Wing-nuts roasting on an open fire,
Jack boots stomping through the snow,
Yuletide pundits join the paranoid choir
That claims that Christmas has a foe.
Bill O’Reilly knows this turkey of a president
Needs an enemy to fight,
So the ACLU, and George Soros too
Now find it hard to sleep at night.
They know the boobs who watch Fox News
Will blame the “War on Christmas” on the liberal Jews.
And every mother’s child will look in scorn,
To see if Soros really has devil’s horns.
And so I’m offering this simple phrase
To wing-nuts, one to ninety-two,
Although you’d prefer it be said different ways:
Happy Holidays… fuck you!
(With apologies to Mel Torme and Bob Wells… and nobody else.)
Cool, Nazi allusion before any other lefties can respond….
You’ve outdone yourself in spreading the joy of Christmas…
NOT
Is there some reason Mr. Goldstein should feel at all obligated to “spread the joy of Christmas”? Because we need the retail boost to help add to the trade deficit with Asia? So they can loan us more money, and buy more oil?
Yeah, yeah, I know. That’s not what Christmas is really about…
WoooT. That one deserves a beer at the next DL.
Seasons Greetings!
What did all that accomplish?
What does O’Reilly and Gibson accomplish?
I saw a bit on TV once where O’Reilly and Franken were at some book promotion deal. Franken was doing his level best to attack O’Reilly and Fox News, and O’Reilly sat there and took it, not saying a thing.
Then it was O’Reilly’s turn to hype his book as Franken had done. (It was, after all, a place where Molly Ivins, O’Reilly and Franken were engaged in some shameless capitalism.) As O’Reilly started to speak, Franken kept interrupting him. At some point, O’Reilly turned to Franken and yelled, Shut up, Franken! You’ve had your turn!”
And Franken acted like a scared little girl, nearly wetting his pants! He was actually cowering! I was hoping O’Reilly would go over and slap the the little weasel, but O’Reilly didn’t. But the whiney little weakling Franken shut his mouth.
Franken deserved the puiblic humilation, and I bet he’s scared to death of O’Reilly to this day. And that’s a good thing becuse Franken is a worthless POS.
So, For the Clueless, I guess you can say o’Reilly at least accomplished THAT!
WC,
I saw the same thing or something similar and if I were Franken I’d be scared too. O’Reilly is as crazy as an outhouse rat.
And a sincere Happy Hanukkah to you Goldy!
I hope you won’t have a problem with that wish!
Goldy!
I wish you a wonderful… well… whatever it is your people do this time of year! /snark
I still don’t know what holidays he is referring to. I”m fine w/ Christmas and Hannaukah.
ps, why the profanity. Is this how you answer your phone?
Woe is us!
First they take away Judeo-Xmas,
next they’ll come for our XBoXmas,
and then our XXXmas,
and then …
Still wondering about “plural holidays”
If there are only 2 holidays, what are you guys peddling…are you saying some generic winter imaginary holidays?
Why not just wish one and all merry christmas and happy hannukah?
Merry Christmas Goldstein.
I know if I point out that this post was childish, or lessens your credibility, etc. that you will just defend yourself by claiming that you were only joking, just like when you selected that insightful passage from “A Christmas Carol.”
It’s a National Holiday and a benevolent seasonal greeting. It’s not a religious afront any more than words from Hebrew that we’ve adopted into the English language.
Merry Christmas.
and then …
…Left Behind!
Say, I saw a very similar O’Reilly/Franken encounter … but in this one, Franken caught O’Reilly in an bald-faced lie (claiming awards he’d never won), and O’Reilly was looking for cover from the moderator. And in mine, Franken was glowering, not cowering, as O’Reilly desperately tried to change the subject.
Also, my money would be on Franken (the stocky former wrestler) over O’Reilly (who has combat flashbacks without ever having been in combat).
Say, I wonder if there’s streaming video of that confrontation someplace handy on the web? (heh, heh)
Happy New Year, righton.
Hmmm … secret domestic spying … no judicial or congressional oversight … antiwar groups targeted … what do you want to bet this has much more to do with harassing critics than catching terrorists?
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O’Reilly? Isn’t he the guy who sexually harassed a female producer? And didn’t Ward Cleaver cheat on his wife? Last I heard, Beaver Cleaver was doing 5 to 15 in San Quentin for armed robbery …
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You forgot Winter Soltice! Why are you slighting Sun Worshippers, asshole?
Does anyone know why righton hates Sun Worshippers? or why he hates America?
Hey Repug trolls — who are you guys gonna run against Hillary now that you’ve dumped Pirro? Low Tax Looper?
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Here we go. From < a href="http://www.booktv.org/misc/BookExpo_053103.asp">BookTV.org, 2003-05-31, see the Franken/O’Reilly smackdown. Poor O’Reilly.
Merry Xmas, Ward Cleaver. Ho, Ho, Ho!
HoHoHo! HoHoHoHoHo! HoHoHoHoHoHoHoHoHoHoHoHoHoHo! and Hee-Haw!
John McDonald @13,
And Merry Christmas to you. I have no problem with “Merry Christmas.” What I have a problem with is people saying that the more inclusive and generic “Happy Holidays” or “Seasons Greetings” is somehow an insult to Christiandom. This whole “war on Christmas” bullshit is just plain stupid… and I’m happily endeavoring to help point that out.
Recent research at the Roger Rabbit Institute of Political Studies reveals that beating up your mother is a more effective electoral strategy than murdering your opponent.
For example, in the case study below, the mother beater outpolled the murderer by 34.7%. However, it should be noted that neither of these strategies proved a winner for the Republican candidates who tried them.
Ron Sims – 55.6%
David “Mother Beater” Irons – 39.5%
Write-In Candidate – 95.2%
Low Tax Looper – 4.8%
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“Christiandom”
Goldy — I believe this should be “Christendom.”
goldy……the only thing you managed to point out was your own intolenance and vulgarity.
smooth…and nice timing too. and you were doing so well without four letter words. why you had an entire post without them today and then this………oops.
if you think that this childish rant somehow “proves” that there is not a war on christmas then you must be clueless.heh heh heh yet another freudian slip on my part….sorry.
merry christmas goldy.
may you get a big dose of maturity in your stocking[?] on christmas morning.
Don’t any of you rightwingers have a sense of humor? You guys get your panties in a twist over just about anything. Loosen up. Have a drink. You’ll live longer.
Happy Holidays, Goldy!
Merry Christmas, folks…
It is not a matter over the form of the greeting. Inclusive works if you are sincere. Having a “big & bad” business telling you how to do it makes it insincere, since a person may be accustomed to a pro forma family-ingrained style Christian greeting.
Honestly are you, as a Christian, gonna jump down someone’s throat for saying Happy Holidays? Seasons Greetings?
As an agnostic, would you flip over the use of the word Christmas in public (we could haggle over government employees right to free speech on the job)?
There are many issues that political junkies gravitate to. I am the type that gravitates away from this one, since it is such a non-issue…
‘Sup to you, G-man…
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Don’t encourage them. They drink too much already.
RR
They’re not happy drunks, though, are they?
Speaking of murdering your political opponent, here’s one from Brazil:
“In September 1996, Frederico the Goat was mysteriously poisoned … by a political opponent. That’s right, the goat was running … for mayor of the northern Brazilian town of Pilar. He had been leading in public opinion polls.”
Here’s more news from the dark side:
“Gordon Shadburne was a conservative Christian county commissioner in the greater Portland, Oregon area. His first scandal was sending a letter on county stationery to local fundamentalist churches, preaching that homosexuality was ‘the stronghold of Satan.’ Not a big deal, but a bit excessive.
But when he was found to have used county money to take his sweetheart shopping in Edmonton, Alberta (of all places) the papers had a field day and he was forced to resign. Because, as you’ve guessed by now, his sweetheart was a man.”
There’s more:
“Reporters first started wondering because one of Shadburnes top aides was openly gay …. Then a number of sources reported that Shadburne had homosexual affairs himself. … Finally, the roof caved in. Shadburne quit his commissioner post amid allegations of cocaine use and pile-on orgies during a county-paid business trip ….”
dear proud leftist [goldy]…..”Don’t any of you rightwingers have a sense of humor?”
only when it’s actually funny, dear.
i guess i could ask you the same question concerning remarks made by ann coulter, right? you didn’t seem to have any sense of humor at all that time.
curious isn’t it? for any of you to think that crude, innane rambling by a bitter little man is funny.
so is everything/anything funny?
what’s good for the goose is good for the gander and all that……
dear adolf,
can’t you do anything right? you seemed to have left someone out of your “celebration”………
now ….do you still think everything is funny????
let the caterwalling begin……..
And here’s another one from Down Under. Wonder where our Oregon friends find all those weirdos?
“Drew Davis was an Oregon state legislator, Tupperware salesman and conservative leader in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He aggressively opposed gay rights, abortion and other immoralities, and brought Oliver North to Portland for a lecture on patriotic values and clean living. His political career came to an abrupt halt on August 29, 1989 when he led Newberg, Oregon police on a 15 mile car chase. When they finally got him to stop, police found pornographic magazines, a MAC 11 assault pistol, telephone bugging equipment, a police scanner, and Vicodin, a heroin-like prescription narcotic. Davis explained his actions by saying he had been addicted to narcotics for 20 years.
“That December, Davis filed suit against a Portland alternative paper for damaging his reputation. But even he only valued that reputation at $2,500; he filed in small claims court ….
“But that’s not all!! 4 years later Davis was back in the headlines due to a dispute over money he allegedly received from the Moonies. The ‘International Peace Foundation’, an alleged Moonie front group, loaned Davis $315,000 around the time of his arrest; they claimed in 1993 that Davis and his wife Lori defaulted on the loan, and filed a lien on their $507,000 home in posh Lake Oswego, the couple’s Tupperware distributorship, and other assets. Davis did not dispute the group’s ties to religious cult leader Sun Myung Moon, and said such an affiliation wouldn’t bother him. ‘These people were gracious enough to help us out,’ he said. ‘I’ll work things out with them.'”
Hmmm … wonder if the Moonies kill bet welshers??
“Cathomas Starbird (that’s not a typo) was elected to the Marin School Board on a platform of reducing school violence. …
“According to court records, Starbird went out for dinner and drinks with her husband and a female friend to celebrate his birthday. Apparently she had arranged a special birthday present, because the three headed back to Starbird’s apartment and started undressing. The trouble began when the other woman ‘refused to peform a particular sex act on her husband.’ … Starbird flipped out, and according to the [San Francisco] Chronicle, ‘punched the woman, then jumped on top of her and bit her in the face.’ Even after Starbird’s husband pulled his wife off the woman, she jumped her again and re-bit her face.”
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“They’re not happy drunks, though, are they?”
Apparently not, judging from how many of them are doing time, doing drugs, or doing kinky sex. They seem like a very maladjusted lot.
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“caterwalling”
I believe that should be “caterwauling”
thank you roger…you are absolutely right….it just didn’t look right.LOL.
Cathomas Starbird…..that’s rich. still laughing. as an official tiburon princess myself though i can tell you that if you are trying to imply that she is a republican + marin county school board…forget it.that plus she ran on one thing while obviously being another= liberal.
but that was a really good laugh………thanks again.
Roger,
I don’t know where you find this stuff but your starbird story is great!
Good catch Ron. I think I have the video somewhere. But the wingnuts will not look at it since it conflicts with their fantasies.
A message for all the jewish-americans that visit this site. I believe that it is important for you to understand the danger that secular jews (like Goldy) are putting you in. Goldy would love to create a divide between jews and christians because politics trumps sanity.
Goldy, instead of insulting christians, maybe you should focus on those that would love to put an end to your life and any other jewish person on this earth.
11/29/2005 Clip No. 962 Lebanese Students at a Hizbullah TV
Symposium: We Should Fight the Jews and Burn Them Like Hitler. Israel Should Be Wiped Off the Map.
Following are excerpts from a symposium of students at Universite Libanaise, hosted by Hizbullah’s Al-Manar TV, and broadcast on November 29, 2005.
Mediator: The Arab regimes have all accepted the establishing of a Palestinian state on the territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. In other words, the 1967 borders only. They believe that the reality and the balance of power do not allow more than that at this stage. Do you support this “realism,” or do you adhere to what has come to be known as the historical, original Palestine? Let us… Let us… Go ahead.
Student 1: My name is Hisham Sham’as, and I study political science. I just want to say everyone is talking about…
Mediator: Please address the question.
Hisham Sham’as: The state shouldn’t be only within the 1976 borders… Or rather, 1967… Israel must be wiped out.
Mediator: You mean, reviving the motto of erasing Israel from the map.
Hisham Sham’as: Israel should be completely wiped out, so the Palestinians will have a country to return to.
Mediator: If someone tells you this motto is unrealistic, how would you respond?
Hisham Sham’as: There is no such thing as unrealistic. Just as Israel… Just like Hitler fought the Jews – We are a great Islamic nation of Jihad, and we too should fight the Jews and burn them.
[…]
Student 2: Avian flu hit the entire world, and they are trying to find a cure for it now. As for Israel – the only cure for it is to wipe it off the map.
[…]
Mediator: What’s your name?
Student 3: Mahmoud Fakhri. I hope what I have to say is not too inciting.
Mediator: Go ahead and incite. This is what we’re looking for. We want some action.
Mahmoud Fakhri: In all honesty, the Arab people should overturn the disappointing regimes.
Mediator: Now you are really inciting…
Mahmoud Fakhri: In all honesty, any disappointing government that wants to normalize relations with the Zionist enemy and to sell out the Arab cause, and especially Jerusalem – the people must topple this regime and have its say.
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=962
Who here knows how many people died making Soros rich? Do any of you delerious moonbats even know how he made his money? I’ll bet you don’t. Hint, it was NOT through hard work…
Transcript and commentary on the L.A. bookfair affair :)
http://www.rotten.com/library/.....l-oreilly/
And I would also put my money on Franken in a fight.
And another article for sensible jewish-americans that have enough common sense to know who their real enemies are.
12/7/2005 Clip No. 964 Jews Turn into Apes and Pigs in an Clay-mation Film for Children on Hizbullah TV.
Middle Eastern music plays in the background of the splashing waters of the Red Sea as the scene fades into focus on the village on the shore.
Grandfather: “How beautiful is our blessed village, my child. Look at this great sea the Lord gave us, and placed us on its shore.”
Boy: “What is this village called, Grandpa?”
Grandfather:”Eilat, my child. Do you know why I brought you to the sea today?”
Boy: “No, Grandpa Shuhayr.”
Grandfather: “You must know, my child, that our village is not like any other.”
Boy: “Why, Grandpa?”
Grandfather:”The Lord made the whales and fish come of their own free will out of the sea to the shore, every Sabbath.”
Boy:“Only on the Sabbath?”
Grandfather:”Yes, my child. The Lord ordered us not to do anything at all on the Sabbath, and to stay at home to worship the Lord.”
Boy:”And what if we go out on the Sabbath?”
Grandfather:”The whales will still come out of the sea to the shore.”
Boy:”Then why shouldn’t we go out, catch them, and grill them?”
Grandfather:”Because the Lord has put us to a difficult test. If we defy Him, we will be punished most severely. I’ve brought you to the sea, and taught you this because you’ve grown up, and you must learn and observe the Lord’s commandments, just as David, the Lord’s Prophet, ordered us.”
Boy:”I understand, my good grandfather.”
Middle Eastern music plays as scene fades to display Pinhas and Shamloun use wooden daggers to dig through the sand.
Pinhas: “Come on, come on, lazybones. Dig deeper, so the whales and fish will be trapped in our pool tomorrow.”
Shamloun: “What a great trick, you devil. How ever did you come up with it?”
Pinhas: “The Lord has forbidden working and fishing on the Sabbath, yet the whales come only on the Sabbath. That’s how I came up with the idea: I would work hard on Friday, and dig channels and pools, so that the Sabbath fish will be trapped in them, and we will pick them up on Sunday. That’s how the trick will work.”
Shamloun: “You’re such a devil. But the Lord has forbidden the catching of Sabbath whales, Pinhas.”
Pinhas: “That’s no problem. We are catching the Sabbath whales – but not on the Sabbath. Come on, come on, lazybones.”
Shamloun: “Come on, you devil, before anybody sees us and realizes our trick.”
Middle Eastern music plays as water and fish fill the ditch Pinhas and Shamloun have dug. The scene fades to display a village. Habakkuk appears and led by a strong aroma walks up to Shamloun’s front door.
Habakkuk: “What is that smell? Is that grilled fish I smell? Who is that wicked man who is grilling something forbidden?”
Shamloun: “What are you doing outside my house, you sneak?”
Habakkuk: “What about you, accursed Shamloun? The smell of forbidden grilling is coming from your house. Are you grilling something that the Lord forbade, Shamloun?”
Shamloun: “You’re imagining things. Get out of my face, and don’t come near my home.”
Habakkuk: “First let me see your oven, if you are telling the truth.”
Shamloun: “I told you to go away.”
Habakkuk: “Not before I see your oven. You see, you sinner?! You and this criminal, Pinhas – You have betrayed our covenant with the Lord and behaved cunningly. You have fished what was forbidden by the Lord. By God, curses will befall you. You will see. By God, curses will befall you.”
Pinhas: “[laughs with Shamloun] Why don’t you share this delicious food with us, and forget about the Lord’s covenant?”
Habakkuk: “You will see the curses raining down on you now, you accursed people.”
The sky turns dark.
Habakkuk: “Curses will rain down on them right now! Fire from the skies will fall and consume them right now! Right now! Right now! The curses are a little late, but they will come down, while these accursed people are having their lavish feast. Now, they will understand and will regret their deeds, but their regret will no longer help them. What’s this? Nothing whatsoever has happened to you? Have the curses not rained down on you yet?”
Shamloun: “I’m standing right here, and so is Pinhas, and we are both fine, Habakkuk.”
Habakkuk: “Nothing has happened to you?”
Pinhas: “The only thing that has happened to me is that I had the pleasure of eating the forbidden fish, my friend.”
Habakkuk: “Woe betide you! Beginning next Sabbath, I will start selling publicly in the market.”
The scene changes to the market. Pinhas and Shamloun smell their large basket of Sabbath fish.
Pinhas: “We sell [fish] on the Sabbath. Step right up!”
Shamloun: “Step right up and buy fresh, raw fish, my friend.”
Habakkuk: “What sinners you are. You are selling fish on the Sabbath?!”
Pinhas: “And what about you? What made you leave home on the Sabbath, you ‘non-sinner’?”
Habakkuk: “I want to buy something, and there is also something I want to sell you – coals for grills, ropes, and traps for whales.”
Shamloun: “Don’t you fear that curses and torments will befall you for working on the Sabbath, Habakkuk?”
Habakkuk: “It seems that working on the Sabbath is permitted to us, and was prohibited to our ancestors, because they killed their prophets. [laughs]”
The scene changes to people building a wall through the seaside village.
Boy:”Don’t you feel tired, Grandpa?”
Grandfather:”No, you don’t get tired when you do good deeds.”
Boy:”Is building a wall between us and those who have made a mockery of the Lord’s covenant and went to work on the forbidden Sabbath considered a good deed?”
Grandfather:”A good deed it is indeed, my child. We have isolated them so that when catastrophe strikes, it will strike them alone, and we will be saved, because of our faith.”
Boy:”Grandpa, They are laughing at us, throwing stones on us, and say we are poor because we don’t work on the Sabbath like them. Look!”
Man: “Do you fear all these illusions? There are no curses, and there is no reason to be afraid, you cowards.”
Woman: “You are building a wall to distance yourselves from your actions, and therefore, you are doomed to eternal poverty, while we are destined to be rich. If you ever try to cross over to our side, we will kill you. Go ahead and build your wall, you fools [laughs].”
Grandfather:”Come on, men, keep building. Tomorrow is the Sabbath and we will not work, as we were commanded by the Lord. We must double our efforts today.”
The boy, his grandfather, and other villagers continue to build the wall as the scene changes back to the marketplace.
Pinhas: “Step right up and buy your Sabbath goods. We trade on the day that the Lord once forbade, and get rich. Come, step right up, all you who do not believe in curses.”
Shamloun: “Shamloun is inviting you. Check out my merchandise, and don’t be afraid of anyone. You won’t be punished – not from the earth nor from the skies.”
Habakkuk: “Step right up. It is me, Habakkuk. I am, as you can see, safe and sound. The only illness that has struck me is wealth. Come here. How nice it is to work on the Sabbath. How nice it is to work on the Sabbath. I am working on the Sabbath, and I challenge the will of the heavens.”
While jumping up and down Pinhas, Shamloun, Habakkuk as well as others in the marketplace turn into apes. The boy and his grandfather open a door in the wall and step to the other side with some other villagers.
Grandfather:”Look, my child, the young among them have turned into apes, and their elderly have become pigs.”
Boy:”They should know that the Lord speaks the truth and punishes severely.”
Grandfather:”Praise the Lord, who has saved us. They remained in this condition for three days, and then were annihilated. The wind has cast them into the sea.”
Music plays while the scene illustrates the apes and pigs being cast off to the sea.
Narrator: “In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. When they disregarded the warning that had been given to them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression. When in their insolence they transgressed prohibitions, We said the them: ‘Be ye apes, despised and rejected.’ Behold – thy Lord did declare that He would send against them, to the Day of Judgment those who would afflict them with grievous penalty. The Lord is quick in retribution, but he is also oft-forgiving, most Merciful.”
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=964
Cogito Ergo Liberalis
jaybo…excellent point. now if goldy would only GET it.
goldy…not only are you giving the religious zealots EXACTLY what they want…you are feeding the anti semitic crowd out there.
and honey…they aren’t republicans.
The Nazi/Fascist label must be working. It’s really getting you guys pretty worked up. Care to keep up with the name-game. It cuts both ways you RIGHTIST/NAZIS. You RIGHTY/FASCISTS have Fox News. We have Hollywood. I guess we’ll all see if the public ultimately prefers Bill O’Reilly or Brad Pitt, Angela Jolie or Ann Coulter. I know where I’d put my money.
Incidentally, as a child of the 50’s I can tell you that the majority of parents (except in the deep South) taught their children that it was polite to say, “Happy Holidays” in public because you wouldn’t want to risk offending someone. Racial slurs were also frowned upon as impolite. The Republicans of this era are the toadies of the crass right wing religeous zealots of the deep South. Reember the SOUTHERN STRATEGY? Well, your mean-spirited retarded chickens are coming home to roost.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS! (no offense intended)
So Christians are the “friends” of Jews? That has to be a relatively recent developement in history.
http://www.cryptojew.org/
excerpt:
Although the Jews had coexisted relatively peacefully with the Muslims, the Catholics bitterly resented the loss of Christian control of the peninsula since 711 and had perpetuated unrest and uprisings, and by 1212, outright rebellion. The centuries-long “Reconquista,” or reconquest, of the entire region was considered a holy obligation. Unfortunately, to the Christians, the Jews were identified with the death of their Christ and with the Muslim rulers under whom the Jews had enjoyed privilege and power. Also during this period of time, the Black Plague was ravaging Europe, killing as many as one in every four people, but far fewer of the Jewish population. Relatively few Jews died from the Plague perhaps because of better hygiene. Jews washed their hands before eating bread, bathed weekly prior to Shabbat and before holidays, washed their clothing regularly, maintained sanitary households (especially the kitchen and toilet facilities), consumed only fresh and kosher meats from healthy animals, were required to be distant from sewage and other forms of uncleanliness when reading Torah, and buried their dead within twenty four hours. All of these practices in combination with segregated all-Jewish neighborhoods provided some measure of protection from the Plague, albeit not total immunity. The Catholics did not observe such hygienic lifestyles, and seldom washed or bathed. The Catholics hated the Jews for their apparent immunity to the Plague, and widely believed the canard that the Jews were the source of the “Black Death” by poisoning wells.
The Catholics united against the Muslims who were absorbed in fighting one another and slowly took over most of the small kingdoms, one by one. Catholic rule was not kind to the Jews. Widespread pogromsin 1391 resulted in the deaths of fifty thousand Jews, such that, in fear for their lives, tens of thousands converted to Catholicism. These people were called “Conversos” (converts), “New Christians”, and “Maranos” (a derogatory term meaning “pig people.”) In 1412, the Laws of Catalina were promulgated, whichexcluded Jewsfrom any economic interchange withChristians. From this time until the Edict of Expulsion in 1492, Jews were strictly confined to ghettos and had to wear identification badges prominent on the outside of their clothing. Hard-pressed to survive, many Jews,perhaps as many as 600,000,converted to Christianity by the end of the fifteenth century. Many of the New Christians were in reality Crypto Jews, outwardly Christians, but tenaciously and secretly practicing Judaism.
The Spanish Edict of Expulsion of 1492 stated that all Jews must leave the country. Those who stayed faced the Inquisition. A small number fled to Italy, Amsterdam, and the Americas, but most went to neighboring Portugal. When the Inquisition came to Portugal in 1496, the Jews were forced to leave, convert, or die. Of those Conversos who opted not to emigrate, many, if not most, were murdered by the “Holy” Inquisition. By 1500, estimates of as few as 40,000 and of more than 200,000 Jews were forced to leave the Iberian Peninsula. Exact numbers are not available because many of the Crypto Jewish family names had been changed after the pogroms of the 1300s in anticipation of future persecution.
The Spanish and Portuguese Inquisition continued for three hundred and fifty years. Accurate recorded accounts of the names, numbers, dates and punishments were kept by the officers of the Inquisition, such that today anyone who cares to recount the horrors may read of them. Of those Jews and Crypto Jews who chose to not leave, or could not afford to leave the Iberian Peninsula, many later bought passage or a commission on a sailing ship bound for safer destinations, preferably as far as possible from the nearest Office of the Inquisition.
Some purchased the proper documentation for “temporary” (which frequently became permanent) business trips to Italy or Germany, whereas poorer people fled to the north through the mountains and into France. Entire communities of “Portuguese Christians” were documented in southern France, while others continued northward to Amsterdam, England, Scandinavia, and eastward to the German provinces, Austria, Hungary and Poland. In most of these European destinations, these “Portuguese Christians” eventually revealed their true identity as Jews, and then subsequently blended into the established Jewish populations; thus, we do not find long histories of Crypto Judaism throughout Europe.
Many Jews and Crypto Jews immigrated to the New World, now known as the Americas, or the Western Hemisphere. Their choices were limited to the colonies of Spain and Portugal, so that when the Inquisition came to Peru in 1570, to Mexico in 1571, and to Cartegena in 1610, these same people were forced again to choose to convert or to die. The Inquisition spread throughout what is now the southern United States of America, Mexico, Central and South America, the islands of the Caribbean, and Cuba. No Jew or “Converso” was safe from suspicion, accusation and persecution, thus the numbers of Crypto Jews swelled to encompass almost all people of Jewish descent. The experience of the Crypto Jews in the Western Hemisphere was a litany of suffering, continual fear, social, political, professional, and religious suppression and murder. As late as the 1850s the Inquisition was finally officially ended in Mexico, and elsewhere a little sooner; however, overt discrimination and random incidents of lynching and murder continued until well into the 1950s in what we now call “Latin America”.
The final result of approximately one thousand years of persecution and murder of the Spanish and Portuguese Jews (minus the three hundred years of the “Golden Age”) caused many families who immigrated to the New World to become Crypto Jewish, while living their public lives as Catholics. In the Americas, some of the Crypto Jews reverted back to being openly Jewish, only to find a few years later that the Inquisition had followed them to their new homes, and they were forced to go back into hiding again. All of these people, the “Conversos” or “New Christians”, were forced tosubmit to Catholicism, thus in Hebrew they are referred to as the “Anusim” or “those who were forced.”
It has been approximately fifteen-hundred years since the emergence of Crypto Jews in the Iberian Peninsula, and five-hundred years since Crypto Judaism moved to the Americas. Today we find a large Crypto Jewish presence throughout the Western Hemisphere. No one knows for sure how many there really are, however in Brazil alonean estimated 10 to 25% of the total population are Crypto Jews, which translates to 15 to 40 million people.
Happy Holidays, Goldy!
Merry Christmas, folks…
Goldy,
It is not a matter over the form of the greeting. Inclusive works if you are sincere. Having a “big and bad” business telling you how to do it makes it insincere, since a person may be accustomed to a pro forma family-ingrained style Christian greeting.
Fuck Christmas. Fuck Christians. Fuck Fox News. Fuck the Republican Party!
Goldy…
I AM SICK OF THESE FUCKING TROLLS.
HEY TROLLS-
JUST FUCK OFF.
GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.
YOU ARE HATEFUL AND DISGUSTING.
YOU ARE UNEQUIVOCALLY WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.
I STOPPED GIVING A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING ANY OF YOU HAVE TO SAY AT LEAST A MONTH AGO.
HOW ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE CAN BE SO WRONG ALL AT THE SAME TIME IS BEYOND ME…BUT THERE YOU GO.
ASSHOLES FRONM FUCKING HELL YOU ARE…ALL OF YOU! JUST GO BACK THERE WILL YA’?
Not for Goldy:
Honestly, are you, as a Christian; gonna jump down someone’s throat for saying Happy Holidays?
Goldy,
As an agnostic, would you flip over the use of the word Christmas in public?
Actually, there are many issues that political junkies gravitate to. I am the type that gravitates away from this one, since it is such a non-issue. But then, since Goldy has made it his, perhaps I should reconsider?
Fuck Christmas. Fuck Christians. Fuck Fox News. Fuck the Republican Party!
Comment by LeftTurn — 12/16/05 @ 7:34 pm {left Turn, Since democrat “Tookie” has fried, perhaps you could run as VP with Hillary in 2008. You seem to be the perfect Democrat running mate for the Queen Bitch.
Hey Rujax – Merry Christmas from Mark The Redneck ! ! !
rujax206 @52
Calm down. The world is still revolving on it’s axis. I guess the weather sucks, but is that something to get your ho-dat in a twist over?
Just in case you moonbats were wondering my stand on many issues, here they are:
I believe the money I earn belongs to me. I earn a lot of money because I went to school, got good grades, landed good jobs where I show up every day, and work my butt off. I believe my money should not be taken from me at the point of the government gun and given to those who have wrecked their lives through a lifetime of bad choices.
· I believe divorce laws are grossly unfair. I believe it is wrong for a man to lose his kids, his house, his money and property, and have his paycheck tapped for life and given to some predatory gold digger.
· I am not in touch with my feelings.
· I always pick the supermarket check out line with the hottest checker, unless I’m really in a hurry.
· I drive pickup trucks and big SUVs. I wouldn’t be caught dead in a minivan.
· After picking Howard Dean to head the DNC, I hope the democrats continue to hone their razor sharp political instincts and nominate Her Highness Hillary for President.
· I own guns. Lots of them. I reload our own because the rounds are cheaper and more accurate. I belong to the NRA.
· I believe global warming is junk science at its worst.
· I believe men and women cannot be “friends”.
· I believe that we can “build our way out of’” the tranportation mess simply by pouring a lot of concrete. Look for where there are a lot of cars not moving. That’s where we should pour more concrete.
· I do not believe relationships have to “go somewhere”.
· I believe the cops have every right to shoot you if you’re running from them. I also think they have the right to pull you over if you are breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.
· I vote for all tax cuts and against all tax increases.
· I detest women with Hyphen-Names. I believe men with hyphen names are even worse.
· I believe if you are in the passing lane, and not passing, your license should be revoked, and you should be forced to ride the bus until you promise to never delay the rest of us again.
· I believe NASCAR racing is the greatest sport in the universe because it has all the essential guy things: speed, noise, beer, and shops with the best equipment and tools. I hold the drivers in great esteem because they go out and prove themselves every raceday. I am amazed every time a driver walks away from an wreck that leaves his car an unrecognizable twisted flaming hulk.
· I think islam is a stupid religion.
· I think france is a stupid country.
· I believe single mothers are the scourge of society.
· I believe that violence does fix everything because history has shown that the only way to have lasting peace is to completely destroy your enemy’s ability to make war.
· I believe nuclear power is a great way to generate electricity. More people have been killed riding in Ted Kennedy’s car than have been killed by nuclear power plants.
· I believe redistributing the rewards of life based on race is bad. We believe racial profiling at the airport is good.
There you have it. Any questions?
Marks… I believe in respectfully observing the customs of others with whom you interact. I say “Merry Christmas” to my Christian friends and relations, “Happy Chanukah” to my Jewish friends and relations, and “Happy Holidays” if I’m not otherwise sure.
But here at HA, irreverence is always the custom.
Again, what I object to is the notion that O’Reilly and Gibson and others are putting forth, that there is somehow a conspiracy to destroy Christmas, and that saying “Happy Holidays” is somehow offensive. This is a complete and total load of crap, and is little more than a pathetic effort to divide America, and distract from the disastrous job the GOP is doing running this country.
And really… if liberals like me are waging a war on Christmas, we’re getting our asses kicked… I mean, look around… Christmas is all over the fucking place. I spent an hour in the Mall today, with Christmas carols playing the entire time. I didn’t notice an “Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel.”
MTR
Are you the selfish, rude person who wrote all of the hate mail directed to the poor and the needy in today’s Olympian online letters to the editor?
They sound just like you!
Goldy @62,
But here at HA, irreverence is always the custom.
Dammit, Goldy! Stop being so sensible!
I agree that Gibson enjoys selling his books. I am not sure that “Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel.” is a selling point for the Jewish Holiday (Remember the hilarious South Park episode), but I’ve been wrong before. From my own viewpoint, I happen to believe that for those who have been taught a certain message, there is little that can be done to make them less argumentative over their beliefs. Is that PC enough?
61
Hear hear MTR. I agree with everything you said except for NASCAR. NASCAR is as much a sport as my left ball sack.
Goldy,
@65
Oh, well. I have no reason to discuss anybody’s ball sack, left or right…
And NASCAR is not a sport. Thank you, RUFUS…
MTR@61: So you really think we didn’t already know all those things about you? Apparently you consider yourself an original.
That list has been floating around for awhile now, and it’s nice you’ve latched on to it and found some things to actually aspire to. You should get a T-shirt printed and wear it to your favorite bar – some real great pick-up lines there!
Hey Mark the Redneck,
Is betting a sport?
Is not paying up on your gambling debts a sign of psychopathology?
I think somebody is going to get coal in his redneck stocking for Christmas.
62: Goldstein.
This was a pathetic post and an insult to Seattle and the people living there. When I moved to Seattle many years ago, I loved it because of the friendliness of people, the openeness, the helpfulness and well…the climate. Now, I still like the climate, but people have become selfish, rude and inconsiderate (yes, there are worse places…but Seattle is no longer what it used to be).
So you have to be rude and irreverent…as it is “custom” on HA. Why ? In connection with Christmas and the Season, there is no need, unless, you mean it.
But then…in post 62, you tell us that you are just a great guy, wishing people a Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanukah or a Happy Holidays…considerate and proper. Great.
So the question is: What are you ? Either you are a fake on your postings or you are a fake in real live. And because you are a fake in at least one situation, one should question you you in general. And that brings us to the bottom of the problem democrats in particular have. Where do they stand ? What do they stand for ? Are you for it before you are against it ? Inconsistency is not a basis for election gains…maybe in Seattle, but not in the rest of the nation.
Have a merry Christmas
Hey Goldy,
Your song is brilliant! Excellent job matching up the meter of the lyrics to the original. But, I especially like the slam to the idiots who believe in Christmas.
Oops…I meant, “believe in the War on Christmas”…ahem.
Shouldn’t there be an easier name for the “War on people who believe in the War on Christmas?”
I know, let’s call it “The War on Idiots!“
Seadog @ 69
“This was a pathetic post and an insult to Seattle and the people living there.”
Say what? There was no Seattle-specific content to this post.
“So you have to be rude and irreverent…as it is “custom” on HA. Why ? In connection with Christmas and the Season, there is no need, unless, you mean it.”
Fuck you, seadog. If you don’t like what Goldy posts, surf your ass over to someplace like http://HappyHappyJoyJoy.org .
What the fuck is it with you wingnuts? This is Goldy public journal and he can post whateverthefuckhewantstapost here. Why would you bitch about what someone writes in their own journal? Just GO THE FUCK AWAY if you don’t like it!
“But then…in post 62, you tell us that you are just a great guy, wishing people a Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanukah or a Happy Holidays…considerate and proper. Great.”
You (and a bunch of other wingfucks) are terminally confused. Goldy wrote a satirical song about the stupid-ass fake “war on the war on Christmas.” That is a political statement. It has little to do with how Goldy interacts with individuals.
“So the question is: What are you ? Either you are a fake on your postings or you are a fake in real live. And because you are a fake in at least one situation, one should question you you in general.”
No…it just mean that YOU are an idiot. You just do not “get it.”
“And that brings us to the bottom of the problem democrats in particular have. Where do they stand ? What do they stand for ? Are you for it before you are against it ? Inconsistency is not a basis for election gains…maybe in Seattle, but not in the rest of the nation.”
Blah, blah, blah. Tell it to someone who gives a fuck.
“Have a merry Christmas”
And a very merry Christmas to you, too, Seadog!
where do democrats stand hell thats easy cut and run yep the party of cut and run.
Goldstein @23,
Oh great, so we agree perfectly. Well, I still think that you are above the profanity, but it’s good to see that you to think the War on Christmas is stupid. I think you will agree to then that Christmas is far more about capitalism, marketing, buying and selling, etc. Sure there are the Christians that see this month as Advent and go to church, but Christian, Muslim, Jewish, it really doesn’t matter, the majority of Americans, even the religious ones are also out in the malls shopping and celebrating the benevolence and prosperity that comes mostly from the good will amongst men that is commerce.
So Merry Christmas to all.
Amen Brother Mark The Redneck…….Great disertation!
May I also add a few interesting GS the Redneck factoids about these twisted L-earl’s insanely simplistic mindset:
When all the second hand smoking studies, which for the sake of exageration are performed in homes and cars where smokers exist………………is it still perfectly legal to smoke in those same homes and cars where these very studies were performed? Duh Duh Duh Duh
I’d rather spend a whole damn evening in Mark the Redneck’s trailer park drinkin’ homebrew (non taxed), smokin Internet Purchased Cigars (non taxed) and shootin at tin cans & bottles (disgarded from the last drinking liberal HS night (just a government pension fund financed bash) with people like Mark…..then spend one minute in a smoke free dead liberal bar.
And I have to agree with Seadog. Seattle is becoming way to irreverant and the people are a lot more edgy and angry than they use to be. I believe it lowers the quality of our society more than a notch when we have forums like this that cater to good debate, but tolerate the uncivil discourse as well. Goldstein, the day you clean this blog up and police it a bit to remove the obvious garbage in both the posts and comments is the day your traffic goes up and you start getting calls from newspapers to write your own column.
And I agree, the O’Reilly response to the War On Christmas is equally stupid.
HEY JOHN just tell me what national holiday is the 25 of december oh i forgot why its happy holidy.
DJ at 71: Thanks for putting it all in perspective, including your language. I rest my case
Seadog @ 77
“DJ at 71: Thanks for putting it all in perspective, including your language. I rest my case”
Happy to oblige (especially when it comes to “language.” But, I am just curious, what “case” are you resting????
75 – You’re dead wrong McDonald. Goldy and me and many others have yearned to change to Scoop where we can “troll rate” and run the scum right off the forum.
You gain but you also lose!
TO HELL WITH ALL YOU SCUM-SUCKIN’ LOSIN’ WINGNUT TROLLS!!!
(scuse’ me I just saw Pirates of the Carribean on DVD with the wife and kids. AVAST!)
61 – I BELIEVE MTR IS A LYIN’ BET WELSHIN’ WINGNUT SCUMBAG!!!!!
SO THERE! HAR! HAR!
John McDonald @ 75
“I believe it lowers the quality of our society more than a notch when we have forums like this that cater to good debate, but tolerate the uncivil discourse as well.”
Then GO THE FUCK AWAY you fucking moron! This is Goldy’s blog, not yours. This is not the real world…this is, but, one of zillions of blogs. That you chose to read this blog, but complain that it “lowers the quality of our society” either indicates that you are insane (believing you are living in “Mr. Goldstein’s Neighborhood”), you are mentally retarded, or you are a fucked-up masochist! Nobody makes you come here.
I enjoy reading Goldy’s writing. Otherwise I would not come here. That is called…common sense.
“Goldstein, the day you clean this blog up and police it a bit to remove the obvious garbage in both the posts and comments is the day your traffic goes up…”
Goldy has stated that he writes what he WANTS to write. Somehow, I suspect that he would not enjoy writing the sanitized lame-ass prose that zillions of other bloggers write. And he certainly would not enjoy writing shit that is, we might call, “wingnut-friendly.”
The point is, McD, it ain’t gonna happen. Either quit faking outrage or, if you really are outraged, go the fuck away! The people who enjoy reading Goldy’s stuff certainly will not miss you.
18,
hey lay off the beaver…..
Mark the Redneck epitomizes everything that is wrong with America.
Mark the Redneck “Correctly” opitomizes everything that is wrong with the Lie-eberal Mindset!
DJ,
You know, you’ve got a point. Why am I wasting my time here? And I’m dilluting Roger Rabbit’s excellent average of being about half of all of Goldstein’s traffic. Enjoy your echo chamber of hatred. I’m done with this blog. Bye.
MTR @61
Who gives a fuck what you think?
61 (continued)
Just in case you trollfucks were wondering what my stand is on many issues, here they are:
· I believe the vegetables in Stefan’s garden belong in my tummy. That’s what God made them for! Everyone knows rabbits LOVE vegetables!
· I believe divorce laws are grossly unfair. I believe it is wrong for a man to lose his kids, his house, his money and property, and have his paycheck tapped for life and given to his wife just because he wants to screw some predatory home wrecker. I think he should be castrated instead.
· I am in touch with my feelings. Even bunnies have feelings! For example, it is my feeling that Mark the Redneck should go fuck himself. (It’s hard to imagine any woman wanting to fuck a chauvinist pig like him.)
· I always pick the supermarket check out line with the shortest checker, because I’m kind of short myself. (I stand 22 inches tall on my hind feet with my ears fully extended.)
· I don’t drive pickup trucks, big SUVs, minivans, or anything else with wheels. Why should I? I get around fine on my two powerful hind feet. That’s what God gave them to me for!
· After picking George W. Bush to run the country, I hope the Republicans continue to hone their razor sharp political instincts by nominating Low Tax Looper for President in 2008.
· I own guns, too. If you don’t believe me, send Ann Coulter to my burrow to arrest me for being a Democrat, and find out.
· I believe global warming is great! Winter sucks. If it gets warm enough around here, Stefan’s garden will grow all year, and I’ll grow up to be a 25-lb. bunny! Screw supermarket check out lines, they suck. I’d rather eat fresh garden vegetables.
· I believe men and women cannot be “friends.” It’s pretty obvious, isn’t it? All they do is yell at each other, throw stuff, and lick each other’s tongues! Bleccchhhh!!! Unsanitary! However, I have lots of human friends, both men and women. Especially women – they think I’m cute!!!
· I believe that we can “build our way out of” the tranportation mess simply by tearing up all the concrete and growing grass to create huge bunny freeways.
· I do not believe relationships have to “go somewhere”. What good are relationships? All I need to do to make more bunnies is line ’em up and fuck ’em 10 at a time. ha ha ha ha ha
· I believe the cops have every right to shoot you if you’re committing a serious crime, e.g. tormenting poor sweet innocent little furry animals like me.
· I vote for more vegetables!
· I don’t detest women with Hyphen-Names. I don’t detest men with hyphen names either. I like the people who come to Green Lake Park, even the ones with Hyphen-Names, which is most of the people around here. They scratch my ears and feed me carrots! And most of them are Democrats, too. Republicans never feed me carrots or anything else. Republicans suck.
· I believe if you are in the passing lane, and MTR is behind you, you should slow down to 45 MPH and make him go around you, because (a) he’s a prick, (b) he’s a Republican, (c) he’s a bet welsher, and (d) he might even be a foreign agent or terrorist.
· I believe NASCAR sucks. They want us to raise taxes to build a $220 million track at our expense for their profit. Their race tracks are ugly, make a lot of noise, and attract redneck crowds who throw trash all over the place and drive fast on neighboring streets. Fuck NASCAR! They can go back to South Carolina or wherever they came from.
· I think MTR is a stupid person.
· I think the GOP is a stupid political party.
· I believe single bunnies are God’s gift to Roger Rabbit! Attention God: Send more cute fluffy single female bunnies!!! :D :D :D
· I don’t believe in violence, but some humans believe violence fixes the problem of people welshing on their gambling debts. As far as I’m concerned, that’s between them and the bet welshers. I’m not gonna get involved in it. Not my problem.
· I believe sun power is a great way to grow more gardens! Screw electricity, plant vegetables! You can’t eat electricity. What is there besides eating?
· I believe redistributing the rewards of life based on species is bad. I believe bunnies should get first crack at lettuce and carrots, and humans can have whatever is left after I’m done eating. Of course, I’m never really done eating. The only time I’m not eating is when I’m fucking, then I go back to eating again. You humans don’t need lettuce and carrots anyway. You seem to like eating each other. You’re always going around saying, “eat me.”
There you have it. Any questions?
61 (continued)
“More people have been killed riding in Ted Kennedy’s car than have been killed by nuclear power plants.”
MTR lies about everything else, so he may as well lie about this too.
Killed riding in Ted Kennedy’s car: 1
Killed by Chernobyl disaster: 48 to 56 according to pro-nuclear industry sources, including 30 or 31 killed outright
http://www.uic.com.au/nip22.htm
http://www.magma.ca/~jalrober/Howbad.htm
85
Bye John. Don’t let the door hit your ass on your way out.
75
“I believe it lowers the quality of our society more than a notch when we have forums like this that cater to good debate, but tolerate the uncivil discourse as well.”
It also lowers the quality of our society when Republicans call people who disagree with them “commies,” “traitors,” “unpatriotic,” and/or “un-American.”
It also lowers the quality of our society when hate peddlers like Ann Coulter say things like liberals should be put in concentration camps and executed — and then Republicans cheer her for saying things like that.
Your side started the uncivility, John. Like all Republicans, you’re a chickenshit who can’t take a dollop of the medicine your side likes to dish out. Fuck you! We liberals aren’t going to be polite to Republicans anymore. That’s over with. Republicans have gone too far. They’ve committed treason. They’re warmongers and torturers. They’re haters who have divided our country. They’re corrupt, thieving, looters who are stealing the taxpayers blind. Fuck you!
Don’t let the door hit your ass on your way out of here.
Wingnuts sure are thin-skinned, whiny, sob-sister crybabies.
Why should we be polite to people who aren’t polite to us?
Why should we be polite to people who want to put us in concentration camps and execute us?
John McDonald – it will behoove you to understand that when Republicans questioned our side’s patriotism, that crossed a line, and crossing lines brings consequences. Your side can’t expect any civility or quarter now.
Savior of Blondes,
Where’s the Rum?
Happy 2 holidays’
I’ll stop being vague for you guys. Why the heck wish an atheist or other person Happy Hollidays…might as well wish them Happy door knobs or something.
by concocting this fantasy that everybody has a holiday, you diminish and denigrate our holiday. Yeah good taste says wihs a jew Happy Hannaukah, and yeah, if there is some real Sikh or Buddhist holiday then, i’ll wish that too.
But there isn’t. Take out Kwanzaa cuz thats not religious (and its a bit bogus too). I don’t want to insult an atheist and wish them “happy non-holiday” or basically happy festivus.
Next i guess you want us to create a spring “happy rejuvenation days” faux holiday…
I’ll stop being vague for you guys. Why the heck wish an atheist or other person Happy Hollidays…might as well wish them Happy door knobs or something.
I dunno dipshit. It might have something to do with actually internalizing and practicing the faith you so publically profess.
Or is your faith just so much window candy for the rubes?
Ken,
I see you had to go back a few centuries to find that example. The truth is, I am a white, anglo-saxon Born-Again Christian. In my life I have met several anti-semites, and to a person, non of them were christians. One of them was a Palestinian-American that had such a hatred for jews it scared me. He believed that Hitler was a hero.
What Goldy and other radical liberals are now doing is so shameful, it needs to be denounced in the strongest terms by rationally thinking americans.
These same radical leftists see that there is a change beginning within their core constituency amoung jewish-americans. They, in fact, also tried to stir-up racial tensions within the african-american community recently.
By making wildly irresponsible claims of a muted federal response to african americans by the federal government, they were attempting to stop a trend of african americans questioning why they should blindly follow the liberal political agenda in this country. They don’t want these constituencies to have a mind of their own.
This same group of liberals now wants to make sure that jewish americans also stay on the plantation by trying to stir up fear in the jewish american community any way they can.
It is sad, in my estimation, that the dems and the radical libs have sunk to this level. They are willing to burn down the house in order to try to win politically.
Goldy, no matter what you say or do, you will not change my thinking with respect to my fellow americans that are jewish. You will, however, begin to stir up discord with those that have anti-semitic tendencies already. Other jewish americans that read this blog should denounce you as well. This is dangerous, and it borders on treason in my mind.
jaybo is a wingnut propaganda (newsmax(Smack), WND(WingNutDaily)) spewing liar.
Report us all to homeland security jaybo – it’s what people like you are best at.
Clueless,
You could maintain some level of credibility by taking a “big-person” (also called mature adult) approach to the debate. I imagine that this must be difficult for you intellectuals so I won’t press the point.
KLOWNstein is NOT a liberal Jew.
KLOWNstein is a New Age Progressive Secular Jew also known as a JINO. David wants us to believe he was a Holocaust victim when in reality he grew up with a privileged life in Philadelphia…hardly in the Holocaust zone.
David’s anger and outrage towards Christians results from an emptiness in his own life…..the misconception that if something is not secular, it must not be true.
I have met plenty of emty shells like David….they enjoy being pissed of and express outrage at others of faith at every turn.
David….something tells me that after you post stuff like this, you have some remorse. You tend to laugh it off as you were just kidding. Really?
Let’s all pray for David. Seriously. My Jewish friends are deep-seated in their faith and highly functional human beings. I think David would like to be like them.
Goldy’s ego just won’t allow him to humble himself.
My grandparent’s were devout Christian’s….as is my mother. I love them very much.
David, what would your Grandmother do????
jaybo sez–
“Goldy, no matter what you say or do, you will not change my thinking with respect to my fellow americans that are jewish. You will, however, begin to stir up discord with those that have anti-semitic tendencies already. Other jewish americans that read this blog should denounce you as well. This is dangerous, and it borders on treason in my mind.
Comment by jaybo— 12/17/05 @ 8:48 am”
I had not read your post jaybo before I posted my previous one.
I, like jaybo, have never met a Christian who is an anti-Semite. I have heard anti-semitic talk before….by drunks mostly…I ALWAYS speak up, condemn that talk and walk away.
Criticizing Goldy is certainly not anti-Semitic. Goldy and perpetually offeded defender’s take great joy in playing the anti-Semite card at every turn. Frankly, I don’t believe the term “Anti-Semite” applies towards New Age Progressive people with Jewish heritage who do not practice the Jewish faith. I think it is shameful for Goldy to play the Holocaust card when he grew up in Philly with a privileged life. THAT CONDUCT IS TRULY ANTI-SEMITIC!!!!! It waters down the atrocity of the Holocaust when some KLOWN uses it for political purposes REPEATEDLY!!! Plenty of real Jewish Americans
are and would be offended by Goldy’s tactics.
Jaybo @ 98
“What Goldy and other radical liberals are now doing is so shameful, it needs to be denounced in the strongest terms by rationally thinking americans.”
Get a life, dude. There really are zillions of blogs, many with far more “radical” content that what you read from Goldy. In fact, it is a real stretch to call Goldy a “radical liberal.” In any case, your bullshit falls on deaf ears.
“They, in fact, also tried to stir-up racial tensions within the african-american community recently.
By making wildly irresponsible claims of a muted federal response to african americans by the federal government, they were attempting to stop a trend of african americans questioning why they should blindly follow the liberal political agenda in this country. They don’t want these constituencies to have a mind of their own.”
Is this an attempt at humor? I think African Americans probably figured out the NeoCons and Wingnuts for themselves. The damage done by Katrina was self-inflicted by the federal government.
“This same group of liberals now wants to make sure that jewish americans also stay on the plantation by trying to stir up fear in the jewish american community any way they can.”
I think there are meds you can take to help you with your paranoid fantisies….
“It is sad, in my estimation, that the dems and the radical libs have sunk to this level. They are willing to burn down the house in order to try to win politically.”
Yeah…right. Or, it could be that the Dems and most Libs of all flavors are sick and tired of corruption, the trashing of our civil rights, the PNAC agenda, reckless GOP spending (i.e. the selling off of America), cronyism, Administration image management taking priority over real issues, breaking international law, imbedding fundamentalist Christianity into our government and schools, and, in general, destroying all of the things that were outstanding about America.
“Goldy, no matter what you say or do, you will not change my thinking with respect to my fellow americans that are jewish. You will, however, begin to stir up discord with those that have anti-semitic tendencies already. Other jewish americans that read this blog should denounce you as well.”
(*Rolls eyes*)
Really…there are meds that can help.
“This is dangerous, and it borders on treason in my mind.”
Shove it up your ass, you fucking unAmerican asshole! Since when is political discussion and debate “treason.” (Consider reviewing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.)
i have to agree with jaybo……..this is a stupid and dangerous tact for goldy the [non] kosher-klown to take.
though i hate to admit that anything he writes could ever offend me…this post did it.
i’m done with this catbox. i don’t know why you just call one thread a week the sandbox….since every single one of them is just full of talent free ranting from a bitter little man.
goldy…you used to have talent and writing ability and now all you do is throw stones.
i wish you the best of luck…and hopefully you won’t need it.
jaybo@98: “..I am a white, anglo-saxon, born again Christian. In my life I have met several anti-semites and to a person, none were christians.
Jaybo, I suspect you meet another anti-semite every time you walk past a mirror. And “born again”? I don’t think so. Your demonization of people you assume to be liberals, and your demonization of anyone who dares criticize this administration reveals that your Bible is the GOP playbook. You’re nothing but a bullshit Republican parroting talking points from the GOP’s hate list Every time you have a bone to pick with Goldy, you take refuge in the hate talking points and diminish his heritage and his beliefs. A “JINO”? What kind of racist, anti-semitic crap is that? You’re nothing but a bullshit, white boy, Republican shill for the GOP. Yeah, the GOP: The religion of false promises, false patriots, and false christians.
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Xmas-suckup @ #104
You make me laugh, you lameass rightwing trollfuck. . .someone so ignorant as to not know the Democrats won WWII. NOTHING you say has the abiliy to to cover up such ignorance.
I was at lunch the other day with a Jewish buddy of mine and a mutual acquaintance came up and wish us both a Merry Christmas. I said Merry Christmas back. My Jewish buddy reponded, “Thanks, but I’m Jewish……but Merry Christmas to YOU!!!”
Perfect….Perfect…..Perfect Response. He politely let the other person know he was Jewish but honored the fact that an enthusiastic about Christmas person would care enough to say Merry Christmas by wishing her a Merry Christmas.
It gets much better…..the woman paused for a moment and looked at my Jewish buddy and said, “Well, Happy Hanukkah to you!”
My buddy smiled and said, “Thank you so very much!!!”
PS—Goldy, Hannukah begins on Sunday, December 25th at sundown. Just thought you might like to know!!!
And to the 3% of you offended by Merry Christmas (according to the recent Gallup Poll), I’d appears the appropriate thing to say might be Have a Nice Day!!!!…although that may offend about half of you grumps who love living in darkness.
You rock, Goldy! Need a band to record it?
To those of you that read these posts but do not post yourself, do you see the contrast?
I think you really have to make up your mind which group best represents those things that you believe and hold dear.
I wonder how many of you really want to associate yourselves with the bitter hate-filled liberals that post here.
The choice is yours.
BACINO: Born Again Christian in name only.
jaybo–
The light is blinding to many of these fragile souls….after spending a lifetime in darkness.
The good news is potentially your future’s so BRIGHT…you gotta wear shades!
The KLOWNS are mighty grumpy around Christmas time jaybo.
Must be the light of the Saviour of the World!!
Jaybo @ 110
“I wonder how many of you really want to associate yourselves with the bitter hate-filled liberals that post here.
The choice is yours.”
Ummmm…
Apparently you have…ahem…made your choice. :-)
The reason why jaybo and Cynical come here to spew their right-on -cue RNC talking points and other wingnut garbage is – surprise – Goldy has been effective!
– Called the election contest 100 percent right – minnow called it 100 percent wrong.
– Exposed the ineffective, Bush crony Mike Brown and caused him to resign. Brown just about admitted it before Congress.
– Effectively exposed the violent, abusive and pathological liar David Irons for the fraud he was. The MSM reported it previously but Goldy made it stick.
– Won a bet with the complacent, smug wingnut MTR over I-912 (otherwise know as the revenge of the orangies) and refused the sucker bet of the self-aggrandizing bozo.
A record like this attracts the wingnuts from all over but their whining and moaning is futile. They are the ones who are filled with hate because they are losing. They are frustrated. They are desperate. Goldy is on the right side of the issues and the wingnuts are on the losing side.
Cynical @102,
Look in the mirror.
I mean really… calling me a JINO? Who the fuck are you to question my Jewishness? I’d get angry at you, except I’d feel kind of silly getting angry at the cartoon character you portray here.
Oh, can’t you just FEEL the love from Goldy.
Clueless,
Actually I come here to communicate with the moderate liberal that makes up the vast majority of the Democratic Party. Hopefully some day soon they will finally loose their patience with the rest of you and take their party back.
@110
“I think you really have to make up your mind which group best represents those things that you believe and hold dear.”
I agree!
LIBERALS
Gave us the Constitution, Bill of Rights, free speech, a free press, freedom of religion, and due process of law.
RIGHT WINGERS
Think it’s okay to arrest people without charges, imprison them without trial, deny them access to a lawyer, and torture them, regardless of innocence or guilt.
Think critics and dissenters should be jailed.
Have no problem with the government secretly spying on your medical, financial, employment, school, and library records.
Complain about their constitutional rights being violated if somebody thinks it’s a bad idea to let white supremacists, neo-Nazis, bank robbers, and psychos possess military assault weapons.
Want to force-feed their religion to your children in our public schools.
Scream about abortion being “murder” but want to bomb every foreign village and kill every “towel head” (including women and children) they can fly an airplane over.
LIBERALS
Gave us the 40-hour work week, overtime pay, minimum wage, child labor laws, workplace safety laws, injured workers benefits, unemployment insurance, collective bargaining rights, the G.I. Bill and veterans benefits, and Social Security and Medicare.
RIGHT WINGERS
Prefer the selfish, every-man-for-himself, law-of-the-jungle, Social Darwinist social model.
Oppose minimum wage laws, overtime pay, and unemployment benefits for the jobless.
Want to weaken safety regulations, deny benefits to injured workers, and expand “right to work” (anti-union) laws.
Want to reduce future Social Security benefits by $1 trillion so they can buy more stocks.
Yell at us to “support the troops!” but have no problem with an administration that pushes wounded soldiers out of the military so the Pentagon won’t have to pay for their medical care, or cuts medical benefits to veterans by lowering the maximum eligible income from $28,000 of annual income to $25,000.
Think it’s cool that of more than 286,000 former uranium workers suffering from occupational illnesses who filed claims for benefits approved by Congress, only 1 has received benefits.
Scream about paying taxes for “welfare” while supporting the expenditure of taxpayer dollars on many times as much corporate welfare, such as Bush’s $740 billion gift to the drug and insurance industries while at the same time making it illegal for seniors to buy lower-cost drugs in Canada or use group purchasing power to bargain for lower drug prices.
Support an administration whose energy policy is written by energy industry lobbyists in secret meetings, followed by consumers paying record prices for electricity, heating oil, natural gas, and gasoline — then blame the high prices on environmentalists and liberals.
LIBERALS
Gave us free public education, the cornerstone of our democracy and economic prosperity.
RIGHT WINGERS
Want to use public education money to support private schools with no accountability for how the funds are spent, what the children are taught, or whether they learn.
LIBERALS
Gave us consumer protection laws, public health programs, and environmental laws that cleaned up the air we breathe and the water we drink.
RIGHT WINGERS
Want to weaken consumer protection laws for the benefit of big business; want to weaken or eliminate the Clean Air, Clean Water, and Endangered Species Acts; and think global warming is bunk.
Support a president who slashed funding for federal meat inspection, and thinks meat inspectors should be employed by the companies whose meat they inspect, with their wages paid by taxpayer-financed subsidies to those companies.
Support a president who slashed funding for toxic cleanups, shifted toxic cleanup costs from polluters to taxpayers, and ordered the EPA to suppress information about toxic air quality at the WTC disaster site.
Support clear cutting public forests and selling or giving away public lands to corporate interests.
Support a president whose administration routinely manipulates and suppresses scientific data for political purposes.
YEP, YOU’RE RIGHT JAYBO, IT’S A QUESTION OF VALUES.
So Goldy, let’s have an intelligent discourse on the subject in this thread.
Don’t you think you do jewish americans a disservice by trying to stir up this kind of racial red herring?
Recently, my son attended his friends Bar Mitzfah (sp?) and I spent some time at their synagoge in the freemont neighborhood. I was impressed with the pictures they had there of the communities that I assume they supported on the west bank. We know the family and I believe that they are good people. I do not know their political leanings and really don’t care.
If two boys, one a born-again christian and the other a practicing jew can be friends, why would you want to create animosity between these two groups by posting this kind of thing? The only reason I can think of is that you want to stir up hatred between the two groups for political gain.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Now, now Goldy….take a couple of deeeeeeeeeeeeep breath’s.
Feel better now??
Do you regularly attend a synagogue??
And why do you have to pretend to be a Holocaust victim so frequently???? Especially when you had a privileged life in Philly!
It is wrong for me to question your Jewishness. I agree.
But it’s also wrong for you to constantly complain about anti-Semite’s if your Jewish faith is faded….just as it’s wrong for you to pretend to be a Holocaust victim and cast others who disagree with you a Nazi’s.
I tell you what, I’ll give a rest to questioning your Jewishness.
You give a rest to pretending to be a Holocaust victim and seeing Nazi’s everytime it’s convenient.
Is that a deal???
Ken_in_Seattle@51: There is a big difference between the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages/Inquisition and people of today. It is amazing the American Jesuits turned out people like Fidel Castro though. Yes he was educated in an American Jesuit School!!
Goldy: speaking of Happy Holidays: Why not visit the island off of Cuba where Fidel Castro quarantines his gay people with AIDS, as a happy holiday? Why are you not up in arms on this? Jimmy Cahhhhrter and his friends love Fidel!!! Again you can’t have it both ways.
jaybo @ 118
Get together with Cynical Bozo then. He claims he gets all kinds of support for his pet projects like I-912 from “Truman Democrats”. Where were they last November?
Got a question for you and the rest of the wingnuts: how many copies of Gibson’s “War on Christmas” book are you handing out as stocking stuffers?
Wow a real uniting and not dividing kind of gift to give this holiday season!
Clueless–
None of us have any problem with you lounging around all by yourself on Christmas Day worshipping your beloved DINGLEBERRY SHRUB you KLOWN!! In fact, bring one to City Hall and explain to those who will listen the fascinating story of your faith in NOTHING!
Since we’re all in the Christmas spirit, how ’bout this:
’Twas the night before Christmas and all through San Quentin, the crips were protesting, and liberals were ventin’.
The cyanide hung by the chamber with care, in hopes that the reaper soon would be there.
The inmates were nestled all snug in their beds, except for Old Tookie, who soon would be dead.
And me with my beer mug, dressed warm in my flannel, had curled up to watch it on the Fox News Channel.
I set up my TIVO to record the news station, and thoroughly loved the momentous occasion.
It seemed lady justice had gotten her way, and that there would be one less savage today.
When outside the jail there arose such a clatter, the cameras had turned to see what was the matter.
When what to my civilized eyes did appear, but a lineup of actors, all liberal, half queer.
The misguided freaks drew some curious looks, as they proclaimed his innocence, clutching his books.
The tears then flew out from Sarandon’s eyes, as she nominated him again for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The actors were tethered to an ACLU sleigh, all towing the line of the urban decay.
On Asner, on Penn, on liberal cop-haters,
On Sharpton, on Jesse and other race-baiters.
Then at 3:01 all curled up like a beetle, Tookie cried like a bitch as they gave him the needle.
When up from the actors there arose such a cry, they had failed in their mission, and Tookie DID DIE!
I heard Bill O’Reilly say, as I turned out my light, Merry Christmas to all … there was justice tonight !!
Roger, it’s a lovely laundry list. Pity it’s not all true.
Lovely stereotypes though.
Go ahead, call my mother names again.
She’s dying of cancer by the way, but she says hi.
With all the anti-semitism in the world today (more than the l930’s), you have to start in on Holiday vs. Christmas. Being Jewish for all my life, the Christmas tree meant nothing to me to be annoyed about. It is pretty and joyful for the season. Chanukah was nothing when I was a child and became something later with people like you. We are a minority. This is a Christian society. We get the blame for this discussion, not the Muslims, blacks, budhists, etc….How can you do this?
If you look it up, the tree is a pagan symbol, not a religious symbol even though has become one. Get a life. A blog is ridiculous! Don’t you have anyi\thing else to do but make trouble.?
“Jack Boots” ???????
The only time I’ve had a set of values IMPOSED on me was by the Politically Correct types were I work.
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