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Just great! And when President John McCain is sworn in, you can remember the day that you help to stab the Democratic Party in the back.
Barack Obama is not qualified to be President of the United States, and no amount of misguided logic will change that.
I heard that John McCain does enough swearing already …
@1
You can believe whatever you want about the relative qualifications of Hillary vs. Obama, but if you believe that it will be harder for Obama to win in November than Hillary, you’re very openly believing in fairy tales.
@1: and Hillary is? and what are you basing that on?
In the latest polls Obama does better than Hillary vs McCain.
So now you want to revise that to: A vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain?
The only misguided logic is that of Hillary supporters who tout her experience when they can’t cite any legislation in the senate she has been a prime sponsor of – but excuse her votes on the war, on cluster bombs and on earmarks.
Sorry – where are the actual “facts” instead of your opinions?
Poll link: http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....nger_d.php
Brenda Helverson @ 1
Barack Obama has more experience in elected office than does Hillary Clinton. Obama has served in different offices since 1996, while Clinton has served in one office since 2000. They both graduated from top notch law schools (he Harvard, she Yale). So you must be referring to Clinton being married to a powerful spouse as her superior qualification to be President? Or perhaps Clinton’s superior business experience — as a long-time Board of Directors member for the WalMart Corporation.
Lee: Sweet picture of the two most experienced youngsters that were in the Bush administration – cheney and rumsfeld – from their days with Ford?
the guys who brought us the war in Iraq – the original hubris twins.
Rumsfeld: We go to war with the army we have…We don’t know what we don’t know….or is that unknown unknowns…and we don’t need no body armor and we have plenty of troops to do the job….
Cheney: Al qaeda is in your bathroom toilet staring up at you and only Dick Cheney tearing up our constitution and torture can protect you….
If I say al qaeda and 9/11 together often enough – it must be true.
Undercover CIA agent? – here is her phone number and address al qaeda…
Wiretapping – no problem – I didn’t read the fourth amendment anyways.
Harvard people are so snotty.
Obamanation: Maybe your screechy prObama voice will count for something tomorrow, particularly since the $5,000,000 ‘Crat primary on the 19th counts for nothing.
And also since we don’t have Dean Logan to kick around any more for screwing things up: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....6734.shtml
Seattle’s loss of an elections boss so inept that he made Cheney and Rumsfeld look good by comparison is also LA’s loss. This is deja vu all over again, libs. Democrat Logan screwed Washington State out of the governor we elected. The Democrat machine in Florida designed a butterfly ballot so confusing for brain-dead Democrats that they put a nominal Republican in the White House.
Now Dean Logan in LA has screwed up a ballot and an election so badly that you Obamalot Goldycrats have been (drum roll) disfranchised. Once again you were rolled by Logan and his Clinton Crime Family machine. Time for you dweebs and dips to go down there and riot.
Anyway, all this puts the ‘rat’ back in Democrat where it belongs.
(In other news, Melissa Lyme/Lime/Lyne (?) told Dave Ross two days ago that he’s ‘the best little boy in class.’ Now that’s class.
Oh come on! You really do have rose colored glasses on if you honestly believe there is no qualitative difference between Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney. I don’t mind that you are caucusing for Obama. That is great. It is a free country and that is what democracy is all about. But spare us the cheap shots and neanderthal attacks on the Clintons. Tell us why you are in the Obama camp just once without resorting to silly straw men arguments about the Clintons.
Pathetic!
Barack Obama will be one year older (47) when he takes office in January 2009, than Bill Clinton (46) was when he took office in January 1993.
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You really do have rose colored glasses on if you honestly believe there is no qualitative difference between Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney.
You’re reading WAY TOO MUCH into this post if you think that I think that.
@9: Gordon – Nobody is comparing Hillary and Cheney – just pointing out that Hillary’s main talking point is experience – and that ain’t always the most important thing for a president – judgement trumps experience every time – as seen by what these phenomenally experienced politicians did while in office.
It doesn’t take any rose-colored glasses to get Lee’s point – just common sense.
@9: for Obama because Hillary:
voted for the Auth. for military force for the war in Iraq (while parroting dick cheney on al qaeda in Iraq)
voted against earmark reform
voted for clusterbombs
serves on the Walmart board and they are anti-union
Obama either voted against all of these or stated he was against them (war in Iraq).
I have given the links on all of these votes before.
Now why are you for Hillary?
re 13: Because she’s smart, tough, and experienced. She’ll hit the ground running, not hoping.
I wouldn’t discount Cheney and Rumsfeld’s experience. You may not like the results, but in the teeth of massive worldwide opposition, they did as they fucking-well pleased.
Think about it. Do you think Dick Cheney worries if you doubt his competence?
I’m still undecided. I’ve spent hours looking over their policy papers, and there isn’t that much air between them as far as what they want to do in office. But…I wasn’t a big Bill Clinton or DLC fan. On the other hand, Obama has a tendency to repeat right-wing talking points, and then there was the Donnie McClurkin thing…..
(I could go on and on with pluses and minuses for each.)
Shit. I’ll sign in tomorrow as uncommitted, and see what shakes out. Maybe somebody can make a convincing argument. My sister, on the other hand, went to see Obama speak today, and is actually going to her caucus tomorrow. This is somebody not just apolitical but apathetic – GW Bush has certainly radicalized her, and that makes me pretty happy. I told her she should volunteer to be a delegate to the next level – I think she would enjoy participating in the process.
@3: This is one thing I actually think a lot about. I think the sexism is really a bigger issue than the racism. I’m seeing it everywhere, on TV and on the intertubz, as some of this foul crap starts bubbling to the surface.
@14: Dick Cheney doesn’t care about what I think or what the constitution says and Rumsfeld was the one who kept saying we had enough troops in Iraq.
Think about it – their poor judgement has lost us the respect of the world, sunk our economy, put us in debt, killed over 4,000 young soldiers and injured over 20,000 and psychologically damaged many more.
But hey – they were “experienced”. And Hillary voted to let them do it.
Go Barack!!!
So Lee when did you have this epiphany?
Go Barack!!!
Son and friends are at the rally right now…
Go Barack!!!
Off Broadway Smegma Joe: Great link on Logan.
Go Barack!!!
Brenda: Can you identify one of your posts that wasn’t full of misguided logic? Puddy doesn’t forget much and I just can’t remember any logical post over the many years from your fingers.
Go Barack!!!!
GO Barack!!!
I love it when donkey kick other donkey for not using facts!
Welcome to my world, where I deliver the fact smackdown everyday!
re17: Mr. Not Correct — You are so incredibly obtuse. You miss the entire point. YOU say: “…their poor judgement has lost us the respect of the world, sunk our economy, put us in debt, killed over 4,000 young soldiers and injured over 20,000 and psychologically damaged many more.”
Granted. All that is true. How did they manage to accomplish all that nefarious stuff? EXPERIENCE. Remember (I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that you ever knew it in the first place: EXPERIENCE means that you know how to get the thingsdone that you want to.
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So Lee when did you have this epiphany?
I don’t wait for epiphanies to decide who I’m going to vote for. I simply look at whatever I can to assess their judgement, and I’m convinced that Obama’s judgement (especially on matters related to national security and personal liberty) is better than Hillary’s. If I want to have epiphanies, I’ll go to church or drop acid. If I want to have a conversation at your level, I’ll have a lobotomy.
Golly Lee: that was almost funny. Since you answered me back I guess the frontal lobes are missing as of 02/08/2008 at 12:56 pm. Since you never had a personality before this lobotical action will be an improvement.
I’ll expect “expert” analysis from now on…
headless lucy@20: Don’t pick on correctnotright, he’s my friend. Being a donkey means experience is not needed in life. Just look at Heilary. All you need are someone else’s coattails. You’ll get the requisite handouts.
And you’re still a racist.
I’ll be caucusing for Obama tomorrow. His and Clinton’s positions on the issues are nearly the same but I believe he would have a much better chance to move the agenda forward both in Congress and with the people.
He’s a better speaker with much less hardened opposition. He has already demonstrated that he can work across the aisle to get things done.
That said, should Clinton get the nomination, I’ll proudly and happily vote for her in the general.
Puddybud,
Yeah, and “W” has always done everything on his own.
Zzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzz
I expect that kind of bunkum from your compatriots, but not you. You’re expected to do a little better. No a lot better.
I just got back from trying to get in to Key Arena to see Barack. I was one of the thousands turned away, which is alright as I assume some young person got to enter in my stead. It was truly inspiring to walk with the stream of people toward the event; there was such a hum of enthusiasm. Politicians in my experience rarely if ever inspire the passion that Barack does. The most inspiring aspect of the trip was how young the crowd was. I am in my mid-forties and I’m confident I was older than 90% of the attendees. We have a chance to capture the youth demographic for a long time to come. I sure as hope we don’t disappoint young voters by choosing Hillary.
It’s amazing – Cheney already has that same smirk, over thirty years ago!
So sorry GBS. Sometimes when dealing with the lower life forms on this blog I slip into their twilight zone moments!
Tlazolteotl @ 15…why can’t you stay uncommitted if that’s how you really feel? Do that and volunteer to go to the next level to represent all the folks out there like you. I think that’s the most democratic thing to do…don’t be forced into anyone’s way of thinking.
And good for your sister…good for democracy and the country as a whole if we can actually wake the electorate up! ;0
I’ll be caucusing for Obama tomorrow. So will my sister. So will all but a few of my friends.
We are all over 55, most are women. I do not get the impression that all of us are Clinton backers…certainly not where I live, work, play, etc.