech where he discusses a letter from Osama bin Laden to Taliban leader Mullah Omar.
Secondly, along with this campaign of terror, the enemy has a propaganda strategy. Osama bin Laden laid out this strategy in a letter to the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, that coalition forces uncovered in Afghanistan in 2002. In it, bin Laden says that al Qaeda intends to “launch,” in his words, “a media campaign to create a wedge between the American people and their government.” This media campaign, bin Laden says, will send the American people a number of messages, including “that their government will bring them more losses in finances and casualties.” And he goes on to say that “they are being sacrificed to serve the big investors, especially the Jews.” Bin Laden says that by delivering these messages, al Qaeda “aims at creating pressure from the American people on the American government to stop their campaign against Afghanistan.”
So … a question. Are you living up to Osama’s expectations? If you’re a Democrat, or if you’re living in a tree house in Crawford, Texas, the answer is probably “yes.”
JCH, you’re bin Laden’s wet dream come true. Why? Because you support Bush, who is in bed with the whole bin Laden family.
Bush supporters are with the terrorists.
You traitor.
Rather than continue to beat him up over the DUI, why not discuss the substance of his lobbying and his running of SAFCO and the duplicity, ommissions and ouright lies. How about discussing his lead role for the insurance companies to limit liability in hazardous waste cases. What kind of being or character does that make him?
Yesterday President Bush made a speech to the Military Officers Association in Washington D.C. [………………………..Sorry, GBS, E-3s were not invited. Now, swap the deck, and then report for mess cook duties.]
Roger at 171: Good points.
165,
That maybe a worthy cause for the tax to be abolished, but the hardship it would create on the poor and the working class would be too much to bear for most of them.
There are several panel members on Fox business shows that regularly cry out for a national sales tax to replace our current system. They want it for purely economic reasons so that they will save their millions.
Do you also want to eliminate driver’s licenses? social security cards? vehicle registrations? hunting, fishing and gun permits?
Everything you do or buy these days ID’s you to local, state and federal government agencies…………..
Notice I ignored the ranting
Ignore me all you want Puddy but I’m never going to be silent in the face of wingnut lies and propaganda. I’m going to denounce it and if I feel like it – laugh at it.
Did a moonbat @175 say something?
Did some brainwashed wingnut who is always wrong about everything say something?
sgmmac,
If you’re a Republican, you’re doing a pretty good job of covering it up.
I thought for a bit that you were leaning towards being a Libertarian, but I think now that you’re more of a Democrat than either a Republican or a Libertarian.
Paris Hilton got popped for drunk driving last night. That event is about as relevant was McGavick’s DUI 13 years ago. Neither events is relevant to anything when youget right down to it.
Mike is just another big gov, out of control spending politician it seems. He purposed making another big gov boondoogle where all welfare recips who have children, take mandatory drug test and mandatory treatment if “abusing” illegal drugs. Hey Mike, why not your favorite drug, Alcohol?
On the other hand, he’s been trying to sound conservative by saying if members of Congress don’t balance budget dock their pay 5%.
These guys are worse than crackheads spewing out both sides of their mouth.
Americans it’s take to wake up! Vote Libertarian and get a responsible Government.