military tribunal trials of alleged 9-11 perps are going on. this is what dave reichert voted for in 2006:
Military commissions have been conducted since George Washington used them after the end of the Revolutionary War, but this is the first time the United States has used them during an ongoing conflict, said Air Force Brig. Gen. Tom Hartmann, a top tribunal official.
The Supreme Court struck down the commissions as unconstitutional in 2006. Congress then altered and resurrected them,
violated oath to uphold the constitution. shitcan the sheriff!
Gen. Tom Hartmann is incorrect. During WW II, military commissions or tribunals were employed to try and sentence to death seven enemy saboteurs.
See Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1 (1942), where SCOTUS issued a per curiam opinion upholding the practice against the seven, one of whom was a U.S. citizen, and denying their petition for a writ of habeas corpus.
BTW…glad am I that you support Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s efforts to claim access to civilian courts. Shall we ask BHO or The Darcy if they also support Ol’ Khalid?
Your knowledge of Constitutional law must come from Bazooka Bubble Gum wrapper comics.
The Piper
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ByeByeGOPspews:
Pooper who’s claimed expertise covers everything from law, to medicine, military tactics, politics, morality and religion sure has a bunch of knowledge for a guy who runs a shitty looking web site for people who need a job.
You’d think all this so-called expertise would have propelled Pooper into a more profitable job.
You can’t refute what I say, so you just engage in personal attacks – clever.
The Piper
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Stevespews:
Piper watches the History Channel and, unlike the leader of the free world, knows how to use the Google on the internets. Then he pretends to be knowledgable about whatever he Googled. He’s so awesome! Well, not really. He’s just a stupid fascist asshole.
Don’t watch the History Channel much – too much fluff.
I first read Ex parte Quirin in 1970.
My favorite SCOTUS case is In re Neagle, 135 U.S. 1 (1890), which deals with a literal Wild West shootout on a train in California. U.S. Marshall Neagle was assigned to bodyguard Justice Stephen Field as he road circuit. Since Justice field had been the target of death threats by one David Terry, an unsuceesful litigant and former Confederate army officer, Marshall Neagle was ever alert.
Terry attempted to assault Justice Field, and was shot dead for his troubles by Marshall Neagle. Since Terry was influential in California in those days, Neagle was arrested on a murder charge.
The federal government filed a writ of habeus corpus on his behalf, and SCOTUS eventually ruled that Marshall Neagle’s actions were completely legal since they were in furtherance of the duty of the Executive Branch to, “take care that the laws be fully executed,” which necessarily implied that the government had the right to appoint body guards to protect federal judges even in absence of a statute specifically authorizing same.
Interestingly, a few years ago, a brace of dueling pistols related to the whole Field/Terry dispute was auctioned off in, I believe, San Francisco. Would have loved to have seen that.
I’ve heard rumors that Marshall Neagle was assigned only because Paladin was otherwise engaged.
The Piper
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Stevespews:
Interesting, Piper. To tell the truth, I’m not much of a active history buff. At least, not much further than what I’ve read many, many years ago, and I was mostly interested in NW and Seattle history back then. However, I recently inherited a late friend’s personal library and and now have several hundred history books to read, not to mention all the other subjects he was into. Quite the collection, really. I finally got a bunch of book cases set up so I can more easily assess what I’ve got. If you have any particular title you’ve looked for and haven’t found, then feel free to let me know. I just might have it. I’d be glad to make a gesture of sorts and pass a book or two your way.
My own reading these days is usually about astronomy, astrophysics and related subjects – not too deep, more of a surface knowledge. One hobby is astrophotography and stargazing, and lot of reading is associated with that. My profession is electrical engineering, and there’s a lot of tech reading to keep up with that. After reading that kind of stuff I’m more inclined to read something like Dick and Jane to kick back. But I look at my friend’s books and I know I’ll be into them soon. I might be underestimating the quantity. Heck, there must be over a hundred books on the Presidents alone.
Thank you, but to tell the truth I’ve been shedding volumes myself as I downsize. Parting with books is very painful – it’s like saying goodbye to old and trusted friends.
Whatever books you have on the Civil War you should keep. All of American history pivots around the Civil War. And books that relate the history of leading up to anything – knowing how we got into something is as important as what happened once we got into it.
If you do have excess, try Craig’s List or note particular volumes here. When I tried to dispose of my LPs, Proud Leftist and I did a little business – he now knows where I live.
Happy reading!
The Piper
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Stevespews:
Thanks, Piper. I also ended up with several hundred CD’s, about maybe four or five hundred vinyl LP’s and a very impressive audio system. I already had a couple of those. I’d much rather my friend were still around. I miss his friendship dearly. I’ve thought of Craigslist. I’ll be giving my friend’s Mom the cash from anything I manage to sell.
Expect to get on average maybe $1/LP unless it’s really a collectable. Check E-Bay if you think you have one. Condition is king. There are a lot of people out there who swear by vinyl, though I’m not one of them.
I am sorry for your loss.
The Piper
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Stevespews:
@11 Thank you very much.
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YLBspews:
Just watched Charles Ferguson’s “No End in Sight”, a documentary about the most colossal fuck-up in this country’s history brought about the most cowardly and craven group of clowns that have ever had the unmitigated gall to call themselves Americans.
notaboomer spews:
military tribunal trials of alleged 9-11 perps are going on. this is what dave reichert voted for in 2006:
Military commissions have been conducted since George Washington used them after the end of the Revolutionary War, but this is the first time the United States has used them during an ongoing conflict, said Air Force Brig. Gen. Tom Hartmann, a top tribunal official.
The Supreme Court struck down the commissions as unconstitutional in 2006. Congress then altered and resurrected them,
violated oath to uphold the constitution. shitcan the sheriff!
full story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24980555/
Piper Scott spews:
@1…NaB…
Gen. Tom Hartmann is incorrect. During WW II, military commissions or tribunals were employed to try and sentence to death seven enemy saboteurs.
See Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1 (1942), where SCOTUS issued a per curiam opinion upholding the practice against the seven, one of whom was a U.S. citizen, and denying their petition for a writ of habeas corpus.
BTW…glad am I that you support Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s efforts to claim access to civilian courts. Shall we ask BHO or The Darcy if they also support Ol’ Khalid?
Your knowledge of Constitutional law must come from Bazooka Bubble Gum wrapper comics.
The Piper
ByeByeGOP spews:
Pooper who’s claimed expertise covers everything from law, to medicine, military tactics, politics, morality and religion sure has a bunch of knowledge for a guy who runs a shitty looking web site for people who need a job.
You’d think all this so-called expertise would have propelled Pooper into a more profitable job.
Piper Scott spews:
@3…BBGOP…
Where’s your website so everyone can compare?
You can’t refute what I say, so you just engage in personal attacks – clever.
The Piper
Steve spews:
Piper watches the History Channel and, unlike the leader of the free world, knows how to use the Google on the internets. Then he pretends to be knowledgable about whatever he Googled. He’s so awesome! Well, not really. He’s just a stupid fascist asshole.
Tlazolteotl spews:
I’ve heard of that: University of Google!
Piper Scott spews:
@5…Steve…
Don’t watch the History Channel much – too much fluff.
I first read Ex parte Quirin in 1970.
My favorite SCOTUS case is In re Neagle, 135 U.S. 1 (1890), which deals with a literal Wild West shootout on a train in California. U.S. Marshall Neagle was assigned to bodyguard Justice Stephen Field as he road circuit. Since Justice field had been the target of death threats by one David Terry, an unsuceesful litigant and former Confederate army officer, Marshall Neagle was ever alert.
Terry attempted to assault Justice Field, and was shot dead for his troubles by Marshall Neagle. Since Terry was influential in California in those days, Neagle was arrested on a murder charge.
The federal government filed a writ of habeus corpus on his behalf, and SCOTUS eventually ruled that Marshall Neagle’s actions were completely legal since they were in furtherance of the duty of the Executive Branch to, “take care that the laws be fully executed,” which necessarily implied that the government had the right to appoint body guards to protect federal judges even in absence of a statute specifically authorizing same.
Interestingly, a few years ago, a brace of dueling pistols related to the whole Field/Terry dispute was auctioned off in, I believe, San Francisco. Would have loved to have seen that.
I’ve heard rumors that Marshall Neagle was assigned only because Paladin was otherwise engaged.
The Piper
Steve spews:
Interesting, Piper. To tell the truth, I’m not much of a active history buff. At least, not much further than what I’ve read many, many years ago, and I was mostly interested in NW and Seattle history back then. However, I recently inherited a late friend’s personal library and and now have several hundred history books to read, not to mention all the other subjects he was into. Quite the collection, really. I finally got a bunch of book cases set up so I can more easily assess what I’ve got. If you have any particular title you’ve looked for and haven’t found, then feel free to let me know. I just might have it. I’d be glad to make a gesture of sorts and pass a book or two your way.
My own reading these days is usually about astronomy, astrophysics and related subjects – not too deep, more of a surface knowledge. One hobby is astrophotography and stargazing, and lot of reading is associated with that. My profession is electrical engineering, and there’s a lot of tech reading to keep up with that. After reading that kind of stuff I’m more inclined to read something like Dick and Jane to kick back. But I look at my friend’s books and I know I’ll be into them soon. I might be underestimating the quantity. Heck, there must be over a hundred books on the Presidents alone.
Piper Scott spews:
@8…Steve…
Thank you, but to tell the truth I’ve been shedding volumes myself as I downsize. Parting with books is very painful – it’s like saying goodbye to old and trusted friends.
Whatever books you have on the Civil War you should keep. All of American history pivots around the Civil War. And books that relate the history of leading up to anything – knowing how we got into something is as important as what happened once we got into it.
If you do have excess, try Craig’s List or note particular volumes here. When I tried to dispose of my LPs, Proud Leftist and I did a little business – he now knows where I live.
Happy reading!
The Piper
Steve spews:
Thanks, Piper. I also ended up with several hundred CD’s, about maybe four or five hundred vinyl LP’s and a very impressive audio system. I already had a couple of those. I’d much rather my friend were still around. I miss his friendship dearly. I’ve thought of Craigslist. I’ll be giving my friend’s Mom the cash from anything I manage to sell.
Piper Scott spews:
@10…Steve…
Expect to get on average maybe $1/LP unless it’s really a collectable. Check E-Bay if you think you have one. Condition is king. There are a lot of people out there who swear by vinyl, though I’m not one of them.
I am sorry for your loss.
The Piper
Steve spews:
@11 Thank you very much.
YLB spews:
Just watched Charles Ferguson’s “No End in Sight”, a documentary about the most colossal fuck-up in this country’s history brought about the most cowardly and craven group of clowns that have ever had the unmitigated gall to call themselves Americans.
See it.