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I slept with Annie Wagner

by Goldy — Monday, 8/25/08, 8:58 am

Yes, last night, I slept with The Stranger’s Annie Wagner.  And so did Darryl.

I’m not sure if Annie slept much, what with us two old men snoring away (especially Darryl), but that’s the price she pays for begging a spot on our floor last night so that she could be up and alert bright and early this morning at the Washington State Clinton delegate caucus here at the hotel.

Annie and I are now at the delegate caucus, witnessing the fireworks first hand.  You can tell the Clinton delegates are angry and irreconcilable, threatening to be “respectful” and “pragmatic,” and warning that they might even “play by the rules,” or even worse, “honor the decision of the majority of Democrats.”

Okay, there’s still a bit of grieving going on, with the main topic of conversation surrounding whether to vote for Clinton or Obama on the first ballot, and whether Clinton has actually “released” her delegates, and if so, what exactly that means? Most of the folks here want to cast their vote for Clinton… but there’s also a lot of talk about respecting her wishes, even if that means voting for Obama.

There’s also a little push back to the “disunity” theme that has dominated recent media coverage.  As one delegate put it:

“Why is it disunity for us to do our job voting for the candidate we were sent here to vote for?”

I’m not sure it is.  This is, after all, the Democratic Party, which as we know implies a degree of creative chaos.  It takes a lot of passion and effort to get to a national covention as a delegate (as opposed to getting here as a blogger, which apparently only takes a firm grasp of four-letter words), so you’d expect the Clinton delegates to be passionate supporters of their candidate.  But they’re also Democrats, and while I plan to talk with as many delegates one on one as I can, it seems clear that the number one concern of the folks in this room is to get a Democrat into the White House.

So if my colleagues in the press are looking for a good “disunity” story, I don’t think they’ll find one in the WA delegation.  No doubt there are some unhappy folks in the room, but there is also a concerted effort to get everybody in line behind “the second best Democrat.”

UPDATE:
The conversation has moved on to the illicit topic of “credential swapping,” where Paul Berendt is teaching the newbies the fine art of deceit.  As for me, my act of disunity for the day will be to smuggle a piece of fruit into the Pepsi Center, one of the many banned items.

UPDATE, UPDATE:
Well, the caucus goes on, and we’re in the middle of a passionate speech by a delegate clearly fearful that there will be a push for a vote by acclamation, and angry at efforts to get him to change his vote.  As another delegate just put it, there’s nothing to be gained from “forced unity.”  So while I don’t think there is much of a disunity story here, don’t expect anywhere near a unanimous vote from the WA delegation.  But I haven’t heard anybody say they’ll be voting for McCain in November.  (Well… one delegate said it, but it was a slip, and she quickly corrected herself.)

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  1. 1

    Me Steve too, Seattlejew spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:18 am

    Team Players?

    Hillary’s Villagers seem to me to be more loyal to her gender than to progressive ideals.

    I once respected her highly, believing that she was the idealist at the Clinton table. Now, she strikes me as more Nixonian than any dem in my memory.

    My hope is that I am wronng and she is an idealist able to work on a team led by another good person. So far, the evidence says no.

  2. 2

    dutch spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:28 am

    Sooner or later the truth comes out…
    “where Paul Berendt is teaching the newbies the fine art of deceit. ”
    What better teacher than Paul….great.

  3. 3

    Where's the Institution? spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 9:48 am

    Outside of Seattle’s Only Newspaper, Are there any traditional media members from Washington? Will HA be covering the convention better than anyone else in the state?

  4. 4

    Two Dogs spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:06 am

    Great coverage of the convention in HA. Thanks.

  5. 5

    My Goldy Itches spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 10:47 am

    Did you guys deal cards off her back as you were pulling a train?

  6. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:05 am

    @2 A Republican complaining about deceit is like Gary Ridgeway complaining about crime.

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:09 am

    @5 Whatsamatter, jealous? The ol’ knothole rubbing you raw? Your blowup doll lose her air? The raw liver give you clap?

  8. 8

    Daddy Love spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 11:16 am

    Democratic “disunity?” Not so much:

    And who will you vote for on the floor of the convention?

    2008 DEM Del
    Clinton Obama Edwards DK/NA
    18 74 – 7

    “…more than 80 percent of the delegates surveyed said they enthusiastically supported Mr. Obama, and about as many (including more than two-thirds of Mrs. Clinton’s pledged delegates) were confident he would win the election. Majorities across all regions except the South said Mr. Obama held an edge in their state. “

    Democrats are fired up and ready to elect a Democratic president. How many Republicans will be holding their noses at best or staying home at worst in 2008? Are religious Republicans fool enough to think that John McCain gives a damn about their issues?

    Let’s see, we had a Republican majority in the Congress from 1994-2006 and a Republican president for half of that time. What did Republicans give the religious right on abortion during that time? Nothing. You’d think if they all think it’s heinous, bloody murder they would, you know, do something about it. Answer: They don’t think it is, and they know that the country does not want to abandon reproductive choice for women.

  9. 9

    RonK, Seattle spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 12:27 pm

    Convention security by Monty Python:

    Colonel (Graham Chapman): get some discipline into those chaps, Sergeant!

    Sargeant (John Cleese, shouting throughout): Right sir! Good evening, class.

    All (mumbling): Good evening.

    Sargeant: Where’s all the others, then?

    All: They’re not here.

    Sgt.: I can see that. What’s the matter with them?

    All: Dunno.

    Chapman (member of class): Perhaps they’ve got ‘flu.

    Sgt.: Huh! ‘Flu, eh? They should eat more fresh fruit. Ha. Right. Now, self-defence. Tonight I shall be carrying on from where we got to last week when I was showing you how to defend yourselves against anyone who attacks you with armed with a piece of fresh fruit.

    (Grumbles from all)

    Palin: Oh, you promised you wouldn’t do fruit this week.

    Sgt.: What do you mean?

    Jones: We’ve done fruit the last nine weeks.

    Sgt.: What’s wrong with fruit? You think you know it all, eh?

    Palin: Can’t we do something else?

    Idle (Welsh): Like someone who attacks you with a pointed stick?

    Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I’ll tell you something my lad. When you’re walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don’t come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion fruit…

    All: We done the passion fruit.

    Sgt.: What?

    Chapman: We done the passion fruit.

    Palin: We done oranges, apples, grapefruit…

    Jones: Whole and segments.

    Palin: Pomegranates, greengages…

    Chapman: Grapes, passion fruit…

    Palin: Lemons…

    Jones: Plums…

    Chapman: Mangoes in syrup…

    Sgt.: How about cherries?

    All: We did them.

    Sgt.: Red and black?

    All: Yes!

    Sgt.: All right, bananas.

    (All sigh.)

    Sgt.: We haven’t done them, have we? Right. Bananas. How to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. Now you, come at me with this banana. Catch! Now, it’s quite simple to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. First of all you force him to drop the banana; then, second, you eat the banana, thus disarming him. You have now rendered him ‘elpless.

    Palin: Suppose he’s got a bunch.

    Sgt.: Shut up.

    Idle: Suppose he’s got a pointed stick.

    Sgt.: Shut up. Right now you, Mr Apricot.

    Chapman: ‘Arrison.

    Sgt.: Sorry, Mr. ‘Arrison. Come at me with that banana. Hold it like that, that’s it. Now attack me with it. Come on! Come on! Come at me! Come at me then! (Shoots him.)

    Chapman: Aaagh! (dies.)

    Sgt.: Now, I eat the banana. (Does so.)

    Palin: You shot him!

    Jones: He’s dead!

    Idle: He’s completely dead!

    Sgt.: I have now eaten the banana. The deceased, Mr Apricot, is now ‘elpless.

    Palin: You shot him. You shot him dead.

    Sgt.: Well, he was attacking me with a banana.

    Jones: But you told him to.

    Sgt.: Look, I’m only doing me job. I have to show you how to defend yourselves against fresh fruit.

    Idle: And pointed sticks.

    Sgt.: Shut up.

    Palin: Suppose I’m attacked by a man with a banana and I haven’t got a gun?

    Sgt.: Run for it.

    Jones: You could stand and scream for help.

    Sgt.: Yeah, you try that with a pineapple down your windpipe.

    Jones: A pineapple?

    Sgt.: Where? Where?

    Jones: No I just said: a pineapple.

    Sgt.: Oh. Phew. I thought my number was on that one.

    Jones: What, on the pineapple?

    Sgt.: Where? Where?

    Jones: No, I was just repeating it.

    Sgt.: Oh. Oh. I see. Right. Phew. Right that’s bananas then. Now the raspberry. There we are. ‘Armless looking thing, isn’t it? Now you, Mr Tin Peach.

    Jones: Thompson.

    Sgt.: Thompson. Come at me with that raspberry. Come on. Be as vicious as you like with it.

    Jones: No.

    Sgt.: Why not?

    Jones: You’ll shoot me.

    Sgt.: I won’t.

    Jones: You shot Mr. Harrison.

    Sgt.: That was self-defence. Now come on. I promise I won’t shoot you.

    Idle: You promised you’d tell us about pointed sticks.

    Sgt.: Shut up. Come on, brandish that raspberry. Come at me with it. Give me Hell.

    Jones: Throw the gun away.

    Sgt.: I haven’t got a gun.

    Jones: You have.

    Sgt.: Haven’t.

    Jones: You shot Mr ‘Arrison with it.

    Sgt.: Oh, that gun.

    Jones: Throw it away.

    Sgt.: Oh all right. How to defend yourself against a redcurrant — without a gun.

    Jones: You were going to shoot me!

    Sgt.: I wasn’t.

    Jones: You were!

    Sgt.: No, I wasn’t, I wasn’t. Come on then. Come at me. Come on you weed! You weed, do your worst! Come on, you puny little man. You weed…

    (Sgt. pulls a lever in the wall–CRASH! a 16-ton weight falls on Jones)

    Jones: Aaagh.

    Sgt.: If anyone ever attacks you with a raspberry, just pull the lever and the 16-ton weight will fall on top of him.

    Palin: Suppose there isn’t a 16-ton weight?

    Sgt.: Well that’s planning, isn’t it? Forethought.

    Palin: Well how many 16-ton weights are there?

    Sgt.: Look, look, look, Mr Knowall. The 16-ton weight is just one way of dealing with a raspberry killer. There are millions of others!

    Idle: Like what?

    Sgt.: Shootin’ him?

    Palin: Well what if you haven’t got a gun or a 16-ton weight?

    Sgt.: Look, look. All right, smarty-pants. You two, you two, come at me then with raspberries. Come on, both of you, whole basket each.

    Palin: No guns.

    Sgt.: No.

    Palin: No 16-ton weights.

    Sgt.: No.

    Idle: No pointed sticks.

    Sgt.: Shut up.

    Palin: No rocks up in the ceiling.

    Sgt.: No.

    Palin: And you won’t kill us.

    Sgt.: I won’t.

    Palin: Promise.

    Sgt.: I promise I won’t kill you. Now. Are you going to attack me?

    Palin & Idle: Oh, all right.

    Sgt.: Right, now don’t rush me this time. Stalk me. Do it properly. Stalk me. I’ll turn me back. Stalk up behind me, close behind me, then in with the redcurrants! Right? O.K. start moving. Now the first thing to do when you’re being stalked by an ugly mob with redcurrants is to — release the tiger!

    (He does so. Growls. Screams.)

    Sgt.: The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the fruit-laden foe but also the redcurrants. Tigers however do not relish the peach. The peach assailant should be attacked with a crocodile. Right, now, the rest of you, where are you? I know you’re hiding somewhere with your damsons and prunes. Well I’m ready for you. I’ve wired meself up to 200 tons of gelignite, and if any one of you so much as makes a move we’ll all go up together! Right, right. I warned you. That’s it…

    (Explosion.)

  10. 10

    curious spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 12:35 pm

    what the hell is credential swapping? details please!

  11. 11

    Daddy Love spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 1:13 pm

    Delegate swapping. Seriously, this explains it:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/29/84419/3672

  12. 12

    curious spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 1:50 pm

    ah. damn, if i’d known about THAT, i would be hanging around every door in the joint!! sheesh….

    thanks for the info!

  13. 13

    Blue John spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 2:25 pm

    What’s all the ruckus about food or lack there of?

  14. 14

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 2:41 pm

    Gee, the credentials don’t have photo ID? Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of us have to wear a Photo ID card daily in our workplace, even if everybody there has known each other for at least ten years. I also carry a “customer badge” with photo ID which I have to renew every year to go onto our major vendor’s property.

    You would think that it wouldn’t be that hard for them to make a photo ID – you could ask delegates to send in a passport-style picture along with their advance application (easy to get for under $10.00). To avoid any cost issues they could make a deal with Kinko’s whereby the pictures could be taken and the costs would be billed to the Party – or waived entirely in return for “promotional consideration”.

    The last time I remember swapping ID’s was back when I was a college student. We had photo ID’s, but for football games we got really cheap tickets ($2.00 each) but we had to show our student ID card to get into the gate of the student section at the stadium. Since lots of us had friends (including girlfriends/boyfriends) who would visit from home or from other colleges, there was an active exchange market going on the morning before the games. They key wasn’t to get an ID that looked exactly like the person you wanted to get in, but to at least meat the major characteristics (gender/race/hair color & general age). The gate people didn’t have time to look at it any more closely than that.

  15. 15

    rhp6033 spews:

    Monday, 8/25/08 at 2:54 pm

    Anyway, with photo ID they could do a sweep of the floors and hustle out anybody who didn’t have a credential that at least passibly looked like the person who was holding it. That at least prevents the problem of having to close entrance to legitimate delegates and workers because of the unauthorized people who are there.

    Of course, an interim solution is to take advantage of the first break and require everybody to leave the building, do a quick security sweep, and then let them back in but only after showing their credentials AND a photo ID (making sure they match). Do that a couple of times, and the credential-swapping would stop.

    Of course, for all those who want to complain about Democrats being opposed to photo-ID rules, I’d point out that if the delegate doesn’t have a photo ID, you just have them step aside and confirm their ID through other means. I doubt credential-swapping would include giving somebody a billfold full of credit cards, library cards, airline ticket reciepts, etc. which could provide a backup ID. At the worst, you could have the chair of the state delegation vouche for them. There’s no reason to make it a cost issue – unless that’s your intent.

    Why does this bother me? Well, security is indeed an issue, and metal detectors aren not foolproof against all forms of terrorist attack.

    But I think the more likely problem would be Republicans gaining entry to pretend to be Democrats, causing a disruption (as an “outraged Hillary supporter”?) which Fox News would conveniently film, along with the person being ejected. Or they would try to pretend to be a delegate and say outragious things about McCain, veterans in general, or something else which could be repeatedly broadcast as a “typical Democratic convention delegate”. These types of things are squarely within the range of Karl Rove’s “dirty tricks book”.

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